1 00:00:06,006 --> 00:00:07,882 WOMAN ON TV: How ya doin', Bobby Taylor? 2 00:00:09,050 --> 00:00:12,887 If I ever turned you down seven times for lewd proposals, 3 00:00:12,971 --> 00:00:14,723 I haven't turned you down once. 4 00:00:14,931 --> 00:00:16,117 - MAN: Well... - If I were you, Holly, 5 00:00:16,141 --> 00:00:19,644 I'd have taken this man in and had him neutered! [CHUCKLES] 6 00:00:21,062 --> 00:00:22,439 Oh, and, Holly, honey... 7 00:00:22,522 --> 00:00:23,773 - Night. - Thank you. 8 00:00:23,857 --> 00:00:26,537 WOMAN ON TV: Or Max's Liquor Store is gonna come and take your home 9 00:00:26,568 --> 00:00:27,568 for the booze bill. 10 00:00:28,528 --> 00:00:30,947 And Mr. Kirby Baker, 11 00:00:31,281 --> 00:00:33,491 our fine real estate executive. 12 00:00:34,659 --> 00:00:35,785 Baker Realty. 13 00:00:36,995 --> 00:00:37,995 Honesty. 14 00:00:38,329 --> 00:00:40,999 Honesty since 1938. 15 00:00:43,710 --> 00:00:44,836 Your secretary, 16 00:00:44,919 --> 00:00:46,629 poor little Gladys Wilmett, 17 00:00:47,088 --> 00:00:48,882 she had to leave town awful sudden. 18 00:00:48,965 --> 00:00:50,050 [DOOR CREAKS, CLOSES] 19 00:00:50,133 --> 00:00:52,927 WOMAN ON TV: Had to see a special kind of doctor in Cincinnati. 20 00:00:53,553 --> 00:00:54,553 [OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING] 21 00:00:54,596 --> 00:00:57,474 I know, I know the nights are just so warm 22 00:00:57,557 --> 00:01:00,685 that poor Willie May just had to leave her shades open an inch. 23 00:01:01,061 --> 00:01:03,396 [WOMAN CONTINUES SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY ON TV] 24 00:01:04,898 --> 00:01:07,567 [THEME MUSIC PLAYING] 25 00:02:39,075 --> 00:02:42,871 [PLANE ENGINE ROARS] 26 00:02:44,455 --> 00:02:46,875 [INDISTINCT CHATTER] 27 00:02:50,378 --> 00:02:52,088 [WOMAN SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY OVER PA] 28 00:02:56,926 --> 00:02:57,926 Detective Drowatzky? 29 00:02:59,137 --> 00:03:00,137 Bill Tench. 30 00:03:00,388 --> 00:03:04,100 Bernie. [CHUCKLES] My kids say I look like a cop. 31 00:03:04,726 --> 00:03:05,643 Don't we all? 32 00:03:05,727 --> 00:03:07,395 [CHUCKLES SOFTLY] I'm this way. 33 00:03:07,979 --> 00:03:09,659 TENCH: Where do you stand on active leads? 34 00:03:09,731 --> 00:03:11,149 DROWATZKY: Nobody. [SIGHS] 35 00:03:11,232 --> 00:03:12,358 Or everybody. 36 00:03:13,109 --> 00:03:15,695 But every time we get a letter, we get a new detail. 37 00:03:16,237 --> 00:03:18,740 Right now, we're tryin' to trace the Xerox machine he uses 38 00:03:18,823 --> 00:03:23,077 by signature marks on the paper edge and... ink diffusion. 39 00:03:23,161 --> 00:03:24,370 Sophisticated work. 40 00:03:24,787 --> 00:03:28,249 I got 20-year street cops who know more about toner than the copy guy. 41 00:03:29,167 --> 00:03:30,919 Could be us spinning our wheels again. 42 00:03:31,002 --> 00:03:33,046 When we get to the station, you can see the letters. 43 00:03:33,129 --> 00:03:34,923 Any of the crime scenes accessible? 44 00:03:35,006 --> 00:03:36,841 All of 'em. They're still vacant. 45 00:03:37,091 --> 00:03:39,469 But we've combed through them pretty good over the years. 46 00:03:39,552 --> 00:03:41,846 It really helps to put the photos in context. 47 00:03:42,513 --> 00:03:43,513 If you don't mind. 48 00:03:44,432 --> 00:03:47,310 Might as well start at the beginning. Otero. 49 00:03:49,145 --> 00:03:50,230 Bit of a drive. 50 00:03:50,813 --> 00:03:52,732 I hope you don't mind a little Willie Nelson. 51 00:03:53,524 --> 00:03:54,567 TENCH: Not at all. 52 00:03:55,193 --> 00:04:00,865 [OVER CAR STEREO] ♪ Angel flyin' too close ♪ 53 00:04:01,032 --> 00:04:04,410 ♪ To the ground ♪ 54 00:04:09,540 --> 00:04:11,876 - [BIRDS CHIRPING] - [DOG BARKING IN DISTANCE] 55 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:13,544 803 North Edgemoor. 56 00:04:14,379 --> 00:04:15,546 The Otero house. 57 00:04:16,756 --> 00:04:20,551 January 1974. They'd just moved in two months prior. 58 00:04:22,303 --> 00:04:23,471 It was a school day. 59 00:04:23,554 --> 00:04:25,274 Neighbors were comin' and goin' all morning. 60 00:04:26,557 --> 00:04:29,727 One of 'em even saw BTK drive off in the family car afterwards. 61 00:04:35,650 --> 00:04:36,985 Women around here come home, 62 00:04:37,068 --> 00:04:39,237 first thing they do is check the phone still works... 63 00:04:39,904 --> 00:04:41,030 five years later. 64 00:04:41,823 --> 00:04:42,991 [DOG BARKING IN DISTANCE] 65 00:04:48,746 --> 00:04:50,331 [DOOR CREAKS] 66 00:04:56,504 --> 00:05:00,466 We think he came in here. The two kids making their lunches. 67 00:05:00,550 --> 00:05:02,343 The older three had already gone to school. 68 00:05:04,971 --> 00:05:06,764 They had five kids in this house? 69 00:05:07,265 --> 00:05:08,474 Retired military. 70 00:05:08,850 --> 00:05:10,101 Used to base housing. 71 00:05:14,856 --> 00:05:17,984 No forced entry. The dog was in the yard when we got here. 72 00:05:18,067 --> 00:05:21,612 It makes no sense to come into a house with an adult male and a dog. 73 00:05:21,696 --> 00:05:22,697 Nothing makes sense. 74 00:05:23,114 --> 00:05:24,991 He took the money out of Mr. Otero's wallet, 75 00:05:25,074 --> 00:05:28,161 emptied her purse, and stole Mr. Otero's aviator's watch. 76 00:05:28,244 --> 00:05:31,748 - But clearly, robbery was not his motive. - And the driver's licenses were missing. 77 00:05:31,831 --> 00:05:33,791 - Yeah. - TENCH: He was taking souvenirs. 78 00:05:35,168 --> 00:05:37,920 And he already knew what he wanted on his very first kill. 79 00:05:51,934 --> 00:05:53,269 [SIGHS] 80 00:05:54,729 --> 00:05:57,815 So the dad would've been about here, tied to the foot of the bed. 81 00:05:58,024 --> 00:06:01,069 Police report said he was suffocated with a plastic bag and a T-shirt? 82 00:06:01,152 --> 00:06:02,504 DROWATZKY: Later, we found there was a hole in it. 83 00:06:02,528 --> 00:06:04,781 Mr. Otero managed to rip it with his teeth. 84 00:06:05,156 --> 00:06:06,908 The killer took the plastic bag off, 85 00:06:06,991 --> 00:06:09,577 put the T-shirt on over his head so he couldn't tear it again, 86 00:06:09,660 --> 00:06:11,579 and then put the bag back on. 87 00:06:12,413 --> 00:06:13,539 Agonizing. 88 00:06:15,666 --> 00:06:17,210 And Mrs. Otero was on the bed. 89 00:06:18,836 --> 00:06:20,463 She had double ligature marks. 90 00:06:20,546 --> 00:06:22,733 DROWATZKY: Must have come to, so he had to do it again. 91 00:06:22,757 --> 00:06:25,343 We think that since it was his first try, he botched it. 92 00:06:26,260 --> 00:06:27,970 The kids must've been in here. 93 00:06:30,431 --> 00:06:33,267 They had to have seen everything. [TAKES A DEEP BREATH] 94 00:06:43,736 --> 00:06:45,696 We found the youngest boy on the floor, 95 00:06:46,155 --> 00:06:47,323 suffocated. 96 00:06:47,407 --> 00:06:49,200 TENCH: Two T-shirts and a bag. 97 00:06:49,450 --> 00:06:52,203 So, the killer learned, took no chances. 98 00:06:52,745 --> 00:06:55,915 He would've brought the little girl in here too. Couldn't leave her alone. 99 00:06:55,998 --> 00:06:59,043 There was a chair here with deep carpet indentations. 100 00:06:59,127 --> 00:07:01,796 - We think he sat to watch the boy die. - [EXHALES] 101 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:03,840 That would have taken...? 102 00:07:03,923 --> 00:07:05,383 Between four and six minutes. 103 00:07:11,889 --> 00:07:13,516 - [TENCH SIGHS] - [DOOR CREAKS] 104 00:07:21,315 --> 00:07:23,395 DROWATZKY: My partner and I were first on the scene. 105 00:07:23,776 --> 00:07:25,445 It was completely dark down here. 106 00:07:26,446 --> 00:07:29,073 He was feeling for a light when something bumped him. 107 00:07:30,616 --> 00:07:32,577 That's when we found the little girl... 108 00:07:33,035 --> 00:07:34,203 hanging from this pipe. 109 00:07:43,296 --> 00:07:44,714 [SIGHS] Oh, Jesus. 