1 00:00:17,981 --> 00:00:20,692 [THEME MUSIC PLAYING] 2 00:01:55,412 --> 00:01:56,663 [HOLDEN] "Deviant." 3 00:01:57,372 --> 00:01:58,665 Pyromania. 4 00:01:59,374 --> 00:02:00,375 Torture. 5 00:02:01,186 --> 00:02:02,186 "Mutilation." 6 00:02:02,210 --> 00:02:05,005 [MAN] I understand what you're trying to do, and I appreciate it. 7 00:02:05,088 --> 00:02:07,728 Using Career Week to discuss early intervention, it's a great idea. 8 00:02:07,752 --> 00:02:10,260 I had been thinking about how we educate kids when you called. 9 00:02:10,344 --> 00:02:13,847 And coming from the FBI, it is a powerful statement. 10 00:02:14,556 --> 00:02:17,851 But how do I get it across if I can't use these words? 11 00:02:23,398 --> 00:02:24,483 "Mutilation." 12 00:02:25,108 --> 00:02:28,278 If you use that, I guarantee you that at least one of them, 13 00:02:28,362 --> 00:02:32,032 Jenny Cromer, Michael Stahl, these are confident, curious children. 14 00:02:32,115 --> 00:02:34,576 They will ask you what "mutilation" means. 15 00:02:34,660 --> 00:02:36,286 And I can describe it, and specifically... 16 00:02:36,311 --> 00:02:37,546 And then... 17 00:02:38,121 --> 00:02:39,581 a few of them will go home, 18 00:02:40,082 --> 00:02:41,500 they'll have nightmares, 19 00:02:41,583 --> 00:02:43,585 and tomorrow I'll be fielding calls from parents 20 00:02:43,668 --> 00:02:44,836 who will be concerned... 21 00:02:44,920 --> 00:02:46,579 Parents should be discussing this, too. 22 00:02:46,604 --> 00:02:47,766 Absolutely. 23 00:02:47,798 --> 00:02:50,967 And if I had the time to build a foundation for their understanding, 24 00:02:51,051 --> 00:02:54,346 - I'd be on board. - [SIGHS] 25 00:02:55,013 --> 00:02:56,264 So no "torture." 26 00:02:57,265 --> 00:02:58,558 Could I say "hurting"? 27 00:02:59,434 --> 00:03:00,434 "Hurting" animals? 28 00:03:00,477 --> 00:03:02,854 What about "being mean" to animals? 29 00:03:05,982 --> 00:03:07,818 You really think that "pyromania" is too much? 30 00:03:07,901 --> 00:03:09,796 My students will not know what that is. 31 00:03:09,821 --> 00:03:10,889 "Arson"? 32 00:03:10,914 --> 00:03:11,975 Mm-mm. 33 00:03:12,041 --> 00:03:15,242 - "Deviant"? - They will not know what that is. 34 00:03:15,325 --> 00:03:17,494 Even if I used it in context? 35 00:03:17,577 --> 00:03:18,620 It's harsh. 36 00:03:18,703 --> 00:03:20,872 We need to prepare them for the world, yes. 37 00:03:21,415 --> 00:03:24,334 But we also need to protect them from it. 38 00:03:24,835 --> 00:03:26,378 Guess I could say... 39 00:03:28,088 --> 00:03:29,214 "disturbing." 40 00:03:31,425 --> 00:03:32,801 Listen, Agent Ford. 41 00:03:33,802 --> 00:03:35,220 Show them your badge. 42 00:03:36,221 --> 00:03:37,973 - They'll be thrilled. - [BELL RINGS] 43 00:03:38,056 --> 00:03:41,059 [LIGHT APPLAUSE] 44 00:03:41,143 --> 00:03:45,480 My job at the FBI is to study people who exhibit disturbing behavior. 45 00:03:46,022 --> 00:03:48,066 If I can classify this behavior, 46 00:03:48,150 --> 00:03:51,570 I can help the police catch these people when they commit a crime. 47 00:03:52,529 --> 00:03:54,364 But lately I've been asking myself: 48 00:03:55,073 --> 00:03:59,244 can we stop these people from becoming disturbing in the first place? 49 00:04:00,829 --> 00:04:02,372 That's where you come in. 50 00:04:02,998 --> 00:04:05,333 By your age, we can start seeing the signs. 51 00:04:05,417 --> 00:04:08,003 In this whole classroom, statistically speaking, 52 00:04:08,086 --> 00:04:11,423 disturbing behavior would show up in about one of you. 53 00:04:11,923 --> 00:04:15,260 Say you have a friend who likes lighting fires. 54 00:04:15,343 --> 00:04:19,598 I mean, deliberately setting things on fire, like toys or trash. 55 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,934 Another sign that your friend is disturbed, 56 00:04:23,018 --> 00:04:24,728 is if he shows a lack of remorse. 57 00:04:24,811 --> 00:04:26,313 [MAN CLEARS THROAT] 58 00:04:26,938 --> 00:04:31,026 That is, if he's done something wrong, he doesn't feel bad about it. 59 00:04:32,319 --> 00:04:35,197 - Yes. - Are only boys disturbed? 60 00:04:35,280 --> 00:04:37,532 Perhaps I should be saying he or she, 61 00:04:37,616 --> 00:04:41,119 but yes, actually, it is mostly males who are disturbed. 62 00:04:41,620 --> 00:04:44,331 - Sorry, guys. - [LAUGHING] 63 00:04:44,414 --> 00:04:46,917 Another thing you should be aware of at your age 64 00:04:47,501 --> 00:04:48,668 is the way we treat animals. 65 00:04:48,752 --> 00:04:51,087 Now animals are nice to us, so we should be nice back. 66 00:04:51,171 --> 00:04:56,551 But say you have a friend who is being mean to an animal. 67 00:04:56,635 --> 00:04:59,221 Very mean. You should take note of that. 68 00:04:59,865 --> 00:05:00,865 Yes. 69 00:05:00,889 --> 00:05:02,933 My brother throws rocks at our dog. 70 00:05:03,016 --> 00:05:06,686 Well, that doesn't sound very nice, but let me ask you: 71 00:05:06,770 --> 00:05:09,356 are they big rocks or little rocks? 72 00:05:09,439 --> 00:05:13,151 - Mm... medium rocks. - Okay. 73 00:05:13,235 --> 00:05:16,738 The kind of behavior towards animals that I'm talking about is, um... 74 00:05:17,781 --> 00:05:19,157 forcible... 75 00:05:19,699 --> 00:05:22,911 [STAMMERS] It's not just about being mean to animals, it's... 76 00:05:23,787 --> 00:05:26,832 It's about hurting the animal, and you'll know when that's happening 77 00:05:26,915 --> 00:05:30,544 because an animal will let you know when it is being hurt. 78 00:05:33,713 --> 00:05:35,648 In any case, if you see this, 79 00:05:35,673 --> 00:05:38,117 you should tell a teacher, or your mom, or your dad. 80 00:05:38,176 --> 00:05:43,431 The idea is that you stop your friend, who is a disturbing kid, 81 00:05:43,515 --> 00:05:46,059 from becoming a disturbing adult, 82 00:05:46,142 --> 00:05:50,063 because one day he may start being mean to people. 83 00:05:51,856 --> 00:05:52,856 So... 84 00:05:57,070 --> 00:05:58,655 Who wants to see my badge? 85 00:05:58,738 --> 00:05:59,906 [ALL GASP] 86 00:05:59,990 --> 00:06:02,242 [INDISTINCT CHATTER] 87 00:06:02,742 --> 00:06:04,828 It means so much to these students 88 00:06:04,911 --> 00:06:06,997 that someone like yourself would take an interest. 89 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,833 Sure, that was great. They're very smart. 90 00:06:10,375 --> 00:06:12,794 Top standardized test scores in the district. 91 00:06:13,503 --> 00:06:15,922 Well, if you want to do any more outreach, just let me know. 92 00:06:16,006 --> 00:06:18,883 Don't say that, I'll hold you to it. Thanks again. 93 00:06:18,967 --> 00:06:19,967 Thank you. 94 00:06:20,719 --> 00:06:22,887 Sorry. Bye. 95 00:06:22,971 --> 00:06:24,055 Mr. Ford? 96 00:06:24,491 --> 00:06:25,491 Holden. 97 00:06:25,515 --> 00:06:27,601 I'm Janet Ebner. I teach fourth grade here. 98 00:06:27,684 --> 00:06:30,020 - May I have a moment? - Sure. 99 00:06:30,103 --> 00:06:32,480 I know you weren't here today to talk to us, 100 00:06:32,564 --> 00:06:36,109 but I've heard about some behavior that I'd classify as disturbing. 101 00:06:36,670 --> 00:06:37,670 Okay. 102 00:06:37,694 --> 00:06:41,489 Well, odd at the very least, but I believe my instincts are good. 103 00:06:41,990 --> 00:06:43,700 It all starts with instinct. 104 00:06:43,783 --> 00:06:45,285 And I'm not the only one. 105 00:06:45,368 --> 00:06:47,245 Some of the other teachers are concerned, 106 00:06:47,329 --> 00:06:49,748 several parents, certain members of the school board. 107 00:06:49,831 --> 00:06:51,416 We even took it to the local police. 108 00:06:52,292 --> 00:06:53,292 What is it? 109 00:06:54,919 --> 00:06:57,130 Let's go to the staff room. This way. 110 00:07:00,925 --> 00:07:01,926 [HOLDEN] Thank you. 111 00:07:04,846 --> 00:07:07,724 - He has a thing for tickling. - Who does? 112 00:07:07,807 --> 00:07:10,685 Principal Wade, Roger, tickles the children. 113 00:07:11,728 --> 00:07:13,438 - Where? - In his office. 114 00:07:14,272 --> 00:07:15,774 I mean, where on the body? 115 00:07:15,857 --> 00:07:17,025 Their feet. 116 00:07:17,108 --> 00:07:19,945 Sometimes a child will go to his office for disciplinary reasons, 117 00:07:20,028 --> 00:07:21,154 that's when it happens. 118 00:07:21,237 --> 00:07:22,572 Is it punishment? 119 00:07:22,656 --> 00:07:24,741 I think it's supposed to mitigate the punishment, 120 00:07:24,824 --> 00:07:26,284 but then he gives them money. 121 00:07:26,910 --> 00:07:28,370 - For what? - Nickels. 