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*MINDHUNTER*
Season 01 Episode 07
Title: "Episode #1.7"
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I saw that kid Spinks
bust his ass the last time in Vegas.
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Oh, he got
way too confident, boy.
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You should've seen that face
when he left the ring.
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The Norton fight, too.
Ali didn't have a prayer.
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- Norton's tough.
- Huh!
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Kept getting backed up into the corner.
His gloves up all around his ears.
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Norton broke Ali's jaw.
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I remember that.
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Saw this interview with Ali's trainer.
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He said he didn't know what was wrong.
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The mouthpiece
just kept coming out bloody.
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Oh! Norton got a lot of shots in,
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but still, that was something.
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It is not an easy thing
to break a human being's jaw.
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Let me assure you...
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that takes practice.
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Hey, welcome to Oregon.
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Thanks.
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I'm Holden Ford, this is Bill Tench.
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We're with the Federal Bureau of...
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Can I get something to drink?
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Sure. Coffee?
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Coffee's okay, I guess.
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- Could we get him a coffee, please?
- Actually...
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what I'd really love
is some cigarettes and a pizza.
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- Afraid we can't help you with that.
- Really?
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You're the FBI.
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We can get you anything
in the commissary.
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Well, fuck you for wasting my time.
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What?
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Just messing with you guys.
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Do you mind if we record?
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I don't know. Tony, do we mind?
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- You got the paperwork?
- This was pre-approved.
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- Hey, I didn't approve anything.
- You don't have to do this, Jerry.
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Okay.
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I'll do it,
as long as I know I don't have to.
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- We'll take it from here.
- Yeah, Tony, I'm good.
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Mr. Brudos...
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we are conducting interviews with people
who've been convicted of violent crimes.
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What you discuss with us cannot be used
against you in your applications...
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That's your recorder?
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Electronics these days
keep getting smaller.
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Where's the mic?
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See that little shiny part on the top?
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No shit.
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You should see the cameras coming out,
fit in your pocket.
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What you discuss with us
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cannot be used against you
in your applications for parole.
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We will be asking you
about your family history,
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antecedent behavior,
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and thought patterns surrounding
the crimes you've been convicted of.
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Our goal is to eventually publish
a statistical analysis
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which will not include your name.
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Thought this was gonna break
the monotony.
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We can go straight to the questions,
if you prefer.
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Please.
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Okay.
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Let's discuss the pre-crime phase.
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Specifically, the day before you killed
your first victim, Laura Sullivan.
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I didn't kill Laura Sullivan.
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You didn't kill...
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They never found her body.
I was never convicted of that murder.
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- But you confessed to it.
- Nope.
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On... June 27, 1969,
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you confessed to murdering Laura Sullivan,
Jane Weber, and Kathy Schmidt.
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- Don't go by that.
- Why not?
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It was given under coercion.
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You're saying it was forced?
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I am looking
at three consecutive life sentences
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thanks to an elaborate plot
by the Portland PD.
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You pleaded guilty
to three counts of murder.
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They drugged me. Beat me.
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Wouldn't let me talk to a lawyer.
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Turned away my wife.
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Told me they'd go after my kids
if I didn't confess.
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Are you saying
you never met Laura Sullivan?
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Yeah, I met her.
She was wandering around my front yard.
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- Selling encyclopedias.
- That's right.
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- That part of the confession is correct?
- Sure.
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You said...
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she was lost.
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It was raining,
she couldn't find the right address.
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But you told her
that you ordered the encyclopedias.
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Nope.
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You didn't say that?
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We got to chatting.
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She was an aspiring model.
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Not surprising, she was beautiful.
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I said I'd take some photos of her.
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Is that when you invited her in,
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- took her to the garage?
- Yep.
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Sent your wife and children out
to get hamburgers?
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I thought we could use privacy.
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Then you hit her with a two-by-four?
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Actually,
I realized I didn't have any film.
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I apologized for wasting her time,
showed her out.
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Okay.
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The day before you met Laura Sullivan.
Can you tell me what you were feeling?
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You consider yourself a bit
of a photographer, right, Jerry?
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Got my first camera at 15.
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You're into ladies' fashions?
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Mm... it's women, isn't it?
Can't call them ladies anymore.
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Women's fashions.
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I've got my magazine subscriptions,
I know what's going on.
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- You subscribe to...
- Mostly shoe catalogs.
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Shoe catalogs.
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It's my smut.
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So you masturbate to it?
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That's usually how it works.
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Did you masturbate
to the photos of your victims?
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I'm not sure what you're talking about.
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The photos the police found
in your garage?
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Did you see them?
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They're sloppy. I didn't take those.
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Actually, we did see them.
There's one of them...
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Holden, maybe you can find it.
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Did you take this picture?
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I don't remember.
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Ever since the kids were small,
I get these blackouts.
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It's hypoglycemia, low blood sugar.
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I could walk off the roof of a building
and not know it.
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You see that?
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That's you in the photo.
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Which means you took this photo.
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Which means you killed that girl.
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Boy, oh, boy.
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Kemper was right.
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Kemper?
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He said you guys were idiots.
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But I'd call you fucking morons.
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Big Ed with his big mouth.
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I bet you swallowed
every fucking line that came out of him.
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And he must have loved it.
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Wait a minute. As far as I know,
all his communication is monitored.
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What can I say?
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Prisons are like knitting circles.
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Word gets around.
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Fuck if I know. We should find out.
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Well, yeah. It's got to affect the study
if our subjects are all pen pals.
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I'll call the superintendent at Vacaville.
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Or let's just go back and ask.
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What are the chances
the warden's gonna know what's going on?
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You might as well call.
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Do you really think
that Kemper called us idiots?
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It doesn't sound like Ed to me.
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We could phone Kemper, ask him directly.
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- Ask him if he called us idiots?
- If he talks to Brudos.
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Then we would be idiots.
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Excuse me.
I believe I'm in the middle seat.
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Oh, yeah? Well, that's all right.
You can have the aisle.
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Yes, but that's the seat number
on my ticket.
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It's okay. My partner and I need to talk,
works out for both of us.
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I really think it's best
if I sat in the seat that's on my ticket.
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Thank you.
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Hey, Holden.
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Does this turn you on?
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Oh...
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- But it's sexy, right?
- Well, no.
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How different is it from this?
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I'd say it's pretty different.
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To us, maybe.
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This one...
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This could be in Playboy, easy.
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Movies, TV.
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Classic damsel in distress.
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So what are you saying,
advertising creates psychos?
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All men are pervs?
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No, but sex is our trigger.
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I'm sure Wendy has a theory.
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But this? This is how we get to him.
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Please. I can switch with you.
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I'm enjoying the leg room.
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What can I say?
