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How ya doin',
Bobby Taylor?
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If I ever turned you down seven times
for lewd proposals,
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I haven't turned you down once.
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- Well...
- If I were you, Holly,
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I'd have taken this man in
and had him neutered!
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Oh, and, Holly, honey...
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- Night.
- Thank you.
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Or Max's Liquor Store
is gonna come and take your home
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for the booze bill.
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And Mr. Kirby Baker,
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our fine real estate executive.
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Baker Realty.
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Honesty.
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Honesty since 1938.
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Your secretary,
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poor little Gladys Wilmett,
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she had to leave town awful sudden.
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Had to see
a special kind of doctor in Cincinnati.
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I know, I know the nights are just so warm
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that poor Willie May just had to leave
her shades open an inch.
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Detective Drowatzky?
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Bill Tench.
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Bernie.
My kids say I look like a cop.
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Don't we all?
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I'm this way.
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Where do you stand on active leads?
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Nobody.
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Or everybody.
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But every time we get a letter,
we get a new detail.
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Right now, we're tryin' to trace
the Xerox machine he uses
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by signature marks on the paper edge
and... ink diffusion.
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Sophisticated work.
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I got 20-year street cops who know more
about toner than the copy guy.
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Could be us spinning our wheels again.
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When we get to the station,
you can see the letters.
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Any of the crime scenes accessible?
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All of 'em. They're still vacant.
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But we've combed through them
pretty good over the years.
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It really helps
to put the photos in context.
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If you don't mind.
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Might as well start at the beginning.
Otero.
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Bit of a drive.
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I hope you don't mind
a little Willie Nelson.
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Not at all.
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♪ Angel flyin' too close ♪
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♪ To the ground ♪
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803 North Edgemoor.
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The Otero house.
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January 1974.
They'd just moved in two months prior.
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It was a school day.
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Neighbors were comin' and goin'
all morning.
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One of 'em even saw BTK drive off
in the family car afterwards.
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Women around here come home,
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first thing they do is check
the phone still works...
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five years later.
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We think he came in here.
The two kids making their lunches.
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The older three had already gone
to school.
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They had five kids in this house?
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Retired military.
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Used to base housing.
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No forced entry.
The dog was in the yard when we got here.
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It makes no sense to come into a house
with an adult male and a dog.
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Nothing makes sense.
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He took the money
out of Mr. Otero's wallet,
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emptied her purse,
and stole Mr. Otero's aviator's watch.
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- But clearly, robbery was not his motive.
- And the driver's licenses were missing.
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- Yeah.
- He was taking souvenirs.
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And he already knew what he wanted
on his very first kill.
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So the dad would've been about here,
tied to the foot of the bed.
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Police report said he was suffocated
with a plastic bag and a T-shirt?
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Later,
we found there was a hole in it.
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Mr. Otero managed to rip it
with his teeth.
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The killer took the plastic bag off,
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put the T-shirt on over his head
so he couldn't tear it again,
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and then put the bag back on.
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Agonizing.
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And Mrs. Otero was on the bed.
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She had double ligature marks.
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Must have come to,
so he had to do it again.
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We think that since it was his first try,
he botched it.
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The kids must've been in here.
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They had to have seen everything.
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We found the youngest boy on the floor,
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suffocated.
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Two T-shirts and a bag.
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So, the killer learned, took no chances.
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He would've brought the little girl
in here too. Couldn't leave her alone.
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There was a chair here
with deep carpet indentations.
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We think he sat to watch the boy die.
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That would have taken...?
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Between four and six minutes.
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My partner and I were first
on the scene.
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It was completely dark down here.
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He was feeling for a light
when something bumped him.
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That's when we found the little girl...
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hanging from this pipe.
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Oh, Jesus.
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What happened to the older Otero kids?
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Any chance I could talk to them?
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Relatives
in Albuquerque came and got 'em.
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They won't let the kids relive
any part of it.
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They were the ones who found the bodies.
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Cut the ropes
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from their parents' necks,
tryin' to save 'em.
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They call now and again.
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Five years later...
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I got nothin'.
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♪ I love a rainy night... ♪
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We kept thinkin'
we'd catch him...
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just around the corner.
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That first week after Otero,
not one of us went home.
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We turned over every parolee,
every sex offender.
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My partner and I even stayed over
the first three nights.
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In the house?
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Hoping the killer would come back.
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- See anything?
- Nothin'.
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A month later,
we stayed the night in there again.
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With a psychic.
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You consulted Uri Geller
before the FBI?
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We were graspin' at anything.
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That poor guy got so freaked out.
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He was gone the second the sun came up.
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So, is that true?
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Do these guys return
to the scene of the crime?
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We were just going on
what we'd always heard.
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Old detective stories.
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The psychopath feels guilty or somethin'.
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Ed Kemper, the Coed Killer...
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Yeah?
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He told us he went back.
But not out of anything like guilt.
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He considered those places
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somehow sacred,
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if you can imagine that.
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Truthfully, we haven't been asking
that question, but we probably should.
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Tell me about his letters.
They were all sent to the press?
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Cops actually got spooked.
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We wondered:
did he know who was workin' the case?
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Would he come after us? Our wives?
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I had this one sergeant.
Ten-year guy, tough.
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Slept on his sofa with a shotgun
for a year.
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Finally, he and his wife relocated.
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We've lost a lot
of the original task force over the years.
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- I bet.
- It's hard on guys.
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What about the lady he missed?
Could I speak with her?
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Anna?
She moved the next day.
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Left everything behind.
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- Furniture, everything.
- He's clearing out the town.
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He's got the whole city twitchin'
like prey.
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Kathy Bright's brother,
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- he's still around.
- He's around.
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We think that's why BTK never named her
as a victim.
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He knew he left a witness.
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If he hadn't claimed seven,
we would never have connected her.
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MO's wrong.
She was stabbed, Kevin was shot.
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But the son of a bitch wants credit
for every single one.
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I'd like to talk to Kevin.
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He took three bullets in the face.
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- Spent a year in the hospital.
- Is he... reliable?
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- He's all we got.
- ♪ Yeah, I love a rainy night ♪
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You know, I've done undercover drug deals
with less skullduggery than this.
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He doesn't wanna be seen talkin'
to cops.
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The safer he feels, the longer he'll stay.
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Kevin has good days and bad days.
I'm hopin' this one's good.
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- That loaded?
- Always.
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Don't worry, Kevin wouldn't hurt a fly.
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Jesus improve your aim?
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I'm a woodworker.
If I'm pullin' a shotgun,
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it's 'cause I'm in a situation
where aiming is not an option.
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At that point,
I'll take all the help I can get.
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- This our guy?
- That's him.
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Can't be a buck-forty soppin' wet.
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He's lost a lot of weight.
Nerve damage from the shooting.
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Remember to face forward.
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Hey, Kevin. How you doing?
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Could you, uh,
please turn the mirror?
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I'm, uh... doin' all right...
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I guess.
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This is Agent Tench.
I'm gonna let him ask his questions.
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I don't know what else I can tell you.
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Thank you for coming, Kevin.
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What I'd like to do is ask you
some questions,
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some of which you've heard before.
Some may be new.
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I'll listen to your story,
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but I'm gonna focus
on the suspect's behavior.
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I'm gonna ask you to go
into a lot of detail.
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Everything is important.
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All right.
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On that Thursday,
your sister left her car in the driveway,
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is that right?
