1 00:00:26,421 --> 00:00:28,341 CHEERING 2 00:00:37,021 --> 00:00:38,821 Hey, we showed 'em, eh, Petra? 3 00:00:38,861 --> 00:00:40,741 Oh, didn't we just! 4 00:00:40,781 --> 00:00:43,541 People that live round here, right, are just as good as anyone else. 5 00:00:43,581 --> 00:00:45,061 They're better! 6 00:00:45,101 --> 00:00:48,981 If anyone asks me where I'm from, right, I shan't just say Dewsbury! 7 00:00:49,021 --> 00:00:52,501 I shall say - "Moorside Estate, Dewsbury!" 8 00:00:52,541 --> 00:00:54,781 CHEERING 9 00:00:57,621 --> 00:00:59,581 Come here, Kinchie, let's have a picture. 10 00:00:59,621 --> 00:01:01,101 Oh, aye... 11 00:01:04,901 --> 00:01:06,061 Cheers, aye... 12 00:01:08,861 --> 00:01:10,861 So where did they find her, Kinchie? 13 00:01:10,901 --> 00:01:12,501 I can't discuss operational matters. 14 00:01:12,541 --> 00:01:15,341 Operational, my arse. There's all sorts of rumours flyin' around. 15 00:01:15,381 --> 00:01:16,821 Yeah, I don't doubt it. 16 00:01:16,861 --> 00:01:19,341 Yeah, like she were at Craig's uncle's? 17 00:01:19,381 --> 00:01:21,021 No comment. So it's true? 18 00:01:21,061 --> 00:01:22,261 Julie... 19 00:01:22,301 --> 00:01:25,141 But we're all going to know soon enough anyway, Kinchie. 20 00:01:25,181 --> 00:01:26,301 Who is he, this uncle? 21 00:01:26,341 --> 00:01:28,261 Mick Donovan, they call him. 22 00:01:28,301 --> 00:01:30,821 Well, what's the story? How come she were with him? 23 00:01:30,861 --> 00:01:33,981 Homicide Team are still trying to ascertain that. 24 00:01:34,021 --> 00:01:36,781 They've only just been made aware of his existence. 25 00:01:36,821 --> 00:01:39,061 They discovered that he's not been in touch with any of 26 00:01:39,101 --> 00:01:41,301 Shannon's family since she disappeared. 27 00:01:41,341 --> 00:01:42,821 That's a bit bloody weird. 28 00:01:51,901 --> 00:01:52,941 Here you go, then. 29 00:01:52,981 --> 00:01:54,341 Thanks, Mum. Pop. Pop. 30 00:01:54,381 --> 00:01:55,821 Thank you. Thank you. 31 00:01:55,861 --> 00:01:58,501 Have you just made that one up? There you are, love. 32 00:01:58,541 --> 00:02:01,181 Right, come on. Everybody all right. All right. 33 00:02:01,221 --> 00:02:02,821 All right. Are you not coming down? 34 00:02:02,861 --> 00:02:04,861 No, I'm not. I'm looking after this lot, aren't I? 35 00:02:04,901 --> 00:02:07,061 Bring 'em down - everyone else has took their kids. 36 00:02:07,101 --> 00:02:08,581 There's a massive party. 37 00:02:08,621 --> 00:02:10,701 ALL: YEAH! 38 00:02:10,741 --> 00:02:13,021 Yeah, well, I'm not sure there should be a party. 39 00:02:13,061 --> 00:02:14,301 ALL: Aww... 40 00:02:14,341 --> 00:02:15,701 What do you mean? 41 00:02:15,741 --> 00:02:17,461 No. Are you a rhino? 42 00:02:17,501 --> 00:02:19,941 Come in here. An elephant. 43 00:02:25,061 --> 00:02:27,781 I mean, till we find out what's gone on. 44 00:02:27,821 --> 00:02:30,181 All this stuff about Shannon at her uncle's and that... 45 00:02:30,221 --> 00:02:33,381 What's it matter, she's safe? Look, we deserve this. 46 00:02:33,421 --> 00:02:36,181 And what about Karen's reaction when they told her they'd found her? 47 00:02:36,221 --> 00:02:39,861 Did you see her face? There was hardly any emotion. 48 00:02:39,901 --> 00:02:41,701 She was shocked. How's she supposed to react? 49 00:02:41,741 --> 00:02:43,781 I'd have been screaming at 'em to let me see her. 50 00:02:43,821 --> 00:02:45,781 Yeah, well, that's you. Karen's different. 51 00:02:45,821 --> 00:02:48,301 I just think it's a bit premature to be partying. 52 00:02:48,341 --> 00:02:50,301 Yeah, well, bollocks to you, then. 53 00:02:52,141 --> 00:02:53,661 DOOR OPENS AND CLOSES 54 00:02:59,541 --> 00:03:01,541 You haven't asked how Shannon is? 55 00:03:03,021 --> 00:03:04,821 How is she? 56 00:03:04,861 --> 00:03:06,821 We don't really know. 57 00:03:06,861 --> 00:03:10,541 We're still trying to coax out her account of what happened. 58 00:03:10,581 --> 00:03:12,981 You haven't asked where we found her. 59 00:03:13,021 --> 00:03:14,581 Where did you find her? 60 00:03:14,621 --> 00:03:16,301 She was being hidden under a divan bed 61 00:03:16,341 --> 00:03:18,501 in the bedroom of a flat in Batley Carr. 62 00:03:19,541 --> 00:03:21,581 There was a man hiding with her. 63 00:03:21,621 --> 00:03:23,301 Was there? 64 00:03:23,341 --> 00:03:25,421 By the name of Michael Donovan. 65 00:03:28,821 --> 00:03:31,461 Do you know him? 66 00:03:31,501 --> 00:03:34,381 Nope, I've never even heard of him. 67 00:03:38,541 --> 00:03:42,501 ALL: Shannon! Shannon! Shannon! Shannon! 68 00:03:47,101 --> 00:03:51,661 CLAMOUR 69 00:04:09,501 --> 00:04:11,461 Karen! Hey, Julie. 70 00:04:12,781 --> 00:04:14,461 Didn't I say we'd get her back? 71 00:04:14,501 --> 00:04:16,661 Yeah, you did! You all right? 72 00:04:17,981 --> 00:04:20,101 Let me through. Karen. 73 00:04:20,141 --> 00:04:23,861 Natalie... Can we go in? 74 00:04:23,901 --> 00:04:25,701 Hate this lot gawping at us. 75 00:04:32,861 --> 00:04:34,821 So... how is Shannon? Yeah, she's fine. 76 00:04:34,861 --> 00:04:36,741 When will she be home? We're dying to see her. 77 00:04:36,781 --> 00:04:39,581 Dunno. Police haven't said. You must be desperate to have her back. 78 00:04:39,621 --> 00:04:41,461 Yeah, I'm desperate. We both are. Desperate. 79 00:04:41,501 --> 00:04:43,541 What's this about her being wi' your uncle, Craig? 80 00:04:43,581 --> 00:04:46,221 I don't know owt about it. Me neither. Well, hasn't Shannon said? 81 00:04:46,261 --> 00:04:48,301 Dunno. They're still not lettin' me talk to her yet. 82 00:04:48,341 --> 00:04:50,541 Someone said he were called Mick Donovan. I don't know. 83 00:04:50,581 --> 00:04:52,541 And summat about he had his own kids took off him, 84 00:04:52,581 --> 00:04:53,981 and was accused of abducting 'em. 85 00:04:54,021 --> 00:04:56,701 Bollocks. He didn't abduct 'em, he just took 'em to Blackpool. 86 00:04:56,741 --> 00:04:58,821 Do you know him, Karen? No, I've never even met him. 87 00:04:58,861 --> 00:05:01,501 Yeah, you have, you were at me dad's funeral, and so were he. 88 00:05:01,541 --> 00:05:02,581 I don't remember that. 89 00:05:02,621 --> 00:05:05,741 Well, that's funny cos at piss-up after, you were sat on his knee. 90 00:05:05,781 --> 00:05:08,261 You what? I never wor! I saw you! And I weren't t'only one. 91 00:05:08,301 --> 00:05:10,021 I don't remember sitting on no-one's knee! 92 00:05:10,061 --> 00:05:12,141 How can you not remember sittin' on a fella's knee? 93 00:05:12,181 --> 00:05:14,621 I just don't! Oh, come on, Karen. Can we just drop all this? 94 00:05:14,661 --> 00:05:16,621 It's doing me head in! It's doing mine in, an' all! 95 00:05:16,661 --> 00:05:18,141 Come on, don't upset yourself. 96 00:05:18,181 --> 00:05:19,781 We're missing the point here, aren't we? 97 00:05:19,821 --> 00:05:21,221 The point is, we've found Shannon. 98 00:05:21,261 --> 00:05:22,981 She's safe and she'll be back home soon. 99 00:05:23,021 --> 00:05:25,701 Yeah, we should do summat to celebrate. Yeah, bring it on! 100 00:05:25,741 --> 00:05:28,061 I've got it - a tree for Shannon! 101 00:05:28,101 --> 00:05:29,741 Bloody mint idea, Julie! 102 00:05:29,781 --> 00:05:31,261 Thanks, Julie, I love you! 103 00:05:39,541 --> 00:05:41,821 Right, Michael, can we go through this again, please? 104 00:05:41,861 --> 00:05:44,341 What exactly did Karen ask you to do? 105 00:05:44,381 --> 00:05:46,981 She said I were to look after Shannon... 106 00:05:47,021 --> 00:05:48,741 and then she'd report her missing. 107 00:05:48,781 --> 00:05:50,141 She actually said that to you? 108 00:05:50,181 --> 00:05:53,821 That she'd report her missing, even though she knew she was with you? 109 00:05:53,861 --> 00:05:55,701 Yeah. And what did you say to that? 110 00:05:55,741 --> 00:05:57,941 I said I weren't happy about it. 111 00:05:57,981 --> 00:06:00,381 And what did she say when you told her that? 112 00:06:05,101 --> 00:06:08,101 She said that if I didn't do it, she'd get three lads onto me. 113 00:06:08,141 --> 00:06:09,701 Three lads, eh? 114 00:06:09,741 --> 00:06:11,661 And she said there'd be money in it for me. 115 00:06:11,701 --> 00:06:14,021 She actually said you'd get some money? 116 00:06:14,061 --> 00:06:16,661 She said I had to do what she said and if I told anyone else 117 00:06:16,701 --> 00:06:18,061 about it I'd be dead. 118 00:06:18,101 --> 00:06:20,741 So now you're saying she threatened you'd be killed? 