1 00:00:03,620 --> 00:00:07,103 This is a picture of my mom and dad on their wedding day. 2 00:00:07,103 --> 00:00:12,586 They got married in Las Vegas at the Little White Chapel, 3 00:00:12,586 --> 00:00:15,965 and they both look so young. 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,172 My mom looks like a movie star, and my dad looks very 5 00:00:19,172 --> 00:00:20,862 dapper, handsome. 6 00:00:22,310 --> 00:00:25,241 It's hard to believe after all these years, 7 00:00:26,413 --> 00:00:28,413 everything that he put the family through 8 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:31,310 for greed, 9 00:00:32,310 --> 00:00:35,310 jealousy, malice. 10 00:00:36,275 --> 00:00:39,655 He wasn't the person that, um, 11 00:00:39,724 --> 00:00:41,034 is depicted in this photo. 12 00:00:58,310 --> 00:00:59,620 Oh my God. 13 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,482 He looks like the devil. Look at him. 14 00:01:04,482 --> 00:01:07,586 Look at him. He looks like the devil. 15 00:01:07,586 --> 00:01:09,137 That's not my dad. 16 00:01:10,517 --> 00:01:12,517 It doesn't look like him at all. 17 00:01:16,068 --> 00:01:17,517 Oh my God. 18 00:01:20,689 --> 00:01:23,793 [The Paper Chase's "What's So Amazing About Grace?" plays] 19 00:01:23,793 --> 00:01:26,172 [strings continue playing sinister tune] 20 00:01:26,172 --> 00:01:28,241 [static crackling] 21 00:01:30,379 --> 00:01:33,000 -[knock at door] -[creaking] 22 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:38,275 -[banging on door] -[creaking] 23 00:01:38,275 --> 00:01:42,551 -[banging on door] -[creaking] 24 00:01:42,620 --> 00:01:45,482 [water dripping] 25 00:01:45,482 --> 00:01:48,378 -[banging on door] -[creaking] 26 00:01:48,378 --> 00:01:50,551 [sinister chord strikes] 27 00:01:58,620 --> 00:02:03,482 [Sara] I grew up in what I thought was a normal, happy, healthy home 28 00:02:03,482 --> 00:02:05,413 in Fontana, California. 29 00:02:06,793 --> 00:02:08,793 It was myself and my brother. 30 00:02:08,793 --> 00:02:12,000 He's 18 months younger than me, so we were really close in age. 31 00:02:14,275 --> 00:02:16,758 We'd go down to the park and play. 32 00:02:16,827 --> 00:02:19,758 And it was just a normal childhood. 33 00:02:19,827 --> 00:02:23,241 Mom would whistle and we'd hear and we'd come in for dinner 34 00:02:23,310 --> 00:02:26,000 and have dinner and go back outside and play again. 35 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:27,344 I was never in the house. 36 00:02:27,413 --> 00:02:30,379 We always were outside doing something. 37 00:02:30,379 --> 00:02:33,517 My parents' names are Bill and Betty Gray. 38 00:02:34,724 --> 00:02:36,655 My mom was great. 39 00:02:36,724 --> 00:02:41,655 She was just very fun, very fun-loving, very funny. 40 00:02:42,827 --> 00:02:44,482 They were affectionate towards one another. 41 00:02:44,482 --> 00:02:47,034 I don't remember them fighting very often. 42 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:53,551 Growing up, I was a daddy's girl because he made me 43 00:02:53,620 --> 00:02:54,724 feel safe. 44 00:02:55,689 --> 00:02:57,137 He made me feel loved, 45 00:02:59,896 --> 00:03:01,655 but now I hate him. 46 00:03:03,068 --> 00:03:05,000 I hate what he's done to our family. 47 00:03:06,206 --> 00:03:08,000 I hate what he did to my mom. 48 00:03:09,103 --> 00:03:10,862 I wish he would've died, 49 00:03:12,172 --> 00:03:14,931 because then he would be gone and she would be here. 50 00:03:17,689 --> 00:03:19,137 I miss her a lot. 51 00:03:36,827 --> 00:03:39,896 Our property in California had two homes sitting on it. 52 00:03:39,896 --> 00:03:43,241 One home was vacant, but my dad kept a lot of his hunting 53 00:03:43,310 --> 00:03:44,413 rifles in that house, 54 00:03:46,724 --> 00:03:51,103 and my mom had the idea of renting the property 55 00:03:51,103 --> 00:03:52,620 so that we had more money. 56 00:03:53,586 --> 00:03:57,620 They rented it to a gentleman who, I don't recall his name, 57 00:03:59,310 --> 00:04:02,689 but one day, the tenant left. 58 00:04:02,689 --> 00:04:06,172 I guess the guy didn't have his rent money, so he left in 59 00:04:06,172 --> 00:04:07,413 the middle of the night 60 00:04:08,379 --> 00:04:10,448 with three of my dad's rifles, 61 00:04:12,275 --> 00:04:14,482 and he was livid. 62 00:04:14,482 --> 00:04:17,793 [echoing] Guy thinks he can steal from me? 63 00:04:17,793 --> 00:04:21,379 My dad wasn't gonna let anybody get away with his guns. 64 00:04:21,379 --> 00:04:23,103 [echoing] Stay here. 65 00:04:23,103 --> 00:04:25,793 [Sara] He said he was gonna go find that SOB, 66 00:04:25,793 --> 00:04:27,310 and he was gonna make him pay, 67 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:34,000 and I didn't make too much of it at the time. 68 00:04:35,724 --> 00:04:36,586 When he got back, 69 00:04:36,586 --> 00:04:39,586 I overheard him talking to my mom. 70 00:04:39,586 --> 00:04:45,000 He had gotten most of his guns back, but the guy that 71 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,517 took them was dead. 72 00:04:49,724 --> 00:04:51,068 He got what he deserved. 73 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,448 [Sara] That he had killed him and pushed him off the bridge. 74 00:04:57,793 --> 00:04:59,689 I really don't know what my mom thought. 75 00:04:59,689 --> 00:05:01,551 I don't know if she was scared, 76 00:05:02,275 --> 00:05:05,137 and she didn't say anything because she was scared. 77 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,689 I don't know if she truly believed that he did what 78 00:05:09,689 --> 00:05:13,758 he did, but she didn't challenge him. 79 00:05:13,827 --> 00:05:15,241 To my knowledge, 80 00:05:16,310 --> 00:05:19,448 I don't believe anybody ever came looking for him. 81 00:05:19,517 --> 00:05:20,965 I was probably 82 00:05:22,275 --> 00:05:27,137 12 or 13, so I didn't know what to believe. 