1 00:00:05,305 --> 00:00:08,073 Talking about Cammy is very emotional, 2 00:00:10,010 --> 00:00:14,079 but I want to share the story that changed 3 00:00:14,180 --> 00:00:17,850 our entire family's, uh, landscape. 4 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,022 The people who she 5 00:00:23,123 --> 00:00:28,827 is supposed to love the most, and probably did love the most, 6 00:00:28,928 --> 00:00:31,430 she ended up hurting the most. 7 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:35,100 But I still 8 00:00:36,669 --> 00:00:38,704 believe in humanity 9 00:00:40,473 --> 00:00:43,108 and the good that there was supposed to have been, 10 00:00:44,978 --> 00:00:47,379 and I'm sorry it couldn't have turned out that way for her. 11 00:00:54,087 --> 00:00:55,421 [voice breaking] Just a minute, please. 12 00:01:10,503 --> 00:01:14,406 She'll serve her sentence and get free 13 00:01:14,507 --> 00:01:18,510 and be walking the streets of society. 14 00:01:18,611 --> 00:01:22,381 I will be watching and being very 15 00:01:22,482 --> 00:01:26,318 careful when and if that does happen, 16 00:01:26,419 --> 00:01:28,821 because I feel like that there 17 00:01:28,922 --> 00:01:33,725 is potential for Cammy coming after me. 18 00:01:33,827 --> 00:01:37,763 If my sister were to 19 00:01:37,864 --> 00:01:40,499 come after me in revenge, 20 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,001 I would not 21 00:01:43,103 --> 00:01:44,503 hesitate 22 00:01:46,272 --> 00:01:48,607 in pulling a trigger against her. 23 00:01:53,313 --> 00:01:55,581 [The Paper Chase's "What's So Amazing About Grace?" plays] 24 00:01:55,682 --> 00:01:58,617 [strings continue playing sinister tune] 25 00:01:58,685 --> 00:02:03,789 [static crackling] 26 00:02:03,890 --> 00:02:05,557 [knock at door] [creaking] 27 00:02:05,658 --> 00:02:10,729 [banging on door] 28 00:02:10,830 --> 00:02:15,968 [creaking] 29 00:02:16,069 --> 00:02:18,604 [water dripping] 30 00:02:18,705 --> 00:02:21,273 [banging on door] [creaking] 31 00:02:21,374 --> 00:02:22,741 [sinister chord strikes] 32 00:02:32,986 --> 00:02:38,157 This is me and my middle sister, Cammy. 33 00:02:38,258 --> 00:02:41,894 There was exactly three years between us. 34 00:02:41,995 --> 00:02:45,097 A bond was developed 35 00:02:45,198 --> 00:02:46,932 very early on, 36 00:02:48,168 --> 00:02:49,768 because I adored her. 37 00:02:52,939 --> 00:02:57,809 She loved to get in the bed with me and us have a playtime. 38 00:02:57,911 --> 00:02:59,745 I would make her giggle. 39 00:02:59,846 --> 00:03:02,314 I would tickle her belly. 40 00:03:02,415 --> 00:03:05,184 It was a wonderful time in my life, 41 00:03:05,285 --> 00:03:10,055 and I hope in hers -- maybe it's not remembered, but... 42 00:03:11,624 --> 00:03:14,326 it's still in there somewhere. 43 00:03:18,398 --> 00:03:21,767 We grew up in Marion, North Carolina. 44 00:03:21,868 --> 00:03:24,670 I'm the oldest of three daughters. 45 00:03:24,771 --> 00:03:29,241 As Cammy got older, she would come to my bed 46 00:03:29,342 --> 00:03:32,044 when she had a nightmare, and I'd snuggle her up. 47 00:03:32,145 --> 00:03:35,881 What's wrong? You have a bad dream? 48 00:03:35,982 --> 00:03:41,053 I can remember lots of times reading to her. 49 00:03:41,154 --> 00:03:43,488 Once upon a time... 50 00:03:43,590 --> 00:03:46,258 CINDY: And I could remember her looking up at me 51 00:03:46,359 --> 00:03:50,462 as I read to her. 52 00:03:50,563 --> 00:03:54,099 Certain things kind of stick in your head. 53 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:59,938 That does, that sticks, that little smile, 54 00:04:00,039 --> 00:04:01,807 because it was just so sweet. 55 00:04:01,908 --> 00:04:06,311 I wish you could see it in my head. [laughs] Um... 56 00:04:06,412 --> 00:04:10,215 She had the cutest little smile. 57 00:04:28,635 --> 00:04:30,802 Probably around the age of six, 58 00:04:30,903 --> 00:04:35,240 I started seeing a behavioral change in my sister. 59 00:04:35,341 --> 00:04:40,279 She enjoyed seeing me upset. 60 00:04:40,380 --> 00:04:42,681 Growing up, 61 00:04:42,782 --> 00:04:47,686 it was very important to me to have things precise 62 00:04:47,787 --> 00:04:49,388 and orderly. 63 00:04:49,489 --> 00:04:51,290 I don't want to say I had OCD, 64 00:04:51,391 --> 00:04:54,026 but I just liked order. 65 00:04:55,595 --> 00:04:59,364 I remember one time in particular 66 00:04:59,465 --> 00:05:05,737 where I got very upset with Cammy 67 00:05:07,507 --> 00:05:13,011 for holding her elbows out after she washed her face, 68 00:05:13,112 --> 00:05:14,146 because water 69 00:05:14,247 --> 00:05:18,617 would roll down her arms and get all over 70 00:05:18,718 --> 00:05:20,452 the sink and floor. 71 00:05:20,553 --> 00:05:22,054 And I snapped at her. 72 00:05:22,155 --> 00:05:25,390 Cammy! Why are you always making a mess? 73 00:05:25,491 --> 00:05:29,628 If you made her upset, then she got revenge. 74 00:05:32,231 --> 00:05:38,970 She went into our bedroom, took all of our drawers, 75 00:05:39,072 --> 00:05:41,606 and dumped them in the -- In the middle of the room. 76 00:05:43,876 --> 00:05:46,078 I walk into the room, 77 00:05:46,179 --> 00:05:50,582 and I see the bed spreads 78 00:05:50,683 --> 00:05:53,885 and top sheets and pillows 79 00:05:53,986 --> 00:05:55,787 thrown into the middle of the floor. 