1 00:00:01,269 --> 00:00:03,504 Viewers like you make this program possible. 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:03,537 --> 00:00:05,406 Support your local PBS station. 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 5 00:00:12,346 --> 00:00:14,982 (soft tinkling music) 6 00:00:21,489 --> 00:00:23,757 - [SS Columbia] This river is my home. 7 00:00:27,295 --> 00:00:30,998 I can tell you the names of every current and eddy 8 00:00:31,031 --> 00:00:33,834 that flows along the shores of Boblo Island. 9 00:00:36,003 --> 00:00:38,472 People call me Columbia. 10 00:00:38,506 --> 00:00:43,377 And yes, I do have a sister, Claire. 11 00:00:45,679 --> 00:00:49,683 We used to race this old river every summer. 12 00:00:49,717 --> 00:00:53,487 (people cheering) 13 00:00:55,123 --> 00:00:59,260 If you're from southeast Michigan or the tip of Ontario, 14 00:00:59,293 --> 00:01:02,396 you may have caught a piece of our story, 15 00:01:02,430 --> 00:01:06,066 a memory glinting in your mother's eyes. 16 00:01:06,100 --> 00:01:11,004 An old sign by the river fading, but not forgotten. 17 00:01:12,673 --> 00:01:14,442 Some say we're now haunted 18 00:01:14,475 --> 00:01:18,078 by the spirits of passengers long since departed. 19 00:01:19,513 --> 00:01:22,716 Others less romantic claim we've been torn up 20 00:01:22,750 --> 00:01:24,218 and sold for scrap. 21 00:01:25,353 --> 00:01:27,621 But Claire and I know the truth. 22 00:01:28,922 --> 00:01:31,425 I want to tell you a story. 23 00:01:31,459 --> 00:01:35,396 You might say it's a Detroit ferrytale starring 24 00:01:35,429 --> 00:01:40,368 the oldest, surviving, passenger steamboats in America. 25 00:01:41,535 --> 00:01:44,071 The sister ships of Boblo Island. 26 00:01:44,104 --> 00:01:46,807 (upbeat music) 27 00:01:58,319 --> 00:02:01,655 Once upon a time, they called our city, 28 00:02:01,689 --> 00:02:04,057 the Paris of the Midwest. 29 00:02:05,526 --> 00:02:07,261 It seemed like all eyes were on us. 30 00:02:09,062 --> 00:02:11,532 Our cars could take you wherever you wanted to go, 31 00:02:13,033 --> 00:02:15,703 and our music made the ride that much better. 32 00:02:17,538 --> 00:02:19,907 But the most magical ride each year 33 00:02:19,940 --> 00:02:23,744 was the summer voyage to Boblo Island. 34 00:02:23,777 --> 00:02:26,480 (playful music) (amusement park sounds) 35 00:02:27,681 --> 00:02:29,317 - Boblo had the Boblo bear. 36 00:02:29,350 --> 00:02:31,118 (child growling) 37 00:02:31,151 --> 00:02:32,686 Ride the train, remember riding the train around the island? 38 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,489 - Oh, yeah, oh, yeah. - I just would run. 39 00:02:37,291 --> 00:02:39,692 - I remember the first time I was truly scared to death 40 00:02:39,727 --> 00:02:41,362 was on their rollercoaster. 41 00:02:41,395 --> 00:02:42,863 And looking back, it wasn't that big, 42 00:02:42,896 --> 00:02:45,165 but back then it was like, it was a monster. 43 00:02:46,667 --> 00:02:49,237 - The Boblo experience was the boat ride there. 44 00:02:49,270 --> 00:02:52,440 - Getting on the boat, giving the man your little ticket 45 00:02:52,473 --> 00:02:55,709 and you on the boat, you having fun, you partying. 46 00:02:55,743 --> 00:02:58,912 - There was actually a Supreme Court ruling 47 00:02:58,946 --> 00:03:01,081 about integration on the Boblo boat 48 00:03:01,114 --> 00:03:04,151 that really did start to change history in America. 49 00:03:04,184 --> 00:03:06,887 - Boblo Island is a Canadian island. 50 00:03:06,920 --> 00:03:08,589 - This is how you know he's telling the truth. 51 00:03:08,622 --> 00:03:10,491 - You know, you left the country, you know, 52 00:03:10,524 --> 00:03:12,293 'cause you got on the boat, you traveled across the river. 53 00:03:12,326 --> 00:03:13,961 It was really magical. 54 00:03:13,994 --> 00:03:15,529 - [SS Columbia] For 80 years, 55 00:03:15,563 --> 00:03:18,599 we were on a dedicated hour-and-a-half tour 56 00:03:18,632 --> 00:03:22,503 between downtown Detroit and Boblo Island. 57 00:03:22,536 --> 00:03:27,541 Although the park closed down in 1993, the memories live on. 58 00:03:28,942 --> 00:03:30,411 - 50 Cub Scouts running around on the boat. 59 00:03:30,444 --> 00:03:32,313 And we'd run up to Captain Boblo and say, 60 00:03:32,346 --> 00:03:34,180 "Can we have a coloring book? Can we have a coloring book?" 61 00:03:34,214 --> 00:03:37,918 - Captain Boblo, you know, he was maybe 4'4". 62 00:03:37,951 --> 00:03:40,087 I wanna say his name was Joe Short. 63 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,790 Don't quote me on that, I think that was his name, yeah. 64 00:03:42,823 --> 00:03:46,527 - He was like kid size, so that made him not scary. 65 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,430 - My favorite thing ever was the third floor dance floor. 66 00:03:50,464 --> 00:03:52,031 Those were my jams. 67 00:03:52,065 --> 00:03:54,602 I'll go into a pub now and I go to the jukebox. 68 00:03:54,635 --> 00:03:55,969 My girlfriend's saying, "You're not doing 69 00:03:56,003 --> 00:03:57,571 the Boblo Boat music, are you?" 70 00:03:57,605 --> 00:03:59,540 And I'm like, "Oh, yes, yes, it's gonna happen." 71 00:03:59,573 --> 00:04:02,175 - I always wanted to hover near an exit, 72 00:04:02,209 --> 00:04:05,212 so that if we didn't have enough life jackets, 73 00:04:05,245 --> 00:04:08,181 I could get off the boat and tread water. 74 00:04:08,215 --> 00:04:12,553 - We were skiing around the Boblo boat naked, 75 00:04:12,586 --> 00:04:15,989 watching people running from one side of the boat 76 00:04:16,023 --> 00:04:19,593 to the other, to the point where the boat was listing. 77 00:04:19,627 --> 00:04:21,462 Sorry, mom. 78 00:04:21,495 --> 00:04:23,297 - The best part though, was taking the moonlight cruises. 79 00:04:24,898 --> 00:04:26,467 The boat would be full, 80 00:04:26,500 --> 00:04:28,201 but you could always find that one nook, 81 00:04:28,235 --> 00:04:30,371 that one little corner somewhere where you could sit 82 00:04:30,404 --> 00:04:32,406 and put your arm around your girl and... 83 00:04:34,107 --> 00:04:37,511 - Her name was Serena Artiago. And we hugged and stuff. 84 00:04:39,246 --> 00:04:41,449 - Were you on there as a young teenager kissing the boys 85 00:04:41,482 --> 00:04:43,216 in a hidden section of the boat? 86 00:04:43,250 --> 00:04:45,018 - I may have, at one time I'm sure I was. 87 00:04:45,052 --> 00:04:46,887 - [Al] You only get to spend a few hours with them 88 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:47,888 then you never see 'em again. 89 00:04:47,921 --> 00:04:49,256 - Never see 'em again. 90 00:04:49,289 --> 00:04:50,824 (man laughs) 91 00:04:50,858 --> 00:04:52,760 That was one good thing, you know. 92 00:04:52,793 --> 00:04:54,995 - It was a part of summer, it was a changing of the season. 93 00:04:55,028 --> 00:04:57,465 Some people watched for the robins to come back, 94 00:04:57,498 --> 00:05:00,668 all the kids waited to hear the Boblo boat whistle. 95 00:05:00,701 --> 00:05:05,639 (horn blares) (kids cheer) 96 00:05:07,741 --> 00:05:11,144 - [SS Columbia] They hardly let our boilers cool overnight, 97 00:05:11,178 --> 00:05:12,846 and that's the way I liked it. 98 00:05:18,819 --> 00:05:20,187 But we should have known 99 00:05:20,220 --> 00:05:23,123 that the spell wouldn't last forever. 100 00:05:24,392 --> 00:05:27,595 (soft tinkling music) 101 00:05:29,597 --> 00:05:32,900 (loud hiss from factory) 102 00:05:39,072 --> 00:05:42,376 - All right, well, welcome to the Boblo Ste. Claire. 103 00:05:42,409 --> 00:05:45,312 This is Kevin Mayer, Tony Laginess, and let's go take a walk 104 00:05:45,345 --> 00:05:48,782 and show you the different things on the Ste. Claire. 105 00:05:48,816 --> 00:05:50,518 What is it, 105 years old now? 106 00:05:50,551 --> 00:05:52,052 It's 105-year-old engine, 107 00:05:52,085 --> 00:05:54,522 so, it's actually older than Titanic. 108 00:05:54,555 --> 00:05:56,424 This is the mechanism that used to take the anchors 109 00:05:56,457 --> 00:05:58,459 down or up, it was steam operated. 110 00:05:58,492 --> 00:05:59,993 But it was our backup plan, 111 00:06:00,027 --> 00:06:01,862 so in case we ever started drifting away, 112 00:06:01,895 --> 00:06:04,498 we would just unlock it and let the anchors drop. 113 00:06:06,299 --> 00:06:08,636 And this is the part of the ship that everyone remembers, 114 00:06:08,669 --> 00:06:10,471 especially when you were a kid. 115 00:06:10,504 --> 00:06:13,106 Everybody remembers going up the grand staircase, 116 00:06:13,140 --> 00:06:15,042 a nice brass railing. 117 00:06:15,075 --> 00:06:17,411 You can see how beautiful this was. 118 00:06:17,445 --> 00:06:18,912 All right, let's go upstairs. 119 00:06:21,715 --> 00:06:24,017 So here's the team. 120 00:06:24,051 --> 00:06:27,888 I own the boat, I'm the primary finance 121 00:06:27,921 --> 00:06:29,757 behind the project, okay? 122 00:06:29,790 --> 00:06:32,560 So, Mike Lewinski, actually has been with the boat project 123 00:06:32,593 --> 00:06:34,428 longer than anybody. 124 00:06:34,462 --> 00:06:35,963 If I come on the ship and say, "Ski, is there anyplace 125 00:06:35,996 --> 00:06:37,364 that's weak right now?" 126 00:06:37,397 --> 00:06:39,099 He'll tell me exactly what's changed 127 00:06:39,132 --> 00:06:41,334 from when I was out previously, maybe three days ago. 128 00:06:41,368 --> 00:06:43,370 He knows that structure. 129 00:06:43,403 --> 00:06:47,107 Tony, first of all, knows a lot of people down river. 130 00:06:47,140 --> 00:06:48,842 Best trait that he has is he's not afraid 131 00:06:48,876 --> 00:06:50,511 to ask for something. 132 00:06:50,544 --> 00:06:52,580 Kevin does all the marketing and the publicity. 133 00:06:52,613 --> 00:06:54,081 When he gets in front of the camera, you know, 134 00:06:54,114 --> 00:06:56,283 he's got a good smile, he likes it. 135 00:06:56,316 --> 00:06:58,318 I think Kevin more than anybody, I mean, 136 00:06:59,787 --> 00:07:01,188 whoever's gonna watch this is gonna hear, 137 00:07:01,221 --> 00:07:03,090 "Oh yeah, I love Boblo. I miss Boblo." 138 00:07:03,123 --> 00:07:07,360 But Kevin would have to be at the top of that list. 139 00:07:07,394 --> 00:07:10,163 (playful music) 140 00:07:12,533 --> 00:07:16,403 - I've been building this and collecting it since 1989. 141 00:07:16,436 --> 00:07:19,607 It's not the exact layout of Boblo Island, 142 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,174 that's probably because I got 143 00:07:21,207 --> 00:07:22,910 probably twice as many rides as Boblo Island. 144 00:07:22,943 --> 00:07:25,613 So, I call it my future Boblo. 145 00:07:25,646 --> 00:07:28,782 (playful music) 146 00:07:28,816 --> 00:07:30,784 Yeah, I found a picture of me and my mom 147 00:07:30,818 --> 00:07:32,620 on one of the boats. 148 00:07:32,653 --> 00:07:36,056 I was about six months old wearing a Boblo cap. 149 00:07:37,825 --> 00:07:39,693 And then when I turned 18, the first thing I did 150 00:07:39,727 --> 00:07:41,228 was go down to the boat dock and apply for a job. 151 00:07:41,261 --> 00:07:43,396 There's my uniform right there. 152 00:07:43,430 --> 00:07:45,533 This is the uniform that we had to wear 153 00:07:45,566 --> 00:07:46,933 while working on the boat. 154 00:07:48,936 --> 00:07:50,571 I worked in the concession stand 155 00:07:50,604 --> 00:07:54,007 right across from the bandstand area or the DJ booth. 156 00:07:54,041 --> 00:07:56,544 We worked 18 hour days every other day. 157 00:07:56,577 --> 00:07:58,411 We got there first thing in the morning. 158 00:07:58,445 --> 00:08:01,549 We had to get the hotdogs going, the popcorn, 159 00:08:01,582 --> 00:08:03,951 things like that, but it didn't feel like work. 160 00:08:05,385 --> 00:08:08,155 Even now, when you go on that ship, 161 00:08:08,188 --> 00:08:10,423 all your problems seem to go away, you know. 162 00:08:10,457 --> 00:08:12,359 It's the riding of the boat, 163 00:08:12,392 --> 00:08:15,028 the uniqueness of being on an island amusement park. 164 00:08:15,062 --> 00:08:16,730 It's like you're a kid again. 165 00:08:16,764 --> 00:08:19,533 So, that's why if I can't have the island, 166 00:08:19,567 --> 00:08:21,569 I wanna make the island here. 167 00:08:21,602 --> 00:08:24,371 (playful music) 168 00:08:28,809 --> 00:08:33,113 This was an actual ride back in the late '60s, early '70s. 169 00:08:34,715 --> 00:08:36,650 I mean, this thing looks cool at night. 170 00:08:39,986 --> 00:08:44,457 Boblo called it The Bug, so that's what we call it, The Bug. 171 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:46,827 Get that dirt outta there. 172 00:08:50,230 --> 00:08:53,033 You're not gonna get scared or sick on me, are you? 173 00:08:56,570 --> 00:08:57,404 Ah! 174 00:08:59,873 --> 00:09:02,610 (playful music) 175 00:09:06,079 --> 00:09:08,181 - Genevieve, we have to figure out lunch tomorrow. 176 00:09:08,215 --> 00:09:09,883 Careful, careful. 177 00:09:09,917 --> 00:09:13,286 You know, like it's been such a long road for us. 178 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,189 Like, going back to when he told me he bought the boat. 179 00:09:16,223 --> 00:09:17,357 You know, so he comes home he's like, 180 00:09:17,390 --> 00:09:18,358 "Hey babe." I'm like, "Hey." 181 00:09:18,391 --> 00:09:19,893 You know, whatever. 182 00:09:19,927 --> 00:09:21,629 He's like, "Remember the Boblo Boats?" 183 00:09:21,662 --> 00:09:23,163 I'm like, "Yeah, totally." 