110 00:07:47,383 --> 00:07:49,302 [INDISTINCT CHATTER] 111 00:07:49,385 --> 00:07:52,345 - ["I LOVE A RAINY NIGHT" PLAYING] - What happened to the older Otero kids? 112 00:07:52,388 --> 00:07:53,723 Any chance I could talk to them? 113 00:07:53,806 --> 00:07:55,826 DROWATZKY: Relatives in Albuquerque came and got 'em. 114 00:07:55,850 --> 00:07:57,727 They won't let the kids relive any part of it. 115 00:07:57,810 --> 00:07:59,121 They were the ones who found the bodies. 116 00:07:59,145 --> 00:08:00,354 [SCOFFS] Cut the ropes 117 00:08:00,438 --> 00:08:02,238 from their parents' necks, tryin' to save 'em. 118 00:08:02,565 --> 00:08:04,525 - [EXHALES] - DROWATZKY: They call now and again. 119 00:08:05,193 --> 00:08:07,403 Five years later... [SCOFFS, SIGHS] 120 00:08:07,487 --> 00:08:08,571 I got nothin'. 121 00:08:09,030 --> 00:08:10,740 ♪ I love a rainy night... ♪ 122 00:08:10,865 --> 00:08:12,509 DROWATZKY: We kept thinkin' we'd catch him... 123 00:08:12,533 --> 00:08:13,576 just around the corner. 124 00:08:13,659 --> 00:08:16,245 That first week after Otero, not one of us went home. 125 00:08:16,412 --> 00:08:18,831 We turned over every parolee, every sex offender. 126 00:08:18,915 --> 00:08:20,809 My partner and I even stayed over the first three nights. 127 00:08:20,833 --> 00:08:21,667 In the house? 128 00:08:21,751 --> 00:08:23,061 DROWATZKY: Hoping the killer would come back. 129 00:08:23,085 --> 00:08:24,313 - See anything? - DROWATZKY: Nothin'. 130 00:08:24,337 --> 00:08:26,380 A month later, we stayed the night in there again. 131 00:08:26,923 --> 00:08:27,798 With a psychic. 132 00:08:27,882 --> 00:08:31,427 [CHUCKLES] You consulted Uri Geller before the FBI? 133 00:08:31,511 --> 00:08:33,679 [DROWATZKY LAUGHS] We were graspin' at anything. 134 00:08:33,804 --> 00:08:35,681 That poor guy got so freaked out. 135 00:08:35,765 --> 00:08:38,125 - He was gone the second the sun came up. - [TENCH CHUCKLES] 136 00:08:39,143 --> 00:08:40,353 DROWATZKY: So, is that true? 137 00:08:40,436 --> 00:08:42,276 Do these guys return to the scene of the crime? 138 00:08:42,313 --> 00:08:43,749 We were just going on what we'd always heard. 139 00:08:43,773 --> 00:08:44,857 Old detective stories. 140 00:08:44,941 --> 00:08:46,776 The psychopath feels guilty or somethin'. 141 00:08:46,859 --> 00:08:48,611 Ed Kemper, the Coed Killer... 142 00:08:48,945 --> 00:08:49,945 DROWATZKY: Yeah? 143 00:08:49,987 --> 00:08:54,116 [INHALES SHARPLY] He told us he went back. But not out of anything like guilt. 144 00:08:54,534 --> 00:08:56,410 - [SCOFFS] - TENCH: He considered those places 145 00:08:56,494 --> 00:08:57,537 somehow sacred, 146 00:08:57,620 --> 00:08:59,038 if you can imagine that. 147 00:08:59,121 --> 00:09:02,001 Truthfully, we haven't been asking that question, but we probably should. 148 00:09:03,125 --> 00:09:05,795 Tell me about his letters. They were all sent to the press? 149 00:09:05,878 --> 00:09:07,147 DROWATZKY: Cops actually got spooked. 150 00:09:07,171 --> 00:09:09,131 We wondered: did he know who was workin' the case? 151 00:09:09,173 --> 00:09:10,925 Would he come after us? Our wives? 152 00:09:11,008 --> 00:09:13,511 I had this one sergeant. Ten-year guy, tough. 153 00:09:13,594 --> 00:09:15,346 Slept on his sofa with a shotgun for a year. 154 00:09:16,097 --> 00:09:18,099 Finally, he and his wife relocated. 155 00:09:18,182 --> 00:09:20,494 We've lost a lot of the original task force over the years. 156 00:09:20,518 --> 00:09:22,061 - TENCH: I bet. - It's hard on guys. 157 00:09:22,478 --> 00:09:24,730 What about the lady he missed? Could I speak with her? 158 00:09:24,814 --> 00:09:27,483 DROWATZKY: Anna? [SCOFFS] She moved the next day. 159 00:09:27,858 --> 00:09:29,068 Left everything behind. 160 00:09:29,151 --> 00:09:31,271 - Furniture, everything. - He's clearing out the town. 161 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,447 He's got the whole city twitchin' like prey. 162 00:09:34,115 --> 00:09:35,115 Kathy Bright's brother, 163 00:09:35,157 --> 00:09:36,843 - he's still around. - DROWATZKY: He's around. 164 00:09:36,867 --> 00:09:39,495 We think that's why BTK never named her as a victim. 165 00:09:39,745 --> 00:09:40,788 He knew he left a witness. 166 00:09:40,871 --> 00:09:43,311 If he hadn't claimed seven, we would never have connected her. 167 00:09:43,374 --> 00:09:45,668 MO's wrong. She was stabbed, Kevin was shot. 168 00:09:46,085 --> 00:09:48,325 But the son of a bitch wants credit for every single one. 169 00:09:48,504 --> 00:09:49,922 I'd like to talk to Kevin. 170 00:09:50,006 --> 00:09:52,800 [SIGHS] He took three bullets in the face. 171 00:09:52,883 --> 00:09:55,803 - Spent a year in the hospital. - Is he... reliable? 172 00:09:57,805 --> 00:10:00,158 - DROWATZKY: He's all we got. - ♪ Yeah, I love a rainy night ♪ 173 00:10:00,182 --> 00:10:01,809 [DROWATZKY SLURPS, GULPS] 174 00:10:02,476 --> 00:10:06,105 You know, I've done undercover drug deals with less skullduggery than this. 175 00:10:06,188 --> 00:10:08,316 He doesn't wanna be seen talkin' to cops. 176 00:10:09,150 --> 00:10:12,194 The safer he feels, the longer he'll stay. [SIGHS] 177 00:10:12,403 --> 00:10:15,406 Kevin has good days and bad days. I'm hopin' this one's good. 178 00:10:15,489 --> 00:10:16,729 - TENCH: That loaded? - Always. 179 00:10:18,284 --> 00:10:20,244 Don't worry, Kevin wouldn't hurt a fly. 180 00:10:20,953 --> 00:10:22,753 - TENCH: Jesus improve your aim? - [CHUCKLES] 181 00:10:23,873 --> 00:10:26,375 I'm a woodworker. If I'm pullin' a shotgun, 182 00:10:26,459 --> 00:10:28,854 it's 'cause I'm in a situation where aiming is not an option. 183 00:10:28,878 --> 00:10:31,172 At that point, I'll take all the help I can get. 184 00:10:31,881 --> 00:10:33,801 - TENCH: This our guy? - DROWATZKY: That's him. 185 00:10:34,091 --> 00:10:35,968 Can't be a buck-forty soppin' wet. 186 00:10:36,052 --> 00:10:38,638 He's lost a lot of weight. Nerve damage from the shooting. 187 00:10:38,721 --> 00:10:39,972 Remember to face forward. 188 00:10:43,142 --> 00:10:44,602 Hey, Kevin. How you doing? 189 00:10:44,685 --> 00:10:47,229 KEVIN: Could you, uh, please turn the mirror? 190 00:10:47,980 --> 00:10:49,148 [MIRROR SQUEAKS] 191 00:10:50,149 --> 00:10:52,735 KEVIN: I'm, uh... doin' all right... 192 00:10:53,861 --> 00:10:54,861 I guess. 193 00:10:55,529 --> 00:10:58,741 This is Agent Tench. I'm gonna let him ask his questions. 194 00:10:58,824 --> 00:11:00,701 I don't know what else I can tell you. 195 00:11:00,785 --> 00:11:02,244 Thank you for coming, Kevin. 196 00:11:03,079 --> 00:11:05,373 What I'd like to do is ask you some questions, 197 00:11:05,456 --> 00:11:08,376 some of which you've heard before. Some may be new. 198 00:11:08,459 --> 00:11:09,502 I'll listen to your story, 199 00:11:09,585 --> 00:11:11,921 but I'm gonna focus on the suspect's behavior. 200 00:11:12,296 --> 00:11:14,507 I'm gonna ask you to go into a lot of detail. 201 00:11:14,674 --> 00:11:16,801 - Everything is important. - [KEVIN SIGHS] 202 00:11:16,884 --> 00:11:19,720 - [TRAIN WHISTLE BLOWS] - [RAILROAD CROSSING BELL RINGING] 203 00:11:19,804 --> 00:11:20,804 All right. 204 00:11:22,098 --> 00:11:24,975 On that Thursday, your sister left her car in the driveway, 205 00:11:25,059 --> 00:11:26,059 is that right? 206 00:11:26,394 --> 00:11:29,146 We were in Dad's truck. I was bringin' her home. 207 00:11:29,980 --> 00:11:31,232 As you approached the house, 208 00:11:31,315 --> 00:11:33,609 did you notice anything different or strange? 209 00:11:33,693 --> 00:11:35,277 [SIGHS] No, sir. 210 00:11:35,903 --> 00:11:38,906 Kathy and me were just LAUGHING, talkin' when we walked in. 211 00:11:40,574 --> 00:11:41,575 Then he came out. 212 00:11:42,368 --> 00:11:43,577 Was he aggressive? 213 00:11:43,911 --> 00:11:45,705 Did he seem angry? Jumpy? 214 00:11:45,788 --> 00:11:48,499 [KEVIN SIGHS] Just... real matter-of-fact. 215 00:11:48,833 --> 00:11:52,002 But... like he could be mean underneath. 216 00:11:52,086 --> 00:11:55,339 What do you remember of his clothes, how he was dressed? 217 00:11:55,548 --> 00:11:58,259 [KEVIN SIGHS] I... gave a description. 218 00:11:59,009 --> 00:12:01,679 Black... golf gloves, green jacket. 219 00:12:01,762 --> 00:12:03,264 But how did they seem to you? 220 00:12:03,889 --> 00:12:05,766 Clean, dirty, cheap? 