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Is that all you got?
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I was hoping to trade these
for some coffee beans.
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You hungry?
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Yeah.
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Get some water.
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I'll make lunch.
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You know what to do, son.
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Yes, sir.
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Remember...
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this is our land.
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It's kill or be killed.
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Mr. Schwieger. State Police.
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I need you to step outside.
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Now.
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Kill or be killed.
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So where are we going?
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What are we doing?
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And who is this wonder of
wonders I just have to meet?
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What did you call him?
A walking anachronism?
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Lucas Schwieger, 16.
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He never attended school.
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He lives a completely
sheltered existence
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in a cabin with no
electricity or running water
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in the woods above
Sullivan County.
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His father, whom
he lived with,
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described himself as
a radical survivalist.
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He was, as far as I can tell,
the only person
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that Lucas had any
sustained contact with
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during his 16
years of life.
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Wow.
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A caseworker with
Child Protective Services
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heard about him, grew concerned,
came to pay him a visit...
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escorted by
the New York State Police.
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"Father and son opened fire,
killing the caseworker
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"and wounding
the State Police officer,
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who fired back,
killing the father."
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Ballistics indicate that while
Lucas shot the police officer,
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wounding him in the leg,
he didn't actually kill anyone.
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It was the father's gun
that did that.
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Nonetheless, he's being charged
as an adult for murder
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as part of a joint venture.
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Does he even understand
what's going on? The charges?
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That they want him
to stand trial?
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They want to punish him
for what happened?
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He didn't even understand
what an attorney was
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until I explained it to him.
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You know, it's not like
he's mentally impaired.
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In fact, in the little time
I've spent with him,
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he seems innately intelligent.
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But his only understanding
of the world
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is what's been taught
to him by his father.
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Well, obviously,
some doctor, somewhere,
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deemed him fit
to stand trial.
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You should also know
that Lucas did speak
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to the police
on the record.
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He already admitted
he shot the officer.
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Expressed clear intent.
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Insisted he would
do it again.
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He's a friend.
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My name's Dr. Jason Bull.
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Dr. Statton wanted me
to meet you.
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See if I could help you.
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Doctor, huh?
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I'm not sick.
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No. I'm not the doctor
that helps sick people.
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I'm the doctor that helps people
when they get into trouble,
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when they have to go to court.
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Do you know what court is?
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Did Dr. Statton explain
about court to you?
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Let me start over.
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First of all,
I'm sorry about your father.
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They had better guns.
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How about your mom?
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Do you ever see her?
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Is there any way
I could talk to her?
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No.
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She hung herself.
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It was when I was a little kid.
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I'm sorry.
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Lucas...
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do you understand
you could spend
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the rest of your life
in here, in jail?
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And I'm guessing you don't
want that. Am I right?
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I just want to go home.
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And that's what we want to try
and make happen.
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You all right
with that?
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I guess so.
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All right.
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Let me get back to my office,
get this started.
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I'm sure I'm gonna want
to talk to you some more.
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In the meantime, is there
anything I can bring you?
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Anything you miss?
Maybe some books?
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Well, if you think
of anything.
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*BULL (2016)*
Season 03 Episode17
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*BULL (2016)*
Episode Title: "Parental Guidance"
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This is Lucas Schwieger.
16 years old.
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Charged with murder in the death
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of a New York State
Children's Services caseworker.
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Yeah. We all got Bull's e-mail
about this kid.
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He can't read. Barely speaks.
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Lived with his dad off the grid
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his whole life.
Oh, and let's not forget
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he confessed to the crime.
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So I'll just say it.
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Can we even help this boy?
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We've got the surviving
police officer's testimony.
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Plus the confession.
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And this client
doesn't seem like he's
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in a position to really help
his own defense.
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And what kind of narrative?
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What kind of story
can you tell a jury
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that makes it okay to ambush
a caseworker and a trooper?
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Bull wants to mount
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a defense based on
persuasive coercion.
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Our position will be that,
because of Lucas's sheltered
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and isolated upbringing, he
didn't know what he was doing,
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other than following
the instructions of,
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quite literally, the only person
in his life: his father.
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Norman Schwieger was delusional
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and paranoid and controlling.
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He was convinced
that humankind was on the verge
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of a cataclysmic end and thought
the only way to survive
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was to live a completely
self-sustaining life
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away from the scrutiny
of other human beings.
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And he forced his son
to live the same way...
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cloistered on their
small plot of land,
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which they didn't even
really own,
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which Norman rigged
with trip-wired alarms
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to warn them of any trespassers.
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Okay. I'll ask.
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What is persuasive coercion?
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Basically, Bull wants to argue
for all intents and purposes
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that Lucas's father exercised
a kind of mind control over him.
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Denied the boy a voice
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in any decision-making
of any kind.
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His job was simply to do
what he was told.
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And as a result,
he had no experience choosing
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between right and wrong,
no experience choosing anything.
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The problem is,
it's an affirmative defense.
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Hi. Zero years
of law school here.
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Though I did watch a lot
of Ally McBealback in the '90s.
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So what does that mean?
"Affirmative defense"?
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That means that
going in, we admit
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to what the prosecution
claims he did.
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And now it puts the burden on us
to present evidence
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that will negate
his having done it.
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Basically, yes, he shot
at those people, but no,
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given the circumstances,
it wasn't his fault.
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And how do we make
that argument?
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Is there anyone left to testify?
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With Lucas's father dead,
it leaves us without one witness
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who can tell the jury about the
crazy way that Lucas grew up.
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And based on Bull's e-mails,
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it's highly unlikely
that we'll be able
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to put Lucas himself
on the stand.
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Wait a second.
Someone saw something,
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because Child
Protective Services
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were sent to this house.
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I know those calls
are confidential,
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but I'll start digging and see
if I can find out who did it.
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You know what the
trick is gonna be?
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Trying to get a jury
to connect with this kid
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despite everything
about his life
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being vastly different
from their own.
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I can't wait to hear
what the big guy has to say.
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You ever seen
one of these before?
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It's called a tie.
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It's what men wear when they
want to be taken seriously.
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It hurts.
Hurts my neck.
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Well, every man who's ever
put one of these on
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has thought that,
but still...
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people have been wearing them
for hundreds of years.
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Went to church once.
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Saw some there.
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So, today... today is all
about picking jurors,
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the people who decide whether
to punish you or not.
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Mr. Colón is gonna be
asking people questions.
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You don't have to do
anything; just sit there.
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Try not to react.
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And don't say a word
unless I tell you to.
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Remember, people are gonna
be looking at you. Okay?
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Trying to figure
out who you are.
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They might make funny faces.
Don't make any back.
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You just sit there,
try to smile.
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It's probably gonna
take the whole day.
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Mr. Colón and I
will do our best
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to get you out of there
as quickly as possible.
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Good morning,
ladies and gentlemen.
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Let me ask you all a question.
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How many of you, especially
when you were teenagers,
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had a less than terrific
relationship with your parents?
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You, sir.
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You were at war with
your folks a lot?
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Well, my old man
was a taskmaster.
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Very old-school.
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And I was the kind of kid
who didn't really like rules.
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Got it.
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And all of you pretty much feel
the same way?
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That your parents didn't
necessarily know best?
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Your Honor, the defense
would like to thank
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and excuse jurors number three,
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eight, ten and 12.
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We need jurors who see
Lucas was a part of a cult of two.
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Brainwashed to hate like a sort
of Manchurian Candidate.
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And how do we do that?
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We look for people who can be
persuaded to follow a leader.
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They may not understand
the environment Lucas
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was raised in,
but they can relate
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to his need to do as he's told.
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People who are risk averse
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and make middle-of-the-road
decisions.
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So, tell me, sir,
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do you invest in
the stock market?
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I do.
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Do you buy tech stocks,
high-risk investments,
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or are you more of a S&P 500
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kind of investor?
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I actually like to go
with mutual funds.
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Let someone who knows what
they're doing decide for me.
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Play it safe.
Get a steady return.
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Your Honor, the defense finds
this juror acceptable.