119 00:06:20,781 --> 00:06:22,741 By these same three lads? 120 00:06:22,781 --> 00:06:26,461 Karen Matthews making death threats? Does that ring true to you? 121 00:06:28,021 --> 00:06:30,981 What did she actually tell you to do with Shannon? 122 00:06:31,021 --> 00:06:33,261 I'm cold. Yeah, you've said that, Michael. 123 00:06:33,301 --> 00:06:35,381 That's why we've given you a blanket. 124 00:07:17,901 --> 00:07:20,701 Apparently, Donovan's neighbours had heard a kiddy's footsteps in 125 00:07:20,741 --> 00:07:22,421 the flat when he was out. 126 00:07:22,461 --> 00:07:25,821 So the coppers knock. No answer. They break in. 127 00:07:25,861 --> 00:07:27,541 It's all dead quiet. 128 00:07:27,581 --> 00:07:29,821 They're beginning to think they've drawn a blank. 129 00:07:29,861 --> 00:07:32,501 Next thing, one of them hears Shannon's voice. 130 00:07:32,541 --> 00:07:34,381 "You're frightening me now." 131 00:07:34,421 --> 00:07:36,741 They go in the bedroom. No sign of anyone. 132 00:07:36,781 --> 00:07:39,301 They start poking around and there she is, 133 00:07:39,341 --> 00:07:41,581 hidden in the base of a divan bed. 134 00:07:41,621 --> 00:07:43,941 And Donovan's hiding with her. Was she all right? 135 00:07:43,981 --> 00:07:45,981 One of the neighbours said she saw a copper 136 00:07:46,021 --> 00:07:48,781 carrying her out a couple of minutes later. 137 00:07:48,821 --> 00:07:51,301 Cradled in his arms. Said she looked scared for her life. 138 00:07:51,341 --> 00:07:52,821 That's all I know. 139 00:07:57,741 --> 00:08:00,901 What about that? 140 00:08:00,941 --> 00:08:02,661 Oh, that's pathetic. 141 00:08:02,701 --> 00:08:05,021 It'll grow. Trees grow. 142 00:08:05,061 --> 00:08:08,501 This is a massive event. We want to make a massive gesture. 143 00:08:08,541 --> 00:08:10,821 And I would get a massive bollocking if I try and put that 144 00:08:10,861 --> 00:08:12,461 through on expenses. 145 00:08:15,181 --> 00:08:19,261 "Magnolia stellata. Ideal for the smaller garden." There you are. 146 00:08:26,461 --> 00:08:27,861 Here, grab it. 147 00:08:34,501 --> 00:08:37,141 Bloody hell, Julie! Size isn't important. 148 00:08:37,181 --> 00:08:39,581 Never heard you say that before! Me neither, Julie! 149 00:08:39,621 --> 00:08:41,101 So, when's the ceremony? 150 00:08:41,141 --> 00:08:43,581 Tonight. It's going to be mega. 151 00:08:43,621 --> 00:08:45,381 They're taking us to t'police station. 152 00:08:45,421 --> 00:08:47,221 What, to see Shannon? Yeah, probably. 153 00:08:47,261 --> 00:08:50,461 Oh, how long will you be? We've got the "Tree For Shannon" tonight. 154 00:08:50,501 --> 00:08:52,101 Sorry, I can't say. 155 00:08:52,141 --> 00:08:54,821 OK, well, we'll postpone if we have to. Who's looking after t'kids? 156 00:08:54,861 --> 00:08:56,901 Craig's mum. Give Shannon our love! 157 00:08:56,941 --> 00:08:58,701 Yeah, we'll give her your love. 158 00:09:01,821 --> 00:09:03,701 They're taking Karen to see Shannon. 159 00:09:03,741 --> 00:09:05,301 Hmm... 160 00:09:05,341 --> 00:09:08,301 If I were t'police, I'd want to ask them some questions too. Why? 161 00:09:08,341 --> 00:09:11,061 I don't know, Julie, but something's not right here. 162 00:09:11,101 --> 00:09:13,221 If there's owt wrong, police'll get to bottom of it. 163 00:09:13,261 --> 00:09:14,661 You reckon? 164 00:09:23,341 --> 00:09:25,101 You're not letting me see her. 165 00:09:25,141 --> 00:09:27,061 I don't even know why you've brought us here. 166 00:09:27,101 --> 00:09:29,101 Cos it's like a bloody circus at your house. 167 00:09:29,141 --> 00:09:30,741 We can't talk to you properly. 168 00:09:30,781 --> 00:09:33,381 What's there to talk about. Michael Donovan, for one. 169 00:09:33,421 --> 00:09:35,701 I've told you, I've never even met him. 170 00:09:35,741 --> 00:09:38,781 Even though a number of witnesses claim they saw you sitting on 171 00:09:38,821 --> 00:09:40,301 his knee at Craig's dad's funeral? 172 00:09:40,341 --> 00:09:43,021 I'd remember! If I'd sat on his knee, I'd remember, wouldn't I? 173 00:09:43,061 --> 00:09:44,621 You'd think so. 174 00:09:44,661 --> 00:09:47,541 And I wouldn't even sit on someone else's knee when I'm wi' Craig. 175 00:09:47,581 --> 00:09:49,341 Especially a bloke like Mick Donovan. 176 00:09:49,381 --> 00:09:50,901 So you do know him. 177 00:09:53,941 --> 00:09:56,461 You must have been surprised when you heard where Shannon had 178 00:09:56,501 --> 00:09:57,861 been found? 179 00:09:57,901 --> 00:09:59,501 Yeah, I were, dead surprised. 180 00:10:01,861 --> 00:10:04,981 Did you ever think to yourself that your Uncle Mick might have her? 181 00:10:05,021 --> 00:10:07,221 No, I didn't. 182 00:10:07,261 --> 00:10:10,901 You didn't wonder why he'd not been in touch to ask after Shannon? 183 00:10:10,941 --> 00:10:13,781 I had other things to think about. Mm, yeah, course. 184 00:10:16,661 --> 00:10:19,101 Has he been in touch with any other members of the family over 185 00:10:19,141 --> 00:10:21,301 the last three weeks? No. 186 00:10:21,341 --> 00:10:23,581 Has he been in touch with Karen? 187 00:10:23,621 --> 00:10:25,141 Karen says she doesn't know him. 188 00:10:25,181 --> 00:10:26,661 Is that true? 189 00:10:28,701 --> 00:10:30,181 I don't know. 190 00:10:30,221 --> 00:10:32,861 Did you have any idea that Donovan intended to take Shannon? 191 00:10:32,901 --> 00:10:35,581 No, I didn't? Did Karen? 192 00:10:35,621 --> 00:10:37,421 How could she, if she doesn't know him? 193 00:10:37,461 --> 00:10:40,101 How do you get on with Shannon and Karen's other children, Craig? 194 00:10:40,141 --> 00:10:43,341 You've asked me that before. Well, I'm asking you again. 195 00:10:45,501 --> 00:10:48,901 Get on great. I'm a top stepdad. 196 00:10:52,461 --> 00:10:55,621 We've charged Mick Donovan with Shannon's abduction. 197 00:10:55,661 --> 00:10:57,341 Well, that's it, then. 198 00:10:57,381 --> 00:10:59,861 But he's telling us you were in on it with him. 199 00:10:59,901 --> 00:11:01,061 How? 200 00:11:01,101 --> 00:11:03,061 He's saying the two of you planned it. 201 00:11:03,101 --> 00:11:05,061 That you agreed he'd pick Shannon up from school, 202 00:11:05,101 --> 00:11:07,701 keep her at his flat, and split the reward money. 203 00:11:07,741 --> 00:11:10,341 Well, he's lying, then, isn't he? I weren't even in on it. 204 00:11:10,381 --> 00:11:13,021 Didn't even know where he lived nor nowt. 205 00:11:13,061 --> 00:11:15,741 But earlier, you said you didn't even know Donovan, 206 00:11:15,781 --> 00:11:17,341 now you've admitted you do. 207 00:11:19,981 --> 00:11:22,421 Had you had a thing going with Mick Donovan? 208 00:11:22,461 --> 00:11:23,541 No. 209 00:11:23,581 --> 00:11:25,781 Come on, Karen. Have you shagged him? 210 00:11:25,821 --> 00:11:27,101 No, I bloody haven't! 211 00:11:27,141 --> 00:11:28,381 SHE SNIFFLES 212 00:11:48,941 --> 00:11:50,701 REPORTERS SHOUT QUESTIONS 213 00:12:04,261 --> 00:12:06,261 You all right, Natalie? 214 00:12:06,301 --> 00:12:10,181 Yeah, just helping out wi' Karen's kids. 215 00:12:10,221 --> 00:12:12,901 How come they've not brought Shannon back? 216 00:12:12,941 --> 00:12:15,541 Sorry, I can't talk about that. 217 00:12:15,581 --> 00:12:17,381 I don't get it. 218 00:12:17,421 --> 00:12:20,501 Well, to be honest, there's a lot we don't get, too... 219 00:12:20,541 --> 00:12:22,181 Look, I know you're Karen's mate, 220 00:12:22,221 --> 00:12:25,421 but if there's ever anything you think we should know... 221 00:12:26,581 --> 00:12:29,861 Yeah, well, like you say, she's me mate. 222 00:12:29,901 --> 00:12:32,941 And you're loyal to your mates, I'm sure. 223 00:12:32,981 --> 00:12:35,821 But I'm sure you want the truth as much as we do. 224 00:12:39,701 --> 00:12:41,141 Yeah, right. 225 00:12:44,581 --> 00:12:46,341 Are they back? Yeah. 226 00:12:46,381 --> 00:12:48,941 How's Shannon? They ain't got her. 227 00:12:48,981 --> 00:12:50,261 You what? 228 00:12:58,701 --> 00:13:01,461 I don't get it. Why won't they let her back? 229 00:13:01,501 --> 00:13:03,661 They wouldn't tell us. That's fucking ridiculous. 230 00:13:03,701 --> 00:13:06,221 Unless there's summat t'police aren't happy with, Karen. 231 00:13:06,261 --> 00:13:08,661 What you talking about? How were Shannon, anyway? 232 00:13:08,701 --> 00:13:10,261 We didn't see her. 233 00:13:10,301 --> 00:13:12,661 Jesus, why not? They said it were procedure. 