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The library's closing.
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Oh.
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Thank you.
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Nance?
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It's so early.
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- What are you doing up?
- Making coffee.
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You been up long?
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I just can't get it out of my head.
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A dead body in my first listing.
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- Are you okay?
- I don't wanna go back to that house.
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Give it time.
We'll get the details.
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Bill, why do the police want my shoes?
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Am I a suspect?
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It's standard elimination procedure.
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There's nothing to worry about.
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Our phone number's
on that "For Sale" sign.
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We have to take it down.
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Nancy, that sign is evidence now.
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We can't touch it.
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Could you at least take my name
and number off?
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Please?
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I'll make a phone call.
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Thank you.
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Hello?
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Hey, Holden, it's Bill.
Sorry to call so early.
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Hey, Bill. What's up?
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Can't go to Atlanta today.
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Can we postpone?
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Why?
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I don't know if I caught something
from the kid or food poisoning.
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- Yeesh.
- I was up all night.
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- Yeah, I'll be back on my feet tomorrow.
- Don't worry about it, I'll go.
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- Alone?
- Yeah.
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- I don't know, Holden.
- I'm fine. I know what I'm doing.
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I'll interview Pierce.
You come down tomorrow.
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All right. I'll see you tomorrow morning.
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I'll call you tonight
to let you know how it went.
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Oh, hey, I almost forgot.
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Jim Barney will be at the airport.
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He's still really interested
in what we're doing here,
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so I said we could grab a cup of coffee.
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Jim Barney.
Why does that name sound familiar?
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You met him at the office.
He interviewed for Gregg's position.
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Oh, yeah, the black guy you like.
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I'll call him, tell him you're solo today.
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- Okay, thanks.
- See ya.
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I postponed.
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You did?
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I'll take your shoes, swing by the house,
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see what I can do
about the "For Sale" sign.
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Holden can handle today.
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- I'll join him tomorrow.
- Honey, thank you.
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- Mom?
- Hmm?
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- Hey, bud.
- I'm sorry.
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Brian!
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What happened?
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Why don't you wait for me in the bathroom,
and we'll get you all cleaned up?
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- I'm sorry.
- It's all right, honey. Go ahead.
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I'll have to strip the bed.
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Ladies and gentlemen,
this is your captain speaking.
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We're expecting a bit of turbulence.
Uh, we ask that you remain seated
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and keep your seat belts fastened
for the duration of the flight.
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As a result of ongoing construction
in Atlanta,
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we have yet to be assigned a gate
for our arrival,
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but as soon as we have more information,
we'll be sure to let you know.
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Agent Ford, Jim Barney. Good to see you.
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- Need help with that?
- I got it, thanks.
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Nothing checked?
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Big changes around here.
We taxied for 20 minutes.
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It'll be the world's largest airport
when it's finished.
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Bigger means better, right?
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So how's the new guy working out?
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Gunn?
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No, the other fellow. Smith.
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Gregg.
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Mixed bag.
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Not all bad.
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About as well as nepotism ever does.
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That's too bad.
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Bill was in your corner, you know.
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Bill and I were due to grab breakfast.
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He was gonna give me an update
on the BSU caseload.
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If you want to get a coffee,
maybe you could instead.
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How quickly can you ingest this file
on William Pierce?
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I already did that.
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And Hance.
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Excuse me, sir. It's a crime scene.
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Special Agent Tench. FBI.
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- Detective Spencer around?
- Let me get him for you, sir.
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Agent Tench. Uh, Bill.
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I brought you some shoes.
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Thank you.
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Hey, do you mind if I take my wife's name
and phone number off this sign?
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She's a little squeamish.
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I don't see why not.
I'll have it pulled and brought inside.
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Got it.
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You've been here all night.
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Yeah.
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Do you have a second?
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Sure.
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We used the code your wife gave us
to open the lockbox,
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but there were no keys in it.
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The front door was locked from the inside
and all the windows secure.
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That key only worked
on the front door, as I recall.
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Back door was open when we got here.
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Some mud had been tracked
through the family room.
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I've never s...
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I'm sorry.
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Would you mind?
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Not at all.
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Family reported the victim missing.
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One of our officers, out in the woods,
noticed the back door wide open.
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That's how we discovered the body.
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Watch your clothes,
there's lightening dust everywhere.
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There were no signs of trauma
to the hands or feet.
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There were bruises on the neck
and back of his head.
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He may have been dragged down the stairs.
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A lot of footprints.
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Adults and kids.
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This is where we found the victim.
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Down here.
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A baby?
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Toddler.
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Twenty-two months.
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Fuck.
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Did he go missing from his home?
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From the park.
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Fifty yards through the woods there.
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He was tied to two pieces of old flooring.
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Very carefully placed.
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On a cross.
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Crucified.
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Any adornments? Candles?
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Flowers?
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None.
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The face was covered with a rag.
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We found a pile of them in a cupboard.
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You think it might be a cult?
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Wouldn't be my first impression.
They tend to be more elaborate.
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The Dickinsons are just destroyed.
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I'll bet.
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Oh, no, that can't be.
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Oh, Bill, no!
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- I know them!
- You do?
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Yes! From church. You do too.
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And their baby boy is just a...
He's an angel.
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- How did he die?
- I don't know.
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Was he inside the house?
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Oh, God!
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On the new carpet? No, no!
Don't, don't, don't!
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Did they have to break a window to get in?
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No, the key was missing from the lockbox.
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No, no, no, don't tell me anything!
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We should go by.
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Offer our condolences.
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Make them... Bring them something.
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Not today, Nance.
They need a day or two just to...
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I have to call the owner of the house.
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Yeah, I think you do.
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What am I gonna say?
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Tell them the truth.
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Was there blood?
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- No.
- How do you know?
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You know more than you're saying.
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Those poor parents!
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I need a glass of wine...
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before I make the call.
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We're conducting interviews
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with people who have been convicted
of violent crimes.
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Anything we discuss
cannot be used against you in your appeals
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or applications for parole.
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We'll be asking you
about your family history,
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antecedent behavior, and thought patterns
surrounding the crimes.
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Our goal is to publish
a statistical analysis
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which will not include your name.
Does that sound all right?
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I ain't sure.
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- What is it you aren't sure about?
- What you just said.
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You got to slow way the fuck down.
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Sorry.
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No bother. No bother at all.
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I ain't got nothin' but time.
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- As I said, Mr. Pierce...
- Call me Junior.
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All right, Junior.
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We are talking to people,
such as yourself.
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Such as myself?
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You find a lot of people such as myself?
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I meant, people who have been convicted
of particularly violent crimes.
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Multiple murderers to be precise.
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Whatever we talk about,
anything you say in here won't...
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Can't be used against you in your appeals
or applications for parole.
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Hilarious.
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Got me an 880-year sentence.
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I ain't applying for no parole.
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I never gettin' outta here.
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Probably right.
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I'd like to start by asking
about your family history.
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Fine.
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- Antecedent behavior.
- Okay.
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- That means what you...
- I know what that means.
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I ain't half, I'm whole-witted.
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I speak seven languages, you know.
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No, I didn't know that. Impressive.
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As I was saying,
what you were thinking and doing...
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Spanish,
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German,
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French, Russian,
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Libyan,
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- and Apache.
- That's six.
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Well, I speak seven.
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Spanish,
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German,
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French,
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Russian,
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Libyan,
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Apache...
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English?
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Bingo!
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Also, what you thought and did
after you committed the murders.
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Let's start with your childhood.
How would you describe it?
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What's he gonna do while you and me
doing all this askin' and answerin'?
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He don't look like any FBI agent.
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- You know what I mean.
- No, I don't. What do you mean?
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Didn't think the FBI had coloreds.
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Learn something new every day.
Your childhood.
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How would you describe it?
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Poor.
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Could you give us just a little bit more?
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Real poor.
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All right.
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It was Depression times.
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Everyone was poor.
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Most kids were just skin and bones.
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No food on the table
unless you want to pick berries,
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or shoot yourself a squirrel.
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I ain't feeling self-commiseration now.
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- Everyone had it the same.
- Self... Never mind.
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How about your family?
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Only Momma.
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Shit-for-brains,
barely convert in English.
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But she loved me.
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Daddy?
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He weren't stupid.
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Got my intellick from his side.
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Run his mouth like no one's.
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One day he ran.
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He up and dissipated.
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- I'm sorry. Dissipated?
- Vamoosed.
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Spanish for run away.
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Did you like your father?
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No, sir.
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He bugged the p-i-s-s outta me.
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Well, that pretty much covers family.
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Do you mind if we...
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I'd like to ask questions
specifically about the crimes themselves.
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The eight murders.
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I'd like to answer them questions
specificus, that's Latin,
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but I can't.
Because I ain't done eight murders.
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- No?
- No what?
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It says right here, December 1970,
you raped...
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That confession was co-hearsed.
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The sheriff,
he put a cigarette out on my privates.
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Okay then, seven murders.
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00:16:01,085 --> 00:16:02,085
No.
264
00:16:02,836 --> 00:16:05,214
- No?
- Can't talk about seven murders
265
00:16:05,297 --> 00:16:06,942
because I ain't done seven murders
neither.
266
00:16:06,966 --> 00:16:07,966
I see.
267
00:16:10,344 --> 00:16:11,387
The waitress, Kathy.
268
00:16:11,470 --> 00:16:12,763
I ain't murdered any waitress.
269
00:16:14,223 --> 00:16:15,307
The housekeeper.
270
00:16:15,391 --> 00:16:16,809
I ain't murdered Virginia neither.
271
00:16:16,892 --> 00:16:17,892
Hazel.
272
00:16:20,062 --> 00:16:21,063
I ain't murdered Hazel.
273
00:16:21,146 --> 00:16:24,233
Junior, you confessed
to all three of those.
