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Morgan Freeman: Every
morning starts the same.
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Coffee and crossword.
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And every day things
seem to get worse.
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Religious conflict.
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Climate change.
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It all seems so apocalyptic.
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None of this is new, however.
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We've been predicting the
end of the world for
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thousands of years.
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- From nostradamus
- all the way back to the
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book of revelation.
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Something about the drama of
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annihilation seems to grip us.
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Is it just human nature
to worry and wonder about
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the end of days?
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Or is it really coming?
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I'm setting off on a
journey to find out why
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so many religions
predict an apocalypse.
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- Kim Haines-eitzen: This
- beast has a human name,
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it's number is...
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666.
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Morgan Freeman: To discover
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the roots of judgment day.
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- Jodi magness: The suns
- of light shall battle the
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suns of darkness.
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Morgan Freeman: Our
ancient prophecies...
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Yoram hazony: There's no peace
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between us and our neighbors.
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Morgan Freeman:
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Reverberate today.
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Maajid nawaz: If these
guys ever came to power,
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it would be hell on earth.
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Morgan Freeman: And to
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ask whether the end is
really what we imagine...
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Or if it's all
just in our minds.
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My first destination
is Jerusalem.
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The spiritual set of the
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Jews, christians and muslims.
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All three of those fates
predicted Jerusalem
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will play a role in
the end of the world.
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It has long been a flash
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point for religious tensions.
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I've come here to
meet yoram hazony,
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an expert in the politics
and theology of judaism.
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I want to know why the end
of days is so closely
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tied to this city.
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Yoram hazony: You're
looking at the absolute
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epicenter of the
monotheistic world.
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Right over there, that's
the dome of the rock,
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which according to
islamic tradition,
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Muhammad descended to heaven
from right that spot,
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and over there, the...
Of the mount of
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olives and gethsemane
below where Jesus and his
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disciples used to meet,
and of course down here
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is the western wall Plaza,
the holiest shrine,
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prayer location for all of
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the Jewish people in judaism.
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This whole area is
called the temple mount.
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- Morgan Freeman:
- This is the temple mount?
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Yoram hazony: The temple was
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a building seven stories
high, stood on top of
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this temple mount, on
top of that flat area
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where those trees are.
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Morgan Freeman: In 20 BC,
king herod the great,
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build a temple where Jews
could worship their god.
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It was designed to last forever.
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Yoram hazony: Herod says
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we're going to create the most
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spectacular physical structure
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in the entire middle east,
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maybe in the entire world.
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You can see these gigantic
stones at the bottom,
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those are called
herodian stones.
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The Jewish temple to the one
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god stood on top of that
mount before there was
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islam or christianity.
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Morgan Freeman:
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But, in the year 70ad, the
romans sacked Jerusalem
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and demolished the temple.
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In the centuries since,
Jews have come to
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pray at it's remains, the
western or wailing wall.
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It was almost 1900 years
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before the site returned to
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direct Jewish control in 1967.
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We are about 70 years
into the new Israel,
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why hasn't the
temple been rebuilt?
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Yoram hazony: Two reasons.
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One is cause the Jews
aren't ready and the other
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is cause the muslims
aren't ready.
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- The state of - Israel
militarily, politically
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controls this whole area,
but the state of Israel
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gave the temple mount area
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on the top to the muslims.
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Morgan Freeman: While
the top of the mount is
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off limits to Jewish
religious rights,
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there are sacred
spaces underground,
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which yoram says will
help me understand the
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Jewish vision for end times.
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Yoram hazony: This is it.
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We've come to the closest
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that a human being can come
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to the holy of holies, the
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most sacred spot in the world.
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That's the room in the
temple that one human being
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would enter once a
year, the high priest,
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on yom kippur on the holiest
day of the year and
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he would say god's name.
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Morgan Freeman: Orthodox
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Jews believe that without this
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temple, their religious
rights are incomplete.
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So they await the day when
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their temple is rebuilt.
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Is there a Messiah?
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Yoram hazony: In judaism?
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Morgan Freeman: In judaism?
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Yoram hazony: Judaism
invented the Messiah,
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but it's not the same Messiah
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that most people think about.
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Morgan Freeman: Okay.
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- Yoram hazony: 'Cause when
- christians think of the
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- Messiah, they think of
- someone who's divine.
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Morgan Freeman: Yeah.
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- Yoram hazony:
- They think of, you know,
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the end of days.
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- What we have for
- the Messiah is a man,
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a king of this earth was
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going to bring peace among
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the nations in this world.
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- Morgan Freeman: And
- he will not be divine.
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Yoram hazony: He
will not be divine.
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Morgan Freeman: And yoram
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tells me this mortal
Messiah has a very
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specific to do list.
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- Yoram hazony:
- According to Jewish tradition,
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- he has three things
- he is supposed to do.
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Number one, he's gonna
reconstitute the Jewish
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kingdom of the Jewish today.
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Number two, he's gonna bring
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peace with the neighbors.
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And number three, he's
gonna rebuild that temple.
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- Morgan Freeman:
- Rebuild the temple.
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Here we are, this is 2015,
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what are you gonna do now?
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What is contemporary
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Jewish position on the temple?
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Yoram hazony: The Jews think
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of the world in terms of this
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dream that once existed in
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the world that was taken away,
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- the Jews want to bring
- back into the world.
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- Morgan Freeman: That is the
- reconstruction of the temple?
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- Yoram hazony: The
- reconstruction of the temple
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as the crowning symbol of
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this era of justice and peace
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that we're supposed to be
assisting to bring back
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into the world.
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Morgan Freeman: Judaism is
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just one of many religions
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that envisions the coming
of world peace one day.
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But, looking at this
place, where so many
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religions intersect...
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It's hard to imagine
peace coming.
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Rebuilding the temple now
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would almost certainly not
herald an age of peace.
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It would obliterate some of
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the holiest sights in islam.
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In fact, it might even
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trigger an apocalyptic battle.
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But, the idea of a violent
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end of the world is not new.
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2000 years ago, not all
Jews anticipated the
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coming age of peace.
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One Jewish sect
fervently anticipated
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the bloody apocalypse.
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Archaeologist, Jodi magness
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has taken me to the shores
of the dead sea, where
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their ancient prophecies were
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miraculously preserved.
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- Jodi magness:
- Welcome to qumran.
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Morgan Freeman: Qumran?
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- Right, right, this is where
- the scrolls were found, right?
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Jodi magness: That's right.
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The dead sea scrolls were
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found in eleven caves in the
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cliffs surrounding qumran.
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- Morgan Freeman: How
- did they get up there?
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Jodi magness: Well, they were
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deposited in the caves by
the people who lived at
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qumran who were members
of a Jewish sect
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called the essenes.
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Morgan Freeman: Essenes?
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Jodi magness: Uh huh.
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Morgan Freeman: So,
why, why come here?
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- Jodi magness: They came out
- here to the desert because
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they wanted to live
in isolation apart
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from everyone else.
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Morgan Freeman: Jody tells
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me that the essenes settled
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here at qumran around 100bc.
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They believed an epic
battle was coming.
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One that would bring on
the end of the world.
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Thanks to the incredibly
dry climate here,
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their apocalyptic writings
have been preserved
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for more than 2,000 years.
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- Jodi magness: Looking over
- the edge of the cliff here,
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look at what we see below us.
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Morgan Freeman: Holy cow!
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Jodi magness: This cave
is very important.
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Approximately 700 different
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scrolls were found in
this cave including
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fragments of the war scroll.
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- Morgan Freeman:
- The war scrolls,
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what now, what is that?
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Jodi magness: That's the
scroll that describes a
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40 year long apocalyptic war
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and one of the famous lines
from this scroll says,
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"there shall be a war
of terrible carnage.
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The suns of light shall
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battle the suns of darkness
and it shall end in
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eternal redemption."
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- Morgan Freeman: This war
- that they're talking about,
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is that like a call
to revolution?
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Or is it more like
mythological expectation?