Prisons are like knitting circles.
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Word gets around.
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- Fascinating.
- You think so?
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Hypoglycemia? Is he lying or denying?
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My vote's with lying.
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We can learn from what he doesn't tell us.
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You're not always going to get
a Chatty Cathy like Kemper.
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Well, yeah,
the whole talking to Kemper thing.
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We called around.
There's no evidence they were in touch.
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- Which doesn't mean they haven't.
- God, if only...
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If they're corresponding,
it could screw up our thing.
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Really?
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How is the study valid
if our subjects can compare notes?
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Wouldn't it be... cross-contamination?
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What would these two guys talk about?
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Would Brudos share with Kemper
everything he's done?
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These are two organized killers,
but they're on opposite sides
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of the spectrum when it comes to
what they'll admit.
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Kemper is overly forthcoming.
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Brudos denies everything,
even when confronted with evidence.
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It's a new behavior to sort by:
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post-conviction admission
or non-admission of guilt.
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You're excited about this.
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I am.
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We didn't get anything useful
out of that prick.
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I'm telling you, you did.
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Maybe in an academic sense,
but this isn't only about your study.
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My study?
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Once we've collected all the data,
we can all apply it.
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You mean, in four years?
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I need coffee.
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- The way he lies is very interesting.
- How so?
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Well, it's just so exaggerated.
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He can't possibly expect you
to believe him.
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We called him on a lie,
showed him evidence,
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and that ended the interview.
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So don't back him into a corner.
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Guys, post-conviction sorting?
What good is that?
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We need pre-apprehension info, not post.
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You know, Bill,
all categories are important
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for cross-referencing and sorting.
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I bet you dinner
that this guy's got more to add.
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You read the story about the girl
he held at knifepoint when he was 15?
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Made her undress, took pictures,
locked her in a corncrib.
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Then pretended to be his own twin brother.
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Right. And he talked all about Jerry.
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- That shows how fucked up he is.
- Maybe.
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There's something about disguise,
pretending to be someone else.
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It gives him room for what?
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He said he started blacking out
when his kids were small.
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So he isn't averse
to talking about his family.
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Bill, you could talk about your son.
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- No.
- Try.
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I'm not discussing my son with him.
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Well, you don't have to talk
about your family. You can make one up.
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It's just about building rapport.
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And he asked for stuff,
cigarettes and pizza. Indulge him.
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- When do you want to go back?
- I don't.
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Next week?
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Sure.
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Hey, Holden. I asked a buddy of mine
with the Portland PD.
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You might want to...
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On two.
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- Hello?
- Mrs. Cooke?
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- Yes?
- Who's Mrs. Cooke?
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- Mrs. Darcie Cooke?
- Yes?
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Hi. My name is Bill Tench,
I'm with the FBI.
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Is this about Jer?
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About your ex-husband, Mr. Brudos.
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Am I required to talk to you?
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Well, no, but I only have
a couple of questions.
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I'm sorry,
I changed my last name for a reason.
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She said, "Is this about Jer?"
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"Jer."
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00:15:24,482 --> 00:15:27,676
Those shirts looked good on you.
I can't believe you didn't buy them.
253
00:15:27,753 --> 00:15:29,511
I don't like patterns.
254
00:15:29,612 --> 00:15:32,183
You know you dress the same
off-duty as on-duty?
255
00:15:32,260 --> 00:15:33,893
I'm wearing plain clothes.
256
00:15:33,970 --> 00:15:36,226
Yeah, plain is right.
257
00:15:41,290 --> 00:15:43,483
- Ooh...
- No.
258
00:15:48,631 --> 00:15:50,117
Seven and a half.
259
00:15:50,194 --> 00:15:53,285
- Are you sure? I usually wear a seven.
- Hmm.
260
00:15:53,427 --> 00:15:55,621
Your shoes been a little tight lately?
261
00:15:56,013 --> 00:15:58,207
My boots, maybe, a little.
262
00:15:58,390 --> 00:16:02,127
Okay. Tell you what. I'll bring out
seven-and-a-half in all these.
263
00:16:02,853 --> 00:16:05,839
Yes, please. Are my feet getting bigger?
264
00:16:06,941 --> 00:16:09,887
Well, it's just half a size.
It's not that big a deal.
265
00:16:09,964 --> 00:16:11,553
I don't want big feet.
266
00:16:11,987 --> 00:16:15,641
- You do not have big feet.
- That's right, and I don't want them.
267
00:16:18,244 --> 00:16:20,771
- No way.
- Come on.
268
00:16:20,996 --> 00:16:22,814
I don't need new shoes.
269
00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:24,483
Please.
270
00:16:39,181 --> 00:16:41,168
- You look bitchin'.
- Can I take it off now?
271
00:16:41,245 --> 00:16:43,587
- You don't like them?
- I look like a Village Person.
272
00:16:43,664 --> 00:16:45,003
Ugh! Holden.
273
00:16:53,821 --> 00:16:56,181
- Excuse me, sir.
- Yes.
274
00:16:56,574 --> 00:16:59,685
Could you tell me the largest size
you have of that shoe?
275
00:16:59,910 --> 00:17:00,751
That one?
276
00:17:00,828 --> 00:17:03,190
- Yeah.
- I'm not sure. I have to go take a look.
277
00:17:03,267 --> 00:17:05,440
Could you put a pair on hold for me?
278
00:17:06,125 --> 00:17:07,525
Sure.
279
00:17:35,529 --> 00:17:37,556
Hello, ladies.
280
00:17:38,032 --> 00:17:39,248
Back for more?
281
00:17:39,325 --> 00:17:41,059
Tell us where to sit.
282
00:17:41,994 --> 00:17:44,396
That won't
be necessary this time.
283
00:17:44,914 --> 00:17:46,440
Great.
284
00:17:50,586 --> 00:17:51,986
Want to arm wrestle?
285
00:17:53,047 --> 00:17:54,656
How about a smoke?
286
00:17:55,466 --> 00:17:57,492
Well, well, well.
287
00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:01,580
I want him to light me.
288
00:18:05,809 --> 00:18:07,419
How'd you get that scar?
289
00:18:08,395 --> 00:18:09,695
Darcie...
290
00:18:09,772 --> 00:18:12,865
found out I was chasing skirt at OSU.
291
00:18:12,942 --> 00:18:15,554
- Came after me with a Ginsu.
- No, really.
292
00:18:15,631 --> 00:18:17,262
God's truth.
293
00:18:17,780 --> 00:18:20,015
She loved horror films.
294
00:18:20,366 --> 00:18:21,936
We'd appreciate honesty.
295
00:18:22,013 --> 00:18:23,560
About my scar?
296
00:18:25,496 --> 00:18:27,983
We know that you've been jumped in here
a few times.
