1 00:00:03,545 --> 00:00:05,756 That's my mother and Dave Rogers, 2 00:00:06,798 --> 00:00:10,010 and that's Kern County Fair, don't know what year. 3 00:00:11,428 --> 00:00:12,513 A couple in love, you know? 4 00:00:13,555 --> 00:00:16,015 Well, people right now just think about it. 5 00:00:16,099 --> 00:00:18,185 She was so blinded by his love, his affection, 6 00:00:18,310 --> 00:00:22,147 his everything for her that she couldn't see anything else. 7 00:00:22,231 --> 00:00:23,357 And even if she did see it, 8 00:00:23,482 --> 00:00:25,108 she wouldn't let herself believe it. 9 00:00:26,652 --> 00:00:27,653 I mean, 10 00:00:29,029 --> 00:00:30,030 the man's a monster. 11 00:00:42,709 --> 00:00:45,837 [newscaster] The bodies of a 20-year-old woman and a 15-year-old girl 12 00:00:45,921 --> 00:00:48,840 who both worked Union Avenue were found in the same 13 00:00:48,924 --> 00:00:51,510 Arvin Canal, both killed with the same weapon. 14 00:00:51,593 --> 00:00:54,388 But it was a bombshell when the killer turned out to be 15 00:00:54,471 --> 00:00:56,974 a sheriff's deputy, David Keith Rogers. 16 00:01:01,812 --> 00:01:04,355 Mr. David Keith Rogers, yep, this is him. 17 00:01:06,233 --> 00:01:09,194 Typical picture of... 18 00:01:09,278 --> 00:01:11,530 of evil. 19 00:01:11,613 --> 00:01:13,240 Policemen are supposed to be good people, you know, 20 00:01:14,449 --> 00:01:16,326 they're supposed to be. 21 00:01:16,410 --> 00:01:18,829 That man cost me a lot right there, cost my mom, 22 00:01:18,912 --> 00:01:19,913 he cost a couple lives. 23 00:01:21,582 --> 00:01:23,959 My mom passed away, this man's still alive 24 00:01:24,084 --> 00:01:26,837 and he still has that smug look on it, 25 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:28,922 even though look where he's at. 26 00:01:29,006 --> 00:01:31,049 That's taxpayers, we spend seventy thousand dollars 27 00:01:31,133 --> 00:01:32,843 a year to house this 28 00:01:32,926 --> 00:01:34,928 this killer here, and that's evil. 29 00:01:40,642 --> 00:01:43,186 [The Paper Chase's "What's So Amazing About Grace?" plays] 30 00:01:46,231 --> 00:01:48,525 [static crackling] 31 00:01:48,609 --> 00:01:50,319 [strings continue playing sinister tune] 32 00:01:51,652 --> 00:01:53,280 -[knock at door] -[creaking] 33 00:01:53,363 --> 00:01:55,949 -[banging on door] -[creaking] 34 00:01:58,452 --> 00:02:00,787 -[banging on door] -[creaking] 35 00:02:03,957 --> 00:02:06,168 [water dripping] 36 00:02:06,293 --> 00:02:08,711 -[banging on door] -[creaking] 37 00:02:08,794 --> 00:02:10,339 [sinister chord strikes] 38 00:02:18,805 --> 00:02:20,807 This is a photo album. 39 00:02:20,932 --> 00:02:22,559 Um, my mom kept every article there was 40 00:02:23,852 --> 00:02:25,020 to deal with the case and stuff. 41 00:02:27,773 --> 00:02:32,402 And as you go through it, you just -- she kept 42 00:02:32,486 --> 00:02:35,864 a re -- a detailed record of all the police articles and... 43 00:02:40,327 --> 00:02:42,496 I guess it was to remind her. I don't know. 44 00:02:42,621 --> 00:02:45,165 I wouldn't have done that, but she just -- she kept 45 00:02:45,290 --> 00:02:46,291 everything she could. 46 00:02:48,793 --> 00:02:50,545 My feelings at the time was, 47 00:02:50,671 --> 00:02:52,756 "Why, why torture yourself," you know? 48 00:02:52,839 --> 00:02:54,758 But she loved that man, no matter what. 49 00:02:59,346 --> 00:03:00,722 This is after he was arrested. 50 00:03:02,140 --> 00:03:03,684 "'I had been through three marriages.' 51 00:03:05,602 --> 00:03:08,355 "Mrs. Rogers said, 'When those ended, I figured there ain't no 52 00:03:08,438 --> 00:03:11,274 "man out there worth having. Then along came David 53 00:03:12,943 --> 00:03:14,069 "and changed my mind. 54 00:03:14,194 --> 00:03:18,115 "I never in my whole life had a man open car doors for me. 55 00:03:18,198 --> 00:03:20,909 "I've never had anyone buy gifts for me for any reason, 56 00:03:21,034 --> 00:03:23,537 "bring home flowers, hold my hand whenever you go, 57 00:03:23,620 --> 00:03:26,248 "wherever you go, and wanted to be with you all the time. 58 00:03:28,458 --> 00:03:30,711 "That's why everything was such a shock,' she said, 59 00:03:30,794 --> 00:03:32,337 "her voice trailing off. 60 00:03:32,421 --> 00:03:34,548 "We always talked about things, 61 00:03:34,631 --> 00:03:36,716 "and this other personality just wasn't there. 62 00:03:39,261 --> 00:03:40,595 "I know it's hard for people to believe. 63 00:03:41,722 --> 00:03:44,266 "It never surfaced in David, not in his job, 64 00:03:44,391 --> 00:03:45,559 not in his home life'". 65 00:03:49,228 --> 00:03:50,731 That best describes the whole thing. 66 00:03:50,856 --> 00:03:52,482 It was the facade he was putting on. 67 00:03:52,566 --> 00:03:55,444 I mean, he was a very good person to her, 68 00:03:55,569 --> 00:03:58,905 you know, and, you know, she was quite happy, 69 00:03:58,989 --> 00:04:01,074 and she never did -- she did never see it. 70 00:04:02,242 --> 00:04:06,496 So that was her opinion of him, and she kept it till the end. 71 00:04:08,582 --> 00:04:09,583 She truly loved the man. 72 00:04:14,755 --> 00:04:16,548 But his true colors finally came out. 73 00:04:16,630 --> 00:04:18,300 [ominous music plays] 74 00:04:40,280 --> 00:04:42,491 [solemn music plays] 75 00:04:44,451 --> 00:04:46,328 That is the wedding picture of them. 76 00:04:47,871 --> 00:04:49,873 From the time I met him until they got married was 77 00:04:49,956 --> 00:04:51,625 a short amount of time in my eyes. 78 00:04:51,750 --> 00:04:55,754 But my mom's happiness was, was the most important thing. 79 00:04:57,130 --> 00:04:58,089 It was everything. 80 00:04:58,173 --> 00:04:59,841 I mean, she brought me into this world. 81 00:04:59,966 --> 00:05:02,260 She deserved everything she could get. 82 00:05:02,344 --> 00:05:04,638 I was happy that he was gonna make my mom happy. 83 00:05:04,763 --> 00:05:07,432 My father was a drunk, and he abused her a lot. 84 00:05:08,683 --> 00:05:10,352 And, you know, he's a cop, so that means he's 85 00:05:10,477 --> 00:05:11,812 a good character, supposedly. 86 00:05:19,069 --> 00:05:20,195 -[murmurs] -Like a wolf in sheep's clothing 87 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:21,738 right there. He is. 88 00:05:23,907 --> 00:05:26,159 [dramatic music plays] 89 00:05:33,332 --> 00:05:36,169 [Tony] Bonding with David Rogers was a little hard. 90 00:05:36,253 --> 00:05:37,879 We were all staying over there at his house, 91 00:05:38,004 --> 00:05:40,215 and it was that macho thing. 92 00:05:40,340 --> 00:05:43,176 You know, it was his house and the whole thing. 