122 00:07:28,453 --> 00:07:31,373 He gives them nickels if they can withstand the tickling. 123 00:07:31,915 --> 00:07:33,291 Okay, well... 124 00:07:34,084 --> 00:07:35,335 that is odd. 125 00:07:35,961 --> 00:07:39,297 - It's completely inappropriate. - Has anybody talked with him? 126 00:07:39,631 --> 00:07:42,342 The board questioned him, nothing happened. 127 00:07:42,425 --> 00:07:44,177 But somebody took it to the police? 128 00:07:44,260 --> 00:07:46,721 I did, at the urging of some parents. 129 00:07:46,798 --> 00:07:48,671 Parents asked you to go to the police? 130 00:07:48,738 --> 00:07:49,957 I talked to a Detective Barr. 131 00:07:50,016 --> 00:07:52,602 He said they'd look into it, write something up. 132 00:07:52,727 --> 00:07:53,770 That was five months ago. 133 00:07:53,795 --> 00:07:54,812 Have you seen a report? 134 00:07:54,837 --> 00:07:56,755 No, it's like the whole thing went away. 135 00:07:56,815 --> 00:07:58,400 Maybe you could check in with him. 136 00:08:00,026 --> 00:08:01,486 This isn't exactly my area. 137 00:08:01,569 --> 00:08:04,406 - [SCHOOL BELL RINGS] - This is what you were talking about. 138 00:08:04,489 --> 00:08:07,283 At least by our definition at the Behavioral Science Unit, 139 00:08:07,367 --> 00:08:09,494 tickling is not considered deviant behavior. 140 00:08:09,577 --> 00:08:11,371 Deviant? You said "disturbing." 141 00:08:12,455 --> 00:08:15,083 Whatever's going on here is obviously nuanced. 142 00:08:15,583 --> 00:08:18,253 I'd have to witness it or at least get his version. 143 00:08:19,045 --> 00:08:21,506 - Do you have children? - Not yet. 144 00:08:22,215 --> 00:08:24,551 Imagine one of those seven-year-olds is yours. 145 00:08:25,016 --> 00:08:27,543 Principal Wade has her take off her shoes and socks 146 00:08:27,568 --> 00:08:29,252 so that he can tickle her feet. 147 00:08:29,305 --> 00:08:30,878 Wouldn't you be worried one day 148 00:08:30,903 --> 00:08:32,654 he'd ask her to take something else off? 149 00:08:33,663 --> 00:08:35,039 Put a call in, please? 150 00:08:37,814 --> 00:08:38,815 [SIGHS] 151 00:08:39,566 --> 00:08:41,443 [DOG BARKS IN DISTANCE] 152 00:08:53,288 --> 00:08:55,832 [ROCK MUSIC PLAYING ON CAR STEREO] 153 00:08:57,709 --> 00:08:59,252 ♪ Don't be surprised ♪ 154 00:08:59,878 --> 00:09:02,630 ♪ Their bodies move by habit Look in their eyes ♪ 155 00:09:04,883 --> 00:09:06,384 ♪ Nothing is real ♪ 156 00:09:06,468 --> 00:09:08,636 Where were you? I was worried. 157 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:10,248 Sorry, my car's in the shop. 158 00:09:10,273 --> 00:09:12,122 I had to wait for Patrick to give me a ride. 159 00:09:12,557 --> 00:09:15,935 - Patrick? - Yeah, you know, from my psych class. 160 00:09:25,570 --> 00:09:27,030 [HOLDEN] These used to be cold. 161 00:09:27,113 --> 00:09:29,199 - Put ice in it. - Gross. 162 00:09:29,282 --> 00:09:31,201 Here, I'll stick it in the freezer. 163 00:09:31,576 --> 00:09:33,369 Remember the last time you did that? 164 00:09:34,037 --> 00:09:35,330 [SIGHS] Okay, Dad. 165 00:09:36,790 --> 00:09:37,916 I would've picked you up. 166 00:09:38,500 --> 00:09:41,503 At school? No, it's way too far out of your way. 167 00:09:42,921 --> 00:09:44,380 So what happened to your car? 168 00:09:45,006 --> 00:09:47,550 Uh... maintenance. 169 00:09:47,634 --> 00:09:50,261 You, Debbie Mitford, took your car in for maintenance? 170 00:09:50,845 --> 00:09:53,556 I've kind of been forgetting to put oil in it. 171 00:09:54,474 --> 00:09:55,475 You seized your engine? 172 00:09:56,226 --> 00:09:57,352 Something like that. 173 00:09:58,228 --> 00:10:01,064 The guys at the shop gave me enough grief, so you don't have to. 174 00:10:01,147 --> 00:10:02,941 I don't think I can not give you grief. 175 00:10:03,024 --> 00:10:05,318 My dad used to remind me to change my oil. 176 00:10:05,401 --> 00:10:06,611 Maybe you could do the same. 177 00:10:06,694 --> 00:10:08,071 Maybe get Patrick to remind you. 178 00:10:08,488 --> 00:10:10,281 You are so stupid. 179 00:10:10,365 --> 00:10:11,908 - Am I? - Yes. 180 00:10:13,576 --> 00:10:15,578 Why is it so hard to stay mad at you? 181 00:10:15,662 --> 00:10:16,871 I don't know. 182 00:10:17,580 --> 00:10:19,999 - [WATER RUNNING] - Nickels for tickles. 183 00:10:20,583 --> 00:10:24,087 - You don't think it's harmless fun? - No, it's creepy and disgusting. 184 00:10:24,170 --> 00:10:26,290 I would not want any principal touching my kid's feet. 185 00:10:26,965 --> 00:10:30,301 He seems like a good guy. And he's been great for that school. 186 00:10:30,385 --> 00:10:31,970 Did the superintendent talk to him? 187 00:10:32,053 --> 00:10:34,347 I don't know. I should ask. [SPITS] 188 00:10:34,430 --> 00:10:36,057 [WATER RUNNING] 189 00:10:36,141 --> 00:10:38,781 My cousin had this first grade teacher who would give her a sticker 190 00:10:38,805 --> 00:10:41,855 if she'd let him pinch her cheek. He did it to all the girls. 191 00:10:41,938 --> 00:10:43,239 It only came out years later 192 00:10:43,264 --> 00:10:45,250 that he was pinching some of them in other places. 193 00:10:45,275 --> 00:10:47,402 - Was he ever caught? - No. 194 00:10:47,485 --> 00:10:50,029 She didn't find out until her classmates started comparing notes 195 00:10:50,113 --> 00:10:51,156 at a high school reunion. 196 00:10:51,906 --> 00:10:54,044 Kids won't talk about that stuff when they're little. 197 00:10:54,069 --> 00:10:55,450 They assume the adult is right, 198 00:10:55,475 --> 00:10:57,301 especially if he's an authority figure. 199 00:10:57,390 --> 00:10:58,997 I wonder how many girls he did that to. 200 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,916 Well, he was a teacher for 40 years. 201 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,710 [SIGHS] I can't believe it didn't come out. 202 00:11:03,793 --> 00:11:06,296 There were whispers, but by that point he was retired. 203 00:11:06,379 --> 00:11:08,256 It's escalating behavior... 204 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:10,800 just like with Brudos and Roger. 205 00:11:15,179 --> 00:11:17,272 Almost like they can't help themselves. 206 00:11:17,297 --> 00:11:19,708 They've got this... compulsion. 207 00:11:19,767 --> 00:11:22,312 You think Roger is in any way similar to Brudos? 208 00:11:23,396 --> 00:11:25,148 Both of them sure like these. 209 00:11:25,231 --> 00:11:27,191 Looks like somebody else does, too. 210 00:11:29,235 --> 00:11:31,446 [GROANS] I have to go back to Oregon this week. 211 00:11:31,529 --> 00:11:34,032 Nine more rounds with Butterball Brudos. 212 00:11:37,243 --> 00:11:38,453 Listen... 213 00:11:39,037 --> 00:11:41,164 if you need a ride home from school again, 214 00:11:42,582 --> 00:11:43,582 call me. 215 00:11:45,501 --> 00:11:46,501 Okay. 216 00:11:57,680 --> 00:11:59,140 [HOLDEN] Excuse me, Officer. 217 00:12:03,394 --> 00:12:05,480 - Can I help you? - [HOLDEN] Know Detective Barr? 218 00:12:05,563 --> 00:12:08,775 Staff politics. Women like that are always looking for a pot to stir. 219 00:12:08,858 --> 00:12:10,735 She seemed genuinely concerned. 220 00:12:10,818 --> 00:12:13,404 She wasn't married, as I remember. 221 00:12:13,470 --> 00:12:14,959 What does that have to do with it? 222 00:12:15,073 --> 00:12:16,358 She's got extra energy. 223 00:12:16,866 --> 00:12:18,660 Apparently, some parents are concerned, too. 224 00:12:18,743 --> 00:12:22,372 - She said that, but I never saw them. - Did you follow up at all? 225 00:12:22,455 --> 00:12:25,166 There's no victim. No one's pressing charges. 226 00:12:25,249 --> 00:12:26,626 He's touching kids. 227 00:12:26,709 --> 00:12:28,252 Giving them money for it. 228 00:12:28,336 --> 00:12:31,297 He's tickling kids, that's not a crime. 229 00:12:31,839 --> 00:12:34,175 I can't arrest him unless he does something illegal. 230 00:12:34,259 --> 00:12:35,812 I explained this to Ms. Ebner, 231 00:12:35,859 --> 00:12:37,995 I shouldn't have to explain it to the FBI. 232 00:12:38,513 --> 00:12:41,015 Unless you're gonna start predicting what people do. 233 00:12:42,892 --> 00:12:44,352 May I see the report? 234 00:12:46,688 --> 00:12:49,399 - Why am I reading this? - I thought we might look into it. 235 00:12:49,482 --> 00:12:50,482 A foot tickler? 236 00:12:50,525 --> 00:12:53,403 It could be a form of podophilia... like Brudos. 237 00:12:53,486 --> 00:12:55,613 This guy's a grade school principal with no record. 238 00:12:55,697 --> 00:12:57,991 People are concerned. No one will help them. 239 00:12:58,074 --> 00:12:59,701 - Just one teacher. - No. 240 00:13:00,410 --> 00:13:01,650 I talked to the superintendent. 