>>> WE WANT PEACE AND PROSPERITY FOR THE WORLD AS A WHOLE.
>> BEHIND ALL OF THIS IS A RECORD OF DIPLOMATIC MOVEMENT
AND ACCOMPLISHMENT.
>> AMERICA HAS BEEN A FORCE OF PEACE AND PROSPERITY.
>> WE ARE SUPPORTED BY THE COLLECTIVE WILL OF THE WORLD.
>> THE WORLD'S GREATEST ALLIANCE IS AS STRONG AS IT'S EVER BEEN.
>>> FROM THIS DAY FORWARD, IT'S GOING TO BE ONLY AMERICA FIRST.
AMERICA FIRST.
>> WE GIVE DONALD TRUMP FOUR MORE YEARS, WE'LL HAVE A GREAT
DEAL OF DIFFICULTY OF EVER BEING ABLE TO RECOVER AMERICA'S
STANDING IN THE WORLD. WE CAN'T LET THAT HAPPEN.
>> PRESIDENT BIDEN BRINGS AMERICAN DIPLOMACY BACK TO THE
WORLD STAGE.
>> YOU CAN ALMOST HEAR THE AUDIBLE SIGH OF RELIEF FROM
BIDEN'S FELLOW LEADERS.
>> THEY ARE ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THE PRESIDENT BIDEN PRESIDENCY.
>> WE WILL REPAIR OUR ALLIANCES AND ENGAGE WITH THE WORLD ONCE
AGAIN. NOT TO MEET YESTERDAY'S
CHALLENGE, BUT TODAY'S AND TOMORROW'S.
AMERICA IS BACK.
>> AFGHANISTAN IN CHAOS FROM THE WITHDRAWAL OF U.S. TROOPS.
THE PRESIDENT STILL HAS MAJOR QUESTIONS TO ANSWER ABOUT THE
EXECUTION OF THIS WITHDRAWAL.
>> 13 AMERICAN SERVICE MEMBERS KILLED IN THE KABUL AIRPORT
TERROR ATTACK. THE DEADLIEST DAY FOR THE U.S.
IN AFGHANISTAN IN DECADES.
>> THE DIPLOMATIC CRISIS BETWEEN FRANCE AND THE U.S.
>> THE FRENCH PULLED THEIR AMBASSADOR OUT OF WASHINGTON.
>> IT WAS A REALLY SERIOUS BREACH OF TRUST.
>> THOUSANDS OF MOSTLY HAITIAN MIGRANTS IN DEL RIO.
>> THAT'S A CHALLENGING WEEK FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN.
>> FAILURES WITH REGARD TO FOREIGN POLICY.
>> THE EUROPEAN UNION SAYING YOU HAVE A CREDIBILITY PROBLEM, MR.
BIDEN.
>> I THINK THE REST OF THE WORLD IS SAYING MAYBE THIS ISN'T GOING
TO BE THE TYPE OF ADMINISTRATION THAT WE THOUGHT IT WOULD.
>> WE'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> YO, YO, YO.
>> YOLO.
>> READY? GOOD JOB.
>> I'M IN A BEER GARDEN. I'M LITERALLY DRINKING A BOOT OF
BEER.
>> I'M HAVING AN AAPERALL SPRIT.
>> CAN'T WEAR JEANS ANYWHERE. OH, THAT'S A STYLISH MAN.
>> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THERE'S A BIG FOREIGN POLICY WEEK FOR
JOE BIDEN. BIDEN COMES TO THE U.N. ON
TUESDAY. HE'S GOING TO STAND UP AND GIVE
A BIG SPEECH.
>> ALSO AT THE END OF THE WEEK, THE WHITE HOUSE IS HAVING THE
HEAD OF INDIA, JAPAN, AND AUSTRALIA COME FOR AN
EXTRAORDINARY FOUR-LEADER MEETING.
>> NINE MONTHS INTO HIS ADMINISTRATION, HE'S GOING TO
STAND UP AND SAY, ESSENTIALLY, THIS IS MY FOREIGN POLICY,
PEOPLE.
