1 00:03:11,066 --> 00:03:14,361 - I'm gonna grab coffee. You want some? - I had some on the plane. 2 00:03:20,450 --> 00:03:22,619 Excuse me. May I? 3 00:03:23,161 --> 00:03:25,122 Students are welcome to everything. 4 00:03:36,633 --> 00:03:38,802 - Cold season. - Sorry, what? 5 00:03:39,553 --> 00:03:42,556 - I was just saying it's cold season. - Oh. 6 00:03:48,353 --> 00:03:49,396 Bill. 7 00:03:50,856 --> 00:03:53,734 - How are you? Welcome. - Thank you. 8 00:03:53,817 --> 00:03:55,318 How's your family? 9 00:03:55,402 --> 00:03:57,779 Since when do you care about any of that? 10 00:03:57,863 --> 00:03:59,990 I'm adopting a facade of caring. 11 00:04:00,073 --> 00:04:01,867 - You want to dive in? - Yeah. 12 00:04:03,076 --> 00:04:04,369 Here he is. 13 00:04:04,453 --> 00:04:07,330 Dr. Wendy Carr, my partner Holden Ford. 14 00:04:07,506 --> 00:04:08,540 Dr. Carr. 15 00:04:08,623 --> 00:04:11,334 Agent Ford. I've read a lot about you. 16 00:04:11,418 --> 00:04:13,336 - About me? - Your notes. 17 00:04:13,420 --> 00:04:14,838 Uh, thank you. 18 00:04:15,547 --> 00:04:17,591 Okay, um, let's go to my office. 19 00:04:20,844 --> 00:04:22,179 I'm glad this worked out. 20 00:04:22,637 --> 00:04:24,806 When you sent me your notes from the Kemper meetings, 21 00:04:24,890 --> 00:04:26,558 I was in a real rut with my new book. 22 00:04:26,641 --> 00:04:29,478 - What's your book about? - It's about white-collar criminals, 23 00:04:29,561 --> 00:04:31,313 men not so different to your Edmund Kemper. 24 00:04:31,396 --> 00:04:34,149 How do you think the men you study are similar to Edmund Kemper? 25 00:04:34,232 --> 00:04:37,152 Well, first of all, they're all psychopaths. 26 00:04:37,235 --> 00:04:39,362 I study captains of industry: 27 00:04:39,446 --> 00:04:42,616 IBM, MGM, Ford, Exxon, you name it. 28 00:04:42,699 --> 00:04:45,952 And sure, these men all have wives, kids, dogs, goldfish, 29 00:04:46,036 --> 00:04:48,580 but not because they stopped being psychopaths, 30 00:04:48,663 --> 00:04:50,916 but because they just had different leanings. 31 00:04:50,999 --> 00:04:53,543 But you think they have the same underlying personality traits? 32 00:04:53,627 --> 00:04:55,837 Well, Kemper shows a total lack of remorse, 33 00:04:55,921 --> 00:04:58,089 a lack of inner emotional structure, 34 00:04:58,173 --> 00:05:00,967 no ability to reflect on the experience of others. 35 00:05:01,051 --> 00:05:03,470 - You saw this in my notes? - It would've been clearer 36 00:05:03,553 --> 00:05:06,264 if you'd recorded and transcribed your interviews verbatim, 37 00:05:06,348 --> 00:05:07,641 but yeah. 38 00:05:07,724 --> 00:05:10,435 Although your project is obviously in the nascent stages, 39 00:05:10,519 --> 00:05:13,313 it already feels like a clear successor to The Mask of Sanity, 40 00:05:13,396 --> 00:05:15,357 which, as you know, is quite a compliment. 41 00:05:15,899 --> 00:05:17,234 Repeat that? The Mask of... 42 00:05:17,317 --> 00:05:19,152 So you're saying you don't think this, 43 00:05:19,236 --> 00:05:22,155 us interviewing these killers, is crazy? 44 00:05:22,239 --> 00:05:23,323 Just the opposite. 45 00:05:23,406 --> 00:05:26,785 I mean, crazy in the way that anyone with a truly new idea is crazy. 46 00:05:26,868 --> 00:05:29,412 - But no. - Wow, okay. 47 00:05:29,913 --> 00:05:31,122 That's a relief. 48 00:05:31,206 --> 00:05:33,458 That hasn't really been the feedback we've gotten so far. 49 00:05:33,542 --> 00:05:36,002 Actually, this is the only feedback we've gotten so far. 50 00:05:36,086 --> 00:05:38,213 Well, these men are just sitting here, locked up. 51 00:05:38,296 --> 00:05:40,423 And we're too afraid of the morality of it 52 00:05:40,507 --> 00:05:42,592 to see the far-reaching value of their insights. 53 00:05:42,676 --> 00:05:44,678 Far-reaching in law enforcement? 54 00:05:44,761 --> 00:05:48,890 Into behavioral science, early detection, criminology, you name it. 55 00:05:49,015 --> 00:05:51,476 Oh, yes, yes. This is what I've been saying the whole time. 56 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:52,561 Oh, have you? 57 00:05:52,644 --> 00:05:55,063 You need to put this on a more formal footing. 58 00:05:55,146 --> 00:05:56,815 It's gonna take a lot of time and energy 59 00:05:56,898 --> 00:06:00,443 to expand it into a larger project with a specific questionnaire. 60 00:06:00,944 --> 00:06:02,195 Their family histories, 61 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,489 what their thoughts were on why they did it, 62 00:06:04,573 --> 00:06:07,659 when they were aroused during the killings, that sort of thing. 63 00:06:07,742 --> 00:06:10,579 Then contrast, compare, and publish. 64 00:06:10,580 --> 00:06:11,580 Publish? 65 00:06:11,580 --> 00:06:14,165 Well, you can't just circulate your findings within the FBI. 66 00:06:14,249 --> 00:06:16,293 - I mean, maybe even turn it into a book. - A book? 67 00:06:16,376 --> 00:06:18,879 Whoa. We appreciate the vote of confidence, 68 00:06:18,962 --> 00:06:21,339 but we weren't allowed to send you those notes. 69 00:06:21,423 --> 00:06:24,342 - We can't publicize what we're doing. - Why not? 70 00:06:24,426 --> 00:06:26,303 Our department head gave us weekends only 71 00:06:26,386 --> 00:06:27,887 and an office in the basement. 72 00:06:27,971 --> 00:06:30,390 We still have students, we have Road School full-time. 73 00:06:30,473 --> 00:06:32,350 - We can't just drop everything... - Road School? 74 00:06:32,434 --> 00:06:35,437 We travel around the country and teach FBI techniques to cops. 75 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,230 - Oh. - We're seeing Benjamin Miller 76 00:06:37,314 --> 00:06:38,523 in Bridgewater this afternoon. 77 00:06:38,607 --> 00:06:40,287 Road School is what gives us the freedom 78 00:06:40,288 --> 00:06:41,568 to go out and interview these guys. 79 00:06:41,651 --> 00:06:43,194 We can go bit by bit. 80 00:06:43,278 --> 00:06:45,196 Kemper and Miller and build out from there. 81 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:47,032 Make a study in our free time, like you said. 82 00:06:47,115 --> 00:06:49,159 I didn't realize that this was so informal. 83 00:06:49,242 --> 00:06:53,330 We could make it formal. We can do that easily. And then a book. 84 00:06:53,413 --> 00:06:54,873 The successor to The Mask of... 85 00:06:54,956 --> 00:06:57,417 I guess I just wanted to get another set of eyes, 86 00:06:57,500 --> 00:07:00,795 see if you thought this was valuable from an academic standpoint. 87 00:07:03,131 --> 00:07:05,342 Have you shown your Kemper notes to your department head? 88 00:07:06,926 --> 00:07:07,966 No. 89 00:07:07,969 --> 00:07:10,305 Teaching police departments, can someone else do that? 90 00:07:10,388 --> 00:07:13,141 - Anyone can, it's really not that hard. - That is not true, 91 00:07:13,224 --> 00:07:14,559 and it's beside the point. 