1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:22,155 --> 00:00:23,690 [mystery music] 4 00:00:31,564 --> 00:00:32,832 [video tape charging] 5 00:00:42,575 --> 00:00:45,845 My name is Sophia Crane. It's March 3rd, 2004. 6 00:00:45,879 --> 00:00:49,249 I'm a film student and this is my senior thesis. 7 00:00:49,282 --> 00:00:51,551 I don't know how much longer I'm going to be alive, 8 00:00:51,584 --> 00:00:53,520 so I ask whoever find this, 9 00:00:53,553 --> 00:00:55,388 please apply the first and second halves 10 00:00:55,422 --> 00:00:58,758 of this final interview to the beginning and end of my film. 11 00:00:59,692 --> 00:01:01,795 I don't know where to make the cut. 12 00:01:01,828 --> 00:01:03,797 This is the story of Peeping Tom 13 00:01:03,830 --> 00:01:05,832 and how I went looking for him. 14 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,602 Please show this to my parents. 15 00:01:11,171 --> 00:01:14,374 I don't know how much longer I can go without blinking. 16 00:01:14,407 --> 00:01:15,775 [TV signal tone] 17 00:01:18,411 --> 00:01:20,547 Morning, fellas. Come on in. 18 00:01:21,748 --> 00:01:23,817 So, this is the house I was telling you about. 19 00:01:23,850 --> 00:01:25,685 This is my in-laws' house. 20 00:01:27,353 --> 00:01:33,660 The information that we have on it, it seems to have been built around 1970-75, 21 00:01:33,693 --> 00:01:37,564 I can't really find any information other than that, 22 00:01:37,597 --> 00:01:40,533 but down here in the basement 23 00:01:41,468 --> 00:01:44,437 is where Bart found it. 24 00:01:44,471 --> 00:01:47,774 I'll turn the light on. Now, I have repositioned it 25 00:01:47,807 --> 00:01:51,544 for presentation purposes so, if you'll bear with me... 26 00:01:51,578 --> 00:01:54,814 Here, just going to go and dig it out. 27 00:01:54,848 --> 00:01:58,284 Right now if you can see me, it was right under here. 28 00:01:59,619 --> 00:02:05,291 It was this... box. Come over here, I'll show it to you. 29 00:02:08,428 --> 00:02:10,430 Don't watch, huh. 30 00:02:10,463 --> 00:02:15,969 Pretty eerie, but isn't that how all good horror movies start? 31 00:02:16,002 --> 00:02:19,806 A little mystery, a little riddle. 32 00:02:22,242 --> 00:02:24,777 [Eve] Well, my husband recently retired, 33 00:02:24,811 --> 00:02:28,381 we find this beautiful house that we both loved 34 00:02:28,414 --> 00:02:32,385 and I guess it was just before Thanksgiving. 35 00:02:32,418 --> 00:02:35,555 My husband went down in the basement, did what guys do, you know, 36 00:02:35,588 --> 00:02:39,626 check the boiler, check the air conditioning, play with the filters, things like that. 37 00:02:39,659 --> 00:02:44,697 He found this box full of tapes. 38 00:02:44,731 --> 00:02:47,901 She thought that Gavin could use them for work, 39 00:02:47,934 --> 00:02:52,505 because he does wedding videos and 40 00:02:52,539 --> 00:02:56,476 she thought maybe he can tape over them, or something, like to save money, 41 00:02:56,509 --> 00:03:00,446 but there are mini DVs so we don't really use them anymore. 42 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:05,785 You know, I thought maybe Gavin can take a look at them, see what's on them, 43 00:03:05,818 --> 00:03:12,358 something as like a little project to keep him interested and excited about film. 44 00:03:13,993 --> 00:03:17,463 And the very first one that I picked up says: 45 00:03:17,497 --> 00:03:18,965 Final Solution. 46 00:03:18,998 --> 00:03:20,934 Alright, that's the first one I watched, 47 00:03:20,967 --> 00:03:23,836 I mean, how could you not watch anything like that, right? 48 00:03:24,971 --> 00:03:29,709 [Erik] So what happened on the tape Final Solution, what did you see? 49 00:03:29,742 --> 00:03:35,048 A young lady identifies herself as Sophia Crane, a film student. 50 00:03:35,081 --> 00:03:38,418 Total coincidence, as a film major, film major, 51 00:03:38,451 --> 00:03:41,721 so already we're simpatico , which is great. 52 00:03:42,755 --> 00:03:46,559 She's upset about the school project, she's stressed out a little bit, 53 00:03:46,593 --> 00:03:50,430 and then it got a little upsetting after that and a little bit weird. 54 00:03:50,463 --> 00:03:53,833 Some violence, some things that I don't really wanna say right now, 55 00:03:53,866 --> 00:03:55,935 we don't what to give it all away. 56 00:03:55,969 --> 00:03:57,837 But let's just say that I had to watch 57 00:03:57,870 --> 00:04:01,040 about the next 40 tapes immediately after that. 58 00:04:01,074 --> 00:04:05,845 First thing I did was, of course, call the previous owner that we bought the house from, 59 00:04:05,878 --> 00:04:08,848 left voicemail messages saying that I found a box, 60 00:04:08,881 --> 00:04:10,717 found something that probably belongs to them. 61 00:04:10,750 --> 00:04:12,585 I never heard back from them, 62 00:04:12,619 --> 00:04:16,522 and then eventually the phone number was just unlisted. 63 00:04:16,556 --> 00:04:20,793 [Erik] But the footage never actually takes place in your in-laws' house. 64 00:04:20,827 --> 00:04:27,634 No, it doesn't, and that's another kind of fun, clinky dink about this whole thing. 65 00:04:27,667 --> 00:04:30,036 [Erik] What are you doing in regards to the home? 66 00:04:32,438 --> 00:04:33,706 Selling it. 67 00:04:33,740 --> 00:04:35,575 After the first tape, 68 00:04:35,608 --> 00:04:38,478 the next tape that I saw there was called Rough Edit. 69 00:04:38,511 --> 00:04:41,481 Everything looks really good, there is interviews on the street, 70 00:04:41,514 --> 00:04:46,753 really nice flow, and then after about ten minutes it gets really choppy. 71 00:04:46,786 --> 00:04:49,355 And it's about 40 or so tapes in here, 72 00:04:49,389 --> 00:04:52,358 so it's like they got too busy to cut it together and they just kept 73 00:04:52,392 --> 00:04:55,762 filming and filming and filming and they didn't really know when to stop. 74 00:04:56,663 --> 00:05:01,968 -[Erik] So what did you do? -Well, being a good filmmaker 75 00:05:02,001 --> 00:05:05,505 as I am, I took their film and I finished it. 76 00:05:05,538 --> 00:05:10,009 I edited it together myself, I took their film 77 00:05:10,043 --> 00:05:12,512 and made it my film, so now it's finished, 78 00:05:12,545 --> 00:05:15,548 now it's completed the way that it should have been. 79 00:05:16,683 --> 00:05:20,787 [Erik] And what did you think when you saw it all in sequence? 80 00:05:20,820 --> 00:05:23,056 [sighs] 81 00:05:23,089 --> 00:05:27,026 Well, I didn't really sleep 82 00:05:27,060 --> 00:05:30,730 for a couple of days after that. 83 00:05:31,698 --> 00:05:35,034 [crescendo] 84 00:05:35,068 --> 00:05:36,869 [noise] 85 00:05:42,775 --> 00:05:48,681 Behind me stands the Ilchester tunnel, home to the B&O... Shit, again. 86 00:05:48,715 --> 00:05:49,949 Are we rolling? 87 00:05:51,884 --> 00:05:53,820 [inaudible directions] 88 00:05:53,853 --> 00:05:56,489 Well, I mean, to me it looks it... 89 00:05:56,522 --> 00:05:57,724 [noise interfering] 90 00:06:09,001 --> 00:06:13,873 Behind me stands the Ilchester tunnel, a thruway for the B&O Railroad for over a century. 91 00:06:13,906 --> 00:06:18,911 But for the past 80 years, for local residents, it has become something far more sinister. 92 00:06:18,945 --> 00:06:20,446 It's become home to... 93 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,448 -Peeping Tom. -Peeping Tom. 94 00:06:22,482 --> 00:06:25,151 -The Blink Man. -Mr. Blink. 95 00:06:25,184 --> 00:06:26,986 -Peeping Tom. -Peeping Tom. 96 00:06:27,019 --> 00:06:29,522 -The Blink Man. -The Ilchester The Molester. 97 00:06:29,555 --> 00:06:30,723 The Tunnel Guy? 98 00:06:30,757 --> 00:06:32,592 -Peeping Tom. -Old Blinky. 99 00:06:32,625 --> 00:06:34,227 [Sophia] Alright, so you guys have ever seen him before? 100 00:06:34,260 --> 00:06:36,129 Unless I'm a ghost right now, then no! 101 00:06:36,162 --> 00:06:38,464 If I saw him, I'd be dead. 102 00:06:38,498 --> 00:06:42,034 Yes, I did know this one fellow around my age, 103 00:06:42,068 --> 00:06:46,639 this is back around 64-65 or so, he saw The Blink Man. 104 00:06:46,672 --> 00:06:50,009 -[Sophia] What happened to him? -Well, he died. 105 00:06:50,042 --> 00:06:53,780 [Matt] Peeping Tom is the kind of creature that you can summon up, 106 00:06:53,813 --> 00:06:58,184 so there is a ritual, those teen pilgrimages, you know, the midnight road trip, 107 00:06:58,217 --> 00:07:01,154 you show up at the trestle end of the tunnel at midnight 108 00:07:01,187 --> 00:07:07,260 and you have to stare down this tunnel, looking at the end for a full hour. 109 00:07:07,293 --> 00:07:09,762 And if you can do this without blinking, 110 00:07:09,796 --> 00:07:14,700 Peeping Tom comes out of the shadows and materializes in front of you. 111 00:07:14,734 --> 00:07:19,105 Now he's the class of supernatural creature called a Flimmern-Geist. 112 00:07:19,138 --> 00:07:22,775 German alchemists came up with this term in the 1500s 113 00:07:22,809 --> 00:07:26,212 for that thing, that you see in the corner of your eyes 114 00:07:26,245 --> 00:07:30,183 and when you look around to see it, there's nothing there. 115 00:07:30,216 --> 00:07:32,018 [Matt] Peeping Tom is a Flimmern-Geist 116 00:07:32,051 --> 00:07:34,921 that you can actually bring into view. 117 00:07:34,954 --> 00:07:37,790 -Well, he's tall, dark coat. -Skinny. 118 00:07:37,824 --> 00:07:39,292 -Top hat. -Big scary eyes. 119 00:07:39,325 --> 00:07:41,160 Mostly I've heard that he's just a shadow, 120 00:07:41,194 --> 00:07:44,130 'cause he's like in your peripheral vision. 121 00:07:44,163 --> 00:07:46,566 Instantly there, then not there, then there again. 122 00:07:46,599 --> 00:07:48,768 There was this one chick, in particular, 123 00:07:48,801 --> 00:07:51,537 a few years ago, she went to the school right down the road. 124 00:07:51,571 --> 00:07:54,207 Her and her friends went up to the tunnel rail 125 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:58,945 and they started staring down, she was the only one who could stare for... you have to stare 126 00:07:58,978 --> 00:08:00,079 -for an hour. -For an hour. 127 00:08:00,112 --> 00:08:01,948 The twist is that 128 00:08:01,981 --> 00:08:05,117 once you've seen him, you can't unsee him. 129 00:08:05,151 --> 00:08:09,188 Every time you blink, he's a little bit closer 130 00:08:09,222 --> 00:08:14,260 and he comes closer and closer each time you blink until he's right in your face. 131 00:08:14,293 --> 00:08:16,696 He sounds scary, what does he do? 132 00:08:16,729 --> 00:08:17,930 -Gets you. -Gets you. 133 00:08:17,964 --> 00:08:19,065 And now you've already proved 134 00:08:19,098 --> 00:08:20,600 that you can keep your eyes open 135 00:08:20,633 --> 00:08:22,001 for a long time, 136 00:08:22,034 --> 00:08:23,736 because that's how you conjure him up. 137 00:08:23,769 --> 00:08:25,238 When he's right up there, 138 00:08:25,271 --> 00:08:27,240 the temptation is death staring you in the face, 139 00:08:27,273 --> 00:08:29,175 you do anything you can to avoid him. 140 00:08:29,208 --> 00:08:30,977 But he's got a trick up his sleeve, 141 00:08:31,010 --> 00:08:32,612 he has very long eyelashes 142 00:08:32,645 --> 00:08:34,981 and you know that thing that you do with babies, 143 00:08:35,014 --> 00:08:37,049 to give them a little, he does that, 144 00:08:37,083 --> 00:08:41,187 and then you can't help it, you blink. What do we call that... 145 00:08:41,220 --> 00:08:43,256 Can I show it, like... Butterfly... 146 00:08:43,289 --> 00:08:45,591 [Matt] ...butterfly kisses. 147 00:08:45,625 --> 00:08:47,660 I'm pretty sure there's only, I don't know, 148 00:08:47,693 --> 00:08:51,264 a couple of people in the world, period, 149 00:08:51,297 --> 00:08:54,066 that can stare for an hour straight. 150 00:08:54,100 --> 00:08:57,770 I think the world record, I don't even know if the world record is an hour. 151 00:08:57,803 --> 00:09:03,142 I think the record is probably maybe 30 minutes, 40 minutes. 152 00:09:03,175 --> 00:09:05,244 It's really hard to stare at something without blinking 153 00:09:05,278 --> 00:09:09,115 for even 10 or 15 minutes. It will be really difficult for most people. 154 00:09:09,148 --> 00:09:13,719 Well, of course, there's no record of it. People too busy dying to report it. 155 00:09:13,753 --> 00:09:18,024 Even if you made it out to that long, I mean the vision will be quite blurred and, again, 156 00:09:18,057 --> 00:09:21,193 you know, I can't emphasize enough, the pain would be excruciating. 157 00:09:21,227 --> 00:09:26,299 As with all the best folklore and urban legends, 158 00:09:26,332 --> 00:09:30,102 you can't really verify any of the details in this. 159 00:09:30,136 --> 00:09:32,204 It's always happened to a friend of a friend. 160 00:09:32,238 --> 00:09:37,310 My brother's friend used to tell the story that his uncle told him. 161 00:09:37,343 --> 00:09:40,413 And they got freaked out after a while and they ran away 162 00:09:40,446 --> 00:09:42,782 but she did stay there the whole hour. 163 00:09:42,815 --> 00:09:45,184 Like a month later they found his body 164 00:09:45,217 --> 00:09:47,153 floating in the Patapsco River. 165 00:09:47,186 --> 00:09:48,921 She ended up trying to look out a window, 166 00:09:48,955 --> 00:09:50,690 she tried to burn out her eyes... 167 00:09:50,723 --> 00:09:52,325 [overlapping] By looking at the sun. 168 00:09:52,358 --> 00:09:54,126 Even though she couldn't see him, 169 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:55,928 his presence was still there 170 00:09:55,962 --> 00:09:58,197 so she, you know, she thought the whole time, she gets blinks, 171 00:09:58,230 --> 00:09:59,732 she ended up blinking, but she... 172 00:09:59,765 --> 00:10:01,701 [overlapping] Can she beat Peeping Tom? 173 00:10:01,734 --> 00:10:04,403 -Can't cheat, though. -Can't cheat Peeping Tom. 174 00:10:05,838 --> 00:10:08,240 You know, I think you'd be pushing the limits, I think, 175 00:10:08,274 --> 00:10:10,776 of the human anatomy and physiology, 176 00:10:10,810 --> 00:10:13,079 but maybe that's possible. 177 00:10:13,112 --> 00:10:14,814 Obviously, from he shared with me, 178 00:10:14,847 --> 00:10:17,650 that would be a terrible idea, if that's for real. 179 00:10:18,384 --> 00:10:20,853 [Sophia] Absence of proof hasn't caused absence of belief. 180 00:10:20,886 --> 00:10:23,789 Ilchester tunnel is still a late night hang out for teenagers 181 00:10:23,823 --> 00:10:26,092 and a popular spot for fraternity hazing. 182 00:10:26,125 --> 00:10:32,264 It's a dare often attempted, but apparently seldom completed. Until now. 183 00:10:32,298 --> 00:10:35,368 [Matt] You show up at the trestle end of the tunnel at midnight... 184 00:10:35,401 --> 00:10:37,770 [Gavin] The metadata on the tapes 185 00:10:37,803 --> 00:10:41,707 show that it was filmed between February 14th 186 00:10:41,741 --> 00:10:45,077 and March 3rd of 2004. 187 00:10:45,111 --> 00:10:50,216 OK, so I went back and I looked at all of the local colleges, 188 00:10:50,249 --> 00:10:54,453 I called, I walked into every college in town, 189 00:10:54,487 --> 00:10:58,391 showed them pictures of Sophia, showed them pictures of Feldman. 190 00:10:58,424 --> 00:11:01,994 No information. You can't get past these people at all. 191 00:11:02,028 --> 00:11:06,932 There's no record of a doctor Wolfe who's supposedly their professor, 192 00:11:06,966 --> 00:11:12,238 there's no indication that the Peeping Tom specialist that Sophia and Feldman 193 00:11:12,271 --> 00:11:16,142 go and speak to in his home even exists, 194 00:11:16,175 --> 00:11:20,746 an Asian American man, I believe he's supposed to be an eye specialist. 