1 00:00:06,267 --> 00:00:11,446 [organ playing] 2 00:00:11,489 --> 00:00:13,535 [people crying] 3 00:00:30,334 --> 00:00:32,684 -[gunshot] -[people screaming] 4 00:00:37,341 --> 00:00:38,560 [gunshot] 5 00:00:46,655 --> 00:00:49,136 BULL [echoes]: Ms. Kerrigan? 6 00:00:49,179 --> 00:00:51,660 Ms. Kerrigan, can you hear me? 7 00:00:51,703 --> 00:00:55,359 Ms. Kerrigan, we need you to wake up and focus. 8 00:00:55,403 --> 00:00:57,970 You're gonna have some visitors soon. 9 00:00:58,014 --> 00:00:59,798 We need to talk before that happens. 10 00:01:03,498 --> 00:01:05,108 You tried to kill yourself. 11 00:01:05,152 --> 00:01:06,414 And before that, 12 00:01:06,457 --> 00:01:09,286 you killed a man named Roger Navarre 13 00:01:09,330 --> 00:01:11,723 in front of a lot of people. 14 00:01:11,767 --> 00:01:13,116 Do you remember that? 15 00:01:14,639 --> 00:01:16,772 BENNY:You're in New York Sacred Heart Hospital. 16 00:01:16,815 --> 00:01:20,384 You've also been charged with first-degree murder. 17 00:01:20,428 --> 00:01:21,994 Guards are posted outside the door, 18 00:01:22,038 --> 00:01:24,171 and, well, they're gonna keep you here 19 00:01:24,214 --> 00:01:27,130 until they're reasonably certain that you won't harm yourself, 20 00:01:27,174 --> 00:01:29,001 and then transfer you to a prison. 21 00:01:29,045 --> 00:01:30,960 And who are the two of you? 22 00:01:31,003 --> 00:01:33,049 My name's Dr. Jason Bull, I'm a psychologist. 23 00:01:33,093 --> 00:01:35,660 This is Benjamin Colón, and he is an attorney. 24 00:01:35,704 --> 00:01:38,750 The Women's Coalition of Manhattan asked us 25 00:01:38,794 --> 00:01:40,665 to come and meet you, see if you were interested 26 00:01:40,709 --> 00:01:42,711 in having us represent you. 27 00:01:42,754 --> 00:01:45,017 They have a fund for this kind of thing. 28 00:01:45,061 --> 00:01:47,107 Is that okay with you? 29 00:01:48,151 --> 00:01:49,631 [sighs] 30 00:01:49,674 --> 00:01:52,068 The D.A. and a judge are on their way over. 31 00:01:52,112 --> 00:01:53,461 They're gonna hold an arraignment 32 00:01:53,504 --> 00:01:55,245 here in your hospital room. 33 00:01:55,289 --> 00:01:58,596 I don't know what that is. I don't know what that means. 34 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,164 Well, an arraignment is a kind of court proceeding. 35 00:02:01,208 --> 00:02:03,514 It's where you'll formally be advised 36 00:02:03,558 --> 00:02:04,994 of the charges against you, 37 00:02:05,037 --> 00:02:07,692 which, we mentioned, are first-degree murder. 38 00:02:07,736 --> 00:02:10,042 They'll also ask you to enter a plea. 39 00:02:10,086 --> 00:02:12,393 Well, that's easy. I'm guilty. 40 00:02:12,436 --> 00:02:14,046 We didn't ask if you were guilty, 41 00:02:14,090 --> 00:02:17,049 we asked what your plea would be. 42 00:02:17,093 --> 00:02:20,531 The only answer to that question is: "Not guilty." 43 00:02:20,575 --> 00:02:23,404 Otherwise there is no point in going through this exercise. 44 00:02:23,447 --> 00:02:25,362 Well, that's fine with me. 45 00:02:25,406 --> 00:02:27,538 Let's not go through the exercise. 46 00:02:27,582 --> 00:02:30,367 I did it. Okay? I'm absolutely guilty. 47 00:02:30,411 --> 00:02:33,892 Hang me, give me the electric chair, give me the needle. 48 00:02:33,936 --> 00:02:35,677 Whatever it is that they do, I don't care. 49 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:39,115 I just want them to do it to me. Quickly as possible, please. 50 00:02:43,337 --> 00:02:44,903 Did you know the man? 51 00:02:44,947 --> 00:02:46,166 Of course. 52 00:02:46,209 --> 00:02:47,689 BENNY: Forgive me, 53 00:02:47,732 --> 00:02:49,908 but why did you choose to do it at a funeral? 54 00:02:49,952 --> 00:02:51,388 Did you know the girl? 55 00:02:51,432 --> 00:02:56,001 No, but he did. 56 00:02:56,045 --> 00:02:58,090 Roger Navarre? The hedge fund king? 57 00:02:58,134 --> 00:03:00,005 The philanthropist? The man you killed? 58 00:03:01,572 --> 00:03:04,575 You are aware of how the girl died, aren't you? 59 00:03:04,619 --> 00:03:06,447 That she killed herself? 60 00:03:06,490 --> 00:03:10,059 I'm very aware. And jealous. 61 00:03:11,756 --> 00:03:14,411 Okay. Let's start at the beginning. 62 00:03:14,455 --> 00:03:17,501 How did you and Roger Navarre even meet? 63 00:03:17,545 --> 00:03:19,242 ♪ 64 00:03:19,286 --> 00:03:22,550 When I was 14, my dance school in Ohio had auditions, 65 00:03:22,593 --> 00:03:24,900 and I won a spot at the Manhattan Ballet Academy. 66 00:03:25,944 --> 00:03:27,859 But unfortunately, my family 67 00:03:27,903 --> 00:03:30,427 didn't have the money to send me. 68 00:03:30,471 --> 00:03:32,255 I was about to give up hope of ever going 69 00:03:32,299 --> 00:03:34,344 when Roger Navarre called. 70 00:03:34,388 --> 00:03:37,260 He said he had seen my tape, he'd seen me dance, 71 00:03:37,304 --> 00:03:40,002 and he wanted to bring me to New York. 72 00:03:40,045 --> 00:03:43,962 To pay my tuition and find a place for me to live. 73 00:03:45,312 --> 00:03:47,575 The first year and a half was magical. 74 00:03:47,618 --> 00:03:49,925 I loved New York, I loved the school. 75 00:03:49,968 --> 00:03:51,405 The night before I went back home 76 00:03:51,448 --> 00:03:53,494 for Christmas break, Roger called. 77 00:03:53,537 --> 00:03:55,278 He said he wanted to take me to dinner 78 00:03:55,322 --> 00:03:57,759 and celebrate my success at the institute. 79 00:03:57,802 --> 00:04:00,370 It was an amazing restaurant. 80 00:04:00,414 --> 00:04:03,286 Amazing food, an amazing night. 81 00:04:03,330 --> 00:04:04,592 Oh, boy. 82 00:04:04,635 --> 00:04:06,463 I messed up. I have a holiday party 83 00:04:06,507 --> 00:04:08,204 I'm supposed to have been at a half hour ago. 84 00:04:08,248 --> 00:04:10,641 Wait. You don't mean you have to leave, do you? 85 00:04:10,685 --> 00:04:12,208 Yeah, I kind of do. 86 00:04:12,252 --> 00:04:14,036 It's a Broadway thing. 87 00:04:14,079 --> 00:04:16,517 I invest in a lot of shows. It's important that I say hi. 88 00:04:19,084 --> 00:04:20,390 I'd invite you to come along, but... 89 00:04:20,434 --> 00:04:22,827 Are they proofing people at the door? 90 00:04:22,871 --> 00:04:25,482 You know, I'm not as young as I look. 91 00:04:27,832 --> 00:04:31,662 The closer we got to the party, the more nervous I became. 92 00:04:31,706 --> 00:04:33,316 I started to have this feeling 93 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,492 that maybe I had made the wrong choice. 94 00:04:35,536 --> 00:04:37,320 Maybe he was right, 95 00:04:37,364 --> 00:04:40,018 maybe this wasn't the type of party I should go to. 96 00:04:40,062 --> 00:04:42,151 You all right? You don't have to go. 97 00:04:43,195 --> 00:04:44,588 Oh, I... 98 00:04:44,632 --> 00:04:46,677 No, I-I guess I'm just a little anxious. 99 00:04:46,721 --> 00:04:48,288 ♪ 100 00:04:51,856 --> 00:04:53,728 [laughs softly] 101 00:04:56,034 --> 00:04:58,036 What are you doing? 102 00:04:58,080 --> 00:04:59,429 Why are you taking that? 103 00:04:59,473 --> 00:05:00,865 You're not nervous, are you? 104 00:05:00,909 --> 00:05:02,998 Actually, I am. 105 00:05:03,041 --> 00:05:04,260 I'm with you. 106 00:05:04,304 --> 00:05:05,914 [laughs]: What are you talking about? 107 00:05:05,957 --> 00:05:07,611 You ever looked in the mirror? 108 00:05:15,793 --> 00:05:17,839 ♪ 109 00:05:19,536 --> 00:05:21,495 HOLLY: It was the best night of my life. 110 00:05:21,538 --> 00:05:24,367 The next day, I went back to Ohio for Christmas break, 111 00:05:24,411 --> 00:05:27,065 but all I could think about was New York. 112 00:05:27,109 --> 00:05:29,241 All I could think about was Roger. 113 00:05:29,285 --> 00:05:31,200 I was in love. 114 00:05:31,243 --> 00:05:33,811 BENNY: But the man was twice your age, wasn't he? 115 00:05:34,812 --> 00:05:37,249 Yeah. I guess. 116 00:05:37,293 --> 00:05:39,556 Or I was half of his. 117 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:41,079 I don't know. 118 00:05:41,123 --> 00:05:42,516 That's not what it was about. 119 00:05:42,559 --> 00:05:45,519 So, you went home for Christmas. 120 00:05:45,562 --> 00:05:47,869 We talked every day on the phone. 