1 00:00:04,270 --> 00:00:06,505 I've never looked at any of the tapes. 2 00:00:06,573 --> 00:00:10,809 Honestly, I always meant to go through them 3 00:00:10,877 --> 00:00:12,177 and see what was on there, 4 00:00:12,278 --> 00:00:15,147 but I just haven't. 5 00:00:15,181 --> 00:00:18,884 I'm afraid to watch them, because if I look 6 00:00:18,952 --> 00:00:22,054 at these, and I see something that was a red flag -- 7 00:00:22,088 --> 00:00:24,957 Beat myself up, because why didn't I see 8 00:00:24,991 --> 00:00:27,593 that was so obvious, you know? 9 00:00:27,660 --> 00:00:30,763 As much as memories are nice, sometimes they hurt. 10 00:00:46,279 --> 00:00:47,379 I remember this night. 11 00:00:47,414 --> 00:00:49,314 He's sitting across the table from me, and I saw it 12 00:00:49,382 --> 00:00:52,918 in the video just the, where he was happy and then face changed. 13 00:00:55,722 --> 00:00:57,623 Everyone can see his demeanor change. 14 00:00:57,690 --> 00:00:58,857 Everybody knew when it was fixing 15 00:00:58,925 --> 00:01:01,727 to happen, when he was gonna turn. 16 00:01:01,795 --> 00:01:02,861 That's a part of my life that 17 00:01:02,929 --> 00:01:05,230 I don't even want to have anymore. 18 00:01:08,301 --> 00:01:11,503 I think it would be good for me to throw these tapes away, 19 00:01:11,571 --> 00:01:16,275 because I've been stuck in limbo in this for so long 20 00:01:16,342 --> 00:01:18,644 that... 21 00:01:18,678 --> 00:01:21,246 this might be something to help me push out. 22 00:01:28,054 --> 00:01:31,790 His mistake was not keeping his secret to himself. 23 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,095 He's not who I thought he was when I married him. 24 00:01:38,665 --> 00:01:41,600 Things changed with him so fast, 25 00:01:41,668 --> 00:01:43,502 back and forth. 26 00:01:44,471 --> 00:01:45,537 I'm sorry. 27 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,007 This wasn't supposed to happen. 28 00:01:50,176 --> 00:01:51,310 [sniffles] 29 00:01:53,246 --> 00:01:54,546 I don't know if I can do this. 30 00:01:56,583 --> 00:01:57,916 [sniffles] 31 00:01:58,952 --> 00:02:03,622 I feel, right now, like I did when I was living with him. 32 00:02:06,860 --> 00:02:08,193 Can I stop? 33 00:02:08,228 --> 00:02:10,062 PRODUCER: Absolutely. 34 00:02:10,096 --> 00:02:11,897 All of a sudden, 35 00:02:11,965 --> 00:02:14,166 I feel -- I feel like I'm back 36 00:02:14,234 --> 00:02:16,702 in that house, I feel like I'm... 37 00:02:16,769 --> 00:02:18,837 still stuck there. 38 00:02:18,872 --> 00:02:21,640 I feel afraid, and he's in prison. 39 00:02:21,708 --> 00:02:23,342 He's not getting out. 40 00:02:23,376 --> 00:02:28,413 And I'm scared. And I don't know why. 41 00:02:28,481 --> 00:02:30,349 I know I agreed to do this show, 42 00:02:30,383 --> 00:02:31,950 and I probably shouldn't have. 43 00:02:35,488 --> 00:02:38,023 [The Paper Chase's "What's So Amazing About Grace?" plays] 44 00:02:38,091 --> 00:02:41,059 [strings continue playing sinister tune] 45 00:02:41,094 --> 00:02:46,131 [static crackling] 46 00:02:46,199 --> 00:02:47,933 [knock at door] [creaking] 47 00:02:47,967 --> 00:02:53,071 [banging on door] 48 00:02:53,139 --> 00:02:58,343 [creaking] 49 00:02:58,411 --> 00:03:01,046 [water dripping] 50 00:03:01,114 --> 00:03:03,715 [banging on door] [creaking] 51 00:03:03,750 --> 00:03:05,184 [sinister chord strikes] 52 00:03:12,692 --> 00:03:15,527 ROBYN: I grew up in New London, Connecticut. 53 00:03:15,595 --> 00:03:18,564 I was in the Navy, I was a photographer's mate. 54 00:03:18,631 --> 00:03:21,233 When I divorced my first husband, 55 00:03:21,301 --> 00:03:24,269 my life was a mess, and it was 56 00:03:24,337 --> 00:03:27,105 a decision for him to raise the children, and this was back 57 00:03:27,173 --> 00:03:29,141 in 1985. 58 00:03:29,209 --> 00:03:30,242 I needed a change. 59 00:03:30,310 --> 00:03:31,843 I just wanted to move somewhere where there was 60 00:03:31,911 --> 00:03:33,312 no snow. 61 00:03:33,346 --> 00:03:35,614 I wanted a fresh start. 62 00:03:35,648 --> 00:03:40,686 I moved to Georgia in 1994, and I met Craig in August of '98. 63 00:03:42,522 --> 00:03:43,755 I was at a friend of mine's house. 64 00:03:43,823 --> 00:03:46,325 We were partying that night, you know, drinking some beers 65 00:03:46,359 --> 00:03:49,962 and singing karaoke and just being stupid. 66 00:03:49,996 --> 00:03:51,964 And when I woke up the next morning, there was 67 00:03:51,998 --> 00:03:54,499 this guy sitting on her couch, and I was like, ooh. 68 00:03:54,567 --> 00:03:56,602 He's kind of good-looking. 69 00:03:56,669 --> 00:03:58,437 Hi. I don't think I met you. 70 00:03:58,504 --> 00:03:59,871 I'm Craig. 71 00:04:00,006 --> 00:04:01,707 Hi, I'm Robyn. 72 00:04:01,741 --> 00:04:04,610 ROBYN: When I looked at him, it was instant chemistry. 73 00:04:04,644 --> 00:04:07,980 I just immediately thought, "That's the one." 74 00:04:08,047 --> 00:04:12,551 I had the butterflies and the constant grin. 75 00:04:12,585 --> 00:04:14,253 He had brought it up that, um, 76 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:15,654 "Oh, maybe we can go do something, 77 00:04:15,688 --> 00:04:16,822 go to dinner sometime." 78 00:04:16,889 --> 00:04:18,790 Since we didn't get to talk last night, 79 00:04:18,858 --> 00:04:20,759 would you want to grab a bite? 80 00:04:22,395 --> 00:04:24,563 Um, yeah. 81 00:04:24,631 --> 00:04:26,865 ROBYN: I saw that he was interested, and I knew I was, 82 00:04:26,933 --> 00:04:29,201 and then he was very nice, and we talked, 83 00:04:29,235 --> 00:04:31,903 and he was goofy, he was funny. 84 00:04:31,971 --> 00:04:34,673 You wouldn't believe that he was an angry person. 85 00:04:34,741 --> 00:04:36,808 You wouldn't believe that he was an abusive person. 86 00:04:36,876 --> 00:04:38,043 You wouldn't believe that this is 87 00:04:38,077 --> 00:04:40,212 a person that could kill somebody. 88 00:04:40,280 --> 00:04:41,546 He had us all fooled. 89 00:05:02,235 --> 00:05:04,936 Almost every night, we all used to go after work. 90 00:05:05,004 --> 00:05:07,839 We'd go to our friend's house, and we'd shoot darts, 91 00:05:07,907 --> 00:05:09,408 drink beer, play cards. 92 00:05:09,475 --> 00:05:12,177 His friends were like, "We never saw Craig like this. 93 00:05:12,245 --> 00:05:14,179 "He just seems so happy. 94 00:05:14,247 --> 00:05:15,781 You're the best thing for him." 95 00:05:17,283 --> 00:05:19,017 I thought, this is it. 96 00:05:19,085 --> 00:05:22,387 Yay! Finally, I got my life the way I want it to be. 97 00:05:24,324 --> 00:05:26,892 But there was this one friend, and his name was Jack. 98 00:05:26,959 --> 00:05:28,160 Hey, Jack. 99 00:05:28,194 --> 00:05:30,429 Hey, can I talk to you for a minute? 100 00:05:30,496 --> 00:05:31,530 Hey, what's up? 101 00:05:31,597 --> 00:05:36,435 He's like, "You need to just calm down with him. 102 00:05:36,502 --> 00:05:38,170 "You need to back off a little bit, 103 00:05:38,237 --> 00:05:40,138 because he's not what you think." 104 00:05:40,206 --> 00:05:41,773 And I was like, "Well, what do you mean?" 105 00:05:41,841 --> 00:05:45,310 "He's bad news. Just -- just be careful." 106 00:05:45,378 --> 00:05:47,412 What do you mean "bad news"? 