1 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:06,467 I do not believe my son is evil at all. 2 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,367 I do believe that there are evil spirits in the world. 3 00:00:11,467 --> 00:00:14,767 There's this constant war going on between Satan 4 00:00:14,867 --> 00:00:17,166 and his devils and the Holy Spirit 5 00:00:17,266 --> 00:00:19,467 who lives inside of every Christian. 6 00:00:20,900 --> 00:00:23,200 If you give yourself to God, 7 00:00:23,300 --> 00:00:27,800 you're largely protected from the really bad things of life. 8 00:00:27,900 --> 00:00:30,000 If you do not give yourself to God, 9 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:30,300 If you do not give yourself to God, 10 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:35,367 that little evil voice whispering in your ear can 11 00:00:35,467 --> 00:00:37,667 easily set traps for you. 12 00:00:37,767 --> 00:00:40,266 Tyler had fallen into Satan's trap. 13 00:00:40,367 --> 00:00:42,667 ♪♪ 14 00:00:56,300 --> 00:00:59,600 Satan is always plotting spiritual warfare against us. 15 00:00:59,700 --> 00:01:00,000 His goal is to create as much harm as he can 16 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,467 His goal is to create as much harm as he can 17 00:01:02,567 --> 00:01:05,400 to each of us as he can get away with. 18 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,300 And if you don't have a good connection with God, 19 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:10,600 you're vulnerable. 20 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,000 My son has done a very terrible thing. 21 00:01:20,100 --> 00:01:21,467 He now is going to deal with 22 00:01:21,567 --> 00:01:23,567 some very terrible consequences. 23 00:01:26,967 --> 00:01:30,000 [The Paper Chase's "What's So Amazing About Grace?" plays] 24 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:30,300 [The Paper Chase's "What's So Amazing About Grace?" plays] 25 00:01:30,367 --> 00:01:32,767 [strings continue playing sinister tune] 26 00:01:32,867 --> 00:01:35,467 [static crackling] 27 00:01:38,367 --> 00:01:39,967 [knock at door] [creaking] 28 00:01:40,066 --> 00:01:43,967 [banging on door] 29 00:01:44,066 --> 00:01:50,367 [creaking] 30 00:01:50,467 --> 00:01:52,266 [water dripping] 31 00:01:52,266 --> 00:01:54,567 [banging on door] [creaking] 32 00:01:54,667 --> 00:01:56,667 [sinister chord strikes] 33 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,967 This picture makes me smile. 34 00:02:05,967 --> 00:02:09,000 This is part of my son's creative, mischievous nature. 35 00:02:09,100 --> 00:02:11,800 He'd gone into my daughter's bedroom, 36 00:02:11,867 --> 00:02:14,367 and got out her dark pink lipstick, 37 00:02:14,467 --> 00:02:18,000 and proceeded to just smear it all over himself. 38 00:02:18,100 --> 00:02:22,200 We saw a lot of this kind of behavior 39 00:02:22,266 --> 00:02:26,867 over the years, just doing crazy things. 40 00:02:26,967 --> 00:02:29,500 I was proud of my son for the odd little things 41 00:02:29,567 --> 00:02:30,000 he would do, because it meant that 42 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:31,367 he would do, because it meant that 43 00:02:31,467 --> 00:02:33,900 his creative side was working pretty well. 44 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,500 But this willingness to disrupt and to 45 00:02:37,567 --> 00:02:40,500 get into trouble always seemed to be there. 46 00:02:43,900 --> 00:02:48,066 We typically believe that both the evil angel 47 00:02:48,066 --> 00:02:51,367 and the good angel are whispering in your head 48 00:02:51,367 --> 00:02:53,100 trying to get you to do different things, 49 00:02:53,166 --> 00:02:55,100 choose good or choose evil. 50 00:02:55,166 --> 00:02:57,667 And he was a little more willing to do the -- 51 00:02:57,767 --> 00:02:59,100 the bad things. 52 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,967 I referred to my son as "The living torpedo." 53 00:03:18,066 --> 00:03:21,000 He was always getting in trouble. 54 00:03:21,100 --> 00:03:24,667 There was an instance with my son when he was very young. 55 00:03:24,767 --> 00:03:27,900 My first wife had gone out to some church event that night, 56 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,000 so I was left to babysit. 57 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:30,667 so I was left to babysit. 58 00:03:30,767 --> 00:03:34,100 And so, while I was on my computer, 59 00:03:34,166 --> 00:03:36,166 I could hear all this commotion of things being 60 00:03:36,266 --> 00:03:37,367 knocked off tables. 61 00:03:37,467 --> 00:03:39,000 [loud thumping noise] 62 00:03:40,500 --> 00:03:43,500 I thought, well, you know what, I better investigate. 63 00:03:47,166 --> 00:03:48,600 He'd gone over to the table 64 00:03:48,667 --> 00:03:49,900 where the clean laundry was sitting... 65 00:03:52,367 --> 00:03:54,767 and he'd just throw it all on the floor, 66 00:03:54,767 --> 00:03:58,367 and he scribbled all over the table. 67 00:04:00,166 --> 00:04:03,567 He took baking soda, and he just dumped it 68 00:04:03,667 --> 00:04:05,066 in the kitchen floor. 69 00:04:05,166 --> 00:04:07,667 Then he took salad dressing, 70 00:04:07,767 --> 00:04:10,767 and he dumped the salad dressing on his toys. 71 00:04:14,867 --> 00:04:17,367 I think it was just normal kid stuff, 72 00:04:17,467 --> 00:04:19,567 but there was one thing for sure 73 00:04:19,667 --> 00:04:21,166 that was very distressing to me. 74 00:04:21,266 --> 00:04:24,166 We had a big 55-gallon aquarium. 75 00:04:27,567 --> 00:04:30,000 And I noticed that my aquarium was all milky white. 76 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:31,467 And I noticed that my aquarium was all milky white. 77 00:04:32,467 --> 00:04:34,266 One of the two fish was floating dead 78 00:04:34,367 --> 00:04:35,600 on top of the water. 79 00:04:38,100 --> 00:04:42,367 So, then I asked my very young son what he had done... 80 00:04:42,467 --> 00:04:44,266 Tyler! 81 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,767 ...and he told me he poured milk in the aquarium. 82 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:55,000 I told my son not to do that again, that it killed the fish. 83 00:04:55,100 --> 00:04:57,500 And I showed him one of the dead fish. 84 00:04:57,567 --> 00:04:59,467 You know that killing is wrong? 85 00:05:00,567 --> 00:05:01,667 Yes. 86 00:05:02,867 --> 00:05:04,100 Go clean up your mess. 87 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:05,567 I'll take care of this. 88 00:05:07,700 --> 00:05:10,367 A couple days later, I noticed that 89 00:05:10,467 --> 00:05:12,500 the second fish 90 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,367 was floating dead on top of the water. 91 00:05:19,166 --> 00:05:23,400 When I lifted the lid off the tank to get that dead fish, 92 00:05:23,467 --> 00:05:26,800 the water felt very hot. 93 00:05:26,900 --> 00:05:29,700 It was all the way up 120 degrees, 94 00:05:29,767 --> 00:05:30,000 and it was pretty easy to deduce, 95 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,767 and it was pretty easy to deduce, 96 00:05:31,867 --> 00:05:33,500 that while I was at work, 97 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,600 my son fried that last fish. 98 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:40,767 So I was a little concerned about that. 99 00:05:40,867 --> 00:05:42,133 Tyler! 