>> I THINK IT WAS JOE BIDEN'S GREATEST ASSET WAS HIS
EXPERIENCE ON THE WORLD STAGE. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S BEEN SUCH A
SHOCK TO THE SYSTEM TO SEE THAT THE ONE THING WE THOUGHT THAT
BIDEN WOULD DO BETTER THAN ANYBODY IS REALLY JUST FRACTURED
IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS.
>> YEAH.
>> IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE WAY THINGS WERE WHEN DONALD TRUMP
WENT TO THESE MEETINGS, HOW WE WOULD PISS OFF ANGELA MERKEL,
PUSH FOUR LEADERS OUT OF THE WAY.
WAS A BULL IN THE CHINA SHOP. GOT TO HELSINKI AND WAS CHUMMY
WITH PUTIN ON THE WORLD STAGE. THEN HERE COMES JOE BIDEN.
THE COMMUNITY OF NATIONS IS BACK TOGETHER.
HE KNOWS THE LANGUAGE OF DIPLOMACY.
HE'S TOUGH WITH PUTIN AND EVERYBODY'S LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE
BACK TO NORMAL. AND THEN WE HAVE THE AFGHANISTAN
WITHDRAWAL. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, THINGS
REALLY LOOKED A LOT DIFFERENT.
>> AS OF APRIL, 69% OF THE COUNTRY SAID, YEAH, BRING OUR
TROOPS HOME. I THINK A LOT WHAT SURPRISED
PEOPLE WAS THAT THE EXIT WAS SUCH A DISASTER.
>> THOSE IMAGES IN KABUL RAISED THESE QUESTIONS AROUND, WHAT'S
GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THESE REFUGEES AND WHAT'S GOING TO
HAPPEN WITH THE AFGHANS WHO GOT LEFT BEHIND?
>> AND THE RESETTLEMENT ISSUES BECOME A POLITICAL LIABILITY FOR
BIDEN IN THE COMING YEAR. RIGHT?
>> EXACTLY RIGHT.
>> A LOT OF AMERICA'S ALLIES, THEIR THING WAS NOT JUST THAT IT
WAS CHAOTIC, BUT THAT THEY DIDN'T FEEL CONSULTED.
>> AND THEN LAST WEEK, THE UNITED STATES ANNOUNCED THIS NEW
NUCLEAR POWER SUBMARINE DEAL WITH AUSTRALIA THAT THEY RIPPED
OUT FROM UNDER FRANCE. THERE WAS CONCERN THAT NOT ONLY
WAS THAT A SLAP IN THE FACE TO THE FRENCH, BUT ALSO IT SHOWED
SHIFTING ALLIANCES.
>> YEAH.
>> WE HAVE THE FRENCH FOREIGN MINISTER SAYING THIS IS A STAB
IN THE BACK.
>> THE STEADY HAND SUDDENLY LOOKS VERY UNSTEADY.
IN AFGHANISTAN. WITH FRANCE, WITH HAITIAN
REFUGEES COMING ACROSS THE BORDER.
>> THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE PICTURE THAT'S STARTING TO FORM,
WHICH IS HE SEEMS TO WANT TO GO IT ALONE JUST THE WAY DONALD
TRUMP DID.
>> I THINK WE SAW THAT BIDEN RAN ON AMERICA FIRST AND THIS WAS
GOING TO BE AN INTERNATIONALIST RETURN MORE LIKE OBAMA.
>> JOE BIDEN MAY BE AN INSTITUTIONALIST, BUT HE'S ALSO
A REALIST.
>> THERE'S A STRONG STRAIN OF AMERICAN NATIONALISM THAT LIES
AT THE HARD OF JOE BIDEN'S FOREIGN POLICY AND I THINK TWO
PEOPLE WHO BELIEVED HE WAS SOME KIND OF GET ALONG, GO ALONG
CONSENSUS BUILDER, THIS IS A RUDE, RUDE AWAKENING.
>> YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK ABOUT JOE BIDEN OVER THE COURSE OF 35
YEARS IN PUBLIC LIFE, EVEN THOUGH THE GUY'S BEEN IN THE
MIDDLE OF SO MUCH OF AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY IN THE SENATE, AS
VICE PRESIDENT, AS PRESIDENT, WHAT DOES HE BELIEVE?
HE'S NOT A CONSISTENT CONSERVATIVE?