241 00:13:01,674 --> 00:13:03,913 Some members of the school board have been complaining. 242 00:13:03,997 --> 00:13:06,874 [SIGHS] Holden, we have a stack of applications to review. 243 00:13:06,958 --> 00:13:08,584 I don't see your stack getting shorter. 244 00:13:08,668 --> 00:13:11,754 - I looked at them, all "nos." - No as in, don't even interview? 245 00:13:11,838 --> 00:13:14,215 - They're greenhorns. - So were you. 246 00:13:14,298 --> 00:13:16,718 We mainly need someone to take over transcribing. 247 00:13:16,801 --> 00:13:18,678 They're all gunning to talk to lust murderers. 248 00:13:18,761 --> 00:13:20,471 They bring nothing to the table. 249 00:13:21,180 --> 00:13:22,180 Tell Wendy. 250 00:13:23,391 --> 00:13:24,517 Okay. 251 00:13:29,981 --> 00:13:31,024 How's this? 252 00:13:37,613 --> 00:13:39,449 Want me to take us to the airport tomorrow? 253 00:13:39,532 --> 00:13:42,660 I decided last night. I'm not going. 254 00:13:42,744 --> 00:13:44,996 - What? - I'm not going back to Oregon. 255 00:13:45,079 --> 00:13:47,165 You expect me to interview Brudos alone? 256 00:13:47,248 --> 00:13:48,291 If you want. 257 00:13:48,374 --> 00:13:50,793 But we were just getting him to open up. 258 00:13:50,877 --> 00:13:52,128 That's why I'm not going. 259 00:13:52,211 --> 00:13:54,005 When did you get so fragile? 260 00:13:54,088 --> 00:13:55,465 [SCOFFS] 261 00:13:56,007 --> 00:13:58,676 Bill... I do not want to do this alone. 262 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,429 So don't. We have a ton of material from last time. 263 00:14:01,512 --> 00:14:02,638 Not nearly enough. 264 00:14:02,722 --> 00:14:04,535 I just came up with a whole new strategy. 265 00:14:04,560 --> 00:14:05,788 Go for it. 266 00:14:06,851 --> 00:14:08,394 You're really not coming. 267 00:14:09,228 --> 00:14:10,438 I'm really not coming. 268 00:14:11,238 --> 00:14:13,708 Okay. Then I'll just show him that one of us 269 00:14:13,733 --> 00:14:15,426 isn't a big, fat, fucking pussy. 270 00:14:16,194 --> 00:14:18,529 Yeah. Show him that. 271 00:14:43,763 --> 00:14:45,932 [CLICKING] 272 00:14:48,226 --> 00:14:49,226 Hi. 273 00:14:51,229 --> 00:14:53,314 - Something wrong? - I can't close my recorder. 274 00:14:53,398 --> 00:14:54,524 Give it to me. 275 00:14:55,441 --> 00:14:56,484 Thank you. 276 00:14:57,318 --> 00:14:58,736 I'm pretty handy. 277 00:14:59,904 --> 00:15:04,659 I'm one of the only... inmates 278 00:15:04,742 --> 00:15:07,203 they allow in hobby shop. 279 00:15:07,286 --> 00:15:08,329 Really? 280 00:15:08,413 --> 00:15:11,749 Yeah. I can use scissors under supervision. 281 00:15:12,917 --> 00:15:14,544 Leather boring tools. 282 00:15:14,627 --> 00:15:16,963 The parole board should really take that into account. 283 00:15:17,046 --> 00:15:19,298 - And we're live. - Okay. 284 00:15:19,382 --> 00:15:21,050 So, uh, today... 285 00:15:21,801 --> 00:15:24,178 - I'd like to pick up with things... - Where's Bill? 286 00:15:25,721 --> 00:15:28,057 - He couldn't be here this time. - Did I scare him off? 287 00:15:28,141 --> 00:15:29,183 No. Uh... 288 00:15:29,267 --> 00:15:31,352 We're doing some hiring back at the office. 289 00:15:31,436 --> 00:15:32,854 Fresh meat for the mill? 290 00:15:33,980 --> 00:15:35,857 - That's exactly right. - [CHUCKLES] 291 00:15:38,901 --> 00:15:40,153 Bill, I miss you. 292 00:15:40,611 --> 00:15:42,029 Please come back. 293 00:15:42,530 --> 00:15:43,906 [LAUGHS] 294 00:15:45,366 --> 00:15:46,927 Okay. I'd like to take it 295 00:15:46,952 --> 00:15:48,626 from the murder of the second girl, Jane Weber. 296 00:15:48,651 --> 00:15:49,679 Okay. 297 00:15:49,704 --> 00:15:52,123 Her car broke down on the highway, you pulled over. 298 00:15:52,206 --> 00:15:54,459 - Yeah, helped her out. - How did you help her? 299 00:15:54,959 --> 00:15:57,211 Said, "Let's go home, we'll call a mechanic." 300 00:15:57,795 --> 00:15:59,380 - Home to your house? - Yeah. 301 00:15:59,464 --> 00:16:02,633 - Did you call the mechanic? - Didn't get that far. 302 00:16:03,153 --> 00:16:04,153 Why not? 303 00:16:04,177 --> 00:16:06,179 She was interested in my photography. 304 00:16:07,597 --> 00:16:09,849 - Did she also want to be a model? - Yeah. 305 00:16:10,391 --> 00:16:12,643 Funny how all these girls you met wanted that. 306 00:16:12,727 --> 00:16:14,812 Women like men to pay attention to 'em. 307 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:16,731 So, did you... 308 00:16:17,690 --> 00:16:20,234 - Invited her to the garage. - Mm-hmm. 309 00:16:20,318 --> 00:16:22,153 - Took some photos... - What kind of photos? 310 00:16:22,236 --> 00:16:23,654 You know, headshots. 311 00:16:24,947 --> 00:16:26,824 Right. And after these headshots... 312 00:16:26,908 --> 00:16:28,743 She decided to walk home. 313 00:16:29,702 --> 00:16:31,454 And that's the last you saw of her. 314 00:16:31,537 --> 00:16:33,581 Last anyone saw of her, as far as I remember. 315 00:16:34,373 --> 00:16:36,413 Her body was found in the Willamette River 316 00:16:36,438 --> 00:16:37,901 tied to an auto transmission 317 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:39,170 to weigh it down. 318 00:16:39,879 --> 00:16:42,131 The transmission was traced back to a car that you owned. 319 00:16:42,215 --> 00:16:43,341 Yeah, I know. 320 00:16:45,468 --> 00:16:46,511 You have any smokes? 321 00:16:47,595 --> 00:16:48,596 Yeah. 322 00:16:49,472 --> 00:16:51,891 So was that all part of the police plot? 323 00:16:51,974 --> 00:16:53,017 Oh, yeah. 324 00:16:53,518 --> 00:16:56,938 The transmission, the photos, the foot... all of it. 325 00:16:59,482 --> 00:17:00,566 Well... 326 00:17:01,901 --> 00:17:03,778 someone killed those girls. 327 00:17:04,654 --> 00:17:06,989 Yeah, I know. I have a whole theory about that. 328 00:17:07,573 --> 00:17:08,574 Really? 329 00:17:09,116 --> 00:17:10,116 Let's hear it. 330 00:17:10,159 --> 00:17:14,288 Well... these girls are disappearing. 331 00:17:14,372 --> 00:17:16,791 Body parts showing up in the river. Police get involved. 332 00:17:16,874 --> 00:17:19,877 The killer realizes things are heating up and splits. 333 00:17:20,336 --> 00:17:25,216 Probably chopping up girls in Seattle, Idaho, Canada, as we speak. 334 00:17:25,299 --> 00:17:27,260 Meanwhile, they need to blame someone. 335 00:17:27,677 --> 00:17:29,595 They catch me sniffing around some coeds. 336 00:17:29,679 --> 00:17:31,347 I'm not saying I'm an angel. 337 00:17:31,472 --> 00:17:33,432 Search my house, find a few pairs of shoes, 338 00:17:33,516 --> 00:17:36,018 decide I'm their fall guy. 339 00:17:37,019 --> 00:17:40,273 Everyone feels safe, DA gets re-elected, yada yada yada. 340 00:17:41,399 --> 00:17:44,485 It is a pretty big coincidence that you met a couple of the girls 341 00:17:44,569 --> 00:17:45,736 that became his victims. 342 00:17:45,820 --> 00:17:47,029 Huge coincidence. 343 00:17:49,198 --> 00:17:52,285 Do you think that he... planned his attacks? 344 00:17:55,413 --> 00:17:58,291 Maybe the first one fell into his lap, 345 00:17:58,833 --> 00:18:02,962 but then maybe after that, he got a taste for it. 346 00:18:03,045 --> 00:18:05,631 Oh. Now that's interesting. 347 00:18:05,715 --> 00:18:08,509 Because there were no photos of the first girl, right? 348 00:18:10,303 --> 00:18:13,139 But the other three, it was like he was prepared. 349 00:18:15,016 --> 00:18:18,811 Do you think that even before the first one, 350 00:18:18,894 --> 00:18:21,731 he fantasized about murdering a woman? 351 00:18:21,814 --> 00:18:22,940 Definitely. 352 00:18:24,609 --> 00:18:26,360 What do you think he fantasized about? 353 00:18:28,029 --> 00:18:30,740 Choking them, chopping them up, all that stuff they said I did. 354 00:18:31,657 --> 00:18:35,703 So the murders were just an extension of thoughts he already had, 355 00:18:35,786 --> 00:18:37,038 maybe for a long time. 356 00:18:37,121 --> 00:18:39,624 You'd have to think about it pretty hard to go through with it. 357 00:18:39,707 --> 00:18:42,668 You'd have to be... driven. [LAUGHS] 358 00:18:42,752 --> 00:18:44,295 You mean like, out of control? 359 00:18:44,879 --> 00:18:48,883 Maybe his real life was out of control, but his fantasy life was... 360 00:18:48,966 --> 00:18:52,470 A... place where he could feel powerful. 361 00:18:52,553 --> 00:18:54,305 - Makes sense. - But then why... 362 00:18:56,265 --> 00:18:57,391 For example... 363 00:18:58,809 --> 00:19:00,895 Laura Sullivan was hit from behind. 364 00:19:00,978 --> 00:19:03,564 Jane Weber was choked from behind. 