83 00:05:27,206 --> 00:05:29,241 All I know is what I overheard. 84 00:05:30,896 --> 00:05:36,103 Looking back now, I believe my father murdered this man, 85 00:05:36,103 --> 00:05:37,620 and he got away with it. 86 00:05:48,379 --> 00:05:51,137 My dad didn't stick with one job for very long. 87 00:05:51,206 --> 00:05:53,103 He liked being his own boss. 88 00:05:54,586 --> 00:05:58,103 He thought he was too good for a nine-to-five job. 89 00:05:58,103 --> 00:06:02,000 He wasn't making as much money as he wanted to, so he would 90 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,034 quickly change to something else. 91 00:06:04,896 --> 00:06:06,793 He would get frustrated. 92 00:06:06,793 --> 00:06:12,586 Whenever my father would start talking about money and lack of 93 00:06:12,586 --> 00:06:16,379 it, that was just a huge red flag that something bad is 94 00:06:16,379 --> 00:06:18,103 about to take place. 95 00:06:20,379 --> 00:06:23,620 One day, my mom woke up, the sun was coming up, 96 00:06:24,413 --> 00:06:28,172 and this was like at 3 or 4 in the morning, and she thought it 97 00:06:28,172 --> 00:06:30,965 looked awful orange, and she got up out of bed 98 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,344 and looked out the window and noticed that it wasn't 99 00:06:33,413 --> 00:06:35,793 the sun, and the barn caught on fire. 100 00:06:35,793 --> 00:06:38,896 [as Sara's mother] Fire! Fire! 101 00:06:38,896 --> 00:06:42,137 [Sara] My mom came running into my brother and my bedroom 102 00:06:42,206 --> 00:06:43,448 and woke us up and said, 103 00:06:43,517 --> 00:06:45,000 "There's a fire, you need to get dressed." 104 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,137 I started crying immediately, 105 00:06:47,931 --> 00:06:50,655 and I was scared that the house was going to catch on fire 106 00:06:50,724 --> 00:06:52,172 and we were all going to die. 107 00:06:53,275 --> 00:06:57,103 Me and my brother just stood there and watched it burn with 108 00:06:57,103 --> 00:06:59,517 a lot of our animals in it. 109 00:07:00,931 --> 00:07:04,000 And the barn burned to the ground. 110 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,517 I mean, there was nothing left but concrete, 111 00:07:10,586 --> 00:07:13,344 and the police told my dad it was an arson. 112 00:07:16,379 --> 00:07:18,896 Then they started asking him a bunch of questions about, 113 00:07:18,896 --> 00:07:21,137 is it somebody that's out to get you? 114 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,241 He's like, "No," 115 00:07:24,620 --> 00:07:27,793 and he seemed pretty calm. 116 00:07:27,793 --> 00:07:32,000 My dad seemed to be OK with that, 117 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,068 which I thought was very unusual, 118 00:07:35,068 --> 00:07:37,241 very out of character, 119 00:07:38,586 --> 00:07:41,586 but the animals that were in the barn perished. 120 00:07:41,586 --> 00:07:45,965 They all died, and he just 121 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:50,413 acted like it was no big deal, just seemed kind of like blank. 122 00:07:52,275 --> 00:07:54,172 At the time, 123 00:07:54,172 --> 00:07:57,448 I was very young, very impressionable. 124 00:07:57,517 --> 00:08:01,379 All I remember him getting excited about was saying that 125 00:08:01,379 --> 00:08:02,413 it was arson. 126 00:08:02,413 --> 00:08:04,379 They didn't know who was responsible for it, 127 00:08:04,379 --> 00:08:06,931 and the insurance paid out on it. 128 00:08:08,275 --> 00:08:10,551 I had no reason not to believe him, 129 00:08:11,482 --> 00:08:15,655 but at the same time, I had mixed emotions, 130 00:08:15,724 --> 00:08:18,793 but I didn't share them with him because I didn't want to 131 00:08:18,793 --> 00:08:20,137 get on his bad side. 132 00:08:33,724 --> 00:08:36,241 This is one of my favorite pictures. 133 00:08:37,102 --> 00:08:40,344 My parents, proud owners of a pawn shop. 134 00:08:40,413 --> 00:08:42,758 They're standing behind the countertop with the guns 135 00:08:42,827 --> 00:08:44,172 behind them. 136 00:08:45,413 --> 00:08:48,586 The pawn shop was my dad's baby, it was his whole life. 137 00:08:48,586 --> 00:08:50,482 He was in seventh heaven. 138 00:08:50,482 --> 00:08:52,724 He thought he was on top of the world. 139 00:08:54,689 --> 00:08:57,034 The biggest seller at a pawn shop was a gun. 140 00:08:57,103 --> 00:09:01,034 The police shopped in there. The sheriffs shopped in there, 141 00:09:01,103 --> 00:09:05,655 and my dad was the man in charge. 142 00:09:05,724 --> 00:09:10,034 He was the man on top, and he was the man to see, 143 00:09:10,103 --> 00:09:12,310 and that made him feel very powerful, 144 00:09:13,206 --> 00:09:14,758 because he was allowed to carry a gun, 145 00:09:14,827 --> 00:09:19,103 and he just let people know that he had a gun and he wasn't 146 00:09:19,103 --> 00:09:20,793 afraid to use it. 147 00:09:20,793 --> 00:09:24,793 He joined the Elks Club, where he met a lot of people, 148 00:09:24,793 --> 00:09:28,172 him and my mom's age, that they could hang out with 149 00:09:28,172 --> 00:09:33,000 and do things with and promote his business and just 150 00:09:33,827 --> 00:09:35,793 take my mom out and show her off, 151 00:09:35,793 --> 00:09:38,000 and they'd go dancing, and... 152 00:09:39,206 --> 00:09:42,862 [sighs] 153 00:09:42,931 --> 00:09:44,689 They were just happy. 154 00:09:44,689 --> 00:09:46,689 They were just happy. 