274
00:16:24,316 --> 00:16:25,234
Erogenously.
275
00:16:25,317 --> 00:16:26,819
- Erogenously?
- Wrongly.
276
00:16:26,902 --> 00:16:29,655
- It's right here in your confession.
- I can't help that.
277
00:16:31,198 --> 00:16:32,992
I did not murder them women.
278
00:16:33,075 --> 00:16:34,618
Then why confess?
279
00:16:35,327 --> 00:16:37,621
You can't confess to crimes
and then turn around and say
280
00:16:37,705 --> 00:16:39,140
- you didn't commit them.
- Yes, I can.
281
00:16:39,164 --> 00:16:40,374
No, you can't.
282
00:16:40,457 --> 00:16:41,583
Yes, I can.
283
00:16:42,751 --> 00:16:44,003
No, you can't.
284
00:16:44,086 --> 00:16:45,754
Yes, I can.
285
00:16:45,838 --> 00:16:47,840
- Not in the eyes of the law.
- Yes, I can.
286
00:16:47,923 --> 00:16:49,734
- Once you confess...
- You ever looked in the eyes of the law?
287
00:16:49,758 --> 00:16:51,111
- It's just a figure of speech.
- Have you?
288
00:16:51,135 --> 00:16:52,928
No, Junior, I have not.
289
00:16:53,012 --> 00:16:55,973
Don't go using some speech figure,
trying to get me say something
290
00:16:56,056 --> 00:16:58,100
- I ain't never gonna say.
- I apologize.
291
00:16:58,183 --> 00:17:01,103
I ain't gonna stand for
any of that co-hearsion ever again.
292
00:17:01,311 --> 00:17:02,938
- Ever!
- I understand.
293
00:17:03,022 --> 00:17:04,022
Oh.
294
00:17:05,065 --> 00:17:06,358
I see what you're getting at.
295
00:17:07,234 --> 00:17:08,902
What am I getting at, Junior?
296
00:17:08,986 --> 00:17:09,986
You think I'm simple.
297
00:17:10,654 --> 00:17:11,989
Let me tell you somethin'.
298
00:17:12,489 --> 00:17:14,491
That judge on them cases?
299
00:17:14,575 --> 00:17:17,703
He said I was continent to stand trial.
300
00:17:18,037 --> 00:17:19,496
So that there proves it.
301
00:17:20,414 --> 00:17:23,584
Junior, I just wanted some clarity
about you changing your mind.
302
00:17:23,667 --> 00:17:24,501
Oh.
303
00:17:24,585 --> 00:17:25,961
You can't figure that out?
304
00:17:26,045 --> 00:17:27,087
Think about it.
305
00:17:27,629 --> 00:17:29,298
- I was intimated.
- Intimated?
306
00:17:29,381 --> 00:17:30,799
Why you always repeating my words?
307
00:17:31,467 --> 00:17:34,928
You have a very impressive vocabulary,
308
00:17:35,012 --> 00:17:38,640
and I don't always understand
your colloquialisms.
309
00:17:40,934 --> 00:17:41,934
Yeah.
310
00:17:42,519 --> 00:17:43,771
I got all the good words.
311
00:17:43,854 --> 00:17:45,064
You certainly do.
312
00:17:46,231 --> 00:17:47,274
Thank you, Junior.
313
00:17:50,527 --> 00:17:51,612
You want one?
314
00:17:51,695 --> 00:17:53,947
Love one.
315
00:17:55,157 --> 00:17:56,617
Unless you're offering two.
316
00:18:00,913 --> 00:18:01,914
Hmm.
317
00:18:07,711 --> 00:18:10,047
The chocolate and the smooth...
318
00:18:10,798 --> 00:18:12,049
all in one treat.
319
00:18:14,384 --> 00:18:17,596
You don't ever get these in here.
320
00:18:19,681 --> 00:18:22,476
- Mm!
- You drove a truck, right?
321
00:18:24,103 --> 00:18:25,103
Yes, sir.
322
00:18:26,188 --> 00:18:29,983
I drove for...
the Georgia Highway Department.
323
00:18:30,442 --> 00:18:31,485
You enjoy that?
324
00:18:32,486 --> 00:18:34,238
I liked being on the road.
325
00:18:34,780 --> 00:18:36,156
Met all kinds of people.
326
00:18:37,658 --> 00:18:38,909
All kinds of treats.
327
00:18:42,996 --> 00:18:45,833
One day I had an accident on the job site.
328
00:18:46,583 --> 00:18:48,877
A steel girdle fell on my head.
329
00:18:49,253 --> 00:18:51,463
And doctor said my ence...
330
00:18:52,965 --> 00:18:56,343
My encephalic vitality cells were damaged.
331
00:18:56,802 --> 00:18:59,096
My brain is stimulated by...
332
00:19:01,223 --> 00:19:02,641
I can't pronounce it,
333
00:19:02,724 --> 00:19:04,643
but I can spell it.
334
00:19:06,562 --> 00:19:08,355
H, Y...
335
00:19:10,107 --> 00:19:11,107
P...
336
00:19:12,234 --> 00:19:13,234
O...
337
00:19:13,861 --> 00:19:14,861
T...
338
00:19:15,821 --> 00:19:16,821
H...
339
00:19:18,073 --> 00:19:19,073
Y...
340
00:19:20,909 --> 00:19:21,909
O...
341
00:19:23,078 --> 00:19:24,078
I...
342
00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:28,040
D...
343
00:19:28,667 --> 00:19:30,711
I, S...
344
00:19:31,962 --> 00:19:32,962
M.
345
00:19:34,506 --> 00:19:35,716
I understand.
346
00:19:37,134 --> 00:19:40,012
I imagine not everybody you meet
on the road is polite.
347
00:19:40,971 --> 00:19:41,847
Am I right?
348
00:19:41,930 --> 00:19:42,930
Amen, brother.
349
00:19:44,016 --> 00:19:45,016
Momma taught me.
350
00:19:45,058 --> 00:19:46,058
She used to say,
351
00:19:46,101 --> 00:19:48,896
"Junior, stick up for yourself."
352
00:19:49,605 --> 00:19:51,815
- I always did.
- Like how?
353
00:19:52,149 --> 00:19:54,151
Well, this one time...
354
00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:56,820
some shop-bitch,
355
00:19:58,655 --> 00:20:00,032
she called me moron.
356
00:20:00,866 --> 00:20:01,866
Moron?
357
00:20:02,993 --> 00:20:03,993
Once.
358
00:20:05,704 --> 00:20:06,705
I see.
359
00:20:08,999 --> 00:20:12,628
Junior, you mind
if we go back to those murders?
360
00:20:13,462 --> 00:20:14,838
The ones you didn't commit?
361
00:20:16,048 --> 00:20:20,552
We go back to whatever you want...
as long as you got more of these.
362
00:20:21,303 --> 00:20:23,680
You told the police
where to find the bodies.
363
00:20:23,764 --> 00:20:26,225
- Yes, sir.
- How'd you know where to go?
364
00:20:28,393 --> 00:20:29,770
I'm clearvoyant.
365
00:20:31,271 --> 00:20:33,023
Use my psychic magnet,
366
00:20:33,482 --> 00:20:35,067
telepathy.
367
00:20:36,526 --> 00:20:38,987
Everybody started asking me
about them murders.
368
00:20:39,404 --> 00:20:40,697
I turned up my sixth sense.
369
00:20:41,198 --> 00:20:44,785
Told them exactly how each one happened,
where the bodies was at.
370
00:20:44,868 --> 00:20:45,994
Weren't no confession.
371
00:20:46,411 --> 00:20:48,372
- I was helpin'.
- Of course you were.
372
00:20:48,455 --> 00:20:51,458
They never were gonna find
them bodies. Never have any peace.
373
00:20:51,541 --> 00:20:52,876
I helped them families.
374
00:20:53,877 --> 00:20:56,088
I alloyed their distressment.
375
00:20:56,171 --> 00:20:57,732
Can I ask about the other murders?
376
00:20:57,756 --> 00:21:00,676
Gas station attendants,
the store owner, and the clerk?
377
00:21:01,176 --> 00:21:02,552
Oh. Yeah.
378
00:21:04,513 --> 00:21:05,597
I did those.
379
00:21:06,265 --> 00:21:08,183
"She called me a moron."
380
00:21:08,267 --> 00:21:10,067
- Wow.
- She wasn't far off.
381
00:21:12,980 --> 00:21:15,899
I've never seen Mallomars used
for interrogation purposes.
382
00:21:15,983 --> 00:21:18,151
I read your Kemper and Brudos transcripts.
383
00:21:19,194 --> 00:21:20,612
Cigarettes and shoes.
384
00:21:20,696 --> 00:21:22,906
And there's that photo of Pierce
in his cell.
385
00:21:23,907 --> 00:21:24,741
Which?
386
00:21:24,825 --> 00:21:27,661
He's surrounded by junk food:
chocolate bars, mini-doughnuts.
387
00:21:27,744 --> 00:21:29,663
His cell's practically a 7-Eleven.
388
00:21:29,746 --> 00:21:31,516
He tipped his hand, he's got a sweet...
389
00:21:31,540 --> 00:21:32,934
Watch it, man!
There's children out here!
390
00:21:32,958 --> 00:21:35,144
- All right, you all hold hands.
- Slow down!
391
00:21:35,168 --> 00:21:37,328
Hold your hand.
Hold your brother's hand, baby.
392
00:21:40,590 --> 00:21:41,967
Is this an Atlanta thing?
393
00:21:44,136 --> 00:21:47,806
The city doesn't provide the same level
of services to all neighborhoods.
394
00:21:50,475 --> 00:21:52,811
The next great metropolis has got
some issues.
395
00:22:00,444 --> 00:22:02,988
- What time tomorrow?
- We should leave by 9:30.
