1 00:00:03,103 --> 00:00:07,373 There's a law called double jeopardy, that once you have 2 00:00:07,474 --> 00:00:11,543 been tried for a crime and acquitted, 3 00:00:11,644 --> 00:00:15,047 you cannot be re-charged with that crime. 4 00:00:16,516 --> 00:00:17,483 My dad's innocent. 5 00:00:17,584 --> 00:00:22,488 He was proven innocent -- After my dad actually 6 00:00:22,589 --> 00:00:25,624 finally confessed, it was a true gut punch. 7 00:00:25,725 --> 00:00:29,995 I -- I don't think I've ever had that feeling in my entire life. 8 00:00:30,096 --> 00:00:33,966 I'm not sure if I ever will again. 9 00:00:34,067 --> 00:00:36,335 He did it, and he got away with it, 10 00:00:36,436 --> 00:00:40,139 and how he kept his composure and carried on -- 11 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,141 I don't know how you can do that. 12 00:00:44,911 --> 00:00:46,979 He let us down as a father. 13 00:01:04,197 --> 00:01:07,599 We absolutely knew she had everything to do with it. 14 00:01:07,700 --> 00:01:12,337 She's been a liar all her life and a manipulator. 15 00:01:12,439 --> 00:01:16,341 No doubt in my mind, she was responsible for this. 16 00:01:17,944 --> 00:01:22,381 I have such hatred for Mary Ann Shore 17 00:01:22,482 --> 00:01:24,850 and what she did to our family. 18 00:01:26,052 --> 00:01:29,888 I have no doubt in my mind that she 19 00:01:29,989 --> 00:01:33,859 was an evil person for the majority of her life. 20 00:01:35,495 --> 00:01:37,296 [The Paper Chase's "What's So Amazing About Grace?" plays] 21 00:01:37,397 --> 00:01:41,133 [strings continue playing sinister tune] 22 00:01:41,234 --> 00:01:43,135 [static crackling] 23 00:01:46,339 --> 00:01:48,006 [knock at door] [creaking] 24 00:01:48,108 --> 00:01:53,178 [banging on door] 25 00:01:53,279 --> 00:01:58,450 [creaking] 26 00:01:58,551 --> 00:02:01,153 [water dripping] 27 00:02:01,254 --> 00:02:03,822 [banging on door] [creaking] 28 00:02:03,923 --> 00:02:05,324 [sinister chord strikes] 29 00:02:13,833 --> 00:02:18,170 When I see these photos of my dad, it still is extremely 30 00:02:18,271 --> 00:02:22,541 hard to believe that he did what he did to another 31 00:02:22,642 --> 00:02:23,842 human being. 32 00:02:23,943 --> 00:02:26,478 I don't see it in him. 33 00:02:26,579 --> 00:02:31,450 My dad always came across as being very happy, you know, 34 00:02:31,551 --> 00:02:33,252 good personality, 35 00:02:33,353 --> 00:02:38,590 you know, he was never a grumpy person or sad. 36 00:02:38,691 --> 00:02:42,194 He would sit on the couch and watch TV, 37 00:02:42,295 --> 00:02:43,395 and he'd laugh and, you know, 38 00:02:43,496 --> 00:02:46,565 he seemed generally happy as a person. 39 00:02:48,201 --> 00:02:52,905 But when my mom and dad got divorced in 1973, and he took 40 00:02:53,006 --> 00:02:56,241 custody of myself and my sisters, 41 00:02:56,342 --> 00:02:57,843 things changed. 42 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,248 [ominous music playing] 43 00:03:12,792 --> 00:03:16,361 Out in public, he was a nice, likeable guy, 44 00:03:16,462 --> 00:03:21,266 but at home, my dad was a little bit different. 45 00:03:22,402 --> 00:03:25,003 I would consider him to be a control freak. 46 00:03:25,104 --> 00:03:28,640 He wanted everything his way. 47 00:03:28,741 --> 00:03:33,245 Chores that you had to do, if they weren't done perfect, 48 00:03:33,346 --> 00:03:35,447 he yelled a lot at us. 49 00:03:37,150 --> 00:03:38,650 When my dad would come home, 50 00:03:38,751 --> 00:03:42,387 he would go immediately into our bedrooms and inspect to see 51 00:03:42,488 --> 00:03:45,624 if they were clean up to his standards. 52 00:03:45,725 --> 00:03:47,826 Junior! 53 00:03:47,927 --> 00:03:49,661 MICHAEL: And when he called me Junior, 54 00:03:49,762 --> 00:03:52,531 I knew something was not right. 55 00:03:52,632 --> 00:03:55,200 It was not going to be good. 56 00:03:55,301 --> 00:03:57,469 I thought I told you to clean up in here! 57 00:03:57,604 --> 00:04:00,472 You can see the stress, you know, his face would get 58 00:04:00,573 --> 00:04:04,576 a little red, veins are kind of popping out on his neck. 59 00:04:04,677 --> 00:04:06,778 He would call me stupid. 60 00:04:06,879 --> 00:04:09,548 The intimidation factor of him being 61 00:04:09,649 --> 00:04:11,516 in your face and yelling at you, 62 00:04:11,618 --> 00:04:13,118 it is a scary thing. 63 00:04:13,219 --> 00:04:16,922 You can't follow simple instructions, can you? 64 00:04:17,023 --> 00:04:19,224 MICHAEL: My dad really never hit us, 65 00:04:19,325 --> 00:04:22,027 but I almost felt like I'd rather have gotten a spanking 66 00:04:22,128 --> 00:04:23,895 and be done with it than have 67 00:04:23,997 --> 00:04:29,134 to be yelled and mentally berated every day, 68 00:04:29,235 --> 00:04:31,436 and he would just say, 69 00:04:31,537 --> 00:04:35,073 "You've got 15 minutes to get this clean, and I'll be back to 70 00:04:35,174 --> 00:04:36,275 take a look at it." 71 00:04:36,376 --> 00:04:39,411 There had better not be a speck of dust in here. 72 00:04:39,512 --> 00:04:40,612 You got me? 73 00:04:44,350 --> 00:04:46,184 And so -- and then he would turn around and leave, 74 00:04:46,286 --> 00:04:49,855 and you would be doing everything you can to get it 75 00:04:49,956 --> 00:04:52,557 fixed the way he wanted it perfectly. 76 00:04:52,659 --> 00:04:55,427 But he would not let us get 77 00:04:55,528 --> 00:04:58,330 the vacuum cleaner out and vacuum the floor. 78 00:04:58,431 --> 00:04:59,931 We had to physically pick up -- 79 00:05:00,033 --> 00:05:02,000 Like it was a punishment to us. 80 00:05:03,469 --> 00:05:05,904 It was a tough time in my life. 81 00:05:06,005 --> 00:05:07,439 There were a lot -- A lot of days 82 00:05:07,540 --> 00:05:09,608 it just wasn't fun to be in that house. 83 00:05:12,011 --> 00:05:13,312 [sighs heavily] 84 00:05:15,014 --> 00:05:16,715 [sniffles] 85 00:05:16,816 --> 00:05:18,450 To talk about it, yeah, 86 00:05:18,551 --> 00:05:22,054 you'd just rather be beat sometimes than to have to put up 87 00:05:22,155 --> 00:05:23,488 with that [bleep]. 88 00:05:23,623 --> 00:05:26,391 That is crazy. 89 00:05:26,492 --> 00:05:28,794 Okay. 90 00:05:31,597 --> 00:05:32,998 Ooh. 91 00:05:40,740 --> 00:05:42,274 The first time I met Mary Ann Shore 92 00:05:42,375 --> 00:05:45,944 was after my mom and dad got divorced. 93 00:05:46,045 --> 00:05:49,681 Uh, she was his secretary at work. 94 00:05:49,782 --> 00:05:51,283 She was probably in her 20s. 95 00:05:51,384 --> 00:05:53,952 My dad was maybe in his 30s, I guess. 