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*MINDHUNTER*
Season 01 Episode 06
Title: "Episode #1.6"
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- Thanks for coming up, Dr. Carr.
- Of course.
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I realized I don't know much
about your life in Boston,
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outside of your work at the university.
Do you have a husband?
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- No.
- Kids, or...?
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No. Neither.
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I've been following your work,
and I have to say I'm rather impressed.
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Well, thank you. I appreciate that.
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I'm not the only one. There's a growing
interest in your project around here.
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So I was wondering, Agents Tench
and Ford can't run this all by themselves,
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if you would be interested in managing
the project and keeping things on track
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in a more permanent position
here at Quantico.
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- No. I can't.
- You don't have to answer now.
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It's very flattering,
but I already have a job in Boston.
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Dr. Carr, your knowledge
and professionalism
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have already had a great impact
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on our understanding
of behavioral science.
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It would be a shame
not to take full advantage of that.
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Take your time.
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Sleep on it.
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I'd rather you didn't tell Tench or Ford
about this until you make your decision.
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- They don't know?
- No.
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I have two questions for you, Benjamin.
First one...
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- That thing on?
- Yes.
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What the fuck were you crying about
last time we saw you?
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And secondly, and this one
is a big question,
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so I want you to listen very carefully.
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Are you listening to me? Benji?
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Why? Why would you do that
to Beverly Jean?
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Fractured jaw. Two black eyes.
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Why?
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Fourteen stab wounds in the torso
with a kitchen knife.
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Blow to the head, blunt force trauma.
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Her breasts were amputated.
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I need to know this.
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Why would you do that
to your girlfriend, man?
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I didn't.
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So you're telling us it was Frank.
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He called us. He was freaked out.
I went over.
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- And then?
- I walked into the living room
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and Beverly Jean was knocked out
on the floor, tied up.
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Did he tell you what happened?
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Benji was a total mess.
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Think he tried to get into her panties,
she wouldn't let him, he knocked her out.
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- That's why he called you?
- He calls me when he's in trouble.
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- She was alive at this point?
- Yes.
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- So why'd you kill her?
- Don't answer that.
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I didn't.
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Why would a man, any man,
do that to a woman's breasts?
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And who would take a hunting knife
to a woman's reproductive organs?
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All right.
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"All right"?
There's nothing right about it.
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That's enough.
Now my client's also a victim here.
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A victim?
Interesting, thank you, I'll take that.
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Let's do an easy one.
Why did you do that to her hair?
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- You don't have to answer that.
- So you did cut her hair?
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Frank seems to think Beverly Jean
got to a point
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where she was interested
in seeing other guys.
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- She'd just had her hair done, right?
- Let me ask you one more thing.
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How does stabbing somebody
in the asshole make you feel better?
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Enough. This is speculation.
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You still have the death penalty
in Pennsylvania?
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Don't threaten my client.
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Tell us you're not a monster.
Give us one reason to believe.
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She fucked Frank.
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He told you this?
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- I saw.
- What?
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I saw her on the living room floor
with Frank on top of her.
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So what did you do?
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- Nothing.
- You didn't do anything?
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- No.
- You didn't hit him?
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- No.
- You hit her.
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Why would Beverly Jean
want sex with Frank?
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He's always saying he liked her hair.
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Every time he saw her.
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Thing is, he didn't care about her hair
at all. He just used it to rile me.
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She was too stupid to notice.
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- So you killed her?
- I didn't kill her.
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She was already dead when I stabbed her.
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She was already dead.
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- You raped her in front of him?
- He told you that?
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Why fuck your brother-in-law's girlfriend?
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- Maybe show him how to do it?
- Maybe to mess with him?
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Fuck you.
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I hope they fry your ass
in the fucking chair.
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Don't try to intimidate my client.
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If Benjamin killed her,
you should just tell us.
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I didn't see Benji kill her.
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I hate that fuck Frank,
but it's always the boyfriend.
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When you're lost, you play the odds.
It's Benjamin.
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I'm not so sure.
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You should have seen Frank
after you walked out of the room.
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He looked at me and said,
"I did not see Benjamin kill her."
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- They're messing with us.
- I believed him.
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- I am sick and tired of this shithole.
- I know.
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Hey. Nancy made me promise
to invite you to dinner.
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She wants to see who I'm spending
all this time with. Have a look at you.
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I would love that.
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- Could I bring Debbie?
- Of course.
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Thanks.
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I saw Benji.
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He had his head in his hands.
He was crying.
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There was blood everywhere.
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Splashing.
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And then I see Beverly Jean
in the bathtub.
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Was she alive?
