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How ya doin', Bobby Taylor?
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If I ever turned you down seven
times for lewd proposals,
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I haven't turned you down once.
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- Well...
- If I were you, Holly,
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I'd have taken this man
in and had him neutered!
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Oh, and, Holly, honey...
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- Night.
- Thank you.
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Or Max's Liquor Store is gonna
come and take your home
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for the booze bill.
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And Mr. Kirby Baker,
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our fine real estate executive.
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Baker Realty.
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Honesty.
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Honesty since 1938.
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Your secretary,
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poor little Gladys Wilmett,
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she had to leave town awful sudden.
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Had to see a special kind
of doctor in Cincinnati.
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I know, I know the
nights are just so warm
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that poor Willie May just had to
leave her shades open an inch.
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Detective Drowatzky?
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Bill Tench.
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Bernie. My kids say I look like a cop.
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Don't we all?
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I'm this way.
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Where do you stand on active leads?
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Nobody.
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Or everybody.
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But every time we get a
letter, we get a new detail.
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Right now, we're tryin' to trace
the Xerox machine he uses
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by signature marks on the paper
edge and... ink diffusion.
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Sophisticated work.
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I got 20-year street cops who know more
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about toner than the copy guy.
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Could be us spinning our wheels again.
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When we get to the station,
you can see the letters.
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Any of the crime scenes accessible?
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All of 'em. They're still vacant.
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But we've combed through them
pretty good over the years.
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It really helps to put
the photos in context.
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If you don't mind.
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Might as well start at
the beginning. Otero.
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Bit of a drive.
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I hope you don't mind a
little Willie Nelson.
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Not at all.
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♪ Angel flyin' too close ♪
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♪ To the ground ♪
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803 North Edgemoor.
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The Otero house.
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January 1974. They'd just
moved in two months prior.
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It was a school day.
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Neighbors were comin'
and goin' all morning.
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One of 'em even saw BTK drive off
in the family car afterwards.
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Women around here come home,
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first thing they do is check
the phone still works...
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five years later.
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We think he came in here. The
two kids making their lunches.
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The older three had
already gone to school.
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They had five kids in this house?
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Retired military.
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Used to base housing.
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No forced entry. The dog was
in the yard when we got here.
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It makes no sense to come into a
house with an adult male and a dog.
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Nothing makes sense.
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He took the money out
of Mr. Otero's wallet,
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emptied her purse, and stole
Mr. Otero's aviator's watch.
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But clearly, robbery was not his motive.
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And the driver's licenses were missing.
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- Yeah.
- He was taking souvenirs.
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And he already knew what he
wanted on his very first kill.
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So the dad would've been about
here, tied to the foot of the bed.
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Police report said he was suffocated
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with a plastic bag and a T-shirt?
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Later, we found there was a hole in it.
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Mr. Otero managed to
rip it with his teeth.
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The killer took the plastic bag off,
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put the T-shirt on over his head
so he couldn't tear it again,
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and then put the bag back on.
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Agonizing.
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And Mrs. Otero was on the bed.
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She had double ligature marks.
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Must have come to, so
he had to do it again.
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We think that since it was his
first try, he botched it.
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The kids must've been in here.
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They had to have seen everything.
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We found the youngest boy on the floor,
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suffocated.
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Two T-shirts and a bag.
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So, the killer learned, took no chances.
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He would've brought the
little girl in here too.
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Couldn't leave her alone.
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There was a chair here with
deep carpet indentations.
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We think he sat to watch the boy die.
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That would have taken... ?
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Between four and six minutes.
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My partner and I were
first on the scene.
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It was completely dark down here.
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He was feeling for a light
when something bumped him.
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That's when we found the little girl...
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hanging from this pipe.
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Oh, Jesus.
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What happened to the older Otero kids?
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Any chance I could talk to them?
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Relatives in Albuquerque
came and got 'em.
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They won't let the kids
relive any part of it.
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They were the ones who found the bodies.
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Cut the ropes
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from their parents' necks,
tryin' to save 'em.
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They call now and again.
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Five years later...
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I got nothin'.
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♪ I love a rainy night... ♪
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We kept thinkin' we'd catch him...
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just around the corner.
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That first week after Otero,
not one of us went home.
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We turned over every
parolee, every sex offender.
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My partner and I even stayed
over the first three nights.
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In the house?
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Hoping the killer would come back.
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- See anything?
- Nothin'.
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A month later, we stayed
the night in there again.
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With a psychic.
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You consulted Uri Geller before the FBI?
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We were graspin' at anything.
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That poor guy got so freaked out.
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He was gone the second the sun came up.
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So, is that true?
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Do these guys return to
the scene of the crime?
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We were just going on
what we'd always heard.
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Old detective stories.
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The psychopath feels
guilty or somethin'.
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Ed Kemper, the Coed Killer...
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Yeah?
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He told us he went back.
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But not out of anything like guilt.
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He considered those places
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somehow sacred,
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if you can imagine that.
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Truthfully, we haven't
been asking that question,
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but we probably should.
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Tell me about his letters. They
were all sent to the press?
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Cops actually got spooked.
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We wondered: did he know
who was workin' the case?
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Would he come after us? Our wives?
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I had this one sergeant.
Ten-year guy, tough.
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Slept on his sofa with
a shotgun for a year.
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Finally, he and his wife relocated.
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We've lost a lot of the original
task force over the years.
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- I bet.
- It's hard on guys.
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What about the lady he missed?
Could I speak with her?
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Anna? She moved the next day.
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Left everything behind.
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- Furniture, everything.
- He's clearing out the town.
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He's got the whole city
twitchin' like prey.
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Kathy Bright's brother,
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- he's still around.
- He's around.
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We think that's why BTK never
named her as a victim.
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He knew he left a witness.
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If he hadn't claimed seven, we
would never have connected her.
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MO's wrong. She was
stabbed, Kevin was shot.
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But the son of a bitch wants
credit for every single one.
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I'd like to talk to Kevin.
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He took three bullets in the face.
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- Spent a year in the hospital.
- Is he... reliable?
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- He's all we got.
- ♪ Yeah, I love a rainy night ♪
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You know, I've done
undercover drug deals
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with less skullduggery than this.
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He doesn't wanna be
seen talkin' to cops.
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The safer he feels, the
longer he'll stay.
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Kevin has good days and bad days.
I'm hopin' this one's good.
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- That loaded?
- Always.
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Don't worry, Kevin wouldn't hurt a fly.
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Jesus improve your aim?
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I'm a woodworker. If
I'm pullin' a shotgun,
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it's 'cause I'm in a situation
where aiming is not an option.
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At that point, I'll take
all the help I can get.
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- This our guy?
- That's him.
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Can't be a buck-forty soppin' wet.
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He's lost a lot of weight. Nerve
damage from the shooting.
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Remember to face forward.
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Hey, Kevin. How you doing?
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Could you, uh, please turn the mirror?
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I'm, uh... doin' all right...
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I guess.
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This is Agent Tench. I'm gonna
let him ask his questions.
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I don't know what else I can tell you.
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Thank you for coming, Kevin.
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What I'd like to do is
ask you some questions,
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some of which you've heard
before. Some may be new.
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I'll listen to your story,
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but I'm gonna focus on
the suspect's behavior.
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I'm gonna ask you to go
into a lot of detail.
