1 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:15,367 ♪ 2 00:00:15,367 --> 00:00:18,066 Gary took me in the other room, tied me up, 3 00:00:18,133 --> 00:00:19,667 and threw me in the box. 4 00:00:23,567 --> 00:00:26,467 I was basically told how well I performed sexually 5 00:00:26,467 --> 00:00:29,166 determined if I lived or if I died basically, 6 00:00:29,233 --> 00:00:32,367 and then he raped me 7 00:00:32,433 --> 00:00:34,066 and put me back in the box. 8 00:00:34,133 --> 00:00:36,967 I prayed a lot 9 00:00:38,467 --> 00:00:39,567 in that box, 10 00:00:39,567 --> 00:00:42,233 because I didn't think I was coming home. 11 00:00:56,367 --> 00:00:58,867 It, uh -- yeah, I... 12 00:01:03,967 --> 00:01:06,066 I remember the first time I saw the box. 13 00:01:06,066 --> 00:01:09,166 I know what it's like, you know, 14 00:01:09,233 --> 00:01:12,066 not knowing if you are going to live or die. 15 00:01:13,100 --> 00:01:15,667 He tied me up. He used a knife. 16 00:01:15,667 --> 00:01:19,467 The house was my box. 17 00:01:19,467 --> 00:01:22,467 MAN: Simmons was accused of raping Wolfe's girlfriend 18 00:01:22,467 --> 00:01:24,734 and imprisoning her inside this box. 19 00:01:26,467 --> 00:01:28,066 LORI: I can relate to Brook. 20 00:01:28,133 --> 00:01:31,367 Our stories are connected because 21 00:01:31,433 --> 00:01:33,100 the thing that we have in common 22 00:01:33,100 --> 00:01:35,166 is Gary. 23 00:01:44,767 --> 00:01:48,667 I hate that somebody had to be murdered, 24 00:01:48,667 --> 00:01:51,266 traumatized, and tortured. 25 00:01:51,266 --> 00:01:53,266 It could have all been prevented. 26 00:01:56,467 --> 00:01:57,767 She could have stopped him, 27 00:01:57,767 --> 00:02:01,133 and she didn't. 28 00:02:11,567 --> 00:02:13,533 [very quietly] Wow. 29 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:16,166 Wow. 30 00:02:16,233 --> 00:02:18,367 [normally] I would have put that [bleep] away then, 31 00:02:21,300 --> 00:02:24,634 and I wouldn't have stopped until he was behind bars. 32 00:02:31,567 --> 00:02:33,967 I felt guilty. I think the guilt 33 00:02:33,967 --> 00:02:36,767 that I -- I felt was when it -- 34 00:02:36,767 --> 00:02:40,567 when it started affecting other people 35 00:02:40,567 --> 00:02:42,367 other than me, like Brook. 36 00:02:42,433 --> 00:02:46,166 She has every right to be angry. 37 00:02:46,233 --> 00:02:49,100 I'm nervous to meet her. 38 00:02:49,100 --> 00:02:52,567 I need to look her in the eyes 39 00:02:52,567 --> 00:02:54,266 so she knows... 40 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,567 I got butterflies in my stomach. I'm nervous. 41 00:02:58,567 --> 00:03:01,667 My palms are sweating, my hands, my feet, 42 00:03:01,667 --> 00:03:02,767 they're both sweating. 43 00:03:02,767 --> 00:03:05,934 Um, it's hard to breathe a little bit. 44 00:03:07,166 --> 00:03:09,166 I'm just nervous. I'm a nervous wreck. 45 00:03:16,467 --> 00:03:19,166 [The Paper Chase's "What's So Amazing About Grace?" plays] 46 00:03:19,166 --> 00:03:21,266 [strings continue playing sinister tune] 47 00:03:21,266 --> 00:03:23,033 [static crackling] 48 00:03:25,967 --> 00:03:28,367 -[knock at door] -[creaking] 49 00:03:28,367 --> 00:03:38,867 -[banging on door] -[creaking] 50 00:03:38,867 --> 00:03:41,467 [water dripping] 51 00:03:41,467 --> 00:03:43,667 -[banging on door] -[creaking] 52 00:03:43,667 --> 00:03:46,066 [sinister chord strikes] 53 00:03:57,367 --> 00:04:02,967 This picture was taken at church with my first daughter 54 00:04:03,033 --> 00:04:05,066 with Gary. 55 00:04:05,066 --> 00:04:07,867 It's my son, my oldest daughter, 56 00:04:07,934 --> 00:04:10,567 and my second daughter, Gary, and myself. 57 00:04:10,634 --> 00:04:16,567 I met Gary about 10 months after my first divorce, 58 00:04:16,567 --> 00:04:19,767 I had two children, you know, with my first husband, 59 00:04:19,834 --> 00:04:23,100 and Gary was the groundskeeper at my kids' daycare. 60 00:04:23,100 --> 00:04:26,667 He was very sweet, kind to my kids. 61 00:04:26,734 --> 00:04:31,100 He smiled -- he was the perfect stepdad. 62 00:04:31,100 --> 00:04:33,667 He was the perfect first-time father. 63 00:04:33,667 --> 00:04:36,767 The terror and fear had not yet started. 64 00:04:37,700 --> 00:04:38,934 We were all content. 65 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,367 We were all peaceful. 66 00:04:58,900 --> 00:05:02,233 Gary started attending the church that I was attending. 67 00:05:03,700 --> 00:05:07,667 It was after Sunday school, and my pastor's wife, 68 00:05:07,734 --> 00:05:10,000 she had come to me, and she said, 69 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:11,934 "Lori, can I speak to you for a minute?" 70 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:14,667 She says, "I love you. 71 00:05:14,667 --> 00:05:17,667 "I want the very best for you and your little family." 72 00:05:17,667 --> 00:05:21,567 She says, "But Gary does not have an easy spirit." 73 00:05:21,567 --> 00:05:23,667 She says, "There is something there. 74 00:05:23,667 --> 00:05:24,934 It is not right." 75 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,734 That conversation didn't take more than 20 seconds. 76 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,333 And literally, that's all that was said. 77 00:05:36,066 --> 00:05:39,667 I didn't hold much merit to it, because I didn't feel 78 00:05:39,667 --> 00:05:41,133 threatened in any way. 79 00:05:44,900 --> 00:05:50,133 But I remembered that statement when things started changing, 80 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:53,667 when things started happening. 81 00:05:54,900 --> 00:05:56,767 If I would have heeded that warning, 82 00:05:56,834 --> 00:05:59,667 I would have not endured the things that 83 00:05:59,667 --> 00:06:01,333 I endured through the years. 84 00:06:07,867 --> 00:06:09,066 When we were dating, 85 00:06:09,133 --> 00:06:11,667 he was very considerate and loving and always wanted to 86 00:06:11,667 --> 00:06:12,867 show appreciation. 87 00:06:12,867 --> 00:06:15,967 But I guess his cockiness showed through a little bit. 88 00:06:16,033 --> 00:06:17,467 He says, "I'm going to marry you. 89 00:06:17,533 --> 00:06:19,066 I'm going to make a life with you." 90 00:06:21,867 --> 00:06:23,767 Our church would have Sweetheart Banquets. 91 00:06:23,834 --> 00:06:27,867 -Couples would go have a dinner. -But we're not rushing anything. 92 00:06:27,934 --> 00:06:30,266 I'm talking with a person, and I didn't even pay 93 00:06:30,333 --> 00:06:32,634 attention, and everybody just started getting quiet. 94 00:06:34,266 --> 00:06:36,734 Somebody at the end of the table kind of pointed, 95 00:06:37,667 --> 00:06:42,033 and I looked, and Gary was to my right, and he was on his knees. 96 00:06:44,266 --> 00:06:46,467 He proposed in front of all these people. 97 00:06:46,533 --> 00:06:50,100 I swear to you, 98 00:06:50,100 --> 00:06:51,734 you could have dropped a pin and heard it. 99 00:06:52,867 --> 00:06:55,166 And I told him, "Get up, this ain't happening." 100 00:06:55,233 --> 00:06:56,567 He wasn't disappointed. 101 00:06:56,567 --> 00:07:00,667 He was smiling, and he says, "I'm not getting up. 102 00:07:00,734 --> 00:07:02,867 I'm not getting up until you say yes." 103 00:07:04,900 --> 00:07:08,533 All of the pressure was on me, so all of eyes were on me. 104 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:12,567 His eyes never wavered. 105 00:07:12,567 --> 00:07:14,967 He was not moving until I said yes. 106 00:07:14,967 --> 00:07:17,133 And I said, "Okay, yes. Get up." 107 00:07:20,367 --> 00:07:22,367 He puts the ring on my finger, 108 00:07:22,433 --> 00:07:25,166 and he turns around, throws his arms up and says, 109 00:07:25,166 --> 00:07:28,934 "She said yes," you know, and I was mortified. 110 00:07:30,767 --> 00:07:31,867 And he leaned in 111 00:07:31,867 --> 00:07:33,867 and kissed me on the cheek. 112 00:07:33,867 --> 00:07:36,867 And he told me, "I told you, you'd say yes." 113 00:07:40,100 --> 00:07:42,467 That was just one more calculation. 114 00:07:42,533 --> 00:07:47,066 He did it knowing that I would, I would say yes 115 00:07:47,133 --> 00:07:49,033 just to stop it. 116 00:07:50,266 --> 00:07:51,867 Gary was my rebound. 117 00:07:51,934 --> 00:07:54,767 He was the person that I thought I needed. 118 00:07:56,166 --> 00:07:58,367 My rebound 119 00:07:58,367 --> 00:08:02,367 could have killed me, and not only me, it could have killed 120 00:08:02,433 --> 00:08:03,834 my children. 121 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,867 This is the front part of the house. 122 00:08:23,667 --> 00:08:26,734 For a split second, when you handed that to me, 123 00:08:28,867 --> 00:08:31,667 I -- I, um, I got nervous. 124 00:08:33,700 --> 00:08:36,266 It was a little unsettling. 125 00:08:36,266 --> 00:08:38,767 The house still creeps me out, 126 00:08:38,767 --> 00:08:42,533 and I have not set foot in there in 27 years. 127 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:49,266 You almost feel the evil that resonates there. 128 00:08:49,333 --> 00:08:51,967 That was supposed to be my safe haven. 129 00:08:51,967 --> 00:08:55,467 It wound up being a tomb for a person, you know, 130 00:08:55,467 --> 00:08:58,166 it wound up being a prison for another one. 131 00:08:58,233 --> 00:09:02,367 The acts that happened in that house... 132 00:09:02,367 --> 00:09:05,667 were evil. 133 00:09:05,734 --> 00:09:08,934 The evil in the house 134 00:09:09,900 --> 00:09:11,333 started with me. 135 00:09:25,266 --> 00:09:28,000 This is Gary and our first child. 136 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,667 He was still 137 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:33,667 very much the Gary 138 00:09:33,734 --> 00:09:37,467 that he had led me to believe he was still -- still happy, 139 00:09:37,533 --> 00:09:39,367 still peaceful, still contented. 140 00:09:39,367 --> 00:09:41,634 The monster's not in there yet. 141 00:09:46,567 --> 00:09:49,867 He didn't start changing until after 142 00:09:49,867 --> 00:09:53,467 I gave birth to our child. 143 00:09:53,533 --> 00:09:56,567 After my daughter was born, when he would want to be intimate, 144 00:09:56,567 --> 00:09:59,166 I told him no, he can't. It's not time. It's too soon. 145 00:09:59,233 --> 00:10:01,367 You have to wait, and he said, "That's not gonna happen." 146 00:10:01,367 --> 00:10:04,567 There was no way that he was not having sex. 147 00:10:04,567 --> 00:10:08,066 That evening, he forced himself on me. 148 00:10:10,767 --> 00:10:12,934 That was the very first time Gary raped me. 149 00:10:15,367 --> 00:10:17,266 I was shocked that it happened. 150 00:10:17,266 --> 00:10:22,634 I did not have any idea that he was capable of that. 151 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,367 I couldn't get in the shower fast enough. 152 00:10:26,433 --> 00:10:27,867 I could never use enough soap. 153 00:10:27,867 --> 00:10:30,467 I could never stay in the shower long enough. 154 00:10:30,467 --> 00:10:33,967 I felt dirty, and I felt used. 155 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,266 I wasn't quite sure on what happened. 156 00:10:38,333 --> 00:10:40,967 And I didn't even know if that was considered rape, 157 00:10:40,967 --> 00:10:43,266 because we were married. 158 00:10:43,266 --> 00:10:45,433 I had already had one failed marriage, 159 00:10:46,567 --> 00:10:48,100 and now I am on marriage 160 00:10:48,100 --> 00:10:50,367 number two -- the only common denominator 161 00:10:50,367 --> 00:10:51,667 between those two was me. 162 00:10:51,667 --> 00:10:55,166 So something was wrong with me to drive these men 163 00:10:55,166 --> 00:10:57,667 to do what they did. 164 00:10:59,166 --> 00:11:02,367 It's easy to pass judgment on somebody and say, well, 165 00:11:02,433 --> 00:11:04,567 if that was me, I would have left and never 166 00:11:04,567 --> 00:11:06,266 thought nothing about it. 167 00:11:06,266 --> 00:11:09,967 You can tell me all day long what you think you would do 168 00:11:10,033 --> 00:11:14,266 if you were put in a situation where you have been 169 00:11:14,333 --> 00:11:17,967 manipulated your entire relationship. 