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Is that all you got?

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I was hoping to trade these
for some coffee beans.

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You hungry?

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Yeah.

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Get some water.

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I'll make lunch.

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[birds chirping]

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[alarm blaring]

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You know what to do, son.

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Yes, sir.

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Remember...

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this is our land.

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It's kill or be killed.

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[alarm continues blaring]

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OFFICER [over bullhorn]:
Mr. Schwieger. State Police.

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I need you to step outside.

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NORMAN: Now.[gunshot]

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[glass breaking]

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[officer shouting outside]

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[gunshot, gun cocking]

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Kill or be killed.[gunshot]

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So where are we going?

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What are we doing?

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And who is this wonder of
wonders I just have to meet?

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What did you call him?
A walking anachronism?

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Lucas Schwieger, 16.

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He never attended school.

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He lives a completely
sheltered existence

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in a cabin with no
electricity or running water

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in the woods above
Sullivan County.

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His father, whom
he lived with,

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described himself as
a radical survivalist.

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He was, as far as I can tell,
the only person

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that Lucas had any
sustained contact with

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during his 16
years of life.

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Wow.

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A caseworker with
Child Protective Services

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heard about him, grew concerned,
came to pay him a visit...

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escorted by
the New York State Police.

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"Father and son opened fire,
killing the caseworker

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"and wounding
the State Police officer,

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who fired back,
killing the father."

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Ballistics indicate that while
Lucas shot the police officer,

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wounding him in the leg,
he didn't actually kill anyone.

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It was the father's gun
that did that.

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Nonetheless, he's being charged
as an adult for murder

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as part of a joint venture.

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Does he even understand
what's going on? The charges?

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That they want him
to stand trial?

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They want to punish him
for what happened?

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He didn't even understand
what an attorney was

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until I explained it to him.[sighs]

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You know, it's not like
he's mentally impaired.

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In fact, in the little time
I've spent with him,

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he seems innately intelligent.

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But his only understanding
of the world

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is what's been taught
to him by his father.

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Well, obviously,
some doctor, somewhere,

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deemed him fit
to stand trial.[buzzer blares]

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You should also know
that Lucas did speak

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to the police
on the record.

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He already admitted
he shot the officer.

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Expressed clear intent.

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Insisted he would
do it again.[door clanks open]

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[door closing]

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[handcuffs clicking]

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He's a friend.

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My name's Dr. Jason Bull.

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Dr. Statton wanted me
to meet you.

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See if I could help you.

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Doctor, huh?

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I'm not sick.

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No. I'm not the doctor
that helps sick people.

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I'm the doctor that helps people
when they get into trouble,

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when they have to go to court.

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Do you know what court is?

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Did Dr. Statton explain
about court to you?

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Let me start over.

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First of all,
I'm sorry about your father.

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They had better guns.

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How about your mom?

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Do you ever see her?

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Is there any way
I could talk to her?

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No.

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She hung herself.

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It was when I was a little kid.

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I'm sorry.

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Lucas...

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...do you understand
you could spend

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the rest of your life
in here, in jail?

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And I'm guessing you don't
want that. Am I right?

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I just want to go home.

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And that's what we want to try
and make happen.

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You all right
with that?

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I guess so.[lock buzzes, clicks]

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All right.

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Let me get back to my office,
get this started.

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I'm sure I'm gonna want
to talk to you some more.

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In the meantime, is there
anything I can bring you?

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Anything you miss?
Maybe some books?

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Well, if you think
of anything.

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[door closes]

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♪

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MARISSA:
This is Lucas Schwieger.
16 years old.

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Charged with murder in the death

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of a New York State
Children's Services caseworker.

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Yeah. We all got Bull's e-mail
about this kid.

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He can't read. Barely speaks.

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Lived with his dad off the grid

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his whole life.
Oh, and let's not forget

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he confessed to the crime.

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DANNY:
So I'll just say it.

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Can we even help this boy?

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We've got the surviving
police officer's testimony.

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Plus the confession.

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And this client
doesn't seem like he's

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in a position to really help
his own defense.

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TAYLOR:
And what kind of narrative?

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What kind of story
can you tell a jury

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that makes it okay to ambush
a caseworker and a trooper?

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MARISSA:
Bull wants to mount

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a defense based on
persuasive coercion.

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Our position will be that,
because of Lucas's sheltered

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and isolated upbringing, he
didn't know what he was doing,

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other than following
the instructions of,

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quite literally, the only person
in his life: his father.

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Norman Schwieger was delusional

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and paranoid and controlling.

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He was convinced
that humankind was on the verge

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of a cataclysmic end and thought
the only way to survive

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was to live a completely
self-sustaining life

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away from the scrutiny
of other human beings.

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And he forced his son
to live the same way...

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cloistered on their
small plot of land,

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which they didn't even
really own,

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which Norman rigged
with trip-wired alarms

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to warn them of any trespassers.

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Okay. I'll ask.

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What is persuasive coercion?

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Basically, Bull wants to argue
for all intents and purposes

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that Lucas's father exercised
a kind of mind control over him.

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Denied the boy a voice

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in any decision-making
of any kind.

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His job was simply to do
what he was told.

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And as a result,
he had no experience choosing

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between right and wrong,
no experience choosing anything.

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The problem is,
it's an affirmative defense.

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Hi. Zero years
of law school here.

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Though I did watch a lot
of Ally McBealback in the '90s.

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So what does that mean?
"Affirmative defense"?

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MARISSA: That means that
going in, we admit

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to what the prosecution
claims he did.

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And now it puts the burden on us
to present evidence

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that will negate
his having done it.

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Basically, yes, he shot
at those people, but no,

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given the circumstances,
it wasn't his fault.

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And how do we make
that argument?

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Is there anyone left to testify?

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With Lucas's father dead,
it leaves us without one witness

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who can tell the jury about the
crazy way that Lucas grew up.

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BENNY:
And based on Bull's e-mails,

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it's highly unlikely
that we'll be able

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to put Lucas himself
on the stand.

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DANNY:
Wait a second.

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Someone saw something,

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because Child
Protective Services

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were sent to this house.

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I know those calls
are confidential,

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but I'll start digging and see
if I can find out who did it.

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You know what the
trick is gonna be?

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Trying to get a jury
to connect with this kid

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despite everything
about his life

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being vastly different
from their own.

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I can't wait to hear
what the big guy has to say.

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[grunts] You ever seen
one of these before?

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It's called a tie.

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It's what men wear when they
want to be taken seriously.

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It hurts. Hurts my neck.

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Well, every man who's ever
put one of these on

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has thought that, but still...

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people have been wearing them
for hundreds of years.

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Went to church once.

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Saw some there.

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So, today... today is all
about picking jurors,

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the people who decide whether
to punish you or not.

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Mr. Colón is gonna be
asking people questions.

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You don't have to do
anything; just sit there.

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Try not to react.

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And don't say a word
unless I tell you to.

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Remember, people are gonna
be looking at you. Okay?

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Trying to figure
out who you are.

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They might make funny faces.
Don't make any back.

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You just sit there,
try to smile.

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It's probably gonna
take the whole day.

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Mr. Colón and I
will do our best

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to get you out of there
as quickly as possible.

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♪

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[gavel raps twice]

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Good morning,
ladies and gentlemen.

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Let me ask you all a question.

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How many of you, especially
when you were teenagers,

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had a less than terrific
relationship with your parents?

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You, sir.

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You were at war with
your folks a lot?

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Well, my old man
was a taskmaster.

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Very old-school.

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And I was the kind of kid
who didn't really like rules.

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Got it.

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And all of you pretty much feel
the same way?

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That your parents didn't
necessarily know best?

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Your Honor, the defense
would like to thank

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and excuse jurors number three,

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eight, ten and 12.

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BULL:
We need jurors who see Lucas
was a part of a cult of two.

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Brainwashed to hate like a sort
of Manchurian Candidate.

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And how do we do that?

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We look for people who can be
persuaded to follow a leader.

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They may not understand
the environment Lucas

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was raised in,
but they can relate

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to his need to do as he's told.

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People who are risk averse

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and make middle-of-the-road
decisions.

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So, tell me, sir,

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do you invest in
the stock market?

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I do.

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Do you buy tech stocks,
high-risk investments,

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or are you more of a S&P 500

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kind of investor?

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I actually like to go
with mutual funds.

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Let someone who knows what
they're doing decide for me.

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Play it safe.
Get a steady return.

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Your Honor, the defense finds
this juror acceptable.

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And we have our jury.

