1 00:00:00,601 --> 00:00:03,351 (dramatic music) 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:12,325 --> 00:00:17,325 (static hissing) (gentle instrumental music) 5 00:00:27,758 --> 00:00:30,508 (dramatic music) 6 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:47,440 (thunder rumbling) (eerie music) 7 00:01:12,378 --> 00:01:14,470 (dramatic music) 8 00:01:14,470 --> 00:01:15,890 - That was Chris trying to come with 9 00:01:15,890 --> 00:01:18,360 the darkest scariest thing that he's really afraid of 10 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:19,193 in real life 11 00:01:19,193 --> 00:01:20,220 And I think we all are. 12 00:01:20,220 --> 00:01:22,310 - I just like the mythology around it. 13 00:01:22,310 --> 00:01:26,610 I like the idea of a communal feeling of end times, 14 00:01:26,610 --> 00:01:27,760 like, let's examine that. 15 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:28,593 What is that? 16 00:01:28,593 --> 00:01:30,740 What is the human race at the end of its time? 17 00:01:30,740 --> 00:01:31,573 Who are we? 18 00:01:31,573 --> 00:01:34,490 - I think Chris has the ability like Rod Serling 19 00:01:34,490 --> 00:01:38,580 to tap into these deep questions that we all have 20 00:01:38,580 --> 00:01:40,830 like, why am I here, what's out there? 21 00:01:40,830 --> 00:01:43,830 - It's not just some sci-fI fantasy, 22 00:01:43,830 --> 00:01:45,430 I'm not saying that there's anything wrong 23 00:01:45,430 --> 00:01:48,300 with sci-fI fantasy, but there's a lot of truth 24 00:01:48,300 --> 00:01:51,780 and a lot of fascination with what the show represented 25 00:01:51,780 --> 00:01:56,780 and the metaphors in the battles between Good versus Evil 26 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,160 within ourselves and the world. 27 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:00,510 - It was dark. 28 00:02:00,510 --> 00:02:02,910 Talk about a dark show 29 00:02:02,910 --> 00:02:05,570 And I couldn't believe that 30 00:02:05,570 --> 00:02:07,640 that show would make it on the television. 31 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,630 - A mini serie on television getting darker was, 32 00:02:10,630 --> 00:02:12,800 I think it kinda started with Seinfeld, 33 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:14,460 where Larry David and Jerry Seinfeld said 34 00:02:14,460 --> 00:02:15,550 no hugs, no lessons. 35 00:02:15,550 --> 00:02:17,540 And then after that, The Sopranos. 36 00:02:17,540 --> 00:02:18,650 What is it, the fourth episode, 37 00:02:18,650 --> 00:02:21,030 he strangles a guy with his bare hands 38 00:02:21,030 --> 00:02:23,382 on a college trip with his daughter. 39 00:02:23,382 --> 00:02:25,660 - You took an oath and you broke it. 40 00:02:25,660 --> 00:02:28,293 - Then we get Dexter. (saw whirring) 41 00:02:28,293 --> 00:02:29,703 And Walter White. (Krazy-8 gagging) 42 00:02:29,703 --> 00:02:32,730 - Millennium was kind of way before all of them. 43 00:02:32,730 --> 00:02:35,410 - If something is driven by character, 44 00:02:35,410 --> 00:02:37,520 if you're interested in those people, 45 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,550 the rest of it becomes a sort of context. 46 00:02:39,550 --> 00:02:43,560 - Frank is a real hero and he's trying to protect all of us 47 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,900 from the darkness that he sees inside of himself. 48 00:02:46,900 --> 00:02:48,450 - You know, I say about The X-Files, 49 00:02:48,450 --> 00:02:50,120 the reason for the success of the show 50 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,520 is ultimately Mulder and Scully, it's that relationship. 51 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,380 And I believe that Millennium is the same way. 52 00:02:56,380 --> 00:02:59,240 I believe it's the power of Frank Black 53 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:00,900 as played by Lance Henriksen. 54 00:03:00,900 --> 00:03:02,550 - Chris once said something to me, 55 00:03:02,550 --> 00:03:05,950 and he said that I had to really dig deep 56 00:03:05,950 --> 00:03:08,300 to do that character, and he's right. 57 00:03:08,300 --> 00:03:09,980 He was right, he saw it. 58 00:03:09,980 --> 00:03:12,020 - Bizarre that it didn't get to the actual millennium, 59 00:03:12,020 --> 00:03:15,180 but we felt we had to deliver some kind of order, 60 00:03:15,180 --> 00:03:17,753 at least avoiding breakdown and chaos. 61 00:03:17,753 --> 00:03:20,530 - I wanna see Frank in our political landscape now. 62 00:03:20,530 --> 00:03:23,287 He would be dealing with all the crazy right now. 63 00:03:23,287 --> 00:03:24,120 - Yeah. 64 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:25,450 - I think it's crazier now than it was. 65 00:03:25,450 --> 00:03:27,450 - Oh, it's totally crazier now. 66 00:03:27,450 --> 00:03:28,370 - [Anonymous] We are Anonymous. 67 00:03:28,370 --> 00:03:29,701 - They're bringing drugs. 68 00:03:29,701 --> 00:03:30,640 (guns popping) 69 00:03:30,640 --> 00:03:33,630 - There is no evidence any classified information 70 00:03:33,630 --> 00:03:34,980 ended up in the wrong hands. 71 00:03:34,980 --> 00:03:37,220 - There was an integrity in Millennium. 72 00:03:37,220 --> 00:03:38,540 Now 20 years later, 73 00:03:38,540 --> 00:03:41,693 we're seeing all the more reason to have integrity. 74 00:03:43,367 --> 00:03:46,117 (dramatic music) 75 00:04:33,781 --> 00:04:36,281 (eerie music) 76 00:04:48,048 --> 00:04:51,680 - 20th Century Fox, that would be Peter Roth, came to me, 77 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,877 this is during the I think third season of The X-Files, 78 00:04:53,877 --> 00:04:56,880 and asked if I would do another TV show. 79 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:58,940 I had this character in mind. 80 00:04:58,940 --> 00:05:01,510 Frank Black had sort of come to me 81 00:05:01,510 --> 00:05:04,760 as a result of an X-Files episode that I had done 82 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,010 called Irresistible. 83 00:05:06,010 --> 00:05:08,540 We really dealt with a human monster in Irresistible 84 00:05:08,540 --> 00:05:10,880 and dovetailed with my interest 85 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:15,880 in the behavioral profiling work that the FBI was doing. 86 00:05:16,840 --> 00:05:19,650 I just thought it would be interesting to do 87 00:05:19,650 --> 00:05:24,650 a tortured FBI agent who saw evil. 88 00:05:26,057 --> 00:05:26,957 - What do you see? 89 00:05:28,700 --> 00:05:30,270 - I see what the killers see. 90 00:05:30,270 --> 00:05:33,817 - He actually began to see beyond reality 91 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:39,470 into the minds of killers. 92 00:05:39,470 --> 00:05:41,630 - And I think the best episodes of The X-Files 93 00:05:41,630 --> 00:05:43,520 that they're about something. 94 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:45,730 There's a reason we've chosen to tell the story, 95 00:05:45,730 --> 00:05:48,030 whether we know it consciously or not, 96 00:05:48,030 --> 00:05:49,780 we're trying to ask an interesting question 97 00:05:49,780 --> 00:05:51,600 by creating a monster. 98 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,140 And I thought Millennium 99 00:05:53,140 --> 00:05:55,280 really had something powerful to say 100 00:05:55,280 --> 00:05:56,640 about the world we live in. 101 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:01,640 - I was doing films, and my agent called me and said, 102 00:06:02,637 --> 00:06:05,637 "I have this script, you've got to read it." 103 00:06:05,637 --> 00:06:07,140 And I said, what is it? 104 00:06:07,140 --> 00:06:08,967 And he says, "I don't wanna tell you. 105 00:06:08,967 --> 00:06:10,500 "I just want you to read it." 106 00:06:10,500 --> 00:06:14,370 But anyway, he sent the script, and it was very dark, 107 00:06:14,370 --> 00:06:17,360 that was the pilot, very, very dark. 108 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,670 I said, if it was a movie, it would be a great movie, 109 00:06:19,670 --> 00:06:22,310 I mean, you wouldn't have to worry about the darkness, 110 00:06:22,310 --> 00:06:26,380 people can take that, you know, for a period of time 111 00:06:26,380 --> 00:06:27,213 and then they move on. 112 00:06:27,213 --> 00:06:28,710 But as a series, 113 00:06:28,710 --> 00:06:32,203 I didn't know how anybody was gonna hang in with it. 114 00:06:33,050 --> 00:06:37,477 I met Chris Carter and the director at a restaurant. 115 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,170 I said, I got one question for you, man. 116 00:06:43,170 --> 00:06:45,053 Where is the light in this? 117 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:47,250 Where is the light? 118 00:06:47,250 --> 00:06:50,730 I don't know how this is gonna work as a series. 119 00:06:50,730 --> 00:06:54,277 And all Chris said to me was, "The yellow house." 120 00:06:55,740 --> 00:06:57,450 It sort of struck a nerve with me. 121 00:06:57,450 --> 00:06:59,570 I meant, what did you mean by that? 122 00:06:59,570 --> 00:07:00,937 He said, "The core of the story 123 00:07:00,937 --> 00:07:02,537 "is the family in the yellow house, 124 00:07:02,537 --> 00:07:05,770 "and that's what makes it all survivable." 125 00:07:05,770 --> 00:07:07,913 And then I finally went, all right. 126 00:07:09,450 --> 00:07:12,303 I didn't realize what a commitment all right would be. 127 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,050 You know what I'm saying? 128 00:07:16,050 --> 00:07:19,120 You just let it out, you go, okay. 129 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,280 - [Chris] I developed Millennium with Lance mind, 130 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,820 that he wanted to do it was, you know, 131 00:07:23,820 --> 00:07:25,670 kind of a dream come true, obviously. 132 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,490 - As I started reading the pilot and getting really, 133 00:07:29,490 --> 00:07:31,490 investing in it, I suddenly realized, 134 00:07:31,490 --> 00:07:35,430 wow this is a really educated character. 135 00:07:35,430 --> 00:07:37,200 So one of the biggest challenges was 136 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:42,200 to overcome my own judgment of myself about it, 137 00:07:43,380 --> 00:07:45,410 and just try to get on the journey ride 138 00:07:45,410 --> 00:07:47,540 on this guy's intelligence. 139 00:07:47,540 --> 00:07:49,200 It's not mine, it's written. 140 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:54,200 - And I remember the one thing that I told Lance. 141 00:07:54,260 --> 00:07:57,358 I said, I don't want you to use your hands. 142 00:07:57,358 --> 00:07:59,830 I just want to use your voice and your face. 143 00:07:59,830 --> 00:08:01,900 I felt that the use of his hands 144 00:08:01,900 --> 00:08:04,030 was a kind of salesmanship in a crutch, 145 00:08:04,030 --> 00:08:06,310 and that if he was a man 146 00:08:06,310 --> 00:08:10,810 who dealt with you squarely and forthrightly, 147 00:08:10,810 --> 00:08:15,810 that he wouldn't need to sell his opinions, 148 00:08:15,940 --> 00:08:18,173 his beliefs, and his convictions. 149 00:08:19,230 --> 00:08:22,560 I do see him as kind of an idealized hero. 150 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,813 He was a moral man, a family man. 151 00:08:25,813 --> 00:08:30,813 His control of his anger and his rage and his outrage 152 00:08:34,110 --> 00:08:36,200 is what made him exceptional. 153 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,470 It's that paradox and that dichotomy 154 00:08:39,470 --> 00:08:41,450 that I think makes the character interesting, 155 00:08:41,450 --> 00:08:42,957 that he can put it away. 156 00:08:42,957 --> 00:08:45,950 That's the reason he does it is for them, really. 157 00:08:45,950 --> 00:08:47,930 And that he paints his house, 158 00:08:47,930 --> 00:08:51,100 he paints away the darkness by painting his house yellow, 159 00:08:51,100 --> 00:08:55,000 or in this case, buying a yellow house is, I think, 160 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,190 indicative of a man who is very aware 161 00:08:57,190 --> 00:08:59,733 of the forces of darkness and light. 162 00:08:59,733 --> 00:09:01,770 - I could just see the possibilities, 163 00:09:01,770 --> 00:09:04,000 I mean, Chris talked to me about Catherine 164 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,510 and what she was meant to be 165 00:09:06,510 --> 00:09:09,220 and how she was meant to function in terms of the story. 166 00:09:09,220 --> 00:09:11,270 I thought it was pretty clear 167 00:09:11,270 --> 00:09:14,320 that she was sort of hearth and home, 168 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:18,900 and a little bit of his conscience and, you know, 169 00:09:18,900 --> 00:09:22,400 that their Connection in the story would be very important. 170 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,090 They had this little girl. 171 00:09:24,090 --> 00:09:27,410 Little did I know it would be this adorable Brittany, 172 00:09:27,410 --> 00:09:30,750 but she was such a cutie, oh, my god. 173 00:09:30,750 --> 00:09:32,440 - So I don't remember the first audition, 174 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:33,850 but I remember the call back 175 00:09:33,850 --> 00:09:35,950 because there was a puppy in the room, 176 00:09:35,950 --> 00:09:38,520 and I love dogs, then and now. 177 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,750 And so, I was obsessed with this dog, 178 00:09:40,750 --> 00:09:42,770 and they really wanted to see my natural reaction 179 00:09:42,770 --> 00:09:45,240 to the puppy coming out of the cage 180 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:46,730 'cause there was a puppy in the pilot. 181 00:09:46,730 --> 00:09:49,240 And then I remember them basically telling me in the room 182 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:50,510 that I had the gig. 183 00:09:50,510 --> 00:09:51,710 And I didn't know that meant 184 00:09:51,710 --> 00:09:53,720 because there was a puppy in the room and I was five. 185 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:55,720 - Had done, like, nothing before. 186 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:59,020 I think she'd done a commercial or something like that 187 00:10:01,130 --> 00:10:03,410 before starting Millennium, and Chris wanted that, 188 00:10:03,410 --> 00:10:05,060 he wanted somebody who is really fresh. 189 00:10:05,060 --> 00:10:07,390 She didn't know what the word cut meant, 190 00:10:07,390 --> 00:10:09,223 and then she learned that print was, you know, 191 00:10:09,223 --> 00:10:11,690 that meant that was a good one, 192 00:10:11,690 --> 00:10:13,490 and then we could go on to other things. 193 00:10:13,490 --> 00:10:17,010 So she was absolutely delightful. 194 00:10:17,010 --> 00:10:18,760 Really, really cute and funny, 195 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:20,640 and always had a great questions for me, 196 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,870 and we just had a good time together. 197 00:10:22,870 --> 00:10:25,630 I just really liked hanging out with her, she was great. 198 00:10:25,630 --> 00:10:27,430 - I do remember shooting the pilot 199 00:10:28,605 --> 00:10:31,150 and spending that time with them, especially with Lance. 200 00:10:31,150 --> 00:10:32,946 - I have two daughters. 201 00:10:32,946 --> 00:10:37,670 And I've been through those years with my daughters. 202 00:10:37,670 --> 00:10:39,770 It's the most beautiful time in the world. 203 00:10:41,810 --> 00:10:45,760 Brittany was just an incredible kid. 204 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,870 I don't know what words her and her family used 205 00:10:48,870 --> 00:10:52,740 about Frank Black, but I know she trusted me. 206 00:10:52,740 --> 00:10:55,130 And I know we had an affection going 207 00:10:55,130 --> 00:11:00,130 that was very, very right and simple and pure. 208 00:11:03,180 --> 00:11:04,103 It had a pureness to it. 209 00:11:04,103 --> 00:11:07,830 - There's some really candid moments in the pilot episode 210 00:11:07,830 --> 00:11:09,690 that were not written and that just happened 211 00:11:09,690 --> 00:11:10,570 because I was little, 212 00:11:10,570 --> 00:11:13,700 and this is my first real time on set tonight. 213 00:11:13,700 --> 00:11:16,950 I think there's the scene where I lick his nose in the car, 214 00:11:16,950 --> 00:11:19,010 and that was not scripted. 215 00:11:19,010 --> 00:11:21,100 I just did that, I don't know why. (laughing) 216 00:11:21,100 --> 00:11:24,410 And I remember hearing the whole set 217 00:11:24,410 --> 00:11:27,457 start bursting into laughter, and I looked around, 218 00:11:27,457 --> 00:11:29,280 did I do something wrong? 219 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,370 And my mom, I remember looking at her, 220 00:11:31,370 --> 00:11:33,400 her being like, oh, what did you do? 221 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,033 - She licked my face. 222 00:11:36,420 --> 00:11:40,910 Most innocent gesture in the world, and I went, (chuckling) 223 00:11:40,910 --> 00:11:44,805 I knew we were gonna be fine, all of us. 224 00:11:44,805 --> 00:11:47,305 (eerie music) 225 00:11:49,893 --> 00:11:51,760 - We did the little piece in the pilot 226 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:56,710 where they go and they find the body down by the river 227 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,740 at night, with lips all sewn together, and I thought, 228 00:12:00,740 --> 00:12:04,640 man, there's no way they're gonna let that show on TV. 229 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,320 It's absolutely not going to happen. 230 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,780 - Well, I saw the pilot at a screening at the DGA, 231 00:12:08,780 --> 00:12:13,550 and I brought a bunch of friends, and it was terrifying. 232 00:12:13,550 --> 00:12:17,420 I mean, I will always remember the image of the guy 233 00:12:17,420 --> 00:12:21,260 with sewn shut mouth, oh, my god, I mean. 234 00:12:21,260 --> 00:12:23,330 - It was so dark. 235 00:12:23,330 --> 00:12:26,620 I mean, compared to, you know, anything else 236 00:12:26,620 --> 00:12:29,920 that was out in the world and on television at the time, 237 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:31,047 it was very, very dark. 238 00:12:31,047 --> 00:12:32,600 It was kinda mind-blowing. 239 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,100 How are they gonna get that on television? 