96 00:05:55,355 --> 00:05:58,523 He used to go on business trips, and she 97 00:05:58,624 --> 00:06:01,093 was gonna watch us while he was out of town. 98 00:06:01,194 --> 00:06:03,995 She seemed very nice, but it didn't 99 00:06:04,097 --> 00:06:07,065 take long for her to quickly assert herself. 100 00:06:07,166 --> 00:06:10,268 She let you know that she was in charge. 101 00:06:10,370 --> 00:06:12,571 Big Alice Cooper fan, huh? 102 00:06:12,638 --> 00:06:15,073 Yeah, he's the best. 103 00:06:15,174 --> 00:06:16,675 AS MARY ANN: Yeah. I like him, too. 104 00:06:16,809 --> 00:06:20,645 And one of the first times I realized that 105 00:06:20,747 --> 00:06:25,984 Mary Ann Shore was not quite who I thought she was 106 00:06:26,085 --> 00:06:27,953 was one time she said I would... 107 00:06:28,054 --> 00:06:30,822 I will buy you every Alice Cooper album 108 00:06:30,923 --> 00:06:33,024 if you tell your dad how much you 109 00:06:33,126 --> 00:06:35,694 like me and how much you want me around. 110 00:06:35,795 --> 00:06:37,996 Sound good? 111 00:06:38,097 --> 00:06:41,133 MICHAEL: And if you don't, I will tell him about 112 00:06:41,234 --> 00:06:43,335 the cigarettes that I found in your room, 113 00:06:43,436 --> 00:06:46,304 and that kind of took me by surprise. 114 00:06:46,406 --> 00:06:48,740 Where did you get those? 115 00:06:48,841 --> 00:06:51,910 I basically pleaded with her to stay out of my room. 116 00:06:52,011 --> 00:06:54,980 It's none of your business. This is my stuff. 117 00:06:55,081 --> 00:06:58,450 She looked at me and laughed 118 00:06:58,551 --> 00:07:01,553 and said, "I can do whatever I want", 119 00:07:01,654 --> 00:07:06,091 "and if you don't do what I tell you or ask you to do, 120 00:07:06,192 --> 00:07:07,926 I will tell your dad." 121 00:07:08,027 --> 00:07:10,862 Who's he gonna believe, you or me? 122 00:07:10,963 --> 00:07:12,297 MICHAEL: That's scary. 123 00:07:12,398 --> 00:07:14,966 What are you gonna do as a young kid? 124 00:07:15,067 --> 00:07:17,536 If he found out that I was smoking, 125 00:07:17,637 --> 00:07:21,239 I couldn't even fathom how mad he would get. 126 00:07:21,340 --> 00:07:22,774 I was scared to death. 127 00:07:22,875 --> 00:07:24,176 Your dad comes home tomorrow. 128 00:07:25,578 --> 00:07:28,313 - Let me know what you decide. - MICHAEL: I did... 129 00:07:29,382 --> 00:07:32,217 whatever Mary Ann asked me to do. 130 00:07:32,318 --> 00:07:37,055 I would tell my dad great things about Mary Ann Shore... 131 00:07:37,156 --> 00:07:38,990 all the time, 132 00:07:39,091 --> 00:07:40,292 any time I could. 133 00:07:41,694 --> 00:07:43,895 I would say, "You know, I really like Mary Ann." 134 00:07:43,996 --> 00:07:45,664 "She's a really nice person. 135 00:07:45,765 --> 00:07:47,332 "She treats us well. 136 00:07:47,433 --> 00:07:50,535 "She takes care of us. She's really fun to be around. 137 00:07:50,636 --> 00:07:52,404 I really like her. You should keep her." 138 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:55,841 And it was just a flat-out lie. 139 00:07:55,942 --> 00:08:00,912 That was a huge turning point in me realizing 140 00:08:01,013 --> 00:08:03,915 that she was not to be trusted at all. 141 00:08:14,660 --> 00:08:18,196 There were some things that were happening around our house 142 00:08:18,297 --> 00:08:20,365 that were causing a lot of tension, 143 00:08:20,466 --> 00:08:23,134 things that we couldn't really explain. 144 00:08:23,236 --> 00:08:26,972 And a lot of it happened when my dad was gone. 145 00:08:27,073 --> 00:08:30,342 - What did you do with my shirt? - What shirt? 146 00:08:30,443 --> 00:08:32,344 MICHAEL: My sisters shared a room, 147 00:08:32,445 --> 00:08:35,981 and my oldest sister would have a shirt, you know, 148 00:08:36,082 --> 00:08:38,984 a really nice shirt, and somehow, it would 149 00:08:39,085 --> 00:08:41,887 end up in my other sister's drawer, 150 00:08:43,289 --> 00:08:45,390 and it would have a burn hole in it. 151 00:08:45,491 --> 00:08:47,359 I didn't touch your stupid shirt. 152 00:08:47,460 --> 00:08:50,295 - Then how did he get ruined? - How the hell should I know? 153 00:08:50,396 --> 00:08:53,365 MICHAEL: It would start this fight between them. 154 00:08:53,466 --> 00:08:56,935 It seemed sort of normal, you know, sibling rivalry. 155 00:08:57,036 --> 00:08:59,971 But these things with the clothes would happen 156 00:09:00,072 --> 00:09:01,406 a lot. 157 00:09:01,507 --> 00:09:05,210 Mary Ann Shore really never did anything 158 00:09:05,311 --> 00:09:06,511 to stop this at all. 159 00:09:06,612 --> 00:09:08,880 She just was there in the background. 160 00:09:08,981 --> 00:09:10,715 It almost seemed like she sat 161 00:09:10,816 --> 00:09:13,051 back and just let it keep escalating. 162 00:09:13,152 --> 00:09:15,987 - Get off me! - Stay out of my stuff. 163 00:09:16,088 --> 00:09:17,522 Then you stay out of mine. 164 00:09:17,623 --> 00:09:18,557 MICHAEL: Later down the road, 165 00:09:18,658 --> 00:09:21,326 we figured out that Mary Ann was doing things 166 00:09:21,427 --> 00:09:24,362 like this to us in order to cause tension, 167 00:09:24,463 --> 00:09:25,964 because I think in her mind, 168 00:09:26,065 --> 00:09:28,934 she really wanted my dad for herself. 169 00:09:29,035 --> 00:09:30,869 Why do you always accuse me of stuff I didn't do? 170 00:09:30,970 --> 00:09:32,837 We told my dad it was Mary Ann. 171 00:09:32,939 --> 00:09:35,006 He absolutely did not believe us. 172 00:09:35,107 --> 00:09:37,509 He called us liars. "You're lying." 173 00:09:37,610 --> 00:09:41,179 And I think that played into Mary Ann Shore's hands. 174 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,316 She was manipulating the whole situation so 175 00:09:44,417 --> 00:09:46,217 she could get rid of us kids. 176 00:09:46,319 --> 00:09:48,887 She really wanted us gone at that point 177 00:09:48,988 --> 00:09:51,823 so she could have my dad, you know, in the house 178 00:09:51,924 --> 00:09:53,692 to herself. 179 00:09:53,793 --> 00:09:55,827 But, you know, we didn't know that she was 180 00:09:55,928 --> 00:09:57,195 just out of control. 181 00:10:02,935 --> 00:10:05,937 MICHAEL: Once my sister and I figured out that, you know, 182 00:10:06,038 --> 00:10:07,839 we weren't doing these things together. 