1 00:00:03,258 --> 00:00:05,844 - [BELL TOLLING] - [DOG BARKING IN DISTANCE] 2 00:00:05,928 --> 00:00:07,763 [CAR HORN HONKS] 3 00:00:10,766 --> 00:00:12,518 [ENGINE STARTS] 4 00:02:09,092 --> 00:02:10,892 [MAN] His given name is Benjamin Barnwright, 5 00:02:10,917 --> 00:02:12,870 but everybody calls him Benji. 6 00:02:12,929 --> 00:02:15,223 Came back to town, just like I told you he would. 7 00:02:15,307 --> 00:02:17,726 Benji was home watching TV the night Beverly Jean was killed? 8 00:02:17,809 --> 00:02:19,936 That's what he told us and I believe him. 9 00:02:20,437 --> 00:02:23,106 He let us search his car, no warrant. 10 00:02:23,190 --> 00:02:26,234 And we didn't find a thing except for some of Beverly Jean's hair, 11 00:02:26,318 --> 00:02:28,570 but in the passenger seat, like you'd expect it. 12 00:02:28,654 --> 00:02:31,507 Passenger seat's not the best way to transport a corpse, 13 00:02:31,532 --> 00:02:32,633 I'll give you that. 14 00:02:32,658 --> 00:02:35,202 But you said he was home alone watching TV? 15 00:02:35,285 --> 00:02:37,871 - That's not much of an alibi. - Why? 16 00:02:38,580 --> 00:02:41,124 Isn't that what most people do most nights of the week? 17 00:02:41,208 --> 00:02:43,168 Benjamin is definitely most people. 18 00:02:43,251 --> 00:02:45,131 He's worked the same job ever since high school, 19 00:02:45,155 --> 00:02:46,546 bagging groceries at the A&P. 20 00:02:46,630 --> 00:02:50,008 Works at the A&P? Does he have access to a delivery vehicle? 21 00:02:50,092 --> 00:02:51,927 Nope. Only works the floor. 22 00:03:14,324 --> 00:03:15,700 Is he expecting us? 23 00:03:16,660 --> 00:03:19,121 He's in mourning, I thought it'd be polite to let him know. 24 00:03:19,204 --> 00:03:20,622 We should've brought a six pack. 25 00:03:29,005 --> 00:03:30,298 [THUNDER RUMBLES] 26 00:03:30,382 --> 00:03:32,008 - Can I get you some coffee? - Sure. 27 00:03:32,092 --> 00:03:33,802 - It's instant. - None for me, thanks. 28 00:03:35,387 --> 00:03:36,387 I'll wait. 29 00:03:38,390 --> 00:03:39,641 Uh... 30 00:03:39,725 --> 00:03:43,103 I got some donuts, too. Half glazed, half cake. 31 00:03:45,522 --> 00:03:47,566 I'd love a donut. Thanks, Benjamin. 32 00:03:48,984 --> 00:03:50,819 Thanks for meeting with us, Mr. Barnwright. 33 00:03:50,902 --> 00:03:51,902 Benjamin. 34 00:03:51,945 --> 00:03:54,614 I'm Bill Tench, this is Holden Ford. We're with the FBI. 35 00:03:54,698 --> 00:03:56,783 He told me you'll be helping with the case. 36 00:03:56,867 --> 00:03:58,660 We're sorry about your girlfriend. 37 00:03:58,744 --> 00:04:00,144 [TEARFUL] I still can't believe it. 38 00:04:00,328 --> 00:04:02,664 - [HOLDEN] How long were you with her? - Eighteen months. 39 00:04:02,748 --> 00:04:04,708 So this was pretty serious. 40 00:04:04,791 --> 00:04:06,668 We just got engaged. 41 00:04:06,752 --> 00:04:07,753 [TENCH] Big step. 42 00:04:09,296 --> 00:04:12,424 - I knew she was it when I met her. - How'd you know? 43 00:04:12,507 --> 00:04:15,761 Uh, we saw things the same way. 44 00:04:16,303 --> 00:04:18,346 - [HOLDEN] And you're how old? - Twenty-six. 45 00:04:19,055 --> 00:04:22,225 You play sports in high school? I'm guessing not the football team. 46 00:04:23,185 --> 00:04:24,978 - Band? Debate? - No. 47 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:26,730 Then what did you do? 48 00:04:27,647 --> 00:04:30,650 Uh, I... nothing. 49 00:04:33,695 --> 00:04:36,740 Well, you're doing good now. Got your own place and everything. 50 00:04:37,532 --> 00:04:39,618 Got this place for Beverly Jean. 51 00:04:39,701 --> 00:04:41,036 [HOLDEN] She ask you to move? 52 00:04:43,079 --> 00:04:44,915 I wanted us to have some privacy. 53 00:04:45,373 --> 00:04:46,708 Where were you before? 54 00:04:47,125 --> 00:04:49,127 A few blocks over on Chestnut. 55 00:04:49,211 --> 00:04:51,338 - With your family? - Uh, with my mom. 56 00:04:51,421 --> 00:04:54,299 It must have been hard on her, seeing you leave home. 57 00:04:54,382 --> 00:04:57,469 I think she was happy to see me move on. 58 00:04:58,887 --> 00:05:02,182 She loved Beverly Jean as much as I did. 59 00:05:02,265 --> 00:05:05,644 Mrs. Barnwright goes to my church, too. First United Methodist. 60 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,146 So you two know each other from church? 61 00:05:08,230 --> 00:05:10,023 Yeah. You and Rose. 62 00:05:10,106 --> 00:05:13,860 Mostly by sight now. I don't go much anymore. 63 00:05:14,319 --> 00:05:17,614 Was your mother a disciplinarian? 64 00:05:17,697 --> 00:05:19,241 You mean strict? 65 00:05:19,324 --> 00:05:22,077 [HOLDEN] Yeah. She crack the whip? 66 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:23,829 Uh... 67 00:05:23,912 --> 00:05:25,288 She just cried. 68 00:05:25,831 --> 00:05:28,583 Well, I'm sure it was difficult raising two kids without a dad. 69 00:05:28,667 --> 00:05:30,252 Yeah, he split when I was ten. 70 00:05:30,961 --> 00:05:33,880 - What was your father like? - I don't much remember him. 71 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:36,466 You and Beverly Jean ever fight? 72 00:05:38,009 --> 00:05:39,678 Perfectly normal for a young couple. 73 00:05:41,763 --> 00:05:43,056 Sometimes. 74 00:05:43,723 --> 00:05:44,963 [TENCH] What'd you fight about? 75 00:05:45,433 --> 00:05:47,060 Just stupid stuff. 76 00:05:47,519 --> 00:05:48,812 Like what? 77 00:05:48,895 --> 00:05:50,105 Like, uh... 78 00:05:51,189 --> 00:05:52,607 what movie to go to. 79 00:05:53,525 --> 00:05:55,371 [TENCH] Any nerves around the engagement? 80 00:05:55,396 --> 00:05:56,705 No, sir. 81 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,573 You got this place for her? Did she like it? 82 00:06:01,700 --> 00:06:02,784 She, uh... 83 00:06:04,744 --> 00:06:08,248 She wanted to make it pretty when she moved in. 84 00:06:08,331 --> 00:06:09,571 [TENCH] When was that gonna be? 85 00:06:09,624 --> 00:06:11,376 - After the wedding. - Traditional, huh? 86 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,379 - Yeah. - [HOLDEN] Was that for your mother? 87 00:06:14,462 --> 00:06:16,715 That was just to keep it proper. 88 00:06:17,382 --> 00:06:19,217 Was she saving herself for marriage? 89 00:06:21,761 --> 00:06:24,097 Well, maybe she didn't want to wait. 90 00:06:25,015 --> 00:06:27,517 Girls like fooling around just as much as boys. 91 00:06:28,727 --> 00:06:30,895 That's okay, Benjamin. 92 00:06:30,979 --> 00:06:32,147 We understand, that's... 93 00:06:33,064 --> 00:06:34,441 That's private. 