234 00:13:12,701 --> 00:13:13,861 Procedure? 235 00:13:13,901 --> 00:13:15,941 She's your child, you can insist! I daren't, Julie. 236 00:13:15,981 --> 00:13:18,581 So what have you been doing all this time, if you haven't seen her? 237 00:13:18,621 --> 00:13:20,621 They've been mithering us t'death wi' questions. 238 00:13:20,661 --> 00:13:22,701 With what questions? About Mick Donovan and that. 239 00:13:22,741 --> 00:13:24,341 I thought you said you didn't know him? 240 00:13:24,381 --> 00:13:27,061 I must have met him at the funeral, but I didn't know his name or nowt. 241 00:13:27,101 --> 00:13:28,101 But you sat on his knee? 242 00:13:28,141 --> 00:13:29,901 Will you stop going on about that, Natalie? 243 00:13:29,941 --> 00:13:32,021 Yeah, what were you doing it for? Get off, will ya! 244 00:13:32,061 --> 00:13:34,861 Well, you embarrassed him. I dunno. I were probably pissed. 245 00:13:34,901 --> 00:13:37,821 It's always t'same, it's always me people take it out on! 246 00:13:37,861 --> 00:13:40,781 I get bullied, and pushed around and I'm sick of it. 247 00:13:41,941 --> 00:13:43,381 Move! Move! 248 00:13:45,101 --> 00:13:48,101 But you've told t'truth, haven't you? You wouldn't lie to the police. 249 00:13:48,141 --> 00:13:49,821 No! 250 00:13:49,861 --> 00:13:51,341 Or to us? 251 00:13:51,381 --> 00:13:53,861 Course not, Julie! I'd never lie to you. 252 00:13:53,901 --> 00:13:55,301 You're me best friend. 253 00:13:56,821 --> 00:13:59,701 Then it'll all be all right. 254 00:13:59,741 --> 00:14:01,861 We'll have Shannon home back before you know it... 255 00:14:01,901 --> 00:14:04,141 And in t'meantime, we've got the, "Tree For Shannon" 256 00:14:04,181 --> 00:14:08,421 to look forward to. Thanks, Julie. Dunno what I'd do without you. 257 00:14:08,461 --> 00:14:10,381 KAREN SNIFFLES AND SIGHS 258 00:14:31,541 --> 00:14:36,341 OK, everyone. We're gathered here for a very special occasion. 259 00:14:36,381 --> 00:14:39,101 It's an event that is many things. 260 00:14:39,141 --> 00:14:42,781 It's a celebration that Shannon's been found. 261 00:14:42,821 --> 00:14:46,501 Of the magnificent way this community has come together to love 262 00:14:46,541 --> 00:14:50,821 and support Karen and her family through their terrible ordeal. 263 00:14:50,861 --> 00:14:55,261 We're now going to plant this tree as an act of thanksgiving... 264 00:14:55,301 --> 00:14:59,541 and a symbol of what's happened here, for years to come. 265 00:14:59,581 --> 00:15:01,221 Julie... 266 00:15:03,861 --> 00:15:05,301 Here you are, Karen. 267 00:15:08,541 --> 00:15:11,021 CHEERING 268 00:15:16,181 --> 00:15:18,101 # Kum ba yah, my Lord, 269 00:15:18,141 --> 00:15:20,781 # Kum ba yah! 270 00:15:20,821 --> 00:15:23,981 # Kum ba yah, my Lord Kum ba yah! # 271 00:15:24,021 --> 00:15:26,581 That's Julie's trademark. Balloons. 272 00:15:26,621 --> 00:15:28,901 # Kum ba yah, my Lord 273 00:15:28,941 --> 00:15:30,541 # Kum ba yah 274 00:15:31,701 --> 00:15:34,141 # O Lord, Kum ba yah... # 275 00:15:46,741 --> 00:15:49,181 How come the police don't let Shannon home? 276 00:15:49,221 --> 00:15:50,581 I don't know. 277 00:15:50,621 --> 00:15:52,821 They can't still be talking to her about what happened. 278 00:15:52,861 --> 00:15:54,541 Yeah, there must be summat else. 279 00:15:54,581 --> 00:15:56,901 Like what? Why assume it's some sinister reason. 280 00:15:56,941 --> 00:15:59,941 We're only asking what a lot of people on the estate are asking. 281 00:15:59,981 --> 00:16:02,901 Well, they can ask all they bloody like! No need t'get narky wi' us! 282 00:16:02,941 --> 00:16:04,741 I'm not! You are, Mum! 283 00:16:04,781 --> 00:16:07,101 It's us that's backed you up right through all this. 284 00:16:07,141 --> 00:16:10,221 Even though you've hardly done owt for us ever since it all kicked off. 285 00:16:10,261 --> 00:16:11,781 You what? That's bloody cobblers! 286 00:16:11,821 --> 00:16:14,301 It's true, it's been Shannon, Shannon, Shannon, 287 00:16:14,341 --> 00:16:15,821 ever since it all kicked off! 288 00:16:15,861 --> 00:16:17,181 We've hardly seen you. 289 00:16:17,221 --> 00:16:19,021 Well, you're seeing me now, aren't you? 290 00:16:19,061 --> 00:16:21,061 But why are you still so obsessed with her? 291 00:16:21,101 --> 00:16:24,021 You'll understand when you've had kiddies. 292 00:16:28,821 --> 00:16:30,261 Oh, now what's gone off? 293 00:16:30,301 --> 00:16:32,581 Here. Hold them. 294 00:16:32,621 --> 00:16:34,541 Bloody hell. That's what I mean! 295 00:16:34,581 --> 00:16:36,021 Sod off! 296 00:16:43,301 --> 00:16:46,061 Craig's been arrested. What for? 297 00:16:46,101 --> 00:16:47,581 Porn. 298 00:16:48,941 --> 00:16:50,741 What do you mean, porn? 299 00:16:50,781 --> 00:16:53,021 They've found porn on his computer. 300 00:16:54,701 --> 00:16:57,221 What kind of porn? Karen? 301 00:16:57,261 --> 00:16:59,101 I don't know! They've not told me owt. 302 00:16:59,141 --> 00:17:01,821 I'm afraid I can't talk about the reasons for his arrest. 303 00:17:01,861 --> 00:17:04,301 But the thing is, Karen's due to have her first proper contact 304 00:17:04,341 --> 00:17:05,621 with Shannon today. 305 00:17:06,981 --> 00:17:08,501 I didn't know. 306 00:17:08,541 --> 00:17:10,461 They told me not to tell anyone. 307 00:17:10,501 --> 00:17:13,661 Obviously, it's difficult timing but we don't want to let Shannon down. 308 00:17:13,701 --> 00:17:16,101 We need someone to look after her other kids. 309 00:17:16,141 --> 00:17:19,181 I can do that. And I'll help out an' all. 310 00:17:19,221 --> 00:17:21,781 Karen? 311 00:17:21,821 --> 00:17:24,541 Thanks, Julie. You're always there for me. 312 00:17:24,581 --> 00:17:27,221 It's all right, love, don't worry. The kids will be fine wi' us. 313 00:17:27,261 --> 00:17:28,901 Thanks a lot, yeah. 314 00:17:44,861 --> 00:17:47,421 People don't get arrested for porn. 315 00:17:47,461 --> 00:17:50,221 They do if it's kiddy porn. You think that's what it is? 316 00:17:50,261 --> 00:17:51,981 It's gotta be. 317 00:17:53,461 --> 00:17:55,541 Do you really think he's a paedo? 318 00:17:56,861 --> 00:18:00,821 If he's even looking at kiddy porn, he's a paedo in my book. 319 00:18:00,861 --> 00:18:03,181 You can't tell, can you? 320 00:18:03,221 --> 00:18:05,421 Can't tell what? 321 00:18:05,461 --> 00:18:07,981 If someone's a paedo, just by looking at 'em. 322 00:18:09,901 --> 00:18:13,341 Yeah, well, you can't tell who their victims are either. 323 00:18:14,541 --> 00:18:17,501 No, but... Sometimes you look at someone and... 324 00:18:18,581 --> 00:18:20,021 ..you wonder. 325 00:18:22,381 --> 00:18:23,581 Yeah, maybe... 326 00:18:26,261 --> 00:18:27,741 Maybe so. 327 00:18:31,781 --> 00:18:33,261 Who were it? 328 00:18:36,381 --> 00:18:38,901 Baby-sitter. When I were six. 329 00:18:40,901 --> 00:18:42,141 What happened? 330 00:18:44,061 --> 00:18:45,821 Sexually assaulted me... 331 00:18:50,021 --> 00:18:52,861 I just remember me brother and sister battering on t'door, 332 00:18:52,901 --> 00:18:54,461 wondering what were going on. 333 00:18:54,501 --> 00:18:56,141 Jesus, Natalie, I'm sorry. 334 00:18:59,701 --> 00:19:02,101 It's a long time ago. You try and move on. 335 00:19:07,301 --> 00:19:08,981 Yeah. You do, don't you? 336 00:19:12,421 --> 00:19:13,781 What, you too? 337 00:19:17,581 --> 00:19:19,821 Me Dad. All through me childhood. 338 00:19:23,941 --> 00:19:26,781 For better or worse, I said nowt... 339 00:19:26,821 --> 00:19:28,421 and years later he remarried - 340 00:19:28,461 --> 00:19:29,901 lass with kids. 341 00:19:31,221 --> 00:19:34,221 I looked at those kids at the wedding reception and I thought - 342 00:19:34,261 --> 00:19:36,901 "You can't risk them going through what you did." 343 00:19:36,941 --> 00:19:38,541 So I went to t'police. 344 00:19:38,581 --> 00:19:39,861 Bloody hell. 345 00:19:39,901 --> 00:19:41,261 He got eight years. 346 00:19:46,781 --> 00:19:48,581 Brave or what? 347 00:19:48,621 --> 00:19:50,021 No, not brave. 348 00:19:51,461 --> 00:19:54,221 Just wanted to try and protect them kiddies. 349 00:20:03,061 --> 00:20:04,301 PHONE RINGS 350 00:20:06,861 --> 00:20:08,861 Hello? 351 00:20:08,901 --> 00:20:10,621 Speaking... 352 00:20:12,981 --> 00:20:14,741 What, she wants me there? 353 00:20:17,541 --> 00:20:20,541 Yeah, yeah, I can do that. But why? 354 00:20:23,061 --> 00:20:27,181 OK, what about this orange one? Put that on. 355 00:20:27,221 --> 00:20:30,781 I've already given 'em a proper dinner, they don't need crap. 356 00:20:34,141 --> 00:20:36,101 What's all this about? 