297
00:18:29,708 --> 00:18:32,905
If you got all the answers,
what do you need from me?
298
00:18:32,982 --> 00:18:35,512
- We want details.
- We want to know why.
299
00:18:35,589 --> 00:18:36,430
Why what?
300
00:18:36,507 --> 00:18:38,160
Let's start with the women's clothes.
301
00:18:38,237 --> 00:18:40,142
Could you be more specific?
302
00:18:40,219 --> 00:18:45,084
In her testimony, your wife said
you approached her dressed as a woman.
303
00:18:45,161 --> 00:18:47,084
Hmm... she said...
304
00:18:48,143 --> 00:18:50,798
whatever the police wanted her to say.
305
00:18:50,875 --> 00:18:53,780
But you did approach her
dressed as a woman.
306
00:18:53,857 --> 00:18:55,490
- Are you married?
- Yeah.
307
00:18:55,567 --> 00:18:58,097
- What's your wife's name?
- None of your business.
308
00:18:58,174 --> 00:19:00,097
I appreciate honesty.
309
00:19:02,449 --> 00:19:03,849
Nancy.
310
00:19:03,951 --> 00:19:07,731
How does Nancy deal with things
that she doesn't understand?
311
00:19:07,808 --> 00:19:09,004
I don't follow.
312
00:19:09,081 --> 00:19:11,233
Let's just say, my wife...
313
00:19:12,626 --> 00:19:14,468
was less than adventurous.
314
00:19:14,545 --> 00:19:18,263
- You were young when you got married.
- Twenty-two. She was 17.
315
00:19:18,340 --> 00:19:20,682
- What was it about her?
- She popped my cherry.
316
00:19:20,759 --> 00:19:22,287
That seems old-fashioned.
317
00:19:22,364 --> 00:19:24,623
You married the first girl
you had sex with?
318
00:19:24,700 --> 00:19:27,001
It wasn't that unusual in 1961.
319
00:19:27,078 --> 00:19:31,044
But you had... "interests" by then.
320
00:19:31,145 --> 00:19:33,487
Stealing lingerie off of clotheslines.
321
00:19:33,564 --> 00:19:36,635
You photographed a neighborhood girl
naked when you were 15.
322
00:19:36,712 --> 00:19:39,326
Just a healthy, red-blooded American male.
323
00:19:39,403 --> 00:19:41,890
- What about the shoes?
- What shoes?
324
00:19:41,967 --> 00:19:43,163
In your garage.
325
00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:44,852
- The women's shoes.
- Ah.
326
00:19:44,929 --> 00:19:47,209
The wife loved to shop.
327
00:19:47,286 --> 00:19:50,629
There were nearly a hundred pairs.
Most of them size 16.
328
00:19:50,706 --> 00:19:53,110
Ah, those.
Friends sent those to me.
329
00:19:53,187 --> 00:19:54,716
- Friends?
- That's right.
330
00:19:54,793 --> 00:19:57,070
Why would friends send you shoes?
331
00:20:00,132 --> 00:20:02,494
Started as a goof. Got out of hand.
332
00:20:02,571 --> 00:20:03,909
That's interesting.
333
00:20:05,846 --> 00:20:07,998
- What's that?
- Hmm?
334
00:20:10,434 --> 00:20:12,401
A reward for honesty.
335
00:20:12,478 --> 00:20:15,507
Come on, Jerry.
Your friends didn't send you those shoes.
336
00:20:15,584 --> 00:20:18,699
What can I say, I'm a collector.
337
00:20:18,776 --> 00:20:19,928
Do you wear them?
338
00:20:20,005 --> 00:20:21,513
I don't have to.
339
00:20:21,590 --> 00:20:23,889
Don't have to, to what?
340
00:20:24,114 --> 00:20:26,349
- You know.
- Get off.
341
00:20:26,671 --> 00:20:27,723
He's adorable.
342
00:20:27,785 --> 00:20:30,395
I thought wearing them
was part of the allure?
343
00:20:32,122 --> 00:20:35,382
- Why's he so interested?
- I'm really just asking for Darcie.
344
00:20:35,459 --> 00:20:38,072
She still doesn't get it.
We caught up on the phone.
345
00:20:38,149 --> 00:20:39,988
- Right.
- Nice woman.
346
00:20:40,923 --> 00:20:42,491
My wife...
347
00:20:42,925 --> 00:20:44,328
wouldn't talk about me.
348
00:20:44,405 --> 00:20:45,183
Ex-wife.
349
00:20:45,260 --> 00:20:47,331
She had to divorce me to protect the kids.
350
00:20:47,408 --> 00:20:49,247
And change her last name?
351
00:20:50,307 --> 00:20:52,899
I'm sure it makes it
easier for them in school.
352
00:20:52,976 --> 00:20:54,880
What would they say
to their friends?
353
00:20:54,957 --> 00:20:58,050
Not just about the murders.
How do you explain the cross-dressing?
354
00:20:58,127 --> 00:21:00,344
"Dad's a tranny? Dad's a fag?"
355
00:21:00,421 --> 00:21:01,825
Fuck you, man.
356
00:21:01,902 --> 00:21:04,596
How does it fucking work with the shoes?
357
00:21:04,905 --> 00:21:07,456
He is dying to know.
358
00:21:07,533 --> 00:21:11,063
I'll pass it along to Darcie.
Ten years later, she's still confused.
359
00:21:11,140 --> 00:21:14,523
- Give her my love.
- I'll do that... Jer.
360
00:21:18,168 --> 00:21:19,568
Tony! Hey!
361
00:21:19,711 --> 00:21:21,219
- Get in here!
- What are you doing?
362
00:21:21,296 --> 00:21:22,417
Go fuck yourselves.
363
00:21:22,475 --> 00:21:24,765
- They're just questions.
- I've had enough.
364
00:21:24,823 --> 00:21:26,181
- What's going on?
- I'm done.
365
00:21:26,238 --> 00:21:27,830
- Wait a minute.
- I'm done!
366
00:21:27,907 --> 00:21:29,686
Bill, tell him.
367
00:21:29,763 --> 00:21:32,773
We didn't talk to your stupid wife.
She hung up on us.
368
00:21:32,850 --> 00:21:35,085
And you're forgetting something.
369
00:21:56,623 --> 00:21:58,942
Ah...
370
00:21:59,918 --> 00:22:01,403
Brand new.
371
00:22:01,587 --> 00:22:03,822
They're the biggest size they had.
372
00:22:11,096 --> 00:22:13,667
You should have brought me
a pair of Nancy's.
373
00:22:13,744 --> 00:22:15,709
- Fuck you.
- Fuck you.