93 00:05:43,260 --> 00:05:46,596 You know, he was alpha. You know, he just, dominance. 94 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,723 He just projected, you know, "You do as I say" 95 00:05:48,849 --> 00:05:51,183 and everything. 96 00:05:51,268 --> 00:05:52,686 You know, he was a typical [bleep]. 97 00:05:54,271 --> 00:05:58,066 And then I -- being a cop kind of made me nervous, you know, 98 00:05:58,191 --> 00:05:59,651 just as a kid who's doing dumb things. 99 00:05:59,734 --> 00:06:02,237 And I was pretty much experimenting with drugs 100 00:06:02,362 --> 00:06:03,530 at the time. 101 00:06:03,655 --> 00:06:07,534 And it made me nervous, to say the least. 102 00:06:13,081 --> 00:06:15,208 He had a garden growing in the backyard 103 00:06:15,333 --> 00:06:16,793 and some things to it. 104 00:06:16,877 --> 00:06:18,962 And I basically took over the garden. 105 00:06:19,045 --> 00:06:21,381 And then I was thinking that'd be the perfect time to 106 00:06:23,216 --> 00:06:24,467 sneak in a couple of pot plants, 107 00:06:24,551 --> 00:06:27,387 because I had them hidden between some tomato plants 108 00:06:27,470 --> 00:06:29,931 and got away with it for quite a while. 109 00:06:30,056 --> 00:06:32,601 And then I came home one day, and it was in my bedroom, 110 00:06:32,726 --> 00:06:34,102 sitting on my bed. 111 00:06:34,227 --> 00:06:36,146 [suspenseful music plays] 112 00:06:38,565 --> 00:06:39,441 He found the plants. 113 00:06:39,566 --> 00:06:41,568 He pulled them, dirt and all, 114 00:06:41,693 --> 00:06:43,069 put them in the middle of my bed. 115 00:06:44,362 --> 00:06:46,448 I was waiting for the scolding that's gonna come 116 00:06:46,573 --> 00:06:48,575 or the lecture that's gonna come behind it. 117 00:06:48,700 --> 00:06:49,951 And act -- 118 00:06:50,076 --> 00:06:54,706 he could arrest me, you know, for that if he wanted to, 119 00:06:54,789 --> 00:06:56,917 because it was a felony at the time. 120 00:06:57,042 --> 00:07:00,045 And went to dinner, sat down at the table. 121 00:07:00,128 --> 00:07:01,922 Nothing was said. I kept staring at him. 122 00:07:02,047 --> 00:07:03,089 He was looking at me. 123 00:07:06,134 --> 00:07:07,677 But I think a lot was really said 124 00:07:09,262 --> 00:07:11,181 without being said. 125 00:07:11,264 --> 00:07:13,016 It was his way of controlling me, 126 00:07:13,099 --> 00:07:14,768 making me squirm and enjoying it. 127 00:07:18,104 --> 00:07:19,981 The feeling was terrible, actually. 128 00:07:21,775 --> 00:07:24,945 And it -- that went on for a while, just every time 129 00:07:25,070 --> 00:07:26,988 I looked at him, always had that [bleep]-eating grin. 130 00:07:30,325 --> 00:07:31,618 Man never said a word. 131 00:07:32,619 --> 00:07:35,830 Never, not one word ever mentioned about it, ever. 132 00:07:37,874 --> 00:07:40,377 It ate me up as he tried to hold something over me 133 00:07:40,460 --> 00:07:41,836 that he could use later on. 134 00:07:42,921 --> 00:07:46,049 But, yeah, that was definitely his way of showing that, 135 00:07:46,132 --> 00:07:49,552 you know, "I'm the man," and, well, he was in control. 136 00:07:50,762 --> 00:07:52,889 And after that, it was just downhill. 137 00:07:52,973 --> 00:07:55,225 [tense music plays] 138 00:08:01,606 --> 00:08:03,817 [intriguing music plays] 139 00:08:03,900 --> 00:08:05,568 I was the oldest of my friends. 140 00:08:05,652 --> 00:08:08,571 I had the only vehicle, and I couldn't make it home 141 00:08:08,655 --> 00:08:10,573 without being pulled over by a sheriff. 142 00:08:13,326 --> 00:08:15,120 Anytime I saw a cop on the way out, I knew 143 00:08:15,203 --> 00:08:16,871 I was going to get pulled over. 144 00:08:16,997 --> 00:08:18,999 And I'm sure he just said "Well, let's give this kid"... 145 00:08:19,082 --> 00:08:21,001 a, you know, "Let's make him nervous 146 00:08:21,126 --> 00:08:23,128 or something like that." You know, I know he did. 147 00:08:24,796 --> 00:08:27,007 You get pulled over like nine different times 148 00:08:27,090 --> 00:08:29,551 in one night by sheriffs. 149 00:08:29,676 --> 00:08:31,052 You know he had something to do with that. 150 00:08:32,929 --> 00:08:34,389 Got old real fast after the second 151 00:08:34,514 --> 00:08:37,475 and third time, you know. I mean, we did nothing wrong. 152 00:08:37,558 --> 00:08:40,854 He was just messing with me, which really pissed me off. 153 00:08:40,937 --> 00:08:42,731 But nothing I can do about it. 154 00:08:44,691 --> 00:08:47,027 Yeah, definitely he was getting off 155 00:08:47,152 --> 00:08:48,236 on it completely. 156 00:08:48,361 --> 00:08:50,488 I mean, he always wanted control over everything. 157 00:08:55,577 --> 00:08:57,787 Yeah, he did, and, you know, 158 00:08:57,871 --> 00:08:59,706 he was gonna make my life miserable. 159 00:09:08,882 --> 00:09:10,258 When my mom first met him, 160 00:09:10,383 --> 00:09:11,968 my mom had a house on Penny Street. 161 00:09:13,553 --> 00:09:14,596 It was supposed to be empty. 162 00:09:14,721 --> 00:09:16,639 The thing on my mind was "Party house." 163 00:09:19,059 --> 00:09:21,019 There was like five of us in there just getting high. 164 00:09:21,102 --> 00:09:23,354 Next thing you know, the door flies open, 165 00:09:23,438 --> 00:09:24,981 and there's two policemen standing there. 166 00:09:28,359 --> 00:09:30,361 We were all surrounded, light shining on the house, 167 00:09:30,445 --> 00:09:33,782 and just the feeling of being trapped in a room like that. 168 00:09:33,907 --> 00:09:36,534 And then in the back of my mind, "Am I going to be OK over this? 169 00:09:36,618 --> 00:09:40,080 Or is it going to be bad? How it's going to play out?" 170 00:09:40,205 --> 00:09:42,248 And I had a hard time explaining to them. 171 00:09:42,373 --> 00:09:45,585 "Dave's my stepdad, you need to call him, this is his house." 172 00:09:45,710 --> 00:09:47,378 Right at that instant, the door pops open. 173 00:09:47,462 --> 00:09:50,381 [tense music plays] 174 00:09:50,465 --> 00:09:51,674 [footsteps approaching] 175 00:09:51,758 --> 00:09:53,593 [Tony] And he just walked up, 176 00:09:55,303 --> 00:09:56,888 stuck his head in through the door and looked around. 177 00:09:58,598 --> 00:09:59,599 Looked at me. 178 00:10:01,935 --> 00:10:03,436 But nothing was said. 179 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,021 You know, he just, he gave me that look. 180 00:10:06,731 --> 00:10:08,108 Like, "I can do this at any time." 181 00:10:10,652 --> 00:10:12,445 It's the way he did things. 