100 00:05:42,166 --> 00:05:46,400 I don't remember what he said as to why he chose to do that. 101 00:05:46,500 --> 00:05:48,100 Did you do this? 102 00:05:49,567 --> 00:05:50,967 Did you kill this other fish? 103 00:05:50,967 --> 00:05:55,700 My son just was leaning more towards the darker side. 104 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,000 If my son was willing to kill those two fish, 105 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:00,767 If my son was willing to kill those two fish, 106 00:06:00,767 --> 00:06:02,767 he probably would do it again. 107 00:06:02,867 --> 00:06:03,900 Go up to your room. 108 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,166 From that point forward, I drained my fish tank 109 00:06:10,266 --> 00:06:12,100 and never had an aquarium again. 110 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,200 But I just considered my son to be a strong-willed, 111 00:06:17,300 --> 00:06:20,066 highly independent, uh, kid 112 00:06:20,166 --> 00:06:23,967 who's exploring his world with great zeal and gusto. 113 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,767 In 1989, uh, 114 00:06:33,867 --> 00:06:35,700 I had a very bizarre encounter 115 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,166 with the demonic realm with my son. 116 00:06:39,266 --> 00:06:43,266 I walked out the front door and Tyler was standing 117 00:06:43,367 --> 00:06:47,266 on the grass beside the little cement walkway there. 118 00:06:47,367 --> 00:06:48,433 Tyler? 119 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,166 He looks up at me, and he's got this white froth 120 00:06:58,166 --> 00:07:00,000 all over his mouth and chin... 121 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:00,467 all over his mouth and chin... 122 00:07:01,767 --> 00:07:03,400 ...which I've never seen before on my son. 123 00:07:03,500 --> 00:07:06,667 And he says "I hate Jesus", 124 00:07:06,767 --> 00:07:09,900 I want my cat to pee on Jesus." 125 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:11,900 This was a very disturbing voice. 126 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,967 It was not my son's normal voice. 127 00:07:13,967 --> 00:07:16,867 A very deep, guttural kind of a voice. 128 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,367 [indistinct deep voice] 129 00:07:19,467 --> 00:07:21,200 My son tells me that, um... 130 00:07:22,567 --> 00:07:27,200 ...that there are two bad kings in the backyard. 131 00:07:27,300 --> 00:07:30,000 That they hate me, his father, and hate his mother, 132 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:30,667 That they hate me, his father, and hate his mother, 133 00:07:30,767 --> 00:07:34,266 but that they love Tyler, and they gave Tyler kisses. 134 00:07:36,266 --> 00:07:39,100 In the Adventist belief system, there's always this huge 135 00:07:39,166 --> 00:07:41,667 spiritual war going on around you. 136 00:07:41,767 --> 00:07:45,066 Some Christians believe that a person can be demon possessed. 137 00:07:45,066 --> 00:07:49,500 Other Christians say no, you can't be demon possessed, 138 00:07:49,567 --> 00:07:52,266 but they can put thoughts in your head. 139 00:07:52,367 --> 00:07:54,100 And that's what I immediately thought. 140 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:58,300 No, that's not true, that's not you talking. 141 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,000 So I knew I was dealing with an evil entity 142 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,100 So I knew I was dealing with an evil entity 143 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,767 that's using my son to communicate some very 144 00:08:04,867 --> 00:08:05,967 disturbing thoughts. 145 00:08:06,066 --> 00:08:09,800 So, I said a prayer of, "In the name of Jesus, 146 00:08:09,900 --> 00:08:13,166 I command you evil spirit to leave my son." 147 00:08:13,266 --> 00:08:14,800 And then, I -- I took my son in the house... 148 00:08:14,867 --> 00:08:17,367 Come inside, quickly. 149 00:08:18,900 --> 00:08:21,600 ...and washed the foam off of his face. 150 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:26,100 I prayed, and I asked God, 151 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,867 what is giving those evil spirits permission 152 00:08:28,867 --> 00:08:30,000 to be in my backyard? 153 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:30,367 to be in my backyard? 154 00:08:30,467 --> 00:08:33,467 And the image that came to my mind was 155 00:08:33,567 --> 00:08:37,100 some porn magazines and some porn video tapes. 156 00:08:38,266 --> 00:08:41,166 I suffered from a severe porn addiction for many years. 157 00:08:41,166 --> 00:08:44,767 Because I'm watching porn, I'm now giving demons 158 00:08:44,867 --> 00:08:47,166 permission to come into my house. 159 00:08:47,266 --> 00:08:48,867 I didn't want the demons in my house. 160 00:08:50,300 --> 00:08:53,100 So I trashed all the porn that I had, 161 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:54,667 and I buried them in the backyard. 162 00:08:54,767 --> 00:08:58,400 So, when Tyler told me that he saw evil kings in the backyard, 163 00:08:58,467 --> 00:09:00,000 uh, that immediately told me that porn that I had buried 164 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,667 uh, that immediately told me that porn that I had buried 165 00:09:02,767 --> 00:09:05,967 gave them permission to be there in my backyard. 166 00:09:07,166 --> 00:09:10,867 So again, I dug up the porn, 167 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:13,867 and I put it in the trash. 168 00:09:16,100 --> 00:09:19,567 So later that night, when we're sitting at the dinner table, 169 00:09:20,700 --> 00:09:25,967 my son just suddenly says, "Jesus is the prince of peace." 170 00:09:25,967 --> 00:09:28,400 To me, that was a wonderful thing to hear. 171 00:09:28,500 --> 00:09:30,000 I breathed a big sigh of relief, 172 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:30,567 I breathed a big sigh of relief, 173 00:09:30,567 --> 00:09:33,967 and I don't think my son talked about evil kings after that. 174 00:09:43,166 --> 00:09:45,467 When my son was around 10, 175 00:09:45,467 --> 00:09:49,200 we had a very disturbing instance with him. 176 00:09:52,467 --> 00:09:55,867 My daughter was six years older 177 00:09:55,867 --> 00:10:00,000 than Tyler, and my daughter had a young man, 178 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:00,266 than Tyler, and my daughter had a young man, 179 00:10:00,367 --> 00:10:02,200 and my son did not like him. 180 00:10:03,166 --> 00:10:06,500 He just felt he gave off a very bad vibration. 181 00:10:08,500 --> 00:10:12,367 Tyler was protective of his sister. 182 00:10:15,467 --> 00:10:18,767 So my son took a knife and chased that young boy 183 00:10:18,867 --> 00:10:22,300 down the street to get out of our house. 184 00:10:24,767 --> 00:10:26,767 And he didn't come back after that. 185 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:30,000 Fortunately, nobody got hurt. 186 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:30,467 Fortunately, nobody got hurt. 187 00:10:30,567 --> 00:10:32,200 I wasn't there when it happened. 188 00:10:32,300 --> 00:10:33,600 What's going on out here? 189 00:10:33,700 --> 00:10:35,767 And I talked with Tyler to stop, 190 00:10:35,867 --> 00:10:37,667 don't do that, that's dangerous. 