195 00:11:20,780 --> 00:11:24,183 There's no title cards to show that this person even exists. 196 00:11:24,216 --> 00:11:29,755 [distorted voice] I analyzed them, and I watched them repeatedly, I looked back on 197 00:11:29,789 --> 00:11:33,492 every incident reported I could find that would have matched 198 00:11:33,526 --> 00:11:38,297 any of these people, and I can't find anything that matches up. 199 00:11:38,330 --> 00:11:42,835 My hunch would say he probably found either some student films 200 00:11:42,868 --> 00:11:46,772 or just somebody making her own horror movie or something like that. 201 00:11:46,806 --> 00:11:51,177 There's no cuts, there's no retakes, there's no calling for action, 202 00:11:51,210 --> 00:11:54,280 aside from the first two minutes of the movie, 203 00:11:54,313 --> 00:11:58,984 where Sophia is obviously directing herself, 204 00:12:00,052 --> 00:12:05,157 there's absolutely no evidence to suggest that somebody is directing them. 205 00:12:05,191 --> 00:12:10,196 [Gavin] I've been staring at it for the better part of six months right now. 206 00:12:10,229 --> 00:12:13,466 I believe it's 100% genuine. 207 00:12:13,499 --> 00:12:15,067 [Erik] It looks like found footage. 208 00:12:15,101 --> 00:12:16,202 -Movie. -Alright. 209 00:12:16,235 --> 00:12:18,070 [Gavin] Found footage, I mean, 210 00:12:18,104 --> 00:12:20,005 what does that really mean? 211 00:12:20,039 --> 00:12:21,841 Did I find the footage? 212 00:12:21,874 --> 00:12:24,176 Was it handed to me and then am I presenting it again? Yes. 213 00:12:24,210 --> 00:12:25,945 That would be considered found footage, 214 00:12:25,978 --> 00:12:27,913 but as far as putting a horror movie together, 215 00:12:27,947 --> 00:12:30,216 I don't really think that there's any... 216 00:12:30,249 --> 00:12:31,851 I'm a, I'm a real filmmaker. 217 00:12:31,884 --> 00:12:33,953 OK, so we're not gonna be making horror movies. 218 00:12:33,986 --> 00:12:37,490 We're gonna try to reveal the truth of something 219 00:12:37,523 --> 00:12:41,393 that's a mystery or kind of get something out of it. 220 00:12:42,595 --> 00:12:45,598 When you make a film that is presenting itself 221 00:12:45,631 --> 00:12:48,601 as roughly cut together found footage, 222 00:12:48,634 --> 00:12:52,571 you are building in your excuse for anything that's wrong with it. 223 00:12:52,605 --> 00:12:57,343 Uh, hey folks, this is the footage we found, we're just presenting it, yeah. 224 00:12:57,376 --> 00:13:01,247 The camera jiggles all over the place, not because we didn't know how to hold 225 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:05,317 a hand-held camera steady, but because these were kids lost in the woods 226 00:13:05,351 --> 00:13:07,319 getting more and more scared all the time. 227 00:13:07,353 --> 00:13:09,622 I think what would make it more real, 228 00:13:09,655 --> 00:13:12,858 would be if it were the first one out there 229 00:13:12,892 --> 00:13:15,394 and they were not following a certain genre. 230 00:13:15,427 --> 00:13:17,863 It works on a low-budget level 231 00:13:17,897 --> 00:13:20,566 and that's the primary reason for, I think, for doing it. 232 00:13:22,034 --> 00:13:25,938 [distorted voice] So my hunch is either Mr. York was doing that himself 233 00:13:25,971 --> 00:13:29,074 and trying to get some credence to this and make it look legitimate, 234 00:13:29,108 --> 00:13:35,481 or he just run somebody else's project and they send it through. 235 00:13:35,514 --> 00:13:40,286 [Erik] Just so we're all clear, the reason that he can't find the students, 236 00:13:40,319 --> 00:13:42,254 the teachers, the eye doctor... 237 00:13:42,288 --> 00:13:44,557 [distorted voice] I believe they're actors. 238 00:13:44,590 --> 00:13:47,459 [Erik] You realize that the first thing that critics will accuse you of, 239 00:13:47,493 --> 00:13:49,495 after gullibility, is faking the film yourself. 240 00:13:49,528 --> 00:13:53,632 Of course, of course, and that's why nobody would believe this. 241 00:13:53,666 --> 00:13:55,501 [Erik] Because it's a pretty big coincidence 242 00:13:55,534 --> 00:13:57,269 that the person who finds the unfinished film 243 00:13:57,303 --> 00:13:58,938 just happens to be a filmmaker. 244 00:13:58,971 --> 00:14:01,373 Right, sure, and the naysayers are gonna say that 245 00:14:01,407 --> 00:14:04,210 because that's what they do, they naysay. 246 00:14:04,243 --> 00:14:09,615 Hum, I don't know if it's real or not, but it doesn't really matter, 247 00:14:09,648 --> 00:14:12,484 because he's excited about it being real, so... 248 00:14:12,518 --> 00:14:18,958 We're gonna take this footage to every professional in town that we can find, 249 00:14:18,991 --> 00:14:23,629 ghosthunters, mythbusters, we're going to go to the radio stations, 250 00:14:23,662 --> 00:14:29,935 we're going to the TV stations, we're going to show the footage and we're gonna saturate 251 00:14:29,969 --> 00:14:32,204 the market with this information. 252 00:14:32,238 --> 00:14:36,475 [Erik] If your plan is to try to present this as being 100% authentic, 253 00:14:36,508 --> 00:14:41,080 why are you not simply taking the footage forward and calling a press conference right now? 254 00:14:41,113 --> 00:14:46,385 Why are you planning to have the video cleaned up, why are you looking to have the sound done? 255 00:14:46,418 --> 00:14:52,091 Well, I mean, you know, we need to present the best possible version of this thing as we can, 256 00:14:52,124 --> 00:14:57,062 then we're gonna prove to the world that Peeping Tom exists. 257 00:14:58,230 --> 00:15:00,633 The camera doesn't lie. 258 00:15:05,271 --> 00:15:11,543 Mel Sumner, 19, PolySci major and staring contest champion. 259 00:15:12,544 --> 00:15:14,647 Alright, dude, so right down there is Ilchester tunnel 260 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,116 and we're gonna have you standing right over there 261 00:15:17,149 --> 00:15:20,519 on the other of the trestle, starting at 12 for an hour. 262 00:15:20,552 --> 00:15:22,655 Well, how the hell am I supposed to see at the end of that? 263 00:15:22,688 --> 00:15:25,224 [Feldman] Y'all, just don't worry about it. 264 00:15:25,257 --> 00:15:27,459 -[Sophia] You ready? -[Mel] Yes, let's stare at it. 265 00:15:27,493 --> 00:15:33,999 Alright, ten seconds to midnight starting... now. 266 00:15:35,634 --> 00:15:39,204 -[Feldman] What's it feels like? -It's so hypnotic! 267 00:15:39,238 --> 00:15:42,374 You literally, you can't really see anything down there. 268 00:15:42,408 --> 00:15:43,575 I can see. 269 00:15:45,044 --> 00:15:49,581 That's so creepy, it's like the tunnel's like staring right back at me. 270 00:15:51,183 --> 00:15:54,753 This is kind of like the ultimate staring contest, you know, like... 271 00:15:54,787 --> 00:16:00,693 even if I win, I can never really blink again. 272 00:16:00,726 --> 00:16:03,095 How much, how much time we're at? 273 00:16:03,128 --> 00:16:05,297 -[Sophia] Come on, dude! -[Feldman] You got it, man! 274 00:16:05,331 --> 00:16:06,699 Please stop talking to me. 275 00:16:06,732 --> 00:16:09,435 -[Feldman] Sophia, shut up. -Stop talking. 276 00:16:12,438 --> 00:16:14,139 [Sophia] You're alright? 277 00:16:17,509 --> 00:16:19,144 Fuck! Oh, God! 278 00:16:25,317 --> 00:16:27,252 Why do you want Handycam? 279 00:16:27,286 --> 00:16:29,521 [Sophia] We're using our good camera to document this, 280 00:16:29,555 --> 00:16:31,223 I wanna be able to document that, OK? 281 00:16:32,691 --> 00:16:36,362 You realize the footage will come nowhere close to matching up, right? 282 00:16:36,395 --> 00:16:39,531 [Sophia] It's documentary, dude, it doesn't have to match. 283 00:16:40,833 --> 00:16:43,068 I'm gonna ignore that you just said that. 284 00:16:43,102 --> 00:16:48,340 So, what we're doing now is we set up this camera, 285 00:16:48,374 --> 00:16:50,509 I'm gonna shoot it down the tunnel 286 00:16:50,542 --> 00:16:53,078 starting right at midnight, it's gonna go all the way to 1:00 a.m. 287 00:16:53,112 --> 00:16:55,447 -[Sophia] Yeah. -Now this will take the place 288 00:16:55,481 --> 00:16:58,484 of a human eye and it will not blink, 289 00:16:58,517 --> 00:17:02,087 it will constantly run and hopefully right at 1:00 a.m., 290 00:17:02,121 --> 00:17:06,392 as the legend says, Peeping Tom will show up 291 00:17:07,426 --> 00:17:09,728 and butterfly kiss my camera. 292 00:17:09,762 --> 00:17:11,663 [Sophia] Look, as much as I hate to say this 293 00:17:11,697 --> 00:17:13,532 I think this actually has a really good shot of working 294 00:17:13,565 --> 00:17:15,634 before you let this go to your head 295 00:17:15,667 --> 00:17:18,270 simply because a lens is like an eye, OK? 296 00:17:18,303 --> 00:17:23,275 -The shutter, we're good, OK? -The shutter? 297 00:17:23,308 --> 00:17:26,111 [Sophia] Yes, I think the shutter. Well, technically... 298 00:17:26,145 --> 00:17:28,113 That's the only part of the camera... 299 00:17:28,147 --> 00:17:31,450 [Sophia] Technically, that would be blinking. The what? 300 00:17:35,154 --> 00:17:37,556 [traffic noise] 301 00:17:37,589 --> 00:17:39,625 [Sophia] Alright, man, we're coming up on it. 302 00:17:39,658 --> 00:17:41,593 -What's the time? -You ready? 303 00:17:41,627 --> 00:17:43,262 What's the time? 304 00:17:43,295 --> 00:17:44,363 We've got ten more seconds 305 00:17:44,396 --> 00:17:46,398 starting now. 306 00:17:46,432 --> 00:17:48,434 Ten, nine... 307 00:17:48,467 --> 00:17:50,536 Come on, Mr. Blink, See anything? 308 00:17:50,569 --> 00:17:53,705 -No, nothing. -Come on! 309 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:58,243 And, now! 310 00:18:00,679 --> 00:18:02,381 See anything? 311 00:18:02,414 --> 00:18:04,149 Don't kill it! You see anything? 312 00:18:05,284 --> 00:18:07,319 Do you see anything? 313 00:18:07,352 --> 00:18:10,823 Feldman, answer my question, do you see anything? 314 00:18:10,856 --> 00:18:13,692 Do not kill the camera, just give him a second to... 315 00:18:14,726 --> 00:18:16,528 [under the breath] Fuck! 316 00:18:18,330 --> 00:18:23,569 ...that you live in, but if I'm gonna be here to yada yada, clean this up a little bit, 317 00:18:23,602 --> 00:18:27,339 I mean, as far as the tapes go, can I make like a box, like the... 318 00:18:28,273 --> 00:18:30,742 -[Sophia] OK. -You got a shoe box [indistinct], or... 319 00:18:30,776 --> 00:18:32,678 [Sophia] We'll just work on this another day. 320 00:18:32,711 --> 00:18:35,614 Do we have a backup plan here? 321 00:18:38,383 --> 00:18:41,487 [Sophia] Dude, dude, dude, dude! Are you seeing that? 322 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:42,621 Am I seeing what? 323 00:18:42,654 --> 00:18:44,256 Feldman, look right there! 324 00:18:44,289 --> 00:18:46,458 Feldman, look right there! 325 00:18:46,492 --> 00:18:48,293 -Yeah! I know. -Do you see that? 326 00:18:50,996 --> 00:18:52,698 [Feldman] What? Was that there or... 327 00:18:52,731 --> 00:18:54,633 Do you see that? What the fuck is that? 328 00:18:54,666 --> 00:18:57,703 -I didn't add it! -Are you serious? 329 00:18:57,736 --> 00:19:00,339 -[Sophia] Oh, my gosh, I think-- -[Feldman] Holy shit! 330 00:19:00,372 --> 00:19:02,808 Is there any way that you can brighten this, like whatsoever. 331 00:19:02,841 --> 00:19:06,845 Yeah, yeah, I mean it's gonna look like hell, but no, I can do it. 332 00:19:06,879 --> 00:19:08,747 OK, do you want me to take the camera right now? 333 00:19:08,780 --> 00:19:10,516 [Feldman] So, I'm bringing up the light. 334 00:19:10,549 --> 00:19:12,217 [Sophia] Cool, cool, do it! 335 00:19:15,854 --> 00:19:17,756 -[Sophia] Gosh, dude! -[Feldman] Bang! 336 00:19:17,789 --> 00:19:19,324 [Feldman] Right fucking there! 337 00:19:19,358 --> 00:19:21,560 [Sophia] That was right on the hour mark. 338 00:19:21,593 --> 00:19:23,362 Zoom in, zoom in. 339 00:19:23,395 --> 00:19:25,797 Alright, this is the closest I can get with that, 340 00:19:25,831 --> 00:19:27,799 and like still be able to see shit, so you ready? 341 00:19:27,833 --> 00:19:31,270 Alright, alright, go, go! 342 00:19:32,804 --> 00:19:35,274 -[Feldman] Holy shit! -[Sophia] Oh, my gosh! 343 00:19:36,742 --> 00:19:38,443 [Feldman] Look at that motherfucker! 344 00:19:38,477 --> 00:19:40,245 [Sophia] You're kidding me! 345 00:19:40,279 --> 00:19:42,614 Like five minutes ago, this is all over, 346 00:19:42,648 --> 00:19:44,950 but we have Peeping Tom here! 347 00:19:44,983 --> 00:19:47,853 -We fucking got him, man! -Oh my gosh! 348 00:19:49,821 --> 00:19:56,261 [Andy] I don't see any signs that it was faked, in the sense that like it was... 349 00:19:56,295 --> 00:19:58,664 like someone went in with a computer and added something, 350 00:19:58,697 --> 00:20:01,667 like there's nothing in there that I can definitively point to and say: 351 00:20:01,700 --> 00:20:02,801 "OK, this is a fake." 352 00:20:02,834 --> 00:20:04,703 So, I would go with that, 353 00:20:04,736 --> 00:20:06,538 at the same time, you know, 354 00:20:06,572 --> 00:20:07,806 it's a small little video, 355 00:20:07,839 --> 00:20:09,408 there's not a lot of detail, 356 00:20:09,441 --> 00:20:11,777 so I'm hesitant to commit either way, 357 00:20:11,810 --> 00:20:14,613 but I, if it was... 358 00:20:14,646 --> 00:20:17,649 if something were there, it would probably look like that. 359 00:20:17,683 --> 00:20:20,552 You were convinced that that would just 360 00:20:20,586 --> 00:20:26,491 be natural lighting, no manipulation as far as that particular shot is concerned. 361 00:20:26,525 --> 00:20:30,963 Well, I'm not convinced of anything, it's certainly plausible. 362 00:20:30,996 --> 00:20:32,764 Right, but you're not ruling it out. 363 00:20:32,798 --> 00:20:34,433 I can't point to anything and say: 364 00:20:34,466 --> 00:20:35,667 "This makes is a fake." 365 00:20:35,701 --> 00:20:37,469 It could be a guy, dressed up, 366 00:20:37,502 --> 00:20:39,338 standing up in the back maybe, 367 00:20:39,371 --> 00:20:42,441 like, you know, it could be a practical kind of hoax, 368 00:20:42,474 --> 00:20:45,611 like someone could have taken this and in a computer, 369 00:20:45,644 --> 00:20:48,480 it's gone and manipulated it. 370 00:20:48,513 --> 00:20:53,018 The idea of the technological equivalent of the actual eye, 371 00:20:53,051 --> 00:20:56,655 which is actually a part of the human organism, 372 00:20:56,688 --> 00:21:01,760 and the human mind, the idea of using a camera as a real equivalent of that, 373 00:21:01,793 --> 00:21:06,598 metaphysical equivalent, strikes me as... I have a hard time with that. 374 00:21:06,632 --> 00:21:11,637 I don't know, man, you, I mean we're sitting here trying to explain spirits, so... 375 00:21:11,670 --> 00:21:14,339 If you want to have a rational conversation about ghosts 376 00:21:14,373 --> 00:21:18,410 and goblins versus camera technology, I'm not really sure. 377 00:21:18,443 --> 00:21:20,746 [Erik] So, where are we? What are we doing? 378 00:21:20,779 --> 00:21:23,582 We are at the VFW in Glen Burnie, Maryland, 379 00:21:23,615 --> 00:21:28,820 and I'm gonna go and present some of the footage to an assembled group 380 00:21:28,854 --> 00:21:34,793 of paranormal investigators, ghosthunters and get some allies here. 381 00:21:36,061 --> 00:21:38,030 [Erik] What's the end game here tonight? 