121 00:05:47,912 --> 00:05:50,219 And the second I got back to New York, 122 00:05:50,262 --> 00:05:53,091 I went straight to his apartment instead of mine. 123 00:05:53,135 --> 00:05:55,485 I stayed there for two days. 124 00:05:55,529 --> 00:05:58,445 Would it be fair to say, at that point, you were a couple? 125 00:05:58,488 --> 00:06:01,361 I certainly thought so. 126 00:06:01,404 --> 00:06:03,275 He would take me to the ballet. 127 00:06:03,319 --> 00:06:06,670 He taught me about wine, bought me beautiful gifts. 128 00:06:06,714 --> 00:06:08,933 He even got me a passport and flew me to Paris. 129 00:06:08,977 --> 00:06:12,720 And that pill you took. Were there more of those? 130 00:06:13,721 --> 00:06:15,940 All the time. 131 00:06:15,984 --> 00:06:17,594 I know it seems like I should have known better, 132 00:06:17,638 --> 00:06:20,423 but he was just so charming, 133 00:06:20,467 --> 00:06:24,209 and I was living the life I always dreamed of living. 134 00:06:24,253 --> 00:06:26,298 ♪ 135 00:06:35,612 --> 00:06:37,005 What's that? 136 00:06:39,442 --> 00:06:41,444 Don't worry about that. 137 00:06:45,056 --> 00:06:47,755 He knew just what to do. 138 00:06:47,798 --> 00:06:48,930 Had it all figured out. 139 00:06:48,973 --> 00:06:50,932 [takes deep breath] 140 00:06:50,975 --> 00:06:54,283 He walked me to my appointment. 141 00:06:54,326 --> 00:06:55,850 Everyone said it would be over pretty quickly 142 00:06:55,893 --> 00:06:57,329 and then it wasn't. 143 00:06:57,373 --> 00:07:00,028 They told me I would have to rest 144 00:07:00,071 --> 00:07:03,858 in bed for three to four weeks, which meant I couldn't dance. 145 00:07:05,033 --> 00:07:07,557 It was the end of the school year, 146 00:07:07,601 --> 00:07:10,038 when they have all the performances, and... 147 00:07:10,081 --> 00:07:11,605 I couldn't dance. 148 00:07:11,648 --> 00:07:14,129 So, of course the school calls 149 00:07:14,172 --> 00:07:18,307 and tells me I'm not invited back next year. 150 00:07:18,350 --> 00:07:20,309 It was heartbreaking. 151 00:07:20,352 --> 00:07:23,399 Everything I had worked for, dreamed for, 152 00:07:23,443 --> 00:07:25,009 all of it was being taken away. 153 00:07:25,053 --> 00:07:26,446 So what'd you do? 154 00:07:26,489 --> 00:07:28,491 I went to Roger for help. 155 00:07:28,535 --> 00:07:30,275 But he said his hands were tied. 156 00:07:30,319 --> 00:07:33,191 The school wasn't his, there wasn't anything he could do. 157 00:07:33,235 --> 00:07:36,194 So I packed my bags, went back to Ohio. 158 00:07:36,238 --> 00:07:38,196 Went back to high school. 159 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,548 I drank a lot, drugged a lot. 160 00:07:41,591 --> 00:07:43,680 Got a job as a hostess in Cincinnati 161 00:07:43,724 --> 00:07:45,769 and I never heard from him again. 162 00:07:45,813 --> 00:07:47,902 But here you are, back in New York. 163 00:07:47,945 --> 00:07:51,601 But here I am... back in New York. 164 00:07:53,124 --> 00:07:56,693 About a year ago I started having pain... 165 00:07:56,737 --> 00:07:59,130 down there. 166 00:07:59,174 --> 00:08:01,916 Turns out it was a complication from the procedure, um, 167 00:08:01,959 --> 00:08:03,352 scar tissue. 168 00:08:03,395 --> 00:08:05,441 Something called Asherman's syndrome. 169 00:08:05,485 --> 00:08:07,617 It's very expensive to fix. 170 00:08:07,661 --> 00:08:11,012 So I called the doctor; he told me to come back to New York, 171 00:08:11,055 --> 00:08:13,536 let him have a look at it, see if he could correct it. 172 00:08:13,580 --> 00:08:18,498 I got on a bus, stayed at a hotel. 173 00:08:18,541 --> 00:08:20,151 And the morning of my doctor's appointment, 174 00:08:20,195 --> 00:08:21,805 I go to the office. 175 00:08:21,849 --> 00:08:24,460 And I'm about to give the receptionist my name 176 00:08:24,504 --> 00:08:26,331 when I see something. 177 00:08:28,377 --> 00:08:30,901 Behind her, I suddenly realized 178 00:08:30,945 --> 00:08:35,210 that I can see into this private office space. 179 00:08:35,253 --> 00:08:38,474 And at first I think I'm seeing things. 180 00:08:38,518 --> 00:08:43,435 Beyond her through the open door, there's Roger. 181 00:08:43,479 --> 00:08:46,438 Just sitting there, looking like a nervous puppy 182 00:08:46,482 --> 00:08:48,092 and I'm thinking to myself, 183 00:08:48,136 --> 00:08:51,574 what's he doing at a women's health practice? 184 00:08:51,618 --> 00:08:54,359 And after my appointment, I waited across the street 185 00:08:54,403 --> 00:08:56,579 for him to leave so I could get a better look 186 00:08:56,623 --> 00:08:58,668 and I saw he was with her. 187 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:01,584 I'm sorry. He was with who? 188 00:09:01,628 --> 00:09:05,066 Emily. The girl who killed herself. 189 00:09:05,109 --> 00:09:07,285 Ah. 190 00:09:07,329 --> 00:09:11,463 So were you jealous? Is that what this was all about? 191 00:09:11,507 --> 00:09:13,770 No, I was enraged. 192 00:09:13,814 --> 00:09:15,772 I knew exactly why he brought her there. 193 00:09:15,816 --> 00:09:17,992 I could see the shame written all over her face. 194 00:09:18,035 --> 00:09:19,863 It was history repeating itself. 195 00:09:19,907 --> 00:09:23,606 I realized we were in a cycle. 196 00:09:23,650 --> 00:09:25,608 He used us both, he was done with us both, 197 00:09:25,652 --> 00:09:27,958 and this is how he cleaned up his mess. 198 00:09:28,002 --> 00:09:29,960 So, on the bus back to Ohio, 199 00:09:30,004 --> 00:09:32,049 I did something I hadn't done in four years. 200 00:09:32,093 --> 00:09:34,617 I looked him up online. 201 00:09:34,661 --> 00:09:36,576 I never wanted to know if he had replaced me 202 00:09:36,619 --> 00:09:38,665 with someone else, but... 203 00:09:38,708 --> 00:09:40,841 suddenly I was obsessed. 204 00:09:40,884 --> 00:09:44,453 And it turns out I was only one girl. 205 00:09:44,496 --> 00:09:46,629 It was at least four other girls, 206 00:09:46,673 --> 00:09:49,850 all the same pattern, all with him for six months to a year. 207 00:09:50,894 --> 00:09:53,505 And then the girls, the ones he would sponsor, 208 00:09:53,549 --> 00:09:56,987 would suddenly drop out of school, 209 00:09:57,031 --> 00:09:59,555 never to be heard of again, just... 210 00:09:59,599 --> 00:10:02,645 another girl who tried to make it in New York and couldn't. 211 00:10:02,689 --> 00:10:06,649 Another sweet young thing who hit her "sell by" date. 212 00:10:06,693 --> 00:10:09,913 Then I, um, read that 213 00:10:09,957 --> 00:10:11,567 Emily killed herself. 214 00:10:11,611 --> 00:10:13,961 And I knew he would go to the funeral. 215 00:10:16,006 --> 00:10:17,747 [knocking on door] 216 00:10:17,791 --> 00:10:19,183 MAN: It's the district attorney and Judge Hopkins. 217 00:10:19,227 --> 00:10:21,142 May we come in? 218 00:10:21,185 --> 00:10:23,057 So, here we go, Holly. 219 00:10:23,100 --> 00:10:25,625 When they ask the question, you know what you have to answer. 220 00:10:25,668 --> 00:10:28,018 I'm guilty as hell. 221 00:10:30,107 --> 00:10:31,631 And proud of it. 222 00:10:35,678 --> 00:10:37,680 ♪ 223 00:10:44,034 --> 00:10:45,383 MARISSA: This is Rachel Carter. 224 00:10:45,427 --> 00:10:46,907 She is two years older than Holly, 225 00:10:46,950 --> 00:10:49,039 but she pretty much had the same experience. 226 00:10:49,083 --> 00:10:50,911 Here on scholarships 227 00:10:50,954 --> 00:10:52,390 sponsored by Navarre. 228 00:10:52,434 --> 00:10:54,741 Began a consensual affair, though it was 229 00:10:54,784 --> 00:10:56,960 technically illegal in the eyes of the law 230 00:10:57,004 --> 00:10:58,483 because she was just 16. 231 00:10:58,527 --> 00:11:00,747 He get her pregnant?MARISSA: Certainly did. 232 00:11:00,790 --> 00:11:03,706 Rachel explained he wasn't a fan of protection, 233 00:11:03,750 --> 00:11:05,708 and he was adamant that the pill was poison. 234 00:11:05,752 --> 00:11:07,710 TAYLOR: How incredibly selfless of him. 235 00:11:07,754 --> 00:11:08,929 What a guy. 236 00:11:08,972 --> 00:11:10,365 Is she willing to talk to us? 237 00:11:10,408 --> 00:11:11,540 And does she know any other girls 238 00:11:11,583 --> 00:11:12,715 he was involved with? 239 00:11:12,759 --> 00:11:14,761 Yes and yes. 240 00:11:19,417 --> 00:11:21,289 BENNY: Marissa said you wanted to see us? 241 00:11:21,332 --> 00:11:22,769 Yeah. Hey, guys. 242 00:11:22,812 --> 00:11:24,553 I think I may have come up with a defense. 