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- Jodi magness: When you
- read the war scroll,
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one of the interesting
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things is that it interweaves
real and then what
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seems to us to be fantasy.
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- That the people were
- leading them into battle are
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priests who are dressed
in priestly outfits,
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the fact that they talk
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about angels fighting in their
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midst, but the soldiers
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are equipped in the way
that soldiers at that
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time were equipped, so you
have a combination of
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what seems to be very real,
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combined with things that
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to us seem to be imaginary.
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Morgan Freeman: Like
many doomsday cults,
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the essenes believe
the end was imminent.
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And took precautions to
be ready to meet god
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at any moment.
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Jodi magness: This is
one of the ritual baths
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here at qumran.
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They literally believed
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that god's presence
dwelled in their midst.
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According to
biblical Jewish law,
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- if you enter the
- presence of the god of Israel,
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you have to be in a
state of ritual purity.
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So all of these pools were
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filled by the flash flood
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waters, but water was not
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replenished over the
course of the year, so it
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got pretty gross.
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Nevertheless, it was still
considered pure for the
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purposes of ritual immersion.
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- Morgan Freeman: You
- could probably come close to
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walking on it.
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- Jodi magness: Yeah, you
- could probably cut it with
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a knife at that point.
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Morgan Freeman: So they
were all here preparing
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- themselves for
- the apocalypse?
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Jodi magness: That's right.
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Morgan Freeman: What happened?
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- Jodi magness: Well, the
- apocalypse sort of did arrive,
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but not the kind of apocalypse
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that they anticipated.
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Morgan Freeman: In 68ad,
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their battle with the suns
of darkness took place.
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It was the romans.
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As part of that campaign
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to crush the Jewish revolt
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against their rule, they
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wiped qumran and the
essenes off the map.
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So the romans, armies just
were sweeping past here
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when all of these
people were in the way,
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just get rid of them?
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- Jodi magness:
- That's exactly right.
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The romans were basically
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subduing the entire area.
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- Morgan Freeman: But the idea
- of an apocalyptic battle with
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the forces of darkness did
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not die with the essenes.
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It crept into another faith.
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One that was just being born.
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All roads lead to Rome.
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That's were I want to
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uncover how the Christian idea
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of the end of days began.
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It's most famous book of
prophecy, revelation,
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written around 100ad,
foretells an impending
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battle with the antichrist.
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"Let anyone with
understanding calculate
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the number of the beast, for
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it is the number of a person.
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It's number is 666."
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I want to know if I can
calculate the number
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of the beast.
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I've come to the biblioteca
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casanatense near the Vatican
to meet an expert in
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early christianity.
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Kim Haines-eitzen.
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She tells me she has
compelling evidence that
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reveals the identity
of the beast.
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Good morning.
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So, what exactly
do we have here?
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Kim Haines-eitzen: Well, I've
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been looking at some fragments
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of the book of revelation.
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- Morgan Freeman: The
- book of revelation?
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- Kim Haines-eitzen:
- That's right.
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- Morgan Freeman: The
- book of the end of days.
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- Kim Haines-eitzen:
- The end of days,
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the apocalypse.
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It's a prophetic book,
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it's got loads of symbolism,
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but it's also very much a
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political book and
making a political claim
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about the cause of evil.
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- Morgan Freeman:
- The cause of evil.
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Kim Haines-eitzen: Or who's
responsible for evil.
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- Morgan Freeman: So tell me
- about this coding because as I
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understand it, the antichrist
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was given a code so they would
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never call his name, they
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would just say it by code.
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Kim Haines-eitzen: Well,
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there has been a lot of
debate about what this
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number, in particular,
666, who it refers to.
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There has also been a strong
argument made for 666
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referring to nero.
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Morgan Freeman: Nero was
emperor of Rome from
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54 to 68ad.
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Around the time when the
first christians began to
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arrive in Rome.
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So how do you make 666
translate to nero?
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Kim Haines-eitzen: When you
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apply numerical values to the
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name, kaisar neron and you
add up those numbers,
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you come to 666.
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Morgan Freeman: In ancient
Greek and Hebrew,
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every letter had a
corresponding number.
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If you add up the letters of
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the name for emperor
nero, written in Hebrew,
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kaisar neron, the
total comes to 666.
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But nero is just one of many
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names that can add up to 666.
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Kim believes a later copy of
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the book of revelation
found in an archaeological
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dig in Egypt confirms
the beast is nero.
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Kim Haines-eitzen: One of the
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interesting things about these
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fragments is that we've got
two different numbers.
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- Morgan Freeman: What
- are those letters?
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Kim Haines-eitzen:
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A chi is the 600,
xi 60, sigma a six.
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666.
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This one over here, we
have a chi yota sigma,
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616 with a line over the top.
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- Morgan Freeman:
- Why is it different?
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Kim Haines-eitzen: You
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might think that this number
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destroys the possibility
that it could be nero.
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Morgan Freeman: Yes.
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Kim Haines-eitzen: What's
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striking about this is that
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it may help to confirm the
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identity of nero because this
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will be the number that we
would get if we spelled
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nero according to
the Latin spelling.
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Nero kaiser.
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Without the n, the
letter n represented 50,
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the number 50, so
666 minus 50...
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Morgan Freeman: 616.
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- Kim Haines-eitzen: 616,
- so we've just gone...
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Morgan Freeman: So we just
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subtract and we time up with
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616 and we have the same guy?
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- Kim Haines-eitzen:
- That's right.
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Morgan Freeman: I'm so clever!
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♪ ♪
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But why might early
christians have called nero
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the antichrist?
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Kim brings me to the very
heart of the Vatican.
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St Peter's square to
show me the answer.
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So we know that the
code, 666 refers to
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the emperor, nero.
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Why?
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Kim Haines-eitzen: Emperor
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nero was despised for
many things including
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persecuting christians.
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Now, in the square here,
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you can see an obelisk that
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he arranged to stand at the
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turning point in his circus.
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- Morgan Freeman:
- Circus Maximus.
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Kim Haines-eitzen:
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The circus neroeus.
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Morgan Freeman: Neroneus?
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Kim Haines-eitzen: Yeah,
the circus stood here and
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was a place for
chariot races, games,
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but he also used it then
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for persecuting christians.
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So in 64, there was a major
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fire in Rome and much of the
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city was destroyed, nero
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wound up blaming christians and
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he executed them in great
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numbers as far as we can tell,
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right here in this circus.
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Morgan Freeman: Tradition says
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nero even executed the man
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many considered to be the
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founder of the church in Rome.
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Peter.
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- Kim Haines-eitzen: The story
- about Peter was that he was
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crucified upside down, some
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of them were lit on fire.
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Morgan Freeman: Burning?
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To light the place.
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Kim Haines-eitzen: It explains
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why they despised him so much.
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So now we have the basilica
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of St. Peter standing here
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commemorating his death.
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Morgan Freeman: So the
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irony that this is where
Peter founded the church.
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Kim Haines-eitzen:
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Yeah, it's pretty dramatic.
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- Morgan Freeman: The
- crucifix on which Peter died
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could have been just yards
from where I stand now.
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Obviously, the
christians hated nero.
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He was the antichrist.
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Even after his suicide, it
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appeared that he had the power
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to come back and rule,
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which is why it was
safer to refer to him
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in a secret code.
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But, the christians living
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under the conditions that
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they were living, judgment
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day couldn't come too soon.
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The Christian idea of
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apocalypse took hold under
the oppression of Rome.
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This evil empire had
destroyed Jerusalem and
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persecuted the early
followers of Jesus.
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But, the idea has since
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spread to a different faith.
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It targets a different
evil empire.
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And threatens to engulf
us all in the apocalypse.
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- Morgan Freeman: I'm traveling
- the world to find out why
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billions of people believe
in the end of days.
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My journey has
brought me to islam.
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Islam is an arabic word
that means surrender.
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Submission to god's will.
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The same god the Jews
and Christian worship.
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Meeting muslims face to face,
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I've learned that islam aims
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for people to live in peace.
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But watching the news
today, you'd be forgiven
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for not knowing that.
