Tonight, part two
of The Real Housewives of Potomac Reunion.
I stand by the fact that I think, as an adult,
at some point in time,
you do need to be responsible for yourself.
And you are not.
So, Mia, you've recently posted
that all of your businesses were taken away from you
and G by his brothers.
How can someone take a business away from the CEO?
No, so, what people don't understand-- yeah.
It looked a little embezzling.
If you don't understand business,
you don't understand business. It's on you.
What did I say that was different?
- So, Chris is a sneaky link. - And I apologize for that.
Take the apology and shove it up your ass, okay?
- Aww. - Okay, not accepted.
Yes.
And you use this show to lie on people
because you have nothing else going on.
Who-- how did I lie on Chris?
Your dwindling uterus
was waiting for you to put it on TV.
♪
Part two of the reunion starts now.
There has now become a clear pattern--
- Mmm. - Of this happening
time and time again with people's husbands--
- Oh, my God. - Where you have a problem,
but the timing always coincidentally happens
when the camera starts rolling.
- You're not smart. - Yeah, I kinda am.
Instead of talking about her uterus
and what's happening with her personal life,
she would rather malign
and (BLEEP) with people's families,
and you use this show to lie on people
because you have nothing else going on.
Who-- how did I lie on Chris?
Tell me what I said.
- Your dwindling uterus... - Tell me what I said...
...was waiting for you to put it on TV
- Tell me what I said... - ...as a storyline.
...about your husband that was a lie.
And instead of that, you sat on Karen's couch.
I told Karen the same thing.
You sat at a table with Robyn, and you said to them,
"Chris needs to apologize for what he did to me."
Yes, yes.
We are still waiting for you to tell us
- what he did to you. - Yes.
What did he do to you, Gizelle?
He made me feel uncomfortable,
is what I told you, and her, and her.
Was it that you were uncomfortable being in the room
- alone with him? - Yes!
Or that he did something
to make you feel uncomfortable?
I-I feel like this is semantics. Um--
Well, it is. No, but it is.
Semantics are very important, and you know that.
- So-so-- So I-- - It-it totally is semantics.
And you-- and that's the whole point,
is that you are playing on semantics,
- and you said-- - Okay,
he asked me this question. This is my question. Yeah.
She said she just didn't wanna be in a room
- with a married man by herself. - Okay, go on.
Candiace, I feel like you made this bigger.
- No, ma'am. - You did.
I don't feel like I made this bigger.
You could have just said, "Okay."
- Okay. - You had six months plus
to bring this to me, if it was an issue.
- That's right. - And you, purposely,
- you talked to me. - I was not going to say anything--
You played in my face. You hugged me.
- Right, right. - ...until Ashley. The end.
- You were in my space. - I-I-I don't--
I'm not gonna do this again. I'm done with it.
You waited until you had an opportunity
to sit in front of a camera one-on-one
to use an audience of millions of people--
Correct.
To make my husband look like a predator,
- and you are not-- - No, you-you did.
- Shut up. - No, I'm not gonna shut up.
- [laughing] - A predator?
- Never used that word. - You are not-- you are not--
- going to skirt around that. - Listen. You-- no, no, no,
no, no, no, no. You did make it bigger.
- I never used that word. - Because everybody in America
sees you for exactly who the (BLEEP) you are.
What's wrong with just acknowledging
that your friend felt, uh, like she was being treated
in-inappropriately by your husband,
- and you guys just move over? - No.
No, it wasn't inappropriate. It was-- I was uncomfortable.
I think you and Chris should determine what happened
when he gets out here.
So, production showed the moment
when Chris was allegedly flirting
with your friend, Deborah.
Thank you.
Deborah-- Chris. Nice to meet you. A pleasure.
Oh, well, how about that?
Yes. Yeah, it's very, very common, you know.
When you saw the footage, what did you think?
I was a little surprised
because it did not align with Deborah's words.
Hmm.
And Deborah has always been very truthful with me,
but Deborah says that the editing--
his mouth didn't line up with what he was saying.
- Mm-hmm. - That's what she maintains.
It seemed like the happy Eddie thing was a reach.
He smiled at someone. I mean...
Okay, so, I'm at the bar, and all of the sudden,
I see Chris, and then, happy Eddie comes over.
Oh, child, not happy Eddie.
Yeah. So, he was very flirty.
That was a very big reach
because it's almost as if the women get uncomfortable
when men show normal respect and decency.
Unfortunately, the men within this group
are unable to even communicate
with other women in this group for fear
that they may be pegged as something that they're not.
Okay. So, let's talk about the Instagram Live video.
What?
None of these bitches are real.
They're all fake. No one is loyal.
(BLEEP) these hoes.
Um, you said, "(BLEEP) these hoes."
- Yes. - "None of them are loyal."
Yes.
"They're just trying to pedal their businesses."
Yes, across these United States.
Yes. Then you told Karen and Robyn
that you weren't talking about them.
- Yes. - It's my understanding,
though, Robyn, that she also said something nice
about your business in the Instagram Live.
I said a lot of nice things about your business.
I-I was not watching her live, in real time.
- I was sent that clip. - Who sent you that clip?
It was a blog. It was on a-- on a blog,
- an article on a blog. - It's a blog.
- Okay. - Um, and when she said it,
I said this, when you're talking about
pedaling businesses, the-the only two people
I would have thought she was specifically talking about
would have been Ashley and Gizelle.