374
00:22:26,904 --> 00:22:30,100
So when did it start,
your interest in women's shoes?
375
00:22:30,177 --> 00:22:32,434
It didn't start. It was always there.
376
00:22:32,993 --> 00:22:37,379
There must have been a moment
during puberty when it became... sexual.
377
00:22:37,456 --> 00:22:39,651
I got my first pair of heels at five.
378
00:22:39,728 --> 00:22:41,066
Five?
379
00:22:41,293 --> 00:22:43,844
- Five years old?
- Stilettos.
380
00:22:43,921 --> 00:22:46,408
Found them in the junkyard,
brought 'em home.
381
00:22:46,485 --> 00:22:47,430
Why?
382
00:22:47,507 --> 00:22:50,621
Never seen anything like 'em before,
except in pictures.
383
00:22:50,698 --> 00:22:52,539
Didn't your mom wear heels?
384
00:22:52,616 --> 00:22:53,955
Never.
385
00:22:55,349 --> 00:22:57,469
What'd she think
when you brought them home?
386
00:23:04,816 --> 00:23:07,469
One time,
my mom walked in on me jacking off.
387
00:23:07,819 --> 00:23:08,847
Came into my bedroom.
388
00:23:08,924 --> 00:23:11,640
- I hadn't locked the door.
- Really?
389
00:23:12,658 --> 00:23:14,184
- Yeah.
- What'd she do?
390
00:23:14,326 --> 00:23:16,126
I'd never seen her so shocked.
391
00:23:16,203 --> 00:23:19,149
It's like I was doing something
too horrible to even imagine.
392
00:23:19,226 --> 00:23:21,107
She thought I needed help.
393
00:23:21,184 --> 00:23:22,925
She offered to help?
394
00:23:23,003 --> 00:23:25,144
Psychological help.
395
00:23:27,798 --> 00:23:31,683
- My mom burned the shoes.
- The stilettos?
396
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,685
Dragged me into the backyard,
397
00:23:33,762 --> 00:23:36,414
poured kerosene all over 'em, lit 'em up.
398
00:23:36,765 --> 00:23:40,085
- That must have been memorable.
- She always said she wanted a girl.
399
00:23:41,353 --> 00:23:43,153
She wanted you to be a girl?
400
00:23:43,230 --> 00:23:45,509
She had my brother,
that's what she wanted next.
401
00:23:45,586 --> 00:23:47,574
- She told you this?
- All the time.
402
00:23:47,651 --> 00:23:50,303
Why was she so upset
when you brought home the shoes?
403
00:23:50,696 --> 00:23:53,181
I was wearing 'em around the house.
404
00:23:53,949 --> 00:23:56,311
Were you trying to be
what she wanted you to be?
405
00:23:56,388 --> 00:23:57,726
What?
406
00:23:57,828 --> 00:24:00,438
Were you trying to be a girl?
407
00:24:02,833 --> 00:24:06,611
Fuck no, I never wanted to be a girl.
408
00:24:06,795 --> 00:24:08,845
I liked the shoes.
409
00:24:08,922 --> 00:24:11,514
I didn't know why she was so angry.
410
00:24:11,591 --> 00:24:14,997
I took a pair of my teacher's shoes,
and she didn't lose her fucking mind.
411
00:24:15,074 --> 00:24:16,164
Your teacher's shoes?
412
00:24:16,241 --> 00:24:18,456
Mrs. Kernegan. First grade.
413
00:24:19,224 --> 00:24:22,254
- She'd kick her shoes off under the desk.
- Heels?
414
00:24:22,331 --> 00:24:25,111
Low, but stylish.
She checked our book bags.
415
00:24:25,188 --> 00:24:28,135
When she found them on me,
I thought she'd go berserk,
416
00:24:28,212 --> 00:24:30,992
but... she was just curious.
417
00:24:31,069 --> 00:24:33,471
- About what?
- Why I had taken them.
418
00:24:37,617 --> 00:24:40,478
Women always want to know, don't they?
419
00:24:40,829 --> 00:24:43,606
- At least they think they do.
- Did Darcie want to know?
420
00:24:46,835 --> 00:24:48,945
It's tricky when you're married.
421
00:24:49,379 --> 00:24:52,532
You either have to deny yourself or...
422
00:24:52,716 --> 00:24:54,265
keep a private space.
423
00:24:54,342 --> 00:24:55,537
Like a golf course.
424
00:24:57,679 --> 00:25:00,355
I put a lock on the garage,
installed an intercom
425
00:25:00,432 --> 00:25:02,919
so she could call in
if she needed something from the freezer.
426
00:25:02,996 --> 00:25:05,230
Wouldn't want her finding your trophies.
427
00:25:07,856 --> 00:25:11,718
She would not have wanted that.
428
00:25:37,260 --> 00:25:38,870
What the fuck?
429
00:25:43,183 --> 00:25:44,583
Tony!
430
00:25:44,726 --> 00:25:47,110
- That was amazing.
- Yeah, that was great.
431
00:25:47,187 --> 00:25:49,341
All that shit
about his mom burning the shoes.
432
00:25:49,418 --> 00:25:50,756
Uh-huh.
433
00:25:50,982 --> 00:25:52,344
The high heels worked.
434
00:25:52,421 --> 00:25:54,052
You could say that.
435
00:25:54,361 --> 00:25:56,012
Let me ask you something.
436
00:25:56,154 --> 00:25:58,350
Was that true about your mom
walking in on you?
437
00:25:58,427 --> 00:26:00,749
- Yeah.
- It didn't bother you, using that?
438
00:26:00,826 --> 00:26:03,688
Who doesn't have a weird story
about their mom and sex?
439
00:26:03,765 --> 00:26:07,899
You're telling a private, personal story
to a murderous asshole.
440
00:26:10,460 --> 00:26:11,903
It bothered me.
441
00:26:18,385 --> 00:26:20,330
Is this about Nancy?
442
00:26:25,329 --> 00:26:26,388
Nothing wrong with...
443
00:26:26,446 --> 00:26:28,431
If what we're doing
doesn't get under your skin,
444
00:26:28,493 --> 00:26:31,172
you're more screwed up than I thought
or kidding yourself.
445
00:26:48,707 --> 00:26:52,819
You're just like a son to me.
You never did nothing I told you to do.
446
00:26:54,629 --> 00:26:58,741
Hey, Archie. We want you
and Ma to come visit us out there.
447
00:26:59,217 --> 00:27:02,456
Well, maybe your mother-in-law
can do that, but, you know...
448
00:28:22,092 --> 00:28:23,492
Hello?
449
00:28:25,262 --> 00:28:27,705
Where are you?
450
00:29:54,392 --> 00:29:56,921
They almost said it was our fault.