182 00:10:12,570 --> 00:10:15,031 He just seemed to show up where we were at all the time. 183 00:10:15,115 --> 00:10:17,075 Like, this was back before tracking, 184 00:10:17,158 --> 00:10:18,284 back before cell phones and everything, 185 00:10:18,368 --> 00:10:20,954 but he just seemed to know where I was at all the time. 186 00:10:21,037 --> 00:10:23,665 And he'd show up, just... 187 00:10:23,790 --> 00:10:25,959 It's kind of weird, now that I think about it. 188 00:10:26,084 --> 00:10:27,085 He always showed up. 189 00:10:28,962 --> 00:10:31,589 But that probably was his way of trying to put his hand 190 00:10:31,673 --> 00:10:33,508 on top of me, knowing he'd squish me at any time. 191 00:10:43,560 --> 00:10:45,478 [intriguing music plays] 192 00:10:48,648 --> 00:10:50,775 Yeah, they called it the Jeep posse. 193 00:10:50,859 --> 00:10:53,153 They all had Jeeps or four-wheel drives, 194 00:10:53,278 --> 00:10:54,821 and they all did everything together. 195 00:10:54,946 --> 00:10:56,406 Brothers, basically. 196 00:10:57,490 --> 00:11:00,493 That's a typical picture of them. 197 00:11:00,618 --> 00:11:02,954 About every other weekend, Dave and my mom 198 00:11:03,037 --> 00:11:04,289 on the one end, and then 199 00:11:06,207 --> 00:11:08,501 uh, three of his partners and a wife there. 200 00:11:08,626 --> 00:11:12,046 It was mostly just a gathering of them eating and drinking. 201 00:11:12,172 --> 00:11:13,673 That's -- that's what they do. 202 00:11:13,756 --> 00:11:15,008 And if the women wasn't involved, 203 00:11:15,091 --> 00:11:16,426 the bull[bleep] started. 204 00:11:21,264 --> 00:11:23,183 The men would make a bonfire and sit around it, 205 00:11:24,392 --> 00:11:25,602 but I didn't want to be with them. 206 00:11:25,685 --> 00:11:28,021 So I just would lay back into that ground where no one 207 00:11:28,146 --> 00:11:31,733 would see me and just listen and observe. 208 00:11:31,858 --> 00:11:33,151 And they're all just [bleep] telling their stories 209 00:11:33,234 --> 00:11:34,986 and cleaning their weapons. 210 00:11:38,114 --> 00:11:39,699 Dave stood up, all of a sudden, 211 00:11:39,782 --> 00:11:41,034 like, "It's my time, y'all hush." 212 00:11:41,159 --> 00:11:42,535 Then he tells his story. 213 00:11:45,205 --> 00:11:49,125 And he tells a story of how he had arrested a young man, 214 00:11:49,209 --> 00:11:51,544 and he said this guy was getting on his nerve, 215 00:11:51,669 --> 00:11:54,505 so he decided he would show him who's boss 216 00:11:54,589 --> 00:11:58,051 and took him down to the river and... 217 00:11:58,134 --> 00:12:01,596 made him get out of the vehicle, made him kneel by the river. 218 00:12:01,721 --> 00:12:03,556 He said, "I put my gun to the back of his head," 219 00:12:04,557 --> 00:12:07,894 and then he's like, "Y'know I can do this and get away with it." 220 00:12:13,233 --> 00:12:14,859 And I'm sure the guy was scared. 221 00:12:16,069 --> 00:12:17,070 You know, I'm sure he was. 222 00:12:19,030 --> 00:12:21,407 You have control of their life at the moment. 223 00:12:21,532 --> 00:12:24,994 I mean, I don't even want to think about it anymore, 224 00:12:25,078 --> 00:12:26,579 about that. 225 00:12:26,663 --> 00:12:29,123 It was kind of like him when he just stared at me. 226 00:12:29,249 --> 00:12:31,542 You know, he gives that person that thought 227 00:12:31,626 --> 00:12:32,752 of what could have been. 228 00:12:34,254 --> 00:12:35,588 So once again, it's that controlling factor. 229 00:12:35,713 --> 00:12:36,714 He is now in control. 230 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,427 And then he put him back in the car, and... 231 00:12:41,552 --> 00:12:43,304 and then he just took him to jail. 232 00:12:45,390 --> 00:12:49,352 And I was looking for someone to say something about it. 233 00:12:51,229 --> 00:12:52,272 [chuckles] 234 00:12:52,397 --> 00:12:54,107 Nothing. 235 00:12:54,232 --> 00:12:56,442 Which scared me because he's a cop, 236 00:12:56,567 --> 00:12:58,653 you know, he's a cop and they're supposed 237 00:12:58,778 --> 00:12:59,779 to protect people. 238 00:13:01,698 --> 00:13:02,699 I thought I knew that man. 239 00:13:03,783 --> 00:13:04,993 I didn't know he was doing all that 240 00:13:06,452 --> 00:13:08,121 to that... to that extreme. 241 00:13:17,630 --> 00:13:20,383 [Tony] Bakersfield wasn't like it is today. 242 00:13:20,508 --> 00:13:23,803 Back then, it was actually a small town. 243 00:13:23,886 --> 00:13:26,389 Dave Rogers had the prostitution beat. 244 00:13:28,850 --> 00:13:35,189 It was Union Avenue from 58 to, you know, all the way to 178. 245 00:13:35,273 --> 00:13:36,524 It was basically 246 00:13:37,900 --> 00:13:41,529 the bad part of town, you know, because he requested 247 00:13:41,654 --> 00:13:43,323 for that beat, you know, there. 248 00:13:55,585 --> 00:13:58,296 He lent me the truck numerous, numerous times. 249 00:13:58,379 --> 00:14:02,050 And I would run across notes that had, you know, 250 00:14:02,175 --> 00:14:03,217 information on females. 251 00:14:05,887 --> 00:14:06,888 Their age, and the whole thing. 252 00:14:10,725 --> 00:14:13,686 He would take a picture of them. I don't know why he did that. 253 00:14:14,896 --> 00:14:17,565 At the time, I was assuming it was part of his job. 254 00:14:19,025 --> 00:14:20,151 But now I know that it wasn't. 255 00:14:20,234 --> 00:14:23,071 You know, it was leading into something worse. 256 00:14:25,740 --> 00:14:27,241 There was no telling what was in his evil mind. 257 00:14:29,577 --> 00:14:31,537 If it was for sexual fantasies or anything, 258 00:14:31,621 --> 00:14:34,749 or because he wanted to do something later, or... 259 00:14:34,832 --> 00:14:35,833 I don't know. 260 00:14:51,849 --> 00:14:53,309 Yeah, I can't really answer that. 261 00:14:53,434 --> 00:14:55,436 The sheriff's... 262 00:14:55,561 --> 00:14:58,398 test came up, I recall that, and I don't know if 263 00:14:58,481 --> 00:15:01,609 he encouraged me to do that or I jumped on it, you know, 264 00:15:01,692 --> 00:15:03,861 I just, the salary was good. 265 00:15:05,196 --> 00:15:07,448 And in a way, I guess I might want to impress him, 266 00:15:07,532 --> 00:15:09,575 you know, follow his footsteps or whatever. 