396
00:22:03,447 --> 00:22:05,887
If you want breakfast before we go,
I'll be in the restaurant.
397
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:08,469
- Put it on Quantico.
- Thanks, I can't.
398
00:22:08,493 --> 00:22:10,093
The wife insists on feeding me mornings.
399
00:22:10,120 --> 00:22:11,121
See you at 9:30.
400
00:22:11,204 --> 00:22:12,204
All right.
401
00:22:35,103 --> 00:22:37,081
Welcome to the Omni. I'll have someone
come right out to help you.
402
00:22:37,105 --> 00:22:38,105
- Thank you.
- Tanya?
403
00:22:38,607 --> 00:22:40,609
- Can you assist this gentleman, please?
- Yes.
404
00:22:40,692 --> 00:22:42,452
Welcome to the Omni, sir.
You're checking in?
405
00:22:42,527 --> 00:22:44,237
Yes, please. Ford...
406
00:22:45,072 --> 00:22:45,906
Holden.
407
00:22:45,989 --> 00:22:47,741
All right. Ford, Holden.
408
00:22:48,283 --> 00:22:51,286
Oh, sorry, Ford is my last name.
409
00:22:52,329 --> 00:22:55,332
It's a bad joke in Australia. Like here.
410
00:22:55,582 --> 00:22:57,302
There it is.
It's a queen bed for one night?
411
00:22:57,334 --> 00:22:58,334
Yes.
412
00:22:59,586 --> 00:23:01,463
Oh, may I check your ID first?
413
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,465
Not that I don't believe you're not...
414
00:23:03,548 --> 00:23:04,548
Of course.
415
00:23:09,221 --> 00:23:11,264
Special Agent Ford. FBI?
416
00:23:15,268 --> 00:23:17,020
- May I?
- Oh, yes.
417
00:23:21,650 --> 00:23:22,651
Credit card.
418
00:23:22,943 --> 00:23:23,777
Right.
419
00:23:23,860 --> 00:23:24,986
Sorry.
420
00:23:25,070 --> 00:23:28,698
And the, uh, key card.
You know, we should, um...
421
00:23:29,241 --> 00:23:31,281
We've been having some troubles
with these machines.
422
00:23:31,326 --> 00:23:32,828
It's been up and down all day.
423
00:23:32,911 --> 00:23:34,639
Everything's broken
before it's fixed, right?
424
00:23:34,663 --> 00:23:36,581
- Always.
- I should probably go up with you.
425
00:23:36,665 --> 00:23:38,810
Just to check. This way,
you don't have to come all the way back.
426
00:23:38,834 --> 00:23:40,043
That's okay. I don't...
427
00:23:46,675 --> 00:23:48,260
Oh this way, Agent Ford.
428
00:23:57,811 --> 00:23:58,812
Long day?
429
00:23:58,895 --> 00:23:59,895
Very.
430
00:24:00,689 --> 00:24:02,315
You in town for a conference?
431
00:24:02,399 --> 00:24:06,445
- On a case actually. Two.
- Hmm. For one night?
432
00:24:06,528 --> 00:24:08,572
It's... pretty basic.
433
00:24:10,157 --> 00:24:14,077
Is it, like, some secret government thing?
Like, if you tell me, you gotta kill me?
434
00:24:14,161 --> 00:24:15,537
No, I'm not CIA.
435
00:24:18,540 --> 00:24:21,001
I'm an investigator.
I study multiple murderers.
436
00:24:32,137 --> 00:24:33,138
Here we are.
437
00:24:37,934 --> 00:24:39,519
You want to take a look around?
438
00:24:40,061 --> 00:24:41,354
See if it's what you...
439
00:24:42,856 --> 00:24:44,274
Because we have other rooms.
440
00:24:44,357 --> 00:24:46,359
Junior or executive suites.
441
00:24:48,820 --> 00:24:49,946
This seems fine.
442
00:24:50,739 --> 00:24:54,659
There are towels in the bathroom.
And there's an iron in the closet.
443
00:24:55,243 --> 00:24:57,138
- Can I get you some ice?
- I'm ordering room service.
444
00:24:57,162 --> 00:24:58,580
I'll just ask them to bring some.
445
00:24:58,663 --> 00:25:03,293
Well, I probably shouldn't say so,
but the room service here is...
446
00:25:04,711 --> 00:25:06,129
- It's, uh...
- Hit-or-miss?
447
00:25:06,463 --> 00:25:08,423
- Mostly miss.
- Thank you.
448
00:25:09,216 --> 00:25:10,216
I'll figure it out.
449
00:25:11,009 --> 00:25:12,009
Are you sure?
450
00:25:15,096 --> 00:25:17,992
Let us know if you need anything.
There's a direct line to the front desk.
451
00:25:18,016 --> 00:25:19,768
It's the little button on the...
452
00:25:20,101 --> 00:25:20,936
Got it.
453
00:25:21,019 --> 00:25:22,687
Well, you have a good night, Agent Ford.
454
00:25:22,771 --> 00:25:23,771
Good night.
455
00:25:27,150 --> 00:25:28,150
Thank you.
456
00:25:56,805 --> 00:25:58,598
I get off in about an hour.
457
00:25:59,683 --> 00:26:02,227
If you can wait to eat,
I'll show you the best meal in Atlanta.
458
00:26:04,729 --> 00:26:05,730
Okay.
459
00:26:31,214 --> 00:26:32,382
Agent Ford.
460
00:26:33,675 --> 00:26:34,675
Hey!
461
00:26:39,097 --> 00:26:40,140
You look great.
462
00:26:42,017 --> 00:26:43,393
Sorry, I'm in a bit of a hurry.
463
00:26:43,476 --> 00:26:45,729
We aren't supposed to fraternize
with guests.
464
00:26:45,812 --> 00:26:47,939
It's fine. Can I catch us a cab?
465
00:26:48,023 --> 00:26:49,608
Oh, no. Just a little further.
466
00:26:50,984 --> 00:26:51,985
Here we are.
467
00:26:59,909 --> 00:27:02,537
It's a mess in here.
I'm not usually like this.
468
00:27:02,621 --> 00:27:03,621
Don't worry.
469
00:27:03,913 --> 00:27:06,183
With all my running around,
I can't seem to find the time.
470
00:27:06,207 --> 00:27:07,042
Well, you know.
471
00:27:07,125 --> 00:27:10,128
My partner and I used to be on the road.
We basically lived out of our car.
472
00:27:10,211 --> 00:27:11,211
I've seen much worse.
473
00:27:12,797 --> 00:27:15,175
Oh, that doesn't...
You just have to hold it or...
474
00:27:15,258 --> 00:27:17,427
- It's fine. We aren't going very far.
- Okay.
475
00:27:19,095 --> 00:27:21,095
The AC doesn't work.
You wanna let the window down?
476
00:27:21,139 --> 00:27:22,140
Sure.
477
00:27:35,904 --> 00:27:37,947
- You a music fan?
- I am.
478
00:27:38,907 --> 00:27:41,159
Mostly, uh, new wave stuff. Recently.
479
00:27:43,495 --> 00:27:44,621
Other things too.
480
00:27:45,121 --> 00:27:48,083
- I like movies. I like to read.
- Mm-hmm.
481
00:27:48,583 --> 00:27:50,168
I wish I had time to read more.
482
00:27:50,752 --> 00:27:53,963
Seems like every day I go from work,
to home, and back to work again.
483
00:27:54,047 --> 00:27:54,923
You don't go out ever?
484
00:27:55,006 --> 00:27:57,258
I... don't believe you don't go out.
485
00:27:58,051 --> 00:27:59,051
Some.
486
00:27:59,344 --> 00:28:01,137
Rarely. Mostly, I work.
487
00:28:02,263 --> 00:28:03,431
I can relate to that.
488
00:28:03,973 --> 00:28:05,725
I used to go to church a lot.
489
00:28:06,434 --> 00:28:07,811
Not so much anymore.
490
00:28:08,269 --> 00:28:10,230
You give up on God?
491
00:28:11,314 --> 00:28:12,314
Not yet.
492
00:28:13,775 --> 00:28:15,193
I help out sometimes.
493
00:28:15,527 --> 00:28:17,445
Organizing community events,
494
00:28:17,529 --> 00:28:19,209
scholarship fundraisers
for high schoolers.
495
00:28:19,239 --> 00:28:20,407
Little stuff.
496
00:28:20,490 --> 00:28:21,408
So you do get out.
497
00:28:21,491 --> 00:28:23,284
If that's what you call getting out.
498
00:28:25,537 --> 00:28:26,788
I take classes.
499
00:28:26,871 --> 00:28:29,708
Well, took classes
at the community college,
500
00:28:29,791 --> 00:28:30,792
Atlanta Tech.
501
00:28:31,501 --> 00:28:34,838
Ten credits away from my Associate's.
Hospitality Management.
502
00:28:34,921 --> 00:28:35,922
Congrats.
503
00:28:36,631 --> 00:28:39,175
Almost. I'm saving up
before I go back and finish.
504
00:28:39,634 --> 00:28:42,762
Don't wanna take out loans,
be in a whole lot of debt, you know.
505
00:28:43,346 --> 00:28:46,516
It's why I drive this old thing.
It's cost effective.
506
00:28:47,183 --> 00:28:48,268
Sounds smart.
507
00:28:50,145 --> 00:28:52,897
How long have you been
studying multiple murderers?
508
00:28:53,356 --> 00:28:54,399
Only recently.
509
00:28:55,150 --> 00:28:56,860
It's a brand-new unit at Quantico.
510
00:28:57,944 --> 00:28:59,863
Well, it sounds important,
what you're doing.
511
00:29:02,365 --> 00:29:03,365
Thank you.
512
00:29:10,081 --> 00:29:12,959
- Here we are.
- Oh. Looks closed.