243 00:11:24,596 --> 00:11:25,859 Hmm. 244 00:11:25,902 --> 00:11:27,904 Defense of others. 245 00:11:27,948 --> 00:11:30,298 Oh. 246 00:11:30,341 --> 00:11:32,213 Okay. 247 00:11:32,256 --> 00:11:35,825 I can't, for the life of me, see how that applies here. 248 00:11:35,869 --> 00:11:37,653 Uh, I second that. 249 00:11:37,697 --> 00:11:39,002 Well, there were other girls. 250 00:11:39,046 --> 00:11:40,395 We march them through the courtroom 251 00:11:40,438 --> 00:11:41,788 and we let them tell their stories. 252 00:11:41,831 --> 00:11:44,616 She did it for all of them. 253 00:11:44,660 --> 00:11:45,922 In defense of others. 254 00:11:45,966 --> 00:11:47,402 Oh, come on, Bull. You know that's not 255 00:11:47,445 --> 00:11:48,925 what defense of others means. 256 00:11:48,969 --> 00:11:51,058 We have no one to defend here. 257 00:11:51,101 --> 00:11:53,234 And that other victim was dead, lying in a coffin. 258 00:11:53,277 --> 00:11:55,410 Yeah, and the other girls that you're speaking about, 259 00:11:55,453 --> 00:11:57,717 they were presumably no longer involved with him. 260 00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:59,849 There was no need to defend them. 261 00:11:59,893 --> 00:12:02,504 Ha. You call yourselves lawyers. 262 00:12:02,547 --> 00:12:05,028 The reason there are judges, the reason there are courts, 263 00:12:05,072 --> 00:12:07,422 is because the law, to be effective, 264 00:12:07,465 --> 00:12:09,250 must be a living thing. 265 00:12:09,293 --> 00:12:11,208 Each case is its own creature. 266 00:12:11,252 --> 00:12:12,819 And that is why 267 00:12:12,862 --> 00:12:14,559 it has to be interpreted, 268 00:12:14,603 --> 00:12:16,779 not simply referenced and then applied. 269 00:12:16,823 --> 00:12:18,781 Now, I want to file a motion in limine 270 00:12:18,825 --> 00:12:20,130 and ask that judge for permission 271 00:12:20,174 --> 00:12:22,959 to put those other girls on the stand. 272 00:12:23,003 --> 00:12:28,312 Your Honor, in the matter of The People v. Holly Kerrigan, 273 00:12:28,356 --> 00:12:32,795 we contend that Holly Kerrigan killed Roger Navarre 274 00:12:32,839 --> 00:12:34,492 to prevent greater harm. 275 00:12:34,536 --> 00:12:36,886 We believe, in fact, that she was acting 276 00:12:36,930 --> 00:12:38,192 in defense of others. 277 00:12:38,235 --> 00:12:39,454 Now, 278 00:12:39,497 --> 00:12:41,195 in order for us to support this claim, 279 00:12:41,238 --> 00:12:43,371 we are asking for the court's permission to call 280 00:12:43,414 --> 00:12:46,809 several of Roger Navarre's scholarship students. 281 00:12:46,853 --> 00:12:49,420 Now, they will testify that the late Mr. Navarre 282 00:12:49,464 --> 00:12:52,815 was involved in a systematic pattern of seducing 283 00:12:52,859 --> 00:12:57,559 and in many cases impregnating young women he sponsored 284 00:12:57,602 --> 00:13:01,302 at a variety of art institutions here in New York. 285 00:13:01,345 --> 00:13:03,739 15-year-olds, 16-year-olds 286 00:13:03,783 --> 00:13:06,350 upending their lives and destroying their futures. 287 00:13:06,394 --> 00:13:08,091 Doing irreparable harm 288 00:13:08,135 --> 00:13:10,746 to their physical and mental health. 289 00:13:10,790 --> 00:13:12,487 JUDGE: A.D.A. Conway, 290 00:13:12,530 --> 00:13:13,488 your thoughts? 291 00:13:13,531 --> 00:13:15,011 Your Honor. 292 00:13:15,055 --> 00:13:16,970 The People don't dispute the fact 293 00:13:17,013 --> 00:13:19,842 that Roger Navarre may have been a predator. 294 00:13:19,886 --> 00:13:22,149 But that alone does not give Ms. Kerrigan license 295 00:13:22,192 --> 00:13:25,369 to gun him down in a church full of mourners. 296 00:13:25,413 --> 00:13:26,849 These women's experiences 297 00:13:26,893 --> 00:13:29,025 are irrelevant to the crime 298 00:13:29,069 --> 00:13:30,548 Ms. Kerrigan is accused of. 299 00:13:30,592 --> 00:13:32,376 In fact, we strongly doubt that Ms. Kerrigan 300 00:13:32,420 --> 00:13:33,856 has ever even met these women before. 301 00:13:33,900 --> 00:13:38,165 And that is why the People strongly urge the court 302 00:13:38,208 --> 00:13:40,384 to deny the defendant's motion. 303 00:13:40,428 --> 00:13:43,692 Before I make my ruling, I'd like to hear 304 00:13:43,735 --> 00:13:45,520 from at least one of these women. 305 00:13:45,563 --> 00:13:47,783 BENNY: Would you please tell the court 306 00:13:47,827 --> 00:13:48,871 your name? 307 00:13:48,915 --> 00:13:50,699 My name is Rachel Carter. 308 00:13:50,742 --> 00:13:53,745 And what is your connection to Roger Navarre? 309 00:13:53,789 --> 00:13:58,533 Well, I had a number of connections to Mr. Navarre. 310 00:13:58,576 --> 00:14:00,535 I first met him when I applied 311 00:14:00,578 --> 00:14:02,885 to the Manhattan Institute of Ballet. 312 00:14:02,929 --> 00:14:05,018 He saw a tape of my audition, 313 00:14:05,061 --> 00:14:07,672 heard I'd been accepted, and then reached out to me 314 00:14:07,716 --> 00:14:09,892 and offered to help with expenses. 315 00:14:09,936 --> 00:14:12,808 I was very grateful. 316 00:14:12,852 --> 00:14:15,028 And then, over time, 317 00:14:15,071 --> 00:14:18,248 the relationship became more personal. 318 00:14:18,292 --> 00:14:20,250 Romantic? 319 00:14:20,294 --> 00:14:22,557 I believed so at the time. 320 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:24,951 Looking back, from Roger's point of view, 321 00:14:24,994 --> 00:14:28,563 I'm sure it was fundamentally sexual. 322 00:14:28,606 --> 00:14:30,260 Now, let's start from the beginning. 323 00:14:30,304 --> 00:14:34,569 When Roger Navarre first reached out, you were how old? 324 00:14:34,612 --> 00:14:36,614 I was 14 years old. 325 00:14:36,658 --> 00:14:38,486 Okay, and then you moved to New York, 326 00:14:38,529 --> 00:14:41,663 and about how long before the nature 327 00:14:41,706 --> 00:14:43,360 of the relationship changed? 328 00:14:43,404 --> 00:14:46,407 About a year and a half. [laughs softly] 329 00:14:46,450 --> 00:14:49,497 He called me one night, asked if I'd ever been to an opera. 330 00:14:49,540 --> 00:14:51,325 I, of course, had not. 331 00:14:51,368 --> 00:14:54,067 Not many operas pass through Chaney, Texas, where I'm from. 332 00:14:54,110 --> 00:14:57,200 And opera tickets here in New York are very pricey. 333 00:14:57,244 --> 00:14:59,507 And you went to Lincoln Center and saw what? 334 00:14:59,550 --> 00:15:04,555 Flew on his private jet to San Francisco to see La bohème. 335 00:15:04,599 --> 00:15:06,340 Wow. 336 00:15:06,383 --> 00:15:09,082 So, did the relationship change that night? 337 00:15:09,125 --> 00:15:12,085 I wanted it to. 338 00:15:12,128 --> 00:15:16,567 I was so consumed by all of it. By him. 339 00:15:16,611 --> 00:15:19,005 But no. He really took 340 00:15:19,048 --> 00:15:22,008 his time. Really won my trust. 341 00:15:22,051 --> 00:15:25,707 I think he wanted me to believe it was all my idea. 342 00:15:26,664 --> 00:15:30,755 I had never been with anyone at that point in my life. 343 00:15:30,799 --> 00:15:33,367 Anyway, it was about two months later. 344 00:15:33,410 --> 00:15:34,846 We were on a boat, 345 00:15:34,890 --> 00:15:38,111 a sailboat that belonged to a friend of his, 346 00:15:38,154 --> 00:15:40,287 out in the middle of the ocean. 347 00:15:40,330 --> 00:15:43,116 I had never done anything like that. 348 00:15:43,159 --> 00:15:45,640 Everywhere you looked, you only saw water. 349 00:15:45,683 --> 00:15:47,642 No land. 350 00:15:47,685 --> 00:15:50,732 I found it very freeing. 351 00:15:50,775 --> 00:15:53,082 I'll let you figure out the rest. 352 00:15:53,126 --> 00:15:54,997 And was there alcohol involved? 353 00:15:55,041 --> 00:15:55,867 Yes. 354 00:15:55,911 --> 00:15:57,913 And drugs?Yes. 355 00:15:57,957 --> 00:15:59,306 And you were how old at this point? 356 00:15:59,349 --> 00:16:01,264 16.And when 357 00:16:01,308 --> 00:16:03,788 the two of you had sex, did he use protection? 358 00:16:03,832 --> 00:16:05,181 He didn't like that. 359 00:16:05,225 --> 00:16:07,096 BENNY: So, what happened? 360 00:16:07,140 --> 00:16:08,793 How did it end? 361 00:16:09,794 --> 00:16:11,405 [sighs] 362 00:16:11,448 --> 00:16:14,321 Little less than a year later, I got pregnant. 