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I saw Benji.
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He had his head in his hands.
He was crying.
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There was blood everywhere.
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Splashing.
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And then I see Beverly Jean
in the bathtub.
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She was there.
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What makes you say that?
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"Splashing."
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She doesn't describe splashes
on the wall,
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she uses a verb in the present tense.
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She says, "Splashing."
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There was blood everywhere.
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Splashing.
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Beverly Jean was still alive
when Rose got there.
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Jesus.
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The three of them are in it together.
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That's right.
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♪♪ Gerry Rafferty's "Baker Street" playing...
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This feels very grown up.
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- What does?
- This.
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Going to dinner at your partner's house.
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You putting on a tie
and being all nervous.
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I am not nervous.
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- If you don't want to go, just say so.
- I do want to go.
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Well, you could be
a little less sarcastic.
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What makes you think I'm being sarcastic?
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♪ And it's taken you so long ♪
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♪ To find out you were wrong
When you thought it held everything ♪
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♪ You used to think
That it was so easy... ♪
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That's better.
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Hi. Welcome. Please come in.
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Hi! I'm so happy that you're here.
Come in.
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- I'm Nancy.
- I'm Bill.
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Debbie. I've heard a lot about you.
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I can only imagine
what Holden might have said.
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I have been dying to meet you.
Isn't it crazy that we haven't met yet?
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Yes, I've been dying to meet you, too.
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Look at you. You're babies.
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Would you like a glass of wine?
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I'd love one.
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I have so much to talk to you about.
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Let's get you a drink.
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Well, hello there.
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Say hello, Brian.
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It's okay.
I used to have these when I was a kid.
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♪ Baby, you're all I got ♪
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I used to see how tall I could make
the tower before it fell over.
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♪ In this world ♪
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May I?
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- Oh!
- Uh-oh!
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Brian, its almost time
to brush your teeth.
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Come on, let's have a drink.
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I'm getting too old
for one cheap motel after another.
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One highway grill after another.
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Sports bars. No one can mix a martini.
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Mm! I can mix a martini.
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- Nancy makes the best dry martini.
- Is that right?
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If nothing else, I can do that.
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What about you?
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- I can't mix a martini.
- But he sure can drink 'em.
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No.
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Where are you from?
Bill never tells me much.
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I know that you did Road School
for a while, but...
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Does he tell you anything?
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Oh, yes. Holden loves to talk.
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See? It's possible to talk
about things together.
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Where were you born?
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Mm! Let me guess.
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Certainly not New York.
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You're more of a Midwestern kind of guy.
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See?
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Actually, I was born in Brooklyn.
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I was. I don't know why
you always think that's funny.
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I'm sorry.
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Sure. Go ahead and make fun of me.
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Where was he until then?
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He was in an orphanage for 13 months.
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But we haven't been able to find out
where he was before then.
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How he got there or...
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- Are you going to have kids?
- No.
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At least not yet.
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We tried several times,
but then we decided to adopt.
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I always thought it was such
a beautiful way to help a child.
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I never thought of it like that.
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If I have to be completely honest,
I did it for my own sake.
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Can't it be both?
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Sometimes I wonder
if I'm doing it well enough
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or if it would have been better for him
to have gone to somebody else's home.
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I think he's very lucky to have you.
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I don't know.
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How do you tell?
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Sometimes I get up at night
and watch him sleeping.
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But I can't help but wonder who he was...
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before we got him.
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What did he see or hear?
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Did anyone hold him when he cried?
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He's beautiful.
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I just wish I knew what went on
inside that little head of his.
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It's always the mother.
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They all have a crazy, angry mother.
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Or an absent father.
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Benjamin only changed
after his father took off.
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- Maybe has nothing to do with the mother.
- Aren't all fathers absent in some way?
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I know my old man was never around.
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Imagine how different
Benjamin and Rose's lives might have been
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- if their father never left.
- Not sure it would've changed much.
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- Your father really didn't speak to you?
- No.
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But you speak with Brian.
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You want one more?
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Uh-huh.
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- You walk him through the crime scene?
- Yeah.
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Okay. Has he seen all our notes
on the evidence?
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- Yeah, I showed him everything.
- And?
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He is going to try Benjamin first.
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Wait a minute. Say that again.
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He's only gonna try Benjamin,
not all three.
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- Mark, that's not right.
- Is that Ocasek?
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He's confident
after he convicts Benjamin...
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Obviously, there's something
he doesn't understand.
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Well, I tried to explain
exactly like you said,
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but he wasn't interested in talking.
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- Okay, look, I'll call you back.
- I'm sorry.
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Shit, it's not your fault, Mark.