451
00:29:56,998 --> 00:30:00,613
Jesus, Nancy. I don't know what to say.
452
00:30:00,690 --> 00:30:03,178
Well, I was hoping
for a little more than that.
453
00:30:03,255 --> 00:30:05,034
I can't talk about this now. Okay?
454
00:30:05,111 --> 00:30:08,071
Brian's teacher thinks we're not
paying enough attention to this.
455
00:30:08,406 --> 00:30:10,683
That's why he's acting out.
456
00:30:11,242 --> 00:30:13,362
- We have to do something.
- Uh-huh.
457
00:30:13,703 --> 00:30:16,566
Is that a "Uh-huh, I know,"
or is that "Uh-huh, uh-huh"?
458
00:30:16,643 --> 00:30:18,316
The first.
459
00:30:19,876 --> 00:30:21,863
You want to go
to Lamplighter tonight or not?
460
00:30:21,940 --> 00:30:24,115
Sure. But why are you being like this?
461
00:30:24,192 --> 00:30:27,241
Like I said, I really can't talk
about this now. Okay?
462
00:30:27,550 --> 00:30:29,494
- Did you finish it?
- I did.
463
00:30:30,387 --> 00:30:32,186
It's pretty great, right?
464
00:30:32,263 --> 00:30:34,749
Can you believe
what he said about his mom?
465
00:30:37,227 --> 00:30:39,462
- Did you listen to it?
- Mm-hmm.
466
00:30:41,231 --> 00:30:43,114
What's in the box?
467
00:30:43,191 --> 00:30:45,720
Holden's idea. You figure it out?
468
00:30:45,797 --> 00:30:47,368
I'm guessing shoes.
469
00:30:47,445 --> 00:30:48,703
He got an erection.
470
00:30:48,780 --> 00:30:51,331
- Isn't that what you wanted?
- We wanted to get him talking.
471
00:30:51,408 --> 00:30:54,229
No, you baited him with those shoes
and you lied to him about his wife.
472
00:30:54,306 --> 00:30:57,065
He pulled that bullshit about Kemper,
so we used the same tactic.
473
00:30:57,142 --> 00:31:00,465
- So it was revenge?
- No. Speaking his language.
474
00:31:00,542 --> 00:31:02,842
This is a scientific study,
not a locker room hazing.
475
00:31:02,919 --> 00:31:04,406
- Let me explain.
- Please.
476
00:31:04,483 --> 00:31:06,804
Guys communicate in a certain way.
477
00:31:06,881 --> 00:31:10,224
It can be rough, but it's like a code,
it gets out the conflict.
478
00:31:10,301 --> 00:31:12,977
Well, thank you for illuminating me
on male rituals.
479
00:31:13,054 --> 00:31:15,021
You threw our questionnaire
right out the window.
480
00:31:15,098 --> 00:31:16,751
Your questionnaire, which wasn't working.
481
00:31:16,828 --> 00:31:19,838
All you wanted to do was force him
to admit that he wears women's clothes.
482
00:31:19,915 --> 00:31:21,903
Yeah, get under his disguise.
483
00:31:21,980 --> 00:31:24,175
Cross-dressing
is part of his psychology.
484
00:31:24,252 --> 00:31:27,929
His fixation on women's clothes,
women's bodies, wanting to own them,
485
00:31:28,006 --> 00:31:29,327
wanting to inhabit them.
486
00:31:29,404 --> 00:31:32,183
If we can understand that,
we can recognize it in another killer.
487
00:31:32,260 --> 00:31:35,917
Cross-dressing is not an antecedent
to homicidal behavior.
488
00:31:35,994 --> 00:31:36,876
I didn't say that.
489
00:31:36,953 --> 00:31:39,545
For most people,
it's a harmless form of expression.
490
00:31:39,622 --> 00:31:41,130
- Most people?
- Those who do it.
491
00:31:41,207 --> 00:31:44,446
But it's usually sexual, right?
And we know sex drives our subjects.
492
00:31:44,523 --> 00:31:45,739
It's sometimes sexual.
493
00:31:45,816 --> 00:31:48,346
Transvestism has been practiced
in every era,
494
00:31:48,423 --> 00:31:49,826
- in every human culture.
- Come on.
495
00:31:49,903 --> 00:31:51,911
If you want to teach a class,
go back to Boston.
496
00:31:51,988 --> 00:31:53,663
No, you weren't speaking his language.
497
00:31:53,740 --> 00:31:57,689
You were persecuting him about something
that challenges your masculinity.
498
00:31:57,766 --> 00:31:59,627
- What?
- That interview was personal.
499
00:31:59,704 --> 00:32:02,527
- No, this is personal.
- Guys.
500
00:32:02,604 --> 00:32:04,237
- You're being irrational.
- Oh, Jesus.
501
00:32:04,314 --> 00:32:05,904
- Where's this coming from?
- I don't know.
502
00:32:05,961 --> 00:32:08,366
Maybe shock
at your total lack of objectivity.
503
00:32:08,443 --> 00:32:10,116
- We were supposed to be objective?
- Mm-hmm.
504
00:32:10,173 --> 00:32:13,454
I seem to remember you encouraging us
to use our families to get to him.
505
00:32:13,531 --> 00:32:15,873
- How objective is that?
- We have to use strategies.
506
00:32:15,950 --> 00:32:18,813
I said use fake information,
as long as you establish rapport...
507
00:32:18,890 --> 00:32:21,441
That's not what you said.
And it's not possible.
508
00:32:21,518 --> 00:32:24,819
It is not possible to communicate
with someone like Brudos and be fake.
509
00:32:24,896 --> 00:32:29,280
We can hassle him or we can open up
to him, but either option has a cost.
510
00:32:34,344 --> 00:32:36,120
Musical therapy.
511
00:32:37,013 --> 00:32:38,708
She comes highly recommended.
512
00:32:38,785 --> 00:32:41,626
She has like ten years of experience... Oh.
513
00:32:47,857 --> 00:32:49,257
Thank you.
514
00:32:50,485 --> 00:32:53,638
The only thing is,
she's in Charlottesville.
515
00:32:54,197 --> 00:32:56,205
I looked for someone in D.C.
516
00:32:56,282 --> 00:32:59,250
You'd think they'd have
music therapists in D.C.
517
00:32:59,327 --> 00:33:04,398
with all the politicians' kids there,
but maybe it's considered too alternative.
518
00:33:05,083 --> 00:33:07,946
I don't know that she's a hippie.
I only talked to her on the phone.
519
00:33:08,023 --> 00:33:11,447
But she... she sounded very nice.
520
00:33:11,756 --> 00:33:13,157
Professional.
521
00:33:20,056 --> 00:33:21,606
I could drive him there once a week.
