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[suspense music]

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[phone dialling]

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[woman]
911, what is your emergency?

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[man over radio]
Ask them to help us
get a National Guard unit.

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[indistinct radio chatter]

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[man over radio]
Maybe with a helicopter to us.

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Let's get over
to Granby Town Hall!

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We need a National Guard
unit and a helicopter.

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-...through the trees, he's going up towards the fire hole. -Get him blocked. Stop him!

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...or Army National Guard,
need a whole lot of people...

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-[crash]
-[man] Oh, no!

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[Marv] Hello,
my name is Marvin Heemeyer.

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Today is April 13th, 2004.

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This tape is about my life
since I came up here in 1991.

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I am making this tape--

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really didn't think
it would make any difference
if I didn't make it,

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but a good friend of mine
said I should make it.

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Uh, he said I should sit down in front of a videotape machine

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and do it, but you're just
gonna have to take my word,

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this is Marv Heemeyer,
serial number 503-68-9471.

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I wanna say right now,
God bless me in advance

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for the task
that I am about to undertake.

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Marv Heemeyer,
he was from South Dakota

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and, uh, he served
in the Air Force.

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He realized that he had
a knack for welding,

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working on engines, and motors. He was stationed in Colorado

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and decided
to stay in Colorado when he
got out of the Air Force.

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[Marv] I moved up here
in the Fall in 1991

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to kind of take
a six-month vacation.

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I decided that, you know,
I probably ought to buy

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some property up here
to have something to do,

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so I, uh, looked
at this tree lot,

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with two little cabins, where
I'm living in here right now.

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And had a beautiful view.
The place was really cheap,

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so I bought them.

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[Brower]
He worked at a muffler shop.

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Moved up very quickly
in the business.

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At some point he just decided,
"Heck, I can do this myself,"

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and he went out and setup
his own muffler shops.

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He was able to have income
from businesses that

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he had started
mostly in Northern Denver
and Boulder area.

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[Marv] You know, if you got a champagne income with a beer keg,

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you're gonna do well. And that's what I've always had.

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Always believed that's
the way it should be.

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That's the only way
I could get ahead.

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I'm sure
he counted pennies in every
endeavor he ever undertook,

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and he wanted to run businesses
well so that they succeeded.

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And I think he cared
about his craft.

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[Trainor]
I knew of Marv Heemeyer

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because he ran
a muffler shop in Granby.

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He did a lot of great work
for people,

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ran that muffler shop
for a lot of years.

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Uh, I even had work done
at his shop.

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He had a reputation as being
the best welder around.

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We put this truck together
and the box was bouncing.

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I took it down there and said,
"Hey, Marv, what do you think?"

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And he said,
"Oh, I can fix that."

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And he grabbed his welder
and he ju-ju-ju, you know,

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it was done. Never broke,
never-- I mean, the guy
was a hell of a welder.

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He had a great reputation
in the town.

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I mean, he was an outdoorsman.
He loved to snowmobile.

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I didn't ever meet
anybody who disliked him.

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[Marv] I call it successful.
I think I was

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a very poor person
most of my life,

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but I--f--for who I was
and th--where I,

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what I was, I think
I was a very rich man.

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And I am thankful to God
for giving me that life.

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[Trisha Macdonald] I met Marvin
in the Lariat Saloon
in Grand Lake.

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I was there with a friend. He came in and he asked me out.

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I had not dated in
five years, you know.

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My marriage had split up
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but for some reason um,
I said yes and

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we went out and started seeing
each other for several years.

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He's old--
he was old school to me.

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You know,
men aren't-- people-- society
doesn't allow that anymore.

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You know, he's a handshake's
a handshake kind of guy to me.

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I mean, he was confident
and I thought he was handsome.

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And he was larger than life. You know, I felt safe with him.

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It's kind of personal,

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but he was the first man
that I was intimate with

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after my marriage.

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He was wonderful to me.

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He only met my children once,

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and he never had children,
as you know.

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But we did
quite a few road trips together
and never a dull moment.

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[Brower]
Marv loved to snowmobile.

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Ah, the Thursday group.
Every Thursday they'd take
the day off and go ride.

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Sometimes you'd have four guys,

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sometimes you'd have 24 riders.

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Just a great bunch of guys
to go out and ride with.

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Little Matty was the youngest.

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[Reed] When I started riding with Marv and the Thursday crew,

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I was 16 years old.

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And these guys were 40, 50.
I couldn't drink with them.

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I couldn't do any of that stuff.
I had to go home to Mom
and answer to Mom still.

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Marv was in some respects,
he took me under his wing.

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He helped teach me how
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work on snowmobiles.

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He was always a mentor

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and always helped, always gave.

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He was my best friend. I looked
at him as my bigger brother.

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I let Marv lead
unless it was someplace
I knew better than him.

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[Marv] That's where
we came from over there.

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This is here,
where we're supposed to be,

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and that's where Stu went,
way over there! [laughs]

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[Reed] Marv made glove dryers.

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We had a Marv grill.

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Marv would take stock steel,
bend it,

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custom to every machine.

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You weren't a snowmobiler
in Grand Lake unless you had
a Marv bumper.

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[Spencer] It would take
down four-inch trees,
five-inch trees

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and you'd just keep going.
That was a Marv bumper.

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[Trisha]
Yeah, he was the king, yeah.

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[Reed] If he got beat
by anybody on the mountain

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that was the last time
he got beat by that person.

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[Trisha]
He bought me my own Polaris

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that he taught me
how to get off trail

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and when in doubt, gas it.

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[Marv] It's a kind of a community that in order for you to get ahead,

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you have to keep
the neighbor down. It's not...

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you know, building yourself up
on your own merit,

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it's tear the other guy down.

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Grand County definitely at one
time was the Wild, Wild West.

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We've modernized it
from [indistinct],
but it is not uncommon

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at all in the wintertime
to have two weeks straight

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where the temperature
doesn't get above 10 degrees.

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[Farrell] You have to be
a little more independent,

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a little more
willing to do without.

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You have to like small towns.

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You kind of live
in a fishbowl to some extent

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because your neighbors
kind of know your business
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than they would be in the city.

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[Brower]
That can cause conflict.

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[Marv] After a few months
of living here I happen

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to cross a piece of property
down there in Granby,

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and this was about a month
before they were gonna have
this FDIC auction.

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[Trainor] Marv originally
bought the property

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that he was on
in a public auction.

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They were selling
FDIC-foreclosed properties.

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[Marv] Three thousand
square foot building

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and it had two
acres of ground.

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They had a bid for $35,000

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from some guy upfront.

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So, finally, they caught
my bid, so I got--

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the guy bid for 40.
And this other guy

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jumped up on a chair.

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I come to find out his name

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was Cody Docheff.

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[Brower] Cody Docheff
is the owner
of Mountain Park Concrete.

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The Docheffs were looking
for land upon which to put

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this concrete operation
with an indoor batch plant.

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Docheff also showed up
with Gus Harris.

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[Marv] Gus Harris was his buddy
there, sitting beside him.

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Gus was sponsoring the whole
financing on this thing,

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and Gus wasn't gonna pay
more than 50 grand for it

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and I was waiting for him
to bid and he wouldn't bid,

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so I got the property.

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[Brower] Marv says that
after he got the property

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he was accosted by Cody.

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[Marv] This guy
came back there and

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introduced himself to me,
in fact, the rudest,

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most arrogant person.

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I mean, this guy's just
a fucking asshole.

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Come back and just
introduced himself by

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giving me a tongue lashing
for about 10 minutes.

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I mean, this is the only guy
of all the properties
that sold before his,

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that was doing any screaming
at anybody during the auction.

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[Spencer] What I like about it here is we're in God's country.

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Why live anywhere else?

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But I don't like the way
the county's run.

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There's a good ol' boys club.

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[Brower] When he bought
the property it had
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a concrete mixer tank
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[Marv] In the summer of '92,

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they wanted me to be
annexed into the water
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so I said, "Great." I just
expected it to go through.

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Ron Thompson was on the board
for the sewer district.

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[Brower] Ron was pretty outspoken in the board meetings,

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so he may have said things that upset Marv at that meeting

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and taken a leadership role in making the decisions they made.

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Well, as it turns out,
the closest sewer main

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was many hundreds of feet
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so in order for Marv
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he would have had to build
a long service line

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from his property to the main.

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When he learned that to do
all that was gonna cost him

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anywhere from 60 to 70, maybe even 80 thousand dollars,

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Marv was upset.

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[Reed] They make you pay
for the installation

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of the sewer line
that you don't want,

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and then you have to still
hook yourself up.

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That's life-changing money.

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[Spencer]
Marv refused to do that.

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I never heard him talk bad
about anybody

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but the people that did him bad,

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the good ol' boys club.
He did not like 'em.

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[Marv] I never had anybody
sit there and plan

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to cut me out
of an opportunity
like the Thompsons did

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when they denied me access
to their sanitation district.

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It doesn't make any sense
other than that

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it was the good ol' boys patting each other on the back.

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Had they not done that,
I can assure you

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the outcome, the whole thing

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would have been
completely different!

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The Thompson family was what I'd
call a Granby legacy family,

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a wealthy working family
in the Granby area,

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making their money
off of excavation,
but also living off

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the fact that they owned
a lot of the land just because
they'd been here forever.

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The first Thompson clan that
settled in Granby

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actually bought
lodging properties

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and in the course
of that they bought

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little pieces of property
around town.

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The Thompsons formed
their own excavation company.

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Dick Thompson was the son
of the first Thompson family.

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Dick had several children.

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Ron was kind of a,
a leading son in the family.

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Larry was kind
of the older son who helped,

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and Gary went
right along with him

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doing a lot
of the excavation work.

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[Marv]
Gus Harris and Cody Docheff

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and the powers that be,
the Thompsons,

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if they would have left
me alone,

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I wouldn't have had
this righteous anger

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that I have
towards the Thompsons,

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their hierarchy, their attitude

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that they have left in that
community for so many years.

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And so many people think
like they do,

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screw your neighbor.

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[Brower] In Marv's eyes,
the Thompson family

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was the epitome
of the Granby establishment

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that did everything
they could to thwart Marv.

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[Marv] Well, I'm making
lemonade out of lemons,

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you know, I just
kept on about my business

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because this is a small
community and, you know,

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I need to fit in.

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Life was pretty good
and I was making

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a real good income
out of there.

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And in '98, the town went

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and spot-zoned the two acres

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directly south of me,
which is illegal in Colorado.

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And because no one protested it

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within 30 days, it became law
that they could do that.

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And this Docheff guy,
he's gonna sign

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and buy the property
next door to the west of me,

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and has a contract
on it to purchase it.

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And they were going to be able
to put this concrete plant

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right there
next to all those houses,

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downwind of the town.
And Cody's motivation

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was to get back at Marv.

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Well, I find this out too late

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and I be--I was right
in the dust pale

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of this whole operation.
And that wasn't gonna work

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because I didn't want
no frickin' concrete plant
next to me.

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[Broady] There was opposition
to the concrete plant,

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and we heard
we had public hearings.

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Uh, I was acting mayor
because the mayor

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and the mayor pro tem both
had conflicts of interest,

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so I presided
over the public hearings.

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We allowed the public
to come in, and it was

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a packed house.
People spoke for it,

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for the service
the concrete would provide.

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And there was lots of people
that spoke out against it.

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[Brower] Marv Heemeyer
did a great job of arousing

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public sentiment in his favor
against the batch plant.

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He felt that the batch plant
would hurt his business.

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He claimed
that there would be dust,

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that there would be noise, that there would be excess traffic.

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Who knew what they were going
to do to the water supply.

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He also made that argument
on behalf of people
in the neighborhood.

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Marv got a lot of these
people to show up and,

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basically, say we don't want it, we don't like it,

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what are you going to do
to our neighborhood?

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They voiced a lot
of the concerns
that Marv was voicing.

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This went on for a series
of three, four, maybe
even five meetings.

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And there'd be discourse and,
and discussion,

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and Cody would jump up
because he was so upset.

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He has, he's a fiery guy.

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The town ultimately approved

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Cody's batch plant down there,

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but with a host of,
of conditions,

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the typical things
that you see.

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I think I read the motion,
the whereas

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and the wherefores
and all that stuff

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to approve the batch plant.

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[Brower] And it was
at that meeting in '99

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where Marv promised
he'd fight 'em

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the whole way.

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[Marv]
In nature, wolves, coyotes,

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they have their territory.

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A mother just--look
at the mother,

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she will fight
to protect her young.

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And a male, a male
will definitely protect

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his territory. If he doesn't, he'll be overrun.

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Now, if an animal will do this,

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why wouldn't a man?

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[Brower]
In the meantime, the town is
cracking down hard on Marv

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saying there is a serious issue with your water and sewer.

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He ended up going
to Granby Municipal Court.

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Judge Noriyuki was presiding.

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She said we find you
in violation.

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We're gonna give you
a deferred judgment, however,

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and you can't use
the property for anything

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until you're hooked
up to water and sewer.

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You have to connect,
but 400 feet's a long way.

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There could be a piece
of property in the way

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and in this case
there was: Cody's.

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He needed the easement.
Cody wasn't gonna give him
the easement.

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[McClelland] The town contacts
him and says we're gonna
fine you $100 a day

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because you're operating
a business and you're not
hooked up to the sewer.

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[Brower] Marv wrote a check to the town,

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and he wrote
on the memo line,

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"Cowards and Liars
Department."

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And to add insult to injury,
they sent it back

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and said
the amount is incorrect.

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Well, this clearly angered Marv. He shows up at the town hall.

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They kept fining him because
he was an out-of-towner.

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He came up here
and small town...

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[McClelland] In Marv's mind
this was just another example

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of the town
not treating him fairly.

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[Brower] The Docheffs
were moving forward
with their proposal.

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Suddenly Marv
shows up with an attorney

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then he's saying I think that
we've caught you in a mistake.

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The town board was stunned.

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They called an executive
session, kicked everybody out.

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They said, well, we're gonna
put everything on hold

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until we can decide
what we're gonna do.

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[Farrell] The attorney made
us be very

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dot the i's, cross the t's,

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so we wanted to make sure
that whatever we did,

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we were right on the money with.

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[Brower]
They came back and said we're
gonna let them restart

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from square one so that
we can do it right this time.

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As a last ditch effort,
Marv filed a lawsuit
in district court.

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But the Docheffs,
they're serious about building

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this batch plant
as quickly as possible.