221 00:12:06,892 --> 00:12:10,688 [EXHALES] Didn't seem cheap. 222 00:12:11,689 --> 00:12:12,940 The jacket was bulky. 223 00:12:13,315 --> 00:12:14,315 Nice. 224 00:12:15,943 --> 00:12:17,278 Everything was clean. 225 00:12:17,361 --> 00:12:18,404 A lot of pockets. 226 00:12:18,988 --> 00:12:20,322 Did he say anything else? 227 00:12:21,031 --> 00:12:22,992 KEVIN: He said he was a wanted man. 228 00:12:23,576 --> 00:12:24,577 He said, 229 00:12:24,660 --> 00:12:27,913 [IMITATING BTK] "I'm wanted in California, and I need to get to New York." 230 00:12:27,997 --> 00:12:29,165 Were you afraid, 231 00:12:29,248 --> 00:12:31,500 or did you think he was telling you the truth? 232 00:12:31,751 --> 00:12:33,991 [KEVIN, IN NORMAL VOICE] I figured it was just a robbery. 233 00:12:34,170 --> 00:12:35,504 I gave him the truck keys. 234 00:12:36,547 --> 00:12:38,716 I thought he had what he wanted, so he'd go. 235 00:12:39,925 --> 00:12:40,968 But he didn't. 236 00:12:42,094 --> 00:12:43,846 Did he force you to tie Kathy up? 237 00:12:43,929 --> 00:12:45,556 KEVIN: Didn't... force. 238 00:12:46,140 --> 00:12:47,933 - Just told me. - Told you how? 239 00:12:48,184 --> 00:12:50,436 [KEVIN SIGHS] Real simple. 240 00:12:50,895 --> 00:12:53,230 He made everything sound... reasonable. 241 00:12:53,522 --> 00:12:56,275 Like if we just did this, he was gonna leave. 242 00:12:56,817 --> 00:12:58,944 Where did he get the cord he tied you with? 243 00:12:59,236 --> 00:13:00,654 KEVIN: From his pockets. 244 00:13:01,113 --> 00:13:02,239 [TRAIN WHISTLE BLOWS] 245 00:13:02,323 --> 00:13:04,116 I tied Kathy pretty loose. 246 00:13:05,576 --> 00:13:09,455 He made me lie down, and he tied my hands behind my back. 247 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:11,457 He tied my feet to the bed. 248 00:13:11,540 --> 00:13:13,542 TENCH: And what was he like when he tied you? 249 00:13:13,626 --> 00:13:16,545 Was he... nervous, flustered? 250 00:13:16,629 --> 00:13:18,339 KEVIN: Uh... not at all. 251 00:13:18,672 --> 00:13:20,174 I watched him tie my feet. 252 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,009 He was fast with knots. 253 00:13:22,092 --> 00:13:24,303 - Like he'd done it before. - KEVIN: Mm-hmm. 254 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,514 Was he rough? Angry? 255 00:13:26,972 --> 00:13:28,182 Did he tie you tight? 256 00:13:29,183 --> 00:13:32,353 KEVIN: He was almost... gentle. 257 00:13:32,436 --> 00:13:33,437 Gentle? 258 00:13:33,521 --> 00:13:34,522 KEVIN: It seemed. 259 00:13:34,605 --> 00:13:36,565 [TRAIN RUMBLING ON TRACKS] 260 00:13:36,649 --> 00:13:40,277 KEVIN: He took a pillow from the bed and put it under my head. 261 00:13:40,778 --> 00:13:41,904 That's interesting. 262 00:13:42,321 --> 00:13:44,615 I want to come back to that, but please continue. 263 00:13:44,698 --> 00:13:48,577 - [TRAIN WHISTLE BLOWS] - He took Kathy into the other room. 264 00:13:49,620 --> 00:13:53,207 I... couldn't tell what was going on. 265 00:13:55,334 --> 00:13:57,294 Then I heard noises. 266 00:13:57,378 --> 00:13:58,796 What kind of noises? 267 00:14:01,090 --> 00:14:03,717 Not... moans, 268 00:14:05,052 --> 00:14:07,012 almost little cries. 269 00:14:09,557 --> 00:14:11,475 Then it got real quiet. 270 00:14:14,812 --> 00:14:16,564 And I couldn't hear him anymore. 271 00:14:17,648 --> 00:14:18,649 [SIGHS] 272 00:14:19,692 --> 00:14:23,195 All of a sudden, a radio came on in my room, loud. 273 00:14:23,487 --> 00:14:26,574 And he put something around my neck, and he started pulling. 274 00:14:26,782 --> 00:14:27,950 It was so fast. 275 00:14:28,033 --> 00:14:29,410 What did you do? 276 00:14:29,493 --> 00:14:31,871 KEVIN: I just started kicking and twisting. 277 00:14:32,580 --> 00:14:34,832 I... I knew right then, he was gonna kill me. 278 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,543 When he was strangling you, did he say anything? 279 00:14:38,586 --> 00:14:39,962 KEVIN: Uh... no. 280 00:14:42,548 --> 00:14:44,091 Kevin, this is important. 281 00:14:44,675 --> 00:14:48,429 At any time, when he was tying you up or when he was strangling you, 282 00:14:48,929 --> 00:14:51,473 could you tell if he had an erection? 283 00:14:51,849 --> 00:14:54,935 [KEVIN CHUCKLES SOFTLY] Uh... 284 00:14:55,895 --> 00:14:57,021 I don't know. 285 00:14:57,313 --> 00:14:59,481 I... I couldn't see. 286 00:14:59,565 --> 00:15:00,565 That's all right. 287 00:15:00,983 --> 00:15:01,983 How'd you get away? 288 00:15:02,484 --> 00:15:05,946 KEVIN: I was thrashing around so much, my feet broke loose. 289 00:15:06,196 --> 00:15:08,616 I stood up. I got my hands free. 290 00:15:09,450 --> 00:15:11,911 I saw him go for the gun. [TAKES A DEEP BREATH] 291 00:15:11,994 --> 00:15:13,078 I grabbed at it. 292 00:15:13,537 --> 00:15:14,580 We fought for it. 293 00:15:15,664 --> 00:15:17,750 I got it turned. [BREATHING SHAKILY] 294 00:15:18,792 --> 00:15:23,005 I had it right at his stomach. I... I pulled the trigger twice, 295 00:15:23,088 --> 00:15:24,768 as hard as I could, but it wouldn't go off. 296 00:15:24,798 --> 00:15:26,008 He'd have had the safety on. 297 00:15:26,091 --> 00:15:28,111 KEVIN: Everything would be different if I had only shot him. 298 00:15:28,135 --> 00:15:30,071 TENCH: There's no way you could've gotten the safety off 299 00:15:30,095 --> 00:15:32,222 and shot him with him pulling on the gun. 300 00:15:32,431 --> 00:15:34,141 KEVIN: I guess it slipped out of my hands 301 00:15:34,224 --> 00:15:37,061 'cause he had it, and he pulled the trigger. 302 00:15:37,561 --> 00:15:39,480 First bullet grazed my face. 303 00:15:39,855 --> 00:15:42,858 The second one went in the side of my head. [SNIFFLES] 304 00:15:43,442 --> 00:15:46,362 That's when I... [SIGHS]...hit the floor. 305 00:15:46,695 --> 00:15:48,781 - Did you pass out? - [KEVIN, SOFTLY] Uh-uh. 306 00:15:50,908 --> 00:15:51,909 I never did. 307 00:15:53,494 --> 00:15:55,496 I was awake the whole time. 308 00:15:57,498 --> 00:15:59,124 I decided to play dead. 309 00:15:59,541 --> 00:16:03,087 - TENCH: What did you hear next? - KEVIN: Kathy... moan. 310 00:16:04,588 --> 00:16:06,090 I heard him GRUNTING. 311 00:16:06,799 --> 00:16:09,259 [CRYING] And I was in there playing possum. 312 00:16:09,343 --> 00:16:10,469 It's okay, Kevin. 313 00:16:14,098 --> 00:16:18,102 He must have heard me move because he was on me again. 314 00:16:18,185 --> 00:16:20,789 - [TRAIN RATTLES LOUDLY ON TRACKS] - He shot me. Blew my teeth out. 315 00:16:20,813 --> 00:16:23,816 [SOBS] Then he went back to Kathy. 316 00:16:25,859 --> 00:16:27,736 I... could barely stand. 317 00:16:28,612 --> 00:16:30,739 The radio was so loud. 318 00:16:30,823 --> 00:16:32,366 There was blood everywhere. 319 00:16:32,908 --> 00:16:35,452 I looked around, you know, for something to hit him with, 320 00:16:35,536 --> 00:16:37,329 but I thought... [SNIFFLES] 321 00:16:37,871 --> 00:16:41,291 ...the best chance was to get help. 322 00:16:41,709 --> 00:16:42,751 So you ran. 323 00:16:43,293 --> 00:16:45,671 [KEVIN SOBBING] Uh-huh. 324 00:16:46,422 --> 00:16:48,674 - [SNIFFLES] Yeah. - It's the best thing you coulda done. 325 00:16:48,757 --> 00:16:50,509 I coulda gone back in there! 326 00:16:50,592 --> 00:16:52,011 We would've lost you both. 327 00:16:52,094 --> 00:16:54,096 [KEVIN CONTINUES SOBBING] 328 00:16:56,974 --> 00:16:57,975 TENCH: Kevin, thank you. 329 00:16:58,767 --> 00:17:01,812 If you think of anything else, any detail... 330 00:17:01,895 --> 00:17:02,895 KEVIN: No. 331 00:17:03,731 --> 00:17:06,025 Um... He wore a watch. 332 00:17:06,984 --> 00:17:10,988 [SNIFFLES] Yeah, a... a big, steel, military kind. 333 00:17:22,124 --> 00:17:24,001 Was it at all similar to this one? 334 00:17:28,005 --> 00:17:29,131 KEVIN: It looked like that. 335 00:17:30,007 --> 00:17:31,341 Joseph Otero's watch. 336 00:17:31,425 --> 00:17:34,136 KEVIN: That's that family, right? It's him, isn't it? 337 00:17:34,219 --> 00:17:35,054 BTK. 338 00:17:35,137 --> 00:17:37,890 He bragged about a fifth victim, but he never named her. 339 00:17:38,390 --> 00:17:39,475 We think it was Kathy. 