1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,520 I think what you'll have to let me do is not ask me, 4 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,160 "Is that the first time you went to America?" or anything like that. 5 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,040 I think you just let me just talk and just get it over with. 6 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:52,840 I think that's it. 7 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,800 And, um, 'cause, you know, if you stop and I think, "Oh, I've got to think 8 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,280 "about that part of it now, have I? Can't I just... 9 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,040 "Do we have to cover every bit of it?" You know? 10 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,800 [SIGHS] Anyway, you know, I will get into it, 11 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,480 but it's so boring to say all the... 12 00:01:40,320 --> 00:01:41,920 [BIRDS CHIRPING] 13 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:00,160 VIVIENNE WESTWOOD: I've got spatial intelligence. 14 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,720 As a child of five, I could have made a pair of shoes. 15 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,720 It's for a pocket, that's why I drew me hand on it first. 16 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:14,720 Sometimes a question is put to me, "Will you ever retire?" 17 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,280 What I say is if people retire, 18 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:21,360 they do what they like 19 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:25,280 and I'm doing what I want in the sense that I feel I ought to do it, 20 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:29,840 but if I really could do what I want, 21 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,160 what I would do is I would learn Chinese. 22 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,040 [INDISTINCT CHATTERING] 23 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,720 WESTWOOD: I mean, I think that that blue one there is quite good actually. 24 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,520 I think, just for a change. I think it's fine, 25 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,360 but the multi colour, no, not so good, is it? Okay. 26 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:55,840 -And the hair, Vivienne? -Sorry? 27 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,480 The hair? The black girl? 28 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,960 No, the hair looks lovely. I like the hair. 29 00:03:02,640 --> 00:03:07,280 And, um, let's just try how with her hair taken back, 30 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,600 just to see if I like that better? 31 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,640 I think she looks better, yeah. 32 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:14,320 -Pushed back a little bit further? -Yeah. 33 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,040 No, I don't like that at all. 34 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:18,520 No, take it off. 35 00:03:20,640 --> 00:03:22,200 I don't remember doing this. 36 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,320 Fuck them, they're just disgusting. 37 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,320 We did such a nice thing. 38 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,120 What's with this tiny hem? 39 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:31,760 -How did that happen? -ASSISTANT 1: You said that. 40 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,280 -We decided we wanted a small hem? -Yes. 41 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:35,560 -Are you sure? -Yes. 42 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:37,840 Why did I want a small hem? 43 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,280 ASSISTANT 2: That's what I had taken in my notes, saying here... 44 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,920 WESTWOOD: I actually told you, "Put a small hem there?" 45 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:44,800 I would never have said that. 46 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:46,880 Uh, just in the drawing it was, so I just judged... 47 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,880 Well, next time you make a judgement, don't make a judgement. 48 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,400 Just get it into your head, I like a big rib. 49 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,840 I don't like this tiny rib. 50 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,200 It's crap! I really don't like it! 51 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,600 Anyway, so I don't know if I want to show any of this shit, 52 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:03,920 and I don't know what the fuck this is! 53 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,240 I don't know what I'm doing. It's a mess. 54 00:04:24,280 --> 00:04:27,080 It's my fault, it's just not good. 55 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,720 MAN: I think you should not do this thing. 56 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:38,160 WESTWOOD: I don't want to do it any more. What do we do? 57 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,720 What do we do about it? Who does do it? 58 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:42,720 Let's just close the company. 59 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,760 I was quite interested at doing it next season, 60 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,440 but when I look at that, 61 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,120 I don't know why it turned out not good. 62 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,800 I like the Princess coats. 63 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:11,200 WESTWOOD: Anyway, I'm just totally bored talking about this, 64 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,400 but you need it, so I'll tell you. 65 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,680 From the age of 11-12 I made my own clothes. 66 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,680 When I was little, I saw a picture of the Crucifixion 67 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,520 and it really did change my life. 68 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,240 And I thought to myself, 69 00:05:31,280 --> 00:05:34,120 "My parents, they've been deceiving me. 70 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:35,960 "They've told me all about baby Jesus, 71 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,800 "but they never told me what happened to him." 72 00:05:38,840 --> 00:05:41,800 And I just thought, "I can't trust the people in this world. 73 00:05:41,840 --> 00:05:43,760 "I've got to find out for myself. 74 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,040 "This kind of thing can't happen." 75 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,520 [ALARM BLARING] 76 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:52,080 I did feel that I had to be like a knight 77 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,680 to stop people doing terrible things to each other. 