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A tiny percentage of
muslims are waging war
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against the west.
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Isis and other religious
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extremist groups believe the
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apocalypse has already begun.
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To understand why,
I've come to New York.
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To meet a man who was once
a high level recruiter
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for an apocalyptic
islamist group.
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Maajid nawaz was radicalized
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as a teenager in the uk.
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Please tell me about
that radicalization.
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- Maajid nawaz: I think it's
- important just to distinguish
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between islamism and
islam, a religion.
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What I mean by islamism
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is the desire to impose any
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version of islam over society.
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Although ideology was sold
to me as if it was the
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religion of islam and
that's what I adopted.
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I grew up facing a very, very
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severe form of violent racism,
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domestically within the uk.
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I'm talking hammer attacks,
machete attacks by
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Neo-Nazi skinheads, thugs.
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On many occasions I had to
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watch as my friends
were stabbed before my
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eyes as a 15 year old.
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I began seeing myself as
separate from the rest of
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society and an islamist
recruiter found me in that
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state as a young, angry
teenager and it was
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very easy for that recruiter.
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I joined a group called
hizb ut-tahrir and that's
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the group I spent 13 years
of my leadership on.
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Morgan Freeman: Is that the
precursor to al-qaeda?
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Maajid nawaz: Yes, it's the
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first islamist organization
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that was responsible for
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popularizing the notion
of resurrecting a modern
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day theocratic caliphate,
as we now see that
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Isis has laid claim to.
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But, my former group, they
were the first ones to
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popularize that term.
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I ended up in Egypt where
I continued to recruit
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people to this cause.
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I was eventually arrested
on 1st march in 2002.
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- Maajid nawaz: I was taken
- to the headquarters of the
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state security in Cairo,
down underground in
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their torture dungeons.
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I was blindfolded and
that's when they,
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the worst ordeal began.
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Morgan Freeman: Torture?
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Maajid nawaz: They began
electrocuting everyone.
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Morgan Freeman: You served
four years in prison?
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- Maajid nawaz:
- Four years, yeah.
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Morgan Freeman: And then
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you came out not so radical.
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- Maajid nawaz: I
- am still a Muslim,
519
00:23:54,936 --> 00:23:57,132
but I am now liberal.
520
00:23:57,133 --> 00:23:58,450
Now, when I was in prison
521
00:23:58,451 --> 00:23:59,766
and I was living with the
522
00:23:59,767 --> 00:24:03,066
who's who of the jihadist
terrorist movements and
523
00:24:03,067 --> 00:24:04,399
islamist movements,
524
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,267
- we had a leader of
- the Muslim brotherhood.
525
00:24:06,270 --> 00:24:08,850
When I saw him I thought,
"my god, if these guys
526
00:24:08,851 --> 00:24:11,317
ever came to power and
declared a caliphate,
527
00:24:11,318 --> 00:24:12,666
it would be hell on earth."
528
00:24:12,667 --> 00:24:14,667
- Of course, when Isis
- eventually did declare the
529
00:24:14,670 --> 00:24:16,800
caliphate, that utopian dream
530
00:24:16,801 --> 00:24:20,083
that we all used to share
has become that dystopic
531
00:24:20,084 --> 00:24:21,232
nightmare that we see now.
532
00:24:21,233 --> 00:24:27,000
[Explosions and
[automatic gunfire]
533
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,000
Morgan Freeman: So, lets talk
534
00:24:30,001 --> 00:24:31,799
a little bit about Isis and
535
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,367
the apocalyptic prophecies of
536
00:24:34,368 --> 00:24:36,932
Muhammad and how they're using
537
00:24:36,933 --> 00:24:38,699
that for their purposes.
538
00:24:38,700 --> 00:24:40,900
- Maajid nawaz: Yeah, so there
- were a lot prophecies that
539
00:24:40,903 --> 00:24:43,432
most muslims share in
common with each other.
540
00:24:43,433 --> 00:24:44,883
The difference is what Isis
541
00:24:44,884 --> 00:24:47,767
has done is it's manipulated
those prophecies to
542
00:24:47,768 --> 00:24:50,999
serve its own political
and ideological ends.
543
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,467
So as an example of this
544
00:24:52,468 --> 00:24:53,932
end of times battle that Isis
545
00:24:53,933 --> 00:24:56,666
believes is going to take
place in a small village
546
00:24:56,667 --> 00:24:59,699
called dabiq in Syria.
547
00:24:59,700 --> 00:25:01,067
Now this village, has
548
00:25:01,068 --> 00:25:02,432
absolutely no strategic value,
549
00:25:02,433 --> 00:25:04,232
militarily whatsoever.
550
00:25:04,233 --> 00:25:06,432
Has hardly any economic
strategic value either.
551
00:25:06,433 --> 00:25:08,932
But Isis has nevertheless
committed resources to
552
00:25:08,933 --> 00:25:11,132
conquering this small
village called dabiq.
553
00:25:11,133 --> 00:25:13,832
They believe that the
international community and
554
00:25:13,833 --> 00:25:17,532
the coalition must somehow
be driven to come
555
00:25:17,533 --> 00:25:19,867
and meet them in dabiq
556
00:25:19,868 --> 00:25:22,200
and engage in a final battle.
557
00:25:26,667 --> 00:25:28,167
Morgan Freeman: Would
558
00:25:28,168 --> 00:25:29,666
that be part of the apocalypse
559
00:25:29,667 --> 00:25:31,399
that America would fall?
560
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:32,866
Maajid nawaz: Yeah.
561
00:25:32,867 --> 00:25:34,533
- Now there's a
- prophecy of the prophet,
562
00:25:34,536 --> 00:25:36,000
Muhammad that says that
563
00:25:36,001 --> 00:25:37,466
constantinople will fall first
564
00:25:37,467 --> 00:25:39,100
and then Rome will, so Isis
565
00:25:39,101 --> 00:25:40,732
has interpreted this piece of
566
00:25:40,733 --> 00:25:43,066
scripture that because
constantinople has already
567
00:25:43,067 --> 00:25:44,634
fallen to muslims, that
568
00:25:44,635 --> 00:25:46,199
the next big battle will be
569
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:47,384
against the west and the
570
00:25:47,385 --> 00:25:48,566
west will eventually fall.
571
00:25:48,567 --> 00:25:50,766
The idea would be that
actually in fact,
572
00:25:50,767 --> 00:25:52,567
- that America today
- represents Rome.
573
00:25:52,570 --> 00:25:54,032
Morgan Freeman: Ah-ha.
574
00:25:54,033 --> 00:25:55,117
Maajid nawaz: You know, a
575
00:25:55,118 --> 00:25:56,199
continuation of the western
576
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,267
- civilization as represented
- by the Roman empire.
577
00:25:58,270 --> 00:26:02,832
Morgan Freeman: Why do you
think the idea of the
578
00:26:02,833 --> 00:26:06,184
apocalypse is so appealing,
particularly to so
579
00:26:06,185 --> 00:26:07,299
many young people?
580
00:26:07,300 --> 00:26:09,033
- Maajid nawaz: When
- you feel powerless,
581
00:26:09,036 --> 00:26:11,067
- when you feel that
- you don't actually control
582
00:26:11,070 --> 00:26:13,650
your own destiny,
when you feel that
583
00:26:13,651 --> 00:26:15,967
you have absolutely no
voice, then it's incredibly
584
00:26:15,968 --> 00:26:18,267
tempting, though wrong,
to feel like you're
585
00:26:18,268 --> 00:26:19,466
becoming an agent of destiny.
586
00:26:19,467 --> 00:26:21,367
- To suddenly feel like
- you do have a voice,
587
00:26:21,370 --> 00:26:23,466
that you are shaping history.
588
00:26:23,467 --> 00:26:24,850
Morgan Freeman: Maajid now
589
00:26:24,851 --> 00:26:26,232
runs the quilliam foundation,
590
00:26:26,233 --> 00:26:28,250
whose goal is to prevent
591
00:26:28,251 --> 00:26:30,266
Isis and groups like them from
592
00:26:30,267 --> 00:26:32,666
recruiting people in the west.