357 00:20:36,141 --> 00:20:38,101 I'm afraid we can't say till Karen arrives. 358 00:20:38,141 --> 00:20:40,741 I weren't born yesterday. I can see what's coming. 359 00:20:40,781 --> 00:20:42,221 Karen has to be told first. 360 00:20:42,261 --> 00:20:43,781 DOOR OPENS 361 00:20:45,341 --> 00:20:46,781 Hiya, Julie. 362 00:20:46,821 --> 00:20:48,301 Hiya, Karen love. 363 00:20:48,341 --> 00:20:49,741 Hiya, darlings. Hi. 364 00:20:54,901 --> 00:20:57,021 What's happening, then? 365 00:20:57,061 --> 00:20:59,381 Shall we move through here? 366 00:20:59,421 --> 00:21:00,861 What for? 367 00:21:02,021 --> 00:21:04,781 Just do as she asks, Karen, love, go on. 368 00:21:04,821 --> 00:21:07,581 What's going on? It's all right. Let's go in here. 369 00:21:08,621 --> 00:21:09,981 Take a seat... 370 00:21:11,541 --> 00:21:13,221 Sit down here, love. 371 00:21:19,261 --> 00:21:20,261 Karen... 372 00:21:21,701 --> 00:21:25,021 ..we're going to have to ask you to give up your children. 373 00:21:25,061 --> 00:21:26,861 What do you mean, give 'em up? 374 00:21:26,901 --> 00:21:29,781 You're aware Craig's been charged with possessing child pornography? 375 00:21:29,821 --> 00:21:32,421 I've already explained that to Karen. 376 00:21:32,461 --> 00:21:35,621 In the light of that, we feel it's in the children's best interests 377 00:21:35,661 --> 00:21:38,461 if we look after them while Craig goes through his court case. 378 00:21:38,501 --> 00:21:40,941 No! You're not having me kids! For their own protection. 379 00:21:40,981 --> 00:21:42,781 But it's Craig been arrested, not me! 380 00:21:42,821 --> 00:21:44,741 And hostility towards him on the estate 381 00:21:44,781 --> 00:21:46,341 might easily turn towards you. 382 00:21:46,381 --> 00:21:48,581 We cannot risk the children being exposed to that. 383 00:21:48,621 --> 00:21:49,821 No! You're not having 'em! 384 00:21:49,861 --> 00:21:51,701 Hopefully, this is just a temporary measure. 385 00:21:51,741 --> 00:21:53,221 Karen... No! You're not taking 'em! 386 00:21:53,261 --> 00:21:55,421 Karen, love, if you don't give 'em up voluntarily, 387 00:21:55,461 --> 00:21:57,981 they'll just take them anyway. I can't give 'em up, Julie! 388 00:21:58,021 --> 00:21:59,461 Listen to me! 389 00:21:59,501 --> 00:22:02,541 If you don't agree, you'll never get 'em back. 390 00:22:02,581 --> 00:22:05,101 Let 'em go and you have a chance. 391 00:22:05,141 --> 00:22:08,421 But they're me babies! I know, love, I know. 392 00:22:10,021 --> 00:22:12,141 Will you... Will... 393 00:22:12,181 --> 00:22:15,381 Can they not at least go and live with you, Julie? 394 00:22:15,421 --> 00:22:17,741 I'd love that, but they'd never agree. 395 00:22:17,781 --> 00:22:20,421 If you'd like to go back in and say goodbye to them now. 396 00:22:20,461 --> 00:22:21,661 Oh, no... 397 00:22:21,701 --> 00:22:23,821 Come on, Karen, love, they'll be OK. 398 00:22:23,861 --> 00:22:27,661 No, I don't want to leave me babies! No, I can't... 399 00:22:28,941 --> 00:22:31,661 Come on Karen, love. No, I don't want to leave me babies. 400 00:22:31,701 --> 00:22:33,341 Come on, you can do it, love. 401 00:22:33,381 --> 00:22:36,101 I'm not leaving 'em, I don't want to leave 'em... 402 00:22:36,141 --> 00:22:38,701 Come on, love, you can do it. 403 00:22:38,741 --> 00:22:40,941 I don't want to... 404 00:22:40,981 --> 00:22:42,941 Come on, Karen, you can do it, love. 405 00:22:52,701 --> 00:22:55,901 How were Karen when she saw Shannon? 406 00:22:55,941 --> 00:22:59,661 Sort of... blank. 407 00:22:59,701 --> 00:23:02,141 Well, she'll have been in shock over what happened to Craig. 408 00:23:02,181 --> 00:23:04,221 I don't know if that explains it. 409 00:23:04,261 --> 00:23:06,901 Well, she weren't blank when the Social took her kids, 410 00:23:06,941 --> 00:23:08,181 it tore her heart out. 411 00:23:09,381 --> 00:23:10,741 Oh, cheers, love. 412 00:23:10,781 --> 00:23:12,261 Thank you. 413 00:23:12,301 --> 00:23:14,741 I'm glad you know when she's acting and when she isn't, 414 00:23:14,781 --> 00:23:16,701 because sometimes I struggle. 415 00:23:16,741 --> 00:23:18,661 Yeah, well, Natalie says that, and the others. 416 00:23:18,701 --> 00:23:20,141 Bottom line is, Karen can be a div, 417 00:23:20,181 --> 00:23:22,061 but she's told the truth about Shannon. 418 00:23:22,101 --> 00:23:23,901 Are you sure? 419 00:23:23,941 --> 00:23:25,541 Can't find anywhere, Karen. 420 00:23:26,901 --> 00:23:28,381 You what? 421 00:23:28,421 --> 00:23:30,541 I'm still trying to find somewhere for you to stay. 422 00:23:30,581 --> 00:23:31,981 I've tried your parents. 423 00:23:32,021 --> 00:23:33,381 I've told yer, they won't have me. 424 00:23:33,421 --> 00:23:36,261 They said I'm dead to 'em since I got with Craig. 425 00:23:36,301 --> 00:23:38,821 I've tried other family, women's refuges, hostels, 426 00:23:38,861 --> 00:23:40,541 I can't find anyone. 427 00:23:40,581 --> 00:23:43,381 Why can't I just go home? Or stop at Julie's? 428 00:23:43,421 --> 00:23:45,581 You can't go back to the estate. 429 00:23:45,621 --> 00:23:48,781 Why can't she? We can't guarantee her safety. 430 00:23:48,821 --> 00:23:50,781 How do you mean? 431 00:23:50,821 --> 00:23:53,781 Because of Craig being arrested. It'll be all over the estate. 432 00:23:53,821 --> 00:23:56,381 You think we'll go turn into a lynch mob? 433 00:23:56,421 --> 00:23:58,141 No. But we can't risk it. 434 00:23:58,181 --> 00:24:01,261 You're in luck. Your brother's agreed you can stop with him. 435 00:24:01,301 --> 00:24:02,781 But he hates me an' all. 436 00:24:06,181 --> 00:24:07,341 KAREN SIGHS 437 00:24:21,701 --> 00:24:24,381 We're calling him Liam. Has he had his first shit yet? 438 00:24:24,421 --> 00:24:25,661 Hey, shut up, you. 439 00:24:27,181 --> 00:24:30,261 Here have a hold, Mum. 440 00:24:30,301 --> 00:24:33,101 You know me, I'm not sentimental about babies. 441 00:24:33,141 --> 00:24:35,421 Who are you kidding? Hold your grandson. 442 00:24:38,421 --> 00:24:39,861 BABY GURGLES 443 00:24:43,381 --> 00:24:45,181 All right. 444 00:24:45,221 --> 00:24:46,821 THEY CHUCKLE 445 00:24:46,861 --> 00:24:50,341 Aww, oh, what a little cracker. 446 00:24:50,381 --> 00:24:52,381 BABY GURGLES 447 00:25:26,741 --> 00:25:28,341 You all right, Natalie? 448 00:25:28,381 --> 00:25:30,061 Yeah. I'm just off to Asda. 449 00:25:30,101 --> 00:25:31,621 I'll give you a lift. 450 00:25:42,381 --> 00:25:45,021 'Well, it's hard to sleep, really, it's just... 451 00:25:45,061 --> 00:25:47,821 'House doesn't feel the same without...' 452 00:25:47,861 --> 00:25:50,021 ..her not being there, really... 453 00:25:50,061 --> 00:25:51,741 It just... 454 00:25:51,781 --> 00:25:53,061 Just feels empty... 455 00:25:54,821 --> 00:25:57,861 Whoever's got Shannon, please, let her go... 456 00:25:57,901 --> 00:26:01,501 Her family's missing her, all her friends are missing her at school. 457 00:26:02,621 --> 00:26:05,141 REPORTER: Have you any idea who may have her? 458 00:26:06,421 --> 00:26:12,341 I think that... someone out there... who knows Shannon... 459 00:26:12,381 --> 00:26:14,861 but probably... knows me as well. 460 00:26:14,901 --> 00:26:16,981 What you watching that for, anyway? 461 00:26:17,021 --> 00:26:18,781 I just want her home safe, really. 462 00:26:18,821 --> 00:26:21,141 Belt up and make me a brew, will you? 463 00:26:21,181 --> 00:26:23,821 But Shannon's found. Brew! Now. 464 00:26:23,861 --> 00:26:26,541 I just can't trust 'em. 465 00:26:26,581 --> 00:26:30,181 REPORTER: Can you recall the last words you and Shannon exchanged? 466 00:26:30,221 --> 00:26:33,341 "Bye, Mum. Love you." 467 00:26:37,861 --> 00:26:39,381 CAMERAS CLICK 468 00:26:47,101 --> 00:26:50,261 Look, I have told you everything I know and everything I've seen. 469 00:26:50,301 --> 00:26:52,261 And I can tell you're not happy. 470 00:26:54,101 --> 00:26:56,781 I mean, we've both seen things that have made us suspicious. 471 00:26:56,821 --> 00:26:59,301 We both think she knows more than she's saying. 472 00:26:59,341 --> 00:27:00,941 Yeah, but you're the copper. 473 00:27:00,981 --> 00:27:02,741 It's your job to find out what it is. 474 00:27:02,781 --> 00:27:04,381 I've tried, Natalie. 475 00:27:04,421 --> 00:27:07,261 I've asked her questions till I'm blue in the face. 476 00:27:08,381 --> 00:27:11,221 The whole force is under a lot of pressure. 