191 00:10:37,767 --> 00:10:39,967 You could hurt yourself or that other boy. 192 00:10:40,066 --> 00:10:42,100 Do you even understand that? 193 00:10:42,166 --> 00:10:44,700 But -- but I just kind of dismissed that. 194 00:10:44,767 --> 00:10:46,767 I didn't think much of it except 195 00:10:46,867 --> 00:10:49,767 Tyler is being very protective of his sister. 196 00:10:51,100 --> 00:10:53,200 Looking back now, the fact that he had 197 00:10:53,266 --> 00:10:56,567 that kind of violence in him was very troubling. 198 00:10:56,667 --> 00:10:59,867 That's some very serious and very dangerous behavior. 199 00:11:01,300 --> 00:11:03,567 What terrible thing is going to happen next? 200 00:11:10,100 --> 00:11:13,266 Every Thanksgiving, I would do a family photo. 201 00:11:13,367 --> 00:11:17,767 Tyler is about 13 in this picture. 202 00:11:19,300 --> 00:11:22,567 And as I look at him, knowing what I know now, 203 00:11:22,667 --> 00:11:25,300 he's got kind of an arrogant look in his eyes. 204 00:11:27,066 --> 00:11:31,100 This is the beginning of the rebellious teen years. 205 00:11:32,567 --> 00:11:34,567 I'd been warned that all your 206 00:11:34,667 --> 00:11:35,898 kids are gonna go through rebellion. 207 00:11:35,898 --> 00:11:37,100 kids are gonna go through rebellion. 208 00:11:37,166 --> 00:11:39,567 But I did not expect 209 00:11:39,667 --> 00:11:44,000 the hard level of rebellion that ended up unfolding. 210 00:11:44,100 --> 00:11:45,900 He wanted to not go to school. 211 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,000 He wanted to stop going to church. 212 00:11:49,100 --> 00:11:52,667 Now, he's starting to really push back against my parental 213 00:11:52,767 --> 00:11:57,000 authority and just wreak as much havoc as he could. 214 00:12:02,100 --> 00:12:05,667 It was Sunday, and my son was refusing to go to church. 215 00:12:07,367 --> 00:12:09,000 I said come on, Tyler -- let's get going. 216 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,266 And now that disturbed me, because I'm the adult 217 00:12:12,367 --> 00:12:14,367 in the house -- he's in my house. 218 00:12:14,467 --> 00:12:16,467 He should be following my rules. 219 00:12:16,467 --> 00:12:18,667 The church is important to me as a family. 220 00:12:18,667 --> 00:12:21,700 But he just stubbornly put his foot down and said no. 221 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:23,467 I'm not going. 222 00:12:25,500 --> 00:12:29,467 So he's sitting on his bed with a pocket knife in his hand 223 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,667 and he's opening it and closing it. 224 00:12:32,767 --> 00:12:34,266 Opening it and closing. 225 00:12:34,367 --> 00:12:35,898 Just kind of looking at the floor. 226 00:12:35,898 --> 00:12:36,867 Just kind of looking at the floor. 227 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,500 You know the rule. 228 00:12:38,567 --> 00:12:43,667 I already told you, I don't care about your stupid rule. 229 00:12:43,767 --> 00:12:45,367 EUGENE: He was making it very clear to me 230 00:12:45,467 --> 00:12:48,400 that he was very willing to do violence. 231 00:12:48,467 --> 00:12:50,767 And I was very troubled by that. 232 00:12:50,867 --> 00:12:52,400 And I said, "I just rebuked 233 00:12:52,467 --> 00:12:54,700 the evil spirits in this room in the name of Jesus." 234 00:12:54,767 --> 00:12:56,667 [whispering] In God's name, I command you to leave this place. 235 00:12:56,667 --> 00:12:58,600 In God's name, I command you to leave this place. 236 00:12:58,667 --> 00:13:00,767 EUGENE: He just looked at me in disgust. 237 00:13:00,867 --> 00:13:03,166 I just let him sit there. 238 00:13:03,266 --> 00:13:05,898 My first wife and my daughter and I, we went to church. 239 00:13:05,898 --> 00:13:06,100 My first wife and my daughter and I, we went to church. 240 00:13:07,567 --> 00:13:08,900 And from that point forward, 241 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,300 my son refused to go to church with us. 242 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:15,000 So I just accepted that's -- that's how it is. 243 00:13:15,100 --> 00:13:16,266 I can't force him. 244 00:13:17,867 --> 00:13:20,166 I just felt Tyler was going to go through 245 00:13:20,266 --> 00:13:22,166 some very difficult times without God, 246 00:13:22,266 --> 00:13:25,100 because in the back of my head is all this demonic spiritual 247 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:26,367 warfare going on. 248 00:13:26,367 --> 00:13:29,667 So, if you don't have God helping you, you're screwed. 249 00:13:43,100 --> 00:13:47,467 What I have in my hand here is a ledger dated 2001. 250 00:13:47,567 --> 00:13:50,266 At the start of every new year on January first, 251 00:13:50,367 --> 00:13:53,700 I would get myself a blank ledger, 252 00:13:53,767 --> 00:13:56,000 and I would start keeping a diary -- as you can see, 253 00:13:56,100 --> 00:13:59,367 from this first page, it's just filled with stuff. 254 00:13:59,467 --> 00:14:03,200 This is when Tyler was in his teen rebellion years. 255 00:14:04,266 --> 00:14:05,898 By this time, Tyler has missed a lot of school, 256 00:14:05,898 --> 00:14:06,667 By this time, Tyler has missed a lot of school, 257 00:14:06,767 --> 00:14:08,867 which is very upsetting. 258 00:14:09,900 --> 00:14:14,567 Here on January 24 is a diary entry about Tyler. 259 00:14:14,667 --> 00:14:18,567 Yesterday, Nellie took Tyler in for a physical 260 00:14:18,667 --> 00:14:22,000 about his constantly being sick and missing school. 261 00:14:22,100 --> 00:14:23,700 The doctor said to Tyler, 262 00:14:23,767 --> 00:14:27,900 "Until you are 18, your mother owns you." 263 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,767 He said next time he slept in, 264 00:14:30,867 --> 00:14:33,700 the mom should pour ice-cold water on him 265 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:35,898 to force my son to go to school. 266 00:14:35,898 --> 00:14:36,166 to force my son to go to school. 267 00:14:36,266 --> 00:14:39,166 So my wife told me this story. 268 00:14:39,166 --> 00:14:44,967 Um, and then, of course, I told my boss at work, 269 00:14:44,967 --> 00:14:46,567 and they both said, 270 00:14:46,667 --> 00:14:49,667 absolutely, you should pour ice-cold water on him 271 00:14:49,767 --> 00:14:51,767 if he's not going to get up and go to school. 272 00:14:51,867 --> 00:14:53,367 And so that's what I did. 273 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,266 February 14. 274 00:14:57,266 --> 00:14:59,867 I went into his room to see if he'd gotten ready for school. 275 00:15:00,066 --> 00:15:02,000 He was still laying in bed, and I asked him 276 00:15:02,100 --> 00:15:03,200 if he was going to go to school. 277 00:15:03,300 --> 00:15:05,066 He said no. 278 00:15:05,066 --> 00:15:05,898 You're not skipping any more classes. 279 00:15:05,898 --> 00:15:07,367 You're not skipping any more classes. 280 00:15:07,367 --> 00:15:10,400 And I said, look, you better get up and get dressed and go 281 00:15:10,500 --> 00:15:13,000 to school or I'm going to go into the kitchen, 282 00:15:13,100 --> 00:15:15,700 I'm gonna get a glass of ice water, 283 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:17,100 and I'm gonna throw it on you 284 00:15:17,166 --> 00:15:19,100 if you refuse to go to school. 285 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:20,567 He just laid there. 286 00:15:21,867 --> 00:15:22,867 AS EUGENE: You think I'm bluffing. 