92 00:07:14,643 --> 00:07:16,686 Shepard doesn't even want us to talk about this. 93 00:07:16,770 --> 00:07:20,023 You really think he's going to say yes to a full-time academic study? 94 00:07:20,106 --> 00:07:21,141 Never mind a book? 95 00:07:24,027 --> 00:07:25,723 You think people would be interested 96 00:07:25,724 --> 00:07:27,072 in this outside of law enforcement? 97 00:07:28,782 --> 00:07:30,283 I mean, imagine, 98 00:07:30,367 --> 00:07:34,704 like truly imagine what it takes to bludgeon someone to death. 99 00:07:35,455 --> 00:07:37,666 The lust for control, 100 00:07:37,749 --> 00:07:39,668 the feeling of arousal, 101 00:07:39,751 --> 00:07:42,921 the decision to rape the severed head of your victim, 102 00:07:43,004 --> 00:07:45,298 to humiliate her corpse. 103 00:07:46,841 --> 00:07:49,886 How could you possibly get that from an ordinary police report? 104 00:07:50,804 --> 00:07:53,974 You know why it took me nearly a decade to publish my book? 105 00:07:54,391 --> 00:07:57,310 Because narcissists don't go to the doctor. 106 00:07:57,811 --> 00:08:00,438 Psychopaths are convinced that there is nothing wrong with them. 107 00:08:00,522 --> 00:08:02,983 So these men are virtually impossible to study. 108 00:08:03,066 --> 00:08:05,164 Yet you have found a way to study them 109 00:08:05,165 --> 00:08:08,113 in near perfect laboratory conditions. 110 00:08:08,196 --> 00:08:11,825 That's what make this so exciting and potentially so far-reaching. 111 00:08:11,908 --> 00:08:14,536 It's not that I disagree. I've spent enough time with Holden 112 00:08:14,619 --> 00:08:17,163 that I know what it means when he gets that crazy look. 113 00:08:17,247 --> 00:08:20,583 I'm afraid it's just not feasible within the bureaucracy of the FBI. 114 00:08:20,667 --> 00:08:23,753 We've got weekends. We've got the evenings after Road School, 115 00:08:23,837 --> 00:08:26,798 an hour or so before Road School. We don't have to tell Shepard. 116 00:08:26,881 --> 00:08:29,592 Interviewing 40 men across the States is a full-time job. 117 00:08:29,676 --> 00:08:32,053 And if you want this to be a legitimate academic study, 118 00:08:32,137 --> 00:08:34,305 then you're looking at four, maybe five years. 119 00:08:34,389 --> 00:08:36,391 - And compiling, analyzing the data. - Right. 120 00:08:38,893 --> 00:08:39,894 Well... 121 00:08:42,063 --> 00:08:43,064 It's a shame. 122 00:08:44,816 --> 00:08:47,694 We have an interview with Miller in an hour and it's a bit of a drive. 123 00:08:50,864 --> 00:08:52,657 You know, this is really important work. 124 00:08:52,741 --> 00:08:54,367 If your boss won't let you do it, 125 00:08:54,451 --> 00:08:57,370 then you should talk to someone who has the freedom and resources to... 126 00:08:57,454 --> 00:08:59,122 We'll stick with it for now. 127 00:08:59,205 --> 00:09:01,708 It'll be slow going, but we're not ready to give up yet. 128 00:09:01,791 --> 00:09:02,959 Of course not. 129 00:09:03,043 --> 00:09:06,337 But it's good to get some encouragement, even if our hands are tied. 130 00:09:07,005 --> 00:09:08,039 Thank you. 131 00:09:08,673 --> 00:09:09,832 It's a pleasure. 132 00:09:11,618 --> 00:09:12,635 - What if... - Don't. 133 00:09:12,719 --> 00:09:14,137 - I'm just saying we could... - Holden. 134 00:09:16,890 --> 00:09:18,641 Look, I'm frustrated too. 135 00:09:21,352 --> 00:09:23,038 You know, they shoot the birds in the yard 136 00:09:23,039 --> 00:09:25,648 because they might be smuggling in drugs. 137 00:09:27,859 --> 00:09:30,987 Actually, I don't know if that's true. A girlfriend told me once. 138 00:09:31,488 --> 00:09:33,573 - You date a lot of ex-cons? - No. 139 00:09:34,991 --> 00:09:36,320 Actually, Debbie's the first girl 140 00:09:36,321 --> 00:09:38,828 I've really dated-dated since high school. 141 00:09:38,912 --> 00:09:40,580 - Dated-dated. - Yeah. 142 00:09:41,164 --> 00:09:43,833 My wife's the first woman that I've married-married. 143 00:09:46,336 --> 00:09:48,671 I thought they said 3:00. What are we waiting for? 144 00:09:48,755 --> 00:09:50,799 You'd be less fidgety if you smoked cigarettes. 145 00:09:52,133 --> 00:09:53,718 I should have brought a tape recorder. 146 00:09:56,554 --> 00:09:58,431 Bureau Agents Tench and Ford? 147 00:10:15,198 --> 00:10:18,326 Gentlemen. I'm Dr. Cale. We spoke earlier on the phone. 148 00:10:18,409 --> 00:10:21,746 Thanks for doing this, Doctor. We realize it's somewhat unorthodox. 149 00:10:21,830 --> 00:10:24,040 Unfortunately, Miller says he won't talk to you. 150 00:10:24,124 --> 00:10:26,389 Now, we told him in advance and he agreed, 151 00:10:26,390 --> 00:10:28,253 but there's really nothing we can do now. 152 00:10:28,336 --> 00:10:30,964 - He should be in a better mood tomorrow. - Tomorrow? 153 00:10:31,047 --> 00:10:32,632 Well, he gets like this sometimes. 154 00:10:32,715 --> 00:10:35,343 Just needs a cool-off period before he can interact with people. 155 00:10:35,426 --> 00:10:38,263 We have to bring him food into his cell because he won't come out. 156 00:10:38,346 --> 00:10:40,431 We're headed out tonight. We can't come in tomorrow. 157 00:10:40,515 --> 00:10:43,434 I'm sorry. Will you be back to Boston another time? 158 00:10:44,435 --> 00:10:45,520 Perhaps. 159 00:10:45,603 --> 00:10:47,564 Thanks for your time, Doctor. We appreciate it. 160 00:10:47,647 --> 00:10:48,648 Of course. 161 00:10:51,818 --> 00:10:54,529 Well, that's the last time we give them advanced notice. 162 00:11:15,466 --> 00:11:16,509 Holden? 163 00:11:17,552 --> 00:11:19,387 Ever feel like you're on the cusp of something, 164 00:11:19,470 --> 00:11:21,389 and it keeps spinning out in your head? 165 00:11:22,432 --> 00:11:24,809 - Where'd you get that ironing board? - Your closet. 166 00:11:24,893 --> 00:11:27,228 I just can't stop thinking about this project. 167 00:11:27,312 --> 00:11:29,439 Dr. Carr said it could have far-reaching consequences. 168 00:11:29,522 --> 00:11:32,025 Why are you up? Did you smoke my pot? 169 00:11:32,108 --> 00:11:35,528 I can't stop thinking about this project. The idea is so exciting. 170 00:11:38,948 --> 00:11:39,949 Okay. 171 00:11:41,326 --> 00:11:43,828 Just don't wake me up when you come back to bed. 172 00:11:44,579 --> 00:11:46,039 Rissell's an hour or so away, 173 00:11:46,122 --> 00:11:48,208 so we don't have to do Road School to get to him. 174 00:11:49,042 --> 00:11:51,878 There's, uh... Vaughn Greenwood. 175 00:11:51,961 --> 00:11:54,589 - The Skid Row Slasher? - Yeah, he's in California. 176 00:11:54,672 --> 00:11:56,132 Along with Herbert Mullin. 