363 00:16:14,364 --> 00:16:17,019 He said he'd take care of the whole thing, 364 00:16:17,063 --> 00:16:19,065 be with me the whole time. 365 00:16:19,108 --> 00:16:20,892 Truth is... 366 00:16:20,936 --> 00:16:22,720 Truth was 367 00:16:22,764 --> 00:16:24,896 I didn't want it to be taken care of. 368 00:16:24,940 --> 00:16:28,030 I had this crazy teenaged idea 369 00:16:28,074 --> 00:16:30,511 that we'd get married and travel the world. 370 00:16:30,554 --> 00:16:33,035 Just keep doing what we were doing, 371 00:16:33,079 --> 00:16:36,256 except I wouldn't be in school, and we'd have this baby. 372 00:16:36,299 --> 00:16:38,562 Made perfect sense to me. 373 00:16:38,606 --> 00:16:40,347 Really freaked him out. 374 00:16:40,390 --> 00:16:42,131 He said no. 375 00:16:42,175 --> 00:16:44,003 It had to be taken care of. 376 00:16:44,046 --> 00:16:47,267 Two weeks later, I... 377 00:16:47,310 --> 00:16:48,964 get a letter 378 00:16:49,008 --> 00:16:52,533 explaining that his "assistance" had run its course. 379 00:16:52,576 --> 00:16:55,579 That I was free to apply to other benefactors 380 00:16:55,623 --> 00:16:57,320 should I so choose 381 00:16:57,364 --> 00:17:00,019 but that his assistance was no longer available to me. 382 00:17:00,062 --> 00:17:01,585 So what did you do? 383 00:17:01,629 --> 00:17:04,632 I withdrew from school. Got a place of my own. 384 00:17:04,675 --> 00:17:06,155 Got a job dancing. 385 00:17:06,199 --> 00:17:07,809 Dancing? 386 00:17:07,852 --> 00:17:11,204 I lied about my age, got a job dancing. 387 00:17:11,247 --> 00:17:13,815 Topless. Then nude. 388 00:17:13,858 --> 00:17:16,600 Now I do photography and modeling. 389 00:17:16,644 --> 00:17:18,863 Adult modeling. 390 00:17:18,907 --> 00:17:21,083 BENNY: I see. Thank you. 391 00:17:21,127 --> 00:17:22,780 No further questions, Your Honor. 392 00:17:22,824 --> 00:17:25,131 Here comes the moment of truth. 393 00:17:25,174 --> 00:17:26,567 Thank you, Ms. Carter, 394 00:17:26,610 --> 00:17:29,135 for telling the court your story. 395 00:17:31,093 --> 00:17:32,573 Your Honor, 396 00:17:32,616 --> 00:17:36,403 we're all sorry for what happened to Ms. Carter. 397 00:17:36,446 --> 00:17:39,058 And I understand that the defense 398 00:17:39,101 --> 00:17:40,755 has lined up additional witnesses 399 00:17:40,798 --> 00:17:42,626 with similar accounts. 400 00:17:42,670 --> 00:17:46,369 But the fact remains that none of this is relevant. 401 00:17:46,413 --> 00:17:48,241 Moreover, its probative value 402 00:17:48,284 --> 00:17:50,112 is far outweighed by the prejudicial effect 403 00:17:50,156 --> 00:17:51,940 it would have on the jury. 404 00:17:51,983 --> 00:17:53,376 This kind of evidence, 405 00:17:53,420 --> 00:17:55,639 these kinds of witnesses need to be excluded. 406 00:17:55,683 --> 00:17:57,467 Your Honor, with all due respect... 407 00:17:57,511 --> 00:17:58,642 JUDGE: While I am not 408 00:17:58,686 --> 00:18:01,254 unsympathetic to the facts, 409 00:18:01,297 --> 00:18:04,126 I have to make my ruling based on the law. 410 00:18:04,170 --> 00:18:07,086 And the law agrees with A.D.A. Conway. 411 00:18:07,129 --> 00:18:09,610 We're not here to judge whether 412 00:18:09,653 --> 00:18:12,134 the late Mr. Navarre was an honorable man 413 00:18:12,178 --> 00:18:13,962 or not. We are here 414 00:18:14,005 --> 00:18:17,879 to decide whether Ms. Kerrigan acted in defense of others. 415 00:18:17,922 --> 00:18:20,142 And there is nothing in the testimony that I heard 416 00:18:20,186 --> 00:18:21,839 that suggests that is the case. 417 00:18:21,883 --> 00:18:25,321 And for that reason, your motion in limine is denied. 418 00:18:38,421 --> 00:18:40,423 [Benny sighs] 419 00:18:42,382 --> 00:18:44,645 [sighs] 420 00:18:44,688 --> 00:18:46,647 It's not really all that bad. 421 00:18:46,690 --> 00:18:47,778 Yeah, it is. 422 00:18:47,822 --> 00:18:50,041 Yeah, it is.Okay. 423 00:18:50,085 --> 00:18:51,652 I asked 424 00:18:51,695 --> 00:18:53,001 Marissa to reach out to all the women 425 00:18:53,044 --> 00:18:54,655 who were involved with Roger Navarre, 426 00:18:54,698 --> 00:18:57,048 see if they would be available to sit in court 427 00:18:57,092 --> 00:18:58,833 once the trial begins. 428 00:18:58,876 --> 00:19:00,878 But it's COVID. No public allowed.Yes. 429 00:19:00,922 --> 00:19:03,054 I know. And I am gonna go to the judge, 430 00:19:03,098 --> 00:19:04,534 and I'm gonna make a special plea. 431 00:19:04,578 --> 00:19:06,884 Since these women were not allowed to testify, 432 00:19:06,928 --> 00:19:09,235 they should at least be allowed to witness the trial. 433 00:19:09,278 --> 00:19:10,845 The trial of a woman who suffered 434 00:19:10,888 --> 00:19:12,716 at the hands of the same man they did. 435 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,242 And I will argue it will help their mental well-being. 436 00:19:16,285 --> 00:19:18,592 That's awfully nice of you. 437 00:19:18,635 --> 00:19:21,247 Going to bat with the judge to make that happen. 438 00:19:21,290 --> 00:19:22,726 There's nothing nice about it. 439 00:19:22,770 --> 00:19:24,598 I want them sitting in that gallery. 440 00:19:24,641 --> 00:19:26,382 I want the jury wondering about them. 441 00:19:26,426 --> 00:19:27,992 And I want you to find a moment 442 00:19:28,036 --> 00:19:30,038 to point them out, to indicate 443 00:19:30,081 --> 00:19:34,347 that they went through the same version of hell 444 00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:36,175 that Holly went through. 445 00:19:36,218 --> 00:19:38,699 Agent Sturgeon, when did Ms. Kerrigan 446 00:19:38,742 --> 00:19:41,005 come to the FBI offices to meet with you? 447 00:19:41,049 --> 00:19:42,920 Holly Kerrigan first came to meet me 448 00:19:42,964 --> 00:19:44,705 a little over a year ago. 449 00:19:44,748 --> 00:19:46,489 And what was the purpose of that visit? 450 00:19:46,533 --> 00:19:48,012 She alleged that Roger Navarre 451 00:19:48,056 --> 00:19:49,971 had committed statutory rape on her person 452 00:19:50,014 --> 00:19:52,495 and, additionally, had provided illegal substances 453 00:19:52,539 --> 00:19:53,975 to a minor-- her-- 454 00:19:54,018 --> 00:19:55,498 over a period 455 00:19:55,542 --> 00:19:57,152 of about 18 months. 456 00:19:57,196 --> 00:19:59,110 CONWAY: And what did you do with that information? 457 00:19:59,154 --> 00:20:00,590 STURGEON: Well, I opened 458 00:20:00,634 --> 00:20:02,592 a case file, started looking into Mr. Navarre. 459 00:20:02,636 --> 00:20:04,725 Tried to determine if there was any truth 460 00:20:04,768 --> 00:20:06,509 to what Ms. Kerrigan alleged. 461 00:20:06,553 --> 00:20:08,337 And opening up a case file, 462 00:20:08,381 --> 00:20:11,906 looking into someone like Roger Navarre, 463 00:20:11,949 --> 00:20:14,561 can you tell us what that entails? 464 00:20:14,604 --> 00:20:16,040 Let me be clear. 465 00:20:16,084 --> 00:20:18,608 We didn't take these allegations lightly. 466 00:20:18,652 --> 00:20:21,437 But investigations like this 467 00:20:21,481 --> 00:20:24,701 can go on for months, sometimes years. 468 00:20:24,745 --> 00:20:27,356 You have to make sure you have all of your ducks in a row 469 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,315 before you start indicting people, 470 00:20:29,358 --> 00:20:31,447 particularly people as well-connected 471 00:20:31,491 --> 00:20:32,883 as Roger Navarre. 472 00:20:32,927 --> 00:20:34,668 CONWAY: And did the defendant 473 00:20:34,711 --> 00:20:36,974 continue to communicate with you? 474 00:20:37,018 --> 00:20:39,281 Yes, we spoke on a number of occasions. 475 00:20:39,325 --> 00:20:41,109 She would call and email 476 00:20:41,152 --> 00:20:42,806 from Ohio. 477 00:20:42,850 --> 00:20:45,983 And what was the purpose of these calls and emails? 478 00:20:46,027 --> 00:20:48,464 Did she have additional information to offer 479 00:20:48,508 --> 00:20:50,597 about Roger Navarre? 480 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,338 It's-it's my understanding that, 481 00:20:52,381 --> 00:20:54,601 at that point, they were no longer communicating. 482 00:20:54,644 --> 00:20:56,777 Not for years. 483 00:20:56,820 --> 00:20:58,822 No, the purpose of these calls and emails 484 00:20:58,866 --> 00:21:00,737 was primarily to express her impatience 485 00:21:00,781 --> 00:21:02,173 with the investigation. 