513
00:29:13,042 --> 00:29:14,042
Let's go.
514
00:29:16,004 --> 00:29:17,005
Um...
515
00:29:21,843 --> 00:29:24,095
Ernie.
516
00:29:24,471 --> 00:29:26,014
This is Agent Ford.
517
00:29:26,890 --> 00:29:28,683
- Holden.
- This is my cousin.
518
00:29:29,100 --> 00:29:31,186
- You look kind of young for FBI.
- Ernie.
519
00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:33,480
- Stop it. Don't listen to him.
- It happens.
520
00:29:33,563 --> 00:29:35,203
They're sitting
in the back there.
521
00:29:35,273 --> 00:29:38,067
Go on ahead. I'll make you a plate
and bring it over to you.
522
00:29:40,445 --> 00:29:41,445
"They"?
523
00:29:50,705 --> 00:29:52,916
Thank you all so much for waiting.
524
00:29:53,458 --> 00:29:54,542
Sorry we're late.
525
00:29:54,626 --> 00:29:56,419
Is that the FBI
we've been waiting to meet?
526
00:29:56,503 --> 00:29:58,922
Yes, ma'am.
This is Special Agent Holden Ford.
527
00:30:00,089 --> 00:30:02,175
- Special Agent Ford...
- Holden, please.
528
00:30:02,258 --> 00:30:04,219
This is Mrs. Willie Mae Mathis,
529
00:30:04,302 --> 00:30:07,305
Miss Venus Taylor, and Mrs. Camille Bell.
530
00:30:07,388 --> 00:30:08,388
Agent Ford...
531
00:30:08,431 --> 00:30:09,431
Holden.
532
00:30:10,809 --> 00:30:12,519
He'll only be in town for one night,
533
00:30:12,602 --> 00:30:15,814
so I'm sure you all would like
to talk to him.
534
00:30:15,897 --> 00:30:18,441
Why don't you sit down and enjoy the plate
Cousin Ernest set,
535
00:30:18,525 --> 00:30:19,609
before it get cold?
536
00:30:20,193 --> 00:30:22,153
Thank you. This looks delicious.
537
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:26,491
So you heard...
538
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:28,701
what's been happening here in Atlanta?
539
00:30:29,369 --> 00:30:30,286
No.
540
00:30:30,370 --> 00:30:31,621
Not for lack of trying.
541
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,541
Our calls aren't answered,
our questions ignored.
542
00:30:39,212 --> 00:30:42,052
- Well, please tell me.
- What is it you do, Special Agent Ford
543
00:30:42,090 --> 00:30:43,216
of the FBI?
544
00:30:43,299 --> 00:30:45,218
Well, Holden's
with a very important office,
545
00:30:45,301 --> 00:30:48,096
and he handles cases just like y'all's.
546
00:30:50,473 --> 00:30:51,850
Tell 'em what you told me.
547
00:30:53,977 --> 00:30:56,104
I'm with the Behavioral Science Unit,
548
00:30:57,730 --> 00:31:00,316
a select division of the bureau.
549
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,110
I study serial killers.
550
00:31:03,611 --> 00:31:06,197
That is,
killers who murder multiple victims.
551
00:31:06,281 --> 00:31:07,991
For instance, people like Son of Sam.
552
00:31:08,074 --> 00:31:09,200
You caught Son of Sam?
553
00:31:09,284 --> 00:31:11,452
- No.
- But someone in your unit did?
554
00:31:11,536 --> 00:31:16,124
No, ma'am. I said we study Son of Sam
to catch others like him.
555
00:31:16,207 --> 00:31:18,793
- You've heard of Gene Devier?
- I have.
556
00:31:19,460 --> 00:31:20,712
Well, Holden caught him.
557
00:31:21,546 --> 00:31:23,172
How old are you, Agent Ford?
558
00:31:24,424 --> 00:31:25,508
I'm almost 30.
559
00:31:28,469 --> 00:31:29,679
He won't do us any good.
560
00:31:30,638 --> 00:31:34,100
No one will listen to him.
Thank you for coming here, Agent Ford.
561
00:31:34,183 --> 00:31:36,728
- No one will listen to me?
- Please? Mrs. Bell...
562
00:31:36,811 --> 00:31:38,438
This is my daughter.
563
00:31:39,814 --> 00:31:40,814
Angel.
564
00:31:42,483 --> 00:31:44,319
She slept over at a friend's house.
565
00:31:44,903 --> 00:31:46,112
They were gonna watch TV.
566
00:31:46,195 --> 00:31:48,531
She loves The Jeffersons.
567
00:31:50,783 --> 00:31:51,783
Loved.
568
00:31:52,535 --> 00:31:53,870
Angel didn't come home.
569
00:31:54,913 --> 00:31:58,166
I called the police.
They said give it a couple days.
570
00:32:00,710 --> 00:32:02,128
Give it a couple of days?
571
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,053
Near the woods over on Campbellton Road.
572
00:32:11,971 --> 00:32:13,291
That's where they found the body.
573
00:32:16,184 --> 00:32:18,061
I'm so sorry for your loss, Miss Taylor.
574
00:32:18,144 --> 00:32:19,144
My son...
575
00:32:19,771 --> 00:32:22,106
My Jeffrey is 11.
576
00:32:25,068 --> 00:32:26,277
Jeffrey...
577
00:32:27,862 --> 00:32:28,905
I'm sorry.
578
00:32:36,245 --> 00:32:37,413
That woman...
579
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:38,873
is a warrior.
580
00:32:41,459 --> 00:32:42,585
Works three jobs,
581
00:32:43,336 --> 00:32:45,046
takes care of six kids.
582
00:32:45,380 --> 00:32:47,048
She has seen too much pain.
583
00:32:48,383 --> 00:32:51,386
Her husband was a watchman.
Shot dead during a robbery while on duty.
584
00:32:51,469 --> 00:32:52,971
What can I do, Mrs. Bell?
585
00:32:55,306 --> 00:32:58,559
My son Yusuf was at Dunbar Elementary.
586
00:32:59,477 --> 00:33:02,313
He was one of 20 students enrolled
in gifted classes there.
587
00:33:02,397 --> 00:33:03,856
He was a good boy.
588
00:33:05,066 --> 00:33:06,985
At age four, Yusuf could quote you
589
00:33:07,068 --> 00:33:09,404
Dr. King's "I Have A Dream" speech
from memory.
590
00:33:10,279 --> 00:33:12,073
Very clever, that child.
591
00:33:14,659 --> 00:33:17,662
Miss Eula, our neighbor, she asked
if he'd run down to Reese's Grocery
592
00:33:17,745 --> 00:33:19,163
to pick her up some snuff.
593
00:33:21,082 --> 00:33:24,210
Yusuf, like Angel, never came back.
594
00:33:26,379 --> 00:33:29,590
At the funeral,
a whole lot of people showed up.
595
00:33:29,674 --> 00:33:30,717
Even the mayor.
596
00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:34,512
But nobody asked
how the body of a nine-year-old boy
597
00:33:34,595 --> 00:33:36,472
gets stuffed in a maintenance trap,
598
00:33:37,348 --> 00:33:39,767
a hole in the concrete
of an abandoned school,
599
00:33:39,851 --> 00:33:41,019
the way Yusuf's had.
600
00:33:41,811 --> 00:33:45,064
There are no answers
to questions you can't even conceive.
601
00:33:45,982 --> 00:33:49,068
We don't come here on Wednesdays
for the food, Agent Ford.
602
00:33:49,610 --> 00:33:52,864
We waited, we prayed, but we are done.
603
00:33:52,947 --> 00:33:55,783
Our children are dying.
604
00:33:57,577 --> 00:34:00,496
And someone must do something about it.
605
00:34:01,539 --> 00:34:02,539
I'd like to help.
606
00:34:10,715 --> 00:34:12,633
Here's everything we've collected so far.
607
00:34:12,717 --> 00:34:15,762
Newspaper clippings,
photos where the bodies were found,
608
00:34:15,845 --> 00:34:17,346
eyewitness reports from neighbors
609
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:19,310
the authorities
didn't even bother to interview.
610
00:34:21,225 --> 00:34:22,643
Do the police have these?
611
00:34:24,103 --> 00:34:25,914
Not everything
in there has been dittoed.
612
00:34:25,938 --> 00:34:27,249
- Be precious with it.
- I promise.
613
00:34:27,273 --> 00:34:28,649
And don't make promises.
614
00:34:34,989 --> 00:34:37,992
We parents teach our kids
ways to go about in this world.
615
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,829
How to take care of yourself,
take care of each other.
616
00:34:44,207 --> 00:34:47,376
Our promise is
to do our best to help keep them alive.
617
00:34:49,128 --> 00:34:51,631
When they found Angel,
she had someone else's underwear
618
00:34:51,714 --> 00:34:53,257
stuffed down her throat.
619
00:34:54,050 --> 00:34:56,719
My son Yusuf,
his feet had been carefully washed
620
00:34:56,803 --> 00:34:57,970
by whoever strangled him.
621
00:34:59,013 --> 00:35:00,890
Willie Mae's child is still missing.
622
00:35:01,265 --> 00:35:03,309
Who knows where he is
or what's been done to him.
623
00:35:06,020 --> 00:35:07,855
Save your promises, Agent Ford.
624
00:35:16,447 --> 00:35:17,447
Thank you.
625
00:35:17,865 --> 00:35:18,865
Hmm?
626
00:35:20,660 --> 00:35:23,663
For listening. Those women needed somebody
to hear them out.
627
00:35:23,746 --> 00:35:25,331
It's the very least I could do.
628
00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:29,794
No one's taken them seriously until now.
629
00:35:35,508 --> 00:35:37,148
I should've told you where we were going.
630
00:35:37,176 --> 00:35:39,846
I... thought maybe
you wouldn't want to come with me.