155 00:09:46,689 --> 00:09:50,103 I didn't see any animosity between the two of them. 156 00:10:03,689 --> 00:10:06,241 One day, I was home with my mom. 157 00:10:06,310 --> 00:10:08,000 The phone rang, 158 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:14,034 and my dad had called and said the pawn shop's on fire. 159 00:10:14,103 --> 00:10:15,551 Oh my god, Bill. 160 00:10:15,620 --> 00:10:17,482 And he was like, 161 00:10:17,482 --> 00:10:20,724 "I can't believe this is happening to me again." 162 00:10:27,793 --> 00:10:31,448 When the pawn shop went up, there were explosives in there. 163 00:10:31,517 --> 00:10:33,000 There were bullets in there, 164 00:10:33,068 --> 00:10:36,620 and there were tenants that lived below in the pawn shop. 165 00:10:37,862 --> 00:10:40,724 It was a very dangerous situation, 166 00:10:42,172 --> 00:10:45,000 and my mom and I were told to stay away because it wasn't 167 00:10:45,068 --> 00:10:47,000 a stable structure, 168 00:10:47,068 --> 00:10:49,620 and she was crying, and I was consoling her. 169 00:10:50,793 --> 00:10:53,724 And I became very upset 170 00:10:54,482 --> 00:10:56,310 when I found out about the fire 171 00:10:58,275 --> 00:11:01,068 because I knew in the back of my head that my dad probably 172 00:11:01,068 --> 00:11:02,586 did it. 173 00:11:07,586 --> 00:11:12,931 When the family finally got all together and my dad showed up, 174 00:11:14,206 --> 00:11:17,379 he was just like, "Betty, don't worry. 175 00:11:17,379 --> 00:11:21,689 "We have insurance. We can rebuild. 176 00:11:21,689 --> 00:11:23,758 The insurance money will cover it." 177 00:11:24,482 --> 00:11:25,931 Everything's gonna be fine. 178 00:11:27,689 --> 00:11:30,275 [Sara] I didn't face him at all. 179 00:11:30,275 --> 00:11:33,655 You know, this is just too much of a coincidence. 180 00:11:34,586 --> 00:11:36,827 Is there any way that dad could be involved? 181 00:11:40,689 --> 00:11:43,068 My father was a suspect, 182 00:11:43,068 --> 00:11:46,620 but they could not prove it, and he was never charged. 183 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,379 He had my brother there saying, 184 00:11:51,379 --> 00:11:54,551 "No, my dad couldn't have done this, he was with me," 185 00:11:54,620 --> 00:11:57,275 [eerie music playing] 186 00:11:57,275 --> 00:12:01,068 but as time went on, I learned that they stopped 187 00:12:01,068 --> 00:12:03,413 at the pawn shop before they went fishing. 188 00:12:04,896 --> 00:12:06,827 My brother told me. 189 00:12:06,896 --> 00:12:10,344 He told me that he waited in the car while my dad went in 190 00:12:10,413 --> 00:12:13,724 and grabbed some items that he needed. 191 00:12:15,793 --> 00:12:19,689 It wouldn't have taken him very long to do what he did 192 00:12:19,689 --> 00:12:21,137 to light the fires, 193 00:12:21,206 --> 00:12:24,862 but I think he had my brother there as a witness 194 00:12:24,862 --> 00:12:28,655 and was using him to save his own butt. 195 00:12:30,793 --> 00:12:34,551 Once again, my dad got a big old fat insurance check 196 00:12:34,620 --> 00:12:36,758 in the mail, and they rebuilt bigger 197 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,103 and stronger. 198 00:12:55,379 --> 00:12:58,000 I remember one day, it was my mom's birthday, 199 00:12:59,965 --> 00:13:05,655 and my mom came up to me, and she goes, "Where is it?" 200 00:13:05,724 --> 00:13:07,827 And I says, "What do you mean, where is it?" 201 00:13:07,896 --> 00:13:10,241 And she goes, "Where's the five dollars?" 202 00:13:12,689 --> 00:13:14,965 And I says, "I don't know what you're talking about." 203 00:13:14,965 --> 00:13:18,655 And she goes, "Grandma sent me five dollars in my card, 204 00:13:18,724 --> 00:13:19,862 and now I can't find it." 205 00:13:19,862 --> 00:13:22,275 [echoing] I didn't take anything, mom! 206 00:13:22,275 --> 00:13:26,000 [Sara] My father overheard my mom and myself arguing, 207 00:13:27,310 --> 00:13:30,310 and he proceeded into the kitchen where we were. 208 00:13:32,379 --> 00:13:35,896 The next thing I know, he backhanded my mom. 209 00:13:35,896 --> 00:13:38,344 [slap lands] 210 00:13:38,413 --> 00:13:41,931 He pushed her up against the wall and lifted 211 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,344 her by her neck, and said, 212 00:13:44,413 --> 00:13:46,793 "Sara would never steal from you." 213 00:13:46,793 --> 00:13:50,137 How dare you accuse her? 214 00:13:50,206 --> 00:13:54,103 [Sara] It frightened me. I know it frightened my mom. 215 00:13:54,103 --> 00:13:57,620 The look in his eyes was pure demonic, 216 00:13:59,068 --> 00:14:03,275 filled with hatred and disgust, and I was in shock, 217 00:14:03,275 --> 00:14:06,137 and I started yelling at my dad, 218 00:14:06,206 --> 00:14:07,344 [echoing sobbing] 219 00:14:07,344 --> 00:14:09,758 "Don't touch her, put her down, leave her alone," 220 00:14:09,758 --> 00:14:12,896 [echoing] Dad, stop! Bring her down! 221 00:14:12,896 --> 00:14:15,310 and then he finally released her. 222 00:14:18,413 --> 00:14:22,655 And he says, "Don't you ever, ever accuse Sara of taking 223 00:14:22,724 --> 00:14:24,206 anything ever again." 224 00:14:27,965 --> 00:14:30,931 I was afraid for my mom, 225 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,482 and her safety, 226 00:14:33,482 --> 00:14:38,000 and I didn't know what was gonna happen next. 227 00:14:54,965 --> 00:14:58,482 One day, my dad and I were working the pawn shop, 228 00:14:58,482 --> 00:15:02,379 and before lunch, 229 00:15:02,379 --> 00:15:06,379 a guy came in with a folder and put it down 230 00:15:06,379 --> 00:15:11,689 on the front counter and called my dad over and says, 231 00:15:11,689 --> 00:15:14,137 "I have your insurance papers ready to sign," 232 00:15:16,379 --> 00:15:19,241 and I says, "Insurance papers for what?" 233 00:15:20,172 --> 00:15:26,413 And he says, "Life insurance for $250,000." 