1 00:01:23,805 --> 00:01:27,287 When I hear people say, "I lost faith," 2 00:01:28,636 --> 00:01:32,901 I picture them giving up, no longer able to keep looking. 3 00:01:34,250 --> 00:01:36,383 It wasn't like that for me. 4 00:01:36,426 --> 00:01:40,909 I even thought, selfishly, witnessing a war would bring me closer to God. 5 00:01:40,952 --> 00:01:44,608 But the more I prayed, the more empty my prayers seemed. 6 00:01:55,271 --> 00:01:57,708 They were whispers into a void. 7 00:02:02,539 --> 00:02:05,890 I was looking for a sign. Any sign. 8 00:02:11,026 --> 00:02:12,506 But it was quiet. 9 00:02:15,987 --> 00:02:18,425 Yeah, I'm still here. I'm listening. 10 00:02:20,905 --> 00:02:22,516 How can I help? 11 00:02:27,347 --> 00:02:29,218 Have you talked to anyone at the VA? 12 00:02:29,262 --> 00:02:30,872 They have people who... 13 00:02:32,787 --> 00:02:34,223 No, I understand. 14 00:02:35,703 --> 00:02:38,009 Thank you for saying that, but I'm not... 15 00:02:38,053 --> 00:02:40,838 Matt, I'm not qualified. 16 00:02:43,058 --> 00:02:44,842 Is there anyone at work? 17 00:02:44,886 --> 00:02:47,976 I mean, the NSA must be full of other vets. Right? 18 00:02:59,117 --> 00:03:01,424 No, I get it. Appearances matter. 19 00:03:04,079 --> 00:03:06,690 Sure. Anything. Yeah. 20 00:03:06,734 --> 00:03:10,259 Hey. Sorry. Give me a minute. I'm sorry. Hold on. 21 00:03:11,217 --> 00:03:12,696 Okay. 22 00:03:13,741 --> 00:03:15,308 Okay. 23 00:03:15,351 --> 00:03:18,441 Let me ask around. I'll find someone good. I will. 24 00:03:21,183 --> 00:03:23,403 I'll call you as soon as I... 25 00:03:28,321 --> 00:03:30,236 But I'll be in the office right after that. 26 00:03:30,279 --> 00:03:32,760 I'll get you a name. Okay? I promise. 27 00:03:39,070 --> 00:03:41,769 Hey. Hey. Matt. 28 00:03:42,900 --> 00:03:45,860 Hey, hey, come on, man. 29 00:03:45,903 --> 00:03:47,992 Come on. I was there. 30 00:03:48,036 --> 00:03:49,907 I get it. 31 00:03:49,951 --> 00:03:53,433 We're gonna get you some help. Okay? I'll call you tomorrow. 32 00:03:53,476 --> 00:03:55,522 Maybe read Psalms if you get a minute. 33 00:03:55,565 --> 00:03:57,915 There's some stuff in there that always helps me. 34 00:03:58,655 --> 00:04:00,744 Love you too, buddy. Bye. 35 00:04:03,225 --> 00:04:05,096 I'm sorry. 36 00:04:05,140 --> 00:04:07,403 You're the one who wanted to talk. 37 00:04:07,447 --> 00:04:09,492 Sarah, he was crying. 38 00:04:10,711 --> 00:04:13,453 Sorry. You know, I... I like Matt. 39 00:04:13,496 --> 00:04:16,325 Is... Is he okay? 40 00:04:16,369 --> 00:04:18,893 I don't know. 41 00:04:18,936 --> 00:04:20,808 It was bad over there. 42 00:04:20,851 --> 00:04:23,593 - It's always bad. It was bad for you too. - Yeah. 43 00:04:23,637 --> 00:04:26,509 But I was just there to write, not fight. Big difference. 44 00:04:28,206 --> 00:04:30,078 Look, I really have to get to work. 45 00:04:30,121 --> 00:04:32,481 - I got this, interview. - Interview, yeah. No, I heard. 46 00:04:34,430 --> 00:04:37,041 Hey, I want this... us to work. 47 00:04:37,085 --> 00:04:40,958 Tell me what to do. How many times do you want me to apologize? 48 00:04:40,990 --> 00:04:43,110 - Stop apologizing. - Just tell me the number. I'll do it. 49 00:04:43,134 --> 00:04:45,746 Things happen. How many times do I have to live through it? 50 00:04:45,789 --> 00:04:47,835 Things happen, but I'm here. Now. I'm back. 51 00:04:47,878 --> 00:04:50,798 It's only been worse since you've been back, Paul. I can't live like this. 52 00:04:50,838 --> 00:04:53,536 I can change. I can be better. I want to be better. 53 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,409 Can't we fix this? Fix? 54 00:04:57,845 --> 00:05:00,804 When trust in a marriage has been broken, how do you fix that? 55 00:05:00,848 --> 00:05:04,373 You want to throw all this away because of one mistake? 56 00:05:04,417 --> 00:05:06,854 It was my fault. I get in my head sometimes. 57 00:05:08,464 --> 00:05:10,727 Can we at least talk to someone? Anyone? 58 00:05:10,771 --> 00:05:12,555 Hey, hey. 59 00:05:12,599 --> 00:05:15,819 Can we... Can we talk tonight? Please? Can we... 60 00:05:15,863 --> 00:05:18,953 I'm not sure I'll be here. I need to think. 61 00:05:18,996 --> 00:05:21,916 You're gonna be late for your interview, and I really have to get to work. 62 00:05:25,046 --> 00:05:26,526 Yeah. 63 00:05:46,807 --> 00:05:48,112 Good morning. 64 00:05:49,331 --> 00:05:50,506 Morning. 65 00:05:50,550 --> 00:05:52,639 Like clockwork, you two. 66 00:06:27,108 --> 00:06:28,631 I'll call you later. 67 00:08:12,343 --> 00:08:13,562 Good morning. 68 00:08:14,694 --> 00:08:16,522 Sorry I'm late... 69 00:08:17,566 --> 00:08:19,350 I had to... Sorry I'm late. 70 00:08:19,394 --> 00:08:21,091 Only five minutes. 71 00:08:21,135 --> 00:08:24,878 Still leaves us 25 minutes as agreed. 72 00:08:24,921 --> 00:08:27,533 Right. Thirty minutes today, tomorrow, and Friday. 73 00:08:27,576 --> 00:08:29,578 Everyone's... 74 00:08:30,405 --> 00:08:32,886 Busy? 75 00:08:32,929 --> 00:08:35,279 That's right. Everyone's busy. 76 00:08:37,020 --> 00:08:38,152 Are you okay? 77 00:08:38,935 --> 00:08:40,720 Yeah. Sorry. I'm great. 78 00:08:40,763 --> 00:08:43,810 Sorry. Paul Asher. With The Herald. 79 00:08:43,853 --> 00:08:46,116 I know who you are. 80 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,989 I know all your work. I'm a fan. Thanks. 81 00:08:51,208 --> 00:08:52,819 Sorry. Do you mind? 82 00:08:53,733 --> 00:08:55,299 Okay. A few ground rules. 83 00:08:55,343 --> 00:08:57,867 I'm recording this conversation for accuracy. 84 00:08:57,911 --> 00:09:00,783 Also three sessions... today, tomorrow, and Friday. 85 00:09:00,827 --> 00:09:04,395 When we're done I'll show you what I wrote, but I retain editorial control. 86 00:09:04,439 --> 00:09:05,832 Do you agree? Agreed. 87 00:09:05,875 --> 00:09:08,704 And I expect great things. 88 00:09:08,748 --> 00:09:10,619 Okay, but don't get your hopes up. 89 00:09:10,663 --> 00:09:12,490 I cover religion for a secular paper, 90 00:09:12,534 --> 00:09:15,058 and the stuff I write usually ends up in the Lifestyles section. 91 00:09:15,102 --> 00:09:18,235 You're just being modest. Horoscopes get better placement. 92 00:09:18,279 --> 00:09:21,978 Well, the reporting you did from Afghanistan was very impressive. 93 00:09:22,022 --> 00:09:25,199 You followed that? Every word. 94 00:09:25,242 --> 00:09:27,157 Christians in combat? 95 00:09:27,201 --> 00:09:29,159 That must have been a tough assignment. 96 00:09:29,203 --> 00:09:32,075 Tough on you. Tough on your family. 97 00:09:32,119 --> 00:09:33,903 Tougher for others. 98 00:09:33,947 --> 00:09:35,731 I was just there to write. 99 00:09:35,775 --> 00:09:37,820 But I met some amazing people. 100 00:09:37,864 --> 00:09:41,737 Well, I'd love to hear more about your personal experiences over there. 101 00:09:41,781 --> 00:09:43,826 Yeah. Maybe some other time. 102 00:09:44,784 --> 00:09:46,699 So, unless we're here to play chess, 103 00:09:46,742 --> 00:09:48,439 let's talk about you. 104 00:09:48,483 --> 00:09:50,703 Do you play? Me? No. 105 00:09:50,746 --> 00:09:53,488 Never? When I was a kid. 106 00:09:53,531 --> 00:09:55,795 Anyway... But not anymore? 107 00:09:57,492 --> 00:09:59,842 My father used to bring me here. 108 00:09:59,886 --> 00:10:01,888 I used to play a little back then. Anyway... 109 00:10:03,019 --> 00:10:05,065 Shall we? 110 00:10:05,108 --> 00:10:08,416 Okay. Today is June 1. Please say your name and spell it. 111 00:10:10,548 --> 00:10:13,813 I'm God. G-O-D. 112 00:10:15,989 --> 00:10:18,426 Okay. Great. 113 00:10:18,469 --> 00:10:20,036 Let's start. 114 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,560 Thanks for agreeing to do this interview. 115 00:10:22,604 --> 00:10:24,388 Well, you agreed. 116 00:10:24,432 --> 00:10:26,173 But you're welcome. 117 00:10:26,216 --> 00:10:29,132 Can I get a shot of you? Sure. 118 00:10:29,176 --> 00:10:31,744 So, no problem you showing up in a photo? 119 00:10:31,787 --> 00:10:34,442 Well, I'm a deity, not a vampire. 120 00:10:42,406 --> 00:10:44,800 I've gotta say, you look human enough to me. 121 00:10:44,844 --> 00:10:48,108 And you know, you look godlike to me. 122 00:10:49,239 --> 00:10:51,589 I get that. Genesis. In his image. 123 00:10:51,633 --> 00:10:53,983 That's pretty funny. Thank you. 124 00:10:54,027 --> 00:10:57,030 So, why did you agree to do this interview? 125 00:10:57,073 --> 00:10:59,467 I talk to my children all the time. 126 00:11:00,816 --> 00:11:03,471 I see. So I'm one of your children. Of course. 127 00:11:03,514 --> 00:11:07,040 Okay, well, there's a name for people you usually talk to like this. 128 00:11:07,083 --> 00:11:08,998 "Lucky"? 129 00:11:09,042 --> 00:11:12,001 I think I meant "prophets." Oh, sure. Yes. 130 00:11:12,045 --> 00:11:16,702 That's what they're called after I speak to them, but before that... 131 00:11:16,745 --> 00:11:22,011 Many of them weren't too happy to see me when I showed up. At least not at first. 132 00:11:22,055 --> 00:11:23,534 Right. 133 00:11:23,578 --> 00:11:26,450 A burning bush, a pillar of fire. Pretty dramatic stuff. 134 00:11:26,494 --> 00:11:29,845 I'll bet people freaked out. They did, they did. 135 00:11:29,889 --> 00:11:32,239 But I got their attention. 136 00:11:32,282 --> 00:11:34,589 No burning bush today? 137 00:11:34,632 --> 00:11:36,591 Would you like that? 138 00:11:36,634 --> 00:11:38,462 Is that what you really want? 139 00:11:39,812 --> 00:11:41,683 Okay. 140 00:11:41,727 --> 00:11:46,209 What exactly would you like to see burst into flames? 141 00:11:46,253 --> 00:11:48,603 Something in this park perhaps? 142 00:11:48,646 --> 00:11:51,432 How about that pillar? 143 00:11:51,475 --> 00:11:53,477 Or maybe the tree, 144 00:11:55,392 --> 00:11:56,742 No, of course not. 145 00:11:56,785 --> 00:11:58,787 Well, it's not necessary. 146 00:11:58,831 --> 00:12:00,920 You're here. I'm here. We're already talking. 147 00:12:03,879 --> 00:12:08,405 Getting back to my question, is that why you're here? Am I a prophet? 148 00:12:08,449 --> 00:12:10,407 Are you a prophet? 149 00:12:10,451 --> 00:12:11,495 Well... 150 00:12:12,714 --> 00:12:14,585 We're... We're talking. Okay? 151 00:12:14,629 --> 00:12:16,022 That's a start. 152 00:12:16,805 --> 00:12:18,285 Okay. 153 00:12:19,503 --> 00:12:21,114 Circle back to that. 154 00:12:22,158 --> 00:12:25,509 Okay, so you're God. The God. 155 00:12:25,553 --> 00:12:28,599 The one who created everything. Heaven and earth in six days. 156 00:12:28,643 --> 00:12:31,777 Yep. But then I rested. 157 00:12:31,820 --> 00:12:34,475 So, nice work. Thank you. 158 00:12:35,128 --> 00:12:37,347 I try. 159 00:12:37,391 --> 00:12:39,610 But Is this really what you wanted to know, 160 00:12:39,654 --> 00:12:42,265 just some biographical information about my work? 161 00:12:42,309 --> 00:12:45,660 I'm sure you could read all about it in a book somewhere. 162 00:12:45,703 --> 00:12:48,968 Well, sure, but you know, my readers expect some fact-checking in my work. 163 00:12:49,011 --> 00:12:51,100 Facts. Yes. 164 00:12:51,144 --> 00:12:52,798 Yes, always the facts. 165 00:12:52,841 --> 00:12:54,625 Okay. Fine. 166 00:12:54,669 --> 00:12:56,323 Well, please continue. 167 00:12:57,977 --> 00:13:01,371 How old are you? 168 00:13:01,415 --> 00:13:03,983 Time is different for me than it is for you. 169 00:13:04,026 --> 00:13:07,073 I mean, I exist outside of time. 170 00:13:07,116 --> 00:13:09,249 After all, I created time. 171 00:13:10,511 --> 00:13:11,860 Right. 172 00:13:14,863 --> 00:13:16,691 Where do you come from? 173 00:13:16,734 --> 00:13:19,868 Paul, I think this interview would be more productive 174 00:13:19,912 --> 00:13:23,872 if we don't waste time on questions to which you already know the answers. 175 00:13:23,916 --> 00:13:26,135 Okay. Moving on. 176 00:13:26,179 --> 00:13:27,920 Paul, I'm not being difficult. 177 00:13:27,963 --> 00:13:30,487 I just... I just think you of all people 178 00:13:30,531 --> 00:13:33,664 should know why my answers might be confusing. 