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The court is in recess
until tomorrow morning.

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Nice job.

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You did everything
we asked perfectly.

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We had a good day.

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Does that mean
I can go home now?

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No. No.

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I'm sorry, this is...

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gonna take many days.

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Today was a good day
but not the only day.

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Are you going home?

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00:11:25,772 --> 00:11:27,425
Yes.

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Is he going home now?

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Yes.

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But not me?

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Not yet.

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♪

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What are we gonna do
about this confession?

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Talk about taking advantage
of someone's limited capacity.

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That's why I hung around--
I wanted to get it

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in front of both of you.It's pretty damning.

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I get the feeling,
if they had asked him

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00:12:12,862 --> 00:12:14,559
where Hoffa's body was buried,
he would have told them.

256
00:12:14,603 --> 00:12:16,170
How about I
file a motion

257
00:12:16,213 --> 00:12:18,476
to get the confession thrown out
first thing in the morning?

258
00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,479
That's how you get to be
Benjamin Colón.

259
00:12:21,523 --> 00:12:23,568
Does that mean we're
done for the day?

260
00:12:23,612 --> 00:12:25,614
I know I am.

261
00:12:28,138 --> 00:12:31,533
[TV playing indistinctly]

262
00:12:31,576 --> 00:12:33,056
Are you happy?

263
00:12:33,100 --> 00:12:35,406
I'm sorry?

264
00:12:35,450 --> 00:12:37,408
Are you happy?

265
00:12:37,452 --> 00:12:41,064
I am lying here naked
next to my naked husband,

266
00:12:41,108 --> 00:12:45,590
watching do-it-yourself bathroom
projects at 8:30 at night.

267
00:12:45,634 --> 00:12:47,549
I'm euphoric.

268
00:12:47,592 --> 00:12:49,638
Why?

269
00:12:51,509 --> 00:12:52,467
[clicks off TV]

270
00:12:52,510 --> 00:12:54,295
I don't know, uh...

271
00:12:54,338 --> 00:12:56,601
the mail was piling up,
and I finally got around

272
00:12:56,645 --> 00:12:58,603
to going through it,

273
00:12:58,647 --> 00:13:01,432
and there was a thing
from a fertility clinic.

274
00:13:02,564 --> 00:13:04,522
A bill.

275
00:13:04,566 --> 00:13:08,526
They wanted to know if they
should keep your eggs frozen

276
00:13:08,570 --> 00:13:11,355
or just... throw 'em away.

277
00:13:15,882 --> 00:13:20,625
I didn't even know that
you had frozen some eggs.

278
00:13:20,669 --> 00:13:22,802
I didn't even
know that you...

279
00:13:22,845 --> 00:13:24,412
wanted kids.

280
00:13:24,455 --> 00:13:26,588
I mean...

281
00:13:26,631 --> 00:13:29,069
I seem to recall
when we first got married

282
00:13:29,112 --> 00:13:31,506
that we sort of
figured out that...

283
00:13:31,549 --> 00:13:34,422
we didn't... want them.

284
00:13:34,465 --> 00:13:36,206
God.

285
00:13:36,250 --> 00:13:39,819
I so didn't see
this conversation coming.

286
00:13:41,037 --> 00:13:43,257
I love what we have.

287
00:13:43,300 --> 00:13:46,651
I love our life
just the way it is.

288
00:13:46,695 --> 00:13:48,566
But we're paying
to keep your eggs

289
00:13:48,610 --> 00:13:51,613
in some stranger's Deepfreeze.

290
00:13:51,656 --> 00:13:54,007
[sighs]:
I know.

291
00:13:54,050 --> 00:13:57,010
How can I explain this to you?

292
00:13:58,620 --> 00:14:01,710
After our divorce...

293
00:14:01,753 --> 00:14:03,625
friends with kids
kept telling me

294
00:14:03,668 --> 00:14:05,496
that something's
gonna happen,

295
00:14:05,540 --> 00:14:07,890
that I'd suddenly
want them, too.

296
00:14:07,934 --> 00:14:11,589
That some switch would flip
and it would be too late,

297
00:14:11,633 --> 00:14:14,331
and this was something
I needed to plan for.

298
00:14:14,375 --> 00:14:15,985
And you're right,

299
00:14:16,029 --> 00:14:18,553
I never had that thing,
that... kid thing,

300
00:14:18,596 --> 00:14:21,556
but I thought:
"Don't be stupid.

301
00:14:21,599 --> 00:14:25,647
You don't know how you're
gonna feel in five years."

302
00:14:25,690 --> 00:14:27,823
So I did it. I...

303
00:14:27,867 --> 00:14:30,870
just... did it.

304
00:14:30,913 --> 00:14:33,916
I guess...

305
00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,266
deep down...

306
00:14:36,310 --> 00:14:38,703
I wanted to have
the option.

307
00:14:41,097 --> 00:14:43,186
So did it happen?

308
00:14:43,230 --> 00:14:46,711
Did your... switch flip?

309
00:14:48,452 --> 00:14:51,238
I really don't know.

310
00:14:51,281 --> 00:14:53,588
How would you feel
if it did?

311
00:14:53,631 --> 00:14:55,807
I really don't know, either.

312
00:14:59,550 --> 00:15:01,596
I think...

313
00:15:01,639 --> 00:15:05,992
I need to give it some
thought before I answer.

314
00:15:07,036 --> 00:15:08,951
Okay.

315
00:15:08,995 --> 00:15:11,040
I think I do, too.

316
00:15:11,084 --> 00:15:12,694
Okay.

317
00:15:17,873 --> 00:15:19,614
[TV clicks on]

318
00:15:19,657 --> 00:15:22,138
[program continues indistinctly]

319
00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,056
♪

320
00:15:28,623 --> 00:15:32,279
So, this morning is just
gonna be about Mr. Colón

321
00:15:32,322 --> 00:15:34,672
trying to convince
the court to ignore

322
00:15:34,716 --> 00:15:36,761
what you told the police
when they arrested you.

323
00:15:36,805 --> 00:15:38,198
The jury's not even
gonna be there.

324
00:15:38,241 --> 00:15:39,939
Did I say something bad?

325
00:15:41,941 --> 00:15:45,683
Well, you said you did it,
and you said you'd do it again.

326
00:15:49,383 --> 00:15:51,646
Should I say
something different?

327
00:15:53,474 --> 00:15:55,258
BULL:
No. Just...

328
00:15:55,302 --> 00:15:56,694
do what you did yesterday:

329
00:15:56,738 --> 00:15:58,653
Don't speak
unless Mr. Colón asks you to.

330
00:15:58,696 --> 00:16:00,611
Just sit.

331
00:16:00,655 --> 00:16:02,657
We'll do the rest.

332
00:16:04,137 --> 00:16:06,356
BENNY:
Your Honor, the defense
would like to file

333
00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,055
a motion to suppress
Lucas Schwieger's statements

334
00:16:09,098 --> 00:16:11,057
to the police
at the time of his arrest.

335
00:16:11,100 --> 00:16:12,493
It's gonna be fine.

336
00:16:12,536 --> 00:16:13,798
JOSHI:
Your Honor, there are simply

337
00:16:13,842 --> 00:16:15,104
no grounds for this.

338
00:16:15,148 --> 00:16:17,150
The defendant made
a knowing and voluntary

339
00:16:17,193 --> 00:16:19,369
and intelligent waiver.

340
00:16:19,413 --> 00:16:21,676
"A knowing and voluntary
and intelligent waiver."

341
00:16:21,719 --> 00:16:23,939
Your Honor, prior to
my client's arrest,

342
00:16:23,983 --> 00:16:26,550
he had never even
seen a state trooper

343
00:16:26,594 --> 00:16:29,118
or a courtroom or, for
that matter, an attorney.

344
00:16:29,162 --> 00:16:31,599
He didn't even know
what an attorney was,

345
00:16:31,642 --> 00:16:33,731
didn't know he had rights
under the law.

346
00:16:33,775 --> 00:16:35,559
He didn't know anything.

347
00:16:35,603 --> 00:16:37,779
Nothing but what
his father told him,

348
00:16:37,822 --> 00:16:39,824
and his father,
who suffered from delusions

349
00:16:39,868 --> 00:16:43,437
and paranoia and a host
of other mental illnesses,

350
00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:44,742
basically told him

351
00:16:44,786 --> 00:16:47,789
that anyone who was not
one of the two of them

352
00:16:47,832 --> 00:16:49,530
was bad and needed to die.