107 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,848 My thought was... 108 00:05:51,084 --> 00:05:52,250 bad news? What? 109 00:05:52,284 --> 00:05:55,020 He cheated on his ex-girlfriend? 110 00:05:55,054 --> 00:05:58,590 He drinks too much beer and falls asleep in the table? 111 00:05:58,624 --> 00:06:00,292 Let's just say he has anger issues. 112 00:06:01,327 --> 00:06:05,364 He's like, "You know, I know that everybody thinks that 113 00:06:05,431 --> 00:06:08,266 you guys are great together, and maybe you are," 114 00:06:08,334 --> 00:06:11,737 he said, "But he is evil. 115 00:06:11,804 --> 00:06:14,906 "He will hit you. He will scream at you. 116 00:06:14,974 --> 00:06:17,008 He's just angry." 117 00:06:17,076 --> 00:06:18,810 That was a warning to run. 118 00:06:20,012 --> 00:06:23,849 But when Jack told me that, I honestly dismissed it. 119 00:06:23,916 --> 00:06:25,550 I haven't seen that. 120 00:06:25,585 --> 00:06:27,819 I thought that Jack was interested in me, 121 00:06:27,854 --> 00:06:30,689 and that's why he wanted me to get away from Craig. 122 00:06:30,757 --> 00:06:31,990 That's why I dismissed it. 123 00:06:32,024 --> 00:06:35,427 I really thought that he had ulterior motives, you know? 124 00:06:36,529 --> 00:06:38,730 I don't know what he was like before, 125 00:06:38,798 --> 00:06:40,332 but he's not like that with me. 126 00:06:43,970 --> 00:06:47,339 At that point, I did not see a bad part of Craig at all. 127 00:06:47,407 --> 00:06:51,076 I did not see any indication whatsoever 128 00:06:51,144 --> 00:06:53,912 that things would go the way that they did. 129 00:07:04,824 --> 00:07:06,892 When we moved in together, 130 00:07:06,959 --> 00:07:08,660 it wasn't long before I started 131 00:07:08,728 --> 00:07:11,229 to see a different side of Craig. 132 00:07:11,297 --> 00:07:13,598 I started seeing the little bit here 133 00:07:13,666 --> 00:07:16,568 and there of the anger pop out. 134 00:07:16,636 --> 00:07:18,103 Our first Christmas Eve, 135 00:07:18,171 --> 00:07:19,604 a couple of months into the relationship, 136 00:07:19,672 --> 00:07:23,975 he came home angry, for no reason that I know of. 137 00:07:25,678 --> 00:07:26,845 I could tell he was drunk. 138 00:07:26,913 --> 00:07:30,949 He was slurring his words and kind of wobbling around. 139 00:07:31,017 --> 00:07:33,952 Oh, look who decided to show up. 140 00:07:34,020 --> 00:07:35,854 I'm hungry. Fix me something. 141 00:07:35,922 --> 00:07:37,589 He said, "Woman, get in that kitchen 142 00:07:37,623 --> 00:07:39,958 and make me something to eat." I thought he was joking. 143 00:07:39,992 --> 00:07:41,827 Are you kidding me? 144 00:07:41,894 --> 00:07:44,496 I hadn't seen the mean part of him yet, 145 00:07:44,564 --> 00:07:46,465 so I wasn't afraid to stand up to him. 146 00:07:46,532 --> 00:07:50,235 So I confronted him about him acting like he is. 147 00:07:50,303 --> 00:07:51,903 What is wrong with you kind of thing. 148 00:07:51,971 --> 00:07:55,774 If you want something to eat, go make it yourself. 149 00:07:55,842 --> 00:07:58,109 ROBYN: His face just changed. 150 00:07:58,177 --> 00:08:01,246 He went from this to this. 151 00:08:03,049 --> 00:08:04,182 That was scary. 152 00:08:04,217 --> 00:08:06,852 I mean, it was just like this face and then this face. 153 00:08:07,954 --> 00:08:09,988 And that's when he grabbed me by my wrists and... 154 00:08:11,424 --> 00:08:12,557 tossed me into the wall. 155 00:08:14,961 --> 00:08:17,729 I was in shock at first. 156 00:08:17,797 --> 00:08:18,864 off of me! 157 00:08:20,433 --> 00:08:26,404 I had never seen him like that before. Never. 158 00:08:26,472 --> 00:08:28,440 I said to myself, 159 00:08:28,508 --> 00:08:30,242 I'm not gonna be abused. 160 00:08:30,309 --> 00:08:32,344 What the hell is wrong with you?! 161 00:08:32,411 --> 00:08:35,013 Stop it. I'm sorry. 162 00:08:35,047 --> 00:08:37,315 And of course the promises, 163 00:08:37,350 --> 00:08:40,752 "Oh, I was just drunk, and I don't believe I did that." 164 00:08:40,786 --> 00:08:43,955 I should have left. I should have ran out then. 165 00:08:43,990 --> 00:08:46,525 Please -- 166 00:08:46,592 --> 00:08:47,626 Let's have a nice Christmas. 167 00:08:52,698 --> 00:08:54,866 ROBYN: But I desperately wanted things to work, 168 00:08:54,934 --> 00:08:57,636 because I thought I knew him. 169 00:08:57,703 --> 00:09:00,972 I thought I knew that he was my soul mate, 170 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,075 and I thought that it was just one time. 171 00:09:04,110 --> 00:09:05,977 It never happened before. 172 00:09:06,045 --> 00:09:09,281 It actually didn't happen for a long time after that, 173 00:09:09,315 --> 00:09:12,284 like years after that, it never happened again. 174 00:09:12,318 --> 00:09:15,320 But in my soul, thinking, looking back, 175 00:09:15,354 --> 00:09:19,257 I think Craig always had that in him, the evil, and almost 176 00:09:19,292 --> 00:09:22,260 enjoyed making people hurt physically or emotionally. 177 00:09:22,295 --> 00:09:26,264 And I think he learned how to hide that very well, 178 00:09:26,332 --> 00:09:30,168 but then when that mask would slip, it would be this 179 00:09:30,236 --> 00:09:34,839 uncaring, almost relish in hurting people. 180 00:09:34,907 --> 00:09:36,274 Just liked it. 181 00:09:48,988 --> 00:09:50,288 I've always been a worrier. 182 00:09:50,323 --> 00:09:53,291 Always worried about gotta make sure the bills are paid, 183 00:09:53,326 --> 00:09:57,262 gotta make sure that we have enough money. 184 00:09:57,330 --> 00:09:58,463 One day, we were talking 185 00:09:58,531 --> 00:10:00,665 about money, and I was a little worried. 186 00:10:00,733 --> 00:10:03,134 Look, I don't think we can afford to go away next weekend. 187 00:10:03,202 --> 00:10:04,536 Look at this credit card bill. 188 00:10:04,604 --> 00:10:05,737 ROBYN: Craig said not to worry. 189 00:10:05,805 --> 00:10:08,206 He's got a lot of money coming in 190 00:10:08,274 --> 00:10:10,208 Relax -- in a couple months, 191 00:10:10,276 --> 00:10:12,243 all our money problems are gonna be taken care of. 192 00:10:14,380 --> 00:10:15,614 What do you mean? 193 00:10:15,648 --> 00:10:18,416 And he said, "Years ago, me and my cousin Terry, 194 00:10:18,484 --> 00:10:21,019 "we got life insurance policies on each other, 195 00:10:21,053 --> 00:10:24,522 "and now that he's missing as soon as he is declared dead, 196 00:10:24,557 --> 00:10:27,292 I come into all that money, so don't worry too much." 197 00:10:27,326 --> 00:10:29,294 Wait, what? 198 00:10:29,362 --> 00:10:31,296 What are you talking about? 199 00:10:31,364 --> 00:10:34,065 ROBYN: I was asking him, "He disappeared? Really?" 200 00:10:34,133 --> 00:10:35,133 He's like, "Yeah, 201 00:10:35,201 --> 00:10:38,169 they found his car in the Okefenokee Swamp." 202 00:10:38,237 --> 00:10:41,506 Wait, your -- your cousin is missing. What happened? 203 00:10:41,574 --> 00:10:43,875 The car was running I guess all night 204 00:10:43,943 --> 00:10:45,844 or all day, whatever, before they found it, 205 00:10:45,911 --> 00:10:48,079 it was out of gas. The door was open. 206 00:10:48,147 --> 00:10:50,982 He had specifics about this car, and that 207 00:10:51,017 --> 00:10:52,384 kind of struck me as a little odd, 208 00:10:52,418 --> 00:10:54,519 but then I thought, well, maybe it was all in the paper. 