184 00:09:23,196 --> 00:09:24,632 I'm like, "We had the best time on that. 185 00:09:24,665 --> 00:09:26,433 Like all us cousins would go this and that." 186 00:09:26,466 --> 00:09:28,368 He's like, "I just bought one." 187 00:09:28,401 --> 00:09:32,005 I'm like, "What? Excuse me, great." 188 00:09:32,039 --> 00:09:33,974 I'm thinking and then I saw a picture of it and I'm like, 189 00:09:34,007 --> 00:09:35,108 "You bought what? You bought this?" 190 00:09:35,142 --> 00:09:36,443 I'm like, "Are you crazy?" 191 00:09:36,476 --> 00:09:38,011 I'm like, "Oh my gosh." 192 00:09:38,045 --> 00:09:39,913 I'm like, "What are we gonna do?" 193 00:09:39,947 --> 00:09:42,482 - Okay, nice deep breath in and out through your mouth. 194 00:09:42,515 --> 00:09:45,518 Never as a child did I ever think about 195 00:09:45,552 --> 00:09:47,454 or dream about owning the boat. 196 00:09:49,222 --> 00:09:52,092 It's my own nostalgia that I have for the boat. 197 00:09:52,125 --> 00:09:55,162 My kids, you know, I wanna pass this on to them. 198 00:09:56,563 --> 00:09:59,099 - [Danielle] Ron works every single day. 199 00:09:59,132 --> 00:10:01,034 He'll come home at seven, 200 00:10:01,068 --> 00:10:04,037 totally hangs out with the kids and plays with them. 201 00:10:04,071 --> 00:10:06,206 There they are, hiding as usual. 202 00:10:06,239 --> 00:10:08,341 Yeah, we don't go out much anymore. 203 00:10:08,375 --> 00:10:10,911 Have date night anymore, whatever, so to say. 204 00:10:10,944 --> 00:10:12,279 - Where's Jonathan? 205 00:10:12,312 --> 00:10:13,814 - [Danielle] Non-stop phone calls. 206 00:10:13,847 --> 00:10:15,649 He gets phone calls all night long. 207 00:10:15,683 --> 00:10:17,550 I don't think he's had a full night sleep in over a year. 208 00:10:17,584 --> 00:10:18,719 (child meows) 209 00:10:18,752 --> 00:10:19,552 - Is that a cat in the house? 210 00:10:19,586 --> 00:10:21,488 (child meows) 211 00:10:21,521 --> 00:10:22,956 - [Danielle] I mean, it's tiring, it's a lot. 212 00:10:22,990 --> 00:10:24,825 Like, the average person could not handle 213 00:10:24,858 --> 00:10:28,428 what he handles, 100%. 214 00:10:28,461 --> 00:10:30,931 - [Girl] Do me, do me. 215 00:10:30,964 --> 00:10:32,099 (girl laughing) 216 00:10:32,132 --> 00:10:33,633 - There was definitely times 217 00:10:33,667 --> 00:10:35,468 where the boat was more of a burden 218 00:10:35,502 --> 00:10:36,636 than a good thing, you know. 219 00:10:36,670 --> 00:10:38,706 It was financially stressful. 220 00:10:38,739 --> 00:10:42,542 But he doesn't let obstacles get him down. 221 00:10:42,575 --> 00:10:45,679 Even like, a few summers ago he had a brain tumor 222 00:10:45,713 --> 00:10:47,314 and that just came out of nowhere 223 00:10:47,347 --> 00:10:51,384 and totally just like a crazy experience for us. 224 00:10:51,418 --> 00:10:55,055 I mean, he would sit there and write the alphabet 225 00:10:55,088 --> 00:10:57,490 over and over and over to get his penmanship back 226 00:10:57,524 --> 00:11:01,194 and his handwriting and you know, he's just very determined 227 00:11:01,228 --> 00:11:04,331 and like, when he puts his mind to something, that's it. 228 00:11:04,364 --> 00:11:05,933 He does it. 229 00:11:05,966 --> 00:11:07,467 - Cancer survivors don't always talk about that, 230 00:11:07,500 --> 00:11:09,602 don't always wanna talk about that. 231 00:11:09,636 --> 00:11:11,371 You know, I too am a cancer survivor, 232 00:11:11,404 --> 00:11:14,307 so, not everybody knows it, so, you know. 233 00:11:14,341 --> 00:11:18,345 But there was a time when he wasn't too sure about things. 234 00:11:18,378 --> 00:11:21,414 You know, Ron called me and you know, you know, 235 00:11:21,448 --> 00:11:23,150 he told me he wasn't doing good. 236 00:11:23,183 --> 00:11:25,218 He's got all kinds of tubes coming off him 237 00:11:25,252 --> 00:11:27,988 and tons of IVs going into him and it's like, you know, 238 00:11:28,021 --> 00:11:30,891 this ain't the same person I'm used to talking to. 239 00:11:30,924 --> 00:11:32,926 And it was like 4:30 in the morning and he's like, 240 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:34,895 "You awake?" And I'm like, "Yeah, I'm awake, I'm at work." 241 00:11:34,928 --> 00:11:36,764 He's like, "Yeah, I got bad news. 242 00:11:36,797 --> 00:11:38,732 I think we're gonna have to scrap the boat." 243 00:11:40,167 --> 00:11:42,002 He's like, "My health isn't the greatest 244 00:11:42,035 --> 00:11:45,906 and you can't own this boat by yourself." I'm like, "True." 245 00:11:45,939 --> 00:11:47,407 So he's like, "At this time I'm thinking 246 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,009 we're gonna scrap the project." 247 00:11:50,410 --> 00:11:51,578 After about a week, he's like, 248 00:11:51,611 --> 00:11:53,713 "No, we're not gonna scrap it." 249 00:11:53,747 --> 00:11:55,448 He was like, "Did you cut anything off yet?" 250 00:11:55,482 --> 00:11:57,350 "Nope, I didn't cut anything off, just measured." 251 00:11:57,384 --> 00:11:59,619 He's like, "Yeah, that's fine. We're gonna keep the boat." 252 00:11:59,652 --> 00:12:02,555 "Okay." And that was the end of that conversation. 253 00:12:04,357 --> 00:12:07,394 - I'm a very hands on, I like to do everything on my own, 254 00:12:07,427 --> 00:12:09,429 which it's good you're involved, 255 00:12:09,462 --> 00:12:13,400 but a negative side to that is that you can get overwhelmed. 256 00:12:13,433 --> 00:12:16,136 So, I've been giving Kevin more and more tasks 257 00:12:16,169 --> 00:12:18,305 that he's very comfortable with doing 258 00:12:18,338 --> 00:12:20,607 and that I'm comfortable with him doing. 259 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,510 He can literally devote all his time to this. 260 00:12:23,543 --> 00:12:25,045 If we had a hundred people like Kevin, 261 00:12:25,078 --> 00:12:27,014 this would've been done probably 10 years ago. 262 00:12:29,549 --> 00:12:31,819 - [Kevin] After the work is completed on the Ste. Claire, 263 00:12:31,852 --> 00:12:34,221 this is one of the places that we're thinking 264 00:12:34,254 --> 00:12:36,389 of having her as a dockside attraction. 265 00:12:36,423 --> 00:12:39,759 - [Ron] Utilizing the ship for public events, 266 00:12:39,793 --> 00:12:42,863 weddings and proms and graduations and corporate parties. 267 00:12:42,896 --> 00:12:47,801 You know, food, dining, Boblo gift shop, the museum itself. 268 00:12:47,835 --> 00:12:49,669 - And we'd also like to, you know, 269 00:12:49,702 --> 00:12:52,039 reach out to a lot of the senior homes in the area 270 00:12:52,072 --> 00:12:54,975 and stuff like that and bring them on along down here. 271 00:12:55,008 --> 00:12:57,344 You know, they could be on the second deck playing bingo, 272 00:12:57,377 --> 00:13:00,447 listening to the oldies, Steve Miller, 273 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:04,051 maybe some polkas, things like that that they remember. 274 00:13:04,084 --> 00:13:05,552 - We're at that point, you know, 275 00:13:05,585 --> 00:13:07,387 we don't wanna give up on the boat, 276 00:13:07,420 --> 00:13:08,421 just like people don't wanna give up on the city. 277 00:13:08,455 --> 00:13:09,823 And it's small changes. 278 00:13:11,291 --> 00:13:13,193 Clearly, if you're going, you know, 279 00:13:13,226 --> 00:13:15,062 for those who haven't been in Detroit in a long time, 280 00:13:15,095 --> 00:13:16,864 if you go down there now, I mean, there new buildings, 281 00:13:16,897 --> 00:13:18,398 new stadium, you know, they're bring the railway system. 282 00:13:18,431 --> 00:13:19,566 We know a lot's going down in the city. 283 00:13:19,599 --> 00:13:21,168 I mean, same thing for us. 284 00:13:21,201 --> 00:13:23,003 - It's a humongous job. 285 00:13:23,036 --> 00:13:25,372 Well, I'll be the first to admit, 286 00:13:25,405 --> 00:13:29,509 do I want this boat back like three weeks ago? Heck yeah. 287 00:13:29,542 --> 00:13:31,211 But I know that's not a reality. 288 00:13:31,244 --> 00:13:33,080 - Everybody wants to have a comment. 289 00:13:33,113 --> 00:13:35,048 They don't take a look at the people individually and say, 290 00:13:35,082 --> 00:13:36,917 "Well, what's really going on? Why did this happen?" 291 00:13:36,950 --> 00:13:38,685 It's all about, well, the boat should have been done by now. 292 00:13:38,718 --> 00:13:40,287 Okay, well great. 293 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:41,922 Let's see what you can do that I couldn't do 294 00:13:41,955 --> 00:13:44,257 with all the obstacles I've had. 295 00:13:44,290 --> 00:13:48,328 - But if anybody's gonna do it, we are. 296 00:13:48,361 --> 00:13:49,629 - That's right. - Right. 297 00:13:56,469 --> 00:13:58,138 - Hey, oh. 298 00:13:58,171 --> 00:13:59,372 - Well, there goes that. 299 00:14:00,473 --> 00:14:01,909 - It isn't because I'm heavy. 300 00:14:04,644 --> 00:14:05,478 Whoa! 301 00:14:06,980 --> 00:14:09,950 We met in 1988 at a nightclub called 302 00:14:09,983 --> 00:14:11,751 Nectarine Ballroom in Ann Arbor. 303 00:14:11,784 --> 00:14:14,554 We went dancing and then I got his phone number 304 00:14:14,587 --> 00:14:19,126 and we started dating and just went on from there. 305 00:14:23,363 --> 00:14:25,098 (Jeff whistles) 306 00:14:25,132 --> 00:14:26,566 We're opposites but we're not. 307 00:14:26,599 --> 00:14:28,835 You know, we love each other to a point 308 00:14:28,868 --> 00:14:30,503 where we know our differences 309 00:14:30,537 --> 00:14:32,139 and we know where we start, we end, 310 00:14:32,172 --> 00:14:35,943 and I think we both have that fire for life. 311 00:14:35,976 --> 00:14:39,412 And I think that's what brings us, keeps us together. 312 00:14:43,883 --> 00:14:46,886 I never went to Boblo Island, only once or twice as a child, 313 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,322 but he brought me into that world. 314 00:14:49,356 --> 00:14:52,559 And he got an invitation to go to a Boblo reunion 315 00:14:52,592 --> 00:14:54,294 and he wasn't gonna go, and I said, 316 00:14:54,327 --> 00:14:57,264 "You better go because you love Boblo Island, 317 00:14:57,297 --> 00:14:58,798 you better be there." 318 00:14:58,831 --> 00:15:01,668 He just was so upset when the boat closed 319 00:15:01,701 --> 00:15:04,104 and reliving those memories. 320 00:15:04,137 --> 00:15:05,872 But I'm glad we went to the reunion. 321 00:15:05,905 --> 00:15:08,141 We had a lot of fun. Had a lot of fun. 322 00:15:08,175 --> 00:15:10,510 Met the owner of the boat, Ron Kattoo, 323 00:15:10,543 --> 00:15:13,013 and we started volunteering on the boat. 324 00:15:13,046 --> 00:15:14,481 - I became a volunteer, 325 00:15:14,514 --> 00:15:16,383 started working on the the boat 326 00:15:16,416 --> 00:15:19,219 and Ron asked me if I'd be the volunteer coordinator. 327 00:15:19,252 --> 00:15:21,554 I would email 'em, "Hey, we're gonna work at the boat 328 00:15:21,588 --> 00:15:23,490 on this day from this time to this time, 329 00:15:23,523 --> 00:15:24,992 and this is what we're gonna do." 330 00:15:25,025 --> 00:15:26,593 I also became the general manager, 331 00:15:26,626 --> 00:15:28,595 designing a lot of the souvenirs that we sold 332 00:15:28,628 --> 00:15:31,331 at different events and shows and whatnot 333 00:15:31,364 --> 00:15:34,968 to raise money to help the project out. 334 00:15:35,002 --> 00:15:37,170 Seriously, when the island went under and stuff like that 335 00:15:37,204 --> 00:15:38,371 I was devastated. 336 00:15:40,173 --> 00:15:42,009 Like I said, that whole thing 337 00:15:42,042 --> 00:15:44,611 it's just like losing a family member. 338 00:15:44,644 --> 00:15:46,213 A lotta people think I'm crazy, 339 00:15:47,614 --> 00:15:52,585 but I never wanna see that island again. 340 00:15:52,619 --> 00:15:54,154 (foreboding string music) 341 00:15:54,187 --> 00:15:57,024 From what I hear, where the amusement park was 342 00:15:57,057 --> 00:15:59,426 they've let it go, the buildings are falling down, 343 00:15:59,459 --> 00:16:00,960 they've been vandalized. 344 00:16:02,429 --> 00:16:03,963 You know, the Space Needle is still there. 345 00:16:03,997 --> 00:16:05,532 That's the only ride that's still there. 346 00:16:05,565 --> 00:16:08,735 But I wanna remember it the way it was. 347 00:16:08,768 --> 00:16:10,970 I don't wanna see it the way it looks now. 348 00:16:14,207 --> 00:16:16,676 (birds tweet) 349 00:16:27,254 --> 00:16:29,989 (distant organ music) 350 00:16:32,792 --> 00:16:34,561 - [SS Columbia] This dock is where 351 00:16:34,594 --> 00:16:39,099 my work as a ferry boat stopped and the island took over. 352 00:16:52,045 --> 00:16:53,480 - That is huge. 353 00:16:53,513 --> 00:16:55,548 That is absolutely huge. 354 00:16:55,582 --> 00:17:00,587 In 1600, in the very early days, the French came over 355 00:17:01,988 --> 00:17:03,456 and started trading with the native peoples. 356 00:17:03,490 --> 00:17:06,292 The coureur des bois or the French woodsman, 357 00:17:06,326 --> 00:17:09,628 they named Boblo based upon the white wood 358 00:17:09,662 --> 00:17:13,300 of the basswood tree, Tilia Americana. 359 00:17:13,333 --> 00:17:16,669 So sure enough, Boblo Island, bois blanc, 360 00:17:16,703 --> 00:17:19,672 is probably just a mispronunciation of the French 361 00:17:19,705 --> 00:17:22,575 because it is difficult for English-speaking people, 362 00:17:22,608 --> 00:17:24,743 for that French pronunciation of bois blanc, 363 00:17:26,079 --> 00:17:27,880 pronounced it Boblo. 364 00:17:27,914 --> 00:17:30,150 But it's based on the basswood tree. 365 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,254 And it does not take long for nature 366 00:17:34,287 --> 00:17:38,458 to actually take this back from a mowed and manicured state. 