170 00:11:18,033 --> 00:11:19,467 It's easy to say, well, I would leave, 171 00:11:19,467 --> 00:11:23,133 but it's not as easy as people think it is. 172 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,667 LORI: Gary had told me early on in our relationship 173 00:11:30,667 --> 00:11:32,567 that he loved to write short stories. 174 00:11:32,634 --> 00:11:37,433 He had like 40, 50 binders. 175 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,000 And I remember reading the stories, 176 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,066 and I don't know if he let me 177 00:11:43,133 --> 00:11:46,467 read that to gauge my reaction or my interest 178 00:11:46,467 --> 00:11:50,066 in what he had written. 179 00:11:50,066 --> 00:11:52,367 The women in the books that he was writing 180 00:11:52,367 --> 00:11:56,867 about were sex slaves, and it was all, all about 181 00:11:56,867 --> 00:11:58,333 dominating women. 182 00:12:00,166 --> 00:12:03,767 I wasn't aware of how deep and dark his writings were. 183 00:12:03,767 --> 00:12:06,967 Deviant would be putting it very lightly. 184 00:12:06,967 --> 00:12:11,166 That's when I had learned that his taste 185 00:12:11,166 --> 00:12:16,533 for darker sexual activities was really dark. 186 00:12:17,667 --> 00:12:20,767 Each of them were stories that consisted of 187 00:12:20,767 --> 00:12:22,567 owning a sex slave, 188 00:12:22,567 --> 00:12:26,166 you know, exploring different type of 189 00:12:26,166 --> 00:12:30,266 sexual avenues, from pouring wax 190 00:12:30,333 --> 00:12:32,367 on somebody, burning somebody, 191 00:12:32,433 --> 00:12:35,367 cutting somebody, sticking somebody in a box. 192 00:12:35,367 --> 00:12:39,767 If you did not arouse him in the manner which he was trying 193 00:12:39,834 --> 00:12:44,266 to seek, in the book, then that person was killed off. 194 00:12:44,333 --> 00:12:47,467 And then he would start another story. 195 00:12:47,533 --> 00:12:49,333 Hey, hon, dinner's almost ready. 196 00:12:51,500 --> 00:12:54,467 I told him, that's not pleasure. That's torture. 197 00:12:54,467 --> 00:12:57,567 And he says, "Well, these are my fantasies. 198 00:12:57,567 --> 00:12:59,634 Something that makes me tick." 199 00:13:00,867 --> 00:13:03,333 He said, "I have secrets you know nothing about." 200 00:13:05,100 --> 00:13:10,066 At first, I didn't want to acknowledge that his mind could 201 00:13:10,066 --> 00:13:11,934 be that dark, 202 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,166 but he tried to bring them to life with me. 203 00:13:28,367 --> 00:13:29,467 When I would 204 00:13:29,467 --> 00:13:32,567 stand up to him, there was no warning. 205 00:13:32,567 --> 00:13:35,567 There was no, um, you better stop, you'd better, you know, 206 00:13:35,567 --> 00:13:37,867 you better back down, there was nothing like that. 207 00:13:37,934 --> 00:13:39,467 He went in for the kill. 208 00:13:39,467 --> 00:13:42,066 And when I tell you that, he would choke me, 209 00:13:42,066 --> 00:13:44,634 choke me to the point to where I would pass out. 210 00:13:46,867 --> 00:13:48,767 He was so big. 211 00:13:48,767 --> 00:13:50,767 I swear to you, his fingers would touch behind 212 00:13:50,834 --> 00:13:53,166 my esophagus, 213 00:13:53,233 --> 00:13:55,467 and he would hold it there. 214 00:13:55,467 --> 00:13:57,734 He would hold it there until I passed out. 215 00:14:07,667 --> 00:14:09,433 When I had come to, 216 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,834 we were in the bedroom. 217 00:14:15,100 --> 00:14:20,767 He had tied both my arms above my head, um, and both my feet to 218 00:14:20,767 --> 00:14:22,867 the bedpost. 219 00:14:22,867 --> 00:14:25,266 He was, like, standing to the left of me, 220 00:14:25,266 --> 00:14:27,166 and I didn't know what was going to happen. 221 00:14:27,233 --> 00:14:31,867 My heart was beating so fast, I just knew he could hear it. 222 00:14:31,867 --> 00:14:33,467 Please stop. 223 00:14:33,533 --> 00:14:37,166 LORI: I had asked him, "Let me go, please untie me. 224 00:14:37,233 --> 00:14:41,166 I'm not a fan of this," and he told me it was not about me. 225 00:14:41,166 --> 00:14:42,667 This was not about me. 226 00:14:42,667 --> 00:14:44,734 AS GARY: Don't be selfish. 227 00:14:46,867 --> 00:14:49,133 LORI: He was calm. He wasn't angry. 228 00:14:51,367 --> 00:14:53,166 I remember him blindfolding me, 229 00:14:53,166 --> 00:14:55,467 and I just remember 230 00:14:55,467 --> 00:14:57,934 being scared out of my mind. 231 00:14:59,300 --> 00:15:01,000 I could hear him walking, 232 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:02,867 but I couldn't see what he was doing. 233 00:15:02,934 --> 00:15:04,867 [creaking noises] 234 00:15:04,934 --> 00:15:05,967 And he just told me to 235 00:15:05,967 --> 00:15:08,567 pay close attention 236 00:15:08,567 --> 00:15:10,667 to my body. 237 00:15:14,867 --> 00:15:16,967 I didn't scream. I didn't squirm. 238 00:15:16,967 --> 00:15:18,867 I literally just held my breath 239 00:15:18,867 --> 00:15:21,734 and just waited for what was coming. 240 00:15:22,767 --> 00:15:25,100 He took a blade, and... 241 00:15:25,100 --> 00:15:30,367 he just kind of outlined my face and he would go -- 242 00:15:30,367 --> 00:15:33,767 go behind my ears, almost like -- 243 00:15:33,834 --> 00:15:36,233 almost like he was peeling my face off. 244 00:15:37,567 --> 00:15:40,066 He just started outlining my body. 245 00:15:40,133 --> 00:15:41,166 He was a butcher. 246 00:15:41,166 --> 00:15:44,867 You know, he worked in a butcher shop. 247 00:15:44,934 --> 00:15:46,834 His knives were razor sharp. 248 00:15:48,500 --> 00:15:50,834 If I would have flinched, it would have cut me. 249 00:15:52,967 --> 00:15:55,767 He was just tracing the outline of my body with 250 00:15:55,767 --> 00:16:00,233 his knife, and I was petrified. 251 00:16:02,567 --> 00:16:04,266 I thought I was dying that night. 252 00:16:04,266 --> 00:16:06,767 This was one of the fantasies that he had written about. 253 00:16:07,867 --> 00:16:10,166 If I made a noise, if I twitched 254 00:16:10,233 --> 00:16:11,834 or flinched a little bit, 255 00:16:14,467 --> 00:16:15,734 it aroused him. 256 00:16:18,500 --> 00:16:22,266 I could feel the arousal, and I could almost 257 00:16:22,266 --> 00:16:26,100 feel his pulse quicken with each time that I would moan 258 00:16:26,100 --> 00:16:28,667 or each time I would wince, because of 259 00:16:28,667 --> 00:16:32,367 the fear that was building inside me -- he enjoyed 260 00:16:32,433 --> 00:16:34,867 the discomfort, he enjoyed the pain 261 00:16:34,867 --> 00:16:37,166 and the agony that he was causing. 262 00:16:37,233 --> 00:16:39,634 That's what excited him. 263 00:16:41,567 --> 00:16:43,066 The fear that he instilled. 264 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,166 I'm holding my breath, and I'm not wanting to move. 265 00:16:47,166 --> 00:16:51,266 The stiller I became, the less he liked it. 266 00:16:53,700 --> 00:16:55,967 I stayed perfectly still. 267 00:16:55,967 --> 00:17:00,934 He kind of ripped the blindfold off really fast, you know, 268 00:17:03,300 --> 00:17:05,767 and he said, "Well, this is not any fun anymore." 269 00:17:05,767 --> 00:17:07,367 You ruined it. 270 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,266 LORI: He couldn't untie my restraints. 271 00:17:17,266 --> 00:17:18,467 He had to cut them. 272 00:17:19,700 --> 00:17:22,967 And I remember getting in the shower and turning on 273 00:17:22,967 --> 00:17:25,333 the shower and just sobbing. 274 00:17:29,266 --> 00:17:32,467 It got to the point to it didn't take much to arouse him. 275 00:17:32,467 --> 00:17:36,467 It did not take much to set him off. 276 00:17:36,533 --> 00:17:38,467 I was definitely becoming afraid to -- 277 00:17:38,467 --> 00:17:40,166 to be alone with him. 278 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:50,266 I think it was, like, a legal aid service, and, um, 279 00:17:50,266 --> 00:17:53,000 I had called them and had spoke to 280 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,100 a lady and just told her about the abuse and about 281 00:17:56,100 --> 00:17:57,867 the sexual abuse and all that stuff. 282 00:17:57,867 --> 00:18:00,166 And she told me that in the state of Mississippi, 283 00:18:00,233 --> 00:18:02,767 you can't get divorced when you're -- 284 00:18:02,767 --> 00:18:05,467 when you're pregnant. 285 00:18:05,467 --> 00:18:08,266 And I said, "Well, I'm not pregnant," but 286 00:18:08,266 --> 00:18:11,266 the state of Mississippi, um, required me to take 287 00:18:11,266 --> 00:18:16,266 a pregnancy test in order to proceed with me filing for 288 00:18:16,333 --> 00:18:18,166 a divorce. 289 00:18:18,166 --> 00:18:19,867 I took a pregnancy test 290 00:18:22,367 --> 00:18:24,066 and found out that I was pregnant. 291 00:18:29,166 --> 00:18:34,266 Every avenue I took, every explanation I got, 292 00:18:34,266 --> 00:18:37,066 it was all in his favor. 293 00:18:37,133 --> 00:18:39,867 It was my job to prove the abuse. 294 00:18:39,867 --> 00:18:43,100 It was my job to supply them with evidence. 295 00:18:43,100 --> 00:18:46,367 There was no way for me to prove anything that happened. 296 00:18:48,367 --> 00:18:53,133 I had to stay put where I was for another year. 297 00:18:55,367 --> 00:18:56,734 I was devastated. 298 00:19:04,066 --> 00:19:07,166 So when I found out I was pregnant for the second time, 299 00:19:07,233 --> 00:19:09,667 it was just very, very stressful, because 300 00:19:09,667 --> 00:19:12,934 I wanted out, I wanted -- I wanted this to be over. 301 00:19:17,567 --> 00:19:19,533 Sorry. 302 00:19:22,867 --> 00:19:24,834 And I could not have -- 303 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,033 I had the potential of not living through that. 304 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,367 And it wasn't only me, you know, it was my kids, 305 00:19:34,433 --> 00:19:37,033 and it was, uh... 306 00:19:38,367 --> 00:19:39,834 there wasn't just me 307 00:19:40,867 --> 00:19:43,867 that I look back now and think 308 00:19:44,867 --> 00:19:46,533 the danger that I, uh, 309 00:19:48,166 --> 00:19:50,467 I not only put myself in, but I put 310 00:19:50,467 --> 00:19:52,567 my children in, you know, 311 00:19:52,567 --> 00:19:55,433 I put people in that I love. 312 00:19:59,467 --> 00:20:01,367 When my children were sick or anything, 313 00:20:01,367 --> 00:20:04,166 I would just use that just to keep our -- 314 00:20:04,233 --> 00:20:06,533 keep us distant from him. 315 00:20:07,967 --> 00:20:09,867 We would go sleep in their bed or something like that. 316 00:20:09,867 --> 00:20:11,834 You know, anything to avoid him. 317 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:16,867 My first daughter by Gary was hospitalized. 318 00:20:16,934 --> 00:20:18,767 She became very, very sick, 319 00:20:18,767 --> 00:20:21,734 and we were there several days. 320 00:20:23,100 --> 00:20:27,266 Gary and my other two children were in Moss Point, and I shared 321 00:20:27,266 --> 00:20:30,000 custody with my ex, and it was his weekend to take 322 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,967 the children, and he went and got our children. 323 00:20:32,967 --> 00:20:36,000 And while I was in the hospital with my daughter, 324 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,467 my ex-husband came and told me that he needed to speak to me, 325 00:20:39,467 --> 00:20:43,467 and he had handed me some Polaroids. 326 00:20:43,467 --> 00:20:44,834 You need to take a look at this. 327 00:20:46,367 --> 00:20:51,066 LORI: The Polaroids were of children that had been beaten. 328 00:20:54,567 --> 00:20:58,266 And he told me that that was my oldest two children. 329 00:21:00,467 --> 00:21:01,867 I said, what are you talking about? 330 00:21:01,934 --> 00:21:05,066 And he said that Gary had beat them. 331 00:21:05,133 --> 00:21:08,266 I was kind of in disbelief. 332 00:21:08,333 --> 00:21:11,767 It went from the top of their bottoms to, 333 00:21:11,767 --> 00:21:13,367 you know, like the back of their knees. 334 00:21:13,367 --> 00:21:16,266 That wasn't just little welts or something. 335 00:21:16,333 --> 00:21:18,867 Those were deep black and blue bruises. 336 00:21:18,934 --> 00:21:22,567 So they were beat with a boat paddle and then 337 00:21:22,567 --> 00:21:25,834 the rod that you use to open and shut blinds. 