LIBERAL, ANYTHING. AND SO THE QUESTION THAT HOVERS
OVER THIS WEEK IS WHAT THE FUCK IS THE BIDEN DOCTRINE?
>> PRESIDENT BIDEN ARRIVING IN NEW YORK JUST MINUTES AGO.
HE'S HEAD TOG HE'S HEAD TING TO A UNITED NATIS
GATHERING WHERE THE SITUATION WITH FOREIGN PARTNERS IS A BIT
ROCKY.
>> THE PRESIDENT JUGGLING MULTIPLE CRISES.
>> HE HAS TO TRY AND CALM THESE CHOPPY INTERNATIONAL WATERS.
>> EVERY SEPTEMBER, 193 MEMBER NATIONS ALL FLOOD INTO TAKE PART
IN THE UNITED NATIONS GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
MANHATTAN BECOMES A PARKING LOT. THE ATMOSPHERE HERE IS A MARK
MARKEDLY DIFFERENT ONE THAN THE LAST TIME.
BIDEN ARRIVES TODAY WITH A LOT ON HIS PLATE.
IT'S LIKE A FIRST CHANCE FOR HIM TO REALLY ARTICULATE WHAT THE
BIDEN DOCTRINE MIGHT BE, BUT ALSO TRY TO LIKE REASSURE A LOT
OF THESE AMERICAN ALLIES THAT I'M NOT DONALD TRUMP.
I'M NOT A UNILATERALIST. I'M THE JOE BIDEN YOU THOUGHT
YOU KNEW AND LOVED.
>> AMERICA'S ALLIES AND ENEMIES ARE WATCHING VERY CAREFULLY TO
HEAR BIDEN.
>> HIS EXCELLENTSY, PRESIDENT JOSEPH R. BIDEN JR., PRESIDENT
OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
>> I'M HERE TODAY TO SHARE WITH YOU HOW THE UNITED STATES TENDS
TO WORK WITH PARTNERS AND ALLIES.
WE'VE ENDED 20 YEAR OF CONFLICT IN AFGHANISTAN AND AS WE CLOSE
THIS PERIOD OF RELENTLESS WAR, WE'RE OPENING A NEW ERA OF
RELENTLESS DIPLOMACY. WE WILL LEAD.
WE WILL LEAD ON ALL THE GREATEST CHALLENGES OF OUR TIME, FROM
COVID TO CLIMATE, BUT WE WILL NOT GO ALONE.
WE'LL LEAD TOGETHER WITH OUR ALLIES AND PARTNERS WITH
COOPERATION AND ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE AS WE DO.
LET'S MAKE OUR BETTER FUTURE NOW.
>> PRESIDENT BIDEN, HE OUTLINED HIS WORLD VIEW AND CALLED FOR A
UNITED APPROACH.
>> THE QUESTIONS ALL REVOLVE AROUND WHAT IS HE GOING TO DO
ABOUT IT?
>> IT IS A WHIRLWIND DAY OF FOREIGN DIPLOMACY FOR PRESIDENT
BIDEN. JUST LANDED AT THE WHITE HOUSE
WHERE HE'S MEETING WITH BORIS JOHNSON, THE BRITISH PRIME
MINISTER, WHO HAD BEEN CRITICAL OF THE WITHDRAWAL FROM
AFGHANISTAN, BUT NOW IS IN ALLIANCE WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN
OVER THE NUCLEAR SUBMARINE DEAL THAT HAS FRANCE ALL PISSED OFF.
I THINK DAMAGE HAS BEEN DONE AND HOW MUCH REPAIR CAN THE
PRESIDENT DO.
>> I UNDERSTAND, BORIS, YOU CAME DOWN ON AMTRAK, IS THAT RIGHT.
>> I DID.
>> IF I WERE A CONDUCTOR, I'D BE NUMBER ONE IN SENIORITY.
>> JOE, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US AND WE WANT TO RENEW AND
STRENGTHEN OUR TRANSATLANTIC BOND AND IT FEELS TO ME LIKE
IT'S GOING VERY, VERY WELL.
>> THE U.S. TODAY FACING DUALING IMMIGRATION CRISIS AS THEY FACE
TO RESETTLE REFUGEES. STUNNING IMAGES ARE NOW EMERGING
FROM THE SOUTHERN BORDER.