477 00:27:13,021 --> 00:27:16,301 This has been our biggest inquiry since the Ripper. 478 00:27:16,341 --> 00:27:19,261 We've spent millions and we've still not really got any answers. 479 00:27:19,301 --> 00:27:20,941 Yeah, but what can I do? 480 00:27:20,981 --> 00:27:22,981 Try and get through to her. 481 00:27:23,021 --> 00:27:25,661 Tell her she owes you the truth as a mate. 482 00:27:25,701 --> 00:27:28,541 How? She's not picking up me calls. She won't answer me texts. 483 00:27:28,581 --> 00:27:30,501 I don't even think we are mates any more. 484 00:27:30,541 --> 00:27:33,421 And it's cos I keep asking her awkward questions. 485 00:27:33,461 --> 00:27:37,101 Well, none of us are going to be happy till we do have the truth. 486 00:27:39,541 --> 00:27:42,741 I feel like bloody thumping her, to be honest! 487 00:27:45,781 --> 00:27:47,421 Thanks for the lift. 488 00:28:00,221 --> 00:28:02,181 Oh! Oh, you shouldn't have. 489 00:28:02,221 --> 00:28:06,061 I wanted to. Not every day me best mate becomes a grandma... 490 00:28:07,821 --> 00:28:10,581 We are best mates, aren't we? 491 00:28:10,621 --> 00:28:13,621 Natalie's your best mate. No, you are now. 492 00:28:15,661 --> 00:28:18,901 Can't be easy for you, though. What? 493 00:28:18,941 --> 00:28:22,741 Me prattling on about me new grandson. And you wi'out your kids. 494 00:28:22,781 --> 00:28:24,901 You must be missing them like mad. 495 00:28:24,941 --> 00:28:26,861 Yeah, I'm missing them like mad. 496 00:28:27,901 --> 00:28:29,821 Do you mean that, Karen? 497 00:28:29,861 --> 00:28:31,341 Course. 498 00:28:31,381 --> 00:28:32,701 Missing 'em like mad. 499 00:28:37,101 --> 00:28:40,541 Yeah, you're right! It's me! 500 00:28:40,581 --> 00:28:43,661 Karen, what you doing? What do you mean? 501 00:28:43,701 --> 00:28:45,501 Drawing attention to yourself. 502 00:28:45,541 --> 00:28:49,781 Well, I were only waving. They must have recognised me from t'telly. 503 00:28:49,821 --> 00:28:52,461 Well, all that's over now. Shannon's been found. 504 00:28:52,501 --> 00:28:54,701 You don't need any publicity any more. 505 00:28:54,741 --> 00:28:56,581 But I like it when people recognise me. 506 00:28:56,621 --> 00:28:59,101 Karen, pack it in! 507 00:28:59,141 --> 00:29:01,741 You should be concentrating on getting your life back on track, 508 00:29:01,781 --> 00:29:03,701 not farting around like some daft celebrity. 509 00:29:03,741 --> 00:29:05,421 Don't get mad with me, Julie! Please! 510 00:29:05,461 --> 00:29:07,341 Well, you need to start acting like a grown-up! 511 00:29:07,381 --> 00:29:09,941 Otherwise, you'll never get Shannon back, or your other kids! 512 00:29:09,981 --> 00:29:12,261 I know, I know. That is what you want, innit? 513 00:29:12,301 --> 00:29:14,421 Course it is. Are you sure? 514 00:29:14,461 --> 00:29:17,061 Honest. Why would I lie to you, Julie? 515 00:29:17,101 --> 00:29:20,021 I'd never lie to you. About anything? No, never. 516 00:29:21,421 --> 00:29:23,661 And you've never lied to me about Shannon? 517 00:29:23,701 --> 00:29:26,501 No, course not! 518 00:29:26,541 --> 00:29:29,061 Will you stop being mad wi' me now? Please? 519 00:29:35,781 --> 00:29:36,901 Hey, that's lovely. 520 00:29:39,541 --> 00:29:40,981 Yeah, look, 521 00:29:41,021 --> 00:29:43,941 I know I'm a... I'm a right tight arse but here... 522 00:29:43,981 --> 00:29:46,741 Oh, Julie! You can't give me that. Go on. Put it on. 523 00:29:49,621 --> 00:29:52,061 Oh... 524 00:29:52,101 --> 00:29:53,541 It's fab. 525 00:29:55,181 --> 00:29:56,541 SHE SNIFFLES 526 00:29:57,741 --> 00:29:59,581 Aw, thanks so much. 527 00:30:02,101 --> 00:30:03,661 Mates for ever, eh? 528 00:30:11,101 --> 00:30:13,141 Do you fancy an all-day breakfast? 529 00:30:13,181 --> 00:30:14,701 Yeah. Yeah. Go on. 530 00:30:19,301 --> 00:30:21,261 PHONE CHIMES 531 00:30:37,141 --> 00:30:39,421 Look, we both know she's been lying to us. 532 00:30:39,461 --> 00:30:41,661 Lying about what, though? I don't know. 533 00:30:41,701 --> 00:30:44,341 Well, if police haven't got her to admit she's doing owt wrong, 534 00:30:44,381 --> 00:30:45,941 maybe there's nowt to admit to? 535 00:30:45,981 --> 00:30:47,981 You don't really believe that, Julie. 536 00:30:48,021 --> 00:30:50,021 Or you wouldn't have come round here. 537 00:30:50,061 --> 00:30:53,981 I think it's eating away at you just as much as it is me. 538 00:30:54,021 --> 00:30:56,461 All right. Fair enough. 539 00:30:56,501 --> 00:30:59,781 Yeah, but what do we do? 540 00:30:59,821 --> 00:31:02,341 Well, we have it out with her. You and me. 541 00:31:02,381 --> 00:31:05,381 Once and for all. How? She's not allowed on t'estate. 542 00:31:05,421 --> 00:31:08,061 And even if she were, she wouldn't speak to me. 543 00:31:08,101 --> 00:31:10,261 She knows I think there's something she's hiding, 544 00:31:10,301 --> 00:31:11,541 and she's shit scared of me! 545 00:31:11,581 --> 00:31:14,981 There's got to be a way, Natalie. I can't stand this any more. 546 00:31:19,981 --> 00:31:21,621 They should be here by now. 547 00:31:21,661 --> 00:31:23,061 Calm down, Julie. 548 00:31:23,101 --> 00:31:24,781 Christine said it were her day off. 549 00:31:24,821 --> 00:31:28,621 If she said she'll do it, she will. Yeah, but suppose Karen refused? 550 00:31:31,741 --> 00:31:33,821 She hasn't. Look... 551 00:31:50,621 --> 00:31:53,301 Natalie's not going to batter me, is she? 552 00:31:53,341 --> 00:31:55,301 Course not. They just want a chat. 553 00:32:01,261 --> 00:32:02,621 KAREN BREATHES HEAVILY 554 00:32:11,741 --> 00:32:13,461 All right, Karen? 555 00:32:13,501 --> 00:32:15,541 Yeah, I'm all right, Julie. 556 00:32:15,581 --> 00:32:17,781 You're me friend, aren't you, Karen? Yeah. 557 00:32:17,821 --> 00:32:20,621 And your Natalie's friend? Yeah. 558 00:32:20,661 --> 00:32:22,901 And you said, friends don't lie to each other. 559 00:32:22,941 --> 00:32:25,021 Didn't you? Did I? 560 00:32:25,061 --> 00:32:27,021 Yeah, you did. 561 00:32:27,061 --> 00:32:28,661 And er, the thing about friends is... 562 00:32:28,701 --> 00:32:30,821 You can tell them absolutely anything? 563 00:32:30,861 --> 00:32:33,541 I suppose. I still don't know why we're doing this. 564 00:32:33,581 --> 00:32:36,141 Because we've got some questions. Like what? 565 00:32:36,181 --> 00:32:37,421 Did you know where Shannon was? 566 00:32:37,461 --> 00:32:39,101 All that time she were with Mick Donovan? 567 00:32:39,141 --> 00:32:40,621 No! I keep telling everyone. 568 00:32:40,661 --> 00:32:42,581 I know that's what you keep telling everyone. 569 00:32:42,621 --> 00:32:45,541 But if the truth's summat different, we want to know. 570 00:32:45,581 --> 00:32:48,141 There's rumours going round estate, you did know. 571 00:32:48,181 --> 00:32:49,661 They're not true. 572 00:32:49,701 --> 00:32:52,661 There's rumours going round estate, you and Donovan planned it, 573 00:32:52,701 --> 00:32:53,861 to get reward money. 574 00:32:53,901 --> 00:32:56,381 That's lies. I'd never have done that to Shannon for money. 575 00:32:56,421 --> 00:32:58,141 Is there some other reason why you'd do it? 576 00:32:58,181 --> 00:32:59,501 What other reason could there be? 577 00:32:59,541 --> 00:33:01,941 I don't know. That's why she's asking. 578 00:33:01,981 --> 00:33:03,661 Is it owt to do with Craig? 579 00:33:03,701 --> 00:33:06,141 I don't want to talk about Craig! I fucking hate him. 580 00:33:06,181 --> 00:33:07,541 Why, cos of kiddy porn? 581 00:33:07,581 --> 00:33:10,541 I hated him before that! I've hated him for ages! 582 00:33:10,581 --> 00:33:13,061 He's ruined me whole fuckin' life! Why? 583 00:33:13,101 --> 00:33:15,981 Weren't you happy about how he were wi' your kids? 584 00:33:16,021 --> 00:33:19,661 I don't want to talk about it! I wish I'd never fuckin' met him! 585 00:33:19,701 --> 00:33:21,701 Because when you came to stay at my house, 586 00:33:21,741 --> 00:33:24,061 I didn't think t'kids liked being around him at all. 587 00:33:24,101 --> 00:33:26,541 Didn't you trust him with 'em, Karen? 588 00:33:26,581 --> 00:33:28,861 I wouldn't stay with a fella I didn't trust with me kids. 589 00:33:28,901 --> 00:33:30,301 I didn't want to do it! 590 00:33:31,861 --> 00:33:34,141 KAREN SOBS 591 00:33:35,301 --> 00:33:37,941 I didn't know how else to get out of it... 592 00:33:39,141 --> 00:33:41,501 Get out of what? Being wi' Craig? 