367 00:17:39,859 --> 00:17:43,463 That is an amenity to those who now live 368 00:17:43,496 --> 00:17:44,997 in this wonderful residential 369 00:17:45,031 --> 00:17:47,134 development on the north end of the island. 370 00:17:56,109 --> 00:17:57,644 (foreboding string music) 371 00:17:57,677 --> 00:17:59,479 - I heard that they built mansions 372 00:17:59,512 --> 00:18:02,482 over where Boblo used to be, and that's unfortunate. 373 00:18:02,515 --> 00:18:04,117 I really wish we still had Boblo. 374 00:18:04,151 --> 00:18:06,719 It gives Detroiters something to do 375 00:18:06,753 --> 00:18:09,021 instead of just hanging out in the streets. 376 00:18:09,055 --> 00:18:11,291 - Kids' first experiences going on a boat 377 00:18:11,324 --> 00:18:13,960 was very likely the Columbia and the Ste. Claire 378 00:18:13,993 --> 00:18:15,895 for people living in this area. 379 00:18:15,928 --> 00:18:18,931 - Boblo, was in the inner city. 380 00:18:18,965 --> 00:18:20,767 You know what I'm saying? 381 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:22,101 From the inner city kids like, oh, we going to Boblo. 382 00:18:22,135 --> 00:18:24,437 You know, this a part of history. 383 00:18:24,471 --> 00:18:26,306 (soft piano music) 384 00:18:26,339 --> 00:18:29,776 - [SS Columbia] When Boblo Island closed down in 1993, 385 00:18:29,809 --> 00:18:34,614 no one had any use for two old amusement park steamboats. 386 00:18:36,082 --> 00:18:38,285 Claire and I fell into a deep slumber. 387 00:18:40,086 --> 00:18:44,657 It seemed like even the Motor City itself was fast asleep. 388 00:18:44,691 --> 00:18:49,196 Shops closed their doors, the streets were deserted, 389 00:18:49,229 --> 00:18:52,932 the fires of the factory furnaces grew cold. 390 00:18:52,965 --> 00:18:56,102 The river slowed even down to the fish. 391 00:18:57,804 --> 00:19:01,908 And there we were, the oldest passenger steamboats 392 00:19:01,941 --> 00:19:04,811 in America, slumbering away. 393 00:19:06,213 --> 00:19:08,915 - You look at at something like that 394 00:19:08,948 --> 00:19:10,383 sitting and moldering away, 395 00:19:10,417 --> 00:19:12,118 and it's a little like seeing 396 00:19:12,151 --> 00:19:14,487 Aunt Sadie in the hospital dying of cancer. 397 00:19:15,888 --> 00:19:17,690 - I used to get the feeling from her 398 00:19:17,724 --> 00:19:21,928 she was so lonely, she just hated sitting there. 399 00:19:23,696 --> 00:19:26,366 - Detroiters as a whole feel really sad. I feel sad. 400 00:19:26,399 --> 00:19:30,136 Anybody that I knew in the family and friends are sad 401 00:19:30,169 --> 00:19:32,705 that we don't have this in our life anymore. 402 00:19:34,507 --> 00:19:35,975 - [SS Columbia] There's not so many folks still around 403 00:19:36,008 --> 00:19:38,845 who remember a different side to Boblo. 404 00:19:40,613 --> 00:19:42,782 All these good times have a way of washing away 405 00:19:42,815 --> 00:19:45,585 the things people just assume to forget. 406 00:19:47,019 --> 00:19:50,490 - It has a place in civil rights history. 407 00:19:50,523 --> 00:19:52,225 I did not know that. 408 00:19:52,259 --> 00:19:54,327 I don't think your average person who attended Boblo Island 409 00:19:54,361 --> 00:19:56,162 or rode on the boats ever knew that. 410 00:19:57,797 --> 00:19:59,932 - [SS Columbia] But I was there, 411 00:19:59,966 --> 00:20:03,135 and I'll never forget, Sarah. 412 00:20:04,604 --> 00:20:06,406 - Sarah Elizabeth Ray was working 413 00:20:06,439 --> 00:20:08,708 in a city ordinance department 414 00:20:08,741 --> 00:20:10,977 and that department had a special program 415 00:20:11,010 --> 00:20:12,912 where people could get extra training 416 00:20:12,945 --> 00:20:16,115 and she was the only African American in the group. 417 00:20:16,148 --> 00:20:18,150 So for their graduation, 418 00:20:18,184 --> 00:20:21,087 they decided they were gonna ride the Boblo boat. 419 00:20:22,889 --> 00:20:24,991 I assume everything had been segregated at some point, 420 00:20:25,024 --> 00:20:28,295 so, I wasn't shocked that it was segregated. 421 00:20:29,762 --> 00:20:33,633 What's a little shocking to me is how quickly 422 00:20:33,666 --> 00:20:36,068 the Detroit community was willing to forget 423 00:20:36,102 --> 00:20:40,640 and forgive the racist history of the Boblo company. 424 00:20:43,576 --> 00:20:46,012 - You're making people uncomfortable Miss. 425 00:20:46,045 --> 00:20:47,914 - Well, that's their problem. 426 00:20:49,616 --> 00:20:52,619 - Now is when you're supposed to get off my boat. 427 00:20:52,652 --> 00:20:53,486 (snaps fingers) 428 00:20:59,292 --> 00:21:03,996 - That was a very deep cut both to her as a human being, 429 00:21:04,030 --> 00:21:06,466 but also as a woman who had had accomplished 430 00:21:06,499 --> 00:21:09,902 probably more than anybody in her family at that time. 431 00:21:12,672 --> 00:21:15,808 It's hard to imagine the shame and embarrassment 432 00:21:15,842 --> 00:21:18,077 that she must have undergone in that moment. 433 00:21:19,912 --> 00:21:22,915 And there are people who kind of skulk away and don't fight. 434 00:21:22,949 --> 00:21:25,885 But for her that was like, "Oh no, 435 00:21:27,687 --> 00:21:31,090 I've come too far and they're not getting away with this." 436 00:21:31,123 --> 00:21:33,393 She went straight to the NAACP 437 00:21:33,426 --> 00:21:37,029 and reported what happened and they took the case. 438 00:21:37,063 --> 00:21:38,631 One thing that people don't know 439 00:21:38,665 --> 00:21:41,033 is that once the NAACP got involved, 440 00:21:41,067 --> 00:21:43,870 Thurgood Marshall actually got on the case. 441 00:21:43,903 --> 00:21:46,072 So, according to the Michigan Civil Rights Act, 442 00:21:46,105 --> 00:21:48,240 you could not discriminate on the basis of race 443 00:21:48,274 --> 00:21:52,912 in public accommodations, but Boblo kept appealing. 444 00:21:52,945 --> 00:21:56,849 What the courts found is that it was a public accommodation 445 00:21:56,883 --> 00:21:59,419 and they could not discriminate on the basis of race. 446 00:21:59,452 --> 00:22:02,522 So, woo hoo! Sarah won. 447 00:22:02,555 --> 00:22:04,857 (uplifting music) (amusement park rides) 448 00:22:04,891 --> 00:22:08,861 And that was sort of the end of that fight in that moment. 449 00:22:08,895 --> 00:22:12,665 But it had given Thurgood Marshall yet one more test 450 00:22:12,699 --> 00:22:16,068 of what was the Supreme Court's appetite 451 00:22:16,102 --> 00:22:20,339 for ruling that separate but equal in public accommodations 452 00:22:20,373 --> 00:22:23,175 and public spaces would be unconstitutional? 453 00:22:23,209 --> 00:22:25,745 And so his next trip to the Supreme Court 454 00:22:25,778 --> 00:22:28,247 was Brown versus Board of Education. 455 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:32,819 So, for real, Sarah Elizabeth Ray did pave the way 456 00:22:32,852 --> 00:22:35,955 for the change of law in the United States. 457 00:22:35,988 --> 00:22:38,057 - [SS Columbia] Sarah spent the rest of her life 458 00:22:38,090 --> 00:22:42,562 fighting for racial justice in her east side neighborhood. 459 00:22:42,595 --> 00:22:47,467 In 2006, she passed away, 88 years old, 460 00:22:47,500 --> 00:22:49,469 impoverished and alone. 461 00:22:50,937 --> 00:22:54,641 15 years later, her home still stands 462 00:22:54,674 --> 00:22:58,945 and inside the traces of Sarah's life remain, 463 00:22:58,978 --> 00:23:02,715 scattered in debris and refuse across the floor. 464 00:23:04,917 --> 00:23:07,820 (melancholy music) 465 00:23:20,733 --> 00:23:23,770 - My main concern right now is getting these decks clear. 466 00:23:23,803 --> 00:23:25,672 And like, see that... 467 00:23:25,705 --> 00:23:26,673 So, this is Stephen Faraj, he's my brother-in-law, 468 00:23:26,706 --> 00:23:28,475 he's my wife's brother. 469 00:23:28,508 --> 00:23:32,979 Stephen will be taking over the day-to-day responsibilities 470 00:23:33,012 --> 00:23:35,482 in terms of doing cleanup, maintenance. 471 00:23:35,515 --> 00:23:37,216 He'll be taking care of the scheduling. 472 00:23:37,249 --> 00:23:39,018 So, essentially I'll go down there to the ship, 473 00:23:39,051 --> 00:23:40,787 make sure everything's going well. 474 00:23:42,154 --> 00:23:43,790 (loud metal bang) 475 00:23:43,823 --> 00:23:45,892 Really what I wanna do with those metal plates, 476 00:23:45,925 --> 00:23:49,496 just make a a row, that way it's somewhat protected here. 477 00:23:49,529 --> 00:23:52,832 And then this room should be empty when it's done. Okay? 478 00:23:52,865 --> 00:23:54,767 - Right now we wanna preserve the boat. 479 00:23:54,801 --> 00:23:57,236 If you look at the boat now, compared to eight years ago, 480 00:23:57,269 --> 00:23:59,839 there's been some big steps backwards. 481 00:23:59,872 --> 00:24:01,340 I'm here to stop that 482 00:24:01,373 --> 00:24:03,142 and make sure that we're progressing forward. 483 00:24:04,577 --> 00:24:06,445 My brother-in-law got this big project 484 00:24:06,479 --> 00:24:08,515 and frankly, I don't think he really knew, you know, 485 00:24:08,548 --> 00:24:10,182 what was going on here. 486 00:24:10,216 --> 00:24:13,820 Slowly but surely, you know, we will get there. 487 00:24:22,461 --> 00:24:25,765 - So, I have a folder all about Sugar Island. 488 00:24:26,633 --> 00:24:28,668 I found what I think 489 00:24:28,701 --> 00:24:33,205 is going to be very pertinent, it's Sugar Island, 490 00:24:33,239 --> 00:24:38,210 the African American amusement park that never was. 491 00:24:39,912 --> 00:24:42,348 (tinkling music) 492 00:24:42,381 --> 00:24:46,686 In 1944, Black Detroiters bought Sugar Island 493 00:24:46,719 --> 00:24:50,857 to develop a recreation site on 29 acres. 494 00:24:52,291 --> 00:24:54,627 They bought a ferry boat, Sea Breeze, 495 00:24:54,661 --> 00:24:57,229 and picked up passengers in Wyandotte. 496 00:24:57,263 --> 00:25:00,032 (tinkling music) 497 00:25:00,066 --> 00:25:02,635 They wouldn't be discriminated against 498 00:25:02,669 --> 00:25:05,838 and it would be for their own people. 499 00:25:07,306 --> 00:25:11,077 They were going to bring bands like Cab Calloway 500 00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:15,081 and Duke Ellington down to play for entertainment. 501 00:25:16,315 --> 00:25:18,050 But it didn't happen. 502 00:25:20,319 --> 00:25:23,590 It was said they were thwarted in their efforts. 503 00:25:23,623 --> 00:25:28,628 The power lines were cut and the boat sunk. 504 00:25:29,361 --> 00:25:31,530 (music swells) 505 00:25:31,564 --> 00:25:35,334 As far as the cause of the ship sinking, 506 00:25:35,367 --> 00:25:39,606 that remains a mystery to this day. 507 00:25:39,639 --> 00:25:44,143 Although there is consensus among downriver natives 508 00:25:44,176 --> 00:25:49,115 that the Sea Breeze was intentionally sunk to thwart 509 00:25:49,148 --> 00:25:53,152 the efforts of the Sugar Island Amusement Corporation, 510 00:25:54,921 --> 00:25:58,424 there is no hard evidence supporting the story. 511 00:26:00,126 --> 00:26:02,328 - [SS Columbia] Why does history have a tendency 512 00:26:02,361 --> 00:26:07,366 to remember some things while conveniently omitting others? 513 00:26:14,573 --> 00:26:15,441 - Hey 514 00:26:16,943 --> 00:26:18,410 - On that corner right there, 515 00:26:18,444 --> 00:26:22,081 there used to be a very vibrant barbershop. 516 00:26:22,114 --> 00:26:23,449 - Across the street? - Across there where you 517 00:26:23,482 --> 00:26:25,251 see all those trees. 518 00:26:25,284 --> 00:26:28,621 - We had apartment buildings, apartment buildings 519 00:26:28,655 --> 00:26:30,289 and what have you. 520 00:26:30,322 --> 00:26:32,524 - There's nobody here anymore. 521 00:26:32,558 --> 00:26:34,927 You know, my mother-in-law is one of the last 522 00:26:34,961 --> 00:26:36,696 of the Mohicans around here. 523 00:26:36,729 --> 00:26:39,598 You know, she is the monarch in this neighborhood. 524 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,870 - Even though the houses are boarded up and burned out, 525 00:26:43,903 --> 00:26:46,138 this is where I live. 526 00:26:50,977 --> 00:26:52,511 - Did you see this picture right here? 527 00:26:52,544 --> 00:26:54,146 That's all the people standing in line 528 00:26:54,180 --> 00:26:55,682 trying to get on the Boblo Boat. 529 00:26:55,715 --> 00:26:59,185 I met my husband over on the Boblo Boat. 530 00:26:59,218 --> 00:27:02,922 Now he's my husband, now he's my husband. 531 00:27:04,791 --> 00:27:09,495 We need Detroit fixed first before you can go fix a boat. 532 00:27:09,528 --> 00:27:13,265 I'm not against any, the Boblo Boat, don't get me wrong, 533 00:27:13,299 --> 00:27:15,101 I would love to see that. 534 00:27:15,134 --> 00:27:17,937 But before I see $10 million go into the Boblo Boat, 535 00:27:17,970 --> 00:27:21,207 I would like to see $10 million put into our neighborhoods. 536 00:27:26,245 --> 00:27:30,149 - [SS Columbia] Not everyone who left this city wanted to. 537 00:27:30,182 --> 00:27:33,019 Some stayed as long as they could 538 00:27:33,052 --> 00:27:35,521 until there was no other option. 539 00:27:37,223 --> 00:27:41,093 Claire and I waited for decades hoping a prince would come 540 00:27:41,127 --> 00:27:43,796 to save us with his kiss. 541 00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:46,933 Praying our luck might finally change 542 00:27:46,966 --> 00:27:50,369 and we could witness Detroit's resurgence. 