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They're moving forward as if
there's not any barrier

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to their progress at all.

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There's heavy equipment
operating

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at the soon-to-be
batch plant site.

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Marv is sitting here
watching all this happening,

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and I think he is
just stewing about it.

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[Marv]
You put yourself in my shoes

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and tell me
how you would feel,

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realizing that you've wasted
10 years of your life

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because of someone's malice.

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[Spencer] He's putting out money and he's getting shut down every corner,

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and then it was to nothing. I don't know how much he spent.

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I know one time he had
150 grand into it.

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And I said, "Well, you shouldn't
have spent that much money

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on these assholes because you
can't fight the government."

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Nine months later, the court
made its ruling on the lawsuit.

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Judge Doucet dismissed
the lawsuit completely.

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Suddenly,
Marv had nobody on his side.

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[Marv] My attorney,
as paid off as he was,

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that's all he was doing
was making money on the deal.

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He didn't care if I win or lose. As a matter of fact he said

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that he wouldn't appeal it.
I always told him, I says,

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"It's good enough
if we lose to appeal it

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to a higher court."
He though wouldn't do it.

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He would not appeal it.

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You know, they think that I
should have to stay down there

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in Granby. I should have kept
my muffler shop going.

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I should have put up with all the dust, all the, the snickers.

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You know the--the town council, I'd pass them in the post office

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and they'd snicker at me
after they knew I lost.

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On the street, Casey Farrell,
what a barbarian.

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He comes across being one
of those good guys.

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He's part of the problem.

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They knew what they were doing.

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They were trying
to run him out of town.

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[Marv] The town had a hard on
for Marv Heemeyer.

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They didn't stop a thing!
Marv didn't have
any malice towards us.

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This is a sign to not do this.

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No, they kept it
in their hardened hearts...

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and said we'll get him.
They started getting me

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in 1992 when they kept me off
the sanitation district.

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They started getting me when
Gus Harris sold the property

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to Cody Docheff.
They got me when they issued

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the building permit
to Cody Docheff

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for the concrete plant
and denied

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that it was
for the concrete plant.

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Are we all stupid?
Come on, they knew!

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And when I would ask them
these questions--

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but what you won't find
in the minutes,

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they would just shut right up,
stonewall you.

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They didn't have an answer.

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I'd shoot the truth
in their face

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and they couldn't deal
with it. And, and I'm sorry,

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they are going to have
to deal with it.

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I guarantee you I am going
to make them deal with it.

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[Trisha] The battle with
the town of Granby, you know,

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um we talked about it,
but I didn't get that feeling

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that he was so angry.

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00:21:08,136 --> 00:21:11,226
No one realized how...

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how... God, distorted
it was becoming to him.

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[Brower]
Marv was feeling defeated,

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humiliated, and at his wit's end
about what he was gonna do.

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He goes out, sits
in his hot tub with a beer

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in his hand,
and has inspiration.

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[Marv] When I was sitting
in the hot tub, and I mean
I was, I was weeping.

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And a peace came over me

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where I knew God
wanted me to do it.

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And I didn't understand.

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00:22:00,493 --> 00:22:03,452
I said, "Why did you ask me
to do this?

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00:22:04,279 --> 00:22:08,152
Is that why
I've never been married,
so I didn't have a family?

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00:22:08,196 --> 00:22:10,720
Is that why I've always
been successful

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00:22:10,764 --> 00:22:14,507
so that I would realize
my rewards for doing
this task?"

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00:22:15,682 --> 00:22:17,118
But it has to be done.

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00:22:17,771 --> 00:22:21,165
And the world
will write stories

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00:22:21,209 --> 00:22:23,080
about how wrong I am

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00:22:23,733 --> 00:22:27,389
and without a doubt I wish it
could be done a different way

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00:22:27,433 --> 00:22:30,523
but there is no way
to make this right.

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00:22:31,654 --> 00:22:34,178
You picked on the wrong man!

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[Brower] Cody,
do you remember the first time
you met Marv at that auction?

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00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:06,123
There is the difference
of points of view or memory

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about what happened
after Marv got it.

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00:23:08,648 --> 00:23:12,434
[Marv] Cody Docheff, I mean this guy's just a fucking asshole.

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00:23:12,478 --> 00:23:15,698
Come back and just introduced
himself by giving me

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00:23:15,742 --> 00:23:17,657
a tongue lashing
for about 10 minutes.

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00:23:26,056 --> 00:23:30,496
[Brower] The reason I ask
is that Marv claims that
you guys talked afterwards.

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[Marv] I talked to this guy
forever it seems like,

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and everybody around me, they
couldn't believe this asshole.

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00:23:39,635 --> 00:23:43,465
And this is the only guy of all the properties sold before his

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00:23:43,509 --> 00:23:46,555
that was doing any screaming
at anybody during the auction.

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00:23:46,599 --> 00:23:48,252
Gus doesn't remember it either.

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00:23:49,732 --> 00:23:53,997
[Gus] I uh, I've been a school
bus driver for 50 years.

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00:23:54,041 --> 00:23:57,827
Cody has been a good friend
for many, many years.

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00:23:57,871 --> 00:24:00,700
We have gone to auctions
together before on times.

431
00:24:00,743 --> 00:24:05,922
So, Cody went with me
but he had no party
in the-- in the auction.

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00:24:05,966 --> 00:24:10,840
Cody and I sat and listened
to another bid or two.

433
00:24:10,884 --> 00:24:13,408
There really wasn't much
of anything happened.

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00:24:13,452 --> 00:24:17,847
I don't know
what Marv did. I wasn't paying
any attention to him really.

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00:24:17,891 --> 00:24:21,851
And then we just got up
and, and, uh, left. Yeah.

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00:24:23,810 --> 00:24:28,554
Cody would maybe be
interested in the property
at a, at a future time,

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00:24:28,597 --> 00:24:31,992
but, uh, there was no agreement or talk between us

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00:24:32,035 --> 00:24:33,950
of him owning that property.

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00:24:36,213 --> 00:24:38,955
[Marv] Cody would have been mad
at anybody who would
have bought the property,

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00:24:38,999 --> 00:24:43,482
anybody, but, but you gotta go
there with enough money.

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00:24:43,525 --> 00:24:46,528
Otherwise you're the problem.

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00:24:46,572 --> 00:24:49,531
It's your fault
that this happened, not mine.

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00:24:51,751 --> 00:24:56,320
[Brower]
Marv in his tapes, the way
he characterizes the town,

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00:24:56,364 --> 00:25:00,020
me and many other people, just
did not reflect what I thought

445
00:25:00,063 --> 00:25:03,371
was the way those people
really were and really are.

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00:25:03,414 --> 00:25:05,286
[Marv] I wasted...

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00:25:06,722 --> 00:25:10,247
thirteen years of my life
down there

448
00:25:10,857 --> 00:25:14,338
because the Thompsons
were pissed off

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00:25:14,382 --> 00:25:16,340
that I bought that property.

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00:25:19,387 --> 00:25:22,651
[Larry Thompson]
We lived here all of our life.
We were born and raised here.

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00:25:23,957 --> 00:25:27,177
Probably gonna die here, so.
Where else you gonna go, but...

452
00:25:27,961 --> 00:25:31,921
No, our dad started here
in business in 1949.

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00:25:31,965 --> 00:25:34,837
We had our mom, our dad,
then we had another brother

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00:25:34,881 --> 00:25:38,972
between the two of us that got sick in '02, and he passed away.

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00:25:40,190 --> 00:25:44,020
And everybody has
their hardships, so we had
more than our fair share.

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00:25:44,064 --> 00:25:46,066
-A raft of 'em.
-A raft of 'em.

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00:25:47,067 --> 00:25:50,592
[Brower]
And the popular conception of the Thompson brothers is that

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they are the hardest working
millionaires in the county.

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00:25:53,247 --> 00:25:55,902
They probably could live well
off of the revenue

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00:25:55,945 --> 00:25:58,644
from their property
that they have in Granby.

461
00:25:58,687 --> 00:26:01,211
They could probably hire people but they don't.

462
00:26:01,255 --> 00:26:04,171
They choose to work
and I actually think
they like the work.

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00:26:04,737 --> 00:26:06,608
[Larry Thompson] We got
a whole yard full of stuff.

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00:26:06,652 --> 00:26:08,915
We don't hire any help.
We just do it ourselves.

465
00:26:08,958 --> 00:26:11,831
It's fun, so keeps us
out of trouble, so...

466
00:26:13,484 --> 00:26:18,098
[Marv] I spent one day here
in the spring of 2003,

467
00:26:18,141 --> 00:26:23,320
the Thompson brothers
were down below my house
here in Grand Lake,

468
00:26:23,364 --> 00:26:25,584
digging a foundation
for a house.

469
00:26:25,627 --> 00:26:28,717
Larry Thompson was standing out by his truck by himself,

470
00:26:28,761 --> 00:26:31,807
so I drove up to him and had
a few words with him.

471
00:26:31,851 --> 00:26:34,505
Basically what I told him was
that, "You know, Larry,

472
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:37,900
you know, about in 1992,
your family

473
00:26:37,944 --> 00:26:42,122
financially affected my life
for the rest of my life."

474
00:26:42,165 --> 00:26:45,821
Well, Marv had a beef
with our dad because
he was on the town board,

475
00:26:46,605 --> 00:26:51,435
town council for a lot of years.
And in the last years
of his life, he was the mayor.

476
00:26:51,479 --> 00:26:55,875
[Marv] And I says, "You owe me,
I want $300,000 from you."

477
00:26:55,918 --> 00:26:57,964
And he says it'll never happen.

478
00:26:58,007 --> 00:27:00,662
And I says,
"Well, I guarantee you, Larry,

479
00:27:00,706 --> 00:27:02,316
I'm gonna collect."

480
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,666
One day, we always
was friendly to him,

481
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:06,799
you know, and he rolled
his window down and he says,

482
00:27:06,842 --> 00:27:09,279
"I'm gonna get you guys." And
rolled his windows up and left,

483
00:27:09,323 --> 00:27:11,455
and that's the last time
we ever talked to him.

484
00:27:11,499 --> 00:27:15,329
[Marv] He basically confirmed
in my mind right there

485
00:27:16,591 --> 00:27:18,158
that he knew
what I was talking about.

486
00:27:18,201 --> 00:27:20,203
And he knew what had been done

487
00:27:20,247 --> 00:27:22,684
because he had one thing
to say. He screamed it at me

488
00:27:22,728 --> 00:27:25,034
as I am about five truck
lengths away.

489
00:27:25,078 --> 00:27:28,908
He screamed,
"You can suck my dick!"

490
00:27:28,951 --> 00:27:31,824
Well, when someone
is that frustrated

491
00:27:31,867 --> 00:27:34,130
that they've gotta say
something like that,

492
00:27:34,174 --> 00:27:35,828
you know they know.

493
00:27:37,568 --> 00:27:40,441
It was all politics related, so

494
00:27:40,484 --> 00:27:43,357
I don't think anybody
ever done him wrong on purpose.

495
00:27:46,447 --> 00:27:47,796
You never know
what gets into people.

496
00:27:49,711 --> 00:27:51,321
[Marv] He's a cowardly bastard.

497
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,848
He's a Catholic,
and I think they are
some of the biggest cowards

498
00:27:55,891 --> 00:27:59,199
I have ever met.
They believe the only way
that they can stay on top

499
00:27:59,765 --> 00:28:01,680
is to keep their neighbor down.

500
00:28:02,419 --> 00:28:05,727
[Brower] I think
that Marv might have seen
in the Thompson family

501
00:28:05,771 --> 00:28:08,817
an example of what he
may have really aspired to,

502
00:28:09,688 --> 00:28:13,909
which was being a relatively
wealthy, land-owning family

503
00:28:13,953 --> 00:28:18,087
that worked with their hands,
worked with heavy equipment,

504
00:28:18,131 --> 00:28:21,612
that were able to make a living
at it and be successful.

505
00:28:22,744 --> 00:28:25,660
[Gary Thompson] This is
my die-cast toy collection.

506
00:28:25,704 --> 00:28:29,533
I've probably been collecting
15 years now,
maybe a little longer.

507
00:28:30,404 --> 00:28:33,059
And this is kind of my hobby
that I do in the evenings,

508
00:28:33,102 --> 00:28:34,538
mainly in the wintertime.

509
00:28:35,539 --> 00:28:38,238
So I just buy one,
two toys once in a while

510
00:28:38,281 --> 00:28:39,369
as I can afford it.

511
00:28:41,328 --> 00:28:43,025
[man]
Is this your favorite truck?

512
00:28:43,069 --> 00:28:44,461
[Larry Thompson]
They're all favorite trucks.

513
00:28:44,984 --> 00:28:46,725
They're our toys.

514
00:28:49,075 --> 00:28:51,817
So... But anyway.

515
00:28:54,297 --> 00:28:56,952
I went down to talk to Marv
about his business

516
00:28:56,996 --> 00:28:59,346
and whether he'd like us to do
a new business story,

517
00:28:59,389 --> 00:29:00,956
and would he like to buy
some advertising.

518
00:29:04,307 --> 00:29:07,180
And Marv was only open
at select hours.

519
00:29:07,223 --> 00:29:11,010
Marv ran that business
so he could indulge
in his snowmobiling habit.

520
00:29:11,053 --> 00:29:13,360
I must've gone back down
to the muffler shop

521
00:29:13,403 --> 00:29:16,363
three-four times
and Marv was never there.

522
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,975
[Marv] This newspaper guy,
Patrick Brower,

523
00:29:20,019 --> 00:29:22,151
this guy hated me.

524
00:29:22,195 --> 00:29:25,024
When I first came
up here in uh '91,

525
00:29:25,067 --> 00:29:26,895
he said that
he was gonna come down

526
00:29:26,939 --> 00:29:28,418
and do an article
on my little business.

527
00:29:28,462 --> 00:29:30,464
Well, he never did do it.

528
00:29:30,507 --> 00:29:33,119
You know, he was doing everything he could

529
00:29:33,162 --> 00:29:36,557
to keep me from getting
any additional publicity.

530
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,994
He knows how to abuse
the power of the pen.

531
00:29:39,038 --> 00:29:42,519
And that's a big thing
up here is abuse of power.

532
00:29:42,563 --> 00:29:44,783
[Brower] When the time came
where I ran into Marv,

533
00:29:44,826 --> 00:29:46,915
he was all upset with me
for never doing his story.