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We were in Dad's truck.
I was bringin' her home.
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As you approached the house,
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did you notice anything different
or strange?
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No, sir.
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Kathy and me were just laughing,
talkin' when we walked in.
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Then he came out.
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Was he aggressive?
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Did he seem angry? Jumpy?
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Just... real matter-of-fact.
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But... like he could be mean underneath.
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What do you remember of his clothes,
how he was dressed?
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I... gave a description.
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Black... golf gloves, green jacket.
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But how did they seem to you?
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Clean, dirty, cheap?
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Didn't seem cheap.
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The jacket was bulky.
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Nice.
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Everything was clean.
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A lot of pockets.
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Did he say anything else?
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He said he was a wanted man.
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He said,
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"I'm wanted in California,
and I need to get to New York."
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Were you afraid,
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or did you think
he was telling you the truth?
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I figured it was just a robbery.
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I gave him the truck keys.
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I thought he had what he wanted,
so he'd go.
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But he didn't.
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Did he force you to tie Kathy up?
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Didn't... force.
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- Just told me.
- Told you how?
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Real simple.
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He made everything sound... reasonable.
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Like if we just did this,
he was gonna leave.
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Where did he get the cord
he tied you with?
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From his pockets.
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I tied Kathy pretty loose.
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He made me lie down,
and he tied my hands behind my back.
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He tied my feet to the bed.
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And what was he like when he tied you?
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Was he... nervous, flustered?
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Uh... not at all.
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I watched him tie my feet.
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He was fast with knots.
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- Like he'd done it before.
- Mm-hmm.
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Was he rough? Angry?
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Did he tie you tight?
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He was almost... gentle.
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Gentle?
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It seemed.
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He took a pillow from the bed
and put it under my head.
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That's interesting.
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I want to come back to that,
but please continue.
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He took Kathy into the other room.
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I... couldn't tell what was going on.
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Then I heard noises.
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What kind of noises?
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Not... moans,
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almost little cries.
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Then it got real quiet.
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And I couldn't hear him anymore.
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All of a sudden,
a radio came on in my room, loud.
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And he put something around my neck,
and he started pulling.
255
00:14:26,782 --> 00:14:27,950
It was so fast.
256
00:14:28,033 --> 00:14:29,410
What did you do?
257
00:14:29,493 --> 00:14:31,871
I just started kicking
and twisting.
258
00:14:32,580 --> 00:14:34,832
I... I knew right then,
he was gonna kill me.
259
00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,543
When he was strangling you,
did he say anything?
260
00:14:38,586 --> 00:14:39,962
Uh... no.
261
00:14:42,548 --> 00:14:44,091
Kevin, this is important.
262
00:14:44,675 --> 00:14:48,429
At any time, when he was tying you up
or when he was strangling you,
263
00:14:48,929 --> 00:14:51,473
could you tell if he had an erection?
264
00:14:51,849 --> 00:14:54,935
Uh...
265
00:14:55,895 --> 00:14:57,021
I don't know.
266
00:14:57,313 --> 00:14:59,481
I... I couldn't see.
267
00:14:59,565 --> 00:15:00,565
That's all right.
268
00:15:00,983 --> 00:15:01,983
How'd you get away?
269
00:15:02,484 --> 00:15:05,946
I was thrashing around so much,
my feet broke loose.
270
00:15:06,196 --> 00:15:08,616
I stood up. I got my hands free.
271
00:15:09,450 --> 00:15:11,911
I saw him go for the gun.
272
00:15:11,994 --> 00:15:13,078
I grabbed at it.
273
00:15:13,537 --> 00:15:14,580
We fought for it.
274
00:15:15,664 --> 00:15:17,750
I got it turned.
275
00:15:18,792 --> 00:15:23,005
I had it right at his stomach.
I... I pulled the trigger twice,
276
00:15:23,088 --> 00:15:24,768
as hard as I could,
but it wouldn't go off.
277
00:15:24,798 --> 00:15:26,008
He'd have had the safety on.
278
00:15:26,091 --> 00:15:28,111
Everything would be different
if I had only shot him.
279
00:15:28,135 --> 00:15:30,071
There's no way
you could've gotten the safety off
280
00:15:30,095 --> 00:15:32,222
and shot him with him pulling on the gun.
281
00:15:32,431 --> 00:15:34,141
I guess it slipped out of my hands
282
00:15:34,224 --> 00:15:37,061
'cause he had it,
and he pulled the trigger.
283
00:15:37,561 --> 00:15:39,480
First bullet grazed my face.
284
00:15:39,855 --> 00:15:42,858
The second one went
in the side of my head.
285
00:15:43,442 --> 00:15:46,362
That's when I...hit the floor.
286
00:15:46,695 --> 00:15:48,781
- Did you pass out?
- Uh-uh.
287
00:15:50,908 --> 00:15:51,909
I never did.
288
00:15:53,494 --> 00:15:55,496
I was awake the whole time.
289
00:15:57,498 --> 00:15:59,124
I decided to play dead.
290
00:15:59,541 --> 00:16:03,087
- What did you hear next?
- Kathy... moan.
291
00:16:04,588 --> 00:16:06,090
I heard him grunting.
292
00:16:06,799 --> 00:16:09,259
And I was in there playing possum.
293
00:16:09,343 --> 00:16:10,469
It's okay, Kevin.
294
00:16:14,098 --> 00:16:18,102
He must have heard me move
because he was on me again.
295
00:16:18,185 --> 00:16:20,789
He shot me. Blew my teeth out.
296
00:16:20,813 --> 00:16:23,816
Then he went back to Kathy.
297
00:16:25,859 --> 00:16:27,736
I... could barely stand.
298
00:16:28,612 --> 00:16:30,739
The radio was so loud.
299
00:16:30,823 --> 00:16:32,366
There was blood everywhere.
300
00:16:32,908 --> 00:16:35,452
I looked around, you know,
for something to hit him with,
301
00:16:35,536 --> 00:16:37,329
but I thought...
302
00:16:37,871 --> 00:16:41,291
...the best chance was to get help.
303
00:16:41,709 --> 00:16:42,751
So you ran.
304
00:16:43,293 --> 00:16:45,671
Uh-huh.
305
00:16:46,422 --> 00:16:48,674
- Yeah.
- It's the best thing you coulda done.
306
00:16:48,757 --> 00:16:50,509
I coulda gone back in there!
307
00:16:50,592 --> 00:16:52,011
We would've lost you both.
308
00:16:56,974 --> 00:16:57,975
Kevin, thank you.
309
00:16:58,767 --> 00:17:01,812
If you think of anything else,
any detail...
310
00:17:01,895 --> 00:17:02,895
No.
311
00:17:03,731 --> 00:17:06,025
Um... He wore a watch.
312
00:17:06,984 --> 00:17:10,988
Yeah, a... a big, steel,
military kind.
313
00:17:22,124 --> 00:17:24,001
Was it at all similar to this one?
314
00:17:28,005 --> 00:17:29,131
It looked like that.
315
00:17:30,007 --> 00:17:31,341
Joseph Otero's watch.
316
00:17:31,425 --> 00:17:34,136
That's that family, right?
It's him, isn't it?
317
00:17:34,219 --> 00:17:35,054
BTK.
318
00:17:35,137 --> 00:17:37,890
He bragged about a fifth victim,
but he never named her.
319
00:17:38,390 --> 00:17:39,475
We think it was Kathy.