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Everything is important.
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All right.
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On that Thursday, your sister
left her car in the driveway,
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is that right?
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We were in Dad's truck. I
was bringin' her home.
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As you approached the house,
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did you notice anything
different or strange?
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No, sir.
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Kathy and me were just laughing,
talkin' when we walked in.
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Then he came out.
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Was he aggressive?
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Did he seem angry? Jumpy?
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Just... real matter-of-fact.
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But... like he could be mean underneath.
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What do you remember of his
clothes, how he was dressed?
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I... gave a description.
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Black... golf gloves, green jacket.
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But how did they seem to you?
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Clean, dirty, cheap?
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Didn't seem cheap.
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The jacket was bulky.
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Nice.
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Everything was clean.
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A lot of pockets.
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Did he say anything else?
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He said he was a wanted man.
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He said,
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"I'm wanted in California,
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and I need to get to New York."
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Were you afraid,
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or did you think he was
telling you the truth?
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I figured it was just a robbery.
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I gave him the truck keys.
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I thought he had what
he wanted, so he'd go.
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But he didn't.
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Did he force you to tie Kathy up?
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Didn't... force.
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- Just told me.
- Told you how?
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Real simple.
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He made everything sound... reasonable.
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Like if we just did this,
he was gonna leave.
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Where did he get the
cord he tied you with?
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From his pockets.
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I tied Kathy pretty loose.
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He made me lie down, and he
tied my hands behind my back.
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He tied my feet to the bed.
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And what was he like when he tied you?
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Was he... nervous, flustered?
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Uh... not at all.
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I watched him tie my feet.
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He was fast with knots.
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- Like he'd done it before.
- Mm-hmm.
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Was he rough? Angry?
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Did he tie you tight?
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He was almost... gentle.
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Gentle?
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It seemed.
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He took a pillow from the bed
and put it under my head.
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That's interesting.
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I want to come back to
that, but please continue.
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He took Kathy into the other room.
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I... couldn't tell what was going on.
256
00:13:55,335 --> 00:13:57,295
Then I heard noises.
257
00:13:57,378 --> 00:13:58,798
What kind of noises?
258
00:14:01,090 --> 00:14:03,720
Not... moans,
259
00:14:05,053 --> 00:14:07,013
almost little cries.
260
00:14:09,557 --> 00:14:11,477
Then it got real quiet.
261
00:14:14,812 --> 00:14:16,562
And I couldn't hear him anymore.
262
00:14:19,692 --> 00:14:23,202
All of a sudden, a radio
came on in my room, loud.
263
00:14:23,488 --> 00:14:26,568
And he put something around my
neck, and he started pulling.
264
00:14:26,783 --> 00:14:27,953
It was so fast.
265
00:14:28,034 --> 00:14:29,414
What did you do?
266
00:14:29,494 --> 00:14:31,874
I just started kicking and twisting.
267
00:14:32,580 --> 00:14:34,830
I... I knew right then,
he was gonna kill me.
268
00:14:35,041 --> 00:14:37,541
When he was strangling
you, did he say anything?
269
00:14:38,586 --> 00:14:39,956
Uh... no.
270
00:14:42,548 --> 00:14:44,088
Kevin, this is important.
271
00:14:44,675 --> 00:14:48,425
At any time, when he was tying you
up or when he was strangling you,
272
00:14:48,930 --> 00:14:51,470
could you tell if he had an erection?
273
00:14:51,849 --> 00:14:54,939
Uh...
274
00:14:55,895 --> 00:14:57,015
I don't know.
275
00:14:57,313 --> 00:14:59,483
I... I couldn't see.
276
00:14:59,565 --> 00:15:00,565
That's all right.
277
00:15:00,983 --> 00:15:01,983
How'd you get away?
278
00:15:02,485 --> 00:15:05,945
I was thrashing around so
much, my feet broke loose.
279
00:15:06,197 --> 00:15:08,617
I stood up. I got my hands free.
280
00:15:09,450 --> 00:15:11,910
I saw him go for the gun.
281
00:15:11,994 --> 00:15:13,084
I grabbed at it.
282
00:15:13,538 --> 00:15:14,578
We fought for it.
283
00:15:15,665 --> 00:15:17,745
I got it turned.
284
00:15:18,793 --> 00:15:23,013
I had it right at his stomach.
I... I pulled the trigger twice,
285
00:15:23,089 --> 00:15:24,719
as hard as I could, but
it wouldn't go off.
286
00:15:24,799 --> 00:15:26,009
He'd have had the safety on.
287
00:15:26,092 --> 00:15:28,052
Everything would be different
if I had only shot him.
288
00:15:28,136 --> 00:15:30,006
There's no way you could've
gotten the safety off
289
00:15:30,096 --> 00:15:32,216
and shot him with him
pulling on the gun.
290
00:15:32,432 --> 00:15:34,142
I guess it slipped out of my hands
291
00:15:34,225 --> 00:15:37,055
'cause he had it, and
he pulled the trigger.
292
00:15:37,562 --> 00:15:39,482
First bullet grazed my face.
293
00:15:39,856 --> 00:15:42,856
The second one went in
the side of my head.
294
00:15:43,443 --> 00:15:46,363
That's when I... hit the floor.
295
00:15:46,696 --> 00:15:48,776
- Did you pass out?
- Uh-uh.
296
00:15:50,908 --> 00:15:51,908
I never did.
297
00:15:53,494 --> 00:15:55,504
I was awake the whole time.
298
00:15:57,498 --> 00:15:59,128
I decided to play dead.
299
00:15:59,542 --> 00:16:03,092
- What did you hear next?
- Kathy... moan.
300
00:16:04,589 --> 00:16:06,089
I heard him grunting.
301
00:16:06,799 --> 00:16:09,259
And I was in there playing possum.
302
00:16:09,343 --> 00:16:10,473
It's okay, Kevin.
303
00:16:14,098 --> 00:16:18,098
He must have heard me move
because he was on me again.
304
00:16:18,186 --> 00:16:20,726
He shot me. Blew my teeth out.
305
00:16:20,813 --> 00:16:23,823
Then he went back to Kathy.
306
00:16:25,860 --> 00:16:27,740
I... could barely stand.
307
00:16:28,613 --> 00:16:30,743
The radio was so loud.
308
00:16:30,823 --> 00:16:32,373
There was blood everywhere.
309
00:16:32,909 --> 00:16:35,449
I looked around, you know, for
something to hit him with,
310
00:16:35,536 --> 00:16:37,326
but I thought...
311
00:16:37,872 --> 00:16:41,292
... the best chance was to get help.
312
00:16:41,709 --> 00:16:42,749
So you ran.
313
00:16:43,294 --> 00:16:45,674
Uh-huh.
314
00:16:46,422 --> 00:16:48,672
- Yeah.
- It's the best thing you coulda done.
315
00:16:48,758 --> 00:16:50,508
I coulda gone back in there!
316
00:16:50,593 --> 00:16:52,013
We would've lost you both.
317
00:16:56,974 --> 00:16:57,984
Kevin, thank you.
318
00:16:58,768 --> 00:17:01,808
If you think of anything
else, any detail...
319
00:17:01,896 --> 00:17:02,896
No.
320
00:17:03,731 --> 00:17:06,031
Um... He wore a watch.