287 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:26,000 Fine. 288 00:15:28,367 --> 00:15:30,867 EUGENE: So he could hear me, walking out of 289 00:15:30,867 --> 00:15:33,300 his bedroom, a couple steps to the kitchen. 290 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,266 [water pouring] 291 00:15:35,367 --> 00:15:35,898 He could hear me getting a cup, 292 00:15:35,898 --> 00:15:37,000 He could hear me getting a cup, 293 00:15:37,066 --> 00:15:40,467 hear me getting the ice water, and I came back. 294 00:15:40,467 --> 00:15:42,000 He's still laying in bed. 295 00:15:47,166 --> 00:15:52,000 And he had stashed a pocket knife by his pillow. 296 00:15:54,166 --> 00:15:56,467 I threw the ice water on him. 297 00:16:00,867 --> 00:16:03,200 He threw that open pocket knife at me. 298 00:16:04,867 --> 00:16:05,898 Are you crazy? 299 00:16:05,898 --> 00:16:06,100 Are you crazy? 300 00:16:07,166 --> 00:16:08,900 And fortunately for me, 301 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,867 it hit the wall, it missed me. 302 00:16:13,667 --> 00:16:16,367 But he absolutely wanted to hurt me. 303 00:16:16,467 --> 00:16:19,166 There's no doubt in my mind he was very angry with me, 304 00:16:19,266 --> 00:16:23,100 and he just wanted that knife to hit me. 305 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:24,467 And that's why I called the police, 306 00:16:24,567 --> 00:16:26,867 because this could get a lot worse. 307 00:16:26,967 --> 00:16:28,000 What are you doing? 308 00:16:28,066 --> 00:16:29,567 I'm calling the police! 309 00:16:31,300 --> 00:16:33,400 And the police came, but by this time... 310 00:16:33,500 --> 00:16:34,600 Where you going? 311 00:16:34,700 --> 00:16:35,898 ...he was smart enough to leave the house, 312 00:16:35,898 --> 00:16:36,467 ...he was smart enough to leave the house, 313 00:16:36,467 --> 00:16:38,500 'cause he and his friends knew that if you're not home 314 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:40,066 when the police come, 315 00:16:40,066 --> 00:16:41,867 they're not going to go looking for you. 316 00:16:41,867 --> 00:16:43,400 No, he's not here! He just ran out the door. 317 00:16:43,467 --> 00:16:45,166 Tyler! 318 00:16:45,266 --> 00:16:47,266 He came back home later that night, 319 00:16:47,367 --> 00:16:49,200 and I didn't do anything about it, 320 00:16:49,300 --> 00:16:51,767 because the police didn't do anything about it. 321 00:16:51,767 --> 00:16:55,700 I was very concerned about what Tyler might do. 322 00:16:55,767 --> 00:16:59,700 I was always hoping that the next 323 00:16:59,767 --> 00:17:02,467 bad consequence would bring him to his senses, 324 00:17:02,567 --> 00:17:05,467 and to stop doing these terrible things, 325 00:17:05,567 --> 00:17:05,898 but it didn't. 326 00:17:05,898 --> 00:17:07,467 but it didn't. 327 00:17:14,567 --> 00:17:17,600 Tyler was probably around 15... 328 00:17:19,100 --> 00:17:21,066 and I came home from work... 329 00:17:23,467 --> 00:17:25,367 and he was -- he was walking around 330 00:17:25,367 --> 00:17:28,000 with a short-sleeve shirt. 331 00:17:28,100 --> 00:17:30,300 Tyler. 332 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:31,667 What's that on your arm? 333 00:17:31,767 --> 00:17:35,898 And I noticed on the lower part of his left arm, 334 00:17:35,898 --> 00:17:36,667 And I noticed on the lower part of his left arm, 335 00:17:36,767 --> 00:17:39,967 he had carved some -- looked like eyes. 336 00:17:40,066 --> 00:17:41,967 That was alarming, because that 337 00:17:42,066 --> 00:17:43,967 obviously would have caused pain. 338 00:17:44,066 --> 00:17:46,166 He used an exacto blade to do it. 339 00:17:47,166 --> 00:17:48,300 I said, "What are those?" 340 00:17:48,367 --> 00:17:51,767 And he -- and he said, "They're -- they're demon eyes. 341 00:17:51,867 --> 00:17:53,967 You know, they help me see things," 342 00:17:54,066 --> 00:17:56,166 which was very disturbing to me. 343 00:17:56,266 --> 00:17:59,266 Why would you do something like that to yourself? 344 00:17:59,367 --> 00:18:02,867 But it was another indication that Tyler preferred 345 00:18:02,967 --> 00:18:05,700 the path of darkness rather than the path of light. 346 00:18:06,867 --> 00:18:08,266 He was very cocky. 347 00:18:08,367 --> 00:18:10,767 He didn't give a rat's ass what I thought about it. 348 00:18:10,867 --> 00:18:14,567 In fact, he wanted me to be disturbed by things he did. 349 00:18:15,867 --> 00:18:19,000 I could tell from his expression that he liked 350 00:18:19,100 --> 00:18:20,700 my discomfort. 351 00:18:20,767 --> 00:18:22,467 I didn't know what I could do about that. 352 00:18:26,900 --> 00:18:29,266 We put him on the 72-hour hold. 353 00:18:29,367 --> 00:18:31,700 So the behavioral center had their experts 354 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:33,066 trying to deal with him. 355 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:35,898 I went into his room while he was 356 00:18:35,898 --> 00:18:36,767 I went into his room while he was 357 00:18:36,867 --> 00:18:38,200 at the behavioral center, 358 00:18:38,266 --> 00:18:41,400 and I gathered up his heavy metal CDs. 359 00:18:41,500 --> 00:18:45,200 The covers on some of these bands looked very demonic, 360 00:18:45,300 --> 00:18:46,700 very evil looking. 361 00:18:46,767 --> 00:18:51,000 And so I began thinking that my son's heavy metal music 362 00:18:51,066 --> 00:18:55,300 has allowed stronger demons to be influencing him. 363 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,700 I broke them in half and threw them in the trash. 364 00:19:02,967 --> 00:19:05,166 And so when he came out of the hospital, 365 00:19:05,266 --> 00:19:05,898 he was -- he was very angry about that. 366 00:19:05,898 --> 00:19:07,667 he was -- he was very angry about that. 367 00:19:09,567 --> 00:19:10,800 What are you doing? 368 00:19:12,700 --> 00:19:16,667 EUGENE: So I was very concerned about what Tyler might do. 369 00:19:16,767 --> 00:19:19,467 It seemed like he had chosen 370 00:19:19,567 --> 00:19:21,867 to embrace evil rather than good. 371 00:19:26,567 --> 00:19:29,767 EUGENE: My wife is an occupational therapist, 372 00:19:29,867 --> 00:19:33,266 and she's very big on counseling. 373 00:19:33,367 --> 00:19:35,467 So she would take my son Tyler 374 00:19:35,567 --> 00:19:39,767 and I to different counseling sessions. 375 00:19:39,867 --> 00:19:42,567 The counselor didn't have any 376 00:19:42,667 --> 00:19:45,266 beneficial effect on my son's behavior. 377 00:19:45,367 --> 00:19:48,266 And it was very disappointing to me how 378 00:19:48,367 --> 00:19:49,600 the police couldn't help. 379 00:19:49,700 --> 00:19:52,467 How the behavioral center people couldn't help. 380 00:19:52,467 --> 00:19:54,266 Counseling couldn't help. 381 00:19:55,300 --> 00:19:59,166 I felt I did everything I could possibly do, 382 00:19:59,266 --> 00:20:02,166 and nothing seems to be working with my son. 383 00:20:03,967 --> 00:20:06,500 But I get impressions from the Holy Spirit, 384 00:20:06,567 --> 00:20:08,700 help me kind of understand the situation 385 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,600 and what I should do. 386 00:20:10,667 --> 00:20:14,166 I saw this picture in my mind that Tyler was like 387 00:20:14,166 --> 00:20:15,767 the Wizard of Oz. 388 00:20:15,867 --> 00:20:19,100 My son is manifesting all this hateful, 389 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:23,367 belligerent, rebellious, angry behavior. 390 00:20:23,467 --> 00:20:24,363 But inside, he's just a scared, young teenager. 