183 00:10:07,940 --> 00:10:12,177 We were saying this is not us, Mary Ann is doing this to us, 184 00:10:12,278 --> 00:10:15,480 and he absolutely did not believe us. 185 00:10:18,584 --> 00:10:23,154 Mary Ann was around a lot during these times, 186 00:10:23,255 --> 00:10:24,656 and she was in charge 187 00:10:24,757 --> 00:10:27,826 of us kids during those 2-to 3-week periods 188 00:10:27,927 --> 00:10:29,961 that my dad was gone. 189 00:10:30,062 --> 00:10:33,331 This one time, mysteriously, 190 00:10:33,399 --> 00:10:37,669 a hole got cut in 191 00:10:37,770 --> 00:10:40,305 the back of a brand-new couch that we'd got. 192 00:10:40,406 --> 00:10:42,474 It was a physical hole. 193 00:10:42,575 --> 00:10:45,877 It was about this big. 194 00:10:45,978 --> 00:10:49,347 So, how was everything? 195 00:10:49,448 --> 00:10:51,216 Not great. 196 00:10:51,317 --> 00:10:54,319 MICHAEL: Guess who found this hole? Mary Ann Shore 197 00:10:54,420 --> 00:10:59,257 found it while my dad was on one of these trips, 198 00:10:59,358 --> 00:11:01,860 and, of course, she told my dad. 199 00:11:01,961 --> 00:11:04,396 Junior, where are you?! 200 00:11:04,497 --> 00:11:07,966 And that was one of the 201 00:11:08,067 --> 00:11:13,171 worst, worst days of my life as a child. 202 00:11:13,272 --> 00:11:15,740 My dad was so mad. 203 00:11:15,841 --> 00:11:17,642 - Can you explain this? - What? 204 00:11:17,743 --> 00:11:18,677 This! 205 00:11:18,778 --> 00:11:20,912 I've never seen my dad this man in his life, 206 00:11:21,013 --> 00:11:24,516 I mean, I think his veins were out 2 inches on his neck. 207 00:11:24,617 --> 00:11:26,985 He was purple red. 208 00:11:27,086 --> 00:11:29,187 He yelled at me 209 00:11:29,288 --> 00:11:32,090 easily for an hour. 210 00:11:32,191 --> 00:11:35,760 I just told him, you know, constantly over and over, 211 00:11:35,861 --> 00:11:37,829 I didn't do it. Why would I do it? 212 00:11:37,930 --> 00:11:39,864 It doesn't make sense that I 213 00:11:39,965 --> 00:11:42,333 would just cut a hole in the back of a couch. 214 00:11:42,435 --> 00:11:44,536 Why would you do that? 215 00:11:44,637 --> 00:11:46,871 And then there was Mary Ann Shore. 216 00:11:46,972 --> 00:11:52,377 She was just quiet as a mouse, looking down with this sort of 217 00:11:52,478 --> 00:11:55,747 uncomfortable smirk on her face, 218 00:11:55,848 --> 00:11:58,483 not saying a word, not looking up. 219 00:11:58,584 --> 00:12:00,785 Look at her. She probably did it. 220 00:12:00,886 --> 00:12:03,455 Stop trying to blame Mary Ann for everything. 221 00:12:03,556 --> 00:12:06,725 MICHAEL: As smart as a man as my dad was, 222 00:12:06,826 --> 00:12:09,394 he couldn't see through his rage. 223 00:12:09,495 --> 00:12:10,628 Get out of here now! 224 00:12:14,066 --> 00:12:19,771 Mary Ann Shore essentially truly succeeded in 225 00:12:19,872 --> 00:12:23,141 driving these massive wedges 226 00:12:23,242 --> 00:12:26,177 between me and my sisters and my dad. 227 00:12:26,278 --> 00:12:27,545 I am so sorry. 228 00:12:27,646 --> 00:12:30,348 MICHAEL: I just remember sitting in my room and crying for 229 00:12:30,449 --> 00:12:34,586 hours, and, I mean, really, your mind starts to get dark. 230 00:12:34,687 --> 00:12:38,990 What can you do to her to turn the tides? 231 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,129 I think it was probably as close as I've ever 232 00:12:44,230 --> 00:12:47,432 thought to ever killing somebody in my entire life, 233 00:12:47,533 --> 00:12:52,170 like really wanting somebody dead at that point. 234 00:12:52,271 --> 00:12:54,539 Now, I'm a smart guy. 235 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,941 I'm not gonna kill somebody, 236 00:12:57,042 --> 00:13:01,212 but man, your mind goes into some dark places at that point. 237 00:13:02,715 --> 00:13:05,517 I just wanted to escape. 238 00:13:10,222 --> 00:13:11,422 WOMAN: And also, I mean... 239 00:13:11,524 --> 00:13:13,625 I'm gonna have to take a break for a second. 240 00:13:15,094 --> 00:13:16,828 Dang. I didn't expect that. 241 00:13:16,929 --> 00:13:19,430 [sniffles] 242 00:13:19,532 --> 00:13:20,865 [exhales heavily] 243 00:13:20,966 --> 00:13:24,669 Wow, that took me back to a very dark place. 244 00:13:31,877 --> 00:13:35,613 They broke up several times, and it never lasted that long. 245 00:13:35,714 --> 00:13:37,549 They always were back together. 246 00:13:37,650 --> 00:13:41,920 But when they broke up for good, I'm pretty sure I was 15 247 00:13:42,021 --> 00:13:45,456 or 16 at the time, it was just me and my dad. 248 00:13:45,558 --> 00:13:49,460 My older sister graduated high school, and she had moved out, 249 00:13:49,562 --> 00:13:51,129 and my other sister followed 250 00:13:51,230 --> 00:13:53,498 shortly thereafter when she graduated. 251 00:13:53,599 --> 00:13:56,434 - Going away again? - Yeah. 252 00:13:56,535 --> 00:14:00,405 MICHAEL: My dad said, "Hey, I've got to go on a trip" 253 00:14:00,506 --> 00:14:03,808 "overseas, and it's gonna be a little longer than 254 00:14:03,909 --> 00:14:06,244 my normal trip, about 30 days." 255 00:14:06,345 --> 00:14:08,513 He said, "I'm not sure when I'm gonna be back." 256 00:14:08,614 --> 00:14:11,049 This time is gonna be a little different. 257 00:14:11,150 --> 00:14:12,483 I should be back in about a month. 258 00:14:12,585 --> 00:14:13,918 Is everything okay? 259 00:14:14,019 --> 00:14:17,822 - Everything's fine. - And normally when my dad would 260 00:14:17,923 --> 00:14:19,290 leave, and he would always call a couple 261 00:14:19,391 --> 00:14:21,392 of times to check on us, and then he would always have 262 00:14:21,493 --> 00:14:23,895 somebody staying with us. 263 00:14:23,996 --> 00:14:28,466 Well, that time, he actually gave me money for groceries 264 00:14:28,567 --> 00:14:31,135 and just said, "Take care of the house, 265 00:14:31,237 --> 00:14:33,104 I'll see you when I get back." 266 00:14:35,674 --> 00:14:38,643 He didn't have anybody checking in on me. 267 00:14:38,744 --> 00:14:42,080 So it was weird. It was very strange. 268 00:14:42,181 --> 00:14:46,384 He was gone, and we did not hear from him until the day 269 00:14:46,485 --> 00:14:47,986 he showed back up. 270 00:14:48,087 --> 00:14:51,322 Years later, talking with my dad's lawyer, 271 00:14:51,423 --> 00:14:54,392 I found out he actually went to prison during that time for 272 00:14:54,493 --> 00:14:55,660 30 days. 273 00:14:55,761 --> 00:15:01,232 He was charged and convicted of tax evasion, 274 00:15:01,333 --> 00:15:02,734 and Mary Ann, 275 00:15:02,835 --> 00:15:06,037 apparently, when they broke up for good, 276 00:15:06,138 --> 00:15:08,506 she was gonna get revenge. 277 00:15:08,607 --> 00:15:13,611 Mary Ann had turned him in on the tax evasion charge. 