Neither one had businesses, at that time.
- Okay. - I didn't know that.
And so, I'm like, I have a business.
Wendy has a business. Karen has a business. Mia has the joint--
Like, she's talking about all of us.
I was in my feelings
on the way Candiace was treating me.
You coulda came to me and been like,
"Bitch, you talking about my business?
- (BLEEP) you." - We literally-- okay,
but-but I feel like everyone should hear this.
Tell me this, why are you upset
that I'm playing your words for our friends
that you're talking about? I don't understand.
Because you are my friend,
and if I had heard you say something like that,
my immediate reaction would be,
"Oh, she must not be talking about me.
"Let me go to her and find out what's the beef."
Then you tried to shame me in front of the group.
- I didn't shame you. - It was,
and it was stupid because you embarrassed yourself.
I wasn't embarrassed.
You get upset about stuff because it's done on camera,
which is not fair. We're all here.
When we're filming,
everything we do should happen on camera.
I heard from Candiace earlier today.
I heard she was, like, tweeting a lot.
She's also really angry and disappointed.
She feels betrayed by you.
What does what I'm going through
or what I shared have to do with her and Chris?
- I de-- I defended her husband. - I think it's about what you--
I think it's about what you didn't share.
Tiana from New York City, "Candiace, I'm glad you made up
"with Robyn considering she stood up for you
"against Gizelle,
"but when you made up with Robyn,
"you said you looked up to her the most in the group.
"What about Wendy?"
I don't understand this-this thing
where I have to, like, have one girlfriend
that I love more.
I've known Robyn longer.
Okay.
Robyn was one of the first people when I joined the group
that I, like, connected with.
We've been friends since she's been on the show
- and-- - Yes.
But when you did say, "I feel like Robyn
is the most loyal to me," and then within a few seconds,
she put the JBL on the speaker,
and I even looked to you, I leaned over, and I said,
"And this is who is most loyal to you?"
- I remember I said that to you. - I remember that.
- I think I remember that. - That's not how--
that wasn't the sequence of events but okay.
And so, I was just like-- I-I felt a way.
Ladies, it's not a competition here for friendship,
- for who is tighter... - No, it's not.
- ...who is closer. - But feelings- feelings are valid.
Nobody is saying it is.
We all have dynamic relationships. It shouldn't matter.
But this is how friends communicate.
Ladies, ladies, guess what. It's time for lunch.
- Yes. - Praise the Lord.
Okay, okay. Oh--
Oh, don't you have to just, like, say something? Yeah.
Oh, uh, we'll be right back.
- Like, Andy, okay. - Bye.
[laughing]
Ahh!
I thought I heard my man, my man, my man, my man.
Muah.
It's time.
We only did a few segments,
and Mia done brought you up three times.
Huh? [laughing]
She do. She said,
"Because my husband isn't an opportunist
"taking a picture of me getting wheeled in the hospital."
Hey.
I said, "Oh, you-- oh, you want one?"
Hi, G!
Hi. How you doin', Candiace? Looking beautiful.
Thank you. You look nice.
I'm sorry, but I'm not hugging anybody today.
Yeah, right.
Mm-hmm. I was over there fighting the fight for you today.
- Oh, why, thank you. - Stop playing with Chris.
Somebody was talking, and your wife didn't even
look at the person. You know what your wife said?
"Shut up." I said, "Ahh!"
We're fighting for you, Chris. I'm keeping up your honor.
Up next...
You cannot take ownership of what you did.
- You assaulted me. - All right.
Well, do you wanna talk about the fact
- that you----ed Peter... - No. (BLEEP) you forever.
...and that's the real story why you were upset?
I want you to understand that. (BLEEP) you forever.
- What? - You wanna talk about that?
Oh!
Tonight, part two
All right. One minute to go!
I'm sorry. I gotta change my tampon, y'all.
♪
We are back with "The Real Housewives of Potomac Reunion."
Gizelle, this year, you were dealing with
a health scare and a soon-to-be empty nest,
but in true Gizelle form, you kept on pushin'.
You produced a sweet 16 and a live show
all while your friend, Karen, produced, well,
we're still trying to figure that out.
Take a look.
House is coming together, finally.
New circular driveway, honey.
Oh, this is beautiful, gorgeous home.
I love the chandelier at the front door.
Wednesday, May 18th, we have a live show.
Who knew that "Reasonably Shady"
would be blowing the freak up, okay?
Ladies and gentlemen, put your hands together,
right now, Robyn Bryant and--
[laughing]
What the (BLEEP) not to do at my show.
Hold on. Don't hire drunk hosts.
In this girlfriend group of mine,
we quite often do the same thing at the same time.
Our podcast has, like, blown the freak up,
so we're gonna do live shows.
Ahh!
I would say my friendship with Wendy Williams sparked that.
[cheers and applause]
I am the Muhammad Ali of live shows.
When I met Karen, she really did have a big ego.
Now, her ego is on, like, 25 million.
I just wanted to know how it went.
- My biopsy? - Yeah.
Yeah, that sh-- is painful.
They can't just remove the fibroids.
They've gotta also remove my uterus,
which is just, like, a full-blown hysterectomy.
They're taking your ovaries out.
- So, are they taking-- - No.
- Just the uterus. - Jesus Christ.
So, where are the ovaries gonna be?
Just sitting in your stomach?
Yes. Oh, they're just gonna be floating?
So, Gizelle, you dating?
Mm-hmm. Just, like, three-ish.