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Let me talk to some folks here
and get back to you.
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- Okay.
- What's happening?
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The DA is going after Benjamin first,
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which means
he'll end up offering a plea deal
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for Frank's and Rose's testimony.
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Did Ocasek tell him
about Frank's history of violence?
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I'm sure he did.
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Clearly, he's the most dangerous
of the three.
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We need to go talk to the DA,
help him understand.
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I have a deposition this afternoon.
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- I can't do anything till tomorrow.
- I'll go.
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You better go with him.
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It is acutely obvious
that, in this instance,
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the anger was triggered by stressors
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that were focused on his fiancé
in particular.
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"Stressors"?
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Dramatic life events.
Things that pushed both their buttons.
253
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Frank Janderman was happily married
with a new baby on the way.
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But Frank didn't want
to be a father. He hated that.
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- Is that a motive?
- No. It's what we call a stressor.
256
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So you think Frank did it?
257
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Benjamin wouldn't have been able to
on his own.
258
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You're saying Benjamin was provoked
by Frank?
259
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Pushed. Yes.
260
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Frank saw his chance
and raped Beverly Jean.
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- Situationally motivated sexual assaults...
- Wait.
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- "Situationally"?
- As opposed to preferential, yes.
263
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Well, look it. Here's my question.
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Who killed her?
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All three of them are responsible
for her death.
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- So they all mutilated the body?
- No, that was Benjamin.
267
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Frank and Benjamin left her body
at the dump, wrapped up.
268
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But Benjamin came back a few days later.
He couldn't let go.
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Remember, he was under a lot of stress.
He took the knife to her...
270
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Let me stop you there, because...
here's the problem.
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How do I prove all this?
272
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I'm just here to provide you
with intelligent, accurate analysis.
273
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If a jury can't understand your analysis,
then it's no use to anybody, is it?
274
00:16:52,924 --> 00:16:56,225
I agree. But it isn't my job
to make the jury understand anything.
275
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That's your job.
276
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And we have all placed our trust in you.
277
00:17:05,332 --> 00:17:07,444
How do we translate this
so you can use it?
278
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What you're saying is that both Benjamin
and Frank killed her, right?
279
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It's complicated, I know.
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Benjamin knocked her out
because he felt like he was rejected,
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which is a stressor.
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He tied her up
and called his brother-in-law Frank
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because he didn't know what to do.
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So Frank comes over and takes advantage
of the situation and rapes her.
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Benjamin doesn't stop him
because he wants to see her humiliated.
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Now Frank knows that he's in trouble,
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so he starts telling Benjamin
what a slut she is.
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And that is a big problem for Benjamin.
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So they kill her.
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Then they call Rose,
have her come and help clean up.
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And she sees the poor girl in the bathtub
and realizes that she's still alive.
292
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So they stab her again.
293
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And then they move the body to the dump.
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Okay.
295
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Okay.
296
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- That went well.
- You think?
297
00:18:01,430 --> 00:18:05,042
Sure, I mean...
what don't you think he grasped?
298
00:18:05,559 --> 00:18:08,485
Well, I mean, Holden,
you know these people. I don't.
299
00:18:08,562 --> 00:18:11,133
I think that he seemed very intent
on blaming Benjamin,
300
00:18:11,210 --> 00:18:13,592
and I'm not quite sure
I got him over that.
301
00:18:14,526 --> 00:18:17,471
Well, certainly at the end,
he seemed very attentive.
302
00:18:17,905 --> 00:18:20,726
I thought you laid it out clearly
and concisely for him
303
00:18:20,803 --> 00:18:21,957
that it was all three.
304
00:18:22,034 --> 00:18:23,938
Well, if you're right,
then we should be fine.
305
00:18:24,015 --> 00:18:25,771
Yes, we should be.
306
00:18:31,543 --> 00:18:33,656
- How's commuting?
- What do you mean?
307
00:18:33,733 --> 00:18:35,864
Having half of your life in Boston.
308
00:18:36,632 --> 00:18:38,033
What?
309
00:18:39,551 --> 00:18:41,143
Is the back and forth a strain?
310
00:18:41,220 --> 00:18:43,916
I know that it was discombobulating
for me, all the travel,
311
00:18:43,993 --> 00:18:46,416
when we were straddling Road School.
312
00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,380
Is small talk a way
you deal with your anxiety?
313
00:18:53,148 --> 00:18:55,592
- I suppose.
- Hm.
314
00:18:57,945 --> 00:18:59,388
Okay.
315
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♪♪ Fleetwood Mac's "Albatross" playing...
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♪♪
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♪♪
318
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- Hey.