278 00:15:13,712 --> 00:15:15,380 I'm not sure my dad knew at 279 00:15:15,481 --> 00:15:17,949 the time she was the one that turned him in, 280 00:15:18,050 --> 00:15:22,220 but when my dad showed up in the taxi to come home, 281 00:15:22,321 --> 00:15:23,922 Mary Ann Shore was with him. 282 00:15:38,070 --> 00:15:42,707 The first time I met Brenda, uh, was -- 283 00:15:42,808 --> 00:15:45,576 I was bartending, and, uh, he -- 284 00:15:45,678 --> 00:15:47,712 He brought her in and introduced me to her, 285 00:15:47,813 --> 00:15:49,681 and they had a couple drinks. 286 00:15:49,782 --> 00:15:51,582 Girlfriend? 287 00:15:51,684 --> 00:15:53,384 Brenda, my son, Michael. 288 00:15:53,485 --> 00:15:56,020 MICHAEL: She was a very quiet person. 289 00:15:56,121 --> 00:15:58,189 Didn't really say a lot, beautiful smile, 290 00:15:58,290 --> 00:16:01,993 very nice -- she seemed so different from Mary Ann. 291 00:16:02,094 --> 00:16:04,028 It was like a breath of fresh air. 292 00:16:04,129 --> 00:16:08,199 I was like, wow, he's actually met somebody that seems 293 00:16:08,300 --> 00:16:10,234 very cool, 294 00:16:10,336 --> 00:16:12,303 very nice, genuine. 295 00:16:12,404 --> 00:16:14,639 They seemed very happy together. 296 00:16:14,740 --> 00:16:17,175 We've been dating for a little while now. 297 00:16:17,276 --> 00:16:20,111 - That's great. - Maybe that's the last 298 00:16:20,212 --> 00:16:22,013 we'll see of Mary Ann Shore. 299 00:16:27,419 --> 00:16:30,555 This is a picture of him and Brenda. 300 00:16:30,656 --> 00:16:32,824 He looks... 301 00:16:32,925 --> 00:16:35,827 really happy, but she doesn't have 302 00:16:35,928 --> 00:16:39,564 this big smile on her face. 303 00:16:39,665 --> 00:16:42,166 She kind of looks indifferent to me. 304 00:16:42,267 --> 00:16:44,602 Which, you know, I don't know if this was 305 00:16:44,703 --> 00:16:47,972 at the time where they were having some issues. 306 00:16:48,073 --> 00:16:52,710 I feel like maybe she's not 307 00:16:52,811 --> 00:16:57,382 as happy about their relationship as he is. 308 00:16:58,584 --> 00:17:00,018 And I could be wrong, but that's 309 00:17:00,119 --> 00:17:02,153 kind of what I read from her face. 310 00:17:13,732 --> 00:17:17,502 There was a night that my dad, you know, wanted me to 311 00:17:17,603 --> 00:17:21,973 come over for dinner, because he had an announcement to make. 312 00:17:22,074 --> 00:17:23,741 We were all sitting at the table. 313 00:17:23,842 --> 00:17:26,811 My grandmother was there, my aunt was there. 314 00:17:26,912 --> 00:17:27,945 I have some big news. 315 00:17:29,014 --> 00:17:35,386 And he made this announcement that he had asked Brenda to 316 00:17:35,454 --> 00:17:39,290 marry him, and she accepted, and he gave her a ring. 317 00:17:39,358 --> 00:17:41,392 I proposed to Brenda, and she said yes. 318 00:17:43,228 --> 00:17:44,762 MICHAEL: We were like, wow, congratulations. 319 00:17:44,863 --> 00:17:49,767 But the odd part about that was, she wasn't there. 320 00:17:49,868 --> 00:17:52,437 Usually, when you make those announcements, 321 00:17:52,538 --> 00:17:55,473 your significant other is there. 322 00:17:55,574 --> 00:17:59,043 That's great news dad. Uh, where's Brenda right now? 323 00:17:59,144 --> 00:18:01,212 She couldn't get out of work in time to be here. 324 00:18:01,313 --> 00:18:02,713 MICHAEL: Looking back on that, 325 00:18:02,815 --> 00:18:07,251 it was very, very strange that Brenda was not 326 00:18:07,352 --> 00:18:11,456 with him when he made that announcement to our family. 327 00:18:13,058 --> 00:18:16,060 But I just thought it was the way he did things, 328 00:18:16,161 --> 00:18:18,529 you know? That's just the way my dad is. 329 00:18:18,630 --> 00:18:21,833 You know, I wrote it off to the quirkiness of 330 00:18:21,934 --> 00:18:23,701 his personality. 331 00:18:23,802 --> 00:18:24,902 We haven't set a date yet, 332 00:18:25,003 --> 00:18:28,339 but as soon as we do, we'll let everyone know. 333 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:33,177 I had no idea that she had given him the ring back 334 00:18:33,278 --> 00:18:35,947 or told him that she wanted to call off 335 00:18:36,048 --> 00:18:37,515 the engagement. 336 00:18:37,616 --> 00:18:39,150 We didn't know that at the time. 337 00:18:39,251 --> 00:18:43,187 That was never made clear to any of us 338 00:18:43,288 --> 00:18:47,725 and only came out in the days after 339 00:18:47,826 --> 00:18:49,360 Brenda disappeared. 340 00:18:54,833 --> 00:18:57,201 I was working a bartending shift at the restaurant, 341 00:18:57,302 --> 00:18:59,437 and I got a call. - Morty's Tavern. 342 00:18:59,538 --> 00:19:00,638 MICHAEL: And it was my dad, 343 00:19:00,739 --> 00:19:04,175 and he was crying, saying that Brenda was missing, 344 00:19:04,276 --> 00:19:05,676 they can't find her. 345 00:19:05,777 --> 00:19:08,312 Whoa, whoa! Dad, slow down -- What's going on? 346 00:19:08,413 --> 00:19:11,182 I never heard my dad cry before, 347 00:19:11,283 --> 00:19:15,386 and he was sobbing crying, like crazy crying. 348 00:19:15,487 --> 00:19:17,421 Okay, I'll be there as soon as my shift ends. 349 00:19:17,523 --> 00:19:18,789 I finished my shift, 350 00:19:18,891 --> 00:19:24,662 and I went over to my dad's house, where my grandmother was, 351 00:19:24,763 --> 00:19:27,265 and my aunt was there, 352 00:19:27,366 --> 00:19:30,701 and they are sitting around the kitchen table, 353 00:19:30,802 --> 00:19:34,038 and my dad is crying hysterically. 354 00:19:34,139 --> 00:19:35,206 Dad, are you okay? 355 00:19:35,307 --> 00:19:37,508 - What happened? - My Brenda's missing. 356 00:19:37,609 --> 00:19:41,212 MICHAEL: I had never seen my dad in this state. 357 00:19:41,313 --> 00:19:44,615 He was telling us the story of how they had spent the day 358 00:19:44,716 --> 00:19:46,350 together, and then they went 359 00:19:46,451 --> 00:19:49,787 out to eat at one of their favorite places to eat, and then 360 00:19:49,855 --> 00:19:52,190 she left to go home. 361 00:19:52,291 --> 00:19:54,258 [voice breaking] She said she'd call me when she got home 362 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:55,760 but never did. 363 00:19:55,861 --> 00:20:00,231 MICHAEL: The police found the car on the highway that night. 364 00:20:00,332 --> 00:20:02,800 The car had a flat tire, 365 00:20:02,901 --> 00:20:05,269 and the car had been broken into, and there 366 00:20:05,370 --> 00:20:08,105 had been blood found, and the radio was stolen. 367 00:20:08,207 --> 00:20:10,308 They said there's no sign of her. 368 00:20:10,409 --> 00:20:15,279 They don't know what happened to her, and he feared the worst. 