240 00:12:35,100 --> 00:12:36,170 That's gonna be a series? 241 00:12:36,170 --> 00:12:37,770 Whoa, what's gonna happen every week? 242 00:12:37,770 --> 00:12:40,450 - It was obviously kinda sexy and kinda violent 243 00:12:40,450 --> 00:12:42,060 and kind of cool. 244 00:12:42,060 --> 00:12:43,840 But it was also intense in a way 245 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,220 that I came to kind of understand only after I worked on it. 246 00:12:47,220 --> 00:12:49,073 - The pilot, we shot for a month, 247 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,540 and I remember being in the last scenes of the pilot 248 00:12:53,540 --> 00:12:57,430 knowing that this was the last scene of the pilot, 249 00:12:57,430 --> 00:12:59,243 and then we were gonna have a break. 250 00:13:01,610 --> 00:13:02,923 And I said to Chris, 251 00:13:04,070 --> 00:13:06,830 Chris, are we gonna have a month for each show? 252 00:13:06,830 --> 00:13:10,397 I mean, he said, "No, every eight days." 253 00:13:11,810 --> 00:13:13,100 And I went, what? 254 00:13:13,100 --> 00:13:14,830 What did you say? 255 00:13:14,830 --> 00:13:16,640 I was, like, stunned. 256 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,710 Yeah, it was an exciting time, but it was also overwhelming. 257 00:13:20,710 --> 00:13:24,283 It was like surfing on a giant wave. 258 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,860 And you have to have skill, but you also have faith. 259 00:13:28,860 --> 00:13:31,803 Terry O'Quinn is this wonderful kind of actor that, 260 00:13:32,810 --> 00:13:34,623 he was so supportive to me. 261 00:13:36,060 --> 00:13:38,850 There would be times where I'd get a script, 262 00:13:38,850 --> 00:13:41,740 I'd be memorizing that one, the second script would come in 263 00:13:41,740 --> 00:13:43,890 before I'd finished memorizing that one, 264 00:13:43,890 --> 00:13:46,530 and then I got all the way to the end of the first one, 265 00:13:46,530 --> 00:13:47,363 the second one would come in. 266 00:13:47,363 --> 00:13:50,330 By the time I was finished halfway with that one, 267 00:13:50,330 --> 00:13:51,780 another one would come in. 268 00:13:51,780 --> 00:13:56,780 So was an awesome amount of learning they had to do. 269 00:13:58,816 --> 00:14:00,367 And I remember Terry saying to me, 270 00:14:00,367 --> 00:14:05,367 "Lance, don't panic over this stuff. 271 00:14:06,637 --> 00:14:11,457 "Here's the thing to do, let's just read it, accept it, 272 00:14:11,457 --> 00:14:13,337 "and it will come to you right in the middle, 273 00:14:13,337 --> 00:14:15,110 "it will come to you, don't worry about it." 274 00:14:15,110 --> 00:14:18,842 He was right, it did. (eerie music) 275 00:14:18,842 --> 00:14:21,670 - When I got the call to do Millennium, I'd just finished 276 00:14:21,670 --> 00:14:24,800 or was still on a series called Strange Luck, 277 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:25,920 which was an interesting show 278 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,950 because partway through they lost there lead writer 279 00:14:28,950 --> 00:14:30,776 and it kind of lost its way a bit, 280 00:14:30,776 --> 00:14:34,690 and we had to dictate from long distance through a producer 281 00:14:34,690 --> 00:14:38,100 to just keep doing whatever it is you're doing. 282 00:14:38,100 --> 00:14:40,640 We were being extremely creative with the camera. 283 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:42,480 We were just trying all kinds of kooky stuff 284 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,480 to get people from A to B and to tell the story and stuff. 285 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:46,667 I think Chris really just wanted to make sure 286 00:14:46,667 --> 00:14:50,570 that I sort of, I kind of got the aesthetic, 287 00:14:50,570 --> 00:14:54,280 which was really sort of enhanced, 288 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,800 what I now call enhanced naturalism. 289 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:01,800 - I think the show gets into your fear. 290 00:15:03,100 --> 00:15:07,000 It gets into the place where you're scared and alone, 291 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,450 and you're in the dark, and you don't know what's happening. 292 00:15:09,450 --> 00:15:12,890 And it does it not directly, 293 00:15:12,890 --> 00:15:15,790 it does it kind of atmospherically. 294 00:15:15,790 --> 00:15:20,790 And through the photography, through the staging, 295 00:15:21,770 --> 00:15:23,790 not really so much the events, 296 00:15:23,790 --> 00:15:28,070 through the events that you don't know are going to happen, 297 00:15:28,070 --> 00:15:30,500 that you're unsure about. 298 00:15:30,500 --> 00:15:32,337 - It was hyperreality. 299 00:15:34,260 --> 00:15:36,809 - Hi, there, how are you? 300 00:15:36,809 --> 00:15:39,072 (dramatic music) 301 00:15:39,072 --> 00:15:41,460 Hi, there, how are you? 302 00:15:41,460 --> 00:15:43,600 Hi, there, how are you? 303 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,493 - Hi, there, how are you? 304 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:48,963 - Hi. 305 00:15:48,963 --> 00:15:50,680 - And I think that's what made it scary for me, 306 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:54,010 is that I always said that I'm struck 307 00:15:54,010 --> 00:15:57,630 by the sort of everyday evil, 308 00:15:57,630 --> 00:16:00,840 and the fact that you can be in line at the supermarket 309 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,650 and be next to a serial killer and not realize it 310 00:16:03,650 --> 00:16:06,395 that what evil looks in the minds of men 311 00:16:06,395 --> 00:16:08,363 is what we were after. 312 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,376 - Because it was reality-based, we didn't have the license, 313 00:16:13,376 --> 00:16:14,600 I didn't think, creatively, 314 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:16,240 to do the kind of writing you can do 315 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,620 with something that's more in the science fiction world 316 00:16:18,620 --> 00:16:19,530 of The X-Files. 317 00:16:19,530 --> 00:16:24,530 So, all our writing sources were sort of reality-based 318 00:16:25,100 --> 00:16:28,550 and motivated, and that sort of drove it. 319 00:16:28,550 --> 00:16:30,600 And Mark Freeborn was the production designer 320 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,960 on almost all the episodes. 321 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:34,240 He was brilliant. 322 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,850 So that was great for Lance, I think, 323 00:16:36,850 --> 00:16:38,007 because he got to come in, 324 00:16:38,007 --> 00:16:41,030 and you could literally smell the locations you were in 325 00:16:41,030 --> 00:16:44,160 sometimes, I mean, they were so real, they were so well done 326 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,030 even if it was set on a stage or something, 327 00:16:46,030 --> 00:16:48,610 it really took you into it the space. 328 00:16:48,610 --> 00:16:52,450 - To go up to Vancouver and meet the incredible craftsmen 329 00:16:52,450 --> 00:16:55,340 and craftswomen who made that show, 330 00:16:55,340 --> 00:16:59,900 every single department was at the top of their game. 331 00:16:59,900 --> 00:17:02,340 They put a enormous love into the thing. 332 00:17:02,340 --> 00:17:04,017 And so, your prop person would go, 333 00:17:04,017 --> 00:17:05,987 "Okay, these are the different severed heads, 334 00:17:05,987 --> 00:17:07,887 "we can have one of them in a plastic bag, if you prefer. 335 00:17:07,887 --> 00:17:08,997 "This is that would look like. 336 00:17:08,997 --> 00:17:11,187 "And here's the other severed head, 337 00:17:11,187 --> 00:17:13,167 "and my brother works in the emergency room, 338 00:17:13,167 --> 00:17:16,270 "so I know how to do bruising and amputations really well." 339 00:17:16,270 --> 00:17:18,110 And you're like, wow, I love you. 340 00:17:18,110 --> 00:17:19,760 Right when you think it can't get any better, 341 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,513 you get amazing crew, amazing cast, 342 00:17:23,900 --> 00:17:26,800 amazing production team, amazing editors. 343 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:31,110 Then you go to Mark Snow's garage in Santa Monica 344 00:17:31,110 --> 00:17:33,180 and he plays the music cues for you. 345 00:17:33,180 --> 00:17:38,180 - Mark was almost like the soul, in a way, of Frank Black. 346 00:17:38,210 --> 00:17:41,200 And I told him when I saw him not long ago, 347 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:46,200 where I said, you were like a core element in that show. 348 00:17:47,780 --> 00:17:51,550 - And I think now we're so used to beautiful television 349 00:17:51,550 --> 00:17:55,000 and cinematic television, it's easy to forget 350 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,394 that that was really unusual, you know, 351 00:17:57,394 --> 00:18:00,010 at the time the Millennium pilot was made. 352 00:18:00,010 --> 00:18:05,010 And I do think, you know, Chris should get credit 353 00:18:05,290 --> 00:18:07,142 for having that ambition for television 354 00:18:07,142 --> 00:18:09,853 and really understanding television can be this. 355 00:18:09,853 --> 00:18:11,520 I think it's important to remember sort of 356 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,830 the landscape of television in the 1990s, 357 00:18:14,830 --> 00:18:18,250 which was cop shows, doctor shows, lawyer shows. 358 00:18:18,250 --> 00:18:20,820 That was pretty much it, and David E. Kelley, right? 359 00:18:20,820 --> 00:18:24,380 And when you're doing a show like The X-Files or Millennium, 360 00:18:24,380 --> 00:18:26,310 you are such an oddball. 361 00:18:26,310 --> 00:18:28,120 And it was really hard to find writers 362 00:18:28,120 --> 00:18:29,470 because all the scripts we'd get 363 00:18:29,470 --> 00:18:31,670 were for procedurals and stuff, and that's like, 364 00:18:31,670 --> 00:18:33,430 well, that's not what we're doing. 365 00:18:33,430 --> 00:18:35,460 - It was all sort of TBD. 366 00:18:35,460 --> 00:18:40,460 Chris did not lay out some idea for the season even, 367 00:18:41,170 --> 00:18:42,650 as I recall, but. 368 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,403 And I think that was intentional. 369 00:18:46,350 --> 00:18:49,500 He wanted to open up the unconscious of the writers 370 00:18:49,500 --> 00:18:51,920 and see what it would produce. 371 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:52,880 - My recollection is that 372 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:54,530 you were kind of hung out to dry a little. 373 00:18:54,530 --> 00:18:55,780 It was like sink or swim. 374 00:18:55,780 --> 00:18:57,837 Are you gonna get this or not? 375 00:18:57,837 --> 00:18:59,640 And there wasn't a writers' room. 376 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:03,230 At least on Millennium, the way, there is now 377 00:19:03,230 --> 00:19:05,760 because every episode was standalone really. 378 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:07,200 I mean, I know there was this mythology thing, 379 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,290 but really standalone episodes. 380 00:19:09,290 --> 00:19:12,100 And so, as a writer, you came up with an idea 381 00:19:12,100 --> 00:19:14,663 that got approved by Chris, as I remember, 382 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:17,900 but he might guide it a little bit, 383 00:19:17,900 --> 00:19:19,600 but then it was like you were really supposed to come back 384 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,573 with a finished story. (eerie music) 385 00:19:24,966 --> 00:19:27,990 - [Lance] I remember speaking to the people in Virginia, 386 00:19:29,190 --> 00:19:30,843 The Academy Group. 387 00:19:33,510 --> 00:19:36,180 And they said two things to me about it, they said, 388 00:19:36,180 --> 00:19:38,640 I wish I could solve everything by nine o'clock, you know. 389 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:40,680 And I know they were digging at me with it. 390 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,080 And the other one they said, 391 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,330 if I had been able to grab a doorknob 392 00:19:44,330 --> 00:19:47,030 and see who touched it before me, that would be great. 393 00:19:47,940 --> 00:19:49,700 - Frank Black would have his visions, you know, 394 00:19:49,700 --> 00:19:50,920 he'd be at a crime scene, 395 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,520 and you'd have all these flash frames. 396 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,100 And it was shot on film, and on film, 397 00:19:56,100 --> 00:19:57,640 when you shut off the camera, 398 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:01,510 it slowly slows down and you get what they call rollout, 399 00:20:01,510 --> 00:20:02,980 which is like multiple images, 400 00:20:02,980 --> 00:20:05,060 and just weird like three and four and 10 frames 401 00:20:05,060 --> 00:20:09,420 of garbage under most circumstances, and we'd use that 402 00:20:09,420 --> 00:20:13,810 to intercut with the images that he was seeing, 403 00:20:13,810 --> 00:20:16,260 which were usually shot on 16-millimeter 404 00:20:17,490 --> 00:20:21,500 to give them a more grainy look as opposed to the 35. 405 00:20:21,500 --> 00:20:25,900 - In the beginning, I think those visions were meant to be 406 00:20:26,990 --> 00:20:31,730 intuitions or his tapping into the collective unconscious 407 00:20:31,730 --> 00:20:36,140 or it was just, because on a deep level 408 00:20:36,140 --> 00:20:39,110 that Frank Black himself didn't understand, 409 00:20:39,110 --> 00:20:42,460 he had insight into the evil that these people were doing, 410 00:20:42,460 --> 00:20:44,262 he can make sense of it. 411 00:20:44,262 --> 00:20:45,800 It was a darkness in his own heart 412 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,780 that connected to the darkness that other people were doing. 413 00:20:48,780 --> 00:20:52,340 So it was like a deep intuition or insight that he had 414 00:20:52,340 --> 00:20:55,083 into these murderers and their crimes. 415 00:20:57,140 --> 00:20:59,220 - I have intuition as a person. 416 00:20:59,220 --> 00:21:01,103 We all do, you do, we all do. 417 00:21:02,350 --> 00:21:05,350 And sometimes, if you really are able 418 00:21:05,350 --> 00:21:09,440 to listen to your own intuition, it's not a magic trick. 419 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:13,650 It's an accumulation of elements that you noticed 420 00:21:13,650 --> 00:21:17,230 that become intuition and has a message. 421 00:21:17,230 --> 00:21:21,430 - Chris didn't think that it was a supernatural gift. 422 00:21:21,430 --> 00:21:25,810 I think that when the show went more to a paranormal thing, 423 00:21:25,810 --> 00:21:30,520 you wanted to believe that he had some kind of gift 424 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:34,650 that he could put himself in the mind of a murderer. 425 00:21:34,650 --> 00:21:36,860 - It's the psychological equivalent 426 00:21:36,860 --> 00:21:39,400 of Arthur Clarke's observation 427 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,600 that any sufficiently advanced technology 428 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,660 is indistinguishable from magic. 429 00:21:43,660 --> 00:21:47,290 And any sufficiently developed intuition 430 00:21:47,290 --> 00:21:50,630 like Frank's has seems supernatural, 431 00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:53,000 maybe even to the person who has it. 432 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,210 So it's either a highly developed gift 433 00:21:55,210 --> 00:21:57,870 or it crosses over into the supernatural. 434 00:21:57,870 --> 00:22:01,010 And we wanted to, I think once you say it's supernatural, 435 00:22:01,010 --> 00:22:02,380 it takes the steam out. 436 00:22:02,380 --> 00:22:04,200 You go, absolutely, it's supernatural. 437 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:05,910 Then you go, it's a different show. 438 00:22:05,910 --> 00:22:08,290 But if you say this guy is extraordinary 439 00:22:08,290 --> 00:22:10,500 and it may be supernatural, 440 00:22:10,500 --> 00:22:15,500 then all the rules of real world trouble come into play. 441 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:21,370 - I was brought in to do episode number two of season one, 442 00:22:21,370 --> 00:22:23,120 Dead Letters. 443 00:22:23,120 --> 00:22:26,487 Chris basically gave me the show to produce and said, 444 00:22:26,487 --> 00:22:29,967 "Tom, you're Mr. Millennium, so, any problems, 445 00:22:29,967 --> 00:22:31,300 "just give me a call." 446 00:22:31,300 --> 00:22:33,310 - As far as Tom was concerned, 447 00:22:33,310 --> 00:22:34,220 I mean, one of the things was, 448 00:22:34,220 --> 00:22:36,870 he was a fixture almost from the get go. 449 00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:39,640 He directed almost every other episode. 450 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:44,390 And he's just so good and so buttoned-down and so prepared, 451 00:22:44,390 --> 00:22:47,422 it made all the rest of our lives that much easier. 452 00:22:47,422 --> 00:22:49,660 He and I had a sure hand, he could say, you know, 453 00:22:49,660 --> 00:22:51,480 if you had a script ahead of time, you'd say, 454 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,890 you know, I think in terms of such a movie 455 00:22:54,890 --> 00:22:58,131 that's the feeling that we want here and, of course, 456 00:22:58,131 --> 00:23:01,860 we're all familiar with the same references and stuff, 457 00:23:01,860 --> 00:23:05,915 so it was easy to, creatively, to drive the ship 458 00:23:05,915 --> 00:23:09,180 and lead the whole crew where they needed to go. 459 00:23:09,180 --> 00:23:11,280 - From Ten Thirteen and from Millennium, 460 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,960 what was our obsession that we talked about, 461 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,100 I mean, we talked about this point of view, 462 00:23:17,100 --> 00:23:19,440 so the whole visual style was set up to support that, 463 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,220 was that sort of Dario Argento horror vocabulary 464 00:23:22,220 --> 00:23:23,870 but with the very tight sight lines. 