382 00:21:38,063 --> 00:21:41,099 Well, the end game is that when we do the press conference, 383 00:21:41,133 --> 00:21:44,469 I can have a handful of these people standing beside me saying: 384 00:21:44,503 --> 00:21:45,871 "Footage is real, 385 00:21:45,904 --> 00:21:47,906 we're behind you, Gavin, we believe you!" 386 00:21:47,939 --> 00:21:52,077 And then they... I think they reach some 10,000 people or something, so... 387 00:21:52,110 --> 00:21:55,514 Our Facebook page has over 8,000 likes 388 00:21:55,547 --> 00:21:58,517 and most of those people 389 00:21:58,550 --> 00:22:02,587 are into the paranormal or they want to be on our Facebook page. 390 00:22:02,621 --> 00:22:07,693 So, yes, I could put it out there for others to see. 391 00:22:07,726 --> 00:22:11,063 [Gavin] We're just gonna show the image of Peeping Tom coming up to the tunnel. 392 00:22:11,096 --> 00:22:14,633 [Erik] Why are you only showing the ghost and apparently the ghost proofs? 393 00:22:14,666 --> 00:22:16,134 Just that one shot. 394 00:22:16,168 --> 00:22:18,437 I don't think they need any of the other information, 395 00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:20,639 I think right now we're just trying to determine whether 396 00:22:20,672 --> 00:22:24,109 or not Peeping Tom is a real entity and the story about 397 00:22:24,142 --> 00:22:28,947 Sophia and the big guns and on the actual what happened. I think you want to see that. 398 00:22:28,980 --> 00:22:31,950 [Gavin] The only plausible explanation that you folks could think 399 00:22:31,983 --> 00:22:34,052 and myself and the first thing I thought of 400 00:22:34,086 --> 00:22:35,954 was this has got to be a guy in a suit, 401 00:22:35,987 --> 00:22:38,090 this is somebody standing there at the end of the tunnel, 402 00:22:38,123 --> 00:22:40,859 they're playing a practical joke, OK? 403 00:22:40,892 --> 00:22:45,564 The thing that this bunks that theory however is the fact that the metadata 404 00:22:45,597 --> 00:22:47,999 on both cameras say that there was no one else there. 405 00:22:48,033 --> 00:22:52,437 One camera films the other camera, we've got proof of both of that 406 00:22:52,471 --> 00:22:54,873 it turned on, this is what happens when they played it back. 407 00:22:54,906 --> 00:22:57,909 Right now you just want to pick everybody's interest, we're gonna get them to talk, 408 00:22:57,943 --> 00:23:01,613 "Who's Peeping Tom, the tunnel?" Right here in your mind. Just phew! 409 00:23:01,646 --> 00:23:03,215 [Erik] Gonna get it so he showed you. 410 00:23:03,248 --> 00:23:05,584 Until he shows us more, we just don't know. 411 00:23:05,617 --> 00:23:09,588 -[Erik] Right! -We believe there's a possibility, 412 00:23:09,621 --> 00:23:10,689 but we need more evidence. 413 00:23:12,357 --> 00:23:18,830 Saying everything else for, you know, that next big steps will be wolf's surprise. 414 00:23:18,864 --> 00:23:21,900 It'll probably work out a lot better too. 415 00:23:21,933 --> 00:23:23,902 So you know, you can see what I saw. 416 00:23:23,935 --> 00:23:26,638 I mean the journey that we've already been on. 417 00:23:26,671 --> 00:23:28,640 You can't tell that this isn't gonna be the shot, 418 00:23:28,673 --> 00:23:33,712 this is Gavin's chance, this is my second chance to make it. 419 00:23:33,745 --> 00:23:35,080 [man] Fortune and glory! 420 00:23:35,113 --> 00:23:36,648 [Erik] Let's go back a little bit, 421 00:23:36,681 --> 00:23:38,617 let's talk about you as a filmmaker. 422 00:23:38,650 --> 00:23:40,852 You went to school for filmmaking? 423 00:23:40,886 --> 00:23:43,855 Yeah, my non-degree, that's what I like to tell everybody it was. 424 00:23:43,889 --> 00:23:47,692 He does a lot of weddings, so, you know, there's wedding season 425 00:23:47,726 --> 00:23:52,898 and then in the off season it's kind of a little bit more spotty. 426 00:23:52,931 --> 00:23:55,100 And then as the years went by, 427 00:23:55,133 --> 00:24:01,173 it became a way to pay the bills and to still convince myself that I'm a filmmaker. 428 00:24:01,206 --> 00:24:05,544 Now, it's just a way to pay the bills. 429 00:24:05,577 --> 00:24:08,880 [Erik] Isn't this wedding season right now? 430 00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:13,218 Yeah, it's July. 431 00:24:13,251 --> 00:24:15,954 I'm sorry, I don't want to embarrass anybody, but it... 432 00:24:17,189 --> 00:24:22,661 She's always hectic, she's always happened to come and borrow money and, 433 00:24:22,694 --> 00:24:26,832 and that doesn't bother me, that's what we're here for, right, 434 00:24:26,865 --> 00:24:29,935 to make sure that everything's... 435 00:24:29,968 --> 00:24:32,604 We can help out. Everything's OK. 436 00:24:32,637 --> 00:24:36,808 [Erik] Does Gavin know that you're getting help? 437 00:24:36,842 --> 00:24:39,744 I mean it's not so much help 438 00:24:39,778 --> 00:24:44,683 that it needs to be discussed or whatever. 439 00:24:44,716 --> 00:24:47,552 [Erik] So, let me ask you a question, you're taking their film 440 00:24:47,586 --> 00:24:49,855 and you're trying to show it to the world, 441 00:24:49,888 --> 00:24:52,991 but why aren't you making this movie that I'm making right now? 442 00:24:53,024 --> 00:24:56,728 Why aren't you doing a film of your own essentially rather than just, 443 00:24:56,761 --> 00:24:58,830 you know, taking somebody else's and finishing it? 444 00:24:58,864 --> 00:25:01,733 Nobody would believe this if I did it, OK? 445 00:25:01,766 --> 00:25:04,970 Nobody's gonna believe a documentary about me finding footage 446 00:25:05,003 --> 00:25:07,005 and putting it together and running around. 447 00:25:07,038 --> 00:25:10,242 That's why we need you, that's why you're here to tell the story. 448 00:25:10,275 --> 00:25:17,549 Because if the audience doesn't believe the footage, then you're in the same exact place. 449 00:25:20,151 --> 00:25:23,255 -[door knocking] -Come in! 450 00:25:25,390 --> 00:25:27,092 Fellas! 451 00:25:27,125 --> 00:25:29,928 -[Jamie] Gavin, how are you doing? -How are you? Gavin York. 452 00:25:29,961 --> 00:25:31,129 [Gavin] I want to make sure 453 00:25:31,162 --> 00:25:32,864 that this is well thought out, 454 00:25:32,898 --> 00:25:34,699 put together with a lot of care. 455 00:25:34,733 --> 00:25:37,135 We're in this business because we like to entertain, 456 00:25:37,168 --> 00:25:40,705 but we're in this business because we want to make money, OK? 457 00:25:40,739 --> 00:25:44,109 It's found footage, I understand, it's a found footage style. 458 00:25:44,142 --> 00:25:50,315 Well, it's real. As in "It's found footage, because I found the footage." 459 00:25:52,050 --> 00:25:54,052 -OK. -I actually found it. 460 00:25:54,085 --> 00:25:55,754 -Right. -OK. 461 00:25:55,787 --> 00:25:57,756 [Erik] But you understand why it looks suspicious 462 00:25:57,789 --> 00:25:59,758 that rather than just putting the footage out there, 463 00:25:59,791 --> 00:26:03,695 you are having it cleaned up and mixed 464 00:26:03,728 --> 00:26:05,030 for theatrical release. 465 00:26:05,063 --> 00:26:06,765 But who is gonna know that? 466 00:26:06,798 --> 00:26:08,233 You're treating it right now like a movie. 467 00:26:08,266 --> 00:26:10,068 But why can't you treat it both? 468 00:26:10,101 --> 00:26:11,937 Cleaning it up kind of defeats the purpose 469 00:26:11,970 --> 00:26:14,406 of it being this gritty found footage found in a basement. 470 00:26:14,439 --> 00:26:16,408 I guess, I mean I'm not really trying 471 00:26:16,441 --> 00:26:19,044 to walk around and say, "Hey, look how gritty it is!" 472 00:26:19,077 --> 00:26:20,645 It's your project. 473 00:26:20,679 --> 00:26:22,314 It all comes down to how to approach it 474 00:26:22,347 --> 00:26:24,316 and when we figure out how we're gonna approach it, 475 00:26:24,349 --> 00:26:26,017 then we can help you budget for it. 476 00:26:26,051 --> 00:26:27,852 -[Gavin] Sure. -I understand that 477 00:26:27,886 --> 00:26:30,789 that's a concern. I understand that it isn't so fun. 478 00:26:30,822 --> 00:26:33,892 -Yeah, yeah, but about that... -In the project... 479 00:26:33,925 --> 00:26:36,127 [Erik] Realistically, how much can you afford? 480 00:26:39,097 --> 00:26:41,900 Realistically, I can't afford anything. 481 00:26:41,933 --> 00:26:47,672 This is an opportunity for us to get in like on the ground floor. 482 00:26:47,706 --> 00:26:52,344 This is a game changer. When you watch it, you will know. 483 00:26:52,377 --> 00:26:54,346 [Erik] You're trying to get them to do this... 484 00:26:54,379 --> 00:26:57,949 For free, for zero, for a piece of the pie. 485 00:26:57,983 --> 00:27:01,753 We all know these conversations happen all the time and in the reality of it is that, 486 00:27:01,786 --> 00:27:05,256 as a business, there's got to be some kind of 487 00:27:05,290 --> 00:27:07,926 process that works for us that keeps our lights on 488 00:27:07,959 --> 00:27:10,028 -so to speak. -Oh, sure, sure. 489 00:27:10,061 --> 00:27:12,297 If I have to pay, 490 00:27:12,330 --> 00:27:18,103 I'm willing to go maybe $1,500. 491 00:27:18,136 --> 00:27:20,071 We could probably do about 492 00:27:20,105 --> 00:27:24,242 $2,000, but then it's gonna be a lot of ramen noodles. 493 00:27:24,275 --> 00:27:30,982 Most features that get full packages, even on an indie rate are anywhere from like 10 to 20. 494 00:27:31,016 --> 00:27:37,255 I can't leave here without them agreeing to do this. 495 00:27:38,757 --> 00:27:41,126 Alright, Feldman, just let me do the talking, OK? 496 00:27:41,159 --> 00:27:43,862 -[Feldman] Sure! -Cool! Thank you! 497 00:27:43,895 --> 00:27:45,096 [knocking] 498 00:27:46,431 --> 00:27:48,867 -Hey, Dr. Wolfe? -Miss Crane. 499 00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:51,469 Hey, I know it's first thing early in the morning and everything, 500 00:27:51,503 --> 00:27:53,772 but we have something really awesome 501 00:27:53,805 --> 00:27:55,940 to show you for the documentary and it would be great... 502 00:27:55,974 --> 00:27:59,177 Wow, wow. Mr. Feldman, what's with the camera? 503 00:27:59,210 --> 00:28:01,012 [Sophia] I got this, Feldman. 504 00:28:01,046 --> 00:28:02,747 It's actually for the documentary. 505 00:28:02,781 --> 00:28:05,350 There's actually something that we need to show you. 506 00:28:05,383 --> 00:28:07,485 Hey, Feldman, are you rolling? 507 00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:08,787 Yeah. 508 00:28:09,854 --> 00:28:11,289 All this will become very clear in five seconds, 509 00:28:11,322 --> 00:28:13,391 but we are documenting this entire process. 510 00:28:13,425 --> 00:28:15,794 [Feldman] So, right at 1 a.m. this is what happened. 511 00:28:19,330 --> 00:28:22,233 -[Dr. Wolfe] Hmm. -So? 512 00:28:22,267 --> 00:28:24,402 -Nicely done! -What do you think? 513 00:28:24,436 --> 00:28:27,305 An excellent effect! You guys have done a good job! 514 00:28:27,338 --> 00:28:30,442 No, Dr. Wolfe, this is not an effect, this is for real! 515 00:28:30,475 --> 00:28:32,343 This is not the project we talked about, 516 00:28:32,377 --> 00:28:34,179 but you've got a nice premise here, 517 00:28:34,212 --> 00:28:35,947 you've got something you can work with, 518 00:28:35,980 --> 00:28:38,149 you can turn this into a very sweet horror film. 519 00:28:38,183 --> 00:28:39,984 -We... -Just one second, OK? 520 00:28:40,018 --> 00:28:42,187 My camera it's about run out of batteries. 521 00:28:42,220 --> 00:28:44,789 OK, get the camera, please. OK, this is grey data, Dr. Wolfe. 522 00:28:44,823 --> 00:28:48,359 We need your advising right now, OK? This... 523 00:28:50,829 --> 00:28:52,797 ...psychodrama you're trying to do here 524 00:28:52,831 --> 00:28:55,800 and I respect, you're trying to be creative and all, 525 00:28:55,834 --> 00:28:58,470 but I'm very uncomfortable with you filming me. 526 00:28:58,503 --> 00:29:00,505 There would not have been enough time to put all these 527 00:29:00,538 --> 00:29:02,507 enhancements in it and everything else. 528 00:29:02,540 --> 00:29:05,110 This guy doesn't know what the hell he's doing. 529 00:29:05,143 --> 00:29:06,945 Take five, Feldman. 530 00:29:06,978 --> 00:29:09,347 Look, I would not put my good name on the line. 531 00:29:09,380 --> 00:29:12,217 Did you have that tape in your hands 532 00:29:12,250 --> 00:29:16,588 24/7 from the moment that you walked away from that tunnel? 533 00:29:16,621 --> 00:29:20,158 Feldman is a slacker, he's in the seventh year of his six-year plan 534 00:29:20,191 --> 00:29:23,361 to get through school and, you know what? He's a genius. 535 00:29:23,394 --> 00:29:25,230 He's a genius when it comes to the camera 536 00:29:25,263 --> 00:29:26,598 and doing things with it. 537 00:29:26,631 --> 00:29:28,867 [Sophia] Well, I called Mr. Folklore 538 00:29:28,900 --> 00:29:30,235 and left a message on his machine, 539 00:29:30,268 --> 00:29:32,103 so I guess we should 540 00:29:32,137 --> 00:29:33,071 have talked to him first. 541 00:29:34,172 --> 00:29:36,107 [Feldman] Well, why don't we just go talk to him now? 542 00:29:36,141 --> 00:29:38,376 My big thing is how did anybody look at that footage 543 00:29:38,409 --> 00:29:40,111 and say that it's not real? 544 00:29:40,145 --> 00:29:44,482 That's what I'm saying. Obviously, we're still learning. 545 00:29:44,516 --> 00:29:46,518 Like, you just can't fake that. 546 00:29:50,488 --> 00:29:52,423 -Come on! -[Feldman] Anything? 547 00:29:52,457 --> 00:29:53,992 -No! -Awesome! 548 00:29:54,025 --> 00:29:56,227 I'm gonna check the side. 549 00:30:00,131 --> 00:30:02,634 Honestly, I feel a little weird about creeping in his window, but... 550 00:30:02,667 --> 00:30:06,271 [Feldman] This is a folklore guy, I'm sure this is the least creepy thing about it. 551 00:30:06,304 --> 00:30:08,173 Yeah. 552 00:30:08,206 --> 00:30:09,941 -[Feldman] Anything? -No! 553 00:30:12,210 --> 00:30:14,979 Shit! Now what? 554 00:30:18,049 --> 00:30:19,417 1527? 555 00:30:19,450 --> 00:30:23,555 Oh, this is it, this is it, right here. 556 00:30:23,588 --> 00:30:25,190 You guys, this is the house. 557 00:30:27,091 --> 00:30:29,494 Oh, my God. 558 00:30:29,527 --> 00:30:32,330 Just like being in a dream, I can't believe we're actually here. 559 00:30:32,363 --> 00:30:37,602 [Matt] It was undoubtedly through the Weird books that I have worked on for a good... 560 00:30:37,635 --> 00:30:43,041 It was about 7-8 years I was working on this series of Weird books 561 00:30:43,074 --> 00:30:45,977 and certainly in Pennsylvania and Maryland, 562 00:30:46,010 --> 00:30:48,313 this is what I'm best known for. 563 00:30:48,346 --> 00:30:49,614 [door knocking] 564 00:30:52,383 --> 00:30:54,419 -Mr. Lake! -Mr. York! 565 00:30:54,452 --> 00:30:55,954 -Call me, Gavin, please! -Gavin. 566 00:30:55,987 --> 00:30:57,689 This is the camera crew and everybody! 567 00:30:57,722 --> 00:30:59,057 Hi! Come on... 568 00:30:59,090 --> 00:31:00,325 Just don't pay them any mind, 569 00:31:00,358 --> 00:31:01,593 they're just gonna do their thing. 570 00:31:01,626 --> 00:31:04,195 -OK. -This place is great! 571 00:31:04,229 --> 00:31:06,564 I have to tell you, this is an absolute thrill, 572 00:31:06,598 --> 00:31:09,567 it's been about six months I've been studying this place. 573 00:31:09,601 --> 00:31:12,070 Wow, that's kind of unusual! 574 00:31:12,103 --> 00:31:14,038 Right here, this is it! 575 00:31:14,973 --> 00:31:19,110 This is it, this is the spot where you gave your interview. 576 00:31:19,143 --> 00:31:21,346 -I vaguely remember it. -Ten years ago! 577 00:31:21,379 --> 00:31:25,583 Yeah! I don't often have crews in my house. 578 00:31:25,617 --> 00:31:28,186 Yeah, Gavin sent me a message on Facebook 579 00:31:28,219 --> 00:31:31,656 and he told me that he found small footage of me, 580 00:31:31,689 --> 00:31:33,591 so I'm kind of interested to see the footage. 