267 00:15:09,659 --> 00:15:11,619 I really don't know my train of thought at the time, 268 00:15:11,702 --> 00:15:14,580 but it sounded like a good thing to do. 269 00:15:14,664 --> 00:15:17,375 I would hear him talk to mom about the authority he had 270 00:15:17,458 --> 00:15:19,961 and just his day, you know, 271 00:15:20,044 --> 00:15:22,463 he got this crud off the street or he did this and that. 272 00:15:23,464 --> 00:15:25,133 And I wanted to be able to do that. 273 00:15:41,774 --> 00:15:44,485 If he pulls someone over, you're on probation or anything 274 00:15:44,610 --> 00:15:46,737 like that, and you do a search, you find a gun and drugs 275 00:15:46,821 --> 00:15:48,823 or something like that, he'd just look at the guy 276 00:15:48,948 --> 00:15:51,325 and say, "Well, what's this?" And they'd go, "What's what?" 277 00:15:51,409 --> 00:15:52,910 You know, he goes, "Exactly." 278 00:15:52,994 --> 00:15:54,495 And he'd take the gun, he'd take the drugs. 279 00:15:55,705 --> 00:15:57,832 He took them home. That's what he did. 280 00:16:00,001 --> 00:16:02,712 And then he abused the women in a different way. 281 00:16:02,837 --> 00:16:04,338 Uh, these poor women, too. 282 00:16:05,590 --> 00:16:08,926 He pulled over a couple women that were intoxicated. 283 00:16:10,511 --> 00:16:12,597 He was going to take the driver to jail for DUI. 284 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:17,059 And he ended up getting her phone number 285 00:16:17,185 --> 00:16:19,020 and was gonna meet her later. 286 00:16:20,938 --> 00:16:23,149 She didn't get in trouble. She drove away. 287 00:16:23,232 --> 00:16:25,776 When he came back to the car, he told me, you know, 288 00:16:25,860 --> 00:16:27,904 that's one of the perks of the job. 289 00:16:29,947 --> 00:16:31,574 And I was just so confused because he's telling me this 290 00:16:31,699 --> 00:16:33,534 and he's supposed to be loving my mom and the whole works, 291 00:16:33,659 --> 00:16:35,912 but how can you love someone and do that? 292 00:16:41,250 --> 00:16:44,712 That's crossed my mind a few times, but if he was, 293 00:16:44,795 --> 00:16:46,506 I passed because I never did. 294 00:16:50,259 --> 00:16:51,260 I didn't want to hurt her. 295 00:16:52,762 --> 00:16:55,431 No, I didn't care about him. It was all about her. 296 00:16:55,556 --> 00:16:56,974 You know, she was in love with the man. 297 00:16:58,392 --> 00:17:00,728 He was a loving husband with her. 298 00:17:00,853 --> 00:17:02,021 The only time I ever saw good Dave 299 00:17:02,104 --> 00:17:03,898 was when my mom was around. 300 00:17:04,022 --> 00:17:06,817 When he wasn't with her, he was like a Jekyll-and-Hyde, 301 00:17:06,901 --> 00:17:08,236 you know. 302 00:17:08,361 --> 00:17:10,570 He was a whole different person when he wasn't around her 303 00:17:10,655 --> 00:17:12,406 or had anything to directly relate to her. 304 00:17:20,122 --> 00:17:22,208 There was this one time I was with him on a ride-along. 305 00:17:23,416 --> 00:17:25,252 He pulled over a good-looking woman, 306 00:17:25,377 --> 00:17:27,421 and he said, "Well, watch this." 307 00:17:29,507 --> 00:17:32,552 And, yeah, he got her to remove her top 308 00:17:32,635 --> 00:17:37,557 and, you know, he fondled her breasts and... 309 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,475 Like it was nothing, like it was [bleep] nothing. 310 00:17:41,727 --> 00:17:43,521 And then I felt guilty because maybe he did that 311 00:17:43,604 --> 00:17:45,273 just to show it to me, you know? 312 00:17:46,399 --> 00:17:48,276 Maybe if I wasn't there, maybe he wouldn't have 313 00:17:48,401 --> 00:17:49,986 done that. I don't know. 314 00:17:50,111 --> 00:17:51,112 This is hard. 315 00:17:53,030 --> 00:17:55,866 I just felt bad because of the shame that she had to feel. 316 00:17:55,950 --> 00:17:58,744 The way he acted and treated people, 317 00:17:58,828 --> 00:18:01,289 it's like he had no regard for me being there, 318 00:18:01,414 --> 00:18:02,790 that I'm witnessing this. 319 00:18:02,873 --> 00:18:04,125 Not that I was anything special, but I was 320 00:18:04,208 --> 00:18:07,795 his wife's son, so, you know, he didn't even act 321 00:18:07,878 --> 00:18:09,630 like he was worried that I would repeat it. 322 00:18:11,549 --> 00:18:13,926 I don't know if he was testing me, if I could keep a secret 323 00:18:14,010 --> 00:18:15,136 or, or, you know, 324 00:18:16,304 --> 00:18:17,680 join the brotherhood. 325 00:18:20,808 --> 00:18:22,893 I don't know, it makes me feel like I was a bad person, too. 326 00:18:28,983 --> 00:18:30,109 I didn't... 327 00:18:31,277 --> 00:18:32,778 I didn't do something about it when it happened, 328 00:18:32,862 --> 00:18:33,988 which I should have. 329 00:18:34,113 --> 00:18:36,324 And so I'm embarrassed about that part of it. 330 00:18:36,449 --> 00:18:38,909 And, like, you know, 331 00:18:38,993 --> 00:18:42,163 I've tried to suppress the thoughts of it for so long. 332 00:18:42,288 --> 00:18:44,123 I just know as a -- as a decent human being, 333 00:18:44,206 --> 00:18:46,667 you can't let people get away with stuff like that, you know? 334 00:18:46,792 --> 00:18:49,837 And I was in a position where I could have done something, 335 00:18:49,962 --> 00:18:52,506 and it just kept getting worse. 336 00:18:56,594 --> 00:18:58,971 I hate people not thinking good about me, 337 00:18:59,055 --> 00:19:01,766 because I felt I was a good person, and man, 338 00:19:01,849 --> 00:19:03,476 there's just so many things I can't say. 339 00:19:04,727 --> 00:19:07,396 He -- he showed me the bad side of what he does, 340 00:19:10,733 --> 00:19:12,318 how you get favors by just, um, 341 00:19:14,111 --> 00:19:16,322 abuse of power. 342 00:19:16,405 --> 00:19:19,867 He got away with it and just kept going and going and going. 343 00:19:19,950 --> 00:19:22,119 I didn't do nothing about it, and I should have. 344 00:19:22,203 --> 00:19:26,207 And I just -- I just don't know. I just, it -- I'm sorry, 345 00:19:26,332 --> 00:19:27,541 I should have done something. 346 00:19:31,337 --> 00:19:33,047 Can I have a second, please? 347 00:19:34,131 --> 00:19:35,549 Just for a second. 348 00:19:43,724 --> 00:19:44,892 [door creaks] 349 00:19:53,609 --> 00:19:55,653 [ominous music plays] 350 00:20:08,332 --> 00:20:10,292 [Tony] Yeah, but I was the one in position to do 351 00:20:10,376 --> 00:20:11,377 something about it. 352 00:20:34,150 --> 00:20:35,151 Let's do what we can do, right? 353 00:20:35,276 --> 00:20:36,318 [producer] Let's give it a shot. 354 00:20:36,444 --> 00:20:38,154 All right. 355 00:20:40,281 --> 00:20:42,199 [Tony sharply exhales] 356 00:20:44,702 --> 00:20:46,328 Sorry. [chuckles] 357 00:20:52,376 --> 00:20:54,003 God. 358 00:21:01,510 --> 00:21:03,220 I really don't know why he confided in me. 359 00:21:07,850 --> 00:21:11,395 It escalated to him confiding in me over certain things, 360 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:15,024 like be part of him or bond with him or whatever. 