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And we have our jury.
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The court is in recess
until tomorrow morning.
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Nice job.
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You did everything
we asked perfectly.
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We had a good day.
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Does that mean
I can go home now?
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No. No.
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I'm sorry, this is...
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gonna take many days.
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Today was a good day
but not the only day.
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Are you going home?
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Yes.
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Is he going home now?
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Yes.
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But not me?
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Not yet.
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What are we gonna do
about this confession?
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Talk about taking advantage
of someone's limited capacity.
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That's why I hung around...
I wanted to get it
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- in front of both of you.
- It's pretty damning.
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I get the feeling,
if they had asked him
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where Hoffa's body was buried,
he would have told them.
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How about I
file a motion
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to get the confession thrown out
first thing in the morning?
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That's how you get to be
Benjamin Colón.
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Does that mean we're
done for the day?
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I know I am.
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Are you happy?
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I'm sorry?
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Are you happy?
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I am lying here naked
next to my naked husband,
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watching do-it-yourself bathroom
projects at 8:30 at night.
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I'm euphoric.
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Why?
256
00:12:48,881 --> 00:12:50,452
I don't know, uh...
257
00:12:50,678 --> 00:12:53,319
the mail was piling up,
and I finally got around
258
00:12:53,405 --> 00:12:54,975
to going through it,
259
00:12:55,136 --> 00:12:58,342
and there was a thing
from a fertility clinic.
260
00:12:59,022 --> 00:13:00,483
A bill.
261
00:13:01,258 --> 00:13:04,905
They wanted to know if they
should keep your eggs frozen
262
00:13:04,991 --> 00:13:07,850
or just... throw 'em away.
263
00:13:12,464 --> 00:13:16,288
I didn't even know that
you had frozen some eggs.
264
00:13:17,056 --> 00:13:19,147
I didn't even
know that you...
265
00:13:19,513 --> 00:13:20,725
wanted kids.
266
00:13:20,811 --> 00:13:22,272
I mean...
267
00:13:23,478 --> 00:13:25,639
I seem to recall
when we first got married
268
00:13:25,725 --> 00:13:27,881
that we sort of
figured out that...
269
00:13:28,085 --> 00:13:30,916
we didn't... want them.
270
00:13:31,413 --> 00:13:32,741
God.
271
00:13:32,934 --> 00:13:36,014
I so didn't see
this conversation coming.
272
00:13:37,885 --> 00:13:39,827
I love what we have.
273
00:13:40,148 --> 00:13:42,702
I love our life
just the way it is.
274
00:13:43,347 --> 00:13:45,342
But we're paying
to keep your eggs
275
00:13:45,428 --> 00:13:47,889
in some stranger's Deepfreeze.
276
00:13:48,503 --> 00:13:50,366
I know.
277
00:13:50,664 --> 00:13:53,624
How can I explain this to you?
278
00:13:55,047 --> 00:13:57,398
After our divorce...
279
00:13:58,905 --> 00:14:00,430
friends with kids
kept telling me
280
00:14:00,516 --> 00:14:02,016
that something's
gonna happen,
281
00:14:02,271 --> 00:14:04,580
that I'd suddenly
want them, too.
282
00:14:04,937 --> 00:14:08,396
That some switch would flip
and it would be too late,
283
00:14:08,481 --> 00:14:10,625
and this was something
I needed to plan for.
284
00:14:10,913 --> 00:14:12,266
And you're right,
285
00:14:12,352 --> 00:14:15,078
I never had that thing,
that... kid thing,
286
00:14:15,164 --> 00:14:18,422
but I thought:
"Don't be stupid.
287
00:14:18,773 --> 00:14:21,523
You don't know how you're
gonna feel in five years."
288
00:14:22,140 --> 00:14:23,766
So I did it. I...
289
00:14:24,379 --> 00:14:26,883
just... did it.
290
00:14:27,667 --> 00:14:29,406
I guess...
291
00:14:30,566 --> 00:14:32,437
deep down...
292
00:14:32,939 --> 00:14:35,102
I wanted to have
the option.
293
00:14:37,500 --> 00:14:39,305
So did it happen?
294
00:14:39,594 --> 00:14:42,586
Did your... switch flip?
295
00:14:44,886 --> 00:14:46,703
I really don't know.
296
00:14:48,523 --> 00:14:50,102
How would you feel
if it did?
297
00:14:50,188 --> 00:14:52,364
I really don't know, either.
298
00:14:56,202 --> 00:14:57,641
I think...
299
00:14:57,862 --> 00:15:02,215
I need to give it some
thought before I answer.
300
00:15:03,243 --> 00:15:04,781
Okay.
301
00:15:05,475 --> 00:15:07,062
I think I do, too.
302
00:15:08,133 --> 00:15:09,602
Okay.
303
00:15:25,468 --> 00:15:28,844
So, this morning is just
gonna be about Mr. Colón
304
00:15:29,006 --> 00:15:31,234
trying to convince
the court to ignore
305
00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:32,993
what you told the police
when they arrested you.
306
00:15:33,078 --> 00:15:34,430
The jury's not even
gonna be there.
307
00:15:34,515 --> 00:15:36,213
Did I say something bad?
308
00:15:38,196 --> 00:15:42,094
Well, you said you did it,
and you said you'd do it again.
309
00:15:45,825 --> 00:15:48,088
Should I say
something different?
310
00:15:49,901 --> 00:15:51,644
No. Just...
311
00:15:51,767 --> 00:15:52,806
do what you did yesterday:
312
00:15:52,891 --> 00:15:55,109
Don't speak
unless Mr. Colón asks you to.
313
00:15:55,543 --> 00:15:57,062
Just sit.
314
00:15:57,198 --> 00:15:58,906
We'll do the rest.
315
00:16:00,985 --> 00:16:02,953
Your Honor, the
defense would like to file
316
00:16:03,039 --> 00:16:05,652
a motion to suppress
Lucas Schwieger's statements
317
00:16:05,738 --> 00:16:07,805
to the police
at the time of his arrest.
318
00:16:07,948 --> 00:16:09,039
It's gonna be fine.
319
00:16:09,125 --> 00:16:11,562
Your Honor, there are simply
no grounds for this.
320
00:16:11,648 --> 00:16:13,664
The defendant made
a knowing and voluntary
321
00:16:13,750 --> 00:16:14,945
and intelligent waiver.
322
00:16:15,031 --> 00:16:18,133
"A knowing and voluntary
and intelligent waiver."
323
00:16:18,219 --> 00:16:20,745
Your Honor, prior to
my client's arrest,
324
00:16:20,831 --> 00:16:22,852
he had never even
seen a state trooper
325
00:16:23,043 --> 00:16:25,526
or a courtroom or, for
that matter, an attorney.
326
00:16:25,667 --> 00:16:27,625
He didn't even know
what an attorney was,
327
00:16:27,711 --> 00:16:30,133
didn't know he had rights
under the law.
328
00:16:30,227 --> 00:16:31,844
He didn't know anything.
329
00:16:31,936 --> 00:16:34,025
Nothing but what
his father told him,
330
00:16:34,111 --> 00:16:36,317
and his father,
who suffered from delusions
331
00:16:36,403 --> 00:16:39,470
and paranoia and a host
of other mental illnesses,
332
00:16:39,556 --> 00:16:40,777
basically told him
333
00:16:40,863 --> 00:16:44,165
that anyone who was not
one of the two of them
334
00:16:44,251 --> 00:16:45,704
was bad and needed to die.
335
00:16:45,790 --> 00:16:47,808
He never said that!
He-he just... he said
336
00:16:47,894 --> 00:16:50,220
it was our land,
and we had to kill or be killed!
337
00:16:50,306 --> 00:16:52,876
Lucas. My dad taught me how to carve.
He taught me how to fish.
338
00:16:53,211 --> 00:16:54,330
Lucas. He-he taught me how to shoot.
339
00:16:54,415 --> 00:16:55,853
Counselor, control your client.
340
00:16:55,939 --> 00:16:59,638
They came on our land.