321
00:17:06,984 --> 00:17:10,994
Yeah, a... a big, steel, military kind.
322
00:17:22,124 --> 00:17:24,004
Was it at all similar to this one?
323
00:17:28,005 --> 00:17:29,125
It looked like that.
324
00:17:30,007 --> 00:17:31,337
Joseph Otero's watch.
325
00:17:31,425 --> 00:17:34,135
That's that family, right?
It's him, isn't it?
326
00:17:34,170 --> 00:17:36,840
- BTK.
- He bragged about a fifth victim,
327
00:17:36,870 --> 00:17:38,160
but he never named her.
328
00:17:38,391 --> 00:17:39,481
We think it was Kathy.
329
00:17:39,559 --> 00:17:41,939
I told you, he'd done this before.
330
00:17:42,019 --> 00:17:43,479
He knew what he was doing!
331
00:17:43,563 --> 00:17:45,693
I... I don't have brain
damage like they say.
332
00:17:45,773 --> 00:17:47,483
- I just get tired!
- We believe you.
333
00:17:47,900 --> 00:17:50,490
- And we'll catch him.
- I can't wait for that.
334
00:17:50,570 --> 00:17:52,410
- What do you mean?
- I saw his face!
335
00:17:52,488 --> 00:17:53,778
He knows I'm out here.
336
00:17:53,864 --> 00:17:55,050
Every time I walk into a store,
337
00:17:55,082 --> 00:17:56,624
every time somebody walks into a room.
338
00:17:56,701 --> 00:17:59,001
- Even at church.
- This guy does not go to church.
339
00:17:59,078 --> 00:18:01,278
- Where are you gonna go, Kevin?
- Just... away.
340
00:18:11,132 --> 00:18:12,552
Can't say that I blame him.
341
00:19:41,597 --> 00:19:42,677
Nance?
342
00:19:43,307 --> 00:19:44,927
- Uh, what's wrong?
- Nothing.
343
00:19:45,017 --> 00:19:46,017
It's okay.
344
00:19:46,644 --> 00:19:48,734
Honey, did you leave the back door open?
345
00:19:49,438 --> 00:19:51,478
I was taking out the trash.
Brian couldn't sleep.
346
00:19:51,565 --> 00:19:52,935
Are you... Are you coming to bed?
347
00:19:53,526 --> 00:19:55,356
- I'll be in soon.
- All right.
348
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,270
Wendy's almost ready to meet
for those Georgia interviews.
349
00:20:25,474 --> 00:20:26,604
Right.
350
00:20:32,231 --> 00:20:34,231
- BTK.
- He's a new animal.
351
00:20:34,316 --> 00:20:37,146
- Lots of interesting contradictions.
- You mind?
352
00:20:43,450 --> 00:20:45,100
He brought the little
girl to the basement
353
00:20:45,130 --> 00:20:47,621
and constructed a ritualized execution.
354
00:20:48,456 --> 00:20:49,616
That took time.
355
00:20:51,167 --> 00:20:52,667
This was a big risk.
356
00:20:53,252 --> 00:20:54,882
Her scene is the only
one with semen present.
357
00:20:54,962 --> 00:20:56,512
She was clearly his primary interest.
358
00:20:56,589 --> 00:20:59,049
The rest of the family
is just... collateral.
359
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,680
He only expected the mother and
youngest daughter to be home.
360
00:21:03,179 --> 00:21:04,179
But he learns.
361
00:21:04,597 --> 00:21:06,597
After the Oteros, all of
his victims are women.
362
00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:07,700
None of the men were at home,
363
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:09,642
except for your witness,
Bright's brother.
364
00:21:09,727 --> 00:21:10,847
Kevin wasn't expected either.
365
00:21:10,936 --> 00:21:14,186
So BTK changes his MO, and
that's why he stabs the sister.
366
00:21:14,940 --> 00:21:17,820
What's amazing is even
though he was surprised
367
00:21:17,902 --> 00:21:19,902
during the Bright and Otero murders,
368
00:21:21,822 --> 00:21:24,582
he somehow manages to
overcome his own panic.
369
00:21:24,658 --> 00:21:26,038
Imagine the adrenaline.
370
00:21:26,118 --> 00:21:29,458
You've planned for a petite woman
and an eleven-year-old girl.
371
00:21:29,538 --> 00:21:31,328
And all of a sudden,
you got a barking dog,
372
00:21:31,415 --> 00:21:33,995
another child, and a
retired master sergeant.
373
00:21:34,460 --> 00:21:36,920
But he didn't run. He took his time.
374
00:21:37,755 --> 00:21:39,335
Maybe Otero wasn't his first.
375
00:21:39,423 --> 00:21:41,553
Too many rookie mistakes.
It was his first.
376
00:21:41,634 --> 00:21:44,604
But I also think that he was
exceptionally prepared.
377
00:21:44,620 --> 00:21:45,629
He practiced?
378
00:21:45,630 --> 00:21:48,266
Remember Kemper practiced
on dolls, animals.
379
00:21:48,766 --> 00:21:50,096
He spent years fantasizing,
380
00:21:50,184 --> 00:21:52,194
so he knew exactly how
he was going to do it
381
00:21:52,269 --> 00:21:53,559
when the time came.
382
00:21:53,646 --> 00:21:55,476
There's no way our guy
doesn't have a rap sheet.
383
00:21:55,564 --> 00:21:56,580
Animal abuse,
384
00:21:56,607 --> 00:21:59,147
maybe peeping neighborhood
girls, assaulting prostitutes.
385
00:21:59,235 --> 00:22:00,735
So what have we got so far?
386
00:22:00,861 --> 00:22:03,241
White male, late 20s to early 30s,
387
00:22:03,322 --> 00:22:05,662
rap sheet, possible assault complaints.
388
00:22:05,741 --> 00:22:07,031
High school education at best.
389
00:22:07,117 --> 00:22:09,117
Has difficulty holding
more than a menial job.
390
00:22:09,203 --> 00:22:12,123
Kevin said he smelled "clean."
His clothes were nice.
391
00:22:12,206 --> 00:22:13,866
He wasn't angry or harsh.
392
00:22:13,958 --> 00:22:17,378
He sounds almost as ordinary and
suburban as the victim pool.
393
00:22:17,461 --> 00:22:20,131
Everyone we've interviewed is
a product of a difficult home
394
00:22:20,214 --> 00:22:21,554
and a string of adult failures.
395
00:22:21,632 --> 00:22:23,682
- Hmm.
- They're all emotionally scarred.
396
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:25,680
The only one who managed
to keep a job was Brudos,
397
00:22:25,700 --> 00:22:27,099
and he was blue-collar.
398
00:22:27,179 --> 00:22:28,389
What about his letters
399
00:22:28,472 --> 00:22:30,312
that he writes to the newspaper?
400
00:22:32,810 --> 00:22:34,650
He's equating himself
with famous killers.
401
00:22:35,521 --> 00:22:38,271
"Son of Sam," "Jack the Ripper,"
"Ted of the West Coast."
402
00:22:38,357 --> 00:22:40,067
That's gotta be Bundy. Who's Glatman?
403
00:22:40,150 --> 00:22:42,780
Harvey. Famous for binding and
strangling women in the '50s.
404
00:22:42,862 --> 00:22:45,112
- Of course you know that.
- He's studying them.