94 00:06:34,524 --> 00:06:35,775 We'll keep it private. 95 00:06:37,569 --> 00:06:39,237 [BENJAMIN] Uh, well... 96 00:06:40,864 --> 00:06:43,074 Beverly Jean was, uh, my... 97 00:06:44,701 --> 00:06:45,869 first, uh... 98 00:06:46,453 --> 00:06:48,788 Your first sexual experience? 99 00:06:48,872 --> 00:06:49,998 Yeah. 100 00:06:51,708 --> 00:06:52,876 But she was nice. 101 00:06:54,919 --> 00:06:58,173 I don't know what all this has to do with what happened to her... 102 00:06:58,256 --> 00:07:01,384 Listen, Benjamin. We're from a particular unit of the FBI. 103 00:07:01,468 --> 00:07:04,304 We investigate murders when there's a sexual angle. 104 00:07:04,387 --> 00:07:06,932 It may be unpleasant, but it's what we do. 105 00:07:09,643 --> 00:07:12,854 [SOBBING] 106 00:07:12,938 --> 00:07:14,606 It's awful, what was done to her. 107 00:07:15,982 --> 00:07:17,275 Does he know? 108 00:07:18,902 --> 00:07:20,362 Mark, seriously? 109 00:07:22,489 --> 00:07:25,617 He only knows about the breasts. It was another officer... 110 00:07:27,285 --> 00:07:30,121 - It's hard keeping this quiet. - I want to talk to Mrs. Barnwright. 111 00:07:30,205 --> 00:07:32,540 Should we stop at a pay phone, give her a heads up, too? 112 00:07:32,624 --> 00:07:34,584 - That'd be fair. - [HOLDEN] What about the tears? 113 00:07:34,668 --> 00:07:36,348 - I didn't buy them. - Think he was faking? 114 00:07:36,378 --> 00:07:39,018 - [TENCH] Seemed a bit much. - [MARK] Given what he's been through? 115 00:07:39,042 --> 00:07:41,633 - It sure got us out of there. - He's obviously a mama's boy. 116 00:07:41,716 --> 00:07:43,301 Or he knows how to play one. 117 00:07:44,469 --> 00:07:45,637 What do you mean? 118 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,223 He was a virgin? He serves donuts? 119 00:07:48,709 --> 00:07:50,383 All of that could have been rehearsed, 120 00:07:50,408 --> 00:07:52,466 especially since he knew we were coming. 121 00:07:54,646 --> 00:07:57,232 Benjamin has never seemed like a performer to me. 122 00:07:58,483 --> 00:08:00,683 Two Feds in your living room would make anybody nervous. 123 00:08:00,707 --> 00:08:03,279 Look at him, you think he could have easily moved a body? 124 00:08:03,363 --> 00:08:05,198 Not without bursting into tears. 125 00:08:05,281 --> 00:08:06,281 [LAUGHS] 126 00:08:10,787 --> 00:08:12,872 [WOMAN] I always worried about Benjamin. 127 00:08:12,956 --> 00:08:15,625 [TENCH] He was living with you when he met Beverly Jean? 128 00:08:15,655 --> 00:08:17,835 He was so excited to have a girlfriend. 129 00:08:17,881 --> 00:08:20,326 Did she reciprocate those feelings? 130 00:08:21,214 --> 00:08:23,091 He said that she was crazy about him. 131 00:08:23,174 --> 00:08:25,343 - Did you meet her? - Of course. 132 00:08:26,469 --> 00:08:27,762 What were they like together? 133 00:08:27,846 --> 00:08:30,181 Well, they were... normal. 134 00:08:30,932 --> 00:08:34,644 She teased him a lot. He pretended not to enjoy it, but I know he did. 135 00:08:35,770 --> 00:08:38,356 Benjamin told us the two of them argued sometimes. 136 00:08:39,941 --> 00:08:41,359 Did you see him? 137 00:08:42,652 --> 00:08:43,737 This morning. 138 00:08:45,864 --> 00:08:47,282 Is he in trouble? 139 00:08:48,575 --> 00:08:50,347 We're just going over the case again, 140 00:08:50,372 --> 00:08:52,478 talking to everyone who knew Beverly Jean. 141 00:08:53,329 --> 00:08:56,875 Well... I never heard them argue. 142 00:08:58,001 --> 00:09:01,171 Benjamin is soft, you know. 143 00:09:01,254 --> 00:09:02,714 What was he like as a kid? 144 00:09:02,797 --> 00:09:07,010 He was always sensitive. But when his father ran off, he just... 145 00:09:10,013 --> 00:09:11,097 [HOLDEN] What do you mean? 146 00:09:12,932 --> 00:09:14,017 Well... 147 00:09:14,726 --> 00:09:16,853 he started to cry a lot, wet the bed. 148 00:09:16,936 --> 00:09:18,518 He wouldn't leave the house. 149 00:09:18,551 --> 00:09:19,776 [HOLDEN] That must have been difficult. 150 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,470 I had to leave the kids on their own a lot. 151 00:09:22,734 --> 00:09:26,071 Rose helped out, but she was just so little. 152 00:09:28,990 --> 00:09:31,659 Those were hard years. I did a lot of praying. 153 00:09:33,995 --> 00:09:36,748 But then Rose met Frank and he moved in with us. 154 00:09:37,290 --> 00:09:38,583 Frank Janderman. 155 00:09:39,125 --> 00:09:40,251 [WOMAN] That's right. 156 00:09:40,335 --> 00:09:42,378 They just had a baby, you know. 157 00:09:42,462 --> 00:09:43,838 Your first grandchild? 158 00:09:44,589 --> 00:09:45,924 Congratulations. 159 00:09:47,258 --> 00:09:51,763 People talked about Frank back then, but I never listened to all that. 160 00:09:51,846 --> 00:09:54,682 I loved him from the first time I met him. I still do. 161 00:09:54,766 --> 00:09:56,476 Did Benjamin feel the same way? 162 00:09:57,977 --> 00:09:59,979 Well, he started to go out, you know. 163 00:10:00,063 --> 00:10:01,940 He became friends with Frank. 164 00:10:02,565 --> 00:10:03,942 Frank protected him. 165 00:10:05,026 --> 00:10:07,028 He wouldn't let anyone near Rose. 166 00:10:08,738 --> 00:10:11,950 He even got Benji a job so I didn't have to work two shifts. 167 00:10:13,159 --> 00:10:16,579 Sometimes Rose said I loved him more than she did. 168 00:10:19,124 --> 00:10:20,125 When was this? 169 00:10:22,127 --> 00:10:24,420 Well, uh... they got married at 18, 170 00:10:24,504 --> 00:10:27,048 so Rose must have been... 171 00:10:29,509 --> 00:10:31,010 15, 16 at the time. 172 00:10:31,553 --> 00:10:33,888 Frank moved in. Why? 173 00:10:35,682 --> 00:10:37,058 Well, I don't remember. 174 00:10:38,393 --> 00:10:41,813 He had some problems at home with his father, as young boys do. 175 00:10:43,064 --> 00:10:45,441 But he got them their own place when they married. 176 00:10:45,525 --> 00:10:48,319 And Benjamin lived at home with you until he met Beverly Jean? 177 00:10:51,364 --> 00:10:53,074 It's been a strange time. 178 00:10:54,284 --> 00:10:56,744 We were so happy that Rose and Frank were having a baby, 179 00:10:56,828 --> 00:11:01,875 and then Benjamin loses his love in such a horrible way. [SOBS] 180 00:11:08,006 --> 00:11:09,507 Like mother, like son. 181 00:11:10,008 --> 00:11:11,926 You think there's a gene for crying? 182 00:11:12,510 --> 00:11:15,597 I keep wondering why Beverly was with him in the first place. 