338 00:21:26,900 --> 00:21:28,166 It turned my stomach. 339 00:21:28,166 --> 00:21:31,433 [exhales shakily] 340 00:21:40,667 --> 00:21:43,533 As a mom, my kids are who I live for. 341 00:21:44,867 --> 00:21:49,467 To know that I left them with somebody who would harm them 342 00:21:49,533 --> 00:21:52,467 scared me to death -- he didn't deny it. 343 00:21:52,467 --> 00:21:54,934 He said he might have went too far. 344 00:21:57,300 --> 00:21:58,467 According to him, 345 00:21:58,467 --> 00:22:01,567 physical discipline and hard work never hurt nobody. 346 00:22:01,634 --> 00:22:03,867 He said, "I hit them a few times." 347 00:22:03,867 --> 00:22:06,867 I said, "No, you beat them, you didn't hit them." 348 00:22:06,867 --> 00:22:10,467 I said, "There is a difference between discipline and abuse, 349 00:22:10,533 --> 00:22:11,867 "and if you don't know the difference, 350 00:22:11,867 --> 00:22:15,033 you have no business executing either one." 351 00:22:27,567 --> 00:22:29,967 My daughter told me that, uh, 352 00:22:31,166 --> 00:22:34,367 the reason it took so long for them to tell me was he had 353 00:22:34,433 --> 00:22:38,767 threatened them that he would kill me. 354 00:22:38,834 --> 00:22:40,567 He used their love for me 355 00:22:40,567 --> 00:22:43,467 in order to get them to submit to whatever 356 00:22:43,467 --> 00:22:44,667 he needed them to do. 357 00:22:44,667 --> 00:22:47,567 It haunts me. It haunts me to this day. 358 00:22:47,634 --> 00:22:50,867 Mind you, it, you know, it's been how many years, 359 00:22:50,867 --> 00:22:52,667 but that's not the point. 360 00:22:52,734 --> 00:22:55,734 The point is, you know, I... 361 00:22:56,900 --> 00:22:59,166 was not there when it happened. 362 00:23:13,100 --> 00:23:15,066 He had already played out some of 363 00:23:15,133 --> 00:23:16,266 the stories in his books. 364 00:23:16,333 --> 00:23:19,166 I didn't want any of the other stories. 365 00:23:19,233 --> 00:23:22,266 I didn't want to become a statistic, 366 00:23:22,266 --> 00:23:25,066 did not want to become one of his books. 367 00:23:25,133 --> 00:23:26,834 I didn't want to become one of his stories. 368 00:23:29,266 --> 00:23:31,367 One of the stories that Gary wrote 369 00:23:31,367 --> 00:23:33,367 was about a box, 370 00:23:33,367 --> 00:23:35,467 and it was for a person. 371 00:23:37,166 --> 00:23:39,066 I was in the kitchen when I heard 372 00:23:39,066 --> 00:23:40,734 this noise and this banging, 373 00:23:42,867 --> 00:23:45,066 and I'm thinking, what -- what are you doing? 374 00:23:45,066 --> 00:23:46,233 What is that? 375 00:23:47,900 --> 00:23:50,367 I seen he's got this huge box. 376 00:23:50,367 --> 00:23:52,367 I'm thinking, why do you need such a -- 377 00:23:52,367 --> 00:23:55,233 a big box, why do you need such a heavy box? 378 00:23:56,467 --> 00:23:58,634 AS LORI: Gary? 379 00:24:02,266 --> 00:24:04,166 And he said, "Oh, it's for my guns and for 380 00:24:04,166 --> 00:24:07,066 my knives, I want to make sure the kids don't get them." 381 00:24:08,467 --> 00:24:10,667 You need a case big enough to hide 382 00:24:10,667 --> 00:24:12,567 a body in for guns and knives? 383 00:24:12,567 --> 00:24:15,166 And I asked him, "What knives and guns do you have? 384 00:24:15,166 --> 00:24:18,066 You know, what, uh, I didn't know we had knives and guns." 385 00:24:18,133 --> 00:24:19,467 "We don't have them yet." 386 00:24:19,467 --> 00:24:21,567 It had a lock on 387 00:24:21,634 --> 00:24:25,233 the outside, and whatever you put in was not coming out, 388 00:24:26,867 --> 00:24:30,367 and just as easily as he told me it was just the box, 389 00:24:30,367 --> 00:24:32,634 he just dismissed the conversation. 390 00:24:36,767 --> 00:24:40,667 Why would you need a box so big for guns and knives 391 00:24:40,734 --> 00:24:43,066 that you didn't have? Something else was going on. 392 00:24:43,133 --> 00:24:47,033 Something was much deeper concerning the box. 393 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,166 LORI: I remember coming home, and my son was coming 394 00:25:02,166 --> 00:25:03,100 out of the woods. 395 00:25:03,100 --> 00:25:04,667 Honey? 396 00:25:04,667 --> 00:25:07,667 LORI: And I asked him, "Why are you so sweaty?" 397 00:25:07,734 --> 00:25:09,100 He said, "I'm digging a hole. 398 00:25:09,100 --> 00:25:11,266 "Gary told me to go out here and dig 399 00:25:11,266 --> 00:25:14,367 "a hole and not to come back in until I had reached 400 00:25:14,433 --> 00:25:16,166 a certain depth," or something like that. 401 00:25:16,233 --> 00:25:18,567 And I said, "Well, where is your sister?" 402 00:25:18,634 --> 00:25:19,567 "She's in the house." 403 00:25:19,567 --> 00:25:22,467 And I said, "Doing what?" He said, "Mom, 404 00:25:22,533 --> 00:25:24,266 "I don't know what -- what she's doing. 405 00:25:24,266 --> 00:25:26,634 I just know that I'm not allowed to go in the house." 406 00:25:29,166 --> 00:25:31,567 He was scared, 407 00:25:31,567 --> 00:25:36,166 like he was picking and choosing his words very carefully. 408 00:25:38,967 --> 00:25:42,433 When I walked into the house, I had called for my daughter. 409 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,467 She looked a little uncomfortable, 410 00:25:46,533 --> 00:25:50,367 she looked a little scattered, and I said, "Are you okay?" 411 00:25:50,367 --> 00:25:52,867 She says, "I'm fine," just very short. 412 00:25:52,934 --> 00:25:54,233 And that was not like her. 413 00:25:55,667 --> 00:25:57,867 My son told me that, "Mom, we need to talk. 414 00:25:57,934 --> 00:26:00,066 We need to go somewhere private." 415 00:26:00,066 --> 00:26:01,667 Well, the only private place I could 416 00:26:01,734 --> 00:26:05,667 think of would be the bathroom, so we went into the bathroom. 417 00:26:05,667 --> 00:26:09,867 My son was probably 11, maybe 12. 418 00:26:09,867 --> 00:26:11,834 And then my daughter was either 10 or 11. 419 00:26:12,867 --> 00:26:16,166 My daughter starts shaking, and I said, "Baby, 420 00:26:16,166 --> 00:26:17,467 what is wrong with you?" 421 00:26:17,467 --> 00:26:19,266 [pounding noises] 422 00:26:19,266 --> 00:26:20,467 AS GARY: Lori! 423 00:26:20,533 --> 00:26:23,467 Then just instantly, it literally sounded like 424 00:26:23,533 --> 00:26:26,667 the walls were gonna fall in, because Gary started 425 00:26:26,734 --> 00:26:28,467 beating on the doors. -[pounding noises] 426 00:26:28,533 --> 00:26:30,567 He beat the door so hard that 427 00:26:30,567 --> 00:26:32,467 the door frame come off in the bathroom. 428 00:26:32,467 --> 00:26:34,867 AS GARY: Lori, open this door! 429 00:26:34,867 --> 00:26:38,100 Open this door right now! 430 00:26:38,100 --> 00:26:39,467 This is the very first time I'd ever 431 00:26:39,533 --> 00:26:40,767 heard him raise his voice. 432 00:26:40,834 --> 00:26:44,066 He just kept saying, you know, "Don't you say a word. 433 00:26:44,066 --> 00:26:46,000 Remember what I told you." 434 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,166 AS GARY: It's our secret, not hers. 435 00:26:48,166 --> 00:26:53,467 LORI: His voice was full of hatred, of anger, of rage. 436 00:26:53,467 --> 00:26:55,667 AS GARY: Open this door, or I'll break it down! 437 00:26:55,734 --> 00:26:57,266 You could feel the rage. 438 00:26:57,333 --> 00:27:02,066 It was almost like it radiated out of his body and vibrated 439 00:27:02,066 --> 00:27:04,567 everything in the vicinity. -[pounding noises] 440 00:27:04,634 --> 00:27:07,767 -AS GARY: Open up! -It was extremely frightening. 441 00:27:07,767 --> 00:27:09,567 AS GARY: Lori! Lori! 442 00:27:09,567 --> 00:27:14,166 And they proceeded to tell me that Gary had been, um, 443 00:27:14,233 --> 00:27:15,934 molesting her. 444 00:27:17,266 --> 00:27:19,233 It had happened more than once. 445 00:27:20,266 --> 00:27:22,467 I opened the door, and I was livid. 446 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,166 If there was anything within my reach 447 00:27:29,233 --> 00:27:32,066 that would have caused him physical pain, 448 00:27:32,133 --> 00:27:33,734 I would have used it. 449 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,166 Everything that ever happened, 450 00:27:38,233 --> 00:27:42,100 every incident, every time he had put his hands 451 00:27:42,100 --> 00:27:43,266 around my throat, 452 00:27:43,266 --> 00:27:47,266 every time he threatened to harm my kids, 453 00:27:47,266 --> 00:27:50,567 that all came out in that moment. 454 00:27:50,567 --> 00:27:52,333 I could have killed him 455 00:27:53,700 --> 00:27:56,266 and never even thought a thing about it. 456 00:27:56,266 --> 00:27:59,166 I didn't know that was in me. 457 00:27:59,166 --> 00:28:02,166 We're leaving. 458 00:28:02,233 --> 00:28:07,867 I didn't know so much hurt and so much anger was built up that 459 00:28:07,934 --> 00:28:09,066 I had suppressed 460 00:28:09,133 --> 00:28:12,166 that for so long. 461 00:28:12,233 --> 00:28:16,166 I told my daughter that we have to go and speak to the police, 462 00:28:19,300 --> 00:28:21,367 and he said, "You gotta be smarter than the system." 463 00:28:21,367 --> 00:28:23,667 And I had looked at him, what are you talking about? 464 00:28:23,667 --> 00:28:25,066 You know, what is that supposed to mean? 465 00:28:25,066 --> 00:28:27,767 And it was just like, I know what I'm doing, 466 00:28:27,767 --> 00:28:29,667 and I'm gonna get away with what I'm doing. 467 00:28:33,667 --> 00:28:38,367 There was not enough evidence to charge him with what had 468 00:28:38,367 --> 00:28:39,967 been done. 469 00:28:40,033 --> 00:28:42,166 It was his word against her word. 470 00:28:53,567 --> 00:28:54,867 I spoke to the manager 471 00:28:54,867 --> 00:28:58,166 for some domestic violence association. 472 00:28:59,367 --> 00:29:01,266 I told 'em I don't have a job. 473 00:29:01,333 --> 00:29:04,667 I literally left today. I have no place to go. 474 00:29:04,734 --> 00:29:05,867 I have no furniture. 475 00:29:05,867 --> 00:29:08,367 I had two diaper bags and two suitcases, 476 00:29:08,433 --> 00:29:11,066 and she got me into the apartment. 477 00:29:12,367 --> 00:29:14,166 We had no beds. We had nothing. 478 00:29:14,233 --> 00:29:18,266 I actually was able to rent furniture. 479 00:29:18,333 --> 00:29:20,100 Somebody gave me a TV 480 00:29:20,100 --> 00:29:23,166 and, um, be able to set up the children's bedrooms to where 481 00:29:23,166 --> 00:29:24,467 they had a place to come. 482 00:29:24,467 --> 00:29:27,133 And, you know, that was their home and safe place. 483 00:29:36,100 --> 00:29:38,367 When I found the first device, 484 00:29:39,367 --> 00:29:41,266 it was almost in disbelief. 485 00:29:41,266 --> 00:29:43,467 There was a tape recorder that was 486 00:29:43,533 --> 00:29:46,634 screwed into the wood of the sofa, 487 00:29:49,266 --> 00:29:50,834 and it was rolling. 488 00:29:52,467 --> 00:29:54,033 He had bugged my apartment. 489 00:29:55,467 --> 00:29:58,867 I hit play to see what he could hear, and he could hear me 490 00:29:58,934 --> 00:29:59,867 speaking to my children. 491 00:29:59,867 --> 00:30:01,867 He could hear what was playing on the TV. 492 00:30:01,867 --> 00:30:04,867 It was just as clear as I am speaking to you. 493 00:30:04,867 --> 00:30:07,734 He could hear everything that went on in my living room. 494 00:30:10,500 --> 00:30:14,867 I literally started from one end of my apartment, from 495 00:30:14,867 --> 00:30:17,467 the ceiling to the floor, and I went through everything. 496 00:30:17,467 --> 00:30:19,767 I get into the kitchen. 497 00:30:19,767 --> 00:30:24,667 There is a -- a baby monitor on top of 498 00:30:24,734 --> 00:30:26,767 the China hutch. 499 00:30:26,767 --> 00:30:29,867 He was listening to the conversations that I would 500 00:30:29,867 --> 00:30:33,867 have either with my children or if I was on the phone. 501 00:30:33,867 --> 00:30:36,266 I get to my bedroom, I move my bed away from 502 00:30:36,266 --> 00:30:39,166 the wall, and there is a tape recorder screwed into 503 00:30:39,166 --> 00:30:40,467 the headboard of my bed. 504 00:30:42,367 --> 00:30:45,266 I was just sick and tired of being manipulated. 505 00:30:45,266 --> 00:30:47,100 I was sick and tired of being timid. 