177 00:11:56,799 --> 00:11:58,384 The Cincinnati Strangler... 178 00:11:58,468 --> 00:12:00,345 - What's his name? - Posteal Laskey Jr. 179 00:12:00,428 --> 00:12:02,847 - I assume he's in Cincinnati? - Uh... 180 00:12:03,148 --> 00:12:04,182 Yeah. 181 00:12:04,265 --> 00:12:07,602 I like teaching the Midwest cops. Hospitable guys. 182 00:12:07,685 --> 00:12:09,270 There's always Richard Speck in Illinois. 183 00:12:09,354 --> 00:12:12,440 - Great, we can do a Midwest sweep. - Gerard John Schaefer. 184 00:12:12,523 --> 00:12:15,568 He killed at least 30, they think. That was in Florida, though. 185 00:12:15,652 --> 00:12:17,487 I can't say no to a Florida golf course. 186 00:12:26,855 --> 00:12:27,914 Bill Tench. 187 00:12:27,997 --> 00:12:30,750 - Hey, Bill. It's Roy Carver. - Hey, Roy. What can I do for you? 188 00:12:30,833 --> 00:12:33,002 We need to talk. There's been another attack. 189 00:12:33,086 --> 00:12:34,671 This time resulting in a fatality. 190 00:12:36,881 --> 00:12:39,008 - Got it. - Can I get you guys back out here? 191 00:12:39,092 --> 00:12:40,843 Okay. Let me get back to you. 192 00:12:42,845 --> 00:12:44,847 - What's up? - Carver. 193 00:12:44,931 --> 00:12:45,931 Been another one. 194 00:12:45,932 --> 00:12:48,768 Same age as Rosemary Gonzales, only this time she's dead. 195 00:12:50,436 --> 00:12:53,189 Bill, my God! We're vindicated. 196 00:12:53,272 --> 00:12:55,775 What's the matter with you? An old lady was just murdered. 197 00:12:59,278 --> 00:13:00,989 We can talk to Kemper again. 198 00:13:07,203 --> 00:13:09,497 Did she have a dog? Please tell me there's a dog. 199 00:13:09,580 --> 00:13:12,166 A bigger dog. Slit from ear to ear. 200 00:13:12,250 --> 00:13:14,127 Amen. 201 00:13:15,795 --> 00:13:17,880 Not only is this exactly what we predicted, 202 00:13:17,964 --> 00:13:20,049 but he's getting a taste for it, there will be more. 203 00:13:20,133 --> 00:13:21,467 A sequence killer. 204 00:13:21,551 --> 00:13:22,802 A sequence killer? 205 00:13:22,885 --> 00:13:24,887 What we're calling it when they kill three or more. 206 00:13:24,971 --> 00:13:28,391 Is this a new classification? Need to get a steno to put it in writing. 207 00:13:28,474 --> 00:13:29,892 You bet. I'll talk to Marge. 208 00:13:30,435 --> 00:13:32,395 This is what you were talking about with the Kemper thing? 209 00:13:32,478 --> 00:13:33,851 We briefed them with a description. 210 00:13:33,852 --> 00:13:35,481 We need to make sure they bring him in. 211 00:13:35,565 --> 00:13:38,359 - It's what we predicted. - Thank you, Holden. I've been listening. 212 00:13:38,443 --> 00:13:41,779 - We have to make this right. - I agree. You do now. 213 00:13:43,156 --> 00:13:45,825 What are you waiting for? You got a plane to catch. 214 00:13:46,326 --> 00:13:47,360 Yes, sir. 215 00:14:07,972 --> 00:14:09,307 Name was Laura Conway. 216 00:14:09,390 --> 00:14:12,310 Living literally half a mile away, practically up the street. 217 00:14:12,393 --> 00:14:14,272 Same thing exactly, same time of night 218 00:14:14,273 --> 00:14:15,438 that Rosemary Gonzales was attacked, 219 00:14:15,521 --> 00:14:16,551 about 10:30 or 11:00. 220 00:14:16,564 --> 00:14:17,604 What about the dog? 221 00:14:17,607 --> 00:14:19,203 A dog like that must've put up a fight. 222 00:14:19,204 --> 00:14:20,985 Your unsub will have bite marks. 223 00:14:21,778 --> 00:14:22,945 The dog's fucking lasagna. 224 00:14:23,029 --> 00:14:24,405 We rousted a bunch of kids, 225 00:14:24,489 --> 00:14:26,052 had an 18-year-old from the neighborhood we liked, 226 00:14:26,053 --> 00:14:27,617 but he had an alibi. 227 00:14:27,700 --> 00:14:29,410 - What was it? - He's a fry cook. 228 00:14:29,494 --> 00:14:32,038 Clocked in till midnight, his coworkers vouch for him. 229 00:14:32,121 --> 00:14:33,581 You spoke to his boss? 230 00:14:33,664 --> 00:14:35,958 Yeah, one of these new burger joints. Big corporate set up. 231 00:14:36,042 --> 00:14:37,251 Like McDonald's? 232 00:14:37,335 --> 00:14:39,670 - Actually, I don't remember. - We might have to rethink. 233 00:14:39,754 --> 00:14:41,214 Look at that dog. 234 00:14:42,215 --> 00:14:45,718 Someone had a good fucking grip on it, damn near eviscerated. 235 00:14:46,803 --> 00:14:49,555 Now this woman wasn't as frail as Mrs. Gonzales. 236 00:14:49,639 --> 00:14:51,808 Whoever did this wasn't easily scared off. 237 00:14:53,851 --> 00:14:55,228 - Older. - And determined. 238 00:14:55,311 --> 00:14:57,563 I don't understand the sexual assault part. 239 00:14:57,647 --> 00:15:00,400 - Why just groping? Why not rape her? - Because he didn't want to. 240 00:15:00,483 --> 00:15:02,860 He just wanted to dominate and humiliate her. 241 00:15:02,944 --> 00:15:06,114 - That's one sick son of a bitch. - Supposing he's 35, 40. 242 00:15:06,197 --> 00:15:08,366 Supposing these women are his mom's age... 243 00:15:08,449 --> 00:15:10,993 - It's a mom thing. - Wait, 40? Did I just hear you correctly? 244 00:15:11,077 --> 00:15:13,830 - This is not a kid. - I've been rounding up teenagers. 245 00:15:13,913 --> 00:15:16,499 This time wasn't as frenzied. It's not a teenager. 246 00:15:16,582 --> 00:15:19,961 Sacramento DA reamed my ass for hassling busboys, 247 00:15:20,044 --> 00:15:21,295 and you've changed your mind? 248 00:15:21,379 --> 00:15:24,173 It's not a one-off. This isn't some random freak-out. 249 00:15:24,257 --> 00:15:26,509 - This guy is getting confident. - At least late 20s. 250 00:15:26,592 --> 00:15:29,762 Physically mature. Emotionally immature. Socially undeveloped. 251 00:15:29,846 --> 00:15:32,432 - Possibly still lives at home. - Narcotics, maybe. 252 00:15:32,515 --> 00:15:35,143 That's why he beat her this badly, didn't know when to stop. 253 00:15:35,226 --> 00:15:36,310 - You think? - Why not? 254 00:15:36,394 --> 00:15:38,688 Not if he lives at home. Maybe he's married. 255 00:15:38,771 --> 00:15:40,773 - Or separated. - Separated? 256 00:15:40,857 --> 00:15:42,900 Guys in unhappy marriages have hair triggers. 257 00:15:42,984 --> 00:15:45,278 They lash out. Especially when it comes to women. 258 00:15:45,361 --> 00:15:48,322 - I wouldn't know anything about that. - Lucky you. 259 00:15:48,406 --> 00:15:50,950 You guys still think he's white? Not Latino? Black? 260 00:15:52,326 --> 00:15:56,414 I think blacks, Latinos might be too respectful of an elderly woman. 261 00:15:56,497 --> 00:16:00,126 - My bet is poor white trash. - Listen, we did talk to some older guys. 262 00:16:00,209 --> 00:16:02,462 And this one right here is pretty interesting. 263 00:16:04,172 --> 00:16:05,882 Just came walking up off the street. 264 00:16:05,965 --> 00:16:08,384 "Hey, what happened? Did anybody see?" He'd been drinking. 