340 00:17:39,558 --> 00:17:41,935 KEVIN: I told you, he'd done this before. 341 00:17:42,019 --> 00:17:43,479 He knew what he was doing! 342 00:17:43,562 --> 00:17:45,689 I... I don't have brain damage like they say. 343 00:17:45,773 --> 00:17:47,483 - I just get tired! - We believe you. 344 00:17:47,900 --> 00:17:50,486 - And we'll catch him. - KEVIN: I can't wait for that. 345 00:17:50,569 --> 00:17:52,404 - What do you mean? - KEVIN: I saw his face! 346 00:17:52,488 --> 00:17:53,781 He knows I'm out here. 347 00:17:53,864 --> 00:17:56,625 Every time I walk into a store, every time somebody walks into a room. 348 00:17:56,700 --> 00:17:58,994 - Even at church. - This guy does not go to church. 349 00:17:59,078 --> 00:18:01,278 - Where are you gonna go, Kevin? - KEVIN: Just... away. 350 00:18:01,872 --> 00:18:02,790 [SOBS] 351 00:18:02,873 --> 00:18:04,875 [TRAIN RATTLING LOUDLY ON TRACKS] 352 00:18:11,131 --> 00:18:12,549 Can't say that I blame him. 353 00:18:14,259 --> 00:18:15,636 [KEYS JINGLE] 354 00:18:15,719 --> 00:18:16,970 [ENGINE STARTS] 355 00:18:20,891 --> 00:18:23,310 - [KEYS JINGLE] - [DOOR OPENS] 356 00:18:23,435 --> 00:18:25,270 [CRICKETS CHIRPING] 357 00:18:46,375 --> 00:18:47,417 [CAP CLATTERS] 358 00:18:48,335 --> 00:18:50,087 [DOOR CREAKS] 359 00:19:15,571 --> 00:19:16,864 [SIGHS] 360 00:19:41,597 --> 00:19:42,681 - Nance? - [NANCY GASPS] 361 00:19:43,307 --> 00:19:44,933 - Uh, what's wrong? - TENCH: Nothing. 362 00:19:45,017 --> 00:19:46,017 It's okay. 363 00:19:46,643 --> 00:19:48,729 Honey, did you leave the back door open? 364 00:19:49,438 --> 00:19:51,481 I was taking out the trash. Brian couldn't sleep. 365 00:19:51,565 --> 00:19:52,941 Are you... Are you coming to bed? 366 00:19:53,525 --> 00:19:55,360 - I'll be in soon. - NANCY: All right. 367 00:19:57,946 --> 00:19:58,946 [SIGHS] 368 00:20:10,292 --> 00:20:11,627 [EXHALES] 369 00:20:20,636 --> 00:20:21,678 [KNOCKING ON DOOR] 370 00:20:22,679 --> 00:20:25,319 HOLDEN: Wendy's almost ready to meet for those Georgia interviews. 371 00:20:25,474 --> 00:20:26,600 Right. 372 00:20:32,231 --> 00:20:34,233 - BTK. - TENCH: He's a new animal. 373 00:20:34,316 --> 00:20:37,152 - Lots of interesting contradictions. - You mind? 374 00:20:43,450 --> 00:20:47,621 He brought the little girl to the basement and constructed a ritualized execution. 375 00:20:48,455 --> 00:20:49,623 That took time. 376 00:20:51,166 --> 00:20:52,668 This was a big risk. 377 00:20:53,252 --> 00:20:54,938 Her scene is the only one with semen present. 378 00:20:54,962 --> 00:20:56,505 She was clearly his primary interest. 379 00:20:56,588 --> 00:20:59,049 The rest of the family is just... collateral. 380 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,678 He only expected the mother and youngest daughter to be home. 381 00:21:03,178 --> 00:21:04,178 But he learns. 382 00:21:04,596 --> 00:21:06,598 After the Oteros, all of his victims are women. 383 00:21:06,682 --> 00:21:09,643 None of the men were at home, except for your witness, Bright's brother. 384 00:21:09,726 --> 00:21:10,886 Kevin wasn't expected either. 385 00:21:10,936 --> 00:21:14,189 So BTK changes his MO, and that's why he stabs the sister. 386 00:21:14,940 --> 00:21:17,818 What's amazing is even though he was surprised 387 00:21:17,901 --> 00:21:19,903 during the Bright and Otero murders, 388 00:21:21,822 --> 00:21:24,574 he somehow manages to overcome his own panic. 389 00:21:24,658 --> 00:21:26,034 TENCH: Imagine the adrenaline. 390 00:21:26,118 --> 00:21:29,454 You've planned for a petite woman and an eleven-year-old girl. 391 00:21:29,538 --> 00:21:31,331 And all of a sudden, you got a barking dog, 392 00:21:31,415 --> 00:21:34,001 another child, and a retired master sergeant. 393 00:21:34,459 --> 00:21:36,920 But he didn't run. He took his time. 394 00:21:37,754 --> 00:21:39,339 Maybe Otero wasn't his first. 395 00:21:39,423 --> 00:21:41,550 Too many rookie mistakes. It was his first. 396 00:21:41,633 --> 00:21:44,594 But I also think that he was exceptionally prepared. 397 00:21:44,678 --> 00:21:45,512 He practiced? 398 00:21:45,595 --> 00:21:48,265 Remember Kemper practiced on dolls, animals. 399 00:21:48,765 --> 00:21:50,100 He spent years fantasizing, 400 00:21:50,183 --> 00:21:52,185 so he knew exactly how he was going to do it 401 00:21:52,269 --> 00:21:53,562 when the time came. 402 00:21:53,645 --> 00:21:55,525 There's no way our guy doesn't have a rap sheet. 403 00:21:55,564 --> 00:21:56,564 Animal abuse, 404 00:21:56,606 --> 00:21:59,151 maybe peeping neighborhood girls, assaulting prostitutes. 405 00:21:59,234 --> 00:22:00,736 So what have we got so far? 406 00:22:00,861 --> 00:22:03,238 White male, late 20s to early 30s, 407 00:22:03,322 --> 00:22:05,657 rap sheet, possible assault complaints. 408 00:22:05,741 --> 00:22:07,034 High school education at best. 409 00:22:07,117 --> 00:22:09,119 Has difficulty holding more than a menial job. 410 00:22:09,202 --> 00:22:12,122 Kevin said he smelled "clean." His clothes were nice. 411 00:22:12,205 --> 00:22:13,874 He wasn't angry or harsh. 412 00:22:13,957 --> 00:22:17,377 He sounds almost as ordinary and suburban as the victim pool. 413 00:22:17,461 --> 00:22:20,130 Everyone we've interviewed is a product of a difficult home 414 00:22:20,213 --> 00:22:21,548 and a string of adult failures. 415 00:22:21,631 --> 00:22:23,675 - Hmm. - HOLDEN: They're all emotionally scarred. 416 00:22:23,759 --> 00:22:27,095 The only one who managed to keep a job was Brudos, and he was blue-collar. 417 00:22:27,179 --> 00:22:28,388 What about his letters 418 00:22:28,472 --> 00:22:30,307 that he writes to the newspaper? 419 00:22:32,809 --> 00:22:34,644 He's equating himself with famous killers. 420 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,273 "Son of Sam," "Jack the Ripper," "Ted of the West Coast." 421 00:22:38,357 --> 00:22:40,067 That's gotta be Bundy. Who's Glatman? 422 00:22:40,150 --> 00:22:42,778 Harvey. Famous for binding and strangling women in the '50s. 423 00:22:42,861 --> 00:22:45,113 - Of course you know that. - He's studying them. 424 00:22:45,197 --> 00:22:46,948 Modeling himself after them. 425 00:22:47,032 --> 00:22:48,032 Look at this page. 426 00:22:48,241 --> 00:22:50,369 He actually gives himself possible names. 427 00:22:50,911 --> 00:22:52,037 "I like the following. 428 00:22:52,287 --> 00:22:53,287 How about you? 429 00:22:53,330 --> 00:22:55,499 'The BTK Strangler, ' 430 00:22:55,582 --> 00:22:59,002 'Wichita Strangler, ' 'Wichita Executioner.'" 431 00:22:59,086 --> 00:23:01,171 He's christening himself for the media. 432 00:23:01,254 --> 00:23:04,549 Like Zodiac, or Berkowitz naming himself "Son of Sam." 433 00:23:04,633 --> 00:23:08,178 Berkowitz also courted the press. He wrote directly to Jimmy Breslin. 434 00:23:08,553 --> 00:23:11,223 Berkowitz also gave himself a symbol with initials. 435 00:23:11,306 --> 00:23:13,350 He used it on every letter he wrote. 436 00:23:13,433 --> 00:23:14,433 TENCH: Right. 437 00:23:15,102 --> 00:23:16,186 It had a cross on the top. 438 00:23:18,271 --> 00:23:19,271 Like this. 439 00:23:20,816 --> 00:23:21,900 Look at our guy. 440 00:23:27,739 --> 00:23:29,408 We have to talk to the chubby behemoth. 441 00:23:30,158 --> 00:23:33,036 This is what we're doing now? Rearranging our interviews 442 00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:34,579 to service investigations? 443 00:23:34,663 --> 00:23:36,540 Because all of our subjects are important. 444 00:23:36,623 --> 00:23:38,559 Berkowitz has been on the list since the beginning. 445 00:23:38,583 --> 00:23:41,753 Maybe, but we need to discuss where he fits into our analysis. 446 00:23:42,421 --> 00:23:44,172 I mean, he's a diagnosed schizophrenic. 447 00:23:44,256 --> 00:23:45,376 So was Kemper as a juvenile. 448 00:23:45,424 --> 00:23:48,593 We need to at least consider that Berkowitz is a blitz killer. 449 00:23:49,136 --> 00:23:52,681 He exhibits none of Kemper or Brudos' psycho-sexual motivations. 