391 00:20:24,363 --> 00:20:26,867 But inside, he's just a scared, young teenager. 392 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,567 He's just the little guy behind the curtain. Uh... 393 00:20:31,667 --> 00:20:33,000 He was weak and vulnerable, 394 00:20:33,100 --> 00:20:35,967 and I should approach him that way. 395 00:20:35,967 --> 00:20:37,567 And that's what I did. 396 00:20:37,667 --> 00:20:40,500 I softened my approach towards him. 397 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,867 I would take away his Nintendo. 398 00:20:43,867 --> 00:20:46,500 At one point, I said, "You can't see your girlfriend 399 00:20:46,567 --> 00:20:50,467 until you go to school or stop doing marijuana." 400 00:20:50,567 --> 00:20:53,266 So we tried a variety of those things. 401 00:21:04,166 --> 00:21:07,800 In 2001, my wife handed me a letter 402 00:21:07,867 --> 00:21:10,467 that Tyler had written to her the night before. 403 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,000 What's this? 404 00:21:13,967 --> 00:21:15,266 Tyler wrote that. 405 00:21:15,367 --> 00:21:17,367 EUGENE: He said three different things. 406 00:21:17,467 --> 00:21:21,166 He said, one, our threats to him like 407 00:21:21,266 --> 00:21:24,363 taking away his Nintendo, only pissed him off, 408 00:21:24,363 --> 00:21:25,166 taking away his Nintendo, only pissed him off, 409 00:21:25,266 --> 00:21:28,467 and he said that he wanted both me 410 00:21:28,567 --> 00:21:31,000 and his mother to die. 411 00:21:35,266 --> 00:21:37,166 If she was gonna drive him to school, 412 00:21:37,266 --> 00:21:41,266 that he would grab the wheel and jerk it 413 00:21:41,367 --> 00:21:44,367 to make the car crash and kill them both. 414 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,367 And he said if we didn't let him see his new girlfriend, 415 00:21:50,467 --> 00:21:53,467 someone was going to get hurt. 416 00:21:53,567 --> 00:21:54,363 He's not getting better, Eugene. 417 00:21:54,363 --> 00:21:55,066 He's not getting better, Eugene. 418 00:21:57,567 --> 00:21:59,767 I took Tyler's threats very serious. 419 00:22:01,300 --> 00:22:05,667 So once I read that letter, I called the police, 420 00:22:05,767 --> 00:22:07,767 because I can't do anything to 421 00:22:07,867 --> 00:22:10,400 make him stop his violent behavior. 422 00:22:10,500 --> 00:22:11,767 They were the experts. 423 00:22:11,867 --> 00:22:14,367 They're the ones that are supposed to know what to do. 424 00:22:16,867 --> 00:22:20,867 The police did come and pick up Tyler 425 00:22:20,967 --> 00:22:24,166 and took him to a behavioral medical center. 426 00:22:24,266 --> 00:22:24,363 I think he was there for a week, and then, 427 00:22:24,363 --> 00:22:26,800 I think he was there for a week, and then, 428 00:22:26,867 --> 00:22:28,367 when he came back, 429 00:22:28,467 --> 00:22:33,567 he just came out as belligerent to me as before. 430 00:22:33,667 --> 00:22:35,967 Didn't seem to do him any good at all. 431 00:22:36,066 --> 00:22:37,900 He just hated me. 432 00:22:39,100 --> 00:22:40,100 I'm the parent. 433 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,100 I'm supposed to get him to go to school. 434 00:22:42,166 --> 00:22:46,000 I'm supposed to make him stop smoking marijuana. 435 00:22:46,100 --> 00:22:48,467 I'm supposed to make him stop threatening people 436 00:22:48,467 --> 00:22:49,600 with a knife. 437 00:22:49,700 --> 00:22:52,567 But I felt like my hands were tied, 438 00:22:52,567 --> 00:22:54,363 and there wasn't much I could do about it. 439 00:22:54,363 --> 00:22:54,567 and there wasn't much I could do about it. 440 00:22:54,667 --> 00:22:57,166 All I can do is write it down in my journal 441 00:22:57,266 --> 00:23:00,100 and start the next day with a blank sheet of paper 442 00:23:00,166 --> 00:23:02,600 and see what the hell happens next. 443 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:15,767 When he came out of the hospital, 444 00:23:15,867 --> 00:23:19,266 I did let him start seeing his girlfriend again, 445 00:23:19,367 --> 00:23:22,667 but then after about a month or two, 446 00:23:22,667 --> 00:23:24,363 she decided she didn't want to be his girlfriend anymore. 447 00:23:24,363 --> 00:23:26,100 she decided she didn't want to be his girlfriend anymore. 448 00:23:26,166 --> 00:23:27,667 So she broke up with him. 449 00:23:29,100 --> 00:23:32,500 When this girl broke up with him, I didn't notice any 450 00:23:32,567 --> 00:23:35,667 unusual angry behavior on his part in the house, 451 00:23:35,767 --> 00:23:40,900 but I guess he felt the need to express his anger, 452 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,100 his frustration, his stress. 453 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,100 Both my first wife and I, we were at work when 454 00:23:46,166 --> 00:23:47,133 this happened. 455 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,500 So we didn't find out about the voicemail 456 00:23:50,567 --> 00:23:53,100 until we got home and checked the answering machine. 457 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:54,363 YOUNG MAN: Tyler, what the hell is the matter with you? 458 00:23:54,363 --> 00:23:55,667 YOUNG MAN: Tyler, what the hell is the matter with you? 459 00:23:55,667 --> 00:23:57,200 You think this is funny? 460 00:23:57,300 --> 00:24:00,266 EUGENE: The girlfriend's older brother called my house 461 00:24:00,266 --> 00:24:03,000 and left a message on our voicemail 462 00:24:03,100 --> 00:24:05,667 that if Tyler came anywhere near his sister, 463 00:24:05,767 --> 00:24:07,867 he was going to come over and kill him. 464 00:24:07,967 --> 00:24:10,266 YOUNG MAN: I promise you'll regret it. 465 00:24:11,700 --> 00:24:14,200 EUGENE: I thought, what the hell is this? 466 00:24:14,266 --> 00:24:17,367 Why is this guy having death threats against my son? 467 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,166 So we called the police. 468 00:24:22,567 --> 00:24:24,363 So the police went out, talked to the brother. 469 00:24:24,363 --> 00:24:25,567 So the police went out, talked to the brother. 470 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,166 Tyler had written a very violent poem called Eviscerate . 471 00:24:34,266 --> 00:24:37,500 They brought it back to our house 472 00:24:37,567 --> 00:24:40,300 to show us what Tyler had written. 473 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,100 Here's what the poem says. 474 00:24:42,166 --> 00:24:44,900 "Kill the bitch, the snitch, the witch, 475 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,867 "just to watch her lifeless body twitch, 476 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,000 "just to scratch my murderous itch. 477 00:24:51,066 --> 00:24:53,567 "Her dying breath is my every last wish. 478 00:24:53,667 --> 00:24:54,363 "Eviscerate, stab, gouge, and slice. 479 00:24:54,363 --> 00:24:57,200 "Eviscerate, stab, gouge, and slice. 480 00:24:57,266 --> 00:25:00,600 It would be so nice as to end your life." 481 00:25:02,100 --> 00:25:04,900 They should have never let me out of my cage, 482 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,166 skilled with blades, filled with rage. 483 00:25:08,266 --> 00:25:10,467 I hope you fear the words I say. 484 00:25:10,567 --> 00:25:13,700 Someday, you'll pay for your cold ways. 485 00:25:19,100 --> 00:25:22,867 This poem got Tyler in a lot of trouble. 486 00:25:22,867 --> 00:25:24,363 The poem was not as troubling to me as it was to his mother. 