80 00:05:55,888 --> 00:05:58,490 Cammy, why would you do this? 81 00:06:00,793 --> 00:06:05,063 I was so angry, and seeing that, I would say, 82 00:06:05,164 --> 00:06:06,531 "Cammy, clean up that room." 83 00:06:06,632 --> 00:06:11,103 Well, she wouldn't, and she would laugh. 84 00:06:13,506 --> 00:06:18,410 She was actually being very entertained at me being angry. 85 00:06:18,511 --> 00:06:22,614 Well, don't just stand there -- Help me! 86 00:06:22,715 --> 00:06:28,086 I think that the laughing when seeing me so upset 87 00:06:28,187 --> 00:06:32,524 was even worse than the actual deed of the destruction. 88 00:06:33,926 --> 00:06:39,631 Her intentions were to deliberately antagonize me. 89 00:06:50,076 --> 00:06:53,578 Cammy took pleasure in eliciting responses. 90 00:06:53,679 --> 00:06:56,114 She loved to see 91 00:06:56,215 --> 00:06:58,417 me cry. 92 00:06:59,786 --> 00:07:05,257 In early teens, I became overweight, 93 00:07:05,358 --> 00:07:10,862 and I was very self-conscious, 94 00:07:10,963 --> 00:07:15,333 and if she caught me standing in front of a mirror, 95 00:07:15,435 --> 00:07:21,206 she would attack that Achilles heel 96 00:07:21,307 --> 00:07:23,442 that caused me great distress. 97 00:07:25,611 --> 00:07:29,214 I was one day looking in the mirror, 98 00:07:29,315 --> 00:07:33,618 and she came in the room 99 00:07:33,719 --> 00:07:36,555 and started laughing 100 00:07:36,656 --> 00:07:38,790 [laughing] 101 00:07:38,891 --> 00:07:41,793 And going, "Just look at you, 102 00:07:41,894 --> 00:07:46,431 look at you, look how fat you are." 103 00:07:48,301 --> 00:07:49,434 It was awful. 104 00:07:49,535 --> 00:07:52,537 And she just went -- Kept on and on with it. 105 00:07:52,638 --> 00:07:56,341 And I think that did probably reduce me to tears. 106 00:07:56,442 --> 00:07:59,845 You're looking a little chunky. [laughing] 107 00:07:59,946 --> 00:08:02,314 How could she say that to me? 108 00:08:02,415 --> 00:08:05,150 I would never say that to her. 109 00:08:05,251 --> 00:08:07,319 It was joyous cruelty. 110 00:08:07,420 --> 00:08:09,488 She knew what she was doing, 111 00:08:09,589 --> 00:08:13,492 she knew she was hurting me, and she was being entertained 112 00:08:13,593 --> 00:08:17,762 by that. - God, you're disgusting. 113 00:08:17,864 --> 00:08:22,767 She enjoyed doing that on a regular basis. 114 00:08:22,869 --> 00:08:28,707 She had a distorted viewpoint of me her whole life. 115 00:08:28,808 --> 00:08:32,844 And she enjoyed seeing me cry. 116 00:08:44,724 --> 00:08:47,726 Mostly it was a rivalry with me, 117 00:08:47,827 --> 00:08:51,162 and I don't think that there was hardly that much between 118 00:08:51,264 --> 00:08:55,834 Cammy and Sharon as there was between Cammy and myself. 119 00:08:55,935 --> 00:09:00,572 Once, I shared a secret 120 00:09:00,706 --> 00:09:03,508 with my sister, Cammy, 121 00:09:03,609 --> 00:09:09,481 and she ended up usin' it against me. 122 00:09:09,582 --> 00:09:11,783 I could not go on a date 123 00:09:11,884 --> 00:09:13,685 until I was 16, 124 00:09:13,786 --> 00:09:17,255 which I thought was a little bit strict. 125 00:09:17,356 --> 00:09:19,491 So one time, I kissed a guy, 126 00:09:19,592 --> 00:09:23,695 and I felt real badly about it. 127 00:09:23,796 --> 00:09:25,430 I shared it with Cammy. 128 00:09:25,531 --> 00:09:28,433 I leaned in, 129 00:09:29,735 --> 00:09:30,869 and I kissed him. 130 00:09:30,970 --> 00:09:32,604 You kissed him! 131 00:09:32,705 --> 00:09:35,006 And she was very, very sweet 132 00:09:35,107 --> 00:09:38,710 and very, very loving... at first. 133 00:09:38,811 --> 00:09:40,979 Did you like it? 134 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,181 [laughs] Of course. 135 00:09:43,282 --> 00:09:47,652 She responded with, "Oh, Cindy", 136 00:09:47,753 --> 00:09:49,054 "don't -- Don't worry about that. 137 00:09:49,155 --> 00:09:50,422 That's not that bad." 138 00:09:50,523 --> 00:09:52,924 She was comforting. 139 00:09:53,025 --> 00:09:56,027 But seriously, you can't tell anyone. 140 00:09:56,128 --> 00:10:00,031 I promise. I won't tell anyone. 141 00:10:00,132 --> 00:10:01,399 Okay. 142 00:10:01,500 --> 00:10:06,571 I realize now, she would think through how can I hurt, 143 00:10:06,672 --> 00:10:09,708 uh, Cindy the worst? 144 00:10:10,977 --> 00:10:13,812 All of a sudden, she thinks, oh, 145 00:10:13,913 --> 00:10:16,114 I have leverage. 146 00:10:16,215 --> 00:10:18,083 I can use this. 147 00:10:18,184 --> 00:10:21,319 And, of course, that's exactly what ended up. 148 00:10:24,490 --> 00:10:27,626 Two days after the incident, 149 00:10:27,727 --> 00:10:32,998 she started blackmailing me with my mom. 150 00:10:33,099 --> 00:10:35,367 [sighs] 151 00:10:35,468 --> 00:10:40,805 Mom would divide cookies or a candy bar, 152 00:10:40,906 --> 00:10:43,575 and I would not give her my share. 153 00:10:46,145 --> 00:10:47,479 Give me them. 154 00:10:47,580 --> 00:10:49,247 I'm not giving you my cookies. 155 00:10:49,348 --> 00:10:52,651 And she threatened to 156 00:10:52,752 --> 00:10:56,588 blackmail me by using the secret that I had told her. 157 00:10:57,757 --> 00:10:59,557 No, Cammy, you promised. 