465 00:23:23,870 --> 00:23:26,120 - When I read the script, I would always see it, 466 00:23:26,120 --> 00:23:31,120 I thought or I tried to see it through Frank's vision. 467 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,810 Was more or less what his vision was 468 00:23:33,810 --> 00:23:36,030 from the case he was on. 469 00:23:36,030 --> 00:23:39,170 What he was seeing it, how he saw it. 470 00:23:39,170 --> 00:23:42,200 And I would get as close to that as I could. 471 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,173 I thought it was the best way to approach it 472 00:23:44,173 --> 00:23:46,110 because it was all his world. 473 00:23:46,110 --> 00:23:48,440 And Rob and I would get into these conversations 474 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,370 about the look of the show, how dark we can make it, 475 00:23:52,370 --> 00:23:55,060 and, you know, people fighting us on all that, 476 00:23:55,060 --> 00:23:57,660 and, you know, it was always something. 477 00:23:57,660 --> 00:24:02,040 But we would push it everyday all as far as we could. 478 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:07,040 I remember on Dead Letters, the first when I did, 479 00:24:09,010 --> 00:24:12,910 man, they came on strong about what the visuals and things. 480 00:24:12,910 --> 00:24:15,750 So one scene, the only way I could get it across was 481 00:24:16,770 --> 00:24:19,130 to take the photographs and I put 'em, 482 00:24:19,130 --> 00:24:20,953 exhibit 'em up on the wall, 483 00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:25,050 and then I put the lead actor or guest actor 484 00:24:25,050 --> 00:24:27,820 in front of the the wall to play the scene. 485 00:24:27,820 --> 00:24:30,960 That's the only way I could really show those 486 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,320 because they weren't gonna let us show 'em at all. 487 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,380 - Well, initially, they were super excited about the show. 488 00:24:36,380 --> 00:24:39,560 I mean, the pilot episode, they loved, they flipped for it. 489 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,210 They recognized it was a work of art. 490 00:24:42,210 --> 00:24:44,960 I mean, I use that word advisedly, but it really was, 491 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,130 and they saw the integrity of it, 492 00:24:47,130 --> 00:24:50,310 and they went to a lot of trouble to promote the show. 493 00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:52,820 But I remember after four or five episodes, 494 00:24:52,820 --> 00:24:53,930 they called us in for a meeting 495 00:24:53,930 --> 00:24:55,490 'cause they just thought the show 496 00:24:55,490 --> 00:24:58,657 was unremittingly bleak and dark and depressing, and like, 497 00:24:58,657 --> 00:25:01,690 Jesus, guys, can't you get some humor into this thing? 498 00:25:01,690 --> 00:25:05,300 Something, you know, 'cause they thought it was too much. 499 00:25:05,300 --> 00:25:08,910 And we heard that argument, 500 00:25:08,910 --> 00:25:11,240 we were kinda sympathetic to what they were saying, 501 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:12,950 but we also struggled 502 00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:14,860 because there's something you want to say with the show 503 00:25:14,860 --> 00:25:17,310 and we didn't wanna compromise it for commercial reasons. 504 00:25:17,310 --> 00:25:19,360 If you're gonna deal with dark stuff like this, 505 00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:21,140 you must horrify people. 506 00:25:21,140 --> 00:25:23,130 You can't sanitize it and soften it. 507 00:25:23,130 --> 00:25:27,350 I actually think it's kind of dangerous to do that. 508 00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:32,350 It makes it entertaining and safe, 509 00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:34,510 and it should be disturbing, 510 00:25:34,510 --> 00:25:36,133 you know, it should trouble you, 511 00:25:37,730 --> 00:25:42,730 otherwise it becomes kind of obscene in a way. 512 00:25:44,360 --> 00:25:46,550 It's inviting you to enjoy suffering 513 00:25:46,550 --> 00:25:48,670 and perversity and cruelty. 514 00:25:48,670 --> 00:25:53,540 - I did a new play by Lee Blessing at La Jolla Playhouse 515 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,880 in which I played a serial killer, 516 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,910 a composite of all these different serial killers 517 00:26:00,910 --> 00:26:04,150 from the '70s and '80s. 518 00:26:04,150 --> 00:26:06,173 So I read everything I get my hands on. 519 00:26:07,550 --> 00:26:09,590 In fact, I read too much. 520 00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:13,300 You can do too much, especially with that dark stuff. 521 00:26:13,300 --> 00:26:15,720 - Well, I think Dead Letters is one of most important 522 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,410 early episodes of Millennium 523 00:26:17,410 --> 00:26:21,900 because it juxtaposes Jim Horn with Frank Black. 524 00:26:21,900 --> 00:26:24,990 Both of these investigators are candidates 525 00:26:24,990 --> 00:26:28,494 to enter the Millennium Group, but they're very different, 526 00:26:28,494 --> 00:26:31,180 and the important thing about the episode is 527 00:26:31,180 --> 00:26:34,030 their differences illuminate the character of Frank. 528 00:26:34,030 --> 00:26:37,910 - The stuff that I went through, my character went through 529 00:26:39,940 --> 00:26:43,800 was a way for him to sort of look into the future and see 530 00:26:45,020 --> 00:26:46,370 what happens to these guys. 531 00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:52,533 When I look at the victims, when look at their faces, 532 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,310 all I can see-- 533 00:26:57,310 --> 00:26:58,360 - [Boy] Daddy, Daddy. 534 00:26:59,870 --> 00:27:02,670 - Now, when Frank works his cases, 535 00:27:02,670 --> 00:27:04,990 he gets into the mind of the killer. 536 00:27:04,990 --> 00:27:08,030 He sees what the killer sees, and implicit in that 537 00:27:08,030 --> 00:27:10,700 is the idea that he takes himself out of that. 538 00:27:10,700 --> 00:27:13,410 Jim Horn is exactly the opposite. 539 00:27:13,410 --> 00:27:16,820 He can't separate himself like Frank does 540 00:27:16,820 --> 00:27:20,700 from what he's seeing or what he thinks the killer is doing. 541 00:27:20,700 --> 00:27:23,760 - If you make every one of these personal, you'll go insane. 542 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,650 And that's from having been there, James. 543 00:27:25,650 --> 00:27:27,020 It was really important to me 544 00:27:27,020 --> 00:27:30,333 to have Frank Black be a non-judgemental person. 545 00:27:31,452 --> 00:27:33,650 You knew that people had to be taken off the street 546 00:27:33,650 --> 00:27:37,230 that were causing mayhem and great pain to other people, 547 00:27:37,230 --> 00:27:39,860 but it wasn't about judging anybody 548 00:27:39,860 --> 00:27:41,520 because you're not gonna get any information 549 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,070 once you made that decision. 550 00:27:43,070 --> 00:27:46,450 Somebody has to stay sane in that situation, 551 00:27:46,450 --> 00:27:48,970 and I thought Frank Black was that way. 552 00:27:48,970 --> 00:27:50,760 - I don't think the show was meant to be 553 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,853 sort of a procedural drama like so many procedural dramas, 554 00:27:53,853 --> 00:27:56,300 because they really do just become about 555 00:27:56,300 --> 00:27:57,900 there's a bad guy out there 556 00:27:57,900 --> 00:27:59,870 and what clues are we gonna find. 557 00:27:59,870 --> 00:28:01,300 He was going to get the bad guy. 558 00:28:01,300 --> 00:28:04,040 So you needed other pathways, 559 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,050 other things, other relationships. 560 00:28:06,050 --> 00:28:08,080 - I could see the child in everyone. 561 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,920 When you see anybody, any person, stranger or not, 562 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,330 wherever you are, if you look in a very relaxed way, 563 00:28:15,330 --> 00:28:17,510 you can see the child in them. 564 00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:20,900 And I'd rather engage somebody 565 00:28:20,900 --> 00:28:22,380 in having that piece of knowledge. 566 00:28:22,380 --> 00:28:25,610 Because there's a lot of forgiveness, 567 00:28:25,610 --> 00:28:28,310 and a child struggling to find an answer, 568 00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:31,250 and a lot of people, in life, 569 00:28:31,250 --> 00:28:32,710 they're struggling for an answer, 570 00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:36,020 and some are successful and some are not. 571 00:28:36,020 --> 00:28:39,350 (eerie music) 572 00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:42,893 Originally, they were gonna call Millennium 2000, 573 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:45,960 and they changed it to Millennium. 574 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,410 And I thought, what a great idea, 575 00:28:47,410 --> 00:28:50,790 because 2000 is just as cold as ice. 576 00:28:50,790 --> 00:28:54,436 Millennium makes you think, it implies a lot. 577 00:28:54,436 --> 00:28:59,436 - That flaw that got put into the system 578 00:28:59,590 --> 00:29:03,610 in terms of two digits for a date instead of four 579 00:29:03,610 --> 00:29:08,610 has become, over the last 25 years, absolutely pervasive. 580 00:29:09,070 --> 00:29:13,320 - People don't remember that at that time, '97, '98, '99, 581 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,690 this millennial thing was real 582 00:29:15,690 --> 00:29:18,080 And there was a sense of anticipation, 583 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,320 a sense almost of foreboding. 584 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,500 - [Newscaster] 70% of Americans buying emergency supplies 585 00:29:23,500 --> 00:29:25,253 to welcome the new year. 586 00:29:27,090 --> 00:29:30,510 - Y2K, you know, there was gonna be this Y2K thing. 587 00:29:30,510 --> 00:29:32,350 Everybody was a little bit on pins and needles 588 00:29:32,350 --> 00:29:34,400 about the millennium, 589 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,560 and this show is the only show in popular culture 590 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,430 that I know of that really tapped into that 591 00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:44,240 in a very real way. 592 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,670 - People were not so much afraid of the millennium bug 593 00:29:46,670 --> 00:29:48,600 as they were afraid that there would be some sort of 594 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,750 soul-wrenching worldwide change. 595 00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:55,450 And I never believed that the Y2K bug was gonna be anything. 596 00:29:55,450 --> 00:29:58,180 But Millennium, which started a lot earlier than that, 597 00:29:58,180 --> 00:30:02,250 started in '96, was about the fear that there would be 598 00:30:02,250 --> 00:30:03,900 some kind of worldwide change. 599 00:30:03,900 --> 00:30:05,660 - If you look back on the show now, 600 00:30:05,660 --> 00:30:08,550 I think it was actually more on target than we realized 601 00:30:08,550 --> 00:30:09,383 at the time. 602 00:30:09,383 --> 00:30:11,530 I think looking back on the show now, 603 00:30:11,530 --> 00:30:13,900 I think something did end as it turned out it ended 604 00:30:13,900 --> 00:30:18,900 September 11th, 2001 not December 31st, 1999 605 00:30:18,900 --> 00:30:20,941 but pretty close to the turn of the millennium. 606 00:30:20,941 --> 00:30:23,524 (somber music) 607 00:30:39,655 --> 00:30:41,493 - [Newscaster] We see the lights shining from the spot 608 00:30:41,493 --> 00:30:45,913 where the Twin Towers once stood, a symbol of what was lost. 609 00:30:45,913 --> 00:30:50,913 - And I think it was a sense of dread 610 00:30:53,210 --> 00:30:54,360 that something was coming to an end 611 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:55,790 and we didn't know what it was. 612 00:30:55,790 --> 00:30:57,950 My memory was, very clearly, 613 00:30:57,950 --> 00:30:59,800 there was nothing supernatural about the show 614 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:00,770 in the beginning. 615 00:31:00,770 --> 00:31:02,830 And that, really, Chris wanted that to be a way 616 00:31:02,830 --> 00:31:05,930 to differentiate Millennium from The X-Files. 617 00:31:05,930 --> 00:31:08,670 And Chris, in my recollection anyway, 618 00:31:08,670 --> 00:31:11,170 was not somebody who believed in the supernatural. 619 00:31:11,170 --> 00:31:12,960 So we thought this was being truer 620 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,330 and it was gonna be more terrifying than The X-Files 621 00:31:15,330 --> 00:31:19,120 because it didn't give you the out of well, it's monster, 622 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:19,953 well, that's an alien. 623 00:31:19,953 --> 00:31:21,710 It's like, no, this is real, this is the real evil 624 00:31:21,710 --> 00:31:24,070 that's out there in the world that you're afraid to look at. 625 00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:26,700 So it would be even harder for you to go to sleep at night 626 00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:28,000 after watching Millennium. 627 00:31:29,310 --> 00:31:32,250 But I think what he became aware of 628 00:31:32,250 --> 00:31:35,100 and he ultimately embraced with the Lucy Butler character 629 00:31:36,750 --> 00:31:41,490 was that it was hard to make a show of ideas 630 00:31:41,490 --> 00:31:44,810 and not start to embrace the supernatural on some level. 631 00:31:44,810 --> 00:31:47,350 - So Lucy Butler was kind of the devil personified, 632 00:31:47,350 --> 00:31:52,350 and while I, you know, as I stated that, you know, 633 00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:56,220 I don't think that the devil himself, 634 00:31:56,220 --> 00:31:58,960 the guy with the pitchfork is running amongst us, 635 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,710 I believe there are people who do personify evil. 636 00:32:01,710 --> 00:32:04,193 I've met these people, I've look them in the eye. 637 00:32:05,620 --> 00:32:10,620 I've experienced that kind of perfect self-interest 638 00:32:11,090 --> 00:32:16,090 that evil is, and the lack of compassion and empathy. 639 00:32:16,330 --> 00:32:20,470 - I had an audition for Millennium, and I went home, 640 00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:21,632 and a couple of days later, 641 00:32:21,632 --> 00:32:24,030 the casting director called me at home, 642 00:32:24,030 --> 00:32:26,917 which is pretty unusual, and she said, 643 00:32:26,917 --> 00:32:28,427 "Well, I have good news and bad news. 644 00:32:28,427 --> 00:32:32,647 "And the bad news is that the part got cut. 645 00:32:32,647 --> 00:32:34,220 "And the good news is 646 00:32:35,287 --> 00:32:38,177 "Chris Carter has written a recurring role for you 647 00:32:38,177 --> 00:32:40,977 "on Millennium to play the devil. 648 00:32:40,977 --> 00:32:43,400 "Would you like to take it?" 649 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,610 - I have worked with Sarah-Jane a number of times since then 650 00:32:46,610 --> 00:32:48,700 because of meeting her on Millennium, 651 00:32:48,700 --> 00:32:53,533 and she is, first of all, she is such an unusual actress. 652 00:32:54,930 --> 00:32:59,640 Her speech pattern is slightly different, 653 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,590 it's very interesting. 654 00:33:01,590 --> 00:33:04,290 She's very sensitive. 655 00:33:04,290 --> 00:33:08,910 She is powerful, in a way, 656 00:33:08,910 --> 00:33:11,328 I would say Sarah-Jane is powerful. 657 00:33:11,328 --> 00:33:15,300 - Oh, what do you wanna know about Butler? 658 00:33:15,300 --> 00:33:19,830 Well, first of all, she's probably the one of the most 659 00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:23,860 naturally sensual people in the world. 660 00:33:23,860 --> 00:33:26,610 I mean, if there was a devil, 661 00:33:26,610 --> 00:33:29,620 he's not gonna come at you with horns on his head. 662 00:33:29,620 --> 00:33:32,109 He's gonna come at you and seduce you. 663 00:33:32,109 --> 00:33:33,200 - Was it a woman 664 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:34,580 - Why do you ask? 665 00:33:34,580 --> 00:33:35,990 - The way you were looking at me. 666 00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:38,120 - She was very seductive. 667 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:39,653 She was super intelligent. 668 00:33:40,810 --> 00:33:44,610 And everything she said was like, maybe that's true, 669 00:33:44,610 --> 00:33:46,250 maybe that's true. 670 00:33:46,250 --> 00:33:47,520 And I do remember, 671 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,560 these were conversations I would have with Chris like, 672 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,010 the devil always says so much that's true 673 00:33:52,890 --> 00:33:54,503 that it confuses you. 674 00:33:55,580 --> 00:33:57,330 It tempts you to lose your way. 675 00:33:57,330 --> 00:33:59,190 - Mike Nichols said something incredible 676 00:33:59,190 --> 00:34:03,170 that there's only three elements that make up all drama, 677 00:34:03,170 --> 00:34:06,710 negotiation, seduction, or warfare. 678 00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:09,400 Butler was a great seductress 679 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,670 - There's a scene in the interrogation room, 680 00:34:12,670 --> 00:34:14,590 that's one of my favorite scenes. 681 00:34:14,590 --> 00:34:15,790 If you remember, in the episode, 682 00:34:15,790 --> 00:34:17,983 I'm sitting on the edge of the desk. 683 00:34:19,300 --> 00:34:23,160 And Frank Black comes into the room, 684 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,703 and without looking at him I say, hi, Frank. 685 00:34:27,260 --> 00:34:28,093 I think it was written 686 00:34:28,093 --> 00:34:32,290 that I was just sitting in the interrogation room 687 00:34:32,290 --> 00:34:34,281 waiting for him, and I said to Thomas, 688 00:34:34,281 --> 00:34:38,520 can I sit on the edge of the table with my legs dangling 689 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,090 with my back to the door, so that when he comes in, 690 00:34:41,090 --> 00:34:43,570 I already know who's coming in the room? 691 00:34:43,570 --> 00:34:47,647 And Thomas said, "Yeah, I love that, that's fantastic." 