631
00:35:39,929 --> 00:35:42,056
No. No, nothing to be sorry about.
632
00:35:44,642 --> 00:35:46,227
I hear it's the best meal in Atlanta.
633
00:35:54,569 --> 00:35:57,363
- Hey.
- I thought you guys were in Atlanta.
634
00:35:57,446 --> 00:35:58,446
Holden's there.
635
00:35:58,489 --> 00:36:03,494
I was going, but, um... got a bug.
He said he could handle it.
636
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:05,880
Do you think he should be
in the field alone?
637
00:36:05,913 --> 00:36:07,540
I do. This'll be good.
638
00:36:07,623 --> 00:36:08,875
Rip off the Band-Aid.
639
00:36:08,958 --> 00:36:12,170
Well, Bill, you of all people know that
these interviews can be unpredictable.
640
00:36:12,253 --> 00:36:14,714
You really think testing
Holden's emotional equilibrium
641
00:36:14,797 --> 00:36:17,425
- right now is necessary?
- I spoke to him last night.
642
00:36:17,508 --> 00:36:18,508
He seemed fine.
643
00:36:18,551 --> 00:36:21,179
He completed yesterday's interview
without incident.
644
00:36:21,262 --> 00:36:22,262
He and Jim.
645
00:36:22,722 --> 00:36:23,722
Barney.
646
00:36:24,056 --> 00:36:25,933
And today's guy shouldn't be a challenge.
647
00:36:27,059 --> 00:36:28,102
Okay.
648
00:36:41,282 --> 00:36:43,367
- Hi. I'm just picking him up.
- Of course.
649
00:36:47,246 --> 00:36:48,915
- Not hungry?
- Morning.
650
00:36:50,208 --> 00:36:51,568
I thought spending that many hours
651
00:36:51,626 --> 00:36:53,544
with a violent degenerate
might keep me awake.
652
00:36:53,628 --> 00:36:55,628
- I slept like...
- Have you heard of Camille Bell?
653
00:36:55,796 --> 00:36:56,796
Terrible.
654
00:36:56,881 --> 00:36:58,007
You know the case?
655
00:36:58,591 --> 00:36:59,717
Everybody does.
656
00:37:00,176 --> 00:37:03,429
Her story's been in the paper and on TV.
The mayor attended her son's funeral.
657
00:37:03,512 --> 00:37:05,514
- I had dinner with her last night.
- You did what?
658
00:37:05,598 --> 00:37:08,517
With her, and Venus Taylor,
and Willie Mae Mathis.
659
00:37:08,935 --> 00:37:11,055
You're in town overnight,
and they manage to find you.
660
00:37:12,188 --> 00:37:15,358
Every time the phone rings,
Atlanta PD is afraid to pick up.
661
00:37:15,441 --> 00:37:17,777
Those women want answers,
and no one has any.
662
00:37:19,403 --> 00:37:22,281
They asked me to review these files
on their individual cases.
663
00:37:22,782 --> 00:37:24,367
- You agreed?
- Well, of course.
664
00:37:24,450 --> 00:37:26,118
There's a lot here to look into.
665
00:37:26,452 --> 00:37:28,579
Slow down a minute
before you step in anything
666
00:37:28,663 --> 00:37:31,582
and make the front page
of the Journal-Constitution.
667
00:37:32,375 --> 00:37:34,460
- Again.
- Fair enough.
668
00:37:34,543 --> 00:37:36,796
I'll set up a meeting,
get us a broader perspective.
669
00:37:39,632 --> 00:37:42,260
Things operate differently down here
than they do up in Virginia.
670
00:37:42,343 --> 00:37:44,971
- I'm beginning to see that.
- We should jet.
671
00:37:50,268 --> 00:37:52,728
Mr. Hance,
we'd like to discuss your mental state
672
00:37:52,812 --> 00:37:54,272
during and after the crimes.
673
00:37:54,605 --> 00:37:58,150
Let's start with the letters you sent
to the Columbus Police Chief.
674
00:38:00,319 --> 00:38:03,614
After you killed Gail Jackson,
in fact, five weeks after,
675
00:38:04,031 --> 00:38:07,034
you began writing letters
claiming to be a vigilante group
676
00:38:07,118 --> 00:38:09,161
called the "Forces of Evil."
677
00:38:10,454 --> 00:38:11,872
Why would you contact the police?
678
00:38:12,373 --> 00:38:13,624
'Cause they were white.
679
00:38:13,708 --> 00:38:14,875
The police?
680
00:38:15,084 --> 00:38:16,210
The Forces of Evil.
681
00:38:16,294 --> 00:38:18,129
But you made them up.
682
00:38:18,504 --> 00:38:19,964
I made 'em up to be white.
683
00:38:21,632 --> 00:38:24,593
In this first letter,
you said the abduction of Gail Jackson
684
00:38:24,677 --> 00:38:28,556
was revenge for the deaths
of seven elderly white women in Columbus
685
00:38:29,223 --> 00:38:32,351
at the hands of the Stocking Strangler.
686
00:38:32,768 --> 00:38:37,064
And that you would kill Gail
if the Strangler wasn't caught.
687
00:38:37,940 --> 00:38:41,110
That is a very... complicated story.
688
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:43,069
Thank you.
689
00:38:45,031 --> 00:38:47,616
How did you think it would help you,
contacting the police?
690
00:38:48,784 --> 00:38:52,246
Because everybody was scared
of the Stocking Strangler.
691
00:38:53,039 --> 00:38:55,291
And they was looking
for a black man for that.
692
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,211
But... you didn't have anything to do
with those murders.
693
00:38:59,295 --> 00:39:00,295
No, sir.
694
00:39:01,339 --> 00:39:03,591
So now they be looking
for those white men.
695
00:39:03,674 --> 00:39:05,718
The Forces of Evil.
696
00:39:05,801 --> 00:39:07,219
For kidnapping Gail Jackson.
697
00:39:07,553 --> 00:39:08,553
I see.
698
00:39:09,055 --> 00:39:10,931
But when you first sent this letter,
699
00:39:11,265 --> 00:39:13,809
the police didn't know
Gail Jackson was missing.
700
00:39:13,893 --> 00:39:18,898
In fact, they didn't even know
Gail Jackson existed.
701
00:39:19,231 --> 00:39:20,608
That's why I had to tell them.
702
00:39:22,526 --> 00:39:26,489
You also told them where to find
the body once she was killed.
703
00:39:27,073 --> 00:39:31,035
They can't be after those white men
if they don't have no body for no killing.
704
00:39:31,994 --> 00:39:33,621
So, I told them where to find her.
705
00:39:33,704 --> 00:39:36,332
But initially, you were pretending
she was just kidnapped,
706
00:39:36,415 --> 00:39:37,415
not dead.
707
00:39:37,666 --> 00:39:39,426
'Cause that's how I was gonna get
the ransom.
708
00:39:40,836 --> 00:39:41,836
All right.
709
00:39:42,588 --> 00:39:43,588
The second letter.
710
00:39:44,632 --> 00:39:47,218
So even though you know
Gail Jackson's dead,
711
00:39:47,301 --> 00:39:49,553
a woman the police aren't looking for,
712
00:39:49,637 --> 00:39:52,681
you demand $10,000 for her return.
713
00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:58,062
Because they still think she kidnapped.
So they gotta give me the money.
714
00:39:58,145 --> 00:40:00,815
You'd already told them
where to find the body.
715
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,484
They didn't think there was a body yet.
716
00:40:03,567 --> 00:40:04,985
They think she still alive.
717
00:40:06,821 --> 00:40:09,240
And what prompted you,
several days after the letters,
718
00:40:09,323 --> 00:40:10,825
to make a phone call to the police
719
00:40:10,908 --> 00:40:14,203
telling them exactly
where to find her remains?
720
00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:16,789
'Cause they weren't finding her.
721
00:40:19,208 --> 00:40:21,043
How am I gonna throw 'em off my trail
722
00:40:21,127 --> 00:40:23,796
if they ain't goin' after those white men
for her murder?
723
00:40:24,922 --> 00:40:26,215
The Forces of Evil.
724
00:40:27,341 --> 00:40:28,384
I see.
725
00:40:28,843 --> 00:40:30,219
It all comes back around.
726
00:40:30,594 --> 00:40:31,804
Like a doughnut.
727
00:40:33,013 --> 00:40:34,723
Just like a doughnut.
728
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:37,476
And then when you killed Irene Thirkield?
729
00:40:38,144 --> 00:40:39,728
Had to write another letter.
730
00:40:42,022 --> 00:40:45,943
Now, these letters are all written
on Army stationery from your base.
731
00:40:47,278 --> 00:40:48,529
Did you do that deliberately?
732
00:40:48,904 --> 00:40:52,700
Yes... uh, because it was
the easiest thing I could find.
733
00:40:54,452 --> 00:40:57,496
Were you at all worried
the police might trace this stationery
734
00:40:57,580 --> 00:40:58,580
back to you?
735
00:40:59,373 --> 00:41:02,668
No, because I told them
not to worry about it.
736
00:41:04,462 --> 00:41:05,546
Throw 'em off my trail.
737
00:41:05,629 --> 00:41:07,590
I see that. At the bottom.
738
00:41:08,757 --> 00:41:11,427
"Don't put any stock
in this stationery from the base.
739
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:12,990
Anybody could get their hands on it."
740
00:41:14,722 --> 00:41:15,848
Thank you, Mr. Hance.
741
00:41:16,223 --> 00:41:18,601
You certainly helped me clarify.
742
00:41:18,684 --> 00:41:21,395
I wrote two more letters.
And I made another phone call.
743
00:41:21,479 --> 00:41:22,479
You certainly did.
744
00:41:22,980 --> 00:41:24,482
Wanna talk about them letters?