534
00:29:46,959 --> 00:29:49,396
I said, "Marv, why don't
I just give you an ad."

535
00:29:50,266 --> 00:29:52,965
Yeah, I took a photo of Marv
and ran a free ad for him.

536
00:29:53,008 --> 00:29:55,706
It was I think a $200 ad
that he got for nothing.

537
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:59,058
[Marv] I know
the newspaper guy, that guy,

538
00:29:59,101 --> 00:30:01,930
he has told so many lies.
It's one thing about lying--

539
00:30:01,974 --> 00:30:05,629
you tell a lie,
usually you gotta tell
five more to cover that up.

540
00:30:12,767 --> 00:30:16,945
I came to Granby in '78,
three kids raised here.

541
00:30:16,989 --> 00:30:18,642
Bought the store in '92.

542
00:30:18,686 --> 00:30:21,341
We try to be part
of the community

543
00:30:21,384 --> 00:30:23,865
and support the community
because they support us.

544
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:27,564
So that's how I got kind
of involved in town board thing.

545
00:30:27,608 --> 00:30:31,133
[Marv] Casey Farrell,
what a barbarian.

546
00:30:31,742 --> 00:30:34,789
He comes across being
one of those good guys.

547
00:30:36,747 --> 00:30:38,314
He's part of the problem.

548
00:30:38,358 --> 00:30:40,708
Casey and Ronda Farrell
and their family

549
00:30:40,751 --> 00:30:43,189
are the kind of people
you want for neighbors.

550
00:30:43,232 --> 00:30:45,191
He never did anything
with ill intent.

551
00:30:45,931 --> 00:30:47,889
He never did anything
with malice.

552
00:30:47,933 --> 00:30:51,632
[Marv] The town council, I'd pass them in the post office

553
00:30:51,675 --> 00:30:55,070
and they'd snicker at me
after they knew I lost.

554
00:30:56,898 --> 00:30:59,466
[Farrell] In that batch plant,
I felt like it was a positive,

555
00:30:59,509 --> 00:31:01,511
and I couldn't see
a downside for Marv.

556
00:31:02,556 --> 00:31:06,212
It was gonna supply concrete
so the community could grow.

557
00:31:06,255 --> 00:31:08,518
The opportunity for jobs.

558
00:31:08,562 --> 00:31:10,999
I mean, he might get a little
dust on his muffler shop,

559
00:31:11,043 --> 00:31:13,610
but it wasn't all that clean
to begin with.

560
00:31:13,654 --> 00:31:16,918
[Marv] How many times do you have to try to deal with a man?

561
00:31:16,962 --> 00:31:21,357
Come on, Cody, be reasonable,
but that's what you cannot do

562
00:31:21,401 --> 00:31:24,491
with people in the mountains,
especially in Granby.

563
00:31:28,451 --> 00:31:31,890
[Brower] Cody Docheff built his concrete business from the ground up.

564
00:31:31,933 --> 00:31:35,241
He's what I would call
a kind of a salt
of the earth businessman

565
00:31:35,284 --> 00:31:37,896
who, uh, is a doer.
He's a hard worker.

566
00:31:38,461 --> 00:31:40,855
Maybe Marv and Cody
had some head butting

567
00:31:40,899 --> 00:31:43,597
just because they are both
alpha personalities

568
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:44,946
or something of that nature.

569
00:31:46,730 --> 00:31:47,906
[Farrell] I think they're both
pretty good at what they do.

570
00:31:48,602 --> 00:31:50,299
Neither one of 'em
were trust fund babies.

571
00:31:50,996 --> 00:31:53,041
Cody's worked hard
to get where he's at.

572
00:31:53,085 --> 00:31:54,651
Cody's, Cody's Cody.

573
00:31:55,565 --> 00:31:57,524
-It's just his nature.
-It's just his nature.

574
00:31:57,567 --> 00:31:59,395
You know, he's just,
he tells it the way it is.

575
00:31:59,439 --> 00:32:01,658
-If you don't like it...
-He just tells ya.

576
00:32:01,702 --> 00:32:04,313
He tells ya, you know.
He's a good guy, you know.

577
00:32:04,357 --> 00:32:06,098
He'd do anything for ya,
but he's just...

578
00:32:06,794 --> 00:32:09,710
got a little short fuse,
goes off, but he's okay,

579
00:32:09,753 --> 00:32:11,886
-you know.
-Oh, yeah, he has
a bit of a temper,

580
00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:14,106
-but he, he's all right.
-He's all right, you know.

581
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:16,586
He's a little Bulgarian.

582
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:20,242
He's quite quick.
He's a good man.

583
00:32:20,286 --> 00:32:23,854
He's done all right
around here, works his butt off
like everybody else.

584
00:32:23,898 --> 00:32:26,988
-Yeah, he, he's earned it.
-Yeah, he's earned
every nickel he made.

585
00:32:27,032 --> 00:32:29,295
-He came here
with basically nothing.
-Nothing.

586
00:32:29,338 --> 00:32:30,470
Uh, Marv and Cody

587
00:32:31,514 --> 00:32:32,994
probably could have been
friends.

588
00:32:34,865 --> 00:32:39,174
[Marv]
For years I tried to appease Cody Docheff's misguided anger.

589
00:32:39,218 --> 00:32:41,568
I bought
every bit of concrete,

590
00:32:41,611 --> 00:32:43,700
which turned out to be shit.

591
00:32:47,095 --> 00:32:50,229
[Brower] Marv complained
about the sewer board
holding him over a barrel,

592
00:32:50,272 --> 00:32:52,709
but that was completely
standard procedure.

593
00:32:52,753 --> 00:32:54,755
It's true that
it can be expensive,

594
00:32:54,798 --> 00:32:56,757
but Cody connected
when he built the batch plant,

595
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,150
and it would not cost much

596
00:32:58,193 --> 00:33:00,065
for Marv to have hooked on.

597
00:33:01,718 --> 00:33:04,199
The Docheffs called up
Marv and said, "Marv,

598
00:33:04,243 --> 00:33:08,508
we'll give you an easement
for your water and sewer

599
00:33:08,551 --> 00:33:11,380
if you drop your lawsuit
against the town and us."

600
00:33:12,294 --> 00:33:16,211
Marv just hung up. When he
was called into the court

601
00:33:16,255 --> 00:33:18,822
because he hadn't connected
his sewer lines,

602
00:33:18,866 --> 00:33:22,000
he's clearly stalling
on resolving this issue.

603
00:33:22,043 --> 00:33:25,873
This is where Marv
confronts Deb Hess,
who is a town clerk.

604
00:33:26,526 --> 00:33:28,832
[Brower] So, Deb, did you have
any dealings with Marv?

605
00:33:28,876 --> 00:33:31,531
[Hess] He had come in my office, he was accusing me

606
00:33:31,574 --> 00:33:33,576
of going over to the bank
and badmouthing him.

607
00:33:33,620 --> 00:33:35,970
I said, "Mr. Heemeyer,
I wasn't over at the bank

608
00:33:36,014 --> 00:33:39,278
and I wouldn't do that.
I mean, I have no reason
to badmouth him.

609
00:33:39,321 --> 00:33:41,106
I just said
I just need a different check.

610
00:33:41,149 --> 00:33:42,977
[Brower] Actually, he had made a mistake

611
00:33:43,021 --> 00:33:44,892
when he wrote out the amount.

612
00:33:44,935 --> 00:33:47,677
Marv corrects
the verbiage on the check

613
00:33:47,721 --> 00:33:50,550
and then the check clears
and he's paid his fine.

614
00:33:50,593 --> 00:33:53,379
Marv's anger affected
his interpretation of events

615
00:33:53,422 --> 00:33:55,903
with Dietze as well.
He believed Dietze milked him

616
00:33:55,946 --> 00:33:57,861
for money
and abandoned him on appeal.

617
00:33:58,732 --> 00:34:00,995
But if Dietze was really
out to milk Heemeyer

618
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:03,084
why didn't he go
to the appeal?

619
00:34:03,128 --> 00:34:05,782
It'd be a way to milk
another $55,000 out of him.

620
00:34:06,566 --> 00:34:11,005
And the irony is Cody
had been offering to buy
Marv out from the beginning,

621
00:34:11,049 --> 00:34:14,922
and Marv saw an opportunity
to sell that two-acre parcel

622
00:34:14,965 --> 00:34:18,186
that he had bought at that auction to the Docheffs.

623
00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:21,972
[Broady] Marv put a price
on his property of $250,000.

624
00:34:22,495 --> 00:34:26,064
That's a pretty good profit,
six times what he paid for it.

625
00:34:26,107 --> 00:34:28,066
Cody had agreed to 250,000.

626
00:34:28,109 --> 00:34:30,981
Immediately,
Marv backed out and said no,

627
00:34:31,025 --> 00:34:32,853
I want 375,000.

628
00:34:32,896 --> 00:34:34,811
Cody said all right,
we'll pay that.

629
00:34:34,855 --> 00:34:36,683
Marv backed out again.

630
00:34:36,726 --> 00:34:39,251
I'm not sure if Marv
was looking for a fight

631
00:34:39,294 --> 00:34:42,558
at that point in time.
He had a way out.

632
00:34:42,602 --> 00:34:44,560
He had a way out
to make some good money

633
00:34:44,604 --> 00:34:46,736
and, and go on about his life,

634
00:34:46,780 --> 00:34:49,043
but he chose that path
for whatever reason.

635
00:34:51,393 --> 00:34:54,875
At the town level,
the people on there are just

636
00:34:54,918 --> 00:34:57,704
everyday people
that want to give back.

637
00:34:58,487 --> 00:35:00,924
And to say that the people
that sit behind us

638
00:35:00,968 --> 00:35:04,232
in this board room do things
for any other reason

639
00:35:04,972 --> 00:35:11,544
than trying to make a difference
and trying to do what's right,
they're sadly mistaken.

640
00:35:11,587 --> 00:35:13,807
[Farrell] He was raising hell about Cody and the batch plant,

641
00:35:14,503 --> 00:35:20,074
Marv... actually made
that better for the town

642
00:35:20,118 --> 00:35:25,732
because he was raising issues
that the people on the board
they hadn't thought about.

643
00:35:26,602 --> 00:35:29,910
So he'd come in and he'd
say, "well, what about dust?"
or this, or that or whatever,

644
00:35:31,129 --> 00:35:34,132
they'd go,
"Well, that makes sense to me.
What do you think, Cody?"

645
00:35:34,175 --> 00:35:35,698
"Oh, yeah, I can fix that,
no big deal."

646
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,789
So we really got
a better deal for the town

647
00:35:39,833 --> 00:35:42,227
because of Marv complaining.

648
00:35:42,270 --> 00:35:45,273
Well, after we approved it,
it was, actually,
I-- I felt like it was

649
00:35:46,492 --> 00:35:48,929
a pretty damn good deal,
really.

650
00:35:48,972 --> 00:35:51,149
[Brower] Marv's assumption
that there was this group

651
00:35:51,192 --> 00:35:53,325
of community leaders
that would get together

652
00:35:53,368 --> 00:35:55,022
at the coffee shop
in the morning and

653
00:35:55,065 --> 00:35:57,416
conspire
about how to keep Marv

654
00:35:57,459 --> 00:35:59,592
from moving forward
because he's the new guy...

655
00:36:00,549 --> 00:36:01,942
It's patently untrue.

656
00:36:02,812 --> 00:36:06,512
He was upset.
He wanted to have it his way

657
00:36:06,555 --> 00:36:08,253
and it wasn't gonna go his way.

658
00:36:20,003 --> 00:36:23,703
[Brower] Marv went to California probably based on an advertisement

659
00:36:23,746 --> 00:36:25,922
he saw in a Ritchie Bros.
auction site

660
00:36:25,966 --> 00:36:30,057
for this Komatsu
D355 bulldozer.

661
00:36:30,797 --> 00:36:32,668
Marv bid on it
and got it at a great deal.

662
00:36:37,891 --> 00:36:41,242
It's a big dozer,
yeah, big dozer.

663
00:36:41,286 --> 00:36:43,331
[Brower] He then stuck it
on a flatbed, had it driven

664
00:36:43,375 --> 00:36:46,204
all the way to Granby,
Colorado, from California.

665
00:36:46,247 --> 00:36:49,337
He had it delivered
in July of 2002.

666
00:36:49,381 --> 00:36:51,948
We're sitting eating dinner one
night and this big yellow truck

667
00:36:51,992 --> 00:36:54,734
comes in town with this
big dozer on it. We sat down
there and watched them

668
00:36:54,777 --> 00:36:56,431
unload that thing off
the trailer.

669
00:36:56,475 --> 00:36:58,564
But we were working
the next county up,

670
00:36:58,607 --> 00:37:01,480
and it was midnight
or one in the morning

671
00:37:01,523 --> 00:37:05,658
before we got back
to our warehouse,
but we took the back way.

672
00:37:05,701 --> 00:37:08,530
And they're unloading
that dozer

673
00:37:08,574 --> 00:37:11,881
that night.
It's just really strange.

674
00:37:11,925 --> 00:37:14,580
That thing, it's a pretty
good-sized tractor. We thought,

675
00:37:14,623 --> 00:37:17,539
"What in the heck
is he gonna do with
that goddam thing, you know?"

676
00:37:17,583 --> 00:37:20,890
[Brower] He ended up parking the dozer up on the access road

677
00:37:20,934 --> 00:37:25,808
to the muffler property
so that the blade was facing
out on this dirt road.

678
00:37:26,418 --> 00:37:29,029
And he had right in the middle
of the blade, a for sale sign.

679
00:37:29,595 --> 00:37:33,381
And it just sat there through
that winter of 2002 to 2003.

680
00:37:33,425 --> 00:37:37,298
[Spencer] He parked Komatsu
outside the muffler shop

681
00:37:37,342 --> 00:37:39,431
just to make Docheff nervous.

682
00:37:40,258 --> 00:37:43,609
That's why he bought it--
for the intimidation factor.

683
00:37:51,138 --> 00:37:53,880
[Marv] I wanted
these people to learn,

684
00:37:54,489 --> 00:37:59,146
and he knew that I eventually
would get to the point

685
00:37:59,189 --> 00:38:02,628
where I wouldn't put up
with what they were
taking away from me,

686
00:38:02,671 --> 00:38:04,673
for what they had denied me.

687
00:38:04,717 --> 00:38:07,110
God knew Marv Heemeyer
very well.