581 00:31:33,625 --> 00:31:35,593 [Matt on TV] Keep your eyes open 582 00:31:35,627 --> 00:31:37,629 for a long time because that's how you conjure him up. 583 00:31:37,662 --> 00:31:39,497 When he's right up there, 584 00:31:39,530 --> 00:31:41,366 the temptation is dead staring you in the face, 585 00:31:41,399 --> 00:31:43,668 you do anything you can to avoid him. 586 00:31:50,341 --> 00:31:52,210 [Sophia] Nice doorbell, Feldman. 587 00:31:52,243 --> 00:31:54,345 [rock music coming from inside] 588 00:31:58,449 --> 00:32:00,051 [loud rock music] 589 00:32:02,287 --> 00:32:04,389 [Sophia] OK, wait a minute. Why are we doing it here 590 00:32:04,422 --> 00:32:06,157 and not at my house with the rest of the footage? 591 00:32:06,190 --> 00:32:08,159 Because I don't want to unplug the camera from the TV 592 00:32:08,192 --> 00:32:10,395 and I don't want to unplug anything, I can't lose, 593 00:32:10,428 --> 00:32:12,764 I don't want to go away. The last time we did it on your computer, 594 00:32:12,797 --> 00:32:16,034 we had the tapes in my camera, now it's in this, 595 00:32:16,067 --> 00:32:17,602 just let me do my thing right now, OK? 596 00:32:17,635 --> 00:32:19,370 I got the time codes written down. 597 00:32:19,404 --> 00:32:21,072 OK, but what are you doing? 598 00:32:24,042 --> 00:32:25,443 I just gotta show you. 599 00:32:29,580 --> 00:32:32,517 I gotta say this is a real treat for me. 600 00:32:32,550 --> 00:32:36,220 You don't have any idea how much you validate 601 00:32:36,254 --> 00:32:38,623 what I'm working on right now, which is really great. 602 00:32:38,656 --> 00:32:40,625 Just feed this up through your chain. 603 00:32:40,658 --> 00:32:43,628 So tell me about your role in the documentary. 604 00:32:43,661 --> 00:32:45,697 Oh, it was, it was minimal. 605 00:32:45,730 --> 00:32:50,468 The two people came, they got in touch with me, they came around 606 00:32:50,501 --> 00:32:55,573 and, yeah, we were here for an hour or so and then they, then they moved on. 607 00:32:55,606 --> 00:32:57,308 That was the last I saw them, just once. 608 00:32:57,342 --> 00:33:00,578 Sophia, Feldman. How did they get in touch with you? 609 00:33:00,611 --> 00:33:06,250 Email, was it phone, did they call you, did somebody, friend of a friend? 610 00:33:06,284 --> 00:33:08,486 I'm gonna tell you the truth, I don't remember. 611 00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:10,121 It was a decade ago. 612 00:33:10,154 --> 00:33:13,257 When you got in touch with me, I was... 613 00:33:13,291 --> 00:33:17,495 I searched my email archives and didn't find anything there, 614 00:33:17,528 --> 00:33:21,733 if it was the phone, then, you know, I don't keep phone records. 615 00:33:21,766 --> 00:33:25,436 So, is there a reason why Peeping Tom was excluded from Weird Maryland, 616 00:33:25,470 --> 00:33:30,074 obviously the Ilchester tunnel is in Maryland, any reason not to include it? 617 00:33:30,108 --> 00:33:37,081 It just wasn't as strong a story, I had that kind of a vibe about it that felt more like 618 00:33:37,115 --> 00:33:39,650 what we call fakelore rather than folklore. 619 00:33:39,684 --> 00:33:42,620 -OK. -I have a lot more stories 620 00:33:42,653 --> 00:33:44,122 than I have pages to... 621 00:33:44,155 --> 00:33:46,357 Alright, let's talk about the footage. 622 00:33:46,391 --> 00:33:50,495 I wasn't a part of it, you know, I just watched it for a few... 623 00:33:50,528 --> 00:33:52,530 Sure, but as an expert, 624 00:33:52,563 --> 00:33:58,202 let's get an authoritative kind of dissertation on that, if you will. 625 00:33:58,236 --> 00:34:04,108 That thing at the end of the tunnel with the... 626 00:34:04,142 --> 00:34:07,245 -Peeping Tom. -Peeping Tom coming in, 627 00:34:07,278 --> 00:34:09,680 it was a very striking image, 628 00:34:09,714 --> 00:34:12,183 it was iconic, it was an iconic image. 629 00:34:12,216 --> 00:34:15,720 Pretty scary. What about what happened next? 630 00:34:21,559 --> 00:34:23,327 [Feldman] Are you rolling on this, right? 631 00:34:23,361 --> 00:34:25,163 -Yeah. -Alright. 632 00:34:25,196 --> 00:34:26,798 [Sophia] What are you trying to show me? 633 00:34:26,831 --> 00:34:28,533 -[Feldman] Just watch. -OK. 634 00:34:28,566 --> 00:34:30,134 [Feldman] There, did you see it? 635 00:34:30,168 --> 00:34:31,803 OK, no. What am I looking for? 636 00:34:31,836 --> 00:34:33,237 -I'm gonna rewind. -OK. 637 00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:38,309 [Feldman] Alright. Look in the back on top of the building on the left. 638 00:34:38,342 --> 00:34:39,844 There, there! 639 00:34:39,877 --> 00:34:42,280 [Sophia] OK, so it's like a giant bird, right? 640 00:34:42,313 --> 00:34:44,882 No, it's not a giant bird. 641 00:34:44,916 --> 00:34:46,517 OK, what is it? 642 00:34:46,551 --> 00:34:47,885 What do you think it is? 643 00:34:49,153 --> 00:34:51,289 When I go to change the battery and I turn out and there! 644 00:34:51,322 --> 00:34:53,257 -[Sophia] Where am I looking? -There! 645 00:34:53,291 --> 00:34:55,393 Right there, next to the air duct. 646 00:34:55,426 --> 00:34:56,594 [Sophia] Wait a minute. 647 00:34:56,627 --> 00:34:58,196 [Feldman] But remember the spot. 648 00:34:58,229 --> 00:34:59,564 I'm gonna go forward. 649 00:34:59,597 --> 00:35:01,766 I remember, we turned it off and... 650 00:35:01,799 --> 00:35:04,602 [Sophia] OK, wait a minute, dude... 651 00:35:04,635 --> 00:35:07,338 [Feldman] This is as far as I've got. 652 00:35:07,371 --> 00:35:09,307 [Sophia] OK, come on, show me the other footage. 653 00:35:09,340 --> 00:35:12,276 -Alright, well... -You got me a little excited. 654 00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:13,911 Oh, I'm running, run, run. 655 00:35:13,945 --> 00:35:15,546 -Did you see that? -No! 656 00:35:15,580 --> 00:35:16,714 OK, OK, wait, wait! 657 00:35:16,747 --> 00:35:18,549 Play, play, alright. 658 00:35:18,583 --> 00:35:20,651 Get ready, ready, right there! 659 00:35:20,685 --> 00:35:22,320 -Oh, shit! -Oh, shit! 660 00:35:22,353 --> 00:35:23,688 [Feldman] Rewind, rewind! 661 00:35:23,721 --> 00:35:25,590 Ready, don't blink! 662 00:35:26,657 --> 00:35:28,893 -Here! There, see that? -That's right. 663 00:35:28,926 --> 00:35:31,863 -[Sophia] Got it! -Press pause! 664 00:35:31,896 --> 00:35:33,531 -[Sophia] Pause. -[Feldman] Bingo! 665 00:35:33,564 --> 00:35:35,199 [Sophia] Oh, right there. 666 00:35:35,233 --> 00:35:37,435 Oh, my gosh, dude, it's fucking Blinkman! 667 00:35:37,468 --> 00:35:39,737 Yeah, the thing is we're not the ones blinking, 668 00:35:39,770 --> 00:35:41,639 it's the camera that's blinking, 669 00:35:41,672 --> 00:35:43,541 so every time I'm making a new clip, he's there. 670 00:35:43,574 --> 00:35:46,844 Yeah, wait a minute! 671 00:35:47,845 --> 00:35:52,483 Every single time we turn the camera on and off and it blinks, 672 00:35:52,517 --> 00:35:55,653 he's almost, he's getting closer. 673 00:35:57,622 --> 00:36:01,292 [Matt] Well, I had no idea I was being involved with a film 674 00:36:01,325 --> 00:36:04,529 of that kind, it was kind of scary, it was well constructed. 675 00:36:04,562 --> 00:36:08,666 So that was, so what we just watched, your opinion is that it's fake. 676 00:36:08,699 --> 00:36:12,637 That there's no Peeping Tom, there's no, they didn't find anything in that tunnel. 677 00:36:12,670 --> 00:36:13,938 -Yeah. -This is all? 678 00:36:13,971 --> 00:36:16,674 -It looked like... -All non-weird. 679 00:36:16,707 --> 00:36:19,410 -It's... -It didn't make your book. 680 00:36:19,443 --> 00:36:21,345 What I'm just trying to figure out is... 681 00:36:21,379 --> 00:36:23,781 Two human beings, alright, these are two people, 682 00:36:23,814 --> 00:36:25,550 you are the only link 683 00:36:27,251 --> 00:36:30,788 to them even existing and I called you, I explained to you how important you were. 684 00:36:30,821 --> 00:36:35,626 It just seems to me that you're not taking it as seriously as I thought you would. 685 00:36:35,660 --> 00:36:37,261 As an esteemed author would. 686 00:36:37,295 --> 00:36:38,796 You're kind of brushing it off a little bit, 687 00:36:38,829 --> 00:36:40,531 you live all the way out here, 688 00:36:40,565 --> 00:36:43,267 far away from anybody to be able to track you down. 689 00:36:43,301 --> 00:36:45,937 You don't have emails conveniently right after, 690 00:36:45,970 --> 00:36:49,373 right after they came and talked to you. "I don't remember who it was. 691 00:36:49,407 --> 00:36:52,276 I had a phone line that've been bouncing my service back and forth." 692 00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:54,812 Who does that? Nobody bounces their service back and forth. 693 00:36:54,845 --> 00:36:56,714 It just sounds to me like a lot of conjecture, sir. 694 00:36:56,747 --> 00:36:59,850 You wouldn't be involved in their disappearance, well then? 695 00:37:00,985 --> 00:37:04,388 -That's ridiculous! -Is it so ridiculous? 696 00:37:04,422 --> 00:37:09,427 Because it's, it's... I don't know, that was a documentary! 697 00:37:09,460 --> 00:37:10,494 It was a documentary. 698 00:37:10,528 --> 00:37:11,696 Were you gonna say stupid? 699 00:37:11,729 --> 00:37:13,564 No, I'm not gonna say stupid! 700 00:37:13,598 --> 00:37:15,433 I can find stuff that's pretty stupid. 701 00:37:15,466 --> 00:37:17,001 I mean, I know it's all that year, but... 702 00:37:17,034 --> 00:37:18,569 But it's well put together. 703 00:37:18,603 --> 00:37:19,870 Look, can we cut this please? 704 00:37:19,904 --> 00:37:21,706 I'm done, I'm done! Sorry! 705 00:37:21,739 --> 00:37:23,641 -Would you like to leave, please? -No! 706 00:37:23,674 --> 00:37:26,877 Miller's castle, I just don't understand why you're not... 707 00:37:26,911 --> 00:37:29,614 I just want you to answer whether or not these people 708 00:37:29,647 --> 00:37:33,517 exist or not. I can get out of here, I can validate this whole thing. 709 00:37:33,551 --> 00:37:35,453 -I'm done, I'm done! -Just seem awfully enough 710 00:37:35,486 --> 00:37:37,688 -weird to me! -Turn this thing off, please! 711 00:37:38,623 --> 00:37:40,024 So all he ought to fucking do... 712 00:37:40,057 --> 00:37:42,326 was to answer two goddamn questions. 713 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,464 "Did he know who Sophie and Feldman were?" And: 714 00:37:46,497 --> 00:37:49,900 "Were they coming to make a fake horror movie 715 00:37:49,934 --> 00:37:54,639 or were they're legitimate documentarian filmmakers, 716 00:37:54,672 --> 00:37:57,742 looking to prove or disprove...?" 717 00:37:59,143 --> 00:38:00,645 [honking] Fuck! 718 00:38:18,529 --> 00:38:21,799 Hi buddy, how are you doing? 719 00:38:23,434 --> 00:38:25,936 You want to give your dad a hug? I missed you! 720 00:38:27,838 --> 00:38:30,408 Did you stay inside, did you see the rain? 721 00:38:31,776 --> 00:38:33,644 Can I get a hug, please? 722 00:38:33,678 --> 00:38:34,979 [Carter] [unintelligible] 723 00:38:37,682 --> 00:38:39,050 [sighs] 724 00:38:42,453 --> 00:38:43,921 [Mel] How did it go? 725 00:38:45,089 --> 00:38:46,957 It didn't go well, that's for sure. 726 00:38:48,959 --> 00:38:50,461 Why're you using my computer? 727 00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:53,431 Why is it your computer? 728 00:38:54,131 --> 00:38:56,167 It's got all my work on it! 729 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,637 I've started the computer to do our finances. 730 00:38:59,670 --> 00:39:00,871 [Gavin] OK! 731 00:39:02,106 --> 00:39:05,710 -[Gavin] Alright! -Talk? 732 00:39:06,944 --> 00:39:09,013 We're talking right now. 733 00:39:13,017 --> 00:39:17,988 You know these guys are following me around, Mel, sometimes the story comes out. 734 00:39:18,022 --> 00:39:21,926 Let's go in here. Come on, we'll talk. Come on! 735 00:39:23,561 --> 00:39:24,862 [Mel] We had another letter. 736 00:39:27,832 --> 00:39:29,734 -[Mel] From the bank. -OK. 737 00:39:32,002 --> 00:39:34,672 -[Mel] About our house. -Well, just take 738 00:39:34,705 --> 00:39:36,974 -the money out of savings. -We don't have savings! 739 00:39:37,007 --> 00:39:40,044 [Gavin] What about the budget that we talked about on Thanksgiving? 740 00:39:40,077 --> 00:39:42,446 Yeah, and then your movie happened. 741 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,684 My movie. Listen, it's all gonna be worth it in the end, 742 00:39:46,717 --> 00:39:51,055 as soon as this hits, no more wedding jobs! 743 00:39:51,088 --> 00:39:53,657 [Gavin] This is it, this is what it takes, OK? 744 00:39:53,691 --> 00:39:56,026 There's always gonna be a tough time, alright? 745 00:39:56,060 --> 00:40:00,865 Isn't it gonna be great if we can sit back and we can say, "Carter, what happened?" 746 00:40:00,898 --> 00:40:03,801 [Mel] Carter! Carter needs shoes. 747 00:40:03,834 --> 00:40:07,138 These guys in here right now, I don't want to get into this anymore. 748 00:40:07,171 --> 00:40:09,974 -Alright? We're done! -Yeah! We're done. 749 00:40:10,007 --> 00:40:11,776 [Gavin] Done! 750 00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:18,015 [Feldman] OK, so the camera was a test subject 751 00:40:18,048 --> 00:40:20,050 and stared without blinking for the entire hour, 752 00:40:20,084 --> 00:40:22,820 then according to the legend now sees Peeping Tom 753 00:40:22,853 --> 00:40:25,022 and every time it blinks, he gets closer. 754 00:40:25,055 --> 00:40:26,891 So, in other words, every time we turn it off 755 00:40:26,924 --> 00:40:28,893 and then on, or make a new clip. 756 00:40:28,926 --> 00:40:32,163 Yeah. There's our thesis, he's in our camera. 757 00:40:32,196 --> 00:40:35,633 [Feldman] My camera, and yeah, you know, first he's there in the tunnel, 758 00:40:35,666 --> 00:40:37,635 and he was there again when we met our adviser, 759 00:40:37,668 --> 00:40:39,603 and again when we went to see the author, 760 00:40:39,637 --> 00:40:42,573 and in each case, he got incrementally closer. 761 00:40:42,606 --> 00:40:48,078 But he's still hiding in the frame, he's making this a game, because no one will believe us, 762 00:40:48,112 --> 00:40:50,080 so we have to draw him out in the open. 763 00:40:52,116 --> 00:40:54,485 Why I feel you're not as excited about this as I am? 764 00:40:55,786 --> 00:40:58,923 Feldman, assuming this all really happening... 765 00:40:58,956 --> 00:41:00,658 It's really happening! 766 00:41:00,691 --> 00:41:03,060 Do you realize what this means? 767 00:41:03,093 --> 00:41:05,963 Yeah, it means we're filming him right now. 768 00:41:12,102 --> 00:41:13,838 OK, hey, turn it off, turn it off. 769 00:41:13,871 --> 00:41:15,539 [Feldman] Oh, what's your problem? 770 00:41:15,573 --> 00:41:17,541 My problem is that I'm still directing this 771 00:41:17,575 --> 00:41:19,276 and I don't want this camera on until we figure out 772 00:41:19,310 --> 00:41:21,312 what we're gonna do, OK? Turn it off! 773 00:41:21,345 --> 00:41:25,916 OK, so the camera's... what was that? Did you hear it? 774 00:41:25,950 --> 00:41:26,984 Yeah. 775 00:41:27,017 --> 00:41:28,752 [digital noise] 776 00:41:28,786 --> 00:41:31,255 It sounds like it's at the beginning of each new clip. 777 00:41:31,288 --> 00:41:32,556 It's a digital... 778 00:41:32,590 --> 00:41:34,191 Something to do with the camera, man, 779 00:41:34,225 --> 00:41:35,893 I mean it might be a messed up camera... 780 00:41:35,926 --> 00:41:37,628 Something to do with the camera. 781 00:41:37,661 --> 00:41:39,597 Alright, Feldman, just let me do the talking, OK? 782 00:41:39,630 --> 00:41:42,600 It's on every clip after the bridge 783 00:41:42,633 --> 00:41:45,736 section, so that's gonna be a lot of us going through every piece. 