369 00:20:15,380 --> 00:20:20,151 I mean, the whole situation was extremely uncomfortable, 370 00:20:20,252 --> 00:20:23,588 seeing my dad just sobbing incoherently 371 00:20:23,689 --> 00:20:25,323 about how she's missing, 372 00:20:25,424 --> 00:20:29,493 she's gone, you know, she's probably dead. 373 00:20:29,595 --> 00:20:32,663 - Calm down. - And he kept saying, you know, 374 00:20:32,764 --> 00:20:35,967 "I don't know what I'm gonna do without her, I love her 375 00:20:36,068 --> 00:20:37,368 so much." 376 00:20:37,469 --> 00:20:39,670 She's gone. 377 00:20:39,771 --> 00:20:41,672 I know it. 378 00:20:41,773 --> 00:20:46,477 Looking back on it now, it was almost over the top. 379 00:20:56,388 --> 00:20:59,724 When they found Brenda's car on the highway, 380 00:20:59,825 --> 00:21:04,462 there was blood on the seat, and the stereo was gone. 381 00:21:05,530 --> 00:21:06,964 That was not Brenda's blood. 382 00:21:07,065 --> 00:21:09,300 It was not my dad's blood. 383 00:21:09,401 --> 00:21:13,437 It was somebody out of the blue saw a car on 384 00:21:13,538 --> 00:21:17,008 the highway, and they broke into and stole the stereo, and that 385 00:21:17,109 --> 00:21:20,311 threw their investigation off from the very beginning. 386 00:21:20,412 --> 00:21:24,849 Brenda's family really didn't like my dad, 387 00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:27,585 so they were very adamant that they absolutely 388 00:21:27,686 --> 00:21:29,353 knew it was him that did it. 389 00:21:29,454 --> 00:21:32,290 They just kept reiterating in the press 390 00:21:32,391 --> 00:21:35,426 that he was still their number-one suspect. 391 00:21:35,527 --> 00:21:38,396 The focus turned on my dad. 392 00:21:38,497 --> 00:21:41,165 The newspaper every day had 393 00:21:41,266 --> 00:21:44,468 articles about this investigation and my dad. 394 00:21:44,536 --> 00:21:47,305 But my dad was never -- 395 00:21:47,406 --> 00:21:53,044 Never came across as -- As worried about anything. 396 00:21:53,145 --> 00:21:55,379 He was very adamant that he 397 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,182 was innocent, and that's what he portrayed. 398 00:22:08,527 --> 00:22:10,594 When I got done getting ready for work 399 00:22:10,696 --> 00:22:12,196 and dressed, I opened up my door, 400 00:22:12,297 --> 00:22:16,033 grabbed my paper, and when I unfolded my paper, 401 00:22:16,134 --> 00:22:19,704 they had found Brenda's body. 402 00:22:19,805 --> 00:22:24,208 It was the picture of my dad, "Mel Ignatow arrested for 403 00:22:24,309 --> 00:22:26,043 the murder of Brenda Sue Schaefer," 404 00:22:26,144 --> 00:22:29,413 big headlines, and your heart sinks. 405 00:22:29,514 --> 00:22:31,449 You know, you're just like, oh, my God. 406 00:22:31,550 --> 00:22:35,252 And of course, I turned on the TV, and the news is just 407 00:22:35,354 --> 00:22:39,190 nonstop about my dad and the arrest. 408 00:22:39,291 --> 00:22:41,192 He was charged with murder. 409 00:22:41,293 --> 00:22:44,929 I still didn't believe it, but it's devastating 410 00:22:45,030 --> 00:22:46,797 to see this. 411 00:22:46,898 --> 00:22:51,502 It just seems so surreal, like, this couldn't happen. 412 00:23:02,814 --> 00:23:05,049 Mary Ann actually led the police to 413 00:23:05,150 --> 00:23:06,851 the body, so now they had a body. 414 00:23:08,153 --> 00:23:12,056 And that was a shocker, because, you know, we had no idea 415 00:23:12,157 --> 00:23:16,394 Mary Ann Shore was in the picture in my dad's life 416 00:23:16,495 --> 00:23:17,828 at all. 417 00:23:17,929 --> 00:23:21,432 The FBI and the police had been tracking my dad, and they 418 00:23:21,533 --> 00:23:25,870 had his phone bugged, and Mary Ann Shore, 419 00:23:25,971 --> 00:23:29,507 she lived in a house that had woods behind it. 420 00:23:29,608 --> 00:23:35,413 She called my dad and said she was really concerned because 421 00:23:35,514 --> 00:23:38,682 they were gonna develop this land, and that they 422 00:23:38,784 --> 00:23:43,253 will find that site that my dad and Mary Ann buried her in. 423 00:23:43,321 --> 00:23:47,358 The police started putting pressure on Mary Ann Shore. 424 00:23:47,459 --> 00:23:50,861 She finally cracked and said, "I can 425 00:23:50,962 --> 00:23:53,164 take you to where the body is." 426 00:23:55,500 --> 00:24:01,138 Mary Ann Shore told them my dad murdered Brenda, 427 00:24:01,239 --> 00:24:04,442 killed her with chloroform 428 00:24:04,543 --> 00:24:06,444 is how she actually died, 429 00:24:06,545 --> 00:24:09,213 suffocated her, supposedly after 430 00:24:09,314 --> 00:24:11,582 sexually assaulting, torturing her. 431 00:24:11,683 --> 00:24:13,751 It's just horrific. 432 00:24:13,852 --> 00:24:16,587 When we found out that Mary Ann Shore had been 433 00:24:16,688 --> 00:24:22,526 involved some way, and she led the police to the body, 434 00:24:22,627 --> 00:24:24,795 it was like a light bulb. 435 00:24:24,896 --> 00:24:26,831 She did it. 436 00:24:26,932 --> 00:24:29,200 My dad had nothing to do with that. 437 00:24:29,301 --> 00:24:31,135 That was Mary Ann Shore. 438 00:24:31,236 --> 00:24:33,370 She is crazy enough to have 439 00:24:33,472 --> 00:24:36,340 killed Brenda, because she wanted my dad. 440 00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:40,010 The body was buried in 441 00:24:40,111 --> 00:24:43,380 the woods behind the house she was renting. 442 00:24:43,482 --> 00:24:45,983 There was no doubt in our minds that he was innocent. 443 00:24:46,084 --> 00:24:48,018 He was innocent. It was not him. 444 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:49,220 It was Mary Ann Shore. 445 00:24:59,397 --> 00:25:02,867 The first time I saw my dad after he got arrested, 446 00:25:02,968 --> 00:25:08,138 the things that my dad said were very reassuring to me. 447 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,141 I had nothing to do with this. 448 00:25:11,243 --> 00:25:13,110 MICHAEL: "I didn't do this." 449 00:25:13,211 --> 00:25:16,113 "This was the work of Mary Ann Shore. 450 00:25:16,214 --> 00:25:18,916 "I'm absolutely convinced of this. 451 00:25:19,017 --> 00:25:22,553 "Stay strong. Don't worry about a thing. 452 00:25:22,654 --> 00:25:24,388 This is all gonna work out." 453 00:25:24,489 --> 00:25:26,724 You and I both know who did this. 454 00:25:26,825 --> 00:25:28,325 She is setting me up. 455 00:25:28,426 --> 00:25:29,760 MICHAEL: You know, didn't show any 456 00:25:29,861 --> 00:25:33,864 signs of being distraught or distressed. 