353
00:16:49,573 --> 00:16:51,401
He never said that!
He-he just... he said

354
00:16:51,445 --> 00:16:53,664
it was our land,
and we had to kill or be killed!

355
00:16:53,708 --> 00:16:56,319
Lucas.My dad taught me how to carve.
He taught me how to fish.

356
00:16:56,363 --> 00:16:58,234
Lucas.He-he taught me how to shoot.

357
00:16:58,278 --> 00:16:59,757
Counselor, control your client.

358
00:16:59,801 --> 00:17:03,500
They came on our land.
It was kill or be killed!Lucas.

359
00:17:03,544 --> 00:17:04,588
[clears throat]

360
00:17:04,632 --> 00:17:07,156
My apologies, Your Honor.

361
00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,811
As you can clearly see...

362
00:17:09,854 --> 00:17:11,421
my client is a victim

363
00:17:11,465 --> 00:17:13,858
of a cruel
and sadistic upbringing,

364
00:17:13,902 --> 00:17:15,947
one that kept the world
away at all costs.

365
00:17:15,991 --> 00:17:18,124
He simply doesn't
know any better.

366
00:17:18,167 --> 00:17:20,213
He couldn't possibly
have been expected

367
00:17:20,256 --> 00:17:21,823
to understand his rights

368
00:17:21,866 --> 00:17:24,043
or the consequences of speaking
without an attorney present.

369
00:17:24,086 --> 00:17:25,870
LUCAS:
No, no, no, no, no!
They killed him!

370
00:17:25,914 --> 00:17:28,090
[gavel banging]They came on our land,
and they killed him!

371
00:17:28,134 --> 00:17:29,700
Lucas, stop.We shot at them,

372
00:17:29,744 --> 00:17:31,267
but they came on our land!JUDGE: Mr. Schwieger,

373
00:17:31,311 --> 00:17:33,530
I need you to stay
in your seat[Lucas continues talking]

374
00:17:33,574 --> 00:17:35,141
and to refrain from speaking.I didn't do nothing wrong!

375
00:17:35,184 --> 00:17:38,100
Officer, return Mr. Schwieger
to holding, please,

376
00:17:38,144 --> 00:17:39,580
immediately.

377
00:17:41,147 --> 00:17:44,367
It's okay. You need
to go with him.

378
00:17:44,411 --> 00:17:46,282
It's gonna be all right.

379
00:17:46,326 --> 00:17:47,936
Let's go.

380
00:17:47,979 --> 00:17:49,590
[sighs]

381
00:17:53,985 --> 00:17:56,901
[handcuffs clicking]

382
00:17:58,555 --> 00:18:01,602
This is one of those moments
in a judge's life.

383
00:18:01,645 --> 00:18:03,125
[door opens]

384
00:18:03,169 --> 00:18:04,866
[door closes]

385
00:18:04,909 --> 00:18:07,695
So... let's talk law.

386
00:18:07,738 --> 00:18:11,612
I certainly see the validity
of your argument, Mr. Colón.

387
00:18:11,655 --> 00:18:13,092
"Knowing and voluntary
and intelligent"

388
00:18:13,135 --> 00:18:14,963
hardly describes
what went on here.

389
00:18:15,006 --> 00:18:17,879
Your motion to suppress
Mr. Schwieger's statement

390
00:18:17,922 --> 00:18:20,447
to the police
from evidence is granted.

391
00:18:20,490 --> 00:18:22,362
However...

392
00:18:22,405 --> 00:18:24,364
I'm not sure the omission
of the statement

393
00:18:24,407 --> 00:18:27,802
will matter much to the jury
if you can't rein in

394
00:18:27,845 --> 00:18:29,847
your client's behavior.

395
00:18:29,891 --> 00:18:31,588
Yes, Your Honor.

396
00:18:31,632 --> 00:18:33,721
Thank you, Your Honor.

397
00:18:34,939 --> 00:18:37,725
BENNY:
What did we get
ourselves into here?

398
00:18:38,769 --> 00:18:40,336
He couldn't even
keep it together

399
00:18:40,380 --> 00:18:42,512
for a ten-minute
motion hearing.[phone vibrating]

400
00:18:42,556 --> 00:18:44,427
How is he supposed
to make it

401
00:18:44,471 --> 00:18:46,647
through eight hours
a day of court?

402
00:18:48,953 --> 00:18:50,912
May I ask who's calling?

403
00:18:50,955 --> 00:18:52,740
This is he.

404
00:18:54,307 --> 00:18:55,830
I see.

405
00:18:57,223 --> 00:18:58,920
I see.

406
00:18:58,963 --> 00:19:00,835
No, I'll be right over.

407
00:19:00,878 --> 00:19:03,229
I very much
appreciate the call.

408
00:19:03,272 --> 00:19:04,882
Everything all right?

409
00:19:06,971 --> 00:19:08,973
Lucas is in the hospital.

410
00:19:09,017 --> 00:19:10,975
After he returned
from court today,

411
00:19:11,019 --> 00:19:12,977
he tried to hang himself.

412
00:19:13,021 --> 00:19:16,024
[takes deep breath]

413
00:19:26,426 --> 00:19:28,384
Sorry I'm late.

414
00:19:28,428 --> 00:19:30,386
What kind of
shape is he in?

415
00:19:30,430 --> 00:19:32,693
Well, at the moment,
he's heavily sedated.

416
00:19:32,736 --> 00:19:34,695
One of the other inmates
heard him choking

417
00:19:34,738 --> 00:19:36,175
and called out
to the guards.

418
00:19:36,218 --> 00:19:39,134
They cut him down
and resuscitated him.

419
00:19:39,178 --> 00:19:42,093
The good news is he's
going to be fine.

420
00:19:43,530 --> 00:19:45,662
So, anybody venturing a guess
about when he'll be awake,

421
00:19:45,706 --> 00:19:47,708
when I can get him
back in court?

422
00:19:47,751 --> 00:19:49,623
They're guessing his
sedation wouldn't wear off

423
00:19:49,666 --> 00:19:51,277
until midday tomorrow.

424
00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:52,278
Oh.

425
00:19:52,321 --> 00:19:53,366
So...

426
00:19:53,409 --> 00:19:54,671
what now?

427
00:19:54,715 --> 00:19:56,673
Now we roar into the courtroom
tomorrow morning

428
00:19:56,717 --> 00:19:58,066
before the prosecution
is any wiser,

429
00:19:58,109 --> 00:20:00,547
and Benny files a motion
to try and keep all this

430
00:20:00,590 --> 00:20:01,896
from being introduced
into the record.

431
00:20:01,939 --> 00:20:04,377
Why? I mean, I'm no lawyer,

432
00:20:04,420 --> 00:20:06,292
but if I'm on the jury,

433
00:20:06,335 --> 00:20:07,771
doesn't the
idea that he

434
00:20:07,815 --> 00:20:11,210
almost tried to kill himself
make Lucas look...

435
00:20:11,253 --> 00:20:12,559
sympathetic?

436
00:20:12,602 --> 00:20:14,343
You'd think so, wouldn't you?

437
00:20:14,387 --> 00:20:16,693
But that's not how
the other side will spin it.

438
00:20:16,737 --> 00:20:18,086
They will claim it is proof

439
00:20:18,129 --> 00:20:20,262
Lucas felt guilty
about what he did,

440
00:20:20,306 --> 00:20:22,699
that he knows he did something
he shouldn't have,

441
00:20:22,743 --> 00:20:25,398
and since we're telling the jury
the exact opposite--

442
00:20:25,441 --> 00:20:26,964
that he didn't know
the difference

443
00:20:27,008 --> 00:20:28,531
between right and wrong--

444
00:20:28,575 --> 00:20:30,098
the trial would
effectively be over

445
00:20:30,141 --> 00:20:32,666
before we ever called a witness.

446
00:20:33,797 --> 00:20:35,756
BENNY:
That the suicide attempt is

447
00:20:35,799 --> 00:20:37,714
somehow connected to
this caseworker's death

448
00:20:37,758 --> 00:20:39,542
is pure speculation.

449
00:20:39,586 --> 00:20:41,631
I mean, look at everything this
young man has been through.

450
00:20:41,675 --> 00:20:43,067
He watched

451
00:20:43,111 --> 00:20:45,809
as his father was shot to death
right in front of him.

452
00:20:45,853 --> 00:20:46,810
He's been pulled away

453
00:20:46,854 --> 00:20:48,638
from the only home
he's ever known.

454
00:20:48,682 --> 00:20:51,554
He's spent this last week
either in a-a courtroom

455
00:20:51,598 --> 00:20:53,034
or a jail cell.