179 00:13:33,708 --> 00:13:37,320 I mean, if the... if the nature of God were obvious... 180 00:13:38,974 --> 00:13:41,107 Well, look at the world around you 181 00:13:41,150 --> 00:13:43,457 and you will see that it is not. 182 00:13:43,500 --> 00:13:47,374 So we struggle here on earth to know you, but I assume you know all the questions and answers. 183 00:13:47,417 --> 00:13:48,766 Of course. 184 00:13:48,810 --> 00:13:50,768 Does that make you feel uncomfortable? 185 00:13:50,812 --> 00:13:54,424 But then you know the answer to that question too, right? Yes. 186 00:13:54,468 --> 00:13:57,514 But a divine perspective is not required. 187 00:13:57,558 --> 00:14:00,996 Try to see this from my point of view. This is not an easy process. 188 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:02,345 No, I get it. 189 00:14:02,389 --> 00:14:04,347 Knowing all the questions and all the answers 190 00:14:04,391 --> 00:14:07,350 must make human conversation kind of difficult. 191 00:14:07,394 --> 00:14:10,353 Well, no one likes a know-it-all. 192 00:14:10,397 --> 00:14:12,138 Right. 193 00:14:12,181 --> 00:14:15,793 All right, you said, "you of all people" a few moments ago. 194 00:14:15,837 --> 00:14:20,320 You said, "You of all people should know why my answers might be a little confusing." 195 00:14:22,148 --> 00:14:25,107 What do you mean by that? Why me of all people? 196 00:14:25,151 --> 00:14:27,980 Well, you have a degree in religious studies 197 00:14:28,023 --> 00:14:30,896 and a degree in journalism from Loyola University, 198 00:14:30,939 --> 00:14:33,246 where you graduated the top of your class. 199 00:14:33,289 --> 00:14:36,423 You started working at The Herald in their online division 200 00:14:36,466 --> 00:14:37,859 right out of college, 201 00:14:37,903 --> 00:14:41,036 where you write about matters of faith and theology. 202 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,386 So you memorized my online bio. 203 00:14:43,430 --> 00:14:45,693 And I also know about your marriage. 204 00:14:46,955 --> 00:14:48,914 Excuse me? 205 00:14:48,957 --> 00:14:50,959 I know about your marriage. 206 00:14:57,705 --> 00:14:59,620 You had me going for a second. 207 00:14:59,663 --> 00:15:02,144 Yes, I did, didn't I? 208 00:15:02,188 --> 00:15:04,973 You're waiting for me to ask. Ask what? 209 00:15:05,017 --> 00:15:06,801 For proof. 210 00:15:06,844 --> 00:15:09,586 Proof that you are who you say you are. 211 00:15:09,630 --> 00:15:11,458 Yeah, proof. 212 00:15:11,501 --> 00:15:12,981 Well, tell me, Paul, 213 00:15:13,025 --> 00:15:18,508 when you pray, do you ask for proof that God is listening? 214 00:15:18,552 --> 00:15:20,467 No. Of course not. 215 00:15:20,510 --> 00:15:23,383 Then this is your lucky day. How so? 216 00:15:23,426 --> 00:15:25,863 I'm here, answering your questions. 217 00:15:25,907 --> 00:15:28,779 I hope I'm being cooperative. 218 00:15:28,823 --> 00:15:30,303 You are. 219 00:15:34,742 --> 00:15:38,311 So, what do I tell the people who say you don't exist? 220 00:15:38,354 --> 00:15:41,227 You tell them that I understand, 221 00:15:41,270 --> 00:15:43,838 but the world they see is just that. 222 00:15:43,881 --> 00:15:47,494 Sometimes that's just the way it looks. 223 00:15:49,583 --> 00:15:50,976 That's a good answer. 224 00:15:51,019 --> 00:15:53,021 Good. I'm glad. 225 00:15:53,065 --> 00:15:55,458 You're a very good interviewer, Paul. Thanks. 226 00:15:55,502 --> 00:15:59,027 Yeah, you've established trust, established rapport. 227 00:15:59,071 --> 00:16:01,073 Yeah, you're not at all condescending, 228 00:16:01,116 --> 00:16:03,249 and you want the truth above all else. 229 00:16:03,292 --> 00:16:06,295 Yeah. The truth would be cool. 230 00:16:06,339 --> 00:16:08,515 Well, that's my specialty. 231 00:16:11,779 --> 00:16:14,564 Okay. The lightning round and in no order. 232 00:16:14,608 --> 00:16:17,045 Lightning round. That's cute. 233 00:16:17,089 --> 00:16:18,916 What is the meaning of life? 234 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,310 To live, to struggle, to serve God, 235 00:16:21,354 --> 00:16:24,487 and to ask questions like, "What is the meaning of life?" 236 00:16:24,531 --> 00:16:27,577 Are the Torah and the New Testament the word of God? 237 00:16:27,621 --> 00:16:32,887 Of course. But as understood by man and as translated by man. 238 00:16:32,930 --> 00:16:34,584 There's some wiggle room there. 239 00:16:34,628 --> 00:16:36,369 No. 240 00:16:36,412 --> 00:16:39,720 Well, everyone has their own journey, but there is only one path. 241 00:16:39,763 --> 00:16:42,636 Was there ever a time when God didn't exist? 242 00:16:42,679 --> 00:16:46,074 - Well, I could give you the answer I gave Moses. - Okay. 243 00:16:46,118 --> 00:16:49,034 I am that I am. 244 00:16:49,077 --> 00:16:50,470 Right. 245 00:16:50,513 --> 00:16:53,081 I should have known that. Yes. 246 00:16:53,125 --> 00:16:56,258 And it's as true today as it was back then. 247 00:16:56,302 --> 00:16:58,304 Is there a heaven? Oh, yes. 248 00:16:58,347 --> 00:17:01,046 But try not to think of it as just a place. 249 00:17:01,089 --> 00:17:03,396 So Satan is also real? 250 00:17:04,745 --> 00:17:07,791 Yes, but frankly, Satan is overrated. 251 00:17:07,835 --> 00:17:10,142 Overrated? That's a funny way to put it. How so? 252 00:17:10,185 --> 00:17:13,536 Well, he only has power to the extent that you give it to him. 253 00:17:16,278 --> 00:17:18,237 What happens to us after we die? 254 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,978 You are reunited with the everlasting. 255 00:17:21,022 --> 00:17:22,415 So my soul is immortal? 256 00:17:22,458 --> 00:17:25,113 Well, it wouldn't be much of a soul if it wasn't. 257 00:17:27,333 --> 00:17:30,205 Can an atheist be a moral person? Sure. Sure. 258 00:17:30,249 --> 00:17:34,514 And you can build a home on no foundation. 259 00:17:34,557 --> 00:17:38,474 But you just better hope that the earth never shakes. 260 00:17:42,609 --> 00:17:43,827 Is God love? 261 00:17:45,481 --> 00:17:48,789 He doesn't boast, but yes, absolutely. 262 00:17:48,832 --> 00:17:52,923 What's 2,427 times 648? 263 00:17:52,967 --> 00:17:57,276 1,572,696. 264 00:18:02,542 --> 00:18:03,847 For real? 265 00:18:06,154 --> 00:18:08,025 I'm sorry. Sorry. Sorry. 266 00:18:08,069 --> 00:18:10,376 No, that's all right. God forgives. 267 00:18:10,419 --> 00:18:13,118 But this is interesting. What's that? 268 00:18:13,161 --> 00:18:15,120 There's a lot of good questions here, 269 00:18:15,163 --> 00:18:20,037 but you haven't asked me the one question I get asked almost more than any other. 270 00:18:20,081 --> 00:18:22,866 No? What's that? Well, take a guess. 271 00:18:25,826 --> 00:18:27,828 Why do bad things happen to good people? 272 00:18:27,871 --> 00:18:30,526 That's the one. No, that's not on my list. 273 00:18:30,570 --> 00:18:33,616 And frankly, I don't like that question very much. No? 274 00:18:33,660 --> 00:18:35,183 Why not? 275 00:18:35,227 --> 00:18:39,405 Because it's not really a question, is it? It's a complaint. 276 00:18:39,448 --> 00:18:42,451 What it really means is, why do bad things happen to me? 277 00:18:42,495 --> 00:18:45,150 And the person asking is assuming they're a good person, 278 00:18:45,193 --> 00:18:46,934 which seems arrogant to me. 279 00:18:46,977 --> 00:18:49,328 But, Paul, 280 00:18:49,371 --> 00:18:52,679 bad things do happen to some very good people. 281 00:18:54,942 --> 00:18:56,813 It is a big question. 282 00:18:58,250 --> 00:19:00,077 Yes. I know. 283 00:19:00,121 --> 00:19:02,254 I'll answer it if you'd like. 284 00:19:05,257 --> 00:19:06,910 No. Let's move on. 285 00:19:07,998 --> 00:19:09,783 Okay. 286 00:19:13,569 --> 00:19:17,356 Does free will exist? And how do we reconcile it with God's will? 287 00:19:18,922 --> 00:19:20,924 Finally. 288 00:19:20,968 --> 00:19:23,144 Finally? What does that mean? 289 00:19:23,188 --> 00:19:25,494 It's an adverb meaning "at last." 290 00:19:25,538 --> 00:19:28,671 Cute. You know what I meant. 291 00:19:28,715 --> 00:19:31,892 No, finally you are asking me some questions you care about. 292 00:19:31,935 --> 00:19:34,503 I care about all the questions. Well, maybe. 293 00:19:34,547 --> 00:19:37,941 But you care about some of the answers more than others. 294 00:19:37,985 --> 00:19:40,117 Look, this is not about me. 295 00:19:40,161 --> 00:19:41,728 Really? 296 00:19:43,382 --> 00:19:45,558 Does free will exist? 297 00:19:45,601 --> 00:19:48,125 Did I force you to come to this meeting? 298 00:19:48,169 --> 00:19:49,997 Would I know it if you did? 299 00:19:51,651 --> 00:19:53,827 That reminds me of an old joke. 300 00:19:53,870 --> 00:19:55,829 A student goes to his rabbi and says, 301 00:19:55,872 --> 00:19:58,397 "Rabbi, why do you and the other rabbis 302 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,008 always answer my questions with another question?" 303 00:20:01,051 --> 00:20:04,577 And the rabbi replies, "So how should we answer?" 304 00:20:05,534 --> 00:20:08,320 Okay. You didn't laugh at God's joke. 305 00:20:08,363 --> 00:20:11,236 So what does that say about free will? 306 00:20:11,279 --> 00:20:14,108 Of course there's free will, Paul, 307 00:20:14,151 --> 00:20:16,066 and everybody knows this is true. 308 00:20:16,110 --> 00:20:20,680 The entire foundation of human law depends on the existence of free will. 309 00:20:21,333 --> 00:20:23,378 Try going before a judge 310 00:20:23,422 --> 00:20:25,337 when you've been charged with a crime. 311 00:20:25,380 --> 00:20:27,382 Blame your actions on God's will. 312 00:20:27,426 --> 00:20:29,254 See how that works out for you. 313 00:20:29,297 --> 00:20:32,257 Now, does this mean that every human act is a matter of free will? 314 00:20:32,300 --> 00:20:33,954 Of course not. 315 00:20:33,997 --> 00:20:37,784 No more than you can use free will to grow back an amputated leg. 316 00:20:37,827 --> 00:20:40,656 So, stuff happens and God says, "Hey, man, don't look at me." 317 00:20:40,700 --> 00:20:42,092 No. No. 318 00:20:42,136 --> 00:20:46,271 You have to understand that my will and human free will 319 00:20:46,314 --> 00:20:47,881 are not contradictory 320 00:20:47,924 --> 00:20:50,405 because they are not two versions of the same thing, 321 00:20:50,449 --> 00:20:53,060 but they do fit perfectly together. 322 00:20:53,103 --> 00:20:55,018 I designed it that way. 323 00:20:55,062 --> 00:20:58,239 Yeah, but if I can't tell where one begins and the other ends... 324 00:20:58,283 --> 00:20:59,980 Do you see my problem? 325 00:21:00,023 --> 00:21:02,417 Yeah, I think I see. 326 00:21:02,461 --> 00:21:03,940 Do you? Yeah. 327 00:21:03,984 --> 00:21:06,552 Is the problem that you don't trust God's plan, 328 00:21:06,595 --> 00:21:08,597 or that you don't trust yourself? 329 00:21:08,641 --> 00:21:11,905 Oh, great. So, if God's got a plan, I'm covered. Right? 330 00:21:11,931 --> 00:21:14,971 I should've just stayed in bed, because for all I know it's part of his plan. 331 00:21:14,995 --> 00:21:17,650 That's not what I'm saying and you know it. 332 00:21:18,651 --> 00:21:20,740 All right. Look here. Chess. Right? 333 00:21:20,783 --> 00:21:22,872 Pieces interact. There's rules. 334 00:21:22,916 --> 00:21:24,526 There's give and take. 335 00:21:24,570 --> 00:21:27,486 But no two pieces can occupy the same space at the same time. 336 00:21:27,529 --> 00:21:29,879 That's a lot like you and me. 337 00:21:29,923 --> 00:21:31,620 People make choices, 338 00:21:31,664 --> 00:21:34,057 and those choices have consequences. 339 00:21:34,101 --> 00:21:37,626 And if knowing my will were part of every human decision, 340 00:21:37,670 --> 00:21:39,846 how would anything ever happen? 341 00:21:40,847 --> 00:21:42,979 You'd be paralyzed every morning, 342 00:21:43,023 --> 00:21:46,940 trying to decide whether to brush your teeth vertically or horizontally. 