209 00:10:56,722 --> 00:10:58,123 I never heard of Terry before. 210 00:10:58,157 --> 00:11:00,058 I'm from Connecticut, and I moved down here 211 00:11:00,092 --> 00:11:03,328 in '94, and this whole thing happened in '91. 212 00:11:03,396 --> 00:11:05,196 So I'm confused. 213 00:11:05,264 --> 00:11:07,532 Why would you get the insurance money? 214 00:11:07,633 --> 00:11:08,833 I was asking him, I was like, 215 00:11:08,901 --> 00:11:11,403 "Well, what do you mean insurance poli -- he's -- 216 00:11:11,470 --> 00:11:12,904 On your cousin? 217 00:11:12,972 --> 00:11:15,840 We took out policies on each other, just in case. 218 00:11:16,876 --> 00:11:21,046 Most people only have insurance policies for 219 00:11:21,113 --> 00:11:22,080 their spouse. 220 00:11:22,148 --> 00:11:23,848 You don't do it for your friend, your buddy, 221 00:11:23,916 --> 00:11:25,383 your cousin, 222 00:11:25,418 --> 00:11:27,085 but they were even closer than brothers, 223 00:11:27,119 --> 00:11:28,887 is what he used to tell me. 224 00:11:28,954 --> 00:11:30,955 Terry was his best friend, he was his brother. 225 00:11:30,990 --> 00:11:33,191 They were never apart, always together from 226 00:11:33,225 --> 00:11:37,395 the time that they were little until Terry disappeared. 227 00:11:37,463 --> 00:11:39,064 Now that I think about it, 228 00:11:39,098 --> 00:11:42,634 it is very strange that he waited for Terry to be declared 229 00:11:42,702 --> 00:11:43,868 dead instead of waiting for 230 00:11:43,936 --> 00:11:46,004 Terry to see if he'll come home. 231 00:11:46,072 --> 00:11:49,874 Maybe he started over somewhere, or... 232 00:11:49,942 --> 00:11:51,543 I thought Terry just ran away. 233 00:11:51,610 --> 00:11:53,478 Some people do. I did. 234 00:11:53,512 --> 00:11:54,746 I ran away from Connecticut. 235 00:11:54,780 --> 00:11:57,615 I did it. You know, maybe he had to do the same thing. 236 00:11:57,650 --> 00:11:59,317 - Fresh start. - I doubt it. 237 00:12:01,020 --> 00:12:03,688 But I never, ever, ever, 238 00:12:03,756 --> 00:12:05,957 ever heard Craig talk about his cousin 239 00:12:06,025 --> 00:12:09,060 maybe being found alive. Ever. 240 00:12:09,095 --> 00:12:10,428 Oh, my God. 241 00:12:10,496 --> 00:12:11,830 - That's horrible. - Yeah. 242 00:12:13,199 --> 00:12:16,534 He just told me that Terry was gone, and they never found him. 243 00:12:16,602 --> 00:12:17,969 Matter of fact, he said they never 244 00:12:18,037 --> 00:12:20,038 found his body -- Now that I think about it, 245 00:12:20,106 --> 00:12:21,906 that's pretty weird, too. 246 00:12:21,974 --> 00:12:24,509 But you know, it could wind up being something good for us. 247 00:12:24,577 --> 00:12:27,345 Why would Craig say they never found his body 248 00:12:27,413 --> 00:12:29,547 if he didn't know Terry was dead? 249 00:12:38,657 --> 00:12:40,325 This was our wedding day. 250 00:12:42,161 --> 00:12:43,728 It was a very happy day. 251 00:12:43,796 --> 00:12:47,632 We got married May 13th, 2000. 252 00:12:47,733 --> 00:12:49,634 That was my fairytale. 253 00:12:49,702 --> 00:12:52,670 Everything was just perfect. 254 00:12:52,738 --> 00:12:58,143 This was the beginning of what I thought was gonna be 255 00:12:58,210 --> 00:13:00,078 the perfect life that I always wanted, 256 00:13:00,146 --> 00:13:01,880 that, you know, someone who always would care 257 00:13:01,947 --> 00:13:07,752 about me, and we would protect each other, and... 258 00:13:07,787 --> 00:13:09,554 [sighs] 259 00:13:11,590 --> 00:13:13,691 It's almost sad to look at this, 260 00:13:13,759 --> 00:13:17,662 because the fairy tale ended 261 00:13:17,730 --> 00:13:22,667 when I realized that... 262 00:13:22,735 --> 00:13:24,602 just wasn't the man I thought he was. 263 00:13:24,637 --> 00:13:30,809 ♪ 264 00:13:30,876 --> 00:13:32,010 Craig would bring up his 265 00:13:32,044 --> 00:13:34,846 cousin Terry's disappearance now and then. 266 00:13:36,182 --> 00:13:40,418 And Craig had this habit that he would get you to believe 267 00:13:40,452 --> 00:13:41,753 the stupidest things, 268 00:13:41,787 --> 00:13:44,422 the silliest things -- He would get 269 00:13:44,456 --> 00:13:47,592 you worked up and to believe something, and you believe 270 00:13:47,660 --> 00:13:49,093 in it, you believe in it, and then he'd go, 271 00:13:49,161 --> 00:13:50,428 "Just kidding." 272 00:13:50,496 --> 00:13:53,631 [laughs mockingly] "You're so stupid. 273 00:13:53,699 --> 00:13:55,633 I can't believe you believed that." 274 00:13:57,369 --> 00:13:58,469 And one night, 275 00:13:58,537 --> 00:14:03,141 we were watching this movie about these army guys 276 00:14:03,209 --> 00:14:05,476 training in the bayou, 277 00:14:05,544 --> 00:14:08,980 and he had said, "That's where Terry's at." 278 00:14:09,014 --> 00:14:12,417 There. What do you know? Just like Terry. 279 00:14:12,451 --> 00:14:15,253 I'm like, "What? What do you mean Terry's in the swamp?" 280 00:14:15,287 --> 00:14:16,454 "Yeah, I put them in there." 281 00:14:17,756 --> 00:14:19,991 Get out of here. He's like, "No, I'm serious. 282 00:14:20,025 --> 00:14:21,125 I put him in the swamp." 283 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:22,794 "When did you put him in the swamp?" 284 00:14:22,862 --> 00:14:25,530 He said, "Right after I killed him." 285 00:14:26,966 --> 00:14:29,500 And you're thinking... 286 00:14:29,568 --> 00:14:32,203 yeah, okay. 287 00:14:32,271 --> 00:14:34,906 Oh, please. 288 00:14:34,974 --> 00:14:36,541 That's where I dumped him, 289 00:14:36,609 --> 00:14:38,109 in the swamp, just like that. 290 00:14:38,143 --> 00:14:40,678 And I was just like, "You're kidding, right?" 291 00:14:40,746 --> 00:14:42,447 He's like, "Nope, dead serious. 292 00:14:42,481 --> 00:14:44,048 "I killed him and put him in 293 00:14:44,116 --> 00:14:47,719 the swamp because he was sleeping with my wife." 294 00:14:47,753 --> 00:14:50,555 You're telling me you killed your cousin. 295 00:14:50,623 --> 00:14:51,656 Yep. 296 00:14:54,059 --> 00:14:55,260 Just like that. 297 00:14:55,294 --> 00:14:56,995 ROBYN: And I just believed that that was just one 298 00:14:57,029 --> 00:14:58,563 of his silly jokes. 299 00:14:58,631 --> 00:15:00,732 I was waiting for the punch line. 300 00:15:02,501 --> 00:15:05,536 Then I let it go, because he's just saying it to 301 00:15:05,604 --> 00:15:08,373 get my reaction just to see if I would go [gasps]. 302 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,475 Shut up. 303 00:15:11,710 --> 00:15:13,344 I'm not falling for that. 304 00:15:13,412 --> 00:15:14,545 ROBYN: I didn't believe it. 305 00:15:24,890 --> 00:15:28,192 The story would change just a little bit from, 306 00:15:28,227 --> 00:15:29,794 "I put him in the swamp," to 307 00:15:29,862 --> 00:15:32,263 "I cut him up and put him in the swamp," to 308 00:15:32,331 --> 00:15:34,499 "I put him in trash bags." 309 00:15:36,769 --> 00:15:40,305 And about four or five years into our marriage, 310 00:15:40,372 --> 00:15:42,373 he started using Terry's disappearance 311 00:15:42,441 --> 00:15:43,608 as a threat to me. 312 00:15:45,377 --> 00:15:48,913 I remember clear one night that he was out partying. 