158 00:10:59,659 --> 00:11:03,762 She would immediately start calling for mom. 159 00:11:03,863 --> 00:11:06,865 Fine, have it your way. 160 00:11:06,966 --> 00:11:08,967 - Mom! - Wait! Wait! 161 00:11:09,068 --> 00:11:12,470 I would say wait, wait, come back. 162 00:11:12,571 --> 00:11:16,141 Here, you can have this. 163 00:11:16,242 --> 00:11:17,342 Here. 164 00:11:18,377 --> 00:11:21,946 CINDY: Because I didn't want that to happen. 165 00:11:22,048 --> 00:11:23,248 Thank you. 166 00:11:24,483 --> 00:11:27,886 Cammy blackmailed me for several months. 167 00:11:27,987 --> 00:11:33,625 A normal person would not do that to another person. 168 00:11:35,094 --> 00:11:37,662 But she doesn't care about getting along. 169 00:11:37,763 --> 00:11:39,831 She doesn't care about friendships. 170 00:11:39,932 --> 00:11:42,934 It became a miserable way to live. 171 00:11:43,035 --> 00:11:45,870 And finally, one day, I had had enough. 172 00:11:49,341 --> 00:11:52,711 I went, and I said, "Mom, can I talk to you about something?" 173 00:11:52,812 --> 00:11:55,246 And I told my mom myself. 174 00:11:55,347 --> 00:11:58,349 I have something to tell you. 175 00:11:58,451 --> 00:12:01,586 Once I told my mother the secret, 176 00:12:01,687 --> 00:12:04,923 I felt so free. 177 00:12:05,024 --> 00:12:07,726 The load was gone. 178 00:12:07,827 --> 00:12:11,529 That one incident 179 00:12:11,630 --> 00:12:15,700 changed the landscape of our relationship 180 00:12:15,801 --> 00:12:17,402 for the rest of our life. 181 00:12:21,173 --> 00:12:26,611 Because I never could trust her fully again. 182 00:12:36,655 --> 00:12:41,760 This is a picture of my baby sister, Sharon, and... 183 00:12:43,229 --> 00:12:47,132 Cammy, and myself. 184 00:12:47,233 --> 00:12:52,837 I was 14, and Cammy was 11. 185 00:12:54,006 --> 00:12:57,575 I desperately wanted to have a close relationship 186 00:12:57,676 --> 00:13:03,181 with Cammy, but our relationship was very strained. 187 00:13:03,282 --> 00:13:04,783 Very seldom do 188 00:13:04,884 --> 00:13:09,087 I remember her being sweet 189 00:13:09,188 --> 00:13:14,659 and nice -- I didn't recognize that 190 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:19,464 the abnormal behavior would last for a lifetime. 191 00:13:19,565 --> 00:13:20,665 I didn't know that. 192 00:13:31,143 --> 00:13:33,578 As time went on, 193 00:13:35,047 --> 00:13:37,215 we noticed that Cammy became 194 00:13:37,316 --> 00:13:40,652 more and more obsessed 195 00:13:40,753 --> 00:13:43,855 with revenge. 196 00:13:46,258 --> 00:13:50,628 And as she grew older, around eight years old, 197 00:13:50,729 --> 00:13:52,797 she started using weapons. 198 00:13:55,901 --> 00:14:00,605 One day, we were on the school bus coming home, 199 00:14:00,706 --> 00:14:06,010 and I was teasing her about a particular boy that liked her. 200 00:14:06,111 --> 00:14:08,513 We got home, 201 00:14:08,614 --> 00:14:11,082 and then it started. 202 00:14:11,183 --> 00:14:14,219 Come on, Cammy. I was only joking. 203 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,487 CINDY: She just decided that she was 204 00:14:16,589 --> 00:14:19,390 gonna go get a kitchen paring knife. 205 00:14:21,093 --> 00:14:24,229 I heard the drawer open, and I was standing 206 00:14:24,330 --> 00:14:26,364 in the living room, 207 00:14:26,465 --> 00:14:27,532 What are you doing? 208 00:14:29,168 --> 00:14:32,136 And totally unexpecting 209 00:14:32,238 --> 00:14:34,572 that she would throw a knife at me. 210 00:14:35,841 --> 00:14:40,545 She just took it by the knife part and threw it. 211 00:14:40,646 --> 00:14:42,547 [gasps] 212 00:14:42,648 --> 00:14:45,984 And it lodged in my wrist. 213 00:14:46,085 --> 00:14:47,852 What is wrong with you? 214 00:14:49,255 --> 00:14:52,423 CINDY: It was, like, very, very bloody. 215 00:14:52,524 --> 00:14:55,026 I was trying to stop the bleeding. 216 00:14:55,127 --> 00:14:57,262 You could have killed me! 217 00:14:57,363 --> 00:15:02,967 She walked by like, that's what you get, that serves you right. 218 00:15:03,068 --> 00:15:06,604 Did not say, "Oh, I'm sorry." 219 00:15:08,274 --> 00:15:11,542 Just walked on by and went on her merry way. 220 00:15:11,644 --> 00:15:16,681 There was no remorse, but I think satisfaction. 221 00:15:16,782 --> 00:15:19,784 I really think satisfaction. 222 00:15:22,388 --> 00:15:24,555 When I told mom and dad that, 223 00:15:24,657 --> 00:15:27,959 she got 25 licks with a belt. 224 00:15:28,060 --> 00:15:33,431 But sometimes after a spanking, Cammy would laugh 225 00:15:33,532 --> 00:15:38,736 just to show that it didn't and wouldn't affect her. 226 00:15:38,837 --> 00:15:41,406 She would act like nothing happened. 227 00:15:41,507 --> 00:15:43,641 No one or not 228 00:15:43,742 --> 00:15:47,178 anything could affect that resolve 229 00:15:47,279 --> 00:15:48,980 that she would be in control. 230 00:16:01,460 --> 00:16:03,394 It was frightening living with Cammy, 231 00:16:03,495 --> 00:16:07,999 because I never knew what would set her off. 232 00:16:09,969 --> 00:16:13,738 One time, we got into a huge fight 233 00:16:13,839 --> 00:16:15,974 us sisters, and she demanded 234 00:16:16,075 --> 00:16:18,743 that my sister and I leave the premises, 235 00:16:18,844 --> 00:16:20,144 to get out of the room, 236 00:16:20,245 --> 00:16:22,080 Get out! 237 00:16:22,181 --> 00:16:24,115 CINDY: And we refused to do that. 238 00:16:24,216 --> 00:16:27,285 No, If you don't like it, why don't you leave? 239 00:16:27,386 --> 00:16:29,420 She went into my parents' bedroom. 