593 00:33:42,621 --> 00:33:44,541 Karen, answer. 594 00:33:44,581 --> 00:33:47,341 That were the day I were thinking of doing it! 595 00:33:47,381 --> 00:33:50,061 What, you mean the day Shannon disappeared? 596 00:33:50,101 --> 00:33:52,821 I had me bags packed and everything! But it all went wrong. 597 00:33:52,861 --> 00:33:55,461 How? Cos of Craig! 598 00:33:55,501 --> 00:33:56,661 How do you mean? 599 00:33:56,701 --> 00:33:58,781 I were going to leave while he were at work, 600 00:33:58,821 --> 00:34:00,501 but he never went in that day. 601 00:34:00,541 --> 00:34:03,381 I couldn't leave wi'out t'kids, and Shannon were already at Mick's. 602 00:34:03,421 --> 00:34:05,061 Yeah, but why Mick's? 603 00:34:05,101 --> 00:34:07,901 I were just desperate to get away from Craig. 604 00:34:07,941 --> 00:34:11,341 I couldn't go to me mum's. I hardly even knew Mick Donovan, 605 00:34:11,381 --> 00:34:14,701 but he said me and the kids could stop wi' him for a few days... 606 00:34:14,741 --> 00:34:17,021 I didn't know what else to do. 607 00:34:17,061 --> 00:34:18,221 So, that was the plan? 608 00:34:18,261 --> 00:34:21,181 Mick, he'd pick Shannon up from school and then you'd leave 609 00:34:21,221 --> 00:34:23,941 home later wi' the kids and join them, but you couldn't? 610 00:34:23,981 --> 00:34:25,461 I cou... 611 00:34:25,501 --> 00:34:28,621 Craig was still in the house. I were trapped... 612 00:34:28,661 --> 00:34:30,581 I didn't know what to do. 613 00:34:30,621 --> 00:34:33,541 After she didn't come home from school, it got worse. 614 00:34:33,581 --> 00:34:37,101 People saying - "Where is she? Do this, do that. 615 00:34:37,141 --> 00:34:39,501 "Ring here, ring there." 616 00:34:39,541 --> 00:34:42,861 Then someone said - "You'd best ring 999." 617 00:34:42,901 --> 00:34:44,821 So I did and... 618 00:34:44,861 --> 00:34:46,701 And what, Karen? 619 00:34:46,741 --> 00:34:49,981 It all got out of hand. One thing led to another. 620 00:34:50,021 --> 00:34:52,061 You couldn't stop it? 621 00:34:52,101 --> 00:34:55,861 You couldn't bring yourself to say you'd told a big fat lie? 622 00:34:57,701 --> 00:34:59,021 Karen, answer. 623 00:35:00,861 --> 00:35:03,501 WAILING: Yes...! 624 00:35:05,981 --> 00:35:08,941 ..it's true... 625 00:35:10,061 --> 00:35:13,261 I knew where she were all along and I should have said... 626 00:35:13,301 --> 00:35:16,101 I know I should, but I didn't know how... 627 00:35:17,541 --> 00:35:21,381 I kept thinkin' Mick'd just hand her in and it'd all be over. 628 00:35:23,541 --> 00:35:25,901 Everyone's going to hate me now. 629 00:35:30,781 --> 00:35:32,181 I feel sick. 630 00:35:36,061 --> 00:35:40,261 I, I've done the right thing, haven't I, Julie? Telling you? 631 00:35:41,381 --> 00:35:43,941 You, you're still me friend? 632 00:35:45,421 --> 00:35:46,861 Julie?! 633 00:35:48,181 --> 00:35:49,421 Julie? 634 00:35:50,861 --> 00:35:52,621 SHE SOBS 635 00:36:09,781 --> 00:36:13,021 Karen Matthews, you are charged, firstly, that between the 636 00:36:13,061 --> 00:36:16,341 18th of February and the 15th of March, 2008, 637 00:36:16,381 --> 00:36:19,701 having responsibility for a child, namely Shannon Matthews, 638 00:36:19,741 --> 00:36:23,181 you wilfully neglected or abandoned the said child in 639 00:36:23,221 --> 00:36:27,821 a manner likely to cause unnecessary suffering or injury to her health. 640 00:36:27,861 --> 00:36:31,101 Secondly, that between the 18th of February and 641 00:36:31,141 --> 00:36:34,261 the 15th of March, 2008, at Dewsbury, 642 00:36:34,301 --> 00:36:37,301 contrary to Common Law, you did pervert the course of 643 00:36:37,341 --> 00:36:40,421 public justice by repeatedly concealing information as to the 644 00:36:40,461 --> 00:36:42,781 whereabouts of Shannon Matthews. 645 00:36:44,741 --> 00:36:47,261 CLAMOUR 646 00:36:49,461 --> 00:36:50,821 COW! 647 00:36:52,501 --> 00:36:55,421 ABUSIVE SHOUTING 648 00:36:59,861 --> 00:37:02,461 To think I had her staying in my house! 649 00:37:02,501 --> 00:37:04,701 I let that pervert Craig near my kids! 650 00:37:04,741 --> 00:37:07,541 We were supposed to be her friends. I mean, I feel used, don't you? 651 00:37:07,581 --> 00:37:09,581 She's took the piss out of all of us! 652 00:37:09,621 --> 00:37:10,901 And you helped her! 653 00:37:10,941 --> 00:37:12,181 Oh, shit out your mouth, you! 654 00:37:12,221 --> 00:37:13,701 Yeah, he's right, though Julie. 655 00:37:13,741 --> 00:37:16,181 I mean, you carried on helping her when it was plain as t'nose 656 00:37:16,221 --> 00:37:18,941 on your face that she were involved. Why? 657 00:37:18,981 --> 00:37:21,901 Cos I thought it were t'right thing to do, that's why. 658 00:37:21,941 --> 00:37:24,261 For what, for her or for you? What do you mean? 659 00:37:24,301 --> 00:37:26,741 Well, you liked being the centre of attention, didn't you? 660 00:37:26,781 --> 00:37:28,541 The Queen Bee. You didn't want to let it go. 661 00:37:28,581 --> 00:37:30,301 We trusted you, Julie! 662 00:37:30,341 --> 00:37:33,261 Oh, fuck off, Natalie! Fuck off, all of you! 663 00:37:34,541 --> 00:37:37,821 ABUSIVE SHOUTING 664 00:37:37,861 --> 00:37:40,741 Fuck off! 665 00:38:04,861 --> 00:38:06,621 Shitty enough for you, is it? 666 00:38:06,661 --> 00:38:08,381 Or do you want me to spray some more on? 667 00:38:08,421 --> 00:38:10,341 Yeah, that's right, go on! Get me an' all! 668 00:38:10,381 --> 00:38:12,701 I've got a pair of mingin' trackie bottoms at home 669 00:38:12,741 --> 00:38:14,021 with the arse hanging out. 670 00:38:14,061 --> 00:38:16,901 Do you want me to put them on for you? Go on, go down that way. 671 00:38:16,941 --> 00:38:19,381 I'm sure you'll find an old three-piece suite in someone's 672 00:38:19,421 --> 00:38:22,661 front garden - that'll give you a front page, that, won't it? 673 00:38:22,701 --> 00:38:24,141 Shit off! 674 00:38:28,061 --> 00:38:30,901 You've not changed nothing, you know, Julie. 675 00:38:30,941 --> 00:38:34,901 They still think we're all council house scum like Karen Matthews. 676 00:38:34,941 --> 00:38:36,901 Oh, fucking sling it, Cecil! 677 00:39:17,261 --> 00:39:19,741 I've just been to Shannon's school to see the headmaster. 678 00:39:19,781 --> 00:39:21,141 Why? 679 00:39:21,181 --> 00:39:24,461 Cos all her classmates and them other kids... 680 00:39:24,501 --> 00:39:27,621 They're expecting Shannon back. 681 00:39:27,661 --> 00:39:30,101 It's not going to happen now, is it? 682 00:39:30,141 --> 00:39:33,221 I mean, she's one of them, they care about her... 683 00:39:33,261 --> 00:39:36,021 I think they should have counselling. 684 00:39:36,061 --> 00:39:37,701 And what did the Head say? 685 00:39:37,741 --> 00:39:41,221 Wouldn't do it. They don't have the resources. 686 00:39:41,261 --> 00:39:44,021 So there's only one other thing I could do. 687 00:39:44,061 --> 00:39:45,901 What's that? 688 00:39:45,941 --> 00:39:48,421 Ask police to put Shannon in a car - 689 00:39:48,461 --> 00:39:50,261 drive her through the estate. 690 00:39:50,301 --> 00:39:52,061 You know, so they can see her... 691 00:39:53,341 --> 00:39:56,621 That way, even though she's not coming back...they'll know... 692 00:39:56,661 --> 00:39:58,701 They'll know she's alive. 693 00:40:02,421 --> 00:40:04,861 Oh, I've let 'em down, Kathy. 694 00:40:04,901 --> 00:40:08,261 Julie, you did everything you could. We all did. 695 00:40:10,301 --> 00:40:11,621 Sorry. 696 00:40:11,661 --> 00:40:12,981 It's all right. 697 00:40:15,061 --> 00:40:16,901 I wish I had faith like you. 698 00:40:18,221 --> 00:40:20,741 I used to. It were easier then. 699 00:40:23,061 --> 00:40:24,981 But it got smashed to pieces. 700 00:40:26,541 --> 00:40:27,861 How? 701 00:40:32,501 --> 00:40:38,461 I, er, I lost a little lad. Andrew. Cot death. 702 00:40:41,021 --> 00:40:44,661 Christened him at four months and he were dead at six... 703 00:40:48,341 --> 00:40:50,861 I'm so sorry. 704 00:40:50,901 --> 00:40:52,381 JULIE CLEARS THROAT 705 00:40:52,421 --> 00:40:53,781 Thank you. 706 00:40:57,741 --> 00:40:59,861 You may have lost your faith in God, 707 00:40:59,901 --> 00:41:02,941 but you haven't lost your faith in people. 708 00:41:04,261 --> 00:41:05,581 Have you? 709 00:41:07,981 --> 00:41:09,581 Not so sure about that. 710 00:41:11,341 --> 00:41:12,901 Not now. 711 00:41:41,821 --> 00:41:44,821 Not much use for this lot now, eh? You must be feeling a bit shit. 712 00:41:44,861 --> 00:41:46,581 Yeah, you could say. 713 00:41:46,621 --> 00:41:49,301 Broken Britain, we are, apparently... And this, 714 00:41:49,341 --> 00:41:51,021 that you lot have put out... 715 00:41:52,461 --> 00:41:56,461 Vigilante action against who? Karen's gone. It's ridiculous. 