688
00:38:09,722 --> 00:38:13,943
[Brower] Essentially,
he becomes the victim
that is then justified

689
00:38:13,987 --> 00:38:16,816
in reacting against
all these people
that have done him wrong.

690
00:38:16,859 --> 00:38:19,949
[Marv] We know
he wants to get out of it.
We know he knows he's screwed.

691
00:38:19,993 --> 00:38:22,430
Let's really screw him,
you know.

692
00:38:22,474 --> 00:38:24,824
That's exactly
what their attitude was.

693
00:38:24,867 --> 00:38:28,262
And, and they did.
I had no choice.

694
00:38:28,306 --> 00:38:29,872
What was I supposed to do?

695
00:38:32,005 --> 00:38:36,183
[Brower] The allegation
is that somehow the town
ruined Marv's business--

696
00:38:36,226 --> 00:38:38,446
the town didn't do anything
to shut him down.

697
00:38:38,490 --> 00:38:41,188
He still had access
to his property.

698
00:38:41,231 --> 00:38:44,409
Marv just on his own
decided to completely
shut down his muffler shop

699
00:38:44,452 --> 00:38:46,106
and put it all up to auction.

700
00:38:47,629 --> 00:38:51,329
[Marv] You know, God has his timing, his plans made out.

701
00:38:51,938 --> 00:38:54,027
And it looks like
it's going to be

702
00:38:54,070 --> 00:38:56,421
because the one thing
that I have wanted to do

703
00:38:56,464 --> 00:38:59,598
is get caught. I had hoped
that somebody would catch me

704
00:38:59,641 --> 00:39:01,600
and that this whole thing
would stop.

705
00:39:02,209 --> 00:39:04,385
And that would be a good sign
for me not to do it.

706
00:39:06,518 --> 00:39:08,911
[Brower]
So Marv conducted the auction
of all the materials

707
00:39:08,955 --> 00:39:11,784
relating to his shop.
Included in the items

708
00:39:11,827 --> 00:39:14,177
he was gonna auction
was this dozer.

709
00:39:14,917 --> 00:39:17,790
[Marv] This Komatsu
was in excellent condition.

710
00:39:17,833 --> 00:39:21,968
I was willing at the auction
to take 33,000 for it.

711
00:39:22,577 --> 00:39:26,059
Couldn't get a bid,
so I kept the dozer.

712
00:39:26,668 --> 00:39:30,498
And it also is unique
how I had five things

713
00:39:30,542 --> 00:39:32,979
at the auction
and they sold.

714
00:39:33,675 --> 00:39:35,373
But what two things did I keep?

715
00:39:35,982 --> 00:39:39,072
The Komatsu dozer
and the property.

716
00:39:39,115 --> 00:39:41,335
If they would have bought it
at that auction

717
00:39:41,379 --> 00:39:45,295
of 450,000,
I would have walked away,

718
00:39:46,166 --> 00:39:48,777
but there wasn't one bid.

719
00:39:50,213 --> 00:39:52,346
So stop and think about this:

720
00:39:53,086 --> 00:39:56,437
I wasn't supposed
to walk away from this

721
00:39:56,481 --> 00:39:59,222
because the Komatsu
was still there.

722
00:40:06,621 --> 00:40:09,276
[Trisha] You know I had
quit smoking for nine years

723
00:40:09,319 --> 00:40:11,583
and I'd become
this closet smoker, you know.

724
00:40:11,626 --> 00:40:14,107
I'd sneak them,
which is ridiculous, I know.

725
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:17,023
And he, uh, he didn't like that

726
00:40:18,024 --> 00:40:20,243
and we got
into an argument about it.

727
00:40:20,287 --> 00:40:22,376
That's when things
went downhill,

728
00:40:23,551 --> 00:40:25,553
and then we quit
seeing each other.

729
00:40:26,424 --> 00:40:30,036
It was maybe easier to,
to break it up, you know.

730
00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:36,477
I don't know the details,
but just him talking about her,

731
00:40:38,436 --> 00:40:42,178
he was very in love with her.
I knew that.

732
00:40:42,222 --> 00:40:45,181
[man] Is it possible
that he felt stronger
about you than you did him?

733
00:40:53,146 --> 00:40:56,018
[Brower] Marv was still
perplexed about what to do
with his property.

734
00:40:56,062 --> 00:40:59,500
Travis Busse
and his partner were owners
of the trash company.

735
00:40:59,544 --> 00:41:02,590
They had negotiated with Marv
to lease his two acres

736
00:41:02,634 --> 00:41:05,375
as a staging point
for their trucks.

737
00:41:05,419 --> 00:41:09,336
And I was trying to look
for an area where it was
more commercial,

738
00:41:09,379 --> 00:41:12,513
than I could actually have
a garage that I could keep
my trucks in the winter.

739
00:41:12,557 --> 00:41:15,473
He had the perfect building
right there in town.

740
00:41:15,516 --> 00:41:19,389
[Marv] What was unique is
I find out that the dozer

741
00:41:19,433 --> 00:41:21,827
is two inches shorter

742
00:41:21,870 --> 00:41:23,176
than 12 feet,

743
00:41:23,219 --> 00:41:25,004
one inch narrower

744
00:41:25,047 --> 00:41:26,440
than the door.

745
00:41:26,484 --> 00:41:28,616
So I said let's put it inside

746
00:41:28,660 --> 00:41:30,531
because then I can build it

747
00:41:30,575 --> 00:41:32,577
to do what I am supposed to do.

748
00:41:33,708 --> 00:41:36,929
The Komatsu just barely fit
through the door.

749
00:41:38,713 --> 00:41:43,413
[Marv] Why did that particular
dozer fit in the building?

750
00:41:44,458 --> 00:41:48,636
Why had I not bought
one of the D9s
at that Fresno auction.

751
00:41:49,550 --> 00:41:53,467
So, so I'm thinking,
"Well, this is good. I get it
inside, now I can build it.

752
00:41:54,729 --> 00:41:56,426
Must be
what I'm supposed to do."

753
00:42:00,169 --> 00:42:02,258
At that time,
we were getting bigger

754
00:42:02,302 --> 00:42:05,261
and we needed a place
to where we could call home.

755
00:42:05,305 --> 00:42:08,743
[Brower] Travis finally
offered Marv $400,000

756
00:42:08,787 --> 00:42:11,354
and Marv agreed
to sell the land to them

757
00:42:11,398 --> 00:42:14,880
for that amount.
Sure enough, I think it was
even within 24 hours,

758
00:42:14,923 --> 00:42:17,578
Travis had water and sewer
hooked up to the property.

759
00:42:17,622 --> 00:42:20,886
[Travis]
We bought it all and he
basically back rented from us

760
00:42:20,929 --> 00:42:23,279
the building that he put
the dozer in.

761
00:42:23,845 --> 00:42:27,806
[Marv] And this will be
the first time that I've ever
done something like that

762
00:42:27,849 --> 00:42:30,678
the way they want it to be done, the way they do it,

763
00:42:30,722 --> 00:42:34,595
to do it in secret, to do
things behind their back,

764
00:42:34,639 --> 00:42:36,989
to lie to you.
I've had to do that.

765
00:42:37,032 --> 00:42:40,122
People'd ask me what am I doing? Oh, I'm not doin' anything.

766
00:42:40,166 --> 00:42:44,039
[laughs] I spent 2003
in that friggin' building,

767
00:42:44,083 --> 00:42:48,435
lived there
without a shower for as much
as four days at a time,

768
00:42:48,478 --> 00:42:52,091
working on that dozer,
getting it prepared.

769
00:42:52,134 --> 00:42:54,484
[Brower] Marv built
a little sleeping area,

770
00:42:54,528 --> 00:42:57,575
complete with cot,
TV, hotplate, water,

771
00:42:58,227 --> 00:43:01,753
so that he could basically work 24/7 on the dozer.

772
00:43:03,276 --> 00:43:05,974
He ended up bringing
in all the sheets of steel
into the shed.

773
00:43:06,018 --> 00:43:09,238
He had torches in the shed.
He had all kinds
of tools in the shed.

774
00:43:10,936 --> 00:43:16,811
He built a lift which could
lift large, heavy things,
mainly sheets of steel.

775
00:43:16,855 --> 00:43:20,293
It actually lifted 'em up
and held 'em in place
while he welded 'em in place.

776
00:43:20,336 --> 00:43:24,863
[McClelland]
It was 1/2-inch steel.
He had spacers that he put in,

777
00:43:24,906 --> 00:43:28,257
so he had two layers
of steel plate.

778
00:43:28,301 --> 00:43:31,130
And he poured concrete down
in between them.

779
00:43:31,173 --> 00:43:34,133
[Travis] And then lifted
the outer shell of that dozer.

780
00:43:34,176 --> 00:43:36,483
So that made it
a super fortified gap.

781
00:43:37,353 --> 00:43:40,313
He was working on it at night,
sleeping during the day, so,

782
00:43:40,356 --> 00:43:44,665
but you'd think somebody
would've known what was going
on down there. But, evidently...

783
00:43:45,710 --> 00:43:49,148
[Brower] And he put in
surveillance cameras
on the outside of the shed,

784
00:43:49,191 --> 00:43:51,846
hooked up to monitors
he had on inside of the shed.

785
00:43:51,890 --> 00:43:54,414
I think he kind of watched us
and our schedule,

786
00:43:54,457 --> 00:43:57,722
so he knew that basically when
we left at five or six at night

787
00:43:57,765 --> 00:43:59,811
he was free
to work and make noise.

788
00:44:01,943 --> 00:44:04,990
[Marv]
I don't understand. I guess
I'm a dumb, I'm a dumb person.

789
00:44:05,033 --> 00:44:08,297
I'm not as witty as some.
I'm not as sharp as some.

790
00:44:09,951 --> 00:44:12,650
I don't know that that's the backbone of America though.

791
00:44:13,389 --> 00:44:16,175
I don't know what the backbone
of America is anymore.

792
00:44:16,218 --> 00:44:18,307
I did my buying that property--

793
00:44:18,351 --> 00:44:21,659
you are so mistaken
about the real world.

794
00:44:21,702 --> 00:44:25,184
You know, you can call it
revenge... I don't know.

795
00:44:25,793 --> 00:44:28,013
Maybe what happened here,

796
00:44:29,275 --> 00:44:31,190
maybe you'll remember that.

797
00:44:31,233 --> 00:44:34,802
Marv knew he was gonna be
spending long periods of time

798
00:44:34,846 --> 00:44:38,545
in the shed,
and he had in there
a little small video collection

799
00:44:38,588 --> 00:44:41,330
that he could watch. One
of the movies he had in there

800
00:44:41,374 --> 00:44:43,768
was a Vin Diesel film,
called A Man Apart.

801
00:44:43,811 --> 00:44:47,989
The hero of the movie
loses his wife
to a gang of criminals.

802
00:44:48,033 --> 00:44:50,818
He takes the law into his own
hands, goes out there,

803
00:44:50,862 --> 00:44:54,822
shoots up the bad guys,
and the movie ends
with him alone,

804
00:44:54,866 --> 00:44:58,565
but he has somehow
redeemed and purified
the corrupt society.

805
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,091
When we purchased the property,
we had to have insurance
on every building,

806
00:45:03,135 --> 00:45:06,094
so we had
to actually do a walkthrough
through that building.

807
00:45:07,182 --> 00:45:12,361
[Marv] Last fall I had
this dozer about half done.

808
00:45:12,405 --> 00:45:15,103
Had the dozer covered up with these polypropylene tarps,

809
00:45:16,017 --> 00:45:19,020
so these guys come in.
"Oh, wow, what's this?"

810
00:45:19,064 --> 00:45:21,762
I made up this story.
I said this professor

811
00:45:21,806 --> 00:45:24,243
was perfecting a cooling system

812
00:45:24,286 --> 00:45:26,985
which would cool
the air and increase

813
00:45:27,028 --> 00:45:29,683
the performance of the engine.

814
00:45:30,728 --> 00:45:33,165
I had
this whole bullshit story

815
00:45:33,208 --> 00:45:35,602
and they went along with it.
And I couldn't believe it

816
00:45:35,645 --> 00:45:37,560
when they walked out the door.

817
00:45:37,604 --> 00:45:40,476
It was right there
under their nose.

818
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,044
How come they didn't catch me?

819
00:45:43,088 --> 00:45:45,873
Well, I wasn't supposed
to get caught!

820
00:45:47,832 --> 00:45:50,486
God built me to be here
to prove to you

821
00:45:50,530 --> 00:45:52,401
that what you have been doing

822
00:45:52,445 --> 00:45:54,577
for God knows how many years

823
00:45:54,621 --> 00:45:55,840
is wrong.

824
00:45:57,319 --> 00:45:59,800
You picked on the wrong man.

825
00:45:59,844 --> 00:46:01,062
I'm not tough.

826
00:46:01,889 --> 00:46:03,848
I'm not that strong.

827
00:46:03,891 --> 00:46:06,589
What I am going to do
is above me,

828
00:46:07,199 --> 00:46:10,071
and God gave me
that peace years ago

829
00:46:10,115 --> 00:46:13,335
in that hot tub.
I had to do this.

830
00:46:13,945 --> 00:46:16,425
That I could not do it
without God's help

831
00:46:17,165 --> 00:46:21,822
that it was his strength
that would spur me on

832
00:46:21,866 --> 00:46:26,305
at 51 and 52 years old
to get this job done

833
00:46:26,914 --> 00:46:29,090
at the pace that I could do it.

834
00:46:30,004 --> 00:46:33,486
I believe that is why
he gave me last winter off.

835
00:46:40,145 --> 00:46:42,669
He says, "Marv,
you're not gonna get it done,

836
00:46:42,712 --> 00:46:44,976
go take off this winter,
go play."

837
00:46:45,019 --> 00:46:47,326
It was wintertime,
I'm not gonna be here.

838
00:46:47,369 --> 00:46:50,242
Everything's sold. I don't have a muffler shop anymore.

839
00:46:50,285 --> 00:46:51,591
I'm gonna go snowmobiling.

840
00:47:13,961 --> 00:47:17,573
[Brower] Marv actually really
did succeed in Granby.

841
00:47:17,617 --> 00:47:20,620
He bought that property
for $42,000.

842
00:47:20,663 --> 00:47:24,624
He was able to sell it
ten years later for $400,000.

843
00:47:26,104 --> 00:47:29,237
And, in fact, that was
the very thing he had been
trying to do all along.