543 00:27:50,402 --> 00:27:54,106 (soft piano music) (boat engine running) 544 00:27:54,140 --> 00:27:57,343 The kiss came, but not without a price. 545 00:27:58,778 --> 00:28:01,781 I was bought by some folks out of New York. 546 00:28:01,814 --> 00:28:04,683 They seemed determined to breathe new life into me 547 00:28:06,452 --> 00:28:09,388 and in exchange they wanted me to meet a new river, 548 00:28:09,421 --> 00:28:10,456 the Hudson. 549 00:28:11,858 --> 00:28:13,559 In order to have a new life, 550 00:28:13,592 --> 00:28:16,796 I was forced to leave all that I love behind 551 00:28:16,829 --> 00:28:19,766 and sail into uncharted waters. 552 00:28:19,799 --> 00:28:22,802 (soft piano music) 553 00:28:26,605 --> 00:28:29,341 - You could not build this boat now. 554 00:28:29,375 --> 00:28:31,643 You couldn't do it sort of skill-wise. 555 00:28:31,677 --> 00:28:34,413 You couldn't do it from a regulatory standpoint. 556 00:28:34,446 --> 00:28:36,682 People's comfort and the experience 557 00:28:36,715 --> 00:28:39,251 was very much in the minds of the designers. 558 00:28:40,686 --> 00:28:42,554 The way the chairs, I mean, the seats, 559 00:28:42,588 --> 00:28:44,423 you picked the seats up and you moved them around, right? 560 00:28:44,456 --> 00:28:46,458 You get on a modern boat, the seats are all lined up. 561 00:28:46,492 --> 00:28:50,196 Like, who goes through the world like that by choice. 562 00:28:50,229 --> 00:28:52,498 It matters that she's had all those people 563 00:28:52,531 --> 00:28:54,100 treading upon her decks. 564 00:28:54,133 --> 00:28:56,168 It matters that she's made all those trips. 565 00:28:56,202 --> 00:28:57,603 That's why we're passionate. 566 00:29:02,008 --> 00:29:04,610 We plan to take Columbia to New York City 567 00:29:04,643 --> 00:29:06,612 and the Hudson River Valley. 568 00:29:06,645 --> 00:29:08,480 Steam started there. 569 00:29:08,514 --> 00:29:11,517 Steam essentially ended there with the Alexander Hamilton. 570 00:29:11,550 --> 00:29:14,220 So, we wanna bring steam back to the valley. 571 00:29:16,889 --> 00:29:19,325 Throughout her life she was evolving 572 00:29:19,358 --> 00:29:22,561 and it's only appropriate that we then continue that path, 573 00:29:22,594 --> 00:29:25,431 especially if she's the people's boat, like people change, 574 00:29:25,464 --> 00:29:27,433 and she's gonna change along with 'em. 575 00:29:29,335 --> 00:29:32,004 - [SS Columbia] My days in Detroit are numbered 576 00:29:32,038 --> 00:29:33,405 but not over yet. 577 00:29:34,740 --> 00:29:37,810 They still have to finish patching my hull. 578 00:29:37,844 --> 00:29:40,947 Perhaps someday I'll be sailing again. 579 00:29:42,748 --> 00:29:45,852 - In New York, people will be able to get on board 580 00:29:45,885 --> 00:29:49,621 and experience long ago in the present. 581 00:29:49,655 --> 00:29:53,092 So, she'll be like a floating time machine in a sense. 582 00:29:54,226 --> 00:29:56,362 (soft piano music) 583 00:29:57,864 --> 00:29:59,899 My dad took me on board when I was six years old 584 00:29:59,932 --> 00:30:00,933 for the first time. 585 00:30:02,434 --> 00:30:05,537 And the first place he took me was to the place 586 00:30:05,571 --> 00:30:07,840 where you can look down and watch the engine. 587 00:30:09,575 --> 00:30:13,345 The metal railing, the brass railing on the grand staircase, 588 00:30:14,847 --> 00:30:19,518 if you hold that and you open your palms 589 00:30:21,287 --> 00:30:24,957 and close your eyes and listen, you can hear people, 590 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,097 you can hear footsteps going up and down. 591 00:30:31,130 --> 00:30:35,534 You can hear the babble of people. 592 00:30:35,567 --> 00:30:37,703 First time I did that, somebody was there 593 00:30:37,736 --> 00:30:40,139 that didn't understand what I was doing. 594 00:30:40,172 --> 00:30:42,074 She said, "Are you all right?" 595 00:30:42,108 --> 00:30:45,777 I said, "Yeah, just let me be, I'm listening." 596 00:30:45,811 --> 00:30:46,812 "Listening to what?" 597 00:30:48,114 --> 00:30:50,016 "I'm listening to history." 598 00:30:56,288 --> 00:30:59,992 When I had the mastoidectomy, I nearly died. 599 00:31:00,026 --> 00:31:02,794 I almost didn't come out of it. 600 00:31:02,828 --> 00:31:04,863 If you felt the bone behind my ear, 601 00:31:04,897 --> 00:31:08,534 you'd feel a depression where there was bone removed. 602 00:31:09,969 --> 00:31:12,004 And after that, I couldn't figure out 603 00:31:12,038 --> 00:31:13,572 what was happening to me 604 00:31:13,605 --> 00:31:17,576 because I was picking up everybody's feelings. 605 00:31:19,011 --> 00:31:21,413 I'd be feeling fine, walk down the street, 606 00:31:21,447 --> 00:31:24,516 pass somebody who had a headache or a stomachache, 607 00:31:24,550 --> 00:31:27,954 or they were angry, and I would experience that. 608 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:35,427 I don't know what it is, 609 00:31:37,263 --> 00:31:42,234 but the Columbia, she does talk to me from time to time. 610 00:31:46,438 --> 00:31:51,443 One time she said, "Restore my boilers, restore me." 611 00:31:52,945 --> 00:31:54,580 - [SS Columbia] Restore my boilers, restore me. 612 00:31:55,481 --> 00:31:57,083 Get my engine going. 613 00:31:58,850 --> 00:32:01,187 Put me in New York and I'll show those youngsters 614 00:32:01,220 --> 00:32:02,821 a thing or two. 615 00:32:02,854 --> 00:32:05,657 (Gloria chuckles) 616 00:32:05,691 --> 00:32:08,327 - She says these funny little things. 617 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:13,065 She told me after they scraped all those zebra mussels 618 00:32:13,099 --> 00:32:16,435 off her hull, that her bottom was the cleanest 619 00:32:16,468 --> 00:32:20,272 it had been in years. (Gloria chuckles) 620 00:32:21,773 --> 00:32:24,910 But I've never had the Ste. Claire talk to me 621 00:32:27,779 --> 00:32:29,648 and I'm not sure I would want that. 622 00:32:34,420 --> 00:32:37,856 - [SS Columbia] Were her masts raised under a dark star? 623 00:32:39,591 --> 00:32:42,861 Her hull forged with sinister iron? 624 00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:47,566 If my sister isn't cursed, then why is she always 625 00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:50,269 caught between the devil and the deep blue sea? 626 00:32:52,038 --> 00:32:53,939 - I think it was in the '20s that the boat stopped 627 00:32:53,972 --> 00:32:56,275 and picked up three bodies out of the river. 628 00:32:56,308 --> 00:32:58,644 And they brought 'em and put 'em in a certain room 629 00:32:58,677 --> 00:33:01,847 on the boat and for years and years and years and years, 630 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,216 everybody would tell you you'd see three light orbs, 631 00:33:04,250 --> 00:33:06,785 shoom, shoom, in and out of that room. 632 00:33:06,818 --> 00:33:09,021 We had that door nailed shut. 633 00:33:09,055 --> 00:33:11,823 We won't let anybody go in that room. It was that creepy. 634 00:33:13,625 --> 00:33:15,594 - A lot of people even would say they wouldn't ride on her. 635 00:33:15,627 --> 00:33:17,263 They would wait for the Columbia 636 00:33:17,296 --> 00:33:18,964 and not ride on the Ste. Claire. 637 00:33:18,997 --> 00:33:20,799 (playful music) 638 00:33:20,832 --> 00:33:24,370 With ships there's a lot of superstitions. 639 00:33:24,403 --> 00:33:27,439 When the Edmund Fitzgerald was launched, 640 00:33:27,473 --> 00:33:30,409 a huge wave crashed up against the dock 641 00:33:30,442 --> 00:33:32,544 and a guy had a heart attack even and died. 642 00:33:34,413 --> 00:33:38,016 When the Ste. Claire was launched, she listed, you know. 643 00:33:38,050 --> 00:33:41,120 And thy all say these are bad omens. 644 00:33:41,153 --> 00:33:43,855 Ships do have souls, they do have heart. 645 00:33:43,889 --> 00:33:45,324 And they're like any kind of sisters, 646 00:33:45,357 --> 00:33:47,326 they both have a different personality. 647 00:33:49,128 --> 00:33:53,132 Columbia is a little more the stately older sister, 648 00:33:53,165 --> 00:33:58,170 and Ste. Claire has always been more of the 649 00:33:59,305 --> 00:34:01,140 party girl, younger sister. 650 00:34:01,173 --> 00:34:04,410 I am a historian and when I see something historic, 651 00:34:04,443 --> 00:34:07,045 I'd like to see it retain the history. 652 00:34:07,079 --> 00:34:10,482 And unfortunately, that doesn't exist for the Ste. Claire 653 00:34:10,516 --> 00:34:12,384 where it does for the Columbia. 654 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,922 They have taken off most of the historic parts of the ship. 655 00:34:17,956 --> 00:34:20,926 The pilot house was not in good shape 656 00:34:20,958 --> 00:34:22,960 and they immediately took that off. 657 00:34:22,994 --> 00:34:27,933 So she kinda has lost her top, which is sad. 658 00:34:27,966 --> 00:34:31,036 Maybe 'cause she's the younger sister it won't be so bad. 659 00:34:31,069 --> 00:34:34,139 (Lori chuckles) 660 00:34:34,172 --> 00:34:35,974 - There's only one man in my life, 661 00:34:36,007 --> 00:34:37,543 and many people will tell you that, 662 00:34:37,576 --> 00:34:39,077 that wanted this boat and coulda got it going 663 00:34:39,110 --> 00:34:40,112 is John Belko. 664 00:34:41,547 --> 00:34:42,981 To this day he's still the only man, 665 00:34:43,014 --> 00:34:44,882 he would do it again in a heartbeat. 666 00:34:44,916 --> 00:34:48,154 - I think that if John and Diane still had her, 667 00:34:48,187 --> 00:34:50,688 she'd be up and running. 668 00:34:50,722 --> 00:34:51,922 - Okay. 669 00:34:54,126 --> 00:34:56,695 This shot here is one of my favorite shots. 670 00:34:56,728 --> 00:35:01,733 It's very first day that I saw the Ste. Claire. 671 00:35:02,801 --> 00:35:04,270 Everything was in disarray. 672 00:35:04,303 --> 00:35:06,172 It just looked like she was like, forgotten 673 00:35:06,205 --> 00:35:09,541 - When John told me he first wanted to do a haunted ship, 674 00:35:10,609 --> 00:35:12,344 I said, "Okay, go find a boat." 675 00:35:12,378 --> 00:35:14,513 Not thinking he would. (Diane chuckles) 676 00:35:14,546 --> 00:35:15,781 - [Announcer] Two new bloody floors 677 00:35:15,814 --> 00:35:17,916 with 35-foot slides to hell. 678 00:35:17,949 --> 00:35:19,418 The nightmare is open. 679 00:35:19,451 --> 00:35:21,187 - [Diane] Building the Nautical Nightmare 680 00:35:21,220 --> 00:35:23,322 and bringing that to a reality was really a lotta fun. 681 00:35:24,756 --> 00:35:27,359 The folks that we hired were very good. 682 00:35:27,393 --> 00:35:29,161 - [Al] We would literally have 683 00:35:29,195 --> 00:35:33,365 hundreds of people lined up prior to the opening each night. 684 00:35:33,399 --> 00:35:35,534 - Scared someone so much on a drop portrait 685 00:35:35,567 --> 00:35:36,635 that they vomited. 686 00:35:38,003 --> 00:35:39,538 And I pulled 50 bucks outta my pocket, 687 00:35:39,571 --> 00:35:42,508 I said, "Here, I want you to do it again." 688 00:35:42,541 --> 00:35:46,111 - It was a ship that was essentially left for dead. 689 00:35:46,144 --> 00:35:48,980 So, by making the ship even more dead, 690 00:35:49,014 --> 00:35:53,319 we were able to raise funding to work on the restorations. 691 00:35:53,352 --> 00:35:55,721 - We had an incredible first year. 692 00:35:55,754 --> 00:35:57,323 - I think this was taken probably 693 00:35:57,356 --> 00:35:59,458 two years into the project. 694 00:35:59,491 --> 00:36:00,692 Now it looked like this. 695 00:36:02,494 --> 00:36:07,499 The Ste. Claire ran through my veins every single day. 696 00:36:09,601 --> 00:36:14,273 And I had the utmost interest in her success. 697 00:36:16,208 --> 00:36:18,310 - [Diane] He became very emotionally attached to that boat. 698 00:36:18,344 --> 00:36:19,845 (tense music) 699 00:36:19,878 --> 00:36:24,550 As he moved forward to do much more restoration 700 00:36:24,583 --> 00:36:28,220 than we ever agreed upon, and the bills started 701 00:36:28,254 --> 00:36:30,756 coming back to Cleveland where I was living, 702 00:36:30,789 --> 00:36:32,691 you know, I was looking at bankruptcy. 703 00:36:34,393 --> 00:36:38,330 The decisions just weren't financially prudent 704 00:36:38,364 --> 00:36:40,165 and hadn't been for quite some time. 705 00:36:41,967 --> 00:36:44,636 Yeah, and we were estranged, make no mistake about it. 706 00:36:46,004 --> 00:36:48,206 - I fell in love with that boat 707 00:36:49,641 --> 00:36:54,212 and made a lot of things happen with it. 708 00:36:56,047 --> 00:36:59,318 And on the other side of it is that I ended up losing a lot. 709 00:37:03,389 --> 00:37:05,891 She got the boat, she got the boat in the divorce, 710 00:37:07,626 --> 00:37:10,061 I got eliminated and knocked out of everything. 711 00:37:13,265 --> 00:37:18,236 - So, my high point, and I say this partially in jest, 712 00:37:20,038 --> 00:37:21,239 was when Ron said, "Yes, I'd like to buy the boat." 713 00:37:21,273 --> 00:37:23,875 (Diane laughs) 714 00:37:24,810 --> 00:37:27,078 (loud hiss from factory) 715 00:37:37,623 --> 00:37:39,024 - Yeah, obviously we sit right next to Praxair, 716 00:37:39,057 --> 00:37:41,259 it's an oxygen manufacturing plant. 717 00:37:42,328 --> 00:37:44,062 So, I can't do any work here. 718 00:37:45,631 --> 00:37:48,266 We've been looking for a place to move to 719 00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:50,802 for almost eight months. 