265 00:16:08,468 --> 00:16:10,803 One of these guys who likes talking to cops, you know. 266 00:16:14,849 --> 00:16:15,933 We should talk to him. 267 00:16:17,477 --> 00:16:18,536 Sure. 268 00:16:34,869 --> 00:16:36,746 Mom. 269 00:16:39,081 --> 00:16:40,082 Good morning. 270 00:16:41,083 --> 00:16:42,502 Do you remember me? 271 00:16:42,585 --> 00:16:44,086 Yeah, I remember you. 272 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:46,914 Mom! 273 00:16:51,344 --> 00:16:52,803 Ma'am, I'm Detective Roy Carver. 274 00:16:52,887 --> 00:16:54,972 These are my colleagues, Bill Tench and Holden Ford. 275 00:16:55,056 --> 00:16:56,557 - Hello. - What do you want? 276 00:16:56,641 --> 00:16:57,767 It's Dwight, right? 277 00:16:57,850 --> 00:17:00,686 - What do you want with him? - These gentlemen are with the FBI. 278 00:17:01,687 --> 00:17:03,689 Well, now what has he done? 279 00:17:03,773 --> 00:17:06,776 Who the hell have you brought into my home? 280 00:17:07,902 --> 00:17:08,986 May we come in? 281 00:17:18,037 --> 00:17:20,081 FBI knocking at my door. 282 00:17:22,333 --> 00:17:24,877 I might as well be dead for all he cares. 283 00:17:24,961 --> 00:17:27,672 Just kill me now because that is what you're doing. 284 00:17:27,755 --> 00:17:29,507 And it is a slow death. 285 00:17:30,007 --> 00:17:33,302 He's my only son. I might as well walk up to the freeway, 286 00:17:33,386 --> 00:17:37,431 stick my head under a truck and save myself the misery. 287 00:17:39,225 --> 00:17:41,519 We'd just like to ask Dwight a few questions. 288 00:17:41,602 --> 00:17:42,937 Are these yours, Dwight? 289 00:17:43,020 --> 00:17:47,567 You'd think he'd be out of my hair by now. Move the fuck on, but no. 290 00:17:48,401 --> 00:17:51,445 - You sleep on the couch? - When he's not too drunk to get up there. 291 00:17:53,114 --> 00:17:55,992 Maybe we can talk outside, Dwight. Have a smoke. 292 00:17:56,075 --> 00:17:57,159 Take him. 293 00:17:57,743 --> 00:18:00,871 Just give me a fucking moment to breathe. 294 00:18:10,881 --> 00:18:11,941 Cigarette? 295 00:18:16,721 --> 00:18:17,847 Nice lady. 296 00:18:19,223 --> 00:18:20,433 Real maternal. 297 00:18:27,273 --> 00:18:28,816 You have a lot of friends, Dwight? 298 00:18:29,692 --> 00:18:30,860 Do you? 299 00:18:32,862 --> 00:18:36,198 I saw a dog leash in the house, but I don't see a dog around here. 300 00:18:44,915 --> 00:18:46,250 You got a girlfriend? 301 00:18:48,169 --> 00:18:49,670 Must be tough bringing a girl home, 302 00:18:49,754 --> 00:18:51,714 with your old lady breathing down your neck. 303 00:18:52,882 --> 00:18:54,050 - No. - No? 304 00:18:54,634 --> 00:18:55,718 It's not hard? 305 00:18:56,719 --> 00:18:58,137 I don't have a girlfriend. 306 00:18:58,220 --> 00:19:00,431 Good-looking guy like you? I don't believe you. 307 00:19:00,514 --> 00:19:03,267 You trying to suck me off? 308 00:19:03,851 --> 00:19:06,103 Put it this way, you never had a girlfriend? 309 00:19:08,689 --> 00:19:09,857 One time. 310 00:19:10,316 --> 00:19:11,525 What happened? 311 00:19:12,443 --> 00:19:13,736 She got pregnant. 312 00:19:14,820 --> 00:19:18,074 My mom decided we were too young to get married, told her parents. 313 00:19:18,157 --> 00:19:19,575 She ratted you out. 314 00:19:21,786 --> 00:19:22,828 What happened to the kid? 315 00:19:23,829 --> 00:19:25,915 - She got a scrape. - Scrape? 316 00:19:26,374 --> 00:19:27,416 Abortion. 317 00:19:27,500 --> 00:19:30,211 - How old were you? - Twenty. 318 00:19:30,294 --> 00:19:32,463 - How old was she? - Twenty. 319 00:19:32,546 --> 00:19:35,966 That doesn't seem too young to me. Did you love her? 320 00:19:37,176 --> 00:19:39,303 I don't know. What kind of fucking question is that? 321 00:19:39,387 --> 00:19:41,555 I'm curious. Humor me. 322 00:19:41,639 --> 00:19:43,808 Well, "I don't know," is the answer. 323 00:19:44,850 --> 00:19:46,268 Do you think she loved you? 324 00:19:50,314 --> 00:19:53,275 - You okay there, Dwight? - What? 325 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,736 Looks like you've been going at your arm pretty good. 326 00:19:57,071 --> 00:19:58,280 You get in a scrap? 327 00:19:58,948 --> 00:20:01,283 - No. - Let me see your arm. 328 00:20:04,453 --> 00:20:05,913 How'd you get those scratches? 329 00:20:05,996 --> 00:20:07,790 I get drunk. I don't know. 330 00:20:07,873 --> 00:20:09,792 I've never seen alcohol give a guy scratches. 331 00:20:10,334 --> 00:20:12,336 I bump into things, I guess. 332 00:20:12,420 --> 00:20:13,479 Like what? 333 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,383 I got them from a piece of wood. 334 00:20:18,008 --> 00:20:20,386 - It's fine, I'm fine. - Let me look at that again, Dwight. 335 00:20:25,725 --> 00:20:26,976 I don't have a dog. 336 00:20:28,102 --> 00:20:31,105 - She's the one with the dog, not me. - Your mom? 337 00:20:32,732 --> 00:20:33,766 Dwight. 338 00:20:36,402 --> 00:20:39,405 Why don't you tell us right now how you got those scratches 339 00:20:39,989 --> 00:20:42,950 so you don't lie to an FBI agent, okay? 340 00:20:44,493 --> 00:20:49,123 I got them from a piece of wood. 341 00:20:54,253 --> 00:20:56,756 - Is it just you and her in there? - And Jesse. 342 00:20:56,839 --> 00:20:58,174 Who's Jesse? 343 00:20:58,257 --> 00:20:59,592 Some guy. 344 00:21:03,471 --> 00:21:05,681 - Not a big smoker? - I smoke. 345 00:21:06,682 --> 00:21:09,268 Doesn't it get cramped in there, the three of you all together? 346 00:21:10,811 --> 00:21:13,439 - I guess. - Is that new? Jesse staying with you? 347 00:21:15,441 --> 00:21:16,942 A few weeks. 348 00:21:18,444 --> 00:21:22,072 They just met or whatever. 349 00:21:22,531 --> 00:21:24,492 - I don't know. - That room's close by. 350 00:21:24,575 --> 00:21:26,827 Is that kinda weird, hearing your mom and her boyfriend? 351 00:21:26,911 --> 00:21:29,497 - No. - That would drive me crazy. 352 00:21:29,580 --> 00:21:31,207 She sounds like she's hard to please. 353 00:21:31,290 --> 00:21:34,043 - Does he do what she wants? - She doesn't know what she wants. 354 00:21:34,126 --> 00:21:35,144 No? 355 00:21:36,879 --> 00:21:41,467 Who just meets a guy, then she moves him right in, you know? 356 00:21:41,550 --> 00:21:43,719 - Kind of fucking weird. - You ever talk to her about it? 357 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:44,720 What? 358 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,722 She made you get an abortion with your girl. 359 00:21:46,806 --> 00:21:49,058 Do you get a say in her romantic life? 360 00:21:50,476 --> 00:21:51,724 I mean, he's living right next to you. 361 00:21:51,725 --> 00:21:53,979 Do you get a say in hearing them fuck? 362 00:21:54,063 --> 00:21:55,387 I think that would piss me off, 363 00:21:55,388 --> 00:21:57,566 if my mom told me what to do all the time. 364 00:21:57,650 --> 00:21:59,443 Get an abortion, get her this, get her that. 365 00:21:59,527 --> 00:22:01,570 Yeah. You let your mom treat you like that? 366 00:22:01,654 --> 00:22:04,573 - Don't you stick up for yourself? - I stick up for myself. 