It was kill or be killed! Lucas.
341
00:17:00,543 --> 00:17:02,408
My apologies, Your Honor.
342
00:17:03,611 --> 00:17:05,322
As you can clearly see...
343
00:17:05,819 --> 00:17:07,494
my client is a victim
344
00:17:07,580 --> 00:17:09,932
of a cruel
and sadistic upbringing,
345
00:17:10,086 --> 00:17:12,204
one that kept the world
away at all costs.
346
00:17:12,290 --> 00:17:13,884
He simply doesn't
know any better.
347
00:17:13,999 --> 00:17:16,290
He couldn't possibly
have been expected
348
00:17:16,408 --> 00:17:17,673
to understand his rights
349
00:17:17,759 --> 00:17:20,525
or the consequences of speaking
without an attorney present.
350
00:17:20,611 --> 00:17:22,354
No, no, no, no, no!
They killed him!
351
00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,290
They came on our land,
and they killed him!
352
00:17:24,376 --> 00:17:25,901
Lucas, stop. We shot at them,
353
00:17:25,987 --> 00:17:27,127
- but they came on our land!
- Mr. Schwieger,
354
00:17:27,212 --> 00:17:28,876
I need you to stay
in your seat.
355
00:17:28,962 --> 00:17:31,634
And to refrain from speaking.
I didn't do nothing wrong!
356
00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,266
Officer, return Mr. Schwieger
to holding, please,
357
00:17:34,352 --> 00:17:35,571
immediately.
358
00:17:37,573 --> 00:17:40,009
It's okay. You need
to go with him.
359
00:17:40,930 --> 00:17:42,407
It's gonna be all right.
360
00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:44,079
Let's go.
361
00:17:54,973 --> 00:17:58,020
This is one of those moments
in a judge's life.
362
00:18:00,765 --> 00:18:03,509
So... let's talk law.
363
00:18:04,155 --> 00:18:07,563
I certainly see the validity
of your argument, Mr. Colón.
364
00:18:07,649 --> 00:18:09,446
"Knowing and voluntary
and intelligent"
365
00:18:09,532 --> 00:18:11,318
hardly describes
what went on here.
366
00:18:11,557 --> 00:18:14,430
Your motion to suppress
Mr. Schwieger's statement
367
00:18:14,516 --> 00:18:16,712
to the police
from evidence is granted.
368
00:18:16,798 --> 00:18:18,282
However...
369
00:18:18,368 --> 00:18:20,485
I'm not sure the omission
of the statement
370
00:18:20,571 --> 00:18:23,924
will matter much to the jury
if you can't rein in
371
00:18:24,010 --> 00:18:25,759
your client's behavior.
372
00:18:26,184 --> 00:18:27,415
Yes, Your Honor.
373
00:18:27,501 --> 00:18:29,079
Thank you, Your Honor.
374
00:18:32,196 --> 00:18:34,352
What did we get
ourselves into here?
375
00:18:35,172 --> 00:18:36,698
He couldn't even
keep it together
376
00:18:36,784 --> 00:18:38,587
for a ten-minute
motion hearing.
377
00:18:38,771 --> 00:18:40,204
How is he supposed
to make it
378
00:18:40,290 --> 00:18:42,735
through eight hours
a day of court?
379
00:18:44,933 --> 00:18:46,485
May I ask who's calling?
380
00:18:47,257 --> 00:18:48,587
This is he.
381
00:18:50,437 --> 00:18:51,960
I see.
382
00:18:53,305 --> 00:18:54,649
I see.
383
00:18:54,771 --> 00:18:56,601
No, I'll be right over.
384
00:18:56,929 --> 00:18:58,712
I very much
appreciate the call.
385
00:18:59,745 --> 00:19:01,355
Everything all right?
386
00:19:03,124 --> 00:19:05,085
Lucas is in the hospital.
387
00:19:05,396 --> 00:19:07,399
After he returned
from court today,
388
00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:09,399
he tried to hang himself.
389
00:19:20,501 --> 00:19:22,418
Sorry I'm late.
390
00:19:22,930 --> 00:19:24,524
What kind of
shape is he in?
391
00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,140
Well, at the moment,
he's heavily sedated.
392
00:19:27,234 --> 00:19:28,852
One of the other inmates
heard him choking
393
00:19:28,937 --> 00:19:30,523
and called out
to the guards.
394
00:19:30,609 --> 00:19:33,168
They cut him down
and resuscitated him.
395
00:19:33,374 --> 00:19:36,168
The good news is he's
going to be fine.
396
00:19:37,945 --> 00:19:40,327
So, anybody venturing a guess
about when he'll be awake,
397
00:19:40,413 --> 00:19:41,741
when I can get him
back in court?
398
00:19:41,826 --> 00:19:43,890
They're guessing his
sedation wouldn't wear off
399
00:19:43,976 --> 00:19:45,234
until midday tomorrow.
400
00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:46,390
Oh.
401
00:19:46,476 --> 00:19:48,456
So...
what now?
402
00:19:48,542 --> 00:19:50,846
Now we roar into the courtroom
tomorrow morning
403
00:19:50,932 --> 00:19:52,643
before the prosecution
is any wiser,
404
00:19:52,729 --> 00:19:54,590
and Benny files a motion
to try and keep all this
405
00:19:54,675 --> 00:19:56,331
from being introduced
into the record.
406
00:19:56,417 --> 00:19:58,643
Why? I mean, I'm no lawyer,
407
00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:00,479
but if I'm on the jury,
408
00:20:00,565 --> 00:20:02,120
doesn't the
idea that he
409
00:20:02,206 --> 00:20:05,284
almost tried to kill himself
make Lucas look...
410
00:20:05,565 --> 00:20:06,674
sympathetic?
411
00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:08,377
You'd think so, wouldn't you?
412
00:20:08,823 --> 00:20:10,727
But that's not how
the other side will spin it.
413
00:20:10,812 --> 00:20:12,050
They will claim it is proof
414
00:20:12,136 --> 00:20:14,228
Lucas felt guilty
about what he did,
415
00:20:14,314 --> 00:20:17,135
that he knows he did something
he shouldn't have,
416
00:20:17,221 --> 00:20:19,839
and since we're telling the jury
the exact opposite...
417
00:20:19,925 --> 00:20:21,299
That he didn't know
the difference
418
00:20:21,385 --> 00:20:22,565
between right and wrong...
419
00:20:22,650 --> 00:20:24,131
The trial would
effectively be over
420
00:20:24,216 --> 00:20:26,741
before we ever called a witness.
421
00:20:27,872 --> 00:20:29,458
That the suicide attempt is
422
00:20:29,544 --> 00:20:31,864
somehow connected to
this caseworker's death
423
00:20:31,950 --> 00:20:33,576
is pure speculation.
424
00:20:33,661 --> 00:20:35,997
I mean, look at everything this
young man has been through.
425
00:20:36,083 --> 00:20:37,101
He watched
426
00:20:37,186 --> 00:20:39,755
as his father was shot to death
right in front of him.
427
00:20:39,841 --> 00:20:41,122
He's been pulled away
428
00:20:41,208 --> 00:20:43,036
from the only home
he's ever known.
429
00:20:43,122 --> 00:20:45,841
He's spent this last week
either in a-a courtroom
430
00:20:45,927 --> 00:20:47,067
or a jail cell.
431
00:20:47,152 --> 00:20:49,372
If we are going to hypothesize,
432
00:20:49,458 --> 00:20:50,544
shouldn't we say
433
00:20:50,630 --> 00:20:54,552
that maybe depression is the
cause of... of this behavior?
434
00:20:54,833 --> 00:20:56,083
Your Honor,
435
00:20:56,169 --> 00:20:57,474
Dr. Jason Bull.
436
00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,607
I'm part of the defense team
and a doctor of psychology.
437
00:20:59,692 --> 00:21:01,079
I know who you are, Dr. Bull.