361 00:21:17,151 --> 00:21:19,028 He dropped the tidbits of it, you know, little bits of 362 00:21:19,111 --> 00:21:21,655 information here and there during conversation. 363 00:21:23,282 --> 00:21:25,034 "If you ever do something real bad, 364 00:21:25,117 --> 00:21:28,412 you don't leave evidence." 365 00:21:28,537 --> 00:21:31,373 You know, "You use the weapon, you get rid of the weapon" 366 00:21:31,499 --> 00:21:34,335 You, know, "You chop it up, top up the barrel, 367 00:21:34,418 --> 00:21:36,629 "so the serial number's gone. Get rid of it. 368 00:21:36,712 --> 00:21:38,422 Anything you wore, anything you drove." 369 00:21:38,547 --> 00:21:39,965 You know, "if you keep your truck, 370 00:21:40,049 --> 00:21:41,133 you put new tires on it. 371 00:21:41,217 --> 00:21:43,844 No witness is the best witness for you," you know? 372 00:21:43,928 --> 00:21:46,472 "And no evidence is the best," you know? 373 00:21:46,555 --> 00:21:47,640 "So just, you do what you do." 374 00:21:49,975 --> 00:21:52,228 And back then, there wasn't DNA, a hardly, just starting 375 00:21:52,311 --> 00:21:53,771 and stuff, so you didn't have to worry about that. 376 00:21:53,896 --> 00:21:54,897 He thought he was untouchable. 377 00:21:56,732 --> 00:22:00,194 There was plenty of little flags along the way. 378 00:22:00,277 --> 00:22:02,112 I don't know what I was thinking at the time. 379 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:14,792 I just wanted to, if anything ever happened, 380 00:22:14,917 --> 00:22:16,544 I wanted documented proof that, you know, 381 00:22:16,627 --> 00:22:18,879 you can't tell a story unless you can prove it. 382 00:22:18,963 --> 00:22:20,923 Things I observed and witnessed, 383 00:22:22,424 --> 00:22:25,177 everything, anything I witnessed, good and bad, 384 00:22:26,929 --> 00:22:28,472 everything was bad. 385 00:22:28,597 --> 00:22:29,932 He found that, the journal too. 386 00:22:33,811 --> 00:22:36,063 I'd left it out, I was just sitting on the couch, 387 00:22:36,146 --> 00:22:37,982 and I wrote on it on the coffee table 388 00:22:38,107 --> 00:22:40,276 and just left it there. 389 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:44,029 He picked it up, not knowing what it was, and opened it up, 390 00:22:44,113 --> 00:22:46,240 and he was about... 391 00:22:46,323 --> 00:22:48,534 He couldn't have been more than a few pages into it when 392 00:22:49,535 --> 00:22:51,370 I went in there and I said, "Oh, what do you got 393 00:22:51,453 --> 00:22:52,705 in your hand?" 394 00:22:52,788 --> 00:22:55,082 It was just a scary thing. 395 00:22:55,165 --> 00:22:57,293 Well, I walked in there and saw that it was... 396 00:22:57,376 --> 00:22:59,461 It made me nervous that he was reading it. 397 00:23:01,797 --> 00:23:02,965 I kind of... 398 00:23:04,425 --> 00:23:07,428 I kind of like I got caught, my game's up, you know. 399 00:23:09,722 --> 00:23:10,681 He goes, "Is this yours?" 400 00:23:10,806 --> 00:23:12,141 And I'm like, "Yeah, that's mine." 401 00:23:12,266 --> 00:23:15,019 "Sure seems like it's got a lot of information about me in it." 402 00:23:15,144 --> 00:23:16,437 I said, "Well, come on, Dave, what do you expect?" 403 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,565 You know, "I got to remember things," you know. 404 00:23:19,648 --> 00:23:21,275 "You told me to keep information. 405 00:23:21,358 --> 00:23:22,818 That's what you do," because he had always -- 406 00:23:22,943 --> 00:23:24,778 you know, cops have to write down and stuff 407 00:23:24,862 --> 00:23:26,488 so they can remember for the report. 408 00:23:26,572 --> 00:23:27,990 So "I just write all this stuff down." 409 00:23:29,408 --> 00:23:31,118 I didn't write good [bleep], 410 00:23:31,201 --> 00:23:32,202 'cause there wasn't any. 411 00:23:33,662 --> 00:23:35,623 He just threw it down on the coffee table 412 00:23:35,706 --> 00:23:37,708 and walked away. 413 00:23:42,254 --> 00:23:43,589 He wasn't happy. 414 00:23:43,672 --> 00:23:45,966 I saw the disappointment in him, 415 00:23:46,050 --> 00:23:48,260 thinking that I would do something like that, 416 00:23:48,344 --> 00:23:51,138 because I was supposed to be part of his family, you know, 417 00:23:51,221 --> 00:23:52,681 like, "Are you going to use that against me?" 418 00:23:52,765 --> 00:23:54,391 Or you know, wha -- wha -- I don't know 419 00:23:54,516 --> 00:23:55,684 what he was thinking about it. 420 00:23:55,809 --> 00:23:58,437 It changed his opinion on me. It had to. 421 00:24:00,940 --> 00:24:03,609 I never talked to him about it, but after he had seen it 422 00:24:03,692 --> 00:24:06,779 and everything, I just quit gathering information. 423 00:24:06,862 --> 00:24:09,823 [stuttering] I think a little bit of that stopped me 424 00:24:09,907 --> 00:24:12,368 because of the fear of what could have happened. 425 00:24:12,451 --> 00:24:13,494 I was scared as hell. 426 00:24:15,204 --> 00:24:17,623 I still don't know to this day what happened to it. 427 00:24:17,706 --> 00:24:18,874 I probably did throw it away. 428 00:24:20,584 --> 00:24:22,419 I don't know. 429 00:24:22,544 --> 00:24:23,545 I feel guilty over it. 430 00:24:24,755 --> 00:24:27,716 I always, I'll live with the fact that, you know, 431 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,635 I could have, maybe what if I had said something? 432 00:24:29,718 --> 00:24:32,388 Why didn't I talk to somebody about it, anybody, you know? 433 00:24:32,513 --> 00:24:35,057 I had no one to confide in. I did nothing. 434 00:24:35,182 --> 00:24:36,558 I did nothing. 435 00:24:36,684 --> 00:24:38,185 And it ended up with two deaths. 436 00:24:38,268 --> 00:24:40,062 It makes me feel like [bleep]. 437 00:24:50,489 --> 00:24:52,950 That's when I noticed he had a fixation on prostitutes. 438 00:24:54,201 --> 00:24:57,746 We would go driving down Union, which was his beat, 439 00:24:57,871 --> 00:25:00,416 and he would say, "Hooker, hooker, 440 00:25:01,583 --> 00:25:04,086 stay away from her. She's a cop." 441 00:25:04,211 --> 00:25:05,713 It was an obsession with him. 442 00:25:05,796 --> 00:25:07,589 And he, you know, he... 443 00:25:08,966 --> 00:25:10,342 I don't know, it's hard to explain. 444 00:25:17,933 --> 00:25:19,393 Um... 445 00:25:21,353 --> 00:25:22,730 that's what I saw. 446 00:25:22,813 --> 00:25:24,440 They're just things I'd rather not say. 447 00:25:34,074 --> 00:25:36,201 I'm protecting me. 448 00:25:36,285 --> 00:25:38,120 [tense music plays] 449 00:25:44,626 --> 00:25:45,627 OK. He, uh... 450 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,799 He got me laid by prostitutes a few times. 