522
00:33:21,683 --> 00:33:23,628
Maybe even get him out of school
a little early,
523
00:33:23,705 --> 00:33:27,046
which could also be a good thing,
after what happened today.
524
00:33:29,983 --> 00:33:32,426
- How much is she?
- Forty-five.
525
00:33:33,444 --> 00:33:34,702
An hour?
526
00:33:34,779 --> 00:33:36,514
An hour and a half.
527
00:33:37,532 --> 00:33:40,935
- Nancy, that's a lot.
- You spend that much on a golf club.
528
00:33:41,578 --> 00:33:44,355
Yeah, but when you buy a club,
you have the club.
529
00:33:47,208 --> 00:33:50,446
I got a recommendation
for a child psychologist in Woodbridge,
530
00:33:50,523 --> 00:33:51,946
much closer.
531
00:33:52,463 --> 00:33:54,784
- You got a recommendation? When?
- Mm-hmm.
532
00:33:54,861 --> 00:33:56,432
About a month ago.
533
00:33:56,509 --> 00:33:58,119
Why didn't you tell me?
534
00:33:58,219 --> 00:34:00,520
Because I really don't want
to send him to a shrink.
535
00:34:00,597 --> 00:34:01,958
- Me neither.
- But at that price,
536
00:34:02,035 --> 00:34:04,711
I'd rather send him to a doctor
than some hippie musician.
537
00:34:04,788 --> 00:34:07,297
Please. This is not about the money.
538
00:34:07,374 --> 00:34:08,796
Of course not.
539
00:34:09,898 --> 00:34:11,299
I was...
540
00:34:14,611 --> 00:34:16,929
I was hoping it wouldn't go this far.
541
00:34:53,483 --> 00:34:55,176
It's a private school.
542
00:34:55,443 --> 00:34:58,222
If he keeps biting other children,
he's gonna get kicked out.
543
00:34:58,299 --> 00:35:01,080
He's getting bullied,
so he's defending himself.
544
00:35:01,157 --> 00:35:04,727
- We should have held him back a year.
- I don't think that's the problem.
545
00:35:05,161 --> 00:35:07,772
He's fine with me, he's great with Julie.
546
00:35:12,877 --> 00:35:15,573
I've read a couple of books
which recommend music therapy
547
00:35:15,650 --> 00:35:17,575
when a child needs
communication training.
548
00:35:17,652 --> 00:35:20,703
"Communication training."
Is that what the books call it?
549
00:35:20,780 --> 00:35:23,245
Sure describes what we need.
550
00:35:23,930 --> 00:35:27,041
I'm exhausted, Nancy.
Could we table this for tonight?
551
00:35:31,312 --> 00:35:33,424
Looks like
we gotta do it ourselves.
552
00:35:33,501 --> 00:35:35,132
Let's work on these ropes.
553
00:35:36,832 --> 00:35:38,044
Hi, Julie.
554
00:35:38,102 --> 00:35:39,827
It's no use!
555
00:35:40,700 --> 00:35:42,848
We're home a little early tonight.
556
00:35:44,951 --> 00:35:46,644
Hey.
557
00:35:46,786 --> 00:35:48,562
Is everything okay?
558
00:35:48,913 --> 00:35:49,983
Is Brian all right?
559
00:35:50,060 --> 00:35:51,565
He's asleep.
560
00:35:52,667 --> 00:35:54,175
Did something happen?
561
00:35:54,252 --> 00:35:57,511
When I was putting him to bed,
I found something under it.
562
00:35:57,588 --> 00:35:59,701
- What did you find?
- I don't have change,
563
00:35:59,778 --> 00:36:01,409
so here's a little bonus.
564
00:36:05,805 --> 00:36:07,845
She found this under Brian's bed.
565
00:36:11,936 --> 00:36:13,504
Julie, I'm so sorry.
566
00:36:13,646 --> 00:36:16,906
You know I'm an FBI agent.
I work on some rough cases.
567
00:36:16,983 --> 00:36:19,846
He must have got this out of my office.
I should lock that file cabinet.
568
00:36:19,923 --> 00:36:21,931
Honey, you shouldn't have had to see that.
569
00:36:22,008 --> 00:36:23,099
Brian saw it, too.
570
00:36:23,176 --> 00:36:24,514
Of course.
571
00:36:24,949 --> 00:36:27,103
- We really messed up.
- I messed up.
572
00:36:27,180 --> 00:36:28,292
He gets into things.
573
00:36:28,369 --> 00:36:29,876
We need
to keep a closer eye on him.
574
00:36:29,933 --> 00:36:32,442
- We'll find a way to explain it.
- I'll talk to him,
575
00:36:32,519 --> 00:36:34,694
make sure he understands
there's nothing wrong.
576
00:36:34,771 --> 00:36:37,862
- Nothing's wrong?
- Honey, come here.
577
00:36:39,255 --> 00:36:41,097
- Are you all right?
- Um...
578
00:36:41,174 --> 00:36:44,996
I've been meaning to tell you, my parents
want me to get some real job experience,
579
00:36:45,073 --> 00:36:47,645
so I'm applying at the mall and...
580
00:36:47,722 --> 00:36:50,958
But you'd still be able
to sit for us sometimes, right?
581
00:36:51,142 --> 00:36:53,004
I think it's going to be hard.
582
00:36:53,081 --> 00:36:55,754
Julie, honey...
583
00:36:56,022 --> 00:36:57,965
you've been with us for years.
584
00:36:58,191 --> 00:36:59,635
I'm sorry, Mrs. Tench.
585
00:36:59,712 --> 00:37:01,302
Don't forget your money.
586
00:37:04,030 --> 00:37:06,223
Please say goodbye to Brian for me.
587
00:37:06,783 --> 00:37:08,183
Julie...
588
00:37:13,539 --> 00:37:17,651
I know that file cabinet has a lock.
I just have to find the key.
589
00:37:18,419 --> 00:37:20,112
Or get a new one.
590
00:37:20,254 --> 00:37:22,239
That one's 20 years old.
591
00:37:23,424 --> 00:37:25,493
Kid's kind of a Houdini, though.
592
00:37:25,570 --> 00:37:27,369
Maybe I should get a safe.
593
00:37:28,513 --> 00:37:30,372
Why is it in the house at all?
594
00:37:31,808 --> 00:37:33,920
It's work.
I have to bring it home sometimes.
595
00:37:33,997 --> 00:37:36,712
That? You have to bring that home?
596
00:37:37,563 --> 00:37:39,173
What do you do with it?
597
00:37:39,524 --> 00:37:41,926
Examine it for clues.
598
00:37:43,111 --> 00:37:45,763
You don't tell me a thing
about what you do.