78 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,960 And I think that's had something to do with my fashion clothes as well. 79 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,480 It's always got to be that. 80 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,280 You know, you've got to cut a figure 81 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,520 and be prepared for action, 82 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:14,600 and engagement with things. 83 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,080 [AUDIENCE APPLAUDS] 84 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:51,640 Just before I was 17, 85 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,240 my art teacher, Mr Bell, 86 00:06:54,280 --> 00:06:56,960 he had the idea that I should go to art school. 87 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,800 I stayed at art school for a term only. 88 00:07:02,840 --> 00:07:06,040 Because we were so working class, 89 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:10,080 it was like, "How am I going to earn my living?" 90 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,760 And so then I thought, "I know. 91 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,560 "I will go to teacher training college 92 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,080 "and take art as my main subject 93 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,520 "and I'll try to be an artist. 94 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:22,400 "And then if I can't be an artist, 95 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,200 "I can be a school teacher." 96 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:25,920 And that's what I decided to do. 97 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,640 We had beehives then, '60s was coming. 98 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,160 White shoes. Oh, God, I loved them! 99 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,840 With little lace-ups like a nurse. Oh, they were... 100 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:43,320 They were fantastic. 101 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,640 Rock-and-roll was just starting 102 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:52,320 and as a teenager, 103 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:56,520 I wanted to do what all the other teenagers were doing. 104 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,680 That's where I met Derek Westwood in the end, yeah. 105 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,400 He was a great dancer, that Derek, very good dancer. 106 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:17,720 REPORTER: [ON RADIO] Back from their honeymoon, 107 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,600 she and Tim are headed for a life of wedded bliss. 108 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:21,680 They think. 109 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:24,720 WESTWOOD: I grew up with the idea 110 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,440 that you're supposed to stay with one man. 111 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,760 You're supposed to find the "one" man. 112 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:39,000 What we were actually living was the American Dream. 113 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:43,640 The housewife, all smiling, all lovely little hairstyle, 114 00:08:43,680 --> 00:08:46,440 and crisp with an apron on and everything, 115 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,040 and hubby comes home, 116 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,120 and he's got ideal family 117 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,000 and somehow that's it, that's all you see. 118 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,680 But the American Dream stops there. 119 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,960 I just realize, "No, no, it's all a load of old rubbish. 120 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,520 "What a lot of old bollocks that is." 121 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,800 Somehow I had to explore. I had to get out. 122 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,160 I got married when I was 21 and had Ben at 22. 123 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,680 And Derek and I split up 124 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:32,120 and mostly because I was not fulfilling my potential 125 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:36,000 to understand something about the world. 126 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,800 BEN WESTWOOD: I remember Malcolm turning up. 127 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,680 I sort of remember my mother and Malcolm from when I was about five. 128 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,840 I remember... 129 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:02,680 We used to live in a flat in the Oval 130 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,680 near the cricket ground. 131 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:09,560 And Malcolm was very hot-headed and quite young. 132 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,520 And he didn't want children around him, 133 00:10:11,560 --> 00:10:13,360 he didn't have much patience for us. 134 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,040 WESTWOOD: I stopped teaching. 135 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,400 I had two children, Joe and Ben. 136 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:28,000 Anyway, Joe was Malcolm's son and he was born... 137 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,360 Malcolm was ill, 138 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,960 and I looked after him and that's how it all began. 139 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:37,920 I didn't want him at all 140 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,680 but I felt that I'd misled him by being too kind to him. 141 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,200 When I had Joe, I wanted to have an abortion 142 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,200 and I really wasn't happy at all, 143 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,920 and one day, I suddenly realised, "This man is gold. 144 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,080 "What am I doing?" 145 00:10:54,680 --> 00:10:57,200 We went to Compendium bookshop. 146 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,680 We went to the Marxist shop in Chinatown. 147 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,000 He came from a Jewish family. 148 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:06,640 They knew the world. 149 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,040 I was really a woman on a mission. 150 00:11:12,560 --> 00:11:14,600 'Cause I knew I was stupid 151 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:18,480 and I had to discover what was going on in the world. 152 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,280 PHOTOGRAPHER: Vivienne, thanks so much. 153 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:36,680 Malcolm had the idea of buying up these old rock and roll records, 154 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,760 and he thought that he could sell them to trendy people. 