- Hey.
319
00:20:08,182 --> 00:20:09,585
Thought you were back tomorrow.
320
00:20:09,662 --> 00:20:11,692
- Was. Plans changed.
- Oh.
321
00:20:11,769 --> 00:20:13,130
We talked about that.
322
00:20:13,207 --> 00:20:16,216
Sorry, but I'm so glad you're home early.
323
00:20:19,193 --> 00:20:20,635
Hi.
324
00:20:25,324 --> 00:20:27,017
You look tired.
325
00:20:27,531 --> 00:20:31,059
I mean, you look great,
but also a little tired.
326
00:20:31,455 --> 00:20:33,880
Thanks. I, uh... I'm okay.
327
00:20:33,957 --> 00:20:37,694
If you want to go home, freshen up,
I've got some things to finish here.
328
00:20:38,378 --> 00:20:40,280
Oh, yeah. Okay.
329
00:20:41,882 --> 00:20:44,495
You know, I actually wanted
to talk something over with you.
330
00:20:44,572 --> 00:20:46,371
It'd be great if we could do that tonight.
331
00:20:46,448 --> 00:20:47,936
- What is it?
- Oh.
332
00:20:48,013 --> 00:20:50,207
You know, it's fine. It can wait.
333
00:20:50,390 --> 00:20:52,983
No. No, come on.
334
00:20:53,060 --> 00:20:54,931
I don't think he tried to understand.
335
00:20:55,025 --> 00:20:58,184
He just wanted some buzzwords
that he could parrot.
336
00:20:58,482 --> 00:21:01,408
Intellectually, these people
have reached their limits.
337
00:21:01,485 --> 00:21:03,889
They will never understand the discourse
on any deeper level,
338
00:21:03,966 --> 00:21:06,475
nor will they ever become conversant
in your vernacular.
339
00:21:06,552 --> 00:21:08,892
I actually think they're quite intuitive.
340
00:21:09,368 --> 00:21:11,105
I'm not talking about my colleagues.
341
00:21:11,182 --> 00:21:12,687
Your colleagues?
342
00:21:12,788 --> 00:21:15,941
- Are you an FBI agent?
- Don't be absurd.
343
00:21:17,668 --> 00:21:20,320
But that is what I wanted to discuss.
344
00:21:20,418 --> 00:21:25,265
I'm having a really hard time juggling
my research and everything back here.
345
00:21:25,342 --> 00:21:27,035
I warned you this would happen.
346
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,667
Well, I'm torn. And I'm not really
delivering either place.
347
00:21:31,744 --> 00:21:34,742
And I should be spending more time
at Quantico.
348
00:21:34,819 --> 00:21:37,201
I think that's a bad idea.
349
00:21:40,573 --> 00:21:43,617
- But you know best.
- Well, I'm not sure I do or...
350
00:21:43,694 --> 00:21:45,804
It's why I wanted to talk it over.
351
00:21:46,613 --> 00:21:50,934
I don't have to remind you.
Your review is in three months.
352
00:21:51,810 --> 00:21:54,022
If you aren't tenured,
you'll leave the university.
353
00:21:54,099 --> 00:21:55,591
Yeah, you needn't remind me.
354
00:21:55,668 --> 00:21:59,319
It's no secret I find it difficult
watching you waste your time down there.
355
00:21:59,396 --> 00:22:00,860
Waste my time?
356
00:22:02,171 --> 00:22:03,949
Do you think that I'm wasting my time?
357
00:22:04,026 --> 00:22:07,158
- Come on, I don't wanna argue about this.
- Neither do I.
358
00:22:07,634 --> 00:22:10,497
Babe, focus on the thing
that will make your career.
359
00:22:10,574 --> 00:22:13,039
They've offered me a full-time position.
360
00:22:13,974 --> 00:22:15,417
And?
361
00:22:17,603 --> 00:22:19,006
You can't be serious.
362
00:22:19,083 --> 00:22:20,797
Why would you say that?
363
00:22:20,981 --> 00:22:24,344
I'm sure it's flattering,
but honestly, you said it yourself,
364
00:22:24,421 --> 00:22:26,889
these people have reached
their intellectual limits.
365
00:22:26,966 --> 00:22:28,722
No, I didn't say that.
366
00:22:31,491 --> 00:22:33,310
Do they know you're lesbian?
367
00:22:34,036 --> 00:22:37,605
- Of course not.
- Exactly. You can't be yourself.
368
00:22:38,207 --> 00:22:40,841
Are you really going to hide
half of your life?
369
00:22:40,918 --> 00:22:42,926
- I do that here.