692 00:34:48,820 --> 00:34:49,653 Hi. 693 00:34:53,290 --> 00:34:54,600 - You were in my house 694 00:34:56,690 --> 00:34:59,550 - And then it just started this whole 695 00:34:59,550 --> 00:35:04,033 kinda different vibe to it, of this playful kind of, 696 00:35:07,197 --> 00:35:09,850 don't think you have the power, you don't have the power. 697 00:35:09,850 --> 00:35:14,480 - The equivalent to suddenly getting dosed 698 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,700 like walking into a marijuana lounge in Amsterdam 699 00:35:18,700 --> 00:35:21,200 when you suddenly, can I have a Coke, 700 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,800 and then suddenly you're stoned. 701 00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:24,943 And that's what it was like to be around her 702 00:35:24,943 --> 00:35:29,140 because she was always like touching, hitting that button, 703 00:35:29,140 --> 00:35:30,483 touching that button. 704 00:35:31,620 --> 00:35:34,170 Yes, she's a wonderful actress, by the way. 705 00:35:34,170 --> 00:35:35,470 But she had that naturally 706 00:35:35,470 --> 00:35:38,210 and then put her talent on top of that as an actress 707 00:35:38,210 --> 00:35:43,210 and really, yep. (laughing) 708 00:35:44,389 --> 00:35:45,510 - It was electric. 709 00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:47,375 That's the only way to describe it. 710 00:35:47,375 --> 00:35:51,630 It was looking right at somebody 711 00:35:51,630 --> 00:35:56,630 and really daring them to play, and to play dangerously. 712 00:35:59,670 --> 00:36:01,540 - The character evolved. 713 00:36:01,540 --> 00:36:05,010 I don't think that any of us really realized 714 00:36:05,010 --> 00:36:07,210 what that character would be when we first, 715 00:36:07,210 --> 00:36:08,860 that very first episode, 716 00:36:08,860 --> 00:36:13,360 as I think a lot of things in Millennium, you learn a little 717 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,050 and then characters and storylines would evolve 718 00:36:17,050 --> 00:36:19,050 and it turned out to be something completely different 719 00:36:19,050 --> 00:36:21,271 than what you thought it would be. 720 00:36:21,271 --> 00:36:23,940 - There was a guy who played a captain at a police station 721 00:36:23,940 --> 00:36:28,420 in the show, and he ended up getting killed 722 00:36:29,470 --> 00:36:31,520 They hung him from the ceiling by a hook. 723 00:36:33,490 --> 00:36:35,380 And then it got almost supernatural 724 00:36:35,380 --> 00:36:38,957 because I had to talk to him while he had his throat cut. 725 00:36:38,957 --> 00:36:41,420 (intense music) 726 00:36:41,420 --> 00:36:43,570 And he's sitting in a chair, 727 00:36:43,570 --> 00:36:48,570 and I'm trying to almost supernaturally talking to him 728 00:36:50,250 --> 00:36:51,601 like it was a dream. 729 00:36:51,601 --> 00:36:54,351 (dramatic music) 730 00:36:57,270 --> 00:37:00,123 Some things that came into the show were like, whoa. 731 00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:03,490 You know, because I'm such a primitive 732 00:37:03,490 --> 00:37:05,010 that I need some reality. 733 00:37:05,010 --> 00:37:08,740 I mean, is this a dream or is it really happening? 734 00:37:08,740 --> 00:37:12,090 I mean, and I have to make the choice 735 00:37:12,090 --> 00:37:15,050 because otherwise my reality would be corrupted. 736 00:37:15,050 --> 00:37:16,767 - We did open the door to the supernatural 737 00:37:16,767 --> 00:37:21,767 and the show evolved to allow for that over time, 738 00:37:21,860 --> 00:37:24,399 which I think was the right thing to do. 739 00:37:24,399 --> 00:37:26,040 It was just something we understood as the show went on. 740 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,800 - I kinda like the idea of the yellow house, really. 741 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,383 And that was Frank's safe haven. 742 00:37:31,383 --> 00:37:35,050 Of course as time went on, a lot of the problems he has 743 00:37:35,050 --> 00:37:38,977 slowly crept into the house, with his wife, his family, 744 00:37:38,977 --> 00:37:40,770 the house, everything. 745 00:37:40,770 --> 00:37:42,470 - We're raising a daughter, Frank. 746 00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:45,880 The real world starts to seep in. 747 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,283 You can't stop it. 748 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:53,680 The thing that really would frighten you, I think, 749 00:37:53,690 --> 00:37:58,140 is not your own personal loss or being harmed yourself 750 00:37:58,140 --> 00:38:01,090 but the kind of pain that you would go through 751 00:38:01,090 --> 00:38:03,380 for the loss of someone else, 752 00:38:03,380 --> 00:38:06,840 the danger of having your child in danger, 753 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,280 that's scary stuff. 754 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,860 That's where I don't think people even know 755 00:38:11,860 --> 00:38:14,150 how they would deal with a situation like that. 756 00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:17,410 - Once certain perpetrators had attacked my family, 757 00:38:17,410 --> 00:38:19,180 it's a whole other thing. 758 00:38:19,180 --> 00:38:23,510 Now I'm as vulnerable as anybody, with the thought of, 759 00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:26,203 how am I gonna live up to what my beliefs are? 760 00:38:27,900 --> 00:38:30,400 (eerie music) 761 00:38:35,220 --> 00:38:37,970 - When we did Millennium, the first season, 762 00:38:37,970 --> 00:38:40,930 Chris let go of the guys who were supposed to run the show 763 00:38:40,930 --> 00:38:41,853 almost right away. 764 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:47,040 And that was a big problem because suddenly Chris and I 765 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:51,550 were literally running two massive shows at once. 766 00:38:51,550 --> 00:38:55,350 I mean, that was, what, 48, 49 hours of television. 767 00:38:55,350 --> 00:38:57,853 When that first season ended, 768 00:38:58,950 --> 00:39:00,980 we knew we couldn't do that again. 769 00:39:00,980 --> 00:39:04,390 so he asked me if I wanted to take over Millennium, 770 00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:07,120 leave X-Files and just take over Millennium, 771 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,540 and I didn't want to leave X-Files, 772 00:39:10,540 --> 00:39:13,460 I was emotionally attached X-Files, and I didn't feel ready. 773 00:39:13,460 --> 00:39:15,610 - When 20th Century Fox saw 774 00:39:15,610 --> 00:39:18,070 what was happening with the movie, X-Files movie, 775 00:39:18,070 --> 00:39:19,660 and with The X-Files, 776 00:39:19,660 --> 00:39:21,400 they actually sort of went out on their own 777 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,170 and reached out to Morgan and Wong, 778 00:39:23,170 --> 00:39:28,170 who had just come off of their own show, 779 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:29,820 and asked them to step in. 780 00:39:29,820 --> 00:39:32,740 So, actually, that announcement 781 00:39:32,740 --> 00:39:35,220 kind of came as a surprise to me. 782 00:39:35,220 --> 00:39:37,570 But, you know, they're fully capable folk. 783 00:39:37,570 --> 00:39:40,050 They had done great work on The X-Files. 784 00:39:40,050 --> 00:39:41,060 I thought they would continue 785 00:39:41,060 --> 00:39:42,570 to do great work on Millennium. 786 00:39:42,570 --> 00:39:43,957 - It was just different. 787 00:39:43,957 --> 00:39:46,220 It was a different take on the show 788 00:39:46,220 --> 00:39:50,400 and it was more anthology, I would say, 789 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:55,400 that they didn't focus specifically on killers. 790 00:39:55,460 --> 00:39:58,080 It was more about the Group. 791 00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,750 - When we went in the second season, 792 00:39:59,750 --> 00:40:04,270 it became a whole new show, as far as I was concerned. 793 00:40:04,270 --> 00:40:08,070 And I liked the first season, 794 00:40:08,070 --> 00:40:10,270 I liked where it was going, first season. 795 00:40:10,270 --> 00:40:11,830 I liked the grittiness. 796 00:40:11,830 --> 00:40:14,313 Second season got a little wandery. 797 00:40:16,467 --> 00:40:19,270 And even though we did some interesting stuff, 798 00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:20,103 really interesting stuff. 799 00:40:20,103 --> 00:40:22,960 - Except it wasn't really into the kind of procedural 800 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,880 serial killer kind of stuff then, but I liked 801 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,170 when it started to get into more of the mythology. 802 00:40:30,170 --> 00:40:31,860 - Yeah. - More biblical mythology. 803 00:40:31,860 --> 00:40:32,910 - Yeah, and we were really interested 804 00:40:32,910 --> 00:40:34,710 in the Millennium Group specifically, 805 00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:37,150 and what they might really be, 806 00:40:37,150 --> 00:40:38,910 and that was what they were gonna do, 807 00:40:38,910 --> 00:40:42,030 so we were, yeah, we actually just walked into 808 00:40:42,030 --> 00:40:44,370 exactly what they were planning. 809 00:40:44,370 --> 00:40:46,137 - Glen said, "We're not gonna do 810 00:40:46,137 --> 00:40:50,660 "too many internal POV visions for Frank. 811 00:40:50,660 --> 00:40:52,197 "We're gonna try to tone that down a little bit, 812 00:40:52,197 --> 00:40:55,527 "so use it sparingly and, you know, 813 00:40:55,527 --> 00:40:56,950 "when it's really important." 814 00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:58,900 - It was interesting too because at the beginning, 815 00:40:58,900 --> 00:41:01,580 of course, in the first season, it was all intuition. 816 00:41:01,580 --> 00:41:05,120 So that and the visions were used 817 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,900 to just visualize his intuition. 818 00:41:08,900 --> 00:41:12,440 But we really like the idea of taking everything further, 819 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:13,840 taking the Millennium Group further, 820 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,710 and then taking the visions further and saying, 821 00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:19,354 there is something, he is connected to something. 822 00:41:19,354 --> 00:41:20,187 (dramatic music) 823 00:41:20,187 --> 00:41:23,187 - I've had these visions before you. 824 00:41:31,164 --> 00:41:31,997 (gasping) 825 00:41:31,997 --> 00:41:33,550 - And, you know, that he's able to handle this. 826 00:41:33,550 --> 00:41:36,580 I think that was one reason for Laura and for her 827 00:41:36,580 --> 00:41:37,880 not being able to handle it, 828 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,230 'cause she was having the same sort of thing that he was, 829 00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:42,750 but he was able to deal with it a lot better. 830 00:41:42,750 --> 00:41:44,810 - Frank Black in the middle of season two 831 00:41:44,810 --> 00:41:46,730 begins to go through this change. 832 00:41:46,730 --> 00:41:49,100 Who am I when I'm not the Frank Black 833 00:41:49,100 --> 00:41:51,350 who's the profiler working for the Millennium Group? 834 00:41:51,350 --> 00:41:54,270 Who am I when I'm not married to Catherine, 835 00:41:54,270 --> 00:41:57,210 when I don't have this sanctuary of the yellow house 836 00:41:57,210 --> 00:41:58,043 to go back to? 837 00:41:58,043 --> 00:42:00,349 Who am I if my father is gone? 838 00:42:00,349 --> 00:42:03,099 (dramatic music) 839 00:42:07,260 --> 00:42:12,260 - We wanted to do like a kind of Christmas mythology 840 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,070 type of episode, 841 00:42:15,070 --> 00:42:18,640 and we like the idea of using Frank's father. 842 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,940 That was really a collaboration to come up with 843 00:42:21,940 --> 00:42:25,220 what his relationship was like with his father. 844 00:42:25,220 --> 00:42:26,610 - Well, take off your coat, stay a while. 845 00:42:26,610 --> 00:42:28,890 We've got a lot of years to talk over. 846 00:42:28,890 --> 00:42:30,540 - I don't think we do. 847 00:42:30,540 --> 00:42:32,550 - We also wanted to further explore 848 00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:34,710 where his visions came from 849 00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:39,710 and the idea that his mother was sort of contacting him. 850 00:42:39,740 --> 00:42:42,300 - She told me that her grandmother helped to draw it. 851 00:42:42,300 --> 00:42:43,133 - So? 852 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,173 - Not my mother, Frank. 853 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:47,319 Yours. 854 00:42:47,319 --> 00:42:51,070 - The Christmas show we did, which I loved, I really did. 855 00:42:51,070 --> 00:42:52,773 It was so fantastical. 856 00:42:53,630 --> 00:42:56,230 But the people in it were real and they were wonderful. 857 00:42:56,230 --> 00:43:01,230 And so, to have a theme that comes like different rivers 858 00:43:02,390 --> 00:43:05,580 meeting at this moment and then branch out again, 859 00:43:05,580 --> 00:43:10,580 but keep the audience connected so they're involved. 860 00:43:10,730 --> 00:43:14,800 You can talk more about things, you know what I mean? 861 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,063 So rather than solving them at nine o'clock. 862 00:43:17,063 --> 00:43:19,813 (dramatic music) 863 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:22,540 - [Lecturer] To us on Earth, 864 00:43:22,540 --> 00:43:25,290 the stars are fixed, and the planets, sluggish. 865 00:43:25,290 --> 00:43:27,340 - Luminary was one of my favorite shows 866 00:43:27,340 --> 00:43:31,360 because it was so understandable. 867 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:36,170 I remember myself as a young man back in the '60s. 868 00:43:36,170 --> 00:43:41,170 If I wanna go from New York to the northern tip of Canada 869 00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:45,320 or Alaska, I would have done it if I'd gotten the idea. 870 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:46,563 I felt invincible. 871 00:43:47,970 --> 00:43:49,715 - I didn't wanna die. 872 00:43:49,715 --> 00:43:51,147 I wanted to be alive. 873 00:43:51,147 --> 00:43:53,920 - And if you add spirituality to that 874 00:43:55,210 --> 00:43:58,890 and try to find your soul, you know, 875 00:43:58,890 --> 00:44:01,440 a young man trying to find his soul, it was, again, 876 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,090 it was Frank Black putting himself out on the edge 877 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,710 trying to rescue someone. 878 00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:12,215 Alex, Alex, come on. 879 00:44:12,215 --> 00:44:13,382 Alex, come on. 880 00:44:15,470 --> 00:44:17,670 I think there is an element of rescuer 881 00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:19,860 in Frank Black for sure. 882 00:44:19,860 --> 00:44:23,670 I mean, there has to be, because otherwise, what drives him? 883 00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:25,460 That's got to be it. 884 00:44:25,460 --> 00:44:28,645 One soul is worth all the people in the world. 885 00:44:28,645 --> 00:44:29,720 One at a time. 886 00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:30,887 - And I had people say to me, 887 00:44:30,887 --> 00:44:33,590 "John, how can you like this show about monsters?" 888 00:44:33,590 --> 00:44:36,230 And I say, well, you have Millennium all wrong. 889 00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:38,550 Millennium isn't about these monsters. 890 00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:42,660 It's about how people like you and I respond to monsters, 891 00:44:42,660 --> 00:44:47,580 to the evil in humanity, and Frank Black is our icon. 892 00:44:47,580 --> 00:44:50,890 He's the person who cares, he's the person who steps up 893 00:44:50,890 --> 00:44:53,100 to fight these monsters. 894 00:44:53,100 --> 00:44:55,487 The second aspect that was important to the '90s 895 00:44:55,487 --> 00:44:57,110 and to the context of Millennium 896 00:44:57,110 --> 00:44:59,220 was the ascent of the internet. 897 00:44:59,220 --> 00:45:01,680 - There were, in the early days of the internet, 898 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,920 people who would point a camera at a turtle. 899 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,320 They'd call it Turtle Cam. 900 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:06,250 They'd say, look, my turtle. 901 00:45:06,250 --> 00:45:07,950 And you could anytime day or night see 902 00:45:07,950 --> 00:45:10,210 what this guy's turtle is doing. 903 00:45:10,210 --> 00:45:12,907 Then, a girl said, a girl named Jenni said, 904 00:45:12,907 --> 00:45:14,680 I'm going to create JenniCam. 905 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,323 - I am Jenni from The JenniCam. 906 00:45:16,323 --> 00:45:19,200 - It's gonna be just like Turtle Cam, except it will be me. 907 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,490 She put a camera on herself 24 hours a day, 908 00:45:22,490 --> 00:45:25,950 and it included her doing mostly mundane tasks, 909 00:45:25,950 --> 00:45:30,210 but also having sex and eating dinner and who knows what. 910 00:45:30,210 --> 00:45:31,043 But when I saw that, 911 00:45:31,043 --> 00:45:34,420 I realized that we could have a crime scene 912 00:45:34,420 --> 00:45:38,750 that no one knows where it is, no one knows who it is, 913 00:45:38,750 --> 00:45:42,080 no one knows who the victim or the murderer is, 914 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:46,270 that's a brilliant setup for a classic 915 00:45:46,270 --> 00:45:47,850 kind of locked room mystery. 