405
00:22:45,197 --> 00:22:46,947
Modeling himself after them.
406
00:22:47,032 --> 00:22:48,050
Look at this page.
407
00:22:48,242 --> 00:22:50,372
He actually gives
himself possible names.
408
00:22:50,911 --> 00:22:52,041
"I like the following.
409
00:22:52,288 --> 00:22:53,300
How about you?
410
00:22:53,330 --> 00:22:55,500
'The BTK Strangler,'
411
00:22:55,583 --> 00:22:59,003
'Wichita Strangler,'
'Wichita Executioner.'"
412
00:22:59,086 --> 00:23:01,166
He's christening himself for the media.
413
00:23:01,255 --> 00:23:04,545
Like Zodiac, or Berkowitz
naming himself "Son of Sam."
414
00:23:04,633 --> 00:23:08,183
Berkowitz also courted the press.
He wrote directly to Jimmy Breslin.
415
00:23:08,554 --> 00:23:11,224
Berkowitz also gave himself
a symbol with initials.
416
00:23:11,307 --> 00:23:13,347
He used it on every letter he wrote.
417
00:23:13,434 --> 00:23:14,434
Right.
418
00:23:15,102 --> 00:23:16,192
It had a cross on the top.
419
00:23:18,272 --> 00:23:19,272
Like this.
420
00:23:20,816 --> 00:23:21,896
Look at our guy.
421
00:23:27,740 --> 00:23:29,410
We have to talk to the chubby behemoth.
422
00:23:30,159 --> 00:23:33,039
This is what we're doing now?
Rearranging our interviews
423
00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:34,580
to service investigations?
424
00:23:34,663 --> 00:23:36,543
Because all of our
subjects are important.
425
00:23:36,624 --> 00:23:38,504
Berkowitz has been on the
list since the beginning.
426
00:23:38,584 --> 00:23:41,754
Maybe, but we need to discuss
where he fits into our analysis.
427
00:23:42,421 --> 00:23:44,171
I mean, he's a diagnosed schizophrenic.
428
00:23:44,256 --> 00:23:45,336
So was Kemper as a juvenile.
429
00:23:45,424 --> 00:23:48,594
We need to at least consider that
Berkowitz is a blitz killer.
430
00:23:49,136 --> 00:23:52,676
He exhibits none of Kemper or
Brudos' psycho-sexual motivations.
431
00:23:52,765 --> 00:23:54,570
By his own account,
he walked up to cars,
432
00:23:54,590 --> 00:23:55,975
fired five shots, and then ran.
433
00:23:56,060 --> 00:23:58,020
I can't see how anything
lasting 19 seconds
434
00:23:58,103 --> 00:24:00,023
could allow for sexual gratification.
435
00:24:00,105 --> 00:24:04,435
Well, we know BTK is
inspired by Berkowitz.
436
00:24:04,985 --> 00:24:07,735
And we know BTK kills
for sexual fulfillment.
437
00:24:08,197 --> 00:24:10,237
And he's active. Seven so far.
438
00:24:10,324 --> 00:24:11,494
And he's hunting again.
439
00:24:12,034 --> 00:24:14,044
Either of these Georgia
boys up for the chair?
440
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:15,909
- Hance is on death row.
- On appeal.
441
00:24:15,996 --> 00:24:17,956
Plenty of time. We'll
push them off a week.
442
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,460
I'll put together the research. Gregg,
443
00:24:19,541 --> 00:24:21,041
- can you change the flights?
- Sure.
444
00:24:31,971 --> 00:24:33,131
This is what we're doin' now.
445
00:24:35,724 --> 00:24:36,734
What?
446
00:24:40,771 --> 00:24:42,691
This doesn't seem like your scene.
447
00:24:43,107 --> 00:24:44,317
Holden brought me here.
448
00:24:44,525 --> 00:24:46,275
Doesn't seem like Holden's scene.
449
00:24:47,778 --> 00:24:49,568
Look, I won't usually
betray a confidence,
450
00:24:50,364 --> 00:24:53,084
but when Holden disappeared
those two days,
451
00:24:53,450 --> 00:24:54,870
he went to see Kemper.
452
00:24:54,952 --> 00:24:57,292
Now, whatever happened during
that visit precipitated...
453
00:24:57,371 --> 00:24:58,380
Panic attacks.
454
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,618
- You knew?
- I had to retrieve his ass.
455
00:25:01,166 --> 00:25:03,836
I'm really sorry I didn't tell you.
I thought the last thing we need
456
00:25:03,919 --> 00:25:05,919
is for Holden to have everyone
walking on eggshells around here.
457
00:25:06,005 --> 00:25:07,835
Quite frankly, Bill, this
demands our attention.
458
00:25:07,923 --> 00:25:11,393
He had an episode. Even the doctor
said it feels worse than it is.
459
00:25:11,468 --> 00:25:13,678
Panic attacks may not be
brought on by anything real,
460
00:25:13,762 --> 00:25:15,142
but their effects are very real.
461
00:25:15,597 --> 00:25:17,677
Whether you think Holden
deserves your sympathy or not,
462
00:25:17,766 --> 00:25:19,766
this could have serious
consequences for us
463
00:25:19,852 --> 00:25:22,652
and very real physiological
consequences for him.
464
00:25:22,730 --> 00:25:23,730
You're right.
465
00:25:24,648 --> 00:25:26,278
- Does Gunn know about this?
- No.
466
00:25:26,525 --> 00:25:29,855
He's based his vision and his
largesse on the Holden Ford miracle.
467
00:25:29,945 --> 00:25:32,025
I couldn't tell him Boy
Wonder has the vapors.
468
00:25:32,114 --> 00:25:34,624
- We might not be worth salvaging...
- With this Berkowitz interview,
469
00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:36,450
you have got to take the lead.
470
00:25:36,535 --> 00:25:38,405
He's gonna be walking in
there in a heightened state,
471
00:25:38,490 --> 00:25:40,140
knowing that he's got
one shot at the killer
472
00:25:40,170 --> 00:25:41,340
on the cover of Newsweek.
473
00:25:41,700 --> 00:25:43,140
He'll be anxious, vulnerable,
474
00:25:43,170 --> 00:25:44,667
and that could prime him for an episode.
475
00:25:44,752 --> 00:25:46,842
The last time he was in the
room with a serial killer,
476
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,420
he ended up chained to a hospital bed.
477
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:49,940
- What do I do?
- Be observant.
478
00:25:49,965 --> 00:25:51,580
Apart from the obvious physical cues,
479
00:25:51,626 --> 00:25:53,255
an attack can manifest dozens of ways.
480
00:25:53,343 --> 00:25:56,143
So if he seems manic or
overly nervous, fragile...
481
00:25:56,221 --> 00:25:57,500
Should I carry smelling salts?
482
00:25:57,510 --> 00:25:58,520
It's not a joke.
483
00:25:58,557 --> 00:26:01,137
If you see one hint, you
get him out of there.
484
00:26:01,220 --> 00:26:02,940
Whatever you feel about Holden's health,
485
00:26:02,970 --> 00:26:04,646
if he blows this with Berkowitz,
486
00:26:04,730 --> 00:26:06,480
Gunn will rethink his investment.
487
00:26:07,024 --> 00:26:09,904
And from now on, there needs
to be transparency between us.