506 00:30:47,100 --> 00:30:49,867 I was sick and tired of being taken advantage of. 507 00:30:49,867 --> 00:30:53,100 I was sick and tired of him taking advantage of my kids, 508 00:30:53,100 --> 00:30:54,367 and it was going to stop, 509 00:30:54,367 --> 00:30:57,367 if I had to stop him myself. 510 00:30:57,367 --> 00:30:59,867 I opened the tape recorders, I pulled all the -- 511 00:30:59,934 --> 00:31:02,333 the cassettes out, and I cut them all up. 512 00:31:03,367 --> 00:31:05,133 I smashed everything. 513 00:31:18,567 --> 00:31:22,166 When I gave him the box, he was excited, 514 00:31:22,233 --> 00:31:25,066 like I was letting him in, like this was going to be some sort 515 00:31:25,133 --> 00:31:26,767 of social call or visit. 516 00:31:26,834 --> 00:31:32,467 And I remember him unwrapping that box, and his demeanor 517 00:31:32,467 --> 00:31:34,867 instantly changed, 518 00:31:37,967 --> 00:31:42,133 almost to the point to where you saw his eyes go black. 519 00:31:43,166 --> 00:31:47,166 It was absolutely terrifying. 520 00:31:47,233 --> 00:31:50,133 He looked in the box, and he looked up at me... 521 00:31:52,266 --> 00:31:53,767 and I turned the phone around and showed 522 00:31:53,834 --> 00:31:56,634 there was 911 right there, all I had to do was dial. 523 00:31:57,700 --> 00:32:00,767 I'm poking the bear. I'm daring you to do something. 524 00:32:02,367 --> 00:32:04,667 He says, "You know I would never hurt you. 525 00:32:04,734 --> 00:32:07,967 "I would hurt your children. 526 00:32:08,033 --> 00:32:09,266 I would hurt your girls." 527 00:32:09,266 --> 00:32:11,967 And I said, "You have." He said, "Oh no." 528 00:32:12,033 --> 00:32:18,367 He said, "I would hang them upside down by their ankles. 529 00:32:18,367 --> 00:32:21,066 "I would pass a blowtorch over their body 530 00:32:22,100 --> 00:32:24,567 "until their skin peeled. 531 00:32:24,634 --> 00:32:26,333 "I would pull their skin off, 532 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,266 "and I would rub salt on their body 533 00:32:29,333 --> 00:32:31,667 and do it all over again." 534 00:32:35,967 --> 00:32:38,567 I said, "Do you understand 535 00:32:38,567 --> 00:32:40,667 "those girls are a part of you? 536 00:32:40,734 --> 00:32:42,834 "You're talking about harming 537 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,100 your children?" 538 00:32:45,100 --> 00:32:47,367 His eyes glazed over. 539 00:32:47,367 --> 00:32:52,066 I'm telling you, it petrified me, and I am scared to 540 00:32:52,133 --> 00:32:55,367 the point to where I hear my heart beating. 541 00:32:55,367 --> 00:32:58,367 I break out in a sweat, 542 00:32:58,367 --> 00:33:00,367 but I closed the door and locked 543 00:33:00,367 --> 00:33:02,567 the door probably the fastest I've ever done it. 544 00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:06,266 My heart was racing so bad, 545 00:33:06,266 --> 00:33:10,066 but I will never forget how empowered I felt, 546 00:33:11,367 --> 00:33:13,767 but it wasn't over. 547 00:33:13,834 --> 00:33:15,367 He was no longer hiding. 548 00:33:15,367 --> 00:33:18,266 He was no longer trying to pretend. 549 00:33:18,333 --> 00:33:21,433 I wasn't going to be safe until either 550 00:33:23,066 --> 00:33:24,934 he was killed or put in prison. 551 00:33:26,867 --> 00:33:28,667 Hello, Lori. 552 00:33:28,734 --> 00:33:31,533 I guess it's time. I love you. 553 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,266 LORI: This is a picture 554 00:33:43,333 --> 00:33:48,567 of my four children with my brother, Timothy. 555 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,367 Timothy loved his nieces and nephews. 556 00:33:53,467 --> 00:33:57,667 In the summer of 1996, Timothy 557 00:33:57,734 --> 00:34:02,000 was 17 -- he had, uh, moved in with me for that summer 558 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,767 so he could tend to his nephew and nieces to help me out. 559 00:34:04,834 --> 00:34:07,467 He had no problem wrestling with him. 560 00:34:07,467 --> 00:34:10,533 He had no problem throwing a ball or playing dolls. 561 00:34:11,900 --> 00:34:17,166 Timothy was young, and I didn't realize that his relationship 562 00:34:17,166 --> 00:34:19,667 with Gary was still intact. 563 00:34:19,667 --> 00:34:22,867 I would never think in a million years he would end 564 00:34:22,867 --> 00:34:24,567 up in the place that he is now. 565 00:34:24,567 --> 00:34:28,333 He is paying the price for not telling Gary no. 566 00:34:36,467 --> 00:34:39,867 So it was late at night, and Timothy and I were night owls. 567 00:34:39,867 --> 00:34:41,567 So we would stay up, and we would watch 568 00:34:41,567 --> 00:34:44,567 a movie together or we would just sit around and talk 569 00:34:44,567 --> 00:34:46,467 or drink coffee, and it was late. 570 00:34:46,467 --> 00:34:48,367 It was probably 11, 11:30. 571 00:34:48,433 --> 00:34:50,367 I got a knock at the door. 572 00:34:50,433 --> 00:34:52,166 [knocking noises] 573 00:34:52,166 --> 00:34:54,367 And we looked at each other, because we were surprised, 574 00:34:54,367 --> 00:34:57,233 and Timothy goes and opens the door. 575 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,233 And it's Gary. 576 00:35:03,900 --> 00:35:07,066 I did not know that they still spoke. 577 00:35:07,066 --> 00:35:09,166 I did not know that they even had a relationship. 578 00:35:09,166 --> 00:35:11,166 Gary? 579 00:35:11,233 --> 00:35:15,100 I didn't tell Timothy about what Gary did to me, and I could tell 580 00:35:15,100 --> 00:35:17,567 that Timmy was surprised, because he said, 581 00:35:17,567 --> 00:35:19,767 "What are you doing here?" 582 00:35:19,767 --> 00:35:23,433 I saw Gary kind of motion him, and he steps outside. 583 00:35:27,667 --> 00:35:28,867 He comes back in. 584 00:35:28,867 --> 00:35:31,166 "Gary needs my help." 585 00:35:31,233 --> 00:35:33,667 I said, "You have no business with that man." 586 00:35:33,667 --> 00:35:35,266 -Hey. -LORI: And he walked over, 587 00:35:35,333 --> 00:35:36,967 he hugged me, kissed me, and he said, 588 00:35:37,033 --> 00:35:39,166 "Gary said I'll be back within the hour." 589 00:35:39,166 --> 00:35:43,133 I said, "No good comes from being out this late at night." 590 00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:50,867 Gary was a grown man, a professional at manipulating. 591 00:35:50,867 --> 00:35:54,166 You can't dance with the devil and expect to walk 592 00:35:54,166 --> 00:35:55,433 out unscathed. 593 00:36:06,066 --> 00:36:11,266 It was probably 3:30, 4:30, and I got a little concerned, 594 00:36:11,333 --> 00:36:13,567 and then I called Gary's house, 595 00:36:14,667 --> 00:36:17,066 because, you know, he was the last person that I knew 596 00:36:17,133 --> 00:36:18,533 Timothy was with. 597 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:21,767 [phone ringing] 598 00:36:21,767 --> 00:36:24,066 Gary had an answering machine, 599 00:36:24,133 --> 00:36:25,567 and I left a message. 600 00:36:25,634 --> 00:36:27,767 -[phone ringing] -[answering machine beeps] 601 00:36:27,767 --> 00:36:30,567 AS LORI: Gary, pick up the phone. 602 00:36:30,567 --> 00:36:33,166 LORI: And then I called Gary's home again. 603 00:36:33,166 --> 00:36:36,166 [phone ringing] 604 00:36:36,233 --> 00:36:39,567 -[answering machine beeps] -Gary, answer the phone. 605 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,767 LORI: I think there was a total of three phone calls. 606 00:36:43,767 --> 00:36:45,266 And then the third time, 607 00:36:45,266 --> 00:36:47,967 the answering machine didn't pick up. 608 00:36:48,033 --> 00:36:49,066 [phone ringing] 609 00:36:49,066 --> 00:36:51,767 The phone literally just rang and rang 610 00:36:51,767 --> 00:36:54,367 and rang. -[phone ringing] 611 00:36:54,367 --> 00:36:57,667 I literally just put the phone down, and I just let it ring. 612 00:36:57,734 --> 00:37:02,734 [phone ringing] 613 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,100 It was about ten after eight. 614 00:37:16,100 --> 00:37:19,767 Timothy walks through the door. He's not there. 615 00:37:19,834 --> 00:37:22,066 It's almost like he's checked out -- I said, "Timothy, 616 00:37:22,066 --> 00:37:24,367 I have got to go to work, I'm already late." 617 00:37:24,367 --> 00:37:26,867 And he'd just kind of nod. 618 00:37:28,467 --> 00:37:30,266 By the time I got home, 619 00:37:30,266 --> 00:37:32,567 the police were already in my apartment. 620 00:37:32,567 --> 00:37:36,367 One of the police officers says, um, "There was 621 00:37:36,433 --> 00:37:39,166 an incident in Moss Point," 622 00:37:39,166 --> 00:37:42,066 and I knew immediately it was at the house. 623 00:37:43,700 --> 00:37:47,867 I stop, and I think, oh, God, what has happened now? 624 00:37:47,867 --> 00:37:50,634 What has Gary done to my family now? 625 00:37:52,767 --> 00:37:54,467 I look at Timmy, 626 00:37:54,533 --> 00:37:57,767 and he said, "I had to do it. 627 00:37:57,767 --> 00:38:00,834 I had to help him, because he threatened you and the girls." 628 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,467 MAN: Authorities say Simmons shot Wolfe, cut up 629 00:38:15,467 --> 00:38:18,066 the body, and scattered it in a nearby bayou. 630 00:38:18,133 --> 00:38:21,567 Simmons also was accused of raping Wolfe's girlfriend 631 00:38:21,634 --> 00:38:23,734 and imprisoning her inside this box. 632 00:38:27,667 --> 00:38:31,634 From what I understand, it was a drug deal gone bad. 633 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,066 Jeffrey Wolfe had given Gary drugs to sell. 634 00:38:39,567 --> 00:38:43,166 Jeff came back to get the money that Gary owed him. 635 00:38:43,166 --> 00:38:45,100 Gary didn't have 636 00:38:45,100 --> 00:38:47,233 the money to give him, 637 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,667 and somebody shot him. 638 00:38:50,734 --> 00:38:53,767 I don't know if it was Timothy that shot him. 639 00:38:53,834 --> 00:38:56,333 I don't know if it was Gary that shot him. 640 00:38:57,500 --> 00:39:00,433 From the time that Jeff was murdered 641 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:06,166 and the time that Timothy was arrested, 642 00:39:06,166 --> 00:39:08,033 Jeff was dismembered. 643 00:39:15,467 --> 00:39:18,266 And then Timothy was arrested. 644 00:39:18,266 --> 00:39:20,867 Gary was on the run. 645 00:39:20,867 --> 00:39:24,266 That is still very hard for me to process. 646 00:39:24,266 --> 00:39:26,634 I mean, you are... 647 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,467 you are soulless -- I don't know. 648 00:39:31,533 --> 00:39:35,467 There are no reasons for anything so evil. 649 00:39:35,467 --> 00:39:37,533 It's no longer cruel. 650 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:39,867 That is downright, 651 00:39:39,867 --> 00:39:42,066 100 percent... 652 00:39:43,667 --> 00:39:44,834 evil. 653 00:40:11,867 --> 00:40:13,166 I was looking down 654 00:40:13,166 --> 00:40:14,567 when the gunshots went off, 655 00:40:14,567 --> 00:40:16,867 and when I looked up, 656 00:40:16,934 --> 00:40:18,734 Jeff fell. 657 00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:24,266 Gary took me in the other room, tied me up, 658 00:40:24,266 --> 00:40:26,166 and put me in the box. 659 00:40:27,467 --> 00:40:30,266 And I was locked in there. I just kept praying to God. 660 00:40:30,266 --> 00:40:32,533 I was telling him, you know, help me get out of here. 661 00:40:34,500 --> 00:40:36,166 You know, I didn't want to die. 662 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:43,867 I understand her feelings. I lived her feelings. 663 00:40:43,934 --> 00:40:45,266 I could have been the one that was killed. 664 00:40:45,266 --> 00:40:47,533 I could have been the one that was put in the box. 665 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,667 I can relate to the terror. 666 00:40:53,734 --> 00:40:55,367 I know what it's like to be tied up. 667 00:40:55,367 --> 00:41:00,066 I know what it's like not to know what's coming next, 668 00:41:00,066 --> 00:41:02,166 you know, not knowing if you are going to 669 00:41:02,166 --> 00:41:03,367 live or die. 670 00:41:03,367 --> 00:41:05,467 And although I was never put 671 00:41:05,467 --> 00:41:07,834 in the black box... 672 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:11,967 the house was my box. 673 00:41:14,767 --> 00:41:18,166 Gary would come in and, you know, take me out, 674 00:41:18,166 --> 00:41:20,066 and, uh... 675 00:41:21,767 --> 00:41:24,667 I was basically told how well I performed sexually 676 00:41:24,734 --> 00:41:27,166 determined if I lived or if I died basically. 