916 00:45:47,850 --> 00:45:50,760 - Millennium specifically featured this aspect 917 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,630 in a second season story called The Mikado, 918 00:45:53,630 --> 00:45:56,420 where there was a serial killer who was committing crimes 919 00:45:56,420 --> 00:45:59,800 on the internet and Frank had to go and try to find out 920 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:01,610 where are these crimes actually being committed, 921 00:46:01,610 --> 00:46:03,540 we can see the website, 922 00:46:03,540 --> 00:46:04,960 and when it reaches certain number of hits, 923 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,062 he's going to livestream his murder of this victim. 924 00:46:08,062 --> 00:46:10,835 (dramatic music) 925 00:46:10,835 --> 00:46:13,665 (computer beeps) 926 00:46:13,665 --> 00:46:14,640 (all gasping) 927 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:15,620 - God! 928 00:46:15,620 --> 00:46:18,133 We gotta tell somebody. (modem screeching) 929 00:46:18,133 --> 00:46:19,080 - What are we gonna tell them? 930 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,080 - We need proof, hit print or something. 931 00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:21,490 Hit print, hit print! 932 00:46:21,490 --> 00:46:22,960 - A big part of Y2K fears, 933 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,900 where the fear that the technology of world 934 00:46:24,900 --> 00:46:27,620 is outrunning our ability to deal with it. 935 00:46:27,620 --> 00:46:30,460 And The Mikado was a lot about that, 936 00:46:30,460 --> 00:46:33,010 about how technology not only helps you, 937 00:46:33,010 --> 00:46:35,922 it helps the people who are victimizing you. 938 00:46:35,922 --> 00:46:38,422 (eerie music) 939 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,170 There was like a very millennial thing that happened 940 00:46:45,170 --> 00:46:48,340 while in between the two seasons in real life, 941 00:46:48,340 --> 00:46:53,050 there was a suicide cult that believed that a comet, 942 00:46:53,050 --> 00:46:55,640 it was crossing paths, and visible from Earth 943 00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,170 was gonna transport them to heaven, 944 00:46:57,170 --> 00:46:59,290 and they're called The Heaven's Gate Cult. 945 00:46:59,290 --> 00:47:00,310 They all killed themselves. 946 00:47:00,310 --> 00:47:03,040 I thought, this is a terrific idea for a Millennium episode 947 00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,330 because nothing could be more millennial. 948 00:47:05,330 --> 00:47:07,410 Broke the story with Morgan and Wong, actually, 949 00:47:07,410 --> 00:47:08,640 and then wrote the script, 950 00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,660 but by the time the script came out, 951 00:47:10,660 --> 00:47:13,510 I think they were on to a whole different conception 952 00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:15,850 for the season than we had started with. 953 00:47:15,850 --> 00:47:18,853 And that was when you go to the Owls and the Roosters stuff. 954 00:47:20,030 --> 00:47:21,570 - [Mr. Dean] Only twice in 2,000 years 955 00:47:21,570 --> 00:47:24,080 has the Millennium Group been so divided. 956 00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,573 But this is our darkest hour. 957 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,050 - I never thought members would kill members. 958 00:47:31,460 --> 00:47:33,573 - [Peter] You think the Owls took the cross? 959 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,740 - It's my feeling that, it's a classical feeling 960 00:47:39,740 --> 00:47:43,320 that all power is corrupted eventually. 961 00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:48,030 And they all are power only because they are so clandestine. 962 00:47:48,030 --> 00:47:50,690 They don't rear their head, they don't face the music 963 00:47:50,690 --> 00:47:52,313 for everything they manipulate. 964 00:47:53,220 --> 00:47:57,450 And so, it wasn't a terrible surprise to me. 965 00:47:57,450 --> 00:48:01,180 The hardest thing was Peter Watts 966 00:48:01,180 --> 00:48:03,593 because I did grow to really respect him. 967 00:48:05,130 --> 00:48:06,670 But as the Millennium Group goes, 968 00:48:06,670 --> 00:48:10,240 he was so mysterious and so at a distance. 969 00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:15,240 I was always wary of them and knew that it can be corrupted. 970 00:48:16,540 --> 00:48:18,120 I should have called the police. 971 00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:19,210 - Are you with them? 972 00:48:19,210 --> 00:48:21,120 I'm not even sure I'm with you. 973 00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,000 I don't know who or what you are exactly. 974 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,330 There is a line in Shakespeare where it says, 975 00:48:25,330 --> 00:48:29,113 to sup with the devil, you need a longer spoon. 976 00:48:30,540 --> 00:48:32,733 And I felt about them that way. 977 00:48:33,650 --> 00:48:36,400 Terry O'Quinn did a great job of playing Peter Watts, 978 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,890 and I thought he has, talk about a seduction of friendship, 979 00:48:40,890 --> 00:48:45,000 this guy, he was my buddy, he was this, he was that, 980 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,490 but he always had an agenda, 981 00:48:47,490 --> 00:48:50,540 and I could feel the agenda whenever I talk to him. 982 00:48:50,540 --> 00:48:54,200 So it always kept me like a little on guard, 983 00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,370 supping maybe with the devil. 984 00:48:56,370 --> 00:48:59,060 - So Anamnesis, basically, was going to be, 985 00:48:59,060 --> 00:49:03,310 we were going to be doing the Easter episode. (laughing) 986 00:49:03,310 --> 00:49:05,260 I mean, I can't even imagine the blasphemy 987 00:49:05,260 --> 00:49:07,220 we would have gotten if that had been-- 988 00:49:07,220 --> 00:49:10,034 - Been the Easter episode. - The Easter episode. 989 00:49:10,034 --> 00:49:14,275 ♪ Oh god I feel for you ♪ 990 00:49:14,275 --> 00:49:15,108 ♪ The plot of our lives ♪ 991 00:49:15,108 --> 00:49:16,115 ♪ Sweats in the dark ♪ (gun firing) 992 00:49:16,115 --> 00:49:18,276 (people screaming) 993 00:49:18,276 --> 00:49:20,920 - I don't really remember there being any problems 994 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:22,440 until the first day of shooting, 995 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:23,273 - Yeah. 996 00:49:23,273 --> 00:49:26,490 - when suddenly Standards and Practices went, wait a minute. 997 00:49:26,490 --> 00:49:29,000 - When they realized we were saying 998 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,813 that Jesus and Mary Magdalene had had a child, 999 00:49:34,060 --> 00:49:36,130 which they didn't really pick up on then, 1000 00:49:36,130 --> 00:49:38,920 and then our Standards person got, she was wonderful, 1001 00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,300 and she goes, "You guys can't do that." 1002 00:49:41,300 --> 00:49:43,040 - And Glen goes, "Why not?" - Yeah. 1003 00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,823 And so, we were on a conference call for hours. 1004 00:49:45,823 --> 00:49:47,710 - [Both] Three-hour conference call 1005 00:49:47,710 --> 00:49:50,302 - going, we're shooting right now. 1006 00:49:50,302 --> 00:49:53,280 - Yeah, and, yeah, that was crazy. 1007 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:54,830 And it was funny because part of that call 1008 00:49:54,830 --> 00:49:56,410 became Darin's inspiration 1009 00:49:56,410 --> 00:49:59,220 for Suddenly Satan Got Behind Me, 1010 00:49:59,220 --> 00:50:02,213 because at one point Linda actually did say, 1011 00:50:02,213 --> 00:50:04,790 - Because I am Broadcast Standards and Practices, 1012 00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:07,080 and I bear the burden of maintaining a nation's morality 1013 00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:08,900 on my very shoulders. 1014 00:50:08,900 --> 00:50:11,320 - There was so much comedy in that episode. 1015 00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,850 You're killing yourself laughing, watching those old guys, 1016 00:50:13,850 --> 00:50:15,750 and all that prosthetics. 1017 00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:18,530 - You're talking about the devils, you know, 1018 00:50:18,530 --> 00:50:21,700 having lunch at the donut shop. 1019 00:50:21,700 --> 00:50:25,040 - Hey, maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I tell you, 1020 00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,020 things didn't use to be this way. 1021 00:50:27,020 --> 00:50:29,240 - I actually screamed from the rooftop 1022 00:50:29,240 --> 00:50:31,093 at the guy that wrote that. 1023 00:50:32,050 --> 00:50:34,970 He was down on the street and I was up five flights 1024 00:50:34,970 --> 00:50:36,534 on a roof. 1025 00:50:36,534 --> 00:50:38,070 And I holler down at him, 1026 00:50:38,070 --> 00:50:41,753 is it your intention to mock everything that you respect? 1027 00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,540 I screamed it at him. 1028 00:50:44,540 --> 00:50:46,650 I just had to surrender. 1029 00:50:46,650 --> 00:50:49,303 Again, look, man, I'm only an actor. 1030 00:50:50,458 --> 00:50:52,273 And I have a limited education. 1031 00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:54,980 And these scripts come in 1032 00:50:54,980 --> 00:50:58,630 with guys that have been in college, graduates, 1033 00:50:58,630 --> 00:51:01,780 they write well, they're very inventive, 1034 00:51:01,780 --> 00:51:03,690 and now it falls in my lap 1035 00:51:03,690 --> 00:51:08,690 like I was catching an unborn cow in my arms, you know. 1036 00:51:11,137 --> 00:51:11,970 (chuckling) 1037 00:51:11,970 --> 00:51:14,480 Bloomp, there it is and I gotta live with it, that's it. 1038 00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,873 You know, anyway, there you go, one of my metaphors. 1039 00:51:17,873 --> 00:51:20,206 (chuckling) 1040 00:51:21,146 --> 00:51:23,040 (Twohey groaning) 1041 00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:24,790 I'm Rocket McGrain and I do whatever I want 1042 00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:26,560 to maintain my upbeatness. 1043 00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,420 - Every show takes on a life of its own 1044 00:51:28,420 --> 00:51:32,540 because people come in and add to the voice 1045 00:51:32,540 --> 00:51:37,540 and/or find their own passion in the project. 1046 00:51:37,650 --> 00:51:41,310 There were people who investigated things 1047 00:51:41,310 --> 00:51:43,063 that I actually hadn't imagined. 1048 00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:47,290 - Yes, we drew really interesting talented writers, 1049 00:51:47,290 --> 00:51:51,240 but I also think they were shaped by that experience. 1050 00:51:51,240 --> 00:51:53,720 They had to say something or they weren't any good. 1051 00:51:53,720 --> 00:51:57,450 So the writers had to think about them differently 1052 00:51:57,450 --> 00:52:00,186 than they would think about any other show on television. 1053 00:52:00,186 --> 00:52:01,953 ♪ His head against the locker ♪ 1054 00:52:01,953 --> 00:52:04,467 ♪ Started laughing hysterically ♪ 1055 00:52:04,467 --> 00:52:07,600 ♪ When suddenly ♪ 1056 00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:08,570 - You know, I'll be honest, 1057 00:52:08,570 --> 00:52:10,380 I was gonna leave after season one 1058 00:52:10,380 --> 00:52:15,380 'cause it was just so hard, it was honestly so hard, 1059 00:52:17,130 --> 00:52:21,670 I never experienced that much difficulty doing stuff, 1060 00:52:21,670 --> 00:52:24,120 you know, getting episodes out the door 1061 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,210 because the story process was extremely difficult. 1062 00:52:27,210 --> 00:52:29,960 For me, you needed a story that was as interesting 1063 00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:31,217 as something you could make into a movie 1064 00:52:31,217 --> 00:52:33,077 for it to be a good episode, 1065 00:52:33,077 --> 00:52:35,708 and it was very, very hard to come up with these things. 1066 00:52:35,708 --> 00:52:38,070 - What I remember more than anything about that show is 1067 00:52:38,070 --> 00:52:39,250 I've never been so tired, 1068 00:52:39,250 --> 00:52:40,760 I've never worked so hard in my life. 1069 00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,290 I mean, it was a really, really hard show. 1070 00:52:43,290 --> 00:52:45,910 Everybody will just say it was very satisfying 1071 00:52:45,910 --> 00:52:47,740 because the end product was so good 1072 00:52:47,740 --> 00:52:51,180 but boy, oh boy, it was hard. 1073 00:52:51,180 --> 00:52:53,730 - When you're working hard on a show like that, 1074 00:52:53,730 --> 00:52:56,860 what happens is you get very, very fatigued, 1075 00:52:56,860 --> 00:52:59,110 and what happens is you have this, 1076 00:52:59,110 --> 00:53:02,310 you're carrying around a feeling of despair. 1077 00:53:02,310 --> 00:53:05,400 Yet, the only solution is rest. 1078 00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,830 - I liked Glen and Jim enormously, 1079 00:53:07,830 --> 00:53:09,813 and they're hugely talented. 1080 00:53:12,570 --> 00:53:17,570 And we talked very frankly about how I would exit the show, 1081 00:53:17,916 --> 00:53:19,760 what was happening. 1082 00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,323 - It was introduced that Catherine would be leaving, 1083 00:53:23,494 --> 00:53:25,550 and that that's how season three would continue. 1084 00:53:25,550 --> 00:53:28,160 I remember my mom and her 1085 00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:29,830 having a deep conversation about it, 1086 00:53:29,830 --> 00:53:30,850 and then my mom coming to tell me, 1087 00:53:30,850 --> 00:53:32,650 and I remember feeling very confused, 1088 00:53:32,650 --> 00:53:36,000 that I didn't understand why, and like, I didn't know. 1089 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,020 I felt sad about it, I really loved her, 1090 00:53:38,020 --> 00:53:39,470 and she was really fantastic. 1091 00:53:40,810 --> 00:53:42,073 - If I get sick, 1092 00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:45,570 I don't want you to watch me die. 1093 00:53:45,570 --> 00:53:50,570 Well, at least I saved my daughter. (laughing) 1094 00:53:50,580 --> 00:53:54,140 And again, so, if there was a way for mom to exit a show, 1095 00:53:54,140 --> 00:53:57,193 that was kind of the most noble thing to do. 1096 00:53:58,086 --> 00:54:00,586 (eerie music) 1097 00:54:05,777 --> 00:54:08,600 - When it was announced that Millennium would come back 1098 00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,380 for season three, which was very exciting, 1099 00:54:11,380 --> 00:54:13,910 and Morgan and Wong would be leaving, 1100 00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:17,260 I had to look, sort of take an overview 1101 00:54:17,260 --> 00:54:19,800 of what they had done and where they left off. 1102 00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:24,800 I had to shuffle and think about the character Frank Black 1103 00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,460 and how we would be reacting in my mind, 1104 00:54:27,460 --> 00:54:31,630 how I wanted him reacting to the facts of his life 1105 00:54:31,630 --> 00:54:33,480 as they were set out in season two. 1106 00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,707 - I just absolutely assumed as did many other people 1107 00:54:35,707 --> 00:54:38,380 the show is over, they killed many main characters, 1108 00:54:38,380 --> 00:54:41,230 and I think 80% of the Earth's population. 1109 00:54:41,230 --> 00:54:43,277 I was interviewing for other shows and they asked, 1110 00:54:43,277 --> 00:54:44,410 "Is it going to be renewed?" 1111 00:54:44,410 --> 00:54:46,660 I said, let me tell you the final episode. 1112 00:54:46,660 --> 00:54:47,877 I told them exactly what was gonna happen, and they go, 1113 00:54:47,877 --> 00:54:49,460 "Oh, nobody would ever renew that." 1114 00:54:49,460 --> 00:54:52,190 Then they renewed it, we just rolled up our sleeves, 1115 00:54:52,190 --> 00:54:55,970 we went in, we said, let's brainstorm ideas. 1116 00:54:55,970 --> 00:54:57,910 - Chris and I were not eager to resume 1117 00:54:57,910 --> 00:55:01,210 running two TV shows simultaneously again. 1118 00:55:01,210 --> 00:55:03,480 And Chip had done really good work. 1119 00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,740 And Ken was really experienced, 1120 00:55:06,740 --> 00:55:09,720 was part of Ten Thirteen at that time, and so, 1121 00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:13,310 I think we felt Chip and Ken together would be a good team 1122 00:55:13,310 --> 00:55:15,700 to shepherd season three. 1123 00:55:15,700 --> 00:55:19,810 - They burn down the world at the end of season two, 1124 00:55:19,810 --> 00:55:23,070 and I thought they were doing it kinda out of malice, 1125 00:55:23,070 --> 00:55:24,810 and they really were not. 1126 00:55:24,810 --> 00:55:27,630 I found out just from Jim Wong in the last month. 1127 00:55:27,630 --> 00:55:29,287 He said, "Oh, you should have come by and asked us, 1128 00:55:29,287 --> 00:55:31,683 "'cause we had a million ideas about what to do." 1129 00:55:31,683 --> 00:55:33,860 I think there's something that I wasn't so excited 1130 00:55:33,860 --> 00:55:36,820 about then which now after I don't know how many seasons 1131 00:55:36,820 --> 00:55:39,140 of Homeland I'm much more comfortable with, 1132 00:55:39,140 --> 00:55:41,520 which is that you paint yourself 1133 00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,180 into really difficult corners 1134 00:55:43,180 --> 00:55:45,340 and it's fun to get out of them, 1135 00:55:45,340 --> 00:55:47,770 that you can have situations you think are impossible, 1136 00:55:47,770 --> 00:55:49,580 that you think will stop the storytelling, 1137 00:55:49,580 --> 00:55:52,350 that you think will do everything, and they don't. 1138 00:55:52,350 --> 00:55:53,920 And it's better just to live with that, 1139 00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:58,920 so that was a lesson I feel like I learned 1140 00:56:00,100 --> 00:56:01,810 looking back at season three of Millennium. 1141 00:56:01,810 --> 00:56:03,650 That was one of those things I would never do 1142 00:56:03,650 --> 00:56:04,687 that same way again. 