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‪（堪薩斯州帕克市）

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‪NETFLIX 原創影集

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‪他從來沒說過

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‪每個小孩都有秘密，但這…

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‪比爾，他本來想說的

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‪他一直說：“對不起…媽媽”

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‪-我不記得了
‪-他尿床那天

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‪他好幾年沒尿床了

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‪天啊

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‪我以為他是覺得丟臉，但是…

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‪比爾，他是不是想告訴我們？

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‪我不知道，南茜

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‪他覺得那個小男生怎麼了？

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‪他們一定知道他沒呼吸了

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‪他沒有參與那個…他…

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‪-他只有旁觀
‪-他懂得把他放上十字架

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‪他以為這樣能讓他復活

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‪我本來就不喜歡馬丁那孩子

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‪我早說過別讓他們一起玩

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‪他太野了

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‪要是他對布萊恩那樣呢？

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‪我們都很高興兒子終於有朋友了

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‪法院會把他帶走嗎？

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‪我會盡全力阻止的

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‪我們家很正常

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‪喂

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‪你可以跟他說我在處理家務事嗎？

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‪好

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‪好，我馬上過去

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‪現在？

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‪剛恩要見我

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‪我會跟他請一週假

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‪-只有一週？
‪-南茜

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‪我是說我們必須妥善處理…

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‪想想以後怎麼走

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‪怎麼回事？

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‪對不起，長官

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‪我知道我應該在亞特蘭大

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‪-我接到電話…
‪-我連電話都沒有

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‪對不起

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‪-我應該打給你的
‪-這是最基本的

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‪市府向聯邦政府求援好幾個禮拜

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‪我們卻不到一天就被趕走

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‪對，你是該打電話給我

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‪結果今天早上亞特蘭大分處才打來

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‪顯然霍頓的介紹

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‪讓警政廳長很感冒

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‪-長官跟霍頓談過了嗎？
‪-沒有

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‪我要你主導整個部門

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‪霍頓到底說什麼讓市府這麼火大？

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‪廳長的藉口是這並非綁架案

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‪聽起來很冠冕堂皇

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‪-霍頓到底說了？
‪-長官，其實他說的無可厚非

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‪他讓廳長知道我們要尋找案件關聯

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‪他解釋過可能有一個黑人殺人狂

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‪長官，重點可能不在內容
‪而在表達方式

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‪怎麼說？

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‪他可能說得太明確
‪但是我們目前還無法佐證

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‪亞特蘭大承辦調查員的印象

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‪是霍頓想主導偵辦方向

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‪但“市府目前並不想朝那個方向調查

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‪至少表面上如此”

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‪聽起來像政治顧慮

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‪哪個大城市沒有政治顧慮？

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‪我們不能太天真

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‪如果你覺得霍頓可能碰觸政治禁忌

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‪你的工作就是擋住他…

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‪至少讓我知道可能會有什麼後果

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‪長官說得是

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‪我該察言觀色的

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‪我們必須讓對方知道
‪為什麼需要我們

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‪而不是讓對方提防我們

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‪我知道，長官

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‪比爾，下不為例

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‪-你不能先打給我嗎？
‪-比爾

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‪我根本來不及反應

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‪但有人逮到機會打給剛恩

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‪巴尼說我們無計可施

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‪全都是政治考量

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‪-我可以跟泰德解釋
‪-你誰都不准解釋

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‪要不是你大談未經證實的結論

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‪這件事也不會這麼政治化

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‪你也同意嫌犯可能是黑人

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‪你難道沒想過自己
‪連犯罪現場都沒去過

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‪就貿然提出心理剖繪結果
‪會給人什麼觀感嗎？

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‪下次先做好調查工作，不然就閉嘴

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‪對不起，嚇著妳了

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‪你的臉色很不好

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‪謝謝

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‪我猜到亞特蘭大出勤的工作沒了？

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‪雖然我可以怪到霍頓身上

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‪但我本來就該盯著他

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‪別讓他節外生枝

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‪我讓他自由發揮，得到別人的注意

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‪-踩到地雷只是遲早的事
‪-你這樣太累了

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‪對啊

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‪我會慢慢掌握訣竅，但我今天有事

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‪-家務事
‪-你家裡還好吧？

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‪還好，反正就…

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‪我明天回來

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‪好

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‪葛雷格和我訪問杭利了

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‪-葛雷格？
‪-對

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‪我們以為你們要去好幾週
‪不希望延誤訪談工作

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‪他怎麼樣？

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‪有點…遲疑

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‪他嚇到了對不對？

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‪我也有責任

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‪明天逐字稿應該就完成了

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‪我非看不可

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‪快遲到了

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‪沒問題的

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‪再兩分鐘就開演了

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‪頂多錯過預告片嘛

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‪等我們買好飲料找好位子
‪一定會錯過前面劇情

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‪聽起來很嚴重

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‪過頭了啦

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‪沒關係啦

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‪我停這個位置就好

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‪我這種人

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‪就是要從頭看到尾

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‪我要買爆米花
‪坐好位置、看完預告片

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‪很多人都是這樣

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‪妳說了算

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‪但是我至少還要一分鐘
‪才能停進這個車位

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‪因為我停車速度超慢

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‪我們絕對

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‪會錯過前面幾分鐘

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‪我家有一瓶沒開過、非常普通

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‪可能已經走味的夏布利白酒

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‪真的？

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‪上面是螺旋塞

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‪這叫我怎麼抗拒？

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‪怎樣？

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‪沒事

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‪那瓶酒還有嗎？

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‪我以為爽成這樣妳就會忘了

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‪沒想到妳會住在這種地方

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‪太小？

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‪很樸素

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‪妳的生活那麼多采多姿

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‪一個人精神豪邁

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‪不代表住的環境也這麼大氣

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‪誰說的？

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‪我剛剛說的，認不得我的聲音嗎？

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‪他好可愛

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‪對啊

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‪他挺乖的

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‪妳多久見他一次？

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‪這個禮拜就要探視了
‪我要帶他看杜克隊比賽

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‪杜克隊？

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‪2A級棒球隊

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‪妳想他嗎？

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‪當然

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‪我害怕的是要為另一個生命負責

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‪我連自己的生活都搞不定

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‪我到現在還用塑膠箱當櫃子

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‪我有真正的櫃子，但我不覺得
‪有櫃子代表比較高尚

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‪妳的行為很有勇氣

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‪真羨慕妳過著忠於自己的生活

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‪我很高興能到妳家

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‪跟妳在一起

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‪我也是

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‪我喜歡棒球

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‪妳喜歡棒球？

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‪我是說我去看比賽時一定能享受

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‪溫蒂，我不會把兒子介紹給交往對象

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‪那當然

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‪我不是…

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‪不，沒關係

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‪對不起，我不該提的

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‪-我不是針對妳
‪-沒事

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‪我沒有針對誰，只是…

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‪妳不該把兒子介紹給不熟的人

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‪我訪問的凶手經常都有
‪私生活複雜的媽媽…

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‪我不是說妳…

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‪可不可以倒回幾分鐘前

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‪我剛剛體驗前所未有的高潮

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‪但還沒以為妳邀我看少棒時？

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‪是小聯盟啦

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‪他…一定會很喜歡妳

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‪他歷經家變，我還不想嚇到他

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‪至少要等到我們穩定過後

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‪剛才真的是妳前所未有的高潮？

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‪蕾絲邊老師的故事救援成功

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‪就像及時雨

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‪我得掰個故事讓他覺得被人接納

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‪妳成功了

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‪但是後來他堅決否認自己是同性戀

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‪反駁力道甚至超過別人說他是虐待狂

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‪此地無銀三百兩

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‪他反駁過很多事

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‪強暴、虐待、殺人

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‪他堅持自己沒有涉入這些層面的犯罪

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‪把自己塑造成沒有參與犯罪

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‪他的自我區隔能力很厲害

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‪我們必須把杭利當成一個孩子

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‪他可能認為自己不得不參與

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‪他知道自己帶去的受害者
‪會有什麼下場

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‪而且他也明確決定不加以干涉

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‪所以不管他有沒有加入都有罪

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‪誘拐受害者雖然本身也很糟糕

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‪但還是跟殺人有所區別

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‪有區別，但還是有罪

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‪我不是幫他找藉口

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‪我只是在問

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‪青少年必須為成人的行為負責嗎？

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‪他想取悅迪恩科爾

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‪他可能也很怕他

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‪與其說他怕迪恩科爾
‪不如說他被後者控制

211
00:14:50,598 --> 00:14:52,141
‪所以他待著不走嗎？

212
00:14:52,224 --> 00:14:53,642
‪看科爾殺人會讓他興奮？

213
00:14:53,726 --> 00:14:55,311
‪我們怎麼知道杭利會興奮？

214
00:14:55,853 --> 00:14:58,314
‪“我不管做什麼都樂在其中”