155 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,760 My favourite shop, Mr. Freedom, was at 430 King's Road, 156 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:48,880 that's still my shop. 157 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,880 That shop has got really a lot of history. 158 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,680 It was the first this, the first that. 159 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,840 Anyway, it wasn't doing very well, 160 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,880 so the shop manager invited us 161 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:02,040 to have the back half of the shop, 162 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:03,760 to sell our records in. 163 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:09,840 I borrowed some money off my mother, a hundred pound. 164 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:14,200 And, erm, that's when I started also making clothes. 165 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:16,800 We called it Let It Rock. 166 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:20,920 Every time we changed the name of the shop, 167 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:22,920 we changed the clothes, you know. 168 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,080 It's like doing a new collection each time. 169 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:33,520 Malcolm had the idea 170 00:12:33,560 --> 00:12:36,720 that we were going to confront the establishment through sex. 171 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,280 Because he said, "England is the home of the flasher." 172 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,920 His slogan was, "Rubber wear for the office." 173 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:48,560 He was very clever, Malcolm, 174 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,800 literarily and everything, except he never read anything. 175 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,240 Why the hell does anybody need this? 176 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,280 Can't you get a bit of old footage or something? 177 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,560 No, you can't. No, you can't, I know that. 178 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:03,480 [SIGHS] 179 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,600 Anyway, um... 180 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:11,600 He was interested in those '50s pin-ups 181 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,000 where you've got girls who are just there. 182 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,560 They've just been washed up by a ship wreck on the beach. 183 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,080 And they're all torn, you know? 184 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,480 I'm wearing something torn right now. 185 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,440 It's really great, this. 186 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:29,640 I'll get up later on. It's all got this torn edge. Love it! 187 00:13:29,680 --> 00:13:33,160 INTERVIEWER: Shall we jump to the Sex Pistols and how they came about? 188 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,560 No, I can't be bothered with them either. 189 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,560 I don't know what we're going to do. 190 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,840 Really, if I've got to talk about the Sex Pistols... 191 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:51,160 Have you finished? 192 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:19,760 CURATOR: This is the "Destroy" muslin t-shirt. 193 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:24,320 It's one of the most important pieces that Westwood and McLaren created. 194 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,360 The garment is made from muslin. 195 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:30,280 The sleeves 196 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,080 are very long and they fold back 197 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,240 and then this would clip on to here, 198 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,040 so making it 199 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:42,640 more wearable, 200 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,040 but the notion of distortion of the sleeves, 201 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,560 it reminds one a little bit of a straitjacket. 202 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,560 But it's really all about the imagery. 203 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,560 So here you've got a swastika, 204 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,600 an inverted crucifix, 205 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:09,000 the word "Destroy" and then lyrics from Sex Pistols, 206 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:10,680 "I am an Antichrist." 207 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:16,760 And what Westwood and McLaren were doing with these punk garments 208 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:18,520 was confronting society. 209 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,320 WESTWOOD: We invented punk. 210 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,520 Malcolm had just come back from America. 211 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:46,200 He'd been managing The New York Dolls, 212 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:51,120 and he put together a group, a pop group, 213 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,760 from our Saturday boy Glen 214 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:55,800 and a couple of our costumers, 215 00:15:55,840 --> 00:16:00,280 and Johnny Rotten was quite a phenomenon. 216 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:05,360 And he hasn't changed from being that phenomenon, unfortunately. 217 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,800 He should have changed to something else by now. 218 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,080 Now then... 219 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:18,440 My favourite shop is the Worlds End Shop. 220 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:23,240 And we still sell stuff we designed at the time of punk. 221 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:24,880 Actually, they look good on you. 222 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:27,040 They do look good on you. 223 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,080 And every time I design something, 224 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:34,000 it has to have a story. It's got a character. 225 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:38,720 I think that that story is part of a kind of a nostalgia 226 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:42,120 that people can tap into. 227 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:43,960 I mean things like this are reminiscent 228 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:45,760 of Greek peasant costumes, 229 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:50,920 this little kilt and like the tartan for this jacket and everything. 