450 00:23:52,764 --> 00:23:55,976 By his own account, he walked up to cars, fired five shots, and then ran. 451 00:23:56,059 --> 00:23:58,019 I can't see how anything lasting 19 seconds 452 00:23:58,103 --> 00:24:00,021 could allow for sexual gratification. 453 00:24:00,105 --> 00:24:04,443 Well, we know BTK is inspired by Berkowitz. 454 00:24:04,985 --> 00:24:07,737 And we know BTK kills for sexual fulfillment. 455 00:24:08,196 --> 00:24:10,240 And he's active. Seven so far. 456 00:24:10,323 --> 00:24:11,491 And he's hunting again. 457 00:24:12,033 --> 00:24:14,035 Either of these Georgia boys up for the chair? 458 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:15,912 - CARR: Hance is on death row. - On appeal. 459 00:24:15,996 --> 00:24:17,996 TENCH: Plenty of time. We'll push them off a week. 460 00:24:18,039 --> 00:24:19,517 I'll put together the research. Gregg, 461 00:24:19,541 --> 00:24:21,042 - can you change the flights? - Sure. 462 00:24:31,970 --> 00:24:33,130 This is what we're doin' now. 463 00:24:35,724 --> 00:24:36,725 [CHUCKLES] What? 464 00:24:38,602 --> 00:24:40,687 - ["CALL ME" PLAYING ON JUKEBOX] - [RAUCOUS CHATTER] 465 00:24:40,770 --> 00:24:42,689 TENCH: This doesn't seem like your scene. 466 00:24:43,106 --> 00:24:44,316 Holden brought me here. 467 00:24:44,524 --> 00:24:46,276 Doesn't seem like Holden's scene. 468 00:24:47,777 --> 00:24:49,571 Look, I won't usually betray a confidence, 469 00:24:50,363 --> 00:24:53,074 but when Holden disappeared those two days, 470 00:24:53,450 --> 00:24:54,868 he went to see Kemper. 471 00:24:54,951 --> 00:24:57,287 Now, whatever happened during that visit precipitated... 472 00:24:57,370 --> 00:24:58,205 Panic attacks. 473 00:24:58,288 --> 00:25:00,624 - You knew? - TENCH: I had to retrieve his ass. 474 00:25:01,166 --> 00:25:03,846 I'm really sorry I didn't tell you. I thought the last thing we need 475 00:25:03,919 --> 00:25:05,980 is for Holden to have everyone walking on eggshells around here. 476 00:25:06,004 --> 00:25:07,884 Quite frankly, Bill, this demands our attention. 477 00:25:07,923 --> 00:25:11,384 He had an episode. Even the doctor said it feels worse than it is. 478 00:25:11,468 --> 00:25:13,678 Panic attacks may not be brought on by anything real, 479 00:25:13,762 --> 00:25:15,138 but their effects are very real. 480 00:25:15,597 --> 00:25:17,742 Whether you think Holden deserves your sympathy or not, 481 00:25:17,766 --> 00:25:19,768 this could have serious consequences for us 482 00:25:19,851 --> 00:25:22,646 and very real physiological consequences for him. 483 00:25:22,729 --> 00:25:23,730 You're right. 484 00:25:24,648 --> 00:25:26,274 - Does Gunn know about this? - No. 485 00:25:26,525 --> 00:25:29,861 He's based his vision and his largesse on the Holden Ford miracle. 486 00:25:29,945 --> 00:25:32,030 I couldn't tell him Boy Wonder has the vapors. 487 00:25:32,113 --> 00:25:34,675 - We might not be worth salvaging... - With this Berkowitz interview, 488 00:25:34,699 --> 00:25:36,451 you have got to take the lead. 489 00:25:36,535 --> 00:25:38,471 He's gonna be walking in there in a heightened state, 490 00:25:38,495 --> 00:25:41,289 knowing that he's got one shot at the killer on the cover of Newsweek. 491 00:25:41,706 --> 00:25:44,668 He'll be anxious, vulnerable, and that could prime him for an episode. 492 00:25:44,751 --> 00:25:46,871 The last time he was in the room with a serial killer, 493 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,964 he ended up chained to a hospital bed. What do I do? 494 00:25:49,047 --> 00:25:49,881 CARR: Be observant. 495 00:25:49,965 --> 00:25:53,260 Apart from the obvious physical cues, an attack can manifest dozens of ways. 496 00:25:53,343 --> 00:25:56,137 So if he seems manic or overly nervous, fragile... 497 00:25:56,221 --> 00:25:57,514 Should I carry smelling salts? 498 00:25:57,597 --> 00:25:58,473 It's not a joke. 499 00:25:58,557 --> 00:26:01,142 If you see one hint, you get him out of there. 500 00:26:01,226 --> 00:26:04,646 Whatever you feel about Holden's health, if he blows this with Berkowitz, 501 00:26:04,729 --> 00:26:06,481 Gunn will rethink his investment. 502 00:26:07,023 --> 00:26:09,901 And from now on, there needs to be transparency between us. 503 00:26:09,985 --> 00:26:12,195 Whatever is going on with him, we both know about it. 504 00:26:12,279 --> 00:26:13,279 Two-way street. 505 00:26:13,321 --> 00:26:14,239 Deal. 506 00:26:14,322 --> 00:26:16,324 [PATRONS SHOUTING AND CHEERING] 507 00:26:23,206 --> 00:26:24,332 I'll get our next one. 508 00:26:24,416 --> 00:26:26,334 - I feel like I owe you. - CARR: I got it. 509 00:26:30,964 --> 00:26:32,964 - BARTENDER: Another round? - PATRON 1: Gorgeous. 510 00:26:33,466 --> 00:26:35,719 - Mm! - Yeah. Thank you. 511 00:26:35,802 --> 00:26:37,012 Let me get that for you. 512 00:26:37,345 --> 00:26:38,221 Leave her alone, Gary. 513 00:26:38,305 --> 00:26:40,575 - [INHALES SHARPLY] - She's with General Patton over there. 514 00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:42,399 PATRON 1: Well, you keep blowing me off, Kay! 515 00:26:42,475 --> 00:26:45,979 How else is a red-blooded American patriot supposed to spend his hard-earned pay? 516 00:26:46,062 --> 00:26:48,231 I'm sure you don't need any help coming up with ideas. 517 00:26:48,315 --> 00:26:50,167 PATRON 2: What if I promise to take you out of here 518 00:26:50,191 --> 00:26:51,860 and away from all these assholes? 519 00:26:51,943 --> 00:26:53,862 - What's your name, Marine? - PATRON #2: Eric. 520 00:26:54,237 --> 00:26:56,239 Did you just get into Quantico, Eric? 521 00:26:56,323 --> 00:26:57,240 Yes, ma'am. 522 00:26:57,324 --> 00:26:59,284 Why don't you help me through my first long night? 523 00:26:59,326 --> 00:27:00,702 Oh, Eric, you are new here. 524 00:27:01,286 --> 00:27:03,038 These boys put you up to it, didn't they? 525 00:27:03,121 --> 00:27:05,999 Sadly, you are warming up the bat all by yourself tonight. 526 00:27:06,750 --> 00:27:09,210 - [WHISPERS] I play for the other team. - [PATRON 1 LAUGHS] 527 00:27:09,294 --> 00:27:10,462 [ERIC GRUNTS] 528 00:27:10,545 --> 00:27:11,588 PATRON #1: If she's bent, 529 00:27:11,671 --> 00:27:12,857 so are Christie Brinkley and Brooke Shields. 530 00:27:12,881 --> 00:27:15,041 - ERIC: Well, I'd watch that pillow fight. - Same tab? 531 00:27:16,134 --> 00:27:17,510 No, I've got this one. 532 00:27:21,598 --> 00:27:22,599 That really work? 533 00:27:23,308 --> 00:27:24,768 People see what they wanna see. 534 00:27:25,518 --> 00:27:26,954 Let me know if I can get you anything else. 535 00:27:26,978 --> 00:27:28,778 - Thanks. - PATRON #1: Thanks for dropping by. 536 00:27:29,314 --> 00:27:31,316 - [SNAPS FINGERS] - Eyes forward, maggots. 537 00:27:34,903 --> 00:27:38,365 HOLDEN: Six killed, seven wounded. Biggest manhunt in US history. 538 00:27:38,448 --> 00:27:41,660 And he says a demon inhabiting a neighbor's dog made him do it. 539 00:27:41,743 --> 00:27:44,221 - Do we really buy that? - [MAN SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY ON RADIO] 540 00:27:44,245 --> 00:27:45,885 On the surface, the crimes appear random, 541 00:27:45,955 --> 00:27:49,751 but... I'm not sure he's the madman he makes himself out to be. 542 00:27:50,126 --> 00:27:52,253 There's just enough pattern to show intention. 543 00:27:52,337 --> 00:27:55,090 He always shot at women or women in the company of men. 544 00:27:55,173 --> 00:27:58,069 And when he shot at couples in cars, he always shot at the passenger side. 545 00:27:58,093 --> 00:28:00,387 That was used to support the "random" argument. 546 00:28:00,470 --> 00:28:03,765 It's the side closest to the sidewalk. No planning, no strategy. 547 00:28:03,848 --> 00:28:04,848 Just shoot. 548 00:28:05,141 --> 00:28:07,936 But in couples, the male is usually the driver. 549 00:28:09,187 --> 00:28:12,273 He never shot at the driver's side. He unleashed everything on the... 550 00:28:13,024 --> 00:28:14,442 woman's side of the vehicle. 