So, do you remember when I met you?
Thirty years since we kissed, and we-we did all that stuff.
[laughing]
You need to make me laugh
and have a big dick. [laughing]
- All right. - Alrighty.
So, Hotel Gizelle has come a long way.
Come a long way.
From the, uh, construction zone we saw last season.
Yes.
Do you plan on this being your forever home?
Um, I plan on being there until the girls finish,
- and they're gone, for sure. - Okay.
So, congratulations on the success of the podcast.
How many episodes have you two recorded?
- We're coming up on 80. - Wow.
Over four million downloads, and the truth is,
we never listened to a podcast
before we even had our own podcast.
Well, it doesn't-- we're successful.
Don't hate.
Um, Jillian from Elmhurst, Queens said,
"Karen, the common denominator of ladies on the show
who do the same thing at the same time is you.
Did you steal the idea to do a live show
from Robyn and Gizelle
like you did with Wendy's candles?"
I'm so happy for this question
because, all due respect, Wendy, I launched my fragrance
- almost four years ago, okay? - Yes.
At that time, I announced
the candles were coming next.
So, I was being very gracious to you
when you brought the candle over because I didn't want to
steal your thunder, but that was years in advance
of you announcing it.
As far as Gizelle and I, in that park that day,
I told you guys, and Ashley was there, too.
I said, "I'm doing my live show."
I don't know if you had gotten there, at that time.
We started laughing.
What's the next question? [laughing]
I have to assume that your show, Karen,
owes a great deal to the Countess and Friends show.
Oh, Lord, no. You know what?
Candiace hit it on the head when she came there.
She knew it was a variety show.
Also knew that--
That's what the Countess's show is.
I get that, but you asked me my inspiration.
- Right. - And it was Carol Burnett.
Audience--
I thought your inspiration was Wendy Williams.
[laughing]
Yes. No, no, no, no, it's all good.
Be shady, Andy. I got it.
Well, no, I'm not being shady.
I just thought--
But you are more than welcome to come to Philadelphia.
- Thank you. - I have a VIP ticket for you.
- Oh, thank you. - You're welcome.
Karen, who or what is a La Dame?
I have a lot of love on social media,
so I named them the La Dames, and that's why I said,
"La Dames, rise." You know, hey.
When you said, "La Dames, rise,"
- did anybody stand up? - On social media, yes.
If I say, "La Dames, rise," during my 300-person
sold out show, I'm sure they'll rise.
- Hello. - Mm-hmm.
Okay, o-okay.
So, we know what the La Dames are.
If-if there was a group called the Robyns,
what would they be?
- Boring. - Oh, boy.
Oh.
Um, Lauren from Fairfield said, "Gizelle--"
Yeah.
Thanks for being open about your hysterectomy.
It's something a lot of women go through.
Have you had the procedure yet, and, if so, how are you feeling
emotionally and physically?
That was probably, like, out of seven seasons,
the biggest feedback that I've ever gotten
from-from women who are going through it.
What?
And who could sympathize, empathize, feeling like,
okay, you're getting your uterus taken out.
You don't feel like a woman anymore.
That-that's what I totally felt.
Yes, I've had the surgery.
- It was highly traumatic. - Hmm.
Um, it was supposed to be, like,
a three and a half hour surgery.
It ended up being eight and a half hours.
- Whew. - Wow.
My kids were freaked out.
Like, it was-- it wasn't good.
I'm curious.
Knowing your reticence to talk about this,
how hard was it telling your kids,
and not only telling your kids, but telling them on camera?
Super hard.
I didn't know how they were gonna re-react,
and I knew that they were gonna be scared,
and I had to tell them, like, mommy is going into surgery.
- Right. - Um...
[sighs]
We'll talk about it later.
No, we'll talk about it now.
All right. One minute to go!
It was supposed to be, like,
a three and a half hour surgery.
It ended up being eight and a half hours.
- Whew. - Wow.
How hard was it telling your kids,
and not only telling your kids, but telling them on camera?
Super hard.
I didn't know how they were gonna re-react,
and I knew that they were gonna be scared.
Um... [sighs]
We'll talk about it later.
No, we'll talk about it now.
So, my sister was with me.
She was getting updates every hour,
and then they stopped updating her.
So, for, like, hours, I was in surgery,
and, you know, there was no updates,
so my kids were, like, terrified.
They still don't even wanna talk about it.
Like, they're like, "We didn't think
that you were gonna come home."
And I told them I'm not spending the night
at the hospital,
and because the surgery was so long--
- You spent the night. - I had to spend the night.
My bladder was compromised.
I had a catheter, all that. It was-- it was bad.
- So, I didn't come home. - Right.
And so, my kids were done.
- I'm glad you're okay. - Thank you.
I'm glad you're happy you did it.
Yes.
Um, people are always on you to share more
about your personal life.
You know, you're on a reality show.
It seems like there's a lot that you don't wanna talk about.
Yet, you seem to have an expectation
of everybody else talking about everything else.
But that's not true, Andy. That's not true.
- Really? - Absolutely, it's true.
I'm saying that that's not true because--
Roll the tapes.
I have talked about it on camera.
So, if production doesn't wanna show that,
then production doesn't wanna show that,
- but I'm-- hold on. - Okay.
But I'm definitely not gonna sit with people
- that I don't like-- - I don't need to know.
I don't like you, sweetheart.
And talk about my health issues,
- for sure not. - Okay.