438
00:21:01,165 --> 00:21:03,478
Well,
in my professional opinion,
439
00:21:03,564 --> 00:21:05,563
it's likely that this child
tried to kill himself
440
00:21:05,649 --> 00:21:09,470
because the only man he knew,
the only man he trusted,
441
00:21:09,603 --> 00:21:11,396
his father,
was being referred to
442
00:21:11,481 --> 00:21:14,834
as the person most responsible
for his own death
443
00:21:14,919 --> 00:21:16,368
and his son's incarceration.
444
00:21:16,454 --> 00:21:19,415
Now, this man was the boy's God.
His North Star.
445
00:21:19,501 --> 00:21:22,506
Everything he knew about life
he learned from this man,
446
00:21:22,604 --> 00:21:25,218
and to hear that he could be
so profoundly wrong
447
00:21:25,697 --> 00:21:27,729
had to be cataclysmic for him
448
00:21:27,900 --> 00:21:30,763
and was surely reason enough
for him to consider
449
00:21:30,848 --> 00:21:32,697
taking his own life.
450
00:21:35,324 --> 00:21:37,900
I'm not sure what I believe
the boy was thinking.
451
00:21:37,986 --> 00:21:40,817
Respectfully,
that's for the jury to decide.
452
00:21:41,143 --> 00:21:43,036
And they won't get to
decide if we withhold
453
00:21:43,122 --> 00:21:45,777
the defendant's suicide
attempt from them.
454
00:21:47,604 --> 00:21:50,049
I agree with the defense,
455
00:21:50,135 --> 00:21:52,350
and I find
the prejudicial impact
456
00:21:52,435 --> 00:21:55,018
outweighs the probative value.
457
00:21:55,627 --> 00:21:58,979
The attempted suicide will not
be allowed into evidence.
458
00:21:59,385 --> 00:22:00,643
When will the defendant
459
00:22:00,729 --> 00:22:02,689
be available
so that the trial can resume?
460
00:22:02,775 --> 00:22:04,493
We will get you the answer
to that question
461
00:22:04,578 --> 00:22:06,330
as soon as possible, Your Honor.
462
00:22:07,938 --> 00:22:09,893
I am so sorry.
463
00:22:09,979 --> 00:22:12,370
It's amazing what he can
do in a split second.
464
00:22:12,455 --> 00:22:13,763
It's fine.
465
00:22:13,894 --> 00:22:15,330
Here, Mommy.
466
00:22:18,879 --> 00:22:20,150
How old is he?
467
00:22:20,252 --> 00:22:21,336
22 months.
468
00:22:21,421 --> 00:22:23,250
Uh, almost two.
469
00:22:23,335 --> 00:22:25,143
Two years since I've had
a full night's sleep.
470
00:22:25,229 --> 00:22:26,775
Two years since
I've read a book.
471
00:22:26,861 --> 00:22:28,263
Two years since I've
been to the gym.
472
00:22:28,348 --> 00:22:29,784
You have kids?
473
00:22:30,586 --> 00:22:31,854
Yeah, I can tell.
474
00:22:31,953 --> 00:22:33,611
You lack frazzle.
475
00:22:35,132 --> 00:22:36,742
Bye.
476
00:22:41,392 --> 00:22:42,878
Well, turns out
the nearest neighbors
477
00:22:42,964 --> 00:22:44,604
are almost a quarter mile away.
478
00:22:44,690 --> 00:22:46,143
They seemed to know that
there was a teenager
479
00:22:46,228 --> 00:22:47,433
and an old man
living near them,
480
00:22:47,518 --> 00:22:49,486
but they said that they'd
sometimes hear gunfire,
481
00:22:49,572 --> 00:22:51,275
so they kept their distance.
482
00:22:51,619 --> 00:22:52,715
Maybe there's someone
483
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:54,104
from their past.
484
00:22:54,541 --> 00:22:57,018
He told me his mother
hung herself when he was little.
485
00:22:57,104 --> 00:22:58,433
I'll bet that's where
he got the idea.
486
00:22:58,518 --> 00:23:00,765
- How horrible.
- Maybe there's someone
487
00:23:00,851 --> 00:23:02,565
who knew her, who was friends
with her before she...
488
00:23:02,650 --> 00:23:04,262
That
would be great.
489
00:23:04,454 --> 00:23:07,182
Someone we could
get to testify
490
00:23:07,268 --> 00:23:09,601
to how Lucas had a
normal life at one time
491
00:23:09,686 --> 00:23:12,736
and a completely isolated
one once the mother passed.
492
00:23:13,205 --> 00:23:14,861
I know it drives
the kid crazy,
493
00:23:14,947 --> 00:23:16,245
but we have to keep
hammering away
494
00:23:16,330 --> 00:23:18,111
at what a lunatic
the father was.
495
00:23:18,197 --> 00:23:20,723
What about the person who called
Child Protective Services?
496
00:23:20,871 --> 00:23:21,961
There's a reason why
497
00:23:22,046 --> 00:23:23,355
these folks went out
to take a look.
498
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,135
Someone had to have
called in a complaint.
499
00:23:25,244 --> 00:23:27,783
Yep. A woman named
Yvonne Fowler.
500
00:23:27,869 --> 00:23:28,807
She won't take my calls,
501
00:23:28,893 --> 00:23:30,550
and she doesn't answer the door
when I visit her house,
502
00:23:30,635 --> 00:23:32,322
but I haven't given up.
503
00:23:32,408 --> 00:23:34,229
Well, I'm about to.
I'm exhausted.
504
00:23:34,315 --> 00:23:36,319
Court's back in session
first thing in the morning.
505
00:23:36,405 --> 00:23:38,059
You don't have
to tell me twice.
506
00:23:43,282 --> 00:23:46,200
My son is obsessed
with sending me poop emojis.
507
00:23:46,441 --> 00:23:48,141
I wonder if it means something.
508
00:23:48,227 --> 00:23:50,307
You are always on duty,
aren't you?
509
00:23:50,642 --> 00:23:51,896
On duty?
510
00:23:52,076 --> 00:23:53,705
That's a joke, right?
511
00:23:56,018 --> 00:23:57,721
Hey, let me ask you something.
512
00:23:58,088 --> 00:24:00,042
How'd you know
you wanted to have kids?
513
00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:01,826
Was it something...
514
00:24:02,229 --> 00:24:03,479
you just felt in your soul,
515
00:24:03,565 --> 00:24:06,135
or did you just sense
it was the right time?
516
00:24:06,317 --> 00:24:08,838
Neither. It was more like
a three-martini night,
517
00:24:08,924 --> 00:24:10,711
and nine months later
we needed a crib.
518
00:24:11,298 --> 00:24:12,471
I mean,
519
00:24:12,557 --> 00:24:13,647
it wasn't planned,
520
00:24:13,749 --> 00:24:16,623
but wouldn't trade it
for anything.
521
00:24:17,002 --> 00:24:18,450
You getting an itch?
522
00:24:19,596 --> 00:24:21,205
Not even a tickle.
523
00:24:21,628 --> 00:24:22,729
Greg?
524
00:24:23,536 --> 00:24:25,213
He wants what I want.
525
00:24:25,491 --> 00:24:27,330
At least, that's what he says.
526
00:24:27,518 --> 00:24:29,376
And you don't know
what you want.
527
00:24:29,743 --> 00:24:31,127
No.
528
00:24:31,752 --> 00:24:32,869
I envy you.
529
00:24:32,963 --> 00:24:34,760
Really? Why?
530
00:24:34,945 --> 00:24:36,643
It feels terrible
from in here.
531
00:24:37,158 --> 00:24:40,533
Because no matter what happens,
no matter what you do,
532
00:24:40,658 --> 00:24:42,424
it's gonna be wonderful.
533
00:24:44,550 --> 00:24:45,769
You're either gonna get
what you want,
534
00:24:45,854 --> 00:24:48,268
or you're gonna...
get what you want.
535
00:24:52,058 --> 00:24:55,447
The people would like to call
Yvonne Fowler to the stand.
536
00:24:55,679 --> 00:24:57,031
Yvonne Fowler?