593
00:26:32,667 --> 00:26:35,867
He produces counter-propaganda
videos like this.
594
00:26:39,767 --> 00:26:41,084
Maajid nawaz: So we're taking
595
00:26:41,085 --> 00:26:42,399
real examples of people who
596
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:43,934
have become disillusioned and
597
00:26:43,935 --> 00:26:47,234
we put them to actors
voices and actually put out
598
00:26:47,235 --> 00:26:48,999
some of those stories.
599
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,499
Thank you.
600
00:26:50,500 --> 00:26:52,066
Morgan Freeman: Thank you.
601
00:26:52,067 --> 00:26:55,332
Most informative and
I'm glad you're here.
602
00:26:55,333 --> 00:26:56,917
Maajid nawaz:
603
00:26:56,918 --> 00:26:58,500
Thank you, a pleasure.
604
00:27:02,533 --> 00:27:04,033
Morgan Freeman: It's probably
605
00:27:04,034 --> 00:27:07,333
natural that the apocalypse
is appealing to the
606
00:27:07,334 --> 00:27:09,132
disenfranchised.
607
00:27:09,133 --> 00:27:10,700
They have the most to gain
608
00:27:10,701 --> 00:27:12,266
and the least to fear from
609
00:27:12,267 --> 00:27:15,732
overturning the status quo.
610
00:27:15,733 --> 00:27:19,299
But it's more
widespread than that.
611
00:27:19,300 --> 00:27:25,099
Culturally, we seem to
have a morbid attraction
612
00:27:25,100 --> 00:27:28,166
to the apocalypse.
613
00:27:28,167 --> 00:27:33,767
It's almost as if we draw
some comfort from it.
614
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,766
At the university of
Illinois at Chicago,
615
00:27:42,767 --> 00:27:46,299
psychology professor, Stewart
Shankman is studying
616
00:27:46,300 --> 00:27:49,132
our subconscious belief
in the apocalypse.
617
00:27:49,133 --> 00:27:53,732
He thinks it may be hard
wired into our brains.
618
00:27:53,733 --> 00:27:55,633
- Professor Shankman: So the
- gist of what we're doing today
619
00:27:55,636 --> 00:27:57,567
- is we're looking at
- people's different response to
620
00:27:57,570 --> 00:27:59,732
different kinds of threats.
621
00:27:59,733 --> 00:28:00,967
Morgan Freeman: Since this is
622
00:28:00,968 --> 00:28:04,300
a lab experiment that
relies on volunteers, the
623
00:28:04,301 --> 00:28:06,399
catastrophe is survivable.
624
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,417
A sudden noise combined with
625
00:28:08,418 --> 00:28:10,432
a mild shock to the wrist.
626
00:28:10,433 --> 00:28:12,617
A skull cap of electrodes and
627
00:28:12,618 --> 00:28:14,799
sensors on the subjects face
628
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,984
capture the raw data of
fear, of brain activity
629
00:28:18,985 --> 00:28:20,599
and her stress levels.
630
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,734
Together, they measure the
631
00:28:22,735 --> 00:28:24,866
size of the startle response.
632
00:28:24,867 --> 00:28:26,400
- Professor Shankman:
- And the first condition is
633
00:28:26,403 --> 00:28:28,333
- called shock at
- anytime and during that,
634
00:28:28,336 --> 00:28:29,383
you might receive it when
635
00:28:29,384 --> 00:28:30,432
the countdown reaches one,
636
00:28:30,433 --> 00:28:32,200
- you might receive it in the
- middle of the countdowns,
637
00:28:32,203 --> 00:28:33,867
- you might receive it in
- between your countdowns,
638
00:28:33,870 --> 00:28:37,367
you might not receive it at all.
639
00:28:46,067 --> 00:28:48,033
- Look, there's a
- bit startle for the
640
00:28:48,036 --> 00:28:51,633
unpredictable condition.
641
00:28:54,667 --> 00:28:56,467
- When people are in the
- unpredictable condition,
642
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:58,300
- they don't know when
- this bad thing is coming.
643
00:28:58,303 --> 00:29:00,632
They're gonna show a
greater activity in their
644
00:29:00,633 --> 00:29:02,232
brain and pupil dilation.
645
00:29:02,233 --> 00:29:03,900
- Their heart
- rate's gonna increase.
646
00:29:03,903 --> 00:29:05,999
Morgan Freeman: Now,
Stuart changes to a
647
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,432
different condition.
648
00:29:07,433 --> 00:29:09,699
A predictable shock.
649
00:29:09,700 --> 00:29:11,433
- Professor Shankman:
- Called shock at one and
650
00:29:11,436 --> 00:29:15,733
you will get a shock at the
end of the countdowns.
651
00:29:19,900 --> 00:29:22,032
Morgan Freeman: Your
reaction to this painful,
652
00:29:22,033 --> 00:29:24,499
but foreseeable
shock is different.
653
00:29:24,500 --> 00:29:26,399
Surprisingly so.
654
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,267
- Professor Shankman:
- When people are in the
655
00:29:28,270 --> 00:29:30,433
- unpredictable condition,
- their startle response is much
656
00:29:30,436 --> 00:29:31,633
higher than when they're in
657
00:29:31,634 --> 00:29:32,832
the predictable condition.
658
00:29:32,833 --> 00:29:35,499
Knowing when the bad thing
is gonna come creates a
659
00:29:35,500 --> 00:29:38,299
qualitatively different
emotional experience
660
00:29:38,300 --> 00:29:40,599
than not knowing.
661
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,232
So, whatever we can do
to try to make something
662
00:29:43,233 --> 00:29:45,200
- as unpredictable,
- predictable,
663
00:29:45,203 --> 00:29:48,400
that's gonna give us a
little bit of solace.
664
00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:52,867
- Morgan Freeman: This metal
- mechanism could explain why so
665
00:29:52,870 --> 00:29:57,532
many of us believe in an
impending apocalypse.
666
00:29:57,533 --> 00:30:00,432
But, it may also explain
the morbid appeal
667
00:30:00,433 --> 00:30:02,632
of doomsday cults.
668
00:30:02,633 --> 00:30:04,033
Marshall applewhite: I'll
669
00:30:04,034 --> 00:30:06,650
tell you about a kingdom
level beyond here and if
670
00:30:06,651 --> 00:30:09,766
you want to go there, then
you have to follow me.
671
00:30:09,767 --> 00:30:13,633
This is the end of the age.
672
00:30:17,700 --> 00:30:19,400
Morgan Freeman: But is it
673
00:30:19,401 --> 00:30:21,099
possible to predict the end?
674
00:30:21,100 --> 00:30:25,567
A few years back, many
people thought they had.
675
00:30:27,367 --> 00:30:29,466
According to popular legend,
676
00:30:29,467 --> 00:30:30,834
the ancient Maya thought
677
00:30:30,835 --> 00:30:35,267
the apocalypse would
arrive on a specific date.
678
00:30:36,867 --> 00:30:40,767
December 21st, 2012.
679
00:30:44,967 --> 00:30:46,999
I want to know if
this is really true,
680
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,966
so I've traveled to
their ancient capital,
681
00:30:49,967 --> 00:30:53,167
tikal in Guatemala.
682
00:30:54,567 --> 00:30:56,500
I'm meeting Stanley guenter,
683
00:30:56,501 --> 00:30:58,432
who's a world leading decoder
684
00:30:58,433 --> 00:31:00,699
of Mayan inscriptions.
685
00:31:00,700 --> 00:31:02,350
Stanley guenter: So this
686
00:31:02,351 --> 00:31:03,999
is the temple of the masks.
687
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,117
And on the other
side, the temple of
688
00:31:08,118 --> 00:31:10,500
the giant Jaguar.
689
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,399
This would have been the
early center of the
690
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,732
ancient city of tikal.
691
00:31:16,733 --> 00:31:18,799
Morgan Freeman: What
about those headstone
692
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,199
looking things, there?