487 00:25:24,363 --> 00:25:26,800 The poem was not as troubling to me as it was to his mother. 488 00:25:26,867 --> 00:25:31,166 His mother was very distraught over this. 489 00:25:31,166 --> 00:25:34,266 She couldn't comprehend this level of anger 490 00:25:34,367 --> 00:25:36,300 that was coming out on this paper. 491 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,867 But I didn't expect my son to actually act on it. 492 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,266 He likes to do shocking things. 493 00:25:42,367 --> 00:25:44,400 I'd done something similar 494 00:25:44,467 --> 00:25:48,367 when I was in the 12th grade in boarding school. 495 00:25:48,467 --> 00:25:50,467 I wrote poems like this. 496 00:25:50,567 --> 00:25:53,567 I wrote out my pain in very dark language. 497 00:25:53,667 --> 00:25:54,363 So I saw this from 498 00:25:54,363 --> 00:25:55,300 So I saw this from 499 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,166 the perspective that this is just emotional pain. 500 00:25:59,266 --> 00:26:01,767 The last couple sentences, it says, 501 00:26:01,867 --> 00:26:05,667 "I may get carried away with the words I say. 502 00:26:05,767 --> 00:26:09,600 It's just the way I cope with this heartbroken pain." 503 00:26:09,700 --> 00:26:13,767 So from my perspective, these are just big scary words. 504 00:26:14,967 --> 00:26:18,767 This is not meant to be a real death threat. 505 00:26:18,767 --> 00:26:23,467 He's not really going on some kind of a hacking rampage. 506 00:26:23,567 --> 00:26:24,363 Tyler should not have done this. 507 00:26:24,363 --> 00:26:24,867 Tyler should not have done this. 508 00:26:24,967 --> 00:26:26,900 This was a very bad idea. 509 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,667 But this did not mean Tyler was 510 00:26:29,767 --> 00:26:31,767 actually gonna kill the ex-girlfriend. 511 00:26:37,767 --> 00:26:40,500 My son, Tyler, there were periods of time 512 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,266 when he was very troublesome to deal with. 513 00:26:44,266 --> 00:26:47,266 One day, I found some marijuana plants in the closet, 514 00:26:47,367 --> 00:26:48,867 his closet, 515 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,667 and I told him I'm gonna have to get rid of these. 516 00:26:51,667 --> 00:26:54,367 And he said, "If you do that, 517 00:26:54,467 --> 00:26:56,500 that will be a huge mistake." 518 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:03,166 Then he taunted me by saying there was a weapon in the house 519 00:27:03,166 --> 00:27:05,760 that was probably going to be used against me, 520 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:06,100 that was probably going to be used against me, 521 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,300 and that scared me. 522 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,600 It's in here. 523 00:27:09,700 --> 00:27:11,066 So I called the police. 524 00:27:11,066 --> 00:27:12,900 They got a search warrant for his room. 525 00:27:14,900 --> 00:27:16,166 They searched his room, 526 00:27:16,266 --> 00:27:17,867 but they didn't find anything. 527 00:27:17,967 --> 00:27:20,166 The room's clean. There's nothing we can do here. 528 00:27:20,266 --> 00:27:21,867 EUGENE: There was no weapon there. 529 00:27:28,467 --> 00:27:31,867 So after the police left, I thought, you know what? 530 00:27:31,967 --> 00:27:35,760 I bet he put that pistol in my bedroom just to piss me off. 531 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:36,367 I bet he put that pistol in my bedroom just to piss me off. 532 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,000 And sure enough, I checked behind the headboards, 533 00:27:44,266 --> 00:27:46,367 and there was a brand-new pistol. 534 00:27:48,266 --> 00:27:51,667 So obviously Tyler was ramping up his willingness 535 00:27:51,767 --> 00:27:55,066 to be violent, and that was very scary. 536 00:27:55,066 --> 00:27:59,000 So I took the pistol, I took it apart into two pieces, 537 00:27:59,066 --> 00:28:00,700 the clip and the body, and I threw them 538 00:28:00,767 --> 00:28:05,266 in the trash can at work over the next two days, 539 00:28:05,367 --> 00:28:05,760 uh, 'cause I didn't know what else to do with it, 540 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,667 uh, 'cause I didn't know what else to do with it, 541 00:28:07,767 --> 00:28:10,266 and nothing came of it after that. 542 00:28:10,266 --> 00:28:11,467 He didn't say anything about it. 543 00:28:11,567 --> 00:28:13,100 I didn't say anything about it. 544 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,000 So it's kind of a battle of wills. 545 00:28:16,100 --> 00:28:18,900 I thought, well, this is just one other miserable thing 546 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,266 I'm about to write in my diary, and there are a couple of 547 00:28:21,367 --> 00:28:23,367 places in my diary where I wrote, 548 00:28:23,467 --> 00:28:25,467 I hate God, 549 00:28:25,567 --> 00:28:26,800 because God's not doing very much 550 00:28:26,900 --> 00:28:28,667 to stop all this crap, 551 00:28:28,767 --> 00:28:31,467 and I'm very frustrated by it. 552 00:28:31,567 --> 00:28:33,467 But if you're angry with God, 553 00:28:33,567 --> 00:28:35,166 who else you gonna turn to? 554 00:28:35,266 --> 00:28:35,760 So I just pray to God to keep my family safe every day. 555 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,266 So I just pray to God to keep my family safe every day. 556 00:28:40,100 --> 00:28:41,400 Hope for the best. 557 00:28:49,667 --> 00:28:53,367 Tyler went to Kentucky when he was 18 to the military. 558 00:28:53,467 --> 00:28:54,500 I breathed a big sigh of relief 559 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,100 that he'd gone into the Army, 560 00:28:56,166 --> 00:28:58,000 that maybe they're able to knock some 561 00:28:58,066 --> 00:29:00,767 sense into him, as they say. 562 00:29:00,867 --> 00:29:05,000 And indeed, his behavior did get a lot better. 563 00:29:05,100 --> 00:29:05,760 When Tyler came back from the Army, 564 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:06,867 When Tyler came back from the Army, 565 00:29:06,967 --> 00:29:08,600 he really cleaned up his life. 566 00:29:08,700 --> 00:29:11,166 He is a much better person. 567 00:29:11,266 --> 00:29:13,100 He's much easier to live with. 568 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:14,767 He's much more responsible. 569 00:29:14,867 --> 00:29:17,567 Obviously, the Army has -- has taught him 570 00:29:17,667 --> 00:29:18,934 some self-discipline. 571 00:29:28,967 --> 00:29:33,367 The most violent incident I've experienced with my son Tyler, 572 00:29:33,367 --> 00:29:35,400 it was about 2010. 573 00:29:36,767 --> 00:29:38,867 My ex has already divorced me. 574 00:29:38,967 --> 00:29:41,700 She's left, I'm staying in the house 575 00:29:41,767 --> 00:29:44,667 with Tyler and his sister. 576 00:29:44,767 --> 00:29:46,100 It was on a Saturday night. 577 00:29:46,166 --> 00:29:51,567 He and his friends were drinking, um, out on the patio. 578 00:29:51,667 --> 00:29:53,867 Um, I'd gone to bed. 579 00:29:53,867 --> 00:29:56,066 My daughter had her boyfriend over. 580 00:29:56,066 --> 00:29:59,467 The boyfriend had hit my daughter the year before, 581 00:29:59,567 --> 00:30:02,266 so that made Tyler very angry. 