599
00:37:45,947 --> 00:37:47,246
Now you know why.
600
00:37:47,323 --> 00:37:49,622
- You don't need to protect me.
- I'm trying to protect everybody.
601
00:37:49,679 --> 00:37:52,311
No, you need to protect your son.
602
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:55,773
What was he doing in my office
in the first place?
603
00:37:56,374 --> 00:37:59,967
We can't watch him every second.
He's always trying to get in there.
604
00:38:00,044 --> 00:38:01,531
Because he knows it's not allowed.
605
00:38:01,608 --> 00:38:04,865
- I should put a lock on the door.
- He's trying to get closer to you!
606
00:38:05,633 --> 00:38:07,475
Sometimes I find him in our closet.
607
00:38:07,552 --> 00:38:10,788
He's putting on your ties.
He's walking around in your shoes.
608
00:38:12,932 --> 00:38:15,795
I'm here on the weekends now.
I'm putting in the time.
609
00:38:15,872 --> 00:38:19,630
When you're not at the golf course,
you're angling to get there.
610
00:38:20,356 --> 00:38:22,426
When you're playing with him,
you check your watch.
611
00:38:22,503 --> 00:38:25,763
- Well, to be honest, he's not much fun.
- He's not much fun?!
612
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,890
I know how that sounds, but I've tried.
613
00:38:27,967 --> 00:38:31,435
- He's just not interested.
- It takes more than turning up, Bill.
614
00:38:31,512 --> 00:38:34,960
Okay, you... you need to play with him.
615
00:38:35,037 --> 00:38:38,151
I can't have a conversation with him.
I can't get a hug out of him.
616
00:38:38,228 --> 00:38:40,153
I can't even get him
to look me in the eye.
617
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:42,736
- He is not beyond hope.
- Well, maybe I am.
618
00:38:43,171 --> 00:38:44,407
Want to know what I do?
619
00:38:44,484 --> 00:38:47,157
Want to see what I work on every night?
Come on.
620
00:38:48,634 --> 00:38:50,244
That's the tip of the iceberg.
621
00:38:51,220 --> 00:38:53,646
A young mother with a boy Brian's age.
622
00:38:53,723 --> 00:38:55,606
Killer did the same thing to him.
623
00:38:55,683 --> 00:38:58,669
You want to see that photo?
I got it here somewhere.
624
00:38:58,895 --> 00:39:00,319
This one's interesting.
625
00:39:00,396 --> 00:39:03,114
A woman who was stabbed,
raped, breasts cut off.
626
00:39:03,191 --> 00:39:05,928
Turns out it was her boyfriend,
his brother, and their sister.
627
00:39:06,005 --> 00:39:07,636
A little family affair.
628
00:39:07,945 --> 00:39:11,267
Here's the one I'm working on now.
Lovely guy by the name of Jerry Brudos.
629
00:39:11,344 --> 00:39:13,477
Murdered four women
not much older than Julie.
630
00:39:13,554 --> 00:39:15,292
Strung them up in his garage.
631
00:39:15,369 --> 00:39:18,858
One of them came to his door accidentally.
One of them had car trouble.
632
00:39:18,935 --> 00:39:23,569
One of them he grabbed from a parking
garage on her way to lunch with her mom.
633
00:39:35,223 --> 00:39:36,624
I'm sorry.
634
00:39:37,058 --> 00:39:38,459
I know.
635
00:39:41,729 --> 00:39:43,339
I'm sorry.
636
00:41:15,573 --> 00:41:17,141
Your favorite...
637
00:41:18,826 --> 00:41:20,728
Quantico Blend.
638
00:41:23,331 --> 00:41:24,731
Thank you.
639
00:41:28,586 --> 00:41:30,719
- The mom.
- Hmm?
640
00:41:30,796 --> 00:41:32,948
The mom and the shoes.
641
00:41:33,215 --> 00:41:34,992
Something happened there.
642
00:41:36,427 --> 00:41:37,828
Clearly.
643
00:41:39,972 --> 00:41:41,457
What was it?
644
00:41:41,932 --> 00:41:43,459
Her reaction?
645
00:41:47,313 --> 00:41:48,881
The force of it.
646
00:41:49,607 --> 00:41:52,968
Burning the shoes
seared them into his mind as forbidden.
647
00:41:54,528 --> 00:41:57,014
Which became part of the sexual fantasy.
648
00:41:58,824 --> 00:42:01,687
Then the teacher had
an entirely different reaction.
649
00:42:01,764 --> 00:42:06,398
So he's getting mixed messages
from two adult women about his impulses.
650
00:42:08,918 --> 00:42:13,530
Brudos said that he was attracted
to women's shoes before all of that.
651
00:42:14,131 --> 00:42:16,825
He took the stilettos from the dump
when he was five.
652
00:42:17,009 --> 00:42:19,872
Not everyone agrees
with Freud's theories on sexuality,
653
00:42:19,949 --> 00:42:23,918
but he did hit upon how young we are
when we start to form preferences.
654
00:42:23,995 --> 00:42:25,751
So when did that come in?
655
00:42:26,477 --> 00:42:29,028
How did it get tied to his sexuality?
656
00:42:29,105 --> 00:42:32,301
Was there a point at which someone
could have... intervened?
657
00:42:32,378 --> 00:42:34,635
Well, you're asking the right questions.
658
00:42:34,735 --> 00:42:36,097
I want the right answers.
659
00:42:36,174 --> 00:42:37,554
Don't we all.
660
00:42:39,490 --> 00:42:41,892
- I'm glad you're here.
- Well...
661
00:42:56,841 --> 00:42:59,850
Hey, Bill. I've been thinking
about another angle with Brudos.
662
00:42:59,927 --> 00:43:02,581
Remember what Wendy said
about deflecting responsibility?
663
00:43:02,658 --> 00:43:03,997
Save it.
664
00:43:12,189 --> 00:43:13,446
Fairfield Police Department.
665
00:43:13,503 --> 00:43:17,159
May I speak with Detective McGraw?
This is Bill Tench with the FBI.
666
00:43:17,236 --> 00:43:19,432
- He's out right now. Can I take a message?
- Yes.
667
00:43:19,509 --> 00:43:22,289
Ask him to look at the photos
from the Ada Jeffries case.
668
00:43:22,366 --> 00:43:23,936
- Ada Jeffries?
- That's right.
669
00:43:24,013 --> 00:43:26,647
Tell him to look at the knots
that were used to tie her up.
670
00:43:26,724 --> 00:43:30,232
They're nautical
and Fairfield is landlocked.
671
00:43:30,374 --> 00:43:32,194
- Okay, I'll let him know.
- Thank you.
672
00:43:32,271 --> 00:43:35,552
- You're back on Fairfield?