784 00:41:45,769 --> 00:41:48,038 Wait a second, every one after the bridge? 785 00:41:48,072 --> 00:41:50,574 So, as soon as Peeping Tom shows up, 786 00:41:50,608 --> 00:41:53,077 this sound shows up at the same time, is what you're saying. 787 00:41:53,110 --> 00:41:54,678 [digital noise] 788 00:41:57,014 --> 00:41:59,149 This is a little crazy, but it, 789 00:41:59,183 --> 00:42:04,622 it kind of, kind of looks like Morse code. 790 00:42:04,655 --> 00:42:06,790 Like, why would it only show up after the Peeping Tom? 791 00:42:06,824 --> 00:42:08,993 I don't know, you're the one that's got it documented. 792 00:42:09,026 --> 00:42:10,995 I'm just asking you, as a better person. 793 00:42:11,028 --> 00:42:13,264 -Documentary crew... -What do you think 794 00:42:13,297 --> 00:42:15,332 as a human being? Why would that show up like... 795 00:42:15,366 --> 00:42:17,801 I don't know, it's something that you want us to see. 796 00:42:17,835 --> 00:42:20,838 I do think, it's not you, man, maybe it's not even that you put it in there, 797 00:42:20,871 --> 00:42:24,842 maybe it's that these guys did when they shot this footage. 798 00:42:24,875 --> 00:42:26,677 This is a little crazy, though. 799 00:42:28,779 --> 00:42:30,247 What the fuck, shut the fuck up! 800 00:42:30,281 --> 00:42:33,350 -What? -[Morse code] 801 00:42:33,384 --> 00:42:37,288 What does it translate to? Say it out, say it out loud, please! 802 00:42:37,321 --> 00:42:39,890 -It says Blink. -Alright, can you guys do me 803 00:42:39,924 --> 00:42:41,692 a favor? Can you look at the camera? 804 00:42:41,725 --> 00:42:43,627 I believe that you've done a good job of... 805 00:42:43,661 --> 00:42:46,063 Can you look at the camera? I need you to authenticate this. 806 00:42:46,096 --> 00:42:48,132 -I need your help. -Authenticate it? 807 00:42:48,165 --> 00:42:50,701 Just stare in the camera and 808 00:42:50,734 --> 00:42:53,304 say what you just found for them. 809 00:42:53,337 --> 00:42:56,974 I think it's completely faked. 810 00:42:57,007 --> 00:42:58,909 [laughs] 811 00:42:58,943 --> 00:43:00,644 Whoever shot the footage, 812 00:43:00,678 --> 00:43:02,913 these people that supposedly aren't around anymore, 813 00:43:02,947 --> 00:43:05,316 they clearly put this sound in there. 814 00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:09,219 OK, so maybe they did it, to so whoever... 815 00:43:09,253 --> 00:43:12,289 So if the guy gives the tape... whoever finds the footage 816 00:43:12,323 --> 00:43:14,658 and then uncovers this Morse code 817 00:43:14,692 --> 00:43:17,761 or this specific sound that happens every time. 818 00:43:17,795 --> 00:43:20,164 That's a lot of work, they would have had to shot the footage, 819 00:43:20,197 --> 00:43:22,733 offload it, edit it and put it back on DV tapes. 820 00:43:22,766 --> 00:43:24,335 Yeah, OK, well... 821 00:43:24,368 --> 00:43:26,904 -And then, and then... -He could have done that too. 822 00:43:26,937 --> 00:43:30,007 We don't know, man, we don't know where these tapes were before they came here. 823 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:31,809 He's coming here and he tells us a story, 824 00:43:31,842 --> 00:43:33,844 then we either believe or we don't believe. 825 00:43:33,877 --> 00:43:35,312 [mystery noise] 826 00:43:37,781 --> 00:43:39,750 Blink test, take one. 827 00:43:44,922 --> 00:43:46,357 Blink test, take two. 828 00:43:48,359 --> 00:43:50,160 Blink test, take three. 829 00:43:52,396 --> 00:43:54,832 Blink test, take seven. 830 00:43:54,865 --> 00:43:56,867 Blink test, take 13. 831 00:43:56,900 --> 00:43:57,968 Blink test, take 19. 832 00:43:58,002 --> 00:43:59,303 Blink test, take 25. 833 00:43:59,336 --> 00:44:01,305 Blink test, take 32. 834 00:44:01,338 --> 00:44:03,007 Blink test, take 40. 835 00:44:04,008 --> 00:44:06,377 [digital noise] 836 00:44:06,410 --> 00:44:10,247 I do not believe that this video is authentic. 837 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,151 One thing that's really suspicious to me is that it always appears 838 00:44:14,184 --> 00:44:18,822 and disappears, like either off-screen or behind something. 839 00:44:20,891 --> 00:44:22,960 The one where the car goes past 840 00:44:22,993 --> 00:44:26,063 like that's just like another really common trick 841 00:44:26,096 --> 00:44:29,400 to use to make a ghost disappear if you're hoaxing a video. 842 00:44:29,433 --> 00:44:31,468 I guess here's two points about the blink test 843 00:44:31,502 --> 00:44:33,037 that seemed very suspicious. 844 00:44:33,070 --> 00:44:34,505 One is that 845 00:44:34,538 --> 00:44:36,273 Feldman steps in front of the camera 846 00:44:36,306 --> 00:44:38,075 every time he turned it on. 847 00:44:38,108 --> 00:44:39,977 The record button's on the back of the camera 848 00:44:40,010 --> 00:44:41,979 and it just seems like a convenient way 849 00:44:42,012 --> 00:44:43,881 to reveal the figure. 850 00:44:43,914 --> 00:44:45,149 Like they... 851 00:44:45,182 --> 00:44:46,817 I know making it black and white 852 00:44:46,850 --> 00:44:49,153 is a film student's stylistic choice, 853 00:44:49,186 --> 00:44:51,755 but it certainly makes it easier 854 00:44:51,789 --> 00:44:55,092 to hide effects and hide manipulation. 855 00:44:56,460 --> 00:44:58,996 -[Gavin] Let's talk about metadata. -OK. 856 00:44:59,029 --> 00:45:03,901 Alright, the metadata. There are timestamps that show the progression of events. 857 00:45:03,934 --> 00:45:05,335 You can fake that. 858 00:45:05,369 --> 00:45:07,771 You're accusing me of faking this whole thing. 859 00:45:07,805 --> 00:45:10,874 Look, I don't know you, I'm not gonna say that... 860 00:45:10,908 --> 00:45:13,444 No, but you'll take my money, you'll take my money, though. 861 00:45:13,477 --> 00:45:16,780 For my opinion, which I'm giving you. 862 00:45:16,814 --> 00:45:21,919 [Gavin] But we got the ghost group which isn't too bad, 863 00:45:21,952 --> 00:45:25,189 [Erik] It seems like they were sort of your last resort. 864 00:45:25,222 --> 00:45:26,790 [sighs] 865 00:45:26,824 --> 00:45:27,925 They were, 866 00:45:27,958 --> 00:45:29,460 but they have a lot of reach 867 00:45:29,493 --> 00:45:31,295 and if they believe in orbs... 868 00:45:32,496 --> 00:45:37,334 I mean, this is certainly a lot bigger, more real than orbs. 869 00:45:37,367 --> 00:45:39,970 And there you have it, folks, 870 00:45:40,003 --> 00:45:45,209 the footage, the found footage I've assembled for you today. 871 00:45:45,242 --> 00:45:48,812 With your help, we can figure out the mystery, together, 872 00:45:48,846 --> 00:45:51,849 and that's why it's very, very crucial 873 00:45:53,584 --> 00:45:56,153 you know, that you follow me on this quest. 874 00:45:56,186 --> 00:45:57,521 Any questions? 875 00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,196 No questions! Can I count on your support? Yes, ma'am. 876 00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:09,133 You don't know that they didn't have somebody to do this, 877 00:46:09,166 --> 00:46:12,035 you don't know if any of this is real, you don't know what they do... 878 00:46:12,069 --> 00:46:14,438 You're right, ma'am, and that's why we're here this evening, 879 00:46:14,471 --> 00:46:16,106 because if I knew if it was real, 880 00:46:16,140 --> 00:46:17,341 then I wouldn't need you, folks. 881 00:46:17,374 --> 00:46:18,509 If he's at the end of the tunnel 882 00:46:18,542 --> 00:46:20,177 and those are railroad ties, 883 00:46:20,210 --> 00:46:21,845 he'd have to be about six feet wide. 884 00:46:21,879 --> 00:46:22,980 Six feet wide. 885 00:46:23,013 --> 00:46:24,581 There's nobody in that video 886 00:46:24,615 --> 00:46:27,050 that you could find in public records to speak with? 887 00:46:27,084 --> 00:46:28,919 I did find this Matt Lake, 888 00:46:28,952 --> 00:46:31,421 he's an author of a book called Weird Maryland, 889 00:46:31,455 --> 00:46:34,124 which you can pick up if you want to, I mean I don't recommend it. 890 00:46:34,158 --> 00:46:37,394 I find it very hard to believe that people who come up in front of your group 891 00:46:37,427 --> 00:46:39,229 constantly get grilled like this, 892 00:46:39,263 --> 00:46:42,366 it seems to me that everybody be in, everybody be into it. 893 00:46:42,399 --> 00:46:44,134 I'd say this would be enough to warrant 894 00:46:44,168 --> 00:46:47,237 an investigation and a recreation of the experiment. 895 00:46:47,271 --> 00:46:53,544 Paranormal groups need more than just a piece of visual evidence 896 00:46:53,577 --> 00:46:57,014 to be able to methodologically 897 00:46:57,047 --> 00:46:59,149 quantify and qualify an event. 898 00:46:59,183 --> 00:47:00,951 We would need audio, we would need... 899 00:47:00,984 --> 00:47:04,588 Sir, sir, all the fancy words aside, I get what you're saying. 900 00:47:04,621 --> 00:47:07,424 All I'm asking you to do, is either believe it or you don't 901 00:47:07,457 --> 00:47:09,193 and you want to go investigate it or you don't. 902 00:47:09,226 --> 00:47:11,528 I'd like to know what kind of medications that you take? 903 00:47:11,562 --> 00:47:13,597 I, ma'am, I think that that's extremely rude 904 00:47:13,630 --> 00:47:16,066 and I don't think that has any bearing on that. 905 00:47:16,099 --> 00:47:19,336 I'd like to ask you what medications you're on to ask such questions? 906 00:47:19,369 --> 00:47:21,371 When you get a film on Bloody Mary, 907 00:47:21,405 --> 00:47:23,540 maybe we'll think about it, 908 00:47:23,574 --> 00:47:26,443 but this is a crock and we want nothing to do with it. 909 00:47:26,476 --> 00:47:31,448 And that's inspired ghost tracking. Now, we're not going out to investigate with you. 910 00:47:31,481 --> 00:47:36,253 I'm pretty sure that inspired ghost tracking... 911 00:47:36,286 --> 00:47:39,189 This is not gonna be the last time that you hear about me. 912 00:47:39,223 --> 00:47:40,324 Is this the exit door? 913 00:47:41,558 --> 00:47:45,229 No orbs out there, but thank you very much, I appreciate it. 914 00:47:45,262 --> 00:47:52,035 I'm sure that you'll be hearing from me in the future and yeah... 915 00:47:52,069 --> 00:47:53,370 [ironic applause] 916 00:48:03,113 --> 00:48:04,414 Turn off the camera, please! 917 00:48:06,516 --> 00:48:08,619 I don't want to deal with it right now. 918 00:48:10,153 --> 00:48:12,222 And there he fucking is. 919 00:48:12,256 --> 00:48:14,625 Now, our problem is that any time that we moved the camera, 920 00:48:14,658 --> 00:48:17,527 whether we were just moving the camera or we were in a car or walking, 921 00:48:17,561 --> 00:48:19,496 he was able to flip in and out of the screen, so, 922 00:48:19,529 --> 00:48:21,098 we couldn't keep track of him, 923 00:48:21,131 --> 00:48:23,100 but if I leave the camera where it is, 924 00:48:23,133 --> 00:48:25,502 then he's stuck and I got it where I fucking want him! 925 00:48:25,535 --> 00:48:28,639 Now, what we really need to get right now, is we need to get the ending. 926 00:48:29,773 --> 00:48:32,476 Now, the most logical thing for me to think of is, you know, 927 00:48:32,509 --> 00:48:34,611 it's the closeups as a grand reveal. 928 00:48:36,513 --> 00:48:38,515 Why are you filming me with the Handycam? 929 00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,489 You're afraid of my camera. 930 00:48:46,423 --> 00:48:49,526 Well, that figures, I mean directors, you always had this vision and you think 931 00:48:49,559 --> 00:48:53,330 what you want to do with it, but behind the camera, you have no fucking idea! 932 00:48:54,331 --> 00:48:57,634 He keeps on getting closer and that's where he needs to stay. 933 00:49:00,570 --> 00:49:03,674 He's on my camera! 934 00:49:05,042 --> 00:49:07,311 [pager ringtone] 935 00:49:09,813 --> 00:49:12,149 Oh, shit! 936 00:49:12,182 --> 00:49:13,583 Oh, shit! 937 00:49:16,420 --> 00:49:18,055 Hey, well, look... 938 00:49:19,723 --> 00:49:23,393 [Sophia] What are you up to with all these journals here? 939 00:49:26,830 --> 00:49:28,065 Wait a minute. 940 00:49:31,735 --> 00:49:35,072 [whispering] That's some kind of [inaudible] 941 00:49:36,406 --> 00:49:38,742 [electronic noise in the background] 942 00:49:46,183 --> 00:49:50,420 OK, Butterfly Kisses, video diary, whatever, right. 943 00:49:51,388 --> 00:49:54,725 So, I don't really want to accuse Feldman of doing anything 944 00:49:54,758 --> 00:49:57,127 and I'm not even saying that he's lying, OK? 945 00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:58,729 I really do respect him. 946 00:49:58,762 --> 00:50:01,465 But after reading his diary a little while ago, 947 00:50:01,498 --> 00:50:04,267 and him having the diagrams of everything, 948 00:50:04,301 --> 00:50:06,803 I just want to record this for posterity and just 949 00:50:06,837 --> 00:50:12,509 make sure that everyone knows that I have my doubts about this entire project, OK? 950 00:50:12,542 --> 00:50:14,778 Right now, I have doubts about everything. 951 00:50:14,811 --> 00:50:17,080 Honestly, what could be worse? 952 00:50:17,114 --> 00:50:19,449 Knowing that Peeping Tom could come and get me at any moment 953 00:50:19,483 --> 00:50:22,219 or just being humiliated by the entire thing, 954 00:50:22,252 --> 00:50:25,389 knowing that Feldman can show this at the student film festival 955 00:50:25,422 --> 00:50:27,758 and I look like a fucking ass! 956 00:50:27,791 --> 00:50:30,861 I'm just gonna have to roll with it and hope the fella isn't fucking with me, 957 00:50:30,894 --> 00:50:33,397 like I'm really, really starting to believe. 958 00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:35,465 [music intensifies] 959 00:50:38,135 --> 00:50:39,569 [mystery music] 960 00:50:44,241 --> 00:50:48,612 [Erik] First off, you gave us the footage and we wanted to see 961 00:50:48,645 --> 00:50:50,547 all of those things that you cut out. 962 00:50:52,482 --> 00:50:55,819 Can you please tell us, can you tell us what Portraits of Dead Friends was? 963 00:50:58,789 --> 00:51:03,794 We actually ended up winning our student film festival, Best Feature Award for it. 964 00:51:03,827 --> 00:51:07,531 [David] The same two filmmakers, Sophia and Feldman, made a movie 965 00:51:07,564 --> 00:51:10,267 called Portraits of Dead Friends in which they wanted to make 966 00:51:10,300 --> 00:51:12,135 a film about people who were deceased, 967 00:51:12,169 --> 00:51:14,271 but they didn't want to do the usual kind of, you know: 968 00:51:14,304 --> 00:51:17,407 "He was a wonderful person and he was born in such and such place." 969 00:51:17,441 --> 00:51:23,146 So instead, they went to the photograph that appeared with the person's obituary. 970 00:51:24,247 --> 00:51:27,250 Well, A. That has nothing to do with Peeping Tom. 971 00:51:27,284 --> 00:51:29,553 [Erik] It has everything to do with Peeping Tom! 972 00:51:29,586 --> 00:51:32,289 [laughing] I didn't want you to bring that on, oh my gosh! 973 00:51:32,322 --> 00:51:34,291 [Feldman] I'm glad you laughed at it. 974 00:51:34,324 --> 00:51:36,793 -I mean, I'm not good about it. -You seem pretty OK with it. 975 00:51:36,827 --> 00:51:39,796 Ok, look, the girl's sister didn't want to talk about her. 976 00:51:39,830 --> 00:51:45,769 It was a really good story, so we got a freaking actor in there, big deal. 977 00:51:45,802 --> 00:51:47,604 [Erik] As documentary filmmakers, 978 00:51:47,637 --> 00:51:49,606 they were willing to have an actor 979 00:51:49,639 --> 00:51:51,575 play a person and accept award for it. 980 00:51:51,608 --> 00:51:53,176 Sure. 981 00:51:53,210 --> 00:51:55,245 Do you think Portraits was enough... 