551 00:28:23,368 --> 00:28:26,329 - [ALARM BUZZES] - [OFFICERS SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY] 552 00:28:31,835 --> 00:28:35,171 [BELL RINGS] 553 00:28:54,607 --> 00:28:56,609 - [DOOR SLAMS] - [LOCK CLICKS] 554 00:28:56,735 --> 00:28:58,486 [INDISTINCT CLAMORING] 555 00:28:58,570 --> 00:28:59,821 [KEYS JINGLE] 556 00:29:00,572 --> 00:29:02,490 [WOMAN SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY OVER PA] 557 00:29:03,658 --> 00:29:05,910 [ALARM BUZZES] 558 00:29:09,873 --> 00:29:12,333 I'm surprised the FBI hasn't come sooner. 559 00:29:13,334 --> 00:29:16,212 The night I was arrested, the mayor came to see me. 560 00:29:16,796 --> 00:29:19,007 He came down to my cell in the middle of the night. 561 00:29:19,090 --> 00:29:20,842 We fit you in as soon as we could. 562 00:29:23,511 --> 00:29:25,346 So, you're talking to other people? 563 00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:26,430 TENCH: A few. 564 00:29:27,182 --> 00:29:28,933 But no one who's done what you did. 565 00:29:30,059 --> 00:29:32,312 You held an entire city in thrall. 566 00:29:33,188 --> 00:29:36,024 Girls got their hair cut so you wouldn't single them out. 567 00:29:36,232 --> 00:29:37,650 Discos closed early. 568 00:29:38,026 --> 00:29:40,737 It was the largest task force New York ever assembled. 569 00:29:41,696 --> 00:29:43,114 A hundred years from now, 570 00:29:43,198 --> 00:29:45,909 people will still know the name Son of Sam. 571 00:29:45,992 --> 00:29:46,992 [DOG BARKING] 572 00:29:47,243 --> 00:29:49,662 I always say, if you want to learn how to paint, 573 00:29:50,914 --> 00:29:52,248 go straight to the artist. 574 00:29:53,958 --> 00:29:56,270 - What does that mean? - TENCH: You got so much publicity, 575 00:29:56,294 --> 00:29:58,797 there's a killer out in Kansas who idolizes you. 576 00:29:59,589 --> 00:30:01,424 He's writing letters to the press. 577 00:30:01,508 --> 00:30:03,009 And he's writing about you. 578 00:30:05,970 --> 00:30:09,140 - BERKOWITZ: Is he shitting me? - Guy's killed seven so far. 579 00:30:09,224 --> 00:30:11,142 He even made a symbol. Show him the thing. 580 00:30:11,726 --> 00:30:15,021 [INMATE SHOUTS INDISTINCTLY] 581 00:30:21,569 --> 00:30:22,569 What is that? Boobs? 582 00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:24,029 It's a B. 583 00:30:24,864 --> 00:30:27,826 - This is a complete rip-off. - TENCH: That's what we think. 584 00:30:30,245 --> 00:30:31,245 How's he kill 'em? 585 00:30:31,955 --> 00:30:34,833 TENCH: He breaks into houses, ties 'em up, strangles 'em. 586 00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:37,210 Calls himself BTK. 587 00:30:37,293 --> 00:30:38,586 For Bind, Torture, Kill. 588 00:30:39,504 --> 00:30:41,172 David, why did you name yourself? 589 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,758 "I am the Son of Sam. 590 00:30:44,509 --> 00:30:47,220 Go out and kill, commands father Sam." 591 00:30:52,058 --> 00:30:55,103 The press had called me the ".44 Caliber Killer." 592 00:30:55,770 --> 00:30:58,356 They had this absurd theory 593 00:30:58,439 --> 00:31:00,775 the gun somehow symbolized my penis. 594 00:31:02,235 --> 00:31:04,153 I'm not some crazed sex killer. 595 00:31:05,071 --> 00:31:07,782 I needed a name that explained who I really was. 596 00:31:08,157 --> 00:31:11,452 That I was being controlled by a 3,000-year-old demon. 597 00:31:12,537 --> 00:31:14,581 People need to know demons are real. 598 00:31:15,164 --> 00:31:17,834 The Exorcist is based on actual shit. 599 00:31:17,917 --> 00:31:19,043 You saw The Exorcist? 600 00:31:19,919 --> 00:31:20,919 Everyone did. 601 00:31:21,254 --> 00:31:24,382 You read a lot about demons and exorcisms before the killings? 602 00:31:26,217 --> 00:31:27,218 Maybe. 603 00:31:27,302 --> 00:31:30,430 Let's go to the first attack. We're fascinated by your mindset... 604 00:31:30,513 --> 00:31:31,598 You're adopted, aren't you? 605 00:31:38,271 --> 00:31:41,774 Yeah. Just before this all started, 606 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,360 I traced my biological mother. 607 00:31:44,444 --> 00:31:46,988 - Found out she never wanted me. - That must've been hard. 608 00:31:47,697 --> 00:31:50,325 My adoptive mother told me my real mother died. 609 00:31:50,742 --> 00:31:52,660 That often happens with adopted kids. 610 00:31:55,580 --> 00:31:56,956 Well, I was illegitimate. 611 00:31:57,749 --> 00:31:58,749 They both lied. 612 00:32:00,668 --> 00:32:02,837 That's about when I started hearing voices. 613 00:32:02,921 --> 00:32:04,130 HOLDEN: The "demons." 614 00:32:06,966 --> 00:32:08,927 How do you know when you have a demon? 615 00:32:09,177 --> 00:32:10,177 Are there symptoms? 616 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,724 BERKOWITZ: Possession isn't just 617 00:32:14,807 --> 00:32:16,517 what you see on the outside. 618 00:32:17,518 --> 00:32:19,938 The torment inside is horrible. 619 00:32:20,772 --> 00:32:23,066 Demons are powerful beings. 620 00:32:23,149 --> 00:32:26,569 They use your own voice, your own thoughts against you. 621 00:32:27,195 --> 00:32:28,738 They make you think you're crazy. 622 00:32:29,238 --> 00:32:32,325 When they get strong enough, they speak their name out loud. 623 00:32:32,408 --> 00:32:36,204 And once they've done that, they are in complete control. 624 00:32:36,496 --> 00:32:38,665 So, now you know you've got a demon... 625 00:32:39,707 --> 00:32:40,707 What did you do? 626 00:32:41,793 --> 00:32:44,379 I quit my job and locked myself in my apartment. 627 00:32:44,879 --> 00:32:47,674 For a month, I stayed home listening, preparing... 628 00:32:47,757 --> 00:32:49,592 Listening? To what exactly? 629 00:32:52,637 --> 00:32:54,222 My neighbor, Sam, had a dog. 630 00:32:54,305 --> 00:32:56,182 - [LIGHTER CLICKS] - BERKOWITZ: Every night, 631 00:32:56,265 --> 00:32:57,809 this dog would howl. 632 00:32:58,142 --> 00:32:59,936 He would not shut up. 633 00:33:00,353 --> 00:33:02,313 He kept saying he needed blood. 634 00:33:02,397 --> 00:33:03,898 He demanded blood. 635 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:06,526 I had no choice. 636 00:33:06,609 --> 00:33:10,154 That writing on your apartment walls, what was that about? 637 00:33:10,238 --> 00:33:11,698 [SIGHS] 638 00:33:14,075 --> 00:33:16,744 Sometimes the voices came from inside the walls. 639 00:33:17,203 --> 00:33:18,538 So, not from a dog? 640 00:33:19,664 --> 00:33:21,264 I'm just trying to keep it all straight. 641 00:33:22,250 --> 00:33:23,394 BERKOWITZ: They tormented me. 642 00:33:23,418 --> 00:33:25,420 I would tear the walls open looking for 'em. 643 00:33:25,503 --> 00:33:28,631 Was that about the time you saw The Exorcist and read your books? 644 00:33:30,216 --> 00:33:32,010 - Around then. - HOLDEN: I'm curious. 645 00:33:32,093 --> 00:33:34,554 You had this history of demonic voices, 646 00:33:34,637 --> 00:33:35,722 psychotic episodes. 647 00:33:36,431 --> 00:33:39,058 Why not plead not guilty by reason of insanity? 648 00:33:39,142 --> 00:33:42,603 Why plead guilty and never get a trial where you could explain your demons? 649 00:33:42,687 --> 00:33:44,647 Because I am not insane. 650 00:33:44,897 --> 00:33:47,275 I can't pretend to be insane. 651 00:33:48,192 --> 00:33:51,237 I knew it was wrong, but they made me do it. 652 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:55,074 Hearing demons is quite possibly the textbook definition of insanity. 653 00:33:55,158 --> 00:33:57,118 They came to me, not from me. 654 00:33:57,201 --> 00:34:00,121 Sorry to dwell on it, but it is the part that fascinates people. 655 00:34:00,204 --> 00:34:04,459 You know, two people are writing books. Your neighbor and some guy 656 00:34:04,542 --> 00:34:06,836 you gave your life rights to for whatever reason. 657 00:34:06,919 --> 00:34:08,421 I'm in a legal dispute with him. 658 00:34:08,504 --> 00:34:10,256 That book is gonna move like Big Macs. 659 00:34:10,339 --> 00:34:12,675 A guy who talks to dogs, hears demons. 660 00:34:13,968 --> 00:34:15,428 Crazy sells, man. [SIGHS] 661 00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:19,182 He makes any proceeds off the book, right? 662 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,477 - The guy with your life rights? - Like I said, it's a legal dispute. 