240 00:16:31,457 --> 00:16:34,492 And she got a rifle, a hunting rifle. 241 00:16:35,694 --> 00:16:39,030 She come carrying, coming through their door, 242 00:16:39,131 --> 00:16:42,667 pointing at us and demanding that we get out of the house. 243 00:16:43,836 --> 00:16:46,771 I said, get out! 244 00:16:46,872 --> 00:16:49,841 Just calm, cool, and collected. 245 00:16:49,942 --> 00:16:53,277 Just y'all get out, or I'm gonna -- I'm gonna shoot you. 246 00:16:55,147 --> 00:16:57,949 Of course, we're thinking that she's teasing, 247 00:16:58,050 --> 00:17:01,719 but we're not taking any chances, right? 248 00:17:01,820 --> 00:17:03,955 I mean it. 249 00:17:05,424 --> 00:17:08,626 I can remember trying to get Sharon out of the house. 250 00:17:08,727 --> 00:17:09,761 Let's go. 251 00:17:09,862 --> 00:17:11,262 "Let's go, let's go, let's go." 252 00:17:11,363 --> 00:17:14,899 And she then locks us out. 253 00:17:14,967 --> 00:17:18,403 And we stay out until mom and dad get home. 254 00:17:22,107 --> 00:17:23,474 They didn't know what to do. 255 00:17:25,577 --> 00:17:29,113 My mother took Cammy to our pediatrician, 256 00:17:29,214 --> 00:17:32,116 and she asked him what 257 00:17:32,217 --> 00:17:34,786 she could do to get Cammy help, 258 00:17:34,887 --> 00:17:41,559 and he reprimanded her verbally 259 00:17:41,660 --> 00:17:44,395 and just said, "She's a middle child. 260 00:17:44,496 --> 00:17:47,165 "She needs extra attention. 261 00:17:47,266 --> 00:17:49,734 "She needs extra love. 262 00:17:49,835 --> 00:17:54,038 Just love her and give her special attention." 263 00:17:54,139 --> 00:17:58,509 Absolutely the wrong advice from that pediatrician. 264 00:17:58,610 --> 00:18:00,445 I don't think they knew what to 265 00:18:00,546 --> 00:18:03,781 do with her when she was little. 266 00:18:03,882 --> 00:18:05,950 You could not reason 267 00:18:06,051 --> 00:18:08,152 with Cammy. 268 00:18:15,427 --> 00:18:18,629 It wasn't that I hated her. 269 00:18:18,730 --> 00:18:23,000 You just don't want to have a relationship anymore. 270 00:18:23,102 --> 00:18:26,771 And there was times where we're teenagers that were good. 271 00:18:26,872 --> 00:18:32,844 Cammy was 21 or 22 when she got married. 272 00:18:32,945 --> 00:18:35,947 I was 24 when I got married. 273 00:18:36,048 --> 00:18:38,483 We were close then. 274 00:18:38,584 --> 00:18:44,455 Well, close enough to -- to -- The only time that we really saw 275 00:18:44,556 --> 00:18:48,626 one another was, like, Mother's Day, 276 00:18:48,727 --> 00:18:51,796 Easter -- it was just your normal, 277 00:18:51,897 --> 00:18:52,864 see you later, 278 00:18:52,965 --> 00:18:54,132 hello, how are you? 279 00:18:54,233 --> 00:18:55,967 You know, kind of thing. 280 00:19:06,111 --> 00:19:10,781 Well, we were on our way to a niece's third birthday, 281 00:19:10,883 --> 00:19:15,153 which is Sharon's daughter, and, um, I had 282 00:19:15,254 --> 00:19:21,459 Cammy with me and two of my sons, and Cammy was saying 283 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,395 cruel things about my nephew. 284 00:19:24,496 --> 00:19:26,497 I really -- I can't stand him. 285 00:19:26,598 --> 00:19:28,966 Cammy, please, not in front of the boys. 286 00:19:29,067 --> 00:19:30,201 It's their cousin. 287 00:19:32,171 --> 00:19:35,706 It was aggravating me, and I asked her to stop 288 00:19:35,807 --> 00:19:37,375 several times. 289 00:19:37,476 --> 00:19:38,943 He's so spoiled. 290 00:19:39,044 --> 00:19:40,611 Of course, he'd turn out like this. 291 00:19:40,712 --> 00:19:42,613 After she kept on, I said, 292 00:19:42,714 --> 00:19:44,315 "Well, if you don't stop now, 293 00:19:44,416 --> 00:19:46,784 "I'm pulling off, 294 00:19:46,885 --> 00:19:49,453 and you will get out of my vehicle." 295 00:19:49,555 --> 00:19:52,390 Shut up. You don't tell me what to do. 296 00:19:52,491 --> 00:19:56,060 She turned around in the passenger's seat 297 00:19:56,161 --> 00:19:59,664 and started kicking with every ounce 298 00:19:59,765 --> 00:20:02,800 of her strength in her leg. 299 00:20:02,868 --> 00:20:06,070 Stop it! Are you trying to kill us!? 300 00:20:06,171 --> 00:20:08,139 She kicked me in my face, 301 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:12,743 um, and on my arm, my ribs. 302 00:20:12,844 --> 00:20:15,413 I mean, here we are on the interstate. 303 00:20:15,514 --> 00:20:18,449 Here we have our children 304 00:20:18,550 --> 00:20:21,752 with us -- she did not care. 305 00:20:21,853 --> 00:20:25,623 Cammy was acting with reckless abandon, 306 00:20:25,724 --> 00:20:29,427 because the need to control 307 00:20:29,528 --> 00:20:33,531 and get revenge was greater than survival 308 00:20:33,632 --> 00:20:35,199 at that point in time. 309 00:20:35,300 --> 00:20:37,468 Stop it! Stop it! Stop it! 310 00:20:37,569 --> 00:20:40,938 I pulled off, and I made her get out of my car. 311 00:20:43,709 --> 00:20:46,310 I felt badly 312 00:20:46,411 --> 00:20:50,314 about leaving my sister on the side of the interstate, 313 00:20:50,415 --> 00:20:53,317 but that was overridden 314 00:20:53,418 --> 00:20:56,654 by the thought of keeping the occupants 315 00:20:56,755 --> 00:20:58,689 of that vehicle safe. 316 00:20:58,790 --> 00:21:01,492 I did the right thing. 