488
00:26:09,985 --> 00:26:12,195
Whatever is going on with
him, we both know about it.
489
00:26:12,279 --> 00:26:13,280
Two-way street.
490
00:26:13,322 --> 00:26:14,340
Deal.
491
00:26:23,207 --> 00:26:24,327
I'll get our next one.
492
00:26:24,416 --> 00:26:26,336
- I feel like I owe you.
- I got it.
493
00:26:30,964 --> 00:26:32,964
- Another round?
- Gorgeous.
494
00:26:33,467 --> 00:26:35,717
- Mm!
- Yeah. Thank you.
495
00:26:35,803 --> 00:26:37,013
Let me get that for you.
496
00:26:37,250 --> 00:26:38,280
Leave her alone, Gary.
497
00:26:38,305 --> 00:26:40,515
She's with General Patton over there.
498
00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:42,389
Well, you keep blowing me off, Kay!
499
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:44,460
How else is a red-blooded
American patriot
500
00:26:44,490 --> 00:26:45,976
supposed to spend his hard-earned pay?
501
00:26:46,063 --> 00:26:48,233
I'm sure you don't need any
help coming up with ideas.
502
00:26:48,315 --> 00:26:50,105
What if I promise to
take you out of here
503
00:26:50,192 --> 00:26:51,862
and away from all these assholes?
504
00:26:51,944 --> 00:26:53,864
- What's your name, Marine?
- Eric.
505
00:26:54,238 --> 00:26:56,238
Did you just get into Quantico, Eric?
506
00:26:56,270 --> 00:26:57,290
Yes, ma'am.
507
00:26:57,324 --> 00:26:59,244
Why don't you help me through
my first long night?
508
00:26:59,326 --> 00:27:00,696
Oh, Eric, you are new here.
509
00:27:01,286 --> 00:27:03,036
These boys put you up
to it, didn't they?
510
00:27:03,122 --> 00:27:06,002
Sadly, you are warming up the
bat all by yourself tonight.
511
00:27:06,750 --> 00:27:09,210
I play for the other team.
512
00:27:10,546 --> 00:27:11,586
If she's bent,
513
00:27:11,672 --> 00:27:12,802
so are Christie Brinkley
and Brooke Shields.
514
00:27:12,881 --> 00:27:15,041
- Well, I'd watch that pillow fight.
- Same tab?
515
00:27:16,135 --> 00:27:17,505
No, I've got this one.
516
00:27:21,598 --> 00:27:22,598
That really work?
517
00:27:23,308 --> 00:27:24,768
People see what they wanna see.
518
00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:26,899
Let me know if I can
get you anything else.
519
00:27:26,979 --> 00:27:28,779
- Thanks.
- Thanks for dropping by.
520
00:27:29,314 --> 00:27:31,324
Eyes forward, maggots.
521
00:27:34,903 --> 00:27:38,373
Six killed, seven wounded.
Biggest manhunt in US history.
522
00:27:38,448 --> 00:27:41,658
And he says a demon inhabiting a
neighbor's dog made him do it.
523
00:27:41,743 --> 00:27:44,163
Do we really buy that?
524
00:27:44,246 --> 00:27:45,866
On the surface, the
crimes appear random,
525
00:27:45,956 --> 00:27:49,746
but... I'm not sure he's the
madman he makes himself out to be.
526
00:27:50,127 --> 00:27:52,247
There's just enough pattern
to show intention.
527
00:27:52,337 --> 00:27:55,087
He always shot at women or
women in the company of men.
528
00:27:55,174 --> 00:27:56,570
And when he shot at couples in cars,
529
00:27:56,608 --> 00:27:58,014
he always shot at the passenger side.
530
00:27:58,093 --> 00:28:00,393
That was used to support
the "random" argument.
531
00:28:00,470 --> 00:28:03,770
It's the side closest to the sidewalk.
No planning, no strategy.
532
00:28:03,849 --> 00:28:04,860
Just shoot.
533
00:28:05,142 --> 00:28:07,942
But in couples, the male
is usually the driver.
534
00:28:09,188 --> 00:28:12,268
He never shot at the driver's side.
He unleashed everything on the...
535
00:28:13,025 --> 00:28:14,435
woman's side of the vehicle.
536
00:29:09,873 --> 00:29:12,333
I'm surprised the FBI
hasn't come sooner.
537
00:29:13,335 --> 00:29:16,205
The night I was arrested,
the mayor came to see me.
538
00:29:16,797 --> 00:29:19,007
He came down to my cell in
the middle of the night.
539
00:29:19,091 --> 00:29:20,841
We fit you in as soon as we could.
540
00:29:23,512 --> 00:29:25,352
So, you're talking to other people?
541
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:26,430
A few.
542
00:29:27,182 --> 00:29:28,932
But no one who's done what you did.
543
00:29:30,060 --> 00:29:32,310
You held an entire city in thrall.
544
00:29:33,188 --> 00:29:36,018
Girls got their hair cut so
you wouldn't single them out.
545
00:29:36,233 --> 00:29:37,653
Discos closed early.
546
00:29:38,026 --> 00:29:40,736
It was the largest task force
New York ever assembled.
547
00:29:41,697 --> 00:29:43,117
A hundred years from now,
548
00:29:43,198 --> 00:29:45,908
people will still know
the name Son of Sam.
549
00:29:47,244 --> 00:29:49,664
I always say, if you want
to learn how to paint,
550
00:29:50,914 --> 00:29:52,254
go straight to the artist.
551
00:29:53,959 --> 00:29:56,209
- What does that mean?
- You got so much publicity,
552
00:29:56,295 --> 00:29:58,795
there's a killer out in
Kansas who idolizes you.
553
00:29:59,589 --> 00:30:01,429
He's writing letters to the press.
554
00:30:01,508 --> 00:30:03,008
And he's writing about you.
555
00:30:05,971 --> 00:30:09,141
- Is he shitting me?
- Guy's killed seven so far.
556
00:30:09,224 --> 00:30:11,144
He even made a symbol.
Show him the thing.
557
00:30:21,570 --> 00:30:22,570
What is that? Boobs?
558
00:30:23,030 --> 00:30:24,030
It's a B.
559
00:30:24,865 --> 00:30:27,825
- This is a complete rip-off.
- That's what we think.
560
00:30:30,245 --> 00:30:31,245
How's he kill 'em?
561
00:30:31,955 --> 00:30:34,825
He breaks into houses, ties
'em up, strangles 'em.
562
00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:37,210
Calls himself BTK.
563
00:30:37,294 --> 00:30:38,594
For Bind, Torture, Kill.
564
00:30:39,504 --> 00:30:41,174
David, why did you name yourself?
565
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,760
"I am the Son of Sam.
566
00:30:44,509 --> 00:30:47,219
Go out and kill, commands father Sam."
567
00:30:52,059 --> 00:30:55,099
The press had called me
the ".44 Caliber Killer."
568
00:30:55,771 --> 00:30:58,361
They had this absurd theory
569
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,780
the gun somehow symbolized my penis.
570
00:31:02,235 --> 00:31:04,145
I'm not some crazed sex killer.
571
00:31:05,072 --> 00:31:07,782
I needed a name that
explained who I really was.
572
00:31:08,158 --> 00:31:11,448
That I was being controlled
by a 3,000-year-old demon.
573
00:31:12,537 --> 00:31:14,577
People need to know demons are real.