365 00:19:04,523 --> 00:19:06,150 Why would he do it that way? 366 00:19:08,194 --> 00:19:09,945 Didn't want them looking at him? 367 00:19:11,113 --> 00:19:12,114 Why not? 368 00:19:13,032 --> 00:19:16,452 It might not have been about watching them die. 369 00:19:16,535 --> 00:19:19,580 You know, because then he would have tortured them, right? 370 00:19:19,955 --> 00:19:23,584 It might just been about having them quiet. 371 00:19:25,378 --> 00:19:28,130 So that he could play with them? 372 00:19:28,214 --> 00:19:31,342 Like you'd play with a doll? 373 00:19:31,842 --> 00:19:35,513 Yeah, there were all these photos of 'em in different positions. 374 00:19:35,596 --> 00:19:37,264 - Have intercourse with them? - Sure. 375 00:19:37,348 --> 00:19:40,059 But then he played with some of them before they died, as well. 376 00:19:40,142 --> 00:19:42,323 Kathy Schmidt was photographed 377 00:19:42,348 --> 00:19:44,421 in a piece of lingerie that was not hers. 378 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,190 Oh, she probably liked that. 379 00:19:46,732 --> 00:19:49,193 Well, she was kidnapped from a parking garage. 380 00:19:49,276 --> 00:19:51,070 How do you know she was kidnapped? 381 00:19:51,404 --> 00:19:53,072 You think she went willingly? 382 00:19:54,407 --> 00:19:56,617 All I'm saying is, all the women I meet... 383 00:19:57,201 --> 00:19:58,327 Want to be models. 384 00:19:59,620 --> 00:20:03,165 So do you think that with Kathy Schmidt it was consensual, 385 00:20:03,249 --> 00:20:06,377 she didn't realize that she was going to be killed? 386 00:20:07,420 --> 00:20:09,463 She may have been getting the feeling, you know. 387 00:20:09,547 --> 00:20:12,925 I mean, he may have made it clear at a certain point 388 00:20:13,008 --> 00:20:16,512 that she needed to take the pictures if she wanted him to let her go. 389 00:20:17,638 --> 00:20:19,682 - She was playing along. - Yeah. 390 00:20:21,225 --> 00:20:22,977 Do you think the killer enjoyed that, too? 391 00:20:23,978 --> 00:20:26,188 He might've thought that's what you get. 392 00:20:26,647 --> 00:20:29,817 That's what you get when you want to be a model? 393 00:20:30,735 --> 00:20:32,862 When you want people to look at you. 394 00:20:37,116 --> 00:20:39,952 Do you think that the killer found it exciting to, uh... 395 00:20:40,786 --> 00:20:44,123 get some of that control back in his real life? 396 00:20:44,206 --> 00:20:45,374 Oh, yeah. 397 00:20:45,458 --> 00:20:47,168 Probably made him want more. 398 00:20:48,544 --> 00:20:50,671 After he got a taste for it, like you said. 399 00:20:50,755 --> 00:20:52,339 After he got a taste. 400 00:20:54,133 --> 00:20:57,303 I guess... we all have fantasies, don't we? 401 00:20:58,137 --> 00:21:00,598 I can remember my first fantasy of girls. 402 00:21:00,681 --> 00:21:02,057 [BRUDOS CHUCKLES] 403 00:21:02,141 --> 00:21:03,141 What, um... 404 00:21:05,311 --> 00:21:06,854 What was your first fantasy? 405 00:21:06,937 --> 00:21:08,689 Oh... [EXHALES] 406 00:21:10,024 --> 00:21:12,359 Must have been... nine or ten. 407 00:21:14,403 --> 00:21:17,281 There was a woman in a tunnel. I'd trapped her there. 408 00:21:19,074 --> 00:21:22,369 She was like this white shape in the darkness. 409 00:21:23,120 --> 00:21:24,705 I made her do things. 410 00:21:25,581 --> 00:21:28,250 At that point, there wasn't even anything sexual about it. 411 00:21:28,334 --> 00:21:30,002 I just remember her... 412 00:21:31,003 --> 00:21:35,174 begging for... mercy. 413 00:21:38,177 --> 00:21:40,054 Do you still have fantasies, Jerry? 414 00:21:43,808 --> 00:21:45,309 No. I don't. 415 00:21:46,685 --> 00:21:48,479 Tell the parole board that. 416 00:21:53,526 --> 00:21:55,528 Day three, he takes the stand. 417 00:21:55,611 --> 00:21:57,488 Now we knew he was lying, 418 00:21:57,571 --> 00:21:59,323 but it could've gone either way 419 00:21:59,406 --> 00:22:01,617 because he had two other Klansmen to back him up. 420 00:22:01,700 --> 00:22:04,078 So after lunch, I waited for cross-examination. 421 00:22:04,161 --> 00:22:06,205 I slide right behind his girlfriend. 422 00:22:06,288 --> 00:22:08,457 I drape my arm across the back of her bench, 423 00:22:08,541 --> 00:22:10,417 I lean in real close, so, uh... 424 00:22:14,171 --> 00:22:15,673 The guy's eyes bug out. 425 00:22:15,756 --> 00:22:18,551 He starts stammering, he comes completely unglued, 426 00:22:18,634 --> 00:22:20,719 - and we get a conviction. - [CARR] Amazing. 427 00:22:20,803 --> 00:22:23,222 - [MAN] Thirteen years. [LAUGHS] - [TENCH] That is great. 428 00:22:23,305 --> 00:22:24,682 Great stories, Jim. 429 00:22:25,307 --> 00:22:26,934 So nice to meet you. 430 00:22:27,017 --> 00:22:28,894 Thanks for coming all the way up from Atlanta. 431 00:22:28,978 --> 00:22:30,854 Word is out y'all are onto something big. 432 00:22:30,879 --> 00:22:32,626 I couldn't wait to see for myself. 433 00:22:32,651 --> 00:22:34,177 [CARR] I hope we lived up to the hype. 434 00:22:34,202 --> 00:22:35,787 Oh, you surpassed it. 435 00:22:37,111 --> 00:22:40,072 We have to meet a few more people, but we can let you know soon. 436 00:22:40,155 --> 00:22:42,950 I'll say it one more time, I'd love to join the team. 437 00:22:43,033 --> 00:22:45,202 - We'd love to have you. - Thank you. 438 00:22:54,461 --> 00:22:55,629 He's black. 439 00:22:55,713 --> 00:22:57,006 Nothing gets past you. 440 00:22:57,631 --> 00:23:00,134 He's our best candidate. I think we should hire him. 441 00:23:00,224 --> 00:23:01,897 Our list of potential subjects are 442 00:23:01,922 --> 00:23:04,461 80, 90 percent white and probably racist. 443 00:23:04,513 --> 00:23:05,764 Does that mean no? 444 00:23:05,848 --> 00:23:08,392 He could incite a response that affects the study. 445 00:23:08,475 --> 00:23:09,560 That means no. 446 00:23:10,352 --> 00:23:13,355 Don't put that on his assessment. We can't be seen as racists. 447 00:23:13,439 --> 00:23:15,316 I thought our newbies would be transcribing. 448 00:23:15,399 --> 00:23:16,399 Did Brudos behave? 449 00:23:17,484 --> 00:23:18,736 He was almost pleasant. 450 00:23:19,278 --> 00:23:21,447 Seems repeat visits are important. 451 00:23:22,364 --> 00:23:24,950 Did you confide in him about your cum sock? 452 00:23:25,826 --> 00:23:28,329 Our new team member will train with transcription, 453 00:23:28,412 --> 00:23:31,040 but we're looking for someone that has operations experience 454 00:23:31,123 --> 00:23:33,334 so that we can expand our subjects' interviews. 455 00:23:33,417 --> 00:23:35,961 - Especially if Bill keeps wussing out. - Stop whining. 456 00:23:36,629 --> 00:23:37,755 How many have you seen? 457 00:23:37,838 --> 00:23:40,758 Oh, I didn't think you were interested in the process. 458 00:23:42,259 --> 00:23:45,095 Well, look, the gang's all here. Come in. 459 00:23:45,179 --> 00:23:47,931 This is Gregg Smith, he's one of your candidates. 460 00:23:48,015 --> 00:23:50,934 Gregg's done a lot of work in the field, he's a talented agent. 461 00:23:51,018 --> 00:23:53,854 His dad and I studied pre-law together at Dartmouth. 462 00:23:54,647 --> 00:23:56,357 I hope you give him a good shake. 463 00:24:04,490 --> 00:24:09,119 It's dark and all I see is his knuckles gripping the stock, 464 00:24:09,203 --> 00:24:12,247 and he's yelling, "Halt! Police! Drop the gun!" 465 00:24:12,708 --> 00:24:15,294 I realize this guy is about to shoot me. 466 00:24:15,319 --> 00:24:16,512 Whoa. 467 00:24:16,669 --> 00:24:19,713 And then I hear Mike yell, "He's an FBI agent!" 468 00:24:20,506 --> 00:24:21,674 He saved my life. 469 00:24:22,508 --> 00:24:24,760 Because I was frozen, I couldn't speak. 470 00:24:24,843 --> 00:24:27,930 Uniform lowers his shotgun, and we take off again after the driver. 471 00:24:28,013 --> 00:24:31,100 Mike catches him and nearly beats the flimflam out of him 472 00:24:31,183 --> 00:24:34,269 because he's so keyed up after watching me almost get blown away. 473 00:24:34,353 --> 00:24:37,564 I had to pull him off the guy. But anyway... 474 00:24:38,732 --> 00:24:39,732 a great partner. 475 00:24:39,775 --> 00:24:43,195 Well, you did your partner a good deed. I bet he's grateful. 476 00:24:43,278 --> 00:24:47,282 The guys call me "The Padre" and they come to confession at my desk. 477 00:24:47,366 --> 00:24:48,701 You Catholic? 478 00:24:49,702 --> 00:24:51,662 My mother's Catholic, my father's Quaker. 479 00:24:51,745 --> 00:24:53,622 - [TENCH] No shit. - How does that work? 480 00:24:54,206 --> 00:24:56,875 Our family joke was that we'd never run out of guilt or oats. 481 00:24:56,959 --> 00:24:58,961 - [TENCH LAUGHS] - [CARR] Are you religious? 