313 00:15:50,082 --> 00:15:52,150 I didn't feel like going. I just wanted to stay home. 314 00:15:53,352 --> 00:15:56,020 He just came in, and he started spurting at me all 315 00:15:56,088 --> 00:15:58,623 the horrible all things I am and all the awful things 316 00:15:58,691 --> 00:15:59,824 I've ever done. 317 00:15:59,892 --> 00:16:02,260 You've been sitting here all night, you lazy cow? 318 00:16:02,294 --> 00:16:06,030 Just giving me this barrage of hate. 319 00:16:06,065 --> 00:16:09,167 Just awful things, that I'm ugly 320 00:16:09,234 --> 00:16:12,537 and disgusting and stupid and I never do anything 321 00:16:12,604 --> 00:16:13,905 he says and I'm worthless, 322 00:16:13,973 --> 00:16:16,841 and there ain't nothing good about me. 323 00:16:16,909 --> 00:16:19,210 I just sat there, in shock. 324 00:16:19,278 --> 00:16:20,611 I didn't know what to say. 325 00:16:20,646 --> 00:16:23,348 And then he just started telling me that he was 326 00:16:23,415 --> 00:16:25,950 gonna put me in the swamp like Terry. 327 00:16:26,018 --> 00:16:28,052 He was gonna make me gator bait. 328 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,288 "I'll kill you, and just like I did Terry, 329 00:16:30,322 --> 00:16:31,689 "I'll just kill you, chop you up, 330 00:16:31,757 --> 00:16:33,791 "and put you in the swamp and won't nobody ever 331 00:16:33,859 --> 00:16:35,026 find your body." 332 00:16:35,060 --> 00:16:40,565 ♪ 333 00:16:40,632 --> 00:16:45,370 He told me that he got away with murder for 20 years. 334 00:16:45,437 --> 00:16:47,839 Not a problem. He's done it before. 335 00:16:47,906 --> 00:16:50,408 He'll do it again. 336 00:16:50,476 --> 00:16:54,445 The look in Craig's eye was pure hatred. 337 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,515 It was very scary, and it made me 338 00:16:57,583 --> 00:17:00,418 believe every word he was saying -- there was no doubt. 339 00:17:00,452 --> 00:17:04,022 That was the truth. He was telling me the truth. 340 00:17:04,056 --> 00:17:06,557 And if it was true, and if he did it once, then what? 341 00:17:09,028 --> 00:17:11,462 If it was that easy for him to do 342 00:17:11,530 --> 00:17:13,564 to his cousin that he loved so much, 343 00:17:13,632 --> 00:17:16,401 it might be easy to do to anybody. 344 00:17:16,468 --> 00:17:18,936 Oh, my God, I was scared to death. 345 00:17:19,004 --> 00:17:20,872 I wanted to get out of the whole situation, 346 00:17:20,939 --> 00:17:22,473 but no money. 347 00:17:23,709 --> 00:17:25,276 Where was I gonna go? 348 00:17:26,478 --> 00:17:28,946 Family's in Connecticut and really 349 00:17:29,014 --> 00:17:32,183 not a very close family, so I couldn't go back there. 350 00:17:33,886 --> 00:17:35,853 If I were to leave him, he would find me. 351 00:17:35,954 --> 00:17:37,455 If I were to ever call the police 352 00:17:37,489 --> 00:17:39,323 because of the way he treated me, 353 00:17:39,358 --> 00:17:41,526 he would get out of jail and kill me. 354 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:43,494 Okay. So just live with it, 355 00:17:43,562 --> 00:17:46,631 deal with it, and hope for the best that it's not true. 356 00:17:46,732 --> 00:17:53,404 ♪ 357 00:17:53,472 --> 00:17:54,572 Ugh. 358 00:17:54,640 --> 00:18:00,144 ♪ 359 00:18:00,212 --> 00:18:05,983 ♪ 360 00:18:06,051 --> 00:18:08,386 That is the person 361 00:18:08,420 --> 00:18:10,154 behind the mask. 362 00:18:11,824 --> 00:18:14,492 I can't look at that, because that's a person 363 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,761 I saw every day. 364 00:18:19,698 --> 00:18:21,566 I'm scared of him. 365 00:18:23,102 --> 00:18:26,170 Now, even. 366 00:18:31,110 --> 00:18:32,877 Please don't make me look at that again. 367 00:18:32,945 --> 00:18:37,949 ♪ 368 00:18:38,016 --> 00:18:40,485 The sudden fear when I saw that face. 369 00:18:40,519 --> 00:18:42,453 It never -- It hasn't gone away yet. 370 00:18:43,489 --> 00:18:45,623 That put me right back into that house, 371 00:18:45,691 --> 00:18:48,192 scared, afraid. [sobs] 372 00:18:48,227 --> 00:18:54,098 ♪ 373 00:18:54,166 --> 00:18:57,935 That's the person I saw all the time. 374 00:18:58,003 --> 00:19:01,205 And that's the person I see in my head when I remember. 375 00:19:04,710 --> 00:19:06,911 God, I did not expect that reaction. 376 00:19:06,979 --> 00:19:08,579 Out of me right there -- It got me shakin'. 377 00:19:09,815 --> 00:19:11,249 Holy [bleep]. 378 00:19:14,620 --> 00:19:17,588 I'm flabbergasted at my reaction to that picture. 379 00:19:19,525 --> 00:19:21,192 I thought I was way over that. 380 00:19:30,102 --> 00:19:32,403 He asked me one day if I would go shopping 381 00:19:32,471 --> 00:19:33,504 and buy one of those, you know, 382 00:19:33,572 --> 00:19:35,273 those big picture frames that you put different 383 00:19:35,340 --> 00:19:37,341 pictures in, in one frame. 384 00:19:37,409 --> 00:19:39,544 I thought he was gonna put family pictures, maybe -- 385 00:19:39,578 --> 00:19:42,413 Maybe my family and his family all combined in one frame. 386 00:19:42,447 --> 00:19:45,583 I thought that was pretty nice, you know, so I did. 387 00:19:45,617 --> 00:19:48,219 I brought home this big, huge frame, 388 00:19:48,253 --> 00:19:50,855 and he started putting in the newspaper clippings of Terry, 389 00:19:52,090 --> 00:19:54,859 about how Terry's car was found, 390 00:19:54,927 --> 00:19:57,728 how they suspected Craig, 391 00:19:57,829 --> 00:20:00,064 pictures of Terry's face and stuff 392 00:20:00,098 --> 00:20:03,701 in this collage, and I'm like, that's morbid. 393 00:20:05,070 --> 00:20:08,940 When I read that he was the suspect, that they suspected 394 00:20:09,007 --> 00:20:11,809 that he was the only one that could have did it, 395 00:20:11,877 --> 00:20:12,977 I asked him about that, 396 00:20:13,045 --> 00:20:15,012 I was like, "They knew that it was you?" 397 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:16,681 And he was like, "Yeah, but they couldn't prove it, 398 00:20:16,715 --> 00:20:17,949 because there's no body." 399 00:20:19,885 --> 00:20:23,087 I believe he was proud of that collage. 400 00:20:26,491 --> 00:20:28,826 And he'd hang it on the wall in the living room. 401 00:20:29,861 --> 00:20:31,229 I'd take it down, and he'd put it up. 402 00:20:31,296 --> 00:20:32,897 I'd take it down, he'd put it up. 403 00:20:35,167 --> 00:20:36,701 It was a game for him. 404 00:20:36,768 --> 00:20:39,604 "Look what I did and got away with it." 405 00:20:42,641 --> 00:20:44,909 I knew the truth, but what was I supposed to do? 406 00:20:46,311 --> 00:20:49,914 Could I run to the police and say -- well, 407 00:20:49,982 --> 00:20:51,782 they couldn't prove it for 20 years. 408 00:20:51,817 --> 00:20:53,284 What am I gonna do? 409 00:20:53,318 --> 00:20:56,487 If I did not do exactly what he wanted, 410 00:20:56,521 --> 00:20:58,856 I was gator bait, he would tell me. 411 00:20:58,924 --> 00:21:00,558 "I will do to you what I did to Terry. 412 00:21:00,626 --> 00:21:02,360 You are gator bait." 413 00:21:02,394 --> 00:21:05,263 So just shut up, deal with it, and go on tomorrow 414 00:21:05,330 --> 00:21:07,098 like nothing happened. 