486 00:21:02,217 --> 00:21:04,915 Her frustration with the process. 487 00:21:04,959 --> 00:21:08,223 And, I suppose, her frustration with me. 488 00:21:08,267 --> 00:21:11,270 So were you surprised 489 00:21:11,313 --> 00:21:13,576 when she took matters into her own hands? 490 00:21:13,620 --> 00:21:14,882 No. 491 00:21:14,925 --> 00:21:16,100 Not entirely. 492 00:21:16,144 --> 00:21:17,537 Thank you, Agent Sturgeon. 493 00:21:17,580 --> 00:21:19,234 No further questions. 494 00:21:20,366 --> 00:21:22,368 [Bull clears throat] 495 00:21:27,198 --> 00:21:29,026 BENNY:Good morning, Agent Sturgeon. 496 00:21:29,070 --> 00:21:30,201 Good morning. 497 00:21:30,245 --> 00:21:32,073 Now, point in fact, 498 00:21:32,116 --> 00:21:34,641 my client Holly Kerrigan wasn't the only person 499 00:21:34,684 --> 00:21:37,513 that came to see you about Roger Navarre, was she? 500 00:21:37,557 --> 00:21:39,167 I believe it's time for an objection. 501 00:21:39,210 --> 00:21:40,690 CONWAY: Objection, Your Honor! 502 00:21:40,734 --> 00:21:42,083 Relevance? 503 00:21:42,126 --> 00:21:43,476 BENNY: Your Honor, 504 00:21:43,519 --> 00:21:45,216 it's the A.D.A. who called the witness 505 00:21:45,260 --> 00:21:47,349 and opened the door to the fact that the FBI 506 00:21:47,393 --> 00:21:50,483 opened up an investigation on Roger Navarre. 507 00:21:50,526 --> 00:21:52,006 Objection overruled. 508 00:21:53,050 --> 00:21:55,357 The witness will answer the question. 509 00:21:55,401 --> 00:21:57,316 I'm sorry, what was the question? 510 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,230 Well, let me refresh your memory. 511 00:21:59,274 --> 00:22:01,798 I was asking if my client, Holly Kerrigan, 512 00:22:01,842 --> 00:22:04,366 was the only person who came to the Bureau 513 00:22:04,410 --> 00:22:05,846 about Roger Navarre? 514 00:22:06,847 --> 00:22:08,239 No, she was not. 515 00:22:08,283 --> 00:22:10,851 BENNY: No, in fact, a number of other women 516 00:22:10,894 --> 00:22:13,332 came to see you personally to file 517 00:22:13,375 --> 00:22:15,377 similar complaints against Mr. Navarre. 518 00:22:15,421 --> 00:22:17,161 Isn't that correct? 519 00:22:17,205 --> 00:22:18,946 Yes, that's correct. 520 00:22:18,989 --> 00:22:21,296 And I know they are wearing masks, 521 00:22:21,340 --> 00:22:23,690 but perhaps you can point out, uh, 522 00:22:23,733 --> 00:22:26,127 the ones that you have spoken to in the past? 523 00:22:26,170 --> 00:22:28,085 CONWAY: Again, Your Honor, what is the relevance 524 00:22:28,129 --> 00:22:29,565 of this line of questioning? 525 00:22:29,609 --> 00:22:31,393 It sounds to me like the defense is intentionally 526 00:22:31,437 --> 00:22:33,134 making a mockery of your earlier order 527 00:22:33,177 --> 00:22:35,223 not to hear testimony from anyone who may have been 528 00:22:35,266 --> 00:22:37,138 involved with the late Mr. Navarre. 529 00:22:37,181 --> 00:22:38,835 My goodness, A.D.A. Conway 530 00:22:38,879 --> 00:22:40,271 has quite a temper. 531 00:22:40,315 --> 00:22:42,273 Objection sustained. 532 00:22:42,317 --> 00:22:45,364 The jury will disregard any remarks regarding the women 533 00:22:45,407 --> 00:22:46,756 seated in the gallery. 534 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,889 And I'm putting the defense on notice. 535 00:22:48,932 --> 00:22:50,804 Any further shenanigans of this type, 536 00:22:50,847 --> 00:22:52,371 and I will rescind 537 00:22:52,414 --> 00:22:54,373 my invitation to these observers. 538 00:22:54,416 --> 00:22:55,939 Am I clear? 539 00:22:55,983 --> 00:22:57,941 Very clear, Your Honor. 540 00:22:57,985 --> 00:23:00,117 Any more questions for the witness? 541 00:23:00,161 --> 00:23:02,163 No, Your Honor. 542 00:23:02,206 --> 00:23:05,253 I believe we covered it all. 543 00:23:05,296 --> 00:23:07,298 Yes, I believe we have. 544 00:23:12,042 --> 00:23:14,088 She's all dressed. 545 00:23:20,486 --> 00:23:22,313 Holly, I meant to ask you this morning, 546 00:23:22,357 --> 00:23:24,446 how was your first night in prison? 547 00:23:24,490 --> 00:23:26,187 It was fine. 548 00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:28,842 They had me all by myself and there's cameras. 549 00:23:28,885 --> 00:23:31,105 Nobody wants me to kill myself when they're not looking. 550 00:23:33,716 --> 00:23:36,676 Holly, there's something I want you to think about tonight. 551 00:23:38,373 --> 00:23:39,766 You're very good at telling people that, 552 00:23:39,809 --> 00:23:41,245 without Roger Navarre, 553 00:23:41,289 --> 00:23:43,073 you never would have come to New York City, 554 00:23:43,117 --> 00:23:44,640 you never would have learned to dance. 555 00:23:45,685 --> 00:23:47,774 But did it ever occur to you that, without Roger Navarre... 556 00:23:48,818 --> 00:23:50,820 ...you never would have picked up a gun? 557 00:23:50,864 --> 00:23:52,518 You never would have shot someone. 558 00:23:52,561 --> 00:23:55,477 You never would have spent a single night in prison. 559 00:23:55,521 --> 00:23:58,915 If Roger Navarre had not come 560 00:23:58,959 --> 00:24:02,484 into your life, if he had not done the things that he did, 561 00:24:02,528 --> 00:24:05,139 your life would be very different. 562 00:24:05,182 --> 00:24:08,490 And don't you think that's a point worth making to this jury? 563 00:24:08,534 --> 00:24:10,492 Don't you think your own life is worth fighting for? 564 00:24:10,536 --> 00:24:11,493 [knocking] 565 00:24:11,537 --> 00:24:13,321 GUARD: Prison van's here. 566 00:24:14,583 --> 00:24:15,628 I'll see you in the morning. 567 00:24:15,671 --> 00:24:17,630 See you in the morning, Holly. 568 00:24:25,072 --> 00:24:26,160 [exhales] 569 00:24:26,203 --> 00:24:27,640 [phone ringing and buzzing] 570 00:24:27,683 --> 00:24:29,903 [clicks tongue] Ah. 571 00:24:29,946 --> 00:24:31,382 It's my favorite fiancée. 572 00:24:31,426 --> 00:24:32,862 Hello, my dear. 573 00:24:32,906 --> 00:24:35,082 I'm on my way home. Your brother says hi. 574 00:24:35,125 --> 00:24:37,650 What do you mean, your "favorite" fiancée? 575 00:24:37,693 --> 00:24:38,999 You win. 576 00:24:39,042 --> 00:24:40,653 You're not my favorite. 577 00:24:40,696 --> 00:24:42,829 Now I feel bad. You sound like you're in a good mood. 578 00:24:42,872 --> 00:24:44,265 Why? What's going on? 579 00:24:44,308 --> 00:24:47,094 I take it that you haven't seen the news? 580 00:24:47,137 --> 00:24:49,923 I DVR'd something I thought you'd want to know about. 581 00:24:49,966 --> 00:24:52,186 And in legal news, turns out 582 00:24:52,229 --> 00:24:54,275 that Holly Kerrigan, the young woman who shot 583 00:24:54,318 --> 00:24:58,018 and killed billionaire hedge fund manager Roger Navarre 584 00:24:58,061 --> 00:24:59,454 in front of 30-odd witnesses 585 00:24:59,498 --> 00:25:01,630 at the funeral of a friend, 586 00:25:01,674 --> 00:25:04,198 has a complicated mental health history. 587 00:25:04,241 --> 00:25:07,636 Investigators for the Manhattan Daily Journaldiscovered 588 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,987 that she spent time in no less than three Ohio mental health 589 00:25:11,031 --> 00:25:13,337 and drug rehabilitation facilities 590 00:25:13,381 --> 00:25:15,557 prior to her 20th birthday. 591 00:25:15,601 --> 00:25:17,516 Did you get all that? 592 00:25:17,559 --> 00:25:19,866 Yeah. We got it. 593 00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:21,694 All right, I'll see you in a little bit? 594 00:25:21,737 --> 00:25:23,826 See you in a bit. [exhales] 595 00:25:24,784 --> 00:25:26,263 Well... 596 00:25:26,307 --> 00:25:27,787 they didn't waste any time. 597 00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:29,789 You think the D.A.'s office put that out there? 598 00:25:29,832 --> 00:25:31,921 Please, it's right from the playbook. 599 00:25:31,965 --> 00:25:34,010 The second we get a little traction 600 00:25:34,054 --> 00:25:37,536 by having those five previous victims in the courtroom... 601 00:25:39,059 --> 00:25:40,060 [sighs] 602 00:25:46,196 --> 00:25:48,155 Okay. I think, at this point, it's safe to assume 603 00:25:48,198 --> 00:25:50,461 the jury knows that you have spent some time in rehab, 604 00:25:50,505 --> 00:25:52,681 as well as some other institutions, 605 00:25:52,725 --> 00:25:54,509 because of your mental health issues. 