844
00:47:31,326 --> 00:47:33,328
Marv says in his own tapes

845
00:47:33,372 --> 00:47:35,548
that his muffler business
was successful.

846
00:47:35,591 --> 00:47:38,464
It gave him an opportunity to do what he wanted to do in life,

847
00:47:38,507 --> 00:47:42,250
to enjoy
his snowmobiling and still
have money so he could live.

848
00:47:47,734 --> 00:47:50,737
[Marv]
But you've got to do this.
You've got to get this done.

849
00:47:50,780 --> 00:47:53,044
And that was my goal
so to speak,

850
00:47:53,087 --> 00:47:54,959
take the winter off, relax,

851
00:47:55,002 --> 00:47:57,396
you know, maybe something
would come up

852
00:47:57,439 --> 00:47:58,832
to change my mind.

853
00:48:06,622 --> 00:48:10,670
[Brower] In March of 2004,
Marv's father dies.

854
00:48:12,019 --> 00:48:14,543
Marv did go up
to the funeral.

855
00:48:15,457 --> 00:48:16,415
He took photos.

856
00:48:17,677 --> 00:48:19,766
In the photos
you see family members.

857
00:48:19,809 --> 00:48:22,638
You see photos of Marv's father in the casket.

858
00:48:23,901 --> 00:48:26,381
Included was a selfie
that Marv took

859
00:48:26,991 --> 00:48:30,385
outside the family farm
there in South Dakota.

860
00:48:31,473 --> 00:48:34,476
And it's a mournful,
sad-looking photo.

861
00:48:35,390 --> 00:48:38,176
A look of resignation
is on Marv's face.

862
00:48:38,219 --> 00:48:41,135
It's almost as if he's saying,
"I know what I am gonna do

863
00:48:41,179 --> 00:48:44,225
and I'm not happy about it.
And this is my last look
at my home."

864
00:48:45,618 --> 00:48:48,795
But before that, Marv had given all the proceeds

865
00:48:48,838 --> 00:48:50,840
from the sale of the lot

866
00:48:50,884 --> 00:48:54,670
and of all of his material
and equipment to his father.

867
00:48:55,584 --> 00:48:58,022
[Marv] You know, it's gone. Now
money means nothing to me.

868
00:48:58,065 --> 00:48:59,937
I've given my house away.

869
00:48:59,980 --> 00:49:02,200
I do not need this cabin
here in Grand Lake.

870
00:49:03,070 --> 00:49:05,551
My snowmobiles, I've given
those away this year.

871
00:49:05,594 --> 00:49:07,901
Everything is gone.

872
00:49:08,554 --> 00:49:11,949
What I own is just gonna
be a pittance

873
00:49:12,601 --> 00:49:14,560
compared to what
I am going to take.

874
00:49:17,041 --> 00:49:21,828
[McClelland] Marv transferred the sale proceeds from his bank

875
00:49:21,871 --> 00:49:24,962
in $50,000 increments.

876
00:49:25,005 --> 00:49:28,095
Prior to his father's passing,

877
00:49:28,139 --> 00:49:32,360
his father conveyed
those sale proceeds

878
00:49:32,404 --> 00:49:35,668
to Marv's two brothers
and sister.

879
00:49:35,711 --> 00:49:38,801
[Brower]
By giving them to his father
and willing all that

880
00:49:38,845 --> 00:49:40,629
to the other members
of the family,

881
00:49:40,673 --> 00:49:42,892
it was one big step
removed from Marv

882
00:49:42,936 --> 00:49:46,026
so that when the time came
to try to get resources

883
00:49:46,070 --> 00:49:49,116
back from Marv to reimburse
people who had lost,

884
00:49:49,769 --> 00:49:51,727
uh, it was near impossible.

885
00:49:53,860 --> 00:49:58,038
[Marv] This is Tape 3.
It's about 10:05 on, uh,

886
00:49:58,082 --> 00:50:00,171
the 13th of April 2004.

887
00:50:01,346 --> 00:50:03,217
And I want to say
that I believe

888
00:50:03,261 --> 00:50:05,219
that I am an American patriot.

889
00:50:05,959 --> 00:50:08,092
I believe
in free enterprise system.

890
00:50:08,744 --> 00:50:11,878
I believe in a level playing
field of competition.

891
00:50:12,574 --> 00:50:15,490
If you want to change
that level playing field

892
00:50:15,534 --> 00:50:18,711
of competition
to your advantage, basically,

893
00:50:18,754 --> 00:50:22,584
you give me license
to do that also

894
00:50:22,628 --> 00:50:24,586
when my opportunity comes around

895
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,068
because you are the leaders
of the community.

896
00:50:28,112 --> 00:50:30,810
Through your actions,
you show the community

897
00:50:30,853 --> 00:50:33,030
how things
are supposed to be done.

898
00:50:33,900 --> 00:50:37,817
You have given me license
through your example

899
00:50:37,860 --> 00:50:40,167
to do what I need to do.

900
00:50:40,211 --> 00:50:45,042
When I do this, that levels
the playing field in my favor,

901
00:50:45,085 --> 00:50:47,653
so now we've got
a lopsided playing field

902
00:50:47,696 --> 00:50:49,959
because when I come back at you,

903
00:50:51,222 --> 00:50:54,268
I'm gonna destroy your side
of the playing field.

904
00:51:07,977 --> 00:51:12,286
He wanted everybody
to hear what he felt
about what happened to him,

905
00:51:12,895 --> 00:51:15,811
but I won't even listen
to 'em, you know.

906
00:51:15,855 --> 00:51:19,598
I listened a little bit
and I said, "Nah, I don't need
to listen to this," you know.

907
00:51:20,338 --> 00:51:24,516
He told me in his roundabout way
through life, you know.

908
00:51:25,821 --> 00:51:26,735
Lonely man.

909
00:51:27,954 --> 00:51:29,651
He would just spend
too much time alone.

910
00:51:30,565 --> 00:51:32,176
That's what I put it onto.

911
00:51:33,307 --> 00:51:35,744
He spent too much time
in hot tub alone.

912
00:51:41,402 --> 00:51:44,144
[Trisha] At the time I went
to work for a dentist

913
00:51:45,580 --> 00:51:48,105
we ended up doing
a crown prep on Marv

914
00:51:49,062 --> 00:51:51,717
and he was to come back
that actual Friday

915
00:51:52,283 --> 00:51:54,807
and seat the permanent crown.

916
00:51:54,850 --> 00:51:58,506
I said, "Marv, you need to get
the hell out of Grand County,"

917
00:51:58,550 --> 00:52:02,075
I remember it vividly.
And he gave me a big hug
and he said, "Trish..."

918
00:52:03,598 --> 00:52:06,514
he said, "You are the best thing
that ever happened to me
in Grand County."

919
00:52:06,558 --> 00:52:08,560
I just remember that so vividly.

920
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:13,478
And... you know, he was gonna do
this thing three weeks later.

921
00:52:13,521 --> 00:52:17,873
He already had it planned,
you know, so nuts
to think about that.

922
00:52:17,917 --> 00:52:21,225
And I would never have guessed.
You know, he seemed like

923
00:52:21,268 --> 00:52:25,098
it was so great to see him and,
and it was great to have a hug,

924
00:52:25,142 --> 00:52:26,230
you know.

925
00:52:31,235 --> 00:52:34,020
I went snowmobiling with Marv
a month before it happened,

926
00:52:35,108 --> 00:52:38,024
early May on Vail Pass,
just he and I.

927
00:52:38,677 --> 00:52:40,983
We had plans
of going again in June

928
00:52:41,027 --> 00:52:42,420
just to say we did it.

929
00:52:43,247 --> 00:52:45,205
And these are future plans.

930
00:52:45,249 --> 00:52:47,294
He wasn't done.

931
00:52:49,514 --> 00:52:51,994
And he spent a couple of weeks
in Florida with some friends.

932
00:52:54,301 --> 00:52:56,738
He talked about it
on the way to Vail.

933
00:52:56,782 --> 00:52:58,697
He said they're gonna get
what's coming to 'em.

934
00:53:13,364 --> 00:53:16,932
[Marv] So here we are and I am at peace with what I am about to do.

935
00:53:17,890 --> 00:53:21,981
People will think,
"Why did he do that?
He had such a good life.

936
00:53:22,024 --> 00:53:23,852
He had a better life
than me anyway."

937
00:53:24,853 --> 00:53:26,594
It's not what I deserve.

938
00:53:27,334 --> 00:53:29,380
You meddled in my business

939
00:53:29,423 --> 00:53:31,904
and took what I deserve away.

940
00:53:31,947 --> 00:53:34,515
You took advantage
of my good nature.

941
00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:36,996
Well, I think there's something you should learn here.

942
00:53:37,562 --> 00:53:39,477
For as good as a man can be,

943
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,130
also can he be as bad.

944
00:53:42,088 --> 00:53:45,352
When you visit evil
upon someone,

945
00:53:45,396 --> 00:53:48,050
be assured it will revisit you.

946
00:53:49,443 --> 00:53:51,967
The Thompsons are guilty.

947
00:53:52,011 --> 00:53:54,492
The Docheffs are guilty.

948
00:53:54,535 --> 00:53:57,756
The Granby Town Board is guilty.

949
00:53:57,799 --> 00:54:01,281
The Granby Planning Commission
is guilty.

950
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,284
It took all of you

951
00:54:04,328 --> 00:54:07,113
ten years to get me.

952
00:54:07,156 --> 00:54:09,246
You got me, no doubt about it.

953
00:54:09,289 --> 00:54:11,117
I got screwed big time.

954
00:54:12,466 --> 00:54:13,902
Enough is enough.

955
00:54:14,903 --> 00:54:16,818
I have been beaten
to a point

956
00:54:16,862 --> 00:54:19,256
where I'm not
gonna take it anymore.

957
00:54:20,387 --> 00:54:22,694
But I don't think that's
what God had planned for me,

958
00:54:22,737 --> 00:54:26,437
and he expects me to do
something to those

959
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:30,354
who kept me now
from getting what I deserve.

960
00:54:31,180 --> 00:54:33,705
God's will be done through me.

961
00:54:41,495 --> 00:54:44,977
You were cowards in the way
that you dealt with me.

962
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,024
You all along were thinking
that I was the person

963
00:54:49,068 --> 00:54:51,026
that needed
to be taught a lesson.

964
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:58,120
You were going to show me how
it worked in Granby, Colorado.

965
00:54:58,164 --> 00:55:00,645
How the real world worked.

966
00:55:04,344 --> 00:55:07,869
You people needed
to be taught a lesson.

967
00:55:28,890 --> 00:55:31,066
[crash]

968
00:55:33,634 --> 00:55:37,246
[dramatic music]

969
00:55:54,351 --> 00:55:56,396
[phone dialling]

970
00:55:57,266 --> 00:56:00,705
- 911, what is your emergency?
- This is Sherry
at the trash company.

971
00:56:00,748 --> 00:56:04,926
And there is a bulldozer over
at Mountain Park Concrete
destroying their building.

972
00:56:04,970 --> 00:56:09,670
-It's destroying the building?
Is anyone on it?
-Yeah, it's encased in metal

973
00:56:09,714 --> 00:56:11,977
and you can't see
who's driving or anything.

974
00:56:12,020 --> 00:56:13,370
And they can't get it to stop.

975
00:56:25,077 --> 00:56:29,081
- 911, what's your emergency?
- Hi, Sherry at the trash
company again. It is headed

976
00:56:29,124 --> 00:56:32,432
-for their main building now.
- It's headed
for the main building, okay.

977
00:56:32,476 --> 00:56:35,087
Cody had grabbed a handgun
from one of his workers.

978
00:56:39,787 --> 00:56:42,747
He takes the gun up
and bang, bang.

979
00:56:42,790 --> 00:56:45,576
Not only is the diesel engine
screaming

980
00:56:45,619 --> 00:56:48,492
as it's pushing the dozer,
but the treads,

981
00:56:48,535 --> 00:56:51,799
they're creaking and scraping
as the roar of the engine,

982
00:56:51,843 --> 00:56:55,020
then there's just the sound
of crash and ruin,

983
00:56:55,063 --> 00:56:57,457
because he's really knocking
all these walls down.

984
00:56:57,501 --> 00:57:01,418
[Larry Thompson]
The tracks are probably
the most memorable thing.

985
00:57:01,461 --> 00:57:05,247
Our goal was to get the heaviest
thing we could pack by hand,

986
00:57:05,291 --> 00:57:07,859
because if you can get
tangled up in some steel

987
00:57:07,902 --> 00:57:09,687
you're gonna stop that track.

988
00:57:09,730 --> 00:57:12,864
We got a big piece
of angle iron off

989
00:57:12,907 --> 00:57:14,866
of Cody Docheff's steel rack,

990
00:57:14,909 --> 00:57:18,435
it's probably 1/2-inch diameter, so it was really heavy.

991
00:57:19,871 --> 00:57:24,223
Our intentions was to try
to lodge that into the tracks

992
00:57:24,266 --> 00:57:26,704
and get it tangled up
so it'd break the track.

993
00:57:27,879 --> 00:57:28,923
That didn't work.

994
00:57:50,684 --> 00:57:55,123
[over radio] We have an armored,
a very armored situation
and it's getting closer.

995
00:57:55,167 --> 00:57:58,039
[woman] 301, I copy,
there's an armored bulldozer
tearing down the building.

996
00:57:58,083 --> 00:57:59,476
There are several deputies
in route.

997
00:57:59,519 --> 00:58:00,999
At the time of the call,

998
00:58:01,042 --> 00:58:03,523
which was about a quarter
after two

999
00:58:03,567 --> 00:58:06,570
in the afternoon,
I was approximately a mile away.

1000
00:58:06,613 --> 00:58:08,789
I pulled up
and stopped my car,

1001
00:58:08,833 --> 00:58:12,663
and there's a bulldozer
that doesn't completely look

1002
00:58:12,706 --> 00:58:16,493
like a bulldozer anymore.
I had grabbed a shotgun and

1003
00:58:16,536 --> 00:58:19,365
ran towards the bulldozer.
I'm yelling,

1004
00:58:19,408 --> 00:58:23,108
I am ordering it to stop. It backs away from the building,

1005
00:58:23,151 --> 00:58:26,633
and a frontend loader
approaches it.

1006
00:58:26,677 --> 00:58:30,419
And I see the frontend loader is
being operated by Cody Docheff.