- What do you mean by that?
370
00:22:43,003 --> 00:22:45,324
I can't tell any of your friends
I work with the FBI
371
00:22:45,401 --> 00:22:48,617
- because it could reflect badly on you.
- Let's not.
372
00:22:51,470 --> 00:22:55,334
I told Will and Gore
I'd meet them for a glass of wine.
373
00:22:55,411 --> 00:22:56,791
Please.
374
00:22:57,893 --> 00:22:59,294
Come with me.
375
00:23:01,063 --> 00:23:03,342
In society,
everyone behaves in certain ways
376
00:23:03,419 --> 00:23:07,346
in order to avoid embarrassment,
either for ourselves or others.
377
00:23:07,423 --> 00:23:11,663
The very idea of embarrassing oneself,
or others,
378
00:23:11,740 --> 00:23:14,770
by being oneself
speaks to a deeper treachery.
379
00:23:14,847 --> 00:23:16,209
Treachery!
380
00:23:16,286 --> 00:23:17,878
Goffman saw a connection
381
00:23:17,955 --> 00:23:22,653
between the kinds of acts or masks
that people put on in their daily lives
382
00:23:22,730 --> 00:23:25,051
and in theatrical performances.
383
00:23:25,128 --> 00:23:27,950
In a social interaction,
as in a theatrical performance,
384
00:23:28,027 --> 00:23:31,870
there's an onstage area where individuals,
or actors as the case may be,
385
00:23:31,947 --> 00:23:33,872
appear before the audience.
386
00:23:33,949 --> 00:23:36,104
But there must be a backstage,
387
00:23:36,181 --> 00:23:39,691
a hidden, private area,
where individuals can truly be themselves.
388
00:23:39,768 --> 00:23:42,631
Of course, Annaliese, that's lovely,
but you're missing the point.
389
00:23:42,708 --> 00:23:44,591
- Excuse me.
- There's no embarrassment
390
00:23:44,668 --> 00:23:47,198
for anyone in their hidden
and private places.
391
00:23:47,275 --> 00:23:49,596
It's not backstage
where the damage is done.
392
00:23:49,673 --> 00:23:53,181
Must we indulge in your melodrama?
393
00:24:10,924 --> 00:24:12,160
What the fuck happened, Mark?
394
00:24:12,237 --> 00:24:14,371
- You guys might be too late.
- Is he in there?
395
00:24:14,448 --> 00:24:16,413
- Yeah.
- Let's go talk to him.
396
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,146
I know you came a long way...
397
00:24:18,223 --> 00:24:20,273
Who doesn't like
a four-hour drive in winter?
398
00:24:20,350 --> 00:24:22,129
- It's done.
- It ain't over
399
00:24:22,206 --> 00:24:23,670
till the fat lady sings.
400
00:24:28,233 --> 00:24:29,636
You offered him a plea bargain?
401
00:24:29,713 --> 00:24:32,243
He just pled guilty
to third-degree murder.
402
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,684
And he is now facing five to 20 years
in a state psychiatric hospital.
403
00:24:35,761 --> 00:24:39,144
- You've misunderstood.
- Look. You did a great job.
404
00:24:39,286 --> 00:24:40,627
And you almost got it right.
405
00:24:40,704 --> 00:24:42,691
But it was never Frank,
it was all Benjamin.
406
00:24:42,768 --> 00:24:44,399
You know that's not true.
407
00:24:44,916 --> 00:24:47,592
You had an expert in psychopathy
and sexual homicide
408
00:24:47,669 --> 00:24:49,865
from Boston University
make a recommendation
409
00:24:49,942 --> 00:24:52,576
that Frank motivated Benjamin
to commit murder and...
410
00:24:52,653 --> 00:24:54,349
She said he pushed his buttons.
411
00:24:54,426 --> 00:24:56,580
And Benjamin came back
and disfigured the body.
412
00:24:56,657 --> 00:24:57,852
Well, guess what?
413
00:24:57,929 --> 00:24:59,249
Frank confirmed all that.
414
00:24:59,326 --> 00:25:03,400
But Dr. Carr got one thing wrong.
Frank didn't rape her. Benjamin did.
415
00:25:03,477 --> 00:25:05,589
The victim was already dead
when Frank got there.
416
00:25:05,666 --> 00:25:07,924
- Hold on.
- She said Benjamin was jealous,
417
00:25:08,001 --> 00:25:09,756
sexually frustrated, humiliated.
418
00:25:09,814 --> 00:25:10,865
That's a motive.
419
00:25:10,942 --> 00:25:12,888
- You got it all wrong.
- I have the report here.