582 00:30:02,367 --> 00:30:04,867 I'm asleep in my bedroom, but I hear all 583 00:30:04,967 --> 00:30:05,760 this very loud yelling and commotion 584 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:06,967 this very loud yelling and commotion 585 00:30:06,967 --> 00:30:08,767 and slamming things around. 586 00:30:10,066 --> 00:30:13,000 So I got up, opened up my bedroom door, 587 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,266 and I see that two of Tyler's friends 588 00:30:18,367 --> 00:30:21,500 had grabbed the boyfriend, dragged him out 589 00:30:21,567 --> 00:30:24,767 of bed, and they're now pounding on him, 590 00:30:24,867 --> 00:30:26,867 and they're beating on him with their fists. 591 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,200 I see that, and I'm not gonna allow that to happen. 592 00:30:34,300 --> 00:30:35,760 I ran over there and said, "You get off of him right now." 593 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:36,667 I ran over there and said, "You get off of him right now." 594 00:30:36,667 --> 00:30:38,367 That's enough! All of you, get outside! 595 00:30:38,467 --> 00:30:39,767 You stay the hell out of it! 596 00:30:39,867 --> 00:30:43,000 I started to grab one of the guys to pull him off. 597 00:30:43,100 --> 00:30:46,867 Tyler is standing in the doorway into the hall. 598 00:30:46,867 --> 00:30:49,066 So he's seeing me do this. 599 00:30:49,066 --> 00:30:51,500 He takes a couple steps towards me, 600 00:30:51,567 --> 00:30:56,400 grabs ahold of me, and slams me against the hallway wall, 601 00:30:56,467 --> 00:30:59,467 and he pins my shoulders back to the wall. 602 00:30:59,567 --> 00:31:02,166 He's cussing, yelling, and screaming at me. 603 00:31:02,266 --> 00:31:04,600 What are you gonna do, huh? What?! 604 00:31:04,667 --> 00:31:05,760 EUGENE: And just all of his pent-up hatred 605 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,066 EUGENE: And just all of his pent-up hatred 606 00:31:07,166 --> 00:31:09,000 for all these many years, 607 00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:12,567 he's just exploding with rage. 608 00:31:12,667 --> 00:31:14,567 He took his fist, and he slammed it in the wall 609 00:31:14,667 --> 00:31:17,567 near my face once, maybe twice. 610 00:31:17,667 --> 00:31:20,000 I was quite scared. 611 00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:22,367 I didn't know where this was gonna go. 612 00:31:22,367 --> 00:31:23,667 It looked to me like I might 613 00:31:23,767 --> 00:31:25,600 end up with some broken bones or something. 614 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,867 There was very little I could do about it. 615 00:31:28,967 --> 00:31:30,867 My son was stronger than I was. 616 00:31:30,967 --> 00:31:33,000 Come on, old man. Let's see it. 617 00:31:33,100 --> 00:31:34,000 Let's see what you're made of! 618 00:31:34,100 --> 00:31:35,760 And fortunately for me, 619 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:36,066 And fortunately for me, 620 00:31:36,066 --> 00:31:37,800 one of the bigger guys who'd been beating up 621 00:31:37,867 --> 00:31:40,500 on the boyfriend 622 00:31:40,567 --> 00:31:43,767 turned to Tyler and says, "Tyler, that's your dad. 623 00:31:43,867 --> 00:31:46,100 You can't talk to your dad like that." 624 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:55,467 So his -- his intervention caused my son to stop. 625 00:31:57,166 --> 00:31:59,066 That was a very scary night. 626 00:31:59,166 --> 00:32:01,400 I had no idea which way that was gonna go. 627 00:32:01,500 --> 00:32:05,760 The police came out, but Tyler and his two friends 628 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:06,300 The police came out, but Tyler and his two friends 629 00:32:06,367 --> 00:32:09,367 involved in the fight had fled the scene, 630 00:32:09,467 --> 00:32:11,367 so there was nothing police could do about it. 631 00:32:13,266 --> 00:32:15,400 He asked my forgiveness the next morning 632 00:32:15,500 --> 00:32:16,767 when he was sober, 633 00:32:16,867 --> 00:32:19,600 which I accepted his -- his forgiveness. 634 00:32:19,667 --> 00:32:24,800 I was always willing to -- to forgive and forget. 635 00:32:24,900 --> 00:32:28,166 But did I think he was gonna hurt somebody? 636 00:32:28,266 --> 00:32:30,567 Yeah. The potential was very, very high. 637 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,700 When Tyler got married to Caroline, 638 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,800 she was the love of his life. 639 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,266 My son was married in July 4, 2015. 640 00:32:50,367 --> 00:32:53,166 About 3 and 1/2 years later go by. 641 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,266 After he got his college degree, 642 00:32:57,367 --> 00:33:01,100 uh, he starts working for a computer company. 643 00:33:01,166 --> 00:33:02,667 So he's doing pretty well. 644 00:33:02,767 --> 00:33:03,900 He's making money. 645 00:33:03,967 --> 00:33:05,760 Things seem to be going great for my son and Caroline, 646 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,100 Things seem to be going great for my son and Caroline, 647 00:33:07,166 --> 00:33:08,600 but they were not going great. 648 00:33:08,700 --> 00:33:11,467 Apparently she's having intimate sexual 649 00:33:11,567 --> 00:33:13,800 exchanges on the phone and email, 650 00:33:13,900 --> 00:33:15,900 uh, to another guy, 651 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,000 and Tyler knew about this. 652 00:33:19,567 --> 00:33:22,200 And we did not learn how bad 653 00:33:22,300 --> 00:33:24,500 the situation was until the evening 654 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,667 of December 22, 2018. 655 00:33:32,166 --> 00:33:34,367 My second wife and I, we're watching a movie, 656 00:33:34,467 --> 00:33:35,760 and our doorbell rings, about 10:45 at night. 657 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,667 and our doorbell rings, about 10:45 at night. 658 00:33:38,667 --> 00:33:39,867 [doorbell rings] 659 00:33:41,567 --> 00:33:43,667 So I get up and went to the front door, 660 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,367 and my son Tyler is standing there. 661 00:33:51,266 --> 00:33:53,266 I'm quite surprised to see him. 662 00:33:53,367 --> 00:33:55,266 -Tyler. -Hey, dad. 663 00:33:55,367 --> 00:33:57,266 I invite Tyler to come in. 664 00:33:57,367 --> 00:33:58,567 He said no, no. 665 00:33:58,667 --> 00:34:01,266 He just wants to stand there at the door. 666 00:34:01,367 --> 00:34:03,867 Uh, it's very odd behavior. 667 00:34:05,367 --> 00:34:05,760 And I said, "Well - 668 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,000 And I said, "Well - 669 00:34:07,066 --> 00:34:08,967 well, what's the purpose of this visit?" 670 00:34:10,166 --> 00:34:11,066 I, um... 671 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,266 And he said, "I may have killed a man." 672 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,867 ♪♪ 673 00:34:26,567 --> 00:34:29,367 That's horrifying news. 674 00:34:30,700 --> 00:34:34,600 So, uh, I said, "What -- well, what the heck happened?" 675 00:34:34,700 --> 00:34:36,800 Then he told my wife and I 676 00:34:36,900 --> 00:34:39,100 that his wife is having an affair 677 00:34:39,166 --> 00:34:42,667 with a previous ex-boyfriend. 678 00:34:44,266 --> 00:34:46,667 That just -- just ripped his heart to pieces. 