677 00:41:29,066 --> 00:41:31,567 And then he raped me. 678 00:41:31,567 --> 00:41:33,367 LORI: The moment that he laid eyes on her, 679 00:41:33,367 --> 00:41:35,467 he knew exactly what he was going to do to her. 680 00:41:35,533 --> 00:41:38,767 She was almost the reason the box was created, 681 00:41:38,767 --> 00:41:40,133 the box was made. 682 00:41:42,166 --> 00:41:44,567 She didn't know what made him tick. 683 00:41:44,567 --> 00:41:47,867 She didn't know what he was searching for. 684 00:41:47,867 --> 00:41:50,166 She knew that he was a monster. 685 00:41:50,166 --> 00:41:52,667 She knew that he killed her boyfriend. 686 00:41:52,734 --> 00:41:55,567 She knew that if she didn't do what she was told, she was next. 687 00:42:05,900 --> 00:42:07,533 I fell asleep in the box. 688 00:42:08,266 --> 00:42:11,867 And when I woke up, I heard the phone ringing, 689 00:42:11,867 --> 00:42:15,266 and it went to voicemail. 690 00:42:15,333 --> 00:42:18,867 And I was thinking in my mind, I was like, um, 691 00:42:18,867 --> 00:42:21,533 if you're ever gonna get out of here, now's the time. 692 00:42:22,700 --> 00:42:24,967 [phone ringing] 693 00:42:25,033 --> 00:42:27,166 LORI: Whether she knows this or not... 694 00:42:27,166 --> 00:42:29,166 [answering machine beeps] 695 00:42:29,233 --> 00:42:31,533 ...the phone ringing that she heard... 696 00:42:33,367 --> 00:42:35,066 the day that she escaped... 697 00:42:36,767 --> 00:42:38,066 was me calling. 698 00:42:43,467 --> 00:42:44,934 I would love to... 699 00:42:46,767 --> 00:42:48,567 look her in the eyes 700 00:42:48,567 --> 00:42:51,634 and commend her for her courage, 701 00:42:52,567 --> 00:42:55,266 and I know that probably means nothing because I mean 702 00:42:55,266 --> 00:42:59,567 nothing to her, I'm nothing to her, but I understand her. 703 00:43:10,567 --> 00:43:13,367 BROOK: I was very anxious, and I was very nervous 704 00:43:13,367 --> 00:43:15,934 on my way over here for this interview. 705 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,967 You know, I deal with PTSD, so I have flashbacks. 706 00:43:20,033 --> 00:43:21,166 I have nightmares. 707 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:27,467 I am here today to get closure. 708 00:43:27,467 --> 00:43:29,567 Mm. 709 00:43:30,867 --> 00:43:34,934 For so long, I ran from this, and I ran from 710 00:43:36,266 --> 00:43:39,166 people that I thought were gonna come and hurt me, 711 00:43:39,166 --> 00:43:42,367 because I put their dad in prison. 712 00:43:48,700 --> 00:43:50,967 You know how many years of my life I lost 713 00:43:50,967 --> 00:43:55,066 running from this, hiding from this, doing drugs 714 00:43:55,133 --> 00:43:57,266 or substances or -- or whatever to make 715 00:43:57,266 --> 00:43:58,533 the pain go away? 716 00:44:00,667 --> 00:44:02,233 I lost myself. 717 00:44:13,100 --> 00:44:15,667 Jeff and I had just met -- we were still in 718 00:44:15,734 --> 00:44:18,567 the honeymoon phase of our relationship where everything 719 00:44:18,567 --> 00:44:20,233 was perfect. 720 00:44:21,467 --> 00:44:23,100 I think about him a lot, 721 00:44:23,100 --> 00:44:25,066 like every day. 722 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,934 I just think about, you know, 723 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,767 what our life would have been like if Mississippi 724 00:44:33,834 --> 00:44:35,133 wouldn't have happened. 725 00:44:38,667 --> 00:44:40,467 I'm looking at a picture of Jeff. 726 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,266 The last memories I have of him 727 00:44:48,266 --> 00:44:50,433 are being shot and falling to the ground. 728 00:44:51,500 --> 00:44:53,367 He was so young 729 00:44:53,367 --> 00:44:57,667 and beautiful and smart and funny 730 00:44:57,734 --> 00:45:01,066 and I just feel like 731 00:45:01,066 --> 00:45:04,934 I was put there on purpose 732 00:45:06,166 --> 00:45:08,066 so that they didn't get away with it. 733 00:45:20,166 --> 00:45:25,166 Back in 1996, I was 18 years old. 734 00:45:25,233 --> 00:45:28,767 I was probably about 100 pounds soaking wet. 735 00:45:28,767 --> 00:45:31,000 I was tiny. 736 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,767 I had long, bleached blonde hair. 737 00:45:34,834 --> 00:45:36,467 I was just normal. 738 00:45:39,266 --> 00:45:42,266 We drove to Gary's house, which is in the country. 739 00:45:43,367 --> 00:45:45,066 It was dark, real dark. 740 00:45:45,066 --> 00:45:47,967 And we pull up, and there's not a porch light on. 741 00:45:48,033 --> 00:45:50,066 So that kind of was like, why don't he have 742 00:45:50,066 --> 00:45:52,233 the porch light on, you know, he knows we're coming. 743 00:45:53,767 --> 00:45:55,467 We walked in the house, and Gary was 744 00:45:55,467 --> 00:45:57,867 standing behind the bar, and Jeff was standing 745 00:45:57,934 --> 00:45:59,567 right here, and he was asking if we want anything to drink, 746 00:45:59,567 --> 00:46:00,767 blah, da, da, da, da. 747 00:46:00,767 --> 00:46:02,367 -You get in all right, man? -Yeah, yeah. 748 00:46:02,367 --> 00:46:04,166 BROOK: And you didn't even feel no hostility. 749 00:46:04,166 --> 00:46:08,066 There was nothing, nothing -- they're just talking. 750 00:46:08,066 --> 00:46:10,266 AS GARY: You know, actually I got a surprise for you. 751 00:46:10,266 --> 00:46:11,867 I'm really not paying attention 752 00:46:11,867 --> 00:46:13,867 to what they're saying, because that's their business. 753 00:46:13,934 --> 00:46:17,166 So I just stayed out of it. 754 00:46:17,166 --> 00:46:19,667 And, uh, that's when I heard the gunshots. 755 00:46:19,667 --> 00:46:21,467 [gunshot blasts] 756 00:46:21,533 --> 00:46:25,834 I seen Jeffrey's chest blow out all over the blinds, 757 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,166 and then he fell, 758 00:46:29,166 --> 00:46:31,467 and Timothy Milano was standing right there with 759 00:46:31,467 --> 00:46:32,967 a gun in his hands, 760 00:46:32,967 --> 00:46:36,066 and we didn't even know he was in the house. 761 00:46:36,133 --> 00:46:38,133 I was like, oh, [bleep] I'm gonna die. 762 00:46:43,767 --> 00:46:47,233 That's Timothy. Much older. 763 00:46:47,300 --> 00:46:49,634 Much older. 764 00:46:52,166 --> 00:46:53,533 He's in his forties now. 765 00:46:53,533 --> 00:46:56,333 Such a long time have gone by and, 766 00:46:56,333 --> 00:46:58,600 you know, he was a boy when he went in. 767 00:47:03,166 --> 00:47:04,333 And it's sad. 768 00:47:05,834 --> 00:47:09,233 I'm able some time to speak with him on the phone, but 769 00:47:09,233 --> 00:47:12,333 the last time I laid my eyes on him was outside my apartment 770 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:13,834 when he was being taken away. 771 00:47:13,900 --> 00:47:16,767 I don't know if it was Timothy that shot him. 772 00:47:16,767 --> 00:47:20,834 I don't know if it was Gary that shot him -- Jeff was just shot. 773 00:47:22,100 --> 00:47:25,033 I find that hard to believe 774 00:47:25,033 --> 00:47:27,900 that he played a part in that. 775 00:47:41,233 --> 00:47:43,266 Jeff's directly in front of me 776 00:47:43,266 --> 00:47:44,667 just like you are right now. 777 00:47:44,667 --> 00:47:46,934 But there's a table in between us. 778 00:47:46,934 --> 00:47:50,533 I was looking down when the gunshots went off, 779 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,567 and when I looked up, 780 00:47:52,567 --> 00:47:54,433 Jeff fell... 781 00:47:57,934 --> 00:48:00,667 and Timothy Milano was standing behind him with the gun. 782 00:48:06,333 --> 00:48:08,567 That is something very hard to hear, 783 00:48:08,567 --> 00:48:10,233 you know, 784 00:48:10,300 --> 00:48:12,967 I've already had one cold-blooded killer in my life. 785 00:48:12,967 --> 00:48:14,900 Do I actually need two? 786 00:48:16,033 --> 00:48:17,667 I think the situation that Timothy 787 00:48:17,734 --> 00:48:21,100 was in, he was in because of the threats 788 00:48:21,100 --> 00:48:22,467 that Gary made to him. 789 00:48:22,467 --> 00:48:25,834 Gary had basically threatened him. 790 00:48:25,834 --> 00:48:28,433 "You will do what I tell you, or I'll kill your sister, 791 00:48:28,500 --> 00:48:31,634 or I'll kill your nieces," and he never thought twice about it. 792 00:48:33,367 --> 00:48:36,433 He was willing to sacrifice his life in order to save mine 793 00:48:36,433 --> 00:48:37,834 and my children's. 794 00:48:43,533 --> 00:48:46,634 BROOK: They shot him, and I'm freaked out. 795 00:48:49,066 --> 00:48:50,734 I was so scared. 796 00:48:50,734 --> 00:48:54,333 I thought for sure that Timothy was gonna shoot me. 797 00:48:56,433 --> 00:48:59,433 And then Gary came over and grabbed me in a bear hug. 798 00:48:59,433 --> 00:49:02,033 [echoing shouts] 799 00:49:02,033 --> 00:49:05,734 Then he, uh, hog-tied me, and he gagged me, 800 00:49:05,734 --> 00:49:07,033 and he locked me in that box. 801 00:49:11,367 --> 00:49:13,834 It was the scariest moment of my life. 802 00:49:16,133 --> 00:49:17,400 I didn't know 803 00:49:18,667 --> 00:49:20,433 what they were gonna do to me. 804 00:49:22,567 --> 00:49:25,000 I didn't think I was getting out of that box. 805 00:49:26,266 --> 00:49:29,333 It was dark, and you're just sitting there alone 806 00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,433 with your own thoughts and fears 807 00:49:31,500 --> 00:49:34,433 and just prayin' 808 00:49:36,033 --> 00:49:37,533 for a way out. 809 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,233 And that's when Gary came around. 810 00:49:41,300 --> 00:49:45,333 He took me out, and that's when he raped me. 811 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,100 And, um... 812 00:49:51,967 --> 00:49:53,200 And, uh... 813 00:49:54,734 --> 00:49:57,367 I fell asleep in the box, I was in there so long. 814 00:49:57,367 --> 00:49:58,734 [phone ringing] 815 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,567 The phone is what woke me up. 816 00:50:00,567 --> 00:50:02,934 [phone ringing] 817 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:04,667 I heard the answering machine come on... 818 00:50:04,667 --> 00:50:06,567 [answering machine beeps] 819 00:50:06,567 --> 00:50:08,300 ...and I knew nobody's there. 820 00:50:11,533 --> 00:50:13,433 And I had already gotten out of the knots, 821 00:50:13,433 --> 00:50:17,367 and I could get on my knees and put my back 822 00:50:17,367 --> 00:50:19,066 on the lid of the box, 823 00:50:19,066 --> 00:50:23,133 and I could use my legs as force to push. 824 00:50:23,133 --> 00:50:26,433 So I -- I just kept pushing on it 825 00:50:26,433 --> 00:50:29,200 and pushing on it, and it broke. 826 00:50:32,266 --> 00:50:34,533 And I grabbed the butcher knife off the table, 827 00:50:37,367 --> 00:50:39,667 because if they were coming in when I was going out, 828 00:50:39,734 --> 00:50:40,934 I was gonna gut them... 829 00:50:42,166 --> 00:50:43,600 period. 830 00:50:47,066 --> 00:50:49,533 But I would have crossed that line, because they weren't gonna 831 00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,533 kill me -- I was not dying that day. 832 00:51:03,333 --> 00:51:06,834 LORI: The police tell me that there is a massive manhunt. 833 00:51:06,834 --> 00:51:08,433 When all of this happened, 834 00:51:08,500 --> 00:51:10,567 they had Timothy, but they didn't have Gary. 835 00:51:10,567 --> 00:51:12,233 Gary was loose. 836 00:51:12,300 --> 00:51:14,667 Based on what I had learned that he had done 837 00:51:14,667 --> 00:51:16,433 to Jeffrey and Brook, 838 00:51:16,433 --> 00:51:18,934 I don't think he would have had any reservation killing me. 839 00:51:18,934 --> 00:51:22,100 You know, he was losing grip over reality. 