716 00:41:56,501 --> 00:41:59,181 Most of us are more depressed than angry. 717 00:42:01,341 --> 00:42:04,461 Anyway, you did us a big favour, you and Natalie. 718 00:42:04,501 --> 00:42:07,501 Proper Cagney & Lacey. You got to the truth. 719 00:42:07,541 --> 00:42:09,341 Did we? 720 00:42:09,381 --> 00:42:10,901 What, all of it? 721 00:42:12,221 --> 00:42:14,301 Look... 722 00:42:14,341 --> 00:42:18,181 I honestly think that what she said in the car was true. 723 00:42:18,221 --> 00:42:21,381 She were desperate to leave Craig, she had no money, 724 00:42:21,421 --> 00:42:24,101 no friends or family she could turn to. 725 00:42:24,141 --> 00:42:26,781 Donovan offered her to let her stay with him. 726 00:42:26,821 --> 00:42:29,261 Probably thought he could use her like other fellas have - 727 00:42:29,301 --> 00:42:30,821 get a few shags out of her. 728 00:42:30,861 --> 00:42:32,581 But then what? 729 00:42:32,621 --> 00:42:36,341 After that first night Shannon went missing - what happened then? 730 00:42:37,821 --> 00:42:41,021 Karen's now denying she knew anything about any of it. 731 00:42:41,061 --> 00:42:44,101 She won't even admit to what she said in the car. 732 00:42:44,141 --> 00:42:47,821 She's pointed the finger at all kinds of people - everybody... 733 00:42:47,861 --> 00:42:49,421 apart from herself. 734 00:42:49,461 --> 00:42:51,741 Just keeps digging herself in deeper and deeper. 735 00:42:51,781 --> 00:42:54,461 But her and Donovan, they're too thick to have come up with this by 736 00:42:54,501 --> 00:42:56,461 themselves, aren't they? 737 00:42:56,501 --> 00:42:58,261 I'd have to agree. 738 00:43:00,981 --> 00:43:03,021 Well, then, so who else were in on it? 739 00:43:05,701 --> 00:43:08,581 Craig? No, I honestly don't think so. 740 00:43:08,621 --> 00:43:10,141 Well, who, then? 741 00:43:11,301 --> 00:43:13,301 Not people from t'estate? 742 00:43:13,341 --> 00:43:15,781 I'm not going to speculate. 743 00:43:15,821 --> 00:43:17,501 We have our suspicions, 744 00:43:17,541 --> 00:43:20,461 and we've investigated various individuals but... 745 00:43:20,501 --> 00:43:22,221 found no evidence. 746 00:43:22,261 --> 00:43:24,821 If Karen'd stop telling story after story, then maybe we 747 00:43:24,861 --> 00:43:27,301 could get to the bottom of it. But she won't. 748 00:43:28,421 --> 00:43:29,901 I'm afraid she's made her own bed, 749 00:43:29,941 --> 00:43:31,901 now she's going to have to lie in it. 750 00:44:16,501 --> 00:44:19,901 We can't just pretend everything's still the same. 751 00:44:19,941 --> 00:44:21,501 But you've come. 752 00:44:23,501 --> 00:44:25,221 You're me only friend now. 753 00:44:26,541 --> 00:44:28,301 Just tell me it's all right. 754 00:44:29,421 --> 00:44:31,701 How can I tell you it's all right? 755 00:44:31,741 --> 00:44:34,021 After everything you've done to Shannon. 756 00:44:34,061 --> 00:44:35,301 I'm sorry. 757 00:44:36,541 --> 00:44:38,021 Say you'll forgive me. 758 00:44:38,061 --> 00:44:40,821 It's Shannon's forgiveness you should be asking. 759 00:44:40,861 --> 00:44:43,501 What you did to her was much worse than what you did to me. 760 00:44:43,541 --> 00:44:46,341 I can't even think about that. Yeah, well, you should. 761 00:44:46,381 --> 00:44:48,621 You've got the rest of your life to at least try 762 00:44:48,661 --> 00:44:50,381 and earn that forgiveness. 763 00:44:50,421 --> 00:44:52,061 I don't know how. 764 00:44:52,101 --> 00:44:54,541 Good place to start is wi' t'truth. 765 00:44:54,581 --> 00:44:56,021 I have told the truth. 766 00:44:56,061 --> 00:44:58,581 And are you still tellin' it now, in here? 767 00:44:58,621 --> 00:45:00,781 I can't remember what I've said. 768 00:45:00,821 --> 00:45:03,101 It's not a matter of remembering what you said. 769 00:45:03,141 --> 00:45:05,021 It's saying what happened. 770 00:45:05,061 --> 00:45:08,261 It weren't my fault, it were all down to Mick Donovan. 771 00:45:08,301 --> 00:45:10,301 I've done nowt wrong. None of it were my fault. 772 00:45:10,341 --> 00:45:12,981 Look, Karen, I know you're frightened but you're not doin' 773 00:45:13,021 --> 00:45:14,221 yourself any favours. 774 00:45:14,261 --> 00:45:16,421 I... 775 00:45:16,461 --> 00:45:19,301 I know I'm bad... Weak... But... 776 00:45:19,341 --> 00:45:22,261 I know that somewhere inside me there's someone who could be strong, 777 00:45:22,301 --> 00:45:24,901 who knows right from wrong... I just... 778 00:45:24,941 --> 00:45:26,581 can't seem to be that person. 779 00:45:26,621 --> 00:45:28,341 Well, bloody well try harder, Karen! 780 00:45:28,381 --> 00:45:30,621 I'm not like you, Julie... I wish I was... 781 00:45:30,661 --> 00:45:32,061 but I'm not. 782 00:45:33,141 --> 00:45:35,101 Just say you'll forgive me. 783 00:45:41,701 --> 00:45:42,821 Look. 784 00:45:44,101 --> 00:45:45,861 What? 785 00:45:45,901 --> 00:45:47,941 It's that one what you give me. 786 00:45:50,221 --> 00:45:51,781 Mates forever, eh? 787 00:45:56,501 --> 00:45:57,981 What? 788 00:46:00,181 --> 00:46:01,661 It's not even the same one. 789 00:46:03,461 --> 00:46:05,221 Didn't think you'd notice. 790 00:46:07,901 --> 00:46:11,461 You can't even tell the truth about a thing like that, can you? 791 00:46:11,501 --> 00:46:13,461 But you still love me? 792 00:46:15,621 --> 00:46:17,421 Will you still forgive me? 793 00:46:27,781 --> 00:46:30,621 So, rather than tell this court the truth, Miss Matthews, 794 00:46:30,661 --> 00:46:32,541 you have simply come up with more lies. 795 00:46:32,581 --> 00:46:33,981 No, I haven't. 796 00:46:34,021 --> 00:46:36,261 You have, in fact, changed your story several times. 797 00:46:36,301 --> 00:46:38,941 You're twisting it all round. How am I doing that? 798 00:46:38,981 --> 00:46:41,781 You're pushing me round, like everyone does. 799 00:46:41,821 --> 00:46:44,461 If you were telling the truth, there would be only one account, 800 00:46:44,501 --> 00:46:45,901 would there not? 801 00:46:46,941 --> 00:46:49,421 I put it to you that you and Donovan hatched the plan 802 00:46:49,461 --> 00:46:51,141 to abduct Shannon, together. 803 00:46:53,221 --> 00:46:56,621 And when the reward money reached a certain figure, you and 804 00:46:56,661 --> 00:47:00,741 Michael Donovan agreed he would take Shannon to Dewsbury Police Station, 805 00:47:00,781 --> 00:47:03,701 claiming he had found her on the market? 806 00:47:03,741 --> 00:47:06,021 It's not true. Instead of admitting it, 807 00:47:06,061 --> 00:47:08,381 you've tried to implicate everyone except yourself. 808 00:47:08,421 --> 00:47:10,101 SHE SNIFFLES 809 00:47:12,861 --> 00:47:14,821 Why are you crying, Miss Matthews? 810 00:47:17,541 --> 00:47:21,181 I put it to you that those are not tears of genuine remorse, 811 00:47:21,221 --> 00:47:24,541 but of self-pity. Am I not right? 812 00:47:24,581 --> 00:47:26,301 No. 813 00:47:38,781 --> 00:47:43,581 Look, I just, I want to ask her... "Why?" 814 00:47:45,821 --> 00:47:50,301 Just remember, it were me that stuck me neck out and said what I thought. 815 00:47:50,341 --> 00:47:52,541 You, Julie and t'rest said nowt. 816 00:47:54,261 --> 00:47:57,301 Just thought I was being a nasty hard-faced cow. 817 00:48:18,501 --> 00:48:19,581 Natalie Brown. 818 00:48:32,181 --> 00:48:34,621 So, Karen told us someone said she should ring 999 819 00:48:34,661 --> 00:48:36,421 and report Shannon as missing. 820 00:48:37,981 --> 00:48:41,341 Then I asked her if one thing led to another after that and 821 00:48:41,381 --> 00:48:45,501 she just couldn't bring herself to admit it were all a massive lie. 822 00:48:47,741 --> 00:48:50,261 Julie and me were sat there in t'back of t'car 823 00:48:50,301 --> 00:48:51,501 willing her to admit t'truth. 824 00:48:53,221 --> 00:48:56,741 And then she takes this massive intake of breath. 825 00:48:56,781 --> 00:48:58,781 I've never heard owt like it... 826 00:49:00,301 --> 00:49:02,861 And then suddenly it... just comes out. 827 00:49:04,461 --> 00:49:06,461 She says, "Yeah... 828 00:49:08,621 --> 00:49:09,741 "..it's true." 829 00:49:11,981 --> 00:49:13,301 I was speechless. 830 00:49:15,981 --> 00:49:18,821 I was so disgusted by her, I couldn't find any words. 