982 00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,883 -without that story? -[Sophia] What do you mean "Do you think 983 00:51:59,916 --> 00:52:01,685 Portraits was enough without that story"? 984 00:52:01,718 --> 00:52:03,720 There's five stories, what story? 985 00:52:03,753 --> 00:52:05,622 You know what story I'm talking about. 986 00:52:06,923 --> 00:52:08,258 Diana's? 987 00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:14,331 The one that we, you know... 988 00:52:14,364 --> 00:52:17,601 [Steve] I'm not sure about Feldman, he's got a bit of an attitude, 989 00:52:17,634 --> 00:52:20,904 because he wants to be the director, he wants to be the top dog. 990 00:52:20,937 --> 00:52:24,641 Maybe there was some resentment going on there. 991 00:52:24,674 --> 00:52:28,345 [Erik] I found a clip where Feldman 992 00:52:28,378 --> 00:52:33,283 is saying that he did not win an award, that it was just Sophia. 993 00:52:33,316 --> 00:52:36,653 [Sophia] What did you do with your award? 994 00:52:36,686 --> 00:52:38,355 [Feldman] I didn't get one. 995 00:52:38,388 --> 00:52:41,358 Wait, what do you mean, you didn't get one? 996 00:52:41,391 --> 00:52:47,998 I mean, Dr. Wolfe only gave it to you, and it only has your name on it! 997 00:52:48,031 --> 00:52:49,966 Are you serious? 998 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:54,638 Feldman turns out to have his own mildly unscrupulous streak, 999 00:52:54,671 --> 00:52:56,806 because he starts to suggest, 1000 00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,509 there are things we could do 1001 00:52:59,543 --> 00:53:02,679 if we don't get the image that we're hoping to get. 1002 00:53:04,814 --> 00:53:06,883 There's other things. 1003 00:53:06,917 --> 00:53:09,719 [Sophia] Like what, like visual effects, kind of thing? 1004 00:53:12,622 --> 00:53:14,491 Something like that. 1005 00:53:14,524 --> 00:53:18,295 So we have then at least three possibilities here. 1006 00:53:18,328 --> 00:53:20,830 We have the possibility that this whole thing is real, 1007 00:53:20,864 --> 00:53:22,799 that they caught the image of Peeping Tom. 1008 00:53:22,832 --> 00:53:25,702 We have the possibility of two of them got together, 1009 00:53:25,735 --> 00:53:30,674 to put together this largely plausible hoax 1010 00:53:30,707 --> 00:53:34,978 and we have the possibility that one of them put together a hoax on the other one. 1011 00:53:35,011 --> 00:53:38,415 At least those three possibilities. 1012 00:53:38,448 --> 00:53:40,617 I need to say... 1013 00:53:40,650 --> 00:53:46,423 I guess my initial prejudice was the slacker who was kind of quiet in the background, 1014 00:53:46,456 --> 00:53:50,694 was the X-factor, yeah, he was the instigator of the fiction 1015 00:53:50,727 --> 00:53:52,996 Butterfly Kisses, video diary one. 1016 00:53:53,029 --> 00:54:00,704 On reflection, it seems much more to me as though Sophia, she maybe crossed the line. 1017 00:54:00,737 --> 00:54:05,408 You know, when you've invested a lot of time in a story and the deadline's coming up, 1018 00:54:05,442 --> 00:54:08,812 the temptation is, yeah, how do I make this a good story? 1019 00:54:08,845 --> 00:54:15,452 Unfortunately I can't prove that Peeping Tom wasn't anything more than just an actor and a hat. 1020 00:54:15,485 --> 00:54:18,888 Which is kind of sucks, because I don't know what I'm gonna do from here. 1021 00:54:20,991 --> 00:54:22,993 I guess, I'm just gonna need a new angle. 1022 00:54:23,026 --> 00:54:25,829 [Matt] And then, everything from that that point onwards 1023 00:54:25,862 --> 00:54:29,899 was a collaboration in this fiction. 1024 00:54:33,937 --> 00:54:35,672 It wasn't relevant to the story. 1025 00:54:37,607 --> 00:54:39,643 [Erik] What about the scene where they're standing in the old Ilchester Tunnel, 1026 00:54:39,676 --> 00:54:43,780 and Feldman is saying if this doesn't work with the camera looking through the tunnel, 1027 00:54:45,148 --> 00:54:47,617 w could do a special effect. 1028 00:54:47,651 --> 00:54:51,788 I mean that's, I think that's desperate times and spitballing, 1029 00:54:51,821 --> 00:54:53,857 you know, it's just talk, it's all loose talk. 1030 00:54:53,890 --> 00:54:55,892 When someone wants, you know, 1031 00:54:55,925 --> 00:54:57,627 just to speak their truth and to bring it out 1032 00:54:57,661 --> 00:55:00,030 to other people and to kind of have that position 1033 00:55:00,063 --> 00:55:03,466 of leadership and fame and everything else, 1034 00:55:03,500 --> 00:55:07,904 they will cherry-pick certain things that support what they're doing. 1035 00:55:07,937 --> 00:55:11,675 Your brain is not consciously cherry-picking, 1036 00:55:11,708 --> 00:55:13,810 it is more of an unconscious thing. 1037 00:55:13,843 --> 00:55:16,713 So, it's very easy for someone, 1038 00:55:16,746 --> 00:55:18,915 as they're starting to get in 1039 00:55:18,948 --> 00:55:24,854 to, you know, kind of an obsessive behavior or a delusion is starting to be created 1040 00:55:24,888 --> 00:55:29,926 where the look at a piece of evidence and the things that highlight for them, 1041 00:55:29,959 --> 00:55:34,397 they zoom and sink into the brain immediately and then the things that don't, 1042 00:55:34,431 --> 00:55:36,800 the brain automatically kind of just 1043 00:55:36,833 --> 00:55:39,436 sections them off like they don't even exist. 1044 00:55:39,469 --> 00:55:44,874 Gavin York's decision to take that material out 1045 00:55:46,042 --> 00:55:49,846 suggests a manipulative, 1046 00:55:49,879 --> 00:55:53,116 a very strong manipulative intent on his part. 1047 00:55:53,149 --> 00:55:56,119 If you're working with all these elements, you can, 1048 00:55:56,152 --> 00:55:58,588 journalistically speaking, you can construct the... 1049 00:55:58,621 --> 00:56:03,126 You run the story out of whatever footage you choose to put in there. 1050 00:56:03,159 --> 00:56:05,562 [Steve] If he took these scenes out, 1051 00:56:05,595 --> 00:56:10,166 then he had a particular reason for doing it. 1052 00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,436 Why he's allowing you to put them back in 1053 00:56:13,470 --> 00:56:17,006 or to utilize them in some way, It's interesting. 1054 00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,042 I mean, there's, there's... Pardon? 1055 00:56:19,075 --> 00:56:21,911 -[Erik] He signed a release. -Yeah. 1056 00:56:21,945 --> 00:56:23,613 He authorized the use of the footage 1057 00:56:23,646 --> 00:56:24,681 in this documentary. 1058 00:56:25,915 --> 00:56:27,117 [Erik] There, there are people who suggested that 1059 00:56:27,150 --> 00:56:29,919 perhaps Gavin shot this himself. 1060 00:56:29,953 --> 00:56:31,755 Do you feel that's... 1061 00:56:31,788 --> 00:56:34,591 I don't think that's true. 1062 00:56:34,624 --> 00:56:38,495 Simply because, when would he have done it? 1063 00:56:38,528 --> 00:56:41,998 I mean, my mom found the tapes in the basement, so... 1064 00:56:42,031 --> 00:56:45,468 [Erik] Why do you own a Panasonic DVX100? 1065 00:56:48,505 --> 00:56:54,477 -That's the camera that Feldman filmed the documentary on. -OK. 1066 00:56:54,511 --> 00:56:56,913 They say he goes away on a lot of trips. 1067 00:56:56,946 --> 00:56:59,516 Yeah, he goes where the weddings are. 1068 00:57:00,717 --> 00:57:03,620 Does the money all match up? 1069 00:57:03,653 --> 00:57:04,988 Usually! 1070 00:57:09,759 --> 00:57:10,860 [digital noise] 1071 00:57:10,894 --> 00:57:12,595 Stop! 1072 00:57:14,063 --> 00:57:17,734 [noise intensifies and interferes with his words] 1073 00:57:17,767 --> 00:57:19,135 I want the tapes! 1074 00:57:28,945 --> 00:57:30,847 [digital noise in the background] 1075 00:57:35,185 --> 00:57:37,554 What happened to your face? 1076 00:57:37,587 --> 00:57:40,890 -It itched. -Are you on something? 1077 00:57:42,225 --> 00:57:46,896 No, I thought the lashes would tick over the itch. 1078 00:57:46,930 --> 00:57:48,865 And the camera, 1079 00:57:50,099 --> 00:57:52,135 I locked it in the basement. 1080 00:57:52,168 --> 00:57:54,103 I threw away the battery! 1081 00:57:55,104 --> 00:57:57,207 And when I woke up from sleeping, it was back. 1082 00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:02,011 It was taping me, he was taping me. 1083 00:58:02,045 --> 00:58:05,648 Do you think it was me that pressed record for this? 1084 00:58:05,682 --> 00:58:11,721 No, he knew you were coming, that's how I knew you were coming. 1085 00:58:11,754 --> 00:58:16,059 I'm gonna get the ending that he aimed for before he does, 1086 00:58:16,092 --> 00:58:19,128 but then it's all on you, you got the tapes. 1087 00:58:19,162 --> 00:58:23,967 But I'm gonna get all the footage, you finish this movie like you said you would! 1088 00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:25,535 Remember? 1089 00:58:26,236 --> 00:58:28,238 And then he's coming after you. 1090 00:58:29,806 --> 00:58:30,874 You're next. 1091 00:58:30,907 --> 00:58:33,009 [footsteps moving away] 1092 00:58:34,010 --> 00:58:36,012 But you'll win another award! 1093 00:58:41,017 --> 00:58:42,151 [violent noise] 1094 00:58:45,889 --> 00:58:50,193 This is my new delivery system 1095 00:58:50,226 --> 00:58:54,063 www.butterflykissesmovie.com. 1096 00:58:54,097 --> 00:58:58,301 -[over the phone] Hello! -Hi there, I'm looking for Miss Joanne Tillman? 1097 00:58:59,936 --> 00:59:02,739 She's not available right now, may I take a message? 1098 00:59:02,772 --> 00:59:04,874 Yeah, this is Gavin York calling, 1099 00:59:04,908 --> 00:59:09,913 this is actually the seventh time that I've called in the past three days. 1100 00:59:09,946 --> 00:59:13,616 On Friday, when the timer runs down, 1101 00:59:13,650 --> 00:59:15,852 from midnight to 1 a.m., 1102 00:59:15,885 --> 00:59:20,390 viewers around the world will be able to watch footage, 1103 00:59:20,423 --> 00:59:22,058 the found footage, 1104 00:59:22,091 --> 00:59:25,728 and be able to make their own assessment of it. 1105 00:59:25,762 --> 00:59:27,630 We're gonna get it out on the world, so... 1106 00:59:27,664 --> 00:59:29,933 [Erik] What's gonna happen after the 24 hours? 1107 00:59:29,966 --> 00:59:34,103 The website's gonna be shut down, you're not gonna be able to see it anymore. 1108 00:59:34,137 --> 00:59:35,705 [Erik] What do you expect to happen then? 1109 00:59:35,738 --> 00:59:39,142 The phone does never stop ringing after that. 1110 00:59:39,175 --> 00:59:40,910 [Erik] So you'll sell it to the highest bidder? 1111 00:59:40,944 --> 00:59:46,115 Or one, just, you know, moderate. One, so yeah, yeah. 1112 00:59:46,149 --> 00:59:47,750 I'm not trying to be a jerk, 1113 00:59:47,784 --> 00:59:49,786 I just want to find out how I can speak with 1114 00:59:49,819 --> 00:59:52,689 Miss Tillman and give her some information about 1115 00:59:52,722 --> 00:59:56,359 a local community event that I've got going on on Friday. 1116 00:59:56,392 --> 00:59:58,328 [beat music in the background] 1117 00:59:58,361 --> 00:59:59,629 Hello... 1118 01:00:03,766 --> 01:00:06,202 Hello! 1119 01:00:06,235 --> 01:00:08,905 [Erik] How many, how many newspapers in... 1120 01:00:08,938 --> 01:00:09,973 All of them. 1121 01:00:10,907 --> 01:00:12,942 -[Erik] Already all? -All of them. 1122 01:00:12,976 --> 01:00:14,210 And you see how it is? 1123 01:00:14,243 --> 01:00:15,778 You heard it for yourself, 1124 01:00:15,812 --> 01:00:18,314 they don't give a shit! Hang up, hang up! 1125 01:00:18,348 --> 01:00:20,249 I mean, unless you... 1126 01:00:21,851 --> 01:00:23,419 Do you know somebody? 1127 01:00:23,453 --> 01:00:25,722 [Erik] You know, we can't get involved. 1128 01:00:26,489 --> 01:00:28,358 We have to stay on this side of the camera. 1129 01:00:28,391 --> 01:00:30,927 Stay on that side of the camera if you want to, man. 1130 01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:36,699 I mean, I don't know why you guys want to sit here and film me, and not get involved, 1131 01:00:36,733 --> 01:00:39,836 because you're just wasting your time too. 1132 01:00:39,869 --> 01:00:43,406 There's no ending to this movie whatsoever. 1133 01:00:43,439 --> 01:00:45,375 You get an awesome ending for your movie, 1134 01:00:45,408 --> 01:00:47,477 I get an awesome ending for my movie. 1135 01:00:47,510 --> 01:00:51,881 Nobody's lying, nobody's saying anything fake, alright? 1136 01:00:52,882 --> 01:00:57,286 All I'm asking for is one telephone number and a name. 1137 01:00:58,521 --> 01:01:02,925 And that we can go, and we can speak to that person and we can put this whole story out there. 1138 01:01:02,959 --> 01:01:04,227 I don't think... 1139 01:01:06,162 --> 01:01:07,397 it's cheating 1140 01:01:08,431 --> 01:01:10,700 if it's for the great reward. 1141 01:01:11,467 --> 01:01:14,037 [Mike] It's DC 101, I'm Mike Jones and 1142 01:01:14,070 --> 01:01:15,805 in studio today I've been talking about 1143 01:01:15,838 --> 01:01:18,207 this found footage all week, Butterfly Kisses. 1144 01:01:18,241 --> 01:01:20,510 Gavin York, the guy that discovered this footage, 1145 01:01:20,543 --> 01:01:22,745 and you could see it for yourself, if you haven't yet, 1146 01:01:22,779 --> 01:01:25,415 until midnight tonight at butterflykissesmovie.com. 1147 01:01:25,448 --> 01:01:27,083 Gavin York, how you doing, brother? 1148 01:01:27,116 --> 01:01:28,284 I'm doing great, thanks for... 1149 01:01:28,317 --> 01:01:29,886 I just don't understand the deal 1150 01:01:29,919 --> 01:01:31,421 with this guy, man, 1151 01:01:31,454 --> 01:01:34,357 why are you filming him, what's in it for you with this? 1152 01:01:34,390 --> 01:01:36,426 [Erik] It's supposed to be 1153 01:01:36,459 --> 01:01:40,096 a really fantastic, fascinated character study. And then it is! 1154 01:01:40,129 --> 01:01:41,964 Nobody wants to come to... 1155 01:01:41,998 --> 01:01:44,300 Because this has been done a thousand times before. 1156 01:01:44,333 --> 01:01:45,868 And we think it's a scam. 1157 01:01:45,902 --> 01:01:47,870 I'm not the only one, it's everyone! 1158 01:01:47,904 --> 01:01:49,906 [Erik] I know, but that's the problem that I've got right now, 1159 01:01:49,939 --> 01:01:51,941 I've got hours and hours of footage that we've shot, 1160 01:01:51,974 --> 01:01:54,077 but we don't have an ending to this documentary. 1161 01:01:54,110 --> 01:01:56,345 [whispering] 1162 01:01:58,347 --> 01:02:01,417 And you give me this opportunity to... 1163 01:02:01,451 --> 01:02:05,321 -This is the... -This is amazing! 1164 01:02:05,354 --> 01:02:07,490 [distant chatter] 1165 01:02:08,424 --> 01:02:10,393 It's alright, I got your back. 1166 01:02:10,426 --> 01:02:15,198 -Just don't [inaudible]... -Alright. 1167 01:02:15,231 --> 01:02:19,135 [Mike on speaker] Alright, well, we'll see what the people have to say, it's 8669 1 DC 101. 1168 01:02:19,168 --> 01:02:20,837 Hi, DC 101! 1169 01:02:20,870 --> 01:02:22,839 [caller] Yeah, you actually think there's 1170 01:02:22,872 --> 01:02:25,508 anyone stupid enough to fall for that? 1171 01:02:26,843 --> 01:02:30,179 [caller] The video quality sucks, it's all fake. 1172 01:02:30,213 --> 01:02:32,281 Gavin, do you have anything to say? 1173 01:02:32,315 --> 01:02:36,185 Well, I mean, this would be something in 2004 to address with them! 1174 01:02:36,219 --> 01:02:39,589 [caller chuckles] No man, you totally didn't do this in 2004, you did this just now. 1175 01:02:39,622 --> 01:02:42,825 I didn't do anything in 2004, I just assembled it now. 1176 01:02:42,859 --> 01:02:44,360 I'm not trying to profit off anything. 1177 01:02:44,393 --> 01:02:46,095 [Mike] Have you looked for them? 1178 01:02:46,129 --> 01:02:47,296 [caller] Take it to the police... 