1007
00:58:30,463 --> 00:58:33,074
I told Cody,
"Get the biggest loader you got

1008
00:58:33,118 --> 00:58:36,382
and see if you can
get underneath his track
to uplift him."

1009
00:58:36,425 --> 00:58:40,038
And Cody did. He backed up
with a big loader and hit him.

1010
00:58:40,081 --> 00:58:43,650
[Brower] So he takes his frontend loader and slams into the side of him.

1011
00:58:53,965 --> 00:58:57,490
[Kraker] And all it did was lift the back of the frontend loader up.

1012
00:59:14,072 --> 00:59:19,512
It shook him hard enough that
I think that's when Marv started
letting out the rounds.

1013
00:59:19,556 --> 00:59:22,820
[Busse] Marv had a 50-caliber
rifle pointed out the back.

1014
00:59:22,863 --> 00:59:25,692
He shot numerous rounds
into Cody's bucket.

1015
00:59:25,736 --> 00:59:30,262
[over radio] We have shots fired. We have automatic weapons in the bulldozer.

1016
00:59:35,746 --> 00:59:38,444
[Brower] Luckily, all
the rounds hit in the bucket.

1017
00:59:38,487 --> 00:59:41,142
Cody figures out where he is
and he's not hit. He's okay.

1018
00:59:41,186 --> 00:59:43,667
And he backs up and he thinks,
"What am I gonna do now?"

1019
00:59:43,710 --> 00:59:47,018
Shortly after that,
Cody realized that that
was too much. He was done.

1020
00:59:47,061 --> 00:59:50,717
That's when the officers
started surrounding the place.

1021
00:59:50,761 --> 00:59:54,503
[Kraker] And I transitioned from a shotgun to an M-4 rifle.

1022
00:59:54,547 --> 00:59:58,464
And about that time I was joined by a state trooper, Dave Patera.

1023
00:59:59,857 --> 01:00:02,990
[Brower] At first,
Cody speculated that there's
not a human being in there

1024
01:00:03,034 --> 01:00:05,384
it's being run
by radio controls.

1025
01:00:20,094 --> 01:00:23,141
[Brower] The dozer's continuing
its damage. It's going
in and out of the building,

1026
01:00:23,184 --> 01:00:25,926
slamming into this huge
concrete batch plant,

1027
01:00:25,970 --> 01:00:29,451
essentially, knocking down
all the sidewalls,
just destroying it.

1028
01:00:29,495 --> 01:00:32,324
Well, at this point there's
more police on the scene.

1029
01:00:32,367 --> 01:00:34,892
[over radio] Okay, I'm gonna
pull right up behind him...

1030
01:00:34,935 --> 01:00:37,546
I'll go back around
over the ditch on foot.

1031
01:00:37,590 --> 01:00:39,940
[Garner] I came in on the west
side of the batch plant,

1032
01:00:39,984 --> 01:00:42,421
bailed out of the vehicle,
pulled my rifle out.

1033
01:00:42,464 --> 01:00:45,554
And I could hear
the squeaking of the tracks

1034
01:00:45,598 --> 01:00:49,167
and the roaring of the engine,
the banging into the building,

1035
01:00:49,210 --> 01:00:51,256
but I still didn't see anything.

1036
01:00:51,299 --> 01:00:54,172
Once I got close to the building around skirting

1037
01:00:54,215 --> 01:00:57,392
an irrigation ditch,
Marv come around the building

1038
01:00:57,436 --> 01:01:01,005
in that bulldozer and that's
when I got my first look of it.

1039
01:01:02,093 --> 01:01:04,748
I don't know, I expected
to see a bulldozer.

1040
01:01:04,791 --> 01:01:06,097
It looks like a tank.

1041
01:01:06,750 --> 01:01:11,493
There's this huge
black monstrosity.

1042
01:01:11,537 --> 01:01:15,802
I mean almost like
a WWI big boxy, rumbly tank.

1043
01:01:16,411 --> 01:01:19,806
And then the next thing
you're thinking is,
"how, how do you attack

1044
01:01:19,850 --> 01:01:22,635
something like this?
How do I stop this?"

1045
01:01:22,679 --> 01:01:26,160
When I arrived on scene,
I could hear
the bulldozer operating.

1046
01:01:26,204 --> 01:01:30,469
I walked around my vehicle
and saw this absolute behemoth.

1047
01:01:31,644 --> 01:01:34,865
Sergeant Rich Garner
was our designated marksman.

1048
01:01:34,908 --> 01:01:38,956
I just started shooting,
trying to aim for what
looked like a viewport.

1049
01:01:38,999 --> 01:01:41,915
We made the decision to begin
firing at the small portholes

1050
01:01:41,959 --> 01:01:44,570
that we could see in the side
of this bulldozer

1051
01:01:44,613 --> 01:01:49,053
but they were maybe
two inches by four inches
at the very most.

1052
01:01:49,096 --> 01:01:52,360
What I didn't know
was that these portholes

1053
01:01:52,404 --> 01:01:55,450
were covered with two sheets
of 1/2-inch Lexan,

1054
01:01:55,494 --> 01:01:58,149
which had me wondering how he
was actually driving this thing.

1055
01:01:58,192 --> 01:02:01,456
Garner stands there and takes
a few shots at the dozer.

1056
01:02:01,500 --> 01:02:03,632
Then all of a sudden
bang, bang.

1057
01:02:03,676 --> 01:02:05,765
I had two rounds go
right by my head

1058
01:02:05,809 --> 01:02:08,681
and I was like, "Oh,
I know what that noise is."

1059
01:02:09,638 --> 01:02:13,164
[Brower]
Marv fired his weapons and he
fired at a bunch of cops

1060
01:02:13,207 --> 01:02:15,775
that were standing behind
a wall of jersey barriers.

1061
01:02:15,819 --> 01:02:17,908
[Garner] You know
as we started firing

1062
01:02:17,951 --> 01:02:20,562
of course, the rounds were
having absolutely no effect

1063
01:02:20,606 --> 01:02:23,043
he saw three state troopers
behind

1064
01:02:23,087 --> 01:02:26,046
a stack of jersey barriers that were next to the building.

1065
01:02:26,090 --> 01:02:29,093
[over radio] Watch out. The guy's gonna come over here with a bulldozer.

1066
01:02:29,136 --> 01:02:31,922
[Garner] Instead of just going
by them, he turned

1067
01:02:31,965 --> 01:02:34,272
and drove directly
at those Jersey barriers.

1068
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,145
[over radio] Come over.
Go, run! Come over. Come over.

1069
01:02:41,192 --> 01:02:45,152
If those troopers hadn't moved,
he'd have probably killed
all three of them.

1070
01:02:48,329 --> 01:02:51,985
He started proceeding eastbound
through the parking lot

1071
01:02:52,029 --> 01:02:55,989
and the construction area.
I had parked my vehicle on
the south side of the building.

1072
01:02:57,817 --> 01:03:01,168
[Garner] At that time,
Marv moved back around to the south side of the building,

1073
01:03:01,212 --> 01:03:04,781
and Glenn Trainor's unmarked
vehicle was over there.

1074
01:03:04,824 --> 01:03:07,348
He put the blade up against
that and started pushing it.

1075
01:03:07,392 --> 01:03:09,611
He kept pushing it sideways,
sideways. Well, then

1076
01:03:09,655 --> 01:03:11,962
it caught the rims
on the wheels and actually

1077
01:03:12,005 --> 01:03:14,399
stopped it
and started flipping over.

1078
01:03:14,442 --> 01:03:16,227
He rolled over the top of it.

1079
01:03:18,316 --> 01:03:21,232
[Trainor] As he was heading
towards the highway,

1080
01:03:21,275 --> 01:03:23,800
somebody notified me
on the radio that the person

1081
01:03:23,843 --> 01:03:26,498
operating the bulldozer
was Marvin Heemeyer.

1082
01:03:26,541 --> 01:03:29,849
He was not gonna stop
at just the concrete plant.

1083
01:03:29,893 --> 01:03:31,459
[dramatic music]

1084
01:03:38,553 --> 01:03:42,644
[Marv] I don't think that just knowing what I am doing is enough.

1085
01:03:42,688 --> 01:03:44,864
I think God will bless me.

1086
01:03:44,908 --> 01:03:47,606
You get the machine done,
you drive it

1087
01:03:48,259 --> 01:03:51,566
to do the stuff that I have
to do up to a point.

1088
01:03:51,610 --> 01:03:54,700
Then you're either gonna blow me right off the fucking streets,

1089
01:03:55,919 --> 01:03:59,444
I'm gonna have
a heart attack and die,
the machine's gonna break,

1090
01:03:59,487 --> 01:04:02,795
or maybe, maybe it'll go all day and I'll run out of fuel.

1091
01:04:02,839 --> 01:04:05,450
I've got a lot of fuel in that thing, let me tell you,

1092
01:04:06,277 --> 01:04:08,801
to do what I believe
needs to be done,

1093
01:04:08,845 --> 01:04:11,151
what God has inspired me to do.

1094
01:04:12,413 --> 01:04:14,502
I am the co-captain in my life.

1095
01:04:14,546 --> 01:04:16,809
God is first, I am second.

1096
01:04:16,853 --> 01:04:18,985
You have tried
to control my life.

1097
01:04:19,029 --> 01:04:21,901
You have tried to be
the captain of my life.

1098
01:04:21,945 --> 01:04:24,425
You do not run my life.

1099
01:04:24,469 --> 01:04:27,167
You do not determine
what I desire,

1100
01:04:27,211 --> 01:04:29,735
what I want, what I deserve.

1101
01:04:29,778 --> 01:04:32,869
I determine that
and my God determines that.

1102
01:04:32,912 --> 01:04:36,481
Not you people.
No people do that.

1103
01:04:36,524 --> 01:04:39,919
If they do, then you're
a slave to them.

1104
01:04:39,963 --> 01:04:42,226
I am not a slave to man.

1105
01:04:43,227 --> 01:04:45,272
I am a slave to God.

1106
01:05:06,424 --> 01:05:09,993
[Trainor]
As he was heading towards
the highway I began sending

1107
01:05:10,036 --> 01:05:13,344
notifications having
my deputies and supervisors

1108
01:05:13,387 --> 01:05:15,737
go out and begin
evacuating the town.

1109
01:05:15,781 --> 01:05:19,916
That's when Glenn
decided he was gonna try
to get up on top it.

1110
01:05:21,918 --> 01:05:25,878
[Trainor] I got the idea
to climb up and see if I
could actually gain entry.

1111
01:05:25,922 --> 01:05:29,621
[Garner]
So he's clinging up and we
start running along with him,

1112
01:05:29,664 --> 01:05:31,492
trying to cover him.

1113
01:05:31,536 --> 01:05:33,364
[Trainor] I was expecting
to see, you know,

1114
01:05:33,407 --> 01:05:35,322
something with a handle
that I could pull up

1115
01:05:35,366 --> 01:05:38,586
and open. And there was
absolutely nothing.

1116
01:05:38,630 --> 01:05:42,590
You know,
it was solid sheet metal
from the front to the back.

1117
01:05:42,634 --> 01:05:45,028
The only thing
I did see up there

1118
01:05:45,071 --> 01:05:47,421
was there was some kind
of a vent

1119
01:05:47,465 --> 01:05:50,859
where it looked like there was
like an RV air conditioner.

1120
01:05:50,903 --> 01:05:54,515
He takes his pistol out and
starts trying to shoot into

1121
01:05:54,559 --> 01:05:57,518
some gaps
where the air conditioner was.
Of course, it does no good.

1122
01:05:57,562 --> 01:06:02,088
Then,
he's up there and he's just
riding along on this thing.

1123
01:06:02,132 --> 01:06:04,961
So then we started
coming up with maybe
getting some flashbangs.

1124
01:06:05,004 --> 01:06:08,529
[over radio]
I brought some flashbangs if
anybody needs 'em, this is 35.

1125
01:06:08,573 --> 01:06:11,402
[Garner] I'm throwing up these
flashbangs and Glenn's pulling

1126
01:06:11,445 --> 01:06:13,317
the pin on 'em and dumping
'em down the exhaust.

1127
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:14,796
- Of course, they're going off.
-[explosion]

1128
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:17,190
Whoo, big cloud of smoke

1129
01:06:17,234 --> 01:06:19,149
and everything come out.
No effect.

1130
01:06:21,978 --> 01:06:25,198
[Kraker]
It moves out of the immediate
little industrial area,

1131
01:06:25,242 --> 01:06:28,462
and the next building
that it hits is
Mountain Parks Electric.

1132
01:06:28,506 --> 01:06:30,421
[Broady] At the time
of my tenure on the board,

1133
01:06:30,464 --> 01:06:32,336
I worked
at Mountain Parks Electric,

1134
01:06:32,379 --> 01:06:34,816
so I don't know if there was
some interplay there.

1135
01:06:34,860 --> 01:06:37,602
[Trainor] He spent several
minutes just going in,

1136
01:06:37,645 --> 01:06:41,127
doing the damage, backing out,
going in, backing out,

1137
01:06:41,171 --> 01:06:43,956
the entire time of which I am
sitting up there, watching

1138
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,177
this going on, knowing all along
that he was on his way

1139
01:06:47,220 --> 01:06:50,049
to the Granby Town Hall.
That was the next place he went.

1140
01:06:50,093 --> 01:06:52,486
[over radio] Let's get
a hold of Granby Town Hall.

1141
01:06:52,530 --> 01:06:55,272
Start moving away everything
over that way...

1142
01:06:55,315 --> 01:06:57,535
[Trainor] And that the town
hall was upstairs,

1143
01:06:57,578 --> 01:07:00,755
but our public library was downstairs in the same building.

1144
01:07:00,799 --> 01:07:04,063
And there were kids and other
people inside the library.

1145
01:07:04,107 --> 01:07:05,760
Midday, I had my lunch break.

1146
01:07:05,804 --> 01:07:08,937
I did start hearing um,
what I thought--

1147
01:07:08,981 --> 01:07:10,591
I mean, it sounded like gunfire.

1148
01:07:10,635 --> 01:07:12,985
And then I started
seeing police cars,

1149
01:07:13,029 --> 01:07:15,553
like flying by
at high rates of speed.

1150
01:07:15,596 --> 01:07:18,077
I started hearing sirens.
I was hearing more gunfire.

1151
01:07:18,121 --> 01:07:20,775
And at that point, I decided
to go back to the library.