720 00:37:50,836 --> 00:37:55,106 And it's hard to find a spot that's at least 16 feet deep, 721 00:37:55,140 --> 00:37:57,976 200 feet long to put her. 722 00:37:59,778 --> 00:38:03,048 The easy part, which is moving the boat somewhere, 723 00:38:03,081 --> 00:38:04,716 that's become my hard part. 724 00:38:04,750 --> 00:38:05,717 That's the problem. 725 00:38:12,558 --> 00:38:15,427 Unfortunately, you know, the way we're going about this 726 00:38:15,461 --> 00:38:18,730 I mean, it's just so hard because every spot that we find 727 00:38:18,764 --> 00:38:20,832 falls under the Department of Natural Resources, 728 00:38:20,866 --> 00:38:23,369 or it's industrial or it's Homeland Security. 729 00:38:23,402 --> 00:38:24,970 Let's reach out to the media 730 00:38:25,003 --> 00:38:27,072 and also focus on the Canadian side. 731 00:38:27,105 --> 00:38:29,575 All right, I'll give you a call in a little bit, okay? 732 00:38:31,810 --> 00:38:33,278 Here we go, News-Herald. 733 00:38:33,311 --> 00:38:34,145 Let's see. 734 00:38:41,186 --> 00:38:43,655 Hey Jim, sorry, this is Ron Kattoo again. 735 00:38:43,689 --> 00:38:45,557 How are you? 736 00:38:45,591 --> 00:38:47,092 The Ste. Claire, where we're sitting, she's right next to 737 00:38:47,125 --> 00:38:49,728 the Praxair oxygen manufacturing plant. 738 00:38:49,761 --> 00:38:52,097 Guess that entire canal shoreline, 739 00:38:52,130 --> 00:38:53,965 they're gonna be redoing. 740 00:38:53,999 --> 00:38:57,335 My biggest worry would be if we can't find a spot 741 00:38:57,369 --> 00:39:00,171 and they wanna start that work on the shoreline, 742 00:39:00,205 --> 00:39:03,442 I mean, I may have no option except to scrap her. 743 00:39:04,610 --> 00:39:05,611 Thanks Jim, bye-bye. 744 00:39:08,547 --> 00:39:10,348 Well, let's see what happens. 745 00:39:10,382 --> 00:39:14,185 Hopefully we'll get some response 746 00:39:14,219 --> 00:39:17,055 and find a place to put her. 747 00:39:18,957 --> 00:39:21,993 (pensive string music) 748 00:39:23,061 --> 00:39:24,195 - [Gloria] Boy that's busy. 749 00:39:27,232 --> 00:39:28,534 I like that rollercoaster. 750 00:39:31,770 --> 00:39:34,606 - You know, sometimes I think even though he's a doctor, 751 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,875 I think he got a little overwhelmed. 752 00:39:38,644 --> 00:39:40,345 You have everybody and their grandmother telling you 753 00:39:40,378 --> 00:39:42,714 and giving you advice and I don't think 754 00:39:42,748 --> 00:39:44,416 he knew which way to turn. 755 00:39:44,450 --> 00:39:46,317 - Well, that could be too, 756 00:39:46,351 --> 00:39:49,354 but you also have to look at the fact that he's a surgeon. 757 00:39:49,387 --> 00:39:52,758 He holds people's lives in his hands every day. 758 00:39:52,791 --> 00:39:56,795 - Right? - And he may have, 759 00:39:56,828 --> 00:40:00,632 you know, along the way inherited a God complex. 760 00:40:00,666 --> 00:40:02,434 - I mean, in the beginning, you know, I had my doubts too 761 00:40:02,468 --> 00:40:03,401 and still wonder. 762 00:40:05,236 --> 00:40:08,507 You know, in all reality, he's had people say that, 763 00:40:08,540 --> 00:40:11,910 you know, ask him if he wanted to sell the boat or whatever, 764 00:40:11,943 --> 00:40:13,411 and he doesn't. 765 00:40:13,445 --> 00:40:15,046 - I would like to live long enough 766 00:40:16,548 --> 00:40:18,249 to come on board the Ste. Claire 767 00:40:20,051 --> 00:40:22,854 and feel like I feel when I go on board the Columbia. 768 00:40:22,888 --> 00:40:24,923 - Right, yeah. 769 00:40:24,956 --> 00:40:26,925 - Like she's a happy ship. 770 00:40:26,958 --> 00:40:29,260 - If everything goes well. - Yeah. 771 00:40:29,294 --> 00:40:32,397 - That's why I'm hoping that, you know, 772 00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:35,233 Ron does make me a partner because I already told him, 773 00:40:35,266 --> 00:40:38,203 you know, basically I'll be living on that boat. 774 00:40:38,236 --> 00:40:39,771 You know, I'll make sure everything... 775 00:40:39,805 --> 00:40:41,807 I know what the people like, what they remember 776 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,408 and all that stuff. 777 00:40:43,441 --> 00:40:46,512 And you know, I can get 'em going. 778 00:40:50,081 --> 00:40:53,719 (magical music plays) 779 00:40:57,889 --> 00:41:01,827 - The situation with the Ste. Claire is beginning to go 780 00:41:01,860 --> 00:41:03,194 in a different direction. 781 00:41:05,831 --> 00:41:09,034 The seven of cups would indicate 782 00:41:09,067 --> 00:41:10,869 she will go in a different direction 783 00:41:10,902 --> 00:41:15,807 and the barrier will be removed if the right choice is made. 784 00:41:17,509 --> 00:41:21,747 I don't see scrapping, I see an intervention. 785 00:41:24,015 --> 00:41:24,883 That's what I see. 786 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,394 - You know, looking in this room, 787 00:41:36,427 --> 00:41:38,530 actually the majority of you have actually been on the boats 788 00:41:38,564 --> 00:41:40,098 longer than I have. 789 00:41:40,131 --> 00:41:42,233 This has not been an easy course. 790 00:41:42,267 --> 00:41:44,302 I had such a hard time just trying to get people 791 00:41:44,335 --> 00:41:48,239 to believe into the project and we got nowhere. 792 00:41:48,273 --> 00:41:51,843 And you know, I have my wife here and my two kids, 793 00:41:51,877 --> 00:41:54,012 you know, they have to suffer watching me all the time 794 00:41:54,045 --> 00:41:57,515 just driving down to the boat, working on the boat. 795 00:41:57,549 --> 00:42:00,085 You know, nobody wants to give up on the Boblo Boat. 796 00:42:00,118 --> 00:42:01,920 We're not going to give up on the boat. 797 00:42:01,953 --> 00:42:04,455 Jim was the one who actually got the word out for us. 798 00:42:04,489 --> 00:42:07,693 After we got that word out, The Free Press picked it up, 799 00:42:07,726 --> 00:42:10,028 the stations picked it up, and then now, 800 00:42:10,061 --> 00:42:11,830 we went from having no place to go 801 00:42:11,863 --> 00:42:13,832 to about 15 different offers that we got out there. 802 00:42:13,865 --> 00:42:16,134 We're getting calls from mayors of cities, 803 00:42:16,167 --> 00:42:17,569 (applause) (inspiration string music) 804 00:42:17,603 --> 00:42:20,271 private landowners, corporations. 805 00:42:20,305 --> 00:42:22,107 I mean, one guy made us an offer. 806 00:42:22,140 --> 00:42:23,642 He has 800 feet of dock space. 807 00:42:23,675 --> 00:42:25,376 He's gonna let us know on Tuesday. 808 00:42:25,410 --> 00:42:27,245 But he said, "Listen, if everything goes well on Tuesday, 809 00:42:27,278 --> 00:42:29,514 you guys can have that spot for $10 a month." 810 00:42:31,549 --> 00:42:32,984 - This is basically where we're gonna be 811 00:42:33,018 --> 00:42:34,552 parking the boat now. 812 00:42:34,586 --> 00:42:36,454 This is the Rouge River. 813 00:42:36,487 --> 00:42:39,324 That's Dick Street right behind us, the Dick Street Bridge. 814 00:42:39,357 --> 00:42:41,727 And like I said, we got a 200-some-foot boat 815 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,462 and we got a little over 200 feet to work with right here. 816 00:42:44,495 --> 00:42:45,831 But we got plenty of water. 817 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,603 - So, this move, finally getting here this day, 818 00:42:53,404 --> 00:42:55,206 I mean, that's just another step in the whole big process. 819 00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:57,275 You know, there's a thousand steps before she's done. 820 00:42:57,308 --> 00:42:59,811 This is step number, I don't know, 800. 821 00:42:59,845 --> 00:43:00,912 Yeah, we're getting there. 822 00:43:02,380 --> 00:43:05,016 (rousing music) 823 00:43:05,050 --> 00:43:07,252 (scraping metal cables) 824 00:43:10,355 --> 00:43:13,892 (rousing music continues) 825 00:43:22,033 --> 00:43:25,536 - [SS Columbia] My Claire, so filled with pride. 826 00:43:25,570 --> 00:43:28,439 If only your story could end here. 827 00:43:30,776 --> 00:43:34,012 You just take it one league at a time. 828 00:43:37,348 --> 00:43:40,118 Just moving again feels like you should be 829 00:43:40,151 --> 00:43:42,520 on the way to Boblo, doesn't it? 830 00:43:44,255 --> 00:43:48,760 We're not there yet, old gal, but this is a sunny day 831 00:43:48,794 --> 00:43:49,795 and we can pretend. 832 00:43:57,836 --> 00:44:01,606 (inspiring orchestral music) 833 00:44:12,050 --> 00:44:15,353 (playful music) 834 00:44:15,386 --> 00:44:17,188 - Here we go, buddy. 835 00:44:17,222 --> 00:44:18,656 You don't wanna scratch me, you don't wanna bite me. 836 00:44:18,690 --> 00:44:20,258 You don't wanna do any of that. 837 00:44:20,291 --> 00:44:21,592 You wanna keep your rabies to yourself. 838 00:44:22,861 --> 00:44:23,695 Come on, buddy. 839 00:44:26,064 --> 00:44:27,565 Come on, over here, come on. 840 00:44:27,598 --> 00:44:29,634 Go on, go on. 841 00:44:29,667 --> 00:44:30,501 There you go. 842 00:44:32,270 --> 00:44:34,005 Raccoon number three. 843 00:44:36,074 --> 00:44:38,443 No, all the public knows that we catch and release. 844 00:44:38,476 --> 00:44:39,644 We don't catch and kill. 845 00:44:41,079 --> 00:44:42,547 - Well, there's been a lotta changes 846 00:44:42,580 --> 00:44:44,182 since we moved here to River Rouge. 847 00:44:44,215 --> 00:44:47,819 Ski, Mike Lewinski, is no longer with project. 848 00:44:47,853 --> 00:44:51,156 It was kind of a mutual thing, we both just parted ways. 849 00:44:51,189 --> 00:44:54,826 And since then, Ron came to me in February 850 00:44:54,860 --> 00:44:57,062 and offered me a partnership. 851 00:44:57,095 --> 00:45:01,166 So, I am one of the partners now of the Ste. Claire. 852 00:45:01,199 --> 00:45:03,301 We now have an awesome crew. 853 00:45:03,334 --> 00:45:06,304 We got Rita, Samantha, 854 00:45:06,337 --> 00:45:09,307 the welders, and Stephen here, Stephen is the best man. 855 00:45:09,340 --> 00:45:11,676 He is running everything on this ship. 856 00:45:11,709 --> 00:45:13,578 He's in charge of everybody. 857 00:45:13,611 --> 00:45:15,781 And not only is he boss, but he takes the guys out 858 00:45:15,814 --> 00:45:17,415 for field trips and everything else. 859 00:45:17,448 --> 00:45:19,885 So, you know, everybody just loves him. 860 00:45:19,918 --> 00:45:22,888 - Well, we did like Heidelberg project once. 861 00:45:22,921 --> 00:45:25,090 We did Kevin's pool once. 862 00:45:26,524 --> 00:45:28,093 We got the Renaissance Festival coming up. 863 00:45:30,495 --> 00:45:32,998 You know, it's important that when you, you know, 864 00:45:33,031 --> 00:45:35,066 work together that you play together too. 865 00:45:38,169 --> 00:45:40,405 We decided this will be a great opportunity 866 00:45:40,438 --> 00:45:42,607 for us to hear what the public has been saying 867 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,343 and that's that they wanna see some work on the outside. 868 00:45:49,514 --> 00:45:51,416 In a minute here or two, we're gonna be 869 00:45:51,449 --> 00:45:54,085 loading up this steel and getting all the scrap steel 870 00:45:54,119 --> 00:45:55,620 that you see. 871 00:45:55,653 --> 00:45:57,622 These are pieces of the Ste. Claire 872 00:45:57,655 --> 00:45:59,825 that we've had to cut out that were too deteriorated 873 00:45:59,858 --> 00:46:02,493 and we put in fresh metal and we're gonna send them off 874 00:46:02,527 --> 00:46:05,496 to be recycled and turned into something else. 875 00:46:05,530 --> 00:46:07,065 This boat has deteriorated 876 00:46:07,098 --> 00:46:09,868 because steps like this weren't taken. 877 00:46:09,901 --> 00:46:12,670 (electric spray painter) 878 00:46:15,306 --> 00:46:17,075 (demolition noise) 879 00:46:18,877 --> 00:46:21,679 - [SS Columbia] If Claire's steel and wood are replaced, 880 00:46:21,712 --> 00:46:25,450 plank after rotten plank until not a single, 881 00:46:25,483 --> 00:46:29,955 original beam remains, is she still my sister? 882 00:46:35,827 --> 00:46:38,997 (soft tinkling music) 883 00:46:44,169 --> 00:46:46,704 - When I got aboard, I thought she was probably 884 00:46:46,737 --> 00:46:49,507 gonna say something smart like, "It's about time." 885 00:46:51,542 --> 00:46:53,111 And she moved me to tears. 886 00:46:53,144 --> 00:46:55,480 She said, "Welcome aboard, dear friend." 887 00:46:56,614 --> 00:46:59,784 (soft tinkling music) 888 00:47:11,729 --> 00:47:14,499 She's telling me I have to be around to get to New York 889 00:47:14,532 --> 00:47:16,001 when she's on the river there. 890 00:47:20,371 --> 00:47:24,943 And I'm telling her, unlike her, I keep getting older, 891 00:47:24,976 --> 00:47:28,646 she's getting younger. (Gloria chuckles) 892 00:47:30,015 --> 00:47:30,848 Yep. 893 00:47:32,583 --> 00:47:35,186 I'm sad to see her go, 894 00:47:37,055 --> 00:47:39,224 but happy that she'll have a new life. 895 00:47:43,661 --> 00:47:46,197 - [SS Columbia] The time has come for me to leave. 896 00:47:49,867 --> 00:47:52,770 It's the beginning of a new life for me. 897 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,409 - The old Taurus herself, the grand dame, 898 00:47:58,443 --> 00:48:03,381 she is not about to give up as long as there's hope 899 00:48:03,414 --> 00:48:05,650 for her to get back to work. 900 00:48:07,818 --> 00:48:10,989 (soft relaxing music) 901 00:48:14,659 --> 00:48:16,261 - [SS Columbia] It wasn't but a few months 902 00:48:16,294 --> 00:48:17,963 from when I left Michigan 903 00:48:17,996 --> 00:48:20,698 that I learned of Gloria's own departure. 904 00:48:23,101 --> 00:48:25,303 Bon voyage, old friend. 