574
00:31:15,165 --> 00:31:17,825
The Exorcist is based on actual shit.
575
00:31:17,918 --> 00:31:19,038
You saw The Exorcist?
576
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:20,940
Everyone did.
577
00:31:21,254 --> 00:31:24,384
You read a lot about demons and
exorcisms before the killings?
578
00:31:26,218 --> 00:31:27,218
Maybe.
579
00:31:27,302 --> 00:31:30,432
Let's go to the first attack. We're
fascinated by your mindset...
580
00:31:30,514 --> 00:31:31,604
You're adopted, aren't you?
581
00:31:38,271 --> 00:31:41,781
Yeah. Just before this all started,
582
00:31:42,401 --> 00:31:44,361
I traced my biological mother.
583
00:31:44,444 --> 00:31:46,994
- Found out she never wanted me.
- That must've been hard.
584
00:31:47,697 --> 00:31:50,327
My adoptive mother told
me my real mother died.
585
00:31:50,742 --> 00:31:52,662
That often happens with adopted kids.
586
00:31:55,580 --> 00:31:56,960
Well, I was illegitimate.
587
00:31:57,749 --> 00:31:58,749
They both lied.
588
00:32:00,669 --> 00:32:02,839
That's about when I
started hearing voices.
589
00:32:02,921 --> 00:32:04,131
The "demons."
590
00:32:06,967 --> 00:32:08,927
How do you know when you have a demon?
591
00:32:09,177 --> 00:32:10,177
Are there symptoms?
592
00:32:12,681 --> 00:32:14,721
Possession isn't just
593
00:32:14,808 --> 00:32:16,518
what you see on the outside.
594
00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:19,939
The torment inside is horrible.
595
00:32:20,772 --> 00:32:23,072
Demons are powerful beings.
596
00:32:23,150 --> 00:32:26,570
They use your own voice, your
own thoughts against you.
597
00:32:27,195 --> 00:32:28,735
They make you think you're crazy.
598
00:32:29,239 --> 00:32:32,329
When they get strong enough,
they speak their name out loud.
599
00:32:32,409 --> 00:32:36,199
And once they've done that,
they are in complete control.
600
00:32:36,496 --> 00:32:38,666
So, now you know you've got a demon...
601
00:32:39,708 --> 00:32:40,708
What did you do?
602
00:32:41,793 --> 00:32:44,383
I quit my job and locked
myself in my apartment.
603
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,670
For a month, I stayed home
listening, preparing...
604
00:32:47,757 --> 00:32:49,587
Listening? To what exactly?
605
00:32:52,637 --> 00:32:54,217
My neighbor, Sam, had a dog.
606
00:32:54,306 --> 00:32:56,176
Every night,
607
00:32:56,266 --> 00:32:57,806
this dog would howl.
608
00:32:58,143 --> 00:32:59,943
He would not shut up.
609
00:33:00,353 --> 00:33:02,313
He kept saying he needed blood.
610
00:33:02,397 --> 00:33:03,897
He demanded blood.
611
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:06,530
I had no choice.
612
00:33:06,610 --> 00:33:10,160
That writing on your apartment
walls, what was that about?
613
00:33:14,075 --> 00:33:16,745
Sometimes the voices came
from inside the walls.
614
00:33:17,204 --> 00:33:18,544
So, not from a dog?
615
00:33:19,664 --> 00:33:21,264
I'm just trying to keep it all straight.
616
00:33:22,250 --> 00:33:23,340
They tormented me.
617
00:33:23,418 --> 00:33:25,418
I would tear the walls
open looking for 'em.
618
00:33:25,504 --> 00:33:28,634
Was that about the time you saw
The Exorcist and read your books?
619
00:33:30,217 --> 00:33:32,007
- Around then.
- I'm curious.
620
00:33:32,093 --> 00:33:34,553
You had this history of demonic voices,
621
00:33:34,638 --> 00:33:35,718
psychotic episodes.
622
00:33:36,431 --> 00:33:39,061
Why not plead not guilty
by reason of insanity?
623
00:33:39,142 --> 00:33:41,010
Why plead guilty and never get a trial
624
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:42,600
where you could explain your demons?
625
00:33:42,687 --> 00:33:44,647
Because I am not insane.
626
00:33:44,898 --> 00:33:47,278
I can't pretend to be insane.
627
00:33:48,193 --> 00:33:51,243
I knew it was wrong, but
they made me do it.
628
00:33:51,321 --> 00:33:55,081
Hearing demons is quite possibly the
textbook definition of insanity.
629
00:33:55,158 --> 00:33:57,118
They came to me, not from me.
630
00:33:57,202 --> 00:34:00,122
Sorry to dwell on it, but it is
the part that fascinates people.
631
00:34:00,205 --> 00:34:04,455
You know, two people are writing books.
Your neighbor and some guy
632
00:34:04,543 --> 00:34:06,843
you gave your life rights
to for whatever reason.
633
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,420
I'm in a legal dispute with him.
634
00:34:08,505 --> 00:34:10,255
That book is gonna move like Big Macs.
635
00:34:10,340 --> 00:34:12,680
A guy who talks to dogs, hears demons.
636
00:34:13,969 --> 00:34:15,429
Crazy sells, man.
637
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,180
He makes any proceeds
off the book, right?
638
00:34:19,641 --> 00:34:22,481
- The guy with your life rights?
- Like I said, it's a legal dispute.
639
00:34:22,561 --> 00:34:23,981
I can't discuss the details.
640
00:34:24,062 --> 00:34:25,522
Oh, I bet it is.
641
00:34:26,314 --> 00:34:29,484
The voices don't interfere with
talking to your lawyer, do they?
642
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,579
It's a crock, isn't it?
643
00:34:39,578 --> 00:34:41,408
There's no voices, no demon.
644
00:34:42,789 --> 00:34:43,789
The dog doesn't talk.
645
00:34:45,250 --> 00:34:48,040
You saw a movie, read some
books, and made it all up.
646
00:34:48,128 --> 00:34:49,798
So if everything went to shit...
647
00:34:50,213 --> 00:34:51,213
you'd have a way out.
648
00:34:52,382 --> 00:34:54,012
Do you want to forever
be known at the FBI
649
00:34:54,090 --> 00:34:56,000
as the guy who let a Labrador land him
650
00:34:56,030 --> 00:34:57,630
in jail for the rest of his shitty life?
651
00:35:00,140 --> 00:35:03,350
They all bought it, David, didn't they?
652
00:35:05,061 --> 00:35:06,271
Even the shrinks.
653
00:35:13,528 --> 00:35:14,988
Especially the shrinks.
654
00:35:16,656 --> 00:35:18,616
Hell, I believed some of it.
655
00:35:19,993 --> 00:35:21,453
I'm very suggestible.
656
00:35:21,536 --> 00:35:23,196
Did you wanna hear voices?
657
00:35:23,288 --> 00:35:24,788
I kept reading about 'em.
658
00:35:24,873 --> 00:35:27,003
They got kinda tied
up with my fantasies.
659
00:35:27,083 --> 00:35:28,753
What fantasies are those?
660
00:35:28,835 --> 00:35:30,545
Girls. Revenge.
661
00:35:30,629 --> 00:35:32,709
I'm what you call a
"sex-starved daydreamer."