1179 01:02:47,330 --> 01:02:49,031 [voices overlapping] 1180 01:02:49,065 --> 01:02:50,900 [caller] ...just check it out, that's bogus. 1181 01:02:50,933 --> 01:02:53,169 Gavin, skepticism is just everywhere. 1182 01:02:53,202 --> 01:02:56,072 -Yes, a lot of hatred out there. -A little bit, a little bit. 1183 01:02:56,105 --> 01:02:58,508 [caller] Hang it up and find something else that you might be good at. 1184 01:02:58,541 --> 01:03:02,111 [caller] Change yourself, because you're trying to profit off of somebody's death. 1185 01:03:02,145 --> 01:03:05,081 [caller] You think that people are gonna fall for this [inaudible]. 1186 01:03:05,114 --> 01:03:07,083 [caller] Showing a hoax it's... 1187 01:03:07,116 --> 01:03:09,585 [caller] The second I spent watching that piece of... 1188 01:03:09,619 --> 01:03:11,320 [caller] You seem like a stoner... 1189 01:03:11,354 --> 01:03:12,989 [caller] ...whichever project... 1190 01:03:13,022 --> 01:03:14,991 [caller] ...wrong about this, cursed.... 1191 01:03:15,024 --> 01:03:16,225 [caller] ...not real. 1192 01:03:16,259 --> 01:03:20,997 [voices overlapping] 1193 01:03:21,030 --> 01:03:22,632 Hello, DC 101, who's this? 1194 01:03:22,665 --> 01:03:23,866 [caller] Stanley. 1195 01:03:23,900 --> 01:03:25,401 Stan, what you gotta say to Gavin? 1196 01:03:25,434 --> 01:03:28,938 -[imitates voice] -[Mike laughs] 1197 01:03:30,573 --> 01:03:32,041 Alright, I'll tell you what. 1198 01:03:32,074 --> 01:03:33,242 I'll give him five minutes 1199 01:03:33,276 --> 01:03:34,410 and I think I've got a guy, 1200 01:03:34,443 --> 01:03:36,279 we can get my producer to call. 1201 01:03:36,312 --> 01:03:38,381 It'll be good. See what happens. 1202 01:03:38,414 --> 01:03:40,449 [Erik] Good for him or? 1203 01:03:40,483 --> 01:03:43,119 It'll be good for us. 1204 01:03:44,287 --> 01:03:47,623 [Mike] Gavin, listen, I know people have been blasting you. 1205 01:03:47,657 --> 01:03:49,158 I want to... 1206 01:03:49,192 --> 01:03:51,394 This is the call that we've been waiting for, 1207 01:03:51,427 --> 01:03:53,529 let me bring him on here. 1208 01:03:53,563 --> 01:03:55,998 -Hello, caller! -[caller] Yes. 1209 01:03:56,032 --> 01:03:57,567 Hi, let me introduce you. 1210 01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:01,337 Gavin, this is Ed Sanchez, the king of the found footage, 1211 01:04:01,370 --> 01:04:03,406 the director of the Blair Witch Project 1212 01:04:03,439 --> 01:04:06,342 who is calling to talk about your movie Butterfly Kisses ! 1213 01:04:06,375 --> 01:04:07,944 Ed, how you doing, brother? 1214 01:04:07,977 --> 01:04:09,445 [Ed] I'm doing well, man how's it going? 1215 01:04:09,478 --> 01:04:11,581 -Good. -Good afternoon! Big, big fan! 1216 01:04:11,614 --> 01:04:13,449 [Ed] I've seen the footage. 1217 01:04:13,482 --> 01:04:18,054 You know, it doesn't look completely genuine to me. 1218 01:04:18,087 --> 01:04:22,191 You know, I think there's some acting involved, there's some effects involved, 1219 01:04:22,225 --> 01:04:25,494 and I think that it's kind of disturbing that he feels that 1220 01:04:25,528 --> 01:04:29,332 the only way to market this footage is to pretend it's real. 1221 01:04:29,365 --> 01:04:33,636 So, you know, I just kind of had to speak out about it, you know? 1222 01:04:33,669 --> 01:04:35,638 [Ed on radio] I understand where Gavin's coming from, 1223 01:04:35,671 --> 01:04:38,241 but, you know, he's trying to, you know, 1224 01:04:38,274 --> 01:04:40,643 get in the business, he's trying to make this film, 1225 01:04:40,676 --> 01:04:43,212 but it's just been done before, it's a... 1226 01:04:43,246 --> 01:04:46,082 Did you do this to start your career in Hollywood? 1227 01:04:46,115 --> 01:04:48,651 Is this your way of maybe kicking that door open? 1228 01:04:48,684 --> 01:04:51,954 I've been a filmmaker since I was about 12 years old. 1229 01:04:51,988 --> 01:04:53,623 Right, that's why everyone's saying 1230 01:04:53,656 --> 01:04:58,027 that this is not footage that is legitimate, 1231 01:04:58,060 --> 01:04:59,629 that you created this on your computer. 1232 01:04:59,662 --> 01:05:01,230 I completely understand that. 1233 01:05:01,264 --> 01:05:02,298 And you've made this your film. 1234 01:05:02,331 --> 01:05:03,699 You're a professional. 1235 01:05:03,733 --> 01:05:05,501 Could you have made this on a computer at home 1236 01:05:05,534 --> 01:05:06,636 with just a few projects? 1237 01:05:06,669 --> 01:05:08,304 At least for me, as a filmmaker, 1238 01:05:08,337 --> 01:05:09,739 you can tell that there's some stuff 1239 01:05:09,772 --> 01:05:13,109 that is obviously, you know, manipulated. 1240 01:05:13,142 --> 01:05:14,977 There's like these moments of... 1241 01:05:15,011 --> 01:05:18,047 Where just the camera happens to be on, to capture a moment. 1242 01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:21,017 That's like a big thing of found footage is like. 1243 01:05:21,050 --> 01:05:25,054 The camera happens to be on while something crazy's happening, 1244 01:05:25,087 --> 01:05:28,257 you know, you just don't have that kind of luck in life, you know. 1245 01:05:28,291 --> 01:05:31,994 The whole legend is that the footage is found in a shoebox 1246 01:05:32,028 --> 01:05:36,399 and the footage carefully shows like oh, here's this shoebox 1247 01:05:36,432 --> 01:05:39,535 that we found it in here, I'll show it in front of the camera, 1248 01:05:39,568 --> 01:05:43,406 which is like something that they're setting up the shoebox, you know. 1249 01:05:43,439 --> 01:05:45,541 To me those are kind of, you know, 1250 01:05:45,574 --> 01:05:48,577 signs that you're setting something up dramatically. 1251 01:05:48,611 --> 01:05:50,546 In a movie you do that, you know. 1252 01:05:50,579 --> 01:05:52,615 [Ed on radio] You know, after the initial buzz of our movie, 1253 01:05:52,648 --> 01:05:54,417 we never pretended that it was real. 1254 01:05:54,450 --> 01:05:56,786 I just have a problem with him thinking that it's for real. 1255 01:05:56,819 --> 01:05:59,322 You know, maybe I think he has a problem. 1256 01:05:59,355 --> 01:06:02,692 [Mike] Ed, what are gonna be the consequences if this does come out 1257 01:06:02,725 --> 01:06:04,694 and it's found out that Gavin made this up? 1258 01:06:04,727 --> 01:06:06,629 [Ed on radio] You're just kind of really 1259 01:06:06,662 --> 01:06:08,631 destroying your reputation with this, 1260 01:06:08,664 --> 01:06:10,433 because eventually somebody's going to come out, 1261 01:06:10,466 --> 01:06:12,735 some proof is gonna come out that this is not real, 1262 01:06:12,768 --> 01:06:17,139 and, you know, people are gonna ask what were you thinking? 1263 01:06:17,173 --> 01:06:20,609 And I'm kind of asking that right now, what is he thinking? 1264 01:06:20,643 --> 01:06:23,612 You know, just fess up, you know what I mean or... 1265 01:06:23,646 --> 01:06:26,182 I'm being about as honest as I can be about this. 1266 01:06:26,215 --> 01:06:28,117 Alright, well, you say so. 1267 01:06:28,150 --> 01:06:31,587 Well, Gavin York, check out the movie butterflykissesmovie.com, 1268 01:06:31,620 --> 01:06:34,490 it's on until midnight tonight, thank you! 1269 01:06:34,523 --> 01:06:36,192 DC 101! 1270 01:06:36,225 --> 01:06:37,793 [radio music] 1271 01:06:43,733 --> 01:06:45,034 Mel? 1272 01:07:21,804 --> 01:07:22,838 Hey! 1273 01:07:23,839 --> 01:07:26,609 [Gavin crying] 1274 01:07:28,911 --> 01:07:30,813 It's alright! 1275 01:07:32,548 --> 01:07:34,216 Her mom set up an account. 1276 01:07:35,251 --> 01:07:37,686 For Carter and 1277 01:07:38,721 --> 01:07:41,157 they were putting money into it. 1278 01:07:42,358 --> 01:07:43,859 [clock ticking] 1279 01:07:46,228 --> 01:07:48,831 And I took all the money and I spent it on the movie. 1280 01:07:51,734 --> 01:07:53,569 [Erik] How did she find out? 1281 01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:02,745 She wanted to go and take out a sum. 1282 01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:19,795 [violent intro sound] 1283 01:08:19,829 --> 01:08:21,597 Authorities report that the strange death 1284 01:08:21,630 --> 01:08:22,898 of a local man leaves more questions 1285 01:08:22,932 --> 01:08:24,600 than answers this morning. 1286 01:08:24,633 --> 01:08:26,335 Friends say that Feldman, 1287 01:08:26,368 --> 01:08:28,537 a film student, had been acting strangely. 1288 01:08:28,571 --> 01:08:30,739 Yeah, he's been making this movie with this... 1289 01:08:30,773 --> 01:08:34,477 [digital noise mixed with reporting] 1290 01:08:34,510 --> 01:08:37,413 [reporter] The body was lying on floor, smashed to pieces. 1291 01:08:37,446 --> 01:08:40,816 Feldman's body had been found in the cabinet, under the kitchen sink. 1292 01:08:40,850 --> 01:08:44,487 -This creature is coming and... -[electronic noise] 1293 01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,690 At this time, authorities await results of an autopsy. 1294 01:08:47,723 --> 01:08:51,227 [TV news generic] 1295 01:08:51,260 --> 01:08:53,896 [crying] 1296 01:08:56,499 --> 01:08:58,868 [car blinkers and traffic noise] 1297 01:09:02,671 --> 01:09:06,675 [Erik] Hopefully we have a record with him this evening and, you know, 1298 01:09:06,709 --> 01:09:10,613 figure out where he's been, if he's giving us a call, obviously we're, 1299 01:09:10,646 --> 01:09:15,351 you know, we're showing up there to shoot, we're just filming this for posterity 1300 01:09:15,384 --> 01:09:17,253 -at this point. -Yeah. 1301 01:09:18,287 --> 01:09:21,323 I don't really think we're gonna use much about this, to be honest. 1302 01:09:21,357 --> 01:09:24,226 Sure, I agree! 1303 01:09:29,431 --> 01:09:31,267 [car passing] 1304 01:09:36,805 --> 01:09:40,576 [crew member] You want me to keep rolling on this so that we have... 1305 01:09:40,609 --> 01:09:42,378 [Erik] Just whatever you do. 1306 01:09:42,411 --> 01:09:44,413 [crew member] I don't have a lot of battery left. 1307 01:09:44,446 --> 01:09:46,248 If you're right about it. Alright! 1308 01:09:47,316 --> 01:09:48,951 [Erik] Gavin! 1309 01:09:51,654 --> 01:09:53,355 Hey, Gavin! 1310 01:09:57,493 --> 01:09:58,894 Gavin! 1311 01:10:01,297 --> 01:10:03,365 [crew member] I'm gonna stop recording for a second. 1312 01:10:03,399 --> 01:10:05,000 [Erik] No, no, just keep it rolling. 1313 01:10:05,034 --> 01:10:06,869 [crew member] No, what are we recording here? 1314 01:10:06,902 --> 01:10:09,004 We're not doing anything, I don't... 1315 01:10:09,038 --> 01:10:11,307 Go talk to him or something, man, this is getting... 1316 01:10:11,340 --> 01:10:13,609 [Erik] I don't even know what to say to him! 1317 01:10:13,642 --> 01:10:16,278 [crew member] I don't know, Erik, you're the director! 1318 01:10:21,617 --> 01:10:22,651 [Erik] Gavin! 1319 01:10:23,986 --> 01:10:26,622 Look, buddy, we can't help you if you don't talk to us. 1320 01:10:27,690 --> 01:10:29,558 [Gavin] It's not... 1321 01:10:29,592 --> 01:10:31,827 Just when he gets closer to you... 1322 01:10:33,596 --> 01:10:35,264 It's when you get closer to him... 1323 01:10:38,467 --> 01:10:40,402 [Erik] Wait, what are you talking about? 1324 01:10:40,436 --> 01:10:42,271 [Gavin] Butterfly kisses! 1325 01:10:43,405 --> 01:10:44,873 [dramatic music] 1326 01:10:44,907 --> 01:10:47,977 [crew member] We need to help this guy, seriously. 1327 01:10:48,010 --> 01:10:52,348 We call, we call his wife! 1328 01:10:53,382 --> 01:10:58,320 We don't have her number. She changed her number. I don't know what her new number is. 1329 01:10:58,354 --> 01:11:02,725 What about his, what about his mom-in-law? Whatever her name was. 1330 01:11:02,758 --> 01:11:04,360 I never had her number. 1331 01:11:04,393 --> 01:11:05,561 It worked through Amelia, 1332 01:11:05,594 --> 01:11:06,862 and the house is sold, 1333 01:11:06,895 --> 01:11:08,631 so I don't even know how to find her. 1334 01:11:10,032 --> 01:11:12,468 I don't know, I mean, I'm not... 1335 01:11:12,501 --> 01:11:15,104 We're supposed to make it a movie about him, 1336 01:11:15,137 --> 01:11:19,742 and I don't know how much, if this is our responsibility, we're not, not his family. 1337 01:11:19,775 --> 01:11:21,710 It is our responsibility now, we've... 1338 01:11:21,744 --> 01:11:22,845 We've taken him this far, 1339 01:11:22,878 --> 01:11:24,346 we've kind of screwed him over 1340 01:11:24,380 --> 01:11:25,648 on a couple things! 1341 01:11:25,681 --> 01:11:26,882 We haven't screwed him over, Kenny! 1342 01:11:26,915 --> 01:11:28,484 But, DC 101 was total set up. 1343 01:11:28,517 --> 01:11:31,086 DC 101 who's not a total set up, he agreed to it. 1344 01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:35,724 He didn't know you were gonna have Ed Sanchez call him. Come on! 1345 01:11:35,758 --> 01:11:38,360 I did not put him on the air to fail, 1346 01:11:38,394 --> 01:11:39,995 we gave him that option. 1347 01:11:40,029 --> 01:11:42,731 Look, it was mutually exclusive, mutually beneficial. We, we... 1348 01:11:42,765 --> 01:11:46,902 We needed an end to the movie, and he needed a public forum through which to speak. 1349 01:11:46,935 --> 01:11:48,837 We agreed on this. 1350 01:11:48,871 --> 01:11:50,739 How is that, how is that my fault? 1351 01:11:50,773 --> 01:11:53,442 -You guys, all said... -You ruin his life for your movie, 1352 01:11:53,475 --> 01:11:54,777 how about that? 1353 01:11:54,810 --> 01:11:56,378 At what point did this become my movie 1354 01:11:56,412 --> 01:11:57,980 and this became I ruin somebody's life? 1355 01:11:58,013 --> 01:12:00,916 Man, you just keep pushing him. You keep... 1356 01:12:00,949 --> 01:12:03,585 Why do you guys, why do you guys keep showing up 1357 01:12:03,619 --> 01:12:05,954 with the gear and shooting, what we're doing then? 1358 01:12:05,988 --> 01:12:09,458 If you're so, if you have such moral issues with it, 1359 01:12:09,491 --> 01:12:11,060 why are you fucking here? 1360 01:12:11,093 --> 01:12:13,395 -Who's that? -What? 1361 01:12:13,429 --> 01:12:15,397 [metal sounds] 1362 01:12:15,431 --> 01:12:17,066 Somebody's running across the tracks. 1363 01:12:17,099 --> 01:12:19,101 -Come on, guys. -Shit! 1364 01:12:19,134 --> 01:12:21,070 [footsteps] 1365 01:12:22,571 --> 01:12:25,007 Where is the camera? Did he take the camera? 1366 01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:27,710 [running footsteps] 1367 01:12:32,848 --> 01:12:34,116 Guys, slow down. 1368 01:12:39,655 --> 01:12:43,459 -Did he seriously go in there? -I'm not going in there. 1369 01:12:46,895 --> 01:12:49,698 Guys! The camera battery is getting low! 1370 01:12:49,732 --> 01:12:51,734 We have to make a decision here. 1371 01:12:51,767 --> 01:12:53,035 Gavin! 1372 01:12:53,068 --> 01:12:54,803 The camera is about to die, Erik! 1373 01:12:54,837 --> 01:12:56,105 What are we doing? 1374 01:12:57,840 --> 01:12:59,842 -What is that? -What? 1375 01:12:59,875 --> 01:13:02,945 -Who the fuck is that? -Gavin! 1376 01:13:02,978 --> 01:13:05,581 -Did you see? -It's right there. 1377 01:13:05,614 --> 01:13:08,450 -Did you see anything? -I don't see anything! 1378 01:13:08,484 --> 01:13:11,120 It's right in fucking the end of the tunnel! What the fuck is...? 1379 01:13:11,153 --> 01:13:13,155 [TV signal tone] 1380 01:13:14,556 --> 01:13:17,559 [Sophia] Feldman sent this the night that he died. 1381 01:13:17,593 --> 01:13:21,630 As you can see, he details out what he called the final plan. 1382 01:13:21,663 --> 01:13:25,000 At the end, he only had three blinks left, so he set the camera up 1383 01:13:25,033 --> 01:13:29,471 into a mirror, so he covered both sides, the front and the back of himself. 