745
00:41:25,399 --> 00:41:27,199
Well,
I think we've got what we need.
746
00:41:27,234 --> 00:41:30,196
Mr. Hance, you met Karen Hickman,
Gail Jackson,
747
00:41:30,279 --> 00:41:33,199
and Irene Thirkield at local bars?
748
00:41:33,282 --> 00:41:34,282
Yes, sir.
749
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:36,285
They always at the bars.
750
00:41:36,368 --> 00:41:38,162
So you'd seen these women before.
751
00:41:38,245 --> 00:41:41,790
We all going to the same bars.
Can't help but see the same folks.
752
00:41:41,874 --> 00:41:44,594
When you went to the bars,
were you looking for female companionship?
753
00:41:45,044 --> 00:41:46,044
No, sir.
754
00:41:47,087 --> 00:41:48,547
I wasn't looking for nothin'.
755
00:41:48,631 --> 00:41:50,049
Except have a drink's all.
756
00:41:50,132 --> 00:41:53,093
Did you approach
or talk to any of these women?
757
00:41:54,803 --> 00:41:56,013
They come over to me.
758
00:41:56,305 --> 00:41:59,183
A woman comes over to you,
she starts talking.
759
00:41:59,266 --> 00:42:00,392
Maybe Gail.
760
00:42:00,476 --> 00:42:01,476
Yes, sir.
761
00:42:01,852 --> 00:42:03,103
She all friendly.
762
00:42:04,563 --> 00:42:06,106
Says we should go somewhere.
763
00:42:07,358 --> 00:42:08,817
And did I have $20.
764
00:42:08,901 --> 00:42:12,071
- And what'd you say?
- I looked into my wallet.
765
00:42:13,864 --> 00:42:15,491
Then I said I did have $20.
766
00:42:16,992 --> 00:42:19,078
What were you thinking about
when you left the bar?
767
00:42:19,828 --> 00:42:21,455
Anything in particular?
768
00:42:23,916 --> 00:42:25,918
I didn't never think about nothing.
769
00:42:26,001 --> 00:42:28,337
Once you had her in your car,
what'd you do?
770
00:42:28,796 --> 00:42:29,797
Drove.
771
00:42:30,756 --> 00:42:32,007
Just drove?
772
00:42:33,133 --> 00:42:34,260
Then I stop.
773
00:42:36,220 --> 00:42:38,138
- And pull her out of the car.
- And...
774
00:42:39,223 --> 00:42:41,433
was she awake at this point?
775
00:42:41,517 --> 00:42:43,519
Sometimes they making a lot of noise.
776
00:42:44,061 --> 00:42:45,104
So I hit 'em.
777
00:42:45,563 --> 00:42:46,438
Make 'em stop.
778
00:42:46,522 --> 00:42:47,940
But you didn't just hit her.
779
00:42:53,237 --> 00:42:55,489
You sure can't nobody use this?
780
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:56,991
Absolutely.
781
00:42:57,366 --> 00:42:59,660
After she stopped making noise...
782
00:43:01,745 --> 00:43:05,040
I get me the tire iron...
from back of the car.
783
00:43:07,626 --> 00:43:08,669
I beat her...
784
00:43:09,712 --> 00:43:11,589
so's you can't recognize her.
785
00:43:11,672 --> 00:43:13,048
And you did the same to Irene?
786
00:43:13,132 --> 00:43:15,759
Beat her too. Her head come off.
787
00:43:16,260 --> 00:43:17,511
So's you can't tell who it is.
788
00:43:17,970 --> 00:43:20,931
Were you aware
both Gail and Irene were prostitutes?
789
00:43:21,015 --> 00:43:23,601
I don't know. They just always around.
790
00:43:24,310 --> 00:43:25,310
Talkin' to us.
791
00:43:25,352 --> 00:43:27,938
The first woman, Karen Hickman,
792
00:43:29,148 --> 00:43:30,816
she was different from them, right?
793
00:43:32,443 --> 00:43:34,528
She was a soldier, a private.
794
00:43:35,529 --> 00:43:36,864
She just around.
795
00:43:36,947 --> 00:43:39,116
Around? Like she "got around"?
796
00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:41,035
No, just... local.
797
00:43:41,619 --> 00:43:44,038
You chose not to use a tire iron with her.
798
00:43:44,496 --> 00:43:45,497
You used your car.
799
00:43:47,583 --> 00:43:50,794
- How many times did you run her over?
- Don't know.
800
00:43:52,838 --> 00:43:53,838
Lost count.
801
00:43:54,256 --> 00:43:57,426
Was she different from Gail
and Irene in any other way?
802
00:43:59,511 --> 00:44:02,097
Karen was white.
The other women were black.
803
00:44:02,723 --> 00:44:03,723
Suppose so.
804
00:44:04,433 --> 00:44:05,476
Didn't ever notice.
805
00:44:06,143 --> 00:44:08,354
Is it possible
that the fact that she was white
806
00:44:08,437 --> 00:44:10,898
was... a reason you picked her?
807
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:14,818
Never seen her as that.
808
00:44:16,278 --> 00:44:18,530
She just a grunt like the rest of us.
809
00:44:31,794 --> 00:44:32,795
He's retired?
810
00:44:33,420 --> 00:44:34,420
Semi.
811
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:37,675
GBI brings him back when they want
to keep something out the mainstream.
812
00:44:37,758 --> 00:44:41,220
And Garland hears everything,
but it's best to catch him before sundown.
813
00:44:49,019 --> 00:44:52,064
I didn't know the FBI was interested
in all this.
814
00:44:52,147 --> 00:44:54,692
We're not, officially.
815
00:44:56,735 --> 00:45:00,030
Like I'm not here
watching a redneck bar, officially.
816
00:45:00,739 --> 00:45:02,866
Agent Ford met last night
with Camille Bell.
817
00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:05,661
And Venus Taylor and Willie Mae Mathis.
818
00:45:06,912 --> 00:45:08,080
It's where I got this.
819
00:45:10,958 --> 00:45:13,293
That Camille Bell is formidable.
820
00:45:13,377 --> 00:45:16,088
She... They've asked me
to review their cases.
821
00:45:17,673 --> 00:45:19,800
Is anyone examining
the obvious similarities here?
822
00:45:20,592 --> 00:45:23,011
Six children
of the same socioeconomic background,
823
00:45:23,095 --> 00:45:24,471
abducted in broad daylight.
824
00:45:24,888 --> 00:45:26,408
It's clearly a homogenous victim pool.
825
00:45:26,890 --> 00:45:29,268
That's how the mothers are hoping
you'll look at it.
826
00:45:29,893 --> 00:45:33,772
You know, by linking these, uh, together,
they've managed, to their credit,
827
00:45:33,856 --> 00:45:35,941
to keep them from becoming cold cases.
828
00:45:36,024 --> 00:45:39,278
But, I mean, it's a stretch
to connect these through evidence.
829
00:45:39,361 --> 00:45:41,947
You don't think it's unusual
to have this many juvenile murders
830
00:45:42,030 --> 00:45:43,030
so close together?
831
00:45:43,699 --> 00:45:47,077
We average eight to ten
child murders every year.
832
00:45:47,161 --> 00:45:49,496
Atlanta has the fourth highest murder rate
in this country,
833
00:45:49,580 --> 00:45:53,083
so these kids, sadly...
834
00:45:53,751 --> 00:45:55,419
they don't represent a blip.
835
00:45:55,502 --> 00:45:57,182
Even if the numbers
aren't out of the norm,
836
00:45:57,212 --> 00:45:59,506
the fact that most are male,
of slight build...
837
00:45:59,965 --> 00:46:01,258
You might have a predator here.
838
00:46:01,341 --> 00:46:04,970
Look, you got a shooting
and a strangulation at one location.
839
00:46:05,888 --> 00:46:08,682
On good authority,
this one's drug-related.
840
00:46:09,308 --> 00:46:12,394
Angel Lenair: the only sexual assault.
841
00:46:12,478 --> 00:46:13,771
Melton Harvey:
842
00:46:13,854 --> 00:46:16,440
we couldn't even determine cause of death
from his remains.
843
00:46:16,523 --> 00:46:18,233
And Yusef Bell...
844
00:46:18,358 --> 00:46:20,986
...strangulation. Uh...
845
00:46:21,236 --> 00:46:24,239
Sweet kid too. I mean, it just...
it breaks your heart, but...
846
00:46:24,823 --> 00:46:27,493
To be honest,
I don't see a link in these cases.
847
00:46:27,576 --> 00:46:30,287
We're finding MO isn't always consistent
with serial killers,
848
00:46:30,370 --> 00:46:32,456
and we have to look at victim type
as a marker.
849
00:46:32,539 --> 00:46:35,626
This city is full of potential victims
850
00:46:35,709 --> 00:46:37,044
that fit your pool.
851
00:46:37,127 --> 00:46:38,587
I mean, easy pickings.
852
00:46:38,670 --> 00:46:43,091
Look, if you're lookin' for a monster,
it's poverty.
853
00:46:43,592 --> 00:46:45,469
These kids are growing up vulnerable,
854
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,181
scrounging for pennies
in high-risk situations,
855
00:46:49,264 --> 00:46:52,518
surrounded by violence,
sometimes in their own homes.
856
00:46:53,811 --> 00:46:57,231
Family Services already had files
on some of these.
857
00:46:57,314 --> 00:47:01,401
And they reopened
every single one of them to investigate.
858
00:47:02,945 --> 00:47:05,864
Maybe the mothers just want to know
their children aren't being ignored.
859
00:47:07,115 --> 00:47:09,576
They've had almost no communication
from police.
860
00:47:10,077 --> 00:47:13,038
Every single one of those cases
is still active.
861
00:47:14,206 --> 00:47:18,544
And there's a historic distrust
between the black community
862
00:47:18,627 --> 00:47:19,545
and the police,
863
00:47:19,628 --> 00:47:20,921
and rightly so.