320
00:17:39,558 --> 00:17:41,935
I told you, he'd done this before.
321
00:17:42,019 --> 00:17:43,479
He knew what he was doing!
322
00:17:43,562 --> 00:17:45,689
I... I don't have brain damage
like they say.
323
00:17:45,773 --> 00:17:47,483
- I just get tired!
- We believe you.
324
00:17:47,900 --> 00:17:50,486
- And we'll catch him.
- I can't wait for that.
325
00:17:50,569 --> 00:17:52,404
- What do you mean?
- I saw his face!
326
00:17:52,488 --> 00:17:53,781
He knows I'm out here.
327
00:17:53,864 --> 00:17:56,625
Every time I walk into a store,
every time somebody walks into a room.
328
00:17:56,700 --> 00:17:58,994
- Even at church.
- This guy does not go to church.
329
00:17:59,078 --> 00:18:01,278
- Where are you gonna go, Kevin?
- Just... away.
330
00:18:11,131 --> 00:18:12,549
Can't say that I blame him.
331
00:19:41,597 --> 00:19:42,681
Nance?
332
00:19:43,307 --> 00:19:44,933
- Uh, what's wrong?
- Nothing.
333
00:19:45,017 --> 00:19:46,017
It's okay.
334
00:19:46,643 --> 00:19:48,729
Honey, did you leave the back door open?
335
00:19:49,438 --> 00:19:51,481
I was taking out the trash.
Brian couldn't sleep.
336
00:19:51,565 --> 00:19:52,941
Are you... Are you coming to bed?
337
00:19:53,525 --> 00:19:55,360
- I'll be in soon.
- All right.
338
00:20:22,679 --> 00:20:25,319
Wendy's almost ready to meet
for those Georgia interviews.
339
00:20:25,474 --> 00:20:26,600
Right.
340
00:20:32,231 --> 00:20:34,233
- BTK.
- He's a new animal.
341
00:20:34,316 --> 00:20:37,152
- Lots of interesting contradictions.
- You mind?
342
00:20:43,450 --> 00:20:47,621
He brought the little girl to the basement
and constructed a ritualized execution.
343
00:20:48,455 --> 00:20:49,623
That took time.
344
00:20:51,166 --> 00:20:52,668
This was a big risk.
345
00:20:53,252 --> 00:20:54,938
Her scene is the only one
with semen present.
346
00:20:54,962 --> 00:20:56,505
She was clearly his primary interest.
347
00:20:56,588 --> 00:20:59,049
The rest of the family is just...
collateral.
348
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,678
He only expected the mother
and youngest daughter to be home.
349
00:21:03,178 --> 00:21:04,178
But he learns.
350
00:21:04,596 --> 00:21:06,598
After the Oteros,
all of his victims are women.
351
00:21:06,682 --> 00:21:09,643
None of the men were at home,
except for your witness, Bright's brother.
352
00:21:09,726 --> 00:21:10,886
Kevin wasn't expected either.
353
00:21:10,936 --> 00:21:14,189
So BTK changes his MO,
and that's why he stabs the sister.
354
00:21:14,940 --> 00:21:17,818
What's amazing is
even though he was surprised
355
00:21:17,901 --> 00:21:19,903
during the Bright and Otero murders,
356
00:21:21,822 --> 00:21:24,574
he somehow manages
to overcome his own panic.
357
00:21:24,658 --> 00:21:26,034
Imagine the adrenaline.
358
00:21:26,118 --> 00:21:29,454
You've planned for a petite woman
and an eleven-year-old girl.
359
00:21:29,538 --> 00:21:31,331
And all of a sudden,
you got a barking dog,
360
00:21:31,415 --> 00:21:34,001
another child,
and a retired master sergeant.
361
00:21:34,459 --> 00:21:36,920
But he didn't run. He took his time.
362
00:21:37,754 --> 00:21:39,339
Maybe Otero wasn't his first.
363
00:21:39,423 --> 00:21:41,550
Too many rookie mistakes.
It was his first.
364
00:21:41,633 --> 00:21:44,594
But I also think
that he was exceptionally prepared.
365
00:21:44,678 --> 00:21:45,512
He practiced?
366
00:21:45,595 --> 00:21:48,265
Remember Kemper practiced on dolls,
animals.
367
00:21:48,765 --> 00:21:50,100
He spent years fantasizing,
368
00:21:50,183 --> 00:21:52,185
so he knew
exactly how he was going to do it
369
00:21:52,269 --> 00:21:53,562
when the time came.
370
00:21:53,645 --> 00:21:55,525
There's no way our guy doesn't have
a rap sheet.
371
00:21:55,564 --> 00:21:56,564
Animal abuse,
372
00:21:56,606 --> 00:21:59,151
maybe peeping neighborhood girls,
assaulting prostitutes.
373
00:21:59,234 --> 00:22:00,736
So what have we got so far?
374
00:22:00,861 --> 00:22:03,238
White male, late 20s to early 30s,
375
00:22:03,322 --> 00:22:05,657
rap sheet, possible assault complaints.
376
00:22:05,741 --> 00:22:07,034
High school education at best.
377
00:22:07,117 --> 00:22:09,119
Has difficulty holding
more than a menial job.
378
00:22:09,202 --> 00:22:12,122
Kevin said he smelled "clean."
His clothes were nice.
379
00:22:12,205 --> 00:22:13,874
He wasn't angry or harsh.
380
00:22:13,957 --> 00:22:17,377
He sounds almost as ordinary and suburban
as the victim pool.
381
00:22:17,461 --> 00:22:20,130
Everyone we've interviewed
is a product of a difficult home
382
00:22:20,213 --> 00:22:21,548
and a string of adult failures.
383
00:22:21,631 --> 00:22:23,675
- Hmm.
- They're all emotionally scarred.
384
00:22:23,759 --> 00:22:27,095
The only one who managed to keep a job
was Brudos, and he was blue-collar.
385
00:22:27,179 --> 00:22:28,388
What about his letters
386
00:22:28,472 --> 00:22:30,307
that he writes to the newspaper?
387
00:22:32,809 --> 00:22:34,644
He's equating himself with famous killers.
388
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,273
"Son of Sam," "Jack the Ripper,"
"Ted of the West Coast."
389
00:22:38,357 --> 00:22:40,067
That's gotta be Bundy. Who's Glatman?
390
00:22:40,150 --> 00:22:42,778
Harvey. Famous for binding
and strangling women in the '50s.
391
00:22:42,861 --> 00:22:45,113
- Of course you know that.
- He's studying them.
392
00:22:45,197 --> 00:22:46,948
Modeling himself after them.
393
00:22:47,032 --> 00:22:48,032
Look at this page.
394
00:22:48,241 --> 00:22:50,369
He actually gives himself possible names.
395
00:22:50,911 --> 00:22:52,037
"I like the following.
396
00:22:52,287 --> 00:22:53,287
How about you?
397
00:22:53,330 --> 00:22:55,499
'The BTK Strangler, '
398
00:22:55,582 --> 00:22:59,002
'Wichita Strangler, '
'Wichita Executioner.'"
399
00:22:59,086 --> 00:23:01,171
He's christening himself for the media.
400
00:23:01,254 --> 00:23:04,549
Like Zodiac,
or Berkowitz naming himself "Son of Sam."
401
00:23:04,633 --> 00:23:08,178
Berkowitz also courted the press.