905 00:48:27,905 --> 00:48:31,076 From time to time I like to imagine 906 00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:33,244 I can still hear her voice, 907 00:48:34,712 --> 00:48:39,717 only she sounds different now. Closer. 908 00:48:41,286 --> 00:48:44,222 (melancholy music) 909 00:48:57,402 --> 00:48:59,937 (gulls squawk) 910 00:49:02,907 --> 00:49:05,510 (drill buzzes) 911 00:49:08,279 --> 00:49:11,882 - So, as it turns out, we do have to move the ship again. 912 00:49:13,551 --> 00:49:17,422 We don't have a new location set as of right now 913 00:49:17,455 --> 00:49:18,423 to share with you. 914 00:49:20,125 --> 00:49:22,427 But we do know that we are going to have to move. 915 00:49:23,861 --> 00:49:25,496 The reason we're getting kicked out 916 00:49:25,530 --> 00:49:27,032 is 'cause there's a larger company out there 917 00:49:27,065 --> 00:49:28,833 that wants the property. 918 00:49:28,866 --> 00:49:33,404 They're willing to pay $100,000 a month, in that range, 919 00:49:33,438 --> 00:49:35,073 which obviously, you know, we can't do that. 920 00:49:35,106 --> 00:49:36,941 And we can't compete with that. 921 00:49:36,974 --> 00:49:38,809 I mean, you know, hey, if somebody came and offered me 922 00:49:38,843 --> 00:49:40,945 a hundred grand a month, I'd be like, "See you boat. 923 00:49:40,978 --> 00:49:43,348 You know, you're really cool, but." 924 00:49:43,381 --> 00:49:47,085 And I get that, you know, that just is what it is, you know. 925 00:49:47,118 --> 00:49:48,686 So, we're gonna figure it out. 926 00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:50,921 We're gonna truck on like we always have. 927 00:49:50,955 --> 00:49:52,590 I mean, I know that's how I feel. 928 00:49:59,064 --> 00:50:02,733 - I wanted to believe so bad that this boat was coming back. 929 00:50:04,135 --> 00:50:07,305 How many people do you think back in 1910 930 00:50:07,338 --> 00:50:09,607 that they had to build this ship? 931 00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,442 It's gonna take a hell of a lot more, 932 00:50:11,476 --> 00:50:13,078 I know he wants to save money. 933 00:50:13,111 --> 00:50:14,945 I mean, who wouldn't? 934 00:50:14,979 --> 00:50:17,014 But it's gonna take a hell of a lot more than three people 935 00:50:17,048 --> 00:50:18,883 to rebuild this ship. 936 00:50:18,916 --> 00:50:21,519 I mean, if you think about it, if they do this section, 937 00:50:21,552 --> 00:50:23,754 get that part done and move on to the next, 938 00:50:23,788 --> 00:50:25,756 by the time they're done with the next, 939 00:50:25,790 --> 00:50:28,959 this section's gonna need rebuilding again, you know. 940 00:50:28,993 --> 00:50:31,862 I mean, he is the kinda person that he can make you believe 941 00:50:31,896 --> 00:50:33,464 the sky is purple. 942 00:50:39,337 --> 00:50:41,506 - Boblo Island here we come. - Yeah, right. 943 00:50:42,807 --> 00:50:45,476 - Just teasing. - That's one place, no. 944 00:50:45,510 --> 00:50:47,878 You'd have to pull over and let me out. (Jeff laughing) 945 00:50:47,912 --> 00:50:49,914 (boat engine revs) 946 00:51:01,359 --> 00:51:03,861 See, this is the same route we took. 947 00:51:03,894 --> 00:51:05,363 Brings back memories. 948 00:51:11,769 --> 00:51:13,738 We are at Sugar Island. 949 00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,509 We think that might have been the dock right there. 950 00:51:24,182 --> 00:51:25,750 - [Jeff] Is that this side of the island? 951 00:51:25,783 --> 00:51:29,120 - Yeah, that's Boblo, that's the Space Needle. 952 00:51:35,226 --> 00:51:37,462 (boat engine revs) 953 00:51:52,277 --> 00:51:53,211 - You okay? 954 00:51:56,947 --> 00:52:00,050 - Well, it's just sad memories, 955 00:52:00,084 --> 00:52:03,321 you know, I mean, I remember what the island was 956 00:52:03,354 --> 00:52:05,623 and seeing all the rides laying all over the ground, 957 00:52:05,656 --> 00:52:07,692 I just, you know, I don't wanna see that. 958 00:52:10,060 --> 00:52:12,663 Those houses should not have been put on that island. 959 00:52:13,998 --> 00:52:15,900 It should have remained for the public. 960 00:52:17,668 --> 00:52:18,936 - What's the difference? - I don't wanna see it now. 961 00:52:18,969 --> 00:52:20,238 - Oh. - You know what? 962 00:52:22,006 --> 00:52:23,674 Never mind, in a minute, you're going in that river. 963 00:52:23,708 --> 00:52:25,543 Then you're gonna get something really good to watch. 964 00:52:25,576 --> 00:52:29,280 - If the Boblo Park reopened, would you go see the park? 965 00:52:29,314 --> 00:52:30,881 - Oh yeah, if it reopened. 966 00:52:30,915 --> 00:52:33,651 - Okay, so that's not off the table. 967 00:52:40,725 --> 00:52:43,894 (soft tinkling music) 968 00:52:46,597 --> 00:52:50,235 - [SS Columbia] I've been dragging my rudders up to now. 969 00:52:50,268 --> 00:52:54,872 But you must hear the story about the end of Boblo Island. 970 00:52:58,209 --> 00:53:00,010 - So many of these trolley parks, 971 00:53:00,044 --> 00:53:04,782 these older amusement parks by say, 1974, 1975, 972 00:53:04,815 --> 00:53:07,084 the majority of them had already closed. 973 00:53:08,319 --> 00:53:10,221 There's theme parks. 974 00:53:10,255 --> 00:53:12,623 Those theme parks work on an economic model 975 00:53:12,657 --> 00:53:15,526 that's much more effective and profitable. 976 00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,728 You are cutting off city dwellers, 977 00:53:17,762 --> 00:53:19,630 who don't have access to private cars, 978 00:53:19,664 --> 00:53:22,533 so, you're ensuring a kind of population in those parks 979 00:53:22,567 --> 00:53:24,902 that has some money to spend. 980 00:53:24,935 --> 00:53:28,673 They're also kind of created without the kinds of spaces 981 00:53:28,706 --> 00:53:30,475 that cause tension. 982 00:53:30,508 --> 00:53:33,978 So, Walt Disney had no swimming pools, no bathing beaches, 983 00:53:34,011 --> 00:53:36,414 no roller skating rinks, and no ballrooms 984 00:53:36,447 --> 00:53:38,249 in any of his theme parks. 985 00:53:38,283 --> 00:53:40,518 These were places where blacks and whites 986 00:53:40,551 --> 00:53:42,287 would come into conflict. 987 00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,589 So, the older, more traditional amusement park 988 00:53:44,622 --> 00:53:46,491 already had a lot of strikes against it 989 00:53:46,524 --> 00:53:49,494 with this history of segregation and desegregation, 990 00:53:49,527 --> 00:53:51,529 but now they had this competition. 991 00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:55,132 What many of these park owners began to realize 992 00:53:55,165 --> 00:53:58,135 is that this land was actually quite valuable. 993 00:53:58,168 --> 00:54:00,505 It was near the city, and often park owners 994 00:54:00,538 --> 00:54:03,908 could sell the land to developers at quite a big profit. 995 00:54:03,941 --> 00:54:06,076 So, city after city after city 996 00:54:06,110 --> 00:54:08,346 lost their urban amusement parks. 997 00:54:09,947 --> 00:54:12,683 (melancholy music) (structure crashing) 998 00:54:12,717 --> 00:54:14,752 All the people in those cities 999 00:54:14,785 --> 00:54:18,088 lost access to this relatively inexpensive, 1000 00:54:18,122 --> 00:54:21,459 incredibly pleasurable form of recreation. 1001 00:54:25,496 --> 00:54:26,931 - [SS Columbia] That does sound like 1002 00:54:26,964 --> 00:54:29,867 what happened to our Boblo. 1003 00:54:29,900 --> 00:54:34,238 Some claim gangs cruising the park scared away the patrons, 1004 00:54:34,271 --> 00:54:36,240 others blamed Claire and me, 1005 00:54:36,273 --> 00:54:40,545 saying we were just a luxury too costly to maintain. 1006 00:54:40,578 --> 00:54:43,681 (pensive piano music) 1007 00:54:43,714 --> 00:54:47,017 But Claire and I know the real story. 1008 00:54:52,222 --> 00:54:54,325 - When we closed the deal for Boblo, 1009 00:54:54,359 --> 00:54:56,794 we only had 45 days to get it open. 1010 00:54:56,827 --> 00:54:59,564 They had not intended to operate that year. 1011 00:54:59,597 --> 00:55:00,631 They'd mothballed it. 1012 00:55:02,299 --> 00:55:04,602 This park, Wild Waves, where we're at today 1013 00:55:04,635 --> 00:55:07,972 is a piece a cake compared to operating on an island. 1014 00:55:08,005 --> 00:55:11,976 Everything you did had to be brought in by barge or by ship. 1015 00:55:12,009 --> 00:55:14,412 And to do that in 45 days can't be done. 1016 00:55:14,445 --> 00:55:15,980 I don't know how we did it. 1017 00:55:16,013 --> 00:55:17,915 Like, today I'd say no. 1018 00:55:17,948 --> 00:55:20,418 But we were too stupid to know better so we did it. 1019 00:55:20,451 --> 00:55:22,219 (water slide splashes) 1020 00:55:22,252 --> 00:55:24,088 In the business community, yes, everybody knew 1021 00:55:24,121 --> 00:55:28,593 who the Benaroyas were because of Benaroya Symphony Hall 1022 00:55:28,626 --> 00:55:32,162 and a lot of philanthropic work that they did. 1023 00:55:32,196 --> 00:55:34,765 They agreed to make the investment, 1024 00:55:34,799 --> 00:55:37,034 but wanted to also be a partner. 1025 00:55:37,067 --> 00:55:39,136 You know, at that time I didn't have any problems with that. 1026 00:55:39,169 --> 00:55:41,105 There's money and then there's money. 1027 00:55:41,138 --> 00:55:43,441 (pensive string music) (amusement park ambience) 1028 00:55:43,474 --> 00:55:46,377 I always wore just a pirate shirt and pair of shorts 1029 00:55:46,411 --> 00:55:49,046 and nobody knew who I was. 1030 00:55:49,079 --> 00:55:50,781 And I'd start asking 'em questions about like, 1031 00:55:50,815 --> 00:55:52,717 "Hey, the park's looking good." 1032 00:55:52,750 --> 00:55:54,819 And they'd give you a whole, "We heard it got cleaned up 1033 00:55:54,852 --> 00:55:56,353 and boy it sure is. 1034 00:55:56,387 --> 00:55:57,855 It looks the best we've seen it." 1035 00:55:57,888 --> 00:55:59,724 And once you start hearing that every day 1036 00:55:59,757 --> 00:56:01,959 and the word got out, the crowds started getting bigger. 1037 00:56:01,992 --> 00:56:05,262 And by about August, Boblo has finally turned the corner 1038 00:56:05,295 --> 00:56:06,764 and the locals that hadn't come 1039 00:56:06,797 --> 00:56:08,399 were all of a sudden coming back. 1040 00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,269 I think they were used to when the Benaroyas said, "Jump," 1041 00:56:12,302 --> 00:56:15,272 you were just supposed to say, "How high?" And I didn't. 1042 00:56:17,041 --> 00:56:20,244 Larry was a good business guy, but he's never run a park. 1043 00:56:20,277 --> 00:56:22,480 He wasn't a hands-on, he'd never been a builder. 1044 00:56:22,513 --> 00:56:24,482 He and I just started not getting along. 1045 00:56:24,515 --> 00:56:26,551 (tense string music) 1046 00:56:26,584 --> 00:56:28,385 The Benaroyas tried to stop me 1047 00:56:28,419 --> 00:56:32,022 from having the extended season because they wanted me out. 1048 00:56:32,056 --> 00:56:34,224 It takes time to bring in new investors, 1049 00:56:34,258 --> 00:56:37,094 but I had a pool of investors that I had lined up 1050 00:56:37,127 --> 00:56:39,830 and I was actually supposed to meet with them 1051 00:56:40,931 --> 00:56:42,533 the morning that I got hurt. 1052 00:56:46,203 --> 00:56:48,372 September 24th, '93, I think. 1053 00:56:48,405 --> 00:56:52,677 I was in the car crash that basically almost, 1054 00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:53,844 should have killed me. 1055 00:56:53,878 --> 00:56:54,979 They didn't think I'd survive. 1056 00:56:55,012 --> 00:56:57,848 (melancholy music) 1057 00:56:57,882 --> 00:57:00,818 When I woke up from the coma, I was ready to move forward. 1058 00:57:00,851 --> 00:57:03,988 And then I found out a lot of the stuff 1059 00:57:04,021 --> 00:57:06,023 that had happened to the park 1060 00:57:06,056 --> 00:57:08,459 and that Benaroyas had taken control of it 1061 00:57:08,493 --> 00:57:13,397 and put it into bankruptcy and that they'd laid off, 1062 00:57:15,533 --> 00:57:17,067 I think everybody at that point. 1063 00:57:17,101 --> 00:57:21,138 They'd fired everybody and shut the park down. 1064 00:57:25,943 --> 00:57:28,613 They'd sold off all the rides, all the equipment. 1065 00:57:28,646 --> 00:57:31,315 The only thing that was left was the land. 1066 00:57:31,348 --> 00:57:33,651 And they sold it to a gentleman that, 1067 00:57:33,684 --> 00:57:36,020 he got a steal on the land 1068 00:57:36,053 --> 00:57:38,989 because if the Benaroyas sold it for more than that 1069 00:57:39,023 --> 00:57:42,627 they'd have to give my family a share of the profits. 1070 00:57:46,330 --> 00:57:51,335 It's unfortunate, just one accident and one bad partner 1071 00:57:52,436 --> 00:57:53,504 and Boblo paid the price. 1072 00:57:54,505 --> 00:57:57,675 (soft tinkling music) 1073 00:58:07,284 --> 00:58:09,620 - You know, my hope and prayer is that one day 1074 00:58:09,654 --> 00:58:12,690 we find a spot, whether it's the city that gives it to us 1075 00:58:12,723 --> 00:58:15,225 or a person, but just a long-term relationship. 1076 00:58:15,259 --> 00:58:16,894 Somewhere we can put the boat 1077 00:58:16,927 --> 00:58:19,196 and have what we need to complete the project. 1078 00:58:23,601 --> 00:58:26,070 Push comes to shove, we've got no options, 1079 00:58:26,103 --> 00:58:28,839 and they want us out and we got nowhere to go. 1080 00:58:28,873 --> 00:58:31,942 I mean, this is like the equivalent of like, 1081 00:58:31,976 --> 00:58:33,944 towing someone a mile on the road. 1082 00:58:33,978 --> 00:58:35,846 You know what I mean? 1083 00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:37,347 It's like right up from where we're at right now. 1084 00:58:37,381 --> 00:58:38,683 - So, where, have you made a decision 1085 00:58:38,716 --> 00:58:40,084 where you're gonna park it at? 1086 00:58:40,117 --> 00:58:41,586 - No, we're still looking. 