662
00:35:33,965 --> 00:35:35,795
That... That's just me.
That's not clinical.
663
00:35:35,810 --> 00:35:37,350
When did these fantasies start?
664
00:35:37,381 --> 00:35:38,804
When I was a teenager.
665
00:35:39,220 --> 00:35:42,220
But even now, I still spend
most of my time fantasizing.
666
00:35:44,768 --> 00:35:47,438
My killings were not sex crimes.
667
00:35:48,063 --> 00:35:49,863
I never wanted to rape anybody.
668
00:35:50,398 --> 00:35:51,688
I just wanted to kill 'em.
669
00:35:52,233 --> 00:35:55,613
Voices helped me justify
what I already wanted to do.
670
00:35:55,695 --> 00:35:57,605
How did you find them? Your victims?
671
00:35:58,239 --> 00:35:59,699
Just started driving.
672
00:35:59,783 --> 00:36:01,663
- Driving?
- All the time.
673
00:36:01,710 --> 00:36:02,720
Lookin' for girls.
674
00:36:02,744 --> 00:36:05,504
So you never picked anyone out
in advance and surveilled them?
675
00:36:05,580 --> 00:36:08,330
No. I never knew who it would be.
676
00:36:08,792 --> 00:36:10,042
Is that what Kansas does?
677
00:36:10,126 --> 00:36:11,666
We think so from his letters.
678
00:36:11,753 --> 00:36:13,463
I just drove and drove.
679
00:36:13,546 --> 00:36:15,126
I'll bet he does too, Kansas.
680
00:36:16,383 --> 00:36:18,183
Gotta have a reliable car.
681
00:36:18,635 --> 00:36:19,755
And I was cunning.
682
00:36:19,844 --> 00:36:21,854
I studied maps, escape routes.
683
00:36:21,930 --> 00:36:24,930
I carried my gun, a roll
of quarters for parking.
684
00:36:26,017 --> 00:36:27,727
You never know when it
might come together.
685
00:36:27,811 --> 00:36:29,691
How did you know what
nights to go hunting?
686
00:36:29,771 --> 00:36:32,191
Did it have anything to
do with lunar cycles?
687
00:36:32,273 --> 00:36:34,153
Fuck no. I hunted every night.
688
00:36:34,234 --> 00:36:35,824
- Every night?
- That's what it takes.
689
00:36:35,850 --> 00:36:36,880
Commitment.
690
00:36:37,237 --> 00:36:38,527
You go out every night,
691
00:36:38,613 --> 00:36:42,623
but... maybe once every few
weeks, you find the right girl
692
00:36:42,701 --> 00:36:44,451
in the right place, at the right time.
693
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,080
I never knew what I was lookin' for,
694
00:36:47,997 --> 00:36:49,617
but I knew her when I saw her.
695
00:36:49,708 --> 00:36:51,078
You ever take souvenirs?
696
00:36:51,751 --> 00:36:52,791
Something from the scene?
697
00:36:52,877 --> 00:36:55,627
- Maybe something from one of the girls?
- No, I ran.
698
00:36:57,590 --> 00:36:59,090
The copycat, he takes things?
699
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:00,256
Yeah.
700
00:37:00,343 --> 00:37:04,263
David, did you ever go back
to any of the crime scenes?
701
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:05,933
All the time.
702
00:37:06,015 --> 00:37:08,935
Was it because you
felt guilt or remorse?
703
00:37:10,100 --> 00:37:11,140
Nah.
704
00:37:11,187 --> 00:37:13,567
If I struck out or there
were too many cops,
705
00:37:13,648 --> 00:37:15,438
I'd go back to where I did a job.
706
00:37:15,525 --> 00:37:16,605
You'd relive it.
707
00:37:18,403 --> 00:37:20,533
Every detail.
708
00:37:22,782 --> 00:37:24,750
Sometimes, I rolled around in the dirt
709
00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:26,452
where they died, just to feel it.
710
00:37:27,787 --> 00:37:28,787
Did you... ?
711
00:37:32,167 --> 00:37:34,167
Masturbate?
712
00:37:34,753 --> 00:37:35,753
Oh, yeah.
713
00:37:36,963 --> 00:37:38,513
But not there. At home.
714
00:37:39,174 --> 00:37:43,264
Again, I never fantasized
about sex with violence.
715
00:37:44,637 --> 00:37:46,257
Those two things were always separate.
716
00:37:46,347 --> 00:37:47,427
Of course.
717
00:37:54,147 --> 00:37:57,567
Even if he takes souvenirs, your guy,
718
00:37:58,109 --> 00:38:00,319
I guarantee you he goes back.
719
00:38:01,321 --> 00:38:02,491
You can't resist it.
720
00:38:04,115 --> 00:38:05,735
Maybe he just drives by.
721
00:38:07,744 --> 00:38:08,744
Maybe.
722
00:38:12,370 --> 00:38:14,360
His own narcissism forces him to admit
723
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:15,633
that the demons were fabricated.
724
00:38:15,710 --> 00:38:19,300
The thought of someone else profiting
from his fame was unbearable.
725
00:38:19,380 --> 00:38:20,470
Your instincts were right.
726
00:38:20,548 --> 00:38:22,968
A schizophrenic wouldn't be able
to turn the voices on and off.
727
00:38:23,051 --> 00:38:25,301
Crazed killer or possessed,
what's the difference?
728
00:38:25,386 --> 00:38:27,926
He can't tolerate his image
tarnished by insanity.
729
00:38:28,890 --> 00:38:30,350
The demons make him special.
730
00:38:30,934 --> 00:38:33,194
A warrior battling insurmountable evil.
731
00:38:33,603 --> 00:38:34,813
Crazy's just weak.
732
00:38:34,896 --> 00:38:37,316
You know what's really surprising
is that despite appearances,
733
00:38:37,398 --> 00:38:39,688
his crimes are
psycho-sexually motivated.
734
00:38:39,776 --> 00:38:42,640
He kept making the point that his
sexual fantasies were separate
735
00:38:42,650 --> 00:38:43,660
from the violence.
736
00:38:43,696 --> 00:38:45,566
He did not want his gun
mistaken for his penis.
737
00:38:45,657 --> 00:38:46,657
He did choose a .44.
738
00:38:46,741 --> 00:38:49,831
That goes back to public image
conflicting with self-image.
739
00:38:49,911 --> 00:38:51,451
Sex offenders are perverts.
740
00:38:51,538 --> 00:38:52,788
He's a tormented genius.
741
00:38:52,872 --> 00:38:55,382
When the media got that wrong,
he corrected the narrative.
742
00:38:55,458 --> 00:38:57,800
So is he getting off on publicity
more than the killings?
743
00:38:57,820 --> 00:38:58,840
It's both.
744
00:38:58,878 --> 00:38:59,958
The killings were foreplay,
745
00:39:00,046 --> 00:39:02,376
but he was just as concerned
with how he was perceived.
746
00:39:02,465 --> 00:39:05,125
Naming himself, communicating
with the media.
747
00:39:05,218 --> 00:39:06,588
It all adds up to control.
748
00:39:06,678 --> 00:39:08,848
And Berkowitz can't control
how women treat him
749
00:39:08,930 --> 00:39:10,810
or how he fits into his family.