420
00:25:12,965 --> 00:25:15,640
I've read the report.
It points in the opposite direction.
421
00:25:15,717 --> 00:25:18,415
Benjamin was impotent
because of the stressors.
422
00:25:18,492 --> 00:25:21,938
He was frustrated and humiliated. It was
impossible for him to rape the victim.
423
00:25:22,015 --> 00:25:24,314
I understand the righteousness
of your cause,
424
00:25:24,498 --> 00:25:27,507
but this is an exceptionally difficult
and disturbing case.
425
00:25:27,584 --> 00:25:31,531
There's very little forensic evidence.
Almost all the evidence is circumstantial.
426
00:25:31,608 --> 00:25:34,157
You classify our evidence
as circumstantial?
427
00:25:36,051 --> 00:25:38,953
Frank told us where to find
the victim's breasts.
428
00:25:39,179 --> 00:25:40,916
- Benjamin had kept them.
- So?
429
00:25:40,993 --> 00:25:43,502
So, I got a guy who's jealous,
sexually frustrated,
430
00:25:43,579 --> 00:25:46,985
and we find the victim's breasts
buried in his backyard.
431
00:25:47,062 --> 00:25:49,362
Then I got a guy who's willing to tell us
what happened.
432
00:25:49,420 --> 00:25:51,435
There's a huge difference
between killing a woman
433
00:25:51,493 --> 00:25:53,345
and mutilating her body after she is dead.
434
00:25:53,422 --> 00:25:56,745
A plea bargain is the only antidote
against a failed prosecution.
435
00:25:56,822 --> 00:25:58,496
You're letting Frank off.
436
00:25:58,573 --> 00:26:00,977
He shouldn't just go
to a mental institution for five years.
437
00:26:01,054 --> 00:26:04,022
- He should be put away for life.
- Five to 20 years.
438
00:26:04,099 --> 00:26:07,005
And the defense is arguing
the state had a duty of care
439
00:26:07,082 --> 00:26:08,860
the first time Frank was in the hospital.
440
00:26:08,937 --> 00:26:11,071
The onus is on the state
to make him better.
441
00:26:11,148 --> 00:26:13,238
He's never going to get better.
442
00:26:13,416 --> 00:26:15,109
I have to make a phone call.
443
00:26:35,897 --> 00:26:38,432
He's letting the wrong guy off
with a lighter sentence.
444
00:26:38,509 --> 00:26:41,766
When Wendy explained it to him,
he seemed to understand.
445
00:26:42,868 --> 00:26:45,520
I think he wasn't sure
he could convince a jury.
446
00:26:46,705 --> 00:26:48,898
- This way it's airtight.
- He didn't try.
447
00:26:53,420 --> 00:26:55,178
No hard feelings, okay?
448
00:26:55,255 --> 00:26:57,284
I know the outcome
wasn't what you wanted.
449
00:26:57,361 --> 00:27:00,745
All three behind bars,
and Benjamin'll fry for what he did.
450
00:27:00,822 --> 00:27:05,248
Not all bad.
You know what we're up against.
451
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,628
We have to consider the attention span
of a prospective jury pool.
452
00:27:08,705 --> 00:27:10,283
Need to keep them in mind.
453
00:27:10,364 --> 00:27:13,894
Our objective is the lowest cost
for the highest quality of justice.
454
00:27:13,970 --> 00:27:15,476
You know this is bullshit.
455
00:27:17,068 --> 00:27:18,471
Let me get you a steak sandwich.
456
00:27:18,548 --> 00:27:20,473
Outside of KC,
it's the best I've come across.
457
00:27:20,550 --> 00:27:22,767
- No, thanks.
- I've lost my appetite.
458
00:27:22,844 --> 00:27:24,642
We need to hit the road.
459
00:27:24,993 --> 00:27:28,146
Okay. Thank you for everything.
460
00:27:39,257 --> 00:27:40,952
What difference does any of this make
461
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:43,912
if we can't communicate it
to the people who matter?
462
00:27:45,180 --> 00:27:46,748
I don't know.
463
00:28:04,407 --> 00:28:05,977
It's all about process now.
464
00:28:06,054 --> 00:28:09,878
Refining our methodology, making sure
we're airtight and idiot-proof.
465
00:28:09,955 --> 00:28:11,149
So we need more subjects.
466
00:28:11,226 --> 00:28:13,858
- Ones just like Kemper, please.
- Those were the days.
467
00:28:14,417 --> 00:28:17,280
You know, you're going to see people
present with similar pathologies,
468
00:28:17,357 --> 00:28:18,970
but the way a person kills
469
00:28:19,047 --> 00:28:22,160
is as individual and distinct
as the way they have sex.