451 00:25:50,883 --> 00:25:53,093 [ominous music plays] 452 00:25:56,263 --> 00:25:59,308 He -- he hooked me up with some of the girls 453 00:25:59,433 --> 00:26:02,478 free of cost because of his power. 454 00:26:02,561 --> 00:26:04,605 Uh... I'm embarrassed about that. 455 00:26:07,608 --> 00:26:09,735 It was just, I mean... 456 00:26:12,112 --> 00:26:13,363 [stutters] 457 00:26:13,489 --> 00:26:15,824 ...it's, you know, 458 00:26:15,949 --> 00:26:18,285 I don't know if it's to look back and just to 459 00:26:18,368 --> 00:26:20,329 walk into a room with a stranger 460 00:26:20,412 --> 00:26:23,248 and then she's all over you, you know, 461 00:26:24,458 --> 00:26:26,251 and he had direct involvement in that, you know, 462 00:26:26,335 --> 00:26:29,963 he had something over them and he told them to do this. 463 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,884 And at the time I was just getting laid. 464 00:26:35,677 --> 00:26:38,180 [ominous music plays] 465 00:26:40,349 --> 00:26:44,311 I mean, and it's not normal. No, not normal at all. 466 00:26:44,394 --> 00:26:47,856 You know, I really don't know to this day why. 467 00:26:47,981 --> 00:26:49,733 You know, I think in a way he was grooming me 468 00:26:49,858 --> 00:26:51,693 to let me know that when you become a cop, 469 00:26:51,819 --> 00:26:53,654 this is what you can get away with... 470 00:26:55,614 --> 00:26:57,658 because people are afraid to say anything about it. 471 00:26:59,284 --> 00:27:01,703 Maybe that was his way of holding something over me. 472 00:27:01,829 --> 00:27:04,123 You know, and he was probably doing that, both of them. 473 00:27:04,206 --> 00:27:05,290 He was not only grooming me. 474 00:27:05,374 --> 00:27:06,917 He was having something over my head 475 00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:09,920 just in case. 476 00:27:10,045 --> 00:27:13,132 I was just so conflicted that, you know, I wanted to do good, 477 00:27:13,215 --> 00:27:16,552 but I knew there was something wrong with that man. 478 00:27:28,188 --> 00:27:29,273 [Tony] There was a time there 479 00:27:31,316 --> 00:27:34,403 in Dave's career that a prostitute 480 00:27:34,486 --> 00:27:38,448 had made the accusation that he had done 481 00:27:38,532 --> 00:27:40,409 some pretty heinous things to her. 482 00:27:42,452 --> 00:27:45,747 He had picked her up at the Wienerschnitzel on Union 483 00:27:45,831 --> 00:27:48,667 in California, made her get in his car, 484 00:27:48,750 --> 00:27:50,085 drove her to Union Cemetery, 485 00:27:52,838 --> 00:27:56,175 made her get out of the car, undress, 486 00:27:56,258 --> 00:28:01,346 and did numerous things to her, and then drove her back to 487 00:28:01,471 --> 00:28:03,015 Wienerschnitzel and dropped her off. 488 00:28:05,267 --> 00:28:08,562 She went in and complained about it, and he got suspended 489 00:28:09,897 --> 00:28:11,565 during the investigation. 490 00:28:11,690 --> 00:28:13,609 So, that gave me the first notion that 491 00:28:13,692 --> 00:28:15,527 he may not be as good as he thought he was. 492 00:28:25,370 --> 00:28:28,165 He denied it, you know, basically. 493 00:28:28,248 --> 00:28:30,918 But he let her believe that it was all bull[bleep], 494 00:28:31,043 --> 00:28:32,794 and that, you know, everything will be fine. 495 00:28:32,878 --> 00:28:34,004 But I know he did it. 496 00:28:35,214 --> 00:28:36,715 You know, he told me he did it. 497 00:28:37,883 --> 00:28:40,636 Part of me maybe wished that, you know, she'd find out 498 00:28:40,719 --> 00:28:43,889 and leave and stuff like that. 499 00:28:44,014 --> 00:28:47,309 I'm almost 100% sure she suspected, 500 00:28:47,392 --> 00:28:49,728 but she loved the man and... 501 00:28:49,853 --> 00:28:51,230 she stayed by him. 502 00:29:00,072 --> 00:29:02,449 [intriguing music plays] 503 00:29:02,574 --> 00:29:04,910 He asked me if I would help him do something. 504 00:29:05,035 --> 00:29:07,079 I said, "Yeah, I'll help you do anything, what?" 505 00:29:07,204 --> 00:29:08,830 He said, "I need to get rid of a few things." 506 00:29:08,914 --> 00:29:10,499 I said, "OK, what's that?" 507 00:29:10,582 --> 00:29:11,917 We went to the shed and we pulled out 508 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,337 two gunny sacks of -- there had to be at least 40 handguns 509 00:29:15,420 --> 00:29:16,421 in there, at least. 510 00:29:17,714 --> 00:29:20,008 There was a -- a couple sawed-off shotguns. 511 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,932 Maybe because the way he acquired them, he was afraid 512 00:29:27,057 --> 00:29:28,350 that they would come out to his house. 513 00:29:31,103 --> 00:29:33,605 I could just tell he was in a rush and we took them 514 00:29:33,689 --> 00:29:35,607 to someplace and we dumped them 515 00:29:35,691 --> 00:29:36,692 in the water. 516 00:29:40,028 --> 00:29:41,280 They were in the deepest part of the river. 517 00:29:44,116 --> 00:29:45,575 I bet they're still there today. 518 00:29:45,659 --> 00:29:48,120 [ominous music plays] 519 00:29:50,664 --> 00:29:51,999 I was just trying to help the man. 520 00:29:53,125 --> 00:29:55,168 I had that feeling like I'm doing something really wrong 521 00:29:55,294 --> 00:29:56,295 right here, right now. 522 00:29:56,420 --> 00:29:59,089 [suspenseful music plays] 523 00:30:11,476 --> 00:30:14,187 Then when court came, the lady did not show up to 524 00:30:14,313 --> 00:30:17,816 court and no ifs, ands, or buts until they had no case. 525 00:30:19,609 --> 00:30:23,530 The feeling or the talk around was that, well, maybe 526 00:30:23,655 --> 00:30:25,741 he got rid of her. I don't know. 527 00:30:25,824 --> 00:30:27,409 She just didn't show up to testify. 528 00:30:31,121 --> 00:30:32,164 And that's all they had was her. 529 00:30:32,289 --> 00:30:33,999 You know, that's all they had was her. 530 00:30:35,625 --> 00:30:37,085 So he got his job back. 531 00:30:38,295 --> 00:30:39,838 But they took him straight to the jailhouse. 532 00:30:41,673 --> 00:30:42,841 That's where rookies go. 533 00:30:42,966 --> 00:30:44,926 You know, that's where you go in the beginning 534 00:30:46,178 --> 00:30:47,888 to earn your time to get out on the street. 535 00:30:50,849 --> 00:30:52,351 And that made him angry. 536 00:30:52,434 --> 00:30:54,019 And that's where it all went downhill. 537 00:30:56,521 --> 00:30:58,231 That's when the fascination and everything got heated 538 00:30:58,357 --> 00:31:00,400 towards hookers because of what she did. 539 00:31:00,525 --> 00:31:02,027 I think he was mad because that one tried 540 00:31:02,110 --> 00:31:04,654 to take his life away from him or something. 