415 00:21:07,165 --> 00:21:09,500 But I did feel like I knew too much. 416 00:21:09,568 --> 00:21:12,637 Sometimes I felt like he believed I knew too much, 417 00:21:12,704 --> 00:21:16,073 and I never doubted that he was gonna kill me. 418 00:21:16,141 --> 00:21:17,842 It was just a matter of how and when. 419 00:21:22,014 --> 00:21:24,582 As time progressed, my imagination just got bigger 420 00:21:24,616 --> 00:21:27,251 and bigger as I believed the story more and more. 421 00:21:28,487 --> 00:21:31,589 Once we moved into the other place, we were in the bedroom 422 00:21:31,623 --> 00:21:33,291 unpacking stuff in our new place, 423 00:21:33,325 --> 00:21:34,959 putting things in the closet. 424 00:21:37,362 --> 00:21:40,898 What's this? I haven't seen this before. 425 00:21:40,966 --> 00:21:42,433 Craig had this metal box. 426 00:21:42,501 --> 00:21:44,602 It was like -- Just like a little 427 00:21:44,703 --> 00:21:50,107 army green -- metal army box -- It was locked. 428 00:21:50,242 --> 00:21:52,376 Sounds kind of heavy. 429 00:21:52,411 --> 00:21:54,211 I was like shaking it. I said, "What's in this?" 430 00:21:54,279 --> 00:21:55,479 He said, "That's mine. 431 00:21:55,514 --> 00:21:59,317 It's my private things. You just leave it alone." 432 00:21:59,351 --> 00:22:01,519 ROBYN: I'm nosy. I'm very nosy. I want to know. 433 00:22:01,553 --> 00:22:02,987 I want to know. What's that? What's that? 434 00:22:03,021 --> 00:22:04,088 Where's that? I'm like a little child -- 435 00:22:04,122 --> 00:22:06,857 What's this? What's that? And I was like, "Really, 436 00:22:06,925 --> 00:22:09,260 "I want to know what's in it. Open it up. 437 00:22:09,294 --> 00:22:11,095 I want to see what's in it." 438 00:22:11,129 --> 00:22:13,698 I started asking questions about that box. 439 00:22:13,765 --> 00:22:15,633 That's when everything changed. 440 00:22:15,701 --> 00:22:18,836 I seriously can't know what's in here? 441 00:22:20,706 --> 00:22:22,873 I said it's none of your business! 442 00:22:24,209 --> 00:22:26,911 He grabbed it out of my hands. 443 00:22:26,978 --> 00:22:28,846 "Don't you ever touch that box again. 444 00:22:28,914 --> 00:22:31,649 That is my private property. You don't touch it." 445 00:22:32,784 --> 00:22:34,352 I almost felt like he was gonna 446 00:22:34,419 --> 00:22:36,554 take it and hit me with it, honestly. 447 00:22:36,588 --> 00:22:39,190 And it scared me. 448 00:22:39,224 --> 00:22:41,892 And he told me, "Don't you ever touch this again. 449 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,128 You know what will happen to you." 450 00:22:44,162 --> 00:22:45,963 And I knew what he was referring to. 451 00:22:45,997 --> 00:22:48,599 He was referring to putting me in the swamp. 452 00:22:48,667 --> 00:22:50,868 Unless you want to go see Terry, 453 00:22:50,936 --> 00:22:52,303 because that can be arranged. 454 00:22:53,505 --> 00:22:56,006 ROBYN: At first I thought there was maybe just, like, Playboy 455 00:22:56,074 --> 00:22:57,908 magazines in that box he didn't want me to see. 456 00:22:57,943 --> 00:23:00,311 But the box itself was heavy. 457 00:23:00,379 --> 00:23:03,381 So there's gotta be something in that box that he's hiding 458 00:23:03,415 --> 00:23:06,817 that, if anybody else found it, 459 00:23:06,885 --> 00:23:08,819 they would know beyond a shadow of a doubt 460 00:23:08,854 --> 00:23:11,422 that he was involved with Terry's disappearance. 461 00:23:11,456 --> 00:23:12,790 I was so curious. 462 00:23:12,858 --> 00:23:14,191 I wanted to know what was in it, 463 00:23:14,226 --> 00:23:15,960 but I was too afraid to look. 464 00:23:15,994 --> 00:23:19,864 Even if he wasn't home and didn't know that I got into it, 465 00:23:20,999 --> 00:23:23,234 I still didn't do it, because I knew that maybe he set it 466 00:23:23,301 --> 00:23:25,269 a certain way that if I moved it, 467 00:23:25,337 --> 00:23:26,470 he would see. 468 00:23:26,505 --> 00:23:28,839 I was too afraid and I never -- 469 00:23:28,907 --> 00:23:30,775 Never did know what was in that box. 470 00:23:42,354 --> 00:23:44,989 I gave Craig a gun cabinet for his birthday one year 471 00:23:45,023 --> 00:23:48,359 that had keys, it was one of those glass fronts on the top, 472 00:23:48,393 --> 00:23:50,594 and then on the bottom it was like a locked 473 00:23:50,662 --> 00:23:51,896 little compartment. 474 00:23:54,332 --> 00:23:56,233 And he took those keys and never 475 00:23:56,301 --> 00:23:58,502 allowed me to into that gun cabinet. 476 00:23:58,570 --> 00:24:00,204 I didn't think too much of it until 477 00:24:00,272 --> 00:24:03,707 our marriage started getting worse and worse and worse. 478 00:24:03,742 --> 00:24:05,876 And I started getting more afraid of what was 479 00:24:05,944 --> 00:24:07,178 gonna happen. 480 00:24:07,212 --> 00:24:09,547 And it kind of made me determined that I wanted 481 00:24:09,581 --> 00:24:11,682 to know what he's hiding in that gun cabinet. 482 00:24:13,051 --> 00:24:15,619 Well, I was home alone a lot, too, when he was at work, 483 00:24:15,654 --> 00:24:16,787 so I found a way in. 484 00:24:18,156 --> 00:24:19,290 I unscrew the hinges. 485 00:24:21,827 --> 00:24:23,627 Took the door off. 486 00:24:26,865 --> 00:24:28,265 There was a little black gun in there 487 00:24:28,333 --> 00:24:31,268 that I don't know where that came from. 488 00:24:36,274 --> 00:24:38,843 I'd never seen this gun before. 489 00:24:38,910 --> 00:24:41,846 And so that kind of made me a little nervous. 490 00:24:41,913 --> 00:24:43,414 It scared me, because I thought, what is he 491 00:24:43,448 --> 00:24:45,049 doing with this gun that I don't know about? 492 00:24:45,116 --> 00:24:47,418 And it was a little gun -- It was only, like, this big. 493 00:24:47,452 --> 00:24:51,021 Behind the glass, there was two guns. 494 00:24:51,089 --> 00:24:54,959 There was a .22 rifle and a shotgun. 495 00:24:54,993 --> 00:24:56,293 You could see those guns. 496 00:24:56,328 --> 00:24:58,229 There was no reason to hide those guns. 497 00:24:58,296 --> 00:25:00,564 Why was he hiding this gun? 498 00:25:00,632 --> 00:25:04,401 It was hidden from me for a reason. 499 00:25:04,469 --> 00:25:06,570 And I thought that that was the gun that he was 500 00:25:06,638 --> 00:25:09,874 gonna kill me with, because it was small enough to hide, 501 00:25:09,941 --> 00:25:12,576 easy to get rid of, I imagine. 502 00:25:12,644 --> 00:25:15,179 [car door shuts] 503 00:25:15,247 --> 00:25:16,280 Damn it. 504 00:25:16,314 --> 00:25:18,649 ROBYN: I had to be meticulous 505 00:25:18,683 --> 00:25:21,485 and put each hinge right back where it was. 506 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,755 I just made sure everything was perfect. 507 00:25:24,823 --> 00:25:28,058 If Craig saw me in that gun cabinet, I would have been dead. 508 00:25:28,093 --> 00:25:29,260 I know he wanted me dead. 509 00:25:29,294 --> 00:25:31,662 I know that for a fact. 510 00:25:31,730 --> 00:25:35,165 I have no doubt -- He told me many times. 511 00:25:46,811 --> 00:25:49,079 I can't say that there was physically 512 00:25:49,147 --> 00:25:50,581 no way for me to leave him, 513 00:25:50,615 --> 00:25:52,950 but he had broken me down. 514 00:25:52,984 --> 00:25:56,620 I was so broken that I didn't care anymore. 