1087 00:58:41,619 --> 00:58:42,953 We're still kinda figuring things out. 1088 00:58:46,724 --> 00:58:47,558 - Good morning. 1089 00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:51,028 Want some coffee? 1090 00:58:53,330 --> 00:58:54,198 What's the matter? 1091 00:58:56,233 --> 00:58:58,168 Come on. 1092 00:58:58,202 --> 00:59:01,906 Wee! (bird squawks) 1093 00:59:01,939 --> 00:59:05,142 Wee! (bird squawks) 1094 00:59:05,175 --> 00:59:06,010 Wee! 1095 00:59:08,245 --> 00:59:11,515 (video game music) 1096 00:59:13,250 --> 00:59:17,554 Off to sell Spectrum cable and talk about the Boblo Boat. 1097 00:59:17,588 --> 00:59:20,524 Even though every time I bring it up, Kevin wants to hit me. 1098 00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:23,594 Right, Kevin? 1099 00:59:27,865 --> 00:59:30,735 Anyway, we still have the passion for the boat, 1100 00:59:30,768 --> 00:59:34,238 we just lost our trust with, unfortunately with Ron, 1101 00:59:34,271 --> 00:59:36,040 I really liked him in the beginning. 1102 00:59:36,073 --> 00:59:38,442 Just, I saw the writing on the wall. 1103 00:59:40,778 --> 00:59:43,648 - It's a lot of broken promises and everything else 1104 00:59:43,681 --> 00:59:46,383 that enough is enough, you know. 1105 00:59:48,085 --> 00:59:49,987 Ron has been like a brother to me this whole time. 1106 00:59:50,020 --> 00:59:53,090 You know, not just a best friend, he's part of the family. 1107 00:59:55,793 --> 00:59:57,962 It's been eight years of nothing but 1108 00:59:57,995 --> 01:00:00,064 a total rollercoaster ride, you know, 1109 01:00:00,097 --> 01:00:03,634 and I'm starting to think that maybe it's time to get off. 1110 01:00:03,668 --> 01:00:06,871 - I just need to get 200 feet of space 1111 01:00:06,904 --> 01:00:08,806 that's all I'm looking for. 1112 01:00:08,839 --> 01:00:12,209 I know that sounds crazy. It's almost like saying, well, 1113 01:00:12,242 --> 01:00:14,144 you know, it's almost like begging, 1114 01:00:14,178 --> 01:00:16,413 but without that 200 feet of space, we can't go on. 1115 01:00:20,584 --> 01:00:23,587 (soft piano music) 1116 01:00:30,394 --> 01:00:32,963 - Today, we gather here to bless the Ste. Claire 1117 01:00:32,997 --> 01:00:35,399 more than 100 years after she first sailed 1118 01:00:35,432 --> 01:00:36,500 the Great Lakes. 1119 01:00:38,669 --> 01:00:41,305 I'm gonna ask that you all close your eyes 1120 01:00:42,773 --> 01:00:46,977 and envision first a new home for her, 1121 01:00:47,011 --> 01:00:49,847 someplace welcoming and safe. 1122 01:00:52,016 --> 01:00:55,585 I ask you to envision her not too many years from now, 1123 01:00:55,619 --> 01:00:58,555 her white paint bright in the sunshine, 1124 01:00:58,588 --> 01:01:00,490 her flags blowing in the breeze 1125 01:01:00,524 --> 01:01:02,292 and her decks filled with people 1126 01:01:02,326 --> 01:01:05,195 enjoying an afternoon on the water. 1127 01:01:05,229 --> 01:01:07,765 Maybe you can even hear the seagulls crying 1128 01:01:07,798 --> 01:01:10,100 as they dive to catch pieces of popcorn 1129 01:01:10,134 --> 01:01:12,803 that children toss to them from the side of the boat. 1130 01:01:15,605 --> 01:01:17,674 This can be the Ste. Claire's future 1131 01:01:17,708 --> 01:01:20,344 and tonight we will it to be so. 1132 01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:27,084 A blessing on the Ste. Claire and a blessing on you all. 1133 01:01:30,687 --> 01:01:32,456 - I don't know what more we could do. 1134 01:01:32,489 --> 01:01:35,192 I mean, we've been in the papers, we've been in, you know, 1135 01:01:35,225 --> 01:01:36,693 every media outlet there is. 1136 01:01:36,727 --> 01:01:40,697 So, it just needs somebody to step up. 1137 01:01:40,731 --> 01:01:42,800 - How can people get in touch with you? 1138 01:01:42,833 --> 01:01:44,401 If somebody's watching this 1139 01:01:44,434 --> 01:01:45,736 and they've actually got some kind of dock space, 1140 01:01:45,770 --> 01:01:46,904 what do they do? 1141 01:01:46,937 --> 01:01:48,739 - They can go to our website... 1142 01:01:48,773 --> 01:01:50,307 I mean, we're down to the wire, 1143 01:01:50,340 --> 01:01:51,842 but we're getting calls every day 1144 01:01:51,876 --> 01:01:54,044 from the people that own that property, 1145 01:01:54,078 --> 01:01:57,681 you know, and they were generous enough to donate it to us. 1146 01:01:57,714 --> 01:02:00,317 So, we really have to honor their wishes 1147 01:02:00,350 --> 01:02:01,919 in getting out of there in time. 1148 01:02:04,288 --> 01:02:07,291 - [SS Columbia] At the 11th hour, a marina stepped forward 1149 01:02:07,324 --> 01:02:09,559 and offered us space for Claire. 1150 01:02:10,961 --> 01:02:13,497 (hopeful string music) 1151 01:02:13,530 --> 01:02:15,699 For the first time in decades, 1152 01:02:15,732 --> 01:02:19,369 she sailed back to her home in Detroit. 1153 01:02:19,403 --> 01:02:22,840 And with a view of the city skyline behind her, 1154 01:02:22,873 --> 01:02:25,209 her crew got back to work. 1155 01:02:27,812 --> 01:02:30,915 If this was your classic bedtime story, 1156 01:02:30,948 --> 01:02:33,750 we'd be heading toward a happy ending. 1157 01:02:35,552 --> 01:02:39,056 A wizard or even a fairy godmother might arrive 1158 01:02:39,089 --> 01:02:40,690 from some far away land. 1159 01:02:42,526 --> 01:02:47,131 She would step on Claire's decks, wave her magic wand 1160 01:02:48,532 --> 01:02:50,234 and poof, the curse would be lifted. 1161 01:02:51,735 --> 01:02:53,804 But this isn't that kind of fairy tale. 1162 01:02:56,506 --> 01:02:59,776 (explosion) 1163 01:03:04,614 --> 01:03:07,818 (flames crackle) 1164 01:03:08,919 --> 01:03:11,922 (soft orchestral music) 1165 01:03:18,963 --> 01:03:21,866 (seagulls squawking) 1166 01:03:29,573 --> 01:03:32,676 - [Ron] All the work we had put into her just gone. 1167 01:03:34,845 --> 01:03:36,246 I didn't know what to do. 1168 01:03:37,948 --> 01:03:42,786 I was emotionally just wrecked. 1169 01:03:44,354 --> 01:03:46,556 - [Kevin] I kinda feel the boat relied on me 1170 01:03:48,292 --> 01:03:50,394 and I couldn't save her. 1171 01:03:53,463 --> 01:03:54,264 - All right? 1172 01:03:58,602 --> 01:04:00,170 It's just the saddest thing, 1173 01:04:00,204 --> 01:04:04,441 knowing that a boat that we love so much 1174 01:04:04,474 --> 01:04:08,378 and worked on for so many years is no longer here. 1175 01:04:08,412 --> 01:04:11,581 You know, it's there, but I'm just- 1176 01:04:11,615 --> 01:04:13,450 - It was dead a long time ago. 1177 01:04:13,483 --> 01:04:16,053 You could feel the spirit when you walked on the boat. 1178 01:04:17,554 --> 01:04:19,023 The last few times there was none. 1179 01:04:19,056 --> 01:04:21,458 It was like she already gave up, she was dead, 1180 01:04:22,893 --> 01:04:25,029 or she knew she was dying or whatever. 1181 01:04:25,062 --> 01:04:27,664 It just did not have that feeling anymore. 1182 01:04:27,697 --> 01:04:29,533 - I think it started when the Columbia left too. 1183 01:04:29,566 --> 01:04:30,800 - Right around that time. 1184 01:04:32,602 --> 01:04:35,672 The one thing I do want is I want them to find out 1185 01:04:35,705 --> 01:04:36,974 what caused it. 1186 01:04:38,442 --> 01:04:41,811 And if it was arson, I want that person to pay 1187 01:04:44,448 --> 01:04:47,884 because this boat was all we had left. 1188 01:04:47,918 --> 01:04:50,587 - Of course, the arson inspectors came in and, you know, 1189 01:04:50,620 --> 01:04:53,457 like, you know, just detailed grilling us 1190 01:04:53,490 --> 01:04:55,359 about what happened. 1191 01:04:55,392 --> 01:04:57,227 I'm like, "I don't know what happened, I wasn't there." 1192 01:04:57,261 --> 01:04:58,762 I mean there's the guy, he's telling you what happened. 1193 01:04:58,795 --> 01:05:01,198 He was welding, you know, the fire started 1194 01:05:01,231 --> 01:05:02,732 and it got outta control. 1195 01:05:04,601 --> 01:05:08,772 People don't understand, the wood was not insured, okay? 1196 01:05:08,805 --> 01:05:11,808 Because I couldn't get insurance for wood that old. 1197 01:05:11,841 --> 01:05:16,846 The hull was, and the engine, that was all insured. 1198 01:05:18,282 --> 01:05:18,815 But there was no damage to the hull. 1199 01:05:20,484 --> 01:05:22,319 What I lost was all the wood. 1200 01:05:22,352 --> 01:05:25,222 I mean, there are a lot of people, you know, who, 1201 01:05:25,255 --> 01:05:27,457 they may have not said it to my face, 1202 01:05:27,491 --> 01:05:30,995 but I'm, you know, I'm not stupid. 1203 01:05:31,028 --> 01:05:35,632 I know the people who gave up and that's fine. 1204 01:05:37,434 --> 01:05:39,236 - I'm just thinking maybe, I'm just hope, I'm an optimist, 1205 01:05:39,269 --> 01:05:42,572 and I'm thinking maybe we can rebuild the boat. 1206 01:05:44,074 --> 01:05:45,709 Not this boat, but build a new boat. 1207 01:05:45,742 --> 01:05:47,244 - He's a dreamer. 1208 01:05:47,277 --> 01:05:49,946 - 1902, they were able to build a boat. 1209 01:05:51,715 --> 01:05:53,250 - It's a great idea. I think it's, you know what? 1210 01:05:53,283 --> 01:05:56,653 At this point in my life, I'm 55, 1211 01:05:57,721 --> 01:06:00,357 I need to start enjoying life 1212 01:06:00,390 --> 01:06:02,726 and I think it's time to move on. 1213 01:06:04,294 --> 01:06:05,895 I want it to be done. 1214 01:06:07,564 --> 01:06:09,933 The rollercoaster has finally come into the station. 1215 01:06:13,003 --> 01:06:15,939 (melancholy music) 1216 01:06:20,910 --> 01:06:25,482 (amusement park rides) 1217 01:06:25,515 --> 01:06:28,052 - [SS Columbia] Intoxicated with nostalgia, 1218 01:06:28,085 --> 01:06:31,188 even our memory tends to forget. 1219 01:06:31,221 --> 01:06:35,792 * Back in the day we used to go and catch a boat to Boblo * 1220 01:06:35,825 --> 01:06:37,327 * And steam the river... 1221 01:06:37,361 --> 01:06:39,463 - [SS Columbia] This past belongs to us all, 1222 01:06:39,496 --> 01:06:42,299 buried and yet still breathing. 1223 01:06:42,332 --> 01:06:44,568 - [Reporter] The city filing for bankruptcy. 1224 01:06:44,601 --> 01:06:48,705 * And you could ride up high or low on the way to Boblo * 1225 01:06:48,738 --> 01:06:51,808 * Hot dogs and funnel cakes better on that Boblo * 1226 01:06:51,841 --> 01:06:54,878 * Giddy feelings when you hear that ferry horn blow * 1227 01:06:54,911 --> 01:06:57,947 * It was a fantasy on the other side of history * (crowd yelling) 1228 01:06:57,981 --> 01:06:59,149 * The land of milk and honey 1229 01:06:59,183 --> 01:07:01,585 * Flowing with the mystery 1230 01:07:01,618 --> 01:07:03,687 * Ferris wheels and popcorn meals would give every kid * (crowd yelling) 1231 01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:06,856 * a big smile 1232 01:07:08,258 --> 01:07:11,528 - [SS Columbia] We must remember it all, 1233 01:07:11,561 --> 01:07:13,630 even though it hurts. 1234 01:07:16,933 --> 01:07:20,770 Claire, how about a race for old-times sake? 1235 01:07:23,907 --> 01:07:27,111 (melancholy music) 1236 01:07:27,144 --> 01:07:30,547 (crowd cheering) 1237 01:07:32,182 --> 01:07:35,952 (melancholy music continues) 1238 01:07:42,126 --> 01:07:45,862 (slow piano music) 1239 01:07:53,537 --> 01:07:56,806 Humankind preserves and restores history 1240 01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:58,575 in an attempt to freeze time. 1241 01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:06,883 (electronic whirring) 1242 01:08:08,418 --> 01:08:10,120 They hope against the laws of nature 1243 01:08:10,154 --> 01:08:12,456 that if my decks gleam like they did 1244 01:08:12,489 --> 01:08:15,959 when they were children, that their past is still alive. 1245 01:08:20,496 --> 01:08:24,000 I am a vessel made from the memories 1246 01:08:24,032 --> 01:08:27,937 of everyone who boarded the Boblo Boats. 1247 01:08:27,970 --> 01:08:31,608 (bitter-sweet music) (birds chirping) 1248 01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:35,011 It's hard to go on after what happened to Claire. 1249 01:08:36,813 --> 01:08:39,716 (melancholy music) 1250 01:08:44,987 --> 01:08:48,692 - Not a day goes by that I don't think about what we lost, 1251 01:08:48,725 --> 01:08:51,161 the foyer and the staircase and all that beautiful brass 1252 01:08:51,194 --> 01:08:52,094 that was on there. 1253 01:08:53,197 --> 01:08:54,997 But you know, what can I do? 1254 01:08:55,031 --> 01:08:56,800 You know, it is what it is, I can't go back in time. 1255 01:08:56,833 --> 01:09:00,603 All I can do is push forward and just, you know, 1256 01:09:00,637 --> 01:09:01,905 do the best I can do. 1257 01:09:03,639 --> 01:09:05,575 Yeah, I mean, I beat stage four bladder cancer. 1258 01:09:05,609 --> 01:09:06,910 I beat a brain tumor. 1259 01:09:08,312 --> 01:09:10,647 You know, I had my left kidney taken out, 1260 01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:15,684 chemotherapy for six months, you know, I mean, you know, 1261 01:09:17,321 --> 01:09:18,688 what's fixing a boat compared to all that? Nothing. 1262 01:09:18,721 --> 01:09:20,523 (playing guitar) 1263 01:09:20,557 --> 01:09:22,658 I have my wife, I got my two kids, 1264 01:09:24,428 --> 01:09:26,663 I have the people who still support me in the project. 