606 00:25:54,553 --> 00:25:57,251 The depression and the suicidal thoughts. 607 00:25:57,294 --> 00:25:58,600 Okay. 608 00:25:58,644 --> 00:26:00,689 But isn't that just more evidence, 609 00:26:00,733 --> 00:26:03,300 more proof that what happened to me actually happened to me? 610 00:26:03,344 --> 00:26:05,302 Okay, I promise you, I never would have needed to go 611 00:26:05,346 --> 00:26:07,478 to those places if I hadn't met Roger Navarre. 612 00:26:07,522 --> 00:26:09,045 BENNY: Sadly, almost certainly, 613 00:26:09,089 --> 00:26:11,482 the jury isn't gonna look at it that way. 614 00:26:11,526 --> 00:26:13,789 That's why I want to discuss a different strategy with you. 615 00:26:13,833 --> 00:26:14,834 [inhales] 616 00:26:15,835 --> 00:26:17,750 We would like you to consider 617 00:26:17,793 --> 00:26:20,317 allowing us to pursue an insanity defense. 618 00:26:21,580 --> 00:26:23,364 But I'm not insane. 619 00:26:23,407 --> 00:26:26,672 Okay, killing Roger wasn't just some crazy, impetuous act. 620 00:26:26,715 --> 00:26:28,499 In some ways, it was the single most rational thing 621 00:26:28,543 --> 00:26:30,371 I've ever done in my life. 622 00:26:30,414 --> 00:26:32,199 And I don't want to spend the rest of my life in an asylum. 623 00:26:32,242 --> 00:26:34,157 Or in a prison, for that matter. 624 00:26:34,201 --> 00:26:37,334 Well, that's good to hear, Holly. 625 00:26:37,378 --> 00:26:39,206 That sounds like progress. 626 00:26:40,207 --> 00:26:42,035 Sounds like someone who's starting to care 627 00:26:42,078 --> 00:26:45,734 about what happens to them the day after the trial is over. 628 00:26:46,822 --> 00:26:48,041 BENNY: Holly, 629 00:26:48,084 --> 00:26:50,391 choosing to mount an insanity defense 630 00:26:50,434 --> 00:26:52,480 does not mean that you're insane. 631 00:26:52,523 --> 00:26:56,005 It only means that you weren't capable of rational thought, 632 00:26:56,049 --> 00:26:58,355 of understanding the difference between right and wrong 633 00:26:58,399 --> 00:27:00,619 when you chose to kill Roger Navarre. 634 00:27:00,662 --> 00:27:02,882 And if the jury decides to accept our defense 635 00:27:02,925 --> 00:27:04,231 when they deliberate, 636 00:27:04,274 --> 00:27:05,667 it often means, 637 00:27:05,711 --> 00:27:07,713 after a proper examination 638 00:27:07,756 --> 00:27:09,802 and you are found to be of sound mind, 639 00:27:09,845 --> 00:27:11,891 that you will be free to live the rest of your life 640 00:27:11,934 --> 00:27:12,979 as a free woman. 641 00:27:14,197 --> 00:27:15,938 BULL: What do you think? 642 00:27:15,982 --> 00:27:19,594 I really think this is the move here. 643 00:27:19,638 --> 00:27:22,075 Now that the prosecution has rested their case 644 00:27:22,118 --> 00:27:24,730 and the defense is about to begin presenting theirs, 645 00:27:24,773 --> 00:27:27,167 I've been informed that Ms. Kerrigan 646 00:27:27,210 --> 00:27:28,603 would like to change her plea 647 00:27:28,647 --> 00:27:30,823 to "not guilty by reason of insanity." 648 00:27:30,866 --> 00:27:33,173 [murmuring]I need the jury to understand 649 00:27:33,216 --> 00:27:35,262 that this is simply an added option when it comes time 650 00:27:35,305 --> 00:27:37,003 to making a decision. 651 00:27:37,046 --> 00:27:39,135 You can still find the defendant guilty, 652 00:27:39,179 --> 00:27:40,963 find the defendant innocent, 653 00:27:41,007 --> 00:27:43,444 or, if you feel she meets the threshold requirements-- 654 00:27:43,487 --> 00:27:45,794 which we will discuss during deliberations-- 655 00:27:45,838 --> 00:27:48,884 not guilty by reason of insanity. 656 00:27:48,928 --> 00:27:50,320 All right, then. 657 00:27:50,364 --> 00:27:51,582 Mr. Colón, 658 00:27:51,626 --> 00:27:53,149 you may call your first witness. 659 00:27:53,193 --> 00:27:55,064 Dr. Diposo, 660 00:27:55,108 --> 00:27:57,719 would you please tell the jury what it is you do for a living? 661 00:27:57,763 --> 00:28:01,418 I'm what they call a forensic psychiatrist. 662 00:28:01,462 --> 00:28:03,769 I deal primarily in the assessment 663 00:28:03,812 --> 00:28:06,467 and treatment of people in prisons, 664 00:28:06,510 --> 00:28:08,861 people in psychiatric hospitals, 665 00:28:08,904 --> 00:28:11,907 and occasionally individuals among the general public 666 00:28:11,951 --> 00:28:13,909 who have mental health issues. 667 00:28:13,953 --> 00:28:15,737 BENNY: And are you familiar 668 00:28:15,781 --> 00:28:17,043 with Holly Kerrigan? 669 00:28:17,086 --> 00:28:18,609 Yes, I am. 670 00:28:18,653 --> 00:28:20,829 In fact, I met with her personally this morning. 671 00:28:20,873 --> 00:28:23,092 In addition, I've studied the records 672 00:28:23,136 --> 00:28:24,920 of the crime of which she's accused. 673 00:28:24,964 --> 00:28:26,617 Transcripts, police reports, 674 00:28:26,661 --> 00:28:28,837 evidence files. 675 00:28:28,881 --> 00:28:32,058 And have you come to any opinion 676 00:28:32,101 --> 00:28:34,930 regarding Ms. Kerrigan's mental health 677 00:28:34,974 --> 00:28:39,413 in the hours, days or even weeks surrounding the killing? 678 00:28:39,456 --> 00:28:40,849 I have. 679 00:28:40,893 --> 00:28:42,982 Based on everything that I've reviewed, 680 00:28:43,025 --> 00:28:45,288 it seems fairly obvious to me 681 00:28:45,332 --> 00:28:47,029 that, prior to the killing, 682 00:28:47,073 --> 00:28:51,512 she was suffering from a profound case of PTSD 683 00:28:51,555 --> 00:28:55,516 stemming from both her relationship with Mr. Navarre 684 00:28:55,559 --> 00:28:57,518 and its aftermath. 685 00:28:57,561 --> 00:29:00,651 And in the days and weeks leading up to 686 00:29:00,695 --> 00:29:03,263 and including the killing, 687 00:29:03,306 --> 00:29:08,355 I believe her behavior fits the legal definition of insanity. 688 00:29:08,398 --> 00:29:11,793 BENNY: Right. I-It-- You hear about PTSD all the time. 689 00:29:11,837 --> 00:29:13,490 Seems like it's everywhere. 690 00:29:13,534 --> 00:29:14,840 Is it even real? 691 00:29:14,883 --> 00:29:17,016 Does such a thing actually exist? 692 00:29:17,059 --> 00:29:19,453 Oh, it absolutely exists. 693 00:29:19,496 --> 00:29:21,237 In fact, it's been recognized 694 00:29:21,281 --> 00:29:23,370 for over a century under different names. 695 00:29:23,413 --> 00:29:26,808 In World War I, they called it "shellshock." 696 00:29:26,852 --> 00:29:28,375 In World War II, 697 00:29:28,418 --> 00:29:31,030 they referred to it as "battle fatigue." 698 00:29:31,073 --> 00:29:32,683 It's all the same thing. 699 00:29:32,727 --> 00:29:34,598 And it doesn't just happen to soldiers in combat. 700 00:29:34,642 --> 00:29:36,165 Anyone who's party to 701 00:29:36,209 --> 00:29:37,210 or witnesses 702 00:29:37,253 --> 00:29:39,168 a traumatic event 703 00:29:39,212 --> 00:29:41,301 is a candidatefor it. 704 00:29:41,344 --> 00:29:43,825 And does PTSD make you insane? 705 00:29:43,869 --> 00:29:46,436 No, it does not. 706 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,439 And yet you began your testimony by stating unequivocally 707 00:29:49,483 --> 00:29:52,225 that Holly Kerrigan was legally insane. 708 00:29:52,268 --> 00:29:55,358 Or at least she was in the days or hours 709 00:29:55,402 --> 00:29:57,491 prior to Roger Navarre's death. 710 00:29:57,534 --> 00:29:58,927 I do. 711 00:29:58,971 --> 00:30:00,624 I think a simple review of the facts 712 00:30:00,668 --> 00:30:02,322 makes that abundantly clear. 713 00:30:02,365 --> 00:30:04,019 How do you mean? 714 00:30:04,063 --> 00:30:05,716 Put aside whether you believe 715 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,372 the act of murder is the undertaking of a sane person. 716 00:30:09,416 --> 00:30:11,548 Making a choice to kill a person 717 00:30:11,592 --> 00:30:14,682 in front of so many witnesses is not. 718 00:30:14,725 --> 00:30:16,205 Add to that that, 719 00:30:16,249 --> 00:30:17,816 once she pulled the trigger, 720 00:30:17,859 --> 00:30:20,470 she made absolutely no attempt to flee. 721 00:30:20,514 --> 00:30:22,385 Add to that, 722 00:30:22,429 --> 00:30:24,866 then she tried to kill herself. 