215
00:14:58,981 --> 00:15:01,525
‪比爾，他協助殺害20名男童

216
00:15:01,609 --> 00:15:03,444
‪這種行為有什麼好辯解的？

217
00:15:03,527 --> 00:15:05,529
‪我只是說他才14歲

218
00:15:05,988 --> 00:15:08,407
‪他真的跟艾德肯培
‪和布魯多斯一樣嗎？

219
00:15:09,241 --> 00:15:12,536
‪如果沒有科爾的影響
‪他會變成殺人犯嗎？

220
00:15:12,620 --> 00:15:13,621
‪這種事無從得知

221
00:15:13,704 --> 00:15:16,123
‪最驚人的是就算他看到對方心狠手辣

222
00:15:16,206 --> 00:15:18,709
‪還是承認跟他有深厚情誼

223
00:15:18,959 --> 00:15:20,210
‪那個人甚至威脅要殺他

224
00:15:20,294 --> 00:15:23,631
‪也許他對於被人接納的需求
‪已經超越道德界線

225
00:15:23,714 --> 00:15:25,341
‪迪恩科爾剛好利用這一點

226
00:15:28,135 --> 00:15:31,180
‪我一直想跟大家討論策略問題

227
00:15:33,474 --> 00:15:35,768
‪我們本來會一無所獲，還好我…

228
00:15:35,851 --> 00:15:38,312
‪-信手拈來？
‪-也許瞎掰一通？

229
00:15:38,812 --> 00:15:39,772
‪說得好

230
00:15:40,314 --> 00:15:41,982
‪如果我們要傳授訪談技巧

231
00:15:42,066 --> 00:15:43,943
‪就不能死守教條

232
00:15:44,485 --> 00:15:47,529
‪現在唯一有用的策略
‪就是討論跟他們有關的事

233
00:15:51,784 --> 00:15:52,701
‪長官

234
00:15:56,705 --> 00:15:57,623
‪杭利的案子？

235
00:15:59,083 --> 00:16:01,794
‪卡爾博士，妳的功夫了得
‪我差點以為在看霍頓的訪談

236
00:16:03,087 --> 00:16:04,964
‪葛雷格，可以請你迴避一下嗎？

237
00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,434
‪助理局長魏曼幾週後要過來

238
00:16:17,935 --> 00:16:21,355
‪我在家裡辦了小聚會，請大家賞光

239
00:16:21,438 --> 00:16:23,565
‪沒問題，我的榮幸，泰德

240
00:16:23,649 --> 00:16:26,151
‪魏曼可以在華府幫我們美言幾句

241
00:16:26,235 --> 00:16:28,237
‪我要你們向他現身說法

242
00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:29,488
‪畢竟這是你們的心血

243
00:16:29,571 --> 00:16:30,656
‪遵命

244
00:16:30,739 --> 00:16:32,199
‪所以這算應酬？

245
00:16:32,700 --> 00:16:35,327
‪對，但我要你們輕鬆一下
‪比爾，把南茜帶來

246
00:16:36,370 --> 00:16:38,956
‪霍頓、卡爾博士，歡迎攜伴

247
00:16:40,874 --> 00:16:42,668
‪謝謝長官，我們會好好規劃

248
00:16:43,419 --> 00:16:45,254
‪還有一件事

249
00:16:47,131 --> 00:16:48,048
‪我幫你敲定曼森了

250
00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:51,510
‪-什麼時候？
‪-三週後

251
00:16:57,850 --> 00:16:58,684
‪老天爺

252
00:16:58,767 --> 00:17:00,936
‪我們要仔細思考行動方案

253
00:17:01,020 --> 00:17:02,146
‪他是說曼森嗎？

254
00:17:02,229 --> 00:17:04,064
‪-就跟一般訪談相同就好
‪-不行

255
00:17:04,148 --> 00:17:07,860
‪這是我們首次訪問
‪沒有親手殺人的研究對象

256
00:17:07,943 --> 00:17:09,111
‪最重要的一點

257
00:17:09,194 --> 00:17:11,655
‪就是從團體的角度看待他

258
00:17:12,197 --> 00:17:14,283
‪曼森無疑是曼森家族的領袖

259
00:17:14,366 --> 00:17:15,743
‪就這樣切入吧

260
00:17:17,494 --> 00:17:20,622
‪驗屍報告的結果和其他兒童證詞一致

261
00:17:20,706 --> 00:17:24,001
‪布萊恩並沒有直接參與

262
00:17:24,084 --> 00:17:26,670
‪導致被害人死亡的行動

263
00:17:27,046 --> 00:17:30,174
‪但是他不但在場，而且他也承認

264
00:17:30,257 --> 00:17:32,760
‪自己建議把被害人放在十字架上

265
00:17:32,843 --> 00:17:35,596
‪他以為這樣能讓丹尼爾復活…

266
00:17:35,679 --> 00:17:38,682
‪坦區太太，一對夫妻痛失愛子

267
00:17:39,349 --> 00:17:42,227
‪布萊恩的行為看似沒有惡意
‪因為他年紀還小

268
00:17:42,311 --> 00:17:45,105
‪所以我不起訴他

269
00:17:45,564 --> 00:17:47,441
‪但是州政府並沒忘記

270
00:17:47,524 --> 00:17:49,985
‪他有很多求助機會

271
00:17:50,069 --> 00:17:52,905
‪或在事後告知父母，也就是兩位

272
00:17:53,238 --> 00:17:54,364
‪但他什麼也不說

273
00:17:54,448 --> 00:17:56,825
‪要不是他蓄意隱瞞

274
00:17:56,909 --> 00:17:58,869
‪就是缺乏是非觀念

275
00:17:59,453 --> 00:18:02,831
‪州政府必須瞭解他的動機

276
00:18:02,915 --> 00:18:05,876
‪才能確保他不會危害自己或整個社會

277
00:18:05,959 --> 00:18:07,002
‪危害？

278
00:18:07,086 --> 00:18:08,045
‪我要把他轉給

279
00:18:08,128 --> 00:18:10,714
‪衛生公共服務部進行心理評估

280
00:18:10,798 --> 00:18:12,633
‪他可以住在家裡嗎？

281
00:18:12,883 --> 00:18:13,717
‪可以

282
00:18:13,801 --> 00:18:17,012
‪我們已經指派社福調查員
‪和心理衛生專家

283
00:18:17,679 --> 00:18:21,892
‪法庭會根據他們的評估報告做出決定

284
00:18:21,975 --> 00:18:25,187
‪兩位必須遵守整個過程的規定

285
00:18:25,270 --> 00:18:28,357
‪這對布萊恩的未來有極大影響

286
00:18:29,858 --> 00:18:32,361
‪社工人員收入過低，但教育程度很高

287
00:18:32,444 --> 00:18:35,364
‪別以為跟對方解釋就能輕騎過關

288
00:18:35,948 --> 00:18:37,491
‪這樣只會惹毛他們

289
00:18:38,283 --> 00:18:40,869
‪不管他們出多少難題
‪乖乖照做就是了

290
00:18:40,953 --> 00:18:44,039
‪我以為他們發現
‪布萊恩說實話就沒事了

291
00:18:44,581 --> 00:18:46,291
‪至少他能住在家裡，南茜

292
00:18:46,792 --> 00:18:49,169
‪陌生人會一直煩他

293
00:18:49,253 --> 00:18:50,462
‪社工人員？

294
00:18:50,879 --> 00:18:51,797
‪我們別無選擇

295
00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:53,507
‪他什麼也沒做

296
00:18:56,552 --> 00:18:58,512
‪謝謝，亞特，真的很感謝你…

297
00:18:58,595 --> 00:18:59,972
‪比爾，我也有小孩

298
00:19:00,889 --> 00:19:01,807
‪保重

299
00:19:08,272 --> 00:19:09,982
‪你在裡面為什麼不說句話？

300
00:19:11,233 --> 00:19:12,609
‪你不幫自己孩子辯護嗎？

301
00:19:12,693 --> 00:19:14,027
‪老婆，這不是開庭

302
00:19:14,111 --> 00:19:17,030
‪亞特說得沒錯，我們必須遵守程序

303
00:19:19,032 --> 00:19:21,994
‪這也沒什麼不好
‪布萊恩有機會接受輔導

304
00:19:22,578 --> 00:19:23,620
‪他沒有問題

305
00:19:24,580 --> 00:19:25,706
‪他不是壞人

306
00:19:26,957 --> 00:19:28,167
‪我知道，南茜

307
00:19:29,168 --> 00:19:30,919
‪他可以跟我們回家

308
00:19:31,837 --> 00:19:33,338
‪我們運氣很好了

309
00:20:05,829 --> 00:20:06,830
‪有沒有搞錯？

310
00:20:06,914 --> 00:20:07,789
‪他歌喉不錯

311
00:20:08,081 --> 00:20:09,208
‪只是不好宣傳？

312
00:20:10,417 --> 00:20:11,835
‪你腦袋燒壞了

313
00:20:13,587 --> 00:20:15,422
‪我有錯過重點嗎？

314
00:20:15,505 --> 00:20:17,966
‪沒有，我們剛好要討論目標

315
00:20:18,050 --> 00:20:19,468
‪溫蒂說的沒錯

316
00:20:19,801 --> 00:20:21,803
‪我們不問曼森殺人的事

317
00:20:21,887 --> 00:20:23,764
‪我們要知道的是一個身材矮小

318
00:20:23,847 --> 00:20:25,766
‪教育程度低的前科犯

319
00:20:25,849 --> 00:20:27,601
‪如何說服一群中產階級年輕人

320
00:20:27,684 --> 00:20:30,103
‪屠殺七名陌生人

321
00:20:31,563 --> 00:20:32,564
‪殺人犯包括

322
00:20:33,357 --> 00:20:35,025
‪蘇珊艾金斯，19歲

323
00:20:35,108 --> 00:20:36,443
‪曼森叫她“賽蒂”

324
00:20:37,152 --> 00:20:38,528
‪教堂唱詩班成員

325
00:20:38,612 --> 00:20:40,489
‪琳達卡薩賓，20歲

326
00:20:40,572 --> 00:20:41,448
‪好學生

327
00:20:41,531 --> 00:20:44,493
‪朋友說她“天真又浪漫”

328
00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:46,995
‪派翠霞克溫柯，22歲

329
00:20:47,079 --> 00:20:49,498
‪研究天主教義，想當修女

330
00:20:50,249 --> 00:20:52,459
‪瑪麗布倫納，26歲

331
00:20:53,335 --> 00:20:54,169
‪圖書館員

332
00:20:55,045 --> 00:20:57,506
‪泰克斯華生，24歲

333
00:20:58,423 --> 00:21:01,426
‪榮譽學生、學報編輯、優秀運動員

334
00:21:01,510 --> 00:21:03,011
‪簡直就像高中畢業紀念冊

335
00:21:03,095 --> 00:21:05,514
‪全都出身於一般家庭，有高中學歷

336
00:21:05,597 --> 00:21:06,431
‪有的還大學畢業

337
00:21:06,974 --> 00:21:10,352
‪後來全都逃家
‪不知怎麼的加入曼森家族

338
00:21:10,852 --> 00:21:13,522
‪第一個曼森家族成員的布倫納除外

339
00:21:13,605 --> 00:21:16,775
‪他們不到兩年就變成殺人犯

340
00:21:16,858 --> 00:21:19,111
‪布倫納並未涉及泰特和雷比安卡命案

341
00:21:19,695 --> 00:21:23,448
‪對，她和巴比貝索立一起被捕

342
00:21:23,532 --> 00:21:26,201
‪就在莎朗泰特和雷比安卡命案兩天前

343
00:21:26,910 --> 00:21:29,413
‪這兩人因為毒品交易問題
‪殺害音樂製作人

344
00:21:29,496 --> 00:21:31,456
‪但是命案現場非常有趣

345
00:21:32,499 --> 00:21:35,544
‪瑪麗布倫納和巴比貝索立
‪想嫁禍給黑豹黨

346
00:21:35,627 --> 00:21:39,965
‪所以用受害人的血
‪在牆上寫下“警察是政治打手”

347
00:21:42,926 --> 00:21:44,344
‪這是雷比安卡命案現場

348
00:21:45,262 --> 00:21:46,263
‪“警察去死”

349
00:21:47,806 --> 00:21:49,891
‪大屠殺命案現場…

350
00:21:50,517 --> 00:21:52,894
‪用莎朗泰特的血寫出“死警察”

351
00:21:53,729 --> 00:21:54,938
‪迴旋溜滑梯

352
00:21:55,022 --> 00:21:56,565
‪這是曼森的主題

353
00:21:57,107 --> 00:21:58,317
‪檢察官的論點

354
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,445
‪是他想激起種族大戰

355
00:22:01,528 --> 00:22:03,238
‪並利用曼森家族實現目的

356
00:22:03,322 --> 00:22:04,698
‪聽過克希納文塔嗎？

357
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,743
‪-沒有
‪-自稱救世主的前科犯

358
00:22:07,826 --> 00:22:09,619
‪自立教會

359
00:22:09,703 --> 00:22:11,872
‪宣傳整個社會腐敗，即將毀滅

360
00:22:13,290 --> 00:22:14,708
‪他說種族大戰即將開打

361
00:22:15,876 --> 00:22:17,753
‪他知道沙漠裡有個秘密地點

362
00:22:17,836 --> 00:22:19,838
‪可以讓他和信眾躲過一劫

363
00:22:19,921 --> 00:22:21,673
‪等到大戰結束後

364
00:22:22,507 --> 00:22:24,843
‪他們就能重建新文明

365
00:22:24,926 --> 00:22:26,428
‪跟曼森的玩法一模一樣

366
00:22:26,511 --> 00:22:27,471
‪這是克希納的玩法

367
00:22:28,972 --> 00:22:30,974
‪曼森在1968年待過他的教會

368
00:22:31,767 --> 00:22:34,186
‪他說：“就像萬物之靈帶我去那邊”

369
00:22:34,853 --> 00:22:37,189
‪後來他採用完全相同的教條

370
00:22:37,272 --> 00:22:38,648
‪稱為“迴旋溜滑梯”