831 00:49:18,861 --> 00:49:20,501 Please stick to the facts, Mrs Brown, 832 00:49:20,541 --> 00:49:22,141 your feelings are not relevant. 833 00:49:22,181 --> 00:49:24,061 I can't help it. I just thought... 834 00:49:25,101 --> 00:49:26,461 "You liar! 835 00:49:31,461 --> 00:49:34,541 "How could you have done that to your own child? 836 00:49:34,581 --> 00:49:37,341 "How could you have told such a pack of lies to people 837 00:49:37,381 --> 00:49:39,461 "you called friends?" 838 00:49:39,501 --> 00:49:41,701 UPROAR 839 00:49:46,661 --> 00:49:48,501 JUDGE: Quiet, please. 840 00:49:50,141 --> 00:49:51,581 DOOR OPENS 841 00:49:51,621 --> 00:49:53,261 Julie Bushby. 842 00:49:53,301 --> 00:49:55,981 Mrs Bushby, you are about to give evidence as a witness, 843 00:49:56,021 --> 00:49:58,221 but prior to that, you have been asked to make 844 00:49:58,261 --> 00:50:00,981 a brief assessment about the character of Miss Matthews. 845 00:50:01,021 --> 00:50:02,421 Understood. 846 00:50:02,461 --> 00:50:04,941 The reason for this is whereas we have 847 00:50:04,981 --> 00:50:08,461 a number of professional assessments of her co-defendant's character, 848 00:50:08,501 --> 00:50:11,461 which may assist the jury, we have none for Miss Matthews. 849 00:50:11,501 --> 00:50:13,421 So, if you would, in your own words, 850 00:50:13,461 --> 00:50:16,581 tell the court what sort of person you believe her to be. 851 00:50:24,341 --> 00:50:27,221 Karen Matthews is weak, cowardly and a liar. 852 00:50:30,301 --> 00:50:33,821 She put her child through a horrible experience. 853 00:50:33,861 --> 00:50:37,461 She let down her community and people she said were her friends. 854 00:50:39,501 --> 00:50:42,101 And even when she eventually told t'truth she went back to 855 00:50:42,141 --> 00:50:43,621 lying to save her own skin. 856 00:50:45,781 --> 00:50:49,021 That's what you all want me to say, innit? 857 00:50:49,061 --> 00:50:50,261 And it is the truth... 858 00:50:51,501 --> 00:50:53,981 But it's a long way from t'whole truth. 859 00:50:55,621 --> 00:50:58,341 If you want to know the whole truth, you need to understand that Karen 860 00:50:58,381 --> 00:51:00,741 is damaged. 861 00:51:00,781 --> 00:51:04,021 She's been used and abused since childhood - don't ask 862 00:51:04,061 --> 00:51:07,461 me by who - but I'm sure the list of people's a long one. 863 00:51:07,501 --> 00:51:09,981 Most of them are men who used her for sex. 864 00:51:12,181 --> 00:51:16,061 Karen let them get away with it because she doesn't understand that 865 00:51:16,101 --> 00:51:19,821 sex isn't the same thing as love or affection, which is what she 866 00:51:19,861 --> 00:51:22,101 really wanted. 867 00:51:22,141 --> 00:51:24,461 And she knew she were being taken advantage of, 868 00:51:24,501 --> 00:51:27,421 that she were being weak to let them get away with it. 869 00:51:27,461 --> 00:51:29,781 She's been weak about a lot of things. She's told lies. 870 00:51:29,821 --> 00:51:31,781 She's let people down... 871 00:51:31,821 --> 00:51:34,221 But I will not join in with the lynch mob. 872 00:51:36,421 --> 00:51:39,101 Other people may want to use her as a human punchbag, because it 873 00:51:39,141 --> 00:51:41,261 makes them feel better about their own lies 874 00:51:41,301 --> 00:51:42,661 and shit that they get up to - 875 00:51:42,701 --> 00:51:44,861 but I'll not do it. 876 00:51:44,901 --> 00:51:46,541 I've stood by her before... 877 00:51:48,061 --> 00:51:49,941 And I'm standing by her now. 878 00:51:51,661 --> 00:51:53,301 She's still me friend. 879 00:52:04,021 --> 00:52:06,941 Has the jury reached a verdict? Yes, my lord. 880 00:52:06,981 --> 00:52:09,061 On the charge of kidnap and false imprisonment, 881 00:52:09,101 --> 00:52:11,821 do you find the defendant Karen Matthews guilty or not guilty? 882 00:52:11,861 --> 00:52:13,181 Guilty. 883 00:52:13,221 --> 00:52:16,141 On the charge of perverting the course of justice, do you find 884 00:52:16,181 --> 00:52:18,901 the defendant Karen Matthews guilty or not guilty? 885 00:52:18,941 --> 00:52:20,461 Guilty. 886 00:52:20,501 --> 00:52:22,461 CHEERING 887 00:52:28,301 --> 00:52:29,941 Karen Matthews is pure evil. 888 00:52:31,381 --> 00:52:34,661 She started deceiving those closest to her, from the very moment 889 00:52:34,701 --> 00:52:36,381 that Shannon was kidnapped. 890 00:52:36,421 --> 00:52:39,461 Friends, neighbours and family were under the clear impression 891 00:52:39,501 --> 00:52:41,301 that Shannon was genuinely missing. 892 00:52:41,341 --> 00:52:43,941 They had no reason.... 893 00:53:32,261 --> 00:53:33,981 I've finished in the kitchen. 894 00:53:34,021 --> 00:53:36,501 Yeah, about four boxes left and then we are gone, that's all. 895 00:53:36,541 --> 00:53:37,901 All right. 896 00:53:42,661 --> 00:53:44,221 Natalie. 897 00:53:44,261 --> 00:53:45,581 All right. 898 00:53:47,861 --> 00:53:51,021 I'm, er... moving off t'estate... 899 00:53:52,141 --> 00:53:53,261 Me and Pete split up. 900 00:53:54,541 --> 00:53:56,141 Shit, I'm sorry. 901 00:53:56,181 --> 00:53:58,141 It's probably been coming anyway. 902 00:54:01,221 --> 00:54:02,341 And I had to get away. 903 00:54:03,501 --> 00:54:06,261 Can't face walking past that every day of me life. 904 00:54:08,261 --> 00:54:09,581 Still... 905 00:54:10,621 --> 00:54:13,141 You have to make t'best of things, don't you? 906 00:54:16,141 --> 00:54:17,381 You all right? 907 00:54:21,781 --> 00:54:24,541 Er, no, not really. 908 00:54:26,661 --> 00:54:28,381 I just find it hard, 909 00:54:28,421 --> 00:54:31,101 you know, to think that all that goodwill and decency just... 910 00:54:31,141 --> 00:54:32,541 evaporated... 911 00:54:33,941 --> 00:54:35,581 It were all for nowt... 912 00:54:37,061 --> 00:54:39,261 It weren't for nowt, Julie. 913 00:54:39,301 --> 00:54:41,541 You stuck up for this place. 914 00:54:43,021 --> 00:54:46,701 You made people think again about what we're really like. 915 00:54:46,741 --> 00:54:48,661 Folk admired you for it. 916 00:54:50,901 --> 00:54:53,181 Yeah, well, I stood up for Karen too, though, didn't I? 917 00:54:53,221 --> 00:54:54,981 They didn't admire me for that. 918 00:54:56,341 --> 00:54:58,581 I did. 919 00:54:58,621 --> 00:55:00,541 But you hate her. 920 00:55:00,581 --> 00:55:03,021 No... I don't hate her. 921 00:55:05,301 --> 00:55:07,421 I'm angry with her. 922 00:55:07,461 --> 00:55:10,021 And I could never forgive like you have. 923 00:55:12,341 --> 00:55:15,301 But I'll not call you for finding it in you to do it. 924 00:55:15,341 --> 00:55:18,101 Or for standing up for her in court when t'rest of t'world wanted 925 00:55:18,141 --> 00:55:19,741 to hang her. 926 00:55:22,341 --> 00:55:23,861 That took real guts. 927 00:55:27,821 --> 00:55:29,901 Thanks. 928 00:55:29,941 --> 00:55:32,661 Only being honest, Julie. 929 00:55:32,701 --> 00:55:35,741 Yeah, well, there'd never have been owt for 930 00:55:35,781 --> 00:55:38,501 me to forgive if you'd not forced Karen to tell t'truth. 931 00:55:38,541 --> 00:55:39,941 We both did that. 932 00:55:39,981 --> 00:55:42,021 But you were t'one who pushed it. 933 00:55:42,061 --> 00:55:45,261 If you hadn't, we'd all still be living wi' Karen's lies. 934 00:55:54,301 --> 00:55:56,541 Well, er... 935 00:55:56,581 --> 00:55:57,941 good luck, then. 936 00:55:59,501 --> 00:56:01,061 You too, Julie. 937 00:56:18,141 --> 00:56:20,621 If you don't teach it to fly, foxes get 'em. 938 00:56:20,661 --> 00:56:22,421 Right, then. Let's see. 939 00:56:22,461 --> 00:56:24,061 Get more under it, Peter. 940 00:56:24,101 --> 00:56:28,781 You're lifting it in t'air, not aiming at a coconut shy. 941 00:56:28,821 --> 00:56:32,061 DUCK QUACKS 942 00:56:32,101 --> 00:56:34,581 Needs a bit more practice, by looks of it. 943 00:56:34,621 --> 00:56:36,821 Come on, you, you best get off to school. 944 00:56:36,861 --> 00:56:38,301 Oh, is he back in school? 945 00:56:38,341 --> 00:56:39,901 Yeah. And behaving. 946 00:56:39,941 --> 00:56:41,261 Good lad! So far. 947 00:56:42,901 --> 00:56:44,461 See you, then. 948 00:56:44,501 --> 00:56:46,421 See you. Oi, pull your tie up! 949 00:56:47,941 --> 00:56:51,221 THEY CHUCKLE 950 00:56:53,821 --> 00:56:56,461 Ta. 951 00:56:58,061 --> 00:57:00,861 So, what's next for you, then, Julie? 952 00:57:01,941 --> 00:57:05,821 Ciggie, brew, bacon butty, then we'll see. 953 00:58:17,421 --> 00:58:19,421 Subtitles by accessibility@itv.com