723 00:30:24,910 --> 00:30:26,520 That human being, 724 00:30:26,563 --> 00:30:27,869 in that moment, 725 00:30:27,913 --> 00:30:28,957 is not sane. 726 00:30:31,568 --> 00:30:33,440 I see. 727 00:30:33,483 --> 00:30:34,920 Thank you very much. 728 00:30:34,963 --> 00:30:36,922 I have no further questions, Your Honor. 729 00:30:36,965 --> 00:30:38,662 CONWAY: Dr. Diposo, 730 00:30:38,706 --> 00:30:41,535 you testified that you met with the accused 731 00:30:41,578 --> 00:30:43,798 for the first time this morning. 732 00:30:43,842 --> 00:30:45,278 That's correct. 733 00:30:45,321 --> 00:30:46,801 And what time did that meeting take place? 734 00:30:46,845 --> 00:30:49,064 We started around 10:00 a.m. 735 00:30:49,108 --> 00:30:50,805 And how long did you go? 736 00:30:50,849 --> 00:30:52,633 Little over two hours. 737 00:30:52,676 --> 00:30:56,376 Okay. So, it's a little after 2:00 now-- 738 00:30:56,419 --> 00:30:59,248 45 minutes for lunch-- w... wouldn't you say 739 00:30:59,292 --> 00:31:02,817 that you arrived at your conclusions rather quickly? 740 00:31:02,861 --> 00:31:06,342 Again, the accused's behavior, in that moment, 741 00:31:06,386 --> 00:31:08,040 says it all. 742 00:31:08,083 --> 00:31:11,782 No matter how much time I might have to contemplate, 743 00:31:11,826 --> 00:31:14,394 it wouldn't change my conclusions. 744 00:31:15,395 --> 00:31:16,918 John Wilkes Booth. 745 00:31:16,962 --> 00:31:18,180 Insane? 746 00:31:18,224 --> 00:31:19,834 Excuse me? 747 00:31:19,878 --> 00:31:21,836 John Wilkes Booth, the man who shot Abraham Lincoln. 748 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,099 Did it in a theater full of people. 749 00:31:24,143 --> 00:31:26,928 By your definition, wouldn't he be insane? 750 00:31:26,972 --> 00:31:29,365 I'm not prepared to render a decision on that. 751 00:31:29,409 --> 00:31:32,064 I've never met with Mr. Booth. 752 00:31:32,107 --> 00:31:34,066 Of course not. And he did try to flee, so... 753 00:31:34,109 --> 00:31:35,241 never mind. 754 00:31:35,284 --> 00:31:36,546 Objection, Your Honor. 755 00:31:36,590 --> 00:31:38,374 Counsel is badgering the witness. 756 00:31:38,418 --> 00:31:39,941 CONWAY: My apologies, Your Honor. 757 00:31:39,985 --> 00:31:42,465 I'll withdraw the question, Your Honor. 758 00:31:42,509 --> 00:31:43,989 How about Sirhan Sirhan? 759 00:31:44,032 --> 00:31:46,426 Shot Bobby Kennedy in a room full of people 760 00:31:46,469 --> 00:31:48,123 in a hotel in Los Angeles-- insane? 761 00:31:48,167 --> 00:31:49,951 Your Honor... 762 00:31:49,995 --> 00:31:50,996 Ms. Conway! 763 00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:52,867 How about all the terrorists 764 00:31:52,911 --> 00:31:55,000 in all the planes that attacked this country on 9/11? 765 00:31:55,043 --> 00:31:56,653 Insane? Or impassioned? 766 00:31:56,697 --> 00:31:57,698 Crazy? Or determined 767 00:31:57,741 --> 00:31:59,047 to do something and willing 768 00:31:59,091 --> 00:32:00,875 to get it done at any cost?Your Honor, 769 00:32:00,919 --> 00:32:03,617 counsel isn't even addressing the witness. 770 00:32:03,660 --> 00:32:06,141 She is testifying directly to the jury. 771 00:32:06,185 --> 00:32:07,534 JUDGE: Ms. Conway, if you do not stop 772 00:32:07,577 --> 00:32:09,492 and allow the witness to answer, 773 00:32:09,536 --> 00:32:11,799 I will find you in contempt of court. 774 00:32:11,842 --> 00:32:13,844 That's all right, Your Honor. 775 00:32:13,888 --> 00:32:15,846 My apologies, Your Honor. 776 00:32:15,890 --> 00:32:17,587 I'll just withdraw the question. 777 00:32:18,588 --> 00:32:21,069 And I have no more questions. 778 00:32:21,113 --> 00:32:23,158 ♪ 779 00:32:32,820 --> 00:32:35,605 Well, that's a terrific closing argument, Benny. 780 00:32:37,738 --> 00:32:39,087 It's beautiful, actually. 781 00:32:40,784 --> 00:32:43,744 So you think it'll make a damn bit of difference? 782 00:32:45,050 --> 00:32:47,052 No, I don't. 783 00:32:49,228 --> 00:32:51,491 [sighs] 784 00:32:51,534 --> 00:32:53,275 I am absolutely certain 785 00:32:53,319 --> 00:32:55,930 we don't have anywhere near a dozen "not guilty" votes, 786 00:32:55,974 --> 00:32:59,716 much less "not guilty by reason of insanity." 787 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,892 And I'm reasonably sure the A.D.A. doesn't have 788 00:33:01,936 --> 00:33:04,199 a dozen jurors who want to send Holly to prison 789 00:33:04,243 --> 00:33:06,419 for the rest of her life, either. 790 00:33:06,462 --> 00:33:09,117 So you think we're looking at a hung jury? 791 00:33:10,771 --> 00:33:12,947 I'm afraid so. 792 00:33:12,991 --> 00:33:15,645 Mr. Colón. Dr. Bull. 793 00:33:15,689 --> 00:33:17,256 Rachel.Ladies. 794 00:33:17,299 --> 00:33:19,345 None of us has a good feeling about any of this. 795 00:33:19,388 --> 00:33:22,391 Well, I'd love to disabuse you of that feeling, but... 796 00:33:22,435 --> 00:33:23,653 I can't. 797 00:33:26,569 --> 00:33:28,876 We ought to head inside. 798 00:33:32,140 --> 00:33:34,099 BENNY: Let me remind you 799 00:33:34,142 --> 00:33:37,624 of the funeral in which this all began. 800 00:33:37,667 --> 00:33:40,757 The funeral of a young dancer. 801 00:33:40,801 --> 00:33:43,499 17 years old. 802 00:33:43,543 --> 00:33:46,285 Took her own life. 803 00:33:46,328 --> 00:33:48,635 One can only imagine the pain 804 00:33:48,678 --> 00:33:51,681 that must have been inflicted upon this young woman, 805 00:33:51,725 --> 00:33:54,771 to choose death by her own hand. 806 00:33:56,512 --> 00:34:00,299 I mean, how do we make sense of that? 807 00:34:00,342 --> 00:34:01,430 Seems... 808 00:34:01,474 --> 00:34:04,042 beyond comprehension. 809 00:34:05,086 --> 00:34:07,219 But one person understood. 810 00:34:07,262 --> 00:34:08,698 My client understood. 811 00:34:08,742 --> 00:34:11,745 When she saw the young ballerina 812 00:34:11,788 --> 00:34:13,747 and her old boyfriend on the street 813 00:34:13,790 --> 00:34:15,749 making their way out of a woman's clinic, 814 00:34:15,792 --> 00:34:19,013 she knew instantly what was happening. 815 00:34:19,057 --> 00:34:21,798 You know why? Because it happened to her. 816 00:34:21,842 --> 00:34:24,410 And she knew at that exact moment 817 00:34:24,453 --> 00:34:27,282 that it was gonna keep happening to other young women 818 00:34:27,326 --> 00:34:30,024 unless she put a stop to it. 819 00:34:31,069 --> 00:34:33,071 And that's exactly what she did. 820 00:34:34,985 --> 00:34:36,857 Now, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 821 00:34:36,900 --> 00:34:40,730 I know some of you may think my client is a criminal. 822 00:34:42,210 --> 00:34:44,821 Well... 823 00:34:44,865 --> 00:34:47,346 I know some people who think she's a hero. 824 00:34:47,389 --> 00:34:52,046 And whatever side of that question you land on, 825 00:34:52,090 --> 00:34:54,701 one thing's undeniable, 826 00:34:54,744 --> 00:34:58,748 and that is, my client's life has been irreparably destroyed. 827 00:34:58,792 --> 00:35:01,186 And there's no reason to think that incarceration 828 00:35:01,229 --> 00:35:04,667 for the rest of her life will do anything other than make 829 00:35:04,711 --> 00:35:07,844 whatever's already been damaged even more so. 830 00:35:09,672 --> 00:35:11,413 So, please... 831 00:35:14,112 --> 00:35:16,549 ...let's give this young woman a chance... 832 00:35:17,898 --> 00:35:20,553 ...at finding the professional help that she needs. 833 00:35:22,294 --> 00:35:26,254 And at helping her forge a future for herself. 834 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,475 Thank you for listening. 835 00:35:35,220 --> 00:35:39,963 Ladies and gentlemen, you may think she's a criminal. 836 00:35:40,007 --> 00:35:42,923 That's what the attorney for the accused just said. 837 00:35:42,966 --> 00:35:45,186 Well, let me clear that up for you. 838 00:35:45,230 --> 00:35:47,188 She is a criminal. 839 00:35:47,232 --> 00:35:50,104 People who shoot people in the back of the head, 840 00:35:50,148 --> 00:35:52,498 in our society, are criminals. 841 00:35:52,541 --> 00:35:54,804 [chuckles]: And thank goodness that's the case. 842 00:35:54,848 --> 00:35:58,286 Look, no one's saying that Roger Navarre 843 00:35:58,330 --> 00:35:59,592 was a model citizen. 