693
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,232
Stanley guenter: Those
are what we call stelae.
694
00:31:23,233 --> 00:31:25,066
Stelae.
695
00:31:25,067 --> 00:31:26,899
Morgan Freeman: Stelae.
696
00:31:26,900 --> 00:31:28,500
- Stanley guenter: And
- they commemorate periods
697
00:31:28,503 --> 00:31:29,932
in the Mayan calendar.
698
00:31:29,933 --> 00:31:31,933
So we see that they would
have been dedicated
699
00:31:31,934 --> 00:31:34,650
to periods of time,
such as every 20 years,
700
00:31:34,651 --> 00:31:35,866
every 10 years and especially
701
00:31:35,867 --> 00:31:39,717
every about 400 years,
the ending of the
702
00:31:39,718 --> 00:31:41,700
great b'ak'tun cycles.
703
00:31:42,467 --> 00:31:44,367
- Morgan Freeman: The
- festival to mark the end of
704
00:31:44,370 --> 00:31:47,032
a b'ak'tun cycle would
have culminated in the
705
00:31:47,033 --> 00:31:50,500
king sacrificing the captive.
706
00:31:55,033 --> 00:31:57,900
Does that go to say that the
707
00:31:57,901 --> 00:32:00,766
Mayans felt that 2012 would be
708
00:32:00,767 --> 00:32:02,633
- the end of time,
- the apocalypse?
709
00:32:02,636 --> 00:32:04,433
- Stanley guenter: So we
- heard a few years ago,
710
00:32:04,436 --> 00:32:06,200
about 2012 when people said
711
00:32:06,201 --> 00:32:07,966
the end of the 13th b'ak'tun
712
00:32:07,967 --> 00:32:10,099
was going to be the end
of the world predicted by
713
00:32:10,100 --> 00:32:11,933
- the Maya and there's a
- monument down here,
714
00:32:11,936 --> 00:32:13,833
- I think we should
- take a look at that would
715
00:32:13,836 --> 00:32:17,767
help explain that.
716
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,766
This is stela 10 and you
can see we've got a king,
717
00:32:24,767 --> 00:32:27,766
there is his head, big
headdress full of feathers.
718
00:32:27,767 --> 00:32:30,099
His shoulders, all
of his jewelry,
719
00:32:30,100 --> 00:32:31,632
down to his feet.
720
00:32:31,633 --> 00:32:34,500
And if you look down
below, we can actually
721
00:32:34,501 --> 00:32:35,500
see we have a captive.
722
00:32:35,501 --> 00:32:36,984
We can see his head, we
723
00:32:36,985 --> 00:32:39,732
have his hands and
even down to his legs.
724
00:32:39,733 --> 00:32:42,166
He's all tied up for sacrifice.
725
00:32:42,167 --> 00:32:44,499
Morgan Freeman: So now,
what did this have to do
726
00:32:44,500 --> 00:32:45,866
with the apocalypse?
727
00:32:45,867 --> 00:32:47,667
- Stanley guenter: Well,
- we have to go around the
728
00:32:47,670 --> 00:32:48,932
other side, here.
729
00:32:48,933 --> 00:32:51,533
Morgan Freeman: Okay.
730
00:32:51,833 --> 00:32:54,100
- Stanley guenter: We have a
- date that gives us a specific
731
00:32:54,103 --> 00:32:59,999
point in time, we have
eleven years and 360 days.
732
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,484
Then we have three katuns,
733
00:33:01,485 --> 00:33:02,966
that's about 20 years each,
734
00:33:02,967 --> 00:33:05,932
so we've got another 60 and
then here we have nine
735
00:33:05,933 --> 00:33:11,332
b'ak'tuns because this is
a date of about 525ad,
736
00:33:11,333 --> 00:33:13,900
so if you remember, we had
737
00:33:13,901 --> 00:33:16,466
13 b'ak'tuns ended in 2012.
738
00:33:16,467 --> 00:33:18,433
- But the really interesting
- thing is this monument
739
00:33:18,436 --> 00:33:20,399
doesn't stop there.
740
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,334
It goes on and tells us there
741
00:33:22,335 --> 00:33:24,266
were 19 of the higher unit,
742
00:33:24,267 --> 00:33:27,850
the piktun and even
higher, we have eleven of
743
00:33:27,851 --> 00:33:29,132
the next unit and so on.
744
00:33:29,133 --> 00:33:30,400
Each one of those units is
745
00:33:30,401 --> 00:33:33,417
20 times larger than the
previous, so what we see
746
00:33:33,418 --> 00:33:37,400
on this monument then, is
that 13 b'ak'tuns wasn't
747
00:33:37,401 --> 00:33:41,217
the end of any calendar,
it was simply the end of
748
00:33:41,218 --> 00:33:45,467
one cycle within a whole
series of nested cycles,
749
00:33:45,468 --> 00:33:48,133
each one larger than the other.
750
00:33:52,233 --> 00:33:54,100
- Morgan Freeman: Just
- as we mark the start of a
751
00:33:54,103 --> 00:33:57,300
new millennium, the Maya marked
752
00:33:57,301 --> 00:33:58,732
December 21st, 2012 as a
753
00:33:58,733 --> 00:34:01,332
major event on their calendar.
754
00:34:01,333 --> 00:34:04,266
The ending of another
400 year cycle.
755
00:34:04,267 --> 00:34:06,634
There would have been
756
00:34:06,635 --> 00:34:09,000
parades, music and sacrifice.
757
00:34:10,333 --> 00:34:12,799
If the ancient Maya
were still here,
758
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,733
they'd have had a huge party.
759
00:34:18,667 --> 00:34:20,232
No apocalypse.
760
00:34:20,233 --> 00:34:21,600
- Stanley guenter:
- No apocalypse.
761
00:34:21,603 --> 00:34:22,867
- Morgan Freeman:
- Just a beginning.
762
00:34:22,870 --> 00:34:24,099
Another beginning.
763
00:34:24,100 --> 00:34:25,767
- Stanley guenter: And
- another one and another one
764
00:34:25,770 --> 00:34:28,732
that would go on for
almost eternity.
765
00:34:28,733 --> 00:34:29,817
Morgan Freeman:
766
00:34:29,818 --> 00:34:30,899
Why not eternity?
767
00:34:30,900 --> 00:34:33,133
- Stanley guenter: We've never
- found the end for the Maya,
768
00:34:33,136 --> 00:34:34,800
- and we'll still have
- to keep searching.
769
00:34:34,803 --> 00:34:37,266
Morgan Freeman: Okay.
770
00:34:37,267 --> 00:34:39,534
Thinking about the way the
771
00:34:39,535 --> 00:34:41,799
Maya saw time makes me realize
772
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:46,799
that the idea of an end
we have in christianity,
773
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:51,232
judaism and islam
are not universal.
774
00:34:51,233 --> 00:34:53,400
For these religions, the
775
00:34:53,401 --> 00:34:57,267
ultimate hope is that
god will intervene in
776
00:34:57,268 --> 00:35:01,484
the world of men, pass
judgment and right the
777
00:35:01,485 --> 00:35:04,000
wrongs that we see around us.
778
00:35:04,633 --> 00:35:05,867
But there are billions of
779
00:35:05,868 --> 00:35:07,099
believers out there who don't
780
00:35:07,100 --> 00:35:10,633
see the world that way at all.
781
00:35:13,567 --> 00:35:18,932
For them, time moves in
cycles, perhaps forever.
782
00:35:18,933 --> 00:35:21,399
I'm headed to India to
understand what the
783
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:26,333
apocalypse could mean...
In a world without end.
784
00:35:38,933 --> 00:35:40,833
- Morgan Freeman:
- India is the birthplace of
785
00:35:40,836 --> 00:35:42,566
two great religions.
786
00:35:42,567 --> 00:35:44,899
Hinduism.
787
00:35:44,900 --> 00:35:47,767
And buddhism.
788
00:35:54,567 --> 00:35:56,617
Hindus believe an apocalypse
789
00:35:56,618 --> 00:35:58,666
comes every few billion years.