457 00:25:33,965 --> 00:25:39,103 It was that calm facade that he had, and confident. 458 00:25:39,204 --> 00:25:41,705 I felt very good 459 00:25:41,806 --> 00:25:45,609 about what was gonna happen with my dad. 460 00:25:45,710 --> 00:25:48,913 - I'll be out of here in no time. - Okay. 461 00:25:49,014 --> 00:25:50,247 I'll see you soon. 462 00:25:51,316 --> 00:25:53,918 MICHAEL: But, looking back, he really didn't 463 00:25:54,019 --> 00:25:56,453 mention a whole lot about Brenda. 464 00:25:56,555 --> 00:26:00,424 It was more about Mary Ann and how he 465 00:26:00,525 --> 00:26:03,327 couldn't believe she -- She could have done it 466 00:26:03,428 --> 00:26:06,397 as opposed to grieving about Brenda. 467 00:26:07,866 --> 00:26:10,801 And I don't think that I ever 468 00:26:10,902 --> 00:26:15,205 really questioned my dad if he killed Brenda. 469 00:26:15,307 --> 00:26:18,375 I never asked that question -- 470 00:26:18,476 --> 00:26:19,843 Did you kill Brenda? 471 00:26:26,451 --> 00:26:29,720 During his original trial for the murder of 472 00:26:29,821 --> 00:26:33,257 Brenda Sue Schaefer, May Ann was their star witness. 473 00:26:34,726 --> 00:26:37,328 I was not in the courtroom for her testimony, 474 00:26:37,429 --> 00:26:40,431 because I was a character witness for my dad. 475 00:26:40,532 --> 00:26:43,767 But with the press covering this quite heavily in 476 00:26:43,868 --> 00:26:46,737 the newspapers, we heard about this testimony. 477 00:26:46,838 --> 00:26:52,276 Mary Ann alleged that he sexually abused, 478 00:26:52,377 --> 00:26:54,178 assaulted, tortured, 479 00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:56,614 and murdered Brenda Sue Schaefer. 480 00:26:58,116 --> 00:27:03,454 She was testifying about helping dig the hole 481 00:27:03,555 --> 00:27:05,856 for Brenda that my dad 482 00:27:05,957 --> 00:27:08,659 and Mary Ann buried her in. 483 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,295 My dad drove that car to the freeway, 484 00:27:11,396 --> 00:27:15,265 and she followed him in another car, and he got out 485 00:27:15,367 --> 00:27:18,168 and took a regular, like, household steak knife, 486 00:27:18,269 --> 00:27:21,438 stabbed the tire, and then they drove off, 487 00:27:21,539 --> 00:27:23,574 and they left the car. 488 00:27:26,945 --> 00:27:30,347 But where was the evidence of all of this? 489 00:27:30,448 --> 00:27:35,552 They didn't find any DNA evidence on Brenda. 490 00:27:35,654 --> 00:27:37,521 No proof whatsoever. 491 00:27:37,622 --> 00:27:40,658 Mary Ann Shore told them they took pictures of it. 492 00:27:40,759 --> 00:27:44,528 But the police searched that house... twice. 493 00:27:44,629 --> 00:27:46,330 They didn't find anything. 494 00:27:46,431 --> 00:27:49,967 She's been a liar all her life. 495 00:27:50,068 --> 00:27:51,602 We did not trust her at all. 496 00:27:51,703 --> 00:27:53,704 And we had no doubts in our mind 497 00:27:53,805 --> 00:27:56,507 that she was the one that killed Brenda. 498 00:27:56,608 --> 00:27:59,710 Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. 499 00:28:00,979 --> 00:28:03,414 That was my father's defense. 500 00:28:05,650 --> 00:28:10,054 If Mary Ann Shore couldn't have Mel Ignatow, 501 00:28:10,155 --> 00:28:13,190 no one can -- she set him up, 502 00:28:13,291 --> 00:28:14,892 and we believed it, we just thought 503 00:28:14,993 --> 00:28:18,762 that she was gonna take my dad down any way she could. 504 00:28:24,736 --> 00:28:27,638 Now, this is Mary Ann Shore 505 00:28:27,739 --> 00:28:31,075 during the trial, on the stand. 506 00:28:32,343 --> 00:28:36,847 And telling the story of what they did to her, 507 00:28:36,948 --> 00:28:38,515 she didn't shed a tear. 508 00:28:38,616 --> 00:28:40,684 She was emotional-less. 509 00:28:40,785 --> 00:28:43,754 But she's pretty adamant here that 510 00:28:43,855 --> 00:28:47,725 she did not kill Brenda Sue Schaefer 511 00:28:47,826 --> 00:28:49,960 and trying to pin it on my dad. 512 00:28:50,061 --> 00:28:52,296 "I had nothing to do with it, he's guilty, 513 00:28:52,397 --> 00:28:54,164 and he knows it, and I know it." 514 00:28:55,900 --> 00:28:57,334 And nobody believed her. 515 00:28:57,435 --> 00:29:00,204 Nobody, the jurors didn't believe her at all. 516 00:29:10,482 --> 00:29:14,718 When they first came out with the not guilty, 517 00:29:14,819 --> 00:29:18,489 I mean, you talk about the weight of the world 518 00:29:18,590 --> 00:29:20,124 off your shoulders. 519 00:29:20,225 --> 00:29:25,829 I mean, it was amazing, uh, that feeling, that you 520 00:29:25,930 --> 00:29:27,164 were vindicated, 521 00:29:27,265 --> 00:29:29,533 you know, that we knew all along 522 00:29:29,634 --> 00:29:30,768 my dad didn't do it. 523 00:29:30,869 --> 00:29:32,436 This proves us right. 524 00:29:34,339 --> 00:29:36,306 You could tell he was extremely 525 00:29:36,407 --> 00:29:39,042 emotional, and then the joy sets in. 526 00:29:42,147 --> 00:29:44,848 The picture of joy, 527 00:29:44,949 --> 00:29:51,421 um, this picture was the day after my dad was acquitted. 528 00:29:51,523 --> 00:29:55,325 There was a big press conference on the steps of 529 00:29:55,426 --> 00:29:57,127 the courthouse, 530 00:29:57,228 --> 00:29:59,363 and man, is he happy. 531 00:29:59,464 --> 00:30:04,001 I mean, the look in his face of relief. 532 00:30:04,102 --> 00:30:07,037 I'm standing right by his side. 533 00:30:07,138 --> 00:30:10,707 We were absolutely ecstatic. 534 00:30:10,809 --> 00:30:13,844 He was proven innocent. 535 00:30:13,945 --> 00:30:15,612 We stood by him. 536 00:30:15,713 --> 00:30:19,082 This is a great day -- Looking at this picture now, 537 00:30:19,184 --> 00:30:21,485 knowing what we know, 538 00:30:21,586 --> 00:30:23,320 I just want to punch him in the face. 539 00:30:23,421 --> 00:30:25,689 You know, I hate to say that -- He's my dad, 540 00:30:25,790 --> 00:30:28,959 but you just want to be like, man, what a -- what a liar. 541 00:30:29,060 --> 00:30:30,928 You know? Oh, my gosh. 542 00:30:41,940 --> 00:30:43,340 Mary Ann Shore had cut 543 00:30:43,441 --> 00:30:48,111 a deal with the commonwealth's attorney 544 00:30:48,213 --> 00:30:50,581 in order to testify against my dad 545 00:30:50,682 --> 00:30:53,784 that she would get, uh, leniency. 546 00:30:55,253 --> 00:30:57,921 I believe she thought she wasn't gonna serve any 547 00:30:58,022 --> 00:30:59,623 time whatsoever, 548 00:30:59,724 --> 00:31:04,294 but I believe she spent at least 2 -- 2 to 3 years in -- 549 00:31:04,395 --> 00:31:06,864 In the federal penitentiary. 