234 00:15:28,310 --> 00:15:30,793 So my dad said, "Well, Betty's not here. 235 00:15:30,793 --> 00:15:33,965 "She won't be back for a couple of days. 236 00:15:33,965 --> 00:15:37,931 Can Sara sign, can she forge Betty's name?" 237 00:15:39,965 --> 00:15:42,586 And he goes, "Well," he says, "no, not really." 238 00:15:42,586 --> 00:15:45,379 He says, "It doesn't work like that," 239 00:15:45,379 --> 00:15:48,482 and my father was very insistent, 240 00:15:48,482 --> 00:15:52,586 and then that's when the insurance guy said, 241 00:15:52,586 --> 00:15:56,310 "OK, we're only doing this one time." 242 00:15:57,482 --> 00:15:59,896 He says, "Sara, you can go ahead and sign your mom's name 243 00:15:59,896 --> 00:16:01,137 to the policy." 244 00:16:02,965 --> 00:16:04,827 Well, I had a lot of reservations. 245 00:16:07,103 --> 00:16:10,068 I just didn't feel easy about it at all. 246 00:16:14,379 --> 00:16:16,724 [sobbing] 247 00:16:19,896 --> 00:16:21,827 I wish I would have never signed it. 248 00:16:21,896 --> 00:16:25,103 I knew I shouldn't have signed it when I did. 249 00:16:26,310 --> 00:16:28,517 I feel so guilty about that. 250 00:16:29,793 --> 00:16:31,275 Damn him. 251 00:16:32,206 --> 00:16:35,413 He knew I didn't want to do it and he made me do it anyways, 252 00:16:39,482 --> 00:16:43,931 and he told me to never tell mom what I did, 253 00:16:45,413 --> 00:16:47,896 and that even made me feel more uncomfortable. 254 00:16:49,689 --> 00:16:52,172 I signed it, 255 00:16:52,172 --> 00:16:57,758 reluctantly, and now, looking back, I know if I wouldn't have 256 00:16:57,758 --> 00:17:00,068 signed it that she would still be here. 257 00:17:11,241 --> 00:17:13,310 This is my mom's business card. 258 00:17:14,068 --> 00:17:16,137 She was called the Cake Lady. 259 00:17:18,378 --> 00:17:21,964 She became very famous for her wedding cakes. 260 00:17:21,964 --> 00:17:24,619 One of the first wedding cakes that she made 261 00:17:24,689 --> 00:17:26,275 was my wedding cake, 262 00:17:27,482 --> 00:17:29,517 and when she got her business cards, 263 00:17:29,586 --> 00:17:32,758 she was in seventh heaven. 264 00:17:32,758 --> 00:17:34,241 She was like, 265 00:17:34,241 --> 00:17:38,413 "I'm a businesswoman, I own my own business." 266 00:17:38,482 --> 00:17:43,586 It succeeded in what she started out to do, 267 00:17:43,586 --> 00:17:47,103 and it was a bigger success than she could have even 268 00:17:47,103 --> 00:17:49,931 imagined it would be. 269 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:54,379 So she became overwhelmed quite a bit because she had the house 270 00:17:54,379 --> 00:17:56,689 to take care of and my dad and the pawn shop, 271 00:17:56,689 --> 00:17:59,275 and then she would do her cakes in between. 272 00:18:00,241 --> 00:18:02,413 But I think 273 00:18:03,655 --> 00:18:07,310 her making cakes was a way of her to escape. 274 00:18:09,896 --> 00:18:14,310 My dad became jealous of the time that she spent doing 275 00:18:14,379 --> 00:18:16,000 her cakes instead of 276 00:18:17,241 --> 00:18:18,379 coddling him, 277 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:24,068 and he became resentful and says, "I can't believe 278 00:18:24,068 --> 00:18:25,965 "you have another cake to do. 279 00:18:25,965 --> 00:18:27,931 "When are you gonna call this quits? 280 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:29,448 When are you gonna be done?" 281 00:18:31,275 --> 00:18:33,965 But that was something that she had that he could not take 282 00:18:33,965 --> 00:18:35,241 away from her. 283 00:18:47,551 --> 00:18:49,965 At that time, I was pregnant, 284 00:18:49,965 --> 00:18:52,965 but I hadn't shared the news with anybody. 285 00:18:52,965 --> 00:18:56,103 The only people that knew was my husband and myself, 286 00:18:57,551 --> 00:19:02,000 and, um, I was going to 287 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:06,275 tell my mom and dad that night. 288 00:19:09,551 --> 00:19:11,379 About one o'clock in the afternoon, 289 00:19:11,379 --> 00:19:12,931 went to get into my vehicle. 290 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:14,724 As soon as I closed the door, 291 00:19:14,793 --> 00:19:17,517 a black sedan pulled up behind my vehicle. 292 00:19:20,689 --> 00:19:23,448 And all four doors opened in the sedan. 293 00:19:23,448 --> 00:19:26,827 Two police got out, and my dad got out, 294 00:19:26,896 --> 00:19:31,448 and I knew immediately that something 295 00:19:31,448 --> 00:19:32,758 horrible had happened. 296 00:19:32,758 --> 00:19:35,517 What happened? 297 00:19:39,172 --> 00:19:43,586 I says, "Is it mom?" And he says, "Yeah, it's mom." 298 00:19:43,586 --> 00:19:45,482 And I says, "Where is she?" 299 00:19:45,482 --> 00:19:49,482 And he says, "We need to go in the house and talk," 300 00:19:49,482 --> 00:19:52,620 and I says, "No, I'm not going anywhere 'til I get some answers," 301 00:19:55,172 --> 00:20:00,793 and one of the detectives said that she had died. 302 00:20:05,275 --> 00:20:10,758 And I got very hysterical, started screaming and crying. 303 00:20:10,758 --> 00:20:13,793 [distant sobbing] No! No! 304 00:20:13,793 --> 00:20:16,000 I was like, 305 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,827 "Where's mom?" And he says, "She's in Idaho." 306 00:20:19,689 --> 00:20:22,344 And I says, "What is she doing in Idaho?" 307 00:20:22,344 --> 00:20:25,379 And he says, "Oh, she went over to hang out with her friend 308 00:20:25,379 --> 00:20:27,448 for the weekend," 309 00:20:27,448 --> 00:20:30,620 and he says, "Your mom and her friend were murdered." 