840 00:51:22,100 --> 00:51:24,667 The monster was coming out of the cage 841 00:51:24,667 --> 00:51:26,400 that it had been locked away in. 842 00:51:32,433 --> 00:51:34,533 And then I get a package at work, 843 00:51:34,533 --> 00:51:38,300 and I open the box, and it's a VHS tape. 844 00:51:40,166 --> 00:51:43,567 I remember putting in the tape and sitting in 845 00:51:43,567 --> 00:51:46,467 a chair and literally taking a deep breath, 846 00:51:46,467 --> 00:51:48,333 because I did not know what was on the tape. 847 00:51:48,333 --> 00:51:51,300 I didn't know what to expect, and I watched the tape. 848 00:51:54,767 --> 00:51:56,033 Hello, Lori. 849 00:51:56,033 --> 00:51:58,233 -LORI: It was Gary. -GARY: How you doing today? 850 00:51:58,300 --> 00:51:59,567 LORI: He was calm. 851 00:51:59,567 --> 00:52:01,667 I guess it's a real mess, isn't it? 852 00:52:01,667 --> 00:52:05,066 To my way of thinking, I didn't have much of a choice. 853 00:52:06,967 --> 00:52:08,634 I mean, I'd already taken his money. 854 00:52:09,667 --> 00:52:11,033 There was no excuses. 855 00:52:11,033 --> 00:52:13,133 There's never been an excuse for any of 856 00:52:13,133 --> 00:52:15,567 the things that I've done. 857 00:52:15,567 --> 00:52:17,166 There's never been any excuses for 858 00:52:17,166 --> 00:52:18,567 the way I've treated you. 859 00:52:18,567 --> 00:52:19,800 I love you. 860 00:52:21,433 --> 00:52:22,667 I know that for a fact. 861 00:52:24,467 --> 00:52:26,934 I waited a long time 862 00:52:26,934 --> 00:52:28,266 to find somebody like you, 863 00:52:28,266 --> 00:52:30,600 and for a long time 864 00:52:31,667 --> 00:52:32,900 you held me together. 865 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,233 You held me up. 866 00:52:40,467 --> 00:52:42,834 I really don't think it had anything to do with you, 867 00:52:43,834 --> 00:52:46,100 unless it's just the absence, 868 00:52:47,166 --> 00:52:48,333 you not being there. 869 00:52:53,667 --> 00:52:55,300 You never realize 870 00:52:57,166 --> 00:52:59,033 how close you are to the edge 871 00:53:00,967 --> 00:53:02,800 until you actually step over it. 872 00:53:04,567 --> 00:53:06,066 Then the fall is like nothing that 873 00:53:06,066 --> 00:53:07,333 you've ever felt before. 874 00:53:11,266 --> 00:53:12,867 The edge I believe 875 00:53:12,867 --> 00:53:15,333 that Gary's talking about there is, you know, 876 00:53:15,333 --> 00:53:17,233 with all of the dark secrets that he 877 00:53:17,233 --> 00:53:20,033 wrote about, with all of the dark fantasies that he -- 878 00:53:20,033 --> 00:53:21,934 he would fantasize about. 879 00:53:21,934 --> 00:53:25,834 I think his ultimate fantasy was murder. 880 00:53:25,834 --> 00:53:29,333 His ultimate fantasy was 881 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,133 being so powerful that he took somebody's life. 882 00:53:32,133 --> 00:53:34,166 I guess it's time. 883 00:53:34,166 --> 00:53:36,667 But in the end, it wasn't what he thought 884 00:53:36,734 --> 00:53:38,734 it was going to be. -I love you. 885 00:53:43,266 --> 00:53:46,734 He should have learned to be satisfied with 886 00:53:46,734 --> 00:53:51,500 the purity of just love instead of 887 00:53:52,433 --> 00:53:55,500 feeding the beast, instead of feeding the monster. 888 00:53:57,266 --> 00:54:01,333 When they arrested Gary, he was a few blocks from my office. 889 00:54:16,467 --> 00:54:20,233 If Brook did not escape, Gary would have killed her. 890 00:54:20,300 --> 00:54:23,233 Brook is the hero of this story. 891 00:54:23,300 --> 00:54:25,433 She is the reason that it ended. 892 00:54:25,433 --> 00:54:27,767 She is the reason that he was caught. 893 00:54:27,767 --> 00:54:31,433 She is the reason that he was stopped. 894 00:54:33,433 --> 00:54:34,634 Mm. 895 00:54:39,066 --> 00:54:40,233 Yeah. 896 00:54:42,266 --> 00:54:43,867 He haunts my dreams. 897 00:54:43,867 --> 00:54:46,133 There's evil right there. 898 00:54:48,367 --> 00:54:51,867 When I look at him, I see a rapist, I see a murderer, 899 00:54:51,867 --> 00:54:54,667 I see a sexual deviant. 900 00:54:55,767 --> 00:54:59,100 The state of Mississippi called me and told me that he was -- 901 00:54:59,100 --> 00:55:00,667 exhausted all his appeals 902 00:55:00,667 --> 00:55:03,667 and that they had a final execution date, 903 00:55:03,734 --> 00:55:05,934 and I had already seen Jeff die. 904 00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,767 I didn't want to see another person die. 905 00:55:08,767 --> 00:55:10,834 So I just decided against it. 906 00:55:28,567 --> 00:55:31,100 I thought I had destroyed his family. 907 00:55:31,100 --> 00:55:34,033 My testimony put him in prison. 908 00:55:34,033 --> 00:55:36,934 I thought his children were gonna grow up and want to take 909 00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,033 revenge on the girl that put their dad away. 910 00:55:40,033 --> 00:55:41,934 I thought that, you know, 911 00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:46,433 maybe Gary and Lori were high school sweethearts, and I just 912 00:55:46,433 --> 00:55:48,333 ruined their perfect marriage. 913 00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,934 I was terrified of Gary's family. 914 00:55:54,567 --> 00:55:58,000 I was running and hiding, changing my hair, 915 00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,567 changing my -- changing, changing, always changing, 916 00:56:01,567 --> 00:56:03,834 maybe thinking that I wouldn't look 917 00:56:03,834 --> 00:56:07,333 the same, that they -- they couldn't find me, 918 00:56:07,333 --> 00:56:09,166 because now, I don't just have me 919 00:56:09,166 --> 00:56:10,734 to worry about, I have my children, 920 00:56:10,734 --> 00:56:14,834 and -- and that's scary, because... 921 00:56:14,900 --> 00:56:17,567 if they get to my kids, 922 00:56:17,567 --> 00:56:19,667 it's a wrap. 923 00:56:26,233 --> 00:56:28,100 I think I was more in shock 924 00:56:28,100 --> 00:56:32,433 when y'all told me that, um, Miss Lori wanted to speak 925 00:56:32,500 --> 00:56:34,767 with me -- I don't really understand that. 926 00:56:34,767 --> 00:56:36,834 I wouldn't want to talk to somebody 927 00:56:36,834 --> 00:56:40,066 that my husband brutalized 928 00:56:40,066 --> 00:56:42,433 and hurt 929 00:56:44,367 --> 00:56:47,233 and that put my husband away. 930 00:56:49,166 --> 00:56:52,533 I was 18 years old. I am 45 now. 931 00:56:52,533 --> 00:56:56,333 I'm tired of running, tired of being afraid. 932 00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,233 I'm tired of 933 00:56:58,300 --> 00:57:00,934 the aftermath of 934 00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:02,333 trauma. 935 00:57:02,333 --> 00:57:05,333 I wanna heal. I want my power back. 936 00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,734 I wanna know. Are you gonna hurt me? 937 00:57:07,734 --> 00:57:09,233 Are you gonna come after me? 938 00:57:09,233 --> 00:57:12,233 You know, does -- does the family hate me? 939 00:57:12,300 --> 00:57:16,000 I do not have a clue what to expect from Miss Lori. 940 00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,467 I'm gonna be blindsided by something, and I just don't know 941 00:57:19,467 --> 00:57:24,000 what it is, and, um, I'm a nervous wreck about it. 942 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,567 Maybe I would ask her if there were any warning signs, 943 00:57:27,567 --> 00:57:29,734 you know, was he sick and twisted? 944 00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,033 Like how dark was he? I wanna know. 945 00:57:32,033 --> 00:57:34,066 I mean, did he hurt you? 946 00:57:34,066 --> 00:57:36,667 Did he beat you? Did he terrorize you? 947 00:57:36,667 --> 00:57:38,667 Did he hurt -- did he rape you? 948 00:57:38,667 --> 00:57:43,533 There had to be some sign somewhere that he was a sicko. 949 00:57:43,533 --> 00:57:45,333 There had to be. 950 00:57:56,367 --> 00:57:59,367 PRODUCER: So I have some clips from Lori's interview. 951 00:57:59,367 --> 00:58:01,934 Would you wanna see the first one? 952 00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:03,433 Okay. 953 00:58:19,100 --> 00:58:21,533 You're given a timeframe to heal after you 954 00:58:21,533 --> 00:58:23,233 give birth to a baby, you know, 955 00:58:23,300 --> 00:58:26,166 and Gary didn't want to wait that time. 956 00:58:26,166 --> 00:58:28,266 He said, "That's not gonna happen." 957 00:58:28,266 --> 00:58:31,166 That evening, he forced himself on me. 958 00:58:31,166 --> 00:58:34,533 -PRODUCER: Did Gary rape you? -Yes. Yes, Gary did. 959 00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,734 That was the very first time Gary raped me. 960 00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:42,033 I hate that somebody had to be murdered. 961 00:58:42,033 --> 00:58:45,634 I hate that somebody had to be 962 00:58:45,634 --> 00:58:48,634 traumatized and tortured. 963 00:58:48,634 --> 00:58:50,734 It could have all been prevented. 964 00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:54,634 She could have stopped him. 965 00:58:57,367 --> 00:58:59,634 And she didn't. 966 00:59:10,433 --> 00:59:16,033 Wow. 967 00:59:16,033 --> 00:59:18,066 PRODUCER: Do you empathize with Lori? 968 00:59:19,100 --> 00:59:20,734 -No. -Why? 969 00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,934 Because I would have put that [bleep] away then. 970 00:59:26,567 --> 00:59:30,066 And I wouldn't have stopped until he was behind bars. 971 00:59:31,767 --> 00:59:34,533 I'm hoping that it is a whole bigger picture and it 972 00:59:34,533 --> 00:59:36,634 comes all together tomorrow, because right now I'm 973 00:59:36,634 --> 00:59:39,433 just angry, and I know there's a lot more that I haven't 974 00:59:39,500 --> 00:59:42,700 seen yet, so I'm trying not to be too judgmental, but... 975 00:59:43,667 --> 00:59:45,300 that's hard right now. 976 00:59:48,467 --> 00:59:49,634 Okay. 977 00:59:49,634 --> 00:59:50,834 Gary... 978 00:59:52,233 --> 00:59:53,967 had an incredible imagination. 979 00:59:53,967 --> 00:59:56,000 He wrote, 980 00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,934 uh, stories 981 00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,934 about sex slaves. 982 01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:06,533 He wrote stories about owning women, 983 01:00:06,533 --> 01:00:09,533 pouring wax on somebody, burning somebody, 984 01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:13,734 cutting somebody, sticking somebody in a box. 985 01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,533 And I said, "Well, that's -- that's not love. 986 01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,367 You know, that's -- that's torture." 987 01:00:18,367 --> 01:00:21,634 He tried to bring them to life with me. 988 01:00:26,100 --> 01:00:27,333 She knew 989 01:00:29,567 --> 01:00:31,000 the whole time. 990 01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,200 Why didn't you do anything about it? 991 01:00:38,634 --> 01:00:40,433 Why didn't you warn people? 992 01:00:45,567 --> 01:00:47,433 [exhales heavily] 993 01:00:47,433 --> 01:00:49,166 That makes me angry. 994 01:00:49,166 --> 01:00:51,834 I just, like, blindsided right now. 995 01:00:54,734 --> 01:00:57,634 I knew he was a monster, and it only took one 996 01:00:57,634 --> 01:00:59,233 night for me to figure that out. 997 01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,233 They had multiple red flags 998 01:01:05,266 --> 01:01:07,000 and multiple chances 999 01:01:08,266 --> 01:01:11,033 to stop him, and they didn't. 1000 01:01:11,033 --> 01:01:14,333 So far, what I see is all of that with Jeff and me could have 1001 01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,634 been prevented 1002 01:01:16,634 --> 01:01:19,400 if somebody would have just took a stand against him. 1003 01:01:26,667 --> 01:01:28,834 I don't think I want to do this no more. 1004 01:01:35,033 --> 01:01:38,133 Okay. I need to get some air. 1005 01:01:38,133 --> 01:01:42,500 [exhales heavily] Wow. Wow. 1006 01:01:48,934 --> 01:01:50,634 The signs were all there. 1007 01:01:50,700 --> 01:01:54,033 It's like the makings of a serial killer. 1008 01:01:54,033 --> 01:01:56,000 [exhales heavily] 1009 01:02:10,166 --> 01:02:13,233 My mind is going 9,000 miles an hour right now. 1010 01:02:18,100 --> 01:02:19,333 Mm. 1011 01:02:22,233 --> 01:02:24,834 I fell asleep in the box. 1012 01:02:24,900 --> 01:02:28,133 And when I woke up, I heard the phone ringing, 1013 01:02:28,133 --> 01:02:30,500 and it went to voicemail, 1014 01:02:31,667 --> 01:02:35,233 and I was thinking in my mind, I was like, um, 1015 01:02:35,300 --> 01:02:38,000 if you're ever gonna get out of here, now's the time. 1016 01:02:39,100 --> 01:02:40,734 The answering machine picked up, 1017 01:02:40,734 --> 01:02:42,767 and I left a message the third time that I called. 