790
00:35:58,667 --> 00:36:01,966
But every end leads to a
new beginning and the
791
00:36:01,967 --> 00:36:05,166
world starts again.
792
00:36:05,167 --> 00:36:08,799
Buddhists don't imagine
a violent end of days.
793
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,700
To them, the word apocalypse
794
00:36:10,701 --> 00:36:13,900
does not mean a
revelation of god's
795
00:36:13,901 --> 00:36:15,199
judgment to the world.
796
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:19,932
It's a personal revelation
of truth in the mind.
797
00:36:19,933 --> 00:36:24,067
It's called enlightenment.
798
00:36:29,167 --> 00:36:30,900
To find out what that means,
799
00:36:30,901 --> 00:36:32,632
I've come to sarnath, India to
800
00:36:32,633 --> 00:36:34,533
meet one of the world's
801
00:36:34,534 --> 00:36:36,432
most revered Buddhist lamas.
802
00:36:36,433 --> 00:36:40,767
His holiness, gyalwang karmapa.
803
00:36:51,267 --> 00:36:54,266
Tibetan Buddhists believe
that karmapa is the
804
00:36:54,267 --> 00:36:57,432
17th reincarnation of a
great teacher who lived
805
00:36:57,433 --> 00:37:00,700
900 years ago.
806
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:07,799
Good morning.
807
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,399
Gyalwang karmapa: I think
you should wear this.
808
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:11,766
Morgan Freeman: I should?
809
00:37:11,767 --> 00:37:13,433
- Gyalwang karmapa:
- Yeah, thank you.
810
00:37:13,436 --> 00:37:15,032
Thank you.
811
00:37:15,033 --> 00:37:16,332
Morgan Freeman: Thank you.
812
00:37:16,333 --> 00:37:17,832
Can we walk?
813
00:37:17,833 --> 00:37:20,566
Gyalwang karmapa: Yeah.
814
00:37:20,567 --> 00:37:22,284
Morgan Freeman: In 1992, a
815
00:37:22,285 --> 00:37:26,200
holy commission hunted
for the new karmapa and
816
00:37:26,201 --> 00:37:28,400
found ogyen trinley dorje,
817
00:37:29,067 --> 00:37:31,999
a seven year old son
of a nomadic family in
818
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,932
eastern Tibet.
819
00:37:33,933 --> 00:37:35,867
- You were kind of
- young for this station?
820
00:37:35,870 --> 00:37:37,066
Gyalwang karmapa: Yes.
821
00:37:37,067 --> 00:37:38,800
- Morgan Freeman:
- Okay, so what is it like,
822
00:37:38,803 --> 00:37:40,600
- how do you,
- is it all right?
823
00:37:40,603 --> 00:37:42,133
- Gyalwang karmapa:
- One way it's meaningful,
824
00:37:42,136 --> 00:37:44,532
one way is a little bit heavy.
825
00:37:44,533 --> 00:37:48,867
People have lots of expectation.
826
00:37:50,167 --> 00:37:52,299
Morgan Freeman: The
expectation is heavy for a
827
00:37:52,300 --> 00:37:54,466
30 year old man.
828
00:37:54,467 --> 00:37:57,632
The karmapa must teach how
to find enlightenment
829
00:37:57,633 --> 00:38:01,832
while still working to
find it for himself.
830
00:38:01,833 --> 00:38:03,100
Gyalwang karmapa: This is
831
00:38:03,101 --> 00:38:06,284
the start of the site
that the Buddha's give
832
00:38:06,285 --> 00:38:08,199
first teaching.
833
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:09,800
- Morgan Freeman:
- This is the place then,
834
00:38:09,803 --> 00:38:11,300
- where he had his
- first sermon after
835
00:38:11,303 --> 00:38:13,166
he reached enlightenment?
836
00:38:13,167 --> 00:38:14,732
Gyalwang karmapa: Yes, yes.
837
00:38:14,733 --> 00:38:16,166
Morgan Freeman: Right.
838
00:38:16,167 --> 00:38:17,967
- Talk to me
- just a little bit,
839
00:38:17,970 --> 00:38:20,166
your holiness about
enlightenment.
840
00:38:20,167 --> 00:38:22,384
How does one even begin to
841
00:38:22,385 --> 00:38:24,599
go about trying to obtain that?
842
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:25,966
Gyalwang karmapa: Wow!
843
00:38:25,967 --> 00:38:27,467
- Morgan Freeman:
- Big question isn't it?
844
00:38:27,470 --> 00:38:28,666
Gyalwang karmapa: Yes.
845
00:38:28,667 --> 00:38:30,233
- Morgan Freeman:
- Huge challenge.
846
00:38:30,236 --> 00:38:31,517
Gyalwang karmapa: Huge, yeah,
847
00:38:31,518 --> 00:38:34,400
maybe I think the first
part is maybe you need to
848
00:38:34,401 --> 00:38:35,999
recognize yourself like,
849
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,732
where you're from, come from.
850
00:38:37,733 --> 00:38:38,966
Morgan Freeman: Why am I here?
851
00:38:38,967 --> 00:38:40,366
Gyalwang karmapa: Yeah.
852
00:38:40,367 --> 00:38:41,800
Morgan Freeman: So I would
853
00:38:41,801 --> 00:38:45,899
like to get some instruction
about enlightenment.
854
00:38:45,900 --> 00:38:47,467
- Gyalwang karmapa:
- I will try, I will try.
855
00:38:47,470 --> 00:38:48,732
Yeah, okay.
856
00:38:48,733 --> 00:38:50,199
Morgan Freeman: Okay.
857
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,066
Gyalwang karmapa: I will try.
858
00:38:52,067 --> 00:38:54,767
Thank you.
859
00:38:58,733 --> 00:39:00,600
- Morgan Freeman: The
- karmapa tells me meditation
860
00:39:00,603 --> 00:39:02,832
is the key to enlightenment.
861
00:39:02,833 --> 00:39:04,300
If the apocalypse is the
862
00:39:04,301 --> 00:39:05,766
revelation of the true will of
863
00:39:05,767 --> 00:39:08,734
god, meditation aims to
864
00:39:08,735 --> 00:39:11,699
reveal the true will of me.
865
00:39:11,700 --> 00:39:13,367
- Gyalwang karmapa: They
- have lots of different
866
00:39:13,370 --> 00:39:19,500
ways to meditate, but the simple
867
00:39:19,501 --> 00:39:22,067
one is to focus your breath.
868
00:39:23,500 --> 00:39:25,233
- Morgan Freeman:
- That's the one I know.
869
00:39:25,236 --> 00:39:26,517
Gyalwang karmapa:
870
00:39:26,518 --> 00:39:27,799
You relax your mind.
871
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,966
And don't follow the past,
872
00:39:30,967 --> 00:39:37,500
don't anticipate future,
just relax at the moment.
873
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:45,033
Just focus your breathing
and that's all.
874
00:39:47,533 --> 00:39:51,067
Yeah, we should try.
875
00:39:54,933 --> 00:40:01,067
[Chanting].
876
00:40:09,267 --> 00:40:10,967
- Morgan Freeman: It's a lot
- of work to move past
877
00:40:10,970 --> 00:40:14,632
all the memories,
thoughts and emotions...
878
00:40:14,633 --> 00:40:18,999
To just concentrate on being...
879
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,633
To see what's left when
all the noise has gone.
880
00:40:27,500 --> 00:40:33,800
[Chanting].
881
00:40:44,033 --> 00:40:50,000
[Chanting].
882
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:05,400
[Chanting].
883
00:41:07,467 --> 00:41:10,132
Gyalwang karmapa: Okay?
884
00:41:10,133 --> 00:41:11,699
Morgan Freeman: Beautiful.
885
00:41:11,700 --> 00:41:13,299
Gyalwang karmapa: Good?
886
00:41:13,300 --> 00:41:14,732
Morgan Freeman: Yes.
887
00:41:14,733 --> 00:41:16,199
Gyalwang karmapa: Thank you.