371
00:22:38,732 --> 00:22:40,984
‪迴旋溜滑梯不是曼森發明的？

372
00:22:41,068 --> 00:22:42,277
‪連名字都是借用的

373
00:22:42,361 --> 00:22:43,612
‪他真是大騙子

374
00:22:43,695 --> 00:22:45,447
‪問題還沒解決

375
00:22:45,530 --> 00:22:47,074
‪這種人…

376
00:22:48,158 --> 00:22:49,451
‪怎麼讓這些孩子…

377
00:22:51,620 --> 00:22:52,537
‪做出那種事？

378
00:23:04,257 --> 00:23:07,761
‪他的行為和自我安撫方式
‪有任何改變嗎？

379
00:23:08,136 --> 00:23:08,970
‪完全沒有

380
00:23:27,030 --> 00:23:28,532
‪坦區太太有唸書給他聽嗎？

381
00:23:30,075 --> 00:23:31,868
‪他喜歡《大紅狗》

382
00:23:35,622 --> 00:23:36,998
‪運動呢，坦區先生？

383
00:23:37,624 --> 00:23:38,708
‪他都騎腳踏車

384
00:23:39,334 --> 00:23:40,710
‪快可以拿掉輔助輪了

385
00:23:41,044 --> 00:23:42,129
‪可是沒有團體運動

386
00:23:42,587 --> 00:23:43,422
‪沒有

387
00:23:57,644 --> 00:23:59,396
‪他不高興時會怎麼樣？

388
00:23:59,938 --> 00:24:01,481
‪他不愛講話

389
00:24:01,565 --> 00:24:04,151
‪不過有事的話都會找我們

390
00:24:12,701 --> 00:24:14,369
‪他上公立學校？

391
00:24:14,453 --> 00:24:15,287
‪對

392
00:24:15,996 --> 00:24:18,999
‪沒有特殊教育部門嗎？

393
00:24:19,082 --> 00:24:19,916
‪沒有

394
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,085
‪我們不覺得他需要那種…

395
00:24:22,169 --> 00:24:23,420
‪布萊恩只是內向

396
00:24:25,005 --> 00:24:25,839
‪我知道了

397
00:24:29,634 --> 00:24:30,969
‪他不乖時你們怎麼處理？

398
00:24:31,636 --> 00:24:33,013
‪跟大家一樣

399
00:24:33,096 --> 00:24:34,973
‪叫他進房間，沒什麼兩樣

400
00:24:40,145 --> 00:24:41,021
‪體罰呢？

401
00:24:41,521 --> 00:24:42,564
‪-絕對沒有
‪-沒有

402
00:24:57,954 --> 00:24:59,289
‪家裡有武器嗎？

403
00:24:59,372 --> 00:25:00,832
‪我在辦公室裡有一把槍

404
00:25:00,916 --> 00:25:01,917
‪有鎖上嗎？

405
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:02,876
‪隨時鎖著

406
00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:07,589
‪布萊恩

407
00:25:11,259 --> 00:25:12,677
‪布萊恩，過來

408
00:25:18,934 --> 00:25:20,769
‪這位是李藍小姐

409
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:22,521
‪李藍女士

410
00:25:24,523 --> 00:25:25,524
‪布萊恩

411
00:25:29,319 --> 00:25:32,572
‪布萊恩，你進去念《大紅狗》吧？

412
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:34,241
‪我馬上進去

413
00:25:35,867 --> 00:25:36,701
‪去啊

414
00:25:46,545 --> 00:25:47,462
‪他會躲你嗎？

415
00:25:48,463 --> 00:25:49,881
‪他這幾個禮拜過得很不好

416
00:25:49,965 --> 00:25:52,217
‪李藍女士，我們很疼布萊恩

417
00:25:53,009 --> 00:25:55,470
‪雖然是領養的
‪但他是我們的心肝寶貝

418
00:25:55,554 --> 00:25:57,305
‪我非常瞭解，坦區太太

419
00:25:59,891 --> 00:26:02,477
‪下次請準備出生證明

420
00:26:02,561 --> 00:26:05,897
‪醫療紀錄和所有成績單

421
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:09,859
‪這些資料能解釋整個程序

422
00:26:11,987 --> 00:26:13,822
‪基本的兒童安全規範

423
00:26:14,322 --> 00:26:16,908
‪我會定時突擊檢查

424
00:26:16,992 --> 00:26:20,787
‪我們必須知道他在
‪這個環境裡的行為表現

425
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:22,289
‪才能評估他的進展

426
00:26:22,372 --> 00:26:24,833
‪然後才能決定是否需要調整

427
00:26:24,916 --> 00:26:26,626
‪什麼樣的調整？

428
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:28,211
‪要過一段時間才知道

429
00:26:28,628 --> 00:26:31,047
‪你們每週五要去見莫瑞茲醫師

430
00:26:31,131 --> 00:26:32,591
‪兩人都必須到

431
00:26:34,509 --> 00:26:35,343
‪一定

432
00:26:35,427 --> 00:26:37,929
‪我們會把報告交給檢察官

433
00:26:38,013 --> 00:26:39,514
‪並附上我們的建議

434
00:26:39,598 --> 00:26:42,934
‪以後的事由他定奪

435
00:26:50,650 --> 00:26:51,484
‪再見

436
00:26:51,985 --> 00:26:53,445
‪不想見都不行

437
00:26:57,699 --> 00:26:58,783
‪和我們一模一樣

438
00:27:00,243 --> 00:27:01,161
‪什麼意思？

439
00:27:02,787 --> 00:27:03,997
‪巡視命案現場

440
00:27:08,126 --> 00:27:09,711
‪在她身邊要有戒心

441
00:27:10,962 --> 00:27:12,130
‪她可不是朋友

442
00:27:19,471 --> 00:27:21,389
‪（加州瓦卡維爾市）

443
00:27:34,861 --> 00:27:35,695
‪等一下

444
00:27:36,696 --> 00:27:37,739
‪聯邦調查局

445
00:27:45,163 --> 00:27:46,748
‪你去要簽名的嗎？

446
00:27:46,831 --> 00:27:47,874
‪研究用

447
00:27:48,541 --> 00:27:51,002
‪可別還沒進去就射了

448
00:28:10,438 --> 00:28:11,690
‪你們要等一下

449
00:28:11,940 --> 00:28:13,441
‪他拒絕出牢房

450
00:28:14,317 --> 00:28:15,443
‪嚇死我了

451
00:28:16,528 --> 00:28:18,405
‪-艾德肯培有空嗎？
‪-我去查

452
00:28:18,822 --> 00:28:20,365
‪不行，不要找艾德肯培

453
00:28:20,448 --> 00:28:21,908
‪我們是來見曼森的

454
00:28:21,991 --> 00:28:23,493
‪-我們等他出來
‪-比爾，我沒事

455
00:28:25,829 --> 00:28:28,998
‪你要為捆虐殺狂人案
‪問他回到犯罪現場的事

456
00:28:29,082 --> 00:28:30,542
‪我們知道他會，他說過了

457
00:28:30,625 --> 00:28:31,876
‪我們要知道原因

458
00:28:33,044 --> 00:28:34,170
‪我不會有事的

459
00:28:40,635 --> 00:28:44,472
‪而且如果曼森知道
‪我們跟肯培談過會作何感想？

460
00:28:45,473 --> 00:28:47,016
‪這些人很會吃醋的

461
00:28:47,934 --> 00:28:49,561
‪運用理性

462
00:28:49,644 --> 00:28:55,150
‪就是為影響人類行為、衝動、激情

463
00:28:55,900 --> 00:29:00,321
‪偏見和愚昧的隱晦慾望尋找藉口

464
00:29:05,702 --> 00:29:06,703
‪兩位好

465
00:29:07,370 --> 00:29:08,663
‪真是稀客

466
00:29:12,083 --> 00:29:13,084
‪比爾

467
00:29:13,168 --> 00:29:14,043
‪艾德

468
00:29:14,961 --> 00:29:15,962
‪霍頓

469
00:29:17,547 --> 00:29:18,631
‪好久不見，艾德

470
00:29:19,424 --> 00:29:20,467
‪請坐

471
00:29:24,262 --> 00:29:26,639
‪你知道霍頓特地跑去醫院

472
00:29:27,807 --> 00:29:29,267
‪探望我嗎？

473
00:29:29,893 --> 00:29:30,769
‪我知道

474
00:29:30,852 --> 00:29:32,562
‪我真的很感動

475
00:29:33,855 --> 00:29:35,899
‪這才是朋友嘛

476
00:29:39,736 --> 00:29:41,237
‪曼森啊？

477
00:29:41,946 --> 00:29:43,198
‪消息傳得真快

478
00:29:43,573 --> 00:29:45,950
‪壞事傳千里

479
00:29:46,034 --> 00:29:48,495
‪大家連查理曼森何時大便都知道

480
00:29:48,578 --> 00:29:51,289
‪就算你不知道，他也會告訴你

481
00:29:51,831 --> 00:29:53,875
‪就算別人幫他大便也是

482
00:29:55,418 --> 00:29:56,836
‪-沒錯
‪-他沒幹過那種事

483
00:29:57,587 --> 00:29:59,005
‪不知道動手的感覺

484
00:29:59,297 --> 00:30:01,174
‪你是叫我們別浪費時間訪問他？

485
00:30:01,257 --> 00:30:04,177
‪那場大屠殺案被人渲染過度了

486
00:30:04,677 --> 00:30:07,347
‪你們如果真的想知道殺人感覺

487
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:08,640
‪應該去問泰克斯

488
00:30:09,140 --> 00:30:10,975
‪-那個“典型美國人”卒子？
‪-對

489
00:30:11,643 --> 00:30:13,728
‪-你說的沒錯，比爾
‪-我們會謹記在心

490
00:30:13,812 --> 00:30:15,772
‪但我們不是來聊曼森的

491
00:30:20,568 --> 00:30:22,195
‪你想聊什麼？

492
00:30:23,947 --> 00:30:25,323
‪聊你啊，艾德

493
00:30:26,533 --> 00:30:29,160
‪我要問你之前說過的事

494
00:30:29,244 --> 00:30:31,663
‪回到命案現場的事

495
00:30:33,748 --> 00:30:34,666
‪為什麼回去？

496
00:30:36,084 --> 00:30:39,045
‪我能在殺人現場重新體驗那個感覺

497
00:30:39,128 --> 00:30:40,630
‪那種快樂的感覺

498
00:30:41,089 --> 00:30:42,715
‪不可思議的解放感

499
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:43,842
‪讓你興奮

500
00:30:44,676 --> 00:30:45,552
‪對

501
00:30:46,761 --> 00:30:49,472
‪也能抒解我的性慾

502
00:30:50,139 --> 00:30:52,100
‪什麼因素會讓你決定回去？

503
00:30:52,433 --> 00:30:54,143
‪大權在握的感覺

504
00:30:54,227 --> 00:30:56,563
‪殺人帶來的快感

505
00:30:57,188 --> 00:30:58,439
‪變成一種需求

506
00:30:58,690 --> 00:31:01,568
‪這種需求日積月累，無法遏抑時

507
00:31:01,651 --> 00:31:03,903
‪就會讓你想再殺人

508
00:31:04,696 --> 00:31:06,990
‪有時只要回憶殺人的當下

509
00:31:07,365 --> 00:31:09,325
‪就能壓抑這種需求

510
00:31:10,493 --> 00:31:13,413
‪命案現場能讓人回味那種感覺

511
00:31:13,496 --> 00:31:15,123
‪如果去不了現場呢？

512
00:31:15,206 --> 00:31:16,499
‪例如附近太多人

513
00:31:17,250 --> 00:31:19,085
‪我會留下小東西

514
00:31:19,627 --> 00:31:21,004
‪提醒我當時的經驗

515
00:31:21,087 --> 00:31:21,963
‪拍立得相機

516
00:31:22,046 --> 00:31:24,048
‪我可以握有這些東西

517
00:31:24,591 --> 00:31:25,675
‪當作紀念品

518
00:31:26,050 --> 00:31:27,594
‪你有辦法估算

519
00:31:27,677 --> 00:31:31,306
‪這些紀念品經過多久後
‪會無法滿足你嗎？

520
00:31:34,642 --> 00:31:36,519
‪霍頓，你有目標嗎？

521
00:31:38,855 --> 00:31:40,064
‪有你抓不到的人嗎？

522
00:31:43,276 --> 00:31:44,319
‪是不是，比爾？

523
00:31:44,819 --> 00:31:47,614
‪是誰？東區之狼？聖馬提歐殺手？

524
00:31:47,989 --> 00:31:50,074
‪德州45號道殺手？

525
00:31:53,036 --> 00:31:55,955
‪你發現還沒上報的凶手了

526
00:31:57,415 --> 00:31:58,625
‪剛剛嶄露頭角

527
00:31:58,708 --> 00:32:00,960
‪你對這種人有什麼心得嗎？

528
00:32:01,461 --> 00:32:02,503
‪當然有

529
00:32:03,963 --> 00:32:06,716
‪但是我必需瞭解相關事實

530
00:32:07,634 --> 00:32:10,511
‪艾德，我們不能討論調查中的案子

531
00:32:11,137 --> 00:32:12,096
‪無一例外

532
00:32:12,555 --> 00:32:13,806
‪你一定能諒解

533
00:32:14,223 --> 00:32:15,183
‪那當然，比爾

534
00:32:21,230 --> 00:32:22,982
‪這種生活很累人

535
00:32:23,816 --> 00:32:26,486
‪成功需要很多因素配合

536
00:32:27,236 --> 00:32:28,613
‪我在技巧純熟後

537
00:32:29,322 --> 00:32:32,951
‪開始留意所有條件是否正確

538
00:32:36,788 --> 00:32:41,084