456
00:20:53,077 --> 00:20:55,297
If we are going to hypothesize,

457
00:20:55,341 --> 00:20:56,907
shouldn't we say

458
00:20:56,951 --> 00:20:59,867
that maybe depression is the
cause of... of this behavior?

459
00:20:59,910 --> 00:21:01,695
Your Honor,

460
00:21:01,738 --> 00:21:03,740
Dr. Jason Bull.

461
00:21:03,784 --> 00:21:05,699
I'm part of the defense team
and a doctor of psychology.

462
00:21:05,742 --> 00:21:08,092
I know who you are, Dr. Bull.

463
00:21:08,136 --> 00:21:09,572
Well,
in my professional opinion,

464
00:21:09,616 --> 00:21:11,531
it's likely that this child
tried to kill himself

465
00:21:11,574 --> 00:21:15,056
because the only man he knew,
the only man he trusted,

466
00:21:15,099 --> 00:21:17,363
his father,
was being referred to

467
00:21:17,406 --> 00:21:20,801
as the person most responsible
for his own death

468
00:21:20,844 --> 00:21:22,716
and his son's incarceration.

469
00:21:22,759 --> 00:21:25,545
Now, this man was the boy's God.
His North Star.

470
00:21:25,588 --> 00:21:28,635
Everything he knew about life
he learned from this man,

471
00:21:28,678 --> 00:21:31,333
and to hear that he could be
so profoundly wrong

472
00:21:31,377 --> 00:21:33,335
had to be cataclysmic for him

473
00:21:33,379 --> 00:21:36,730
and was surely reason enough
for him to consider

474
00:21:36,773 --> 00:21:39,298
taking his own life.

475
00:21:41,343 --> 00:21:43,867
I'm not sure what I believe
the boy was thinking.

476
00:21:43,911 --> 00:21:46,783
Respectfully,
that's for the jury to decide.

477
00:21:46,827 --> 00:21:48,785
And they won't get to
decide if we withhold

478
00:21:48,829 --> 00:21:51,484
the defendant's suicide
attempt from them.

479
00:21:51,527 --> 00:21:53,486
[sighs]

480
00:21:53,529 --> 00:21:55,488
I agree with the defense,

481
00:21:55,531 --> 00:21:58,317
and I find
the prejudicial impact

482
00:21:58,360 --> 00:22:01,320
outweighs the probative value.

483
00:22:01,363 --> 00:22:04,584
The attempted suicide will not
be allowed into evidence.

484
00:22:04,627 --> 00:22:06,455
When will the defendant

485
00:22:06,499 --> 00:22:08,283
be available
so that the trial can resume?

486
00:22:08,327 --> 00:22:10,459
We will get you the answer
to that question

487
00:22:10,503 --> 00:22:12,461
as soon as possible, Your Honor.

488
00:22:14,028 --> 00:22:15,638
WOMAN:
I am so sorry.

489
00:22:15,682 --> 00:22:18,337
It's amazing what he can
do in a split second.

490
00:22:18,380 --> 00:22:19,729
It's fine.

491
00:22:19,773 --> 00:22:21,209
BOY:
Here, Mommy.

492
00:22:24,734 --> 00:22:25,866
How old is he?

493
00:22:25,909 --> 00:22:27,302
22 months.

494
00:22:27,346 --> 00:22:29,217
[chuckles] Uh, almost two.

495
00:22:29,260 --> 00:22:31,350
Two years since I've had
a full night's sleep.

496
00:22:31,393 --> 00:22:32,742
Two years since
I've read a book.

497
00:22:32,786 --> 00:22:33,917
Two years since I've
been to the gym.

498
00:22:33,961 --> 00:22:35,397
You have kids?

499
00:22:36,746 --> 00:22:37,834
Yeah, I can tell.

500
00:22:37,878 --> 00:22:39,488
You lack frazzle.

501
00:22:41,316 --> 00:22:42,926
Bye.

502
00:22:46,887 --> 00:22:48,845
DANNY:
Well, turns out
the nearest neighbors

503
00:22:48,889 --> 00:22:50,934
are almost a quarter mile away.

504
00:22:50,978 --> 00:22:52,109
They seemed to know that
there was a teenager

505
00:22:52,153 --> 00:22:53,546
and an old man
living near them,

506
00:22:53,589 --> 00:22:55,548
but they said that they'd
sometimes hear gunfire,

507
00:22:55,591 --> 00:22:56,723
so they kept their distance.

508
00:22:56,766 --> 00:22:58,681
BULL:
Maybe there's someone

509
00:22:58,725 --> 00:23:00,422
from their past.

510
00:23:00,466 --> 00:23:02,859
He told me his mother
hung herself when he was little.

511
00:23:02,903 --> 00:23:04,731
I'll bet that's where
he got the idea.

512
00:23:04,774 --> 00:23:06,733
How horrible.BULL:
Maybe there's someone

513
00:23:06,776 --> 00:23:08,865
who knew her, who was friends
with her before she...

514
00:23:08,909 --> 00:23:10,563
BENNY: That
would be great.

515
00:23:10,606 --> 00:23:13,087
Someone we could
get to testify

516
00:23:13,130 --> 00:23:15,568
to how Lucas had a
normal life at one time

517
00:23:15,611 --> 00:23:18,266
and a completely isolated
one once the mother passed.

518
00:23:19,310 --> 00:23:21,008
I know it drives
the kid crazy,

519
00:23:21,051 --> 00:23:22,575
but we have to keep
hammering away

520
00:23:22,618 --> 00:23:24,141
at what a lunatic
the father was.

521
00:23:24,185 --> 00:23:26,753
What about the person who called
Child Protective Services?

522
00:23:26,796 --> 00:23:27,928
There's a reason why

523
00:23:27,971 --> 00:23:29,799
these folks went out
to take a look.

524
00:23:29,843 --> 00:23:31,453
Someone had to have
called in a complaint.

525
00:23:31,497 --> 00:23:33,629
Yep. A woman named
Yvonne Fowler.

526
00:23:33,673 --> 00:23:35,109
She won't take my calls,

527
00:23:35,152 --> 00:23:36,589
and she doesn't answer the door
when I visit her house,

528
00:23:36,632 --> 00:23:38,895
but I haven't given up.

529
00:23:38,939 --> 00:23:40,331
Well, I'm about to.
I'm exhausted.

530
00:23:40,375 --> 00:23:42,421
Court's back in session
first thing in the morning.

531
00:23:42,464 --> 00:23:44,118
You don't have
to tell me twice.

532
00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:47,991
[computer beeping]

533
00:23:49,645 --> 00:23:52,605
TAYLOR:
My son is obsessed with
sending me poop emojis.

534
00:23:52,648 --> 00:23:54,389
I wonder if it means something.

535
00:23:54,433 --> 00:23:56,260
You are always on duty,
aren't you?

536
00:23:56,304 --> 00:23:57,958
On duty?

537
00:23:58,001 --> 00:24:00,003
That's a joke, right?

538
00:24:01,831 --> 00:24:03,790
Hey, let me ask you something.

539
00:24:03,833 --> 00:24:06,009
How'd you know
you wanted to have kids?

540
00:24:06,053 --> 00:24:07,794
Was it something...

541
00:24:07,837 --> 00:24:09,709
you just felt in your soul,

542
00:24:09,752 --> 00:24:12,363
or did you just sense
it was the right time?

543
00:24:12,407 --> 00:24:14,888
Neither. It was more like
a three-martini night,

544
00:24:14,931 --> 00:24:16,759
and nine months later
we needed a crib.

545
00:24:16,803 --> 00:24:18,674
[chuckles softly]I mean,

546
00:24:18,718 --> 00:24:19,849
it wasn't planned,

547
00:24:19,893 --> 00:24:22,809
but wouldn't trade it
for anything.

548
00:24:22,852 --> 00:24:24,375
You getting an itch?

549
00:24:25,420 --> 00:24:27,509
Not even a tickle.

550
00:24:27,553 --> 00:24:29,511
Greg?

551
00:24:29,555 --> 00:24:31,513
He wants what I want.

552
00:24:31,557 --> 00:24:33,167
At least, that's what he says.

553
00:24:33,210 --> 00:24:35,343
And you don't know
what you want.

554
00:24:35,386 --> 00:24:37,345
No.

555
00:24:37,388 --> 00:24:39,129
I envy you.

556
00:24:39,173 --> 00:24:40,827
[chuckles]:
Really? Why?