367 00:22:04,657 --> 00:22:06,951 - Didn't hear you doing that. - Didn't hear him say anything. 368 00:22:07,034 --> 00:22:09,078 I stand my ground. I'm no pussy. 369 00:22:09,161 --> 00:22:12,456 I'm not saying you're a pussy. Why do you stand there and take it? 370 00:22:12,540 --> 00:22:15,626 - You don't know what you're talking about. - You ever cuss her out? 371 00:22:16,126 --> 00:22:18,295 - I give as good as I get. - What does that mean? 372 00:22:18,379 --> 00:22:21,549 - You ever been in a fight? - Maybe. 373 00:22:21,632 --> 00:22:24,260 - But not with Mom, right? Mom's different. - You only have one mom. 374 00:22:24,343 --> 00:22:27,346 Never laid a finger on her. Didn't raise a hand, of course not. 375 00:22:27,429 --> 00:22:29,890 Raise a hand to your mom, it all goes to shit, right? 376 00:22:37,898 --> 00:22:40,901 - You ever lost control? - Uh-uh. 377 00:22:40,985 --> 00:22:43,529 - Not with her, leastways. - "Not with her"? 378 00:22:43,612 --> 00:22:46,907 Makes sense, you need to let off steam, show her who's boss. 379 00:22:46,991 --> 00:22:48,367 You'd never hurt your old lady... 380 00:22:48,450 --> 00:22:50,869 You'd never hurt her because she loves you. 381 00:23:01,463 --> 00:23:03,841 Florin residents can rest easier tonight. 382 00:23:03,924 --> 00:23:07,052 Sacramento Police have arrested 30-year-old Dwight Taylor 383 00:23:07,136 --> 00:23:10,389 in connection with a recent pair of sadistic assaults. 384 00:23:10,472 --> 00:23:13,517 Police say Taylor, himself a resident of the sleepy suburb, 385 00:23:13,601 --> 00:23:16,687 beat Rosemary Gonzales, 74, into a coma, 386 00:23:16,770 --> 00:23:19,481 and stabbed to death Laura Conway, 64. 387 00:23:19,565 --> 00:23:21,734 The victims lived less than a mile apart. 388 00:23:21,817 --> 00:23:23,130 In a disturbing twist, 389 00:23:23,131 --> 00:23:25,613 after viciously attacking his elderly victims... 390 00:23:32,536 --> 00:23:34,246 All right, all right, all right. 391 00:23:34,788 --> 00:23:37,958 Listen, everybody in this room remembers when they were a little kid, 392 00:23:38,292 --> 00:23:40,252 when they figured out they wanted to be a cop. 393 00:23:41,337 --> 00:23:43,547 I knew I wanted to be a detective in the third grade 394 00:23:43,631 --> 00:23:47,051 when I read A Study in Scarlet by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. 395 00:23:48,260 --> 00:23:49,762 Well, this guy right here? 396 00:23:50,971 --> 00:23:53,891 - He's the modern-day Sherlock Holmes. - Absolutely! 397 00:23:55,225 --> 00:23:57,853 And that makes you Dr. Watson. 398 00:23:57,936 --> 00:23:59,104 Thank you. 399 00:23:59,188 --> 00:24:00,773 No shit. 400 00:24:00,856 --> 00:24:03,692 Either that or you guys are psychic. 401 00:24:03,776 --> 00:24:06,111 Hey, don't laugh. There's a lot of psychics in California 402 00:24:06,195 --> 00:24:08,280 - and they all want to be cops. - Yeah! 403 00:24:08,364 --> 00:24:11,158 All the cops want to be feds, all the feds want to be... 404 00:24:11,241 --> 00:24:13,661 I don't know what. 405 00:24:13,744 --> 00:24:16,789 Oh! He's gonna make a speech. Inform us, oh, wise one. 406 00:24:16,872 --> 00:24:18,415 Speech! 407 00:24:18,499 --> 00:24:20,417 - Thank you. - Speech! 408 00:24:20,501 --> 00:24:23,128 I just wanted to say thank you for having this get-together. 409 00:24:23,212 --> 00:24:25,538 And Roy, thank you for acknowledging 410 00:24:25,539 --> 00:24:26,715 what my partner Bill and I are doing. 411 00:24:29,802 --> 00:24:32,388 And for embracing that, if we all work together, 412 00:24:33,389 --> 00:24:35,449 we can venture into the blackest night 413 00:24:35,450 --> 00:24:37,267 and shine a light on the darkness. 414 00:24:41,230 --> 00:24:43,649 I'm talking about real darkness. 415 00:24:45,109 --> 00:24:47,945 And thanks for the beer. 416 00:24:48,028 --> 00:24:49,446 We were happy to help. 417 00:24:50,197 --> 00:24:51,990 Congratulations, guys. 418 00:24:52,074 --> 00:24:53,492 Good work. 419 00:25:01,083 --> 00:25:03,335 If only you could shine a light on the darkness, 420 00:25:03,419 --> 00:25:06,797 you could illuminate my keys. 421 00:25:11,093 --> 00:25:13,178 Very, very funny. 422 00:25:30,863 --> 00:25:32,072 Dynamite! 423 00:25:32,156 --> 00:25:34,074 Okay. You got us. 424 00:25:34,783 --> 00:25:35,784 Good job. 425 00:25:44,084 --> 00:25:46,962 Yeah, I wanted to hear how you're doing. That's all. 426 00:25:51,717 --> 00:25:52,885 His teacher? 427 00:25:59,808 --> 00:26:00,976 I'm sorry to hear that. 428 00:26:04,688 --> 00:26:06,690 No, I don't think we'll be back in time. 429 00:26:10,235 --> 00:26:11,236 So... 430 00:26:14,490 --> 00:26:17,576 Okay. I just wanted to hear your voice. 431 00:26:19,077 --> 00:26:20,579 Give him a kiss from Dad. 432 00:26:23,248 --> 00:26:24,416 Love you too. 433 00:26:34,301 --> 00:26:35,344 I'm sorry, Ed, 434 00:26:35,427 --> 00:26:38,555 do you mean that violence in the movies drove you to kill those women? 435 00:26:38,639 --> 00:26:39,669 No. 436 00:26:39,681 --> 00:26:43,811 My point is, in reality, it doesn't work the way you expect. 437 00:26:43,894 --> 00:26:47,147 When you stab somebody, they're supposed to fall dead. 438 00:26:47,231 --> 00:26:48,271 They go, "Oh... " 439 00:26:48,273 --> 00:26:50,609 - And they fall dead, right? - Right. 440 00:26:50,692 --> 00:26:54,279 In reality, when you stab somebody, they lose blood pressure 441 00:26:54,363 --> 00:26:57,616 and they leak to death very slowly. 442 00:26:57,699 --> 00:27:00,410 So I was reluctant, I didn't enjoy it. 443 00:27:01,703 --> 00:27:03,205 Did you get that on tape? 444 00:27:03,872 --> 00:27:04,890 Yeah. 445 00:27:08,001 --> 00:27:09,962 You know, it all really goes back 446 00:27:10,045 --> 00:27:15,259 to my perceived inability to communicate socially, sexually. 447 00:27:16,134 --> 00:27:19,721 I was scared to death of failing in male-female relationships, 448 00:27:19,805 --> 00:27:22,057 even sitting down to talk to a young lady. 449 00:27:23,475 --> 00:27:25,143 I wanted to communicate. 450 00:27:25,686 --> 00:27:28,897 Ironically enough, that's why I began picking people up. 451 00:27:28,981 --> 00:27:30,649 I pick a girl up 452 00:27:30,732 --> 00:27:33,068 and I'm going a little further each time. 453 00:27:33,151 --> 00:27:35,153 It's a daring kind of a thing. 