310 00:20:33,034 --> 00:20:35,655 I asked him, I says, "How were they killed?" 311 00:20:35,655 --> 00:20:38,827 And he says, "They were each shot once in the head 312 00:20:38,896 --> 00:20:40,793 while they were in bed." 313 00:20:42,275 --> 00:20:47,034 My father was unreasonably calm, 314 00:20:47,034 --> 00:20:51,000 and he says, "Well, it looks like an occult did it." 315 00:21:00,586 --> 00:21:01,827 [exhales] 316 00:21:03,793 --> 00:21:08,620 This picture is of several red candles 317 00:21:09,551 --> 00:21:13,413 that were lit, and they melted down to nothing, 318 00:21:15,965 --> 00:21:21,000 and I believe the countertop in front of it was written in 319 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,068 my mother's blood, it says, "Satan loves you." 320 00:21:25,172 --> 00:21:29,413 That goes along with the other writings down the walls 321 00:21:30,241 --> 00:21:32,000 in my mother's blood. 322 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:36,172 Helter Skelter, pigs, kind of like taken out of the book 323 00:21:36,172 --> 00:21:37,655 Helter Skelter. 324 00:21:38,586 --> 00:21:43,482 My dad was saying that it was a Satanic cult that did it, 325 00:21:43,482 --> 00:21:45,413 and it was a random killing, 326 00:21:46,172 --> 00:21:50,379 and things already weren't adding up. 327 00:21:50,379 --> 00:21:53,000 These were premeditated murders. 328 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,862 These were not done just on the fly. 329 00:21:55,862 --> 00:21:57,689 He had a plan. 330 00:21:57,689 --> 00:22:01,206 He knew what he needed to do and what he wanted to do. 331 00:22:04,068 --> 00:22:07,137 A very evil, conniving person. 332 00:22:08,965 --> 00:22:12,000 As if killing her wasn't enough, and you're picking up 333 00:22:12,068 --> 00:22:17,275 pools of blood and taking the time to set the candles up 334 00:22:17,275 --> 00:22:20,896 and writing Satan loves you and the other things that he did 335 00:22:20,896 --> 00:22:22,172 throughout the house. 336 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,413 It makes me sick. 337 00:22:37,758 --> 00:22:39,586 I was not in a good way. 338 00:22:39,586 --> 00:22:42,517 My brain was all over the place. 339 00:22:44,965 --> 00:22:46,862 My dad says, "Come here and sit down," 340 00:22:46,862 --> 00:22:48,724 and he put his arms around me. 341 00:22:51,103 --> 00:22:53,793 I says, "We had some news to share with you," 342 00:22:54,689 --> 00:22:58,241 and he goes, "Oh yeah, what's that?" 343 00:23:00,896 --> 00:23:03,000 I says, "Well, I hate to tell you this now, 344 00:23:03,068 --> 00:23:05,931 "and I hate to tell you like this, 345 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,931 "with all this going on, but you need to know 346 00:23:09,689 --> 00:23:11,413 that I am pregnant." 347 00:23:11,482 --> 00:23:15,379 [echoing] I'm gonna have a baby. 348 00:23:15,379 --> 00:23:18,689 "I've known for two weeks. I haven't told anybody, 349 00:23:18,689 --> 00:23:21,103 and we were going to tell you guys tonight." 350 00:23:23,448 --> 00:23:26,586 [discordant electric guitars playing] 351 00:23:26,586 --> 00:23:33,275 He, for the first time, showed emotion, 352 00:23:33,275 --> 00:23:36,034 and he squeezed me really tight, 353 00:23:36,034 --> 00:23:37,758 and he goes, 354 00:23:37,758 --> 00:23:39,275 "Oh my god." 355 00:23:39,275 --> 00:23:43,689 He goes, "Oh my god, if I would have only known, I am so sorry. 356 00:23:43,689 --> 00:23:46,724 I'm so sorry, honey. I wish I would have known." 357 00:23:46,793 --> 00:23:49,827 Why didn't you tell me sooner? 358 00:23:49,896 --> 00:23:52,482 And I felt uncomfortable 359 00:23:52,482 --> 00:23:54,172 because of his reaction. 360 00:23:55,586 --> 00:23:59,517 It was like, what would matter if you did know? 361 00:23:59,586 --> 00:24:01,103 And I didn't understand. 362 00:24:02,586 --> 00:24:04,758 And then I put two and two together. 363 00:24:04,758 --> 00:24:08,172 That was his way of telling me that if he would have known I 364 00:24:08,172 --> 00:24:10,310 was pregnant, 365 00:24:10,379 --> 00:24:12,275 that he would not have killed my mom. 366 00:24:20,034 --> 00:24:23,137 I had stayed the night with my dad that night in his home, 367 00:24:24,862 --> 00:24:26,931 and I didn't sleep all night. 368 00:24:28,241 --> 00:24:31,517 I couldn't get my father's reaction out of my head. 369 00:24:36,793 --> 00:24:41,172 So I got up the next morning. I heard my dad. 370 00:24:41,172 --> 00:24:42,275 [as Bill] Morning. 371 00:24:42,275 --> 00:24:44,068 [Sara] And he goes, "Well, what do you think?" 372 00:24:44,896 --> 00:24:46,724 And I says, "I don't know, 373 00:24:46,793 --> 00:24:48,655 what do you mean, 'What do I think?'" 374 00:24:48,655 --> 00:24:50,482 And he goes, "Well, look at my face." 375 00:24:53,689 --> 00:24:56,000 I was like, "Your beard's gone. You shaved off your beard." 376 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,000 And he goes, "Yeah, how's it look?" 377 00:24:58,965 --> 00:25:00,586 I says, "Why did you shave it? 378 00:25:00,586 --> 00:25:02,620 Are you trying to change your appearance?" 379 00:25:03,758 --> 00:25:06,275 And he says, "No, it was just time for a change." 380 00:25:06,275 --> 00:25:07,586 I'm a new man. 381 00:25:08,862 --> 00:25:11,793 [Sara] And he had had that beard for years. 382 00:25:13,586 --> 00:25:20,172 That was a huge red flag, huge. 383 00:25:20,172 --> 00:25:24,068 When I saw my father without his beard, it triggered 384 00:25:24,068 --> 00:25:25,758 something inside of me, 385 00:25:25,758 --> 00:25:31,241 and it made me believe that he did have something to hide. 386 00:25:40,896 --> 00:25:43,724 This is the Roundy house in Idaho Falls. 387 00:25:46,793 --> 00:25:48,517 I had never been there before. 