1018 01:02:42,767 --> 01:02:45,533 I literally -- the phone started ringing. 1019 01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:47,333 I set the phone down and let it ring. 1020 01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:49,367 -It was her calling? -LORI: My phone is ringing. 1021 01:02:49,367 --> 01:02:53,734 Brook is fighting for her life trying to get out of that box. 1022 01:02:53,734 --> 01:02:55,433 And the only way that Brook knew 1023 01:02:55,433 --> 01:02:57,634 that there was nobody in the house was because 1024 01:02:57,634 --> 01:02:59,100 the phone kept ringing. 1025 01:02:59,100 --> 01:03:01,734 -I presented her with... -An opportunity. 1026 01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:03,834 ...with an opportunity to free herself. 1027 01:03:06,367 --> 01:03:08,033 It was up to her to do it. 1028 01:03:10,667 --> 01:03:14,000 Not knowing that I was helping her. 1029 01:03:21,066 --> 01:03:23,233 Wow. 1030 01:03:28,834 --> 01:03:31,934 That's a divine intervention if I've ever seen one. 1031 01:03:37,467 --> 01:03:39,600 That phone call's the one that saved my life. 1032 01:03:40,634 --> 01:03:42,700 I'll be forever grateful to her. 1033 01:03:45,166 --> 01:03:49,333 [exhales heavily] Wow. 1034 01:03:54,367 --> 01:03:56,734 I asked for clarity. I'm getting it. 1035 01:04:00,567 --> 01:04:01,734 PRODUCER: What do you see in that picture? 1036 01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:03,400 Is that the box? 1037 01:04:05,667 --> 01:04:09,433 That turned my stomach, I mean, just, it made me shudder. 1038 01:04:09,433 --> 01:04:11,934 I know that that box 1039 01:04:13,100 --> 01:04:14,834 could have been a tomb for Brook. 1040 01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:19,567 I admire Brook. 1041 01:04:19,567 --> 01:04:23,066 She is an amazing young woman. 1042 01:04:23,066 --> 01:04:25,934 I know the terror 1043 01:04:28,166 --> 01:04:29,467 I faced with him. 1044 01:04:29,467 --> 01:04:32,767 Brook is the hero of this story. 1045 01:04:32,767 --> 01:04:34,934 She is the reason that it ended. 1046 01:04:34,934 --> 01:04:36,233 She is the reason 1047 01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,066 that he was caught -- she is the reason 1048 01:04:40,066 --> 01:04:42,734 that he was stopped. 1049 01:04:51,767 --> 01:04:54,333 [breathes shakily] 1050 01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,667 [exhales heavily] 1051 01:04:56,667 --> 01:04:58,834 Wow. 1052 01:05:00,467 --> 01:05:02,533 I was a scared little girl... 1053 01:05:05,166 --> 01:05:06,800 who just did the right thing. 1054 01:05:08,133 --> 01:05:09,166 I'm not a hero. 1055 01:05:09,166 --> 01:05:11,066 I'm a [bleep] up. 1056 01:05:12,667 --> 01:05:14,667 All these years, I thought that lady was gonna 1057 01:05:14,667 --> 01:05:18,367 come after me because she was a "love her man" kinda gal. 1058 01:05:18,367 --> 01:05:20,634 Boy, 1059 01:05:20,634 --> 01:05:22,634 my perception was kinda wrong, huh? 1060 01:05:22,700 --> 01:05:24,834 Hoo. 1061 01:05:26,266 --> 01:05:28,200 Wow. 1062 01:05:29,133 --> 01:05:32,100 I think I'm fixing to learn some more things. 1063 01:05:38,867 --> 01:05:40,634 That's Timothy Milano's mug shot. 1064 01:05:40,634 --> 01:05:44,000 I don't feel sorry for him one ounce. 1065 01:05:45,734 --> 01:05:47,100 At any given moment, 1066 01:05:47,100 --> 01:05:48,867 he could have stood up and said no, 1067 01:05:48,867 --> 01:05:52,734 but he was a coward, and he let somebody 1068 01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:55,734 influence him to murder Jeff. 1069 01:05:56,867 --> 01:05:58,233 He belongs in hell. 1070 01:05:59,767 --> 01:06:02,333 They should have executed him right along with Gary. 1071 01:06:26,367 --> 01:06:29,533 I got butterflies in my stomach. I'm nervous. 1072 01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:32,533 Uh, my palms are sweating, my hands, my feet -- 1073 01:06:32,533 --> 01:06:33,867 there's both sweating. 1074 01:06:33,867 --> 01:06:37,867 Um, it's hard to breathe a little bit. 1075 01:06:37,867 --> 01:06:40,000 I'm just nervous. I'm a nervous wreck. 1076 01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,367 I heard some of her story yesterday, and I'm just shocked 1077 01:06:44,367 --> 01:06:45,967 with everything. 1078 01:06:45,967 --> 01:06:49,367 It -- it's... 1079 01:06:49,367 --> 01:06:52,634 it's some -- it's just a lot of emotions, happy, sad, 1080 01:06:52,700 --> 01:06:54,233 scared, mad. 1081 01:06:54,300 --> 01:06:58,166 Um, it's a lot, it's a lot to take in right now. 1082 01:07:09,166 --> 01:07:11,166 She doesn't owe me anything, 1083 01:07:13,367 --> 01:07:15,233 but I owe her everything. 1084 01:07:19,533 --> 01:07:24,033 I felt guilty -- I think the guilt that I felt was 1085 01:07:24,033 --> 01:07:27,767 when it's -- when it started affecting 1086 01:07:27,767 --> 01:07:30,233 other people other than me, like Brook. 1087 01:07:30,233 --> 01:07:34,066 She has every right to be angry. 1088 01:07:34,066 --> 01:07:35,867 I'm nervous to meet her. 1089 01:07:35,867 --> 01:07:40,834 I have no idea if Brook knows if Timmy is my brother or not. 1090 01:07:42,266 --> 01:07:44,734 I need to look her in the eyes 1091 01:07:49,166 --> 01:07:51,734 so she knows 1092 01:07:51,734 --> 01:07:53,400 Brook is my hero. 1093 01:07:55,266 --> 01:07:57,533 [doorbell rings] 1094 01:08:05,166 --> 01:08:07,000 -Hi, Brook? -Hi. 1095 01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:08,967 -Hi, I'm Lori. -I'm Brook. 1096 01:08:08,967 --> 01:08:10,467 -Can I hug you? -Sure. 1097 01:08:10,467 --> 01:08:12,533 It's very nice to meet you finally. 1098 01:08:14,066 --> 01:08:15,834 Oh goodness. 1099 01:08:15,900 --> 01:08:18,634 -This is so crazy. -It's crazy. 1100 01:08:20,266 --> 01:08:21,567 Oh. 1101 01:08:21,567 --> 01:08:23,834 It's so nice to finally meet you. 1102 01:08:24,634 --> 01:08:27,000 -Do you wanna come in? Okay. -Sure. Sure. 1103 01:08:35,166 --> 01:08:38,333 I am so glad that you're sitting here right now. 1104 01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:40,166 Mm-hmm. 1105 01:08:40,166 --> 01:08:44,467 Because people don't understand. They don't understand trauma. 1106 01:08:44,467 --> 01:08:45,567 Nope. 1107 01:08:45,567 --> 01:08:47,333 -Not like this. -No. 1108 01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:48,834 -They don't understand. -They don't. 1109 01:08:48,900 --> 01:08:50,233 They're just like, "Oh, well, get over it." 1110 01:08:50,233 --> 01:08:52,367 How do you get over something like that? 1111 01:08:52,367 --> 01:08:54,233 -You don't. -You don't ever. 1112 01:08:54,300 --> 01:08:57,767 It haunts your dreams, your days, the flashbacks, 1113 01:08:57,767 --> 01:08:59,667 the blood, the -- 1114 01:08:59,667 --> 01:09:02,400 they don't get it. -No. 1115 01:09:03,266 --> 01:09:06,433 The things that you experienced, 1116 01:09:06,500 --> 01:09:07,634 I understand. 1117 01:09:11,233 --> 01:09:14,900 In your marriage to Mr. Gary Simmons, 1118 01:09:16,100 --> 01:09:18,166 do you think that you saw 1119 01:09:19,266 --> 01:09:21,233 his disease progress 1120 01:09:21,300 --> 01:09:23,100 and progressing? 1121 01:09:23,100 --> 01:09:28,767 Like his sickness, his stories, did they get sicker? 1122 01:09:28,767 --> 01:09:31,000 I would see glimpses of it. 1123 01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:34,767 Gary never drank or cussed or smoked or anything. 1124 01:09:34,767 --> 01:09:38,734 When I was married to him, he never raised his voice, 1125 01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:42,133 but we could be talking the way you and I were talking, 1126 01:09:42,133 --> 01:09:44,367 and he could literally just reach up and choke me out till 1127 01:09:44,367 --> 01:09:45,900 I would pass out. 1128 01:09:47,667 --> 01:09:51,100 And when I would come to, I would be tied up, and then 1129 01:09:51,100 --> 01:09:52,734 whatever happened would happen. 1130 01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:54,634 If I would go to the police or something, 1131 01:09:54,700 --> 01:09:56,567 there would not be a bruise for me to show them. 1132 01:09:56,567 --> 01:09:59,433 It would be his word against my word. 1133 01:09:59,433 --> 01:10:02,667 When I left Gary, I had four kids. 1134 01:10:02,667 --> 01:10:06,533 I was a single mom, but I didn't have a job, 1135 01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:09,233 but I knew I had to get out of there. 1136 01:10:10,667 --> 01:10:12,834 Gary, I didn't know that 1137 01:10:12,834 --> 01:10:16,734 he was abusing you and harming you and hurting your children. 1138 01:10:16,734 --> 01:10:19,200 I didn't know any of that until yesterday. 1139 01:10:20,233 --> 01:10:23,233 I'm sorry that you and your family had to endure all that. 1140 01:10:26,333 --> 01:10:28,533 I owe you a debt of gratitude. 1141 01:10:29,867 --> 01:10:31,700 You are my hero. 1142 01:10:33,867 --> 01:10:35,900 You might not believe that, 1143 01:10:36,867 --> 01:10:39,734 but you are. 1144 01:10:39,734 --> 01:10:40,934 You... 1145 01:10:42,634 --> 01:10:44,867 accomplished 1146 01:10:44,867 --> 01:10:46,300 in one night 1147 01:10:47,467 --> 01:10:49,634 what I couldn't do in years. 1148 01:10:51,367 --> 01:10:54,333 I was never gonna let him get away with what he did to me 1149 01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:56,033 and to Jeff, never. -No, ma'am. 1150 01:10:56,033 --> 01:10:59,000 I spent the last 30 years running from 1151 01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:00,233 you and your children. 1152 01:11:00,233 --> 01:11:02,767 I thought y'all were gonna hurt me 1153 01:11:02,767 --> 01:11:05,000 and that y'all hated me -- your kids, 1154 01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:07,166 I thought they were gonna grow up and hate me because I put 1155 01:11:07,166 --> 01:11:10,100 their dad away. -Oh, my goodness. 1156 01:11:11,166 --> 01:11:15,800 And we have thanked God for you every day since you've escaped. 1157 01:11:16,767 --> 01:11:21,066 -You're my children's hero. -You have made my whole year. 1158 01:11:21,066 --> 01:11:22,734 Like... 1159 01:11:25,100 --> 01:11:26,900 you kind of make it okay now. 1160 01:11:28,834 --> 01:11:30,867 I have four children who are grown... 1161 01:11:30,867 --> 01:11:35,100 because of you. 1162 01:11:35,100 --> 01:11:36,533 I am here today 1163 01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:38,333 because of you. 1164 01:11:42,467 --> 01:11:44,533 I never looked at it that way. 1165 01:11:47,567 --> 01:11:49,734 I don't know if you know this or not, 1166 01:11:50,767 --> 01:11:53,200 but Timothy is my baby brother. 1167 01:11:54,934 --> 01:11:57,233 Shut the... 1168 01:11:59,233 --> 01:12:01,166 LORI: Yeah. 1169 01:12:02,667 --> 01:12:05,233 -You're kidding me, right? -No. 1170 01:12:05,300 --> 01:12:07,634 No. 1171 01:12:11,367 --> 01:12:12,900 Oh, wow. 1172 01:12:20,634 --> 01:12:21,934 I didn't know that. 1173 01:12:24,033 --> 01:12:27,300 So now I put your husband and your brother in... 1174 01:12:29,567 --> 01:12:31,834 -You didn't do anything. -I know. 1175 01:12:31,834 --> 01:12:33,867 Wow. I didn't know that. 1176 01:12:33,867 --> 01:12:35,266 You didn't do anything. 1177 01:12:35,266 --> 01:12:37,233 And you're sitting here calling me a hero. 1178 01:12:37,233 --> 01:12:40,100 -I think I need a minute. -Yeah. 1179 01:13:03,266 --> 01:13:07,233 I'm sorry that your brother is in prison, and I'm sorry that 1180 01:13:07,300 --> 01:13:08,533 your husband is dead. 1181 01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:10,200 I'm not. 1182 01:13:12,433 --> 01:13:13,834 You lost your brother. 