537
00:24:57,155 --> 00:24:59,432
Isn't she the one Danny said
called in the complaint
538
00:24:59,518 --> 00:25:00,596
to Child Services?
539
00:25:00,682 --> 00:25:03,135
Looks like she took
the prosecution's call.
540
00:25:06,258 --> 00:25:07,478
I know her.
541
00:25:07,564 --> 00:25:08,764
Ms. Fowler,
542
00:25:09,104 --> 00:25:11,354
could you please tell the
court how you came to meet
543
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:12,965
Lucas Schwieger?
544
00:25:13,666 --> 00:25:16,314
I'm a nurse
at St. Benjamin's Hospital,
545
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,709
which is about five miles from
where Norman and Lucas lived.
546
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,473
A few months ago,
Norman showed up
547
00:25:22,558 --> 00:25:24,678
in the middle of the night
at the hospital with Lucas.
548
00:25:24,822 --> 00:25:27,104
Norman had walking pneumonia.
549
00:25:27,206 --> 00:25:29,229
Once we got Norman checked in,
550
00:25:29,590 --> 00:25:31,986
I realized
Lucas had nowhere to go.
551
00:25:32,079 --> 00:25:34,562
So I brought him
home with me,
552
00:25:34,648 --> 00:25:36,923
thinking it would just be
for a day or so.
553
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:40,618
But one day turned into two,
two turned into a week,
554
00:25:40,704 --> 00:25:44,399
and Lucas ended up staying
with us for three weeks.
555
00:25:44,536 --> 00:25:46,352
- And when you say "us"?
- Oh.
556
00:25:46,438 --> 00:25:47,876
My husband and two children.
557
00:25:48,236 --> 00:25:50,227
Boys. Seven and nine.
558
00:25:50,313 --> 00:25:52,220
So, when the defense
claims Mr. Schwieger
559
00:25:52,306 --> 00:25:54,829
spent his whole
life in isolation,
560
00:25:54,981 --> 00:25:56,970
that simply isn't true, is it?
561
00:25:57,125 --> 00:25:58,915
I don't know anything
about his whole life.
562
00:25:59,001 --> 00:26:00,709
Well, but you can
categorically state
563
00:26:00,795 --> 00:26:02,146
that he lived with you?
564
00:26:02,467 --> 00:26:04,747
Had running water,
home-cooked meals,
565
00:26:04,926 --> 00:26:08,060
slept in a warm bed
for a period
566
00:26:08,212 --> 00:26:09,724
of three weeks?
567
00:26:09,975 --> 00:26:11,154
Yes, he did.
568
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,076
Now, you're very
active in your church,
569
00:26:13,162 --> 00:26:14,557
aren't you, Ms. Fowler?
570
00:26:14,691 --> 00:26:16,326
Our whole family is.
571
00:26:16,412 --> 00:26:17,981
I teach Sunday school.
572
00:26:18,510 --> 00:26:21,213
During the three weeks
Lucas lived with you,
573
00:26:21,303 --> 00:26:22,650
did you ever take
him to church?
574
00:26:22,736 --> 00:26:24,044
Every Sunday.
575
00:26:24,392 --> 00:26:27,092
He said he'd never stepped
inside a church before,
576
00:26:27,318 --> 00:26:29,892
and he seemed to like it.
577
00:26:30,197 --> 00:26:33,056
The singing,
the shaking hands, the sermon.
578
00:26:33,281 --> 00:26:34,885
My boys showed him how
579
00:26:34,971 --> 00:26:36,697
to put money
in the plate.
580
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,767
Hard to know
if this is good or bad
581
00:26:38,853 --> 00:26:39,955
for our side.
582
00:26:40,041 --> 00:26:42,345
Anything that suggests
Lucas knew right from wrong
583
00:26:42,431 --> 00:26:43,956
- is not a help.
- So, I'm curious.
584
00:26:44,042 --> 00:26:46,353
Did you ever take Mr. Schwieger
with you to Sunday school?
585
00:26:46,439 --> 00:26:47,752
Yes, I did once.
586
00:26:47,875 --> 00:26:49,010
Could you tell the
court what lessons
587
00:26:49,095 --> 00:26:50,361
were being taught that Sunday?
588
00:26:50,447 --> 00:26:52,799
We talked
about the Ten Commandments.
589
00:26:53,155 --> 00:26:55,769
And that particular week
was the fifth commandment:
590
00:26:56,447 --> 00:26:58,275
thou shalt not kill.
591
00:27:01,392 --> 00:27:02,657
Jury's slipping away.
592
00:27:02,876 --> 00:27:04,291
They're starting to sense
593
00:27:04,377 --> 00:27:05,643
that he's seen
enough of the world
594
00:27:05,728 --> 00:27:07,136
to know the difference
between right and wrong.
595
00:27:07,221 --> 00:27:08,355
You don't just shoot people
596
00:27:08,441 --> 00:27:10,053
when they show up in
front of your house.
597
00:27:10,139 --> 00:27:11,880
So, how'd it go in there?
598
00:27:12,915 --> 00:27:14,330
We've had better days.
599
00:27:14,416 --> 00:27:16,487
You still interested in making
the father the villain?
600
00:27:16,572 --> 00:27:19,470
I'm not sure it much matters
to the jury at this point.
601
00:27:19,556 --> 00:27:20,815
Maybe that's because
they haven't heard
602
00:27:20,900 --> 00:27:22,905
- the really bad stuff.
- Really bad stuff? Like what?
603
00:27:22,990 --> 00:27:25,385
Like, how about
telling a child his whole life
604
00:27:25,471 --> 00:27:29,314
that his mother is dead
when she's actually alive.
605
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,869
You good if I smoke?
606
00:27:40,641 --> 00:27:41,805
Anybody thirsty?
607
00:27:41,891 --> 00:27:44,541
We're fine. We just wanted
to ask you a few questions
608
00:27:44,627 --> 00:27:47,135
about your ex-husband, Norman,
and your son, Lucas.
609
00:27:47,350 --> 00:27:50,627
Oh, well, I mean,
I'll tell you everything I know.
610
00:27:51,569 --> 00:27:53,283
Did you know that Norman died?
611
00:27:53,768 --> 00:27:55,541
Shot by a state trooper.
612
00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:59,541
And that your son, Lucas,
is on trial for murder?
613
00:28:01,027 --> 00:28:02,616
No, I didn't know that.
614
00:28:02,849 --> 00:28:04,940
You aware that your son
thinks you're dead?
615
00:28:05,846 --> 00:28:07,187
Well, I'm not surprised.
616
00:28:07,273 --> 00:28:08,538
You ever meet his father?
617
00:28:08,624 --> 00:28:09,874
Never had the pleasure.
618
00:28:10,036 --> 00:28:11,609
What can you tell
me about him?
619
00:28:12,246 --> 00:28:14,250
Uh, he's crazy.
620
00:28:14,569 --> 00:28:15,632
I just finally said,
621
00:28:15,718 --> 00:28:18,287
"I'm gonna take Lucas
and leave."
622
00:28:18,373 --> 00:28:19,986
And how'd Norman
feel about that?
623
00:28:20,072 --> 00:28:21,726
Oh, that night
I woke up
624
00:28:21,812 --> 00:28:24,163
and find Norman on top of me
with a pistol in my mouth.
625
00:28:24,249 --> 00:28:26,398
And he said if I ever tried
to take the boy,
626
00:28:26,484 --> 00:28:28,343
he was gonna kill both of us.
627
00:28:29,071 --> 00:28:30,937
How old was Lucas?
628
00:28:31,218 --> 00:28:32,929
He'd just turned three.
629
00:28:33,827 --> 00:28:36,976
So, that night,
the second he fell asleep,
630
00:28:37,234 --> 00:28:38,257
I was out the window.
631
00:28:38,343 --> 00:28:40,882
I didn't even kiss
my baby good-bye.
632
00:28:42,741 --> 00:28:44,210
I know it's been a long time,
633
00:28:44,296 --> 00:28:45,656
but we need your
son's jury to hear
634
00:28:45,741 --> 00:28:48,046
what it was like to
live with that man,
635
00:28:48,132 --> 00:28:50,999
to hear the story
you just told us.