550 00:31:21,512 --> 00:31:26,583 When my dad was arrested, we came to realize that we had, 551 00:31:26,684 --> 00:31:29,253 you know, to sell his house, 552 00:31:29,354 --> 00:31:32,289 his car, his boat, his possessions to come up with 553 00:31:32,390 --> 00:31:33,790 money for his lawyers. 554 00:31:33,892 --> 00:31:39,897 So when my dad got out, he came to live with me. 555 00:31:39,998 --> 00:31:42,732 He didn't really go out in the community too much. 556 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,168 He pretty much stayed at home. 557 00:31:45,270 --> 00:31:46,670 Nine months passed. 558 00:31:46,804 --> 00:31:48,639 Thursday night was my bowling night. 559 00:31:48,740 --> 00:31:52,242 So my dad was sitting on the couch, watching TV. 560 00:31:52,343 --> 00:31:54,344 My dad would be up all hours of the night, 561 00:31:54,445 --> 00:31:56,580 so I knew he'd be up when I got home. 562 00:31:57,882 --> 00:32:02,819 And I guess I got home about 11:30 at night, 563 00:32:02,921 --> 00:32:05,322 and I walked in, and the lights are on, 564 00:32:05,423 --> 00:32:07,991 and the TV's on, and there's 565 00:32:08,092 --> 00:32:13,230 my dad's partially drank coke on the table next to the couch, 566 00:32:13,331 --> 00:32:15,032 and he wasn't there. 567 00:32:15,133 --> 00:32:16,600 Hey, dad, I'm back. 568 00:32:16,701 --> 00:32:17,935 MICHAEL: I'm like, that's weird. 569 00:32:18,036 --> 00:32:20,337 He's probably downstairs doing laundry. 570 00:32:20,438 --> 00:32:21,738 Good night. 571 00:32:21,839 --> 00:32:22,806 MICHAEL: And I went to bed. 572 00:32:28,313 --> 00:32:30,113 And 573 00:32:30,214 --> 00:32:34,184 when I woke up, the lights were still on, 574 00:32:34,285 --> 00:32:35,886 and the TV was still on. 575 00:32:36,020 --> 00:32:37,421 Dad? 576 00:32:37,522 --> 00:32:39,990 MICHAEL: And my dad wasn't there, 577 00:32:40,091 --> 00:32:41,658 and I happened to look, and I saw 578 00:32:41,759 --> 00:32:43,727 all kinds of messages on my phone. 579 00:32:45,096 --> 00:32:47,397 "Mike, have you seen the news? 580 00:32:47,498 --> 00:32:49,433 You know, give us a call." 581 00:32:49,534 --> 00:32:52,869 I think one of them was my aunt -- called my aunt. 582 00:32:52,971 --> 00:32:56,373 She said, "Mike, your dad's been arrested again." 583 00:32:56,474 --> 00:32:57,374 What do you mean? 584 00:32:57,475 --> 00:33:01,244 She was like, they found the evidence 585 00:33:01,346 --> 00:33:04,982 that implicates him in the murder of Brenda. 586 00:33:05,083 --> 00:33:09,519 They found the film that Mary Ann Shore told them 587 00:33:09,620 --> 00:33:12,356 they took pictures of -- It was in his old house. 588 00:33:12,457 --> 00:33:14,324 How is that possible? 589 00:33:14,425 --> 00:33:19,763 The new owner of his house had wanted to replace the carpet, 590 00:33:19,864 --> 00:33:21,465 and so the -- 591 00:33:21,566 --> 00:33:24,901 They had a carpet company come in, and they were tearing out 592 00:33:25,003 --> 00:33:28,038 the carpet when they uncovered 593 00:33:28,139 --> 00:33:31,908 a hidden air duct in the floor. 594 00:33:32,010 --> 00:33:37,547 The carpet company found this bag of jewelry and undeveloped 595 00:33:37,648 --> 00:33:42,019 film, and knowing that the history of the house, 596 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,154 they immediately called the FBI. 597 00:33:44,255 --> 00:33:47,591 - I gotta call you back. - And they developed it, 598 00:33:47,692 --> 00:33:51,561 and it was everything that Mary Ann Shore told them. 599 00:33:51,662 --> 00:33:56,199 She was telling the truth, but nobody believed her. 600 00:33:57,869 --> 00:33:59,269 I hit the floor. 601 00:33:59,370 --> 00:34:04,474 I really felt like the biggest heavyweight boxer punched me in 602 00:34:04,575 --> 00:34:08,445 the stomach, and I couldn't stand, and I just hit the floor. 603 00:34:14,318 --> 00:34:17,988 Once they discovered the true hard evidence, 604 00:34:18,089 --> 00:34:20,190 the smoking gun, as you will, 605 00:34:20,291 --> 00:34:25,796 that showed my dad, you know, doing these things to Brenda, 606 00:34:25,897 --> 00:34:28,398 they couldn't re-charge him with murder. 607 00:34:29,567 --> 00:34:34,304 Once you have been tried for a crime and acquitted, 608 00:34:34,405 --> 00:34:38,075 you cannot be re-charged with that crime. 609 00:34:38,176 --> 00:34:42,546 But the federal government wasn't giving up. 610 00:34:42,647 --> 00:34:45,882 They were now charging him with perjury. 611 00:34:47,285 --> 00:34:49,019 I went down to the courthouse. 612 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,956 My dad had agreed to admit everything, and he stood up on 613 00:34:53,057 --> 00:34:58,562 that stand in court and admitted everything, 614 00:34:58,663 --> 00:35:00,163 said he was sorry. 615 00:35:01,833 --> 00:35:03,600 That was a tough day. 616 00:35:03,701 --> 00:35:06,203 It was arguably the worst... 617 00:35:07,405 --> 00:35:09,806 moment in my entire life. 618 00:35:09,907 --> 00:35:15,779 I can't tell you how mad, how upset, 619 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,914 how disappointed 620 00:35:18,015 --> 00:35:21,384 that we all were. 621 00:35:21,486 --> 00:35:27,090 When my dad was convicted of the two charges of perjury in 622 00:35:27,191 --> 00:35:28,458 the federal trial, 623 00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:32,796 he was sentenced to nine years in federal prison. 624 00:35:32,897 --> 00:35:34,998 He ultimately ended up spending 625 00:35:35,099 --> 00:35:37,968 a little less than seven years in prison. 626 00:35:39,337 --> 00:35:41,371 I'm a little torn on that, because 627 00:35:41,472 --> 00:35:44,908 I am a believer in the death penalty. 628 00:35:45,009 --> 00:35:47,644 I think, you know, if you kill somebody, 629 00:35:47,745 --> 00:35:50,547 you know, you should -- You shouldn't live. 630 00:35:50,648 --> 00:35:53,049 I mean, I really, truly believe my dad should 631 00:35:53,151 --> 00:35:56,019 have been put to death for that -- Brenda's family, 632 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,890 they really, really got cheated out on 633 00:35:59,991 --> 00:36:02,726 what should have happened to my dad. 634 00:36:02,827 --> 00:36:07,898 I did not see my dad for seven years. 635 00:36:07,999 --> 00:36:12,569 I did not go visit him in federal prison. 