470
00:28:22,237 --> 00:28:23,993
And just as complicated.
471
00:28:24,219 --> 00:28:27,049
Jerome Brudos. King of souvenirs.
472
00:28:27,107 --> 00:28:29,666
- Brudos? The shoe guy?
- Who's he?
473
00:28:29,736 --> 00:28:33,026
Six, seven years ago.
Sometimes he wore women's dresses.
474
00:28:33,103 --> 00:28:35,797
He amputated the breasts
of his first and third victims.
475
00:28:35,939 --> 00:28:38,927
- Just like Benjamin.
- It's themed. Wendy loves a pattern.
476
00:28:39,004 --> 00:28:40,909
It's all about finding patterns.
477
00:28:40,986 --> 00:28:43,056
Except he went a little further
than Benjamin.
478
00:28:43,133 --> 00:28:46,295
He plaster cast the breasts
and made them into bronze paperweights.
479
00:28:46,353 --> 00:28:47,373
He's creative.
480
00:28:47,450 --> 00:28:50,647
His second victim, he amputated
a foot which he stored in his freezer.
481
00:28:50,724 --> 00:28:52,691
He had a collection
of hundreds of women's shoes
482
00:28:52,768 --> 00:28:54,568
which he used for masturbation.
483
00:28:54,645 --> 00:28:57,860
- I think we can learn a lot from this guy.
- I'm in.
484
00:28:58,753 --> 00:29:01,114
This time we use the questionnaire.
485
00:29:02,361 --> 00:29:03,618
Did we settle on that?
486
00:29:03,695 --> 00:29:06,913
We have to be able to distinguish
the fractal similarities and differences
487
00:29:06,990 --> 00:29:08,603
so that we can codify it clearly.
488
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,563
Otherwise, we're just wasting our time.
489
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,669
Sure, but sometimes
you got to go with your gut.
490
00:29:12,746 --> 00:29:15,380
And when you first walk in,
you can trust your instinct.
491
00:29:15,457 --> 00:29:17,257
But once you get your subject talking,
492
00:29:17,334 --> 00:29:20,532
we need the protocols
so we can build a consistent data set.
493
00:29:20,609 --> 00:29:23,076
- Makes sense.
- What else do we know about Brudos?
494
00:29:23,153 --> 00:29:26,204
As a teenager, he started grabbing
lingerie from clotheslines.
495
00:29:26,281 --> 00:29:27,495
Soon he was breaking into homes,
496
00:29:27,552 --> 00:29:30,166
stealing women's underwear,
shoes, and dresses.
497
00:29:30,243 --> 00:29:33,169
And then eventually, he escalated
to kidnapping and murder.
498
00:29:33,246 --> 00:29:35,233
But he was married with two children
by then.
499
00:29:35,310 --> 00:29:37,507
This file is as thick as an encyclopedia.
500
00:29:37,584 --> 00:29:40,071
You think we're gonna get something
that isn't in here?
501
00:29:40,148 --> 00:29:41,302
Absolutely.
502
00:29:41,379 --> 00:29:43,930
In all that paperwork,
there's not a single word
503
00:29:43,988 --> 00:29:46,120
that illuminates
what he was thinking or feeling,
504
00:29:46,178 --> 00:29:48,017
before, during, or after the crimes.
505
00:29:48,094 --> 00:29:50,665
There's nothing
on his operation principles, his logic.
506
00:29:50,742 --> 00:29:52,876
- Logic?
- His internal logic, yes.
507
00:29:52,953 --> 00:29:55,710
Which, hopefully, one day
we'll be able to decipher.
508
00:29:56,978 --> 00:29:59,716
So, we all agreed. Brudos is next.
509
00:29:59,793 --> 00:30:01,049
Yes.
510
00:30:01,483 --> 00:30:03,593
Do you mind if I take that room?
511
00:30:04,069 --> 00:30:06,679
- For what?
- For my office.
512
00:30:06,780 --> 00:30:08,514
Oh, sure, fine. Go ahead.
513
00:30:09,532 --> 00:30:11,708
- Do you need help?
- No.
514
00:30:11,785 --> 00:30:14,937
I actually enjoy this part,
organizing my space.
515
00:30:16,456 --> 00:30:17,922
She's staying.
516
00:30:17,999 --> 00:30:19,734
Carver was right.
517
00:30:20,210 --> 00:30:22,737
You really are Sherlock Holmes.
518
00:30:37,227 --> 00:30:40,737
It's one generous bedroom
and a newly refurbished kitchenette.