888
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:17,833
- Morgan Freeman: Can I ask
- you a philosophical question?
889
00:41:17,836 --> 00:41:18,883
Gyalwang karmapa:
890
00:41:18,884 --> 00:41:19,932
Philosophical?
891
00:41:19,933 --> 00:41:21,766
I will try.
892
00:41:21,767 --> 00:41:26,999
Morgan Freeman: It's about
the westerners idea...
893
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,599
Gyalwang karmapa: Yeah.
894
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,966
Morgan Freeman: Of apocalypse.
895
00:41:30,967 --> 00:41:35,367
The end of time,
the end of being.
896
00:41:35,900 --> 00:41:40,266
Is there such a
thing in buddhism?
897
00:41:40,267 --> 00:41:42,699
If when everything
stops and every...
898
00:41:42,700 --> 00:41:47,333
The world comes to an end
and mankind is judged.
899
00:41:47,733 --> 00:41:50,832
Gyalwang karmapa: We
believe that every day is
900
00:41:50,833 --> 00:41:54,166
somewhere one
universe it's like...
901
00:41:54,167 --> 00:41:55,432
Morgan Freeman: Ending.
902
00:41:55,433 --> 00:41:56,767
- Gyalwang karmapa:
- Ending one it's...
903
00:41:56,770 --> 00:41:58,932
Both: Beginning.
904
00:41:58,933 --> 00:42:00,583
Gyalwang karmapa:
905
00:42:00,584 --> 00:42:03,883
But it's not like a...
This kind of judge, how
906
00:42:03,884 --> 00:42:05,532
do I say, judge things.
907
00:42:05,533 --> 00:42:06,967
- Morgan Freeman:
- No judgment day?
908
00:42:06,970 --> 00:42:08,933
- Gyalwang karmapa:
- No, not judgment day.
909
00:42:08,936 --> 00:42:11,632
This is maybe a
little bit different.
910
00:42:11,633 --> 00:42:15,000
Morgan Freeman: So actually,
what you're saying
911
00:42:15,001 --> 00:42:18,466
I think is that... There
is no end, only change?
912
00:42:18,467 --> 00:42:19,900
- Gyalwang karmapa:
- Yeah, change, yes.
913
00:42:19,903 --> 00:42:21,733
- Morgan Freeman:
- One thing ends, another begins.
914
00:42:21,736 --> 00:42:23,333
- Gyalwang karmapa:
- Yeah, maybe it's,
915
00:42:23,336 --> 00:42:28,066
there are not absolute
sort of ending, yeah.
916
00:42:28,067 --> 00:42:29,166
Thank you.
917
00:42:29,167 --> 00:42:30,966
Morgan Freeman: Thank you.
918
00:42:30,967 --> 00:42:33,867
Gyalwang karmapa: Thank you.
919
00:42:35,500 --> 00:42:36,784
Morgan Freeman: When you
920
00:42:36,785 --> 00:42:38,066
meet someone like his holiness,
921
00:42:38,067 --> 00:42:41,299
the karmapa, I guess the
thing that stands out
922
00:42:41,300 --> 00:42:44,366
most is his humility.
923
00:42:44,367 --> 00:42:46,984
Karmapa doesn't give you
924
00:42:46,985 --> 00:42:49,599
the impression that he thinks
925
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:54,199
of himself as greater than
you, higher than you,
926
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:59,032
better in any way than you.
927
00:42:59,033 --> 00:43:04,533
He's here like the rest
of us on this quest,
928
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:11,732
trying to understand
why we're here,
929
00:43:11,733 --> 00:43:14,600
seeking to unveil the
930
00:43:14,601 --> 00:43:17,467
truth, seeking enlightenment.
931
00:43:19,267 --> 00:43:21,566
But the truth isn't always
revealed in a moment
932
00:43:21,567 --> 00:43:24,066
of calm reflection.
933
00:43:24,067 --> 00:43:29,167
[Water rushing [and
whipping wind]
934
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,666
♪ ♪
935
00:43:34,667 --> 00:43:37,599
August, 2005.
936
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:42,632
Hurricane Katrina
slammed into Louisiana.
937
00:43:42,633 --> 00:43:46,733
A catastrophe of
historic proportions.
938
00:43:52,367 --> 00:43:54,517
Some even thought the end was
939
00:43:54,518 --> 00:43:56,667
happening here in New Orleans.
940
00:43:58,933 --> 00:44:02,766
Man: New Orleans had a
level of sin that was
941
00:44:02,767 --> 00:44:05,267
offensive to god and I believe
942
00:44:05,268 --> 00:44:07,766
that the hurricant Katrina was,
943
00:44:07,767 --> 00:44:10,067
in fact, punishment against
944
00:44:10,068 --> 00:44:12,367
the city of New Orleans.
945
00:44:13,300 --> 00:44:17,767
Man 2: Katrina was a
judgement from god.
946
00:44:20,867 --> 00:44:22,867
- Morgan Freeman:
- I'm in New Orleans to meet
947
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:25,266
Katrina survivors.
948
00:44:25,267 --> 00:44:28,066
To learn how they dealt
with the end and
949
00:44:28,067 --> 00:44:31,567
how it changed them.
950
00:44:31,933 --> 00:44:34,299
So right now, we are
in flood country?
951
00:44:34,300 --> 00:44:35,766
Ernest: Yes, sir.
952
00:44:35,767 --> 00:44:37,600
- Morgan Freeman: This is
- where the water actually...
953
00:44:37,603 --> 00:44:41,199
Ernest: Yes, this is
actually the 9th ward.
954
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:42,700
- Morgan Freeman: You
- were here during Katrina,
955
00:44:42,703 --> 00:44:44,166
is that right?
956
00:44:44,167 --> 00:44:45,732
Ernest: Yes, I was.
957
00:44:45,733 --> 00:44:48,033
- I was in an apartment building
- and I was on the first floor
958
00:44:48,036 --> 00:44:50,850
and I got eight feet of water
959
00:44:50,851 --> 00:44:53,666
and I lost everything I owned.
960
00:44:53,667 --> 00:44:54,967
Morgan Freeman: Did you
961
00:44:54,968 --> 00:44:57,500
have a feeling at some
point that this was like
962
00:44:57,501 --> 00:44:58,732
the end of it all?
963
00:44:58,733 --> 00:45:03,067
Ernest: It did seem
like the end to me.
964
00:45:07,433 --> 00:45:08,850
Morgan Freeman:
965
00:45:08,851 --> 00:45:10,266
Ernest was far from alone.
966
00:45:10,267 --> 00:45:12,000
New Orleans residents Charles
967
00:45:12,001 --> 00:45:13,732
and Angela marsalis came to
968
00:45:13,733 --> 00:45:16,433
their local church, a shelter
969
00:45:16,434 --> 00:45:19,133
in the time of the storm.
970
00:45:19,500 --> 00:45:22,066
We're in the carrolton
Avenue church of Christ,
971
00:45:22,067 --> 00:45:24,317
this is, you spent a little
972
00:45:24,318 --> 00:45:26,566
time here during the storm.
973
00:45:26,567 --> 00:45:28,632
How did you wind up here?
974
00:45:28,633 --> 00:45:30,317
Angela marsalis: We were gonna
975
00:45:30,318 --> 00:45:34,084
lodge here for the night
and then we were gonna go
976
00:45:34,085 --> 00:45:38,767
home the next day and there
was a night we could
977
00:45:38,768 --> 00:45:41,367
hear the wind rushing in.
978
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,999
It's just really, really loud.
979
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,367
I mean, at that time it was
980
00:45:47,368 --> 00:45:48,732
really scary and I just began
981
00:45:48,733 --> 00:45:50,832
to kneel down and pray.
982
00:45:50,833 --> 00:45:52,900
We could actually, you know,
983
00:45:52,901 --> 00:45:54,966
see the water rising and we
984
00:45:54,967 --> 00:45:58,666
thought it'd be stopped,
but it just kept rising.
985
00:45:58,667 --> 00:46:00,834
Morgan Freeman: The marsalis
986
00:46:00,835 --> 00:46:03,000
family was completely cut off.