557
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:43,133
It feels terrible
from in here.

558
00:24:43,177 --> 00:24:46,441
Because no matter what happens,
no matter what you do,

559
00:24:46,485 --> 00:24:48,661
it's gonna be wonderful.

560
00:24:50,663 --> 00:24:52,012
You're either gonna get
what you want,

561
00:24:52,055 --> 00:24:54,405
or you're gonna...
get what you want.

562
00:24:56,364 --> 00:24:58,322
[elevator bell chimes]

563
00:24:58,366 --> 00:25:02,022
The people would like to call
Yvonne Fowler to the stand.

564
00:25:02,065 --> 00:25:03,458
MARISSA:
Yvonne Fowler?

565
00:25:03,502 --> 00:25:06,026
Isn't she the one Danny said
called in the complaint

566
00:25:06,069 --> 00:25:07,288
to Child Services?

567
00:25:07,331 --> 00:25:09,725
Looks like she took
the prosecution's call.

568
00:25:11,945 --> 00:25:13,207
[whispers]:
I know her.

569
00:25:13,250 --> 00:25:14,730
JOSHI:
Ms. Fowler,

570
00:25:14,774 --> 00:25:17,428
could you please tell the
court how you came to meet

571
00:25:17,472 --> 00:25:19,039
Lucas Schwieger?

572
00:25:19,082 --> 00:25:22,477
I'm a nurse
at St. Benjamin's Hospital,

573
00:25:22,521 --> 00:25:25,872
which is about five miles from
where Norman and Lucas lived.

574
00:25:25,915 --> 00:25:28,439
A few months ago,
Norman showed up

575
00:25:28,483 --> 00:25:30,616
in the middle of the night
at the hospital with Lucas.

576
00:25:30,659 --> 00:25:34,054
Norman had walking pneumonia.

577
00:25:34,097 --> 00:25:35,621
Once we got Norman checked in,

578
00:25:35,664 --> 00:25:38,101
I realized
Lucas had nowhere to go.

579
00:25:38,145 --> 00:25:40,669
So I brought him
home with me,

580
00:25:40,713 --> 00:25:44,151
thinking it would just be
for a day or so.

581
00:25:44,194 --> 00:25:46,980
But one day turned into two,
two turned into a week,

582
00:25:47,023 --> 00:25:51,027
and Lucas ended up staying
with us for three weeks.

583
00:25:51,071 --> 00:25:52,638
And when you say "us"?Oh.

584
00:25:52,681 --> 00:25:54,117
My husband and two children.

585
00:25:54,161 --> 00:25:56,555
Boys. Seven and nine.

586
00:25:56,598 --> 00:25:58,731
So, when the defense
claims Mr. Schwieger

587
00:25:58,774 --> 00:26:01,777
spent his whole
life in isolation,

588
00:26:01,821 --> 00:26:03,257
that simply isn't true, is it?

589
00:26:03,300 --> 00:26:05,259
I don't know anything
about his whole life.

590
00:26:05,302 --> 00:26:06,913
Well, but you can
categorically state

591
00:26:06,956 --> 00:26:08,349
that he lived with you?

592
00:26:08,392 --> 00:26:11,004
Had running water,
home-cooked meals,

593
00:26:11,047 --> 00:26:14,094
slept in a warm bed for a period

594
00:26:14,137 --> 00:26:16,444
of three weeks?

595
00:26:16,487 --> 00:26:17,967
Yes, he did.

596
00:26:18,011 --> 00:26:19,578
Now, you're very
active in your church,

597
00:26:19,621 --> 00:26:21,057
aren't you, Ms. Fowler?

598
00:26:21,101 --> 00:26:22,363
Our whole family is.

599
00:26:22,406 --> 00:26:24,017
I teach Sunday school.

600
00:26:24,060 --> 00:26:27,411
During the three weeks
Lucas lived with you,

601
00:26:27,455 --> 00:26:29,022
did you ever take
him to church?

602
00:26:29,065 --> 00:26:30,414
Every Sunday.

603
00:26:30,458 --> 00:26:33,200
He said he'd never stepped
inside a church before,

604
00:26:33,243 --> 00:26:35,985
and he seemed to like it.

605
00:26:36,029 --> 00:26:39,162
The singing,
the shaking hands, the sermon.

606
00:26:39,206 --> 00:26:41,034
My boys showed him how

607
00:26:41,077 --> 00:26:43,602
to put money
in the plate.

608
00:26:43,645 --> 00:26:45,038
Hard to know
if this is good or bad

609
00:26:45,081 --> 00:26:46,474
for our side.

610
00:26:46,517 --> 00:26:48,563
Anything that suggests
Lucas knew right from wrong

611
00:26:48,607 --> 00:26:50,173
is not a help.JOSHI:
So, I'm curious.

612
00:26:50,217 --> 00:26:52,828
Did you ever take Mr. Schwieger
with you to Sunday school?

613
00:26:52,872 --> 00:26:53,960
Yes, I did once.

614
00:26:54,003 --> 00:26:55,178
Could you tell the
court what lessons

615
00:26:55,222 --> 00:26:56,702
were being taught that Sunday?

616
00:26:56,745 --> 00:26:59,139
We talked
about the Ten Commandments.

617
00:26:59,182 --> 00:27:01,837
And that particular week
was the fifth commandment:

618
00:27:01,881 --> 00:27:04,405
thou shalt not kill.

619
00:27:04,448 --> 00:27:06,363
[gallery murmuring]

620
00:27:07,451 --> 00:27:08,757
BULL:
Jury's slipping away.

621
00:27:08,801 --> 00:27:10,324
They're starting to sense

622
00:27:10,367 --> 00:27:11,891
that he's seen
enough of the world

623
00:27:11,934 --> 00:27:13,501
to know the difference
between right and wrong.

624
00:27:13,544 --> 00:27:14,720
You don't just shoot people

625
00:27:14,763 --> 00:27:16,417
when they show up in
front of your house.

626
00:27:16,460 --> 00:27:18,201
So, how'd it go in there?

627
00:27:19,246 --> 00:27:21,074
We've had better days.

628
00:27:21,117 --> 00:27:22,641
You still interested in making
the father the villain?

629
00:27:22,684 --> 00:27:25,905
I'm not sure it much matters
to the jury at this point.

630
00:27:25,948 --> 00:27:27,820
Maybe that's because
they haven't heard

631
00:27:27,863 --> 00:27:29,909
the really bad stuff.Really bad stuff? Like what?

632
00:27:29,952 --> 00:27:31,867
Like, how about
telling a child his whole life

633
00:27:31,911 --> 00:27:35,131
that his mother is dead
when she's actually alive.

634
00:27:42,356 --> 00:27:43,487
WOMAN:
You good if I smoke?

635
00:27:43,531 --> 00:27:44,575
[match lights]

636
00:27:49,015 --> 00:27:50,973
Anybody thirsty?

637
00:27:51,017 --> 00:27:53,541
We're fine. We just wanted
to ask you a few questions

638
00:27:53,584 --> 00:27:56,544
about your ex-husband, Norman,
and your son, Lucas.

639
00:27:56,587 --> 00:27:59,286
Oh, well, I mean,
I'll tell you everything I know.

640
00:28:00,330 --> 00:28:02,376
Did you know that Norman died?

641
00:28:02,419 --> 00:28:04,813
Shot by a state trooper.

642
00:28:04,857 --> 00:28:08,425
And that your son, Lucas,
is on trial for murder?

643
00:28:08,469 --> 00:28:09,862
[snorts]

644
00:28:09,905 --> 00:28:11,864
No, I didn't know that.

645
00:28:11,907 --> 00:28:14,040
You aware that your son
thinks you're dead?

646
00:28:14,083 --> 00:28:16,085
Well, I'm not surprised.

647
00:28:16,129 --> 00:28:17,696
You ever meet his father?

648
00:28:17,739 --> 00:28:18,871
Never had the pleasure.

649
00:28:18,914 --> 00:28:20,220
What can you tell
me about him?

650
00:28:21,264 --> 00:28:23,310
Uh, he's crazy.

651
00:28:23,353 --> 00:28:24,746
I just finally said,

652
00:28:24,790 --> 00:28:27,401
"I'm gonna take Lucas
and leave."

653
00:28:27,444 --> 00:28:29,098
And how'd Norman
feel about that?

654
00:28:29,142 --> 00:28:31,231
Oh, that night
I woke up

655
00:28:31,274 --> 00:28:33,363
and find Norman on top of me
with a pistol in my mouth.