1384 01:13:29,505 --> 01:13:32,674 He crouched down in front of the mirror 1385 01:13:32,708 --> 01:13:36,545 and had this hammer ready, so that on his final blink 1386 01:13:36,578 --> 01:13:42,184 he could stop, he could stop him from getting him, so he thought... 1387 01:13:43,118 --> 01:13:47,723 Feldman's parents let me go over and go through everything when 1388 01:13:47,756 --> 01:13:52,661 Feldman had passed, because we were working on the project together. 1389 01:13:52,694 --> 01:13:57,900 I was able to get this tape which was in the camera, up until the end. 1390 01:13:57,933 --> 01:14:01,503 As you can see, it's all cracked up and the tape was unspooled, 1391 01:14:01,537 --> 01:14:04,907 but I was actually able to put it back together. 1392 01:14:04,940 --> 01:14:06,942 It took a few days, 1393 01:14:07,876 --> 01:14:09,645 but I did it. 1394 01:14:09,678 --> 01:14:12,548 The only thing that would play, was the last clip, 1395 01:14:12,581 --> 01:14:15,951 and that's OK, because Feldman was smart. 1396 01:14:15,984 --> 01:14:18,287 He also had this. 1397 01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:19,888 [digital noise] 1398 01:14:39,975 --> 01:14:41,844 [noise intensifies] 1399 01:14:46,915 --> 01:14:48,584 [loud dramatic music] 1400 01:14:50,252 --> 01:14:51,086 Ah! 1401 01:14:51,119 --> 01:14:52,521 [electronic noise] 1402 01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:01,129 [heavy breathing] 1403 01:15:21,884 --> 01:15:23,252 [violent horror noise] 1404 01:15:23,285 --> 01:15:24,286 [TV signal tone] 1405 01:15:28,824 --> 01:15:33,829 Alright, so Andy, for the benefit of the camera, can you please, 1406 01:15:33,862 --> 01:15:37,799 can you please tell me what you sent me in the email? 1407 01:15:37,833 --> 01:15:41,870 Well, what I found was, 1408 01:15:41,904 --> 01:15:47,075 if you look when Peeping Tom is jumping up, 1409 01:15:47,109 --> 01:15:51,046 like jumping up to grab Feldman... 1410 01:15:52,781 --> 01:15:56,952 If you look in his eye, there's actually an image in his eye. 1411 01:15:58,053 --> 01:16:03,091 At first, I thought it was the shot of the, like the Ilchester tunnel, 1412 01:16:03,125 --> 01:16:07,896 like I thought it was like a frame grab from the video 1413 01:16:07,930 --> 01:16:10,632 where he appeared, but 1414 01:16:10,666 --> 01:16:12,100 I actually think it's the other way around, 1415 01:16:12,134 --> 01:16:15,237 like it's what Peeping Tom saw 1416 01:16:15,270 --> 01:16:16,838 when Peeping Tom appeared 1417 01:16:16,872 --> 01:16:19,308 so he's looking through the tunnel 1418 01:16:19,341 --> 01:16:23,178 and... you see the lights from that camera 1419 01:16:23,211 --> 01:16:28,050 and beyond that is like the train bridge. 1420 01:16:28,083 --> 01:16:32,321 [Erik] OK, so this, this is his POV 1421 01:16:32,354 --> 01:16:36,391 of Crane and Feldman filming him the night... 1422 01:16:36,425 --> 01:16:39,962 [Mike] It's Peeping Tom's point of view, yeah. 1423 01:16:43,765 --> 01:16:46,268 Wow, ah... 1424 01:16:46,301 --> 01:16:48,971 [Matt Davies] So this is what it sounds like by itself. 1425 01:16:49,004 --> 01:16:50,739 [digital noise] 1426 01:16:50,772 --> 01:16:53,075 You wouldn't necessarily be able to tell 1427 01:16:53,108 --> 01:16:54,309 that that's Morse code, 1428 01:16:54,343 --> 01:16:55,978 but you can see that it looks 1429 01:16:56,011 --> 01:16:57,379 a hell of a lot like it. 1430 01:16:57,412 --> 01:17:00,349 So, we, last time we were working with Gavin, 1431 01:17:00,382 --> 01:17:02,684 there was kind of some debate over the sound 1432 01:17:02,718 --> 01:17:04,353 that we found at the beginning of... 1433 01:17:04,386 --> 01:17:08,924 seems like each clip after the bridge footage. 1434 01:17:08,957 --> 01:17:14,029 Using this synthesizer sampler from iZotope, called Iris, 1435 01:17:14,062 --> 01:17:18,367 you can basically feed it the sound and it'll map out the frequencies 1436 01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:22,104 and amplitude of the sound visually. 1437 01:17:23,972 --> 01:17:25,907 [digital noise] 1438 01:17:25,941 --> 01:17:28,810 So, when I called you guys in here, I was actually 1439 01:17:28,844 --> 01:17:31,980 thinking that Gavin would be in here, as well. 1440 01:17:32,014 --> 01:17:35,183 He's the director and yeah, I would have thought he would want to see this, 1441 01:17:35,217 --> 01:17:38,286 it's pretty crazy, kind of validates him, but... 1442 01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:40,455 [Erik] Gavin have been missing for nine days. 1443 01:17:41,423 --> 01:17:42,691 Huh! 1444 01:17:44,159 --> 01:17:48,063 Alright, so, OK. Are you rolling? 1445 01:17:48,096 --> 01:17:50,098 -Yeah! -OK, so, on the way over here, 1446 01:17:50,132 --> 01:17:54,469 before I left this arrived in the mail, this is from Gavin. 1447 01:17:54,503 --> 01:17:57,005 I have not opened it up because I wanted to wait until 1448 01:17:57,039 --> 01:17:59,141 we do this on camera. Ready? 1449 01:17:59,174 --> 01:18:03,045 -Yeah. -OK. Alright. 1450 01:18:03,078 --> 01:18:04,312 DVCAM. 1451 01:18:07,516 --> 01:18:10,452 -What is that? -Holy shit! 1452 01:18:12,988 --> 01:18:14,923 This is, this is... 1453 01:18:15,924 --> 01:18:18,493 Sophia Crane, this is from the found footage. 1454 01:18:18,527 --> 01:18:22,097 This is the package that Feldman sent her. 1455 01:18:27,069 --> 01:18:28,470 No kidding! 1456 01:18:29,938 --> 01:18:31,773 This is... 1457 01:18:31,807 --> 01:18:35,177 OK, alright, look, either this is a prop or... 1458 01:18:35,210 --> 01:18:37,279 Oh, fuck, how did he get this? 1459 01:18:38,380 --> 01:18:43,218 Because that was the... and then the stuff that Sophia found with the, you know, 1460 01:18:43,251 --> 01:18:45,887 she was like storyboard, storyboard, concept art. 1461 01:18:45,921 --> 01:18:48,356 -This is gotta be fake. -Where is it coming from? 1462 01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:51,159 -I don't know. -I thought it was Gavin. 1463 01:18:51,193 --> 01:18:53,361 Gingo Corp's not even showing up on the map, 1464 01:18:53,395 --> 01:18:55,564 anywhere in Maryland, there's a Gringo Court! 1465 01:18:55,597 --> 01:18:56,865 Coincidentally. 1466 01:18:56,898 --> 01:18:58,467 Of course, it's the Ginkgo Court. 1467 01:18:58,500 --> 01:19:01,036 What the fuck is Gringo? Because... 1468 01:19:01,069 --> 01:19:04,873 Hey, look, I mean, sometimes they change communities, they change the street names... 1469 01:19:04,906 --> 01:19:06,775 -Is anything else in there? -Yeah. 1470 01:19:08,577 --> 01:19:14,850 See, here's his journal, so maybe it tells what he's been doing for the past two weeks. 1471 01:19:14,883 --> 01:19:16,284 I don't know. 1472 01:19:19,121 --> 01:19:21,389 This is a motel key card. 1473 01:19:21,423 --> 01:19:24,326 -Are you rolling? -Yeah. 1474 01:19:24,359 --> 01:19:26,128 [knocking on door] 1475 01:19:30,031 --> 01:19:34,102 A lot of survey by... Fucking, what's going on? 1476 01:19:34,136 --> 01:19:35,437 Gavin! 1477 01:19:38,473 --> 01:19:41,009 Is the management guys still... 1478 01:19:41,977 --> 01:19:45,847 Good, let's go in! I don't think we should record in here. 1479 01:19:45,881 --> 01:19:48,116 We're not breaking in, are we? 1480 01:19:48,150 --> 01:19:50,118 Yeah, right. 1481 01:19:50,152 --> 01:19:52,187 Oh, shit! 1482 01:19:52,220 --> 01:19:54,222 Gavin! 1483 01:19:54,256 --> 01:19:57,092 Jesus, it's not good! The hell is this? 1484 01:19:57,125 --> 01:19:58,460 -Kenny, Kenny! -What? 1485 01:19:58,493 --> 01:20:02,130 -The GoPro's on. -Jesus! 1486 01:20:02,164 --> 01:20:04,633 What you think he's doing? What the fuck is this? 1487 01:20:04,666 --> 01:20:06,268 Recording it. 1488 01:20:06,301 --> 01:20:08,837 Here's his camera, there's no card inside it. 1489 01:20:10,572 --> 01:20:13,942 Does anybody see the Panasonic, the DVX? 1490 01:20:16,044 --> 01:20:17,345 The tapes? 1491 01:20:19,114 --> 01:20:20,882 Everything OK? 1492 01:20:20,916 --> 01:20:24,920 OK, cool. Put this in the car, we'll take these with us. 1493 01:20:24,953 --> 01:20:26,488 -Shit! -OK. 1494 01:20:26,521 --> 01:20:30,659 Fuck, dude! Let's get out of here! Let's go, let's go! 1495 01:20:30,692 --> 01:20:33,128 What's wrong? 1496 01:20:33,161 --> 01:20:35,363 I don't know, seriously! 1497 01:20:35,397 --> 01:20:37,399 Oh, fuck, dude! 1498 01:20:37,432 --> 01:20:39,467 What is it, man, what's in there? 1499 01:20:40,468 --> 01:20:43,572 [officer] I suggest to start from the beginning with what happened. 1500 01:20:44,606 --> 01:20:48,410 [Erik] OK, so, we're making a documentary. 1501 01:20:48,443 --> 01:20:49,945 [officer] Is that on? 1502 01:20:51,213 --> 01:20:52,948 Are you recording it? 1503 01:20:52,981 --> 01:20:55,383 -Yes. -OK. 1504 01:20:55,417 --> 01:20:56,952 [officer] Go ahead. 1505 01:20:56,985 --> 01:20:59,888 [Erik] We're making a documentary about 1506 01:21:01,089 --> 01:21:02,290 the deceased. 1507 01:21:02,324 --> 01:21:03,391 [violent music] 1508 01:21:11,466 --> 01:21:13,268 [Erik] Carl, where's the footage? 1509 01:21:13,301 --> 01:21:15,337 Where are the tapes? 1510 01:21:15,370 --> 01:21:17,038 In my car. 1511 01:21:18,573 --> 01:21:21,643 [crewmember] Do you think, should we show the police 1512 01:21:21,676 --> 01:21:24,045 the footage on the camera and everything? 1513 01:21:24,079 --> 01:21:25,213 -No, no. -Why not? 1514 01:21:25,247 --> 01:21:26,348 They might take it away. 1515 01:21:26,381 --> 01:21:27,949 They'll take the tapes, 1516 01:21:27,983 --> 01:21:30,118 they want the tapes, they need the tapes. 1517 01:21:31,052 --> 01:21:33,154 The tapes, look, the tapes in the shoebox 1518 01:21:33,188 --> 01:21:35,557 have absolutely nothing to do with what happened here. 1519 01:21:35,590 --> 01:21:39,094 Nothing to do with it, and we already have a real scene, we can use the footage. 1520 01:21:39,127 --> 01:21:41,496 I'm talking about the footage on my camera that we just shot, 1521 01:21:41,529 --> 01:21:43,098 shouldn't we show that to the police? 1522 01:21:43,131 --> 01:21:44,599 Yeah, but, if we show that to the police 1523 01:21:44,633 --> 01:21:46,334 it'll show that Carl found the tapes 1524 01:21:46,368 --> 01:21:47,669 and then they'll take the tapes. 1525 01:21:50,272 --> 01:21:54,109 What do you think he was doing, all the GoPros and all the camera stuff, like, what... 1526 01:21:54,142 --> 01:21:57,646 I don't know, I think the more important question is who took the cards? 1527 01:21:57,679 --> 01:22:00,081 Who? They're not in the cameras... 1528 01:22:00,115 --> 01:22:04,119 -So we'll find out in ten years! -What? 1529 01:22:04,152 --> 01:22:06,354 That's when the footage will be found! 1530 01:22:10,592 --> 01:22:13,228 I went to bed early last night. 1531 01:22:13,261 --> 01:22:17,265 I was so tired, kind of like you are right before you're getting sick. 1532 01:22:17,299 --> 01:22:21,536 I dreamt I went to the tunnel and I was staring down, 1533 01:22:21,569 --> 01:22:23,071 right at midnight. 1534 01:22:24,306 --> 01:22:27,642 Everyone says it's so hard, but I thought it was so easy. 1535 01:22:29,744 --> 01:22:32,380 And when I stared for an hour, 1536 01:22:32,414 --> 01:22:33,548 he appeared 1537 01:22:34,649 --> 01:22:38,453 and then I woke up and I realized it wasn't a dream! 1538 01:22:39,421 --> 01:22:41,456 It's ten miles from my house 1539 01:22:42,724 --> 01:22:45,060 and I don't know how I got there! 1540 01:22:46,695 --> 01:22:49,364 Alright, I'll tell you about this tunnel... 1541 01:22:49,397 --> 01:22:51,032 Oh, fuck! 1542 01:22:52,534 --> 01:22:56,571 Let's be honest here, this is not what we thought this was going to be, 1543 01:22:56,604 --> 01:22:59,774 and now we're trying to make something out of it. 1544 01:22:59,808 --> 01:23:04,579 Listen, not all documentaries, not all projects come together. 1545 01:23:04,612 --> 01:23:09,317 This is one of those examples, it just didn't, it didn't pan out. 1546 01:23:09,351 --> 01:23:12,754 So you're saying we don't have a compelling story to cut together here, we don't have... 1547 01:23:13,755 --> 01:23:19,494 There's, there's no end to this story other than us standing here on the tracks. 1548 01:23:19,527 --> 01:23:23,465 There's no end of this story because it's all, this is the beginning. 1549 01:23:23,498 --> 01:23:25,233 -You understand? -What? 1550 01:23:25,266 --> 01:23:27,068 We have the tapes, right? 1551 01:23:27,102 --> 01:23:29,204 Then there's what Studio Unknown found, OK? 1552 01:23:29,237 --> 01:23:31,573 They found that sound anomaly. 1553 01:23:31,606 --> 01:23:33,742 We didn't put that there, Gavin didn't put that there. 1554 01:23:33,775 --> 01:23:38,380 With what Wardlaw found, OK, with the reflection in the eye, 1555 01:23:38,413 --> 01:23:40,749 and I don't know we put this documentary out there 1556 01:23:40,782 --> 01:23:42,784 and other people can take it to the next step! 1557 01:23:42,817 --> 01:23:45,553 -This is just the beginning. -You're contradicting yourself! 1558 01:23:45,587 --> 01:23:49,190 -I'm not contradicting myself! -You just said we're not trying 1559 01:23:49,224 --> 01:23:52,227 to present us like a real story, and now you are trying to present it like this. 1560 01:23:52,260 --> 01:23:56,664 I am trying to present this like the real story of what happened to Gavin York. 1561 01:23:56,698 --> 01:23:58,733 And because we're trying to tell Gavin's story, 1562 01:23:58,767 --> 01:24:02,637 these component factors that are included in there are part of his story, 1563 01:24:02,670 --> 01:24:04,105 part of what happened to him. 1564 01:24:04,139 --> 01:24:05,240 I'm not saying it's real, 1565 01:24:05,273 --> 01:24:06,641 I'm just saying that 1566 01:24:06,674 --> 01:24:11,112 what kind of a fucking idiot just drops it! 1567 01:24:11,146 --> 01:24:14,115 [crewmember] Erik, do you believe that the Blinkman is real? 1568 01:24:18,453 --> 01:24:19,721 [dramatic music] 1569 01:24:22,624 --> 01:24:25,627 [video tape charging] 1570 01:24:32,634 --> 01:24:36,304 My name is Sophia Crane. It's March 3rd, 2004. 1571 01:24:36,337 --> 01:24:39,407 I'm a film student and this is my senior thesis. 1572 01:24:39,441 --> 01:24:41,609 I don't know how much longer I'm going to be alive, 1573 01:24:41,643 --> 01:24:43,311 so I ask whoever find this, 1574 01:24:43,344 --> 01:24:45,547 please apply the first and second halves 1575 01:24:45,580 --> 01:24:47,148 of this final interview 1576 01:24:47,182 --> 01:24:49,384 to the beginning and end of my film. 1577 01:24:49,417 --> 01:24:52,220 I don't know where to make the cut. 1578 01:24:52,253 --> 01:24:56,124 This is the story of Peeping Tom and how I went looking for him. 1579 01:24:56,825 --> 01:24:59,627 Please show this to my parents. 1580 01:25:01,196 --> 01:25:04,466 I don't know how much longer I can go without blinking, 1581 01:25:04,499 --> 01:25:07,535 but I think I found a way to beat him. 1582 01:25:07,569 --> 01:25:10,305 The girl who stared into the sun 1583 01:25:10,338 --> 01:25:13,942 she only lost her sight, she still had to blink. 1584 01:25:13,975 --> 01:25:15,777 Everyone blinks. 1585 01:25:15,810 --> 01:25:19,848 It's right here, taunting me, try one last thing. 1586 01:25:21,416 --> 01:25:23,685 [heavy breathing] 1587 01:25:28,356 --> 01:25:30,492 [glass breaking] 1588 01:25:33,261 --> 01:25:34,929 [noise] 1589 01:25:34,963 --> 01:25:37,499 They say you can't cheat Peeping Tom. 1590 01:25:37,532 --> 01:25:40,768 But I think I found the way to beat him at his own game! 1591 01:25:43,671 --> 01:25:50,612 [crying doubled by noise] 1592 01:25:50,645 --> 01:25:52,580 [crying] 1593 01:25:53,982 --> 01:25:55,517 [screaming] 1594 01:25:57,685 --> 01:25:59,687 [TV signal tone]