‪你要抓的人有強烈的幻想生活

539
00:32:42,293 --> 00:32:45,713
‪他會幻想自己做過什麼、想做什麼

540
00:32:46,756 --> 00:32:48,424
‪要如何改進

541
00:32:50,551 --> 00:32:52,303
‪這些夢想會腐蝕他

542
00:32:52,887 --> 00:32:55,139
‪真實世界馬上就黯然失色

543
00:32:57,141 --> 00:32:58,559
‪要怎麼抓到他，艾德？

544
00:32:59,644 --> 00:33:00,520
‪他厲害的話

545
00:33:00,603 --> 00:33:01,479
‪你就抓不到

546
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:03,439
‪你們是看不出來的

547
00:33:03,523 --> 00:33:04,899
‪他會過一般人的生活

548
00:33:04,983 --> 00:33:06,859
‪交往正常、工作穩定

549
00:33:06,943 --> 00:33:09,487
‪我們知道殺人犯無法控制真實生活

550
00:33:09,862 --> 00:33:11,572
‪他們原本就是邊緣人

551
00:33:11,656 --> 00:33:14,367
‪犯案後會因為壓力而崩潰，開始犯錯

552
00:33:16,411 --> 00:33:18,955
‪我覺得你對連環殺手的瞭解

553
00:33:19,038 --> 00:33:21,124
‪全都來自已經被捕的人

554
00:33:26,504 --> 00:33:27,338
‪他好了

555
00:33:29,716 --> 00:33:30,758
‪對不起，艾德

556
00:33:32,927 --> 00:33:34,137
‪沒關係，比爾

557
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,682
‪你們準備的錄音帶夠多嗎？

558
00:33:37,765 --> 00:33:38,933
‪我有備用的

559
00:33:39,017 --> 00:33:40,435
‪八成會用上，他很多話

560
00:33:42,145 --> 00:33:43,563
‪我還是想寫書

561
00:33:43,646 --> 00:33:45,773
‪我只是需要打字機

562
00:33:46,107 --> 00:33:47,358
‪我們幫你想辦法

563
00:33:47,442 --> 00:33:48,526
‪謝謝，比爾

564
00:33:48,609 --> 00:33:49,694
‪回頭見

565
00:33:51,404 --> 00:33:52,405
‪還有一件事

566
00:33:53,614 --> 00:33:55,283
‪曼森真的很矮

567
00:33:56,325 --> 00:33:57,744
‪矮到不行

568
00:33:58,578 --> 00:33:59,662
‪不要盯著他看

569
00:34:07,128 --> 00:34:08,421
‪給狗幹

570
00:34:11,924 --> 00:34:13,217
‪幹死你

571
00:34:16,929 --> 00:34:18,097
‪幹你娘

572
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:20,683
‪幹你娘

573
00:34:24,395 --> 00:34:25,396
‪幹你娘

574
00:34:25,646 --> 00:34:26,481
‪幹你娘

575
00:34:27,940 --> 00:34:29,067
‪幹你娘

576
00:34:45,041 --> 00:34:46,584
‪我們該訪問泰克斯嗎？

577
00:34:47,293 --> 00:34:49,462
‪你知道艾德肯培一直在逗你吧？

578
00:34:49,545 --> 00:34:52,090
‪他是受訪研究對象中
‪最有力也最可信的人

579
00:34:52,173 --> 00:34:54,300
‪-你的標準太低了
‪-如果艾德肯培沒有自首

580
00:34:54,383 --> 00:34:56,135
‪也許他可以永遠逍遙法外

581
00:34:56,219 --> 00:34:57,553
‪他是不可多得的資源

582
00:34:58,179 --> 00:34:59,347
‪你買了新的麥克風

583
00:35:01,557 --> 00:35:02,558
‪為後代著想

584
00:35:14,195 --> 00:35:15,321
‪媽的，排場真大

585
00:35:21,494 --> 00:35:22,745
‪請解開他的手銬

586
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:34,507
‪全部都解開

587
00:35:36,175 --> 00:35:37,593
‪我是特別調查員坦區

588
00:35:38,010 --> 00:35:39,428
‪這位是特別調查員福特

589
00:35:40,263 --> 00:35:42,431
‪曼森先生，我們不是來偵訊的

590
00:35:42,515 --> 00:35:45,059
‪我們知道你沒有殺害
‪莎朗泰特或雷比安卡

591
00:35:45,810 --> 00:35:48,271
‪我們想知道你和曼森家族的關係

592
00:35:48,688 --> 00:35:51,065
‪以及這種關係對命案的影響

593
00:35:51,566 --> 00:35:52,567
‪請坐

594
00:35:59,323 --> 00:36:01,033
‪我們想聽你

595
00:36:01,117 --> 00:36:03,202
‪說明事發經過

596
00:36:20,344 --> 00:36:21,888
‪可以錄音嗎？

597
00:36:28,102 --> 00:36:31,230
‪最近幾年某些成員指出
‪你要為這些命案負責

598
00:36:31,731 --> 00:36:33,107
‪後來又改變自己的說詞

599
00:36:33,649 --> 00:36:36,277
‪但也有一些出名的人為你辯護

600
00:36:36,777 --> 00:36:39,197
‪你似乎就算坐牢也能控制他們

601
00:36:40,031 --> 00:36:41,490
‪但是不管他們說什麼

602
00:36:41,824 --> 00:36:43,367
‪你的說詞都一致

603
00:36:43,868 --> 00:36:45,703
‪因為我的真理很簡單

604
00:36:46,287 --> 00:36:48,164
‪你的真理很複雜

605
00:36:48,247 --> 00:36:49,290
‪怎麼個複雜法？

606
00:36:49,373 --> 00:36:51,959
‪你看不出來，但唯一的真理就是當下

607
00:36:52,293 --> 00:36:54,545
‪只有當下才是真實的

608
00:36:54,629 --> 00:36:57,089
‪我們對過去比較有興趣

609
00:36:57,173 --> 00:36:58,883
‪例如你怎麼認識、影響

610
00:36:58,966 --> 00:37:00,801
‪並給所有信徒洗腦

611
00:37:00,885 --> 00:37:02,470
‪什麼洗腦，幫幫忙

612
00:37:03,554 --> 00:37:04,847
‪曼森家族是怎麼開始的？

613
00:37:05,139 --> 00:37:06,265
‪你先從女人下手嗎？

614
00:37:06,349 --> 00:37:07,850
‪你所謂的曼森家族

615
00:37:07,934 --> 00:37:09,810
‪只是你們不想要的孩子

616
00:37:09,894 --> 00:37:11,562
‪你們把這些人當垃圾丟掉

617
00:37:11,646 --> 00:37:14,273
‪所以我把他們從路邊撿起，告訴他們

618
00:37:14,774 --> 00:37:16,734
‪愛無分對錯

619
00:37:16,817 --> 00:37:18,945
‪愛？你向信徒教導愛？

620
00:37:21,113 --> 00:37:22,865
‪坦區調查員，你娶妻生子了吧？

621
00:37:24,825 --> 00:37:25,868
‪-對
‪-對？

622
00:37:26,452 --> 00:37:29,413
‪對，他也娶妻生子了，還有鑰匙和槍

623
00:37:29,997 --> 00:37:31,874
‪他現在就在教自己的孩子

624
00:37:31,958 --> 00:37:34,710
‪他們學習他的信仰
‪以後也會遵守這些信仰

625
00:37:34,794 --> 00:37:37,505
‪你也在教導自己的孩子

626
00:37:37,964 --> 00:37:41,050
‪看看你自己，批判周遭的謊言

627
00:37:41,467 --> 00:37:43,344
‪這些拿刀朝你走來的孩子

628
00:37:43,427 --> 00:37:44,512
‪就是你的孩子

629
00:37:44,595 --> 00:37:47,014
‪他們是你的信徒，查理
‪刀子是你給的

630
00:37:47,098 --> 00:37:48,015
‪人是你教的

631
00:37:48,099 --> 00:37:49,392
‪我沒教他們

632
00:37:49,475 --> 00:37:51,185
‪我只是要幫他們站起來

633
00:37:51,269 --> 00:37:54,063
‪他們起來後跑去殺了七名無辜百姓

634
00:37:54,146 --> 00:37:55,648
‪現在怪我囉？

635
00:37:56,107 --> 00:37:58,567
‪你的孩子做壞事也算到我頭上？

636
00:37:59,318 --> 00:38:01,612
‪你自己沒管好小孩

637
00:38:01,696 --> 00:38:04,407
‪我們知道曼森家族
‪必須經過你同意才能行動

638
00:38:04,490 --> 00:38:07,702
‪你知道的話跟我講幹嘛？

639
00:38:08,202 --> 00:38:10,204
‪你應該跟自己講吧

640
00:38:16,002 --> 00:38:18,045
‪我們來討論1969年8月9日

641
00:38:18,129 --> 00:38:19,672
‪那件事已經過去了

642
00:38:19,755 --> 00:38:22,008
‪過去的就讓它過去，老弟

643
00:38:22,091 --> 00:38:25,553
‪你在那年夏天告訴曼森家族
‪“迴旋溜滑梯時間到了”

644
00:38:25,636 --> 00:38:28,389
‪他們必須殺掉有錢白人
‪發動種族大戰

645
00:38:28,472 --> 00:38:30,975
‪那是檢察官的幻想，他的恐懼

646
00:38:31,058 --> 00:38:33,060
‪那是他的恐懼倒影

647
00:38:33,144 --> 00:38:35,229
‪你是說這件事沒發生過？

648
00:38:35,313 --> 00:38:37,023
‪我當然會說沒這回事

649
00:38:37,106 --> 00:38:39,483
‪布里歐西是個天才

650
00:38:39,567 --> 00:38:43,321
‪他得到所有檢察官的夢想
‪但是案子無法成立

651
00:38:43,946 --> 00:38:44,947
‪他的案子無法成立

652
00:38:45,448 --> 00:38:47,867
‪所以他讓琳達卡薩賓作證

653
00:38:47,950 --> 00:38:52,288
‪她說自己有多可憐，到處騙人

654
00:38:52,371 --> 00:38:55,249
‪做盡她能想到的壞事

655
00:38:55,333 --> 00:38:58,294
‪但是沒關係，現在她說實話了

656
00:38:58,919 --> 00:39:01,380
‪她沒有外在動機

657
00:39:01,464 --> 00:39:03,382
‪例如免除七項殺人罪

658
00:39:03,466 --> 00:39:04,800
‪你指控她說謊？

659
00:39:04,884 --> 00:39:05,843
‪所有證人都說謊？

660
00:39:05,926 --> 00:39:09,472
‪每個證人的說詞都只對自己有利

661
00:39:09,555 --> 00:39:11,640
‪他們的證詞不會對我有好處

662
00:39:13,059 --> 00:39:15,561
‪你們真的相信迴旋溜滑梯這種屁話？

663
00:39:15,644 --> 00:39:17,688
‪“警察去死”、“警察是政治打手”

664
00:39:18,272 --> 00:39:20,858
‪-不得不說這很明顯
‪-明顯個頭

665
00:39:21,901 --> 00:39:24,028
‪我也許對黑人和白人有意見

666
00:39:24,111 --> 00:39:25,780
‪也討厭他們的問題

667
00:39:25,863 --> 00:39:28,157
‪但我可不記得說要發動種族大戰

668
00:39:28,699 --> 00:39:29,992
‪為什麼會有這種說法？

669
00:39:30,076 --> 00:39:33,579
‪一開始是賽蒂聽到
‪披頭四的專輯裡話中有話

670
00:39:33,871 --> 00:39:38,042
‪她把變態想看的題材交給媒體刊登

671
00:39:38,125 --> 00:39:39,418
‪地檢署採信賽蒂的版本

672
00:39:39,502 --> 00:39:41,587
‪報導在審理期間拼命放送

673
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:44,632
‪“查理曼森：全世界最危險的人”

674
00:39:45,174 --> 00:39:48,511
‪“嬉皮邪教領袖灌輸信徒殺人想法”

675
00:39:48,594 --> 00:39:52,431
‪那本書把我描寫成超人
‪說我看一眼就能讓手錶停止

676
00:39:53,182 --> 00:39:54,725
‪連我在牢房裡都在想

677
00:39:54,809 --> 00:39:56,811
‪“我真的有那麼厲害？”

678
00:39:57,186 --> 00:39:59,271
‪連我自己都差點相信了

679
00:39:59,939 --> 00:40:02,233
‪但是我只要看到時鐘就拼命瞪

680
00:40:02,316 --> 00:40:03,567
‪結果怎麼著？

681
00:40:03,651 --> 00:40:05,820
‪我不管怎麼瞪，時鐘還是會跑

682
00:40:05,903 --> 00:40:08,697
‪你把一群年輕人關在沙漠裡

683
00:40:08,781 --> 00:40:10,908
‪給他們毒品，讓他們相信你是神

684
00:40:10,991 --> 00:40:12,159
‪派他們去殺人

685
00:40:12,243 --> 00:40:16,288
‪你聽好，巴比貝索立
‪因為殺人坐牢，你懂嗎？

686
00:40:16,664 --> 00:40:18,249
‪泰克斯和賽蒂跑來找我

687
00:40:18,332 --> 00:40:21,377
‪建議來幾個模仿殺人案讓他出獄

688
00:40:21,669 --> 00:40:24,171
‪你是說這些殺人案的目的

689
00:40:24,797 --> 00:40:26,590
‪只是為了讓巴比貝索立出獄？

690
00:40:26,674 --> 00:40:30,511
‪這些孩子用冷酷無情的眼睛看我

691
00:40:31,178 --> 00:40:32,430
‪對，你的孩子

692
00:40:33,097 --> 00:40:35,516
‪泰克斯華生，“典型美國人”小子

693
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:37,101
‪德州科普維小鎮之光

694
00:40:37,184 --> 00:40:39,478
‪我很聰明，不想反對他

695
00:40:40,271 --> 00:40:41,564
‪所以我說

696
00:40:41,647 --> 00:40:43,607
‪“你跟隨你心中的愛

697
00:40:43,691 --> 00:40:45,484
‪我跟隨我心中的愛”

698
00:40:45,568 --> 00:40:48,654
‪不管他做什麼，都是他的事
‪你必須聽他解釋

699
00:40:48,737 --> 00:40:49,947
‪我要搞清楚一下

700
00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:53,534
‪這是他們的計畫？你沒有責任…