Uh, no, I understand, but I'm just saying,
do you not see a difference between your expectations
about what other people talk about
versus what you talk about?
If-if-if I ask anyone here a question,
and they don't wanna answer it, they don't have to.
You drag them for that, though.
- So, no. - I'm speaking from experience.
You bully people until they talk to you.
You do.
"Is this what cancer looks like?"
Uh, I'm curious.
What's the deal with your friend, Steve?
- We met him in season four. - Mm-hmm.
- This is Steve Smith. - Hey, how are you?
- Yes. - Hi. How are you?
- Ashley. - Nice to meet you.
Nice to meet you. You and Gizelle are friends?
Last time I checked.
I'm assuming, now that you're with hot stuff
from "Winter House," Steve is...
Um, I see Steve occasionally.
If he comes into town, I see him.
Okay.
Yes, but I don't ask him to come to town.
- That's a difference. Yes. - Okay.
Do you ask Jason to come to town?
Jason asks me when he can come to town.
- Okay. - Yeah.
- Has he met the girls? - He has.
- Really? - Yes, we had lunch.
- They grilled him. - Uh-huh.
They liked all of his answers.
What's the age difference, again?
I'm not a mathematician, so I don't know.
I'll do the math. How old-- how old is he?
Okay, well, he's 36.
Okay. [laughing]
- Okay, it's about 16 years. - Okay.
That's good. He has energy.
- Yes. - Oh, okay.
Were you with him last night?
Yes.
Did he give you a little reunion prep?
- [laughing] - We prepped.
Good.
- Eww. - Oh!
Next season, if you're still dating Jason,
we gonna see him on the show?
Sure. [laughing]
All right.
Wendy, you started this season
wanting to open a bar and lounge,
but the only drink you needed to be served
was H2O.
Your thirst for success ended with
a big, messy splash.
Take a look.
I wanna do a Nigerian lounge.
If you buy into 20%, that's $300,000.
When I see opportunities, I try to take them.
Yeah, but at what cost to your health, right?
You have to stop.
God forbid your kids won't have their mother.
What's up with the restaurant idea?
If I'm being honest, it's on pause.
Tell Wendy I got beef with her when I see her.
Wait, hold on. What?
Talking about doing the project together,
but I sent her the paperwork,
and I haven't heard nothin' else.
You would think that you would let him know you were coming.
You're telling me I need to tell him
I'm coming into town?
- I'm not in town for business. - Wendy--
- Oh! - Oh!
Get out of the----ing table, Wendy!
- I'm TMZ, right now. - And what the (BLEEP)
you gonna do, if I don't get the (BLEEP) out?
You and your husband can go (BLEEP) other women and men!
You're baiting, and you're being antagonistic.
Oh, so, you're telling me to stop,
but she threw a drink on me, Robyn?
If you don't wanna fight, then shh.
You threw a drink on me over Peter Thomas
'cause you're----ing him, and you're--
One more----ing time!
Oh, my God.
All right.
Uh, I wanna start with you and your health.
I mean, you were taking on an incredible amount.
- Your hair was falling out. - Yes.
Your health was really in peril.
- It was really bad. - Have you dialed back?
I have.
With kidney stones, I had to completely change my diet,
increase my water intake to, like, a gallon a day,
and also try to be stress-free.
You know, I have to say.
Here you're a very successful professor.
You're doing all these things that you're an expert on,
the four degrees.
I mean, the restaurant business
is the most volatile business.
For someone with no experience in the restaurant business,
- it made me nervous. - No, no,
no, it made me nervous, and I had a great chat
with both Candiace and Ashley about
just their experiences in business.
And, Ashley, did you try to talk her out of it?
- Yes. - She did. They both did.
But, also, she was partnering with someone who does know.
- Yeah, yeah. - That was a smart move by your part.
Mia, can you explain your relationship with Peter?
- Mmm. - What about it?
Like, that he's friends with G?
- Is that it? - Yeah.
We know-- we know him through--
You and G were sleeping with his girlfriend for a time?
No, it wasn't his girlfriend.
So, you know, we had a-a thing with his girlfriend
at-- she's not his girlfriend anymore, right?
- But-- and that was before. - Okay,
and she wasn't his girlfriend at the time.
- No. - Okay.
Mia, I didn't understand
why you threw a drink at Wendy.
She didn't really say anything bad about your husband.
So, the way that I remember it, Andy,
there was a lot of things that were said.
- Okay. - Like, she just kept,
like, just coming at and just spitting things out
that had absolutely nothing to do with
what I was trying to talk about.
- But that's not true. - And-- I'm talking to Andy.
And I had had enough.
It seemed like whatever the drama was
between she and Peter,
you were trying to make it...
- Correct. - Yeah.
...Something maybe more than it was.
I did not intend to argue with Wendy.
I think I poorly delivered the message
that I was trying to deliver.
I was talking business.
What are you talking about?
She wanted to talk about threesomes.
- It's like-- - What are you talking about?
No, you took it to a whole 'nother level
when you threw drink, and then she responded.
You threw a drink in my face.
Are you kidding me that you are sitting here
almost a year later,
and you cannot take ownership of what you did?
You assaulted me.
And don't let this sh-- fool you
that I'm standing here strong.
That sh-- was----ed up!
Okay, all right.
Well, do you wanna talk about the fact that you----ed Peter,
No, (BLEEP) you forever.
I want you to understand that.