He wrote directly to Jimmy Breslin.
402
00:23:08,553 --> 00:23:11,223
Berkowitz also gave himself a symbol
with initials.
403
00:23:11,306 --> 00:23:13,350
He used it on every letter he wrote.
404
00:23:13,433 --> 00:23:14,433
Right.
405
00:23:15,102 --> 00:23:16,186
It had a cross on the top.
406
00:23:18,271 --> 00:23:19,271
Like this.
407
00:23:20,816 --> 00:23:21,900
Look at our guy.
408
00:23:27,739 --> 00:23:29,408
We have to talk to the chubby behemoth.
409
00:23:30,158 --> 00:23:33,036
This is what we're doing now?
Rearranging our interviews
410
00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:34,579
to service investigations?
411
00:23:34,663 --> 00:23:36,540
Because all of our subjects are important.
412
00:23:36,623 --> 00:23:38,559
Berkowitz has been on the list
since the beginning.
413
00:23:38,583 --> 00:23:41,753
Maybe, but we need to discuss
where he fits into our analysis.
414
00:23:42,421 --> 00:23:44,172
I mean, he's a diagnosed schizophrenic.
415
00:23:44,256 --> 00:23:45,376
So was Kemper as a juvenile.
416
00:23:45,424 --> 00:23:48,593
We need to at least consider
that Berkowitz is a blitz killer.
417
00:23:49,136 --> 00:23:52,681
He exhibits none of Kemper
or Brudos' psycho-sexual motivations.
418
00:23:52,764 --> 00:23:55,976
By his own account, he walked up to cars,
fired five shots, and then ran.
419
00:23:56,059 --> 00:23:58,019
I can't see how anything lasting
19 seconds
420
00:23:58,103 --> 00:24:00,021
could allow for sexual gratification.
421
00:24:00,105 --> 00:24:04,443
Well,
we know BTK is inspired by Berkowitz.
422
00:24:04,985 --> 00:24:07,737
And we know BTK kills
for sexual fulfillment.
423
00:24:08,196 --> 00:24:10,240
And he's active. Seven so far.
424
00:24:10,323 --> 00:24:11,491
And he's hunting again.
425
00:24:12,033 --> 00:24:14,035
Either of these Georgia boys
up for the chair?
426
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:15,912
- Hance is on death row.
- On appeal.
427
00:24:15,996 --> 00:24:17,996
Plenty of time.
We'll push them off a week.
428
00:24:18,039 --> 00:24:19,517
I'll put together the research. Gregg,
429
00:24:19,541 --> 00:24:21,042
- can you change the flights?
- Sure.
430
00:24:31,970 --> 00:24:33,130
This is what we're doin' now.
431
00:24:35,724 --> 00:24:36,725
What?
432
00:24:40,770 --> 00:24:42,689
This doesn't seem like your scene.
433
00:24:43,106 --> 00:24:44,316
Holden brought me here.
434
00:24:44,524 --> 00:24:46,276
Doesn't seem like Holden's scene.
435
00:24:47,777 --> 00:24:49,571
Look, I won't usually betray a confidence,
436
00:24:50,363 --> 00:24:53,074
but when Holden disappeared
those two days,
437
00:24:53,450 --> 00:24:54,868
he went to see Kemper.
438
00:24:54,951 --> 00:24:57,287
Now, whatever happened
during that visit precipitated...
439
00:24:57,370 --> 00:24:58,205
Panic attacks.
440
00:24:58,288 --> 00:25:00,624
- You knew?
- I had to retrieve his ass.
441
00:25:01,166 --> 00:25:03,846
I'm really sorry I didn't tell you.
I thought the last thing we need
442
00:25:03,919 --> 00:25:05,980
is for Holden to have everyone
walking on eggshells around here.
443
00:25:06,004 --> 00:25:07,884
Quite frankly, Bill,
this demands our attention.
444
00:25:07,923 --> 00:25:11,384
He had an episode. Even the doctor said
it feels worse than it is.
445
00:25:11,468 --> 00:25:13,678
Panic attacks may not be brought on
by anything real,
446
00:25:13,762 --> 00:25:15,138
but their effects are very real.
447
00:25:15,597 --> 00:25:17,742
Whether you think Holden deserves
your sympathy or not,
448
00:25:17,766 --> 00:25:19,768
this could have serious consequences
for us
449
00:25:19,851 --> 00:25:22,646
and very real physiological consequences
for him.
450
00:25:22,729 --> 00:25:23,730
You're right.
451
00:25:24,648 --> 00:25:26,274
- Does Gunn know about this?
- No.
452
00:25:26,525 --> 00:25:29,861
He's based his vision and his largesse
on the Holden Ford miracle.
453
00:25:29,945 --> 00:25:32,030
I couldn't tell him
Boy Wonder has the vapors.
454
00:25:32,113 --> 00:25:34,675
- We might not be worth salvaging...
- With this Berkowitz interview,
455
00:25:34,699 --> 00:25:36,451
you have got to take the lead.
456
00:25:36,535 --> 00:25:38,471
He's gonna be walking in there
in a heightened state,
457
00:25:38,495 --> 00:25:41,289
knowing that he's got one shot
at the killer on the cover of Newsweek.
458
00:25:41,706 --> 00:25:44,668
He'll be anxious, vulnerable,
and that could prime him for an episode.
459
00:25:44,751 --> 00:25:46,871
The last time he was in the room
with a serial killer,
460
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,964
he ended up chained to a hospital bed.
What do I do?
461
00:25:49,047 --> 00:25:49,881
Be observant.
462
00:25:49,965 --> 00:25:53,260
Apart from the obvious physical cues,
an attack can manifest dozens of ways.
463
00:25:53,343 --> 00:25:56,137
So if he seems manic
or overly nervous, fragile...
464
00:25:56,221 --> 00:25:57,514
Should I carry smelling salts?
465
00:25:57,597 --> 00:25:58,473
It's not a joke.
466
00:25:58,557 --> 00:26:01,142
If you see one hint,
you get him out of there.
467
00:26:01,226 --> 00:26:04,646
Whatever you feel about Holden's health,
if he blows this with Berkowitz,
468
00:26:04,729 --> 00:26:06,481
Gunn will rethink his investment.
469
00:26:07,023 --> 00:26:09,901
And from now on,
there needs to be transparency between us.
470
00:26:09,985 --> 00:26:12,195
Whatever is going on with him,
we both know about it.
471
00:26:12,279 --> 00:26:13,279
Two-way street.
472
00:26:13,321 --> 00:26:14,239
Deal.
473
00:26:23,206 --> 00:26:24,332
I'll get our next one.
474
00:26:24,416 --> 00:26:26,334
- I feel like I owe you.
- I got it.
475
00:26:30,964 --> 00:26:32,964
- Another round?
- Gorgeous.
476
00:26:33,466 --> 00:26:35,719
- Mm!
- Yeah. Thank you.
477
00:26:35,802 --> 00:26:37,012
Let me get that for you.
478
00:26:37,345 --> 00:26:38,221
Leave her alone, Gary.
479
00:26:38,305 --> 00:26:40,575
She's with General Patton over there.
480
00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:42,399
Well, you keep blowing me off, Kay!
481
00:26:42,475 --> 00:26:45,979
How else is a red-blooded American patriot
supposed to spend his hard-earned pay?
482
00:26:46,062 --> 00:26:48,231
I'm sure you don't need any help
coming up with ideas.