656
00:28:33,407 --> 00:28:35,409
And he said if I ever tried
to take the boy,

657
00:28:35,452 --> 00:28:37,411
he was gonna kill both of us.

658
00:28:38,455 --> 00:28:39,674
How old was Lucas?

659
00:28:39,718 --> 00:28:42,155
He'd just turned three.

660
00:28:42,198 --> 00:28:45,375
So, that night,
the second he fell asleep,

661
00:28:45,419 --> 00:28:47,508
I was out the window.

662
00:28:47,551 --> 00:28:49,553
I didn't even kiss
my baby good-bye.

663
00:28:51,164 --> 00:28:53,122
I know it's been a long time,

664
00:28:53,166 --> 00:28:54,733
but we need your
son's jury to hear

665
00:28:54,776 --> 00:28:56,735
what it was like to
live with that man,

666
00:28:56,778 --> 00:28:59,868
to hear the story
you just told us.

667
00:28:59,912 --> 00:29:01,652
Yeah, I don't think so.

668
00:29:01,696 --> 00:29:03,393
I got a really busy schedule.

669
00:29:04,438 --> 00:29:06,701
You have a drug problem,
Mrs. Schwieger?

670
00:29:06,745 --> 00:29:08,311
It's not a problem for me.

671
00:29:08,355 --> 00:29:09,922
Okay, I'm gonna step outside.

672
00:29:09,965 --> 00:29:11,358
She's gonna stay
in here with you.

673
00:29:11,401 --> 00:29:13,273
I want you to put on
the closest thing you have

674
00:29:13,316 --> 00:29:14,491
to a decent dress,

675
00:29:14,535 --> 00:29:16,102
and then we are going
to the courthouse.

676
00:29:16,145 --> 00:29:18,321
And don't try going
out the window.

677
00:29:18,365 --> 00:29:20,367
She's ex-FBI.

678
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,764
She could be anybody.

679
00:29:25,807 --> 00:29:27,069
But she isn't.

680
00:29:27,113 --> 00:29:29,202
Can I smoke?
No.

681
00:29:31,204 --> 00:29:33,162
She's gonna tell the jury

682
00:29:33,206 --> 00:29:35,208
what life was like with
your father before she left.

683
00:29:35,251 --> 00:29:36,600
And you're not gonna like
hearing it,

684
00:29:36,644 --> 00:29:39,125
but I need you to promise
that you will not react.

685
00:29:39,168 --> 00:29:41,518
No noises. No faces.

686
00:29:41,562 --> 00:29:44,565
No standing. No talking.

687
00:29:46,393 --> 00:29:48,351
Don't worry, I
won't do nothing.

688
00:29:51,485 --> 00:29:53,313
I don't even know her.

689
00:29:53,356 --> 00:29:55,315
BRENDA:
He knocked me around

690
00:29:55,358 --> 00:29:57,230
all the time.

691
00:29:57,273 --> 00:29:58,840
Wouldn't let us go out.

692
00:29:58,884 --> 00:30:00,624
He didn't trust anyone.

693
00:30:00,668 --> 00:30:03,192
Objection, Your Honor.
What does any of this have to do

694
00:30:03,236 --> 00:30:05,194
with whether or not Lucas
Schwieger shot a police officer?

695
00:30:05,238 --> 00:30:07,109
BENNY:
If it pleases the court,

696
00:30:07,153 --> 00:30:09,242
in order to understand
what happened

697
00:30:09,285 --> 00:30:11,418
the day of the shooting,
we have to understand

698
00:30:11,461 --> 00:30:13,768
what kind of environment
Lucas came from.

699
00:30:13,812 --> 00:30:15,639
Overruled.

700
00:30:15,683 --> 00:30:17,337
BENNY:
Now, you were saying...

701
00:30:17,380 --> 00:30:19,643
He just got stranger
and stranger.

702
00:30:19,687 --> 00:30:23,212
He-he stopped letting me
leave the cabin at all.

703
00:30:23,256 --> 00:30:25,824
He... he rigged up alarms

704
00:30:25,867 --> 00:30:27,564
so that he would know
if somebody came and went.

705
00:30:27,608 --> 00:30:29,175
He said that
the government

706
00:30:29,218 --> 00:30:30,698
was watching him
from satellites.

707
00:30:30,741 --> 00:30:32,482
From space?

708
00:30:32,526 --> 00:30:36,051
Yeah. Sometimes at
night he'd go outside,

709
00:30:36,095 --> 00:30:37,879
and-and he'd scream at them.

710
00:30:37,923 --> 00:30:39,141
He'd shoot his guns
up in the air.

711
00:30:39,185 --> 00:30:41,230
I mean, I was scared
all the time.

712
00:30:41,274 --> 00:30:42,710
It was no way to live.

713
00:30:42,753 --> 00:30:45,887
And it probably wasn't any
better for Lucas, either.

714
00:30:45,931 --> 00:30:48,324
Thank you. No further questions,
Your Honor.

715
00:30:48,368 --> 00:30:50,283
MARISSA:
Well, that made an impact.

716
00:30:50,326 --> 00:30:52,198
No reds have flipped green,
but I can see

717
00:30:52,241 --> 00:30:54,678
that their attitudes
about Lucas are in flux.

718
00:30:54,722 --> 00:30:58,117
For the first time,
they're sympathizing with him.

719
00:30:59,683 --> 00:31:02,251
Let's take a moment
and talk about your past.

720
00:31:02,295 --> 00:31:03,470
Are you

721
00:31:03,513 --> 00:31:04,601
the same Brenda Schwieger

722
00:31:04,645 --> 00:31:07,082
who was convicted
of forging checks?

723
00:31:07,126 --> 00:31:10,346
Sentenced
to court-appointed rehab twice?

724
00:31:10,390 --> 00:31:12,914
Hasn't had a full-time
job in almost 20 years?

725
00:31:12,958 --> 00:31:14,611
And you expect this jury

726
00:31:14,655 --> 00:31:16,004
to believe anything
you have to say?

727
00:31:16,048 --> 00:31:17,223
You got me.

728
00:31:17,266 --> 00:31:18,920
I don't even want to be here.

729
00:31:18,964 --> 00:31:21,357
I just was told that I had to.

730
00:31:21,401 --> 00:31:23,011
But I'll tell you this.

731
00:31:23,055 --> 00:31:25,796
My husband ruined me.

732
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,191
I used to be a human being.

733
00:31:29,235 --> 00:31:32,281
So whatever kind of person
Lucas has become,

734
00:31:32,325 --> 00:31:35,937
trust me, it's because
his father got him there.

735
00:31:35,981 --> 00:31:38,374
If my little baby
has become a killer,

736
00:31:38,418 --> 00:31:40,811
it's because his father
turned him into one.

737
00:31:48,645 --> 00:31:50,865
BENNY:
She was good.

738
00:31:50,909 --> 00:31:52,736
You think it was enough?

739
00:31:52,780 --> 00:31:54,825
No.

740
00:31:54,869 --> 00:31:56,218
But I have an idea.

741
00:31:56,262 --> 00:31:58,220
DANNY:
So these are of

742
00:31:58,264 --> 00:32:00,353
the inside of the cabin.

743
00:32:00,396 --> 00:32:01,615
As you can see,
it's pretty spartan.

744
00:32:01,658 --> 00:32:02,921
BULL:
You can use
these to show

745
00:32:02,964 --> 00:32:05,053
the jury how little stimulation
was available.

746
00:32:05,097 --> 00:32:08,100
No books, no
radio, no TV.

747
00:32:08,143 --> 00:32:10,667
Obviously,
no computers.

748
00:32:10,711 --> 00:32:13,279
And most importantly,
no outlets for learning.

749
00:32:13,322 --> 00:32:16,543
All right, so these are
the air horns and the trip wires

750
00:32:16,586 --> 00:32:18,197
Norman installed
around the property

751
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:19,763
to ward
against intruders.

752
00:32:19,807 --> 00:32:20,982
BENNY:
Got it.

753
00:32:21,026 --> 00:32:22,853
Helps demonstrate the paranoia.

754
00:32:22,897 --> 00:32:25,073
Fear of outsiders,
the isolation.

755
00:32:25,117 --> 00:32:26,205
Ready for the
next series?

756
00:32:26,248 --> 00:32:28,337
Fire when ready.

757
00:32:32,385 --> 00:32:34,343
What are we looking at here?

758
00:32:34,387 --> 00:32:36,345
DANNY:
It's a homemade
target range.

759
00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:38,869
Metal head
and torso silhouettes.