663 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:23,978 I can't discuss the details. 664 00:34:24,062 --> 00:34:25,521 HOLDEN: Oh, I bet it is. 665 00:34:26,314 --> 00:34:29,484 The voices don't interfere with talking to your lawyer, do they? 666 00:34:34,238 --> 00:34:37,575 [TAKES A DEEP BREATH] It's a crock, isn't it? 667 00:34:39,577 --> 00:34:41,412 There's no voices, no demon. 668 00:34:42,789 --> 00:34:43,789 The dog doesn't talk. 669 00:34:45,249 --> 00:34:48,044 You saw a movie, read some books, and made it all up. 670 00:34:48,127 --> 00:34:49,796 So if everything went to shit... 671 00:34:50,213 --> 00:34:51,213 you'd have a way out. 672 00:34:52,381 --> 00:34:54,061 Do you want to forever be known at the FBI 673 00:34:54,092 --> 00:34:57,212 as the guy who let a Labrador land him in jail for the rest of his shitty life? 674 00:35:00,139 --> 00:35:03,351 They all bought it, David, didn't they? 675 00:35:05,061 --> 00:35:06,270 Even the shrinks. 676 00:35:06,979 --> 00:35:08,272 [ALARM BUZZES] 677 00:35:13,528 --> 00:35:14,987 Especially the shrinks. 678 00:35:16,656 --> 00:35:18,616 Hell, I believed some of it. 679 00:35:19,992 --> 00:35:21,452 I'm very suggestible. 680 00:35:21,536 --> 00:35:23,204 HOLDEN: Did you wanna hear voices? 681 00:35:23,287 --> 00:35:24,789 BERKOWITZ: I kept reading about 'em. 682 00:35:24,872 --> 00:35:26,999 They got kinda tied up with my fantasies. 683 00:35:27,083 --> 00:35:28,751 What fantasies are those? 684 00:35:28,835 --> 00:35:30,545 BERKOWITZ: Girls. Revenge. 685 00:35:30,628 --> 00:35:32,713 I'm what you call a "sex-starved daydreamer." 686 00:35:33,965 --> 00:35:35,800 That... That's just me. That's not clinical. 687 00:35:35,883 --> 00:35:38,803 - When did these fantasies start? - BERKOWITZ: When I was a teenager. 688 00:35:39,220 --> 00:35:42,223 But even now, I still spend most of my time fantasizing. 689 00:35:44,767 --> 00:35:47,436 My killings were not sex crimes. 690 00:35:48,062 --> 00:35:49,856 I never wanted to rape anybody. 691 00:35:50,398 --> 00:35:51,691 I just wanted to kill 'em. 692 00:35:52,233 --> 00:35:55,611 Voices helped me justify what I already wanted to do. 693 00:35:55,695 --> 00:35:57,613 How did you find them? Your victims? 694 00:35:58,239 --> 00:35:59,699 Just started driving. 695 00:35:59,782 --> 00:36:01,659 - Driving? - BERKOWITZ: All the time. 696 00:36:01,742 --> 00:36:02,660 Lookin' for girls. 697 00:36:02,743 --> 00:36:05,496 So you never picked anyone out in advance and surveilled them? 698 00:36:05,580 --> 00:36:08,332 No. I never knew who it would be. 699 00:36:08,791 --> 00:36:10,042 Is that what Kansas does? 700 00:36:10,126 --> 00:36:11,669 We think so from his letters. 701 00:36:11,752 --> 00:36:13,462 BERKOWITZ: I just drove and drove. 702 00:36:13,546 --> 00:36:15,131 I'll bet he does too, Kansas. 703 00:36:16,382 --> 00:36:18,176 Gotta have a reliable car. 704 00:36:18,634 --> 00:36:19,760 And I was cunning. 705 00:36:19,844 --> 00:36:21,846 I studied maps, escape routes. 706 00:36:21,929 --> 00:36:24,932 I carried my gun, a roll of quarters for parking. 707 00:36:26,017 --> 00:36:27,727 You never know when it might come together. 708 00:36:27,810 --> 00:36:29,746 TENCH: How did you know what nights to go hunting? 709 00:36:29,770 --> 00:36:32,190 Did it have anything to do with lunar cycles? 710 00:36:32,273 --> 00:36:34,150 Fuck no. I hunted every night. 711 00:36:34,233 --> 00:36:35,878 - Every night? - BERKOWITZ: That's what it takes. 712 00:36:35,902 --> 00:36:36,902 Commitment. 713 00:36:37,236 --> 00:36:38,529 You go out every night, 714 00:36:38,613 --> 00:36:42,617 but... maybe once every few weeks, you find the right girl 715 00:36:42,700 --> 00:36:44,452 in the right place, at the right time. 716 00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:47,079 I never knew what I was lookin' for, 717 00:36:47,997 --> 00:36:49,624 but I knew her when I saw her. 718 00:36:49,707 --> 00:36:51,083 You ever take souvenirs? 719 00:36:51,751 --> 00:36:52,793 Something from the scene? 720 00:36:52,877 --> 00:36:55,630 - Maybe something from one of the girls? - No, I ran. 721 00:36:57,590 --> 00:36:59,091 The copycat, he takes things? 722 00:36:59,425 --> 00:37:00,259 TENCH: Yeah. 723 00:37:00,343 --> 00:37:04,263 David, did you ever go back to any of the crime scenes? 724 00:37:04,972 --> 00:37:05,972 All the time. 725 00:37:06,015 --> 00:37:08,935 Was it because you felt guilt or remorse? 726 00:37:10,269 --> 00:37:11,103 Nah. 727 00:37:11,187 --> 00:37:13,564 If I struck out or there were too many cops, 728 00:37:13,648 --> 00:37:15,441 I'd go back to where I did a job. 729 00:37:15,524 --> 00:37:16,609 You'd relive it. 730 00:37:18,402 --> 00:37:20,529 Every detail. [CHUCKLES SOFTLY] 731 00:37:22,782 --> 00:37:26,452 Sometimes, I rolled around in the dirt where they died, just to feel it. 732 00:37:27,787 --> 00:37:28,787 Did you...? 733 00:37:32,166 --> 00:37:34,168 - [SIGHS] - BERKOWITZ: Masturbate? 734 00:37:34,752 --> 00:37:35,753 Oh, yeah. 735 00:37:36,963 --> 00:37:38,506 But not there. At home. 736 00:37:39,173 --> 00:37:43,261 Again, I never fantasized about sex with violence. 737 00:37:44,637 --> 00:37:46,264 Those two things were always separate. 738 00:37:46,347 --> 00:37:47,431 HOLDEN: Of course. 739 00:37:49,642 --> 00:37:51,644 [INMATES SHOUTING IN DISTANCE] 740 00:37:54,146 --> 00:37:57,566 Even if he takes souvenirs, your guy, 741 00:37:58,109 --> 00:38:00,319 I guarantee you he goes back. 742 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:02,488 You can't resist it. 743 00:38:04,115 --> 00:38:05,741 Maybe he just drives by. 744 00:38:07,743 --> 00:38:08,743 Maybe. 745 00:38:09,912 --> 00:38:11,914 [INDISTINCT CHATTER] 746 00:38:12,373 --> 00:38:15,626 His own narcissism forces him to admit that the demons were fabricated. 747 00:38:15,710 --> 00:38:19,297 The thought of someone else profiting from his fame was unbearable. 748 00:38:19,380 --> 00:38:20,464 Your instincts were right. 749 00:38:20,548 --> 00:38:23,026 A schizophrenic wouldn't be able to turn the voices on and off. 750 00:38:23,050 --> 00:38:25,303 Crazed killer or possessed, what's the difference? 751 00:38:25,386 --> 00:38:27,930 He can't tolerate his image tarnished by insanity. 752 00:38:28,889 --> 00:38:30,349 The demons make him special. 753 00:38:30,933 --> 00:38:33,185 A warrior battling insurmountable evil. 754 00:38:33,602 --> 00:38:34,812 Crazy's just weak. 755 00:38:34,895 --> 00:38:37,335 You know what's really surprising is that despite appearances, 756 00:38:37,398 --> 00:38:39,692 his crimes are psycho-sexually motivated. 757 00:38:39,775 --> 00:38:42,695 He kept making the point that his sexual fantasies were separate 758 00:38:42,778 --> 00:38:43,612 from the violence. 759 00:38:43,696 --> 00:38:45,573 He did not want his gun mistaken for his penis. 760 00:38:45,656 --> 00:38:46,657 He did choose a .44. 761 00:38:46,741 --> 00:38:49,827 CARR: That goes back to public image conflicting with self-image. 762 00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:51,454 Sex offenders are perverts. 763 00:38:51,537 --> 00:38:52,788 He's a tormented genius. 764 00:38:52,872 --> 00:38:55,374 When the media got that wrong, he corrected the narrative. 765 00:38:55,458 --> 00:38:57,877 So is he getting off on publicity more than the killings? 766 00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:58,794 CARR: It's both. 767 00:38:58,878 --> 00:38:59,962 The killings were foreplay, 768 00:39:00,046 --> 00:39:02,381 but he was just as concerned with how he was perceived. 769 00:39:02,465 --> 00:39:05,134 Naming himself, communicating with the media. 770 00:39:05,217 --> 00:39:06,594 It all adds up to control. 771 00:39:06,677 --> 00:39:08,846 And Berkowitz can't control how women treat him 772 00:39:08,929 --> 00:39:10,806 or how he fits into his family. 773 00:39:10,890 --> 00:39:13,184 So he creates this monstrous persona, 774 00:39:13,267 --> 00:39:16,187 but really he's just a dumpy, awkward mailman. 775 00:39:16,270 --> 00:39:20,024 TENCH: If we go by what Berkowitz said, BTK trolls every night. 