483
00:26:48,315 --> 00:26:50,167
What if I promise
to take you out of here
484
00:26:50,191 --> 00:26:51,860
and away from all these assholes?
485
00:26:51,943 --> 00:26:53,862
- What's your name, Marine?
- Eric.
486
00:26:54,237 --> 00:26:56,239
Did you just get into Quantico, Eric?
487
00:26:56,323 --> 00:26:57,240
Yes, ma'am.
488
00:26:57,324 --> 00:26:59,284
Why don't you help me
through my first long night?
489
00:26:59,326 --> 00:27:00,702
Oh, Eric, you are new here.
490
00:27:01,286 --> 00:27:03,038
These boys put you up to it, didn't they?
491
00:27:03,121 --> 00:27:05,999
Sadly, you are warming up the bat
all by yourself tonight.
492
00:27:06,750 --> 00:27:09,210
I play for the other team.
493
00:27:10,545 --> 00:27:11,588
If she's bent,
494
00:27:11,671 --> 00:27:12,857
so are Christie Brinkley
and Brooke Shields.
495
00:27:12,881 --> 00:27:15,041
- Well, I'd watch that pillow fight.
- Same tab?
496
00:27:16,134 --> 00:27:17,510
No, I've got this one.
497
00:27:21,598 --> 00:27:22,599
That really work?
498
00:27:23,308 --> 00:27:24,768
People see what they wanna see.
499
00:27:25,518 --> 00:27:26,954
Let me know
if I can get you anything else.
500
00:27:26,978 --> 00:27:28,778
- Thanks.
- Thanks for dropping by.
501
00:27:29,314 --> 00:27:31,316
Eyes forward, maggots.
502
00:27:34,903 --> 00:27:38,365
Six killed, seven wounded.
Biggest manhunt in US history.
503
00:27:38,448 --> 00:27:41,660
And he says a demon inhabiting
a neighbor's dog made him do it.
504
00:27:41,743 --> 00:27:44,221
Do we really buy that?
505
00:27:44,245 --> 00:27:45,885
On the surface, the crimes appear random,
506
00:27:45,955 --> 00:27:49,751
but... I'm not sure he's the madman
he makes himself out to be.
507
00:27:50,126 --> 00:27:52,253
There's just enough pattern
to show intention.
508
00:27:52,337 --> 00:27:55,090
He always shot at women
or women in the company of men.
509
00:27:55,173 --> 00:27:58,069
And when he shot at couples in cars,
he always shot at the passenger side.
510
00:27:58,093 --> 00:28:00,387
That was used to support
the "random" argument.
511
00:28:00,470 --> 00:28:03,765
It's the side closest to the sidewalk.
No planning, no strategy.
512
00:28:03,848 --> 00:28:04,848
Just shoot.
513
00:28:05,141 --> 00:28:07,936
But in couples,
the male is usually the driver.
514
00:28:09,187 --> 00:28:12,273
He never shot at the driver's side.
He unleashed everything on the...
515
00:28:13,024 --> 00:28:14,442
woman's side of the vehicle.
516
00:29:09,873 --> 00:29:12,333
I'm surprised the FBI hasn't come sooner.
517
00:29:13,334 --> 00:29:16,212
The night I was arrested,
the mayor came to see me.
518
00:29:16,796 --> 00:29:19,007
He came down to my cell
in the middle of the night.
519
00:29:19,090 --> 00:29:20,842
We fit you in as soon as we could.
520
00:29:23,511 --> 00:29:25,346
So, you're talking to other people?
521
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:26,430
A few.
522
00:29:27,182 --> 00:29:28,933
But no one who's done what you did.
523
00:29:30,059 --> 00:29:32,312
You held an entire city in thrall.
524
00:29:33,188 --> 00:29:36,024
Girls got their hair cut
so you wouldn't single them out.
525
00:29:36,232 --> 00:29:37,650
Discos closed early.
526
00:29:38,026 --> 00:29:40,737
It was the largest task force
New York ever assembled.
527
00:29:41,696 --> 00:29:43,114
A hundred years from now,
528
00:29:43,198 --> 00:29:45,909
people will still know the name
Son of Sam.
529
00:29:47,243 --> 00:29:49,662
I always say,
if you want to learn how to paint,
530
00:29:50,914 --> 00:29:52,248
go straight to the artist.
531
00:29:53,958 --> 00:29:56,270
- What does that mean?
- You got so much publicity,
532
00:29:56,294 --> 00:29:58,797
there's a killer out in Kansas
who idolizes you.
533
00:29:59,589 --> 00:30:01,424
He's writing letters to the press.
534
00:30:01,508 --> 00:30:03,009
And he's writing about you.
535
00:30:05,970 --> 00:30:09,140
- Is he shitting me?
- Guy's killed seven so far.
536
00:30:09,224 --> 00:30:11,142
He even made a symbol.
Show him the thing.
537
00:30:21,569 --> 00:30:22,569
What is that? Boobs?
538
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:24,029
It's a B.
539
00:30:24,864 --> 00:30:27,826
- This is a complete rip-off.
- That's what we think.
540
00:30:30,245 --> 00:30:31,245
How's he kill 'em?
541
00:30:31,955 --> 00:30:34,833
He breaks into houses,
ties 'em up, strangles 'em.
542
00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:37,210
Calls himself BTK.
543
00:30:37,293 --> 00:30:38,586
For Bind, Torture, Kill.
544
00:30:39,504 --> 00:30:41,172
David, why did you name yourself?
545
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,758
"I am the Son of Sam.
546
00:30:44,509 --> 00:30:47,220
Go out and kill, commands father Sam."
547
00:30:52,058 --> 00:30:55,103
The press had called me
the ".44 Caliber Killer."
548
00:30:55,770 --> 00:30:58,356
They had this absurd theory
549
00:30:58,439 --> 00:31:00,775
the gun somehow symbolized my penis.
550
00:31:02,235 --> 00:31:04,153
I'm not some crazed sex killer.
551
00:31:05,071 --> 00:31:07,782
I needed a name
that explained who I really was.
552
00:31:08,157 --> 00:31:11,452
That I was being controlled
by a 3,000-year-old demon.
553
00:31:12,537 --> 00:31:14,581
People need to know demons are real.
554
00:31:15,164 --> 00:31:17,834
The Exorcist is based on actual shit.
555
00:31:17,917 --> 00:31:19,043
You saw The Exorcist?
556
00:31:19,919 --> 00:31:20,919
Everyone did.
557
00:31:21,254 --> 00:31:24,382
You read a lot about demons
and exorcisms before the killings?
558
00:31:26,217 --> 00:31:27,218
Maybe.
559
00:31:27,302 --> 00:31:30,430
Let's go to the first attack.
We're fascinated by your mindset...
560
00:31:30,513 --> 00:31:31,598
You're adopted, aren't you?
561
00:31:38,271 --> 00:31:41,774
Yeah. Just before this all started,
562
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,360
I traced my biological mother.
563
00:31:44,444 --> 00:31:46,988
- Found out she never wanted me.
- That must've been hard.
564
00:31:47,697 --> 00:31:50,325
My adoptive mother
told me my real mother died.
565
00:31:50,742 --> 00:31:52,660
That often happens with adopted kids.
566
00:31:55,580 --> 00:31:56,956
Well, I was illegitimate.