>> A DEVASTATING EARTHQUAKE STRUCK HAITI WEEKS AGO.
MANY WERE TRYING TO SEEK ASYLUM.
>> A NUMBER OF AGENTS ON HORSEBACK CAN BE SEEN
THREATENING THEM WITH HORSE'S REIGNS OR ROPE.
>> THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IS DEFENDING ITS DEPORTATION
EFFORTS.
>> THE ADMINISTRATION GETTING PUSHBACK FROM DEMOCRATS.
>> I URGE PRESIDENT BIDEN AND THE SECRETARY TO IMMEDIATELY PUT
A STOP TO THESE EXPULSIONS.
>> I'M PISSED. WE ARE FOLLOWING THE TRUMP
POLICY. HE IS THE ONE THAT DOES NOT
FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTION. WHAT THE HELL ARE WE DOING HERE?
>> THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION MUST IMMEDIATELY AND INDEFINITELY
HALT ALL DEPORTATION OF HAITIAN MIGRANTS.
WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO THIS RIGHT.
WE SIMPLY NEED THE POLITICAL WILL.
>> GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE TALK WITH THE GUY WHO RUNS THE
INTERNATIONAL RESCUE COMMITTEE. DAVID MILLIBAN.
HE WAS FOR A LONG TIME, ONE OF THE LEADING FIGURES IN THE LABOR
PARTY OF BRITAIN FROM 2007 TO 2010, HE WAS THE BRITISH FOREIGN
SECRETARY. SO IN ADDITION TO KNOWING A LOT
ABOUT THE REFUGEE CRISIS THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW, HE'S ALSO A
GUY THAT'S BEEN A STUDENT AND PARTICIPATING IN TRANSATLANTIC
AND POLITICS.
>> SHOWTIME MADE IT SHOWTIME.
>> OVERDRESSED. I MEAN, I WOULD SAY MAYBE THE
LANYARD IS A LITTLE BIT MUCH. YOU WERE DEALING WITH CONSTANT
REFUGEE CRISIS ALL AROUND THE WORLD, BUT HERE, WE HAVE THIS
HAITIAN REFUGEE CRISIS. HOW HAS THAT UNFOLDED FROM YOUR
PERSPECTIVE AND HOW HAS THE HAVE THEY DEALT WITH IT?
>> UNLESS YOU'RE ABLE TO PROCESS CASES QUICKLY, IN GERMANY, EIGHT
WEEKS. IN AMERICA, THREE TO FOUR YEARS.
UNLESS YOU RUN THE SYSTEM EFFICIENTLY, YOU CAN'T RUN IT
FAIRLY.
>> WITH THESE HAITIAN REFUGEES, I THINK ANYONE WITH COMMON
SENSE, BACK TO HAITI IS A HORRIFIC OUTCOME, YET THEY'RE
GOING TO SEND THESE PEOPLE BACK.
>> EVERY PERSON WHO CLAIMS ASYLUM IN INTERNATIONAL LAW HAS
A RIGHT TO HAVE THEIR CASE PROPERLY AND PERSONALLY DEALT
WITH AND WE THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT WITH US FOLLOWING
THROUGH. AMERICA IS RICH ENOUGH AND
EFFICIENT ENOUGH TO ORGANIZE THAT.
>> DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THAT'S HAPPENING.
>> IT'S NOT, NO. WE WOULD ARGUE IT NEEDS TO
HAPPEN.
>> I FIND THE FACT THAT THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IS IN COURT
TRYING TO UPHOLD TITLE 42, I FIND THAT SORT OF SHOCKING.
>> TITLE 42, THAT'S A TRUMP ERA POLICY, ALLOWING FOR IMMEDIATE
DEPORTATION FOR SOME MIGRANTS DUE TO THE COVID PANDEMIC.
>> I DON'T WANT TO FALL INTO EITHER BRITISH UNDERSTATEMENT OR
DIPLOMATIC, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY AN UNEXPECTED SITUATION THAT WE
FIND OURSELVES IN AT THE MOMENT. AND WE'RE A HUMANITARIAN
ORGANIZATION THAT FEELS VERY STRONGLY THAT WHEN AMERICA FAILS
TO UPHOLD INTERNATIONAL NORMS AND OBLIGATIONS THEN ALL SORTS
OF BAD ACTORS FOLLOW AND FAIL TO DO SO AS WELL.