343 00:21:46,983 --> 00:21:50,770 So, trying to know God's will is, what, a waste of time? No. Not at all. 344 00:21:50,813 --> 00:21:53,381 Paul, I'm only telling you what you already know. 345 00:21:55,514 --> 00:21:57,820 You have to make your own choices, 346 00:21:57,864 --> 00:22:00,170 and you have to live by those choices, 347 00:22:00,214 --> 00:22:02,782 no matter how you arrived at them. 348 00:22:04,914 --> 00:22:07,003 Tell me, when you traveled to Afghanistan, 349 00:22:07,047 --> 00:22:09,179 which aspects of my will did you consider? 350 00:22:09,223 --> 00:22:12,835 Or did you just think it's all my will, so, hey, anything goes? 351 00:22:12,879 --> 00:22:17,100 I think it was slightly more complicated than that. 352 00:22:17,144 --> 00:22:20,495 You traveled 7,000 miles into a war zone, Paul. 353 00:22:20,539 --> 00:22:23,063 War changes people. 354 00:22:23,106 --> 00:22:26,936 You had to have known a trip like that would have consequences for you, 355 00:22:26,980 --> 00:22:28,982 and for your family. 356 00:22:29,025 --> 00:22:31,985 Or did you think that you'd be different? 357 00:22:36,206 --> 00:22:39,384 I guess I was hoping God would look out for me. 358 00:22:39,427 --> 00:22:41,386 "Hoping"? 359 00:22:41,429 --> 00:22:43,039 Praying. 360 00:22:44,258 --> 00:22:45,999 I prayed for my own safety. 361 00:22:46,042 --> 00:22:49,219 I prayed God would watch over the soldiers I'd met and bring them home. 362 00:22:49,263 --> 00:22:51,918 I prayed my wife would be okay while I was gone. 363 00:22:51,961 --> 00:22:54,660 I prayed I didn't do anything stupid. I prayed a lot. 364 00:22:54,703 --> 00:22:56,836 Were your prayers answered? 365 00:22:56,879 --> 00:22:59,491 I don't know. Some, yes. Mostly, no. 366 00:23:00,622 --> 00:23:02,972 Would you like to talk about that? 367 00:23:03,016 --> 00:23:05,410 Are you the complaint department? 368 00:23:05,453 --> 00:23:08,021 I heard I was needed, so I came. 369 00:23:08,064 --> 00:23:10,458 So, I think I'm here to do an interview, 370 00:23:10,502 --> 00:23:13,069 but really what this is is an intervention. 371 00:23:13,113 --> 00:23:15,637 Yes, but not in the way you think it is. 372 00:23:15,681 --> 00:23:17,770 How do you know what I think? 373 00:23:21,774 --> 00:23:23,776 Let's save that for tomorrow. 374 00:23:25,604 --> 00:23:27,910 This is a weird interview. Yeah. 375 00:23:27,954 --> 00:23:30,783 Okay, let's just call it a conversation. Would that be better? 376 00:23:30,826 --> 00:23:33,568 Sorry. That's not why they pay me. 377 00:23:33,612 --> 00:23:36,441 And that's why you're here. For money. 378 00:23:36,484 --> 00:23:38,573 Why are we here? 379 00:23:38,617 --> 00:23:40,706 I heard I was needed, so I came. 380 00:23:40,749 --> 00:23:43,099 A simple "thank you" would suffice. 381 00:23:43,143 --> 00:23:46,276 Why do I deserve your special attention? 382 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:47,843 Don't you? 383 00:23:47,887 --> 00:23:50,280 So you're here to save me. 384 00:23:50,324 --> 00:23:51,978 Do you need saving? 385 00:23:52,021 --> 00:23:53,414 Doesn't everyone? 386 00:23:53,458 --> 00:23:56,112 Yes. 387 00:23:56,156 --> 00:23:58,854 But we're gonna do something a little different this time. 388 00:23:58,898 --> 00:24:00,595 I'm gonna help you. 389 00:24:00,639 --> 00:24:02,684 You're gonna help me? 390 00:24:03,555 --> 00:24:05,818 I don't understand. I know. 391 00:24:07,297 --> 00:24:09,169 I know. 392 00:24:09,212 --> 00:24:10,953 But you will. 393 00:24:12,912 --> 00:24:14,261 And so... 394 00:24:14,304 --> 00:24:15,828 We're out of time. 395 00:24:16,829 --> 00:24:18,961 All right. 396 00:24:20,136 --> 00:24:21,964 See you tomorrow? 397 00:24:22,748 --> 00:24:24,489 Sure. Same time and place? 398 00:24:24,532 --> 00:24:26,839 Well, to be determined. 399 00:24:31,974 --> 00:24:34,020 Seriously. What's all this about? 400 00:24:35,500 --> 00:24:37,676 Let's talk tomorrow. 401 00:28:34,913 --> 00:28:36,958 Yeah. Paul Asher. 402 00:28:37,002 --> 00:28:39,265 Hey, it's me. 403 00:28:39,308 --> 00:28:41,833 Hi. 404 00:28:41,876 --> 00:28:43,791 So, what happened this morning? 405 00:28:43,835 --> 00:28:45,227 Did she leave? 406 00:28:46,794 --> 00:28:49,710 I don't know. I don't know. 407 00:28:51,843 --> 00:28:54,280 You sound a little... I'm sorry. I had... 408 00:28:54,323 --> 00:28:58,110 I just got into work. I had a weird, strange morning. 409 00:28:59,459 --> 00:29:01,504 Can I see you later? 410 00:29:02,941 --> 00:29:04,812 Paul? You there? 411 00:29:09,817 --> 00:29:11,732 Hey, can I call you later? 412 00:29:11,776 --> 00:29:14,126 Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay. 413 00:29:14,169 --> 00:29:16,171 Promise? Yeah. Will do. Okay. 414 00:29:16,215 --> 00:29:18,260 Paul... Okay. Thanks. Talk to you soon. 415 00:29:18,304 --> 00:29:19,522 Okay. Bye. Bye. 416 00:29:19,566 --> 00:29:21,611 Hey. Gary. 417 00:29:21,655 --> 00:29:22,961 Yeah, hey. 418 00:29:25,702 --> 00:29:27,574 What are you doing here? 419 00:29:28,662 --> 00:29:31,099 Yeah, I know. I'm sorry... 420 00:29:31,143 --> 00:29:33,275 And yet, here you are. 421 00:29:33,928 --> 00:29:36,626 You know, paid leave 422 00:29:36,670 --> 00:29:38,803 means we still pay you, right? 423 00:29:38,846 --> 00:29:41,588 Yes. HR explained that. 424 00:29:41,631 --> 00:29:45,070 And how much time have you taken off since you got back? 425 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,771 I think the answer you're looking for is "none." 426 00:29:50,815 --> 00:29:52,294 Paul. 427 00:29:57,952 --> 00:29:59,867 So, you know 428 00:29:59,911 --> 00:30:02,348 there is no shame in taking some time. 429 00:30:02,391 --> 00:30:04,916 Right? 430 00:30:04,959 --> 00:30:06,482 Yeah. Thanks. 431 00:30:06,526 --> 00:30:09,007 But I needed to... Did you get my text? 432 00:30:09,050 --> 00:30:11,531 You trying to change the subject? Yeah. 433 00:30:11,574 --> 00:30:13,272 It work? 434 00:30:13,315 --> 00:30:15,622 Yeah, I got it. Everything okay? Yeah, all good. 435 00:30:15,665 --> 00:30:19,060 Just a crazy morning. I'm working on something. 436 00:30:19,104 --> 00:30:21,541 That's not what I meant. 437 00:30:21,584 --> 00:30:24,587 Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm good. Thanks. 438 00:30:28,026 --> 00:30:31,290 What about Sarah? Family? What's she up to? 439 00:30:31,333 --> 00:30:33,161 She's good. 440 00:30:33,205 --> 00:30:35,207 Yeah? Yeah. I'll tell her you asked. 441 00:30:37,209 --> 00:30:39,515 Hey, Gary, excuse me. Tell her I say hi. 442 00:30:39,559 --> 00:30:41,648 Can you just sign right here? 443 00:30:41,691 --> 00:30:43,215 Yeah. 444 00:30:44,477 --> 00:30:45,870 And here.- 445 00:30:45,913 --> 00:30:47,480 Send it out. Thank you. 446 00:30:47,523 --> 00:30:48,916 Yeah. 447 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,397 So, what do you need? 448 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:52,877 What do you mean? 449 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,575 Yeah... 450 00:30:55,618 --> 00:30:57,533 Your text this morning. 451 00:30:57,577 --> 00:30:59,144 Yeah. 452 00:31:01,886 --> 00:31:04,714 I have this friend and he needs some help. 453 00:31:04,758 --> 00:31:06,455 A friend. Really? 454 00:31:06,499 --> 00:31:10,416 No, it's not me. It's a guy I met overseas. 455 00:31:10,459 --> 00:31:12,940 He's having trouble since he got back. 456 00:31:12,984 --> 00:31:15,595 - PTSD? - I think so. 457 00:31:15,638 --> 00:31:17,945 Okay. Yeah. 458 00:31:17,989 --> 00:31:20,817 - Is he gonna be okay? - I hope so. 459 00:31:20,861 --> 00:31:24,169 I think sometimes it's just hard to see God's plan 460 00:31:24,212 --> 00:31:26,171 in the middle of a war, you know. 461 00:31:26,214 --> 00:31:28,390 Yeah. So, what can I do to help? 462 00:31:30,305 --> 00:31:33,613 He needs to talk to someone right away, someone professional. 463 00:31:33,656 --> 00:31:35,136 I told him I'd ask around. 464 00:31:36,268 --> 00:31:38,487 He's a good guy. A war hero. 465 00:31:38,531 --> 00:31:39,967 Do you know anyone? 466 00:31:40,011 --> 00:31:42,230 He can't go to the VA? 467 00:31:42,274 --> 00:31:44,493 Well... I mean, that's what it's there for. 468 00:31:44,537 --> 00:31:47,975 He's got a classified job now, so it could be a problem if people think he's... 469 00:31:48,019 --> 00:31:49,977 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. 470 00:31:50,891 --> 00:31:52,588 Well... 471 00:31:52,632 --> 00:31:56,288 I know somebody over at the Interfaith Center who's pretty good. 472 00:31:56,331 --> 00:31:59,291 She's really good. I went to her myself when Ann left me. 473 00:32:00,857 --> 00:32:03,991 - When was this? - Last year. 474 00:32:06,211 --> 00:32:07,734 I didn't know. I'm so sorry. 475 00:32:07,777 --> 00:32:10,302 Well, I didn't advertise, and you were... 476 00:32:10,345 --> 00:32:13,000 gone for most of it, so... 477 00:32:13,044 --> 00:32:14,523 You never said anything. 478 00:32:14,567 --> 00:32:16,699 You were fine. You... You seemed fine. 479 00:32:16,743 --> 00:32:18,266 Yeah, see, that's the thing. 480 00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:21,661 Sometimes there aren't signs when someone's in trouble. 481 00:32:21,704 --> 00:32:24,794 So it's really good that your friend, this... 482 00:32:24,838 --> 00:32:26,883 Matt. Matt... 483 00:32:26,927 --> 00:32:28,885 is reaching out to you like this. 484 00:32:28,929 --> 00:32:30,235 Yeah. 485 00:32:30,278 --> 00:32:33,499 - So I'll ask and get you a name. - Okay. Thanks. 486 00:32:33,542 --> 00:32:36,458 You know I got your back. Right? You know that? Yeah. I do. 487 00:32:36,502 --> 00:32:38,025 Okay. 488 00:32:38,069 --> 00:32:39,635 What are you working on? 489 00:32:39,679 --> 00:32:42,160 You're not gonna believe this. 490 00:32:42,203 --> 00:32:43,813 I'm doing an interview. 491 00:32:43,857 --> 00:32:46,077 Okay. With who? 492 00:32:51,821 --> 00:32:53,214 With God. 493 00:32:56,783 --> 00:32:58,654 Really? 494 00:32:58,698 --> 00:33:00,526 Yeah. Yeah. Really. 495 00:33:02,832 --> 00:33:05,618 I love it. That's a great idea. 496 00:33:05,661 --> 00:33:08,534 You like it? Because I was starting to have second thoughts. 497 00:33:08,577 --> 00:33:11,450 No, no, no, no, no. For your blog? 498 00:33:11,493 --> 00:33:14,627 Or maybe this could be something bigger. 499 00:33:14,670 --> 00:33:16,629 I don't know. What do you mean, something bigger? 500 00:33:16,672 --> 00:33:20,850 Print edition, column four. Human interest, every Thursday. 501 00:33:20,894 --> 00:33:23,070 Yes. Yes. 502 00:33:23,114 --> 00:33:26,117 The front page. You're kidding. 503 00:33:27,074 --> 00:33:28,945 About time God made the front page. 504 00:33:28,989 --> 00:33:30,730 You disagree? 505 00:33:30,773 --> 00:33:32,036 No, of course not. Okay. 506 00:33:32,079 --> 00:33:33,646 But what will the office think? 507 00:33:33,689 --> 00:33:36,692 You don't think it'll cause some resentment around here? 508 00:33:36,736 --> 00:33:38,216 No, not really. 509 00:33:38,259 --> 00:33:40,479 I think they already resent you. Okay. 510 00:33:40,522 --> 00:33:42,872 Thank you. How many words? 511 00:33:42,916 --> 00:33:44,918 No idea. 512 00:33:44,961 --> 00:33:48,487 Okay, okay, This is gonna be good. This is great. 513 00:33:49,140 --> 00:33:51,403 Okay, for now, 514 00:33:51,446 --> 00:33:53,535 we'll keep this between us, yeah? 515 00:33:53,579 --> 00:33:55,189 Yeah. No problem. Let me work on it. 516 00:33:55,233 --> 00:33:56,582 Okay. 517 00:33:57,931 --> 00:33:59,802 Interview with God. 518 00:34:01,369 --> 00:34:03,589 That's very cool. Very cool. 519 00:34:25,001 --> 00:34:26,916 Hi. This is Sarah. 520 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,310 Leave a message at the beepy thing, and have a great day. 521 00:34:29,354 --> 00:34:31,834 Hey, Sarah, it's me. 522 00:34:33,009 --> 00:34:35,838 I wanna finish our talk. 523 00:34:40,016 --> 00:34:41,844 I think we can fix this. 524 00:34:43,019 --> 00:34:45,109 Please call me back. 525 00:34:45,152 --> 00:34:46,806 Okay. Bye. 526 00:35:00,733 --> 00:35:02,778 Is God love? 527 00:35:05,216 --> 00:35:07,479 He doesn't boast, but yes, absolutely. 