701
00:40:53,617 --> 00:40:56,454
‪每個人都有自己的圈圈

702
00:40:56,537 --> 00:41:00,249
‪他只為自己的圈圈負責

703
00:41:00,332 --> 00:41:02,501
‪我不記得自己說過

704
00:41:02,585 --> 00:41:05,337
‪“去拿刀隨便殺人”這類的話

705
00:41:05,421 --> 00:41:06,338
‪狗屁

706
00:41:07,756 --> 00:41:10,551
‪我可以用麥克風電線殺了你

707
00:41:10,926 --> 00:41:12,094
‪用鉛筆也可以

708
00:41:12,803 --> 00:41:15,222
‪但是我很自愛，所以不會這麼做

709
00:41:15,306 --> 00:41:17,349
‪不，你會這件事放到別人的“圈圈”

710
00:41:18,934 --> 00:41:20,394
‪你聽好，泰克斯…

711
00:41:20,478 --> 00:41:23,981
‪我不知道他毒品藥效快結束了
‪還是剛開始

712
00:41:24,064 --> 00:41:26,066
‪我當晚回到大屠殺命案現場時

713
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:28,694
‪派一個孩子進屋看他是不是真的殺人

714
00:41:28,777 --> 00:41:29,778
‪你為什麼不進去？

715
00:41:30,738 --> 00:41:33,282
‪那是犯罪現場，我會違反假釋規定

716
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:37,912
‪但你去了雷比安卡命案現場啦，查理

717
00:41:37,995 --> 00:41:39,705
‪我一定得去…

718
00:41:40,664 --> 00:41:41,540
‪-一定？
‪-對

719
00:41:41,624 --> 00:41:44,627
‪泰克斯想要壓我

720
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:46,212
‪他想讓我看起來沒力

721
00:41:46,712 --> 00:41:49,048
‪我們都必須在心裡大步前進

722
00:41:49,131 --> 00:41:51,759
‪我們會學新東西，他把道理改了

723
00:41:51,842 --> 00:41:54,094
‪他出去創造自己的圈圈

724
00:41:54,678 --> 00:41:57,848
‪現在他想回到“耶穌愛我”這一套？

725
00:41:57,932 --> 00:41:59,350
‪羔羊的血

726
00:41:59,433 --> 00:42:02,478
‪我們玩了兩千年的對錯遊戲？

727
00:42:02,561 --> 00:42:03,979
‪對錯是一種遊戲？

728
00:42:04,063 --> 00:42:07,107
‪沒有對錯，只有當下

729
00:42:07,608 --> 00:42:09,109
‪人生無論如何都是對的

730
00:42:09,193 --> 00:42:11,153
‪跟對錯一點關係都沒有

731
00:42:11,237 --> 00:42:13,322
‪所以殺害七個人只是“當下”？

732
00:42:15,074 --> 00:42:16,617
‪當下就是如此，不是嗎？

733
00:42:19,286 --> 00:42:21,539
‪沒有人死，也沒人活著

734
00:42:21,622 --> 00:42:23,707
‪這兩個字只是過時的遊戲

735
00:42:23,791 --> 00:42:25,501
‪查理，人死了就是死了，你造成的

736
00:42:25,584 --> 00:42:27,002
‪天下萬物都是愛

737
00:42:27,086 --> 00:42:28,587
‪沒有什麼不是愛

738
00:42:28,671 --> 00:42:29,505
‪真的？

739
00:42:29,588 --> 00:42:30,464
‪沒有？

740
00:42:31,257 --> 00:42:32,841
‪你還想聽這種屁話多久？

741
00:42:32,925 --> 00:42:35,803
‪老兄，你必須走不同的路

742
00:42:35,886 --> 00:42:38,347
‪反穿衣服，讓大家笑笑你

743
00:42:38,430 --> 00:42:39,557
‪查理，你是個懦夫

744
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,850
‪你不敢承擔行為後果

745
00:42:41,934 --> 00:42:44,353
‪對，你用牙齒吃肉

746
00:42:44,436 --> 00:42:46,438
‪你殺掉比你高尚的動物

747
00:42:46,522 --> 00:42:48,274
‪然後說你的孩子殺人

748
00:42:48,357 --> 00:42:49,525
‪不，我說你殺人

749
00:42:49,608 --> 00:42:52,194
‪-我沒殺過人…
‪-你叫他們進那間房子

750
00:42:52,278 --> 00:42:54,738
‪-殺光裡面的人
‪-我沒有下令殺人

751
00:42:56,198 --> 00:42:59,910
‪我沒要任何人做他們不想做的事

752
00:42:59,994 --> 00:43:01,161
‪你也沒有阻止他們

753
00:43:01,245 --> 00:43:04,582
‪我採取放任教育
‪他跌倒了才能學到東西

754
00:43:04,665 --> 00:43:06,125
‪跌倒了才能更堅強

755
00:43:06,208 --> 00:43:08,961
‪你不該讓孩子跌倒，你應該引導他們

756
00:43:09,044 --> 00:43:10,379
‪引導他們到哪裡？

757
00:43:10,879 --> 00:43:12,798
‪引導他們到你引導的地方？

758
00:43:12,881 --> 00:43:14,842
‪-你他媽矮冬瓜
‪-比爾

759
00:43:20,055 --> 00:43:21,724
‪坦區調查員，你心中的怒火

760
00:43:21,807 --> 00:43:23,892
‪源於你對自己的憤怒

761
00:43:24,476 --> 00:43:26,145
‪找別人發洩吧

762
00:43:26,228 --> 00:43:28,355
‪我懶得當你的出氣筒

763
00:43:28,439 --> 00:43:30,149
‪我懶得當你的倒影

764
00:43:30,232 --> 00:43:32,860
‪-你不是我的倒影
‪-我一直是你的倒影

765
00:43:32,943 --> 00:43:34,945
‪我八歲時就在你的牢籠裡

766
00:43:35,279 --> 00:43:36,488
‪我甚至沒有名字

767
00:43:36,572 --> 00:43:38,782
‪我是B33920

768
00:43:38,866 --> 00:43:40,326
‪鈴聲響起，我起身

769
00:43:40,993 --> 00:43:42,995
‪鈴聲響起，我出去

770
00:43:43,078 --> 00:43:45,998
‪鈴聲響起，鈴聲說幹嘛我就幹嘛

771
00:43:46,081 --> 00:43:47,708
‪我是巴夫洛夫的狗

772
00:43:47,791 --> 00:43:49,543
‪你要我是什麼，我就是什麼

773
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,006
‪但你要的是魔鬼…

774
00:43:54,715 --> 00:43:56,300
‪因為你就是魔鬼

775
00:43:56,884 --> 00:43:59,261
‪我對你的世界毫無影響力

776
00:43:59,345 --> 00:44:00,721
‪那是你造成的

777
00:44:02,222 --> 00:44:04,600
‪你對這些殺人案有什麼感想？

778
00:44:04,683 --> 00:44:05,851
‪這才是重點

779
00:44:06,352 --> 00:44:08,979
‪全都發生在你的世界裡，和我無關

780
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,900
‪重點是你下令殺害七個人

781
00:44:12,983 --> 00:44:15,235
‪把胎兒算在內就是八人

782
00:44:15,319 --> 00:44:17,613
‪現在你可以投射到我身上了

783
00:44:17,696 --> 00:44:20,032
‪你可以用監牢把我關起來

784
00:44:20,115 --> 00:44:22,326
‪你可以說自己的世界比較好

785
00:44:23,118 --> 00:44:24,953
‪但是監獄在人心裡

786
00:44:25,663 --> 00:44:28,207
‪我們都在監獄裡
‪我們都是自己的典獄長

787
00:44:28,290 --> 00:44:29,792
‪我們坐自己的牢

788
00:44:30,334 --> 00:44:32,086
‪監獄在你心裡

789
00:44:32,795 --> 00:44:34,380
‪你看不出我很自由嗎？

790
00:44:34,463 --> 00:44:35,923
‪我不覺得你很自由，查理

791
00:44:36,006 --> 00:44:37,508
‪我也不覺得你自由

792
00:44:38,175 --> 00:44:41,428
‪你的樣子就是其他人描述你的樣貌

793
00:44:41,970 --> 00:44:45,391
‪你只在乎別人想法，你的臉痛了

794
00:44:45,474 --> 00:44:46,934
‪還在想好不好看

795
00:44:47,017 --> 00:44:47,851
‪我受夠了

796
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:49,395
‪比爾

797
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:52,481
‪老弟

798
00:44:52,564 --> 00:44:54,316
‪我喜歡你的墨鏡

799
00:44:55,025 --> 00:44:56,068
‪可以送我嗎？

800
00:45:06,286 --> 00:45:07,329
‪謝謝你的慷慨

801
00:45:08,038 --> 00:45:12,668
‪幹，這個小矮人最好直接下地獄

802
00:45:13,085 --> 00:45:14,002
‪福特調查員

803
00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:24,179
‪曼森說這是他偷的

804
00:45:24,763 --> 00:45:26,014
‪他說這是他偷的？

805
00:45:26,098 --> 00:45:27,307
‪他到處跟人吹噓

806
00:45:27,391 --> 00:45:28,559
‪他被送去關禁閉了

807
00:45:33,313 --> 00:45:34,606
‪屁話一堆

808
00:45:35,607 --> 00:45:36,900
‪哪種說法比較有理？

809
00:45:37,651 --> 00:45:40,946
‪曼森不得不配合
‪泰克斯和賽蒂的模仿犯罪

810
00:45:41,029 --> 00:45:43,198
‪還是披頭四預言的種族大戰？

811
00:45:43,282 --> 00:45:44,575
‪你是說檢察官說謊？

812
00:45:47,369 --> 00:45:48,704
‪我是說他言之有理

813
00:45:49,872 --> 00:45:52,875
‪他必須向正常的中產階級陪審團解釋

814
00:45:52,958 --> 00:45:56,462
‪為什麼正常長大的中產階級孩子
‪會屠殺七人

815
00:45:56,795 --> 00:45:57,629
‪天啊，霍頓

816
00:46:00,257 --> 00:46:01,550
‪泰克斯被關的地方不遠

817
00:46:01,759 --> 00:46:04,344
‪-我們在這邊過夜訪問他吧
‪-我得回家

818
00:46:06,221 --> 00:46:07,598
‪多待一天也不行？

819
00:46:07,681 --> 00:46:08,974
‪真的不行

820
00:46:09,391 --> 00:46:11,518
‪亞特蘭大那件事後我們得很小心

821
00:46:16,648 --> 00:46:19,985
‪如果你要留下來做訪談，我要確定

822
00:46:20,527 --> 00:46:21,361
‪你靠得住嗎？

823
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:24,114
‪不用擔心

824
00:46:25,532 --> 00:46:28,619
‪做完訪談就回來，懂嗎？

825
00:46:28,952 --> 00:46:29,828
‪我保證

826
00:46:31,705 --> 00:46:32,623
‪謝了，比爾

827
00:46:35,083 --> 00:46:36,835
‪幹，你手錶幾點？

828
00:46:38,295 --> 00:46:39,505
‪5點16分

829
00:46:40,464 --> 00:46:41,924
‪你手錶壞了嗎？

830
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:56,522
‪（舊金山國際機場）

831
00:46:57,648 --> 00:46:58,565
‪對不起

832
00:46:59,066 --> 00:47:01,401
‪聯邦調查局，可以請飛機等我嗎？

833
00:47:01,485 --> 00:47:02,820
‪抱歉，已經飛走了

834
00:47:04,196 --> 00:47:05,155
‪有紅眼航班嗎？

835
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,449
‪晚上10點的班機
‪早上6點半到華盛頓