>> I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT THE WAY THAT BIDEN RAN AGAINST
DONALD TRUMP, WE'RE GOING TO BE ALLIES, IT'S NOT AN AMERICA
FIRST ADMINISTRATION. THE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED
SUBSEQUENT TO THAT HAVE MADE PEOPLE ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS
ABOUT WHETHER THEY GOT JOE BIDEN WRONG.
FRENCH PRIME MINISTER SAYING BIDEN IS TRUMP WITHOUT THE
TWEETS. DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO YOU
THERE'S MORE CONTINUITY BETWEEN BIDEN AND TRUMP THAN THERE IS
BETWEEN BIDEN AND OBAMA?
>> NO, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT LENS THROUGH WHICH TO SEE
THIS. IT'S NOT AMERICA FIRST.
AMERICA FIRST WAS ISOLATIONIST. I DON'T THINK IT'S A
TRANSACTIONAL ADMINISTRATION, BUT THE ADMINISTRATION NEEDS TO
FIND WAYS TO SHOW WHAT IT MEANS.
>> SO BIDEN COMES HERE FOR THE NGO.
AS YOU LISTEN TO THAT SPEECH AND WHAT WHAT YOU'VE WATCHED, THE
QUESTION PEOPLE HAVE ASKED, IS THERE A BIDEN DOCTRINE?
IF THERE IS ONE, CAN YOU ARTICULATE WHAT YOU THINK THE
ARTICULATE WHAT YOU THINK TIT I?
>> I THINK THE ELEMENTS OF A BIDEN DOCTRINE ARE ONE, THE
WORLD IS CONNECTED AND SO WE HAVE TO SOLVE COMMON PROBLEMS
TOGETHER. TWO, LIBERAL DEMOCRACY IS TLET
TWO, LIBERAL DEMOCRACY IS TL THREATENED AS NEVER BEFORE.
IT'S A MINORITY SPORT. 50% OF THE WORLD'S POPULATION IN
FULLY DEMOCRATIC COUNTRIES. THREE, THE PROBLEMS OF A GLOBAL
INTERCONNECTEDNESS AND THE PROBLEMS OF A RISE OF
AUTHORITARIAN AUTHORITA
AUTHORITARIANISM NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
HE'S GOING TO NEED TO WORK OUT THE DIFFERENT ASSETS THAT
AMERICA HAS FROM HIS OWN INTERNAL STRENGTH AND HIS
ALLIES. THAT'S WHAT THE NEXT FEW YEARS
ARE ALL ABOUT.
>> WATCHING THE AFGHANISTAN THING UNFOLD IN AUGUST, DID YOU
THINK TO YOURSELF, THIS CHANGES MY PERCEPTION OF THE CONFIDENCE
LEVEL OF THE ADMINISTRATION?
>> MY PER PERSPECTIVE IS THAT HE TOOK A BOLD DECISION.
>> BALLSY.
>> HE TOOK A BOLD DECISION. WE'RE LIVING WITH THE
CONSEQUENCES OF THE SHEER BOLDNESS.
>> YES.
>> THERE ARE 95,000 AFGHAN REFUGEES THE U.S. HAS DECIDED
THEY WILL ACCOMMODATE IN THE UNITED STATES BETWEEN NOW AND
SEPTEMBER OF NEXT YEAR. SO FAR, 37,000 HAVE MADE THEIR
WAY TO THE UNITED STATES AND THEY'RE BEING PLACED IN 46
STATES. VIRGINIA WILL GET ABOUT 1100 OF
THEM. 1100 MAY NOT SOUND LIKE A HUGE
NUMBER, BUT THE URGENCY AND THE COMPLEXITY OF THE TASK CAN'T BE
OVERSTATED.
>> WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO START IN THE BACK.
>> THIS IS THE HOUSEHOLD ITEM.
>> THESE ARE LIKE, YOU KNOW, BABIES.
REALLY LITTLE.
>> YES. YES.
WE HAVE FAMILIES WITH LIKE ALL DIFFERENT AGES BEING PROCESSED.
>> THIS IS A PRETTY MASSIVE OPERATION.
>> IT IS. YEAH.
>> DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE IT WAS GOING TO BE THIS BIG?
>> NO, WE DIDN'T.
>> WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE INDIVIDUALS HELPING RIGHT NOW
ARE NOT THE ONLY INDIVIDUALS WE'RE GOING TO BE HELPING.
THERE ARE GOING TO BE THOUSANDS MORE THAT ARE GOING TO ARRIVE IN
THE NEXT COMING MONTHS.
>> MY MOM WAS AN IMMIGRANT AND HAD TO LEAVE HER COUNTRY.
I REMEMBER SHE HELD ON TO THESE LITTLE OBJECTS SHE WAS GIVEN
WHEN SHE FIRST CAME TO THE UNITED STATES.
THESE PEOPLE HAVE LEFT WITH NOTHING.
AND SO THE EMOTIONAL IMPACT OF A CHILDREN'S BOOK OR A TOY IS KIND
OF PROFOUND.
>> YEAH. THEY'RE REALLY APPRECIATIVE.
A LOT OF THEM MAY NOT KNOW WHERE SOME OF THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS ARE
BACK IN AFGHANISTAN, SO ANY WAYS THAT WE CAN KEEP THEIR MORALE
HIGH IS ALSO REALLY IMPORTANT.
>> DID IT SURPRISE YOU THAT THE TALIBAN COULD TAKE AFGHANISTAN
SO QUICKLY?
>> ISLAMIC --
>> NOBODY IN AFGHANISTAN, NOT THE PEOPLE, NOT THE GOVERNMENT
WERE EXPECTING THAT EVERYTHING WAS GOING TO HAPPEN SO FAST.
WE DIDN'T EXPECT THE U.S. GOING TO LEAVE AFGHANISTAN WITHOUT ANY
NOTIFICATION BEFORE. EVERYTHING HAPPENED SO SUDDENLY.
>> WHAT DO YOU REMEMBER ABOUT LEAVING AND WHAT DID YOU LEAVE
BEHIND? [ SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE ]
>> I LEFT EVERYTHING. AND I WAS NOT ABLE TO SAY
GOOD-BYE TO MY TWO BROTHERS AND WE WERE NOT ABLE TO TAKE THEM
WITH US.
>> HOW OLD ARE THEY?
>> ONE IS 23 YEARS OLD. ONE IS 22 YEARS.
>> AND ARE YOU ABLE TO BE IN CONTACT WITH THEM?
>> CONTACT WITH THEM, IF THE TALIBAN KNOWS THAT THEIR PARENTS
ARE LIVING THE UNITED STATES, THEY'LL LIKELY BE -- SO THEY ARE
JUST NOT STAY NG JUST NOT STAY ING IN ONE PLACE.
WHEN THEY HAVE INTERNET ACCESS, I CAN HAVE CONTACT WITH THEM.
[ SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE ]
>> I CAN FEEL IT. I KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO BE AWAY
FROM YOUR CHILD.
>> WHEN YOU DO TALK TO YOUR SONS, BEFORE YOU HANG UP THE
PHONE, WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THEM? [ SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE ]
>> BEFORE I HANG UP THE PHONE IS JUST PLEASE TAKE CARE OF
YOURSELF. [ SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE ]
YOU HAVE NO PARENTS WITH YOU. ONE PARENT, I GIVE YOU BACK
HERE.
>> WE'RE COMING OFF OF A REALLY DRAMATIC MONTH WHEN IT COMES TO
AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY. NOT ONLY WAS FRANCE BLIND SIDED
BY THIS DEAL, THEY WERE HUMILIATED.
BUT AT THE ROOT OF WHY FRANCE FREAKED AT IS EVERYTHING IS
SHIFTING SHIFT
SHIFTING. BIDEN IS USHERING IN THIS NEW
WORLD ORDER WHERE AUSTRALIA HAS THIS REALLY HIGH PROMISE.
SO WE'VE COME TO LONDON TO TALK TO THE FORMER PRIME MINISTER OF
AUSTRALIA. 2011, PRESIDENT OBAMA IS PART OF
HIS ASIA PIVOT. CREATED A NEW DEFENSE ALLIANCE
WITH AUSTRALIA UNDER GILLARD. SO A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING
COME TO FRUITION THIS WEEK STARTED UNDER HER LEADERSHIP.