750
00:39:10,890 --> 00:39:13,180
So he creates this monstrous persona,
751
00:39:13,268 --> 00:39:16,188
but really he's just a
dumpy, awkward mailman.
752
00:39:16,271 --> 00:39:20,021
If we go by what Berkowitz
said, BTK trolls every night.
753
00:39:20,108 --> 00:39:23,108
No one could hold down a
real job, have a family,
754
00:39:23,194 --> 00:39:26,664
hunt, visit their crime scenes.
He's got a menial job at best.
755
00:39:26,739 --> 00:39:28,949
- And no real relationships.
- Certainly not with women.
756
00:39:29,033 --> 00:39:30,123
Based on Berkowitz,
757
00:39:30,201 --> 00:39:32,701
we're gonna have to open
up an entire new category.
758
00:39:32,780 --> 00:39:34,060
We've been looking at whether killers
759
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:35,537
follow their stories in the media,
760
00:39:35,550 --> 00:39:36,560
like Kemper did.
761
00:39:36,580 --> 00:39:38,600
But now we have to consider
how they use the media
762
00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:40,590
to create their own mythologies.
763
00:39:40,670 --> 00:39:42,130
So Berkowitz, what is he?
764
00:39:44,132 --> 00:39:47,552
He's not schizophrenic. Does
virtually no preplanning.
765
00:39:47,635 --> 00:39:50,595
Has an absurd supernatural
explanation if caught.
766
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,060
And there are definite sexual
components to his crimes.
767
00:39:53,141 --> 00:39:54,601
Organized or disorganized?
768
00:39:54,684 --> 00:39:56,786
Does he get a promotion now
that he's not talkin' to dogs?
769
00:39:57,186 --> 00:40:00,146
Overall, I'd say he's
more organized than not.
770
00:40:01,399 --> 00:40:02,399
Who'd have thunk?
771
00:40:12,785 --> 00:40:13,785
Hey, Bill.
772
00:40:15,204 --> 00:40:16,204
How was he?
773
00:40:17,081 --> 00:40:18,581
A little stiff at first.
774
00:40:18,666 --> 00:40:20,956
But then back to his old cocksure self.
775
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:22,540
- You read it.
- Hmm.
776
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,710
Still think we need to be cautious.
777
00:40:25,214 --> 00:40:26,264
I think he's back.
778
00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:32,352
Good night.
779
00:40:32,380 --> 00:40:33,430
Good night.
780
00:41:13,805 --> 00:41:16,595
Good evening. Uh, is Nancy Tench home?
781
00:41:17,433 --> 00:41:18,773
I'm her husband. Can I help you?
782
00:41:18,851 --> 00:41:21,101
I'm Detective Spencer
with Fredericksburg PD.
783
00:41:21,187 --> 00:41:22,357
Special Agent Tench.
784
00:41:22,438 --> 00:41:23,478
FBI.
785
00:41:23,773 --> 00:41:24,943
What can I do for ya?
786
00:41:25,233 --> 00:41:27,783
I'm so sorry. Detective Art Spencer.
787
00:41:28,611 --> 00:41:32,451
Mrs. Tench, are you the Realtor
for 1159 Cimmaron Court?
788
00:41:32,532 --> 00:41:33,550
Yes.
789
00:41:33,570 --> 00:41:36,703
You need to know that the residence
is, unfortunately, a crime scene.
790
00:41:36,786 --> 00:41:39,906
- What? Has there been a break-in?
- No, there's been a...
791
00:41:41,666 --> 00:41:43,376
body found in the garage.
792
00:41:44,877 --> 00:41:46,167
Oh, my God.
793
00:41:46,713 --> 00:41:48,723
We're investigating it as a homicide.
794
00:41:49,048 --> 00:41:51,258
Um... I'm afraid I can't disclose...
795
00:41:53,261 --> 00:41:55,431
Forgive me.
796
00:41:56,270 --> 00:41:57,352
May I come in?
797
00:41:57,432 --> 00:41:58,432
Of course.
798
00:41:59,851 --> 00:42:02,441
- Can I get you some water, anything?
- No, thank you.
799
00:42:02,645 --> 00:42:04,855
I've just come from
notifying next of kin.
800
00:42:04,939 --> 00:42:06,569
- That is rough.
- Oh, my God.
801
00:42:06,816 --> 00:42:08,276
I'm sorry, how can we help?
802
00:42:09,068 --> 00:42:10,818
I need to ask a few questions.
803
00:42:10,903 --> 00:42:15,163
Ma'am, who has access to or has
recently entered the premises?
804
00:42:15,825 --> 00:42:18,615
Um, just me and the owner.
I've only shown it twice.
805
00:42:18,703 --> 00:42:20,913
There's a lockbox. The combination
is the street address.
806
00:42:20,997 --> 00:42:22,537
I know that's not very secure.
807
00:42:22,623 --> 00:42:25,423
Is it possible any of the doors may
have been left open by mistake?
808
00:42:25,501 --> 00:42:27,421
No, I'm always so careful.
809
00:42:27,503 --> 00:42:29,513
What about the yard? Do
you have a regular crew?
810
00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:32,049
That's supposed to be me, but
I'm afraid I never got there.
811
00:42:32,842 --> 00:42:34,120
I'll need to get the names of anyone
812
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:35,342
that you've taken through the house.
813
00:42:35,428 --> 00:42:37,008
Of course. Um...
814
00:42:37,847 --> 00:42:38,967
Please, sit down.
815
00:42:48,024 --> 00:42:50,074
This one's got me a little
shook up, Agent Tench.
816
00:42:50,151 --> 00:42:51,741
Bill. I get it.
817
00:42:51,819 --> 00:42:54,279
I work in a special
homicide unit myself.
818
00:42:55,114 --> 00:42:57,244
I've seen plenty of things
that kept me up at night.
819
00:42:58,367 --> 00:42:59,487
Anything you wanna share?
820
00:42:59,577 --> 00:43:01,697
I really shouldn't
discuss the particulars.
821
00:43:01,788 --> 00:43:02,800
Understood.
822
00:43:02,830 --> 00:43:04,460
I didn't wanna scare your wife,
823
00:43:04,540 --> 00:43:07,880
but I do need to get her shoes from
when she was last in the garage.
824
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,550
We have a lot of latent evidence,
and we need to eliminate her.
825
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:12,880
Absolutely. Can I drop
'em by in the morning?
826
00:43:12,965 --> 00:43:14,045
We'll be there.
827
00:43:14,133 --> 00:43:16,643
Here are their names and numbers.
They all seemed perfectly nice.
828
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,889
Thank you, ma'am. I'll let you
know as soon as we're out.
829
00:43:18,971 --> 00:43:20,681
I'm so sorry to have
barged in on your evening.
830
00:43:20,765 --> 00:43:23,015
Not a problem. Let me know
if I can do anything.
831
00:43:29,470 --> 00:43:30,530
Wow.
832
00:43:30,608 --> 00:43:31,620
He was rattled.
833
00:43:31,651 --> 00:43:33,401
I can't imagine.
834
00:43:33,486 --> 00:43:35,106
It's... awful.
835
00:43:35,196 --> 00:43:37,986
That just doesn't happen around here.
836
00:43:38,407 --> 00:43:39,867
It happens everywhere, Nance.
837
00:43:51,690 --> 00:43:56,690
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838
00:45:43,282 --> 00:45:48,622
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