760
00:32:38,913 --> 00:32:40,828
By the way,
the police dusted all of this.

761
00:32:40,871 --> 00:32:42,482
The guns, the targets.

762
00:32:42,525 --> 00:32:45,398
Lucas's fingerprints
were everywhere.

763
00:32:45,441 --> 00:32:47,269
His father's? Norman's?

764
00:32:47,313 --> 00:32:49,663
Not so much.

765
00:32:50,707 --> 00:32:52,448
Wow.

766
00:32:52,492 --> 00:32:53,972
All those bull's-eyes.

767
00:32:54,015 --> 00:32:56,322
One on top of the other.
Looks like

768
00:32:56,365 --> 00:32:57,584
Lucas was quite the shot.

769
00:32:57,627 --> 00:32:59,716
How far away would you say
the targets were

770
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,110
from the stand where Lucas
would have been shooting from?

771
00:33:02,154 --> 00:33:04,330
Had to be at least 50 yards.BENNY:
I'm not sure

772
00:33:04,373 --> 00:33:07,289
we really want the jury looking
at this target range.

773
00:33:07,333 --> 00:33:09,422
I mean, it's kind of horrific.

774
00:33:09,465 --> 00:33:11,641
Kind of like looking
at a murderer's training ground.

775
00:33:11,685 --> 00:33:13,992
Actually, I disagree.

776
00:33:14,035 --> 00:33:16,385
I think this is exactly
what the jury needs to see.

777
00:33:16,429 --> 00:33:19,214
Okay. Well, how are we
gonna get all this in?

778
00:33:19,258 --> 00:33:20,476
Who's on the stand?

779
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,304
Can't just stand up
in front of a court

780
00:33:22,348 --> 00:33:24,306
and show photos
without any context.

781
00:33:24,350 --> 00:33:26,308
We need somebody
to authenticate them,

782
00:33:26,352 --> 00:33:28,571
to say that this is really
where Lucas lived,

783
00:33:28,615 --> 00:33:30,486
that this is really
what it looked like.

784
00:33:30,530 --> 00:33:32,532
Who are we gonna
get to do that?

785
00:33:35,230 --> 00:33:37,493
I was thinking... Lucas.

786
00:33:46,502 --> 00:33:47,634
Good morning, Lucas.

787
00:33:47,677 --> 00:33:49,723
First time
in a witness box?

788
00:33:49,766 --> 00:33:51,942
Yes.

789
00:33:51,986 --> 00:33:55,424
Well, you know
how this works, right?

790
00:33:55,468 --> 00:33:58,514
They made you raise your
right hand a moment ago, and

791
00:33:58,558 --> 00:33:59,950
you promised
to tell the truth.

792
00:33:59,994 --> 00:34:01,126
You understand that,
don't you?

793
00:34:01,169 --> 00:34:03,128
Yes.

794
00:34:03,171 --> 00:34:04,738
All right.

795
00:34:04,781 --> 00:34:07,523
Now... [clears throat]

796
00:34:07,567 --> 00:34:09,960
Does this picture...?

797
00:34:10,004 --> 00:34:12,833
Does this look
familiar to you?

798
00:34:12,876 --> 00:34:14,835
Does it look
like a place you know?

799
00:34:14,878 --> 00:34:16,837
Yes.

800
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,665
It's behind my house.

801
00:34:18,708 --> 00:34:21,102
BENNY:
It's a target range.

802
00:34:21,146 --> 00:34:23,365
Right? A place where...

803
00:34:23,409 --> 00:34:25,585
people practice shooting guns?

804
00:34:25,628 --> 00:34:27,630
Yes.

805
00:34:27,674 --> 00:34:29,154
You shoot there a lot?

806
00:34:29,197 --> 00:34:31,112
Pretty much almost every day.

807
00:34:31,156 --> 00:34:32,896
BENNY:
All right.

808
00:34:32,940 --> 00:34:36,248
Now how far was that target
from where you shot?

809
00:34:37,249 --> 00:34:38,815
Uh, I-I don't get you.

810
00:34:38,859 --> 00:34:42,341
How many steps? I mean,
if you had to take a guess.

811
00:34:42,384 --> 00:34:44,343
Um...

812
00:34:44,386 --> 00:34:46,562
at least a hundred.

813
00:34:46,606 --> 00:34:47,998
Okay.

814
00:34:48,042 --> 00:34:51,089
And how far away from the house
was the state trooper

815
00:34:51,132 --> 00:34:53,656
and the lady
he brought with him?

816
00:34:53,700 --> 00:34:55,658
The one your dad shot?

817
00:34:55,702 --> 00:34:57,660
Maybe...

818
00:34:57,704 --> 00:34:59,923
20 steps.

819
00:34:59,967 --> 00:35:01,316
Never really counted.

820
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,405
Objection. Relevance?

821
00:35:03,449 --> 00:35:06,887
If the court would just indulge
me for a moment more, please?

822
00:35:06,930 --> 00:35:08,062
Overruled.

823
00:35:08,106 --> 00:35:10,108
Thank you, Your Honor.

824
00:35:10,151 --> 00:35:13,111
Do you recognize
this picture?

825
00:35:13,154 --> 00:35:15,374
That's what I shoot at.

826
00:35:15,417 --> 00:35:17,027
BENNY:
So these are your bullet holes?

827
00:35:17,071 --> 00:35:18,246
LUCAS:
I'm the only one

828
00:35:18,290 --> 00:35:19,508
who shoots there.

829
00:35:19,552 --> 00:35:21,423
Huh.

830
00:35:21,467 --> 00:35:26,167
So if you shoot at these targets
pretty much every day,

831
00:35:26,211 --> 00:35:29,910
and they're at least
a hundred feet away,

832
00:35:29,953 --> 00:35:32,260
why'd you shoot
that state trooper in the leg?

833
00:35:32,304 --> 00:35:34,132
[gallery murmuring]

834
00:35:40,007 --> 00:35:42,314
The witness will answer
the question.Oh, that's all right.

835
00:35:42,357 --> 00:35:44,359
I'll rephrase.

836
00:35:44,403 --> 00:35:47,406
Didn't your father tell you,
"It's kill or be killed"?

837
00:35:49,973 --> 00:35:52,106
JUDGE:
Again,

838
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:53,368
the witness will answer
the question.

839
00:35:53,412 --> 00:35:55,196
I'll withdraw the question.
Let me ask another.

840
00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:57,590
Do you recognize the phrase,

841
00:35:57,633 --> 00:36:00,810
"thou shalt not kill"?[mouthing]

842
00:36:00,854 --> 00:36:02,986
Have you heard that before?

843
00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:04,988
Yes.

844
00:36:05,032 --> 00:36:06,599
Sunday school, right?

845
00:36:06,642 --> 00:36:08,470
Yes.

846
00:36:08,514 --> 00:36:10,124
And did it go
through your mind

847
00:36:10,168 --> 00:36:12,822
when your father told you,
"Kill or be killed"?

848
00:36:17,610 --> 00:36:19,612
Lucas?

849
00:36:22,267 --> 00:36:24,094
[quietly]:
Yes.

850
00:36:24,138 --> 00:36:27,054
That's why you shot
that state trooper in the leg

851
00:36:27,097 --> 00:36:29,491
and not through
the head or the heart

852
00:36:29,535 --> 00:36:32,233
like you've been practicing
your whole life to do?

853
00:36:32,277 --> 00:36:34,975
[voice breaking]:
Yes.

854
00:36:35,018 --> 00:36:36,977
[gallery murmuring]

855
00:36:37,020 --> 00:36:38,239
BENNY:
Thank you, Your Honor.

856
00:36:38,283 --> 00:36:39,762
No further questions.

857
00:36:39,806 --> 00:36:42,112
JUDGE:
Let's take a
20-minute recess.

858
00:36:48,510 --> 00:36:50,120
Did you bring me in here
to gloat?

859
00:36:50,164 --> 00:36:52,166
I brought you in here
to see if we could cut a deal.

860
00:36:52,210 --> 00:36:54,255
A deal?

861
00:36:54,299 --> 00:36:56,214
Why would you want
to make a deal?

862
00:36:56,257 --> 00:36:58,259
The jury is almost
certainly going to vote

863
00:36:58,303 --> 00:36:59,478
to let the boy go free.

864
00:36:59,521 --> 00:37:02,394
Because I'm not
necessarily convinced

865
00:37:02,437 --> 00:37:04,309
that that's
the best thing for him.