482 00:24:59,044 --> 00:25:00,546 - Yes, ma'am. - Dr. Carr. 483 00:25:01,338 --> 00:25:02,338 Doctor. Yes. 484 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,385 I have to admit that as a kid I leaned toward the drama of the Church. 485 00:25:06,468 --> 00:25:08,637 The organ, the incense, 486 00:25:08,721 --> 00:25:10,973 Jesus rising from the dead Easter morning. 487 00:25:11,056 --> 00:25:13,267 Do you believe that Jesus rose from the dead? 488 00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:15,978 I am Christian. So is my wife. 489 00:25:16,562 --> 00:25:18,689 She's Catholic. We've already got two little girls. 490 00:25:18,772 --> 00:25:20,858 We're trying to slow-play the whole big family thing. 491 00:25:20,941 --> 00:25:22,359 Good and evil, right and wrong? 492 00:25:22,443 --> 00:25:24,036 Are these concepts that you believe in? 493 00:25:24,061 --> 00:25:25,470 Yes, I do. 494 00:25:25,529 --> 00:25:27,823 Binary thinking could hamstring you 495 00:25:27,906 --> 00:25:30,367 when it comes to critical assessment of our subjects. 496 00:25:30,451 --> 00:25:32,453 We need to understand the gray areas. 497 00:25:32,536 --> 00:25:36,540 The world is complex, I get that. I can check my judgment at the door. 498 00:25:36,623 --> 00:25:38,316 The people we work with have done things 499 00:25:38,341 --> 00:25:39,984 that you don't even want to imagine. 500 00:25:40,023 --> 00:25:41,509 I've read some of your cases. 501 00:25:41,534 --> 00:25:43,003 [HOLDEN] It's one thing to read about it. 502 00:25:43,046 --> 00:25:44,641 It's another to sit three feet away 503 00:25:44,666 --> 00:25:46,199 from a guy who's delighted to tell you 504 00:25:46,258 --> 00:25:48,927 how hard it was to stick his dick in his mother's neck 505 00:25:49,011 --> 00:25:50,345 after he sawed off her head. 506 00:25:52,598 --> 00:25:54,516 What made you apply for the study? 507 00:25:55,934 --> 00:25:56,934 My daughters. 508 00:25:58,061 --> 00:26:00,189 When I hear about girls disappearing... 509 00:26:01,106 --> 00:26:02,672 This may sound corny, but I want to make 510 00:26:02,697 --> 00:26:04,425 the world a safer place for them. 511 00:26:05,068 --> 00:26:08,405 He's smart. He's a family guy. He knows what's at stake. 512 00:26:08,489 --> 00:26:11,742 Ugh! He's got you wrapped around his little Ivy League finger. 513 00:26:11,825 --> 00:26:13,869 - You think it's an act? - He's a mole for Shepard. 514 00:26:13,952 --> 00:26:15,272 - Come on. - [HOLDEN] I'm serious. 515 00:26:15,296 --> 00:26:17,372 When's the last time Shepard came down here? 516 00:26:17,456 --> 00:26:20,667 He's trying to make sure we're not smearing the good name of the FBI. 517 00:26:20,751 --> 00:26:22,586 Don't kid yourself. We need Shepard. 518 00:26:22,669 --> 00:26:26,131 His heart's in the right place. I think Agent Smith is earnest. 519 00:26:26,215 --> 00:26:29,426 - And that's a good thing? - What about a trial period? 520 00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:31,762 To see if we can beat the flimflam out of him? 521 00:27:43,709 --> 00:27:44,835 What's going on? 522 00:27:45,961 --> 00:27:47,170 Just seeing what he can take. 523 00:27:48,130 --> 00:27:51,008 - [TENCH] What do you got him on? - [HOLDEN] Bittaker and Norris. 524 00:27:52,467 --> 00:27:54,420 Are you trying to get rid of this guy? 525 00:27:54,540 --> 00:27:56,437 So listen. This thing with Roger Wade... 526 00:27:56,462 --> 00:27:57,503 Who? 527 00:27:57,528 --> 00:27:59,435 The principal at Shady Lane Elementary. 528 00:27:59,743 --> 00:28:00,743 The foot tickler? 529 00:28:00,767 --> 00:28:03,487 After I talked to the superintendent, the school board had a meeting. 530 00:28:03,570 --> 00:28:06,323 - You've got to be kidding. - They're begging us to look into it. 531 00:28:06,406 --> 00:28:08,358 - They're begging? - They're... asking. 532 00:28:08,442 --> 00:28:10,102 Our LEAA review is coming up, 533 00:28:10,128 --> 00:28:11,623 what are you still doing on this goose chase? 534 00:28:11,648 --> 00:28:14,615 Gregg can finish the paperwork. Let's give this a day. 535 00:28:14,698 --> 00:28:17,459 - There are meaningful signs here. - You're not dragging me into this. 536 00:28:17,534 --> 00:28:19,734 What's the point if we don't apply it to the real world? 537 00:28:19,786 --> 00:28:21,499 We're trying to save women from getting 538 00:28:21,524 --> 00:28:23,606 pulled into vans and cut to pieces, 539 00:28:23,665 --> 00:28:26,209 not crucify some schoolmarm who hasn't done anything. 540 00:28:26,293 --> 00:28:29,463 Yet. Certainly our goal is to be preemptive. 541 00:28:30,255 --> 00:28:32,883 We're the FBI, Holden. That is not our goal. 542 00:28:33,675 --> 00:28:34,675 Yet. 543 00:28:43,268 --> 00:28:46,230 [HIGH-PITCHED NOISE FROM HEADPHONES] 544 00:28:47,064 --> 00:28:48,064 [HOLDEN] So... 545 00:28:49,608 --> 00:28:51,026 still want this job? 546 00:28:52,069 --> 00:28:55,197 The students certainly don't complain. They enjoy the contact. 547 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,075 Yes, but as you said to me when I was here before, 548 00:28:58,158 --> 00:28:59,878 it might be best for parents to determine... 549 00:28:59,902 --> 00:29:01,662 We are a community. 550 00:29:01,745 --> 00:29:03,997 And I want the children to know that. 551 00:29:04,081 --> 00:29:05,624 In the five years that I've been here, 552 00:29:05,707 --> 00:29:08,335 their test scores have gone up almost 30 percent. 553 00:29:08,418 --> 00:29:10,462 And it's not because I'm a strict disciplinarian, 554 00:29:10,545 --> 00:29:13,131 or I pile on the homework, or I cut recess. 555 00:29:13,715 --> 00:29:17,427 It is because I apply a personal touch. 556 00:29:17,928 --> 00:29:20,639 - These children matter to me. - That is quite clear. 557 00:29:20,722 --> 00:29:24,101 We have special games, sports, 558 00:29:24,184 --> 00:29:26,853 art projects, teamwork activities. 559 00:29:26,937 --> 00:29:29,731 I am teaching happiness. 560 00:29:29,815 --> 00:29:32,651 With all of that, why the need to tickle? 561 00:29:33,485 --> 00:29:35,404 All right, let me give you an example. 562 00:29:36,154 --> 00:29:38,198 We had this child, six years old, 563 00:29:38,282 --> 00:29:40,617 who said he sprained his ankle playing kickball 564 00:29:40,701 --> 00:29:42,536 and didn't want to go to class. 565 00:29:42,619 --> 00:29:45,914 The nurse calls me down because his ankle is not swollen, 566 00:29:45,998 --> 00:29:47,708 but he's still claiming that it hurts. 567 00:29:47,791 --> 00:29:50,919 Now... I don't want to call him a liar. 568 00:29:51,837 --> 00:29:54,464 So, I wiggle his big toe. 569 00:29:55,173 --> 00:29:57,384 Does it hurt when this little piggy goes to market? 570 00:29:58,302 --> 00:30:02,055 How about when this little piggy stays home? He smiles. 571 00:30:02,139 --> 00:30:04,599 He says that it tickles. So I tickle his feet. 572 00:30:04,683 --> 00:30:07,269 The next thing I know, he's laughing. 573 00:30:07,352 --> 00:30:10,314 He's happy, he goes back to class. 574 00:30:10,397 --> 00:30:13,108 - Did you also give him a nickel? - I'm sure I did. 575 00:30:13,191 --> 00:30:16,028 So the next time he goes to the store, he can get himself... 576 00:30:16,361 --> 00:30:18,189 What can you get for a nickel these days? 577 00:30:18,214 --> 00:30:19,323 A piece of bubble gum? 578 00:30:19,348 --> 00:30:20,432 Exactly. 579 00:30:21,533 --> 00:30:24,411 Agent Ford, you're blowing this out of proportion. 580 00:30:24,911 --> 00:30:26,695 [HOLDEN] We need to work on your interview technique. 581 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,308 Sorry, was I supposed to be hard on him? 582 00:30:28,333 --> 00:30:29,684 You shouldn't team up. 583 00:30:31,043 --> 00:30:33,628 Did you think that "piggy goes to market" stuff was weird? 584 00:30:33,712 --> 00:30:36,006 Oh, my kids love "Piggy Goes to the Market." 585 00:30:36,089 --> 00:30:39,009 - Yeah, your kids love it from you. - A tickle's a tickle. 586 00:30:40,844 --> 00:30:42,804 Maybe that's all it is, but... 587 00:30:44,014 --> 00:30:48,518 if there is a sexual angle, Roger would no doubt be good at hiding it. 588 00:30:49,436 --> 00:30:51,636 When Kemper went in for his last psychiatric evaluation, 589 00:30:51,688 --> 00:30:54,941 he had a 15-year-old girl's head in the trunk of his car. 590 00:30:55,817 --> 00:30:58,570 It gave him a thrill to persuade the committee successfully 591 00:30:58,653 --> 00:31:00,447 that he was over his psychological problems, 592 00:31:00,530 --> 00:31:02,157 knowing that he had a trophy outside. 