388 00:25:49,275 --> 00:25:52,758 The first time I was there was when I went with my dad to pick 389 00:25:52,758 --> 00:25:55,000 up my mom's car to bring it back to Jackson. 390 00:25:56,448 --> 00:25:59,034 My mom had gone to Idaho Falls 391 00:25:59,034 --> 00:26:02,068 to Reeda's house for the weekend. 392 00:26:02,068 --> 00:26:05,517 Her and my mom were very close friends. 393 00:26:05,586 --> 00:26:07,413 I only went to the house the one time. 394 00:26:08,241 --> 00:26:10,896 It was hard. I didn't wanna be there. 395 00:26:10,896 --> 00:26:16,517 It felt really creepy, it felt evil. 396 00:26:19,034 --> 00:26:21,137 I just didn't want any part of it. 397 00:26:21,137 --> 00:26:23,241 I wanted to get in the car and go. 398 00:26:24,586 --> 00:26:28,034 This house represents evil to me for the things that took 399 00:26:28,034 --> 00:26:29,413 place inside of it. 400 00:26:30,172 --> 00:26:32,827 Two innocent women's lives were taken. 401 00:26:45,689 --> 00:26:47,827 None of it made any sense. 402 00:26:49,275 --> 00:26:52,413 While things weren't really setting well with me, 403 00:26:52,482 --> 00:26:57,172 I still wasn't sure if he was responsible. 404 00:26:59,275 --> 00:27:01,310 It was like I walked into a nightmare 405 00:27:01,379 --> 00:27:03,000 and I couldn't get out. 406 00:27:07,896 --> 00:27:11,758 The following day, my mom's best friend called, 407 00:27:11,758 --> 00:27:14,689 and she asked me to come to the house. 408 00:27:16,586 --> 00:27:19,000 She says, "I need to talk to you about your mom. 409 00:27:19,068 --> 00:27:21,275 I don't want your dad to know that you're here." 410 00:27:23,275 --> 00:27:26,827 So I walked in and we both started crying and we were 411 00:27:26,896 --> 00:27:27,965 hugging each other. 412 00:27:27,965 --> 00:27:32,896 [echoing] There's something you need to know. 413 00:27:32,896 --> 00:27:36,724 She says, "Sara, nobody's told you this, but your mom was 414 00:27:36,793 --> 00:27:37,827 having an affair," 415 00:27:40,137 --> 00:27:42,482 and I says, "My dad needs to hear this. 416 00:27:42,482 --> 00:27:43,551 You need to tell him," 417 00:27:43,551 --> 00:27:45,620 and she says, "He already does know." 418 00:27:45,689 --> 00:27:48,724 [echoing] Your dad found out about it. 419 00:27:50,448 --> 00:27:53,689 [Sara] "Your dad found out. 420 00:27:53,689 --> 00:27:57,137 "He was rummaging through your mom's closet and came upon 421 00:27:57,137 --> 00:28:03,448 "a bag that was full of letters and envelopes and cards 422 00:28:03,448 --> 00:28:05,517 to your mom from this person." 423 00:28:07,482 --> 00:28:10,275 When I learned that they weren't living as husband 424 00:28:10,275 --> 00:28:14,068 and wife but they were still residing in the same home, 425 00:28:14,068 --> 00:28:15,482 it hurt me. 426 00:28:15,482 --> 00:28:18,137 I was sad, I thought everything was OK. 427 00:28:19,172 --> 00:28:23,068 My mom told her friend, "If anything happens to me, 428 00:28:23,068 --> 00:28:24,413 it was Bill." 429 00:28:25,655 --> 00:28:27,724 He's responsible for your mom's death. 430 00:28:39,793 --> 00:28:44,241 I was drained, I was tired. I had just had a baby, 431 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,793 and the last thing I wanted was my dad around my family, 432 00:28:50,793 --> 00:28:54,275 and so I chose to confront him. 433 00:28:55,896 --> 00:28:59,413 This was several months after the murder. 434 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,206 Dad. 435 00:29:02,206 --> 00:29:06,000 He was sitting on the couch, and I says, "I need to ask 436 00:29:06,068 --> 00:29:07,172 you a question," 437 00:29:08,482 --> 00:29:10,413 and he says, "What is it?" 438 00:29:10,482 --> 00:29:13,206 And I says, "Did you kill my mom?" 439 00:29:14,137 --> 00:29:16,137 Tell me the truth. 440 00:29:16,137 --> 00:29:19,068 And I says, "Look at me 441 00:29:19,068 --> 00:29:21,379 and tell me, did you kill my mom?" 442 00:29:22,965 --> 00:29:25,137 And he said nothing. 443 00:29:25,137 --> 00:29:28,103 He wouldn't look at me, and he wouldn't give me an answer. 444 00:29:30,172 --> 00:29:34,379 By him not saying anything, it said everything to me. 445 00:29:44,379 --> 00:29:46,620 My emotions were all over the place. 446 00:29:47,448 --> 00:29:49,275 I knew in my gut 447 00:29:50,137 --> 00:29:51,379 that he did it. 448 00:29:52,344 --> 00:29:53,827 I knew why he did it. 449 00:29:56,448 --> 00:30:00,000 My father killed my mother because he was jealous of 450 00:30:00,068 --> 00:30:03,241 the relationship she was having with her new boyfriend, 451 00:30:03,241 --> 00:30:08,000 and he did not want her to leave him and take half of 452 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,758 everything that they owned. 453 00:30:09,758 --> 00:30:12,482 I believe Reeda was just in the wrong place at 454 00:30:12,482 --> 00:30:14,000 the wrong time, 455 00:30:14,068 --> 00:30:18,137 and once I spoke with the police, things started 456 00:30:18,137 --> 00:30:20,000 coming together, 457 00:30:25,862 --> 00:30:29,482 and they shared with me a report 458 00:30:29,482 --> 00:30:34,931 from a security guard that had seen my dad 459 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,068 the night of my mom's murder, 460 00:30:37,068 --> 00:30:38,931 that my father was in Idaho Falls, 461 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,000 I did not know this. 462 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,310 These are from the scene. 463 00:30:43,379 --> 00:30:46,586 [Sara] And they had some photos that they wanted to share with me, 464 00:30:46,586 --> 00:30:51,413 and they showed the blood on the wall and the candles. 