528 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,048 What's 2,427 times 648? 529 00:35:12,092 --> 00:35:17,010 1,572,696. 530 00:35:17,053 --> 00:35:18,968 Six hundred... 531 00:35:21,928 --> 00:35:23,321 For real? 532 00:35:25,888 --> 00:35:29,631 1,572,696. 533 00:36:30,562 --> 00:36:31,737 Sarah? 534 00:37:10,819 --> 00:37:13,257 I know who you are. 535 00:37:13,300 --> 00:37:15,171 I know all your work. I'm a fan. 536 00:37:15,215 --> 00:37:19,219 Christians in combat? That must have been a tough assignment. 537 00:37:19,263 --> 00:37:21,395 Tough on you. Tough on your family. 538 00:37:21,439 --> 00:37:24,746 You traveled 7,000 miles into a war zone, Paul. 539 00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:28,141 War changes people. You're gonna help me? 540 00:37:28,184 --> 00:37:29,751 I don't understand. 541 00:37:29,795 --> 00:37:32,195 Getting back to my question, is that why you're here? 542 00:37:32,232 --> 00:37:33,799 Am I a prophet? But, Paul... 543 00:37:34,930 --> 00:37:37,411 bad things do happen to some very good people. 544 00:37:37,455 --> 00:37:40,588 I just think you of all people should know why my answers might be... 545 00:37:40,632 --> 00:37:42,764 Is the problem that you don't trust God's plan? 546 00:37:42,808 --> 00:37:46,290 Or is the problem that you don't trust yourself? 547 00:37:55,211 --> 00:37:57,649 I'm God. G-O-D. 548 00:37:57,692 --> 00:37:59,694 That reminds me of an old joke. 549 00:37:59,738 --> 00:38:01,522 Seriously. What's all this about? 550 00:38:01,566 --> 00:38:04,286 What exactly would you like to see burst into flames? Am I a prophet? 551 00:38:04,311 --> 00:38:06,614 This is not about me. Really? People make choices. 552 00:38:06,658 --> 00:38:08,790 Why are we here? Those choices have consequences. 553 00:38:08,834 --> 00:38:10,357 So, you're here to save me? 554 00:38:10,401 --> 00:38:13,404 If knowing my will were part of every human decision, 555 00:38:13,447 --> 00:38:15,144 how would anything get done? 556 00:38:15,188 --> 00:38:17,228 When you traveled to Afghanistan... Which aspects... 557 00:38:17,253 --> 00:38:20,236 You of all people should know... And I also know about your marriage. 558 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,675 So, if God's got a plan, I'm covered, right? I also know about your marriage. 559 00:38:23,718 --> 00:38:25,981 - Can we talk later tonight, please? - I'm not sure. 560 00:38:26,025 --> 00:38:28,385 When trust in a marriage has been broken, how do you fix it? 561 00:38:28,409 --> 00:38:30,809 How many times do you want me to apologize? Stop apologizing. 562 00:38:30,834 --> 00:38:32,672 I don't care about the dishes! 563 00:39:04,455 --> 00:39:06,065 You never know. 564 00:39:15,901 --> 00:39:18,860 Sarah? 565 00:39:26,825 --> 00:39:27,913 Hello? 566 00:39:32,352 --> 00:39:33,571 Who's there? 567 00:39:39,054 --> 00:39:41,013 Hello? 568 00:39:41,056 --> 00:39:42,449 Hello! 569 00:39:44,103 --> 00:39:45,583 Who's there? 570 00:39:45,626 --> 00:39:47,759 Shut up! 571 00:39:58,291 --> 00:40:00,467 Morning. 572 00:40:00,511 --> 00:40:01,903 Morning. 573 00:40:03,470 --> 00:40:06,038 Sarah staying home today? Yeah. 574 00:40:07,300 --> 00:40:08,997 Under the weather? 575 00:40:09,041 --> 00:40:10,651 Yeah, I think so. 576 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,959 Echinacea. 577 00:40:14,002 --> 00:40:16,048 That's what I use. 578 00:40:16,091 --> 00:40:17,528 I'll tell her. 579 00:40:47,427 --> 00:40:49,255 Hello? 580 00:40:53,564 --> 00:40:55,522 Hello? 581 00:41:29,164 --> 00:41:30,296 You work here? 582 00:41:32,385 --> 00:41:33,995 Why do you ask? 583 00:41:37,042 --> 00:41:39,000 My mom worked here. 584 00:41:39,044 --> 00:41:40,175 Long ago. 585 00:41:42,569 --> 00:41:44,571 Should we even be in here? 586 00:41:45,529 --> 00:41:47,705 Come. Join me. 587 00:42:05,549 --> 00:42:08,160 You don't look so good today, Paul. 588 00:42:09,596 --> 00:42:12,164 Is everything okay? I'm fine. 589 00:42:14,514 --> 00:42:16,734 What happened to your hand? 590 00:42:18,300 --> 00:42:20,085 We should get started. 591 00:42:20,128 --> 00:42:24,829 We can skip today and finish tomorrow, if that would be better. 592 00:42:24,872 --> 00:42:27,309 No, that's okay. I'm here. You're here. 593 00:42:27,353 --> 00:42:30,312 Let's just pick it up where we left off and... 594 00:42:31,749 --> 00:42:33,359 make it a good interview. 595 00:42:33,402 --> 00:42:36,841 Actually, you didn't look so good yesterday either. 596 00:42:36,884 --> 00:42:38,756 I'm... I'm a little worried. 597 00:42:39,713 --> 00:42:41,628 About yesterday, we got off track. 598 00:42:41,672 --> 00:42:44,762 I was trying to be professional, but we got off track. I apologize for that. 599 00:42:44,805 --> 00:42:46,415 No apologies necessary. 600 00:42:46,459 --> 00:42:49,462 You were incredibly professional, and I said so. 601 00:42:49,505 --> 00:42:51,986 Thank you, but somehow I became part of the interview, 602 00:42:52,030 --> 00:42:54,510 and that's not supposed to happen. 603 00:42:54,554 --> 00:42:57,426 So let's get back to you and... 604 00:42:57,470 --> 00:42:59,341 make it a good interview. 605 00:43:10,396 --> 00:43:11,789 Shall we? 606 00:43:12,659 --> 00:43:14,618 Okay, recording. 607 00:43:14,661 --> 00:43:16,968 June 2. Paul Asher interviewing God. 608 00:43:22,974 --> 00:43:26,542 So, I think we covered most of the basics yesterday. 609 00:43:26,586 --> 00:43:29,502 Where did we leave off? You were asking me why I was here. 610 00:43:29,545 --> 00:43:32,374 Right. Sorry. So why are you here? Why an interview? 611 00:43:32,418 --> 00:43:35,682 I'd like to talk to you about salvation, Paul. 612 00:43:35,726 --> 00:43:38,337 Okay. Good topic. This is progress. 613 00:43:39,338 --> 00:43:41,557 Salvation. 614 00:43:41,601 --> 00:43:45,170 What do you mean by that? What do you think I mean by that? 615 00:43:47,912 --> 00:43:49,696 I'm not trying to be difficult, 616 00:43:49,740 --> 00:43:53,004 but we should establish what you think it is before we can discuss it. 617 00:43:53,047 --> 00:43:56,137 Right? Salvation means different things to different people. 618 00:43:56,181 --> 00:43:57,791 Yes, it does. It's very personal. 619 00:43:57,835 --> 00:43:59,793 It is the most personal, and in the end... 620 00:43:59,837 --> 00:44:02,840 and I mean, literally in the end, 621 00:44:02,883 --> 00:44:05,407 there's nothing more personal than salvation. 622 00:44:05,451 --> 00:44:07,453 It's just you and your soul. 623 00:44:07,496 --> 00:44:10,064 Can't get more intimate than that. Hard to argue. 624 00:44:10,108 --> 00:44:12,763 So when I ask you, what do you think it is, 625 00:44:12,806 --> 00:44:15,461 it's only to help me answer your questions properly. 626 00:44:15,504 --> 00:44:19,421 That's why we're here. Right? You ask. I answer. 627 00:44:20,509 --> 00:44:22,163 Okay. 628 00:44:22,207 --> 00:44:25,166 Salvation means different things to different people. 629 00:44:25,210 --> 00:44:28,474 But I'm a Christian, so let me answer it from that perspective. 630 00:44:28,517 --> 00:44:31,129 Salvation is returning to a state of perfection with the Almighty 631 00:44:31,172 --> 00:44:32,870 and absolution from sin forever. 632 00:44:32,913 --> 00:44:35,350 Excellent. That's a very good definition. 633 00:44:35,394 --> 00:44:38,223 Yes, you got right to the heart of the matter. Thank you. 634 00:44:38,266 --> 00:44:41,008 But you sidestepped several thousand years of disagreement 635 00:44:41,052 --> 00:44:43,054 over how you actually get there. 636 00:44:43,097 --> 00:44:45,970 I'm with Jesus, so I'm covered, thanks. 637 00:44:47,145 --> 00:44:49,625 Are you sure about that? What does that mean? 638 00:44:49,669 --> 00:44:51,497 Nothing. I'm... I'm just asking. 639 00:44:51,540 --> 00:44:53,847 As I said, I'd like this interview to be about you. 640 00:44:53,891 --> 00:44:57,503 I answered your question, so... salvation. 641 00:44:57,546 --> 00:44:59,026 Salvation. Okay. 642 00:44:59,070 --> 00:45:02,551 So, for the sake of... for the sake of discussion, 643 00:45:02,595 --> 00:45:07,382 let's pretend that I am a manufacturer and you are a consumer, 644 00:45:07,426 --> 00:45:11,386 and you tell me, how would you rate the product. 645 00:45:15,086 --> 00:45:17,175 Salvation as the product? 646 00:45:18,611 --> 00:45:22,006 You've gotta be kidding me. No, I'm not kidding. 647 00:45:22,049 --> 00:45:24,399 Just pretend that it's market research. 648 00:45:24,443 --> 00:45:26,837 You've done this many times before, I'm sure. 649 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,795 It's just another online survey. 650 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,972 How do you rate the product? 651 00:45:35,106 --> 00:45:36,803 Okay. Let's find out. 652 00:45:38,065 --> 00:45:40,589 On the one hand, it's the greatest product ever. 653 00:45:40,633 --> 00:45:42,330 Redemption from sin? 654 00:45:42,374 --> 00:45:45,420 Reunification with God for eternity after a lifetime on earth? 655 00:45:45,464 --> 00:45:48,584 Who wouldn't want that product? If that doesn't sell itself, nothing ever will. 656 00:45:48,609 --> 00:45:51,122 Well, I'm glad you approve. 657 00:45:51,165 --> 00:45:53,994 On the other hand... On the other hand, what? 658 00:45:54,038 --> 00:45:56,431 On the other hand, it's the only product I can think of 659 00:45:56,475 --> 00:45:59,260 where proper use involves returning it to the maker. 660 00:45:59,304 --> 00:46:01,828 And there's really only one way that can happen. 661 00:46:01,872 --> 00:46:03,569 Everybody wants to get to heaven... 662 00:46:03,612 --> 00:46:05,789 But no one wants to die. Exactly. 663 00:46:05,832 --> 00:46:10,445 That slight complication is mitigated by the fact that everyone will die. 664 00:46:10,489 --> 00:46:13,666 So it's really just about the when... the product... not the what. 665 00:46:13,709 --> 00:46:15,755 I knew you'd be good at this. 666 00:46:15,799 --> 00:46:18,192 Yeah. I should've been a marketing major. 667 00:46:18,236 --> 00:46:20,978 So, moving on... But what else? 668 00:46:23,371 --> 00:46:24,808 Really? 669 00:46:24,851 --> 00:46:26,679 There's one aspect that you left out, 670 00:46:26,722 --> 00:46:29,595 the one that I mentioned in the first place... the how. 671 00:46:29,638 --> 00:46:32,685 Or we can call it instructions, just to stay with our metaphor. 672 00:46:32,728 --> 00:46:35,819 Okay, but really, after this, we have to move on. 673 00:46:35,862 --> 00:46:37,168 Okay. 674 00:46:39,474 --> 00:46:42,173 Okay, well, the instructions. 675 00:46:43,565 --> 00:46:46,481 The instructions are widely available, so that's good. 676 00:46:46,525 --> 00:46:50,137 The Bible's a best seller year after year, but... 677 00:46:50,181 --> 00:46:51,835 But... 678 00:46:53,227 --> 00:46:55,229 I think the instructions are a little confusing. 679 00:46:55,273 --> 00:46:58,232 Well, no one ever said knowing my will would be easy. Right. 680 00:46:58,276 --> 00:47:00,539 But knowing God's will isn't really the problem, is it? 681 00:47:00,582 --> 00:47:03,020 The scriptures are full of rules. Yes, they are. 682 00:47:03,063 --> 00:47:05,892 I can think of ten just off the top of my head. 683 00:47:05,936 --> 00:47:07,981 Right, but that's the Old Testament, the Torah. 684 00:47:08,025 --> 00:47:09,635 The New Testament is different. 685 00:47:09,678 --> 00:47:12,116 God gave us his son. That was a game-changer. Indeed it was. 686 00:47:12,159 --> 00:47:14,422 Jesus was super-clear. John 14:6. 687 00:47:14,466 --> 00:47:17,077 "I am the way. No one comes to the Father but through me." 688 00:47:17,121 --> 00:47:18,383 Seems very clear to me. 689 00:47:18,426 --> 00:47:19,993 But that can't be right. No? 690 00:47:20,037 --> 00:47:22,996 Because everyone's a sinner. Yes. 691 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,870 If we're saved through faith and faith alone, why would anyone follow all the other rules? 