866
00:37:04,352 --> 00:37:06,398
[Bull sighs]

867
00:37:06,441 --> 00:37:09,096
Seemed like you guys
were talking for an hour.

868
00:37:09,139 --> 00:37:10,228
Where's he going?

869
00:37:10,271 --> 00:37:12,273
To tell the judge
the good news.

870
00:37:12,317 --> 00:37:13,753
We're done.

871
00:37:13,796 --> 00:37:15,450
No more jail,
no more court.

872
00:37:15,494 --> 00:37:18,236
Yvonne,

873
00:37:18,279 --> 00:37:22,109
the woman you stayed with
for three weeks, has agreed

874
00:37:22,152 --> 00:37:25,286
to let you live with her and
her family until you're 18.

875
00:37:25,330 --> 00:37:27,288
It's what we
call "probation."

876
00:37:27,332 --> 00:37:30,204
It's kind of like a test

877
00:37:30,248 --> 00:37:33,294
to see if you can
follow the rules, and...

878
00:37:33,338 --> 00:37:35,165
you don't have
any problems.

879
00:37:35,209 --> 00:37:37,559
And the A.D.A. and I
would also like you

880
00:37:37,603 --> 00:37:40,910
to see Dr. Statton
once a week.

881
00:37:40,954 --> 00:37:42,651
You remember her
from the hospital?

882
00:37:42,695 --> 00:37:44,044
She introduced us?

883
00:37:44,087 --> 00:37:45,350
She's a good doctor.

884
00:37:45,393 --> 00:37:47,874
A doctor for
your feelings.

885
00:37:47,917 --> 00:37:49,963
Someone for you
to talk to.

886
00:37:51,312 --> 00:37:52,792
Okay.

887
00:37:52,835 --> 00:37:54,402
That's it?

888
00:37:54,446 --> 00:37:55,925
It's a pretty terrific deal.

889
00:37:55,969 --> 00:37:57,231
Nice work.

890
00:37:57,275 --> 00:38:00,495
I didn't do it.
Lucas did.

891
00:38:00,539 --> 00:38:02,802
He got on the stand
and told the truth.

892
00:38:02,845 --> 00:38:05,283
But I can't go home?

893
00:38:06,414 --> 00:38:08,242
Not to your old home, no.

894
00:38:10,288 --> 00:38:12,246
It was never really yours.

895
00:38:12,290 --> 00:38:15,510
Your father
was a squatter.

896
00:38:15,554 --> 00:38:17,338
A person who
lives someplace,

897
00:38:17,382 --> 00:38:20,080
but doesn't
really own it.

898
00:38:20,123 --> 00:38:21,690
That's why he was
so protective of it.

899
00:38:21,734 --> 00:38:24,867
The guns, the alarms.

900
00:38:24,911 --> 00:38:27,435
He knew he wasn't
supposed to be there.

901
00:38:27,479 --> 00:38:29,002
I'm sorry.

902
00:38:32,179 --> 00:38:34,312
[clears throat]
The judge agreed.

903
00:38:38,838 --> 00:38:41,188
Does this mean
I can go to school now?

904
00:38:41,231 --> 00:38:43,277
I'm sure we can
figure something out.

905
00:38:43,321 --> 00:38:45,279
Learn to read?

906
00:38:45,323 --> 00:38:48,369
Oh, I'm sure
whatever school you end up at,

907
00:38:48,413 --> 00:38:50,589
they'd love
to help you with that.

908
00:38:50,632 --> 00:38:53,896
Hey, you ever been
to a restaurant?

909
00:38:53,940 --> 00:38:55,550
What's that?

910
00:38:55,594 --> 00:38:59,380
Well, you ever been
to a celebration?

911
00:38:59,424 --> 00:39:00,947
I-I don't know.

912
00:39:00,990 --> 00:39:02,992
What does one look like?

913
00:39:03,036 --> 00:39:05,386
Oh, you've got your whole life
ahead of you.

914
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:07,388
[Bull laughs]So much great stuff.

915
00:39:11,653 --> 00:39:13,655
Ask me about work today.

916
00:39:16,354 --> 00:39:18,312
Okay.

917
00:39:18,356 --> 00:39:20,140
How was work today?

918
00:39:20,183 --> 00:39:22,011
We've been working on this case.

919
00:39:22,055 --> 00:39:24,405
This kid-- he's, like, 16.

920
00:39:24,449 --> 00:39:27,321
Completely lost
the parent lottery.

921
00:39:27,365 --> 00:39:29,323
Up on murder charges.

922
00:39:29,367 --> 00:39:30,759
Mother's a junkie.

923
00:39:30,803 --> 00:39:32,805
Father was a delusional paranoid

924
00:39:32,848 --> 00:39:34,546
who thought
the world was coming to an end.

925
00:39:35,590 --> 00:39:37,331
And your point?

926
00:39:38,724 --> 00:39:40,682
It scares me.

927
00:39:40,726 --> 00:39:43,119
His parents

928
00:39:43,163 --> 00:39:44,643
must have been in love
once upon a time,

929
00:39:44,686 --> 00:39:46,732
or at the very least, in lust.

930
00:39:47,820 --> 00:39:51,432
This kid was... born a baby.

931
00:39:51,476 --> 00:39:54,348
A cute, beautiful baby.

932
00:39:55,871 --> 00:39:58,308
How did it all go so wrong?

933
00:39:58,352 --> 00:40:00,528
If God is so smart,

934
00:40:00,572 --> 00:40:04,402
why does he or she let people
like that have children,

935
00:40:04,445 --> 00:40:06,404
let alone be attracted
to each other?

936
00:40:06,447 --> 00:40:09,885
You are so much smarter
than that question suggests.

937
00:40:09,929 --> 00:40:11,583
Maybe I'm not.

938
00:40:13,411 --> 00:40:16,849
Maybe I'm not really any of
the things I like to think I am.

939
00:40:16,892 --> 00:40:19,286
I mean...

940
00:40:19,329 --> 00:40:21,331
look at my parents.

941
00:40:22,594 --> 00:40:24,596
Look at what happened to me.

942
00:40:27,381 --> 00:40:32,342
So this is how we're gonna
make this momentous decision.

943
00:40:32,386 --> 00:40:36,216
In the middle of the
night, half asleep.

944
00:40:37,739 --> 00:40:39,741
I don't know.

945
00:40:40,742 --> 00:40:42,744
Do you have an opinion?

946
00:40:44,006 --> 00:40:46,008
Actually, I do.

947
00:40:49,708 --> 00:40:53,059
I'm as frightened as
you are... of failing.

948
00:40:53,102 --> 00:40:57,324
I'm... terrified

949
00:40:57,367 --> 00:41:00,414
at the prospect of letting
another human being down.

950
00:41:02,111 --> 00:41:04,723
But there's also a part of me
that thinks it would be scary

951
00:41:04,766 --> 00:41:07,377
and dangerous if I
didn't have those fears.

952
00:41:10,206 --> 00:41:12,208
So what are you saying?

953
00:41:14,297 --> 00:41:17,649
I'm saying...

954
00:41:17,692 --> 00:41:21,043
your parents robbed
you of so much.

955
00:41:22,305 --> 00:41:24,438
Don't let them
rob you of this.

956
00:41:25,613 --> 00:41:27,615
This choice.

957
00:41:29,574 --> 00:41:32,577
If you don't want to
have a baby, let's not.

958
00:41:32,620 --> 00:41:36,102
But if you're afraid of having a
baby because of your parents...

959
00:41:38,452 --> 00:41:40,541
....then I'm gonna
force you to have a baby

960
00:41:40,585 --> 00:41:41,716
just to prove you wrong.

961
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,718
[laughs]

962
00:41:43,762 --> 00:41:46,155
You and what army?

963
00:41:46,199 --> 00:41:48,201
Mm. Come here.

964
00:41:50,203 --> 00:41:52,074
I want to start
right now.

965
00:41:52,118 --> 00:41:54,294
You understand
this is not how this works.

966
00:41:54,337 --> 00:41:56,818
We go to an office.

967
00:41:56,862 --> 00:41:58,516
We don't do
it like this?

968
00:41:58,559 --> 00:41:59,734
Well, they show you porn.

969
00:41:59,778 --> 00:42:02,781
Porn? Really?

970
00:42:02,824 --> 00:42:04,913
Wow.

971
00:42:04,957 --> 00:42:07,220
The things we do
for our kids.

972
00:42:07,263 --> 00:42:09,265
[laughs]

973
00:42:21,277 --> 00:42:23,279
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00:42:27,283 --> 00:42:29,285
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