519
00:30:40,814 --> 00:30:42,175
The building's very quiet.
520
00:30:42,252 --> 00:30:44,803
Mostly professionals
and mostly travelers.
521
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,846
Flight attendants, a few pilots.
We get the odd lecturer.
522
00:30:49,239 --> 00:30:50,473
Are you married?
523
00:30:50,711 --> 00:30:51,748
No.
524
00:30:51,825 --> 00:30:53,687
Were you thinking month-to-month?
525
00:30:53,764 --> 00:30:55,228
To begin with.
526
00:30:55,745 --> 00:30:57,045
- Are they all furnished?
- Yes.
527
00:30:57,122 --> 00:30:59,401
And that's definitely part
of the complex's allure.
528
00:30:59,478 --> 00:31:01,984
Just pick up your keys and off you go.
529
00:31:03,461 --> 00:31:07,698
We do have some singles activities,
if you're up for that sort of thing.
530
00:31:07,841 --> 00:31:10,245
And there's access
to quite a good tennis pro.
531
00:31:10,322 --> 00:31:12,411
I'm going to be working long hours.
532
00:31:13,263 --> 00:31:17,041
What made you choose this part
of Virginia, if you don't mind my asking?
533
00:31:17,142 --> 00:31:19,836
- Quantico.
- Oh!
534
00:31:20,478 --> 00:31:22,338
Are you with the Bureau?
535
00:31:23,690 --> 00:31:26,052
I guess... uh, mainly research.
536
00:31:26,129 --> 00:31:27,784
Oh. Very exciting.
537
00:31:27,861 --> 00:31:29,784
♪♪ The Boomtown Rats'
"I Don't Like Mondays" playing...
538
00:31:29,841 --> 00:31:35,893
♪ The silicon chip inside her head
Gets switched to overload ♪
539
00:31:36,453 --> 00:31:42,817
♪ And nobody's gonna go to school today
She's going to make them stay at home ♪
540
00:31:43,168 --> 00:31:46,052
♪ And Daddy doesn't understand it ♪
541
00:31:46,129 --> 00:31:49,472
♪ He always said she was as good as gold ♪
542
00:31:49,549 --> 00:31:53,246
♪ And he can see no reasons
'Cause there are no reasons ♪
543
00:31:53,323 --> 00:31:58,501
♪ What reason do you need to be sure?
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa ♪
544
00:31:58,578 --> 00:32:01,943
♪ Tell me why
I don't like Mondays ♪
545
00:32:02,020 --> 00:32:05,363
♪ Tell me why
I don't like Mondays ♪
546
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,678
♪ Tell me why
I don't like Mondays ♪
547
00:32:08,755 --> 00:32:14,539
♪ I want to shoot ♪
548
00:32:14,616 --> 00:32:20,313
♪ The whole day down, down, down
Shoot it all down ♪
549
00:32:35,094 --> 00:32:38,792
♪ And all the playing's stopped
In the playground now ♪
550
00:32:38,869 --> 00:32:41,899
♪ She wants to play
With her toys awhile ♪
551
00:32:41,976 --> 00:32:45,131
♪ And school's out early
And soon we'll be learning ♪
552
00:32:45,208 --> 00:32:48,614
♪ And the lesson today is how to die ♪
553
00:32:48,691 --> 00:32:52,910
♪ And then the bullhorn crackles
And the captain tackles ♪
554
00:32:52,987 --> 00:32:55,890
♪ With the problems
And the hows and whys ♪
555
00:32:56,366 --> 00:33:00,355
♪ And he can see no reasons
'Cause there are no reasons ♪
556
00:33:00,432 --> 00:33:06,048
♪ What reason do you need to die, die?
Oh-ho-ho ♪
557
00:33:06,125 --> 00:33:09,427
♪ Tell me why
I don't like Mondays ♪
558
00:33:09,504 --> 00:33:12,597
♪ Tell me why
I don't like Mondays ♪
559
00:33:12,674 --> 00:33:16,037
♪ Tell me why
I don't like, I don't like ♪
560
00:33:16,114 --> 00:33:19,270
♪ Tell me why
I don't like Mondays ♪
561
00:33:19,347 --> 00:33:22,544
♪ Tell me why
I don't like Mondays ♪
562
00:33:22,621 --> 00:33:28,863
♪ I want to shoot ♪
563
00:33:28,940 --> 00:33:33,219
♪ The whole day down ♪
564
00:33:33,945 --> 00:33:37,767
♪ Ooh-ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh-ooh ♪
565
00:33:37,844 --> 00:33:41,811
♪ Ooh-ooh-ooh, ooh ♪