692 00:47:26,913 --> 00:47:28,654 But is faith all it takes? 693 00:47:28,697 --> 00:47:31,178 You're a murderer. So what? Liar? No problem. 694 00:47:31,222 --> 00:47:33,180 Philanderer? Hey, everyone makes mistakes. 695 00:47:33,224 --> 00:47:36,227 So what's the problem? The problem is... 696 00:47:40,144 --> 00:47:41,623 The problem is... 697 00:47:42,798 --> 00:47:44,365 The problem is what, Paul? Sorry. 698 00:47:44,409 --> 00:47:46,933 This keeps happening. I'm not the story. We agreed. 699 00:47:46,977 --> 00:47:49,675 Check the record. I never agreed to that. 700 00:47:51,546 --> 00:47:54,810 What do you want? I mean, really. What is this all about? 701 00:47:54,854 --> 00:47:58,118 It seems like you want something from me. I have no idea what it is. 702 00:47:58,162 --> 00:48:01,774 Now you see why the burning bush worked so well. I talk, people listen. 703 00:48:01,817 --> 00:48:03,428 I agreed to meet with you 704 00:48:03,471 --> 00:48:06,387 because it was an intriguing prospect, an idea for an interview, 705 00:48:06,431 --> 00:48:08,955 and I think I have given you the benefit of the doubt. 706 00:48:08,999 --> 00:48:11,958 But it's clear to me now you had some other hidden agenda for this. 707 00:48:12,002 --> 00:48:15,788 This, whatever this is. Really, give me something. What do you want from me? 708 00:48:15,831 --> 00:48:17,964 My math skills didn't impress you? 709 00:48:18,008 --> 00:48:20,793 No, that was impressive, but there are people who can do that stuff. 710 00:48:20,836 --> 00:48:22,099 Okay. Savants, I guess. 711 00:48:22,142 --> 00:48:25,058 Right. Okay. I'll give you something. 712 00:48:25,102 --> 00:48:28,627 But you may not like it. Finally. 713 00:48:28,670 --> 00:48:30,629 Okay, hit me. All right. 714 00:48:30,672 --> 00:48:35,764 No offense, but I think you have a misunderstanding about the nature of faith. 715 00:48:35,808 --> 00:48:39,290 I don't think that's true. I told you I've always had faith. 716 00:48:39,333 --> 00:48:40,682 There it is. 717 00:48:42,510 --> 00:48:44,208 You see? 718 00:48:44,251 --> 00:48:47,733 "I've always had faith." 719 00:48:47,776 --> 00:48:50,127 Paul, do you see what I mean? 720 00:48:50,170 --> 00:48:52,129 No, not really. What are you saying? 721 00:48:53,043 --> 00:48:55,436 Okay, we'll get back to that. 722 00:48:57,090 --> 00:48:59,440 Paul, do you... do you ever think 723 00:48:59,484 --> 00:49:02,704 of what the world is like from my perspective? 724 00:49:05,403 --> 00:49:08,710 From God's perspective? 725 00:49:09,711 --> 00:49:11,235 Frankly, no. 726 00:49:11,278 --> 00:49:13,498 How would I even do that? How would that be possible? 727 00:49:13,541 --> 00:49:15,804 Well, fair enough. 728 00:49:15,848 --> 00:49:20,635 But try to imagine knowing every human deed, 729 00:49:20,679 --> 00:49:26,163 every thought, aspiration, depravity. 730 00:49:27,338 --> 00:49:30,689 But also knowing all the isolation 731 00:49:30,732 --> 00:49:34,736 and the... the pain and the emptiness of life. 732 00:49:36,347 --> 00:49:40,525 Now, multiply that times every human soul that ever existed. 733 00:49:42,179 --> 00:49:45,051 I wouldn't want that job. Why not? 734 00:49:48,054 --> 00:49:50,535 Because it would be overwhelming. 735 00:49:50,578 --> 00:49:53,625 The world is full of such terrible things. 736 00:49:53,668 --> 00:49:56,454 I work for a newspaper. I see it every day. 737 00:49:56,497 --> 00:49:57,890 Horrible things. 738 00:49:57,933 --> 00:50:01,676 Things that come crashing down on decent people. 739 00:50:01,720 --> 00:50:05,854 People with dignity who only want to know why it's happening to them. 740 00:50:05,898 --> 00:50:07,595 What would I say to them? 741 00:50:07,639 --> 00:50:09,684 "Trust me"? 742 00:50:09,728 --> 00:50:11,686 "I have a plan"? 743 00:50:11,730 --> 00:50:14,341 No, thanks. 744 00:50:14,385 --> 00:50:18,867 All that misery in the world would break my heart. 745 00:50:20,869 --> 00:50:23,089 But tell me, 746 00:50:23,133 --> 00:50:24,786 why would you care? 747 00:50:27,224 --> 00:50:29,095 All right, what do you mean, why? 748 00:50:29,139 --> 00:50:31,054 Why would it break your heart? 749 00:50:32,055 --> 00:50:34,100 Because I care. 750 00:50:34,144 --> 00:50:36,581 I have compassion for my fellow human beings. 751 00:50:36,624 --> 00:50:39,149 And where does that morality come from? 752 00:50:40,411 --> 00:50:42,804 I'm sure the answer you're looking for is "from God," 753 00:50:42,848 --> 00:50:44,980 but, really, I have no idea. 754 00:50:45,024 --> 00:50:49,028 Free will perhaps, Paul? 755 00:50:49,072 --> 00:50:51,770 Free will exists. 756 00:50:51,813 --> 00:50:55,078 And it wouldn't be much of a morality if I forced you to have it, Paul. 757 00:50:55,121 --> 00:50:57,210 Okay. Good to know. It's all me. 758 00:50:57,254 --> 00:51:00,561 So, when do we get to the part I won't like? 759 00:51:01,997 --> 00:51:04,043 Paul, if you think faith is enough... 760 00:51:04,087 --> 00:51:07,133 I mean, it's not, but if you do, 761 00:51:07,177 --> 00:51:09,918 would you just start being an immoral person? 762 00:51:09,962 --> 00:51:12,747 How do you know I'm not an immoral person? Because you just told me. 763 00:51:12,791 --> 00:51:15,141 You said you have compassion, and I believe you. 764 00:51:16,534 --> 00:51:18,362 So, what could you possibly do 765 00:51:18,405 --> 00:51:21,278 that would be beyond my powers to forgive you? 766 00:51:33,464 --> 00:51:36,423 Paul, I just asked you a very important question. 767 00:51:36,467 --> 00:51:39,296 I... I don't want to talk about this. 768 00:51:39,339 --> 00:51:41,167 Can we change the subject, please? 769 00:51:41,950 --> 00:51:42,950 Why? 770 00:51:48,261 --> 00:51:49,784 Why? Because it's personal. 771 00:51:49,825 --> 00:51:51,545 But you have no secrets from me. Yeah, I do. 772 00:51:51,569 --> 00:51:53,962 No, you don't. Yeah, I do. 773 00:51:54,006 --> 00:51:56,139 And my life is not the topic of this conversation. 774 00:51:56,182 --> 00:51:59,533 But it really is, Paul. I don't know how many more ways I can say this. 775 00:51:59,577 --> 00:52:01,709 But you need to start hearing me. Okay. 776 00:52:01,753 --> 00:52:04,190 We've done enough for today. Thank you. All right, all right. 777 00:52:04,234 --> 00:52:06,149 You can ask me anything you want. 778 00:52:06,192 --> 00:52:09,500 That's what I've been doing, but it doesn't really get me anywhere. 779 00:52:09,543 --> 00:52:12,024 I've been more than deferential to your claim of who you are, 780 00:52:12,067 --> 00:52:15,158 but I keep asking questions, and you keep giving me these evasive answers. 781 00:52:15,201 --> 00:52:16,724 You've been asking very good questions, 782 00:52:16,768 --> 00:52:18,488 and I'm trying to answer them as best I can. 783 00:52:18,513 --> 00:52:20,598 Best for who? For you, of course. 784 00:52:20,641 --> 00:52:23,281 If that's what you think, then we did get to the part I don't like. 785 00:52:23,306 --> 00:52:25,907 Well, it can get a lot worse than that. I really don't see how. 786 00:52:25,951 --> 00:52:29,998 Well, how about we talk about your marriage? No! 787 00:52:30,042 --> 00:52:34,220 No, we really can't, and it's inappropriate you would bring that into the conversation! 788 00:52:34,264 --> 00:52:36,440 My personal life is off-limits, 789 00:52:36,483 --> 00:52:38,181 and that goes double for my marriage. 790 00:52:38,224 --> 00:52:40,835 And you're sure about that? 791 00:52:40,879 --> 00:52:42,924 Are you... 792 00:52:42,968 --> 00:52:45,188 Did someone put you up to this? Is that...? 793 00:52:45,231 --> 00:52:46,928 Paul, you're just being paranoid. 794 00:52:46,972 --> 00:52:50,193 - I'm just here to help. - Thanks, but I can manage my own affairs. 795 00:52:50,236 --> 00:52:52,847 You can? I can manage! 796 00:52:52,891 --> 00:52:57,330 Why are you doing this? Is this what you do to people? 797 00:52:57,374 --> 00:53:00,246 Is this what you do? Go around talking crap? 798 00:53:00,290 --> 00:53:03,162 Why am I here? 799 00:53:03,206 --> 00:53:06,034 I get that question too many times. I mean, here. 800 00:53:06,078 --> 00:53:08,123 In this theater. Why am I here? 801 00:53:08,167 --> 00:53:11,344 'Cause I would like to help you if you will let me. 802 00:53:11,388 --> 00:53:13,781 Thanks. I've got it covered. Everything's under control. 803 00:53:13,825 --> 00:53:17,481 Okay then. Yeah. Well, that's... that's very good to hear 804 00:53:17,524 --> 00:53:20,484 because you are about out of time. 805 00:53:20,527 --> 00:53:23,878 I had five more minutes, but I'm happy to forfeit that time to the next prophet. 806 00:53:23,922 --> 00:53:27,404 No, Paul. I mean, you are about out of time. 807 00:53:28,666 --> 00:53:30,842 - What are you saying? - Just that. 808 00:53:32,409 --> 00:53:35,281 Out of time. That's cryptic. What does that even mean? 809 00:53:49,643 --> 00:53:52,733 - You're saying... - Yes. 810 00:54:02,613 --> 00:54:04,745 - Are you saying...? - Yes. 811 00:54:04,789 --> 00:54:07,270 I'm very sorry. 812 00:54:10,447 --> 00:54:13,754 - This is a joke. - No. No joke, Paul. 813 00:54:14,886 --> 00:54:16,017 I'm sorry. 814 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,325 Sick joke. 815 00:54:21,327 --> 00:54:22,807 Why would you tell me that? 816 00:54:25,157 --> 00:54:28,508 Because you said so yourself, Paul. 817 00:54:28,552 --> 00:54:31,511 Dying is just about the when. 818 00:54:31,555 --> 00:54:33,774 So why can't the when be now? 819 00:54:33,818 --> 00:54:36,342 This interview is over. Well, we... we still have tomorrow. 820 00:54:36,386 --> 00:54:38,083 There is no tomorrow! 821 00:54:38,126 --> 00:54:40,446 I'll let you know where, just in case you change your mind. 822 00:54:40,477 --> 00:54:44,872 I'm pretty sure I won't. I don't even know why I agreed to this. 823 00:54:44,916 --> 00:54:47,135 You prayed, Paul. You asked for help. 824 00:54:47,179 --> 00:54:49,834 That's why I'm here, and I thought an interview would be a place 825 00:54:49,877 --> 00:54:52,010 where a journalist would be comfortable. 826 00:54:52,053 --> 00:54:55,187 Well, congratulations. You got that exactly wrong. 827 00:54:55,230 --> 00:54:57,058 I'm not comfortable at all with this. 828 00:54:57,102 --> 00:54:59,496 Salvation is real, Paul, 829 00:54:59,539 --> 00:55:01,454 and it can still happen for you, 830 00:55:01,498 --> 00:55:05,458 but you need to understand something very important. 831 00:55:05,502 --> 00:55:07,721 Faith isn't something that you can just have. 832 00:55:07,765 --> 00:55:09,593 Not in the conventional sense. 833 00:55:09,636 --> 00:55:13,161 Because faith isn't the goal. 834 00:55:13,205 --> 00:55:15,555 Faith is the process. 835 00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:17,427 It's a lot like a marriage. 836 00:55:17,470 --> 00:55:21,126 The vows you take aren't the end. They're just the beginning. 837 00:55:22,432 --> 00:55:25,957 It takes time and dedication... every day. 838 00:55:33,399 --> 00:55:34,879 Paul? 839 00:55:36,402 --> 00:55:37,969 Paul! 840 00:55:39,623 --> 00:55:42,582 Would you like to know when it will happen? 841 00:55:46,369 --> 00:55:47,892 No. 842 00:57:15,370 --> 00:57:17,590 What... What are you doing here? 843 00:57:17,634 --> 00:57:19,418 You never called me back. 844 00:57:19,462 --> 00:57:21,289 Yeah. 845 00:57:21,333 --> 00:57:24,945 I'm... I'm sorry. I had a bad day yesterday, and... 846 00:57:24,989 --> 00:57:26,991 I know. That's why I called you. 847 00:57:28,471 --> 00:57:31,909 Hey. Hello. It's nice to see you. 848 00:57:33,258 --> 00:57:34,781 I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Hi. 849 00:57:34,825 --> 00:57:38,611 Can we... can we take this... 850 00:57:38,655 --> 00:57:41,048 Okay. 851 00:57:41,092 --> 00:57:43,486 Nobody knew where you were, and you didn't answer your cell. 852 00:57:43,529 --> 00:57:46,837 I was in a meeting. I had it turned off. I'm sorry. 853 00:57:55,672 --> 00:57:57,412 Do you want to talk about yesterday? 