836
00:47:09,409 --> 00:47:10,327
‪謝謝

837
00:47:32,850 --> 00:47:33,934
‪對不起

838
00:47:34,017 --> 00:47:37,479
‪如果你要先開始的話
‪我可以…告訴他狀況

839
00:47:37,563 --> 00:47:39,940
‪這次約診對父母雙方都有好處

840
00:47:43,777 --> 00:47:44,653
‪對不起

841
00:47:47,614 --> 00:47:48,866
‪真的對不起，我遲到了

842
00:47:49,783 --> 00:47:50,993
‪沒關係，難免的

843
00:47:51,702 --> 00:47:55,455
‪跟李藍女士或檢察官約時間遲到的話

844
00:47:55,539 --> 00:47:56,498
‪才比較嚴重

845
00:47:56,582 --> 00:47:59,543
‪你們要儘量避免違反規定

846
00:47:59,626 --> 00:48:00,460
‪一定的

847
00:48:01,295 --> 00:48:02,296
‪我是來幫兩位的

848
00:48:02,921 --> 00:48:06,633
‪當然也要幫布萊恩
‪儘量順利通過這道程序

849
00:48:07,384 --> 00:48:08,218
‪謝謝

850
00:48:08,302 --> 00:48:12,306
‪療程目標是瞭解
‪布萊恩對這起事件的想法

851
00:48:12,389 --> 00:48:13,223
‪他的意圖…

852
00:48:13,307 --> 00:48:15,809
‪他無意傷害那個小男生

853
00:48:16,685 --> 00:48:17,853
‪他以為做個十字架…

854
00:48:17,936 --> 00:48:20,814
‪坦區太太，我必須聽布萊恩親口說

855
00:48:20,898 --> 00:48:22,608
‪我很瞭解自己的孩子

856
00:48:22,691 --> 00:48:26,028
‪妳對布萊恩行為的瞭解也很重要

857
00:48:26,111 --> 00:48:28,280
‪但我們必須按部就班走完程序

858
00:48:29,156 --> 00:48:30,157
‪我們瞭解

859
00:48:33,201 --> 00:48:34,494
‪先從家庭生活開始

860
00:48:34,578 --> 00:48:37,998
‪李藍女士說你在調查局工作
‪經常出差

861
00:48:38,081 --> 00:48:39,958
‪你太太說你在巡迴學校教書？

862
00:48:40,042 --> 00:48:41,877
‪他現在幾乎都在家了

863
00:48:44,338 --> 00:48:46,214
‪坦區先生，你到底為什麼遲到？

864
00:48:46,632 --> 00:48:49,051
‪我在聯邦調查局的行為科學組工作

865
00:48:50,344 --> 00:48:51,470
‪我不知道這是什麼意思

866
00:48:52,179 --> 00:48:55,015
‪我們負責根據歹徒的心理特徵

867
00:48:55,098 --> 00:48:57,100
‪擬定一套罪犯的辨識程序

868
00:48:57,184 --> 00:48:58,477
‪怎麼做？

869
00:48:59,645 --> 00:49:02,147
‪我們訪問已經定罪的重刑犯

870
00:49:02,230 --> 00:49:03,982
‪整理他們的行為

871
00:49:04,274 --> 00:49:06,443
‪瞭解他們的心理狀態

872
00:49:06,526 --> 00:49:08,236
‪你們研究哪種犯人？

873
00:49:08,820 --> 00:49:10,989
‪我研究殺害多人的凶手

874
00:49:18,789 --> 00:49:22,042
‪你今天早上有訪問真正的殺人犯嗎？

875
00:49:23,043 --> 00:49:25,128
‪我遲到的原因是昨天在加州

876
00:49:25,420 --> 00:49:26,964
‪訪問查理曼森

877
00:49:28,799 --> 00:49:29,675
‪查理曼森？

878
00:49:30,717 --> 00:49:31,635
‪是的

879
00:49:33,512 --> 00:49:35,973
‪等一下，你直接和查理曼森講話？

880
00:49:37,182 --> 00:49:39,768
‪他這個人很特別吧？

881
00:49:40,310 --> 00:49:41,311
‪一點也沒錯

882
00:49:41,395 --> 00:49:45,232
‪我承認我很想知道對話內容

883
00:49:46,274 --> 00:49:47,442
‪可以說一點嗎？

884
00:49:49,236 --> 00:49:50,070
‪沒問題

885
00:49:51,488 --> 00:49:52,698
‪（泰克斯華生）

886
00:49:52,781 --> 00:49:56,159
‪我在這邊關一陣子後
‪開始更瞭解查理曼森

887
00:49:56,535 --> 00:49:57,452
‪怎麼說？

888
00:49:58,161 --> 00:49:59,329
‪生存問題

889
00:49:59,913 --> 00:50:04,042
‪查理曼森不是狠角色
‪所以他創造了先知的化身

890
00:50:04,126 --> 00:50:05,752
‪當然是假先知

891
00:50:06,378 --> 00:50:09,673
‪他說的話全都沒有成真
‪除了我們做的事

892
00:50:11,299 --> 00:50:14,219
‪但是他能說服你做出想都不敢想的事

893
00:50:14,970 --> 00:50:18,682
‪我們不知道他是耶穌還是魔鬼，但…

894
00:50:19,433 --> 00:50:21,518
‪無論如何都不必孤獨面對世界

895
00:50:21,601 --> 00:50:23,103
‪可是你成長過程並不孤單

896
00:50:23,437 --> 00:50:24,813
‪你說家庭和樂

897
00:50:24,896 --> 00:50:28,316
‪你在認識查理之前
‪一定早就知道是非對錯

898
00:50:29,317 --> 00:50:33,113
‪姑且說查理曼森能讓你覺得
‪一切都是你的幻想

899
00:50:34,197 --> 00:50:37,909
‪一開始很簡單，例如叫我們圍成一圈

900
00:50:37,993 --> 00:50:40,203
‪中間放一把椅子

901
00:50:40,287 --> 00:50:44,291
‪要我們想像那把椅子有坐人

902
00:50:44,374 --> 00:50:46,168
‪我們必須把那個人嚇死

903
00:50:47,085 --> 00:50:48,920
‪瞪著他們，朝他們大叫

904
00:50:49,004 --> 00:50:50,130
‪空椅子？

905
00:50:50,505 --> 00:50:53,300
‪但在我們心裡
‪那把椅子上有末日女妖

906
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,386
‪查理會討論我們可以把他們怎麼樣

907
00:50:57,304 --> 00:50:59,848
‪例如闖進他們家

908
00:50:59,931 --> 00:51:02,851
‪把他們綁起來，殺光全家

909
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,813
‪這些想法起先都是他的
‪後來灌輸給我們

910
00:51:07,314 --> 00:51:10,567
‪一旦我們有了這些想法
‪他就會派我們去恐怖爬行

911
00:51:10,650 --> 00:51:12,444
‪對不起，恐怖爬行是什麼？

912
00:51:12,527 --> 00:51:15,822
‪這是查理的發明，潛入別人家

913
00:51:15,906 --> 00:51:17,657
‪搬動家具

914
00:51:18,075 --> 00:51:21,787
‪他說這樣可以讓我們
‪面對恐懼，克服恐懼

915
00:51:21,870 --> 00:51:25,082
‪可是查理給我們太多毒品
‪我們根本就什麼都不怕

916
00:51:25,165 --> 00:51:26,041
‪是他給的？

917
00:51:26,416 --> 00:51:30,003
‪顛茄、迷幻藥、安非他命

918
00:51:30,337 --> 00:51:32,589
‪等到查理說迴旋溜滑梯要來的時候

919
00:51:32,672 --> 00:51:34,382
‪我們早就開始嗑很強的毒品

920
00:51:34,466 --> 00:51:36,051
‪查理有提到迴旋溜滑梯嗎？

921
00:51:36,134 --> 00:51:37,135
‪一天到晚提

922
00:51:37,219 --> 00:51:40,388
‪他說迴旋溜滑梯是檢察官捏造的

923
00:51:40,931 --> 00:51:44,226
‪我認識查理曼森時
‪他就在提種族大戰

924
00:51:44,810 --> 00:51:47,604
‪我們每天都以為世界要毀滅了

925
00:51:48,105 --> 00:51:49,523
‪這樣反而自由

926
00:51:50,023 --> 00:51:52,567
‪如果沒有明天，做什麼都無所謂

927
00:51:53,777 --> 00:51:56,446
‪如果世界毀滅了，殺人放火又如何？

928
00:51:57,072 --> 00:51:59,241
‪福特調查員，你又會犯下什麼罪？

929
00:51:59,324 --> 00:52:01,952
‪我覺得自己還是能明辨是非

930
00:52:02,035 --> 00:52:03,578
‪到那個時候就沒有對錯了

931
00:52:03,662 --> 00:52:05,747
‪我沒有良心，我的良心被剝奪了

932
00:52:05,831 --> 00:52:06,748
‪被查理？

933
00:52:08,667 --> 00:52:10,710
‪查理說你和賽蒂想利用殺人案

934
00:52:10,794 --> 00:52:13,338
‪讓巴比貝索立出獄

935
00:52:14,131 --> 00:52:16,842
‪你必須瞭解我們都是一體的

936
00:52:16,925 --> 00:52:18,176
‪我們都是團體的一部分

937
00:52:18,260 --> 00:52:20,095
‪想法完全一致

938
00:52:20,637 --> 00:52:23,849
‪查理老是說如果黑人
‪不馬上開始迴旋溜滑梯

939
00:52:23,932 --> 00:52:25,475
‪我們就必須教他們

940
00:52:26,434 --> 00:52:28,728
‪他選擇大屠殺命案現場
‪是因為他去過那裡

941
00:52:28,812 --> 00:52:30,147
‪所以那是他的想法

942
00:52:30,605 --> 00:52:31,857
‪這些全都是他的想法

943
00:52:31,940 --> 00:52:33,316
‪可是他不跟你們去

944
00:52:33,900 --> 00:52:36,153
‪查理不想親自動手

945
00:52:36,236 --> 00:52:37,445
‪但是他有去那間屋子

946
00:52:37,529 --> 00:52:39,531
‪只在事成之後

947
00:52:42,325 --> 00:52:45,620
‪查理有給你或女教友具體命令嗎？

948
00:52:46,705 --> 00:52:48,373
‪他叫我殺了每個人

949
00:52:48,456 --> 00:52:51,209
‪他說：“越血腥越好”

950
00:52:51,293 --> 00:52:52,752
‪他說：“全部殺光”

951
00:52:54,337 --> 00:52:55,338
‪你也照做了

952
00:52:55,797 --> 00:52:56,673
‪是的

953
00:53:03,430 --> 00:53:04,514
‪我記得

954
00:53:05,390 --> 00:53:06,266
‪在車上

955
00:53:07,767 --> 00:53:11,146
‪我嗑了太多藥，精神不濟

956
00:53:12,189 --> 00:53:14,733
‪我把頭枕在賽蒂的大腿上

957
00:53:17,110 --> 00:53:19,988
‪她把我搖醒，叫我切斷電話線

958
00:53:21,448 --> 00:53:24,576
‪後來我只記得走在車道上

959
00:53:25,368 --> 00:53:29,080
‪突然出現車燈，賽蒂大叫：“殺了他”

960
00:53:30,081 --> 00:53:30,916
‪我往下看

961
00:53:31,416 --> 00:53:32,667
‪發現手裡有一把槍

962
00:53:32,751 --> 00:53:35,295
‪所以我把槍伸進車窗扣下扳機

963
00:53:35,378 --> 00:53:37,672
‪什麼都沒想，毫無感覺

964
00:53:37,756 --> 00:53:39,633
‪18歲的史蒂文帕倫

965
00:53:40,425 --> 00:53:42,510
‪這是我這輩子犯下的第一個罪

966
00:53:44,012 --> 00:53:45,222
‪但是我已經懺悔了

967
00:53:45,305 --> 00:53:48,350
‪上帝原諒了我，保佑我的靈魂

968
00:53:48,433 --> 00:53:50,143
‪你說你毫無感覺？

969
00:53:50,810 --> 00:53:52,771
‪因為我們根本不怕死

970
00:53:54,564 --> 00:53:55,565
‪好

971
00:53:59,527 --> 00:54:00,946
‪屋裡發生了什麼事？

972
00:54:03,281 --> 00:54:05,659
‪我記得自己跟著賽蒂進去

973
00:54:07,661 --> 00:54:10,288
‪有個男的睡在沙發上

974
00:54:11,206 --> 00:54:12,332
‪四下無聲

975
00:54:14,417 --> 00:54:16,920
‪結果其他房間開始有人出來

976
00:54:17,295 --> 00:54:19,172
‪有人朝我走來，大聲呼喊

977
00:54:19,256 --> 00:54:21,883
‪我手上有槍，所以殺了他

978
00:54:23,385 --> 00:54:25,387
‪後來一陣混亂

979
00:54:25,470 --> 00:54:26,721
‪女人開始尖叫

980
00:54:26,805 --> 00:54:29,516
‪我們拿刀殺人，到處亂跑

981
00:54:30,267 --> 00:54:31,643
‪到處都是血

982
00:54:31,726 --> 00:54:33,228
‪那時有任何感覺嗎？

983
00:54:33,311 --> 00:54:35,230
‪賽蒂必須踢我才能讓我繼續

984
00:54:35,313 --> 00:54:36,314
‪可是你…

985
00:54:36,940 --> 00:54:37,899
‪繼續動手

986
00:54:38,775 --> 00:54:41,736
‪你要記住，那些人…只是形狀

987
00:54:41,820 --> 00:54:43,238
‪他們沒有面孔

988
00:54:44,489 --> 00:54:46,366
‪賽蒂在外面對著我叫

989
00:54:46,449 --> 00:54:48,743
‪她把一個女人壓制在草皮上

990
00:54:49,369 --> 00:54:50,578
‪所以我拿刀刺她

991
00:54:50,662 --> 00:54:52,330
‪你刺了艾碧佳福格…

992
00:54:53,748 --> 00:54:55,083
‪28刀

993
00:54:55,959 --> 00:54:56,876
‪是的

994
00:54:57,752 --> 00:55:00,130
‪我到的時候她就已經快死了

995
00:55:01,923 --> 00:55:04,718
‪佛考斯基身上有51處刀傷

996
00:55:05,176 --> 00:55:08,513
‪我記得刀起刀落，就像…

997
00:55:09,973 --> 00:55:11,391
‪引擎活塞

998
00:55:11,474 --> 00:55:13,852
‪直到我的拳頭消失在騷亂中

999
00:55:16,604 --> 00:55:17,439
‪然後呢？

1000
00:55:18,189 --> 00:55:19,858
‪然後我們進客廳

1001
00:55:23,194 --> 00:55:24,487
‪莎朗泰特在的地方

1002
00:55:28,033 --> 00:55:29,242
‪你看得出她懷孕嗎？

1003
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:31,119
‪看得出來

1004
00:55:40,837 --> 00:55:43,006
‪她求我們帶她走

1005
00:55:43,089 --> 00:55:45,884
‪讓她生完孩子再殺了她

1006
00:55:53,641 --> 00:55:54,559
‪泰克斯？

1007
00:55:57,312 --> 00:55:59,981
‪把她帶走這個想法在當時很合理

1008
00:56:00,774 --> 00:56:02,525
‪但我還是一直聽到查理的聲音

1009
00:56:02,609 --> 00:56:03,693
‪“全部殺光”