317 00:21:01,593 --> 00:21:02,793 She could have killed us. 318 00:21:14,306 --> 00:21:16,073 All right, this is my sister 319 00:21:16,174 --> 00:21:18,843 and my dear brother-in-law, Thierry, 320 00:21:18,944 --> 00:21:23,547 and they are in France, maybe on their honeymoon. 321 00:21:23,649 --> 00:21:27,184 After the divorce from her first husband, 322 00:21:27,286 --> 00:21:30,321 Cammy met Thierry at the Department of Revenue in 323 00:21:30,422 --> 00:21:33,457 Raleigh, where she worked, as well. 324 00:21:33,558 --> 00:21:39,297 Their relationship, mostly, 325 00:21:39,398 --> 00:21:40,631 was volatile. 326 00:21:40,732 --> 00:21:46,304 But there were times like this where 327 00:21:46,405 --> 00:21:49,774 you could sense some fun-loving. 328 00:21:49,875 --> 00:21:54,345 It's wonderful to see them like that. 329 00:21:54,446 --> 00:21:56,947 She looks genuinely happy. 330 00:22:03,488 --> 00:22:05,890 I know how much he loved her. 331 00:22:05,991 --> 00:22:08,392 I'm not sure the other way around. 332 00:22:10,062 --> 00:22:12,797 When Cammy married Thierry, 333 00:22:12,898 --> 00:22:17,668 she knew he had a kidney condition, and she commented 334 00:22:17,769 --> 00:22:19,904 once that the only reason that 335 00:22:20,005 --> 00:22:23,307 she married him was because he had 336 00:22:23,408 --> 00:22:27,111 a kidney disorder and that 337 00:22:27,212 --> 00:22:30,748 she didn't feel like that he would live that long. 338 00:22:30,849 --> 00:22:33,951 I really like him. 339 00:22:34,052 --> 00:22:35,786 - Yeah. - Yeah. 340 00:22:35,887 --> 00:22:37,788 We'll see how long it lasts. 341 00:22:39,358 --> 00:22:41,926 And that he would have good insurance. 342 00:22:42,027 --> 00:22:46,831 I cannot remember exactly my response, 343 00:22:46,932 --> 00:22:51,569 but I do know that I would reprimand her. 344 00:22:51,670 --> 00:22:54,004 If I'm lucky, he won't last long. 345 00:22:55,107 --> 00:22:56,140 It's not right. 346 00:22:56,241 --> 00:22:59,810 It's insanity. That's evil. 347 00:22:59,911 --> 00:23:03,180 That's -- that's a terrible thing to say. 348 00:23:03,281 --> 00:23:07,518 I'm surprised that it slipped out. 349 00:23:07,619 --> 00:23:09,687 I don't think that 350 00:23:09,788 --> 00:23:13,791 she intended necessarily to 351 00:23:13,892 --> 00:23:16,260 reveal that. 352 00:23:16,361 --> 00:23:17,495 Maybe she did. 353 00:23:17,596 --> 00:23:20,264 Maybe she liked the shock factor. 354 00:23:20,365 --> 00:23:23,667 It was a very Cammy-like thing to do. 355 00:23:38,350 --> 00:23:40,451 When Cammy and Thierry divorced, 356 00:23:40,552 --> 00:23:45,055 it was a terrible custody battle for the children. 357 00:23:45,157 --> 00:23:48,959 Thierry and I started talking about it. 358 00:23:49,060 --> 00:23:53,230 Thierry thought that Cammy had broken into 359 00:23:53,331 --> 00:23:57,735 his apartment, because little things would be altered. 360 00:23:59,104 --> 00:24:03,274 He noticed that his underclothes drawer had been 361 00:24:03,375 --> 00:24:05,576 tampered with, 362 00:24:05,677 --> 00:24:08,879 and his medicine cabinet had been tampered with. 363 00:24:08,980 --> 00:24:12,082 He needed medication daily. 364 00:24:12,184 --> 00:24:15,886 Was she actually trying to kill him then? 365 00:24:15,987 --> 00:24:17,054 I don't know. 366 00:24:18,590 --> 00:24:21,959 I believe that Cammy was always trying 367 00:24:22,060 --> 00:24:25,062 to send messages to everyone in her life. 368 00:24:25,163 --> 00:24:27,965 We're seeing a progression 369 00:24:28,066 --> 00:24:31,135 of that sinister behavior, that darkness. 370 00:24:32,838 --> 00:24:34,672 After Cammy lost custody, 371 00:24:34,773 --> 00:24:38,342 her behavior became even more about it. 372 00:24:38,443 --> 00:24:40,845 He would leave to take the children to school in 373 00:24:40,946 --> 00:24:43,180 the morning, and she'd follow him, 374 00:24:43,281 --> 00:24:46,750 and she had a wig on. 375 00:24:46,852 --> 00:24:51,655 That's when he first realized that she was stalking him, 376 00:24:51,756 --> 00:24:54,558 watching, always watching. 377 00:25:07,973 --> 00:25:12,376 When Cammy lost the children 378 00:25:12,477 --> 00:25:17,081 and Thierry became their full guardian, 379 00:25:17,182 --> 00:25:19,984 she blamed me 380 00:25:20,085 --> 00:25:22,119 and said that I had paid off 381 00:25:22,220 --> 00:25:25,623 the judges and paid for his lawyers. 382 00:25:26,992 --> 00:25:31,362 Of course, that wasn't the truth at all. 383 00:25:31,463 --> 00:25:33,030 But that was what she believed. 384 00:25:33,131 --> 00:25:38,536 Cammy had a seething rage that was directed toward me, 385 00:25:38,637 --> 00:25:43,340 because she thought that I was directly responsible 386 00:25:43,441 --> 00:25:45,843 for her losing her children. 387 00:25:45,944 --> 00:25:49,813 She never openly threatened, but there were several times 388 00:25:49,915 --> 00:25:51,549 that Cammy had called me, 389 00:25:51,650 --> 00:25:56,153 making reference to things she wouldn't have known about 390 00:25:56,254 --> 00:25:59,356 unless she had been stalking me. 391 00:25:59,457 --> 00:26:02,593 You're not scaring me. Stop calling here. 392 00:26:02,694 --> 00:26:06,196 And sometimes, at night, 393 00:26:06,298 --> 00:26:10,367 I would get this eerie feeling 394 00:26:10,468 --> 00:26:15,506 or sensation that someone was watching me. 395 00:26:16,875 --> 00:26:21,478 I immediately shut all blinds and locked all doors. 