854 00:57:57,456 --> 00:57:59,806 No, not really. 855 00:57:59,850 --> 00:58:01,982 Don't you think we should? 856 00:58:02,722 --> 00:58:04,158 Okay, what's on your mind? 857 00:58:05,551 --> 00:58:07,597 Why are you talking to me like that? 858 00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,121 Like I'm other people. She just left me yesterday. 859 00:58:10,164 --> 00:58:12,689 Can I get a... some breathing room? Please? 860 00:58:12,732 --> 00:58:15,474 I know. I'm... I'm just worried about you. 861 00:58:15,518 --> 00:58:18,346 I know. I'm sorry. I know you are. 862 00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:19,870 It's just... 863 00:58:21,611 --> 00:58:23,830 Do you want me to leave? 864 00:58:23,874 --> 00:58:26,485 Paul, you know this wasn't your fault, right? 865 00:58:26,529 --> 00:58:29,270 It wasn't anyone's fault. 866 00:58:29,314 --> 00:58:31,664 Of course, it's my fault. 867 00:58:31,708 --> 00:58:34,580 Why does it have to be someone's fault? 868 00:58:34,624 --> 00:58:37,017 Things happen in the universe, Paul, in life. 869 00:58:37,061 --> 00:58:39,672 Well, you know, I have a slightly different perspective on that. 870 00:58:39,716 --> 00:58:43,981 I know, and it's one of the things I've always loved about you. 871 00:58:44,024 --> 00:58:47,201 You have a strength and a certainty that I've never had. 872 00:58:47,245 --> 00:58:49,421 But this... 873 00:58:49,464 --> 00:58:51,162 This was my fault. 874 00:58:51,205 --> 00:58:52,206 How? 875 00:58:53,468 --> 00:58:56,167 I never should have gone away. 876 00:58:56,210 --> 00:58:57,777 Where? To Afghanistan? 877 00:58:57,821 --> 00:59:00,388 It was stupid. I never thought it through, what might happen. 878 00:59:00,432 --> 00:59:01,738 I was stupid. 879 00:59:01,781 --> 00:59:04,654 - Is that what you think? - Yes, it's what I think. 880 00:59:05,568 --> 00:59:07,526 No, Paul. 881 00:59:07,570 --> 00:59:08,745 What? 882 00:59:10,311 --> 00:59:11,617 What? 883 00:59:11,661 --> 00:59:13,750 Sarah had the affair before you left. 884 00:59:26,110 --> 00:59:28,155 Oh, God. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. 885 00:59:28,199 --> 00:59:30,331 I thought you knew. Give me a minute, please. 886 00:59:30,375 --> 00:59:33,421 Give me a minute. Just give me some space! Please. 887 00:59:33,465 --> 00:59:35,554 Sorry! 888 00:59:35,598 --> 00:59:38,035 What's happening here? Call you back. 889 00:59:38,078 --> 00:59:40,341 Whatever it is, why is it happening in my office? 890 00:59:40,385 --> 00:59:43,257 I'm sorry. Hi. I'm Grace. 891 00:59:43,301 --> 00:59:46,783 I'm Paul's sister-in-law. Sarah's sister. 892 00:59:48,785 --> 00:59:50,482 Hi.A fan of your sister. 893 00:59:50,525 --> 00:59:53,528 Thanks. I'm sorry. 894 00:59:53,572 --> 00:59:55,443 We totally stole your office. 895 00:59:55,487 --> 00:59:57,097 Yes, you did. 896 00:59:57,141 --> 00:59:59,447 Would you mind giving us a couple of minutes? 897 00:59:59,491 --> 01:00:01,841 I'm sorry. Paul? 898 01:00:01,885 --> 01:00:03,887 Is that all right, Gary? 899 01:00:03,930 --> 01:00:07,934 All right. Hey, I got that name for your friend, okay? 900 01:00:07,978 --> 01:00:10,981 Number's right here. They'll see him today if he can make it. 901 01:00:12,025 --> 01:00:14,854 - I'll leave it here. - Thank you. 902 01:00:18,510 --> 01:00:21,992 He doesn't know? 903 01:00:23,167 --> 01:00:24,385 No. 904 01:00:24,429 --> 01:00:26,692 It might help if you start talking to someone. 905 01:00:26,736 --> 01:00:28,476 If not me, someone else. 906 01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:33,307 I want to talk to Sarah about it, but she's not returning my calls. 907 01:00:33,351 --> 01:00:36,876 I don't even know where she is. For all I know, she could be with that other guy. 908 01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:38,965 No, she's... she's not. She's not. 909 01:00:39,009 --> 01:00:41,664 That's over. How do you know? 910 01:00:41,707 --> 01:00:43,361 'Cause she's staying with me. 911 01:00:44,492 --> 01:00:45,755 What? Why didn't you tell me? 912 01:00:45,798 --> 01:00:47,670 Paul, please. 913 01:00:47,713 --> 01:00:49,497 Could you please get her to call me back? 914 01:00:49,541 --> 01:00:51,586 I can't. I'm sorry. 915 01:00:51,630 --> 01:00:53,850 - You've got to be patient. - Why? 916 01:00:53,893 --> 01:00:56,635 You just have to give her time. Give her time? 917 01:00:56,679 --> 01:00:59,899 How much time? A day? A week? A month? 918 01:00:59,943 --> 01:01:02,336 Paul, come on. I've known you since I was 18. 919 01:01:02,380 --> 01:01:05,557 Sarah marrying you was the best thing she ever did. 920 01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:07,733 And we will always be family. 921 01:01:07,777 --> 01:01:09,866 That's why I'm here today. 922 01:01:09,909 --> 01:01:12,216 I don't know why this happened, but... 923 01:01:13,608 --> 01:01:16,394 You should really talk to someone. 924 01:01:16,437 --> 01:01:18,004 Yeah, I will. 925 01:01:18,048 --> 01:01:21,355 - Promise? - I promise. Yeah. 926 01:01:21,399 --> 01:01:24,707 Yeah. I appreciate you coming by. Thank you. 927 01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:28,145 - Hug? - Yeah. 928 01:01:44,465 --> 01:01:46,859 Hey, Matt. It's me. 929 01:01:46,903 --> 01:01:48,861 Yeah, that's why I'm calling actually. 930 01:01:48,905 --> 01:01:50,776 You know what? I'm going to text it to you. 931 01:01:50,820 --> 01:01:54,345 They said if you can make it, they'll see you right away. Today. 932 01:01:56,564 --> 01:01:58,088 Yeah. 933 01:02:00,177 --> 01:02:03,267 Okay. Good luck. Let me know how it goes. Give me a call after. 934 01:02:03,310 --> 01:02:05,051 Okay? 935 01:02:05,095 --> 01:02:08,663 Can I ask for a favor? A big favor? 936 01:02:08,707 --> 01:02:11,362 I'm doing this interview, and it's getting kind of weird. 937 01:02:12,972 --> 01:02:15,235 Well, that's the thing. I don't know. 938 01:02:15,279 --> 01:02:17,760 If I send you a head shot, could you check it out, 939 01:02:17,803 --> 01:02:19,544 run it through the database or something? 940 01:02:19,587 --> 01:02:21,285 Is that possible? 941 01:02:22,460 --> 01:02:24,679 Really? 942 01:02:24,723 --> 01:02:27,595 No, that's perfect. Tomorrow's fine. 943 01:02:27,639 --> 01:02:29,206 Okay. Bye. 944 01:02:30,990 --> 01:02:33,427 What's going on? 945 01:02:34,951 --> 01:02:36,996 Look, I'm sorry, Gary. What's wrong? 946 01:02:38,693 --> 01:02:40,521 Is there a problem with the story? 947 01:02:43,655 --> 01:02:45,439 Talk to me. 948 01:02:46,484 --> 01:02:48,529 Sarah just left me. 949 01:02:48,573 --> 01:02:50,096 Yesterday. 950 01:02:50,140 --> 01:02:52,925 I'm sorry. Why didn't you say something? 951 01:02:52,969 --> 01:02:54,884 It's been bad since I got back. 952 01:02:54,927 --> 01:02:57,756 I should have said something. 953 01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:00,411 I don't know why. 954 01:03:00,454 --> 01:03:02,456 This about Afghanistan? 955 01:03:02,500 --> 01:03:07,766 I thought so, but now I think it might be a bigger problem, an older problem. 956 01:03:07,810 --> 01:03:09,637 I'm trying to figure it out. All right. 957 01:03:09,681 --> 01:03:13,685 Well, maybe it's time you take that break we talked about? 958 01:03:13,728 --> 01:03:15,905 Yeah. 959 01:03:16,731 --> 01:03:19,169 Yeah. I might. Okay, good. 960 01:03:19,212 --> 01:03:21,475 You think you can fix things with her? 961 01:03:21,519 --> 01:03:24,696 I don't know. Maybe I think she's better off without me. 962 01:03:24,739 --> 01:03:26,654 Don't say that. 963 01:03:26,698 --> 01:03:28,569 Never think that. 964 01:03:37,056 --> 01:03:40,320 You know, when Ann left me, I... I went a little crazy. 965 01:03:40,364 --> 01:03:43,149 I had thoughts I'd never had before. 966 01:03:43,193 --> 01:03:47,153 Crazy, weird thoughts. 967 01:03:47,197 --> 01:03:49,808 And then, you know, maybe some of it was from, 968 01:03:49,852 --> 01:03:51,810 like, the body blow, the hurt feelings. 969 01:03:51,854 --> 01:03:56,771 But the worst part of it for me was... was this crushing disappointment. 970 01:03:56,815 --> 01:03:58,425 Gary, I don't need you to-to-to... 971 01:03:58,469 --> 01:04:00,340 No, listen to me. Listen to this. 972 01:04:01,428 --> 01:04:04,779 I always had all kind of bad thoughts 973 01:04:04,823 --> 01:04:07,695 about what my life was gonna be like, 974 01:04:07,739 --> 01:04:09,262 like... like what could happen. 975 01:04:09,306 --> 01:04:12,352 I mean, poverty, horrible illness. You name it. 976 01:04:12,396 --> 01:04:16,704 But I never once imagined that my marriage might fail. 977 01:04:16,748 --> 01:04:18,750 What is that, naive? 978 01:04:18,793 --> 01:04:20,186 Is it? 979 01:04:20,230 --> 01:04:24,538 I mean, really, why couldn't it happen to me? 980 01:04:24,582 --> 01:04:26,540 Because I have faith? 981 01:04:26,584 --> 01:04:28,716 Does that make me special? 982 01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:30,980 Well, doesn't it? Yes. 983 01:04:31,981 --> 01:04:34,853 That's exactly it. It does. 984 01:04:34,897 --> 01:04:38,944 And it was faith that rescued Ann and me. 985 01:04:38,988 --> 01:04:41,947 Sure, we needed help, and it took time, 986 01:04:41,991 --> 01:04:44,994 but he was there for us when we needed him. 987 01:04:46,082 --> 01:04:49,215 So, you've just got to get right. 988 01:04:49,259 --> 01:04:51,391 Yeah, I know. I'm trying. 989 01:04:54,699 --> 01:04:56,919 You still love Sarah? 990 01:04:56,962 --> 01:04:59,747 You know I do. Okay. Okay. 991 01:04:59,791 --> 01:05:02,925 Then find your hope and fix this. 992 01:05:02,968 --> 01:05:04,578 You can do it. 993 01:05:05,666 --> 01:05:07,233 What if time were a factor? 994 01:05:07,277 --> 01:05:10,106 What? What is it? What are you talking about? 995 01:05:10,149 --> 01:05:11,934 I'm sorry. Forget I said that. 996 01:05:11,977 --> 01:05:14,153 It's just... Gary, this interview. 997 01:05:14,197 --> 01:05:16,503 It's... I don't know. 998 01:05:16,547 --> 01:05:19,158 It's... eating me up. 999 01:05:21,030 --> 01:05:25,077 Is that where you've been the past couple days? Yeah. It is. 1000 01:05:25,121 --> 01:05:27,645 It's really an interview? 1001 01:05:27,688 --> 01:05:29,603 Yeah. It is. Yeah. 1002 01:05:30,517 --> 01:05:32,563 With God? 1003 01:05:44,531 --> 01:05:46,011 Okay. 1004 01:05:46,055 --> 01:05:48,840 You already pitched it to the print edition, didn't you? 1005 01:05:48,883 --> 01:05:51,190 Yes. 1006 01:05:51,234 --> 01:05:54,498 - And they loved it. - Come on, Gary. Look at me. 1007 01:05:54,541 --> 01:05:57,718 My wife just left me. I'm crying my eyes out in your office. 1008 01:05:57,762 --> 01:06:00,547 It's possible I might need to deal with some stuff right now. 1009 01:06:00,591 --> 01:06:02,985 Listen, you sort it out. 1010 01:06:03,028 --> 01:06:05,074 You take care of you first. 1011 01:06:05,117 --> 01:06:06,989 And remember what I said. Get right. 1012 01:06:08,860 --> 01:06:10,514 Thanks, Gary. Yeah. 1013 01:06:39,108 --> 01:06:41,197 Come on, pick up, pick up. 1014 01:06:44,809 --> 01:06:48,204 I just nearly picked up. I wanted to speak to him. 1015 01:06:48,247 --> 01:06:50,380 Then why didn't you? 1016 01:06:50,423 --> 01:06:52,295 Because I destroyed my marriage. 1017 01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:57,996 Sarah. 1018 01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:00,564 Sarah, I'm struggling here, okay? I have to talk to you. 1019 01:07:00,607 --> 01:07:02,131 Could you call me back right away? 1020 01:07:02,174 --> 01:07:04,133 It's important. 1021 01:07:04,176 --> 01:07:06,091 Please call me back. 1022 01:07:06,135 --> 01:07:07,527 Okay. Bye. 1023 01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:10,661 Wait. What the...? 1024 01:07:13,142 --> 01:07:16,232 How many men take back a wife that cheated? 1025 01:07:17,755 --> 01:07:20,714 He was either working or at the theological library. 1026 01:07:23,065 --> 01:07:27,112 He stopped going to church and his men's group because he lost faith. 