776 00:39:20,107 --> 00:39:23,110 No one could hold down a real job, have a family, 777 00:39:23,194 --> 00:39:26,655 hunt, visit their crime scenes. He's got a menial job at best. 778 00:39:26,739 --> 00:39:28,949 - And no real relationships. - Certainly not with women. 779 00:39:29,033 --> 00:39:30,117 CARR: Based on Berkowitz, 780 00:39:30,201 --> 00:39:32,703 we're gonna have to open up an entire new category. 781 00:39:32,787 --> 00:39:35,599 We've been looking at whether killers follow their stories in the media, 782 00:39:35,623 --> 00:39:36,749 like Kemper did. 783 00:39:36,832 --> 00:39:40,586 But now we have to consider how they use the media to create their own mythologies. 784 00:39:40,669 --> 00:39:42,129 So Berkowitz, what is he? 785 00:39:44,131 --> 00:39:47,551 [SIGHS] He's not schizophrenic. Does virtually no preplanning. 786 00:39:47,635 --> 00:39:50,596 Has an absurd supernatural explanation if caught. 787 00:39:50,679 --> 00:39:53,057 And there are definite sexual components to his crimes. 788 00:39:53,140 --> 00:39:54,600 TENCH: Organized or disorganized? 789 00:39:54,683 --> 00:39:56,964 Does he get a promotion now that he's not talkin' to dogs? 790 00:39:57,186 --> 00:40:00,147 Overall, I'd say he's more organized than not. 791 00:40:01,399 --> 00:40:02,399 Who'd have thunk? 792 00:40:03,442 --> 00:40:04,944 [HOLDEN SIGHS] 793 00:40:12,785 --> 00:40:13,785 Hey, Bill. 794 00:40:15,204 --> 00:40:16,204 How was he? 795 00:40:17,081 --> 00:40:18,582 A little stiff at first. 796 00:40:18,666 --> 00:40:20,960 But then back to his old cocksure self. 797 00:40:21,043 --> 00:40:24,713 - You read it. - Hmm. Still think we need to be cautious. 798 00:40:25,214 --> 00:40:26,257 I think he's back. 799 00:40:31,512 --> 00:40:32,346 Good night. 800 00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:33,430 Good night. 801 00:40:38,477 --> 00:40:39,603 [DOOR CLOSES] 802 00:40:59,331 --> 00:41:00,416 [WATER RUNNING] 803 00:41:04,628 --> 00:41:06,213 [DOORBELL RINGS] 804 00:41:09,341 --> 00:41:10,885 [DOG BARKING IN DISTANCE] 805 00:41:13,804 --> 00:41:16,599 Good evening. Uh, is Nancy Tench home? 806 00:41:17,433 --> 00:41:18,767 I'm her husband. Can I help you? 807 00:41:18,851 --> 00:41:21,103 I'm Detective Spencer with Fredericksburg PD. 808 00:41:21,187 --> 00:41:22,354 TENCH: Special Agent Tench. 809 00:41:22,438 --> 00:41:23,481 FBI. 810 00:41:23,772 --> 00:41:24,940 What can I do for ya? 811 00:41:25,232 --> 00:41:27,776 [SIGHS] I'm so sorry. Detective Art Spencer. 812 00:41:28,611 --> 00:41:32,448 Mrs. Tench, are you the Realtor for 1159 Cimmaron Court? 813 00:41:32,531 --> 00:41:33,449 Yes. 814 00:41:33,532 --> 00:41:36,702 You need to know that the residence is, unfortunately, a crime scene. 815 00:41:36,785 --> 00:41:39,914 - What? Has there been a break-in? - SPENCER: No, there's been a... 816 00:41:41,665 --> 00:41:43,375 - body found in the garage. - [GASPS] 817 00:41:44,877 --> 00:41:46,170 Oh, my God. 818 00:41:46,712 --> 00:41:48,714 We're investigating it as a homicide. 819 00:41:49,048 --> 00:41:51,258 Um... I'm afraid I can't disclose... 820 00:41:53,260 --> 00:41:55,429 Forgive me. [SIGHS] 821 00:41:56,472 --> 00:41:57,348 May I come in? 822 00:41:57,431 --> 00:41:58,431 Of course. 823 00:41:59,850 --> 00:42:02,436 - Can I get you some water, anything? - No, thank you. 824 00:42:02,645 --> 00:42:04,855 I've just come from notifying next of kin. 825 00:42:04,939 --> 00:42:06,565 - That is rough. - Oh, my God. 826 00:42:06,815 --> 00:42:08,275 I'm sorry, how can we help? 827 00:42:09,068 --> 00:42:10,819 I need to ask a few questions. 828 00:42:10,903 --> 00:42:15,157 Ma'am, who has access to or has recently entered the premises? 829 00:42:15,824 --> 00:42:18,619 Um, just me and the owner. I've only shown it twice. 830 00:42:18,702 --> 00:42:20,942 There's a lockbox. The combination is the street address. 831 00:42:20,996 --> 00:42:22,540 I know that's not very secure. 832 00:42:22,623 --> 00:42:25,417 Is it possible any of the doors may have been left open by mistake? 833 00:42:25,501 --> 00:42:27,419 No, I'm always so careful. 834 00:42:27,503 --> 00:42:29,505 What about the yard? Do you have a regular crew? 835 00:42:29,588 --> 00:42:32,049 That's supposed to be me, but I'm afraid I never got there. 836 00:42:32,841 --> 00:42:35,403 I'll need to get the names of anyone that you've taken through the house. 837 00:42:35,427 --> 00:42:37,012 Of course. Um... 838 00:42:37,846 --> 00:42:38,973 Please, sit down. 839 00:42:41,058 --> 00:42:43,561 [DRAWERS CLATTERING] 840 00:42:43,978 --> 00:42:45,980 [BREATHING SHAKILY] 841 00:42:48,023 --> 00:42:50,067 This one's got me a little shook up, Agent Tench. 842 00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:51,735 TENCH: Bill. I get it. 843 00:42:51,819 --> 00:42:54,280 I work in a special homicide unit myself. 844 00:42:55,114 --> 00:42:57,241 I've seen plenty of things that kept me up at night. 845 00:42:58,367 --> 00:42:59,493 Anything you wanna share? 846 00:42:59,577 --> 00:43:01,704 [SIGHS] I really shouldn't discuss the particulars. 847 00:43:01,787 --> 00:43:02,787 Understood. 848 00:43:02,830 --> 00:43:04,456 SPENCER: I didn't wanna scare your wife, 849 00:43:04,540 --> 00:43:07,876 but I do need to get her shoes from when she was last in the garage. 850 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,546 We have a lot of latent evidence, and we need to eliminate her. 851 00:43:10,629 --> 00:43:12,881 Absolutely. Can I drop 'em by in the morning? 852 00:43:12,965 --> 00:43:14,049 We'll be there. 853 00:43:14,133 --> 00:43:16,693 Here are their names and numbers. They all seemed perfectly nice. 854 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,947 Thank you, ma'am. I'll let you know as soon as we're out. 855 00:43:18,971 --> 00:43:20,740 I'm so sorry to have barged in on your evening. 856 00:43:20,764 --> 00:43:23,017 Not a problem. Let me know if I can do anything. 857 00:43:29,690 --> 00:43:30,524 Wow. 858 00:43:30,608 --> 00:43:31,608 He was rattled. 859 00:43:31,650 --> 00:43:33,402 [SIGHS] I can't imagine. 860 00:43:33,485 --> 00:43:35,112 It's... awful. 861 00:43:35,195 --> 00:43:37,990 That just doesn't happen around here. 862 00:43:38,407 --> 00:43:39,867 It happens everywhere, Nance. 863 00:43:40,743 --> 00:43:42,411 - ["TUSK" PLAYING] - [NANCY SIGHS] 864 00:43:42,494 --> 00:43:43,871 [DRUMBEAT PLAYING] 865 00:43:48,959 --> 00:43:53,714 ♪ Why don't you ask him If he's gonna stay? ♪ 866 00:43:54,089 --> 00:43:59,219 ♪ Why don't you ask him If he's goin' away? ♪ 867 00:43:59,303 --> 00:44:02,431 ♪ Hey ♪ 868 00:44:10,064 --> 00:44:14,985 ♪ Why don't you tell me what's goin' on? ♪ 869 00:44:15,319 --> 00:44:17,613 ♪ Why don't you tell me ♪ 870 00:44:18,113 --> 00:44:22,576 ♪ Who's on the phone? Oh, oh, oh! ♪ 871 00:44:41,970 --> 00:44:47,017 ♪ Why don't you ask him what's goin' on? ♪ 872 00:44:47,309 --> 00:44:49,728 ♪ Why don't you ask him ♪ 873 00:44:49,812 --> 00:44:55,859 - ♪ Who's the latest on his throne? ♪ - [MEN CHANTING] 874 00:44:56,902 --> 00:44:59,905 - ♪ Don't say that you love me ♪ - ♪ Ah-ee! ♪ 875 00:44:59,988 --> 00:45:01,990 [MARCHING BAND PLAYING] 876 00:45:03,409 --> 00:45:04,618 [WHOOPING] 877 00:45:07,538 --> 00:45:10,457 - ♪ Just tell me that you want me ♪ - ♪ Ah-ee! ♪ 878 00:45:10,541 --> 00:45:11,541 ♪ Yeah! ♪ 879 00:45:15,879 --> 00:45:16,879 ♪ Tusk! ♪ 880 00:45:18,257 --> 00:45:21,260 - ♪ Just say that you want me ♪ - ♪ Ah-ee! ♪ 881 00:45:21,385 --> 00:45:23,387 [CROWD CLAMORING] 882 00:45:28,809 --> 00:45:30,144 ♪ Don't tell me that you... ♪ 883 00:45:30,227 --> 00:45:32,229 [DRUM SOLO PLAYING] 884 00:45:40,237 --> 00:45:42,948 - [MARCHING BAND RESUMES PLAYING] - ♪ Tusk! ♪ 885 00:45:43,282 --> 00:45:48,620 - MAN: Real savage-like! - [CROWD CHEERING AND WHOOPING] 886 00:45:48,704 --> 00:45:50,706 [HORN SECTION CRESCENDOS] 887 00:46:01,508 --> 00:46:02,760 [MAN MOANS] 888 00:46:02,843 --> 00:46:06,054 [MARCHING BAND MUSIC SWELLS] 889 00:46:06,138 --> 00:46:07,222 ♪ Tusk! ♪ 890 00:46:08,432 --> 00:46:10,976 [SINGER VOCALIZING]