864
00:47:21,922 --> 00:47:24,216
The politics are complicated.
865
00:47:24,299 --> 00:47:25,217
Barn, um...
866
00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:28,345
Some people are feeling left behind
in the "New South."
867
00:47:29,137 --> 00:47:32,516
We're the first large Southern city
to elect a black mayor.
868
00:47:32,599 --> 00:47:33,433
That's progress.
869
00:47:33,517 --> 00:47:36,311
And he's trying to build
the world's largest airport
870
00:47:36,395 --> 00:47:38,063
to attract business dollars,
871
00:47:38,647 --> 00:47:43,068
but white flight's taking the tax base
he needs to do it to the suburbs.
872
00:47:43,485 --> 00:47:45,821
How does that translate
to neglecting children's homicides?
873
00:47:48,115 --> 00:47:50,576
They're trying to keep the noise down.
874
00:47:51,451 --> 00:47:54,371
High murder rate,
even the whisper of a predator:
875
00:47:55,706 --> 00:47:58,041
that shit scares dollars away.
876
00:47:58,125 --> 00:48:00,127
Uh, we've got movement,
gentlemen.
877
00:48:00,210 --> 00:48:02,546
A male, about six feet,
black baseball cap.
878
00:48:02,629 --> 00:48:03,714
Copy that.
879
00:48:03,797 --> 00:48:06,592
- He's walking into the bar.
- Well, best get back at it.
880
00:48:06,675 --> 00:48:09,803
These yahoos tend to get
a little active around sundown.
881
00:48:09,887 --> 00:48:10,888
You still watching them?
882
00:48:10,971 --> 00:48:12,723
I'm always watching them.
883
00:48:13,432 --> 00:48:14,266
Mob?
884
00:48:14,349 --> 00:48:16,685
Buncha good ole boys come in,
pay their dues,
885
00:48:17,102 --> 00:48:18,437
darn their sheets.
886
00:48:18,645 --> 00:48:20,355
Thank you, Garland. Appreciate it.
887
00:48:22,357 --> 00:48:24,776
Agent Ford, you might have something here.
888
00:48:25,485 --> 00:48:27,070
I... I can't tell at this stage.
889
00:48:27,154 --> 00:48:29,656
But... the truth is,
890
00:48:29,740 --> 00:48:31,950
and we all hate to admit this,
891
00:48:32,034 --> 00:48:34,578
but to find connections,
892
00:48:35,287 --> 00:48:36,371
unfortunately...
893
00:48:36,955 --> 00:48:39,416
...we have to wait for more bodies.
894
00:48:46,006 --> 00:48:47,006
Hey.
895
00:48:48,050 --> 00:48:49,134
Agent Ford.
896
00:48:49,927 --> 00:48:52,304
I got your message.
You had a meeting this afternoon?
897
00:48:52,387 --> 00:48:54,640
- Yes.
- Well, I waived the late checkout fee.
898
00:48:55,057 --> 00:48:56,934
- How'd it go?
- It went well.
899
00:48:57,017 --> 00:48:59,144
I met with the senior GBI agent.
900
00:48:59,227 --> 00:49:02,356
He's spoken with the lead investigators
on the Bell and Lenear cases.
901
00:49:02,439 --> 00:49:03,439
Lenair.
902
00:49:04,274 --> 00:49:05,817
We've agreed to stay in touch.
903
00:49:06,068 --> 00:49:09,696
And he's assured me
that they're already following up
904
00:49:09,780 --> 00:49:11,615
with Child and Family Services.
905
00:49:13,617 --> 00:49:14,701
Give me that.
906
00:49:15,369 --> 00:49:19,873
Tanya, I'm not saying that I agree
100 percent with how APD is handling this.
907
00:49:19,957 --> 00:49:21,333
Though, from what I can see,
908
00:49:21,416 --> 00:49:24,670
- they are working diligently to solve...
- Following up with DCFS?
909
00:49:25,462 --> 00:49:27,881
It's always the same. Neglect, abuse.
910
00:49:27,965 --> 00:49:29,257
The family's to blame.
911
00:49:29,758 --> 00:49:32,010
Look, on average,
there are ten child murders
912
00:49:32,094 --> 00:49:33,136
in Atlanta per year.
913
00:49:33,845 --> 00:49:35,973
Now, that's awful.
But from where it stands,
914
00:49:36,056 --> 00:49:38,337
these numbers alone
don't represent a statistical anomaly.
915
00:49:38,392 --> 00:49:41,979
Those numbers have names, Agent Ford.
916
00:49:46,358 --> 00:49:48,735
You're all checked out.
If there's nothing else.
917
00:50:01,540 --> 00:50:04,751
Karen was white.
The other women were black.
918
00:50:04,835 --> 00:50:05,835
Suppose so.
919
00:50:06,211 --> 00:50:07,462
Didn't ever notice.
920
00:50:08,255 --> 00:50:10,274
Is it possible
that the fact that she was white
921
00:50:10,298 --> 00:50:12,134
was a reason you picked her?
922
00:50:14,011 --> 00:50:15,679
Never seen her as that.
923
00:50:15,762 --> 00:50:17,865
She just a grunt like the rest...
924
00:50:17,889 --> 00:50:18,889
Waste of time.
925
00:50:18,932 --> 00:50:22,060
Well, it's fairly obvious that you
lost interest during both interviews.
926
00:50:22,144 --> 00:50:24,414
If Jim Barney wasn't there,
it would've been a complete waste of time.
927
00:50:24,438 --> 00:50:25,915
From now on,
we have to interview subjects
928
00:50:25,939 --> 00:50:27,983
who can, at the very least,
tie their own footwear.
929
00:50:28,066 --> 00:50:30,420
There's no point in preparing questions
if you don't bother to ask them.
930
00:50:30,444 --> 00:50:34,031
Pierce might speak seven languages,
but English was barely one of them.
931
00:50:34,322 --> 00:50:35,322
What did we learn?
932
00:50:35,615 --> 00:50:38,035
If either of them had one thought
about what they were doing,
933
00:50:38,118 --> 00:50:39,137
before or during the murders,
934
00:50:39,161 --> 00:50:40,805
they didn't have
the wherewithal to articulate it.
935
00:50:40,829 --> 00:50:42,330
I agree they hardly planned ahead.
936
00:50:42,414 --> 00:50:45,333
But Pierce and Hance both exhibit
elements of self-aware behavior
937
00:50:45,417 --> 00:50:47,645
- following the murders.
- How does that help us?
938
00:50:47,669 --> 00:50:50,255
We want to categorize their behavior
before or during.
939
00:50:50,338 --> 00:50:52,883
We also need to look
at post-crime behaviors.
940
00:50:53,300 --> 00:50:55,340
You know,
elaborate, albeit unsuccessful, cover-ups.
941
00:50:55,886 --> 00:50:59,056
Diversion of law enforcement
with absurdly complex stories.
942
00:50:59,514 --> 00:51:02,017
Grandiose
self-characterizations of intelligence.
943
00:51:02,100 --> 00:51:04,311
You're saying we've been too rigid
in our thinking?
944
00:51:04,394 --> 00:51:06,396
- Maybe.
- Change the classifications,
945
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:07,606
or do we need new ones?
946
00:51:07,689 --> 00:51:09,441
Post-crime? Organized/disorganized?
947
00:51:09,524 --> 00:51:11,244
Can't we just find
more articulate subjects?
948
00:51:11,276 --> 00:51:12,694
Pierce, he's interesting.
949
00:51:12,778 --> 00:51:14,613
You were not there.
And you are far too kind.
950
00:51:14,696 --> 00:51:17,908
He killed impulsively:
the shopkeeper, gas station attendant.
951
00:51:17,991 --> 00:51:19,451
He killed compulsively too.
952
00:51:19,534 --> 00:51:22,662
Three of his victims tied up and raped,
murdered. BTK-like.
953
00:51:22,746 --> 00:51:24,039
And Hance, he's interesting.
954
00:51:24,122 --> 00:51:26,625
Though he claims he didn't notice,
he killed outside his race,
955
00:51:26,708 --> 00:51:28,335
which we know is highly unusual.
956
00:51:28,418 --> 00:51:30,045
We should spend more time on that.
957
00:51:30,128 --> 00:51:32,732
We may have been too certain
of our thinking about racial grouping.
958
00:51:32,756 --> 00:51:34,424
I'm not sure about the racial component.
959
00:51:34,508 --> 00:51:35,634
Really, Gregg?
960
00:51:35,717 --> 00:51:37,385
What part of Karen Hickman being white
961
00:51:37,469 --> 00:51:39,763
and William Henry Hance being black
are you unsure of?
962
00:51:39,846 --> 00:51:41,807
Obviously, I agree with you there.
963
00:51:41,890 --> 00:51:44,351
I was looking at it
from the essentialist perspective.
964
00:51:44,434 --> 00:51:46,394
From the "essentialist perspective."
965
00:51:46,853 --> 00:51:48,021
What's that?
966
00:51:48,105 --> 00:51:51,983
Aristotle proposed that all things
have a substance or essence
967
00:51:52,067 --> 00:51:53,568
that makes them what they are.
968
00:51:53,819 --> 00:51:56,947
Similarly, Plato argued
that groups are bound
969
00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:59,032
by an essential characteristic.
970
00:51:59,116 --> 00:52:00,968
And what are the essential characteristics
971
00:52:00,992 --> 00:52:02,953
that place Hance and Hickman
in the same group?
972
00:52:04,329 --> 00:52:05,413
Their uniform.
973
00:52:07,707 --> 00:52:08,708
They're both soldiers.
974
00:52:11,211 --> 00:52:12,379
Just a thought.
975
00:52:14,548 --> 00:52:15,882
I have to meet up with Nancy.