515 00:25:56,655 --> 00:26:00,691 One night, he went out, he came home in a rage. 516 00:26:02,661 --> 00:26:03,894 I was watching the TV. 517 00:26:03,962 --> 00:26:06,564 He walked in front of me, went down under that gun cabinet, 518 00:26:06,631 --> 00:26:07,965 took the gun out. 519 00:26:08,033 --> 00:26:09,900 Didn't say a word. Didn't even look at me. 520 00:26:12,837 --> 00:26:15,673 I expected him to just turn around and shoot me, 521 00:26:15,740 --> 00:26:18,175 but he didn't even look at me. 522 00:26:18,243 --> 00:26:21,478 He didn't even acknowledge my existence. 523 00:26:22,514 --> 00:26:24,048 Went out the front door, 524 00:26:24,115 --> 00:26:26,650 shot it in the air, like, three or four times. 525 00:26:27,886 --> 00:26:30,454 [three gunshots blast] 526 00:26:30,488 --> 00:26:33,490 [breathing heavily] 527 00:26:33,525 --> 00:26:36,627 Walked back in, put the gun back in the gun cabinet, 528 00:26:36,695 --> 00:26:37,628 and left. 529 00:26:39,698 --> 00:26:41,632 It scared me. 530 00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:43,634 I was just sitting in the -- On the couch, looking at 531 00:26:43,702 --> 00:26:48,238 the TV, hoping that maybe if I ignored it, it would go away. 532 00:26:51,142 --> 00:26:54,878 I honestly think that that night either he was going to 533 00:26:54,946 --> 00:26:58,115 shoot me and lost his nerve and decided to go do that, 534 00:26:58,149 --> 00:27:00,117 you know, shoot it in the air, 535 00:27:00,151 --> 00:27:05,122 or maybe it was just to let me know that it's coming. 536 00:27:05,156 --> 00:27:07,891 When he left, I went out there, and I looked on the ground, 537 00:27:07,959 --> 00:27:09,860 and I saw the casings there where he had shot, 538 00:27:09,928 --> 00:27:11,762 and I picked them all up. 539 00:27:11,796 --> 00:27:13,998 I gave a couple to a friend, 540 00:27:14,032 --> 00:27:16,333 and I said, "If anything happens to me, 541 00:27:16,401 --> 00:27:17,901 this is the gun they came out of." 542 00:27:19,137 --> 00:27:21,939 I just figured if somebody had these casings, 543 00:27:22,007 --> 00:27:24,341 at least somebody will know what happened to me. 544 00:27:24,376 --> 00:27:26,176 I won't be like Terry. 545 00:27:26,244 --> 00:27:28,979 They won't have to wonder if Craig did it. 546 00:27:29,047 --> 00:27:31,682 That way, he won't get away with at least this murder. 547 00:27:37,355 --> 00:27:39,590 ROBYN: I knew he was gonna kill me. 548 00:27:39,624 --> 00:27:42,326 The way he looked at me that last time, he was going to 549 00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:46,330 kill me -- it was gonna happen very soon. 550 00:27:46,398 --> 00:27:50,334 One night, when he was especially crazy, 551 00:27:50,402 --> 00:27:52,269 I was laying in the bed, 552 00:27:52,337 --> 00:27:55,305 I heard Craig come in drunk, and I just pretended I was asleep. 553 00:27:55,373 --> 00:28:02,346 ♪ 554 00:28:02,414 --> 00:28:04,748 And I heard him in the gun cabinet. 555 00:28:08,820 --> 00:28:09,920 When I heard him go in the living room 556 00:28:09,988 --> 00:28:13,457 in the gun cabinet, I sat up, and I just watched him. 557 00:28:16,161 --> 00:28:19,697 He had his .22 in his hand, and he was walking around the house, 558 00:28:19,764 --> 00:28:21,799 unscrewing the light bulbs, 559 00:28:21,866 --> 00:28:25,536 all the way out, not anger, smashing them. 560 00:28:25,603 --> 00:28:27,337 Just -- he would just take them out, 561 00:28:27,405 --> 00:28:31,408 put 'em on the ground or on the table, wherever he was, 562 00:28:31,476 --> 00:28:33,610 and just go on to the next. 563 00:28:33,645 --> 00:28:36,914 I watched him do it in the kitchen, down the hallway, 564 00:28:36,948 --> 00:28:38,449 watched him go into the living room. 565 00:28:38,483 --> 00:28:39,817 The lights went off -- I watched him go 566 00:28:39,884 --> 00:28:41,819 into the bathroom, and the light went off. 567 00:28:41,853 --> 00:28:45,689 He was very methodical. This was planned. 568 00:28:48,893 --> 00:28:50,227 I could hear my heartbeat. 569 00:28:50,261 --> 00:28:52,463 I could feel my heartbeat in my ears. 570 00:28:54,432 --> 00:28:56,133 Just dunh dunh, and then it got faster. 571 00:28:56,201 --> 00:28:57,334 And I thought, what am I gonna do? 572 00:28:57,402 --> 00:28:59,837 How am I gonna get out of this? 573 00:29:00,905 --> 00:29:04,141 And weird thing is right about then, 574 00:29:04,209 --> 00:29:06,844 Tina, my daughter, called me. - [phone ringing] 575 00:29:06,911 --> 00:29:09,446 My first thought was, "I have to shut this phone up. 576 00:29:09,481 --> 00:29:10,514 "I have to shut this phone up. 577 00:29:10,582 --> 00:29:11,782 "If I do not shut this phone up, 578 00:29:11,850 --> 00:29:13,117 he's coming this way." 579 00:29:13,184 --> 00:29:14,585 Tina. 580 00:29:14,619 --> 00:29:16,120 She said, "I just had a weird feeling 581 00:29:16,154 --> 00:29:17,721 I needed to call you." 582 00:29:17,756 --> 00:29:19,757 I said, "He's gonna kill me. 583 00:29:19,824 --> 00:29:21,291 "He's gonna kill me tonight. 584 00:29:21,326 --> 00:29:25,295 He's unscrewing light bulbs, he's got a gun, I'm gonna die." 585 00:29:25,363 --> 00:29:26,630 What do I do? 586 00:29:26,664 --> 00:29:29,800 And she said, "Hang up the phone and get out of that house." 587 00:29:29,868 --> 00:29:31,602 As soon as I got off the phone with her, 588 00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:33,570 and I just looked around, and I didn't see him. 589 00:29:34,672 --> 00:29:37,141 He went out the front door, and he went to 590 00:29:37,208 --> 00:29:38,342 cut the phone line. 591 00:29:38,409 --> 00:29:40,344 When he went out the front door, 592 00:29:40,378 --> 00:29:42,813 I ran out the back door and around and down 593 00:29:42,847 --> 00:29:47,351 the street and waited for Tina to come pick me up. 594 00:29:47,385 --> 00:29:49,419 Tina was having marital problems. 595 00:29:49,454 --> 00:29:53,791 So she moved down here, because she had nowhere else to go. 596 00:29:53,858 --> 00:29:55,826 And I got in her car, and we went to her house. 597 00:29:55,894 --> 00:29:58,095 She saved me, because I was gonna die that night. 598 00:29:58,129 --> 00:30:00,063 I have no doubt. She had no doubt. 599 00:30:00,098 --> 00:30:01,665 We both knew. 600 00:30:09,140 --> 00:30:10,841 I was scared to death to go back to that house, 601 00:30:10,909 --> 00:30:13,243 and I knew I needed to get a restraining order on him. 602 00:30:14,813 --> 00:30:17,748 When we went into the hearing, Craig had to be there, 603 00:30:17,782 --> 00:30:21,585 and the judge said, "Why are you afraid of him? 604 00:30:21,619 --> 00:30:23,520 Why are you so scared he's gonna kill you?" 605 00:30:23,555 --> 00:30:27,157 And I said, "Because he killed his cousin. 606 00:30:27,192 --> 00:30:28,892 He's killed before. 607 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,228 The judge says, "Well, how do you know that?" 608 00:30:31,262 --> 00:30:35,332 "Because he told me -- he told me he killed his cousin." 609 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,001 How about it Mr. Thrift? You a murderer? 610 00:30:38,069 --> 00:30:43,640 ♪ 611 00:30:43,675 --> 00:30:46,143 This is not exaggeration. Craig said... 612 00:30:49,647 --> 00:30:52,416 "Did you find a body yet?" Just like that. 613 00:30:55,353 --> 00:30:59,289 Just arrogant, like, hm, can't touch me. 614 00:30:59,324 --> 00:31:02,226 That is not the actions of an innocent person. 