1027 01:07:27,156 --> 01:07:29,462 I made it about me. 1028 01:07:29,506 --> 01:07:30,855 He was gone. 1029 01:07:30,898 --> 01:07:33,858 - You don't know what I did. - I know you're human. 1030 01:07:46,827 --> 01:07:49,700 You know me, right? 1031 01:07:49,743 --> 01:07:54,226 You know I don't believe in all that pray-to-Jesus crap, 1032 01:07:54,270 --> 01:07:57,838 but... maybe you should. 1033 01:07:58,796 --> 01:08:01,277 You're telling me to pray? 1034 01:08:01,929 --> 01:08:04,018 Can't hurt. 1035 01:08:04,062 --> 01:08:05,803 It can't reverse what I did. 1036 01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:12,288 There's no going back from what I've done, ever. 1037 01:08:58,247 --> 01:08:59,900 All right. 1038 01:09:23,185 --> 01:09:27,014 Why is he showing himself rather than being hidden from me? 1039 01:09:30,801 --> 01:09:33,673 What am I to myself? No one loved me. 1040 01:09:33,717 --> 01:09:36,198 Who am I? 1041 01:09:38,243 --> 01:09:39,810 Okay. 1042 01:09:40,506 --> 01:09:41,551 Okay. 1043 01:10:07,490 --> 01:10:09,274 Can you hear me? 1044 01:10:15,454 --> 01:10:17,369 Why? Because it's personal. 1045 01:10:17,413 --> 01:10:19,129 But you have no secrets from me. 1046 01:10:19,153 --> 01:10:20,807 Yeah, I do. No, you don't. 1047 01:10:20,851 --> 01:10:24,289 Yeah, I do. My life is not the topic of this conversation. 1048 01:10:24,333 --> 01:10:26,335 But it really is, Paul. 1049 01:10:26,378 --> 01:10:29,578 I don't know how many more ways I can say this, but you need to start hearing me. 1050 01:10:29,603 --> 01:10:30,513 Okay. 1051 01:10:30,556 --> 01:10:32,556 We've done enough for today. Thank you. All right. 1052 01:11:32,444 --> 01:11:34,359 - Welcome back. - Thank you. 1053 01:11:40,409 --> 01:11:43,107 I have some more questions. 1054 01:11:45,196 --> 01:11:47,981 Today is our last interview, 1055 01:11:48,025 --> 01:11:50,375 and I want to come to some conclusions. 1056 01:11:50,419 --> 01:11:52,508 Good. So do I. 1057 01:11:54,988 --> 01:11:56,903 I got it. All right. 1058 01:11:56,947 --> 01:11:58,383 Thank you. 1059 01:12:01,778 --> 01:12:03,997 Okay, recording. Friday, June 3. 1060 01:12:04,041 --> 01:12:05,695 Last interview. 1061 01:12:12,354 --> 01:12:15,400 Your Italian is very good. Loyola Rome, junior year abroad. 1062 01:12:15,444 --> 01:12:18,011 Well, that's time well spent. 1063 01:12:18,055 --> 01:12:20,927 You gave me some pretty disturbing news yesterday. 1064 01:12:20,971 --> 01:12:23,190 Was it news? 1065 01:12:23,234 --> 01:12:26,234 You keep saying that you're here because I prayed, that you're here to help. 1066 01:12:26,259 --> 01:12:28,413 That's right. And yet you told me I'm gonna die. 1067 01:12:28,457 --> 01:12:30,981 How does that help me? You're a journalist. 1068 01:12:31,024 --> 01:12:33,723 Surely you appreciate the value of a deadline. 1069 01:12:35,551 --> 01:12:39,642 Sorry. I knew it would get you back here. So it was just manipulation? 1070 01:12:39,685 --> 01:12:43,515 No, motivation is the word I'd use, and here you are. 1071 01:12:43,559 --> 01:12:45,082 You were pushing me? Yes, of course. 1072 01:12:45,125 --> 01:12:46,953 Like you've been pushing me from the start? 1073 01:12:46,997 --> 01:12:50,174 - Well, maybe you needed a push. - Is that your job? 1074 01:12:50,217 --> 01:12:55,222 Paul, I told you, I play an active role in the lives of all my children. 1075 01:12:55,266 --> 01:12:58,791 So let's stop wasting time on things you already know, and let's move on. 1076 01:12:58,835 --> 01:13:00,880 Shall we? 1077 01:13:00,924 --> 01:13:03,492 And you can cross that first question off your list. 1078 01:13:08,453 --> 01:13:10,890 Is God just a clockmaker? 1079 01:13:10,934 --> 01:13:12,588 Now you know. 1080 01:13:14,677 --> 01:13:16,940 So, this is how it works when God answers your prayers? 1081 01:13:16,983 --> 01:13:19,508 I never said I was here to answer your prayers. Right. 1082 01:13:19,551 --> 01:13:22,380 You said you came because I prayed, so maybe you can see my confusion. 1083 01:13:22,424 --> 01:13:26,297 But apparently it was just to deliver some bad news, right? 1084 01:13:26,340 --> 01:13:28,473 'Cause, you know, I feel fine. 1085 01:13:28,517 --> 01:13:30,606 Are you here to bargain with me? 1086 01:13:31,563 --> 01:13:34,174 No. Well, good. 1087 01:13:34,218 --> 01:13:36,786 Good. Then let's move on. 1088 01:13:37,526 --> 01:13:39,397 Sure. 1089 01:13:39,441 --> 01:13:42,879 Let's talk about salvation. That's not on your list for today, is it? 1090 01:13:42,922 --> 01:13:45,447 No. Anyway, we discussed it yesterday. 1091 01:13:45,490 --> 01:13:48,754 I have more questions. I think we covered it pretty well. 1092 01:13:48,798 --> 01:13:50,582 It's a big topic. I know. 1093 01:13:50,626 --> 01:13:52,758 A big topic for my readers. Mine too. 1094 01:13:52,802 --> 01:13:55,065 Okay. So, what's the problem? 1095 01:13:55,108 --> 01:13:57,502 Apparently, we didn't delve deeply enough. 1096 01:13:57,546 --> 01:14:00,287 Well, you know, now it feels just a little more personal to me. 1097 01:14:00,331 --> 01:14:01,985 I thought it might. 1098 01:14:03,856 --> 01:14:07,207 Really? That's all you got for me? 1099 01:14:07,251 --> 01:14:09,906 What more do you want? I don't know. Some answers. 1100 01:14:11,821 --> 01:14:13,518 What was the question again? 1101 01:14:13,562 --> 01:14:17,043 That's just perfect. See, this is what drives good people nuts. 1102 01:14:17,087 --> 01:14:18,958 We try to be good people, try to please you, 1103 01:14:19,002 --> 01:14:21,134 and we need some answers, and where did you go? 1104 01:14:21,178 --> 01:14:24,398 Do you have any idea how that feels... like you're being judged every single day? 1105 01:14:24,442 --> 01:14:26,357 All we want is some peace of mind, 1106 01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:28,760 but it's like you're... I don't know... some cosmic killjoy. 1107 01:14:28,785 --> 01:14:31,536 Good, good. Well, now we're getting somewhere. 1108 01:14:31,580 --> 01:14:33,843 Doesn't really seem like it. 1109 01:14:33,886 --> 01:14:35,714 Paul, you think salvation is a burden? 1110 01:14:37,063 --> 01:14:40,110 Yes. But it's not. It's a gift. 1111 01:14:40,153 --> 01:14:44,984 You and I remember my Sunday school education a little differently. 1112 01:14:45,028 --> 01:14:47,770 All right. Let me try to clear it up for you. Please do. 1113 01:14:47,813 --> 01:14:50,033 You're one of my children. So you said. 1114 01:14:50,076 --> 01:14:52,470 Now, when you're a child, your parents have rules, right? 1115 01:14:52,514 --> 01:14:54,037 Of course. 1116 01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:55,865 Now, as you grow up, what happens? 1117 01:14:55,908 --> 01:15:00,565 You mean, with my parents? Yes. What changes for you, with your parents? 1118 01:15:00,609 --> 01:15:03,655 I don't know. Less rules, more responsibilities. Is that what you mean? 1119 01:15:03,699 --> 01:15:05,788 Yes, and more freedoms too, right? Sure. 1120 01:15:05,831 --> 01:15:08,442 So... I mean, do you see? 1121 01:15:08,486 --> 01:15:11,576 No! What do you... I'm sorry. Are we... 1122 01:15:11,620 --> 01:15:13,578 We're still talking about salvation or...? 1123 01:15:13,622 --> 01:15:16,059 All right. Let me put it in a biblical context. 1124 01:15:16,102 --> 01:15:18,104 In the early days, men were wicked. 1125 01:15:18,148 --> 01:15:20,063 Yes, and that didn't work out too well for them. 1126 01:15:20,106 --> 01:15:22,718 No, salvation wasn't possible then like it is now. 1127 01:15:22,761 --> 01:15:25,459 But I gave you another chance. A new set of rules. 1128 01:15:25,503 --> 01:15:26,852 Moses. That's right. 1129 01:15:26,896 --> 01:15:28,854 Now, the law was clear, 1130 01:15:28,898 --> 01:15:32,031 but still the path to me was indirect and difficult. 1131 01:15:32,075 --> 01:15:35,034 But all that changed one day long ago in Bethlehem. 1132 01:15:35,078 --> 01:15:38,255 And it was good news. But it was also the start of a new covenant. 1133 01:15:38,298 --> 01:15:40,779 A new way. Yes. 1134 01:15:40,823 --> 01:15:43,782 For example, Moses had ten commandments, 1135 01:15:43,826 --> 01:15:46,002 but later Jesus only mentioned six on two occasions. 1136 01:15:46,045 --> 01:15:48,221 I know the controversy. Yes. 1137 01:15:48,265 --> 01:15:52,399 Now, when asked how a man can enter heaven, Jesus said, "You shall not murder." 1138 01:15:52,443 --> 01:15:55,838 You shall not steal. You shall not commit adultery. 1139 01:15:55,881 --> 01:15:58,057 You shall not bear false witness. 1140 01:15:58,101 --> 01:16:00,886 "Honor thy father and mother. Love your neighbor as yourself." 1141 01:16:00,930 --> 01:16:03,106 In Matthew and Mark. Yes, I know. 1142 01:16:03,149 --> 01:16:05,978 He left four off the list. The first four. Yes, I know. 1143 01:16:06,022 --> 01:16:08,894 Yes, the four that deal with man's relationship to God. 1144 01:16:08,938 --> 01:16:11,941 Now, what does that tell you? 1145 01:16:11,984 --> 01:16:15,205 I'll assume it's not a typo. Now come on. Think about it. 1146 01:16:15,248 --> 01:16:19,122 What's more likely... Jesus just forgot four of the Ten Commandments, 1147 01:16:19,165 --> 01:16:22,255 or Jesus knew the world was changing, that he was changing it, 1148 01:16:22,299 --> 01:16:24,693 and he didn't feel he needed to remind his followers 1149 01:16:24,736 --> 01:16:29,001 that the Sabbath Day is holy, or that there is only one true God? 1150 01:16:29,045 --> 01:16:31,787 And was he right? About what? 1151 01:16:31,830 --> 01:16:33,745 God. Well, look around. 1152 01:16:33,789 --> 01:16:36,139 Know many polytheists these days? 1153 01:16:40,317 --> 01:16:43,799 And you can cross that question off your list as well. 1154 01:16:45,409 --> 01:16:47,237 Are you the one true God? 1155 01:16:48,804 --> 01:16:50,980 Are we clear? 1156 01:16:52,546 --> 01:16:55,767 This is all very interesting, but I still don't see the me in it. 1157 01:16:55,811 --> 01:16:59,118 Okay. How's this for a headline? 1158 01:16:59,162 --> 01:17:03,122 Your life is not an audition for the afterlife, 1159 01:17:03,166 --> 01:17:05,690 and if you can stop worrying about that, 1160 01:17:05,734 --> 01:17:07,910 you just might have time for other things. 1161 01:17:07,953 --> 01:17:10,739 Things like loving one another and living your life. 1162 01:17:10,782 --> 01:17:12,915 However long that is. Yeah. 1163 01:17:12,958 --> 01:17:15,308 Paul, I've given you a great gift. 1164 01:17:15,352 --> 01:17:18,485 A new justification, a new responsibility. 1165 01:17:18,529 --> 01:17:22,707 But it's up to you to receive my gift before it's too late. 1166 01:17:22,751 --> 01:17:24,535 See, right there. 1167 01:17:24,578 --> 01:17:27,339 You say you're here to help me, but that kind of sounds like a threat. 1168 01:17:27,364 --> 01:17:29,801 Why can't I do two things at the same time? 1169 01:17:31,194 --> 01:17:33,109 For thousands of years, Paul, 1170 01:17:33,152 --> 01:17:36,155 I have been trying to help you find your way to me. 1171 01:17:36,199 --> 01:17:39,550 Now, did I always succeed? Well, ask Noah. 1172 01:17:39,593 --> 01:17:41,987 Was I too vengeful back then? Maybe. 1173 01:17:42,031 --> 01:17:45,164 But there's never a real threat without a real consequence. 1174 01:17:45,208 --> 01:17:47,036 So, you are here to threaten me. 1175 01:17:47,079 --> 01:17:48,733 Is that what you really think? 1176 01:17:48,777 --> 01:17:51,867 Either way, I'm hoping for a better outcome than in Noah's day. 1177 01:17:51,910 --> 01:17:55,305 Me too. Back then, it took a flood. 1178 01:17:55,348 --> 01:17:59,396 Now it's just you and me in this room with that digital recorder. 1179 01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:03,356 Not what comes to mind when you think divine intervention, is it? 1180 01:18:08,318 --> 01:18:10,233 No, not really. 1181 01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:17,022 You know, my editor was worried that I'm in danger. 1182 01:18:17,066 --> 01:18:19,068 I have the same concern. 