183 00:11:15,680 --> 00:11:17,213 She might have liked that he was older, 184 00:11:17,238 --> 00:11:18,985 easy to talk to. He's sensitive. 185 00:11:19,851 --> 00:11:21,686 "Half glazed, half cake"? 186 00:11:22,061 --> 00:11:23,061 Sure. 187 00:11:24,147 --> 00:11:26,200 I bet Beverly had poor old pipsqueak Benji 188 00:11:26,225 --> 00:11:28,216 wrapped around her golden triangle. 189 00:11:28,693 --> 00:11:32,155 Maybe she wanted a nice guy with a steady income who loved her. 190 00:11:32,238 --> 00:11:34,032 Whatever you say, Ocasek. 191 00:11:34,866 --> 00:11:35,866 What's that? 192 00:11:36,242 --> 00:11:38,077 We were just saying there's not much here. 193 00:11:38,995 --> 00:11:40,872 I assured Mrs. Barnwright this was a formality. 194 00:11:40,955 --> 00:11:43,833 - It's not a formality. - Well, I can tell her it is. 195 00:11:44,542 --> 00:11:45,960 So where does this leave us? 196 00:11:47,397 --> 00:11:48,397 There's still Alvin. 197 00:11:48,421 --> 00:11:51,466 You don't want it to be someone in the community. Neither of you do. 198 00:11:51,549 --> 00:11:54,802 Who drives all this way to come to some rust belt town? 199 00:11:54,886 --> 00:11:57,388 If you're hunting for girls, you got big cities. 200 00:11:57,472 --> 00:11:59,599 You got freeways with hitchhikers. 201 00:11:59,682 --> 00:12:01,059 Why choose a place like this? 202 00:12:02,226 --> 00:12:04,145 How would a drifter know where the dump is? 203 00:12:12,403 --> 00:12:13,988 - Hi. - There you are. 204 00:12:14,072 --> 00:12:16,741 I got all kinds of fun things for you to look over. 205 00:12:16,824 --> 00:12:17,742 Ooh. Paperwork? 206 00:12:17,825 --> 00:12:19,220 Yeah, it's hardly sexy, 207 00:12:19,245 --> 00:12:21,228 but I'm trying to put together a list of questions 208 00:12:21,287 --> 00:12:22,687 for the killers that you interview. 209 00:12:22,711 --> 00:12:25,124 Things like family history, mood, 210 00:12:25,208 --> 00:12:27,418 thought patterns before, during, and after the crime. 211 00:12:27,502 --> 00:12:28,983 This is just a first draft, 212 00:12:29,008 --> 00:12:31,279 but look it over and let me know what you think. 213 00:12:31,339 --> 00:12:34,059 Shouldn't we tailor the interviews based on the killer's personality? 214 00:12:34,083 --> 00:12:35,093 You mean just wing it? 215 00:12:35,176 --> 00:12:37,720 With these guys, we need to look for different ways in. 216 00:12:37,804 --> 00:12:39,395 Yes, but we still need a data set 217 00:12:39,433 --> 00:12:41,553 that's consistent across all our subjects. 218 00:12:42,911 --> 00:12:43,911 You leaving? 219 00:12:43,935 --> 00:12:45,478 - Back to Boston. - You just got here. 220 00:12:46,020 --> 00:12:47,620 Well, until you conduct more interviews, 221 00:12:47,645 --> 00:12:49,260 there's really nothing for me to do here. 222 00:12:49,297 --> 00:12:50,784 We had a really interesting conversation 223 00:12:50,809 --> 00:12:52,658 with the fiancé of that victim in Altoona. 224 00:12:54,529 --> 00:12:56,948 - I got a taxi waiting. - Cancel it. I'll drive you. 225 00:13:03,538 --> 00:13:05,456 - Let me take your bag. - Thank you. 226 00:13:06,791 --> 00:13:09,794 He lost it. I've never seen a guy cry like that. 227 00:13:10,712 --> 00:13:12,130 Bill was skeptical. 228 00:13:12,213 --> 00:13:13,881 - But you believed him? - It looked real. 229 00:13:14,716 --> 00:13:17,010 Well, how did it feel? I mean, were you moved? 230 00:13:17,093 --> 00:13:19,345 - Did you want to comfort him? - I wanted him to stop. 231 00:13:19,429 --> 00:13:21,014 Why'd you want him to stop? 232 00:13:21,097 --> 00:13:22,890 I don't know, maybe I'm just callous. 233 00:13:24,058 --> 00:13:25,601 Try a little harder, Holden. 234 00:13:29,647 --> 00:13:30,732 It felt wrong. 235 00:13:31,566 --> 00:13:35,820 Benjamin was blubbering like a baby, but it didn't seem vulnerable. 236 00:13:36,612 --> 00:13:38,031 It felt hostile. 237 00:13:38,656 --> 00:13:41,451 You know, psychopaths are extremely skilled 238 00:13:41,476 --> 00:13:43,060 at imitating human emotions. 239 00:13:43,119 --> 00:13:44,829 It's how they manipulate other people 240 00:13:44,912 --> 00:13:47,290 or how they gain power over their environment. 241 00:13:47,373 --> 00:13:49,709 How do they understand emotions if they don't have them? 242 00:13:49,734 --> 00:13:50,840 Well, they have emotions. 243 00:13:50,865 --> 00:13:52,696 They just don't believe other people have them. 244 00:13:52,761 --> 00:13:54,775 Or more specifically, they don't believe 245 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:56,497 that other people have interior lives. 246 00:13:56,549 --> 00:13:57,925 How do we sniff them out? 247 00:13:58,009 --> 00:14:00,428 Well, it seems like you just did. Trust your instincts. 248 00:14:00,511 --> 00:14:03,027 The whole town sees Benjamin as this lost 249 00:14:03,052 --> 00:14:05,207 little puppy that needs protecting. 250 00:14:05,850 --> 00:14:07,226 Maybe my instincts are wrong. 251 00:14:07,310 --> 00:14:11,397 Well, we're developing a methodology, so use it. 252 00:14:13,691 --> 00:14:15,693 Look at where the perpetrator went. 253 00:14:16,110 --> 00:14:19,072 Hair, breasts, vagina, all symbols of her sexual power. 254 00:14:19,155 --> 00:14:22,450 Disfiguring her reproductive organs was a way to neutralize her. 255 00:14:22,533 --> 00:14:24,179 What about the hair on the ironing board? 256 00:14:24,204 --> 00:14:25,519 Was that some kind of display? 257 00:14:25,578 --> 00:14:27,747 Like a trophy. A way to assert his dominance. 258 00:14:27,830 --> 00:14:29,665 Benjamin is anything but assertive. 259 00:14:29,690 --> 00:14:31,441 Beverly's the first woman he slept with. 260 00:14:31,501 --> 00:14:33,002 - How old is he? - Twenty-six. 261 00:14:33,086 --> 00:14:35,713 So that would give the relationship an extra significance. 262 00:14:35,797 --> 00:14:37,757 Bill thinks the only reason she was with him 263 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,218 is because she has total sexual control over him. 264 00:14:40,301 --> 00:14:42,678 Well, what's her history? Was she a virgin, too? 265 00:14:42,762 --> 00:14:43,930 He was touchy about that. 266 00:14:44,013 --> 00:14:45,961 So then she had some experience, 267 00:14:45,986 --> 00:14:48,208 which could either excite or threaten him. 268 00:14:48,267 --> 00:14:50,812 In the photo, she looks like the girl next door. 269 00:14:50,895 --> 00:14:54,315 You really believe that a young, pretty girl can't be manipulative? 