And that's the real story why you were upset?
- What? - You wanna talk about that?
- You are----ing trash. - Wanna talk about
my little receipt of you giving Peter the cookie?
You are----ing trash.
- Girl, uh-uh. - So you can get a little restaurant and Bar One
on Baltimore Harbor. You wanna talk about that?
- You are----ing trash. - Wanna talk about my little receipt
- of you giving Peter the cookie? - You are----ing trash.
I want you to understand.
- Girl, uh-uh. - So you can get a little restaurant and Bar One.
You wanna talk about that?
Girl, you're just saying that because you want to.
- We gotta stop with these lies. - What do I have to give up?
Y'all can't just say whatever you want
'cause you ain't got nothing else to talk about. - I wonder, I wonder.
No, she ain't got no receipt. She doesn't know.
She had dinner with him before filming.
- Yes. - And they had a whole entree.
- Yes. - And I heard all about it, and it was after hours
- in Bar One Baltimore. - From whom? From whom?
- Who told you this? - I saw the cameras.
She saw the cameras.
Did they have the cookie for dinner?
No, she gave him the cookie, allegedly,
- the cookie. - I-I understand.
You're----ing for lobsters.
- I'm not denying it. You are. - That's fine.
- You're----ing for lobsters. - Yeah.
- [laughing] - We don't all do that.
Oh, my God.
We're----ing for lobsters now.
Okay, Jen from DC,
"Robyn, you kept calling Wendy antagonistic.
How is it possible to antagonize someone
after they throw a drink in your face?
"So, how is she the antagonist in that?
So, first of all, let me-- let me say
I don't know how I would react if someone threw a drink on me.
I have a feeling it wouldn't be good.
- It probably wouldn't. - I saw the umbrella scene.
Get in my face and say that and see what happens.
Oh, no, you shut up. Oh, you shut up.
You think 'cause these cameras is around here?
- Go for it. - Better get up outta my face
before I choke you out with this umbrella.
Oh, please do it!
She just told me to get in her face, and I did.
And everybody in this world has the right
to retaliate however they want to.
- Okay. - However, I really did not
wanna see her fighting on television.
Then why the fight or shut up?
No, be-- no, because she kept--
No, no, listen. Let me answer her.
- Okay. - After I said this to her,
you kept going, and you kept going,
and that's when I said,
"Okay, well, if you wanna fight, then just fight."
And then I said,
"But if you don't, then stop."
And that's the part that people are missing.
You don't want to fight, right?
No.
'Cause you don't wanna fight on camera.
- No. - Yeah, I get you.
No, I get you. No, I get you.
But if she comes and pops you in the mouth
- because you keep-- - Oh, I'll-- it will be something.
- Antagonizing. - Because you keep doing this--
I get it.
Has to be accountable for what comes out their mouth.
You wanna fight her ass? Fight her ass
when them----ing cameras go away.
Right.
I think that even with that context,
it doesn't change anything for me.
I had just been physically assaulted
not once, but twice,
but you look at me, and you say,
"You're being antagonistic."
If someone, anybody, hits even dumbass Mia,
right now, in the face, I would say,
- "Hold up. This is messed up." - That's not nice.
You didn't do that.
The only person in which you spoke to
was the person who was attacked.
That's----ed up.
I'm still not justifying what she did,
but I understood her frustration.
Well, it sounded like you were.
- That's all I'm saying. - Secondly-secondly,
you and I were not friends, and to be honest,
I felt like Karen would have been
the perfect person to say,
"Mia, cut it out. Wendy, cut it out."
But instead, she tried to excuse herself from the situation,
- and like I said-- - It wasn't her business.
Robyn, do not speak for me.
Why do you drag me into your bullsh--? - I didn't-- I'm not--
- I'm not speaking for you. - Your ass taped it.
You were the aggressor at the table.
I just said you were-- I said you would have been the perfect person.
- I said if you-- I said-- - You brought my name up,
- so I'm in it now, Robyn. - Okay.
Because what you're not gonna do--
I said, "If you wanna fight, then fight.
If you don't, then stop."
Is say that I should have defused something
that you were responsible for gaslighting.
Is it gaslighting or throwing gas on the fire?
What is-- what is the definition of gaslighting?
- You threw gas on the fire. - I think it's throwing gas on the fire.
- It's not gaslighting. - I did not.
I did not make the situation worse.
- Whatever, okay, gas on the-- - No, so, that's totally different.
- It's two totally different-- - I tried to tell you to stop.
Gas on the fire. Andy, stand corrected.
- Yes, yes. - I stand corrected.
Tina from Dallas said, "Robyn, you were on
'Watch What Happens Live' saying Charrisse did not need
to put hands on you to hold you back from Wendy."
- Mmm. - "The truth is, she did.
Can you acknowledge that if Charrisse's natural reaction
was to put hands on you, it was because you were
behaving in an aggressive manner?"
Now, you and I have debated this.
You said it on the show.
We keep showing the flashback.
You keep saying, "She didn't put her hand on me."
You see in the flashback that she is--
No, I didn't. No, no, no, no,
I didn't say she didn't.
I said I didn't need her to put her hand on me.
I'm sitting, and I'm still standing.
- I'm standing on it. - Listen, please, sit down.
I'm standing on it.
- No, no, no, no, no. - I'm standing on it!
- I was seated. - Yes.
- She was standing. - Okay.
We were in a heated argument.