1265 01:09:26,696 --> 01:09:28,932 That's it, that's all I need. 1266 01:09:33,503 --> 01:09:37,005 - Well, after the boat burned on July 6th, 1267 01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:41,144 Wendy Sutton kept writing to me on our Facebook group 1268 01:09:41,176 --> 01:09:42,879 'cause she was asking who had the bear costume 1269 01:09:42,912 --> 01:09:44,814 and I told her I had one of 'em, 1270 01:09:44,848 --> 01:09:46,350 but I wasn't willing to come to the island and all that. 1271 01:09:46,383 --> 01:09:48,117 That's when she started telling me 1272 01:09:48,151 --> 01:09:52,356 about their plans for the future and you know, 1273 01:09:52,389 --> 01:09:55,725 bringing people back over and starting events on there 1274 01:09:55,759 --> 01:09:57,160 and stuff like that. 1275 01:09:57,193 --> 01:09:59,896 So who knows, this could be a new chapter. 1276 01:09:59,929 --> 01:10:01,665 It might not look the same, but who knows, 1277 01:10:01,698 --> 01:10:02,898 it could be even better. 1278 01:10:08,805 --> 01:10:10,139 - Oh, shit, there it is. 1279 01:10:16,480 --> 01:10:17,581 (Kevin groans) 1280 01:10:17,614 --> 01:10:20,148 - Huh, you doing okay? 1281 01:10:20,183 --> 01:10:22,286 Kevin? It's fine. 1282 01:10:23,219 --> 01:10:25,822 (Kevin groans) 1283 01:10:30,927 --> 01:10:32,929 - [Jeff] You'll be fine. 1284 01:10:34,097 --> 01:10:35,599 - Why am I here? - Gimme the bag. 1285 01:10:36,700 --> 01:10:38,502 Gimme that. I got it. 1286 01:10:40,169 --> 01:10:41,737 Whose that, Wendy? - Hey, Wendy, 1287 01:10:41,771 --> 01:10:43,373 we just got into the parking lot. 1288 01:10:45,642 --> 01:10:48,678 Okay, where do you want us to go from here? 1289 01:10:49,779 --> 01:10:51,548 - Hi. 1290 01:10:51,581 --> 01:10:53,116 - Hello, nice to meet you. - Hi, how you doing? 1291 01:10:53,148 --> 01:10:54,918 - It was an interesting ride over. 1292 01:10:54,951 --> 01:10:56,452 - Yes. - I wanted to give you 1293 01:10:56,486 --> 01:11:00,357 all of this. This is the souvenirs I developed 1294 01:11:00,389 --> 01:11:03,660 and then had made and stuff like that. 1295 01:11:03,693 --> 01:11:05,728 Here's all the interviews that we did. 1296 01:11:07,297 --> 01:11:10,300 Here's a DVD for you. - Wow, okay. 1297 01:11:10,334 --> 01:11:11,768 - There. - Thank you. 1298 01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:13,303 - You're welcome. - Oh, nice. 1299 01:11:13,337 --> 01:11:16,505 - What you said helped me out a great deal. 1300 01:11:16,540 --> 01:11:18,775 That you know, you want people here. 1301 01:11:18,808 --> 01:11:19,776 - Yes. - We do. 1302 01:11:19,809 --> 01:11:21,678 - This is a public park. 1303 01:11:21,710 --> 01:11:23,347 We wanna bring it back and bring people back here. 1304 01:11:23,380 --> 01:11:24,948 - And you know what? - And so many people want it. 1305 01:11:24,981 --> 01:11:26,516 - A really great idea for an event next year 1306 01:11:26,550 --> 01:11:28,084 to bring Carter Shows here. 1307 01:11:28,117 --> 01:11:29,353 - You know what? If you were to put 1308 01:11:29,386 --> 01:11:30,920 a carnival on this island 1309 01:11:30,954 --> 01:11:33,490 and do a commercial, come relive Boblo. 1310 01:11:33,523 --> 01:11:35,291 Oh my God. - Wouldn't that be- 1311 01:11:35,325 --> 01:11:37,327 - You would have to turn people away. 1312 01:11:37,361 --> 01:11:39,596 (distant music) [Kevin] And if you remember, this was a commercial 1313 01:11:39,629 --> 01:11:41,764 about Boblo. How many of you remember that? 1314 01:11:43,166 --> 01:11:47,404 Come on, everybody clap. Here he comes, yay! 1315 01:11:49,237 --> 01:11:52,376 It's a new era so this is the son of the Boblo Bear. 1316 01:11:54,878 --> 01:11:59,883 * Come on let's twist again like we did last year * 1317 01:12:01,050 --> 01:12:05,455 (upbeat music) (people clap) 1318 01:12:14,030 --> 01:12:16,332 (romantic music) 1319 01:12:16,366 --> 01:12:20,269 - [SS Columbia] There is an anchor within each of us 1320 01:12:20,303 --> 01:12:24,073 buried deep waiting to be lifted. 1321 01:12:25,875 --> 01:12:28,678 - [Jeff] Are you glad you came or are you still upset? 1322 01:12:28,712 --> 01:12:31,481 - [Kevin] I don't know yet, we'll see. 1323 01:12:35,084 --> 01:12:37,921 - [Ron] Events like the fire change people. 1324 01:12:39,989 --> 01:12:42,125 I mean, that was the death of Boblo for him. 1325 01:12:43,893 --> 01:12:45,429 The fact that we're not working on the boat anymore, 1326 01:12:45,462 --> 01:12:47,464 you know, I don't hold anything against him. 1327 01:12:47,496 --> 01:12:49,466 There was a lot of good, you know, 1328 01:12:49,499 --> 01:12:51,968 so all I can do is say thank you to him. 1329 01:12:52,001 --> 01:12:55,472 (relaxing clarinet music) 1330 01:13:02,712 --> 01:13:04,112 I've got a place. 1331 01:13:04,147 --> 01:13:06,049 (generator running) I've got time. 1332 01:13:06,082 --> 01:13:08,718 It'll be done faster if I had $3 million right now. 1333 01:13:08,752 --> 01:13:10,787 (crane beeping) 1334 01:13:10,820 --> 01:13:13,657 The real question is, do I really think I can get this done? 1335 01:13:14,724 --> 01:13:15,959 Unequivocally, yes. 1336 01:13:20,096 --> 01:13:22,932 (dramatic music) 1337 01:13:24,634 --> 01:13:26,469 The only thing I ask for is patience. 1338 01:13:26,503 --> 01:13:29,639 Look how long it's taken for the city of Detroit to rebound 1339 01:13:29,673 --> 01:13:33,076 after a fire, and a riot, and this and that, 1340 01:13:33,109 --> 01:13:34,844 and you know, bad politicians or whatever. 1341 01:13:34,878 --> 01:13:37,112 I mean, do we all just pick up and leave 1342 01:13:37,146 --> 01:13:38,380 and say the hell with it? 1343 01:13:39,849 --> 01:13:41,618 - I've been saying for the last 28 years 1344 01:13:41,651 --> 01:13:44,287 that we're on the front lines of the greatest urban 1345 01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:46,289 comeback story in this nation's history. 1346 01:13:46,322 --> 01:13:47,857 We're seeing people move back in 1347 01:13:47,891 --> 01:13:50,359 for the first time in a long time. 1348 01:13:50,393 --> 01:13:53,096 - No, I think that Detroit is having a resurgence. 1349 01:13:53,129 --> 01:13:54,831 It's having a resurgence in parts 1350 01:13:54,864 --> 01:13:57,032 and I think that there are other parts 1351 01:13:57,066 --> 01:13:58,702 that are really struggling. 1352 01:14:00,169 --> 01:14:02,138 - Resurgence suggests that it's returning 1353 01:14:02,171 --> 01:14:03,940 to something that it was. 1354 01:14:03,973 --> 01:14:05,441 (torch ignites) 1355 01:14:05,475 --> 01:14:07,376 Detroit is finding a new identity 1356 01:14:07,410 --> 01:14:12,281 that is important to where we are right now, right here. 1357 01:14:12,315 --> 01:14:14,150 - There's a lot of money in this town certainly, 1358 01:14:14,183 --> 01:14:16,152 and people are coming from all over 1359 01:14:16,184 --> 01:14:19,055 to experience the city and its comeback. 1360 01:14:19,088 --> 01:14:22,091 Who knows? Maybe somehow, hopefully it can get restored. 1361 01:14:23,559 --> 01:14:25,094 - It ain't all about the money sometime, 1362 01:14:25,128 --> 01:14:26,496 it's about people getting together 1363 01:14:26,530 --> 01:14:28,764 and you know, making it happen. 1364 01:14:28,798 --> 01:14:31,434 - The Detroit Lions may never win a Super Bowl, 1365 01:14:31,467 --> 01:14:34,103 never been in one, but I think one of the two Boblo Boats 1366 01:14:34,137 --> 01:14:35,505 is coming back really soon. 1367 01:14:37,473 --> 01:14:39,342 - You know, it's funny, the slogan of Detroit 1368 01:14:39,375 --> 01:14:41,010 is Rise from the Ashes. 1369 01:14:42,411 --> 01:14:44,714 (music swells) 1370 01:14:46,616 --> 01:14:48,952 (soft tinkling music) 1371 01:14:48,985 --> 01:14:51,320 - [SS Columbia] If we gather enough courage 1372 01:14:51,353 --> 01:14:55,892 to raise our masts and weigh anchor with all our might 1373 01:14:56,960 --> 01:15:00,530 one day our ships will sail. 1374 01:15:13,910 --> 01:15:16,546 (playful music) 1375 01:15:22,852 --> 01:15:26,355 (playful music continues) 1376 01:15:30,994 --> 01:15:34,463 (playful music continues) 1377 01:15:43,272 --> 01:15:46,776 (playful music continues) 1378 01:15:54,416 --> 01:15:56,119 - Going on a boat dancing all night long 1379 01:15:56,152 --> 01:15:58,021 with my sister and cousins, 1380 01:15:58,054 --> 01:16:00,156 with their coolers full of like, all our Arabic food 1381 01:16:00,189 --> 01:16:03,259 and this and that and like, it's like a whole day event. 1382 01:16:03,291 --> 01:16:06,162 - You had $7, $8, you went to Boblo. 1383 01:16:06,195 --> 01:16:08,364 You know, your mom knew where you was at. 1384 01:16:08,397 --> 01:16:10,266 You was at Boblo and what kind of trouble 1385 01:16:10,299 --> 01:16:11,868 could you get in at Boblo? 1386 01:16:11,901 --> 01:16:13,603 You gonna not eat your hot dog 1387 01:16:13,637 --> 01:16:16,172 or your elephant ear or something like that. 1388 01:16:16,205 --> 01:16:18,141 - My family's family reunions, 1389 01:16:18,174 --> 01:16:22,679 we'd all get on the Boblo boat, 20, 30 of us. 1390 01:16:22,712 --> 01:16:25,380 - There was a flock of seagulls that followed the boat 1391 01:16:25,414 --> 01:16:26,782 as it went up and down the river. 1392 01:16:26,816 --> 01:16:28,351 But you could make bread balls 1393 01:16:28,384 --> 01:16:30,286 and you could literally throw them in the air 1394 01:16:30,318 --> 01:16:32,355 like a hard ball, throw 'em that way, 1395 01:16:32,388 --> 01:16:34,090 and they would catch them and you'd see it 1396 01:16:34,123 --> 01:16:35,892 knock 'em backwards, you know? 1397 01:16:35,925 --> 01:16:38,695 Or they'd fight in mid-air for them. 1398 01:16:38,728 --> 01:16:40,563 - So you knew everybody who worked at Boblo. 1399 01:16:40,596 --> 01:16:42,264 - Yeah, you could see them when they went back to school, 1400 01:16:42,298 --> 01:16:43,967 you could tell everybody that worked at Boblo. 1401 01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:45,300 They had a Boblo tan. 1402 01:16:47,036 --> 01:16:50,974 - It had great music, lemonade, Coca-Colas, Faygo. 1403 01:16:51,007 --> 01:16:55,978 I'm sorry, forget I said Coca-Cola, it was all about Faygo. 1404 01:16:56,012 --> 01:16:58,081 - You would smell the oil from the engine room. 1405 01:16:58,114 --> 01:16:59,983 You could feel the heat. 1406 01:17:00,016 --> 01:17:02,418 You felt like you were going on some faraway adventure, 1407 01:17:02,451 --> 01:17:04,387 maybe on the ocean or something. 1408 01:17:04,420 --> 01:17:07,255 - The boat ride back was always magical. 1409 01:17:07,290 --> 01:17:09,458 - Instead of, "Oh, we have to go home now," 1410 01:17:09,492 --> 01:17:11,427 it was like, "Now we get to get back on the boat." 1411 01:17:11,460 --> 01:17:14,831 - It was just amazing seeing them come down the river. 1412 01:17:14,864 --> 01:17:16,432 They never made a noise. 1413 01:17:16,465 --> 01:17:18,434 They're quiet except for the DJ on there. 1414 01:17:19,903 --> 01:17:22,005 And you can hear the thump of the music. 1415 01:17:22,038 --> 01:17:24,540 I thought that they were driven by funk, if you ask me. 1416 01:17:24,573 --> 01:17:28,011 - My wife and I took our kids one of the last times 1417 01:17:28,044 --> 01:17:29,846 that Boblo Island was open. 1418 01:17:29,879 --> 01:17:33,249 We rode every single ride probably four or five times. 1419 01:17:33,282 --> 01:17:35,885 And I remember my daughter and I got sick 1420 01:17:35,919 --> 01:17:38,254 on one of the rides 'cause we rode it so much. 1421 01:17:43,425 --> 01:17:46,262 - Hi, I am Kevin Mayer from Livonia, Michigan. 1422 01:17:46,295 --> 01:17:48,732 I know this is somewhat unconventional, 1423 01:17:48,764 --> 01:17:52,902 but I wanted to submit a video along with my resume 1424 01:17:52,936 --> 01:17:56,539 to help you understand just how much 1425 01:17:56,572 --> 01:18:00,476 working at one of the Disney theme parks means to me 1426 01:18:00,509 --> 01:18:02,912 and what I can bring to the table. 1427 01:18:02,946 --> 01:18:05,481 (lighthearted music) Watch your step. 1428 01:18:05,514 --> 01:18:07,916 Keep hands and arms inside the car at all time 1429 01:18:07,951 --> 01:18:09,152 and enjoy your ride. 1430 01:18:09,184 --> 01:18:10,519 - Thank you very much. 1431 01:18:11,587 --> 01:18:13,356 - I like making people happy. 1432 01:18:13,389 --> 01:18:14,924 Of course, you have to make sure 1433 01:18:14,958 --> 01:18:16,925 that all the rules are followed and you know, 1434 01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:19,162 things like that, safety precautions. 1435 01:18:19,195 --> 01:18:21,731 But you have to do it in a fun way. 1436 01:18:21,764 --> 01:18:23,699 You know, I would have people laughing 1437 01:18:23,733 --> 01:18:26,068 and having fun even in line. 1438 01:18:26,102 --> 01:18:27,702 I know you might be thinking to yourself 1439 01:18:27,737 --> 01:18:31,741 that I'm overqualified to be a ride attendant. 1440 01:18:31,775 --> 01:18:34,677 I wouldn't mind doing something in the office. 1441 01:18:34,710 --> 01:18:39,282 If it's at all possible one or two days a week 1442 01:18:39,315 --> 01:18:41,450 that I can actually get out there in the park, 1443 01:18:41,484 --> 01:18:44,153 be with the people, be by the rides, 1444 01:18:44,187 --> 01:18:46,621 you know, that's what means a lot to me. 1445 01:18:47,991 --> 01:18:49,692 Except for the Hall of Presidents. 1446 01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:52,395 (Kevin chuckles) 1447 01:18:52,428 --> 01:18:53,996 You can cut that out, but I had-