567
00:31:57,749 --> 00:31:58,749
They both lied.
568
00:32:00,668 --> 00:32:02,837
That's about when
I started hearing voices.
569
00:32:02,921 --> 00:32:04,130
The "demons."
570
00:32:06,966 --> 00:32:08,927
How do you know when you have a demon?
571
00:32:09,177 --> 00:32:10,177
Are there symptoms?
572
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,724
Possession isn't just
573
00:32:14,807 --> 00:32:16,517
what you see on the outside.
574
00:32:17,518 --> 00:32:19,938
The torment inside is horrible.
575
00:32:20,772 --> 00:32:23,066
Demons are powerful beings.
576
00:32:23,149 --> 00:32:26,569
They use your own voice,
your own thoughts against you.
577
00:32:27,195 --> 00:32:28,738
They make you think you're crazy.
578
00:32:29,238 --> 00:32:32,325
When they get strong enough,
they speak their name out loud.
579
00:32:32,408 --> 00:32:36,204
And once they've done that,
they are in complete control.
580
00:32:36,496 --> 00:32:38,665
So, now you know you've got a demon...
581
00:32:39,707 --> 00:32:40,707
What did you do?
582
00:32:41,793 --> 00:32:44,379
I quit my job
and locked myself in my apartment.
583
00:32:44,879 --> 00:32:47,674
For a month,
I stayed home listening, preparing...
584
00:32:47,757 --> 00:32:49,592
Listening? To what exactly?
585
00:32:52,637 --> 00:32:54,222
My neighbor, Sam, had a dog.
586
00:32:54,305 --> 00:32:56,182
Every night,
587
00:32:56,265 --> 00:32:57,809
this dog would howl.
588
00:32:58,142 --> 00:32:59,936
He would not shut up.
589
00:33:00,353 --> 00:33:02,313
He kept saying he needed blood.
590
00:33:02,397 --> 00:33:03,898
He demanded blood.
591
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:06,526
I had no choice.
592
00:33:06,609 --> 00:33:10,154
That writing on your apartment walls,
what was that about?
593
00:33:14,075 --> 00:33:16,744
Sometimes the voices came
from inside the walls.
594
00:33:17,203 --> 00:33:18,538
So, not from a dog?
595
00:33:19,664 --> 00:33:21,264
I'm just trying to keep it all straight.
596
00:33:22,250 --> 00:33:23,394
They tormented me.
597
00:33:23,418 --> 00:33:25,420
I would tear the walls open
looking for 'em.
598
00:33:25,503 --> 00:33:28,631
Was that about the time you saw
The Exorcist and read your books?
599
00:33:30,216 --> 00:33:32,010
- Around then.
- I'm curious.
600
00:33:32,093 --> 00:33:34,554
You had this history of demonic voices,
601
00:33:34,637 --> 00:33:35,722
psychotic episodes.
602
00:33:36,431 --> 00:33:39,058
Why not plead not guilty
by reason of insanity?
603
00:33:39,142 --> 00:33:42,603
Why plead guilty and never get a trial
where you could explain your demons?
604
00:33:42,687 --> 00:33:44,647
Because I am not insane.
605
00:33:44,897 --> 00:33:47,275
I can't pretend to be insane.
606
00:33:48,192 --> 00:33:51,237
I knew it was wrong,
but they made me do it.
607
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:55,074
Hearing demons is quite possibly
the textbook definition of insanity.
608
00:33:55,158 --> 00:33:57,118
They came to me, not from me.
609
00:33:57,201 --> 00:34:00,121
Sorry to dwell on it,
but it is the part that fascinates people.
610
00:34:00,204 --> 00:34:04,459
You know, two people are writing books.
Your neighbor and some guy
611
00:34:04,542 --> 00:34:06,836
you gave your life rights to
for whatever reason.
612
00:34:06,919 --> 00:34:08,421
I'm in a legal dispute with him.
613
00:34:08,504 --> 00:34:10,256
That book is gonna move like Big Macs.
614
00:34:10,339 --> 00:34:12,675
A guy who talks to dogs, hears demons.
615
00:34:13,968 --> 00:34:15,428
Crazy sells, man.
616
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:19,182
He makes any proceeds off the book, right?
617
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,477
- The guy with your life rights?
- Like I said, it's a legal dispute.
618
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:23,978
I can't discuss the details.
619
00:34:24,062 --> 00:34:25,521
Oh, I bet it is.
620
00:34:26,314 --> 00:34:29,484
The voices don't interfere
with talking to your lawyer, do they?
621
00:34:34,238 --> 00:34:37,575
It's a crock, isn't it?
622
00:34:39,577 --> 00:34:41,412
There's no voices, no demon.
623
00:34:42,789 --> 00:34:43,789
The dog doesn't talk.
624
00:34:45,249 --> 00:34:48,044
You saw a movie,
read some books, and made it all up.
625
00:34:48,127 --> 00:34:49,796
So if everything went to shit...
626
00:34:50,213 --> 00:34:51,213
you'd have a way out.
627
00:34:52,381 --> 00:34:54,061
Do you want to forever be known at the FBI
628
00:34:54,092 --> 00:34:57,212
as the guy who let a Labrador land him
in jail for the rest of his shitty life?
629
00:35:00,139 --> 00:35:03,351
They all bought it, David, didn't they?
630
00:35:05,061 --> 00:35:06,270
Even the shrinks.
631
00:35:13,528 --> 00:35:14,987
Especially the shrinks.
632
00:35:16,656 --> 00:35:18,616
Hell, I believed some of it.
633
00:35:19,992 --> 00:35:21,452
I'm very suggestible.
634
00:35:21,536 --> 00:35:23,204
Did you wanna hear voices?
635
00:35:23,287 --> 00:35:24,789
I kept reading about 'em.
636
00:35:24,872 --> 00:35:26,999
They got kinda tied up
with my fantasies.
637
00:35:27,083 --> 00:35:28,751
What fantasies are those?
638
00:35:28,835 --> 00:35:30,545
Girls. Revenge.
639
00:35:30,628 --> 00:35:32,713
I'm what you call
a "sex-starved daydreamer."
640
00:35:33,965 --> 00:35:35,800
That... That's just me.
That's not clinical.
641
00:35:35,883 --> 00:35:38,803
- When did these fantasies start?
- When I was a teenager.
642
00:35:39,220 --> 00:35:42,223
But even now,
I still spend most of my time fantasizing.
643
00:35:44,767 --> 00:35:47,436
My killings were not sex crimes.
644
00:35:48,062 --> 00:35:49,856
I never wanted to rape anybody.
645
00:35:50,398 --> 00:35:51,691
I just wanted to kill 'em.
646
00:35:52,233 --> 00:35:55,611
Voices helped me justify
what I already wanted to do.
647
00:35:55,695 --> 00:35:57,613
How did you find them? Your victims?
648
00:35:58,239 --> 00:35:59,699
Just started driving.
649
00:35:59,782 --> 00:36:01,659
- Driving?
- All the time.
650
00:36:01,742 --> 00:36:02,660
Lookin' for girls.
651
00:36:02,743 --> 00:36:05,496
So you never picked anyone out in advance
and surveilled them?
652
00:36:05,580 --> 00:36:08,332
No. I never knew who it would be.
653
00:36:08,791 --> 00:36:10,042
Is that what Kansas does?
654
00:36:10,126 --> 00:36:11,669
We think so from his letters.