465 00:30:53,241 --> 00:30:55,724 There were a couple cigarette butts that were laying in 466 00:30:55,793 --> 00:30:57,103 the same vicinity, 467 00:30:57,103 --> 00:31:00,068 and they just happened to be the brand that my father smoked. 468 00:31:01,103 --> 00:31:05,206 I asked them, you know, if you have such 469 00:31:06,275 --> 00:31:09,275 an overwhelming amount of evidence, why haven't 470 00:31:09,275 --> 00:31:11,034 you arrested him yet? 471 00:31:11,034 --> 00:31:13,931 And they said because it was all circumstantial. 472 00:31:15,551 --> 00:31:16,793 They weren't gonna get that smoking gun. 473 00:31:16,793 --> 00:31:19,551 What they were gonna get was me and what I could bring 474 00:31:19,551 --> 00:31:21,448 to the table. 475 00:31:21,448 --> 00:31:25,931 I realized that I was my mom's only voice 476 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,758 and that I had to help her 477 00:31:29,758 --> 00:31:33,310 to bring her murderer to justice, 478 00:31:33,379 --> 00:31:36,724 even if it meant prosecuting my father. 479 00:31:49,137 --> 00:31:51,896 I spoke with the detectives regularly, 480 00:31:52,689 --> 00:31:57,758 gathering information from them and giving them information 481 00:31:57,758 --> 00:32:01,482 that I had to hopefully help them along in their case. 482 00:32:01,482 --> 00:32:04,482 [unsettling music playing] 483 00:32:04,482 --> 00:32:08,379 One day, my father came over to my house, 484 00:32:08,379 --> 00:32:12,206 and I wasn't quite sure why he was there. 485 00:32:14,068 --> 00:32:18,896 He just came over and wanted to talk. 486 00:32:21,103 --> 00:32:23,551 He asked me if I was working with the police. 487 00:32:23,551 --> 00:32:25,310 I just told them what they already know. 488 00:32:27,482 --> 00:32:31,448 And I told him that I have been in contact with them, 489 00:32:31,448 --> 00:32:35,862 and, um, you are their only suspect, 490 00:32:35,862 --> 00:32:38,103 and they are coming after you. 491 00:32:38,103 --> 00:32:40,931 I'm not going down for this. 492 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,103 [Sara] It was hard. 493 00:32:42,103 --> 00:32:46,344 Up until that time, I was my dad's cheerleader, 494 00:32:46,344 --> 00:32:49,275 and I stuck up for him. 495 00:32:49,275 --> 00:32:52,310 I loved my dad a lot. 496 00:32:52,379 --> 00:32:55,137 He was everything to me, 497 00:32:56,068 --> 00:32:58,965 but he was no longer my dad. 498 00:32:58,965 --> 00:33:01,379 It was like the devil had gotten a hold of him, 499 00:33:03,103 --> 00:33:06,620 and he was angry when he left. 500 00:33:11,758 --> 00:33:15,827 Well, as time went on, other things started happening. 501 00:33:16,896 --> 00:33:19,827 I was afraid that somebody was out to get me, 502 00:33:20,689 --> 00:33:24,793 and he led me to believe that there might be a bomb in my car, 503 00:33:24,793 --> 00:33:28,172 and he wanted to check my tires and all of this stuff. 504 00:33:29,793 --> 00:33:31,724 He made me feel really uncomfortable, 505 00:33:31,793 --> 00:33:34,241 and that gave me bad dreams. 506 00:33:34,241 --> 00:33:40,137 I thought maybe if my dad could kill my mom, would it be 507 00:33:40,137 --> 00:33:42,724 possible for him to kill me as well? 508 00:33:49,586 --> 00:33:50,793 [sighs] 509 00:33:54,172 --> 00:33:55,931 I don't even want to look at this. 510 00:34:01,551 --> 00:34:03,068 [exhales heavily] 511 00:34:07,482 --> 00:34:09,310 Because I don't want to remember. 512 00:34:11,688 --> 00:34:13,413 I want it to all go away. 513 00:34:15,344 --> 00:34:17,310 I'm ready to get off the roller coaster. 514 00:34:24,241 --> 00:34:26,275 This is a picture of my dad, 515 00:34:28,103 --> 00:34:30,000 looking very humble and happy. 516 00:34:32,172 --> 00:34:33,585 This photo was taken 517 00:34:34,793 --> 00:34:37,482 in our home on Stacy Lane. 518 00:34:37,482 --> 00:34:40,827 That's where my mom and dad lived when my dad killed my mom. 519 00:34:42,965 --> 00:34:45,413 It's a very handsome picture of him, 520 00:34:48,068 --> 00:34:51,137 but it just, it's not him. 521 00:35:05,344 --> 00:35:10,379 One October evening, there was somebody at the door. 522 00:35:10,379 --> 00:35:13,413 They were knocking on the door, and I walked downstairs, 523 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,482 and two police officers were standing there. 524 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,724 The police arrested my father. 525 00:35:23,793 --> 00:35:26,275 They found him sitting outside in front of my house, 526 00:35:27,655 --> 00:35:29,758 where he told them he was just taking a rest. 527 00:35:29,758 --> 00:35:32,000 He was on his way to Vegas. 528 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,689 "Well, this is the second time in two weeks that we have seen 529 00:35:34,689 --> 00:35:36,310 you in front of Sara's house." 530 00:35:41,689 --> 00:35:44,965 It scared me to death. 531 00:35:44,965 --> 00:35:48,965 When the police told me that my father was caught outside of 532 00:35:48,965 --> 00:35:52,241 my home two different times, I was shocked, 533 00:35:54,379 --> 00:35:57,448 and when they searched the car, they found two loaded handguns 534 00:35:57,448 --> 00:35:59,000 on the front seat. 535 00:35:59,068 --> 00:36:02,586 They found several rifles and handguns in the trunk of 536 00:36:02,586 --> 00:36:08,068 the vehicle, as well as a brown paper bag full of $80,000. 