454 00:27:35,237 --> 00:27:37,447 Like, first, there wasn't a gun. 455 00:27:37,531 --> 00:27:39,408 Then I'm driving along, 456 00:27:39,491 --> 00:27:42,452 we go to a vulnerable place where there aren't people watching, 457 00:27:42,536 --> 00:27:43,871 but I say, "No, I can't." 458 00:27:43,954 --> 00:27:46,123 So you picked up women but didn't kill them? 459 00:27:46,206 --> 00:27:49,042 But then, a gun is in the car, 460 00:27:49,126 --> 00:27:50,878 and this craving, 461 00:27:50,961 --> 00:27:54,506 this awful raging, eating feeling is inside me. 462 00:27:55,757 --> 00:27:57,467 I would've loved to have just raped them, 463 00:27:58,051 --> 00:28:00,554 but not having any experience at all, 464 00:28:01,054 --> 00:28:04,975 I could feel it consuming my insides, this fantastic passion. 465 00:28:05,058 --> 00:28:06,935 Fantastic passion? 466 00:28:07,019 --> 00:28:10,272 - It's a good phrase, no? - Then what happens? 467 00:28:10,355 --> 00:28:12,316 You know, I'm thinking of writing my own book. 468 00:28:12,399 --> 00:28:15,360 I've been trying to get a typewriter. Maybe help me with that? 469 00:28:15,444 --> 00:28:17,404 I'm sure we could pull some strings. 470 00:28:17,696 --> 00:28:19,281 Then it builds, the feeling? 471 00:28:19,364 --> 00:28:20,949 At some point, you begin to... 472 00:28:21,408 --> 00:28:23,243 - enjoy the thrill. - Look... 473 00:28:24,077 --> 00:28:26,204 when you slit a person's throat, 474 00:28:26,288 --> 00:28:28,332 you need to cut it from ear to ear 475 00:28:28,415 --> 00:28:31,376 in order to sever the windpipe and the jugular 476 00:28:31,460 --> 00:28:33,712 so that they bleed and suffocate at the same time. 477 00:28:33,795 --> 00:28:35,881 Otherwise, they'll just be in a great deal of pain. 478 00:28:37,299 --> 00:28:39,718 That's how I learnt the term "ear to ear," 479 00:28:39,801 --> 00:28:41,094 literally, what that meant. 480 00:28:41,178 --> 00:28:43,513 People think it's just an expression. 481 00:28:43,597 --> 00:28:45,474 It's not, it's an instruction. 482 00:28:45,557 --> 00:28:48,310 You don't want to. You have to. 483 00:28:48,393 --> 00:28:49,770 So there's no pleasure, Ed? 484 00:28:49,853 --> 00:28:51,104 Sure there is. 485 00:28:51,188 --> 00:28:53,982 I just wanted the exaltation over the party. 486 00:28:54,608 --> 00:28:56,443 In other words, winning over death. 487 00:28:57,027 --> 00:28:59,821 They were dead and I was alive. That was the pleasure. 488 00:28:59,905 --> 00:29:02,616 I was the hunter, they were my victims. 489 00:29:02,699 --> 00:29:04,743 So how did you feel after your first kills? 490 00:29:11,416 --> 00:29:13,502 I liked Mary the best. 491 00:29:13,585 --> 00:29:15,504 I was lukewarm on Anita. 492 00:29:17,214 --> 00:29:18,507 What was wrong with her? 493 00:29:19,049 --> 00:29:20,509 Oh, nothing in particular. 494 00:29:21,009 --> 00:29:22,844 It was more that Mary was... 495 00:29:25,264 --> 00:29:29,059 I was really quite struck by her personality and her looks, 496 00:29:29,142 --> 00:29:31,687 and there was just almost a reverence there. 497 00:29:31,770 --> 00:29:33,855 - Reverence? - Sure. 498 00:29:34,356 --> 00:29:36,441 Sometimes, afterward, I visited there to be near her 499 00:29:36,525 --> 00:29:38,360 because I loved her and wanted her. 500 00:29:39,027 --> 00:29:40,279 At the murder site? 501 00:29:40,362 --> 00:29:42,364 I've never been much to look at myself, 502 00:29:42,447 --> 00:29:44,866 but I've always gone after the pretty girls. 503 00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:46,034 I bet you're the same. 504 00:29:47,619 --> 00:29:48,620 Sure. 505 00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:51,540 You probably can't imagine this, 506 00:29:51,623 --> 00:29:54,543 but since I was locked up from age 15 to 21 507 00:29:54,626 --> 00:29:56,712 for the murder of my grandparents, 508 00:29:56,795 --> 00:30:00,257 I was very much out of touch with women my own age. 509 00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:04,344 When I got back on the street, it was like being on a strange planet. 510 00:30:04,928 --> 00:30:07,556 I had been living with people older than I was for so long, 511 00:30:07,639 --> 00:30:09,141 I was like an old fogy. 512 00:30:09,224 --> 00:30:10,809 That must have been jarring. 513 00:30:10,892 --> 00:30:12,728 You know, when I confessed to the police, 514 00:30:12,811 --> 00:30:14,636 they drove me through California 515 00:30:14,637 --> 00:30:16,815 and we stopped by a diner for some food. 516 00:30:16,898 --> 00:30:19,985 Some attractive young ladies walked by the car. 517 00:30:20,736 --> 00:30:21,903 I vomited. 518 00:30:22,321 --> 00:30:25,741 Right there and then, on the police car, in front of all the cops. 519 00:30:25,824 --> 00:30:26,867 Quite violently. 520 00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:29,453 That was just how I reacted to women. 521 00:30:29,536 --> 00:30:30,912 I had no other way. 522 00:30:31,913 --> 00:30:33,165 Let me ask you something. 523 00:30:35,542 --> 00:30:37,002 Ever talk with anyone about this? 524 00:30:37,878 --> 00:30:39,463 About your inclinations? 525 00:30:41,298 --> 00:30:43,383 Your mom... maybe? 526 00:30:44,009 --> 00:30:46,178 Obviously, not the way you're talking to us. 527 00:30:48,555 --> 00:30:51,099 If I could get a word in edgewise, 528 00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:54,353 everything would have been different. 529 00:30:54,436 --> 00:30:56,677 From the moment I woke up in the morning, 530 00:30:56,678 --> 00:30:58,854 she was demeaning and belittling. 531 00:30:58,857 --> 00:31:00,567 And she knew all of my buttons 532 00:31:00,650 --> 00:31:02,027 because she put them there. 533 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,197 I was her toy all my life, 534 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,075 right up until the moment I cut off her head with a hunting knife. 535 00:31:10,702 --> 00:31:11,703 Ed... 536 00:31:13,163 --> 00:31:15,207 why did you do what you did... 537 00:31:16,875 --> 00:31:17,959 with her head? 538 00:31:20,545 --> 00:31:21,963 Why does anyone? 539 00:31:23,965 --> 00:31:26,009 You know, that night I walked up to her bed. 540 00:31:26,093 --> 00:31:27,786 She's laying there reading a paperback, 541 00:31:27,787 --> 00:31:30,472 as many thousands of nights before. 542 00:31:31,598 --> 00:31:35,334 She says, "Oh, I suppose you're gonna want to wait up 543 00:31:35,335 --> 00:31:36,812 all night and talk now." 544 00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:39,564 Can you believe that? 545 00:31:40,232 --> 00:31:42,317 "Wait up all night talking." 546 00:31:43,527 --> 00:31:44,569 Shit. 547 00:31:47,406 --> 00:31:49,241 And I knew I was gonna kill her... 548 00:31:50,158 --> 00:31:51,176 you know? 549 00:31:52,327 --> 00:31:54,663 I was honest with myself for the first time. 550 00:31:56,415 --> 00:31:58,458 Because I'm not a lizard, 551 00:31:58,542 --> 00:32:01,920 I'm not from under a rock, I came out of her vagina. 