987
00:46:04,633 --> 00:46:06,350
More than a hundred billion
988
00:46:06,351 --> 00:46:10,532
gallons of water had surged
through broken levees.
989
00:46:10,533 --> 00:46:11,967
Three days passed before
990
00:46:11,968 --> 00:46:15,917
the red cross evacuated
them to a marooned bridge
991
00:46:15,918 --> 00:46:18,433
full of desperate survivors.
992
00:46:19,033 --> 00:46:20,833
- Angela marsalis: It was like,
- pitch black dark.
993
00:46:20,836 --> 00:46:23,000
Everything in that water,
994
00:46:23,001 --> 00:46:25,167
alligator, snakes, everything.
995
00:46:25,900 --> 00:46:27,834
I mean, they had sick people,
996
00:46:27,835 --> 00:46:29,766
they had women in wheelchairs.
997
00:46:29,767 --> 00:46:31,334
Charles marsalis: We saw the
998
00:46:31,335 --> 00:46:32,899
guys having drugs over here,
999
00:46:32,900 --> 00:46:35,400
selling drugs, guns, I felt
1000
00:46:35,401 --> 00:46:37,899
that the devil was at work.
1001
00:46:37,900 --> 00:46:39,767
- Angela marsalis: It
- was really a dark time.
1002
00:46:39,770 --> 00:46:41,932
It was really dark, yeah.
1003
00:46:41,933 --> 00:46:44,167
- Morgan Freeman: Now this,
- these are dire circumstances
1004
00:46:44,170 --> 00:46:47,499
and dire circumstances can
bring out the best and
1005
00:46:47,500 --> 00:46:48,799
the worst in people.
1006
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,432
Charles marsalis: Yes, yes.
1007
00:46:50,433 --> 00:46:52,467
- Morgan Freeman: How did
- you function through that?
1008
00:46:52,470 --> 00:46:54,533
- Charles marsalis: Well,
- I'm a minister and you got
1009
00:46:54,536 --> 00:46:56,966
children of god sitting
here, so I told me wife,
1010
00:46:56,967 --> 00:46:58,600
it's time for us to get busy,
1011
00:46:58,601 --> 00:47:00,232
we got to do something.
1012
00:47:00,233 --> 00:47:02,599
And so we just started
singing and, and then the
1013
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,799
next thing we know
in the darkness,
1014
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,500
you can hear people
saying, sing this song,
1015
00:47:07,501 --> 00:47:08,866
sing that song.
1016
00:47:08,867 --> 00:47:10,034
And how long, can't remember,
1017
00:47:10,035 --> 00:47:11,199
how long did we sing?
1018
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:12,499
Angela marsalis: All night.
1019
00:47:12,500 --> 00:47:15,599
[Laughs].
1020
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,367
- Angela marsalis: We
- just knew that god would get
1021
00:47:17,370 --> 00:47:18,899
us out of there.
1022
00:47:18,900 --> 00:47:21,167
- Charles marsalis: Not even
- Katrina could shake that faith
1023
00:47:21,170 --> 00:47:23,699
of god, no way.
1024
00:47:23,700 --> 00:47:25,817
♪ Angela marsalis: Jesus is
1025
00:47:25,818 --> 00:47:27,932
a rock in a weary land, ♪
1026
00:47:27,933 --> 00:47:32,200
♪ a weary land, a weary land. ♪
1027
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,300
- ♪ Jesus is a
- rock in a... ♪♪
1028
00:47:34,303 --> 00:47:35,917
Morgan Freeman: Charles and
1029
00:47:35,918 --> 00:47:37,532
Angela did get out in the end.
1030
00:47:37,533 --> 00:47:40,066
A year later they returned
to New Orleans and
1031
00:47:40,067 --> 00:47:44,200
rebuilt their lives.
1032
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,399
The experience of getting
so close to the end and
1033
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,550
so close to god drove them
1034
00:47:50,551 --> 00:47:52,699
to start their own church.
1035
00:47:52,700 --> 00:47:54,200
Charles marsalis: Well, how
1036
00:47:54,201 --> 00:47:55,699
many out here remember Katrina?
1037
00:47:55,700 --> 00:47:58,166
Y'all remember the storm?
1038
00:47:58,167 --> 00:48:00,132
I remember that.
1039
00:48:00,133 --> 00:48:03,367
Some folk even said that that's
1040
00:48:03,368 --> 00:48:06,599
god punishment on New Orleans.
1041
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,666
And I had to tell them folk, no!
1042
00:48:09,667 --> 00:48:13,432
God allowed it to happen.
1043
00:48:13,433 --> 00:48:15,167
- Angela marsalis: You know,
- a lot of people had their
1044
00:48:15,170 --> 00:48:18,700
eyes on New Orleans,
but they saw something
1045
00:48:18,701 --> 00:48:21,332
good that could come
out of something bad.
1046
00:48:21,333 --> 00:48:23,133
- Charles marsalis: Had it
- not been for the storm,
1047
00:48:23,136 --> 00:48:26,366
we wouldn't be here at
this building, probably.
1048
00:48:26,367 --> 00:48:28,899
We wouldn't have met some
of these people that
1049
00:48:28,900 --> 00:48:30,699
you seen in here today.
1050
00:48:30,700 --> 00:48:32,999
I believe if it wasn't
for that storm.
1051
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,567
- Morgan Freeman:
- You know, Charles,
1052
00:48:34,570 --> 00:48:36,099
that's very Buddhist.
1053
00:48:36,100 --> 00:48:37,332
Charles marsalis: Yeah?
1054
00:48:37,333 --> 00:48:39,566
Morgan Freeman: Yeah,
the Buddhist say every
1055
00:48:39,567 --> 00:48:43,132
ending is a beginning.
1056
00:48:43,133 --> 00:48:44,567
Charles marsalis:
1057
00:48:44,568 --> 00:48:45,999
It's god's will.
1058
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,166
God saw this before we saw this.
1059
00:48:49,167 --> 00:48:50,967
We just got to allow ourself
1060
00:48:50,968 --> 00:48:52,766
to be willing to let god
1061
00:48:52,767 --> 00:48:56,266
use us in part of that will.
1062
00:48:56,267 --> 00:48:58,217
Morgan Freeman: Katrina didn't
1063
00:48:58,218 --> 00:49:00,166
wash New Orleans of its sin.
1064
00:49:00,167 --> 00:49:03,232
It didn't come as
divine punishment.
1065
00:49:03,233 --> 00:49:05,966
It caused suffering, yes.
1066
00:49:05,967 --> 00:49:08,566
But it also opened
people's eyes,
1067
00:49:08,567 --> 00:49:12,199
to Cherish what they had
left and to work together
1068
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:16,000
to build something better.
1069
00:49:17,133 --> 00:49:20,599
I set out to understand
what the apocalypse means
1070
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,666
to people of many
different faiths.
1071
00:49:23,667 --> 00:49:26,200
I had always thought of it
1072
00:49:26,201 --> 00:49:28,732
as a all destroying doomsday.
1073
00:49:28,733 --> 00:49:30,832
But I've discovered
that some people yearn
1074
00:49:30,833 --> 00:49:32,766
for the apocalypse.
1075
00:49:32,767 --> 00:49:35,532
They want to be
free of injustice.
1076
00:49:35,533 --> 00:49:38,366
They want to escape suffering.
1077
00:49:38,367 --> 00:49:42,099
They want a better world.
1078
00:49:42,100 --> 00:49:43,832
Apocalypse.
1079
00:49:43,833 --> 00:49:48,199
It's a Greek word meaning
lifting the veil.
1080
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:51,899
It's not about war, it's
about enlightenment.
1081
00:49:51,900 --> 00:49:54,399
It's not about death.
1082
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,599
It's a state of mind and
heart that helps us
1083
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,632
see the truth.
1084
00:49:59,633 --> 00:50:03,299
Not some far off
day of judgment.
1085
00:50:03,300 --> 00:50:07,067
It's here, it's now.