I don't know where y'all are from,
but if you and somebody are going at it--
- Yes. - And they proceed to walk towards you,
anything can happen.
- Right. - Right.
- And I said, "I'm standing." - Well, let me say this.
- There was nothing-- - All I'm saying is,
If you stepped in the middle of that table, right now,
towards her, I would get up
- and-- - There you go.
If she said, "Stand," 28 times?
And you're yelling at each other.
Yes, it would become a-- it would--
- that, to me, means... - It's an aggressive conversation.
But, okay, I just-I just-- I just wanted her--
This situation is getting heightened.
- Thank you. - I would have.
I just wanted her to stop telling me to stand.
Yes, yes, yes.
I wanted her to stop telling me to stand.
- It was not stopping and-- - Okay.
I'm not Miss Cleo. I'm not a fortune teller.
I didn't know what you were trying to do.
Okay. Ashley, you flip flopped your stance
- on violence this season. - Sure did.
- I did not. - You sure did.
You know, Monique was far more violent than Mia,
and you defended her to the courts.
Monique's attorney said that I should write
just what was seen publicly,
so I wrote about what happened at your house,
when we were at the reunion,
and then how we had back and forths on social media.
So, it was a statement against Candiace.
So, basically, the statement
was to assassinate Candiace's character.
Everyone came to Candiace's defense,
as they should have.
And you wanted to be a hero.
No one came to Wendy's defense.
No one checked to make sure that she was okay
when she was the person who had been violated,
and no one was holding Mia's feet to the fire
for her actions.
Everybody chastised Monique.
Told her she was a misrepresentation
of Black women and all this stuff.
She was. All of it is true.
I mean, everyone went for her jugular.
As they should have.
No one was saying anything to Mia,
and I didn't think that was fair,
and I will stand by that.
Well, let me move on to Gizelle.
Your reaction to what happened in Miami seems hypocritical
and the opposite of your reaction
to what happened with Monique.
So, now you have Mia throwing a drink
and hitting her with her purse,
and how is that different?
What Monique did to Candiace
is completely different than the drink throwing.
Candiace, I felt like, got beat up.
This was a drink toss.
- So, the two are not comparable. - Can I ask you a question?
You're saying that Chris made you feel a certain way.
- Yes. - Okay, so, listen to her.
She felt a certain way.
She got a martini thrown in her eyes.
- Right. - She felt violated.
Right.
- I don't like her. - So, I understand but then--
So, I-- it doesn't matter to me.
You know what? Does-- but that's--
- I-I don't know if that--- - But that's your moral--
that speaks to your moral compass.
- I don't know if that-- - Right is right,
- and wrong is wrong. - It doesn't matter,
- and I had-- - If it's wrong, it's wrong.
That doesn't-- that doesn't hold up in a court.
If your enemy does it, or if your best friend does it--
- No, no. - That says everything.
I just wanna be very clear because naturally, you know,
just who I am, I'm a strong person.
That sh-- was----ed up,
and the way in which it was handled within this group
was----ed up.
It took everything out of me not to beat the sh-- out of you
not because I couldn't,
but because of who I am as a woman,
and the only reason I came to your room
to have that conversation in Mexico
was so we can move forward as a group.
I wanted to hear what you had to say.
I want you to know I really am sorry.
Like, I didn't sleep that night
because I don't ever wanna be responsible
for disrespecting someone.
But I don't (BLEEP) wit' you 'cause you violated me.
All right. Well, don't (BLEEP) with me.
You violated me to my deepest core.
Now, you done messed up my makeup.
But weren't y'all kissing or something,
or vagina bump-bumping?
She don't know what she wanna do.
- We'll get into that. - Oh, okay. Oh.
Yeah, we'll get into that, child.
We all showed each other our vaginas.
It was tequila.
[laughing]
We're gonna take a break. We will be right back.
♪
I'm sleepy now.
Tonight I would like to clear up
a lot of misconceptions about me.
The fact that this woman is disgustingly talking
about my children.
All right, one minute to go!
I-I just would like to talk about
a lot of that other crazy things
that she was putting on the internet about me,
and sleeping with married men, and other various receipts
that I have, if she wants to try me.
[sighs]
It was supposed to be, like,
Please stand by-- five seconds,
four, three.
There is a topic that's come up frequently
as it pertains to this show, and that topic is colorism.
We've touched on colorism at previous reunions.
However, this season,
we received far more audience feedback,
so it feels important to revisit.
Now, I agree this is a really sensitive
and nuanced topic within the Black community
and one that I, as a white man, shouldn't be leading.
I've been thinking a lot about the best way
to approach the topic.
We considered bringing in a moderator for this segment,
but we started with our producers calling
each of you to discuss how you would like
to approach this conversation so that your voices
and wishes would be heard.
You collectively agreed that you'd like to discuss it
without a moderator, together.
So, Candiace, you were the most vocal
when you spoke to the producers.
You told them that you didn't think your castmates
were colorist.
However, you still felt that the conversation
needed to be had.
So, Candiace, I'm gonna give you the floor to speak your piece,
and if anyone else wants to chime in,
you're all encouraged to do so.
I will listen and learn.
Well, I appreciate you and our producers
for giving us this space to have the conversation.
Um, but I think, if we're gonna have the conversation,
right, about colorism, we have to first agree
on the definition.
So, I have Miriam and Webster.
It's a noun.