593 00:31:03,241 --> 00:31:04,618 Isn't that kind of extreme? 594 00:31:04,701 --> 00:31:07,120 - [CHILDREN CHATTERING] - You get the idea. 595 00:31:10,582 --> 00:31:14,086 I'm glad Janet finally did something. Someone had to. 596 00:31:14,169 --> 00:31:16,254 So you don't approve of Roger's behavior? 597 00:31:16,338 --> 00:31:19,049 I've always thought that tickling was bizarre enough, 598 00:31:19,549 --> 00:31:21,259 but I get parents coming to me, 599 00:31:21,343 --> 00:31:23,929 asking why their children suddenly have pocket change. 600 00:31:24,012 --> 00:31:25,680 How long has this gone on for? 601 00:31:25,764 --> 00:31:27,641 I've only been at Shady Lane two years. 602 00:31:27,724 --> 00:31:29,810 It sounds like it goes back further than that. 603 00:31:29,893 --> 00:31:32,270 Why are parents complaining to you? Why not go to Roger? 604 00:31:32,354 --> 00:31:34,516 He brushes them off, he's unapologetic, 605 00:31:34,541 --> 00:31:36,424 and he's a big deal around here. 606 00:31:37,067 --> 00:31:39,528 I agreed to meet with you so I could share my thoughts, 607 00:31:39,611 --> 00:31:41,321 but I hope it doesn't get back to him. 608 00:31:41,405 --> 00:31:43,698 - You think he'd retaliate? - I don't know. 609 00:31:43,782 --> 00:31:46,493 It's a small school, everyone seems to know about the tickling. 610 00:31:46,576 --> 00:31:48,870 How do the children respond to his tickling? 611 00:31:48,954 --> 00:31:50,205 They endure it. 612 00:31:50,288 --> 00:31:52,249 They know they're going to get paid. 613 00:31:52,582 --> 00:31:54,376 I have students coming back from his office, 614 00:31:54,459 --> 00:31:56,128 showing off their earnings. 615 00:31:56,211 --> 00:31:58,463 What did you think of Roger when you first came here, 616 00:31:58,547 --> 00:32:00,173 before you knew about this? 617 00:32:01,174 --> 00:32:02,676 I thought he was smug. 618 00:32:03,385 --> 00:32:05,971 I transferred because I heard how great this place is, 619 00:32:06,054 --> 00:32:08,473 but then that's all he talks about. 620 00:32:08,557 --> 00:32:10,434 He really toots his own horn. 621 00:32:10,892 --> 00:32:13,145 The teachers are supposed to be cheerleaders. 622 00:32:13,353 --> 00:32:16,398 And I've always been uncomfortable with how he handles the children. 623 00:32:16,481 --> 00:32:19,192 - What do you mean? - He's always fussing over them. 624 00:32:19,276 --> 00:32:20,152 [HOLDEN] "Fussing"? 625 00:32:20,235 --> 00:32:23,363 Well, it's always touchy-touchy and cutesey-cutesey. [SCOFFS] 626 00:32:24,281 --> 00:32:26,950 Mrs. Clark, could you make a list of parents and teachers 627 00:32:27,033 --> 00:32:28,452 that feel the same way? 628 00:32:29,202 --> 00:32:30,537 We're meeting with a handful, 629 00:32:30,620 --> 00:32:33,206 but we'd like to get a sense of the whole picture. 630 00:32:35,041 --> 00:32:36,209 Is something wrong? 631 00:32:36,293 --> 00:32:39,379 I don't want a witch hunt. I'm not vindictive. 632 00:32:39,921 --> 00:32:41,381 I just wish he'd listen. 633 00:32:41,923 --> 00:32:43,383 [WOMAN] The students love Roger. 634 00:32:43,467 --> 00:32:46,887 When he visits the class, I know it's going to be an easier day. 635 00:32:46,970 --> 00:32:50,307 He can turn a moody room into an eager one just by walking in. 636 00:32:50,390 --> 00:32:52,017 You've heard about the tickling? 637 00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:53,435 Of course. 638 00:32:53,518 --> 00:32:55,718 When my kids come back from his office, they seem happy. 639 00:32:55,742 --> 00:32:56,855 What do you think about it? 640 00:32:56,938 --> 00:32:57,939 It's wonderful. 641 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,275 He turns punishment into play. 642 00:33:00,358 --> 00:33:02,319 He makes it a positive experience. 643 00:33:02,402 --> 00:33:03,908 Nothing could be better for them. 644 00:33:03,933 --> 00:33:05,804 Have you had any parent complaints? 645 00:33:05,864 --> 00:33:09,743 The parents I've talked to are thrilled. Except about property taxes. 646 00:33:09,826 --> 00:33:12,370 Shady Lane has made this a desirable neighborhood. 647 00:33:13,121 --> 00:33:14,623 What do you think of Janet Ebner? 648 00:33:15,749 --> 00:33:19,252 Well, I don't like to speak ill of people, but she's a busybody. 649 00:33:20,003 --> 00:33:21,838 What do you think of Mrs. Clark? 650 00:33:21,922 --> 00:33:22,922 She's a crab. 651 00:33:24,758 --> 00:33:27,135 Okay. I think that's all we need. 652 00:33:28,845 --> 00:33:30,605 - Thank you for talking with us. - Thank you. 653 00:33:30,629 --> 00:33:32,631 - So nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you. 654 00:33:34,643 --> 00:33:37,479 He came home from Steve's house and his tongue was blue. 655 00:33:37,979 --> 00:33:41,399 It's not like Steve's mom to give him candy, so I questioned him. 656 00:33:41,483 --> 00:33:43,471 Found out they walked to the corner store 657 00:33:43,496 --> 00:33:45,177 without asking, and bought Pop Rocks. 658 00:33:45,237 --> 00:33:46,821 Boys will be boys. 659 00:33:46,905 --> 00:33:48,114 That's not the point. 660 00:33:49,449 --> 00:33:52,089 We're, uh, in discussions about how much leeway 661 00:33:52,114 --> 00:33:54,019 Jason is allowed at this age. 662 00:33:54,621 --> 00:33:58,708 Anyway, he's evasive when I ask him where he got the money. 663 00:33:58,792 --> 00:34:00,205 So, I call Steve's mom. 664 00:34:00,238 --> 00:34:02,695 She's having the same conversation with her son. 665 00:34:02,754 --> 00:34:04,923 Turns out they got it from Roger. 666 00:34:05,006 --> 00:34:06,341 The principal... 667 00:34:06,424 --> 00:34:08,635 giving them money without telling the parents. 668 00:34:08,718 --> 00:34:10,506 But then we find out, 669 00:34:10,531 --> 00:34:13,163 and this is why Jason wouldn't tell me in the first place, 670 00:34:13,765 --> 00:34:15,605 he and Steve were fighting on the playground... 671 00:34:15,688 --> 00:34:18,008 They were kicking mud at each other, they weren't fighting. 672 00:34:18,066 --> 00:34:21,356 They were fighting, they got sent to Roger's office. 673 00:34:21,439 --> 00:34:25,026 He seats them side by side, makes them take off their shoes and socks, 674 00:34:25,110 --> 00:34:27,862 and does this double tickling thing. 675 00:34:27,946 --> 00:34:30,031 Was Jason uncomfortable with the tickling? 676 00:34:30,115 --> 00:34:32,409 I don't think Jason understood that it was inappropriate. 677 00:34:32,492 --> 00:34:35,662 No, he wasn't uncomfortable. The boys made up again, all buddy-buddy. 678 00:34:35,745 --> 00:34:38,081 But they're nine-year-olds. Almost ten. 679 00:34:38,582 --> 00:34:41,126 I could see it if they were toddlers, if this was preschool. 680 00:34:41,209 --> 00:34:42,669 And then there's the money. 681 00:34:42,752 --> 00:34:45,255 - And you went to Roger? - [MAN] Yeah. We sat down with him. 682 00:34:45,338 --> 00:34:47,674 He made it sound like we were perverts for even asking. 683 00:34:47,757 --> 00:34:52,304 How dare we deny our boy the, um, affection that he provides? 684 00:34:52,387 --> 00:34:55,223 Something like that. I came away with the strangest feeling. 685 00:34:55,307 --> 00:34:58,685 Yeah, I mean, if you don't want people touching your kid... 686 00:34:58,768 --> 00:35:01,062 A middle-aged man touching your child's feet. 687 00:35:01,146 --> 00:35:03,356 You should be able to tell them stop. 688 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:04,816 Did you ask him to stop? 689 00:35:04,899 --> 00:35:07,861 - Absolutely. And he said... - Oh, yeah, listen to this. 690 00:35:08,903 --> 00:35:12,157 "My covenant is not with you, it's with your son." 691 00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:14,200 "Covenant"? He used that word? 692 00:35:14,284 --> 00:35:15,535 [WOMAN] Yes. 693 00:35:15,619 --> 00:35:16,745 Is he religious? 694 00:35:16,828 --> 00:35:18,997 - I don't know. - [GREGG] It's an odd choice. 695 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,290 The whole thing is odd. 696 00:35:23,001 --> 00:35:24,753 What do you think should be done about him? 697 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,464 Well, I thought about suing. 698 00:35:27,881 --> 00:35:30,091 We want to protect Jason, 699 00:35:30,175 --> 00:35:31,635 but we aren't sure. 700 00:35:32,260 --> 00:35:35,347 And he wasn't traumatized. I mean, quite the opposite. 