636
00:28:51,624 --> 00:28:52,928
Yeah, I don't think so.
637
00:28:53,014 --> 00:28:55,093
I got a really busy schedule.
638
00:28:55,827 --> 00:28:57,726
You have a drug problem,
Mrs. Schwieger?
639
00:28:57,812 --> 00:28:59,515
It's not a problem for me.
640
00:28:59,648 --> 00:29:01,386
Okay, I'm gonna step outside.
641
00:29:01,472 --> 00:29:02,735
She's gonna stay
in here with you.
642
00:29:02,820 --> 00:29:04,289
I want you to put on
the closest thing you have
643
00:29:04,374 --> 00:29:05,456
to a decent dress,
644
00:29:05,542 --> 00:29:07,597
and then we are going
to the courthouse.
645
00:29:07,683 --> 00:29:09,316
And don't try going
out the window.
646
00:29:09,635 --> 00:29:11,355
She's ex-FBI.
647
00:29:15,784 --> 00:29:17,125
She could be anybody.
648
00:29:17,211 --> 00:29:18,432
But she isn't.
649
00:29:18,518 --> 00:29:20,607
- Can I smoke?
- No.
650
00:29:22,956 --> 00:29:24,324
She's gonna tell the jury
651
00:29:24,410 --> 00:29:26,410
what life was like with
your father before she left.
652
00:29:26,495 --> 00:29:27,879
And you're not gonna like
hearing it,
653
00:29:27,964 --> 00:29:30,050
but I need you to promise
that you will not react.
654
00:29:30,136 --> 00:29:32,808
No noises. No faces.
655
00:29:33,019 --> 00:29:35,706
No standing. No talking.
656
00:29:37,674 --> 00:29:39,632
Don't worry, I
won't do nothing.
657
00:29:43,213 --> 00:29:44,474
I don't even know her.
658
00:29:45,886 --> 00:29:47,105
He knocked me around
659
00:29:47,191 --> 00:29:48,651
all the time.
660
00:29:48,737 --> 00:29:50,003
Wouldn't let us go out.
661
00:29:50,088 --> 00:29:51,284
He didn't trust anyone.
662
00:29:51,370 --> 00:29:54,292
Objection, Your Honor.
What does any of this have to do
663
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,559
with whether or not Lucas
Schwieger shot a police officer?
664
00:29:56,644 --> 00:29:58,370
If it pleases the court,
665
00:29:58,456 --> 00:30:00,612
in order to understand
what happened
666
00:30:00,698 --> 00:30:02,894
the day of the shooting,
we have to understand
667
00:30:02,980 --> 00:30:05,339
what kind of environment
Lucas came from.
668
00:30:05,597 --> 00:30:06,802
Overruled.
669
00:30:07,089 --> 00:30:08,499
Now, you were saying...
670
00:30:08,584 --> 00:30:10,972
He just got stranger
and stranger.
671
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,375
He-he stopped letting me
leave the cabin at all.
672
00:30:14,460 --> 00:30:16,986
He... he rigged up alarms
673
00:30:17,071 --> 00:30:19,175
so that he would know
if somebody came and went.
674
00:30:19,261 --> 00:30:20,337
He said that
the government
675
00:30:20,422 --> 00:30:22,323
was watching him
from satellites.
676
00:30:22,409 --> 00:30:23,543
From space?
677
00:30:23,629 --> 00:30:27,113
Yeah. Sometimes at
night he'd go outside,
678
00:30:27,299 --> 00:30:29,042
and-and he'd scream at them.
679
00:30:29,127 --> 00:30:31,097
He'd shoot his guns
up in the air.
680
00:30:31,183 --> 00:30:32,823
I mean, I was scared
all the time.
681
00:30:32,909 --> 00:30:34,237
It was no way to live.
682
00:30:34,323 --> 00:30:37,050
And it probably wasn't any
better for Lucas, either.
683
00:30:37,300 --> 00:30:40,026
Thank you. No further questions,
Your Honor.
684
00:30:40,112 --> 00:30:41,316
Well, that made an impact.
685
00:30:41,402 --> 00:30:43,425
No reds have flipped green,
but I can see
686
00:30:43,511 --> 00:30:45,980
that their attitudes
about Lucas are in flux.
687
00:30:46,105 --> 00:30:49,336
For the first time,
they're sympathizing with him.
688
00:30:50,504 --> 00:30:53,214
Let's take a moment
and talk about your past.
689
00:30:53,498 --> 00:30:55,519
Are you
the same Brenda Schwieger
690
00:30:55,605 --> 00:30:58,566
who was convicted
of forging checks?
691
00:30:58,878 --> 00:31:01,509
Sentenced
to court-appointed rehab twice?
692
00:31:02,097 --> 00:31:04,472
Hasn't had a full-time
job in almost 20 years?
693
00:31:04,558 --> 00:31:05,774
And you expect this jury
694
00:31:05,859 --> 00:31:07,259
to believe anything
you have to say?
695
00:31:07,589 --> 00:31:08,722
You got me.
696
00:31:08,808 --> 00:31:10,441
I don't even want to be here.
697
00:31:10,550 --> 00:31:12,520
I just was told that I had to.
698
00:31:12,605 --> 00:31:14,472
But I'll tell you this.
699
00:31:15,072 --> 00:31:17,198
My husband ruined me.
700
00:31:17,870 --> 00:31:20,714
I used to be a human being.
701
00:31:20,894 --> 00:31:23,444
So whatever kind of person
Lucas has become,
702
00:31:23,529 --> 00:31:27,100
trust me, it's because
his father got him there.
703
00:31:27,284 --> 00:31:29,537
If my little baby
has become a killer,
704
00:31:29,684 --> 00:31:32,077
it's because his father
turned him into one.
705
00:31:40,792 --> 00:31:42,347
She was good.
706
00:31:42,581 --> 00:31:43,836
You think it was enough?
707
00:31:43,922 --> 00:31:45,308
No.
708
00:31:45,815 --> 00:31:47,334
But I have an idea.
709
00:31:48,284 --> 00:31:49,605
So these are of
710
00:31:49,691 --> 00:31:50,870
the inside of the cabin.
711
00:31:50,956 --> 00:31:52,589
As you can see,
it's pretty spartan.
712
00:31:52,862 --> 00:31:54,083
You can use these to show
713
00:31:54,168 --> 00:31:56,216
the jury how little stimulation
was available.
714
00:31:56,301 --> 00:31:59,262
No books, no
radio, no TV.
715
00:31:59,768 --> 00:32:01,580
Obviously,
no computers.
716
00:32:01,774 --> 00:32:05,073
And most importantly,
no outlets for learning.
717
00:32:05,807 --> 00:32:07,925
All right, so these are
the air horns and the trip wires
718
00:32:08,010 --> 00:32:09,651
Norman installed
around the property
719
00:32:09,737 --> 00:32:11,174
to ward
against intruders.
720
00:32:11,260 --> 00:32:13,909
Got it.
Helps demonstrate the paranoia.
721
00:32:13,995 --> 00:32:15,784
Fear of outsiders,
the isolation.
722
00:32:15,870 --> 00:32:17,198
Ready for the
next series?
723
00:32:17,287 --> 00:32:18,979
Fire when ready.
724
00:32:24,001 --> 00:32:25,505
What are we looking at here?
725
00:32:25,838 --> 00:32:27,508
It's a
homemade target range.
726
00:32:27,674 --> 00:32:29,479
Metal head
and torso silhouettes.
727
00:32:29,565 --> 00:32:31,885
By the way,
the police dusted all of this.
728
00:32:31,971 --> 00:32:33,838
The guns, the targets.
729
00:32:33,924 --> 00:32:36,455
Lucas's fingerprints
were everywhere.
730
00:32:36,558 --> 00:32:38,627
His father's? Norman's?
731
00:32:38,737 --> 00:32:40,143
Not so much.