615 00:31:03,294 --> 00:31:05,863 And still the judge didn't believe me. 616 00:31:05,930 --> 00:31:08,565 I don't see any prior police reports nor 617 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,468 do I see evidence of a threat here. 618 00:31:11,536 --> 00:31:13,370 He said, "Well, I've thought about it, 619 00:31:13,438 --> 00:31:15,706 "and I don't believe a word you say. 620 00:31:15,773 --> 00:31:18,108 "So we're going to err on the side 621 00:31:18,176 --> 00:31:20,844 "of caution and give you the restraining order, 622 00:31:20,912 --> 00:31:25,182 but you have two weeks to get out of that house." 623 00:31:25,216 --> 00:31:27,384 Two weeks. 624 00:31:27,418 --> 00:31:31,054 Craig took it that the judge was on his side and he could be 625 00:31:31,089 --> 00:31:33,523 just showing me, like, look at this, girl, 626 00:31:33,558 --> 00:31:35,993 I can say this to this judge in a public courtroom, 627 00:31:36,027 --> 00:31:37,861 and they still don't believe you. 628 00:31:47,171 --> 00:31:49,573 That Friday night, when I got the restraining order, 629 00:31:49,641 --> 00:31:52,976 I had talked to Tina on the phone, and she said, "Good, 630 00:31:53,044 --> 00:31:54,878 "I'm glad you got the restraining order. 631 00:31:54,946 --> 00:31:57,080 I'll be over in a little while." 632 00:31:57,115 --> 00:31:58,482 Well, she never came. 633 00:31:58,516 --> 00:32:02,219 And I thought, oh, she must have got sidetracked or whatever. 634 00:32:02,287 --> 00:32:04,655 And then the next day I had gotten 635 00:32:04,689 --> 00:32:07,557 a phone call from one of Tina's other friends. 636 00:32:07,625 --> 00:32:09,092 [phone ringing] 637 00:32:09,127 --> 00:32:10,727 Hello? 638 00:32:11,696 --> 00:32:13,864 And he said, "You better go down to Tina's 639 00:32:13,932 --> 00:32:16,099 "boyfriend's house, because there's police 640 00:32:16,167 --> 00:32:19,436 everywhere, and something's going on." 641 00:32:19,504 --> 00:32:20,570 I'll be right there. 642 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,008 I went down there, and I saw the police. 643 00:32:28,613 --> 00:32:31,181 And I thought, what the heck? 644 00:32:33,318 --> 00:32:36,053 There's police tape everywhere. 645 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,557 And I walked up, and the woman said, "Are you Robyn?" 646 00:32:40,625 --> 00:32:41,591 I said yes. 647 00:32:43,294 --> 00:32:44,494 Said, "Are you Tina's mother?" 648 00:32:44,562 --> 00:32:46,029 I said yes. 649 00:32:46,064 --> 00:32:48,699 She said, "Well, she's deceased." 650 00:32:51,436 --> 00:32:52,569 I was like, "Well just let me in there. 651 00:32:52,637 --> 00:32:54,304 "I can -- I can -- I can fi-- I can help her. 652 00:32:54,372 --> 00:32:56,006 Just let me go in there." 653 00:32:56,074 --> 00:32:58,008 I know it sounds crazy. 654 00:32:58,076 --> 00:33:00,210 But when you're in that minute, 655 00:33:00,278 --> 00:33:01,845 your brain doesn't want to accept it. 656 00:33:01,913 --> 00:33:04,114 I heard the word, but my brain didn't accept it. 657 00:33:04,182 --> 00:33:05,816 So I thought, I'll just fix it. 658 00:33:05,883 --> 00:33:07,217 I'll just go fix it. I can help her. 659 00:33:07,285 --> 00:33:09,419 Let me -- let me go take care of her. 660 00:33:09,454 --> 00:33:15,359 ♪ 661 00:33:15,393 --> 00:33:17,561 The only thing she said was, "It's a crime scene. 662 00:33:17,628 --> 00:33:19,463 You can't go in there." 663 00:33:19,530 --> 00:33:21,465 And I thought crime scene? 664 00:33:21,532 --> 00:33:23,100 Then it hit me. 665 00:33:26,204 --> 00:33:29,473 I never saw her. They never let me see her. 666 00:33:29,540 --> 00:33:34,511 They immediately took her directly to Atlanta for autopsy. 667 00:33:36,614 --> 00:33:39,082 Tina died of a massive drug overdose. 668 00:33:40,318 --> 00:33:43,487 When I did realize that it was drug overdose, 669 00:33:43,521 --> 00:33:47,858 I knew physically, Craig wasn't involved as far as I didn't 670 00:33:47,925 --> 00:33:50,427 picture him standing over her, killing her. 671 00:33:52,730 --> 00:33:55,932 But she died of the same drugs that he did. 672 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,802 And I do know that 673 00:33:58,870 --> 00:34:00,604 she got the drugs from him. 674 00:34:02,573 --> 00:34:04,541 The timing was ridiculous. 675 00:34:04,609 --> 00:34:06,910 Restraining order. She's dead. 676 00:34:09,647 --> 00:34:12,516 That doesn't just happen out of nowhere. 677 00:34:24,896 --> 00:34:26,730 Friday, the restraining order. 678 00:34:26,798 --> 00:34:29,466 Saturday, we found Tina. 679 00:34:29,500 --> 00:34:31,701 The next Sunday, I had gone right to church. 680 00:34:34,138 --> 00:34:36,506 His father was a deacon in the -- in that church, 681 00:34:36,574 --> 00:34:39,609 and I went and talked to his dad 682 00:34:39,677 --> 00:34:41,511 and his wife and told them what 683 00:34:41,579 --> 00:34:42,913 happened with Tina. 684 00:34:42,980 --> 00:34:46,783 I don't know if you heard -- Tina overdosed. 685 00:34:46,818 --> 00:34:48,318 Does Craig know this? 686 00:34:50,688 --> 00:34:52,789 No, I haven't told him. 687 00:34:52,857 --> 00:34:55,859 ROBYN: And his dad had called right there, 688 00:34:55,927 --> 00:34:57,160 right while I was standing there, 689 00:34:57,195 --> 00:34:59,396 he called Craig and said, "I just 690 00:34:59,464 --> 00:35:01,731 "want you to know that Robin's daughter, 691 00:35:01,766 --> 00:35:03,467 Tina, died last night." 692 00:35:03,534 --> 00:35:08,905 And he said, "Good. Bitch deserved it." 693 00:35:08,973 --> 00:35:11,541 I could hear it over the phone. 694 00:35:11,576 --> 00:35:13,376 That was his exact words. 695 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,916 What kind of human being is that cold, to say that? 696 00:35:19,984 --> 00:35:21,685 Why don't you take a few moments? 697 00:35:23,554 --> 00:35:24,821 Thank you. 698 00:35:26,624 --> 00:35:29,025 ROBYN: Sometimes, when I think about that conversation... 699 00:35:30,428 --> 00:35:32,829 sometimes, my brain goes to -- 700 00:35:32,897 --> 00:35:36,266 That he said "She deserves it." 701 00:35:36,334 --> 00:35:38,135 Or "She deserved it." 702 00:35:38,202 --> 00:35:41,972 If he said deserves with an "s," 703 00:35:42,039 --> 00:35:44,608 he meant that I deserve it. 704 00:35:44,675 --> 00:35:48,712 I deserve to have my daughter dead. 705 00:35:48,746 --> 00:35:52,516 If he said deserved with a "d," 706 00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:55,352 Then he meant that Tina deserved to be dead. 707 00:35:58,656 --> 00:36:02,559 There is a big part of me that believes that Craig 708 00:36:02,627 --> 00:36:05,395 gave Tina something that he knew 709 00:36:05,463 --> 00:36:07,497 that she couldn't come back from. 710 00:36:07,532 --> 00:36:10,901 For what reason, I can only speculate. 711 00:36:10,968 --> 00:36:15,839 He could have wanted her to go away because she knew too much. 712 00:36:17,108 --> 00:36:19,309 I'm not gonna sit here and say 713 00:36:19,343 --> 00:36:21,244 Craig did this on purpose, and he killed my daughter. 714 00:36:21,312 --> 00:36:24,314 Because I don't know. But my brain goes there. 715 00:36:25,950 --> 00:36:28,118 I will never forgive myself for this situation. 716 00:36:29,220 --> 00:36:30,787 Never. 