1143 00:56:04,687 --> 00:56:05,650 And in that one, 1144 00:56:05,650 --> 00:56:07,460 it would have been just so much more interesting 1145 00:56:07,460 --> 00:56:10,650 to deal with the specifics of that contagion 1146 00:56:10,650 --> 00:56:13,260 and slowly open up your world, 1147 00:56:13,260 --> 00:56:16,630 instead of, yeah, pretending it didn't happen. 1148 00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:20,600 - It wanted to go back to the procedural season one. 1149 00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,600 And so, that's what we, we came in 1150 00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,210 and we started coming up with those kinds of stories. 1151 00:56:25,210 --> 00:56:26,930 - It was a much trickier season, yeah, 1152 00:56:26,930 --> 00:56:28,840 we weren't really sure what kind of stories 1153 00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,280 we were going to be telling. 1154 00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:35,060 - We needed another female character, 1155 00:56:35,060 --> 00:56:37,710 and something very different 1156 00:56:37,710 --> 00:56:41,170 from what Megan had brought to the show, 1157 00:56:41,170 --> 00:56:43,000 and obviously it's a completely different character. 1158 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,370 - Emma Hollis, I believe was a Chris character. 1159 00:56:45,370 --> 00:56:50,060 I think he wanted to bring in a female character 1160 00:56:50,060 --> 00:56:51,960 that was more operational, that is, 1161 00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:53,160 Catherine have been sidelined 1162 00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,820 both by their marriage problems, right, but also by the fact 1163 00:56:56,820 --> 00:57:00,780 that she was maybe not conceived properly in the beginning, 1164 00:57:00,780 --> 00:57:02,970 that this family wasn't really quite functioning 1165 00:57:02,970 --> 00:57:04,100 the way we were hoping. 1166 00:57:04,100 --> 00:57:05,710 - I feel like she was brought on 1167 00:57:05,710 --> 00:57:08,090 because I think everybody realized 1168 00:57:08,090 --> 00:57:10,220 that the workload for Lance, 1169 00:57:10,220 --> 00:57:13,590 if it's a one man show, was too much. 1170 00:57:13,590 --> 00:57:17,340 And she was there to help shoulder some of that weight, 1171 00:57:17,340 --> 00:57:18,173 to be his partner. 1172 00:57:18,173 --> 00:57:21,560 - Whath I remember mostly was seeing Klea Scott 1173 00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,910 and just going, we have to get this actress. 1174 00:57:23,910 --> 00:57:26,530 - At that point, Lance had a relationship with his wife 1175 00:57:26,530 --> 00:57:29,940 that was sort of male-female baLance, 1176 00:57:29,940 --> 00:57:33,550 and then Kristen Cloke's character, Lara Means, 1177 00:57:33,550 --> 00:57:35,190 and that male-female baLance. 1178 00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:36,800 But after, you know, 1179 00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:38,670 everybody died at the end of season two, 1180 00:57:38,670 --> 00:57:41,780 they needed (laughing), they needed a new chick, 1181 00:57:41,780 --> 00:57:44,700 and they needed a new partner, FBI partner. 1182 00:57:44,700 --> 00:57:47,660 That's how they wrote themselves out of the end times, 1183 00:57:47,660 --> 00:57:50,120 was that it had only affected the Pacific Northwest 1184 00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,690 and he was going back to the FBI in D.C. 1185 00:57:52,690 --> 00:57:54,570 and was gonna get a young partner. 1186 00:57:54,570 --> 00:57:57,063 So they opened, you know, the casting was for that. 1187 00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:00,520 Anything in particular you're looking for? 1188 00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:04,100 Learned afterwards that the network felt like 1189 00:58:04,100 --> 00:58:08,240 the demographic for Millennium was white males 18 to 35 1190 00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,190 on a Friday night, that's what they were going for, 1191 00:58:10,190 --> 00:58:15,170 and they didn't feel like seeing a black woman. (chuckling) 1192 00:58:15,170 --> 00:58:17,890 You know, that wasn't the audience, that's how they say it. 1193 00:58:17,890 --> 00:58:21,400 My agent at the time, Craig Wyckoff, threw down for me, 1194 00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,940 I didn't know that, with the woman who was casting, 1195 00:58:23,940 --> 00:58:26,217 and he said, "Look, if Klea is awful 1196 00:58:26,217 --> 00:58:27,357 "and a total waste of time, 1197 00:58:27,357 --> 00:58:29,407 "I will never send you another actor, 1198 00:58:29,407 --> 00:58:30,477 "I won't bother you again. 1199 00:58:30,477 --> 00:58:31,757 "Just take a shot. 1200 00:58:31,757 --> 00:58:33,850 "Let her do the first read." 1201 00:58:33,850 --> 00:58:36,340 - Now it's all diversity, diversity, diversity, diversity. 1202 00:58:36,340 --> 00:58:37,680 It was not then. 1203 00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,540 This is now 20 years ago, right? 1204 00:58:40,540 --> 00:58:45,290 And it seems crazy but it was hard to get her, 1205 00:58:45,290 --> 00:58:46,760 not approve, ultimately, 1206 00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,300 but it was hard to get people into the idea of her 1207 00:58:49,300 --> 00:58:51,710 'cause it was seen as this kind of nerdy, 1208 00:58:51,710 --> 00:58:53,920 white college show, you know. 1209 00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:55,590 But we saw her and she just blew us away. 1210 00:58:55,590 --> 00:58:57,390 And she had this kind of great physicality 1211 00:58:57,390 --> 00:58:59,940 that most TV actresses do not. 1212 00:58:59,940 --> 00:59:04,940 She was just kinda magnificent, the way she moved, 1213 00:59:05,810 --> 00:59:08,410 and the way her hair was, and she was just so cool. 1214 00:59:08,410 --> 00:59:13,030 - But I thought Klea had so much humanity 1215 00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:19,440 and poise and dignity and beauty. 1216 00:59:20,118 --> 00:59:23,080 I just think she's lovely, I think she's a lovely person, 1217 00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:24,890 and a lovely actress. 1218 00:59:24,890 --> 00:59:27,920 And I felt like that kind of light 1219 00:59:29,060 --> 00:59:33,260 was what you needed to contrast against Frank's blackness. 1220 00:59:33,260 --> 00:59:36,910 - Interesting thing you had an older man, a younger woman, 1221 00:59:36,910 --> 00:59:41,910 a white man, a brown woman, and there was no sexual energy, 1222 00:59:44,717 --> 00:59:46,377 it wasn't about that, it was about something different. 1223 00:59:46,377 --> 00:59:49,950 And so, we thought, like, what is this relationship? 1224 00:59:49,950 --> 00:59:51,990 And Lance told me early on that 1225 00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:56,990 he had had somebody come up at a fan event and say 1226 00:59:59,430 --> 01:00:01,010 that he had been a mentor to them. 1227 01:00:01,010 --> 01:00:02,430 And he'd been really surprised 1228 01:00:02,430 --> 01:00:05,050 because he didn't think he was old enough to be a mentor. 1229 01:00:05,050 --> 01:00:06,770 He just couldn't believe his life had brought him 1230 01:00:06,770 --> 01:00:08,520 to a place where he was a mentor. 1231 01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:11,000 And I was so clear, that's what was happening with us. 1232 01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,190 It was not gonna be just any old acting job. 1233 01:00:14,190 --> 01:00:15,850 We were gonna invest. 1234 01:00:15,850 --> 01:00:18,550 - First two-part episode of season three, 1235 01:00:18,550 --> 01:00:20,130 which is The Innocents and Exegesis. 1236 01:00:20,130 --> 01:00:23,580 It's very interesting for what it protends for Frank Black, 1237 01:00:23,580 --> 01:00:27,000 because he encounters here these oracles. 1238 01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,650 Basically, these people who were part of a CIA program, 1239 01:00:30,650 --> 01:00:31,920 they were remote viewers, 1240 01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,250 meaning that they could put themselves 1241 01:00:33,250 --> 01:00:34,970 into the heads of other people. 1242 01:00:34,970 --> 01:00:37,040 - Preparing for the role and knowing, 1243 01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:38,920 really believing that you have to do something 1244 01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,860 that's gonna take down a plane full of innocent people 1245 01:00:41,860 --> 01:00:46,860 for the good of your sisters, is a lot to work with. 1246 01:00:49,316 --> 01:00:50,781 (gun cocking) 1247 01:00:50,781 --> 01:00:52,587 Oh, god, no! 1248 01:00:52,587 --> 01:00:54,440 (gun firing) 1249 01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,740 I love the idea that they were clones, 1250 01:00:56,740 --> 01:01:00,540 and it made me wonder, do they all have like a hive mind, 1251 01:01:00,540 --> 01:01:03,000 like one knows what the other is doing? 1252 01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,940 Because in the script, I mean, this woman is willing to 1253 01:01:06,940 --> 01:01:11,140 back off over a cliff and kill the young child 1254 01:01:11,140 --> 01:01:13,520 to keep people from knowing the truth. 1255 01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,280 So, it added a lot of elements for me to work with. 1256 01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:18,890 - Frank realizes through his exposure through them 1257 01:01:18,890 --> 01:01:21,130 that they're a family like his family, 1258 01:01:21,130 --> 01:01:23,150 and it was wrong that his family was used 1259 01:01:23,150 --> 01:01:25,040 as part of the agenda for the Millennium Group 1260 01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:25,930 in season two. 1261 01:01:25,930 --> 01:01:27,630 So it's just as wrong for him 1262 01:01:27,630 --> 01:01:29,770 to try to use them for his agenda now. 1263 01:01:29,770 --> 01:01:32,660 And what he eventually does of course is he lets them go, 1264 01:01:32,660 --> 01:01:35,040 they go into hiding, and he doesn't use them 1265 01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:36,290 the way that would benefit him 1266 01:01:36,290 --> 01:01:38,370 because he realizes they're a family, they're people. 1267 01:01:38,370 --> 01:01:42,920 Their abilities don't make them a commodity, they're people. 1268 01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:47,900 - You know, the idea of an overarching story in Millennium 1269 01:01:47,900 --> 01:01:51,360 is obviously troubled in a certain way. 1270 01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:54,082 And I think that one of the things that, you know, 1271 01:01:54,082 --> 01:01:57,820 we never kind of nailed properly was what that would be 1272 01:01:57,820 --> 01:02:00,820 or, honestly, if you even had to have one. 1273 01:02:00,820 --> 01:02:04,526 - Eventually, if you kept going the way we're going 1274 01:02:04,526 --> 01:02:07,580 in season one, which is a serial killer every week, 1275 01:02:07,580 --> 01:02:10,423 that may have also gotten tiring. 1276 01:02:12,510 --> 01:02:13,920 It's hard to say. 1277 01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,973 I mean, once we got into the anthology thing in season two, 1278 01:02:19,220 --> 01:02:21,260 could you have continued on that way? 1279 01:02:21,260 --> 01:02:24,363 Maybe, that may have been a better way to go. 1280 01:02:26,860 --> 01:02:30,200 Then what we did in season three, but it's hard to know. 1281 01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:31,270 - I mean, one of the reasons 1282 01:02:31,270 --> 01:02:34,410 the mythology maybe never got pinned down properly 1283 01:02:34,410 --> 01:02:38,510 was that there were a series of people that came through 1284 01:02:38,510 --> 01:02:40,700 that had their own opinions about that, 1285 01:02:40,700 --> 01:02:43,400 and so it didn't have a proper custodian for that. 1286 01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,350 Like, Chris had an idea in the beginning, 1287 01:02:45,350 --> 01:02:47,430 and then Morgan and Wong came in, and then I came in, 1288 01:02:47,430 --> 01:02:48,950 and it was a little bit scattered. 1289 01:02:48,950 --> 01:02:52,130 On the other hand, the same people 1290 01:02:52,130 --> 01:02:55,950 in some of the standalones made just absolutely, to me, 1291 01:02:55,950 --> 01:02:58,870 like, fantastic television, like, the best I've ever seen 1292 01:02:58,870 --> 01:03:00,240 in a lot of ways. 1293 01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:04,140 - We didn't know exactly where Chip and Ken were 1294 01:03:04,140 --> 01:03:08,360 in their charting of the mythology, if you will, 1295 01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,800 serialized elements of Millennium as we were doing that, 1296 01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:12,640 'cause we were preoccupied with X-Files, 1297 01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,450 so really, all the episodes we did in Millennium 1298 01:03:15,450 --> 01:03:18,850 season three were pretty self-contained 1299 01:03:18,850 --> 01:03:21,690 'cause we weren't following it closely enough 1300 01:03:21,690 --> 01:03:23,510 to weave ourselves in successfully. 1301 01:03:23,510 --> 01:03:25,710 So we tried to come up with ideas 1302 01:03:25,710 --> 01:03:30,460 that we thought were powerful and wouldn't conflict 1303 01:03:30,460 --> 01:03:33,167 with the rest of the flow of the series. 1304 01:03:35,971 --> 01:03:37,888 ♪ Yeah ♪ 1305 01:03:38,980 --> 01:03:41,350 - There was ones that were fun and a little lighter 1306 01:03:41,350 --> 01:03:43,540 that you could like giggle, and like, 1307 01:03:43,540 --> 01:03:47,107 Kiss guest starring, and that was crazy. (laughing) 1308 01:03:47,107 --> 01:03:50,510 - FOX decided the way they were gonna save Millennium was 1309 01:03:50,510 --> 01:03:53,750 have this very dusty rock band Kiss, sorry, (chuckling) 1310 01:03:53,750 --> 01:03:57,250 they're like, it was like, it wasn't like, 1311 01:03:57,250 --> 01:03:59,210 we're gonna hook you up with U2. 1312 01:03:59,210 --> 01:04:00,320 It was, no, we're gonna hook you, 1313 01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:02,740 which was even a little dusty then, but Kiss? 1314 01:04:02,740 --> 01:04:05,440 Okay, but we want a Kiss crossover episode. 1315 01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:07,090 Everybody is like, there's no way, uh-uh, 1316 01:04:07,090 --> 01:04:10,080 this would never happen in the Millennium universe. 1317 01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,203 - That's it, no twist, no mystery? 1318 01:04:12,203 --> 01:04:13,980 - It's supposed to be scary. 1319 01:04:13,980 --> 01:04:16,537 - Kay and Erin came running over to my office, saying, 1320 01:04:16,537 --> 01:04:18,975 "We have a scene you have to do." 1321 01:04:18,975 --> 01:04:19,808 I'm like, what is it? 1322 01:04:19,808 --> 01:04:22,537 They go, "It would be Frank profiling fictional killers, 1323 01:04:22,537 --> 01:04:24,790 "and it would be boring to him because he's such a genius." 1324 01:04:24,790 --> 01:04:26,690 I was like, it's in. 1325 01:04:26,690 --> 01:04:27,990 - Where's it go from here? 1326 01:04:29,180 --> 01:04:30,630 - A lot of people get killed? 1327 01:04:31,740 --> 01:04:33,290 - That was a great idea for a scene 1328 01:04:33,290 --> 01:04:35,080 and it turned out to be a great scene. 1329 01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:38,493 The cast were troopers, you know, they always, 1330 01:04:39,431 --> 01:04:40,990 whatever they got, 1331 01:04:40,990 --> 01:04:43,030 they would figure out a way to bring soul to it. 1332 01:04:43,030 --> 01:04:44,160 And I think you have to admit 1333 01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:47,310 that Lance brought a very interesting performance 1334 01:04:47,310 --> 01:04:49,210 to that piece. 1335 01:04:49,210 --> 01:04:50,320 But they rolled with it. 1336 01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:53,470 It was not what they were expecting, but it's Millennium, 1337 01:04:53,470 --> 01:04:55,778 a lot of stuff can happen in that show. 1338 01:04:55,778 --> 01:04:58,278 (eerie music) 1339 01:05:02,592 --> 01:05:06,210 - When you're an actor at a show like Millennium 1340 01:05:06,210 --> 01:05:08,163 and you don't know what's gonna happen, 1341 01:05:09,660 --> 01:05:12,103 you start writing it yourself in your head. 1342 01:05:12,970 --> 01:05:16,100 It's very difficult not to just suggest things to people. 1343 01:05:16,100 --> 01:05:17,200 You know, like, the director said, 1344 01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,630 wouldn't be great if, you know, it turned out 1345 01:05:19,630 --> 01:05:22,030 that I was really a bad guy, 1346 01:05:22,030 --> 01:05:25,628 that I was running the Millennium Group clandestine, 1347 01:05:25,628 --> 01:05:28,270 you know, head of the hydra, you know, 1348 01:05:28,270 --> 01:05:30,790 behind the Millennium Group, and stuff like that. 1349 01:05:30,790 --> 01:05:33,110 And there was a lot of speculation about that 1350 01:05:33,110 --> 01:05:35,230 because nobody knew what was going on 1351 01:05:35,230 --> 01:05:36,550 in the minds of the writers. 1352 01:05:36,550 --> 01:05:39,270 - The first episode, I remember, season three 1353 01:05:39,270 --> 01:05:40,760 that I really liked, that felt like 1354 01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:43,730 we were getting back into our groove with Skull and Bones. 1355 01:05:43,730 --> 01:05:46,340 - Skull and Bones is one of my favorite episodes 1356 01:05:46,340 --> 01:05:47,390 of the third season, I think. 1357 01:05:47,390 --> 01:05:49,490 It's a really strong story 1358 01:05:49,490 --> 01:05:51,500 that exposes some of the machinery 1359 01:05:51,500 --> 01:05:54,000 behind the Millennium Group. 1360 01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:58,010 Frank is tracking down someone else like him, 1361 01:05:58,010 --> 01:05:59,100 someone named Ed. 1362 01:05:59,100 --> 01:06:03,420 And Ed has for the last 15 years, taken down notes, 1363 01:06:03,420 --> 01:06:04,870 and he's written all these notebooks 1364 01:06:04,870 --> 01:06:06,540 about what he's seeing in the world. 1365 01:06:06,540 --> 01:06:08,460 He'll look at a newspaper article 1366 01:06:08,460 --> 01:06:10,500 and he'll start taking down notes, 1367 01:06:10,500 --> 01:06:14,790 and he'll start to to see what's behind the curtain. 