701 00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:37,363 We thought you might have suggestions, 702 00:35:37,419 --> 00:35:39,038 because we don't know what to do. 703 00:35:39,476 --> 00:35:40,560 Yeah, we don't know. 704 00:35:40,644 --> 00:35:42,604 That's the third set of parents who don't like it. 705 00:35:42,628 --> 00:35:44,963 - I guess they should have a say. - I think they should. 706 00:35:45,047 --> 00:35:47,233 But is there anything going on? Is Roger dangerous? 707 00:35:47,317 --> 00:35:49,235 Everyone seems to agree the children don't mind. 708 00:35:49,319 --> 00:35:50,570 What about when one does? 709 00:35:50,654 --> 00:35:53,054 Brudos kept his urges in check until something triggered him. 710 00:35:53,078 --> 00:35:54,866 After that, everything escalated. 711 00:35:54,949 --> 00:35:57,619 - What if a kid decides to resist Roger? - I read the Brudos files. 712 00:35:57,702 --> 00:35:59,310 He had a history of offenses. 713 00:35:59,335 --> 00:36:01,105 I know it's a leap, but there is a correlation. 714 00:36:01,164 --> 00:36:02,903 I don't think Roger can help himself 715 00:36:02,928 --> 00:36:04,650 any more than Brudos could stop killing. 716 00:36:04,675 --> 00:36:06,544 In fact, giving them money might encourage them 717 00:36:06,569 --> 00:36:08,538 to go to his office for "punishment." 718 00:36:09,339 --> 00:36:11,299 - Why don't we ask him to stop? - People have. 719 00:36:11,383 --> 00:36:14,094 Let's tell him then. We're the fucking FBI. 720 00:36:32,737 --> 00:36:34,953 [ROGER] Let's see if Mrs. Lane can 721 00:36:34,978 --> 00:36:37,209 come by in the morning, before school. 722 00:36:37,492 --> 00:36:40,537 It's her first year and I think she's having some trouble 723 00:36:40,620 --> 00:36:41,955 managing her students. 724 00:36:42,038 --> 00:36:43,415 Mr. Wade, can we talk? 725 00:36:44,582 --> 00:36:46,084 And, um, let's make a note 726 00:36:46,167 --> 00:36:48,247 - I've signed off on the lesson plan... - In private? 727 00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:51,631 Thank you. 728 00:36:59,681 --> 00:37:01,516 After speaking with parents and teachers, 729 00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:04,269 we're advising you to stop touching the children. 730 00:37:04,352 --> 00:37:05,353 Advising me? 731 00:37:05,437 --> 00:37:07,237 [HOLDEN] It's a trivial activity. 732 00:37:07,290 --> 00:37:09,256 Simply stopping will satisfy everyone. 733 00:37:09,315 --> 00:37:10,775 It is not trivial. 734 00:37:10,859 --> 00:37:13,236 Don't make me sound like some stranger in a raincoat. 735 00:37:13,319 --> 00:37:15,199 We're here at the request of the superintendent. 736 00:37:15,223 --> 00:37:16,223 Really? 737 00:37:16,948 --> 00:37:20,660 The superintendent of the schools sent the FBI to advise me 738 00:37:20,744 --> 00:37:22,746 to stop tickling children? 739 00:37:24,164 --> 00:37:25,832 I have been a principal for 15 years. 740 00:37:25,915 --> 00:37:29,794 There hasn't been a shadow on my record until now. How dare you. 741 00:37:30,503 --> 00:37:35,258 How dare you accuse me of being inappropriate with my own students. 742 00:37:35,341 --> 00:37:37,552 We're not accusing you. Some people are uncomfortable. 743 00:37:37,635 --> 00:37:38,636 You are! 744 00:37:39,262 --> 00:37:41,556 You are uncomfortable, Agent Ford. Why is that? 745 00:37:41,639 --> 00:37:44,220 When I was here for Career Day, you asked me to edit my speech. 746 00:37:44,245 --> 00:37:45,634 You were worried how it would affect 747 00:37:45,659 --> 00:37:47,314 the teachers and students. So I did. 748 00:37:47,338 --> 00:37:49,564 I heard your concerns, I followed your advice. 749 00:37:49,647 --> 00:37:51,775 I am advising you to hear the concerns 750 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,383 of your teachers and your school board... 751 00:37:53,443 --> 00:37:55,540 You didn't know what the hell you were doing that day. 752 00:37:55,565 --> 00:37:56,886 You still don't. 753 00:37:57,265 --> 00:37:59,351 "Deviant." "Torture." "Mutilation." 754 00:37:59,574 --> 00:38:02,827 That is your world, and it has made you paranoid. 755 00:38:02,911 --> 00:38:05,205 That is not my school. 756 00:38:07,791 --> 00:38:08,958 Mr. Wade. 757 00:38:09,626 --> 00:38:11,795 I am telling you this for your own good. 758 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,299 We all have to choose between trust and fear. 759 00:38:16,633 --> 00:38:18,384 If you ever do have children, 760 00:38:18,635 --> 00:38:20,545 I hope that you'll think long and hard 761 00:38:20,570 --> 00:38:22,329 about how you want to raise them. 762 00:38:26,976 --> 00:38:28,394 Did we do the right thing? 763 00:38:29,938 --> 00:38:31,481 Is this a federal issue? 764 00:38:44,410 --> 00:38:46,454 [DOORBELL BUZZES] 765 00:38:52,460 --> 00:38:53,711 Hey. 766 00:38:53,795 --> 00:38:55,922 - You okay? - [EXHALES] 767 00:38:57,298 --> 00:38:59,175 - What are you doing? - Studying. 768 00:39:00,529 --> 00:39:01,529 Can I come in? 769 00:39:01,553 --> 00:39:02,762 I really need to study. 770 00:39:03,429 --> 00:39:04,430 Okay. 771 00:39:06,432 --> 00:39:09,435 - You really have to leave me alone. - I will. I promise. 772 00:39:10,144 --> 00:39:11,896 You gotta promise-promise. 773 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:56,440 What are you reading? 774 00:39:58,484 --> 00:40:01,404 The Presentation of Self in Everyday Life. 775 00:40:04,365 --> 00:40:06,534 - Sounds interesting. - It is interesting. 776 00:40:08,703 --> 00:40:09,996 - What's it about? - Please. 777 00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:12,290 You promised and I really have to finish this. 778 00:40:16,669 --> 00:40:18,838 It could help to describe what you're learning. 779 00:40:22,467 --> 00:40:23,676 Okay. 780 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,511 It's by Erving Goffman. 781 00:40:25,595 --> 00:40:27,805 He posits that life is like theater. 782 00:40:27,889 --> 00:40:30,433 We tailor ourselves to fit the parts that we're playing. 783 00:40:32,078 --> 00:40:33,078 Meaning? 784 00:40:33,102 --> 00:40:36,147 For instance, there's the expectation that girls should be nice, 785 00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:38,107 - that they should smile. - Okay. 786 00:40:38,441 --> 00:40:42,612 You know, I once tried not smiling for a day, and it was really weird. 787 00:40:43,905 --> 00:40:46,157 Why? You're not much of a smiler. 788 00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:49,869 Even so, it made me feel really odd and it freaked people out. 789 00:40:49,953 --> 00:40:52,413 Strangers kept asking, "Are you okay?" 790 00:40:52,497 --> 00:40:53,548 Did you want to smile? 791 00:40:53,573 --> 00:40:55,816 No. Not once I realized what I was doing. 792 00:40:56,334 --> 00:40:59,712 Goffman says we wear these masks to make everyone else comfortable. 793 00:41:00,838 --> 00:41:01,881 Like you and your suits. 794 00:41:01,965 --> 00:41:03,633 We're not talking about my clothes again. 795 00:41:03,716 --> 00:41:06,594 Your suit is your uniform you wear to fit in at Quantico. 796 00:41:06,678 --> 00:41:09,764 - I don't want to fit in. - Everyone is trying to fit in. 797 00:41:09,847 --> 00:41:11,808 Guess that explains your hippie thing, too. 798 00:41:11,891 --> 00:41:13,851 My "hippie" thing? 799 00:41:13,935 --> 00:41:16,562 Your peasant tops, long hair, bracelets, leather sandals. 800 00:41:16,646 --> 00:41:19,232 - Helps you assimilate on campus. - Right. 801 00:41:19,315 --> 00:41:20,733 It's exactly the same. 802 00:41:20,817 --> 00:41:22,652 What would you wear if no one were looking? 803 00:41:22,735 --> 00:41:25,113 Probably nothing. What about you? 804 00:41:26,572 --> 00:41:29,242 - I'd wear my suit. - [LAUGHS] So sad. 805 00:41:31,619 --> 00:41:34,580 I wonder if that's why everyone's so confused about Roger. 806 00:41:36,332 --> 00:41:40,503 He's taking an activity normally reserved for family members at home 807 00:41:40,586 --> 00:41:43,256 and applying it to the wrong environment. 808 00:41:43,339 --> 00:41:44,924 I think that's different. 809 00:41:45,008 --> 00:41:47,093 Look, I can't do this right now. 810 00:41:47,176 --> 00:41:49,679 I have to finish because it's my semester project. 811 00:41:49,762 --> 00:41:52,807 We're doing this thing tomorrow night. Come, if you're interested. 812 00:41:52,890 --> 00:41:54,976 Blacking out a room in the Sociology building 813 00:41:55,059 --> 00:41:58,354 so people can interact without actually being able to see each other. 