541 00:31:04,738 --> 00:31:05,906 He's got some resentment. 542 00:31:06,031 --> 00:31:08,450 You know, he hated hookers after that. 543 00:31:09,576 --> 00:31:11,036 He hated all women except my mom. 544 00:31:13,246 --> 00:31:16,208 He just looked at women, looked at them all, yeah, like, 545 00:31:17,542 --> 00:31:21,338 yeah, you know, sluts, whores, [bleep], you know, 546 00:31:21,421 --> 00:31:23,507 all of the above, and he was gonna make them pay 547 00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:25,092 one way or another. 548 00:31:43,443 --> 00:31:44,986 [eerie music plays] 549 00:31:45,070 --> 00:31:46,905 It was a normal day 550 00:31:47,989 --> 00:31:51,576 on February the 13th, a Friday. 551 00:31:51,701 --> 00:31:52,911 I was working down at the truck stop 552 00:31:52,994 --> 00:31:55,080 when my neighbor from across the street 553 00:31:55,163 --> 00:31:58,500 called and told me, you know, "Tony, there's at least 554 00:31:58,583 --> 00:32:00,710 a dozen cop cars at your mom's house," you know. 555 00:32:02,254 --> 00:32:04,005 And he said, "Tony, what happened?". 556 00:32:05,006 --> 00:32:07,259 And I said, "I don't know.". And I went and told my manager. 557 00:32:07,342 --> 00:32:10,345 I said, "I got to go.". I just hauled ass there. 558 00:32:10,429 --> 00:32:12,597 And I went in there. "Mom, are you OK?" 559 00:32:12,681 --> 00:32:13,765 I was more concerned about her. 560 00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:20,981 I was just consoling her and then, and it was so loud 561 00:32:21,106 --> 00:32:22,899 in there with all the officers talking. 562 00:32:22,983 --> 00:32:25,402 And so that's when I officially found out 563 00:32:25,485 --> 00:32:27,696 what his charges were for 564 00:32:27,779 --> 00:32:28,780 murder. 565 00:32:30,073 --> 00:32:31,074 Two -- two counts of it. 566 00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:36,455 And they were all discussing, you know, who's trying to, 567 00:32:36,538 --> 00:32:37,622 who's setting him up? 568 00:32:37,706 --> 00:32:39,124 You know, who's trying to blackmail -- you know, 569 00:32:39,207 --> 00:32:41,251 none of them believed it. None of them believed it. 570 00:32:41,334 --> 00:32:43,503 [phone rings] 571 00:32:43,628 --> 00:32:46,256 Phone rang, and I think I was the only one who heard it. 572 00:32:46,339 --> 00:32:47,757 So I went and I got it. 573 00:32:47,841 --> 00:32:50,051 And then I picked it up, and it was that message 574 00:32:50,135 --> 00:32:52,304 from the jailhouse saying, "You have a call 575 00:32:52,387 --> 00:32:54,681 from," you know, "Kern County." And I said, "Hello?" 576 00:32:54,806 --> 00:32:56,975 And he goes, "Tony, let me talk to your mom." 577 00:32:59,352 --> 00:33:01,354 She got the phone, and everybody 578 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:02,731 kind of quieted down a little bit. 579 00:33:03,899 --> 00:33:05,734 And the... and then it happened. 580 00:33:05,817 --> 00:33:10,113 I mean, she slid down in the chair, she turned white, 581 00:33:10,197 --> 00:33:11,281 and she said, "He confessed.". 582 00:33:12,491 --> 00:33:13,825 She said, "He [bleep] confessed." 583 00:33:22,459 --> 00:33:23,919 That was the beginning of the end. 584 00:33:24,044 --> 00:33:26,713 I mean, I'll never forget that moment in my life. 585 00:33:26,796 --> 00:33:28,882 I saw -- I saw the life drain from my mother, 586 00:33:28,965 --> 00:33:30,342 you know, right then. 587 00:33:30,425 --> 00:33:32,511 Because that was her everything. 588 00:33:32,594 --> 00:33:35,180 You know, everything. I lost my mom that day. 589 00:33:45,106 --> 00:33:47,609 Unfortunately, that's Janine Benintende. 590 00:33:47,734 --> 00:33:50,779 And I think she was 21 years old. 591 00:33:50,862 --> 00:33:51,780 A young prostitute. 592 00:33:51,863 --> 00:33:54,616 I think he killed Janine, probably 593 00:33:54,741 --> 00:33:58,245 early, early '86. She had been in the canal for 594 00:33:59,746 --> 00:34:02,624 for quite a few days and was unrecognizable. 595 00:34:02,749 --> 00:34:06,294 I mean, they had to go through fingerprints to get her, 596 00:34:06,419 --> 00:34:08,755 even though her hands were swollen, I guess. 597 00:34:08,838 --> 00:34:10,632 Somehow they got fingerprints off of her and they were able 598 00:34:10,757 --> 00:34:13,176 to match her up in the database. 599 00:34:13,301 --> 00:34:15,053 That's how they found out that was who she was. 600 00:34:16,721 --> 00:34:18,098 And they had no clue whatsoever. 601 00:34:18,181 --> 00:34:19,766 But she was shot six times 602 00:34:21,810 --> 00:34:23,395 with a.38. 603 00:34:24,563 --> 00:34:26,815 He was even investigating 604 00:34:27,899 --> 00:34:30,735 part of the investigation team that was investigating for that, 605 00:34:30,819 --> 00:34:34,781 investigating a murder he did, but nobody knew. 606 00:34:36,783 --> 00:34:38,409 Then I was wondering, well, wha -- was he in there, 607 00:34:38,493 --> 00:34:40,620 you know, to try to do something to cover it up, 608 00:34:40,704 --> 00:34:43,873 but he didn't need to because they had nothing at all. 609 00:34:48,210 --> 00:34:51,297 I mean, he -- he got away with the first one 610 00:34:51,380 --> 00:34:52,299 for a year and 11 days. 611 00:34:52,382 --> 00:34:54,384 They would have never busted him on that. 612 00:34:54,509 --> 00:34:57,178 They would have never found out, ever. 613 00:34:57,262 --> 00:35:00,849 And the second one, Tracie Clark, same canal, 614 00:35:00,932 --> 00:35:02,350 same gun, you know, same everything. 615 00:35:05,937 --> 00:35:06,938 Yes, sir. 616 00:35:08,148 --> 00:35:11,026 Same gun, same ammunition. 617 00:35:18,533 --> 00:35:22,537 That's a picture of -- it's Tracie Clark. 618 00:35:22,621 --> 00:35:23,955 One of -- his second victim. 619 00:35:24,039 --> 00:35:27,000 I think she just got into town that night. 620 00:35:27,083 --> 00:35:29,169 And he shot her once, kicked her out of the truck, 621 00:35:29,252 --> 00:35:30,420 drove away, came back, 622 00:35:31,671 --> 00:35:33,506 and then emptied the gun in her. 623 00:35:33,590 --> 00:35:35,425 Then when they did the ballistics 624 00:35:35,550 --> 00:35:36,676 and it was the same gun, 625 00:35:38,053 --> 00:35:40,055 she was like fifteen-and-a-half years old. 626 00:35:40,138 --> 00:35:43,391 And I think she was six weeks pregnant. 