1368 01:06:14,790 --> 01:06:16,150 What is this current event story 1369 01:06:16,150 --> 01:06:18,530 and what's really behind the current event story. 1370 01:06:18,530 --> 01:06:20,820 And what's behind that is the conspiracy, 1371 01:06:20,820 --> 01:06:22,060 is the Millennium Group. 1372 01:06:22,060 --> 01:06:23,270 - There's this Turkish proverb, 1373 01:06:23,270 --> 01:06:25,850 no matter how far you go down the wrong road, turn back. 1374 01:06:25,850 --> 01:06:28,810 So we started to do that not even just in seven 1375 01:06:28,810 --> 01:06:32,390 but in the episode before with Skull and Bones, to start, 1376 01:06:32,390 --> 01:06:36,830 like, talking again about what the show is really about. 1377 01:06:36,830 --> 01:06:41,170 - Who, Agent Hollis, is prepared to do what is necessary 1378 01:06:41,170 --> 01:06:43,240 to assure our future? 1379 01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:44,910 - Yeah, that was where we first started to see 1380 01:06:44,910 --> 01:06:46,750 the Millennium Group, you know, 1381 01:06:46,750 --> 01:06:50,090 in text as a kind of bad thing possibly, right. 1382 01:06:50,090 --> 01:06:52,650 They started a conversation with Agent Hollis 1383 01:06:52,650 --> 01:06:56,480 at the end of it where he talked about their role 1384 01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:58,550 in sort of turning back the tide of chaos, 1385 01:06:58,550 --> 01:06:59,730 whatever that was. 1386 01:06:59,730 --> 01:07:01,480 We started to get their sense of 1387 01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:04,650 what they felt their role was in the world. 1388 01:07:04,650 --> 01:07:07,180 - The only thing I wanted was a little more resolution 1389 01:07:07,180 --> 01:07:08,330 to the Millennium Group. 1390 01:07:08,330 --> 01:07:13,207 I personally felt like we needed to figure that out, 1391 01:07:13,207 --> 01:07:16,500 and I felt we were always right on the brink, 1392 01:07:16,500 --> 01:07:17,670 on the cusp of it. 1393 01:07:17,670 --> 01:07:21,010 I was always hoping it would happen in my episode 1394 01:07:21,010 --> 01:07:23,570 that I would, like, figure out the Millennium Group. 1395 01:07:23,570 --> 01:07:25,260 - So season one you think the Millennium Group 1396 01:07:25,260 --> 01:07:27,360 is just a consulting group. 1397 01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:28,590 Season two, you realize, 1398 01:07:28,590 --> 01:07:31,460 oh, they're an ancient secret society. 1399 01:07:31,460 --> 01:07:34,870 And then season three, you rectify both of those things 1400 01:07:34,870 --> 01:07:39,170 by saying, they were, and then Tolson and Hoover 1401 01:07:39,170 --> 01:07:40,580 co-opted it. - Yeah. 1402 01:07:40,580 --> 01:07:42,970 - And that's why FBI agents 1403 01:07:42,970 --> 01:07:44,130 are also in the Millennium Group. 1404 01:07:44,130 --> 01:07:48,350 - But I do think in season one, Peter Watts was like, 1405 01:07:48,350 --> 01:07:50,540 he didn't have Frank's gift, 1406 01:07:50,540 --> 01:07:54,180 and he was there to enable Frank to do his best, 1407 01:07:54,180 --> 01:07:56,623 but he wasn't able to see what Frank saw. 1408 01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:03,400 But I do think as life goes on, unfortunately, 1409 01:08:04,470 --> 01:08:08,370 people do get defeated by life sometimes. 1410 01:08:08,370 --> 01:08:10,940 - I think it made it much more interesting 1411 01:08:10,940 --> 01:08:14,650 and compelling character to play, to have him have secrets, 1412 01:08:14,650 --> 01:08:18,520 to have him have friction with Frank. 1413 01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:21,610 And so, by having him have the sort of secret life, 1414 01:08:21,610 --> 01:08:24,090 it gave a lot of color to the character, 1415 01:08:24,090 --> 01:08:25,473 which I thought was pretty cool. 1416 01:08:25,473 --> 01:08:27,460 - I really liked Terry. 1417 01:08:27,460 --> 01:08:31,350 But when he became the enemy, suddenly I started seeing, 1418 01:08:31,350 --> 01:08:33,610 and they would light him different. 1419 01:08:33,610 --> 01:08:36,617 So now we're standing in the shadows and I'm looking at him, 1420 01:08:36,617 --> 01:08:41,617 and is supported my feeling of, have you been lying to me 1421 01:08:43,110 --> 01:08:46,670 the whole time we've been dealing with each other? 1422 01:08:46,670 --> 01:08:48,980 And I felt it very strongly, you know. 1423 01:08:48,980 --> 01:08:51,940 - Frank undergoes a very important development, I feel, 1424 01:08:51,940 --> 01:08:54,320 at the back half of season three, 1425 01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:55,540 starting with Borrowed Time. 1426 01:08:55,540 --> 01:08:58,370 And we see very emotional scenes in that episode. 1427 01:08:58,370 --> 01:09:02,610 Frank breaking down over the idea of losing Jordan, 1428 01:09:02,610 --> 01:09:04,880 his daughter, who has become mysteriously sick, 1429 01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:07,460 and he feels he cannot go on. 1430 01:09:07,460 --> 01:09:08,894 - You're talking about the only great thing 1431 01:09:08,894 --> 01:09:10,490 that ever happened to my life. 1432 01:09:10,490 --> 01:09:11,870 Do you understand that? 1433 01:09:11,870 --> 01:09:16,290 - It came out of a father's deep concern for his daughter. 1434 01:09:16,290 --> 01:09:19,120 My daughter had been through a fever episode. 1435 01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:21,231 It was just the most frightening thing. 1436 01:09:21,231 --> 01:09:22,890 And they're just burning up and they're in such pain, 1437 01:09:22,890 --> 01:09:24,820 and there's nothing you can do about it. 1438 01:09:24,820 --> 01:09:27,570 And, in a way, it started with that. 1439 01:09:29,402 --> 01:09:30,235 - When did this start? 1440 01:09:30,235 --> 01:09:31,366 - She was fine in school an hour ago. 1441 01:09:31,366 --> 01:09:32,610 (Jordan groaning) 1442 01:09:32,610 --> 01:09:37,610 - Lance actually really, really committed in that episode. 1443 01:09:38,940 --> 01:09:41,720 First of all, his pain that his daughter was dying, 1444 01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:44,180 I think for him was, as I remember it, 1445 01:09:44,180 --> 01:09:45,930 was sort of done privately, and like, 1446 01:09:45,930 --> 01:09:47,960 a lot of people were cleared off the set 1447 01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:49,960 'cause it was so raw for him. 1448 01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:54,800 And he also suggested a lot of things for the script. 1449 01:09:55,740 --> 01:09:58,620 So, for example, when she's put in the ice bath, 1450 01:09:58,620 --> 01:10:01,370 the way it scripted it was that a doctor did it or nurse, 1451 01:10:01,370 --> 01:10:03,520 he said, "No, no, no, I will do it myself." 1452 01:10:06,549 --> 01:10:07,959 - I know, I know. - No! 1453 01:10:07,959 --> 01:10:09,343 - I'm here. - Daddy, Daddy. 1454 01:10:09,343 --> 01:10:10,343 Daddy, help! 1455 01:10:11,184 --> 01:10:12,097 Daddy, help! 1456 01:10:12,097 --> 01:10:12,930 - "Because if she's gonna go through that, 1457 01:10:12,930 --> 01:10:13,763 "I'm gonna be with her." 1458 01:10:13,763 --> 01:10:16,010 So there were a lot of things he brought to it 1459 01:10:16,010 --> 01:10:18,680 that had to do with bonding with Jordan. 1460 01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:21,450 - Well, I think that he was connected emotionally 1461 01:10:21,450 --> 01:10:24,760 to not only his movie daughter, to the actress, 1462 01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:29,760 and to watch a child struggle with being on the edge 1463 01:10:31,590 --> 01:10:35,180 of life and death, and for him to put himself as a father 1464 01:10:35,180 --> 01:10:38,720 through those emotions, I think it was wrenching for him. 1465 01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:40,100 - Why is this happened to him? 1466 01:10:40,100 --> 01:10:41,990 Why is he facing these trials? 1467 01:10:41,990 --> 01:10:44,620 Why after losing his wife, 1468 01:10:44,620 --> 01:10:47,480 is he now in the position to lose his daughter? 1469 01:10:47,480 --> 01:10:51,150 And I think this is sort of a necessary break, you know, 1470 01:10:51,150 --> 01:10:53,520 they put the brakes on Frank here. 1471 01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:55,600 It stops him from being angry, 1472 01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:57,090 and it stops him, and he says, 1473 01:10:57,090 --> 01:10:59,990 okay, I have to take stock of where I am in my life now. 1474 01:10:59,990 --> 01:11:02,160 And what's important isn't this agenda, 1475 01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:04,210 isn't me taking down the Millennium Group. 1476 01:11:04,210 --> 01:11:06,110 What's important to me is my daughter. 1477 01:11:06,110 --> 01:11:08,810 - While I feel that Frank Black maintained his integrity 1478 01:11:08,810 --> 01:11:13,810 as a character, I think that over time, he did change. 1479 01:11:14,050 --> 01:11:19,050 - I think he was battered, for sure, and had lost a lot, 1480 01:11:20,570 --> 01:11:23,670 and had not been able to protect 1481 01:11:27,180 --> 01:11:29,071 everything he helped to protect 1482 01:11:29,071 --> 01:11:30,603 at the beginning of the series. 1483 01:11:31,870 --> 01:11:34,720 But I think he was still hopeful. 1484 01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:36,424 - Do you know there was an element of sadness 1485 01:11:36,424 --> 01:11:38,470 that the show was gonna go out 1486 01:11:38,470 --> 01:11:41,076 and I wasn't gonna be on the right side, you know. 1487 01:11:41,076 --> 01:11:43,726 I wanted to be running down the hall with Frank Black 1488 01:11:45,104 --> 01:11:47,520 or I wanted to be, at least have the car waiting outside, 1489 01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:49,340 and then they would get in jump in the back of the car, 1490 01:11:49,340 --> 01:11:50,550 we zoom off together. 1491 01:11:50,550 --> 01:11:54,000 I wanted to somehow be a part of, be on the right side 1492 01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,580 at that ending moment, and I felt like 1493 01:11:56,580 --> 01:11:59,180 the compromises that she made for her father 1494 01:11:59,180 --> 01:12:00,930 put her on the wrong side, but that's what I love. 1495 01:12:00,930 --> 01:12:02,910 What was I supposed to do? 1496 01:12:02,910 --> 01:12:04,530 He's my father. 1497 01:12:04,530 --> 01:12:05,470 - Do what you have to do. 1498 01:12:05,470 --> 01:12:07,980 - That's why Lance and I we had this all this thing. 1499 01:12:07,980 --> 01:12:09,940 Where are we gonna go from this? 1500 01:12:09,940 --> 01:12:11,700 I mean, I'm thinking they weren't going to cancel us 1501 01:12:11,700 --> 01:12:14,560 in 1999 for sure. (chuckling) 1502 01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:16,700 They wouldn't do that, that would be ridiculous. 1503 01:12:16,700 --> 01:12:17,810 The show's called Millennium. 1504 01:12:17,810 --> 01:12:19,293 Why would they cancel us right now? 1505 01:12:19,293 --> 01:12:20,350 This makes no sense. 1506 01:12:20,350 --> 01:12:21,980 They'll at least give us six episodes 1507 01:12:21,980 --> 01:12:23,693 so we can finish the story. 1508 01:12:24,750 --> 01:12:28,536 But we had this idea that, oh well, we will come back 1509 01:12:28,536 --> 01:12:30,930 and it'll be like time has passed 1510 01:12:30,930 --> 01:12:34,007 and Emma Hollis is deep, deep in the Millennium Group, 1511 01:12:34,007 --> 01:12:37,340 and you think she's totally evil, and now we hate her. 1512 01:12:37,340 --> 01:12:40,700 She's bad, so we're gonna let the audiences hate me. 1513 01:12:40,700 --> 01:12:43,310 And then, you see her and Frank meeting, 1514 01:12:43,310 --> 01:12:44,770 and you think he's the bad, 1515 01:12:44,770 --> 01:12:46,650 but then you find out she's just deep cover, 1516 01:12:46,650 --> 01:12:48,787 like she's just gone so deep into the Millennium Group 1517 01:12:48,787 --> 01:12:51,500 and it's all to undo the working, 1518 01:12:51,500 --> 01:12:53,270 and she's actually secretly meeting, you know, 1519 01:12:53,270 --> 01:12:55,680 so we had all these ideas together, 1520 01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:58,950 how we could swing back around and be a team again. 1521 01:12:58,950 --> 01:13:00,800 - I came here to put a bullet in you. 1522 01:13:05,110 --> 01:13:06,880 But I don't have to, the Group will do it for me. 1523 01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:09,550 - And it's become fashionable now on a TV show 1524 01:13:09,550 --> 01:13:12,790 to sort of kill off the most important 1525 01:13:12,790 --> 01:13:14,520 and most beloved characters. 1526 01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:15,787 I don't think that's why we did it. 1527 01:13:15,787 --> 01:13:20,787 But it certainly is powerful to lose somebody emotionally 1528 01:13:22,460 --> 01:13:26,090 on the show for the writers, not only for the writers, 1529 01:13:26,090 --> 01:13:28,780 because they had made a connection to this person, 1530 01:13:28,780 --> 01:13:31,890 but for the lead character Frank Black 1531 01:13:31,890 --> 01:13:33,453 and what that meant to him. 1532 01:13:35,490 --> 01:13:36,490 - [Frank] Catherine. 1533 01:13:41,530 --> 01:13:43,460 - They're very romantic characters. 1534 01:13:43,460 --> 01:13:46,070 They're heroes, they truly are. 1535 01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:51,070 And I think Frank remained a hero to the end. 1536 01:13:51,118 --> 01:13:53,618 (eerie music) 1537 01:13:56,763 --> 01:14:01,110 - I was really hoping there was gonna be a season four 1538 01:14:01,110 --> 01:14:03,370 just because it would have taken us to the millennium, 1539 01:14:03,370 --> 01:14:05,110 and it seemed like such a no-brainer. 1540 01:14:05,110 --> 01:14:06,550 - Well, we were all kind of making bets on it. 1541 01:14:06,550 --> 01:14:10,560 How can you cancel a show in 1999 that's called Millennium? 1542 01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:13,090 - The crew was dedicated, totally dedicated. 1543 01:14:13,090 --> 01:14:14,830 They loved the show. 1544 01:14:14,830 --> 01:14:19,510 We had really solid fans that loved the show. 1545 01:14:19,510 --> 01:14:23,272 And then, when they didn't pick it up, 1546 01:14:23,272 --> 01:14:25,520 well, there were a lot of disappointment. 1547 01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:28,453 - Because you've been promising the audience this. 1548 01:14:29,340 --> 01:14:31,860 Really, what was happening kinda behind all the layers 1549 01:14:31,860 --> 01:14:35,340 of the story, where you were promising the audience 1550 01:14:35,340 --> 01:14:38,200 that this thing was gonna kinda burst 1551 01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:40,330 when the millennium happened. 1552 01:14:40,330 --> 01:14:43,383 And it just never got a chance to burst. 1553 01:14:43,383 --> 01:14:45,620 - So, it's such a terrible trivia question. 1554 01:14:45,620 --> 01:14:48,730 When was a TV show called Millennium canceled? 1555 01:14:48,730 --> 01:14:50,860 Right before the millennium. 1556 01:14:50,860 --> 01:14:52,710 - You know, it's funny, 1557 01:14:52,710 --> 01:14:55,460 I think the show would have gone into a fourth season. 1558 01:14:55,460 --> 01:15:00,340 The ratings were such that it supported a fourth season. 1559 01:15:00,340 --> 01:15:04,800 I think, really, I'm to blame 1560 01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:07,320 for the fact that it didn't go longer 1561 01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:12,320 because I had another show that was coming out on its heels, 1562 01:15:12,610 --> 01:15:16,610 Harsh Realm, and one thing supplanted the other. 1563 01:15:16,610 --> 01:15:18,890 - FOX was always chasing the ratings The X-Files got 1564 01:15:18,890 --> 01:15:20,410 on Friday nights. 1565 01:15:20,410 --> 01:15:24,800 And every show that came in to that time slot after X-Files 1566 01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:26,053 got lower ratings. 1567 01:15:26,970 --> 01:15:30,200 And what they didn't realize, I think, was that 1568 01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:33,560 it was the beginning of the decline of network television, 1569 01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:35,780 and they were never gonna see those ratings again. 1570 01:15:35,780 --> 01:15:39,010 And so, unfortunately, for Ten Thirteen, 1571 01:15:39,010 --> 01:15:41,657 every show that we put in that time slot 1572 01:15:41,657 --> 01:15:46,657 never reached the aspirations they had for ratings-wise. 1573 01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:51,273 - X-Files visits Millennium came up, 1574 01:15:52,570 --> 01:15:56,797 which was an interesting idea, but, you know, 1575 01:15:59,988 --> 01:16:01,840 you had to bring everybody into it, 1576 01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:06,118 and people, some were interested, some weren't interested, 1577 01:16:06,118 --> 01:16:09,973 and it got made. 1578 01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:13,310 - First of all, it's all X-Files writers writing it, 1579 01:16:13,310 --> 01:16:15,380 so there's always gonna be places, 1580 01:16:15,380 --> 01:16:18,710 are we gonna lean toward the show that's a huge hit 1581 01:16:18,710 --> 01:16:20,740 and makes billions of dollars for FOX 1582 01:16:20,740 --> 01:16:22,143 or are we gonna lean towards the one that we love 1583 01:16:22,143 --> 01:16:23,530 that was canceled? 1584 01:16:23,530 --> 01:16:26,960 And all the forces, all the vectors, 1585 01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:28,300 sort of leaning toward 1586 01:16:28,300 --> 01:16:30,810 we're gonna give short shrift to Millennium. 1587 01:16:30,810 --> 01:16:34,130 - And this may seem like so obvious from the outside. 1588 01:16:34,130 --> 01:16:35,400 But it was only when we actually tried to do it, 1589 01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:37,910 we realized, yeah, but this is The X-Files. 1590 01:16:37,910 --> 01:16:39,080 This is actually The X-Files, 1591 01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:41,270 which is a completely different series 1592 01:16:41,270 --> 01:16:42,770 and has completely different requirements 1593 01:16:42,770 --> 01:16:45,540 than the Millennium series had. 1594 01:16:45,540 --> 01:16:48,700 And so, ultimately, after many, many permutations of it, 1595 01:16:48,700 --> 01:16:52,240 we realized this has to be a scary monster show 1596 01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:55,510 to some degree, which is not really what Millennium was. 1597 01:16:55,510 --> 01:16:59,750 And so, it ended up becoming an X-Files episode 1598 01:16:59,750 --> 01:17:01,770 with Frank Black as a guest character, 1599 01:17:01,770 --> 01:17:05,043 and I didn't love it, you know. 1600 01:17:07,247 --> 01:17:11,630 I was a bit disappointed in the result, but we did our best. 1601 01:17:11,630 --> 01:17:12,880 - You armed? 