"Differential treatment based on skin color,
"especially favoritism,
"towards those with lighter skintones
"and mistreatment or exclusion of those with a darker skintone,
"typically among those of the same racial or ethnic group."
Can we all agree that that is the definition?
- Absolutely. - That's colorism.
- That's the definition. - That's colorism.
Okay.
Um, so, from there, I think it's important to pinpoint
instances where colorism may have reared its head
within our group.
I am someone who has a reputation
as being someone who will yell,
who will scream, who will cry,
or do any combination of those things.
Get the (BLEEP) out! Get the (BLEEP) out!
You will not discuss my mother in my home!
- Calm down. - Where is your pimp?
Pimp, where you at? The ho is here!
I'm viewed as the crybaby,
as the first one to be emotional,
but Robyn has screamed,
and gone into Ashley's restaurant,
and put her finger in her face.
Please put your fingers out of my face, Robyn.
My fingers are not in your face.
This is putting my finger in your face.
Put your finger out of my face, Robyn.
Get in my face, and say that, and see what happens.
Oh, no, you shut up. Oh, you shut up.
You think 'cause these cameras is around here?
- Go for it. - Better get up outta my face
before I choke you out with this umbrella.
- Oh, please do it! - Not again.
And it's not received the same way.
Okay, but I feel like I've been called mean girl
and aggressive multiple times sitting here. So...
- Yeah. - Sitting here today, now.
- You think that-- - But are we the ones saying,
"Oh, my God, Candiace, you're so emotional?"
- Some of you are. - Okay.
And some of it comes from the audience
who watches our show.
I-I was confused with the you're the emotional one
- of the group. - Mm-hmm.
What does that have to do with the color of your skin?
Like, how-how are you connecting the two?
I am-- I'm villainized and ridiculed.
Villainized based off of being emotional?
No. I'm saying what does you being emotional
have to do with skin color?
Am I not making sense?
I understand what you're trying to say.
I don't-- I-I-I just wanna understand.
I-I think it's really important if we personalize it
- a little bit. - Yes.
You know, um, for me, you all know I own the plantation
that my ancestors were raised on.
So, colorism was taught very early on.
The darker pigment person was in the field.
The lighter woman was the house negro.
- Mm-hmm. - I can tell you,
it takes a conscious effort to change that
which has been placed within us that--
- Indoctrinated. - Indoctrinated--
thank you, darling-- that never was supposed to be there.
What Candiace is clearly saying is,
based upon the pigmentation of her skin
but given the same circumstances,
she's judged more harshly than Robyn or I would have been.
- Yes. - Okay, for be--
How do we know that's true?
I mean, Candiace is who Candiace is.
- Robyn is who Robyn is. - Right.
So, how can we say that Candiace is treated
a certain way because she-- it's just her personality
that maybe rubs people the wrong way sometimes.
We can't say it. We can't say that
Candiace is treated a certain way,
but here's the key.
You listen to Candiace.
She says she's feeling that she's treated a certain way.
That's the first step, acknowledging her feelings.
I understand, and I agree.
Inherently, for me, Gizelle, Robyn, Mia,
we get preferential treatment or whatever.
I understand that. I acknowledge the privilege.
You know what I'm saying? As a light skinned woman, I do.
- Thank you for saying that. - That means a lot.
I love and care about you guys as women.
But as far as how I feel about how I interact with this group,
I've had an issue with everyone in this group
at different points in time.
In my opinion, the dynamics of this group
are not based on the color of your skin,
and it really bothers me if you do feel that way.
Mm-hmm.
Well, can I just say that it is very important,
and it breaks a lot of the stigma
just to have you say, "I acknowledge it."
"My privilege," yeah, no, that's big.
That's-that's really all I--
I mean, I-I definitely do agree with everything
that Ashley said.
You know, colorism is a real issue,
and it's upsetting to me, um, because I am raising
a beautiful brown baby girl in this world.
- Yeah. - Me, too.
And I'm not used to that.
I'm not used to being accused
of-of being anything other
than just treating people how they treat me.
Unfortunately, we all have work to do.
Yeah.
I just hope that since we have had this conversation,
yes, we are filming a show,
we want to be entertaining,
but we will be mindful moving forth
- of dog whistles... - Yes.
That are used within this group.
Michelle Obama is watching.
- Yes. - Hey, girl.
- She'll be very proud. - I hope we've made her proud,
- at least a little bit. - Yeah.
We went high.
We went high in this segment.
- Oh, yeah. - Ooh.
- Yeah, this segment. - Now, let's get to low.
- [laughing] - Thank you, ladies, so much.
- Thank you, Andy. Thank you. - Thanks for doing that.
Uh, we're gonna take a quick break.
We'll be right back.
Right here on the end.
Jacqueline!
Hi, Jacqueline. Nice to meet you.
- Hi, Andy. - You look gorgeous.
Thank you. You look gorgeous.
Hi, guys. Hi, Gizelle. Hi, Ashley.
All right, stand by on the floor. Here we go!
Welcome back
to "The Real Housewives of Potomac Reunion."
Jacqueline has joined us. Hi, Jacqueline.
- Hi. How are you, Andy? - I'm good. How are you?
I'm doing really well.
I have to assume when you joined this group,
this wasn't how you imagined it working out.
Absolutely not. I'm completely shocked.
Is this the first time you've seen Mia
- since filming wrapped? - It is.
- Wow. - Wow.
Okay, Mia, this season, you introduced the ladies
to your best friend, Jacqueline.