732
00:32:41,722 --> 00:32:43,002
Wow.
733
00:32:43,696 --> 00:32:45,619
All those bull's-eyes.
734
00:32:45,807 --> 00:32:47,385
One on top of the other.
Looks like
735
00:32:47,471 --> 00:32:48,846
Lucas was quite the shot.
736
00:32:48,987 --> 00:32:51,643
How far away would you say
the targets were
737
00:32:51,729 --> 00:32:53,511
from the stand where Lucas
would have been shooting from?
738
00:32:53,596 --> 00:32:55,492
- Had to be at least 50 yards.
- I'm not sure
739
00:32:55,577 --> 00:32:58,306
we really want the jury looking
at this target range.
740
00:32:58,537 --> 00:33:00,174
I mean, it's kind of horrific.
741
00:33:00,260 --> 00:33:02,666
Kind of like looking
at a murderer's training ground.
742
00:33:02,889 --> 00:33:04,658
Actually, I disagree.
743
00:33:05,035 --> 00:33:07,681
I think this is exactly
what the jury needs to see.
744
00:33:07,767 --> 00:33:10,377
Okay. Well, how are we
gonna get all this in?
745
00:33:10,462 --> 00:33:11,494
Who's on the stand?
746
00:33:11,580 --> 00:33:13,323
Can't just stand up
in front of a court
747
00:33:13,409 --> 00:33:15,556
and show photos
without any context.
748
00:33:15,642 --> 00:33:17,400
We need somebody
to authenticate them,
749
00:33:17,486 --> 00:33:19,664
to say that this is really
where Lucas lived,
750
00:33:19,819 --> 00:33:21,439
that this is really
what it looked like.
751
00:33:21,525 --> 00:33:23,527
Who are we gonna
get to do that?
752
00:33:25,996 --> 00:33:28,486
I was thinking... Lucas.
753
00:33:35,768 --> 00:33:37,174
Good morning, Lucas.
754
00:33:37,705 --> 00:33:39,713
First time
in a witness box?
755
00:33:40,721 --> 00:33:42,041
Yes.
756
00:33:42,455 --> 00:33:45,556
Well, you know
how this works, right?
757
00:33:45,861 --> 00:33:48,306
They made you raise your
right hand a moment ago, and
758
00:33:48,392 --> 00:33:49,838
you promised
to tell the truth.
759
00:33:49,971 --> 00:33:51,494
You understand that,
don't you?
760
00:33:51,728 --> 00:33:52,884
Yes.
761
00:33:53,252 --> 00:33:54,594
All right.
762
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,431
Now...
763
00:33:57,429 --> 00:33:59,127
Does this picture...?
764
00:33:59,983 --> 00:34:02,225
Does this look
familiar to you?
765
00:34:02,535 --> 00:34:04,452
Does it look
like a place you know?
766
00:34:05,482 --> 00:34:06,774
Yes.
767
00:34:07,326 --> 00:34:08,711
It's behind my house.
768
00:34:08,919 --> 00:34:10,451
It's a target range.
769
00:34:11,038 --> 00:34:13,216
Right? A place where...
770
00:34:13,514 --> 00:34:15,522
people practice shooting guns?
771
00:34:16,067 --> 00:34:17,342
Yes.
772
00:34:17,489 --> 00:34:18,927
You shoot there a lot?
773
00:34:19,364 --> 00:34:21,049
Pretty much almost every day.
774
00:34:21,135 --> 00:34:22,295
All right.
775
00:34:22,645 --> 00:34:25,686
Now how far was that target
from where you shot?
776
00:34:27,842 --> 00:34:28,896
Uh, I-I don't get you.
777
00:34:28,982 --> 00:34:32,278
How many steps? I mean,
if you had to take a guess.
778
00:34:33,021 --> 00:34:34,342
Um...
779
00:34:35,381 --> 00:34:36,500
at least a hundred.
780
00:34:36,586 --> 00:34:37,680
Okay.
781
00:34:37,766 --> 00:34:41,279
And how far away from the house
was the state trooper
782
00:34:41,428 --> 00:34:43,594
and the lady
he brought with him?
783
00:34:44,123 --> 00:34:45,596
The one your dad shot?
784
00:34:46,130 --> 00:34:47,597
Maybe...
785
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,475
20 steps.
786
00:34:50,052 --> 00:34:51,253
Never really counted.
787
00:34:51,339 --> 00:34:53,154
Objection. Relevance?
788
00:34:53,428 --> 00:34:56,428
If the court would just indulge
me for a moment more, please?
789
00:34:56,514 --> 00:34:57,605
Overruled.
790
00:34:57,691 --> 00:34:59,162
Thank you, Your Honor.
791
00:35:00,397 --> 00:35:02,623
Do you recognize
this picture?
792
00:35:03,639 --> 00:35:05,084
That's what I shoot at.
793
00:35:05,294 --> 00:35:06,795
So these are your bullet holes?
794
00:35:06,886 --> 00:35:07,998
I'm the only one
795
00:35:08,084 --> 00:35:09,117
who shoots there.
796
00:35:09,203 --> 00:35:10,373
Huh.
797
00:35:10,976 --> 00:35:15,881
So if you shoot at these targets
pretty much every day,
798
00:35:16,190 --> 00:35:18,889
and they're at least
a hundred feet away,
799
00:35:19,837 --> 00:35:22,287
why'd you shoot
that state trooper in the leg?
800
00:35:29,540 --> 00:35:31,936
The witness will answer
the question. Oh, that's all right.
801
00:35:32,046 --> 00:35:33,686
I'll rephrase.
802
00:35:34,061 --> 00:35:37,272
Didn't your father tell you,
"It's kill or be killed"?
803
00:35:40,692 --> 00:35:41,668
Again,
804
00:35:41,754 --> 00:35:43,201
the witness will answer
the question.
805
00:35:43,287 --> 00:35:45,127
I'll withdraw the question.
Let me ask another.
806
00:35:45,912 --> 00:35:47,881
Do you recognize the phrase,
807
00:35:47,967 --> 00:35:49,928
"thou shalt not kill"?
808
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,131
Have you heard that before?
809
00:35:53,138 --> 00:35:54,488
Yes.
810
00:35:54,574 --> 00:35:56,099
Sunday school, right?
811
00:35:57,232 --> 00:35:58,407
Yes.
812
00:35:58,493 --> 00:35:59,624
And did it go
through your mind
813
00:35:59,709 --> 00:36:02,363
when your father told you,
"Kill or be killed"?
814
00:36:06,987 --> 00:36:08,217
Lucas?
815
00:36:11,581 --> 00:36:13,037
Yes.
816
00:36:14,217 --> 00:36:16,732
That's why you shot
that state trooper in the leg
817
00:36:17,365 --> 00:36:19,217
and not through
the head or the heart
818
00:36:19,303 --> 00:36:21,561
like you've been practicing
your whole life to do?
819
00:36:21,943 --> 00:36:23,256
Yes.
820
00:36:26,537 --> 00:36:27,715
Thank you, Your Honor.
821
00:36:27,942 --> 00:36:29,380
No further questions.
822
00:36:29,466 --> 00:36:31,772
Let's take
a 20-minute recess.
823
00:36:38,489 --> 00:36:40,058
Did you bring me in here
to gloat?
824
00:36:40,143 --> 00:36:42,183
I brought you in here
to see if we could cut a deal.
825
00:36:42,514 --> 00:36:43,756
A deal?
826
00:36:44,278 --> 00:36:45,756
Why would you want
to make a deal?
827
00:36:45,842 --> 00:36:47,937
The jury is almost
certainly going to vote
828
00:36:48,023 --> 00:36:49,632
to let the boy go free.
829
00:36:50,062 --> 00:36:52,331
Because I'm not
necessarily convinced
830
00:36:52,416 --> 00:36:54,288
that that's
the best thing for him.
831
00:36:56,687 --> 00:36:58,765
Seemed like you guys
were talking for an hour.
832
00:36:58,851 --> 00:36:59,898
Where's he going?