636 00:36:12,670 --> 00:36:17,274 I didn't want to -- I felt so betrayed and so used. 637 00:36:17,375 --> 00:36:20,810 There was no way I was making a trip to go see him. 638 00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:25,115 He can rot in hell. 639 00:36:32,023 --> 00:36:34,791 He asked if he could come and stay with me. 640 00:36:34,892 --> 00:36:38,895 I had to do some serious thinking about it and, you know, 641 00:36:38,996 --> 00:36:42,165 I just decided it was probably the right thing to do. 642 00:36:42,266 --> 00:36:44,367 He was my dad, he needed a place 643 00:36:44,468 --> 00:36:46,536 to live, and he had nowhere to go. 644 00:36:46,637 --> 00:36:51,841 My dad and I had some conversations about what had 645 00:36:51,943 --> 00:36:55,845 happened, and he did apologize to me during some of those, 646 00:36:55,947 --> 00:36:59,049 you know, face-to-face conversations, but we really 647 00:36:59,150 --> 00:37:01,518 never got into it very deep. 648 00:37:01,619 --> 00:37:05,922 I don't think I ever really believed 649 00:37:06,023 --> 00:37:10,293 that he truly accepted the responsibility. 650 00:37:12,597 --> 00:37:14,898 My dad ended up staying with me 651 00:37:14,999 --> 00:37:17,834 for probably about, you know, 652 00:37:17,935 --> 00:37:22,872 nine months to a year after he got out of federal prison. 653 00:37:22,974 --> 00:37:26,042 I'm not sure I ever really forgave him. 654 00:37:26,143 --> 00:37:29,012 I love my dad enough to take care of him 655 00:37:29,113 --> 00:37:32,182 and do what I felt like I needed to do, 656 00:37:32,283 --> 00:37:34,317 you know, in his later life. 657 00:37:34,418 --> 00:37:38,555 I'm not sure I've ever forgiven him for what he did. 658 00:37:48,266 --> 00:37:51,601 Once my dad moved out, I would go by and check on him 659 00:37:51,702 --> 00:37:56,106 all the time -- on Monday morning, on my way into work, 660 00:37:56,207 --> 00:37:58,608 I decided I'm gonna stop by and make sure 661 00:37:58,709 --> 00:38:00,410 everything's okay. 662 00:38:00,511 --> 00:38:03,513 - Hey, dad, open up. - I knock on the door. 663 00:38:03,614 --> 00:38:05,749 You know, nobody's answering. 664 00:38:05,850 --> 00:38:07,984 His van is out in the driveway. 665 00:38:08,085 --> 00:38:13,490 So I opened the door, and what I see 666 00:38:13,591 --> 00:38:15,825 is just -- it's just a horrifying scene. 667 00:38:17,695 --> 00:38:23,400 I see this broken glass table, and there's blood everywhere 668 00:38:23,501 --> 00:38:26,603 and I'm like, ah, crap, this is not good. 669 00:38:27,672 --> 00:38:31,574 His walker was laying on the ground, and the leg was bent. 670 00:38:31,676 --> 00:38:34,678 You know, you could tell that he was probably walkin' on 671 00:38:34,779 --> 00:38:38,481 it, and it collapsed, and he went in to this coffee table. 672 00:38:39,784 --> 00:38:43,086 I followed this trail of blood into his bedroom, 673 00:38:43,187 --> 00:38:46,089 and I walked into his bedroom, 674 00:38:46,190 --> 00:38:48,625 I turned around, and there he was 675 00:38:48,726 --> 00:38:52,662 up against the wall, on the ground. 676 00:38:55,666 --> 00:39:00,070 He crashed through a glass coffee table, 677 00:39:00,171 --> 00:39:04,441 cut his arm really bad, and ended up bleeding 678 00:39:04,542 --> 00:39:06,509 to death in his apartment. 679 00:39:06,610 --> 00:39:10,013 He didn't grab his phone to call for help. 680 00:39:10,114 --> 00:39:12,782 I think he just decided it was time for him 681 00:39:12,883 --> 00:39:14,617 to lay down and die. 682 00:39:17,455 --> 00:39:20,590 When I saw my dad on the ground and the scene, 683 00:39:20,691 --> 00:39:22,392 you know, uh... 684 00:39:22,493 --> 00:39:26,730 I honestly felt relieved -- In my mind, 685 00:39:26,831 --> 00:39:31,801 I felt like is this finally over, you know, 686 00:39:31,902 --> 00:39:34,170 can we, as a community, 687 00:39:34,271 --> 00:39:39,676 finally move on from this nightmare that he caused? 688 00:39:39,777 --> 00:39:42,946 That was a tough way to die, 689 00:39:43,047 --> 00:39:45,882 but I'm a big believer in Karma. 690 00:39:45,983 --> 00:39:51,154 When Mary Ann and my dad murdered Brenda, 691 00:39:51,255 --> 00:39:55,725 they had her taped to this glass coffee table, 692 00:39:55,826 --> 00:40:01,264 and it was ultimately a glass coffee table that did him in. 693 00:40:01,365 --> 00:40:05,335 That is Karma -- The definition of Karma. 694 00:40:05,436 --> 00:40:06,436 It got him. 695 00:40:16,046 --> 00:40:20,216 I recall hearing about Mary Ann Shore's death -- 696 00:40:20,317 --> 00:40:24,421 Really didn't happen too long after she had been released. 697 00:40:24,522 --> 00:40:28,124 She died of either cancer or a heart attack. 698 00:40:28,225 --> 00:40:31,227 Mary Ann Shore's role in this, 699 00:40:31,328 --> 00:40:36,433 it's really hard to -- to wrap my mind around -- to this day, 700 00:40:36,534 --> 00:40:41,938 I still believe she's the one that got my dad to kill Brenda. 701 00:40:42,039 --> 00:40:45,442 Her ultimate goal in life was to be 702 00:40:45,543 --> 00:40:49,312 with my dad, and she would do anything 703 00:40:49,413 --> 00:40:52,982 and everything possible to make that happen. 704 00:40:53,083 --> 00:40:55,985 He did it, but I think 705 00:40:56,086 --> 00:40:58,922 it was her that pushed him to do it. 706 00:41:10,534 --> 00:41:13,303 Over the years, I've, you know, 707 00:41:13,404 --> 00:41:18,007 put a lot of thought into what was going through my dad's mind 708 00:41:18,108 --> 00:41:21,244 when he decided to kill Brenda. 709 00:41:23,013 --> 00:41:26,816 The only thing that I can think of is that 710 00:41:26,917 --> 00:41:31,921 she was the icing on the cake to this perfect life 711 00:41:32,022 --> 00:41:33,923 that he'd created, with the nice house, 712 00:41:34,024 --> 00:41:38,127 the nice car, this ultra-successful man 713 00:41:38,229 --> 00:41:40,330 who's on top of the world. 714 00:41:40,431 --> 00:41:44,067 And when she decided to break up with him, 715 00:41:44,168 --> 00:41:47,937 I think it crashed his dream. 716 00:41:48,038 --> 00:41:51,074 I just think he lost his mind, 717 00:41:51,175 --> 00:41:55,311 and to this day, I still can't really understand it. 718 00:41:57,381 --> 00:42:01,050 I try not to harbor all that, you know, anger. 719 00:42:01,151 --> 00:42:02,318 It's just not good for you. 720 00:42:02,419 --> 00:42:07,423 But I have such hatred for Mary Ann Shore 721 00:42:07,525 --> 00:42:10,260 and what she did to our family. 722 00:42:12,263 --> 00:42:17,433 She was an evil person for the majority of her life, 723 00:42:17,535 --> 00:42:19,836 and I don't know how she convinced him to do it. 724 00:42:19,937 --> 00:42:25,208 But I, in my heart, believe she was ultimately 725 00:42:25,309 --> 00:42:26,643 pulling the strings.