>> I HAD TO BUY A NEW BLAZER FOR THIS INTERVIEW.
>> OH, REALLY? I DIDN'T WEAR A BLAZER.
I'VE TAKING THE VIEW THERE'S NO OUTFIT WITH WHICH YOU CAN'T WEAR
SNEAKERS. I'VE GONE THE COMPLETE KAMALA
HARRIS.
>> JOE BIDEN WAS VICE PRESIDENT DURING YOUR YEARS AS PRIME
MINISTER OF AUSTRALIA. WHAT WERE YOUR EXPECTATIONS OF
HOW HE WOULD ACT IN THE FOREIGN POLICY REALM?
>> I EXPECTED HIM TO EMERGE INTO THE WORLD AND TO CHANGE THE MOOD
MUSIC. YOU KNOW, THE CONCERN FROM
NATIONS AROUND THE WORLD INCLUDING MY OWN ABOUT THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION WAS THAT DAY-TO-DAY, TWEET BY TWEET, YOU
COULDN'T PREDICT WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT.
>> THE FIRST G-7 MEETING IN EUROPE.
A SENSE THAT AMERICA IS BACK WHEN IT COMES TO DIPLOMATIC
NORMS AND THEN WE HAD AFGHANISTAN.
WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF HOW THAT DECISION WAS MADE AND THE
WITHDRAWAL WENT?
>> I DON'T THINK IT WAS THE SUBSTANTIVE DECISION THAT
SURPRISED PEOPLE, BUT THE HANDLING OF IT AND I DO THINK
THERE COULD HAVE BEEN A GREATER OUTREACH AND INCLUSION IN THAT
DECISION. YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE WHO HAD
FOUGHT ALONGSIDE THE U.S. WHO HAD LOST, YOU KNOW, SOLDIERS IN
THAT COMBAT, I THINK IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A MORE, YOU KNOW,
INCLUSIVE WAY, A SHOWING OF RESPECT FOR THE REAL TRAUMA THAT
PEOPLE HAVE BEEN THROUGH.
>> THE NEXT DIPLOMATIC CRISIS FOR THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION WAS
LAST WEEK'S ANNOUNCEMENT OF THIS ALLIANCE.
WHEN THEY ANNOUNCED THIS, THE FRENCH FOREIGN MINISTER CALLS
THIS A STAB IN THE BACK. PRESIDENT BIDEN AND MACRON HAD A
CONVERSATION, THE READOUT, IF BIDEN REAFFIRMED THE STRATEGIC
IMPORTANCE OF FRANCE IN THE ENDO PACIFIC REGION.
>> ALL OF IT'S HAPPENING IN A MUCH BROADER CONTEXT WHERE
EVERYONE IN THE WORLD IS TRYING TO WORK OUT HOW TO POSITION AS
CHINA CONTINUES TO RISE, ECONOMICALLY, AS A MILITARY
POWER AND AS CHINA GOES ABOUT ITS DIPLOMACY WITH A FAIR BIT OF
FORCE. THERE'S NO DOUBT CHINA HAS
INCREASINGLY FELT THAT IT CAN TAKE NATIONS ON IF NATIONS
DISPLEASE IT IN ANY WAY. I THINK AGAINST THAT BACKDROP,
INDIVIDUAL DECISIONS CAN LAND WITH A BIT MORE FORCE BECAUSE
THERE'S ALL OF THIS GOING ON UNDERNEATH.
>> THE LEADERS OF THE SO-CALLED QUAD COUNTRIES, INDIA,
AUSTRALIA, JAPAN, AND THE U.S. WILL CONVERGE ON THE WHITE
HOUSE.
>> THE GROUP IS GATHERING TO FINALIZE A GROWING PARTNERSHIP
BETWEEN THE FOUR COUNTRIES.
>> THIS GROUP'S MET VIRTUALLY BEFORE.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN PERSON.
>> ALL LEADERS STAND UNITED WITH THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT CHINA.
>> NATIONAL SECURITY NOW IS THE DEATH OF 1,000 CUTS.
IT USED TO MEAN SOMETHING SIMPLE.
FIGHT THE COMMUNISTS, PROTECT THE AMERICAN HOMELAND, STABLE
NUCLEAR DETERRENTS WITH THE SOVIETS.