1010
00:56:04,027 --> 00:56:06,821
‪他一直跟我說
‪“要確定每個人都死了”

1011
00:56:08,448 --> 00:56:09,366
‪所以你不留情

1012
00:56:10,116 --> 00:56:11,618
‪我很聽查理的話

1013
00:56:12,994 --> 00:56:14,329
‪除了到其他人的家

1014
00:56:15,205 --> 00:56:16,289
‪什麼其他人的家？

1015
00:56:16,664 --> 00:56:19,501
‪查理給我一份殺人名單，但是我累了

1016
00:56:20,377 --> 00:56:22,504
‪拿刀殺人很累的，福特調查員

1017
00:56:22,587 --> 00:56:25,799
‪有時會刺到骨頭，我的手好痛

1018
00:56:27,467 --> 00:56:31,471
‪所以我們回到農場，我整個人睡死了

1019
00:56:33,473 --> 00:56:36,643
‪泰克斯，如果你不認識查理曼森

1020
00:56:36,726 --> 00:56:38,144
‪你覺得自己會殺人嗎？

1021
00:56:38,478 --> 00:56:39,479
‪希望不會

1022
00:56:40,188 --> 00:56:42,148
‪我向上帝祈求自己不會，但…

1023
00:56:44,109 --> 00:56:46,111
‪我知道自己滿腔怒火

1024
00:56:46,194 --> 00:56:48,571
‪我用槍和刀殺了他們

1025
00:56:49,114 --> 00:56:52,492
‪我用手槍打佛考斯基的頭
‪直到我的手骨折為止

1026
00:56:52,575 --> 00:56:54,202
‪但那是查理叫你做的

1027
00:56:54,828 --> 00:56:56,579
‪查理從來沒殺過人

1028
00:56:57,414 --> 00:56:59,499
‪他只是讓我們不怕殺人

1029
00:57:00,792 --> 00:57:02,794
‪所以你要負起責任

1030
00:57:03,837 --> 00:57:05,338
‪人是我殺的

1031
00:57:06,131 --> 00:57:07,132
‪全部都是

1032
00:57:07,715 --> 00:57:10,176
‪他們是“華生殺手”的受害者

1033
00:57:10,844 --> 00:57:15,807
‪但聖經說世人都犯了罪
‪虧缺了神的榮耀

1034
00:57:15,890 --> 00:57:18,226
‪懺悔者必得恩典

1035
00:57:18,726 --> 00:57:19,644
‪我迷失了

1036
00:57:19,727 --> 00:57:21,146
‪直到我獻身上帝

1037
00:57:21,229 --> 00:57:24,941
‪可是現在，基督聖血洗滌我的罪

1038
00:57:25,984 --> 00:57:28,236
‪先是信曼森，然後信耶穌

1039
00:57:28,736 --> 00:57:31,197
‪他只是改信不同宗教

1040
00:57:32,365 --> 00:57:34,325
‪我在意的並非故事前後矛盾

1041
00:57:34,409 --> 00:57:36,494
‪也不是來源不可靠

1042
00:57:37,328 --> 00:57:39,497
‪我也不確定曼森的訪談是否沒用

1043
00:57:40,331 --> 00:57:42,459
‪他能影響年輕信徒

1044
00:57:42,542 --> 00:57:44,294
‪就跟科爾能影響杭利一樣

1045
00:57:44,794 --> 00:57:46,754
‪他利用性和毒品

1046
00:57:46,838 --> 00:57:49,132
‪但他顯然有自己的一套哲學

1047
00:57:49,215 --> 00:57:50,341
‪這樣也叫哲學？

1048
00:57:50,425 --> 00:57:52,552
‪迴旋溜滑梯到底是什麼？

1049
00:57:53,386 --> 00:57:54,387
‪這是抄來的

1050
00:57:54,471 --> 00:57:55,972
‪但是對他有什麼用？

1051
00:57:56,514 --> 00:57:59,350
‪如果迴旋溜滑梯的重點
‪不是種族大戰呢？

1052
00:57:59,684 --> 00:58:01,394
‪如果重點在於控制呢？

1053
00:58:01,811 --> 00:58:04,397
‪-控制家族成員？
‪-用來團結成員

1054
00:58:04,481 --> 00:58:07,734
‪如果泰克斯和賽蒂真的想出
‪模仿犯罪的點子呢？

1055
00:58:08,234 --> 00:58:10,528
‪這種想法主動、危險、革新

1056
00:58:11,112 --> 00:58:13,990
‪雖然不一定是曼森想要的
‪但是他們沒上他的當

1057
00:58:14,324 --> 00:58:16,159
‪他們只是照他平常的教誨去做

1058
00:58:16,576 --> 00:58:18,244
‪從曼森的角度

1059
00:58:19,078 --> 00:58:20,914
‪他的權威地位可能受到挑戰

1060
00:58:20,997 --> 00:58:22,290
‪他只好順水推舟

1061
00:58:22,373 --> 00:58:23,416
‪在雷比安卡的家

1062
00:58:23,500 --> 00:58:26,294
‪曼森先進去把受害者綁起來
‪然後才叫殺手進去

1063
00:58:26,377 --> 00:58:28,880
‪他要提醒信徒這是他的計畫

1064
00:58:28,963 --> 00:58:29,797
‪不是別人想的

1065
00:58:29,881 --> 00:58:33,218
‪他盡力維持自己
‪對曼森家族成員的權威

1066
00:58:33,635 --> 00:58:37,096
‪為了控制，就算只是表面功夫
‪什麼代價都值得

1067
00:58:37,597 --> 00:58:38,973
‪就算要殺七個人

1068
00:58:39,057 --> 00:58:40,767
‪我們離開時他做了一件很怪的事

1069
00:58:42,018 --> 00:58:44,437
‪他跟我要墨鏡，我就送給他

1070
00:58:44,521 --> 00:58:48,650
‪可是警衛說曼森跟大家吹噓
‪這是他跟我偷的

1071
00:58:48,733 --> 00:58:51,110
‪他寧願關禁閉也要打腫臉充胖子

1072
00:58:51,194 --> 00:58:53,488
‪一方面是嗑藥過頭的孩子

1073
00:58:53,905 --> 00:58:58,201
‪另一方面是擅長操弄人心的前科犯

1074
00:58:59,327 --> 00:59:01,704
‪妳還強辯曼森是被迫的？

1075
00:59:02,205 --> 00:59:05,166
‪泰克斯已經詳細說明洗腦過程

1076
00:59:05,250 --> 00:59:06,626
‪他並沒有說

1077
00:59:06,709 --> 00:59:08,503
‪如果不認識曼森就不會殺人

1078
00:59:08,586 --> 00:59:09,796
‪曼森找到適合的人

1079
00:59:09,879 --> 00:59:11,673
‪年輕、順從、孤獨

1080
00:59:11,756 --> 00:59:13,883
‪但重點是這些人有未開發的潛力

1081
00:59:13,967 --> 00:59:16,302
‪這些人認為自己是邊緣人

1082
00:59:16,386 --> 00:59:19,013
‪除去他們的恐懼就能犯下滔天大罪

1083
00:59:19,597 --> 00:59:21,140
‪他只是幫他們成就自己

1084
00:59:29,732 --> 00:59:30,775
‪護送我進去吧

1085
00:59:31,526 --> 00:59:32,527
‪南茜不來？

1086
00:59:33,069 --> 00:59:35,238
‪不想再拖她去應酬

1087
00:59:35,780 --> 00:59:36,990
‪-妳呢？
‪-一樣

1088
00:59:38,074 --> 00:59:40,785
‪你覺得這個場子會有多恐怖？

1089
00:59:41,578 --> 00:59:44,122
‪從房子外觀看來，至少酒會很高級

1090
00:59:47,625 --> 00:59:48,585
‪歡迎光臨

1091
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:49,877
‪請進

1092
00:59:51,504 --> 00:59:52,880
‪大夥兒都在客廳

1093
00:59:52,964 --> 00:59:54,257
‪魏曼助理局長已經到了

1094
00:59:54,674 --> 00:59:57,844
‪我一直在幫他暖身
‪重頭戲當然留給你

1095
00:59:58,595 --> 01:00:01,556
‪別忘了，他們要聽精彩的實戰故事

1096
01:00:01,639 --> 01:00:02,807
‪我這邊可多了

1097
01:00:03,975 --> 01:00:06,019
‪比爾，你先去吧，我隨後就到

1098
01:00:08,396 --> 01:00:09,230
‪謝謝

1099
01:00:09,314 --> 01:00:12,650
‪妳當初可能沒想到
‪要幫聯邦調查局做宣傳

1100
01:00:12,734 --> 01:00:14,402
‪沒關係，波士頓大學常這樣

1101
01:00:14,485 --> 01:00:15,987
‪謝謝妳

1102
01:00:16,070 --> 01:00:18,072
‪我希望妳能好好玩

1103
01:00:19,032 --> 01:00:21,784
‪說到這個，我幫妳介紹一個人，華倫

1104
01:00:23,870 --> 01:00:25,413
‪這位是溫蒂卡爾博士

1105
01:00:27,498 --> 01:00:28,916
‪幸會，卡爾博士

1106
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:30,835
‪他是執法協助管理局的聯絡官

1107
01:00:30,918 --> 01:00:33,296
‪所以基本上負責管我們的荷包

1108
01:00:33,379 --> 01:00:36,507
‪好消息是我很迷貴單位
‪所以不必拍我馬屁

1109
01:00:37,050 --> 01:00:38,217
‪鬆了一口氣

1110
01:00:38,551 --> 01:00:40,470
‪我幫妳叫杯酒，妳喝什麼？

1111
01:00:40,553 --> 01:00:42,263
‪一杯白酒，謝謝

1112
01:00:44,015 --> 01:00:45,892
‪你真的有看我們的報告？

1113
01:00:46,309 --> 01:00:49,854
‪報告內容
‪比預算委員會的紀錄有趣多了

1114
01:00:50,438 --> 01:00:51,481
‪你的標準也太低

1115
01:00:51,814 --> 01:00:54,108
‪我真的有看過，卡…

1116
01:00:54,901 --> 01:00:56,611
‪-可以叫妳溫蒂嗎？
‪-當然可以

1117
01:00:56,944 --> 01:00:57,945
‪我看過逐字稿

1118
01:00:58,029 --> 01:01:00,365
‪看過分析報告，太有趣了

1119
01:01:00,448 --> 01:01:01,699
‪而且真的非常獨特

1120
01:01:01,783 --> 01:01:04,786
‪長官一開始禁止
‪我們把“獨特”觀點外流

1121
01:01:04,869 --> 01:01:06,329
‪妳一定覺得衝擊很大

1122
01:01:06,412 --> 01:01:09,165
‪本來在充滿陽光的學術殿堂

1123
01:01:09,248 --> 01:01:11,042
‪現在是一堆調查員的地下碉堡

1124
01:01:11,125 --> 01:01:13,461
‪只有這裡能讓我做現在的工作

1125
01:01:13,544 --> 01:01:15,546
‪我聽過“卡爾博士”