396 00:26:21,580 --> 00:26:25,082 It's like that almost panic -- Do it now. 397 00:26:26,384 --> 00:26:31,188 I felt like she could come into my home and hurt me 398 00:26:31,289 --> 00:26:33,691 while I was sleeping, 399 00:26:33,792 --> 00:26:35,859 while I was watching TV. 400 00:26:38,263 --> 00:26:42,366 I felt like my life was in jeopardy. 401 00:26:51,876 --> 00:26:56,614 CINDY: I feel like court issues and losing her children 402 00:26:56,715 --> 00:27:00,618 really put Cammy over an edge. 403 00:27:00,719 --> 00:27:02,620 [phone ringing] 404 00:27:02,721 --> 00:27:05,289 One day, I got a call from the detective... 405 00:27:05,390 --> 00:27:06,357 Hello? 406 00:27:06,458 --> 00:27:09,593 ...in the city that she lived in 407 00:27:09,694 --> 00:27:13,864 stating that a report was filed against me, 408 00:27:13,965 --> 00:27:18,068 because I was poisoning her food. 409 00:27:18,169 --> 00:27:20,304 Wait... she did it again. 410 00:27:21,373 --> 00:27:23,140 I would get a call once a month, 411 00:27:23,241 --> 00:27:25,909 at least, with them saying that 412 00:27:26,011 --> 00:27:29,680 she was reporting a crime, that 413 00:27:29,781 --> 00:27:33,617 I had been in her house and had poisoned her food. 414 00:27:33,718 --> 00:27:36,387 And the next time, it would be the water. 415 00:27:36,488 --> 00:27:39,156 You know this is ridiculous, right? 416 00:27:39,257 --> 00:27:42,426 CINDY: She really believed that I hated her that much. 417 00:27:42,527 --> 00:27:46,964 As a matter of fact, once she called me, she was crying 418 00:27:47,065 --> 00:27:48,632 almost uncontrollably, 419 00:27:48,733 --> 00:27:51,235 and she said, "What have I ever done to make you hate me 420 00:27:51,336 --> 00:27:52,469 like you do?" 421 00:27:56,341 --> 00:27:57,574 That was tough. 422 00:27:59,144 --> 00:28:00,711 That was so tough to hear. 423 00:28:05,016 --> 00:28:07,217 Anyway, she believed it 424 00:28:07,318 --> 00:28:09,119 and still does. 425 00:28:21,166 --> 00:28:26,970 I was home with my family one day for my birthday. 426 00:28:28,873 --> 00:28:33,811 Cammy comes in my house and brings me a birthday cake, 427 00:28:33,912 --> 00:28:37,381 and I said, "What the world is that?" 428 00:28:37,482 --> 00:28:39,917 Cammy? 429 00:28:40,018 --> 00:28:42,086 And she's got this solemn look on her face, 430 00:28:42,187 --> 00:28:44,955 and she said, "It's a birthday cake." 431 00:28:45,056 --> 00:28:46,190 I baked you a cake. 432 00:28:47,859 --> 00:28:51,829 I said, "Do you literally think that I would eat that", 433 00:28:51,930 --> 00:28:54,665 after all you've accused me of? 434 00:28:54,766 --> 00:28:55,666 Why not? 435 00:28:57,335 --> 00:29:00,270 CINDY: I thought that there was a possibility 436 00:29:00,371 --> 00:29:03,040 Cammy poisoned the cake that she brought me. 437 00:29:04,909 --> 00:29:07,044 I told her to take the cake back. 438 00:29:07,145 --> 00:29:10,013 Don't you think things are going too far? 439 00:29:10,115 --> 00:29:14,318 And I said, "Why can we not be friends? 440 00:29:14,419 --> 00:29:16,820 Why does it have to be this way?" 441 00:29:16,921 --> 00:29:23,393 And she said, "I did not take your children away from you." 442 00:29:23,495 --> 00:29:26,830 - But you helped them take mine! - I had nothing to do with it! 443 00:29:28,166 --> 00:29:31,668 At that point in time, I lost all 444 00:29:31,770 --> 00:29:37,307 manner of control, and I literally attacked her. 445 00:29:37,408 --> 00:29:39,209 [arguing indistinctly] 446 00:29:39,310 --> 00:29:40,277 I had just had it 447 00:29:40,378 --> 00:29:43,347 with her shenanigans toward me for years. 448 00:29:43,448 --> 00:29:47,184 I kept shaking her and saying, "You need to take medication." 449 00:29:47,285 --> 00:29:50,854 And then my husband, David, came, 450 00:29:50,955 --> 00:29:53,490 and he said, "Cammy, you need to leave." 451 00:29:53,591 --> 00:29:55,459 You gotta go. You gotta go now. 452 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,096 CINDY: She would listen to him more so than she would me, 453 00:29:59,197 --> 00:30:00,297 so she left. 454 00:30:03,735 --> 00:30:05,402 But I wouldn't have put it 455 00:30:05,503 --> 00:30:07,604 past her to come back for revenge. 456 00:30:07,705 --> 00:30:10,541 She thought that I was out to destroy her. 457 00:30:10,642 --> 00:30:12,242 I have no clue why. 458 00:30:20,852 --> 00:30:25,055 Our last Christmas together, she wasn't invited, 459 00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:27,191 because she had a restraining order, 460 00:30:27,292 --> 00:30:31,695 and she wasn't supposed to be near the kids. 461 00:30:31,796 --> 00:30:33,497 Merry Christmas. 462 00:30:34,833 --> 00:30:36,733 CINDY: And she came. 463 00:30:38,102 --> 00:30:39,169 What are you doing here? 464 00:30:39,270 --> 00:30:41,738 No, you're not supposed to be here. 465 00:30:43,308 --> 00:30:46,743 CINDY: I was watching her hands in her coat pocket. 466 00:30:49,214 --> 00:30:51,415 I was afraid of a gun. 467 00:30:51,516 --> 00:30:53,850 I didn't trust her. 468 00:30:53,918 --> 00:30:57,087 The children went to the basement with Thierry. 