NOW THERE'S 100 LITTLE PROBLEMS AND LAND MINES THAT A PRESIDENT
CAN STEP ON EVERY DAY. IT'S A FREE FALL AND SO THE JOB
OF PRESIDENT IS THE MORE COMPLICATED IN THAT SENSE.
>> LET'S TALK ABOUT DOCTRINES. DOCTRINE IS KIND OF A PHILOSOPHY
OF YOUR APPROACH. SO I THINK GOING BACK, OF COURSE
THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION WAS WE'RE LARGE AND IN CHARGE.
>> UNITED STATES AND OUR ALLIES HAVE PREVAILED.
>> IF THERE WAS A OBAMA DOCTRINE, IT WAS THAT AMERICA'S
INFLUENCE IS TOO LARGE IN THE WORLD, TOO NEGATIVE IN TOO MANY
PLACES AND THAT WE NEED TO REDUCE OUR FOOTPRINT.
PARTICULARLY IN THE MIDDLE EAST. I THINK DONALD TRUMP'S DOCTRINE
WAS TRUMP FIRST. WHAT WORKS FOR ME.
>> I'M GOING TO MAKE OUR COUNTRY RICH AGAIN.
>> IT WAS LIKE ALLIANCES, WHO CARES.
NATO? WHO CARES.
WE'VE LOST THE TRUST AND THE CONFIDENCE OF A LOT OF OUR
ALLIES. WHAT THEN IS THE BIDEN DOCTRINE?
>> I DON'T THINK THERE IS A BIDEN DOCTRINE AND I THINK
THAT'S A GOOD THING. I THINK BIDEN APPROACHES FOREIGN
POLICY LIKE PLUMBING. AMERICANS DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO
THE PLUMBING UNTIL IT GOES WRONG AND THERE'S WATER ALL OVER THE
PLACE. SOME WAYS, THE PERSON I THINK
BIDEN IS MOST LIKE IS ACTUALLY THE FIRST GEORGE BUSH.
HE SAYS INTERNATIONAL INSTITUTIONS MATTER.
AMERICAN IMPORTANCE IN THE WORLD MATTERS.
WE HAVE TO KIND OF KEEP THIS SYSTEM OF GLOBAL TRADE AND
COOPERATION AND PEACE AND SECURITY HUMMING AND STABLE.
AND I THINK BIDEN OF THAT GENERATION, OF THAT BACKGROUND,
IS VERY MUCH IN THAT MODE.
>> HAS THE FOREIGN POLICY SORT OF CHAOS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF
WEEKS COMPLICATED WHAT HE'S TRYING TO DO IN HIS DOMESTIC
AGENDA?
>> IT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION BECAUSE I THINK WHAT BIDEN DID
WITH AFGHANISTAN IS SAY, I DON'T WANT THIS TO COMPLICATE MY
DOMESTIC AGENDA SO I'M JUST GOING TO RIP THE BAND-AID OFF
AND THEN MOVE ON SO HE DOESN'T BECOME LYNDON JOHNSON EMBROILED
IN SOMETHING WHILE HE'S TRYING TO DO THE GREAT SOCIETY.
I THINK HE DECIDED NOT TO BE THAT GUY.
>> SOME EXPECTED THAT THE DOCTRINE WAS GOING TO BE U.S.
AMERICA FIRST AND MORE OR LESS, WE'RE TOGETHER AS ALLIES.
HOW ABOUT THE EXECUTION?
>> PART OF THE POOR EXECUTION IS SAYING I'M JOE BIDEN, YOU KNOW
ME. YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M ABOUT.
WELL, YOU CAN'T CONDUCT FOREIGN POLICY BY IMPLICATION.
HE SPENT HIS WHOLE LIFE AS A SENATOR AND VICE PRESIDENT AND
THAT'S NOT THE SAME THING AS BEING A DIPLOMAT.
YOU KNOW, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO REMIND PEOPLE THIS IS WHAT WE
STAND FOR. THESE ARE THE VALUES THAT WE
HAVE. KNOWING A LOT ABOUT FOREIGN
POLICY ISN'T THE SAME THING AS BEING ADEPT AT DIPLOMACY.
STILL