1183 01:13:13,900 --> 01:13:16,166 My brother 1184 01:13:16,166 --> 01:13:18,934 is in prison 1185 01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:21,567 because of an action that he took. 1186 01:13:21,567 --> 01:13:23,166 He could have chose not to. 1187 01:13:23,166 --> 01:13:25,734 He had options, and he chose wrong, 1188 01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:30,100 and I'm sorry that he did that. I'm sorry for him. 1189 01:13:30,100 --> 01:13:32,166 I'm sorry for what happened to Jeff. 1190 01:13:33,634 --> 01:13:35,900 I didn't know that Timmy was your brother. 1191 01:13:40,266 --> 01:13:42,567 And it scares me, 1192 01:13:42,567 --> 01:13:44,934 because now I put your ex-husband and your brother 1193 01:13:44,934 --> 01:13:47,233 in prison. -You didn't do it. 1194 01:13:47,300 --> 01:13:49,166 I know, 1195 01:13:49,166 --> 01:13:51,100 but some people don't think right. 1196 01:13:51,100 --> 01:13:53,567 My family holds nothing against you. 1197 01:13:53,567 --> 01:13:56,166 My parents don't hold anything against you. 1198 01:13:56,166 --> 01:14:00,934 There's nobody in my life that holds anything against you. 1199 01:14:02,166 --> 01:14:05,867 Do you understand how long I have ran from y'all, 1200 01:14:05,867 --> 01:14:07,634 not knowing this? 1201 01:14:07,700 --> 01:14:10,734 When I... 1202 01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:14,433 did my interview with Andrea, 1203 01:14:15,867 --> 01:14:18,166 I didn't know 1204 01:14:18,166 --> 01:14:19,333 about Timmy 1205 01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:21,834 until Andrea told me. 1206 01:14:23,100 --> 01:14:25,100 I didn't know that -- I never read 1207 01:14:25,100 --> 01:14:27,433 trans -- I never read anything. 1208 01:14:27,500 --> 01:14:29,000 He didn't know that Timmy shot him. 1209 01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:32,533 I was in complete denial. 1210 01:14:32,533 --> 01:14:35,533 I didn't know that part of my brother. 1211 01:14:37,467 --> 01:14:40,867 Do you think that Gary talked Timmy into shooting Jeff? 1212 01:14:40,867 --> 01:14:47,233 Yes, and I do believe that Gary threatened him in some manner 1213 01:14:47,233 --> 01:14:51,834 with harming probably me or one of the kids. 1214 01:14:56,967 --> 01:14:58,667 Timothy said, "I was just going to go help him with 1215 01:14:58,667 --> 01:15:00,266 the car," and he left. 1216 01:15:00,266 --> 01:15:01,634 Well, 1217 01:15:02,567 --> 01:15:04,934 six o'clock come, you know, and he wasn't home, 1218 01:15:04,934 --> 01:15:07,867 and I'm calling 1219 01:15:07,867 --> 01:15:10,433 Gary's house, and I left a voicemail, 1220 01:15:10,433 --> 01:15:15,967 left another voicemail, and then just put the phone down. 1221 01:15:15,967 --> 01:15:19,700 You woke me up in the box. I had fallen asleep. 1222 01:15:23,266 --> 01:15:27,533 I heard it. You saved my life. 1223 01:15:32,100 --> 01:15:34,734 I didn't even know till yesterday 1224 01:15:34,734 --> 01:15:36,634 that you were calling. 1225 01:15:36,700 --> 01:15:38,734 They didn't say nothing in court. 1226 01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:40,233 They didn't say nothing. 1227 01:15:40,300 --> 01:15:42,400 I didn't know. 1228 01:15:45,066 --> 01:15:47,233 You saved me, and you didn't even know it. 1229 01:15:49,767 --> 01:15:52,300 I fought evil that day and won. 1230 01:15:54,667 --> 01:15:57,934 He practiced that to get to the point where he could murder 1231 01:15:57,934 --> 01:15:59,433 somebody and cut them up. 1232 01:16:00,834 --> 01:16:02,834 What is there that we don't know? 1233 01:16:04,567 --> 01:16:05,734 You know? 1234 01:16:05,734 --> 01:16:07,634 I don't believe... 1235 01:16:07,634 --> 01:16:10,166 that that was his first time 1236 01:16:11,867 --> 01:16:14,734 because of the way that he handled me. 1237 01:16:15,767 --> 01:16:19,033 He wasn't afraid -- he was in control the whole time. 1238 01:16:19,033 --> 01:16:21,433 He knew what he was doing. 1239 01:16:22,767 --> 01:16:24,433 He knew exactly what he was doing. 1240 01:16:24,500 --> 01:16:26,033 He was meticulous and thorough. 1241 01:16:26,033 --> 01:16:28,333 -Yeah. -He was seasoned. 1242 01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:32,500 He was a seasoned, professional monster. 1243 01:16:33,467 --> 01:16:36,266 If Gary would have come back, and she was in that box, 1244 01:16:36,266 --> 01:16:38,233 she was gonna die. -He was gonna kill me. 1245 01:16:38,300 --> 01:16:40,400 Yeah. 1246 01:16:42,467 --> 01:16:44,934 -Yeah. -But I think with time, 1247 01:16:44,934 --> 01:16:47,233 it's gonna be okay. 1248 01:17:03,433 --> 01:17:04,800 Do you feel like 1249 01:17:05,767 --> 01:17:07,834 the Mississippi Police Department, 1250 01:17:07,834 --> 01:17:09,934 do you feel like they failed you? 1251 01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:12,033 Oh, on several occasions, yes. 1252 01:17:13,100 --> 01:17:15,967 When I seen the clips, I got angry at first, 1253 01:17:15,967 --> 01:17:19,000 because I was like, why didn't she put him away? 1254 01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:20,934 This could have all been prevented. 1255 01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:24,834 -Yeah. -But I know how hard it is. 1256 01:17:24,834 --> 01:17:29,533 My thing was, when I've gone to the authorities and, you know, 1257 01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:31,133 when I've gone to doctors and gone to 1258 01:17:31,133 --> 01:17:32,634 people, 1259 01:17:32,700 --> 01:17:35,567 and they didn't believe me, you know, and... 1260 01:17:35,567 --> 01:17:38,967 The crazy wife. Yeah, I get it. 1261 01:17:38,967 --> 01:17:41,133 And I'm thinking, are you kidding me? 1262 01:17:41,133 --> 01:17:44,467 Mm-hmm. It's -- it's a shame 1263 01:17:44,467 --> 01:17:46,567 that the authorities didn't put him 1264 01:17:46,567 --> 01:17:49,834 away sooner for the things that he did to you 1265 01:17:49,834 --> 01:17:52,533 and your children. -Yeah. 1266 01:17:52,533 --> 01:17:54,367 I think right now I am 1267 01:17:54,367 --> 01:17:56,533 overwhelmed 1268 01:17:58,000 --> 01:17:59,734 with emotion 1269 01:18:00,667 --> 01:18:05,634 and new insight to what happened. 1270 01:18:05,634 --> 01:18:08,533 It's like I could shed it off 1271 01:18:08,533 --> 01:18:10,533 and just let it go. 1272 01:18:16,867 --> 01:18:18,100 I think I'm done. 1273 01:18:25,634 --> 01:18:27,834 I'm sorry that you went through all that. 1274 01:18:27,834 --> 01:18:29,200 I'm sorry you did. 1275 01:18:33,934 --> 01:18:36,233 Due to the trauma that I experienced, 1276 01:18:36,233 --> 01:18:38,967 I have a hard time trusting people 1277 01:18:38,967 --> 01:18:42,233 in any sense. 1278 01:18:42,233 --> 01:18:45,634 So at first, I was very untrusting and didn't 1279 01:18:45,634 --> 01:18:49,266 believe her, but as I got to talking to her, 1280 01:18:49,266 --> 01:18:52,433 I've been a hero to their family, 1281 01:18:52,433 --> 01:18:55,734 the whole family, for a long time. 1282 01:18:55,734 --> 01:19:00,900 And I didn't know that, because I don't see myself as the hero. 1283 01:19:02,734 --> 01:19:04,567 She filled in all the blanks. 1284 01:19:04,567 --> 01:19:06,133 You know? 1285 01:19:06,133 --> 01:19:08,166 It makes those fears go away that -- 1286 01:19:08,166 --> 01:19:10,333 that I had for so long. 1287 01:19:11,567 --> 01:19:15,100 She screamed out for help many times, 1288 01:19:16,934 --> 01:19:20,133 many times, and they didn't help her. 1289 01:19:21,667 --> 01:19:24,767 And now it's just -- it's time to heal. 1290 01:19:24,767 --> 01:19:26,200 It's time to let it go and heal. 1291 01:19:28,100 --> 01:19:31,000 Thank you for, um, hearing my story, 1292 01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:33,634 and thank you for, um, 1293 01:19:34,667 --> 01:19:38,333 for everything, because y'all don't know how many -- 1294 01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:42,233 how much this is changing my life right now. 1295 01:19:44,533 --> 01:19:46,600 And I'm grateful. So, thank you. 1296 01:19:49,734 --> 01:19:52,634 I'm not ashamed of it anymore. 1297 01:19:52,700 --> 01:19:54,934 It doesn't define me. 1298 01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:57,100 I am Brook Weber, period. 1299 01:19:58,100 --> 01:20:01,433 I'm not a victim anymore -- I'm a survivor of 1300 01:20:01,500 --> 01:20:03,734 a violent crime, and we're gonna make it through it. 1301 01:20:07,567 --> 01:20:09,233 It's nice to know 1302 01:20:10,634 --> 01:20:12,634 she's as strong as she is. 1303 01:20:13,767 --> 01:20:15,700 It's nice to know that, uh, 1304 01:20:18,467 --> 01:20:20,934 you're not the only one that has 1305 01:20:21,967 --> 01:20:24,433 survived something that's, uh... 1306 01:20:25,667 --> 01:20:28,266 traumatic, you know? 1307 01:20:28,266 --> 01:20:31,967 What she's given me, you know, is closure 1308 01:20:31,967 --> 01:20:36,367 and a debt that I could never pay. 1309 01:20:36,367 --> 01:20:39,934 It's one thing to read about somebody in your -- in 1310 01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:42,634 the papers or -- or watch something on TV 1311 01:20:42,634 --> 01:20:46,367 or something, but to actually shake their hand and to look 1312 01:20:46,367 --> 01:20:48,467 them in the eye or to hear their voice or -- 1313 01:20:48,467 --> 01:20:50,533 or to hug them and, you know, 1314 01:20:50,533 --> 01:20:52,533 to, you know, to know she's real, 1315 01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:55,934 to know that she's a fighter -- we're gonna be okay. 1316 01:20:55,934 --> 01:20:58,533 I hate that she... 1317 01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:02,433 thought that we were after her. I don't like that 1318 01:21:02,500 --> 01:21:06,066 so much of her time and effort was wasted on 1319 01:21:06,066 --> 01:21:07,567 thinking somebody was after her. 1320 01:21:07,567 --> 01:21:10,400 I can understand that, though. 1321 01:21:12,367 --> 01:21:14,166 She was able to, um... 1322 01:21:18,934 --> 01:21:22,233 stop somebody that I could not, she was able to protect 1323 01:21:22,233 --> 01:21:25,066 my children when -- when I tried and failed, 1324 01:21:26,767 --> 01:21:29,934 and I hate that it took this long to thank her. 1325 01:21:32,934 --> 01:21:35,867 I just wanted people to understand 1326 01:21:35,867 --> 01:21:38,233 that it's not as easy as it looks. 1327 01:21:38,233 --> 01:21:40,967 You can't say that you could walk out or -- 1328 01:21:40,967 --> 01:21:43,567 or, you know, you would do something 1329 01:21:43,567 --> 01:21:46,767 differently from, from what I did or from what 1330 01:21:46,767 --> 01:21:48,433 Brook did, 1331 01:21:48,500 --> 01:21:49,867 because you weren't there. 1332 01:21:49,867 --> 01:21:53,100 You weren't tortured or brutalized. 1333 01:21:53,100 --> 01:21:57,166 If you were put in a situation that I was put in 1334 01:21:57,166 --> 01:22:00,266 or that Brook was put in, 1335 01:22:00,266 --> 01:22:03,133 your outcome could have been different than what ours was. 1336 01:22:03,133 --> 01:22:04,333 You might not have made it out alive the way we did. 1337 01:22:22,233 --> 01:22:24,000 ♪ 1338 01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:27,133 This is my father and he's got that look on his face 1339 01:22:27,133 --> 01:22:29,000 like he's a prophet of God. 1340 01:22:30,166 --> 01:22:33,533 I was completely trapped. There was no escape, 1341 01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:35,300 because I knew I couldn't escape God. 1342 01:22:42,033 --> 01:22:45,000 Lack of empathy. Just horrific to hear. 1343 01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:48,000 I was angry at myself for a long time. 1344 01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:50,667 I thought Ray was the perfect man. 1345 01:22:50,667 --> 01:22:53,934 Ray was evil. 1346 01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:57,266 He was very difficult to even say that 1347 01:22:57,266 --> 01:23:01,000 my mom killed three children, possibly four. 1348 01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:06,433 Ooh, sorry. I'm having a panic attack. 1349 01:23:08,367 --> 01:23:11,100 The worst kind of evil is when it comes from somebody 1350 01:23:11,100 --> 01:23:12,333 you thought you could trust. 1351 01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:15,166 [screaming] 1352 01:23:15,166 --> 01:23:18,667 The loss lives in you like a scream you can't scream 1353 01:23:18,667 --> 01:23:20,834 all the time.