469 00:30:57,188 --> 00:30:59,089 I took her aside, and I told her that 470 00:30:59,190 --> 00:31:01,592 she wasn't supposed to be there, 471 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,495 and I told her to leave, and she 472 00:31:05,597 --> 00:31:10,033 got a little smirky look on her face. 473 00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:13,537 I was 474 00:31:13,638 --> 00:31:17,107 obsessed with watching her hands in her pockets. 475 00:31:17,208 --> 00:31:18,408 It's Christmas. 476 00:31:19,944 --> 00:31:22,746 I do think that she was deeply, 477 00:31:22,847 --> 00:31:24,548 deeply hurt. 478 00:31:24,649 --> 00:31:27,184 Having Christmas, which is the grandest of all 479 00:31:27,285 --> 00:31:29,853 holidays in my family, and for 480 00:31:29,954 --> 00:31:32,356 her not to be able to be invited. 481 00:31:35,526 --> 00:31:40,464 I feel like she was deeply wounded and hurt, and I'm sorry. 482 00:31:50,174 --> 00:31:55,112 I was starting to be fearful for Thierry and myself. 483 00:31:55,246 --> 00:31:56,947 His life could be in trouble. 484 00:31:58,816 --> 00:32:04,221 One day, I had ice cream with Thierry, and I said, 485 00:32:04,322 --> 00:32:06,623 "Can I talk to you about something?" 486 00:32:06,724 --> 00:32:09,426 And he said, "Sure, sis, what's on your mind?" 487 00:32:10,795 --> 00:32:12,696 I'll never forget that. 488 00:32:12,797 --> 00:32:15,432 I just... 489 00:32:16,534 --> 00:32:18,969 I feel like she's up to something. 490 00:32:19,070 --> 00:32:23,507 I said, Thierry, "You know, both of us are in danger of" 491 00:32:23,608 --> 00:32:24,641 "being killed. 492 00:32:24,742 --> 00:32:27,411 Cammy could come after us, either one of us." 493 00:32:28,713 --> 00:32:31,281 And he said, "Yeah, sis, I know that." 494 00:32:31,382 --> 00:32:33,183 I said, "Well, what are you doing about it? 495 00:32:33,284 --> 00:32:34,384 Are you doing anything?" 496 00:32:34,485 --> 00:32:37,254 He goes, "Well, I'm working on some things." 497 00:32:39,324 --> 00:32:42,793 That conversation was one month before it 498 00:32:42,894 --> 00:32:44,061 actually happened. 499 00:32:47,131 --> 00:32:51,568 On March 24th, 2006, 500 00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:54,004 I was at home, -[phone ringing] 501 00:32:54,105 --> 00:32:57,607 and I got a call. - [phone ringing] 502 00:32:57,709 --> 00:32:59,042 Hello. 503 00:32:59,143 --> 00:33:01,278 It was the detective, 504 00:33:01,379 --> 00:33:04,114 and he said, 505 00:33:04,215 --> 00:33:07,985 "I need to tell you, your sister... 506 00:33:08,086 --> 00:33:11,488 has shot your brother-in-law." 507 00:33:18,629 --> 00:33:20,764 She shot him? 508 00:33:20,865 --> 00:33:24,101 I went totally out of kilter with that call 509 00:33:24,202 --> 00:33:25,936 and just started screaming. 510 00:33:26,037 --> 00:33:29,139 No, no! 511 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:30,207 I just kept saying, 512 00:33:30,308 --> 00:33:32,042 I know, I know, I know. 513 00:33:32,143 --> 00:33:35,045 I said, "Can you tell me what happened?" 514 00:33:36,347 --> 00:33:39,983 Thierry and Cammy met in the park that day. 515 00:33:40,084 --> 00:33:45,255 She convinced Thierry, even though it was disallowed 516 00:33:45,356 --> 00:33:46,923 to meet her for pizza 517 00:33:47,025 --> 00:33:49,493 in order to see the children. 518 00:33:49,594 --> 00:33:52,262 They met, 519 00:33:52,363 --> 00:33:57,234 and she said, "Can I talk to you for a minute?" 520 00:33:57,335 --> 00:33:59,803 And he said, 521 00:33:59,904 --> 00:34:04,107 "Yes," and Cammy shot Thierry in the stomach. 522 00:34:06,177 --> 00:34:10,480 Were the kids there -- The kids were there? 523 00:34:10,581 --> 00:34:12,182 I am believing 524 00:34:12,283 --> 00:34:16,920 he thought she would never do this 525 00:34:17,021 --> 00:34:20,057 in front of her children. 526 00:34:20,158 --> 00:34:21,992 Oh, no, no. 527 00:34:22,093 --> 00:34:26,897 She went back to be with the children, telling 'em 528 00:34:26,998 --> 00:34:30,167 that everything was gonna be okay, that daddy 529 00:34:30,268 --> 00:34:31,868 was gonna be fine. 530 00:34:33,104 --> 00:34:35,038 The children were eight years old 531 00:34:35,139 --> 00:34:37,140 and six years old. 532 00:34:37,241 --> 00:34:40,944 I felt pity for the children. 533 00:34:42,447 --> 00:34:43,980 It's almost like, in your own ears, 534 00:34:44,082 --> 00:34:46,683 you can hear the shot ringing out. 535 00:34:46,818 --> 00:34:52,122 I can almost see them as they saw their father fall. 536 00:34:52,223 --> 00:34:57,828 I don't think that Cammy meant to kill him. 537 00:34:57,929 --> 00:35:02,232 She was planning on scaring him into submission. 538 00:35:04,969 --> 00:35:06,169 No, no! 539 00:35:16,514 --> 00:35:18,582 This is a picture 540 00:35:20,051 --> 00:35:22,452 of my precious, precious brother-in-law 541 00:35:22,553 --> 00:35:24,821 and his children. 542 00:35:30,461 --> 00:35:32,662 Just a beautiful family, 543 00:35:32,763 --> 00:35:36,633 totally destroyed by the decisions of one person. 544 00:35:41,739 --> 00:35:46,143 I was much closer to Thierry than ever 545 00:35:46,244 --> 00:35:47,644 I was to Cammy. 546 00:35:50,715 --> 00:35:54,518 When Cammy shot Thierry, and he died, 547 00:35:56,587 --> 00:35:58,855 I was devastated with the news 548 00:36:00,892 --> 00:36:01,992 that he was gone. 549 00:36:07,498 --> 00:36:12,035 Every time somebody that we really love leaves 550 00:36:12,136 --> 00:36:16,173 the earth, a piece of us goes with them. 551 00:36:19,043 --> 00:36:21,178 I'm not doing real well. 552 00:36:34,759 --> 00:36:38,461 Thierry survived the initial shooting. 