655
00:36:11,752 --> 00:36:13,462
I just drove and drove.
656
00:36:13,546 --> 00:36:15,131
I'll bet he does too, Kansas.
657
00:36:16,382 --> 00:36:18,176
Gotta have a reliable car.
658
00:36:18,634 --> 00:36:19,760
And I was cunning.
659
00:36:19,844 --> 00:36:21,846
I studied maps, escape routes.
660
00:36:21,929 --> 00:36:24,932
I carried my gun,
a roll of quarters for parking.
661
00:36:26,017 --> 00:36:27,727
You never know
when it might come together.
662
00:36:27,810 --> 00:36:29,746
How did you know
what nights to go hunting?
663
00:36:29,770 --> 00:36:32,190
Did it have anything to do
with lunar cycles?
664
00:36:32,273 --> 00:36:34,150
Fuck no. I hunted every night.
665
00:36:34,233 --> 00:36:35,878
- Every night?
- That's what it takes.
666
00:36:35,902 --> 00:36:36,902
Commitment.
667
00:36:37,236 --> 00:36:38,529
You go out every night,
668
00:36:38,613 --> 00:36:42,617
but... maybe once every few weeks,
you find the right girl
669
00:36:42,700 --> 00:36:44,452
in the right place, at the right time.
670
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:47,079
I never knew what I was lookin' for,
671
00:36:47,997 --> 00:36:49,624
but I knew her when I saw her.
672
00:36:49,707 --> 00:36:51,083
You ever take souvenirs?
673
00:36:51,751 --> 00:36:52,793
Something from the scene?
674
00:36:52,877 --> 00:36:55,630
- Maybe something from one of the girls?
- No, I ran.
675
00:36:57,590 --> 00:36:59,091
The copycat, he takes things?
676
00:36:59,425 --> 00:37:00,259
Yeah.
677
00:37:00,343 --> 00:37:04,263
David, did you ever go back
to any of the crime scenes?
678
00:37:04,972 --> 00:37:05,972
All the time.
679
00:37:06,015 --> 00:37:08,935
Was it because you felt guilt or remorse?
680
00:37:10,269 --> 00:37:11,103
Nah.
681
00:37:11,187 --> 00:37:13,564
If I struck out
or there were too many cops,
682
00:37:13,648 --> 00:37:15,441
I'd go back to where I did a job.
683
00:37:15,524 --> 00:37:16,609
You'd relive it.
684
00:37:18,402 --> 00:37:20,529
Every detail.
685
00:37:22,782 --> 00:37:26,452
Sometimes, I rolled around in the dirt
where they died, just to feel it.
686
00:37:27,787 --> 00:37:28,787
Did you...?
687
00:37:32,166 --> 00:37:34,168
Masturbate?
688
00:37:34,752 --> 00:37:35,753
Oh, yeah.
689
00:37:36,963 --> 00:37:38,506
But not there. At home.
690
00:37:39,173 --> 00:37:43,261
Again, I never fantasized
about sex with violence.
691
00:37:44,637 --> 00:37:46,264
Those two things were always separate.
692
00:37:46,347 --> 00:37:47,431
Of course.
693
00:37:54,146 --> 00:37:57,566
Even if he takes souvenirs, your guy,
694
00:37:58,109 --> 00:38:00,319
I guarantee you he goes back.
695
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:02,488
You can't resist it.
696
00:38:04,115 --> 00:38:05,741
Maybe he just drives by.
697
00:38:07,743 --> 00:38:08,743
Maybe.
698
00:38:12,373 --> 00:38:15,626
His own narcissism forces him
to admit that the demons were fabricated.
699
00:38:15,710 --> 00:38:19,297
The thought of someone else profiting
from his fame was unbearable.
700
00:38:19,380 --> 00:38:20,464
Your instincts were right.
701
00:38:20,548 --> 00:38:23,026
A schizophrenic wouldn't be able
to turn the voices on and off.
702
00:38:23,050 --> 00:38:25,303
Crazed killer or possessed,
what's the difference?
703
00:38:25,386 --> 00:38:27,930
He can't tolerate his image
tarnished by insanity.
704
00:38:28,889 --> 00:38:30,349
The demons make him special.
705
00:38:30,933 --> 00:38:33,185
A warrior battling insurmountable evil.
706
00:38:33,602 --> 00:38:34,812
Crazy's just weak.
707
00:38:34,895 --> 00:38:37,335
You know what's really surprising
is that despite appearances,
708
00:38:37,398 --> 00:38:39,692
his crimes are psycho-sexually motivated.
709
00:38:39,775 --> 00:38:42,695
He kept making the point
that his sexual fantasies were separate
710
00:38:42,778 --> 00:38:43,612
from the violence.
711
00:38:43,696 --> 00:38:45,573
He did not want his gun mistaken
for his penis.
712
00:38:45,656 --> 00:38:46,657
He did choose a .44.
713
00:38:46,741 --> 00:38:49,827
That goes back to public image
conflicting with self-image.
714
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:51,454
Sex offenders are perverts.
715
00:38:51,537 --> 00:38:52,788
He's a tormented genius.
716
00:38:52,872 --> 00:38:55,374
When the media got that wrong,
he corrected the narrative.
717
00:38:55,458 --> 00:38:57,877
So is he getting off on publicity
more than the killings?
718
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:58,794
It's both.
719
00:38:58,878 --> 00:38:59,962
The killings were foreplay,
720
00:39:00,046 --> 00:39:02,381
but he was just as concerned
with how he was perceived.
721
00:39:02,465 --> 00:39:05,134
Naming himself,
communicating with the media.
722
00:39:05,217 --> 00:39:06,594
It all adds up to control.
723
00:39:06,677 --> 00:39:08,846
And Berkowitz can't control
how women treat him
724
00:39:08,929 --> 00:39:10,806
or how he fits into his family.
725
00:39:10,890 --> 00:39:13,184
So he creates this monstrous persona,
726
00:39:13,267 --> 00:39:16,187
but really he's just a dumpy,
awkward mailman.
727
00:39:16,270 --> 00:39:20,024
If we go by what Berkowitz said,
BTK trolls every night.
728
00:39:20,107 --> 00:39:23,110
No one could hold down a real job,
have a family,
729
00:39:23,194 --> 00:39:26,655
hunt, visit their crime scenes.
He's got a menial job at best.
730
00:39:26,739 --> 00:39:28,949
- And no real relationships.
- Certainly not with women.
731
00:39:29,033 --> 00:39:30,117
Based on Berkowitz,
732
00:39:30,201 --> 00:39:32,703
we're gonna have to open up
an entire new category.
733
00:39:32,787 --> 00:39:35,599
We've been looking at whether killers
follow their stories in the media,
734
00:39:35,623 --> 00:39:36,749
like Kemper did.
735
00:39:36,832 --> 00:39:40,586
But now we have to consider how they use
the media to create their own mythologies.
736
00:39:40,669 --> 00:39:42,129
So Berkowitz, what is he?
737
00:39:44,131 --> 00:39:47,551
He's not schizophrenic.
Does virtually no preplanning.
738
00:39:47,635 --> 00:39:50,596
Has an absurd supernatural explanation
if caught.
739
00:39:50,679 --> 00:39:53,057
And there are definite sexual components
to his crimes.
740
00:39:53,140 --> 00:39:54,600
Organized or disorganized?