537 00:36:10,586 --> 00:36:13,000 I knew he was going to 538 00:36:13,862 --> 00:36:16,620 try to get in the house and kill me. 539 00:36:29,758 --> 00:36:34,137 When I went to trial, it was the most emotional 540 00:36:34,137 --> 00:36:36,965 rollercoaster I'd ever been on in my life. 541 00:36:36,965 --> 00:36:39,103 I cried, I pleaded with my dad. 542 00:36:39,103 --> 00:36:42,655 I says, "Daddy," I says, "please just tell us that 543 00:36:42,655 --> 00:36:44,931 you did it so we can be done with this." 544 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,000 I says, "I love you so much, you're my father, 545 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,275 you'll always be my daddy," 546 00:36:49,275 --> 00:36:53,000 and I says, "I don't forgive you for what you did," I says, 547 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,344 "but I'm trying to understand, 548 00:36:55,344 --> 00:37:00,482 and I just want you to stop this now, it's not necessary," 549 00:37:01,379 --> 00:37:04,551 and I got off the witness stand and walked across the courtroom 550 00:37:04,551 --> 00:37:07,103 and two cops came up and grabbed me on both sides 551 00:37:07,103 --> 00:37:10,620 because I was going to my dad to give him a hug, 552 00:37:11,793 --> 00:37:16,103 and I was like, "Please stop this, just make it stop," 553 00:37:17,241 --> 00:37:24,482 and we broke for a time 554 00:37:24,482 --> 00:37:26,517 so that I could compose myself. 555 00:37:31,344 --> 00:37:36,517 I just remember falling into my aunt's arms and just 556 00:37:38,482 --> 00:37:43,310 being so overwhelmed with every emotion you could think of. 557 00:37:45,172 --> 00:37:49,068 I didn't want to be there anymore, but I knew I had to 558 00:37:49,068 --> 00:37:50,517 finish what I started. 559 00:37:52,965 --> 00:37:55,310 Trial lasted two weeks. 560 00:37:55,379 --> 00:37:56,793 As it came to a close, 561 00:37:56,793 --> 00:38:00,344 and they were getting ready to read the verdict, 562 00:38:00,344 --> 00:38:01,241 and I started shaking -- 563 00:38:01,241 --> 00:38:03,827 I was shaking so bad I couldn't stop, 564 00:38:03,896 --> 00:38:08,931 and I was just crying, and the judge said 565 00:38:10,379 --> 00:38:14,000 to the jury, "How do you find the defendant?" 566 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,000 And they said, 567 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,000 "Guilty, first-degree murder." 568 00:38:36,103 --> 00:38:39,931 About a week or so after the trial, I went to the jail 569 00:38:41,344 --> 00:38:44,931 to see if he would talk to me and without a bunch of people 570 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,931 around and just reiterate with him, you know, 571 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,724 "I know you did this, I wish you would, you know, admit it. 572 00:38:52,793 --> 00:38:54,793 "You're not gonna be any worse off than you are now if 573 00:38:54,793 --> 00:38:56,068 you admit it," 574 00:38:57,793 --> 00:39:00,758 but I just, I was looking for closure. 575 00:39:00,758 --> 00:39:05,034 I drove to Idaho Falls, and I asked if I could see him, 576 00:39:05,034 --> 00:39:08,827 and the jailer came back, and he says that he doesn't have 577 00:39:08,896 --> 00:39:11,793 a daughter anymore, and he doesn't wanna see me, 578 00:39:11,793 --> 00:39:13,620 and I says, "OK, that's fine." 579 00:39:13,689 --> 00:39:18,000 I says, "Would you please see to it that he gets this Bible?" 580 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,793 And he said, "Yes, most definitely." 581 00:39:19,793 --> 00:39:23,551 He would give him the Bible, and that was the last contact 582 00:39:23,551 --> 00:39:25,310 that I tried to have with him. 583 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,379 [laughing] 584 00:39:41,379 --> 00:39:42,724 Oh, my goodness. 585 00:39:45,586 --> 00:39:48,724 This was taken four months before she was murdered. 586 00:39:50,448 --> 00:39:55,137 She was in California visiting her sister, and she looks 587 00:39:55,137 --> 00:39:56,241 so beautiful. 588 00:39:57,896 --> 00:40:01,310 She just looks very healthy and fit and happy, 589 00:40:01,379 --> 00:40:03,724 like she doesn't have a care in the world, 590 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:10,000 but I know now that 591 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,689 her mind must have been muddled 592 00:40:12,689 --> 00:40:14,620 with what-ifs -- 593 00:40:14,689 --> 00:40:18,620 What if Bill finds me, what if Bill tries to hurt me? 594 00:40:18,689 --> 00:40:21,413 You don't see any of that in this picture. 595 00:40:21,482 --> 00:40:23,517 She was very good at hiding things. 596 00:40:24,655 --> 00:40:27,103 This is one of my favorite photos of her. 597 00:40:28,896 --> 00:40:31,793 The things I loved about my mom the most was she was 598 00:40:31,793 --> 00:40:33,068 so warmhearted. 599 00:40:34,379 --> 00:40:37,827 She treated everybody with respect 600 00:40:38,862 --> 00:40:40,000 and dignity. 601 00:40:41,896 --> 00:40:45,655 I recall a time working at the pawn shop alongside 602 00:40:45,655 --> 00:40:48,275 her when my father was at home ill, 603 00:40:48,275 --> 00:40:51,620 and a woman came in, and she had a little baby, 604 00:40:54,344 --> 00:40:56,689 and she wanted to pawn her wedding ring 605 00:40:56,689 --> 00:40:58,724 so she could afford to buy some diapers, 606 00:40:59,793 --> 00:41:02,655 and my mom told her to keep her ring, 607 00:41:02,655 --> 00:41:05,413 and my mom went to her wallet and got $20 out, 608 00:41:05,482 --> 00:41:09,379 and she says, "Here, I hope this helps you." 609 00:41:09,379 --> 00:41:11,724 That's the kind of person my mom was. 610 00:41:21,103 --> 00:41:24,275 Rick broke into the house and stabbed my mother. 611 00:41:24,275 --> 00:41:29,000 Everything that was once there was broke into a million pieces. 612 00:41:29,068 --> 00:41:30,586 He took a family that had so much hope 613 00:41:30,586 --> 00:41:33,793 and could have done some good, and he just killed us all.