270 00:14:54,982 --> 00:14:57,193 [CARR] Even if she was using sex to control him, 271 00:14:57,276 --> 00:14:59,070 and you have absolutely no evidence for this, 272 00:14:59,153 --> 00:15:01,174 then it would be what many women do 273 00:15:01,199 --> 00:15:02,848 to have an ounce of power in this world. 274 00:15:02,907 --> 00:15:04,700 Fine, but if it went too far, 275 00:15:04,784 --> 00:15:07,328 if something happened and Benjamin snapped, 276 00:15:07,412 --> 00:15:09,664 could feelings of impotence explain his rage? 277 00:15:09,747 --> 00:15:11,853 Could it explain him going back four days later 278 00:15:11,878 --> 00:15:13,150 to cut her up like you said, 279 00:15:13,209 --> 00:15:15,670 - as an attempt to assert control? - Possibly. 280 00:15:15,753 --> 00:15:18,172 But then wouldn't the rape already have accomplished that? 281 00:15:18,256 --> 00:15:20,174 - Accomplish control? - Exactly. 282 00:15:20,591 --> 00:15:23,177 In all the crimes we've studied, there's never been an example 283 00:15:23,261 --> 00:15:25,513 of a victim being raped then depersonalized. 284 00:15:25,596 --> 00:15:27,515 If the killer mutilates her after death, 285 00:15:27,598 --> 00:15:29,851 then he usually commits sexual acts after death as well. 286 00:15:29,934 --> 00:15:32,645 To make up for his sense of inadequacy while she was still alive. 287 00:15:32,728 --> 00:15:35,523 It's like there's two different presentations in this crime scene. 288 00:15:35,606 --> 00:15:37,817 [INDISTINCT PA ANNOUNCEMENT] 289 00:15:39,152 --> 00:15:40,987 Anybody picking you up in Boston? 290 00:15:41,529 --> 00:15:43,614 I'll grab a cab. Bye. 291 00:15:44,323 --> 00:15:47,410 [ROCK MUSIC PLAYS] 292 00:15:50,204 --> 00:15:52,623 [DOORBELL RINGS] 293 00:15:52,707 --> 00:15:54,959 - Hey. - Hey. What are you... 294 00:15:58,629 --> 00:16:00,214 - Up to? - Studying. 295 00:16:00,756 --> 00:16:02,049 Pulling an all-nighter. 296 00:16:02,133 --> 00:16:05,386 Writing a paper on C. Wright Mills and the power elite. 297 00:16:06,846 --> 00:16:08,097 Due tomorrow. 298 00:16:09,682 --> 00:16:11,642 It's about the people who really run this country. 299 00:16:11,666 --> 00:16:14,169 Hardly what our democracy is supposed to be about. 300 00:16:15,062 --> 00:16:17,148 - Are you okay? - What? 301 00:16:17,231 --> 00:16:19,151 - You seem... - Oh. My friend gave me diet pills. 302 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,569 - Really? - Speed actually makes this interesting. 303 00:16:24,572 --> 00:16:25,656 May I see those? 304 00:16:27,950 --> 00:16:30,495 Great for concentration, keeps you totally focused. 305 00:16:30,578 --> 00:16:33,748 - Beer? Coffee? Tea? - Is this legal? 306 00:16:33,831 --> 00:16:36,083 Uh-oh. Out comes the narc. 307 00:16:39,879 --> 00:16:42,732 We were digging into his relationship with the fiancé 308 00:16:42,757 --> 00:16:44,658 and he burst into tears. 309 00:16:45,176 --> 00:16:46,496 Bill thought he was bullshitting, 310 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:50,139 but psychopaths are extremely skilled at imitating human emotions. 311 00:16:50,223 --> 00:16:51,891 I once went crying to my professor. 312 00:16:53,684 --> 00:16:54,769 You fake cried? 313 00:16:54,852 --> 00:16:57,939 Made up an elaborate story about my dad in some horrendous accident. 314 00:16:58,022 --> 00:16:59,899 - When was this? - My freshman year. 315 00:16:59,982 --> 00:17:02,777 I was partying a little too much, almost flunked out of school. 316 00:17:03,819 --> 00:17:04,862 The interesting thing was, 317 00:17:04,946 --> 00:17:07,198 while I was lying, I actually started believing it. 318 00:17:07,740 --> 00:17:09,951 Made for a good show. He raised my grade to a C. 319 00:17:10,034 --> 00:17:11,202 - Your teacher was male. - So? 320 00:17:11,285 --> 00:17:14,956 Women crying to men always works. Men to men? [SCOFFS] 321 00:17:15,039 --> 00:17:17,708 - Not my point. - Why were you drinking so much? 322 00:17:19,252 --> 00:17:23,214 I wanted to fit in. I wanted to be wild and crazy. 323 00:17:23,297 --> 00:17:25,591 - Why? - I was tired of always thinking. 324 00:17:26,217 --> 00:17:28,678 - Don't you get tired of thinking? - No. 325 00:17:29,887 --> 00:17:32,056 And it made it easier to sleep with people. 326 00:17:37,103 --> 00:17:40,398 - How many people did you sleep with? - [SIGHS] Let's not. 327 00:17:40,481 --> 00:17:43,192 - A lot? - What difference does that make? 328 00:17:43,276 --> 00:17:45,736 - Just curious. - And judgmental. 329 00:17:47,488 --> 00:17:48,489 Five... 330 00:17:49,949 --> 00:17:51,909 - Ten... - This is getting tedious. 331 00:17:55,037 --> 00:17:58,291 - Ten? - Holden... I'm not doing this. 332 00:18:01,127 --> 00:18:02,336 [WHISPERS] Ten. 333 00:18:02,420 --> 00:18:04,297 [DISTANT GUNFIRE] 334 00:18:04,380 --> 00:18:05,380 [TENCH] Uh-huh. 335 00:18:07,550 --> 00:18:10,761 - Jesus. - [MAN] I know. What do we do? 336 00:18:10,845 --> 00:18:12,355 - Hell, pick him up. - What do I tell him? 337 00:18:12,394 --> 00:18:13,810 Don't tell him anything. 338 00:18:13,835 --> 00:18:16,130 Let him stew for a few hours until we get there. 339 00:18:16,350 --> 00:18:17,350 Okay. 340 00:18:18,936 --> 00:18:20,605 Ocasek looked into Frank Janderman. 341 00:18:21,147 --> 00:18:24,191 Apparently, in high school, he was sent to a psychiatric hospital 342 00:18:24,275 --> 00:18:26,027 for taking a monkey wrench to a girl. 343 00:18:27,111 --> 00:18:29,238 - Frank Janderman? - Rose's husband. 344 00:18:32,575 --> 00:18:33,951 We should get this on tape. 345 00:18:37,872 --> 00:18:40,291 So I got to thinking, why did Mrs. Barnwright 346 00:18:40,374 --> 00:18:42,460 say people were talking about Frank back then? 347 00:18:42,877 --> 00:18:44,795 - What were they talking about, right? - Right. 348 00:18:44,879 --> 00:18:47,465 So I talked to this family court judge who's a friend of mine. 349 00:18:47,548 --> 00:18:49,342 Sure enough, he remembers the case. 350 00:18:49,425 --> 00:18:51,505 Since Frank was a juvenile when the assault occurred, 351 00:18:51,529 --> 00:18:52,689 the court sealed the records. 352 00:18:53,012 --> 00:18:55,473 Fortunately, the judge is a very good friend of mine. 353 00:18:56,223 --> 00:18:57,863 Here's what we've got on Frank's hearing, 354 00:18:59,393 --> 00:19:00,686 and his time at Warren State. 355 00:19:00,770 --> 00:19:02,063 Nice work, Mark. 356 00:19:02,438 --> 00:19:05,274 This is where your community system pays off. 357 00:19:05,358 --> 00:19:07,318 He's been here since nine. Maybe we should... 