741
00:39:54,683 --> 00:39:56,964
Does he get a promotion
now that he's not talkin' to dogs?
742
00:39:57,186 --> 00:40:00,147
Overall, I'd say
he's more organized than not.
743
00:40:01,399 --> 00:40:02,399
Who'd have thunk?
744
00:40:12,785 --> 00:40:13,785
Hey, Bill.
745
00:40:15,204 --> 00:40:16,204
How was he?
746
00:40:17,081 --> 00:40:18,582
A little stiff at first.
747
00:40:18,666 --> 00:40:20,960
But then back to his old cocksure self.
748
00:40:21,043 --> 00:40:24,713
- You read it.
- Hmm. Still think we need to be cautious.
749
00:40:25,214 --> 00:40:26,257
I think he's back.
750
00:40:31,512 --> 00:40:32,346
Good night.
751
00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:33,430
Good night.
752
00:41:13,804 --> 00:41:16,599
Good evening. Uh, is Nancy Tench home?
753
00:41:17,433 --> 00:41:18,767
I'm her husband. Can I help you?
754
00:41:18,851 --> 00:41:21,103
I'm Detective Spencer
with Fredericksburg PD.
755
00:41:21,187 --> 00:41:22,354
Special Agent Tench.
756
00:41:22,438 --> 00:41:23,481
FBI.
757
00:41:23,772 --> 00:41:24,940
What can I do for ya?
758
00:41:25,232 --> 00:41:27,776
I'm so sorry.
Detective Art Spencer.
759
00:41:28,611 --> 00:41:32,448
Mrs. Tench, are you the Realtor
for 1159 Cimmaron Court?
760
00:41:32,531 --> 00:41:33,449
Yes.
761
00:41:33,532 --> 00:41:36,702
You need to know that the residence is,
unfortunately, a crime scene.
762
00:41:36,785 --> 00:41:39,914
- What? Has there been a break-in?
- No, there's been a...
763
00:41:41,665 --> 00:41:43,375
body found in the garage.
764
00:41:44,877 --> 00:41:46,170
Oh, my God.
765
00:41:46,712 --> 00:41:48,714
We're investigating it as a homicide.
766
00:41:49,048 --> 00:41:51,258
Um... I'm afraid I can't disclose...
767
00:41:53,260 --> 00:41:55,429
Forgive me.
768
00:41:56,472 --> 00:41:57,348
May I come in?
769
00:41:57,431 --> 00:41:58,431
Of course.
770
00:41:59,850 --> 00:42:02,436
- Can I get you some water, anything?
- No, thank you.
771
00:42:02,645 --> 00:42:04,855
I've just come from notifying next of kin.
772
00:42:04,939 --> 00:42:06,565
- That is rough.
- Oh, my God.
773
00:42:06,815 --> 00:42:08,275
I'm sorry, how can we help?
774
00:42:09,068 --> 00:42:10,819
I need to ask a few questions.
775
00:42:10,903 --> 00:42:15,157
Ma'am, who has access to
or has recently entered the premises?
776
00:42:15,824 --> 00:42:18,619
Um, just me and the owner.
I've only shown it twice.
777
00:42:18,702 --> 00:42:20,942
There's a lockbox.
The combination is the street address.
778
00:42:20,996 --> 00:42:22,540
I know that's not very secure.
779
00:42:22,623 --> 00:42:25,417
Is it possible any of the doors
may have been left open by mistake?
780
00:42:25,501 --> 00:42:27,419
No, I'm always so careful.
781
00:42:27,503 --> 00:42:29,505
What about the yard?
Do you have a regular crew?
782
00:42:29,588 --> 00:42:32,049
That's supposed to be me,
but I'm afraid I never got there.
783
00:42:32,841 --> 00:42:35,403
I'll need to get the names of anyone
that you've taken through the house.
784
00:42:35,427 --> 00:42:37,012
Of course. Um...
785
00:42:37,846 --> 00:42:38,973
Please, sit down.
786
00:42:48,023 --> 00:42:50,067
This one's got me a little shook up,
Agent Tench.
787
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:51,735
Bill. I get it.
788
00:42:51,819 --> 00:42:54,280
I work in a special homicide unit myself.
789
00:42:55,114 --> 00:42:57,241
I've seen plenty of things
that kept me up at night.
790
00:42:58,367 --> 00:42:59,493
Anything you wanna share?
791
00:42:59,577 --> 00:43:01,704
I really shouldn't discuss
the particulars.
792
00:43:01,787 --> 00:43:02,787
Understood.
793
00:43:02,830 --> 00:43:04,456
I didn't wanna scare
your wife,
794
00:43:04,540 --> 00:43:07,876
but I do need to get her shoes
from when she was last in the garage.
795
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,546
We have a lot of latent evidence,
and we need to eliminate her.
796
00:43:10,629 --> 00:43:12,881
Absolutely.
Can I drop 'em by in the morning?
797
00:43:12,965 --> 00:43:14,049
We'll be there.
798
00:43:14,133 --> 00:43:16,693
Here are their names and numbers.
They all seemed perfectly nice.
799
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,947
Thank you, ma'am.
I'll let you know as soon as we're out.
800
00:43:18,971 --> 00:43:20,740
I'm so sorry to have barged in
on your evening.
801
00:43:20,764 --> 00:43:23,017
Not a problem.
Let me know if I can do anything.
802
00:43:29,690 --> 00:43:30,524
Wow.
803
00:43:30,608 --> 00:43:31,608
He was rattled.
804
00:43:31,650 --> 00:43:33,402
I can't imagine.
805
00:43:33,485 --> 00:43:35,112
It's... awful.
806
00:43:35,195 --> 00:43:37,990
That just doesn't happen around here.
807
00:43:38,407 --> 00:43:39,867
It happens everywhere, Nance.
808
00:43:48,959 --> 00:43:53,714
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If he's gonna stay? ♪
809
00:43:54,089 --> 00:43:59,219
♪ Why don't you ask him
If he's goin' away? ♪
810
00:43:59,303 --> 00:44:02,431
♪ Hey ♪
811
00:44:10,064 --> 00:44:14,985
♪ Why don't you tell me what's goin' on? ♪
812
00:44:15,319 --> 00:44:17,613
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813
00:44:18,113 --> 00:44:22,576
♪ Who's on the phone? Oh, oh, oh! ♪
814
00:44:41,970 --> 00:44:47,017
♪ Why don't you ask him what's goin' on? ♪
815
00:44:47,309 --> 00:44:49,728
♪ Why don't you ask him ♪
816
00:44:49,812 --> 00:44:55,859
♪ Who's the latest on his throne? ♪
817
00:44:56,902 --> 00:44:59,905
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- ♪ Ah-ee! ♪
818
00:45:07,538 --> 00:45:10,457
- ♪ Just tell me that you want me ♪
- ♪ Ah-ee! ♪
819
00:45:10,541 --> 00:45:11,541
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820
00:45:15,879 --> 00:45:16,879
♪ Tusk! ♪
821
00:45:18,257 --> 00:45:21,260
- ♪ Just say that you want me ♪
- ♪ Ah-ee! ♪
822
00:45:28,809 --> 00:45:30,144
♪ Don't tell me that you... ♪
823
00:45:40,237 --> 00:45:42,948
♪ Tusk! ♪
824
00:45:43,282 --> 00:45:48,620
Real savage-like!
825
00:46:06,138 --> 00:46:07,222
♪ Tusk! ♪
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