552 00:32:02,587 --> 00:32:03,797 I came out of my mother. 553 00:32:05,006 --> 00:32:08,427 Is it true that you put part of her into the garbage disposal? 554 00:32:10,595 --> 00:32:12,013 Her vocal cords. 555 00:32:12,681 --> 00:32:13,849 Why? 556 00:32:13,932 --> 00:32:15,600 Because I couldn't shut her up. 557 00:32:16,101 --> 00:32:20,188 She wanted to destroy me with words, literally. 558 00:32:20,272 --> 00:32:21,940 So I shut her up for good. 559 00:32:23,275 --> 00:32:26,319 And now, everyone knows it was because of what she did to me, 560 00:32:26,403 --> 00:32:28,947 because of the way she treated her son. 561 00:32:38,582 --> 00:32:39,624 Pizza! 562 00:32:40,542 --> 00:32:41,918 You guys. 563 00:32:44,588 --> 00:32:47,215 Okay. So you get out of the car... 564 00:32:47,507 --> 00:32:50,719 - I just walk into the apartment building. - Anyone around? 565 00:32:50,802 --> 00:32:51,845 So, I'm home, 566 00:32:51,928 --> 00:32:54,014 walking up the stairs to our apartment 567 00:32:54,097 --> 00:32:55,351 with a freshly severed head 568 00:32:55,352 --> 00:32:57,350 draining about a pint of blood into a duffel bag. 569 00:32:57,434 --> 00:33:00,103 You just got it under your arm? Just like that? 570 00:33:00,562 --> 00:33:02,439 - Take another slice. - Thank you. 571 00:33:02,522 --> 00:33:05,233 Then comes this picture postcard, 572 00:33:05,317 --> 00:33:07,444 groovy, happy young couple on the stairs. 573 00:33:07,527 --> 00:33:10,238 - They walk right past me. - Your two worlds are colliding... 574 00:33:10,322 --> 00:33:12,866 My murderous fantasy life and this. 575 00:33:12,949 --> 00:33:16,077 Pretty girl. Pretty name. Kim or something. 576 00:33:16,495 --> 00:33:18,246 Going out on a date with her boyfriend. 577 00:33:18,330 --> 00:33:20,957 And it could just as easily be Kim's head in that bag. 578 00:33:21,041 --> 00:33:22,918 - You're playing God. - Exactly. 579 00:33:23,001 --> 00:33:27,589 And I realized I've never been on a date in my entire life, ever. 580 00:33:28,173 --> 00:33:30,759 And I got in the door and I said to Mom, 581 00:33:30,842 --> 00:33:33,011 "I've never been on a date with a girl, Mom." 582 00:33:33,094 --> 00:33:35,013 - And what did she say? - "Thank God." 583 00:33:35,096 --> 00:33:37,474 - Can you believe that? - What a bitch. 584 00:33:37,557 --> 00:33:40,477 That's when I started burying the heads in the backyard. 585 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,188 - Sure. - Right underneath Mom's bedroom window. 586 00:33:43,271 --> 00:33:46,399 Their faces looking right up at her window while she was at home. 587 00:33:46,483 --> 00:33:48,777 Right under her nose, man. I couldn't help myself. 588 00:33:48,860 --> 00:33:49,878 What the fuck? 589 00:33:50,862 --> 00:33:54,324 I know it's silly, but Mom always liked people to look up to her. 590 00:33:54,407 --> 00:33:56,993 Whoa. 591 00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:40,745 Ugh! 592 00:34:40,829 --> 00:34:42,247 I still smell like Kemper. 593 00:34:43,540 --> 00:34:46,042 Or maybe it's just CMF. 594 00:34:46,126 --> 00:34:48,920 It did smell pretty bad, like a locker room. 595 00:34:49,337 --> 00:34:51,047 Gonna make me lose my appetite. 596 00:35:00,056 --> 00:35:01,057 So... 597 00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:03,226 you like your mom? 598 00:35:05,103 --> 00:35:06,438 Sorry. Not funny. 599 00:35:08,398 --> 00:35:10,525 Yeah. I liked my mom. 600 00:35:11,151 --> 00:35:12,611 But she's not around anymore. 601 00:35:16,448 --> 00:35:17,699 You like your wife? 602 00:35:19,576 --> 00:35:21,620 - Yes, I do. - That's good. 603 00:35:23,204 --> 00:35:26,666 I've known her all my life. I'm not sure what I'd do without her. 604 00:35:27,834 --> 00:35:29,628 - How about that girlfriend? - Yeah. 605 00:35:30,712 --> 00:35:32,547 She's great. Smart. 606 00:35:33,465 --> 00:35:34,674 I think she actually likes me. 607 00:35:36,843 --> 00:35:38,303 Sounds like we got it made. 608 00:35:39,638 --> 00:35:41,306 It feels good, doesn't it? 609 00:35:41,514 --> 00:35:44,476 To fly home having got the bad guy, just like in the movies. 610 00:35:45,143 --> 00:35:47,395 Yeah. It feels good that Dwight's off the street. 611 00:35:47,479 --> 00:35:49,606 But Kemper has a way of tempering that. 612 00:35:50,106 --> 00:35:52,567 He makes you sick to your stomach, doesn't he? 613 00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:54,235 Yes. 614 00:35:54,319 --> 00:35:55,362 More than Dwight? 615 00:35:55,445 --> 00:35:57,355 There's nothing behind Kemper's eyes. 616 00:35:57,356 --> 00:35:59,324 It's like standing near a black hole. 617 00:36:00,909 --> 00:36:03,787 - Right. - And he thinks we're his friends. 618 00:36:03,870 --> 00:36:06,748 Well, he thinks you're his friend. 619 00:36:08,875 --> 00:36:11,127 Which makes you a pretty great FBI agent. 620 00:36:22,055 --> 00:36:24,349 I've been thinking about our conversation with Dr. Carr. 621 00:36:27,602 --> 00:36:28,687 You have? 622 00:36:30,730 --> 00:36:32,190 We're good at this shit, 623 00:36:32,816 --> 00:36:34,442 even if it turns my stomach. 624 00:36:34,984 --> 00:36:37,195 If we're gonna take a backseat to everything new, 625 00:36:37,278 --> 00:36:38,405 everything interesting... 626 00:36:38,488 --> 00:36:39,614 Yeah. 627 00:36:39,698 --> 00:36:42,075 If she really thinks the idea is that good, 628 00:36:42,158 --> 00:36:45,662 that it has that much potential to change people's lives... 629 00:36:46,871 --> 00:36:49,040 - Yeah? - ... maybe we should invite her down. 630 00:36:49,499 --> 00:36:52,001 Just for a day, to strategize. 631 00:36:53,002 --> 00:36:54,838 I think that's a fantastic idea. 632 00:36:54,921 --> 00:36:56,965 At least we could compile what we have so far 633 00:36:57,048 --> 00:36:59,759 and create a plan so if we want to talk to Shepard... 634 00:36:59,843 --> 00:37:01,052 So we can be prepared. 635 00:37:03,555 --> 00:37:04,723 It's a long shot. 636 00:37:05,306 --> 00:37:06,474 He hates you already. 637 00:37:07,767 --> 00:37:09,602 He's beginning to hate you, too. 638 00:37:12,397 --> 00:37:13,398 Right. 639 00:37:14,983 --> 00:37:16,609 So why half-ass it? 640 00:37:18,945 --> 00:37:22,031 Dwight would have kept doing it, just like Kemper, 641 00:37:22,115 --> 00:37:24,451 until he finally made his way to the source. 642 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,662 It's kind of prosaic that it's always the mother. 