1152
01:07:20,819 --> 01:07:24,431
We issued a directive
to have a reverse 911 call

1153
01:07:24,475 --> 01:07:27,478
sent out to the community
to shelter in place.

1154
01:07:27,521 --> 01:07:30,959
Because after the first one,
we were just thinking
barricade everyone inside,

1155
01:07:31,003 --> 01:07:33,223
not knowing
that we were the target,

1156
01:07:33,266 --> 01:07:35,138
that there was a bulldozer
heading right there.

1157
01:07:35,181 --> 01:07:38,184
And then shortly after
that we got another call,

1158
01:07:38,228 --> 01:07:42,188
a 911 reverse call.
They were telling everyone,
"Evacuate your building now."

1159
01:07:42,232 --> 01:07:47,628
It took me
until that moment to realize
that my 11-year-old daughter

1160
01:07:47,672 --> 01:07:50,544
was in the basement
of that building in the library.

1161
01:07:50,588 --> 01:07:54,026
[over radio] Okay, he's going east all the way to Napa.

1162
01:07:54,070 --> 01:07:57,247
[Trainor] The bulldozer
came out onto the highway
and pulled off,

1163
01:07:57,290 --> 01:08:00,598
and drove right into the lawn
area of the town hall.

1164
01:08:00,641 --> 01:08:04,602
Well, I elected to get off
at that point and did jump down.

1165
01:08:04,645 --> 01:08:08,345
[Brower] Marv works his way
up around. He goes around
the back of the town hall,

1166
01:08:08,388 --> 01:08:10,695
destroying the children's
playground in the process,

1167
01:08:10,738 --> 01:08:13,306
turning all the little jungle
gyms and swing sets

1168
01:08:13,350 --> 01:08:16,962
into just curled
and twisted spaghetti
in the backyard there.

1169
01:08:17,005 --> 01:08:20,531
[Riley] But we did
gather up the kids and then we drove them all to their houses.

1170
01:08:20,574 --> 01:08:23,969
We got there, turned the radio
on, and as soon we turned it on,

1171
01:08:24,012 --> 01:08:28,713
within seconds we heard
the radio announcer say that
he had just bulldozed town hall.

1172
01:08:29,496 --> 01:08:32,891
The dozer methodically
tore apart town hall.

1173
01:08:32,934 --> 01:08:39,593
[over radio] Everybody now,
needs to move...[indistinct]
Go for three to three.

1174
01:08:39,637 --> 01:08:44,120
[Garner] From the town hall it went back out to Main Street.

1175
01:08:44,163 --> 01:08:46,687
[Trainor]
We had this rolling roadblock
out in front of him,

1176
01:08:46,731 --> 01:08:49,777
the patrol units
and then behind him as well.

1177
01:08:49,821 --> 01:08:52,476
Somewhere during that time,
Norm Rimmer shows up

1178
01:08:52,519 --> 01:08:55,653
and he sees this camera
sticking out the back.

1179
01:08:55,696 --> 01:08:58,308
Then we start looking around
and we see another one.

1180
01:08:58,351 --> 01:09:02,442
That's when we figured out
that's how he was steering it,
was using the cameras.

1181
01:09:02,486 --> 01:09:06,490
Marv placed around the outside
of the dozer, five cameras.

1182
01:09:06,533 --> 01:09:09,667
He had them mounted to three
monitors inside the tank,

1183
01:09:09,710 --> 01:09:12,800
so he had views of the back,
front, and the sides.

1184
01:09:12,844 --> 01:09:16,195
He actually thought ahead enough that there would be debris

1185
01:09:16,239 --> 01:09:19,372
and dust, so he rigged up
all these little hoses

1186
01:09:19,416 --> 01:09:21,983
to a compressed air tank
that's in the cab,

1187
01:09:22,027 --> 01:09:23,942
and he was able to open
the compressed air

1188
01:09:23,985 --> 01:09:26,814
to blow dust and debris
in front of his Lexan,

1189
01:09:26,858 --> 01:09:28,468
so he could still see
where he was going.

1190
01:09:28,512 --> 01:09:30,818
[Kraker] As it's going down the highway,

1191
01:09:30,862 --> 01:09:32,559
more and more law enforcement
officers

1192
01:09:32,603 --> 01:09:34,561
were showing up,
people coming from home.

1193
01:09:34,605 --> 01:09:37,738
I started hearing gunfire
and sirens from my home,

1194
01:09:37,782 --> 01:09:40,698
so I got my police radio started
and I listening to the traffic

1195
01:09:40,741 --> 01:09:44,310
and I heard officers describing
being shot at

1196
01:09:44,354 --> 01:09:47,444
and something about a bulldozer knocking buildings down.

1197
01:09:47,487 --> 01:09:51,012
I thought the best thing to do
at the time was to grab
my camcorder,

1198
01:09:51,056 --> 01:09:55,191
so I followed him
around until he got
to, uh, Sky-Hi News.

1199
01:09:55,234 --> 01:09:58,759
[over radio]
This guy may possibly be going
after Patrick Brower.

1200
01:09:58,803 --> 01:10:03,199
[Brower] It was a regular news
day. We were working when
one of the sheriff's deputies

1201
01:10:03,242 --> 01:10:06,158
tells me, "Get out of here!
You're on the list."
I said, "What?"

1202
01:10:06,202 --> 01:10:10,641
He then leaves the building.
There's this large kinda gray,
dark monolith

1203
01:10:10,684 --> 01:10:13,861
driving down the road with two
police cars on either side.

1204
01:10:13,905 --> 01:10:17,430
Right when he gets by the front
of the building he just takes
a sharp right turn.

1205
01:10:17,474 --> 01:10:20,651
The ground starts to shake.
You could hear the creaking
of the treads.

1206
01:10:20,694 --> 01:10:22,653
And we were
inside the building here.

1207
01:10:22,696 --> 01:10:25,133
And blam! Knocks down
the front wall of the building.

1208
01:10:25,177 --> 01:10:27,048
[crash]

1209
01:10:31,052 --> 01:10:32,880
[dramatic music]

1210
01:10:36,014 --> 01:10:40,366
[Trainor] Patrick and one
of his reporters are leaving
out the back of the building

1211
01:10:40,410 --> 01:10:42,760
as Marv is driving through
the front of the building.

1212
01:10:42,803 --> 01:10:45,632
[Brower]
The ground is literally
shaking under your feet.

1213
01:10:45,676 --> 01:10:48,592
It's 85 tons of it
just rolling, impervious.

1214
01:10:48,635 --> 01:10:51,421
Well, we immediately
start running out the back.

1215
01:10:51,464 --> 01:10:53,945
Marv continues
to take the dozer back

1216
01:10:53,988 --> 01:10:56,513
and smashes
into the front of the building.
He works his way around.

1217
01:10:57,165 --> 01:11:00,212
[Piechocki]
He just kept backing up,
knocking cars out of his way

1218
01:11:00,256 --> 01:11:03,563
taking a hit at the building
and backing up again,
taking another hit at it.

1219
01:11:03,607 --> 01:11:06,523
[Brower]
Literally, the ceiling's
caving in all around us.

1220
01:11:06,566 --> 01:11:08,612
I ran out the backdoor
with my camera around my neck,

1221
01:11:08,655 --> 01:11:10,440
and run up the side
of the building.

1222
01:11:10,483 --> 01:11:12,964
There's a sheriff's deputy
with a shotgun.

1223
01:11:13,007 --> 01:11:15,140
I snap off a panicked photo,

1224
01:11:15,183 --> 01:11:18,230
then I started hearing gunfire.
I hear a few whizzes

1225
01:11:18,274 --> 01:11:20,798
over my head and I think,
"This is stupid.
I'm getting out of here."

1226
01:11:20,841 --> 01:11:23,235
[over radio] I'm coming.
Get people out of there!

1227
01:11:23,279 --> 01:11:26,978
And then finally
the entire building just
collapsing around itself.

1228
01:11:27,021 --> 01:11:30,198
-[indistinct radio chatter]
-[crash]

1229
01:11:31,939 --> 01:11:38,772
-[indistinct radio chatter]
-[gunshots]

1230
01:11:40,121 --> 01:11:43,473
[Piechocki]
There was a lot of metal
on metal screeching going on,

1231
01:11:43,516 --> 01:11:46,258
especially when he's pushing
cars out of the way.

1232
01:11:46,302 --> 01:11:49,479
There was a lot of screeching
noises from the treads

1233
01:11:51,394 --> 01:11:53,918
and it was just kind
of overwhelming, you know,

1234
01:11:53,961 --> 01:11:57,661
looking at and realizing,
you know, I don't have
a way of stopping this.

1235
01:11:57,704 --> 01:12:00,316
- None of us had
a way of stopping it.
-[police sirens]

1236
01:12:00,359 --> 01:12:04,320
[Larry Thompson] The dozer goes
down to the east end of town.

1237
01:12:04,363 --> 01:12:07,932
They knew that we were
on the hit list,
so they hurried up up here

1238
01:12:07,975 --> 01:12:11,239
and we came across the flats
up here behind the town shop.

1239
01:12:11,283 --> 01:12:13,633
And the county cop stopped us.

1240
01:12:14,373 --> 01:12:16,636
He says,
"You're not going any farther.
We go, "Yeah, we are.

1241
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:18,464
You can get your ass
down here and arrest me at home

1242
01:12:18,508 --> 01:12:20,510
if you want to, but we're
going down the hill."

1243
01:12:21,249 --> 01:12:23,948
[over radio]
That's the Thompson residence.
The bulldozer's headed there.

1244
01:12:23,991 --> 01:12:27,038
We need to have
everybody evacuated out of the Thompsons' residence.

1245
01:12:28,126 --> 01:12:31,521
[Kraker] There's a little house
owned by Thompsons

1246
01:12:31,564 --> 01:12:32,870
and their mother lives there.

1247
01:12:32,913 --> 01:12:34,350
I called her and she thought

1248
01:12:34,393 --> 01:12:35,655
I was joking with her. I said,

1249
01:12:35,699 --> 01:12:37,527
"You needed to get in the car,

1250
01:12:37,570 --> 01:12:39,355
just drive out of town.
Just get out of it."

1251
01:12:40,007 --> 01:12:42,749
[Garner] Marvin Heemeyer
is around Thompsons' shop.

1252
01:12:42,793 --> 01:12:44,751
The chief of Kremmling PD
showed up.

1253
01:12:44,795 --> 01:12:46,710
He rolls his window down
and said,

1254
01:12:46,753 --> 01:12:48,929
"Hey, Rich,
I got a surprise for you."

1255
01:12:48,973 --> 01:12:53,369
In the backseat is this big,
huge 50-cal silhouette gun.

1256
01:12:53,412 --> 01:12:56,546
And I picked up the gun
and I let loose with it.

1257
01:13:07,121 --> 01:13:08,471
No effect.

1258
01:13:10,690 --> 01:13:13,214
[Larry Thompson] It came down
the backstreet here,
knocked some trees down.

1259
01:13:13,824 --> 01:13:17,088
[Kraker] The dozer ran
right through the house.

1260
01:13:17,131 --> 01:13:18,785
It completely leveled the house.

1261
01:13:19,525 --> 01:13:21,222
[Gary Thompson]
She did get out safely.

1262
01:13:21,266 --> 01:13:23,050
My only concern was her.

1263
01:13:23,094 --> 01:13:24,878
Thelma Thompson was asleep

1264
01:13:24,922 --> 01:13:27,315
in the house
only 30 minutes before Marv

1265
01:13:27,359 --> 01:13:29,230
completely destroyed their home.

1266
01:13:29,927 --> 01:13:32,799
[Kraker] It started to destroy
a construction yard

1267
01:13:32,843 --> 01:13:34,932
that's owned
by Thompson & Sons,

1268
01:13:34,975 --> 01:13:37,587
systematically destroying
that area.

1269
01:13:41,678 --> 01:13:43,984
[Larry Thompson]
And then he turned and came
over to the shop here

1270
01:13:44,028 --> 01:13:46,813
we had a lowboy trailer
sitting out here,
and he shoved it

1271
01:13:46,857 --> 01:13:49,076
through the wall.
Then he went
down the street down here

1272
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:51,035
and tipped over
another semitrailer we had.

1273
01:13:51,078 --> 01:13:52,950
He flat laid
it over on its side,

1274
01:13:52,993 --> 01:13:55,605
full of truck parts.
Then he went around

1275
01:13:55,648 --> 01:13:58,782
in front of her house and shoved the Xcel Energy pickup

1276
01:13:58,825 --> 01:14:00,871
through our rental building.

1277
01:14:04,788 --> 01:14:08,269
Meanwhile, this whole ridge is up here was just covered with people,

1278
01:14:08,313 --> 01:14:13,840
following him through town,
watching what he was doing
like a circus.

1279
01:14:13,884 --> 01:14:16,713
Then after that it looked
like a war zone out here.

1280
01:14:16,756 --> 01:14:20,020
All the helicopters flying
around and all the news
trucks showing up.

1281
01:14:20,064 --> 01:14:23,110
And that's when he headed
off down the hill,
went down to Independent Gas.

1282
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:26,723
[over radio]
Hey, would you make a general
broadcast all units

1283
01:14:26,766 --> 01:14:30,988
should evacuate
at least a thousand feet

1284
01:14:31,031 --> 01:14:33,991
back from the propane tanks
at Independent Gas.

1285
01:14:35,383 --> 01:14:37,211
[Piechocki]
I was on top of the hill
looking down on that.

1286
01:14:37,255 --> 01:14:39,257
All I saw was rows and rows

1287
01:14:39,300 --> 01:14:41,302
of propane tanks
of various sizes.

1288
01:14:41,346 --> 01:14:43,609
You know we're not talking
camping propane,

1289
01:14:43,653 --> 01:14:47,483
we're talking about, you know,
industrial-size propane tanks.

1290
01:14:47,526 --> 01:14:51,095
If you're standing in the farm, looking up the hill,

1291
01:14:51,138 --> 01:14:54,098
you can see
a senior citizens' home,

1292
01:14:54,141 --> 01:14:56,622
a trailer park,
private residences.

1293
01:14:56,666 --> 01:15:00,844
There were a lot of homes,
a lot of people
in a blast area.

1294
01:15:00,887 --> 01:15:05,065
Well, Marv was by the propane,
shooting at the tanks.

1295
01:15:05,109 --> 01:15:07,851
[over radio]
Move back! He's shooting
at the tanks! Move back!