You fought like sisters, made up like sisters,
and even showered together like... sisters?
- Is that a thing? I don't know. - Not a thing. Not a thing.
So, how did this unique 30-year bond finally break?
Let's watch.
- Ooh. - Is this my shirt?
No, it's not.
I have my own clothes. [laughing]
Jacqueline and I have been friends
since we were 15.
We were friends in high school,
and we've been inseparable since.
You always wanna sit
- next to your G. - Let me sit next to my man.
We're always a throuple. [laughing]
She's like his other wife,
but they don't do the do.
- Yeah. - Her mother took me in,
- which is why we're so close. - Yeah.
- Oh, wow. - My mom fostered her.
Hmm.
Jacqueline and I have done,
like, weird, promiscuous things,
- but this was before-- - So, you were lovers.
No.
I thought I wanted to be a gynecologist,
so I was, like, checking cervix and stuff.
Oh, you went in the vajay-jay.
Ooh. [laughing]
I was minding my business this morning,
and I see people in the shower together.
What? Yeah, okay. So, do y'all get in on it?
I have kissed her ex-boyfriend
on the lips one time, and then we did it.
Oh.
So, she bought you a Porsche?
Honey, I-I make my own coins.
- [laughing] - So, it wasn't Gordon
that bought you the car?
Are you trying to say I'm the sidepiece now?
There is a whole lot more to this relationship, okay?
Like, how many showers do you have to take
to get a car? I don't know.
Her sister is calling me looking for her kids.
I told her that her kids are not my responsibility.
I think she just has some tension.
She needs some dick, more dick.
Oh.
Well, keep your legs closed to married men, bitch.
Oh!
We have----ing 30 years of a friendship.
That sh-- is in the----ing trash can,
- at this point! - Fine.
I have vouched for you for the past how long
with these women just like my mom took you in.
- I have given my heart. - And that's why I was
with your mother on Mother's Day.
- Where were you? - Ooh!
I'm sorry. I can't sit next to this bitch.
Oh, my God.
It's time to let her go.
- Yeah, that's a lot. - Ooh, a lot.
How does it feel watching that, Mia?
Um, it's disappointing.
I think that both of us could have done better.
Both of us?
What about for you?
It was devastating.
I see somebody who literally wants to drag me underneath her
- to elevate herself. - Mmm.
To be her peasant, essentially.
Do you see what she sees?
I don't want her to be my peasant,
and I don't want her to feel beneath me.
- Okay. - Um, I think that there was
just a lot of things going on in my life personally
during this time of filming, you know.
Uh-huh. Did you feel unsupported by her?
I definitely felt supported by Jacqueline.
I think what happened is
that once you got here
I just became overwhelmed
because of all of the support that you needed,
- and I could barely help myself. - Okay, so, let-let-let me--
let me clear this up.
So, let's go and talk about my sister.
So, my sister was my nanny initially.
I knew that you didn't have
that type of support from your family,
so that's when I said, okay, let me get my sister
to possibly nanny for you.
So, when you're saying
that you're giving me all this support,
I literally gave you my sister.
Can I ask you a question?
When you were living with Jacqueline's family--
Mm-hmm.
Did you feel like an underling?
- Did you feel less than to her? - No, no.
And now, you're kind of trying to switch,
turn the tables?
No, I don't, because her mom and dad
treated me like I was one of their own.
Are you still close to them?
I wish I was closer.
It-it's been difficult, obviously, this year.
- [laughing] - Have they seen the show?
- Um-- - My mom hasn't,
because I don't want her to see it,
but my family has seen it,
and they are disgusted with Mia.
Definitely we wish
that this didn't have to be played out on television
because we do argue, and we do fight,
and probably said worse things to each other.
I literally could wake up the next day,
if you guys haven't noticed,
and forget what happened the day before
- and move on, right? Like, I-- - Yeah.
But see, Mia, that's the problem.
You're very unhinged.
"Unhinged" I don't think is the word.
- I think that I'm very-- - Yes, ma'am.
Why don't we talk about how you're unhinged?
Oh.
Sending that group chat to everybody,
talking about my house in foreclosure.
Um, you need to worry
- about your food stamps. - That was in a response.
- I don't start it. - What was that about?
Don't start none, won't be none.
When your family business is all in a shambles?
Goddamn. Goddamn.
And I know all about it,
and I have all those details.
- You wanna see it? - Yes.
- Oh, she's got a box. - Don't start.
Pandora's box here.
Okay, so, you want me to bring it out?
- You wanna start? - Okay, let's start. - Oh, sh--.
What is happening?
Next time, the three-part reunion concludes
with a 90-minute finale.
Have you had a-a sexual relationship
with any of Mia's friends?
Uh, never any penetration.
Okay. [laughing]
Charrisse, you-you came out
with every accusation possible.
- Well... - It seemed like they were--
What? There's more?
You feel how you feel.
I'm not discounting your feelings.
You still have not told me what I did.
I'm-I'm getting there.
I have suffered through this for ten months,
losing clients, losing money, answering to my family!
What you're saying about Juan--
- Mm-hmm. - No picture, no receipts,
- and you-- - Oh, no, no.
You want me to pull up the phone?
- Okay. - Why? Is there a picture?
And later, unseen footage,
my one-on-one interview with Robyn.
- I have questions. - Okay.
Did he show you their correspondence?
Um, he didn't show me, but I saw--
Did you not wanna see it?
You believe that they were never physical.
Um...