627 00:35:43,516 --> 00:35:45,226 Fifteen-and-a-half. Wow. 628 00:35:47,896 --> 00:35:49,397 I'm sorry for that. 629 00:36:13,588 --> 00:36:17,967 And then how many did he do that they don't know about 630 00:36:18,093 --> 00:36:19,094 is a thing, too. 631 00:36:20,845 --> 00:36:24,349 They were investigating about 11 unsolved murders 632 00:36:25,684 --> 00:36:26,685 that were related to 633 00:36:28,019 --> 00:36:30,605 homeless women or prostitutes or something like that. 634 00:36:30,689 --> 00:36:32,774 They asked him a whole bunch of times about that, 635 00:36:32,857 --> 00:36:34,067 and he never denied anything. 636 00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:35,443 He didn't say he didn't do anything. 637 00:36:36,861 --> 00:36:39,322 But, yeah, he... 638 00:36:39,447 --> 00:36:42,450 he did two that we know, and no telling how many 639 00:36:42,575 --> 00:36:43,576 that could have been. I don't know. 640 00:36:57,632 --> 00:37:01,344 [newscaster] Rogers was tried and convicted of both murders, and in 1988, 641 00:37:01,469 --> 00:37:03,888 his penalty phase of the trial began, 642 00:37:03,972 --> 00:37:06,975 the time for jurors to decide if he should be sentenced 643 00:37:07,100 --> 00:37:09,894 to life without parole or death. 644 00:37:09,978 --> 00:37:11,479 They chose death. 645 00:37:24,284 --> 00:37:26,286 That there's more than one victim in it. 646 00:37:27,579 --> 00:37:29,372 And she loved that man no matter what. 647 00:37:31,374 --> 00:37:32,584 And she stayed by him. 648 00:37:32,667 --> 00:37:35,128 She didn't believe it at all, no matter how hard I tried to 649 00:37:35,211 --> 00:37:38,381 convince her to the point where I said bad things, 650 00:37:38,506 --> 00:37:40,216 and none of it worked. 651 00:37:42,969 --> 00:37:44,345 That's love. 652 00:37:46,222 --> 00:37:48,308 She was in love with the man. And I don't understand. 653 00:37:48,391 --> 00:37:50,810 I tried to get her to stop, but it just wouldn't work. 654 00:37:52,896 --> 00:37:54,147 You can't make someone stop loving. 655 00:37:56,816 --> 00:38:00,945 My mom went approximately every three months, 656 00:38:01,029 --> 00:38:02,655 once he got sentenced up there 657 00:38:02,739 --> 00:38:06,242 and finally got to San Quentin, about the first five years 658 00:38:06,367 --> 00:38:08,703 it was every three months she'd go up there 659 00:38:08,787 --> 00:38:11,206 and stay the night. But then it got expensive, 660 00:38:12,665 --> 00:38:14,209 and she just couldn't, she couldn't do it, 661 00:38:14,292 --> 00:38:19,047 and her health started falling, but I think the total was 662 00:38:19,172 --> 00:38:22,926 14 times she saw him before she had to stop. 663 00:38:23,051 --> 00:38:25,720 She stayed home. She didn't go nowhere. 664 00:38:25,845 --> 00:38:28,431 She waited for phone calls. She waited for letters. 665 00:38:28,556 --> 00:38:32,560 And then to watch her suffer for the 12 years 666 00:38:32,685 --> 00:38:35,772 she suffered after that it was -- is really painful. 667 00:38:35,897 --> 00:38:37,899 I never even thought about forgiving him. 668 00:38:37,982 --> 00:38:40,443 In fact, I hate him more today than I did back then. 669 00:38:49,244 --> 00:38:51,079 Huh. 670 00:38:51,162 --> 00:38:53,122 Morro Bay. 671 00:38:53,248 --> 00:38:55,250 That's a picture of my mother and me. 672 00:38:59,629 --> 00:39:01,047 She was happy, she was... 673 00:39:01,130 --> 00:39:04,092 She loved going to the beach and loved going camping. 674 00:39:04,217 --> 00:39:05,593 And I... 675 00:39:08,304 --> 00:39:09,806 I just called her over and took a picture, 676 00:39:09,931 --> 00:39:11,516 and God, she looked happy. 677 00:39:13,810 --> 00:39:15,311 I would consider myself mama's boy. 678 00:39:15,436 --> 00:39:17,021 I took care of her, and she took care of me. 679 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:20,775 I miss that woman. 680 00:39:23,862 --> 00:39:25,780 But that was in her time of happiness right there, 681 00:39:27,031 --> 00:39:28,032 just waiting to be shattered. 682 00:39:38,585 --> 00:39:39,627 I mean, I wrote him a letter 683 00:39:41,588 --> 00:39:42,714 after my mom passed away. 684 00:39:44,674 --> 00:39:45,967 I poured my heart into it 685 00:39:47,969 --> 00:39:50,722 and told him how I felt and how I had to take care of her, 686 00:39:50,805 --> 00:39:52,473 how she suffered so much. 687 00:39:52,557 --> 00:39:54,642 And I just wanted the man to know exactly 688 00:39:54,726 --> 00:39:58,396 what she went through, you know, and that he was directly 689 00:39:58,479 --> 00:40:00,481 responsible for putting her through it. 690 00:40:00,565 --> 00:40:01,983 And he responded with, 691 00:40:03,318 --> 00:40:04,611 "Your mom was a nice person." 692 00:40:07,071 --> 00:40:08,281 That's all I got. 693 00:40:08,364 --> 00:40:10,158 That's the one and only letter I ever got from him, 694 00:40:10,283 --> 00:40:11,576 and that's all he said. 695 00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:14,996 I don't know what I was expecting. 696 00:40:15,121 --> 00:40:16,331 I know it just -- it hurt so much. 697 00:40:18,041 --> 00:40:19,042 I lost everything, 698 00:40:21,419 --> 00:40:24,589 absolutely everything. I lost my home. 699 00:40:24,672 --> 00:40:28,676 I lost my pursuit of a law enforcement career 700 00:40:28,801 --> 00:40:30,720 after he was arrested. They didn't want me. 701 00:40:32,263 --> 00:40:36,184 My mom lost a lot too, so, you know, at least say 702 00:40:36,309 --> 00:40:37,185 you're sorry. 703 00:40:37,310 --> 00:40:38,770 If anything else, he never did that. 704 00:40:38,853 --> 00:40:42,649 And for him just to respond like that, you know, 705 00:40:42,732 --> 00:40:43,942 was the final nail in the coffin. 706 00:40:44,025 --> 00:40:45,610 I don't give a [bleep] what happens to him now, 707 00:40:45,693 --> 00:40:47,320 you know? 708 00:40:47,403 --> 00:40:48,780 He should have died a long time ago. 709 00:41:04,837 --> 00:41:06,381 It's just not right. 710 00:41:06,464 --> 00:41:08,591 I didn't deserve it. She didn't deserve it. 711 00:41:08,716 --> 00:41:11,886 The two girls' families didn't deserve it. 712 00:41:11,970 --> 00:41:14,263 And I didn't even think about any of this stuff until this, 713 00:41:14,389 --> 00:41:16,516 you know, I tried to block it all out. 714 00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:18,935 When my mom passed away, I thought I was done with that. 715 00:41:19,060 --> 00:41:22,355 You know, that part of my life is gone and stuff like that. 716 00:41:22,438 --> 00:41:24,190 But guess what? [chuckles] 717 00:41:24,273 --> 00:41:26,442 It'll never leave. 718 00:41:26,567 --> 00:41:27,568 It'll never leave.