717 00:36:34,458 --> 00:36:40,297 The first realization that he was watching me -- 718 00:36:40,364 --> 00:36:43,166 I started seeing Craig drive slowly past my house 719 00:36:43,234 --> 00:36:45,235 back and forth every now and then, 720 00:36:45,303 --> 00:36:47,270 and I was afraid of what he had planned. 721 00:36:48,739 --> 00:36:52,509 I was afraid to go out and check my mail. 722 00:36:52,577 --> 00:36:54,177 I was afraid to go to work. 723 00:36:54,245 --> 00:36:55,278 I was afraid to go home. 724 00:36:55,346 --> 00:36:57,581 I was afraid to not be home. 725 00:36:57,615 --> 00:37:00,050 I was afraid to go to the store, 726 00:37:00,117 --> 00:37:01,851 because I didn't know if he was behind me, 727 00:37:01,886 --> 00:37:03,720 if he was ahead of me, if he's over there 728 00:37:03,754 --> 00:37:07,090 behind that bush -- He's capable of anything. 729 00:37:08,226 --> 00:37:12,062 I had my friend come stay with me at that point. 730 00:37:12,096 --> 00:37:13,997 She would watch, and I would watch, 731 00:37:14,031 --> 00:37:15,832 and I would sleep, and she would sleep. 732 00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:18,902 I took pictures of him driving by 733 00:37:18,970 --> 00:37:22,305 in his truck with that little black gun. 734 00:37:22,373 --> 00:37:25,609 Went directly to the judge. 735 00:37:25,643 --> 00:37:27,310 The first thing the judge says, "Well, you can't 736 00:37:27,345 --> 00:37:29,646 prove that that's his truck or him in the truck." 737 00:37:30,881 --> 00:37:32,816 "What do you mean? I have a picture that's showing you 738 00:37:32,883 --> 00:37:33,817 right here!" 739 00:37:33,884 --> 00:37:36,186 "But you can't prove it." 740 00:37:36,254 --> 00:37:38,488 I don't know what else to do. 741 00:37:38,522 --> 00:37:40,223 What else can I do? 742 00:37:43,427 --> 00:37:46,863 There was no peace for me, and I didn't -- 743 00:37:46,897 --> 00:37:48,565 I didn't know what to do about it. 744 00:37:48,633 --> 00:37:52,369 Look what he got away with before for 20 damn years. 745 00:37:52,436 --> 00:37:54,971 I didn't know how to defend myself. 746 00:37:55,039 --> 00:37:57,240 I don't know how to fight. 747 00:37:57,308 --> 00:38:00,944 So all I could do is hope that someone would come and help me. 748 00:38:12,156 --> 00:38:14,124 Not even a year later, 749 00:38:14,158 --> 00:38:16,760 maybe about four or five months, 750 00:38:16,827 --> 00:38:21,131 I was contacted by the detective from Ware County. 751 00:38:21,198 --> 00:38:26,036 ♪ 752 00:38:26,103 --> 00:38:27,971 That's when they started questioning me about what 753 00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:30,840 I knew about what Craig had done with Terry. 754 00:38:30,875 --> 00:38:34,911 I don't understand -- what's changed after all this time? 755 00:38:34,945 --> 00:38:39,215 I asked, I said, "What would make you come now, talk to me?" 756 00:38:39,250 --> 00:38:42,352 She said, "Well we are under the understanding that 757 00:38:42,386 --> 00:38:45,655 in open court, you accused him of killing Terry." 758 00:38:45,723 --> 00:38:48,391 My stomach dropped right there. 759 00:38:48,426 --> 00:38:51,227 At the time when I said that Craig had killed his cousin, 760 00:38:51,262 --> 00:38:52,829 the judge asked me a question. 761 00:38:52,897 --> 00:38:54,531 I gave him the honest answer. 762 00:38:54,598 --> 00:38:57,867 I didn't think that it was going any further, and someone 763 00:38:57,935 --> 00:39:00,203 had told someone who told someone, 764 00:39:00,271 --> 00:39:03,039 and it got back to the detectives in Ware County. 765 00:39:03,107 --> 00:39:06,276 - You're saying he did this? - Yes. 766 00:39:06,344 --> 00:39:08,445 ROBYN: They asked me if Craig said 767 00:39:08,479 --> 00:39:11,147 anything to me ever about admitting it. 768 00:39:11,215 --> 00:39:14,117 Um, if I did, what he said, how he said it. 769 00:39:14,185 --> 00:39:15,652 They asked me all kinds of stuff. 770 00:39:15,686 --> 00:39:18,088 He always says that he's gonna put me 771 00:39:18,122 --> 00:39:19,723 in the swamp just like Terry. 772 00:39:21,392 --> 00:39:24,227 ROBYN: I told the truth, and that's all I could do. 773 00:39:24,261 --> 00:39:27,263 It was time for all this to stop. 774 00:39:27,331 --> 00:39:33,169 It was time for Terry's family to stop wondering. 775 00:39:43,547 --> 00:39:47,283 I didn't know that so many people were testifying. 776 00:39:47,318 --> 00:39:49,586 I thought I was basically the only one. 777 00:39:49,620 --> 00:39:53,289 But all the people in our group were contacted 778 00:39:53,324 --> 00:39:55,191 by law enforcement, and they all 779 00:39:55,226 --> 00:39:59,496 started testifying, and I could not believe everyone had 780 00:39:59,563 --> 00:40:04,434 the exact same story of what he said to us about how, where, 781 00:40:04,502 --> 00:40:06,736 when with Terry's murder. 782 00:40:06,804 --> 00:40:10,206 He would talk about this, say this to everyone. 783 00:40:12,476 --> 00:40:16,780 His mistake was not keeping his secret to himself. 784 00:40:31,495 --> 00:40:34,431 Now it's 10 years since then. 785 00:40:35,900 --> 00:40:37,033 To this day, 786 00:40:37,101 --> 00:40:40,837 I feel, if he ever gets out of prison, he's coming. 787 00:40:43,073 --> 00:40:45,074 I go online every now and then look up 788 00:40:45,142 --> 00:40:47,510 the offender search 789 00:40:47,545 --> 00:40:50,180 just to make sure he's still in there, because 790 00:40:50,214 --> 00:40:52,315 I do worry that he will get paroled one day. 791 00:40:53,951 --> 00:40:59,622 He was actually eligible for parole in May of 2019. 792 00:41:01,125 --> 00:41:04,093 And I don't know how far he will go to try to find me, 793 00:41:04,128 --> 00:41:08,431 because all he's got right now is time to be angry, and when he 794 00:41:08,499 --> 00:41:10,467 only had a little bit of time to be angry, 795 00:41:10,534 --> 00:41:11,801 it was bad enough. 796 00:41:11,869 --> 00:41:14,204 But now here's years of him being angry. 797 00:41:14,271 --> 00:41:16,739 If he ever gets out, I'm dead. 798 00:41:16,807 --> 00:41:23,146 ♪ 799 00:41:23,214 --> 00:41:25,348 I have guns in my house. 800 00:41:25,382 --> 00:41:27,283 I know exactly where they are. 801 00:41:27,351 --> 00:41:29,719 I know exactly how to use them, and I am ready, 802 00:41:29,753 --> 00:41:31,254 just in case. 803 00:41:31,288 --> 00:41:34,624 When I think of everything I went through, 804 00:41:34,692 --> 00:41:37,794 I would never have believed that I married someone like that. 805 00:41:41,232 --> 00:41:44,300 The truth set me free from that situation. 806 00:41:44,368 --> 00:41:49,272 But it's hard to live now with that knowing. 807 00:41:51,642 --> 00:41:55,512 Telling this story made me realize that I have 808 00:41:55,579 --> 00:41:57,347 been blaming myself for a whole lot of things 809 00:41:57,381 --> 00:41:59,182 that weren't my fault, 810 00:41:59,250 --> 00:42:00,884 and there's a little bit of more work to do 811 00:42:00,951 --> 00:42:04,087 to try to forgive myself for certain things, 812 00:42:04,121 --> 00:42:08,124 but I think this is, like, a real -- 813 00:42:08,158 --> 00:42:10,860 This is a real good thing for me. 814 00:42:10,928 --> 00:42:13,129 This is gonna allow me to have a life 815 00:42:13,197 --> 00:42:15,431 and get out of all this. 816 00:42:17,635 --> 00:42:19,969 Thanks. 817 00:42:20,037 --> 00:42:22,372 [exhales heavily] I'm sorry.