833
00:36:59,984 --> 00:37:01,945
To tell the judge
the good news.
834
00:37:02,108 --> 00:37:03,210
We're done.
835
00:37:03,296 --> 00:37:05,273
No more jail,
no more court.
836
00:37:06,593 --> 00:37:07,977
Yvonne,
837
00:37:08,063 --> 00:37:11,570
the woman you stayed with
for three weeks, has agreed
838
00:37:11,664 --> 00:37:14,242
to let you live with her and
her family until you're 18.
839
00:37:14,426 --> 00:37:16,898
It's what we
call "probation."
840
00:37:17,883 --> 00:37:19,711
It's kind of like a test
841
00:37:19,797 --> 00:37:22,328
to see if you can
follow the rules, and...
842
00:37:23,074 --> 00:37:24,609
you don't have
any problems.
843
00:37:24,695 --> 00:37:26,562
And the A.D.A. and I
would also like you
844
00:37:26,648 --> 00:37:30,727
to see Dr. Statton
once a week.
845
00:37:30,813 --> 00:37:32,203
You remember her
from the hospital?
846
00:37:32,289 --> 00:37:33,596
She introduced us?
847
00:37:33,699 --> 00:37:35,172
She's a good doctor.
848
00:37:35,687 --> 00:37:37,492
A doctor for
your feelings.
849
00:37:37,638 --> 00:37:39,305
Someone for you
to talk to.
850
00:37:41,189 --> 00:37:42,335
Okay.
851
00:37:42,523 --> 00:37:43,727
That's it?
852
00:37:44,205 --> 00:37:45,643
It's a pretty terrific deal.
853
00:37:45,729 --> 00:37:46,781
Nice work.
854
00:37:46,867 --> 00:37:49,055
I didn't do it.
Lucas did.
855
00:37:49,900 --> 00:37:52,039
He got on the stand
and told the truth.
856
00:37:53,050 --> 00:37:54,555
But I can't go home?
857
00:37:56,393 --> 00:37:58,055
Not to your old home, no.
858
00:38:00,118 --> 00:38:01,828
It was never really yours.
859
00:38:02,003 --> 00:38:04,742
Your father
was a squatter.
860
00:38:04,884 --> 00:38:07,078
A person who
lives someplace,
861
00:38:07,361 --> 00:38:08,914
but doesn't
really own it.
862
00:38:09,273 --> 00:38:11,062
That's why he was
so protective of it.
863
00:38:11,181 --> 00:38:13,141
The guns, the alarms.
864
00:38:14,108 --> 00:38:16,203
He knew he wasn't
supposed to be there.
865
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:18,477
I'm sorry.
866
00:38:22,367 --> 00:38:23,844
The judge agreed.
867
00:38:28,582 --> 00:38:30,594
Does this mean
I can go to school now?
868
00:38:31,037 --> 00:38:33,042
I'm sure we can
figure something out.
869
00:38:33,819 --> 00:38:35,216
Learn to read?
870
00:38:35,352 --> 00:38:37,930
Oh, I'm sure
whatever school you end up at,
871
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,945
they'd love
to help you with that.
872
00:38:40,142 --> 00:38:43,365
Hey, you ever been
to a restaurant?
873
00:38:43,488 --> 00:38:44,710
What's that?
874
00:38:44,900 --> 00:38:48,645
Well, you ever been
to a celebration?
875
00:38:48,862 --> 00:38:50,023
I-I don't know.
876
00:38:50,109 --> 00:38:52,078
What does one look like?
877
00:38:52,287 --> 00:38:54,828
Oh, you've got your whole life
ahead of you.
878
00:38:55,174 --> 00:38:56,836
So much great stuff.
879
00:39:00,779 --> 00:39:02,781
Ask me about work today.
880
00:39:05,433 --> 00:39:06,867
Okay.
881
00:39:08,107 --> 00:39:09,641
How was work today?
882
00:39:09,754 --> 00:39:11,234
We've been working on this case.
883
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,629
This kid... he's, like, 16.
884
00:39:13,732 --> 00:39:16,383
Completely lost
the parent lottery.
885
00:39:16,890 --> 00:39:18,807
Up on murder charges.
886
00:39:18,916 --> 00:39:20,430
Mother's a junkie.
887
00:39:20,781 --> 00:39:22,359
Father was a delusional paranoid
888
00:39:22,445 --> 00:39:24,508
who thought
the world was coming to an end.
889
00:39:25,569 --> 00:39:27,310
And your point?
890
00:39:28,132 --> 00:39:30,049
It scares me.
891
00:39:31,593 --> 00:39:34,023
His parents must have been
in love once upon a time,
892
00:39:34,109 --> 00:39:36,155
or at the very least, in lust.
893
00:39:36,962 --> 00:39:40,375
This kid was... born a baby.
894
00:39:41,134 --> 00:39:43,867
A cute, beautiful baby.
895
00:39:45,709 --> 00:39:48,016
How did it all go so wrong?
896
00:39:49,124 --> 00:39:50,336
If God is so smart,
897
00:39:50,422 --> 00:39:53,961
why does he or she let people
like that have children,
898
00:39:54,134 --> 00:39:55,914
let alone be attracted
to each other?
899
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,397
You are so much smarter
than that question suggests.
900
00:39:59,775 --> 00:40:01,429
Maybe I'm not.
901
00:40:03,484 --> 00:40:06,305
Maybe I'm not really any of
the things I like to think I am.
902
00:40:06,391 --> 00:40:08,258
I mean...
903
00:40:09,058 --> 00:40:10,906
look at my parents.
904
00:40:12,010 --> 00:40:13,820
Look at what happened to me.
905
00:40:16,569 --> 00:40:21,289
So this is how we're gonna
make this momentous decision.
906
00:40:21,904 --> 00:40:25,633
In the middle of the
night, half asleep.
907
00:40:27,201 --> 00:40:28,891
I don't know.
908
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:32,289
Do you have an opinion?
909
00:40:33,985 --> 00:40:35,687
Actually, I do.
910
00:40:38,958 --> 00:40:42,758
I'm as frightened as you are...
of failing.
911
00:40:43,148 --> 00:40:46,750
I'm... terrified
912
00:40:46,924 --> 00:40:50,297
at the prospect of letting
another human being down.
913
00:40:52,090 --> 00:40:54,267
But there's also a part of me
that thinks it would be scary
914
00:40:54,352 --> 00:40:56,963
and dangerous
if I didn't have those fears.
915
00:40:59,317 --> 00:41:01,047
So what are you saying?
916
00:41:03,862 --> 00:41:06,195
I'm saying...
917
00:41:07,436 --> 00:41:10,787
your parents robbed
you of so much.
918
00:41:11,659 --> 00:41:14,180
Don't let them
rob you of this.
919
00:41:15,372 --> 00:41:17,039
This choice.
920
00:41:18,576 --> 00:41:21,781
If you don't want to
have a baby, let's not.
921
00:41:22,325 --> 00:41:25,807
But if you're afraid of having a
baby because of your parents...
922
00:41:28,032 --> 00:41:29,703
then I'm gonna
force you to have a baby
923
00:41:29,789 --> 00:41:31,391
just to prove you wrong.
924
00:41:32,787 --> 00:41:35,139
You and what army?
925
00:41:35,724 --> 00:41:37,703
Mm. Come here.
926
00:41:39,588 --> 00:41:41,141
I want to start
right now.
927
00:41:41,227 --> 00:41:44,070
You understand
this is not how this works.
928
00:41:44,156 --> 00:41:46,117
We go to an office.
929
00:41:46,352 --> 00:41:47,609
We don't do
it like this?
930
00:41:47,695 --> 00:41:48,977
Well, they show you porn.
931
00:41:49,063 --> 00:41:51,641
Porn? Really?
932
00:41:52,498 --> 00:41:53,977
Wow.
933
00:41:54,623 --> 00:41:56,891
The things we do
for our kids.
934
00:41:56,977 --> 00:41:58,829
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935
00:41:58,914 --> 00:42:00,391
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