358 00:19:07,401 --> 00:19:08,402 Let him wait. 359 00:19:10,196 --> 00:19:11,739 Why don't we have a cup of coffee? 360 00:19:12,740 --> 00:19:14,992 If Frank's a hothead, it'll irritate him, throw him off. 361 00:19:17,495 --> 00:19:18,996 Class of '71? 362 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,415 - Yep. - You go to your five-year reunion? 363 00:19:22,416 --> 00:19:24,543 I don't really keep up with that stuff. 364 00:19:25,044 --> 00:19:26,317 It's commendable that you graduated, 365 00:19:26,342 --> 00:19:28,164 seeing as how you missed your junior year. 366 00:19:28,188 --> 00:19:30,549 What do you want from me? I've been here all day. 367 00:19:30,633 --> 00:19:32,417 I answered all your questions last week. 368 00:19:32,442 --> 00:19:33,702 We just have a few more. 369 00:19:35,596 --> 00:19:37,014 You've got everyone in a tizzy. 370 00:19:37,807 --> 00:19:39,225 - You mean Benjamin? - Yeah. 371 00:19:39,308 --> 00:19:43,896 The whole family. Me, my wife, mom. You scared the shit out of Benji. 372 00:19:43,979 --> 00:19:46,607 [SIGHS] I'm sorry if we scared everyone. 373 00:19:46,691 --> 00:19:48,609 And for keeping you for so long. 374 00:19:48,693 --> 00:19:50,903 Beverly Jean Shaw was close with your family. 375 00:19:50,986 --> 00:19:52,746 We're simply looking for a little background. 376 00:19:52,770 --> 00:19:53,771 She wasn't that close. 377 00:19:54,949 --> 00:19:56,629 She was about to marry your brother-in-law. 378 00:19:56,653 --> 00:19:57,780 They hadn't set a date. 379 00:19:58,862 --> 00:20:00,657 I didn't spend a lot of time with him. 380 00:20:00,682 --> 00:20:02,014 So you and Benjamin aren't close? 381 00:20:02,081 --> 00:20:03,999 What's this "close" shit? That's like women. 382 00:20:05,501 --> 00:20:07,461 Mrs. Barnwright said you looked out for him. 383 00:20:08,546 --> 00:20:11,465 - Well, yeah, he's a shrimp. - And he's your brother-in-law. 384 00:20:12,049 --> 00:20:13,175 Yep. 385 00:20:13,259 --> 00:20:16,053 - So you would help him if he needed it. - Yep. 386 00:20:19,098 --> 00:20:20,933 Did you fight a lot in high school? 387 00:20:21,517 --> 00:20:22,517 Like Popeye. 388 00:20:25,229 --> 00:20:28,315 How'd you land yourself in Warren State Psychiatric Hospital? 389 00:20:31,485 --> 00:20:33,112 It's probably in your fucking file. 390 00:20:33,654 --> 00:20:35,072 We want to hear your side. 391 00:20:36,449 --> 00:20:38,492 [EXHALES] 392 00:20:38,993 --> 00:20:41,495 This girl freaked out on me, came after me with a wrench. 393 00:20:41,579 --> 00:20:44,206 I tried to get it, it swang back, hit her in the face. 394 00:20:44,290 --> 00:20:46,417 Then all this shit came raining down on me. 395 00:20:47,334 --> 00:20:48,794 Why'd she freak out? 396 00:20:48,878 --> 00:20:52,131 - I was seeing some other girl, too. - You a ladies man? 397 00:20:52,214 --> 00:20:53,924 Maybe. Back then. 398 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,511 - They sent you to a mental institution. - That was bullshit. 399 00:20:57,595 --> 00:21:00,222 - I had to go, it was part of the plea. - You did a plea deal? 400 00:21:00,306 --> 00:21:02,308 Why not go to court, tell them what you told us? 401 00:21:02,391 --> 00:21:05,686 My lawyer said I'd never win against a sweet girl with a broken nose. 402 00:21:07,313 --> 00:21:08,654 There were other infractions, 403 00:21:08,679 --> 00:21:10,313 I was running around like a jackass back then. 404 00:21:10,337 --> 00:21:13,716 - But no longer? - I'm married now. Got a kid. 405 00:21:14,153 --> 00:21:16,864 Marriage and fatherhood don't make anger go away. 406 00:21:16,947 --> 00:21:19,283 I wasn't angry, I was just... 407 00:21:19,366 --> 00:21:20,951 Misunderstood? 408 00:21:21,786 --> 00:21:24,455 Makes me sound like a pussy, but yeah. 409 00:21:25,706 --> 00:21:28,250 Want to tell us about the night Beverly Jean disappeared? 410 00:21:29,043 --> 00:21:30,294 [SIGHS HEAVILY] 411 00:21:30,377 --> 00:21:34,465 I don't know. It was, uh... typical, I guess. 412 00:21:34,548 --> 00:21:36,425 Rose was still pregnant back then. 413 00:21:36,926 --> 00:21:39,011 Got her some dinner and watched TV. 414 00:21:39,094 --> 00:21:41,222 - So you were home all night. - No. 415 00:21:41,305 --> 00:21:42,598 No? 416 00:21:43,265 --> 00:21:46,060 No. I told you, I went out and got us dinner. 417 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:47,728 How long were you gone? 418 00:21:48,062 --> 00:21:50,773 I don't know, 15, 20 minutes maybe. 419 00:21:50,856 --> 00:21:52,566 Where'd you get food? 420 00:21:52,650 --> 00:21:54,944 Rose likes the rolls at Hannah's Diner on Market Street. 421 00:21:55,027 --> 00:21:56,570 And Rose will confirm this? 422 00:21:57,905 --> 00:22:00,574 Am I under some kind of suspicion here? 423 00:22:00,658 --> 00:22:03,994 We're just looking at it from every angle. 424 00:22:05,746 --> 00:22:08,290 No, Beverly Jean was, uh... was Benji's girl. 425 00:22:08,374 --> 00:22:09,750 I barely knew her. 426 00:22:09,834 --> 00:22:12,837 Strange, seeing as how she was about to be part of the family. 427 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,129 [EXHALES] 428 00:22:14,213 --> 00:22:16,048 Stop saying it like that. 429 00:22:16,465 --> 00:22:18,425 You said they hadn't set a date for the wedding. 430 00:22:19,385 --> 00:22:22,388 - It was loose. - They were engaged, weren't they? 431 00:22:22,471 --> 00:22:23,764 [SIGHS] 432 00:22:23,847 --> 00:22:25,307 Benji thought they were. 433 00:22:27,726 --> 00:22:31,099 The impression I got is that she was in love with him, 434 00:22:31,167 --> 00:22:32,539 wanted to marry him. 435 00:22:32,606 --> 00:22:35,192 Oh, man, I don't want to rain on his parade... 436 00:22:35,276 --> 00:22:37,676 You're saying he made the relationship more than what it was? 437 00:22:37,700 --> 00:22:39,738 She let him call her his girlfriend. 438 00:22:39,822 --> 00:22:41,198 He got that apartment for her. 439 00:22:41,282 --> 00:22:43,617 Yeah, that was the big plan, get her to move in. 440 00:22:43,701 --> 00:22:46,745 - Was Beverly even sleeping with him? - Now and again. 441 00:22:47,371 --> 00:22:49,691 A looker like her, he thought he'd died and gone to heaven. 442 00:22:49,715 --> 00:22:52,793 - You found her attractive? - She's a seven. 443 00:22:52,876 --> 00:22:55,337 Really? From the photos, I'd give her an eight. 444 00:22:55,421 --> 00:22:56,755 In Altoona, she's a solid eight. 