1602 01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:13,900 - Oh, yeah. 1603 01:17:13,900 --> 01:17:15,967 - Shoot for the head, that seems to stop them. 1604 01:17:15,967 --> 01:17:20,967 (dramatic music) (eerie music) 1605 01:17:23,285 --> 01:17:24,790 - I think when a show outstays its welcome, 1606 01:17:24,790 --> 01:17:28,020 even if it's a great show, some of the luster comes off it, 1607 01:17:28,020 --> 01:17:30,090 and that didn't happen with Millennium. 1608 01:17:30,090 --> 01:17:32,010 There's nothing about it that feels dated 1609 01:17:32,010 --> 01:17:36,610 except the fact that it's longer, the episodes are longer, 1610 01:17:36,610 --> 01:17:38,146 and there are fewer commercial breaks. 1611 01:17:38,146 --> 01:17:40,930 - You know, I think people still care about it 1612 01:17:40,930 --> 01:17:43,810 after all these years because Chris was right 1613 01:17:43,810 --> 01:17:46,060 in inviting the writers 1614 01:17:46,060 --> 01:17:50,180 to basically liberate the unconscious 1615 01:17:50,180 --> 01:17:55,180 and to put our greatest fears, our cowardices, and shame 1616 01:17:57,283 --> 01:18:00,020 onto the screen. 1617 01:18:00,020 --> 01:18:02,150 - From the beginning, he said to me, 1618 01:18:02,150 --> 01:18:04,177 when I came on The X-Files, you know, 1619 01:18:04,177 --> 01:18:05,357 "I don't wanna do television 1620 01:18:05,357 --> 01:18:07,607 "that is consumed and thrown away. 1621 01:18:07,607 --> 01:18:09,767 "I wanna do television that lasts, that people go back 1622 01:18:09,767 --> 01:18:12,040 "and look at years after it's done." 1623 01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:14,200 - I think you could practically make that show now, 1624 01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:16,270 and a bunch of people have tried to make it. 1625 01:18:16,270 --> 01:18:17,180 It was very influential. 1626 01:18:17,180 --> 01:18:18,683 A lot of shows have copied it 1627 01:18:18,683 --> 01:18:22,090 and copied the general tone and feel. 1628 01:18:22,090 --> 01:18:23,910 - I knew a producer on Profiler 1629 01:18:23,910 --> 01:18:25,767 who referred to his show as Millennium light. 1630 01:18:25,767 --> 01:18:28,680 - I'd put it with The X-Files. 1631 01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:31,550 I put it with 24, Twin Peaks. 1632 01:18:31,550 --> 01:18:34,940 The shows they're making now are drawing from those shows 1633 01:18:34,940 --> 01:18:36,530 to do what they do now. 1634 01:18:36,530 --> 01:18:38,300 They just took it to the next level. 1635 01:18:38,300 --> 01:18:40,810 - I think people are kinda catching up to it in a way 1636 01:18:40,810 --> 01:18:43,190 'cause it is so dark, darker than anything 1637 01:18:43,190 --> 01:18:45,110 that was on television at the time. 1638 01:18:45,110 --> 01:18:48,390 - There used to be the TV style and the feature film style. 1639 01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:51,020 And TV style, when you slammed the door, the sets wobbled. 1640 01:18:51,020 --> 01:18:54,310 And it was brightly lit and everything had a happy ending. 1641 01:18:54,310 --> 01:18:58,480 And cinematic style was much more like Millennium. 1642 01:18:58,480 --> 01:18:59,810 Millennium was on the vanguard 1643 01:18:59,810 --> 01:19:03,790 of let's make these little movies. 1644 01:19:03,790 --> 01:19:07,077 - It just looked great, played well all the time. 1645 01:19:07,077 --> 01:19:08,500 I love the characters. 1646 01:19:08,500 --> 01:19:10,760 I really love the characters. 1647 01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:14,060 - Frank Black, who's this very complex character 1648 01:19:14,060 --> 01:19:16,040 and who was such a good person, 1649 01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:17,640 and has all these terrible things happening 1650 01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:20,380 but is always striving to make things better 1651 01:19:20,380 --> 01:19:21,740 and to make things come out right. 1652 01:19:21,740 --> 01:19:25,500 And I think that a character like that 1653 01:19:25,500 --> 01:19:26,677 is always gonna really speak to a lot people, 1654 01:19:26,677 --> 01:19:28,790 and of course Lance was just so good. 1655 01:19:28,790 --> 01:19:33,230 - He brought this weird intensity that certain actors have 1656 01:19:33,230 --> 01:19:36,260 who can carry a series, and Lance is just one of those guys. 1657 01:19:36,260 --> 01:19:38,590 When the storytelling supported him properly, 1658 01:19:38,590 --> 01:19:41,020 you just couldn't look away, he's fantastic. 1659 01:19:41,020 --> 01:19:43,640 - Frank was just someone you wanted to root for. 1660 01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:46,500 He's kinda that Gary Cooper silent hero type, 1661 01:19:46,500 --> 01:19:49,740 so I think that everyone is gonna root for that. 1662 01:19:49,740 --> 01:19:52,370 And Lance is just great, he just is. 1663 01:19:52,370 --> 01:19:54,850 I think, you know, you have instant empathy for him 1664 01:19:54,850 --> 01:19:55,760 on the screen. 1665 01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:57,400 - What I loved about that show was 1666 01:19:57,400 --> 01:19:59,900 the examinations of the nature of evil. 1667 01:19:59,900 --> 01:20:02,330 Because bombs are still going off, 1668 01:20:02,330 --> 01:20:06,450 because we do terrible things to each other 1669 01:20:06,450 --> 01:20:09,140 and we don't know why, and we don't know if it's, 1670 01:20:09,140 --> 01:20:10,850 we don't know what happens. 1671 01:20:10,850 --> 01:20:15,850 Is there something in the nature of humanity 1672 01:20:16,250 --> 01:20:18,630 that wants to self-destruct? 1673 01:20:18,630 --> 01:20:20,810 Is it innate in us? 1674 01:20:20,810 --> 01:20:21,643 Can we battle it? 1675 01:20:21,643 --> 01:20:22,570 Is it outside of us? 1676 01:20:22,570 --> 01:20:24,763 Is it in us, is it a psychological evil? 1677 01:20:25,671 --> 01:20:27,680 Is there a devil? 1678 01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:31,570 - You know, you want the show to be considered a success 1679 01:20:31,570 --> 01:20:34,130 in its longevity, but you also want the show 1680 01:20:34,130 --> 01:20:36,740 to be considered a success in its artistry, 1681 01:20:36,740 --> 01:20:41,090 and that's where I'm really proud of the show 1682 01:20:41,090 --> 01:20:44,650 is that I think some great work was done 1683 01:20:44,650 --> 01:20:46,850 by some really talented people. 1684 01:20:46,850 --> 01:20:49,510 And I think when people go look at the show, 1685 01:20:49,510 --> 01:20:51,480 I think it stands up as a whole, 1686 01:20:51,480 --> 01:20:55,690 and I think that its legacy is that it wasn't just 1687 01:20:55,690 --> 01:21:00,180 a flash in the pan, it wasn't just a second effort 1688 01:21:00,180 --> 01:21:04,770 that it had integrity. 1689 01:21:04,770 --> 01:21:08,483 It makes me feel good that, you know, 1690 01:21:10,330 --> 01:21:11,760 people connected to it. 1691 01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:15,360 - I've never had that many friends, 'cause in real life, 1692 01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:19,040 if you have five friends that you call your best friends, 1693 01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:20,573 you're a very rich man. 1694 01:21:21,650 --> 01:21:23,840 But to have hundreds of thousands of people 1695 01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:28,240 from all over the world expressing that they love the show 1696 01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:30,533 and they like Frank Black, you know, 1697 01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:33,750 I'm grateful and humbled by it. 1698 01:21:33,750 --> 01:21:35,630 I'm not just saying that, I really mean it. 1699 01:21:35,630 --> 01:21:39,160 - Looking back now, I think that there was still good work 1700 01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:41,330 to be done on Millennium, maybe still good work to be done 1701 01:21:41,330 --> 01:21:42,730 in the future on Millennium. 1702 01:21:44,060 --> 01:21:46,630 Certain people would love to see it come back. 1703 01:21:46,630 --> 01:21:48,255 I think there are ways to bring it back. 1704 01:21:48,255 --> 01:21:50,755 (eerie music) 1705 01:21:52,440 --> 01:21:55,700 - I as the director would have liked to have seen 1706 01:21:55,700 --> 01:21:59,223 some of the stories go further, particularly with Frank, 1707 01:22:00,480 --> 01:22:03,050 and even Watts when all that happened. 1708 01:22:03,050 --> 01:22:05,623 I mean, he was also one of my favorite characters. 1709 01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:09,750 - What I would do. (Erin laughing) 1710 01:22:09,750 --> 01:22:10,690 - Wow, Kay has thoughts for them. 1711 01:22:10,690 --> 01:22:11,523 - Yeah, I do. 1712 01:22:12,483 --> 01:22:14,183 It would be the Jordan Black Show. 1713 01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:17,330 That's what I would do. 1714 01:22:17,330 --> 01:22:22,330 And it would be Jordan being involved in the new version 1715 01:22:22,430 --> 01:22:24,460 of the Millennium Group, whatever that would be. 1716 01:22:24,460 --> 01:22:26,630 - It is a shame that the show got cut off when it did 1717 01:22:26,630 --> 01:22:29,310 'cause it was just getting into the meat of that character 1718 01:22:29,310 --> 01:22:31,940 and there was so much room to grow with it. 1719 01:22:31,940 --> 01:22:33,560 And so, I am really curious 1720 01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:34,620 where they would have written her. 1721 01:22:34,620 --> 01:22:37,960 I don't know, maybe she'd follow her father's footsteps 1722 01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:39,660 and go that way with her career. 1723 01:22:39,660 --> 01:22:40,870 She would have become 1724 01:22:40,870 --> 01:22:44,239 a really strong female lead growing older. 1725 01:22:44,239 --> 01:22:46,989 (dramatic music) 1726 01:22:50,555 --> 01:22:52,641 (voices screeching) 1727 01:22:52,641 --> 01:22:54,057 - It would be interesting to see how she grew up 1728 01:22:54,057 --> 01:22:56,800 and what happened to her, you know, how she's handling it. 1729 01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:00,090 - Yeah, it's a really natural way to do the show. 1730 01:23:00,090 --> 01:23:01,180 - I would be really intrigued 1731 01:23:01,180 --> 01:23:03,560 to see what Frank is doing now. (chuckling) 1732 01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:05,740 - Is he completely out of it, or? 1733 01:23:05,740 --> 01:23:06,631 - I don't think so. - Yeah. 1734 01:23:06,631 --> 01:23:08,550 - I think Frank would still be out there 1735 01:23:08,550 --> 01:23:09,750 trying to make things better, 1736 01:23:09,750 --> 01:23:12,230 and, yeah, I would be really curious 1737 01:23:12,230 --> 01:23:13,870 as to where Frank is today. 1738 01:23:13,870 --> 01:23:17,070 - I'm sure in some fictional alternate world, 1739 01:23:17,070 --> 01:23:19,450 Frank is still having a relationship with Lucy Butler. 1740 01:23:19,450 --> 01:23:20,283 - Frank. 1741 01:23:21,774 --> 01:23:22,607 - What? 1742 01:23:23,860 --> 01:23:25,890 - I just want us to be together. 1743 01:23:25,890 --> 01:23:28,220 - She's connected to him and she understands him 1744 01:23:28,220 --> 01:23:30,580 probably better than anybody else, 1745 01:23:30,580 --> 01:23:32,930 which is kind of horrifying and scary. 1746 01:23:32,930 --> 01:23:35,870 - I'm a lot stronger as a person than I was actually 1747 01:23:35,870 --> 01:23:37,740 doing the show 20 years ago. 1748 01:23:37,740 --> 01:23:39,930 I think it would be a lot more fun to be 1749 01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:46,453 not so nice this time round. 1750 01:23:47,433 --> 01:23:49,633 And I think I'd play a little more hardball. 1751 01:23:50,590 --> 01:23:53,670 - There were so many layers to that show 1752 01:23:53,670 --> 01:23:57,940 that if you were into fan fiction, 1753 01:23:57,940 --> 01:24:02,450 you could just write 1,000 books on each episode, 1754 01:24:02,450 --> 01:24:06,160 there were that many quantum layers of plot. 1755 01:24:08,170 --> 01:24:12,570 - I would like to see him pouring through Ed's notebooks 1756 01:24:12,570 --> 01:24:14,660 from Skull and Bones, 1757 01:24:14,660 --> 01:24:17,480 putting together this alternative history 1758 01:24:17,480 --> 01:24:20,170 of what the last 15 years were really all about. 1759 01:24:20,170 --> 01:24:23,410 And putting it together and trying to couple that 1760 01:24:23,410 --> 01:24:25,810 with his own knowledge, and figuring out 1761 01:24:25,810 --> 01:24:28,690 did the Millennium Group really go away? 1762 01:24:28,690 --> 01:24:30,010 - I would try and get in something 1763 01:24:30,010 --> 01:24:34,690 that's a very public failure of law enforcement 1764 01:24:34,690 --> 01:24:39,600 in which avatar would use it to make fools of them, 1765 01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:41,670 would use encryption, would use social media, 1766 01:24:41,670 --> 01:24:44,070 would use all the tools that we have in our current age. 1767 01:24:44,070 --> 01:24:48,800 - I wanna introduce this idea of information sickness. 1768 01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:52,290 Right now, the information we deliver to ourselves 1769 01:24:52,290 --> 01:24:55,000 as a society is not good. 1770 01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:57,510 It's full of errors. 1771 01:24:57,510 --> 01:25:00,510 It's full of undecidable arguments. 1772 01:25:00,510 --> 01:25:04,400 It leaves people depressed and confused. 1773 01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:05,890 If you look at the news. 1774 01:25:05,890 --> 01:25:07,450 - And I want you all to know 1775 01:25:07,450 --> 01:25:09,610 that we are fighting the fake news. 1776 01:25:09,610 --> 01:25:11,740 It's fake, phony, fake. (crowd cheering) 1777 01:25:11,740 --> 01:25:15,180 - You either wind up as part of a howling mob 1778 01:25:15,180 --> 01:25:17,810 or cowering in terror under your desk 1779 01:25:18,930 --> 01:25:23,930 because that's the worthlessness of the information product 1780 01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:29,760 that's being delivered to us, and we need to fix it. 1781 01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:32,810 - I'd like to see Frank Black called in on a story 1782 01:25:32,810 --> 01:25:37,810 in, say, Bulgaria, where he doesn't speak the language, 1783 01:25:37,830 --> 01:25:42,710 every sign is in Cyrillic, and he has to get involved 1784 01:25:42,710 --> 01:25:45,930 in something that happened and find a person 1785 01:25:45,930 --> 01:25:49,733 in the most foreign difficult place on Earth. 1786 01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:52,860 And how does he do it? 1787 01:25:54,070 --> 01:25:57,653 There's a lot to talk about in this world, there really is. 1788 01:25:58,490 --> 01:26:01,610 And I don't think we would ever run out of material. 1789 01:26:01,610 --> 01:26:03,323 - I think, you know, 1790 01:26:04,230 --> 01:26:06,590 Frank Black seeing the evil in the world, 1791 01:26:06,590 --> 01:26:11,227 but seeing it in himself as well, that's key. 1792 01:26:11,227 --> 01:26:15,240 That's key to me, that's key to the world we live in today. 1793 01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:19,350 And I think, right now, people are frightened 1794 01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:23,040 and looking for someone to blame, 1795 01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:28,040 and they're not, too many people are not their best selves. 1796 01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:31,900 And I think a character like Frank Black 1797 01:26:31,900 --> 01:26:35,320 offers the opportunity to face the darkness in the world 1798 01:26:36,820 --> 01:26:39,740 with hope and goodness. 1799 01:26:39,740 --> 01:26:42,380 - Well, I think with The X-Files 1800 01:26:42,380 --> 01:26:45,020 doing that six-episode event series, 1801 01:26:45,020 --> 01:26:47,069 I think that's an interesting model. 1802 01:26:47,069 --> 01:26:49,819 (dramatic music) 1803 01:26:52,450 --> 01:26:54,610 People definitely want dark stuff on TV, 1804 01:26:54,610 --> 01:26:56,510 no question about that. - Yeah, there's definitely, 1805 01:26:56,510 --> 01:26:58,080 I think there's room for it. 1806 01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:01,700 - We could do it on FX, and make it really down and dirty 1807 01:27:01,700 --> 01:27:04,040 and super violent and everything. 1808 01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:09,040 - I dare them to do one like pilot length thing 1809 01:27:10,450 --> 01:27:12,107 for Millennium, I dare 'em. 1810 01:27:13,650 --> 01:27:17,366 It would be like dropping a rock on David Duchovny's head. 1811 01:27:17,366 --> 01:27:19,616 (laughing) 1812 01:27:21,440 --> 01:27:23,490 He actually said that to me at one point. 1813 01:27:23,490 --> 01:27:27,050 We met, you know, Millennium had started and everything, 1814 01:27:27,050 --> 01:27:29,507 and he said, "You know what you're like to me, Lance? 1815 01:27:29,507 --> 01:27:31,517 "You're like a baby brother in a crib, 1816 01:27:31,517 --> 01:27:34,930 "and I just wanna drop a rock on your head." 1817 01:27:34,930 --> 01:27:37,610 And I said, really? 1818 01:27:37,610 --> 01:27:40,228 And I thought, looks like we're gonna be friends. 1819 01:27:40,228 --> 01:27:41,061 (chuckling) 1820 01:27:41,061 --> 01:27:43,740 And then, now I sit here and I go, 1821 01:27:43,740 --> 01:27:45,853 if they dared to do a Millennium, 1822 01:27:47,320 --> 01:27:51,022 it would be like dropping a rock on David Duchovny's head. 1823 01:27:51,022 --> 01:27:52,020 (chuckling) 1824 01:27:52,020 --> 01:27:53,838 That's where we should end this. 1825 01:27:53,838 --> 01:27:55,390 (clapping) 1826 01:27:55,390 --> 01:27:57,723 (chuckling) 1827 01:28:01,730 --> 01:28:03,418 I dare you to put that in there. 1828 01:28:03,418 --> 01:28:04,810 (laughing) 1829 01:28:04,810 --> 01:28:08,477 (gentle instrumental music) 1830 01:29:22,275 --> 01:29:25,025 (dramatic music)