1126
01:01:15,630 --> 01:01:19,258
‪評論艾德肯培的分屍幻想
‪但妳和我想像中完全不同

1127
01:01:19,342 --> 01:01:21,302
‪真不敢問你對我的想像是什麼

1128
01:01:21,844 --> 01:01:24,722
‪身材沒那麼苗條

1129
01:01:26,057 --> 01:01:27,225
‪衣服比較古板

1130
01:01:31,270 --> 01:01:33,564
‪喬治，這位是特別調查員比爾坦區

1131
01:01:33,940 --> 01:01:35,900
‪行為科學組創辦人

1132
01:01:36,484 --> 01:01:39,195
‪我跟喬治說我只懂無聊的行政事務

1133
01:01:39,278 --> 01:01:42,323
‪你才是跟連環殺手共處一室的人

1134
01:01:42,407 --> 01:01:43,408
‪正是在下，長官

1135
01:01:43,491 --> 01:01:46,494
‪太厲害了，泰德說這些人
‪不上手銬，真的嗎？

1136
01:01:46,577 --> 01:01:49,247
‪要讓對方覺得
‪我們真心想聽他們的說詞

1137
01:01:49,664 --> 01:01:51,833
‪比爾讓理查史派克

1138
01:01:51,916 --> 01:01:55,628
‪伯克維茲甚至曼森說出實話
‪別人都辦不到

1139
01:01:56,045 --> 01:01:59,507
‪我們訪問伯克維茲時
‪原本以為會聽到老套的惡魔

1140
01:01:59,590 --> 01:02:00,508
‪會叫的狗說詞

1141
01:02:01,050 --> 01:02:03,720
‪這種瘋子怎麼能讓我們學到東西？

1142
01:02:03,803 --> 01:02:06,347
‪結果我們讓他承認魔鬼這檔子事

1143
01:02:06,431 --> 01:02:07,557
‪全是捏造的

1144
01:02:08,057 --> 01:02:09,934
‪-他自己說的？
‪-完全是鬼扯

1145
01:02:10,518 --> 01:02:13,187
‪而且他說心理醫生最好騙

1146
01:02:15,273 --> 01:02:18,609
‪可是躲在地下室或打字機後面

1147
01:02:18,693 --> 01:02:19,986
‪有什麼好享受的？

1148
01:02:20,069 --> 01:02:21,529
‪我不覺得這些工作算“躲”

1149
01:02:22,155 --> 01:02:23,406
‪我是說

1150
01:02:24,824 --> 01:02:26,951
‪妳是個艷光四射的人

1151
01:02:27,368 --> 01:02:30,621
‪卻把精力花在這麼孤獨的工作上

1152
01:02:30,705 --> 01:02:32,123
‪妳恐怕完全不知道自己…

1153
01:02:33,750 --> 01:02:34,876
‪對別人的影響力

1154
01:02:39,338 --> 01:02:40,256
‪我們幹嘛在這裡？

1155
01:02:41,132 --> 01:02:42,842
‪每份工作都要搞政治

1156
01:02:42,925 --> 01:02:43,885
‪我是說

1157
01:02:43,968 --> 01:02:45,887
‪我們可以一起去別的地方

1158
01:02:47,764 --> 01:02:48,765
‪我想跟妳獨處

1159
01:02:50,266 --> 01:02:53,519
‪華倫，不用了，謝謝

1160
01:02:53,603 --> 01:02:55,980
‪-我們可以好好享樂
‪-霍頓

1161
01:02:57,648 --> 01:03:00,193
‪這位是特別調查員霍頓福特

1162
01:03:00,443 --> 01:03:02,069
‪也是行為科學組的人

1163
01:03:02,153 --> 01:03:03,154
‪這位是華倫…

1164
01:03:03,237 --> 01:03:05,323
‪佛利曼，執法聯絡官

1165
01:03:06,699 --> 01:03:09,869
‪你在找吧台嗎？我想續杯

1166
01:03:09,952 --> 01:03:12,121
‪但是我想先去洗手間

1167
01:03:12,205 --> 01:03:14,749
‪我幫妳拿酒，等一下繼續聊

1168
01:03:21,005 --> 01:03:21,881
‪在那邊

1169
01:03:21,964 --> 01:03:22,799
‪謝謝

1170
01:03:25,551 --> 01:03:29,472
‪警衛說他吹噓自己偷了調查員的墨鏡

1171
01:03:31,057 --> 01:03:32,517
‪結果把他丟去關禁閉

1172
01:03:33,017 --> 01:03:35,353
‪而不說墨鏡是禮物…他來了

1173
01:03:35,937 --> 01:03:37,855
‪他寧願關一個半月的禁閉

1174
01:03:37,939 --> 01:03:39,649
‪只為了讓自己看起來夠屌

1175
01:03:41,234 --> 01:03:43,361
‪這位是特別調查員福特

1176
01:03:43,444 --> 01:03:46,489
‪他在這個領域創立很多技巧

1177
01:03:46,572 --> 01:03:49,575
‪比爾一直在逗我們
‪你一定也有很多精彩故事

1178
01:03:50,409 --> 01:03:52,703
‪我的很多經驗都和比爾一樣

1179
01:03:53,037 --> 01:03:54,956
‪我就把各位交給福特調查員了

1180
01:03:55,540 --> 01:03:57,124
‪不好意思，我去上一號

1181
01:04:04,966 --> 01:04:07,426
‪查理曼森的故事之所以重要

1182
01:04:07,510 --> 01:04:10,847
‪在於讓我們瞭解
‪什麼樣的衝動能誘發行為

1183
01:04:11,889 --> 01:04:13,641
‪他想要看似大權在握

1184
01:04:13,724 --> 01:04:16,853
‪追根究底，他犯的罪都來自這種需求

1185
01:04:17,353 --> 01:04:20,439
‪把心理特徵和已知行為連在一起後

1186
01:04:20,523 --> 01:04:24,193
‪我們就能瞭解犯罪行為的基礎

1187
01:04:45,965 --> 01:04:48,050
‪妳是怎麼逃離現場的？

1188
01:04:50,261 --> 01:04:52,388
‪躲在大嫂團裡面是作弊行為

1189
01:04:54,515 --> 01:04:55,641
‪華倫佛利曼

1190
01:04:56,726 --> 01:04:57,643
‪你認識他？

1191
01:04:57,727 --> 01:04:58,603
‪認識

1192
01:04:59,437 --> 01:05:02,481
‪在秘書圈和大嫂團很吃得開

1193
01:05:03,065 --> 01:05:04,150
‪怎麼閃開的？

1194
01:05:04,233 --> 01:05:06,402
‪一看到有人經過就抓來當擋箭牌

1195
01:05:06,861 --> 01:05:08,195
‪結果是霍頓

1196
01:05:09,572 --> 01:05:10,615
‪這麼嚴重？

1197
01:05:10,698 --> 01:05:11,866
‪我早該知道的

1198
01:05:13,242 --> 01:05:14,452
‪你講的故事怎麼樣？

1199
01:05:16,829 --> 01:05:19,040
‪我根本就不知道自己在幫什麼忙

1200
01:05:20,124 --> 01:05:21,250
‪不是幫自己的工作

1201
01:05:22,084 --> 01:05:24,795
‪我只是在幫別人升官

1202
01:05:25,922 --> 01:05:27,632
‪不過總比…

1203
01:05:30,676 --> 01:05:31,552
‪對不起

1204
01:05:32,887 --> 01:05:34,680
‪我家裡出了點事

1205
01:05:36,057 --> 01:05:36,891
‪你還好吧？

1206
01:05:41,687 --> 01:05:45,608
‪布萊恩跟幾個比較大的男生
‪和一個幼童玩

1207
01:05:46,651 --> 01:05:47,944
‪結果玩過火…

1208
01:05:49,779 --> 01:05:52,698
‪大一點的男生不小心悶死幼童

1209
01:05:53,366 --> 01:05:54,450
‪天啊

1210
01:05:55,409 --> 01:05:56,661
‪布萊恩全程目睹

1211
01:05:59,789 --> 01:06:01,540
‪他一定還記得聖經的故事

1212
01:06:01,624 --> 01:06:06,754
‪因為他說服其他男生
‪把屍體綁到十字架上

1213
01:06:08,089 --> 01:06:10,216
‪幸好他沒被起訴

1214
01:06:10,967 --> 01:06:11,842
‪但是他…

1215
01:06:13,386 --> 01:06:16,681
‪我們必須走完法院規定的程序

1216
01:06:16,764 --> 01:06:18,391
‪布萊恩有輔導員嗎？

1217
01:06:18,474 --> 01:06:21,143
‪我們有一個精神科醫師和一個社工

1218
01:06:21,686 --> 01:06:23,229
‪我們必須達成一些要求

1219
01:06:24,105 --> 01:06:25,064
‪南茜怎麼樣？

1220
01:06:25,439 --> 01:06:28,567
‪她不瞭解布萊恩可能需要協助

1221
01:06:29,402 --> 01:06:32,029
‪但她同時又緊盯著布萊恩
‪一刻也不放過

1222
01:06:32,113 --> 01:06:34,115
‪所以她今晚才沒來

1223
01:06:34,198 --> 01:06:36,117
‪事發後我們都沒離開家過

1224
01:06:36,534 --> 01:06:39,036
‪你要慢慢來，這件事很嚴重

1225
01:06:40,997 --> 01:06:43,416
‪真的，比爾，有事儘管跟我說

1226
01:06:44,375 --> 01:06:46,127
‪我要請妳守住這個秘密

1227
01:06:49,130 --> 01:06:50,256
‪霍頓不知道

1228
01:06:53,759 --> 01:06:54,719
‪我瞭解

1229
01:06:59,265 --> 01:07:00,933
‪他們看起來要煩死了

1230
01:07:01,308 --> 01:07:02,601
‪我們該回去了

1231
01:07:03,811 --> 01:07:05,146
‪解救眾生

1232
01:07:11,610 --> 01:07:13,612
‪比爾，其實我想落跑了

1233
01:07:13,696 --> 01:07:14,739
‪我不怪妳

1234
01:07:17,950 --> 01:07:18,784
‪溫蒂

1235
01:07:19,952 --> 01:07:21,829
‪希望我沒把妳嚇跑

1236
01:07:21,912 --> 01:07:24,665
‪我想聊完那件事
‪也許能到靜一點的地方

1237
01:07:24,749 --> 01:07:26,917
‪謝謝，但我真的不太舒服

1238
01:07:27,001 --> 01:07:29,003
‪我可以載妳回家

1239
01:07:29,628 --> 01:07:31,630
‪-請賞臉
‪-我開車沒問題

1240
01:07:31,922 --> 01:07:33,841
‪至少讓我送妳出去

1241
01:07:33,924 --> 01:07:36,844
‪不了，華倫，我自己出去，不必相送

1242
01:07:45,144 --> 01:07:47,813
‪魏曼邀你在年度主管研討會發表演說

1243
01:07:48,439 --> 01:07:49,607
‪我代你接受了

1244
01:07:51,817 --> 01:07:54,820
‪那個鄉村俱樂部很棒
‪可以打飛靶，小白球

1245
01:07:54,904 --> 01:07:55,863
‪沒老婆嘮叨

1246
01:07:57,073 --> 01:07:58,991
‪而且可以認識局長

1247
01:07:59,283 --> 01:08:00,785
‪這就是今晚的目的嗎？

1248
01:08:04,330 --> 01:08:06,207
‪小姐，請給他一杯酒

1249
01:08:06,290 --> 01:08:07,291
‪他是大功臣

1250
01:08:13,172 --> 01:08:15,132
‪你可以讓霍頓放鬆一點嗎？

1251
01:08:16,050 --> 01:08:17,301
‪嫌犯人生中的事

1252
01:08:17,802 --> 01:08:20,471
‪我們發現破碎家庭
‪和失能家庭比例很高…

1253
01:08:20,554 --> 01:08:22,598
‪他有提到理查史派克嗎？

1254
01:08:22,681 --> 01:08:23,682
‪沒有

1255
01:08:23,766 --> 01:08:24,975
‪理查史派克進來時…

1256
01:08:25,351 --> 01:08:29,105
‪我們看到他的手裡有東西

1257
01:08:52,378 --> 01:08:53,838
‪-喂
‪-喂，霍頓

1258
01:08:53,921 --> 01:08:54,964
‪亞特蘭大有消息了

1259
01:08:55,214 --> 01:08:56,632
‪吉姆，說吧

1260
01:08:56,715 --> 01:08:58,634
‪又一具屍體，同樣是勒斃

1261
01:08:59,135 --> 01:09:00,136
‪幾歲？

1262
01:09:00,219 --> 01:09:01,053
‪12歲

1263
01:09:01,345 --> 01:09:02,471
‪克利佛瓊斯

1264
01:09:02,847 --> 01:09:05,558
‪他在收集廢罐頭
‪想換錢讓阿姨能洗衣服

1265
01:09:05,641 --> 01:09:06,559
‪一樣是光天化日

1266
01:09:07,810 --> 01:09:09,019
‪這是第13號

1267
01:09:11,355 --> 01:09:16,777
‪（你每天晚上睡覺時
‪我就在摧毀世界，查理曼森）

1268
01:11:13,269 --> 01:11:15,271
‪字幕翻譯：溫鳳祺