553 00:36:38,563 --> 00:36:42,332 He was the one that called 911, 554 00:36:42,433 --> 00:36:44,201 and immediately, the police were there, 555 00:36:44,302 --> 00:36:46,770 and she was arrested. 556 00:36:46,871 --> 00:36:51,141 She was taken immediately to Wake County jail. 557 00:36:51,242 --> 00:36:56,613 And even though I really was still angry with her, 558 00:36:56,714 --> 00:36:59,382 I visited her in jail. 559 00:37:00,685 --> 00:37:03,086 And I walk in. 560 00:37:03,187 --> 00:37:05,188 Of course, she's behind the glass. 561 00:37:06,691 --> 00:37:09,092 And she has the most 562 00:37:09,193 --> 00:37:12,028 horrible look on her face. 563 00:37:16,067 --> 00:37:21,271 Between anger and devastation. 564 00:37:22,940 --> 00:37:25,842 It's almost a spiritual darkness. 565 00:37:28,446 --> 00:37:29,980 And I say, "Cammy, 566 00:37:30,081 --> 00:37:34,150 what in the world is the matter?" 567 00:37:34,252 --> 00:37:35,285 Why did you do this? 568 00:37:37,955 --> 00:37:40,490 And, once again, 569 00:37:41,559 --> 00:37:44,861 I heard the words, "I did not 570 00:37:44,962 --> 00:37:48,431 have your children taken away from you." 571 00:37:50,001 --> 00:37:52,435 But you helped them take mine. 572 00:37:54,105 --> 00:37:58,541 So at that point, I told her that the next time 573 00:37:58,643 --> 00:38:02,612 that I saw her hopefully would be in the next life. 574 00:38:04,081 --> 00:38:06,983 And she immediately laughed 575 00:38:08,886 --> 00:38:10,353 and said, "If you're talking about 576 00:38:10,454 --> 00:38:13,290 heaven, you're not gonna be there." 577 00:38:15,393 --> 00:38:18,628 I can't do this anymore. 578 00:38:18,729 --> 00:38:21,264 I told her that I would not be 579 00:38:21,365 --> 00:38:25,702 visiting her again ever as long as I lived. 580 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:35,211 I hung up the phone, and I just walked out. 581 00:38:35,313 --> 00:38:38,081 That was in 2008. 582 00:38:38,182 --> 00:38:40,450 I never went back to see her. 583 00:38:40,551 --> 00:38:45,355 Cammy was charged with second-degree murder. 584 00:38:45,456 --> 00:38:52,028 I can remember one attorney that met with my family, 585 00:38:52,129 --> 00:38:56,466 and he said, "She will be doing very well" 586 00:38:56,567 --> 00:38:59,402 "if she escapes 587 00:38:59,503 --> 00:39:02,539 the electric chair." 588 00:39:14,685 --> 00:39:17,554 I didn't feel like that was enough. 589 00:39:17,655 --> 00:39:19,989 I mean, we're talking about murder here. 590 00:39:21,959 --> 00:39:24,361 I was hoping for life. 591 00:39:24,462 --> 00:39:26,730 I think that it would have been 592 00:39:26,831 --> 00:39:32,068 a blessing if it had been the death penalty. 593 00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:38,808 And I say that with full love in my heart 594 00:39:38,909 --> 00:39:40,744 for her best interest, 595 00:39:42,446 --> 00:39:43,880 because I'm not sure what kind of 596 00:39:43,981 --> 00:39:46,549 life that she has ahead of her. 597 00:39:46,650 --> 00:39:50,120 She'll serve her sentence and get free 598 00:39:50,221 --> 00:39:53,857 and be walking the streets of society, 599 00:39:55,192 --> 00:39:56,326 and shortly. 600 00:40:07,405 --> 00:40:11,708 I feel like that there is potential for Cammy 601 00:40:11,809 --> 00:40:14,811 coming after me. 602 00:40:14,912 --> 00:40:17,147 But I'm not scared for Cammy 603 00:40:17,248 --> 00:40:21,618 to be released from prison, because I'm prepared. 604 00:40:24,321 --> 00:40:27,991 As soon as she's released, I will get a restraining order, 605 00:40:28,092 --> 00:40:31,928 but I also got a concealed carry, 606 00:40:32,029 --> 00:40:33,029 and I will carry, 607 00:40:34,298 --> 00:40:36,433 if that day happens, 608 00:40:36,534 --> 00:40:38,001 all the time. 609 00:40:46,677 --> 00:40:50,680 I think this is when she was in jail. 610 00:40:50,781 --> 00:40:52,816 She just looks so sad. 611 00:41:02,126 --> 00:41:03,793 I'm sorry for the pain that she has brought 612 00:41:03,894 --> 00:41:06,062 to people's lives, 613 00:41:06,163 --> 00:41:09,032 but this picture makes me want to hold her. 614 00:41:11,702 --> 00:41:14,804 I wish I could make things okay for her. 615 00:41:14,905 --> 00:41:18,441 I wish I could make her mind well and reverse 616 00:41:18,542 --> 00:41:20,276 people's hurts, 617 00:41:20,377 --> 00:41:22,912 for her children, for Thierry. 618 00:41:25,182 --> 00:41:26,816 It's pretty devastating. 619 00:41:28,986 --> 00:41:34,691 I wish I had the ability to reconstruct her life 620 00:41:34,792 --> 00:41:40,196 and make decisions for her that would turn out to be happy. 621 00:41:42,099 --> 00:41:43,967 I want her to be happy. 622 00:41:44,068 --> 00:41:47,770 Yes, I do love her very much. 623 00:41:47,872 --> 00:41:49,038 Even with all the pain that 624 00:41:49,139 --> 00:41:51,875 she's brought myself and other people, 625 00:41:51,976 --> 00:41:55,745 I still love her 626 00:41:55,846 --> 00:41:57,947 very, very much. 627 00:41:58,048 --> 00:42:02,151 It's an unconditional love. 628 00:42:07,191 --> 00:42:11,861 I wish you could have believed I never meant any harm for you. 629 00:42:13,931 --> 00:42:17,333 Some day, you'll know the truth. 630 00:42:20,905 --> 00:42:22,705 Some day, you'll know the truth.