976
00:52:16,341 --> 00:52:18,552
- Date night?
- Somethin' like that.
977
00:52:19,553 --> 00:52:20,887
That's interesting, Gregg.
978
00:52:21,471 --> 00:52:24,224
Racial grouping
may not always be the dominant factor.
979
00:52:24,307 --> 00:52:25,308
We should look into that.
980
00:52:25,809 --> 00:52:26,809
Kemper.
981
00:52:27,435 --> 00:52:29,312
His victims were all white,
except for one,
982
00:52:29,396 --> 00:52:32,232
but the dominant factor
was they were all coeds.
983
00:52:33,150 --> 00:52:35,694
Well, thank goodness Jim Barney
stuck with the instrument.
984
00:52:47,664 --> 00:52:49,541
Detective Spencer,
I want to thank you
985
00:52:49,624 --> 00:52:53,879
for agreeing to come to tell us
what you can about this terrible tragedy.
986
00:52:54,421 --> 00:52:55,421
Please.
987
00:52:56,089 --> 00:52:58,300
Thank you, Father Monaghan.
988
00:52:58,675 --> 00:53:01,678
Good evening, I'm Art Spencer,
Fredericksburg PD.
989
00:53:02,262 --> 00:53:04,306
As you know, three days ago,
we received a call.
990
00:53:04,389 --> 00:53:06,266
A young child was reported missing.
991
00:53:06,766 --> 00:53:08,018
Less than 24 hours later,
992
00:53:08,101 --> 00:53:10,478
one of our officers found him
in an empty house.
993
00:53:10,562 --> 00:53:12,397
There were no signs of forced entry.
994
00:53:12,814 --> 00:53:14,482
No one saw or heard a thing.
995
00:53:16,234 --> 00:53:17,903
The child was deceased.
996
00:53:17,986 --> 00:53:21,114
We canvassed the neighborhood
and will continue to do so.
997
00:53:21,364 --> 00:53:24,117
Our lab technicians completed
their sweep of the scene.
998
00:53:24,451 --> 00:53:26,870
As of this moment, we have no suspects.
999
00:53:26,953 --> 00:53:29,039
Excuse me, Detective.
Sorry to interrupt, but,
1000
00:53:29,122 --> 00:53:30,790
well, we'd like to know...
1001
00:53:31,583 --> 00:53:33,210
how did Daniel die?
1002
00:53:34,211 --> 00:53:36,046
- Sir?
- Dale. Dale Harmon.
1003
00:53:36,129 --> 00:53:39,132
Mr. Harmon, I'm sure you can appreciate
the medical examiner
1004
00:53:39,216 --> 00:53:40,842
has not delivered his findings.
1005
00:53:41,259 --> 00:53:43,720
I can't give any details
while we're still investigating.
1006
00:53:43,803 --> 00:53:45,430
Was Daniel murdered?
1007
00:53:47,265 --> 00:53:49,100
It's too early to answer that question.
1008
00:53:49,184 --> 00:53:53,730
There are unsettling rumors that this was
some kind of cult sacrifice or something.
1009
00:53:53,813 --> 00:53:57,192
We have no reason to believe that...
at this moment.
1010
00:53:57,692 --> 00:54:01,529
What does "at this moment" mean?
That's not particularly calming
1011
00:54:01,613 --> 00:54:02,697
to any of us in this room.
1012
00:54:02,781 --> 00:54:05,242
Let's not traffic
in gossip and speculation.
1013
00:54:05,325 --> 00:54:07,702
Father, I... We... We understand.
1014
00:54:07,786 --> 00:54:10,288
And I wanna be sensitive
to the grieving family.
1015
00:54:10,372 --> 00:54:13,291
But hearing anything like cults
or ritual sacrifice is...
1016
00:54:13,375 --> 00:54:14,501
is very upsetting.
1017
00:54:15,210 --> 00:54:17,921
Most of us here tonight have
young children. And they're scared.
1018
00:54:18,004 --> 00:54:20,090
So we're asking you
to share with us some answers.
1019
00:54:20,173 --> 00:54:22,360
Our ten-year-old daughter
doesn't want to go to school.
1020
00:54:22,384 --> 00:54:24,344
She's afraid to even play in our backyard.
1021
00:54:24,427 --> 00:54:27,430
I can assure you, as soon
as we are certain of the answers,
1022
00:54:27,514 --> 00:54:28,348
we will provide them.
1023
00:54:28,431 --> 00:54:32,102
My son told me the other night
he's scared to fall asleep because...
1024
00:54:32,185 --> 00:54:34,104
"I don't know
if I won't wake up like Daniel."
1025
00:54:34,187 --> 00:54:35,272
Excuse me.
1026
00:54:37,065 --> 00:54:38,275
Art, may I?
1027
00:54:39,859 --> 00:54:40,902
I'm Bill Tench.
1028
00:54:41,069 --> 00:54:42,279
I work at the FBI.
1029
00:54:42,737 --> 00:54:44,239
Some of you may not know me.
1030
00:54:44,948 --> 00:54:47,909
I don't come to Sunday service
as often as my wife Nancy.
1031
00:54:48,326 --> 00:54:50,495
Two days ago, I visited the crime scene.
1032
00:54:50,912 --> 00:54:52,664
I respect everyone's frustrations,
1033
00:54:52,747 --> 00:54:56,835
but let me reassure you this has nothing
to do with a cult or anything like that.
1034
00:54:57,419 --> 00:54:59,671
Rod, everyone,
1035
00:54:59,754 --> 00:55:02,090
Detective Spencer's
doing everything he can.
1036
00:55:02,173 --> 00:55:03,213
He has my full confidence.
1037
00:55:04,467 --> 00:55:06,886
Please... a little patience.
1038
00:55:06,970 --> 00:55:08,471
But Bill, you have experience with...
1039
00:55:11,558 --> 00:55:13,601
Thank you for speaking up.
1040
00:55:15,895 --> 00:55:18,398
Yes, thank you for that,
Agent Tench.
1041
00:55:18,815 --> 00:55:21,526
I'd like us all to take a moment and pray.
1042
00:55:21,901 --> 00:55:23,820
For our congregants the Dickinsons...
1043
00:55:24,779 --> 00:55:26,990
and for the detectives
working on this case.
1044
00:55:55,852 --> 00:55:58,772
♪ Gonna make you ♪
1045
00:55:58,855 --> 00:56:01,941
♪ Make you, make you notice ♪
1046
00:56:02,776 --> 00:56:05,236
♪ Gonna use my arms ♪
1047
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,739
♪ Gonna use my legs ♪
1048
00:56:07,822 --> 00:56:09,699
♪ Gonna use my style ♪
1049
00:56:10,241 --> 00:56:12,160
♪ Gonna use my sidestep ♪
1050
00:56:12,243 --> 00:56:15,080
♪ Gonna use my fingers ♪
1051
00:56:15,163 --> 00:56:19,209
♪ Gonna use my, my, my imagination... ♪
1052
00:56:19,292 --> 00:56:20,292
Give me a second.
1053
00:56:20,627 --> 00:56:24,047
♪ 'Cause I gonna make you see ♪
1054
00:56:24,798 --> 00:56:26,925
♪ There's nobody else here... ♪
1055
00:56:27,634 --> 00:56:29,219
- The usual?
- Please.
1056
00:56:29,969 --> 00:56:32,430
- ♪ I'm special ♪
- ♪ Special... ♪
1057
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:34,950
Pretty soon, I'm gonna have
to start calling you a regular.
1058
00:56:34,974 --> 00:56:36,142
Last time, I promise.
1059
00:56:37,685 --> 00:56:38,853
People will talk.
1060
00:56:41,314 --> 00:56:43,441
In my job, I can't have people talking.
1061
00:56:44,484 --> 00:56:45,568
I was kidding.
1062
00:56:49,531 --> 00:56:51,574
So what does one do for fun around here?
1063
00:56:52,283 --> 00:56:54,160
You have a lot of free time at Quantico?
1064
00:56:55,745 --> 00:56:56,788
Not really, no.
1065
00:56:58,248 --> 00:57:01,626
But if I did, if I did have a night off,
is there a place?
1066
00:57:03,586 --> 00:57:04,586
For us?
1067
00:57:05,797 --> 00:57:07,590
Are you looking for a tour guide...
1068
00:57:08,883 --> 00:57:09,883
or a date?
1069
00:57:13,513 --> 00:57:14,513
A date.
1070
00:57:19,477 --> 00:57:22,564
♪ 'Cause I gonna make you see ♪
1071
00:57:23,398 --> 00:57:25,483
♪ There's nobody else here ♪
1072
00:57:25,900 --> 00:57:27,694
♪ No one like me ♪
1073
00:57:28,653 --> 00:57:31,030
- ♪ I'm special ♪
- ♪ Special ♪
1074
00:57:31,156 --> 00:57:33,616
- ♪ So special ♪
- ♪ Special ♪
1075
00:57:33,700 --> 00:57:37,537
♪ I gotta have some of your attention ♪
1076
00:57:37,620 --> 00:57:39,122
♪ Give it to me ♪
1077
00:57:39,205 --> 00:57:42,333
♪ 'Cause I gonna make you see ♪
1078
00:57:42,750 --> 00:57:45,170
♪ There's nobody else here ♪
1079
00:57:45,295 --> 00:57:47,172
♪ No one like me ♪
1080
00:57:48,173 --> 00:57:50,717
- ♪ I'm special ♪
- ♪ Special ♪
1081
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,219
- ♪ So special ♪
- ♪ Special ♪
1082
00:57:53,303 --> 00:57:57,098
♪ I gotta have some of your attention ♪
1083
00:57:57,557 --> 00:57:59,476
♪ Give it to me ♪
9999
00:00:0,500 --> 00:00:2,00
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