844 00:35:59,635 --> 00:36:01,768 Clearly, he had a lot of girlfriends, 845 00:36:01,811 --> 00:36:04,771 many of them far younger than he. 846 00:36:06,425 --> 00:36:10,429 But only one of them saw fit to end his life. 847 00:36:10,472 --> 00:36:12,996 Only one of them saw fit to sneak up behind him... 848 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:17,044 I was with Roger Navarre for a year and a half, 849 00:36:17,087 --> 00:36:19,481 and I drove Holly from Ohio to New York 850 00:36:19,525 --> 00:36:22,136 so she could shoot that monster. Convict me. 851 00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:23,703 Order! We're in the middle of closing arguments. 852 00:36:23,746 --> 00:36:26,227 The court officer will remove this woman... 853 00:36:26,271 --> 00:36:27,968 I was with Roger Navarre for seven months, 854 00:36:28,011 --> 00:36:29,622 and I bought the gun. 855 00:36:29,665 --> 00:36:31,232 Convict me.[gavel banging] 856 00:36:31,276 --> 00:36:33,321 Order! I need this court to come to order! 857 00:36:33,365 --> 00:36:35,367 I was with Roger Navarre for almost a year. 858 00:36:35,410 --> 00:36:36,890 [gavel banging]I paid for the bullets. 859 00:36:36,933 --> 00:36:38,413 Convict me. 860 00:36:38,457 --> 00:36:40,328 And I was with Roger Navarre for ten months. 861 00:36:40,372 --> 00:36:41,938 I told Holly all about the funeral. 862 00:36:41,982 --> 00:36:43,549 Where it was. When it was. 863 00:36:43,592 --> 00:36:45,725 We're all as responsible as she is. 864 00:36:45,768 --> 00:36:48,075 [gavel banging]If you convict Holly, you should convict us, too. 865 00:36:48,118 --> 00:36:50,686 JUDGE: I need these women to be escorted from the courtroom 866 00:36:50,730 --> 00:36:52,253 and held in contempt. 867 00:36:52,297 --> 00:36:53,950 I need the accused to be returned to holding. 868 00:36:53,994 --> 00:36:56,257 And I need the jury to be led back 869 00:36:56,301 --> 00:36:58,390 to the jury room so that I can have a private conversation 870 00:36:58,433 --> 00:37:01,306 with counsel from both sides. 871 00:37:01,349 --> 00:37:05,614 I need this court to come to order! 872 00:37:05,658 --> 00:37:07,834 So, what's your pleasure, Ms. Conway? 873 00:37:07,877 --> 00:37:09,488 The jury is tainted. 874 00:37:09,531 --> 00:37:11,229 Are the People moving for a mistrial? 875 00:37:11,272 --> 00:37:14,057 I need a little time. I need to call the D.A. 876 00:37:14,101 --> 00:37:15,885 May I have 20 minutes? 877 00:37:15,929 --> 00:37:19,062 Take an hour. I'll be in my chambers. 878 00:37:19,106 --> 00:37:20,716 Thank you, Your Honor. 879 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,154 I'll be in the conference room if anyone needs me. 880 00:37:25,330 --> 00:37:27,375 Well, you called it. 881 00:37:27,419 --> 00:37:29,159 Looks like it's gonna be a mistrial. 882 00:37:29,203 --> 00:37:30,770 Maybe. 883 00:37:30,813 --> 00:37:32,598 Maybe not. 884 00:37:34,208 --> 00:37:35,253 [knocking] 885 00:37:35,296 --> 00:37:37,298 This room is being used. 886 00:37:37,342 --> 00:37:38,647 [door opens] 887 00:37:38,691 --> 00:37:40,519 BULL:So, what's the verdict? 888 00:37:40,562 --> 00:37:43,130 Take a guess. I'm-I'm trying to write the press release now. 889 00:37:45,132 --> 00:37:47,874 Ah, yes, so, the D.A. wants a mistrial, right? 890 00:37:47,917 --> 00:37:49,223 Eh, why not? 891 00:37:49,267 --> 00:37:51,269 Another year, who's gonna complain 892 00:37:51,312 --> 00:37:53,923 that an accused killer is staying behind bars 893 00:37:53,967 --> 00:37:56,274 even though there's been no verdict rendered? 894 00:37:57,318 --> 00:38:00,190 Is there anything else? 'Cause I'm really busy. 895 00:38:00,234 --> 00:38:02,584 Yeah, actually, there's one more thing. 896 00:38:02,628 --> 00:38:05,283 And I only mention this because you're really good. 897 00:38:05,326 --> 00:38:07,285 You're very impressive. 898 00:38:07,328 --> 00:38:09,417 I've watched you work twice now, 899 00:38:09,461 --> 00:38:11,637 and you've got what it takes. 900 00:38:12,638 --> 00:38:14,901 Okay. 901 00:38:14,944 --> 00:38:17,382 [quietly]: Nobody knows your name. 902 00:38:19,514 --> 00:38:22,691 You didn't come all this way for a mistrial. 903 00:38:22,735 --> 00:38:24,780 I know you're ambitious. 904 00:38:24,824 --> 00:38:26,826 I know you've got big plans. 905 00:38:26,869 --> 00:38:29,698 Maybe city attorney. Maybe mayor. 906 00:38:29,742 --> 00:38:31,657 Where are you going with this conversation? 907 00:38:31,700 --> 00:38:33,136 Every challenge is a hidden opportunity. 908 00:38:33,180 --> 00:38:34,747 Okay, you know, I-I hear you selling, 909 00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:37,358 but I have no freaking idea what the product is. 910 00:38:37,402 --> 00:38:40,274 Four women stood up in court today and said, "I did it, too." 911 00:38:40,318 --> 00:38:42,058 How long you think that's gonna stay secret? 912 00:38:42,102 --> 00:38:45,192 Well, the truth is that only one woman is responsible 913 00:38:45,235 --> 00:38:46,846 for the death of Roger Navarre. 914 00:38:46,889 --> 00:38:49,283 The truth. 915 00:38:49,327 --> 00:38:51,807 The truth is, Roger Navarre ruined lives, 916 00:38:51,851 --> 00:38:54,201 and he was poised to ruin many more. 917 00:38:54,244 --> 00:38:55,768 He was a very bad man, 918 00:38:55,811 --> 00:38:58,031 and there are a lot of men out there just like him. 919 00:38:58,074 --> 00:39:01,643 Women know the truth. You know the truth. 920 00:39:01,687 --> 00:39:03,645 You're the prosecuting attorney, 921 00:39:03,689 --> 00:39:05,821 and you've just been handed a do-over. 922 00:39:05,865 --> 00:39:08,346 Don't you think, knowing what you know... 923 00:39:08,389 --> 00:39:10,652 this would be a good time to listen to your heart 924 00:39:10,696 --> 00:39:12,480 instead of your boss? 925 00:39:16,615 --> 00:39:18,573 Do the right thing. 926 00:39:18,617 --> 00:39:21,271 And, as an added benefit, 927 00:39:21,315 --> 00:39:23,926 you make a little noise for yourself. 928 00:39:32,326 --> 00:39:35,416 Due to a series of outbursts in the courtroom today, 929 00:39:35,460 --> 00:39:37,897 a mistrial has been declared in the matter 930 00:39:37,940 --> 00:39:40,552 of The People v. Holly Kerrigan. 931 00:39:40,595 --> 00:39:44,033 I want you to know that, as the prosecuting attorney, 932 00:39:44,077 --> 00:39:47,689 I've elected not to retry this case at this time, 933 00:39:47,733 --> 00:39:49,691 and have agreed to allow Ms. Kerrigan, 934 00:39:49,735 --> 00:39:51,693 subject to psychiatric evaluation 935 00:39:51,737 --> 00:39:53,695 and a willingness to enter pretrial probation, 936 00:39:53,739 --> 00:39:55,697 to serve no jail time. 937 00:39:55,741 --> 00:39:58,526 This will spare the People both the cost of a new trial 938 00:39:58,570 --> 00:40:01,399 and the expense of Ms. Kerrigan's incarceration 939 00:40:01,442 --> 00:40:03,531 until such time as that trial begins. 940 00:40:03,575 --> 00:40:05,141 To be clear, 941 00:40:05,185 --> 00:40:09,581 while I do not condone Ms. Kerrigan's actions... 942 00:40:11,104 --> 00:40:13,976 ...it became apparent over the course of the trial 943 00:40:14,020 --> 00:40:17,023 that her victim, Mr. Navarre, 944 00:40:17,066 --> 00:40:20,983 was, in fact, an extremely dangerous predator. 945 00:40:21,027 --> 00:40:23,725 The kind of man who takes pleasure 946 00:40:23,769 --> 00:40:27,990 in laying waste to young women's lives and futures. 947 00:40:28,034 --> 00:40:31,864 And while that does not excuse what happened here, 948 00:40:31,907 --> 00:40:35,955 it does provide context for Ms. Kerrigan's actions 949 00:40:35,998 --> 00:40:38,914 that we were heretofore unaware of. 950 00:40:40,786 --> 00:40:42,352 And for those of you 951 00:40:42,396 --> 00:40:47,749 who have never met a man like Roger Navarre... 952 00:40:47,793 --> 00:40:50,883 just ask your wives... 953 00:40:50,926 --> 00:40:53,276 your daughters... 954 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,409 your mothers... 955 00:40:55,453 --> 00:40:57,455 your girlfriends. 956 00:40:58,543 --> 00:41:01,154 I'm reasonably certain that they have. 957 00:41:03,939 --> 00:41:07,160 I'm Assistant District Attorney Whitney Conway. 958 00:41:07,203 --> 00:41:09,205 Thanks for your attention. 959 00:41:21,740 --> 00:41:25,483 Captioning sponsored by CBS 960 00:41:25,526 --> 00:41:27,485 Captioned by Media Access Group at WGBH access.wgbh.org