1183 01:18:19,111 --> 01:18:21,984 I think he... I think he means danger from you. 1184 01:18:23,289 --> 01:18:24,856 Am I in danger? 1185 01:18:24,900 --> 01:18:28,425 What have we been talking about for the past three days, Paul? 1186 01:18:28,468 --> 01:18:29,426 You. Stop. 1187 01:18:29,469 --> 01:18:30,688 You. Please. 1188 01:18:30,732 --> 01:18:33,082 You're the one... Stop. Please, stop. 1189 01:18:33,125 --> 01:18:36,563 Pardon me? Please stop! 1190 01:18:36,607 --> 01:18:40,132 - You're upset. - Yes! It's been three days. Of course I'm upset. 1191 01:18:40,176 --> 01:18:42,047 What did you think my reaction would be? 1192 01:18:42,091 --> 01:18:45,007 - But you knew that, didn't you? Didn't you? - Yes. 1193 01:18:45,050 --> 01:18:48,924 - So you admit it. - I'm amazed you lasted this long. 1194 01:18:49,794 --> 01:18:52,231 Paul. 1195 01:18:52,275 --> 01:18:55,234 You thought you had an interview with the Almighty. 1196 01:18:55,278 --> 01:18:57,933 No one in their right mind would believe that. 1197 01:18:57,976 --> 01:19:01,327 But here you are, day three, back for more? 1198 01:19:01,371 --> 01:19:04,983 And please, don't hand me, "I thought it would be a good story," please. 1199 01:19:05,027 --> 01:19:07,116 Yeah, well, I did. Paul. 1200 01:19:07,159 --> 01:19:10,119 You are clearly in the midst of a personal crisis. 1201 01:19:10,162 --> 01:19:13,296 So, I come along, I offer you an interview with God, 1202 01:19:13,339 --> 01:19:15,864 and that's all it takes for you to bite? 1203 01:19:15,907 --> 01:19:19,128 Really? Paul, what does that tell you about yourself? 1204 01:19:19,171 --> 01:19:21,260 That's not fair. Fair? 1205 01:19:21,304 --> 01:19:23,872 I've been doing you a favor these past few days, Paul. 1206 01:19:23,915 --> 01:19:26,918 I've given you something to think about other than your own life. 1207 01:19:26,962 --> 01:19:29,181 So what, this is some big, elaborate con? 1208 01:19:29,225 --> 01:19:31,836 Would that really surprise you? 1209 01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:33,882 I can't believe this. You told me you were God. 1210 01:19:33,925 --> 01:19:35,840 That's right. 1211 01:19:35,884 --> 01:19:39,104 And if you didn't want it to be true, you and I would not be here right now. 1212 01:19:41,150 --> 01:19:44,240 You forgot to turn off your phone? Yeah. 1213 01:19:44,283 --> 01:19:46,851 And now you're leaving. Yes. 1214 01:20:21,755 --> 01:20:23,279 Excuse me. Hey. 1215 01:20:23,322 --> 01:20:25,107 Hi. Yes. Hi. What do you need? 1216 01:20:25,150 --> 01:20:28,458 - I was in this room, 22. - Sorry. In that room? 1217 01:20:28,501 --> 01:20:30,895 Yeah, do you know whose office this is? 1218 01:20:30,939 --> 01:20:33,332 I thought that was storage. No? 1219 01:20:39,948 --> 01:20:41,863 What do you know? 1220 01:20:41,906 --> 01:20:43,865 Who are you looking for? 1221 01:20:43,908 --> 01:20:45,388 Maybe they have the keys. 1222 01:20:46,650 --> 01:20:48,478 Never mind. Thank you. 1223 01:21:10,674 --> 01:21:13,677 Who are you? Have a seat, Paul. Let's talk about it. 1224 01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:16,027 - No. Tell me who you are. - I really think you should... 1225 01:21:16,071 --> 01:21:18,856 - Who are you? - You know who I am. 1226 01:21:18,900 --> 01:21:22,033 - The prince of lies? - Think back over the past three days, Paul. 1227 01:21:22,077 --> 01:21:24,993 - Have I told you one lie? - Yes. 1228 01:21:25,036 --> 01:21:27,256 No. I don't know. Well, which is it? 1229 01:21:27,299 --> 01:21:29,562 I don't know! Everything you said could have been a lie. 1230 01:21:29,606 --> 01:21:31,869 But every word was true, and you know it. 1231 01:21:31,913 --> 01:21:33,784 You told me you were God. Yes. 1232 01:21:33,827 --> 01:21:35,394 - The God. - That's right. 1233 01:21:35,438 --> 01:21:38,223 Bad news. According to my friend, you're dead. 1234 01:21:38,267 --> 01:21:41,052 I understand, but sometimes that's just how it looks. 1235 01:21:41,096 --> 01:21:43,750 I promise you, God lives. 1236 01:21:43,794 --> 01:21:46,884 I can't believe I agreed to this. Why did you even contact me? 1237 01:21:46,928 --> 01:21:48,973 You contacted me. 1238 01:21:49,017 --> 01:21:51,106 What are you talking about? You did. 1239 01:21:51,149 --> 01:21:54,239 What? You contacted me. Three days, three interviews, three locations. 1240 01:21:54,283 --> 01:21:57,199 - And how did I do that? - What? You contacted me! 1241 01:21:57,242 --> 01:21:59,462 And how did I contact you? 1242 01:21:59,505 --> 01:22:02,552 Did I call you or send you a letter? Was it an e-mail? Snapchat? 1243 01:22:02,595 --> 01:22:04,119 How? 1244 01:22:05,685 --> 01:22:08,123 You... You... You s... 1245 01:22:09,907 --> 01:22:11,213 I don't know. 1246 01:22:12,170 --> 01:22:13,955 Paul, think about it. 1247 01:22:16,174 --> 01:22:18,872 No, this can't be happening. 1248 01:22:18,916 --> 01:22:20,613 But it is. 1249 01:22:20,657 --> 01:22:23,355 So please, why don't you sit down, and we can talk about it. 1250 01:22:23,399 --> 01:22:25,575 - I'm just here to help you. - Help? 1251 01:22:25,618 --> 01:22:28,099 Yes. That's a laugh. How have you helped? 1252 01:22:28,143 --> 01:22:31,842 By stopping you from making a very bad decision, by keeping you safe. 1253 01:22:31,885 --> 01:22:33,104 Safe? Yes. 1254 01:22:33,148 --> 01:22:35,367 You told me I was gonna die. Yes. 1255 01:22:35,411 --> 01:22:37,979 - You were gonna tell me when. - Yes, but you already knew. 1256 01:22:38,022 --> 01:22:40,862 What are you talking about? How could I know? How could I possibly know? 1257 01:22:40,894 --> 01:22:43,332 You knew exactly when. How could I know? 1258 01:22:43,375 --> 01:22:47,336 Because it was going to happen by your own hand, Paul. 1259 01:22:49,512 --> 01:22:51,601 No. 1260 01:22:53,211 --> 01:22:56,867 No, you don't know that. 1261 01:22:56,910 --> 01:23:00,740 There aren't always signs when someone is in trouble. 1262 01:23:00,784 --> 01:23:02,525 But you can't hide from me. 1263 01:23:04,048 --> 01:23:06,007 Why are you doing this to me? 1264 01:23:06,050 --> 01:23:08,444 You've just lost your way. 1265 01:23:08,487 --> 01:23:11,577 No, you let this happen to me. How so? 1266 01:23:11,621 --> 01:23:13,362 I prayed. I prayed. 1267 01:23:13,405 --> 01:23:15,059 I know. I begged you for help. 1268 01:23:15,103 --> 01:23:18,367 And you think bad things happen to you because I don't care? 1269 01:23:18,410 --> 01:23:21,370 You didn't listen. Bad things happen all the time. 1270 01:23:21,413 --> 01:23:25,591 Every day. Every minute of every day. 1271 01:23:25,635 --> 01:23:28,203 You know that. You said it yourself. 1272 01:23:28,246 --> 01:23:30,379 And it's very sad. 1273 01:23:30,422 --> 01:23:33,034 But the truth is, most people only seem to notice bad things 1274 01:23:33,077 --> 01:23:36,037 when they happen to them. 1275 01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:38,561 And maybe that's the saddest part of all. 1276 01:23:39,692 --> 01:23:42,086 You really need to sit. 1277 01:23:42,130 --> 01:23:44,175 Why don't you help us? 1278 01:23:44,219 --> 01:23:47,309 I hear you. I hear it all. 1279 01:23:47,352 --> 01:23:50,225 Why is there war, starvation, poverty, 1280 01:23:50,268 --> 01:23:52,705 disease, fire, flood, 1281 01:23:52,749 --> 01:23:56,013 a child goes missing, a man loses hope? 1282 01:23:56,057 --> 01:23:57,710 Do something! Yes, do something. 1283 01:23:57,754 --> 01:24:00,844 You have more power than you know, Paul. 1284 01:24:00,887 --> 01:24:05,544 Food can be grown. Diseases can be cured. Wars ended. 1285 01:24:05,588 --> 01:24:07,894 A troubled veteran can be helped 1286 01:24:07,938 --> 01:24:10,767 and a marriage saved. 1287 01:24:10,810 --> 01:24:14,901 So, when you ask me why all this is happening, 1288 01:24:14,945 --> 01:24:16,860 start by looking to each other. 1289 01:24:16,903 --> 01:24:20,211 And that's where I'll be. No, I need a miracle. 1290 01:24:20,255 --> 01:24:22,866 Well, miracles happen every day. And sometimes... 1291 01:24:22,909 --> 01:24:24,346 Please. 1292 01:24:24,389 --> 01:24:26,826 Sometimes the miracle is you. 1293 01:24:27,827 --> 01:24:29,438 What's happening? 1294 01:24:30,308 --> 01:24:31,657 You never know. 1295 01:24:31,701 --> 01:24:33,920 No. 1296 01:24:36,445 --> 01:24:37,533 No. 1297 01:24:37,576 --> 01:24:40,449 My salvation. Give it time. 1298 01:24:40,492 --> 01:24:42,581 I told you, 1299 01:24:42,625 --> 01:24:47,804 sometimes bad things do happen to some very good people. 1300 01:25:56,612 --> 01:25:59,658 Guess I'm walking. 1301 01:26:31,516 --> 01:26:34,258 Hey, Matt. What happened today? 1302 01:26:36,260 --> 01:26:38,044 Great. 1303 01:26:38,088 --> 01:26:40,656 Great! 1304 01:26:40,699 --> 01:26:43,441 No, no. It's fine. Just a phone number. 1305 01:26:44,921 --> 01:26:48,533 Okay. 1306 01:26:48,577 --> 01:26:51,057 Okay. 1307 01:26:51,101 --> 01:26:52,755 It was a miracle. It was a miracle. 1308 01:26:52,798 --> 01:26:54,974 Who am I to say it wasn't, right? 1309 01:26:56,324 --> 01:26:58,413 No, you were due. 1310 01:26:59,544 --> 01:27:01,546 Sarah? 1311 01:27:01,590 --> 01:27:04,288 Yeah, okay, I'll tell her. 1312 01:27:04,332 --> 01:27:06,464 Yeah, I will tell her. Yeah. Yeah. 1313 01:27:07,770 --> 01:27:10,425 I'm glad. I'm very happy for you. 1314 01:27:11,643 --> 01:27:13,950 Of course. 1315 01:27:13,993 --> 01:27:15,778 All right, brother. Bye. 1316 01:27:15,821 --> 01:27:17,432 See you soon. Bye. 1317 01:27:43,109 --> 01:27:44,894 Hi. 1318 01:27:46,156 --> 01:27:48,289 Hi. 1319 01:27:52,118 --> 01:27:54,295 It's good to see you. 1320 01:27:56,122 --> 01:27:58,299 Where's your bike? 1321 01:27:58,342 --> 01:28:00,997 No idea. 1322 01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:03,521 What happened? 1323 01:28:03,565 --> 01:28:05,654 It's just gone. 1324 01:28:08,961 --> 01:28:11,573 - You love that bike. - It's just a bike. 1325 01:28:12,748 --> 01:28:15,316 What happened to your hand? 1326 01:28:15,359 --> 01:28:19,145 I broke one of the jadeite cups. 1327 01:28:19,189 --> 01:28:21,583 Are you okay? Yeah, it'll heal. 1328 01:28:24,499 --> 01:28:27,893 Sorry about the cup. 1329 01:28:27,937 --> 01:28:29,852 It was just a cup. 1330 01:28:36,206 --> 01:28:37,686 Are you okay? 1331 01:28:43,866 --> 01:28:45,389 Yeah. 1332 01:28:48,131 --> 01:28:49,611 Listen, I... 1333 01:28:52,483 --> 01:28:54,529 I just came to apologize. 1334 01:28:56,226 --> 01:28:57,706 I'm sorry. 1335 01:29:06,105 --> 01:29:08,020 I'm so ashamed. 1336 01:29:35,831 --> 01:29:37,441 I loved you. 1337 01:29:40,096 --> 01:29:43,142 I still... love you. 1338 01:29:50,933 --> 01:29:52,674 I forgive you. 1339 01:30:12,171 --> 01:30:14,043 I should get going. 1340 01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:19,962 Bye. Stop. 1341 01:30:26,577 --> 01:30:28,797 May I ask you something? 1342 01:30:33,105 --> 01:30:35,281 Do you think that you coming back here today 1343 01:30:35,325 --> 01:30:37,588 is a... 1344 01:30:37,632 --> 01:30:39,808 was some sort of sign? 1345 01:30:47,642 --> 01:30:51,384 Sarah! You're back. Told ya. 1346 01:30:51,428 --> 01:30:54,518 Echinacea. Stuff's great. 1347 01:30:54,562 --> 01:30:57,434 Echinacea? Yep. It's the miracle cure. 1348 01:30:57,478 --> 01:31:01,569 Miracles. Hey, they happen every day. 1349 01:31:09,446 --> 01:31:11,230 Can we talk? 1350 01:31:12,449 --> 01:31:13,972 Inside? 1351 01:31:15,539 --> 01:31:18,847 Yeah. 1352 01:31:19,630 --> 01:31:21,545 I'd like that. 1353 01:31:28,900 --> 01:31:29,900 Sarah. 1354 01:31:33,426 --> 01:31:35,298 I love you too. 1355 01:32:08,287 --> 01:32:11,856 Having faith isn't worth much if you don't really believe. 1356 01:32:11,900 --> 01:32:13,902 I kept praying, sure, 1357 01:32:13,945 --> 01:32:17,558 but I stopped looking or even listening. 1358 01:32:33,704 --> 01:32:37,926 What could you possibly do that would be beyond my powers to forgive? 1359 01:32:44,585 --> 01:32:47,370 So, yeah, I see it now. 1360 01:32:50,155 --> 01:32:52,027 Definitely a sign.