445 00:22:58,090 --> 00:23:00,801 I thought Benji had done pretty good for himself. 446 00:23:01,719 --> 00:23:03,304 Especially for a guy who's... 447 00:23:04,513 --> 00:23:05,806 so quick to cry. 448 00:23:06,450 --> 00:23:07,450 Shit, yeah. 449 00:23:07,474 --> 00:23:10,519 Do you think that he was satisfying her? 450 00:23:12,771 --> 00:23:14,023 [EXHALES] 451 00:23:14,773 --> 00:23:17,651 - I don't think he was blowing her mind. - She tell you that? 452 00:23:17,735 --> 00:23:19,681 Not in so many words, but when a chick's enjoying it, 453 00:23:19,706 --> 00:23:20,845 she's all over you. 454 00:23:20,904 --> 00:23:22,615 You think Beverly Jean knew the difference? 455 00:23:23,449 --> 00:23:26,619 You think she'd, you know... been around? 456 00:23:27,995 --> 00:23:31,332 I'd say she was, uh... open. 457 00:23:34,543 --> 00:23:36,063 [HOLDEN] Benjamin see it that way too? 458 00:23:36,503 --> 00:23:39,173 I don't know if he didn't get it or he didn't want to. 459 00:23:48,641 --> 00:23:51,727 Everyone we interviewed said Beverly Jean was... 460 00:23:51,810 --> 00:23:55,314 nice, loyal, decent. 461 00:23:55,397 --> 00:23:56,397 Well... 462 00:23:58,442 --> 00:24:01,236 no one's gonna come right out and say the dead girl was easy. 463 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,365 Frank's cagey. You hear him deflect on that deal in high school? 464 00:24:05,199 --> 00:24:07,159 He could have made that up about her being a slut. 465 00:24:07,183 --> 00:24:08,183 What if he didn't? 466 00:24:08,535 --> 00:24:11,330 Listen, if Beverly had the upper hand in the relationship 467 00:24:11,413 --> 00:24:14,166 and made Benjamin feel jealous by seeing other men, 468 00:24:15,167 --> 00:24:18,045 if Benjamin felt sexually powerless, 469 00:24:18,128 --> 00:24:20,881 he might lash out with the kind of anger we see in this crime. 470 00:24:21,507 --> 00:24:23,592 Let's see what Benjamin has to say. 471 00:24:23,676 --> 00:24:25,386 - Bring him in? - Yeah. 472 00:24:25,761 --> 00:24:27,680 You understand you're not under arrest? 473 00:24:27,763 --> 00:24:29,200 You're free to leave at any point, 474 00:24:29,225 --> 00:24:30,957 only have to talk to us if you want to. 475 00:24:31,016 --> 00:24:33,560 And you're okay with us recording this conversation? 476 00:24:33,644 --> 00:24:35,764 It's just so much easier than writing everything down. 477 00:24:35,788 --> 00:24:37,831 Yeah. I want to help if I can. 478 00:24:38,857 --> 00:24:42,069 You know a lot about this case you're not telling us, don't you? 479 00:24:42,486 --> 00:24:45,656 Uh, no, nothing more than what I already said. 480 00:24:45,739 --> 00:24:46,739 We talked to Frank. 481 00:24:47,199 --> 00:24:49,719 He paints a different picture of your relationship with Beverly. 482 00:24:49,743 --> 00:24:52,662 He said you made up that part about you and her being engaged. 483 00:24:53,497 --> 00:24:54,873 Uh... 484 00:24:54,957 --> 00:24:56,709 Well, I didn't have a ring yet, 485 00:24:56,792 --> 00:25:00,546 but, um, but I asked her and she said yes. 486 00:25:00,629 --> 00:25:02,965 It sounded like she wanted to keep her options open. 487 00:25:06,343 --> 00:25:07,344 [TENCH] Benjamin? 488 00:25:10,222 --> 00:25:11,724 Did Frank say that? 489 00:25:11,807 --> 00:25:13,225 [TENCH] He said a lot of things. 490 00:25:15,686 --> 00:25:17,438 - 'Cause he was jealous. - [HOLDEN] Jealous? 491 00:25:17,521 --> 00:25:19,064 Why would he be jealous? 492 00:25:19,148 --> 00:25:21,066 He's married. To your sister. 493 00:25:21,150 --> 00:25:22,150 Well... 494 00:25:23,861 --> 00:25:27,072 He was always asking when... she was coming around, 495 00:25:27,156 --> 00:25:30,200 always talking to her like she was his girlfriend. 496 00:25:30,284 --> 00:25:32,703 - What do you mean? - Like "Hey, hon," 497 00:25:32,786 --> 00:25:36,707 "Hey, babe," "Hey, sweetheart, go get me a beer." 498 00:25:37,541 --> 00:25:38,541 And... 499 00:25:40,210 --> 00:25:42,296 he was always getting her to sit on his lap. 500 00:25:42,963 --> 00:25:44,486 Did she want to sit on his lap? 501 00:25:44,511 --> 00:25:46,574 She had to or it would've been rude. 502 00:25:46,633 --> 00:25:50,137 - Did he try to have sex with her? - No, it didn't go that far. 503 00:25:50,220 --> 00:25:51,972 [HOLDEN] He told us he was interested. 504 00:25:52,055 --> 00:25:55,142 Beverly Jean was a beautiful woman. She wouldn't do that. 505 00:25:55,225 --> 00:25:57,251 Do what, have sex? She had sex with you. 506 00:25:57,276 --> 00:25:58,328 She loved me. 507 00:25:58,353 --> 00:26:00,939 But she wasn't exactly saving herself for marriage. 508 00:26:01,023 --> 00:26:03,025 [BENJAMIN SOBBING] 509 00:26:03,609 --> 00:26:05,444 Do you think you satisfied her, Benjamin? 510 00:26:05,527 --> 00:26:07,946 [BELL RINGS] 511 00:26:19,708 --> 00:26:21,628 Did you see her that night when she got off work? 512 00:26:21,710 --> 00:26:24,087 No. I was home, I was watching television. 513 00:26:24,171 --> 00:26:26,465 Didn't you want her to come over, hang out with you? 514 00:26:26,548 --> 00:26:29,927 Of course I wanted her to come over, because I loved her. 515 00:26:30,010 --> 00:26:32,054 [SOBBING] Now she's dead. 516 00:26:33,347 --> 00:26:36,016 Oh, my God! 517 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,477 Oh, my God! 518 00:26:40,312 --> 00:26:43,649 - [SOFT MUSIC PLAYS] - [INDISTINCT CHATTER] 519 00:26:48,737 --> 00:26:50,447 So did Beverly Jean sleep around? 520 00:26:53,075 --> 00:26:55,994 - Alvin tried to pick her up at a bar. - She turned him down. 521 00:26:56,078 --> 00:26:57,558 [HOLDEN] What was she doing at a bar? 522 00:26:57,955 --> 00:27:00,916 - Having a drink? - Was she alone, with a girlfriend? 523 00:27:00,999 --> 00:27:02,334 What would that tell us? 524 00:27:02,417 --> 00:27:04,169 A single woman in a bar... 525 00:27:04,253 --> 00:27:06,463 A single woman might go alone just to have a drink. 526 00:27:06,547 --> 00:27:09,132 What about her? Is she trying to pick someone up? 527 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,344 - Well, probably. - Why, because she's by herself? 528 00:27:12,803 --> 00:27:14,054 Because she's at a bar? 529 00:27:15,556 --> 00:27:16,756 - Yeah. - That's an assumption. 530 00:27:16,780 --> 00:27:19,852 Say she is looking for someone, does that make her easy? 531 00:27:19,935 --> 00:27:21,895 Is she looking for a husband or a one-night stand? 532 00:27:21,919 --> 00:27:23,689 Does the difference change your perception? 