1296
01:15:07,894 --> 01:15:10,201
He was using
incendiary rounds,

1297
01:15:10,244 --> 01:15:12,638
so they made kind of a flash
and a puff of smoke.

1298
01:15:12,682 --> 01:15:14,640
[over radio]
He's shooting at the propane.

1299
01:15:14,684 --> 01:15:17,034
[gunshots]

1300
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:19,602
[Piechoki] One of those bullets
could easily hit

1301
01:15:19,645 --> 01:15:22,300
a propane tank
and ignite it immediately.

1302
01:15:22,343 --> 01:15:24,563
There would have been a lot
of damage using these things

1303
01:15:24,607 --> 01:15:27,305
flying through the air,
landing on homes.

1304
01:15:27,348 --> 01:15:31,004
[over radio]
...he's got a 50-cal, he's
trying to take out the tanks

1305
01:15:31,048 --> 01:15:34,051
and transformers--
at Independent Propane
at this time.

1306
01:15:34,094 --> 01:15:38,534
[Piechocki] He had a ripper on the backend of the bulldozer.

1307
01:15:38,577 --> 01:15:42,538
And when he would try
to maneuver it to get
the barrel of the gun

1308
01:15:42,581 --> 01:15:46,193
pointing
towards the propane tanks,

1309
01:15:46,237 --> 01:15:50,589
the ripper
was digging into the ground
and not going down far enough

1310
01:15:50,633 --> 01:15:53,984
to allow his armor
to get out of the way.

1311
01:15:54,027 --> 01:15:57,509
And the 50-caliber
was hitting his own armor.

1312
01:15:57,553 --> 01:16:00,991
You can see the shells hitting
the armor and bursting

1313
01:16:01,034 --> 01:16:04,647
into a puff of smoke and flame
when they hit his own armor.

1314
01:16:05,430 --> 01:16:09,260
[Trainor]
While one of his bullets did penetrate the power transformer,

1315
01:16:09,303 --> 01:16:12,089
none of 'em penetrated
the actual propane tanks.

1316
01:16:12,132 --> 01:16:15,353
[man 1 over radio] Granby PD also be advised, Federal Heights is going to be in route

1317
01:16:15,396 --> 01:16:17,485
with their Peacekeeper
on its flatbed.

1318
01:16:17,529 --> 01:16:19,662
It'll take about two hours,
Summit County is also

1319
01:16:19,705 --> 01:16:22,839
-en route with a SWAT team.
-[man 2] Ask them to help us get

1320
01:16:22,882 --> 01:16:25,276
the National Guard
units in here,

1321
01:16:25,319 --> 01:16:28,235
maybe with a helicopter
to stop this unit.

1322
01:16:28,279 --> 01:16:31,325
[man 1] You need a National
Guard unit and a helicopter?

1323
01:16:32,805 --> 01:16:37,201
[man 2]
Yeah, the uh, the Air National
Guard or Army National Guard,

1324
01:16:37,244 --> 01:16:40,770
uh, either out of Laramie
or out of Eagles.

1325
01:16:40,813 --> 01:16:43,468
And then that's when the county
scraper tried to stop him.

1326
01:16:43,511 --> 01:16:46,079
[over radio]
Yeah, I'm gonna try to bring
the scrapers down Highway 40.

1327
01:16:46,123 --> 01:16:47,994
We wanna know
where they need to go.

1328
01:16:48,038 --> 01:16:50,083
[Trainor] We had asked
for a bulldozer from

1329
01:16:50,127 --> 01:16:52,651
our road and bridge department.
The director

1330
01:16:52,695 --> 01:16:55,480
of Grand County Road and Bridge
was Clark Branstetter.

1331
01:16:55,523 --> 01:16:57,525
[over radio] Branstetter
on Road and Bridge, I've got

1332
01:16:57,569 --> 01:16:59,615
a scraper inside
of where the A&W used to be

1333
01:16:59,658 --> 01:17:02,313
on 40, where do you want me
to put this?

1334
01:17:02,356 --> 01:17:04,881
[Trainor] What he did do is bring in two big earthmovers

1335
01:17:04,924 --> 01:17:06,970
or scrapers from the landfill.

1336
01:17:07,013 --> 01:17:09,929
[over radio] Let's get him up here just as fast as we can.

1337
01:17:09,973 --> 01:17:13,629
[Trainor] Clark Branstetter actually tried to stop the bulldozer

1338
01:17:13,672 --> 01:17:16,327
at the top of the hill, going
back up onto the highway.

1339
01:17:16,370 --> 01:17:19,460
[over radio]
...contact the station,
we have a giant tractor

1340
01:17:19,504 --> 01:17:22,463
that is completely armored
with iron running over

1341
01:17:22,507 --> 01:17:26,337
all vital components,
including the compartment
with only complex.

1342
01:17:26,380 --> 01:17:31,124
He can fire out of firing way.
The driver is completely
enclosed with no entrance.

1343
01:17:31,168 --> 01:17:35,041
-[man 1] Get him back! Stop him!
-[man 2]
I can't, he's got a dozer.

1344
01:17:35,085 --> 01:17:40,133
[indistinct radio chatter]

1345
01:17:41,395 --> 01:17:45,269
[Trainor] The bulldozer just basically moved the scraper just right out of the way.

1346
01:17:45,312 --> 01:17:48,272
[over radio] ...He's going
out towards the highway!

1347
01:17:48,315 --> 01:17:51,362
[Trainor]
He went back up the hill,
back on to Main Street again.

1348
01:17:51,405 --> 01:17:55,671
[over radio]
We're at 4th and Main,
and 4th and Agate now.

1349
01:17:57,237 --> 01:18:01,502
Somewhere right in that
timeframe it appears that
he loses all his antifreeze.

1350
01:18:01,546 --> 01:18:04,854
There's a big white puff of what would be the antifreeze

1351
01:18:04,897 --> 01:18:07,683
hitting hot metal components
from the engine

1352
01:18:07,726 --> 01:18:10,294
and there's a lot
of white smoke.

1353
01:18:10,337 --> 01:18:13,253
[over radio]
Copy, vehicle smoking
heavily at 4th and Agate.

1354
01:18:14,341 --> 01:18:17,910
[Trainor]
He damaged copycat printers
a bit while he's positioning

1355
01:18:17,954 --> 01:18:21,697
to get his bulldozer facing
towards the Gambles store.

1356
01:18:22,349 --> 01:18:26,397
[Farrell] He said, "Oh, he's headed for Gambles". Oh, I don't remember how the verbiage was.

1357
01:18:26,440 --> 01:18:29,487
And I just, my stomach went
like, just like a ball.

1358
01:18:29,530 --> 01:18:34,579
Just clinched
because I knew my life was gonna
be completely different.

1359
01:18:34,622 --> 01:18:37,713
The engine of the bulldozer
began overheating.

1360
01:18:44,545 --> 01:18:47,897
[Broady] I was
across the street, watching
as it came up the street,

1361
01:18:47,940 --> 01:18:53,772
and then watched as it turned
in to go down the side
of the Gambles store.

1362
01:18:53,816 --> 01:18:56,427
You can also tell
that he's starting to lose
power at this time.

1363
01:19:00,779 --> 01:19:05,741
And then it starts
methodically just tearing
apart that Gambles store.

1364
01:19:16,229 --> 01:19:20,538
[over radio] Here 33, Ft. Collins is en route with a SWAT team and an armored vehicle.

1365
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:25,673
All units,
Grand, too, we need you
to move back towards the east.

1366
01:19:25,717 --> 01:19:27,937
Once again
start blocking traffic.

1367
01:19:28,851 --> 01:19:31,070
[Trainor]
He begins going down
the side of it, basically,

1368
01:19:31,114 --> 01:19:33,290
trying to rip the entire side
of the building off.

1369
01:19:35,205 --> 01:19:37,773
[Broady] The county had gotten
a belly scraper out.

1370
01:19:38,948 --> 01:19:41,820
They pulled that in behind
to block his way.

1371
01:19:45,302 --> 01:19:49,088
Having worked in the Gambles
store I knew what a lot
of people didn't know,

1372
01:19:49,132 --> 01:19:51,047
and that's that there was
a basement in there.

1373
01:19:54,833 --> 01:19:58,271
[Piechocki] So he took a run
at Gambles, not realizing

1374
01:19:58,315 --> 01:20:01,666
that the right hand side track
would go into the basement

1375
01:20:01,709 --> 01:20:04,408
and that left him stuck,
unable to move.

1376
01:20:10,980 --> 01:20:13,547
[Garner]
This is the first time
he's actually stopped,

1377
01:20:13,591 --> 01:20:15,941
and the machine shut down.

1378
01:20:15,985 --> 01:20:18,988
[engine turns off]

1379
01:20:19,684 --> 01:20:22,121
[Garner] But we don't
know what he's doing,

1380
01:20:22,165 --> 01:20:23,427
so we pulled everybody back.

1381
01:20:24,297 --> 01:20:25,777
[over radio]
Can you confirm your location?

1382
01:20:26,343 --> 01:20:27,997
Right now
the dozer is at Gambles

1383
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:29,520
or what used to be Gambles.

1384
01:20:31,827 --> 01:20:37,006
One of the radio transmissions
at the time is, "Get ready
for a gunfight." It was...

1385
01:20:37,658 --> 01:20:41,706
where else are we going
with this? It just figures
we've gone this far,

1386
01:20:41,749 --> 01:20:44,752
now it's, you know,
does somebody pop out of it?

1387
01:20:44,796 --> 01:20:47,059
Does it just fire
from its position?

1388
01:20:47,103 --> 01:20:49,366
-[lighter strikes]
-[suspense music]

1389
01:21:00,594 --> 01:21:03,336
-[over radio]
We need a Grand 24...
-[Kraker] We started to pair up

1390
01:21:03,380 --> 01:21:05,556
people and get
some tactical advantage.

1391
01:21:05,599 --> 01:21:10,256
-[indistinct radio chatter]
-[police sirens]

1392
01:21:10,300 --> 01:21:12,868
[over radio] You need to go down to Mountain Parks Concrete

1393
01:21:12,911 --> 01:21:15,131
and help secure
that bridge down there.

1394
01:21:15,174 --> 01:21:16,959
[slow music]

1395
01:21:32,322 --> 01:21:34,150
[Broady] And it was
a short time after that

1396
01:21:37,414 --> 01:21:38,850
a gunshot was heard.

1397
01:21:38,894 --> 01:21:40,156
[gunshot]

1398
01:21:47,163 --> 01:21:49,600
[Trainor]
A couple of sheriff's deputies
actually got on top of it

1399
01:21:50,166 --> 01:21:54,257
and were trying to figure out if there was something they could do, some way they could get in.

1400
01:21:54,300 --> 01:21:56,912
You know they had
the same luck that I had,
which is none.

1401
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:00,959
[Kraker]
Some SWAT teams came up
from other jurisdictions

1402
01:22:01,003 --> 01:22:04,876
and attempted
to breach the bulldozer
with an explosive charge.

1403
01:22:05,833 --> 01:22:10,447
And they started blasting
on the dozer.

1404
01:22:10,490 --> 01:22:14,146
All that did was put a,
a stain on the side of it.

1405
01:22:14,190 --> 01:22:16,105
When they triggered that
explosive device

1406
01:22:16,148 --> 01:22:17,933
it rattled the windows
in my house.

1407
01:22:17,976 --> 01:22:20,587
It was a tremendous,
tremendous explosion.

1408
01:22:21,675 --> 01:22:23,764
[Reed]
It didn't even dent the thing.

1409
01:22:23,808 --> 01:22:27,072
When the second blast happened, they still didn't get in.

1410
01:22:27,986 --> 01:22:30,380
They said, "If he's not
already dead he is now."

1411
01:22:31,511 --> 01:22:34,297
And they basically
just brought a cutting torch up

1412
01:22:34,340 --> 01:22:39,606
and cut off the access point
to this air conditioning unit.

1413
01:22:41,043 --> 01:22:46,178
Entry
was finally gained some time
in the midmorning of the 5th.

1414
01:22:47,005 --> 01:22:48,789
[slow music]

1415
01:23:02,281 --> 01:23:05,850
[Piechocki] Afterwards,
we learned that he put the 357

1416
01:23:05,893 --> 01:23:09,288
into the roof of his mouth
and then pulled the trigger.

1417
01:23:09,332 --> 01:23:12,204
[over radio] All the cars'
working perimeters,
everybody is still okay.

1418
01:23:13,075 --> 01:23:15,425
No response means
everybody's okay.

1419
01:23:28,568 --> 01:23:30,353
[Trisha]
We all rode the sleds up

1420
01:23:31,484 --> 01:23:34,487
and let his ashes fly away.

1421
01:23:57,075 --> 01:23:58,207
[slow music]

1422
01:24:01,166 --> 01:24:04,343
[Larry Thompson]
Everybody couldn't wait to get
that dozer cut up, scrap it.

1423
01:24:04,387 --> 01:24:07,694
I think they made
a big mistake by not making
a museum out of the thing.

1424
01:24:07,738 --> 01:24:10,828
That'd made this town a ton
of money, a ton of money.

1425
01:24:12,308 --> 01:24:14,310
[Piechocki] They went
to Blair's Machine Shop.

1426
01:24:15,702 --> 01:24:19,271
He torched the thing
into small pieces

1427
01:24:19,315 --> 01:24:24,059
and disposed of the scrap steel so that no one person
could get a hold of it

1428
01:24:25,321 --> 01:24:28,063
and say,
"Here's my shrine to Marv."

1429
01:24:33,372 --> 01:24:35,592
[Marv] This tape's probably got
a lot of emotion in it,

1430
01:24:35,635 --> 01:24:39,465
and, uh, anybody listening to it, you know, you need to...

1431
01:24:40,379 --> 01:24:42,642
uh... realize that.

1432
01:24:43,904 --> 01:24:47,865
And just take it
from there, you know.

1433
01:24:47,908 --> 01:24:51,695
Anyway, hey, I hope you all have a great time and good life.

1434
01:24:51,738 --> 01:24:56,613
I've had a great life.
And I'm gonna put this tape

1435
01:24:56,656 --> 01:24:58,571
and tape recorder
in a plastic bag

1436
01:24:58,615 --> 01:25:01,313
for somebody else
to try to figure it out.

1437
01:25:02,401 --> 01:25:03,663
Well, see you later.

1438
01:25:05,187 --> 01:25:06,666
[slow music]