- We said we'd take a look.
673
00:43:35,629 --> 00:43:38,782
- Are you sure there's still something...
- Holden, leave me alone.
674
00:43:40,259 --> 00:43:43,036
Somebody got up
on the wrong side of the bed.
675
00:43:45,347 --> 00:43:46,747
Bill.
676
00:43:48,058 --> 00:43:51,338
What I was saying yesterday
about remaining objective,
677
00:43:51,415 --> 00:43:53,463
you were right, it's bullshit.
678
00:43:53,647 --> 00:43:55,215
It's very hard.
679
00:43:55,441 --> 00:43:56,844
I've been around crazy.
680
00:43:56,921 --> 00:43:58,367
I was in the army.
681
00:43:58,444 --> 00:44:00,181
Road School was a cakewalk.
682
00:44:00,258 --> 00:44:04,957
I didn't mind talking about this stuff.
But what the fuck did I even know?
683
00:44:05,034 --> 00:44:09,479
These people are extremely damaged,
and they know how to cause damage.
684
00:44:09,622 --> 00:44:11,380
I'm running on fumes.
685
00:44:11,457 --> 00:44:12,651
Can you take a break?
686
00:44:12,728 --> 00:44:14,943
- No.
- Talk to someone?
687
00:44:15,419 --> 00:44:17,656
- I'm talking to you.
- No, a professional.
688
00:44:17,733 --> 00:44:19,263
You are professional.
689
00:44:19,340 --> 00:44:21,160
I'm your coworker.
I can't be your therapist.
690
00:44:21,237 --> 00:44:24,828
Therapist? It's not like that.
691
00:44:25,221 --> 00:44:28,165
Times have changed.
You don't have to be the good soldier.
692
00:44:30,726 --> 00:44:32,669
He's fucking immune.
693
00:44:33,771 --> 00:44:35,672
How do I tap into that?
694
00:44:37,233 --> 00:44:40,594
- ♪♪ Rock music playing loudly...
- [buzzer sounds]
695
00:44:41,612 --> 00:44:44,514
♪ Hot child in the city ♪
696
00:44:45,991 --> 00:44:48,727
♪ Running wild, looking pretty ♪
697
00:44:50,329 --> 00:44:52,940
♪ Hot child in the city ♪
698
00:44:56,168 --> 00:44:57,780
♪ So young ♪
699
00:44:57,857 --> 00:45:01,657
♪ To be loose and on her own ♪
700
00:45:05,135 --> 00:45:07,957
- Hello, there.
- Oh, my God. You look fantastic.
701
00:45:08,034 --> 00:45:09,414
So do you.
702
00:45:10,182 --> 00:45:13,543
I am so happy to be done with exams.
703
00:45:14,728 --> 00:45:16,922
Mm... I made dinner.
704
00:45:17,356 --> 00:45:21,491
Oh.
705
00:45:21,568 --> 00:45:23,785
That was astounding.
706
00:45:23,862 --> 00:45:25,349
Well, don't sound so surprised.
707
00:45:25,426 --> 00:45:28,560
- You've been holding out on me.
- Isn't that what nice girls do?
708
00:45:28,637 --> 00:45:30,209
It worked. Marry me.
709
00:45:30,286 --> 00:45:32,354
So I can cook for you? No.
710
00:45:34,331 --> 00:45:36,316
To your culinary skills.
711
00:45:38,836 --> 00:45:41,073
- To your fellatio skills.
- Just stop.
712
00:45:41,150 --> 00:45:42,324
To changing my life.
713
00:45:42,401 --> 00:45:44,157
To opening my mind.
714
00:45:45,426 --> 00:45:47,496
Inspiring me to go back to school.
715
00:45:47,573 --> 00:45:49,246
Wasn't this toast about me?
716
00:45:52,016 --> 00:45:54,334
I want you to know that I see you.
717
00:45:54,518 --> 00:45:57,045
How dedicated you are, how disciplined.
718
00:45:58,564 --> 00:45:59,964
Hey.
719
00:46:00,065 --> 00:46:03,387
You have the courage
to follow your curiosity.
720
00:46:03,464 --> 00:46:04,910
Okay, enough.
721
00:46:04,987 --> 00:46:08,348
- And you put up with my tendency to go on.
- That, I do.
722
00:46:12,411 --> 00:46:14,628
I am truly delighted to be in your life.
723
00:46:14,705 --> 00:46:17,443
♪♪ Bobby Caldwell's
"What You Won't Do for Love" playing...
724
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,568
♪ What you won't do ♪
725
00:46:20,377 --> 00:46:22,487
♪ Do for love ♪
726
00:46:23,339 --> 00:46:25,492
♪ You've tried everything ♪
727
00:46:25,569 --> 00:46:26,907
Come on.
728
00:46:30,888 --> 00:46:32,288
Come on.
729
00:46:33,974 --> 00:46:36,649
- ♪♪ "Two Out of Three Ain't Bad" playing...
- ♪ I want you, I want you ♪
730
00:46:36,706 --> 00:46:39,673
♪ I need you, I need you ♪
731
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:45,534
♪ But there ain't no way
I'm ever gonna love you ♪
732
00:46:45,611 --> 00:46:47,345
Hold that thought.
733
00:46:48,947 --> 00:46:51,268
♪ Don't be sad ♪
734
00:46:51,345 --> 00:46:56,688
♪ 'Cause two out of three ain't bad ♪
735
00:46:57,581 --> 00:47:02,778
♪ Now don't be sad ♪
736
00:47:03,671 --> 00:47:08,617
♪ 'Cause two out of three ain't bad ♪
737
00:48:29,131 --> 00:48:30,574
What's wrong?
738
00:48:31,758 --> 00:48:33,243
You don't like it?
739
00:48:36,472 --> 00:48:38,081
No, I love it.
740
00:49:26,688 --> 00:49:28,173
Are you okay?
741
00:49:32,903 --> 00:49:34,346
It's weird.
742
00:49:37,824 --> 00:49:39,267
This?
743
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,437
It's just... not you.
744
00:49:46,542 --> 00:49:49,277
Yeah, Holden. That's the point.
745
00:50:00,138 --> 00:50:02,499
♪♪ No Mercy's "Kiss You All Over" playing...
746
00:50:02,683 --> 00:50:06,086
♪ I wanna kiss you all over ♪
747
00:50:07,771 --> 00:50:11,675
♪ Till the night closes in ♪
748
00:50:12,609 --> 00:50:16,346
♪ Till the night closes in ♪
749
00:50:22,035 --> 00:50:26,189
♪ Till the night closes in ♪
750
00:50:31,253 --> 00:50:34,823
♪ Till the night closes in ♪
751
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♪ Till the night closes in ♪