533 00:27:23,772 --> 00:27:25,107 - Sure. - Why? 534 00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:29,778 Well, changes whether I'd be interested in her, theoretically. 535 00:27:29,862 --> 00:27:32,906 What if you're looking for a one-night stand... theoretically? 536 00:27:32,990 --> 00:27:35,409 No, I don't... It's not my thing. 537 00:27:35,492 --> 00:27:37,172 - Come on, Mark. - [TENCH] Leave him alone. 538 00:27:37,196 --> 00:27:39,804 Beverly's sexual history is only important 539 00:27:39,829 --> 00:27:41,188 because if she was seeing other men, 540 00:27:41,248 --> 00:27:42,875 then obviously they're suspects. 541 00:27:42,958 --> 00:27:44,459 So who else can we talk to? 542 00:27:47,546 --> 00:27:51,258 There's a couple of friends we could question... again. 543 00:27:51,341 --> 00:27:53,176 Anyone else she might have confided in? 544 00:27:53,886 --> 00:27:56,680 She did just get her hair done. Right? 545 00:27:58,974 --> 00:28:00,183 Here's a question, 546 00:28:00,267 --> 00:28:02,827 if it is Benjamin or some other boyfriend who freaked out on her, 547 00:28:02,851 --> 00:28:04,853 does the case merit our involvement? 548 00:28:06,148 --> 00:28:08,349 We still can't rule out a sequence killer, 549 00:28:08,374 --> 00:28:09,710 but if the perpetrator was a townie, 550 00:28:09,735 --> 00:28:10,836 then the crime is random, 551 00:28:10,861 --> 00:28:12,895 and there's no expectation that he'll be repeating it. 552 00:28:12,919 --> 00:28:16,033 Here's my question, shouldn't our funding cover separate rooms? 553 00:28:16,116 --> 00:28:17,534 You don't like my company? 554 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:19,536 We'll get connecting doors. 555 00:28:37,512 --> 00:28:40,891 The mutilation of her body alone justifies our involvement. 556 00:28:43,310 --> 00:28:46,021 Would you mind sitting on your own bed, please? 557 00:29:13,173 --> 00:29:14,591 Well, that was a dead end. 558 00:29:15,050 --> 00:29:16,218 Who's next? 559 00:29:16,301 --> 00:29:18,804 One of the families she baby-sat for, the Snyders. 560 00:29:20,264 --> 00:29:23,433 You mind if we take a quick detour? Something's been bugging me. 561 00:29:23,517 --> 00:29:24,517 [TENCH] Okay. 562 00:29:47,666 --> 00:29:48,666 Hi, Rose. 563 00:29:53,046 --> 00:29:54,339 I just got him to sleep. 564 00:29:54,423 --> 00:29:56,174 Pretty hard having a newborn. 565 00:29:56,258 --> 00:29:58,218 All anybody ever tells you is how great it is. 566 00:29:58,302 --> 00:30:02,139 But my wife and I, with both our kids, we walked around like zombies 567 00:30:02,222 --> 00:30:03,640 for the first three months. 568 00:30:05,309 --> 00:30:07,644 You know, Trinity Lutheran, over on Sycamore, 569 00:30:07,811 --> 00:30:09,438 has a program for single moms. 570 00:30:09,521 --> 00:30:11,732 Not that you're single, but it's your first child 571 00:30:11,815 --> 00:30:13,710 and they'll have all kinds of information 572 00:30:13,735 --> 00:30:15,127 on feeding him, getting him to sleep. 573 00:30:15,152 --> 00:30:17,154 - Thanks. - What about Frank? 574 00:30:17,654 --> 00:30:19,531 - He help you out? - [ROSE] When he can. 575 00:30:20,009 --> 00:30:21,009 He's got work. 576 00:30:21,033 --> 00:30:23,618 Your mom certainly seems excited about having a grandbaby. 577 00:30:23,702 --> 00:30:24,911 [ROSE] She is happy. 578 00:30:25,454 --> 00:30:27,372 And Benjamin, is he helping? 579 00:30:28,248 --> 00:30:31,209 - [SCOFFS] No. - You close with Benjamin? 580 00:30:31,793 --> 00:30:33,045 He's my older brother. 581 00:30:34,046 --> 00:30:35,088 [TENCH] By how much? 582 00:30:36,089 --> 00:30:37,215 Fourteen months. 583 00:30:37,299 --> 00:30:39,009 You have good memories growing up? 584 00:30:39,551 --> 00:30:41,887 Mom went to work. Got two jobs. 585 00:30:42,304 --> 00:30:44,598 Two kids, two jobs. How'd she swing that? 586 00:30:44,681 --> 00:30:46,601 Me and Benji went to school a couple blocks over. 587 00:30:46,625 --> 00:30:48,310 We would walk home in the afternoon. 588 00:30:48,393 --> 00:30:51,438 - And you were how old? - Ten. Maybe eleven. 589 00:30:51,521 --> 00:30:52,564 That's pretty young. 590 00:30:53,065 --> 00:30:56,485 Mom would come home tired, wasn't really up for dealing with kids. 591 00:30:57,361 --> 00:31:00,447 - I'd make sure the house was clean. - It's no small feat. 592 00:31:03,033 --> 00:31:05,911 - How old were you when you met Frank? - Sixteen. 593 00:31:06,453 --> 00:31:08,997 You know about the incident with Frank in high school? 594 00:31:11,875 --> 00:31:13,377 It was before I met him. 595 00:31:14,294 --> 00:31:16,105 [TENCH] You ever talk with him about it? 596 00:31:16,196 --> 00:31:18,494 [ROSE] He told me it was some accident. 597 00:31:19,925 --> 00:31:20,926 Rose... 598 00:31:22,094 --> 00:31:23,470 you knew Beverly Jean. 599 00:31:25,180 --> 00:31:26,390 What was she like? 600 00:31:26,848 --> 00:31:28,350 She was really sweet. 601 00:31:29,101 --> 00:31:31,103 [HOLDEN] You think she was good for Benjamin? 602 00:31:31,186 --> 00:31:32,896 She made him want to leave home. 603 00:31:33,939 --> 00:31:35,190 I thought that was good. 604 00:31:36,900 --> 00:31:40,278 We gave him money for a security deposit. Signed his lease. 605 00:31:40,362 --> 00:31:41,905 Did she intend to marry him? 606 00:31:44,032 --> 00:31:45,283 He was working on her. 607 00:31:45,742 --> 00:31:48,537 Was she... seeing other men? 608 00:31:51,706 --> 00:31:54,042 Benjamin thought she might be. 609 00:31:54,126 --> 00:31:55,293 Benjamin told you this? 610 00:31:58,130 --> 00:32:01,174 He said he thought she was giving him the runaround. 611 00:32:02,259 --> 00:32:04,219 Getting done up for other guys. 612 00:32:05,011 --> 00:32:06,054 Done up how? 613 00:32:06,138 --> 00:32:07,764 Dressing provocatively? 614 00:32:08,390 --> 00:32:10,600 Painting her nails? Wearing perfume? 615 00:32:10,684 --> 00:32:11,726 Getting her hair done. 616 00:32:12,769 --> 00:32:14,456 [TENCH] Frank told us he was with you 617 00:32:14,481 --> 00:32:16,213 the night Beverly Jean was murdered. 618 00:32:16,815 --> 00:32:18,233 - Is that true? - Yes. 619 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:21,403 Well, uh... 620 00:32:23,738 --> 00:32:25,824 he went out to get us food. 621 00:32:25,907 --> 00:32:29,661 - How long was he gone? - [BABY CRIES] 622 00:32:44,843 --> 00:32:48,096 [BABY COOING] 623 00:32:49,931 --> 00:32:51,975 Rose, if you are hiding something 624 00:32:52,726 --> 00:32:55,812 and they find out about it, it will not be good for you... 625 00:32:56,980 --> 00:32:58,023 or for him. 626 00:32:59,065 --> 00:33:02,027 [BABY CRIES] 627 00:33:19,544 --> 00:33:20,754 What are we missing? 