643 00:37:28,246 --> 00:37:32,000 It was the mother, but in a very different way. 644 00:37:33,126 --> 00:37:34,127 More... 645 00:37:34,961 --> 00:37:36,212 love. 646 00:37:36,296 --> 00:37:37,881 If you can even call it that. 647 00:37:38,590 --> 00:37:39,674 Was she hot? 648 00:37:40,216 --> 00:37:41,885 - Who? - His mom? 649 00:37:41,968 --> 00:37:43,803 Ugh... 650 00:37:44,971 --> 00:37:46,990 Guys in my high school thought my mom was hot 651 00:37:46,991 --> 00:37:49,142 and it always really disgusted me. 652 00:37:49,684 --> 00:37:50,761 But then she went through chemo 653 00:37:50,762 --> 00:37:52,729 and nobody made jokes about her anymore 654 00:37:52,812 --> 00:37:55,815 - and it kind of made me sad. - I didn't know your mom had cancer. 655 00:37:56,316 --> 00:37:59,194 That's why I'm always asking you to grab my boobs when we're fucking. 656 00:37:59,277 --> 00:38:03,782 - Make you check for cancerous lumps. - Oh, is that why? 657 00:38:09,537 --> 00:38:11,790 I can't let these guys rub off on me. 658 00:38:11,873 --> 00:38:14,125 - The way they view sex. - And women. 659 00:38:24,302 --> 00:38:25,553 Thanks for coming. 660 00:38:26,721 --> 00:38:28,139 I needed to see you. 661 00:38:32,519 --> 00:38:34,062 And now that I'm all clean... 662 00:38:37,232 --> 00:38:39,712 If going down on me while I'm filing my nails 663 00:38:39,713 --> 00:38:41,444 is your idea of being kinky... 664 00:38:42,111 --> 00:38:43,238 I'm kinky. 665 00:38:48,451 --> 00:38:49,452 I'm very kinky. 666 00:38:50,995 --> 00:38:53,581 I could impale you with this nail file. 667 00:38:54,457 --> 00:38:56,751 Then I could be a part of your case study. 668 00:38:56,835 --> 00:38:59,337 You would be a very compelling interviewee. 669 00:39:17,063 --> 00:39:19,107 Hey, Kenneth, can I ask you something? 670 00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:20,775 Oh, sure. What's on your mind? 671 00:39:21,025 --> 00:39:23,385 I've, uh, done a bit of thinking about 672 00:39:23,386 --> 00:39:24,821 some of the things that we're teaching. 673 00:39:24,904 --> 00:39:28,032 In particular, the list of deviant terminology. 674 00:39:28,116 --> 00:39:29,158 The cuss words? 675 00:39:29,242 --> 00:39:31,327 Right. Well, I was thinking more the... 676 00:39:32,287 --> 00:39:34,914 - descriptors of the acts. - Uh... 677 00:39:34,998 --> 00:39:36,875 You know, fellatio, cunnilingus... 678 00:39:36,958 --> 00:39:39,002 Okay, what exactly is the issue? 679 00:39:39,085 --> 00:39:41,337 Well, that's just it, Ken. I don't have an issue. 680 00:39:41,754 --> 00:39:43,756 I really don't know that they are deviant. 681 00:39:44,757 --> 00:39:45,800 Anal violation? 682 00:39:46,426 --> 00:39:47,552 Well, no, not that one. 683 00:39:47,635 --> 00:39:49,721 - Have you talked to Bill about this? - Oh, sure. 684 00:39:49,804 --> 00:39:51,264 Bill agrees with me. 685 00:39:52,098 --> 00:39:54,100 And you think we should alter the curriculum? 686 00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:56,936 Just... take a look at the list. 687 00:39:57,645 --> 00:39:59,564 - Think about it, okay? - Mm-hmm. Hmm. 688 00:40:03,568 --> 00:40:05,528 - Fuckhead? - You can keep that. 689 00:40:05,612 --> 00:40:06,738 Fuckbag? 690 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:08,281 That, too. 691 00:40:08,364 --> 00:40:09,991 And we're keeping "gang bang"? 692 00:40:10,074 --> 00:40:11,242 What's right is right. 693 00:40:12,118 --> 00:40:13,194 Klismaphilia? 694 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,154 Klisma... what? 695 00:40:15,747 --> 00:40:17,749 Enemas. Either giving or having. 696 00:40:20,001 --> 00:40:21,035 That can stay. 697 00:40:22,921 --> 00:40:26,174 And we're losing "pussy," "dildo," 698 00:40:26,758 --> 00:40:29,302 "fellatio," "cunnilingus." 699 00:40:29,385 --> 00:40:30,720 Are you sure about this? 700 00:40:30,803 --> 00:40:31,843 Yes. 701 00:40:31,846 --> 00:40:32,931 Thank you, Marge. 702 00:40:34,349 --> 00:40:35,433 It's for the best. 703 00:40:36,726 --> 00:40:37,727 All right. 704 00:40:38,603 --> 00:40:40,396 So, you and Dr. Carr go back? 705 00:40:40,980 --> 00:40:43,107 I consulted her on a few cases here and there. 706 00:40:43,191 --> 00:40:45,693 We go back a few years. Why do you ask? 707 00:40:45,777 --> 00:40:46,778 Just curious. 708 00:40:50,323 --> 00:40:51,324 No. 709 00:40:51,407 --> 00:40:53,076 - No? - You know what I mean. 710 00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:55,662 - I didn't mean to imply... - I enjoy being married, thank you. 711 00:40:55,745 --> 00:40:56,955 I didn't mean... 712 00:40:58,790 --> 00:41:00,249 Just... Wendy has something. 713 00:41:00,333 --> 00:41:01,668 Not sexual. 714 00:41:04,045 --> 00:41:05,213 Maybe a little sexual. 715 00:41:05,296 --> 00:41:09,258 But her ideas and her energy, she... I sound like an idiot. 716 00:41:09,801 --> 00:41:11,594 You sound like you have a crush on teacher. 717 00:41:11,678 --> 00:41:15,014 It's just someone like her embracing this project says something. 718 00:41:16,641 --> 00:41:18,935 - Don't you think? - I get it. 719 00:41:19,018 --> 00:41:21,145 Old Man Tench jumps onboard, so what? 720 00:41:21,229 --> 00:41:23,272 Grumpy old Shepard, who cares? 721 00:41:23,356 --> 00:41:25,733 - But the foxy professor... - That's not fair. 722 00:41:27,443 --> 00:41:28,444 That's her. 723 00:41:33,408 --> 00:41:35,034 - Dr. Carr. - Agent Ford. 724 00:41:35,118 --> 00:41:37,161 - Welcome to Quantico. - Thank you. 725 00:41:37,620 --> 00:41:38,705 How was your trip? 726 00:41:39,372 --> 00:41:42,333 It was a little dull to be honest. I was grading papers, but... 727 00:41:42,417 --> 00:41:44,752 We can stop at the cafeteria for a coffee if you like. 728 00:41:44,836 --> 00:41:46,754 No, I'm fine. I had some this morning. 729 00:41:47,922 --> 00:41:49,257 We're just this way. 730 00:41:51,175 --> 00:41:52,552 So what are you teaching? 731 00:41:53,344 --> 00:41:55,555 Um, I'm teaching a class 732 00:41:55,638 --> 00:41:58,099 on the intersection of sociopathy and fame. 733 00:41:58,641 --> 00:42:01,728 People like, um... Andy Warhol, Jim Morrison. 734 00:42:02,020 --> 00:42:05,523 Their celebrity becomes the only thing they need to sustain their ego. 735 00:42:05,606 --> 00:42:08,359 - Nixon was a sociopath. - Very similar. 736 00:42:08,776 --> 00:42:10,778 How do you get to be president of the United States 737 00:42:10,862 --> 00:42:12,113 if you're a sociopath? 738 00:42:12,196 --> 00:42:15,199 The question is, how do you get to be president of the United States 739 00:42:15,283 --> 00:42:17,493 if you're not? 740 00:42:17,577 --> 00:42:21,873 That's why this work is so vital. It goes so much further than the FBI. 741 00:42:21,956 --> 00:42:25,376 - All the way to the White House. - Perhaps, yeah. 742 00:42:25,918 --> 00:42:30,918 - Synced and corrected by chamallow - - www.addic7ed.com -