814 00:41:58,438 --> 00:42:00,356 My partner's making up a questionnaire for them 815 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,859 to describe who they think they've met. 816 00:42:03,609 --> 00:42:04,610 Your partner? 817 00:42:05,653 --> 00:42:07,405 Yeah. Patrick. 818 00:42:09,407 --> 00:42:10,575 I see. 819 00:42:11,367 --> 00:42:12,410 Were you assigned? 820 00:42:12,493 --> 00:42:14,787 Well, we're both working on this Goffman book. 821 00:42:14,871 --> 00:42:16,622 Oh, so you just have mutual interests. 822 00:42:17,123 --> 00:42:18,207 I guess so. 823 00:42:18,291 --> 00:42:19,500 Certainly seems like it. 824 00:42:21,169 --> 00:42:23,880 Is this you not smiling as part of your experiment or... 825 00:42:23,963 --> 00:42:26,758 No, this is just me not smiling. 826 00:42:28,134 --> 00:42:29,135 Okay. 827 00:42:32,138 --> 00:42:33,931 [DOOR OPENS] 828 00:42:37,185 --> 00:42:38,227 Good morning. 829 00:42:39,145 --> 00:42:40,146 Morning. 830 00:42:41,731 --> 00:42:42,899 Shepard wants to see you. 831 00:42:44,275 --> 00:42:45,485 About what? 832 00:42:45,568 --> 00:42:46,903 Your little field trip. 833 00:42:50,448 --> 00:42:51,448 How does he know? 834 00:43:10,009 --> 00:43:12,512 Ah. Agent Ford. 835 00:43:20,019 --> 00:43:23,064 The superintendent asked me to take a look at the situation. 836 00:43:23,147 --> 00:43:26,234 And you said, "Oh, yeah, this is exactly what we do here at the FBI." 837 00:43:26,317 --> 00:43:28,820 I just thought with the correlations to the Brudos case... 838 00:43:28,903 --> 00:43:30,905 - Are you obsessed with feet? - No, sir. 839 00:43:30,988 --> 00:43:33,866 Because that is the only connection I can see. It is a thin one. 840 00:43:33,950 --> 00:43:36,202 There were parents and teachers who were concerned. 841 00:43:36,285 --> 00:43:37,662 I know the whole damn story. 842 00:43:38,121 --> 00:43:39,956 We bumped into each other in the cafeteria. 843 00:43:39,981 --> 00:43:41,600 This is not about how I know, 844 00:43:41,625 --> 00:43:43,316 it is about what the hell were you thinking? 845 00:43:43,376 --> 00:43:45,042 Sir, I thought I would see if the 846 00:43:45,076 --> 00:43:46,403 things we're discovering in the interviews 847 00:43:46,462 --> 00:43:48,256 could apply to real-life situations. 848 00:43:48,346 --> 00:43:49,860 The Bureau does not do that. 849 00:43:49,885 --> 00:43:51,874 We do not get involved until a crime is committed 850 00:43:51,926 --> 00:43:53,678 and has risen to the level of our radar. 851 00:43:53,761 --> 00:43:55,182 With all due respect, 852 00:43:55,207 --> 00:43:58,206 we've helped local law enforcement solve two murder cases. 853 00:43:58,266 --> 00:44:00,786 - In an advisory capacity... - [HOLDEN] We interviewed suspects. 854 00:44:00,810 --> 00:44:02,687 On cases where there were actual crimes. 855 00:44:02,770 --> 00:44:04,689 I spent a single day on Roger Wade. 856 00:44:04,772 --> 00:44:07,567 I was worried about children. I had to follow my intuition. 857 00:44:07,650 --> 00:44:09,318 - Your what? - Mm... 858 00:44:11,737 --> 00:44:14,115 My intuition started this. I wanted to interview Kemper. 859 00:44:14,198 --> 00:44:16,617 Without me, there would be no study, no funding. 860 00:44:16,707 --> 00:44:18,214 So now you know everything, is that it? 861 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,109 Now you're Superman, with X-ray vision? 862 00:44:20,163 --> 00:44:22,415 No, but I should be allowed a day to... 863 00:44:22,498 --> 00:44:25,251 Predict if someone might commit a crime? 864 00:44:26,460 --> 00:44:28,254 Who are you, the fucking thought police? 865 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,216 Thank you both. 866 00:44:32,300 --> 00:44:33,968 Agent Smith, in your new BSU position, 867 00:44:34,051 --> 00:44:36,611 the last thing you should be following is Agent Ford's intuition. 868 00:44:52,987 --> 00:44:55,448 Surprise, surprise, he had my ass. 869 00:44:55,531 --> 00:44:57,241 - You handed it to him. - Thanks, Bill. 870 00:44:57,325 --> 00:45:00,077 - Don't know what you were thinking. - Apparently, no one does. 871 00:45:00,161 --> 00:45:02,622 We'd like you to ask before you do something like that again. 872 00:45:03,539 --> 00:45:05,700 - What? - Your behavior reflects on us. 873 00:45:05,793 --> 00:45:07,957 You cannot use the study as justification 874 00:45:07,982 --> 00:45:09,527 to launch personal campaigns. 875 00:45:09,587 --> 00:45:11,964 - Is that what you think I'm doing? - I really don't know. 876 00:45:12,048 --> 00:45:15,134 I can't imagine why you would go after a respected school principal 877 00:45:15,217 --> 00:45:16,677 with no history of abuse. 878 00:45:16,761 --> 00:45:19,639 Because you weren't there. Even Gregg saw something wasn't right. 879 00:45:19,722 --> 00:45:21,515 It's an incorrect application of the concepts 880 00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:22,808 that I'm trying to teach you. 881 00:45:22,892 --> 00:45:25,811 - This has nothing to do with concepts. - She's right, Holden. 882 00:45:26,687 --> 00:45:29,607 What if some guy were tickling Brian's feet? 883 00:45:29,690 --> 00:45:31,070 - Don't bring my kid into this. 884 00:45:31,095 --> 00:45:33,343 - Not just some guy, but a guy in power, 885 00:45:33,402 --> 00:45:35,821 the head of the school where he will be for years. 886 00:45:35,905 --> 00:45:38,282 He not only tickles, but gives money for putting up with it. 887 00:45:38,366 --> 00:45:40,409 Do not use my family as an example. 888 00:45:40,493 --> 00:45:43,621 You ask him to stop, he won't. You go to the police, they blow it off. 889 00:45:43,704 --> 00:45:46,582 So it looks like Brian is going to get paid to get his feet tickled, 890 00:45:46,666 --> 00:45:49,001 and who knows what else, and there's nothing you can do. 891 00:45:49,085 --> 00:45:51,712 I'd tell him to take his fucking hands off my kid, 892 00:45:51,796 --> 00:45:54,840 just like I'm telling you to stop using him as an excuse 893 00:45:54,924 --> 00:45:56,467 for your unprofessional behavior. 894 00:46:53,691 --> 00:46:57,153 [INDISTINCT CHATTER ON TAPE RECORDERS PLAYING] 895 00:46:59,084 --> 00:47:00,571 [MAN] I heard you could make yourself 896 00:47:00,596 --> 00:47:02,657 start lucid dreaming, so I got this book. 897 00:47:06,203 --> 00:47:09,206 [INDISTINCT CHATTER ON TAPE RECORDERS CONTINUES] 898 00:47:10,249 --> 00:47:11,250 [MAN] Door! 899 00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,679 [LOW, INDISTINCT CHATTER] 900 00:47:26,515 --> 00:47:27,951 [MAN] ...sort of self-conscious. 901 00:47:27,976 --> 00:47:30,085 [WOMAN] I'm just not sure the answer's... 902 00:48:13,521 --> 00:48:14,522 [MAN] Come on, guys. 903 00:48:17,691 --> 00:48:19,402 [MAN 2] Can you close the door, please? 904 00:48:20,528 --> 00:48:21,862 [MAN 3] Seriously, man? 905 00:49:38,439 --> 00:49:40,816 [PHONE RINGS] 906 00:49:46,697 --> 00:49:48,282 Behavioral Science. 907 00:49:48,365 --> 00:49:51,327 - Holden, this is Dan Cobb with the VEA. - Yes, Dan. 908 00:49:51,352 --> 00:49:52,803 I'm sorry to bother you this early, 909 00:49:52,828 --> 00:49:54,825 but... the school board will be meeting today 910 00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,416 to make their decision regarding Roger Wade. 911 00:49:57,499 --> 00:49:58,584 What kind of decision? 912 00:49:58,667 --> 00:50:01,625 Well, we're thinking about letting him go. 913 00:50:01,677 --> 00:50:02,782 I see. 914 00:50:02,838 --> 00:50:05,758 We'd like to know if this would be in line with your recommendation. 915 00:50:06,425 --> 00:50:08,385 I really can't make a recommendation. 916 00:50:08,469 --> 00:50:09,887 Yeah, I get that. 917 00:50:09,970 --> 00:50:12,097 To be honest, we've been going in circles. 918 00:50:12,723 --> 00:50:15,517 What troubles me is I believe he's developed a compulsion 919 00:50:15,601 --> 00:50:17,561 that he's justifying as a choice. 920 00:50:17,645 --> 00:50:21,398 Do you believe it's possible he can do something... inappropriate? 921 00:50:21,482 --> 00:50:22,483 Well... 922 00:50:24,241 --> 00:50:26,228 I can't say that his behavior wouldn't escalate 923 00:50:26,253 --> 00:50:27,661 to something more serious. 924 00:50:27,780 --> 00:50:29,698 Right. I see. 925 00:50:29,782 --> 00:50:32,785 Well, it sounds like we should be erring on the side of caution. 926 00:50:35,496 --> 00:50:36,538 I understand. 927 00:50:36,622 --> 00:50:38,895 Okay. Listen, thanks for your time. 928 00:50:52,059 --> 00:50:57,059 synced & corrected by PopcornAWH www.addic7ed.com