628 00:33:24,591 --> 00:33:26,751 - Did you see those bruises on her arm? - [TENCH] Yeah. 629 00:33:27,219 --> 00:33:28,303 You think Frank did that? 630 00:33:28,386 --> 00:33:31,640 Her mother told us that he wouldn't let anyone else get close to her. 631 00:33:33,517 --> 00:33:34,677 Should we search Frank's car? 632 00:33:35,477 --> 00:33:37,437 - I would need a warrant. - [TENCH] Let's get one. 633 00:33:40,065 --> 00:33:43,109 Mark. There's a young woman downstairs asking for you. 634 00:33:54,621 --> 00:33:55,622 Hi, Rose. 635 00:34:01,545 --> 00:34:02,837 [STAMMERS] Do... [CLEARS THROAT] 636 00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:07,757 [WHISPERS] Do you promise my baby will be okay 637 00:34:07,782 --> 00:34:09,118 if I tell you what happened? 638 00:34:10,136 --> 00:34:11,483 Of course. 639 00:34:15,976 --> 00:34:16,976 It's okay. 640 00:34:18,770 --> 00:34:20,814 - It's okay. Hey. - [SOBS] 641 00:34:28,947 --> 00:34:32,909 So you said Frank was not home the night Beverly Jean disappeared? 642 00:34:35,453 --> 00:34:36,453 Yes. 643 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:38,415 Do you know where he was? 644 00:34:40,750 --> 00:34:41,750 Yes. 645 00:34:43,420 --> 00:34:44,462 Where was he? 646 00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:48,383 Benji called us that night and asked Frank to come over. 647 00:34:51,344 --> 00:34:52,429 Okay. 648 00:34:53,930 --> 00:34:55,265 So Frank left. 649 00:34:55,849 --> 00:34:57,183 How long was he gone? 650 00:35:01,646 --> 00:35:04,899 He called after two or three hours. Asked me to come over there too. 651 00:35:04,983 --> 00:35:07,902 - What time was this? - Ten or eleven? 652 00:35:07,986 --> 00:35:09,946 But I told him I was tired. 653 00:35:10,697 --> 00:35:12,365 My back hurt. My feet. 654 00:35:14,993 --> 00:35:16,995 I was more than eight months pregnant. 655 00:35:17,370 --> 00:35:19,706 Did he say why he wanted you to come over? 656 00:35:19,789 --> 00:35:20,790 No. 657 00:35:22,292 --> 00:35:23,835 He just said to come? 658 00:35:24,419 --> 00:35:26,212 He said to bring cleaning supplies. 659 00:35:29,841 --> 00:35:31,926 But... I forgot. 660 00:35:35,722 --> 00:35:37,807 Drove over, let myself in. 661 00:35:38,433 --> 00:35:42,437 Frank was in the living room. He told me not to get upset. 662 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:43,688 Was he upset? 663 00:35:44,689 --> 00:35:45,732 He was calm. 664 00:35:46,358 --> 00:35:49,194 Okay. So Frank tells you not to get upset... 665 00:35:51,196 --> 00:35:53,990 He told me something bad had happened. 666 00:35:55,867 --> 00:35:59,913 My mind started racing, I was worried something had happened to Benji. 667 00:36:02,916 --> 00:36:05,377 Frank said, "He's fine, but he's done something." 668 00:36:08,171 --> 00:36:09,589 Benjamin did something? 669 00:36:12,801 --> 00:36:13,801 Yes. 670 00:36:16,012 --> 00:36:17,555 I said, "What's he done?" 671 00:36:19,307 --> 00:36:22,394 He said he got mad at Beverly Jean. 672 00:36:32,570 --> 00:36:34,823 [ROSE] Frank said Benjamin hit her. 673 00:36:36,658 --> 00:36:38,451 I asked if she was okay. 674 00:36:43,331 --> 00:36:45,959 Frank said, "We got to help Benjamin out of this. 675 00:36:46,042 --> 00:36:48,878 We got to stick together or he's going to get in trouble." 676 00:36:52,966 --> 00:36:54,634 I asked where Benjamin was. 677 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:57,303 He said, "He's in the bathroom." 678 00:36:58,888 --> 00:37:01,558 I said, "I want to see him." He said, "Okay. 679 00:37:03,143 --> 00:37:05,145 "But Beverly Jean is in there too." 680 00:37:08,064 --> 00:37:09,357 The door was open. 681 00:37:10,066 --> 00:37:12,277 I saw Benji. He... 682 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,071 He had his head in his hands, he was crying. 683 00:37:15,989 --> 00:37:18,575 There was blood everywhere. 684 00:37:19,075 --> 00:37:20,243 Splashing. 685 00:37:22,162 --> 00:37:24,581 And then I see Beverly Jean in the bathtub. 686 00:37:26,458 --> 00:37:27,751 Was she alive? 687 00:37:30,170 --> 00:37:31,170 Dead. 688 00:37:33,006 --> 00:37:35,675 She had her top on, but no panties. 689 00:37:38,011 --> 00:37:40,889 I said, "Benji, what have you done?" 690 00:37:42,807 --> 00:37:44,976 He shook his head. He didn't want to look at me. 691 00:37:45,602 --> 00:37:48,271 - Was she face up, face down? - Face up. 692 00:37:48,354 --> 00:37:49,731 Did you notice any wounds? 693 00:37:50,523 --> 00:37:52,776 I couldn't tell, there was a lot of blood. 694 00:37:53,359 --> 00:37:54,527 Then what happened? 695 00:37:54,986 --> 00:37:58,114 Then Frank brought in a tarp, spread it on the floor. 696 00:37:58,615 --> 00:38:01,326 Then he asked me to go get cleaning supplies. 697 00:38:02,076 --> 00:38:03,996 When I came back, they had already rolled her up. 698 00:38:04,037 --> 00:38:07,123 So they took her out to Frank's truck and drove off. 699 00:38:09,125 --> 00:38:11,461 I washed out the tub and cleaned up the bathroom. 700 00:38:12,128 --> 00:38:15,423 I scrubbed the tiles, in the cracks, 701 00:38:15,507 --> 00:38:17,300 the grouting, the window frame. 702 00:38:18,176 --> 00:38:21,513 I had to wash all the blood down the sink and that seemed to... 703 00:38:22,263 --> 00:38:23,515 It took forever... 704 00:38:24,474 --> 00:38:26,351 trying to get it all to go down. 705 00:38:28,102 --> 00:38:31,105 - [TENCH] Did you see a weapon? - There was a knife in the tub. 706 00:38:31,189 --> 00:38:32,482 What'd you do with it? 707 00:38:33,858 --> 00:38:34,984 [ROSE] I rinsed it off. 708 00:38:35,068 --> 00:38:38,154 Took it to the kitchen, washed it with dish soap. 709 00:38:38,613 --> 00:38:39,823 Put it away. 710 00:38:43,576 --> 00:38:44,994 And then I went home. 711 00:38:45,078 --> 00:38:47,872 [HOLDEN] Did you see Frank or Benjamin again that night? 712 00:38:47,956 --> 00:38:48,956 [ROSE] No. 713 00:38:48,998 --> 00:38:50,875 Frank came home early the next morning. 714 00:38:53,962 --> 00:38:55,046 Why did you help them? 715 00:38:57,966 --> 00:38:59,926 It's just what I've always done. 716 00:39:02,345 --> 00:39:03,429 Who killed her? 717 00:39:05,849 --> 00:39:07,058 I don't know. 718 00:39:09,242 --> 00:39:14,242 synced & corrected by PopcornAWH www.addic7ed.com