679 00:34:46,767 --> 00:34:48,755 So now he has to decide what to do about it. 680 00:34:48,755 --> 00:34:49,000 So now he has to decide what to do about it. 681 00:35:06,867 --> 00:35:10,166 So Tyler used Caroline's phone, texted Justin, 682 00:35:10,266 --> 00:35:11,867 the ex-boyfriend 683 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,867 that was having an affair with his wife, Caroline, 684 00:35:14,967 --> 00:35:17,266 that Saturday afternoon, 685 00:35:17,266 --> 00:35:18,755 said, "I'd like to meet you again." 686 00:35:18,755 --> 00:35:19,166 said, "I'd like to meet you again." 687 00:35:42,667 --> 00:35:45,000 Justin got the text, thought it was Caroline, 688 00:35:45,100 --> 00:35:46,667 agreed to the meet. 689 00:35:46,767 --> 00:35:48,500 Tyler said he went out to meet him... 690 00:36:05,266 --> 00:36:07,867 He brought a bat with him to this meeting, 691 00:36:07,967 --> 00:36:10,166 but he'd also brought his Glock pistol. 692 00:36:27,867 --> 00:36:31,166 He said, well, all you did was shoot at the car, 693 00:36:31,266 --> 00:36:34,867 so surely you must have missed. 694 00:36:34,967 --> 00:36:36,867 You weren't trying to shoot him. 695 00:36:51,166 --> 00:36:52,200 We said, 696 00:36:52,266 --> 00:36:55,166 "Why don't you come in, spend the night with us, 697 00:36:55,266 --> 00:36:58,500 and we'll contact the police in the morning?" 698 00:36:59,500 --> 00:37:00,667 He said no. 699 00:37:00,767 --> 00:37:03,567 He said he wanted to see his sister. 700 00:37:03,667 --> 00:37:05,200 We didn't try to stop him, 701 00:37:05,266 --> 00:37:08,700 so he left, told us that he loved us. 702 00:37:09,867 --> 00:37:12,100 The next day, I received a call 703 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,100 from my daughter early in the morning. 704 00:37:14,867 --> 00:37:18,755 Very emotional, that the police had come to her house 705 00:37:18,755 --> 00:37:18,900 Very emotional, that the police had come to her house 706 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,367 and had arrested Tyler. 707 00:37:22,867 --> 00:37:24,300 That's how we found out about it. 708 00:37:31,567 --> 00:37:40,400 ♪♪ 709 00:37:40,500 --> 00:37:43,767 My first face-to-face encounter with Tyler 710 00:37:43,867 --> 00:37:45,367 after the murder, 711 00:37:45,467 --> 00:37:48,755 I went down on one of the visiting days to see him. 712 00:37:48,755 --> 00:37:50,367 I went down on one of the visiting days to see him. 713 00:37:50,367 --> 00:37:55,166 He was not particularly sorry about having killed him. 714 00:37:55,166 --> 00:37:59,100 He felt the laws needed to be changed, 715 00:37:59,166 --> 00:38:02,667 that if a man has an affair with your wife, 716 00:38:02,767 --> 00:38:05,200 you, as the man, have the right to kill the man. 717 00:38:06,900 --> 00:38:11,100 He doesn't have any emotional impact that he's killed a man. 718 00:38:11,166 --> 00:38:13,867 He just has the logic and the reason. 719 00:38:13,967 --> 00:38:17,400 He's having an affair with my wife, he got what he deserved. 720 00:38:17,500 --> 00:38:18,755 So he felt justified. 721 00:38:18,755 --> 00:38:19,700 So he felt justified. 722 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,567 But I don't believe my son intended to kill Justin. 723 00:38:22,667 --> 00:38:24,367 I say that for a couple reasons. 724 00:38:24,367 --> 00:38:28,400 One, if the purpose of my son was to kill Justin outright, 725 00:38:28,467 --> 00:38:31,200 he just would have walked up to the car, opened the door, 726 00:38:31,300 --> 00:38:32,400 and shot him in the head. 727 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:35,767 And he certainly knew he wasn't 728 00:38:35,767 --> 00:38:37,600 gonna get away with killing him. 729 00:38:37,667 --> 00:38:39,367 This is a suburban neighborhood. 730 00:38:39,467 --> 00:38:41,867 A lot of people are going to hear and see. 731 00:38:41,867 --> 00:38:45,400 So it wasn't his purpose to kill him in my opinion. 732 00:38:49,867 --> 00:38:53,467 But I was at the court when he had his court case, 733 00:38:53,467 --> 00:38:56,066 so I got to hear all the evidence, 734 00:38:56,066 --> 00:38:58,367 and one of the things that came out in the -- 735 00:38:58,467 --> 00:39:01,500 in the court trial is one of the things that Tyler 736 00:39:01,567 --> 00:39:03,367 said to his wife. 737 00:39:03,467 --> 00:39:07,266 She must have asked him, "Well, what if you end up 738 00:39:07,367 --> 00:39:08,600 killing him?" 739 00:39:08,700 --> 00:39:12,567 And -- and Tyler said to her, "If I kill him, I kill him." 740 00:39:14,100 --> 00:39:18,100 Tyler got a bottle of bleach from the house 741 00:39:18,166 --> 00:39:18,755 and he says to her, "The Clorox is to clean up 742 00:39:18,755 --> 00:39:20,867 and he says to her, "The Clorox is to clean up 743 00:39:20,967 --> 00:39:24,867 the blood from when I shoot him or kill him." 744 00:39:26,667 --> 00:39:29,567 And that was one of the things that led the judge 745 00:39:29,567 --> 00:39:33,000 to, uh, say that Tyler had no remorse, 746 00:39:33,066 --> 00:39:36,867 that this was first-degree murder, premeditated. 747 00:39:36,867 --> 00:39:38,900 And that's why the jury leaned 748 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,166 that direction for a first-degree murder. 749 00:39:53,467 --> 00:39:55,900 As I look back over my life 750 00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:00,066 and ask myself what could I have done different, 751 00:40:00,166 --> 00:40:03,100 I should have been actively involved with Tyler. 752 00:40:03,166 --> 00:40:06,266 The 10 Commandments says, "Thou shalt not kill." 753 00:40:06,367 --> 00:40:10,467 So my son has done a very terrible thing, 754 00:40:10,467 --> 00:40:12,667 not just to Justin and his family, 755 00:40:12,667 --> 00:40:16,900 uh, but he's broken one of God's significant laws. 756 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:18,755 I'm personally convinced that the demons, 757 00:40:18,755 --> 00:40:20,100 I'm personally convinced that the demons, 758 00:40:20,166 --> 00:40:23,900 so to speak, had probably whispered in his ear 759 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,066 to confront Justin and probably 760 00:40:27,166 --> 00:40:29,300 whispered in his ear to shoot him. 761 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,100 So that was what I call Satan's trap. 762 00:40:40,066 --> 00:40:41,266 However... 763 00:40:41,367 --> 00:40:45,000 my son has now made a very strong connection with God. 764 00:40:45,100 --> 00:40:47,767 Once Tyler got in jail, 765 00:40:47,767 --> 00:40:48,755 he took his relationship with God very serious, 766 00:40:48,755 --> 00:40:51,667 he took his relationship with God very serious, 767 00:40:51,667 --> 00:40:54,266 and I'm encouraged that he's a peaceful inmate. 768 00:40:54,367 --> 00:40:57,000 He is respecting the rules. 769 00:40:57,100 --> 00:40:59,066 He has learned that there are 770 00:40:59,166 --> 00:41:02,000 very bad consequences for bad behavior. 771 00:41:02,100 --> 00:41:06,467 So even though Satan has succeeded in getting my son 772 00:41:06,567 --> 00:41:07,800 put in jail, 773 00:41:07,900 --> 00:41:11,166 God is now winning the battle in my son's life. 774 00:41:11,266 --> 00:41:15,767 So I'm confident my son gets to go to heaven. 775 00:41:17,300 --> 00:41:18,755 God is very willing to forgive all of us for really, 776 00:41:18,755 --> 00:41:20,367 God is very willing to forgive all of us for really, 777 00:41:20,467 --> 00:41:23,467 really bad things, but you are not exempt 778 00:41:23,567 --> 00:41:25,300 from the consequences.