230 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:52,520 It's got... 231 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,000 I don't know, it's got an old sort of feeling to it. 232 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,240 A little bit to do with 233 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,200 rather sort of bandits in the countryside, 234 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,120 that kind of thing. Something that you might have seen 235 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,280 at the Battle of Culloden, something like that. 236 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:07,920 And I just think that 237 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,120 'cause it's got such content in there 238 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:16,680 and such a way to connect with the human expression. 239 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,360 You know, how you walk, how you talk, 240 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:21,320 you know, how you attract people. 241 00:17:21,360 --> 00:17:25,480 And I just think that that's why my clothes are timeless. 242 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,160 REPORTER: Dame Vivienne Westwood. 243 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:42,560 This is a lady whose global popularity knows no bounds. 244 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,120 A Dame who personifies the powerful 245 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,440 and subversive originality of British fashion. 246 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:54,120 Ladies and gentlemen, may we present Dame Vivienne Westwood. 247 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:18,240 ANDREAS KRONTHALER: There's Vivienne, you know, the fashion designer. 248 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,640 There is Vivienne, the campaigner. 249 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,120 And then there is Vivienne, 250 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:27,680 the person, you know? 251 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,280 [CHATTERING INDISTINCTLY] 252 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,040 I like them all ever such a lot. 253 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,560 But I really like Vivienne, the person. 254 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,240 I don't know why. 255 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:53,520 I'm so... 256 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:54,880 [SIGHS] 257 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:56,720 There is this word "love," you know? 258 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,680 In love with her. I really don't know. 259 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:04,680 I really don't know. 260 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,120 I just... 261 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:14,960 I don't know if this is... 262 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,640 You know, they speak about the love of your life and... 263 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:24,680 I don't know, is it... 264 00:19:26,120 --> 00:19:29,520 Was it lucky? Was it not lucky? I don't know. 265 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,040 Nice. Yes! 266 00:19:34,360 --> 00:19:36,280 It has never changed. 267 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:42,240 If anything, it became stronger and stronger, 268 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:45,240 the bond. 269 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,400 I like everything about her. 270 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,200 PHOTOGRAPHER: That's great, that's great. Yes. 271 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:57,760 KRONTHALER: The smell, the way the hair falls 272 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,560 to every millimetre of her little body. 273 00:20:02,360 --> 00:20:03,880 Everything. 274 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:05,520 [CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKING] 275 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,960 PHOTOGRAPHER: And now, just... Yeah, fantastic. 276 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:17,920 WESTWOOD: The best compliment I can pay Andreas 277 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:22,160 is that I actually like living with him as much as being on my own. 278 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,240 -A hat. I really look ridiculous. -[CHUCKLES] 279 00:20:34,120 --> 00:20:37,200 I accepted a teaching job, 280 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:40,960 first in Austria, 281 00:20:42,120 --> 00:20:44,760 because I did need the money. 282 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:46,920 The line is under the bust 283 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,120 and then it's coming up here in between. 284 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,120 And it's where I met Andreas. 285 00:20:55,560 --> 00:21:00,320 And then Andreas came with a group of students from Vienna to England 286 00:21:00,360 --> 00:21:02,760 at the time when I was doing a fashion show. 287 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,480 Of course, I gave them seats to watch this fashion show, 288 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,280 they were my students. 289 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:14,960 And at the end of it, Andreas, I thought he was really cheeky, 290 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,320 he didn't say it was great, he gave me the idea 291 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:20,000 that there was a lot of room for improvement. 292 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,760 He stayed and he worked on the next collection. 293 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:32,360 KRONTHALER: It was the old studio and she just let me live there. 294 00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:35,040 Dirty old place. 295 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,960 Every night when once they left, I would, you know, 296 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,680 get out this piece of leopard fur 297 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,360 under a table and sleep on it on the floor. 298 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,160 You know, in all this mess. 299 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,360 I even had fleas at one point. 300 00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:01,320 But it was very romantic 301 00:22:01,360 --> 00:22:05,680 and this place was full of cardboard boxes 302 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,520 and in these cardboard boxes was all the archive and clothes, 303 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:14,400 and I would study them, you know. 304 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,160 Soon as everybody was gone I would open them up 305 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,120 and look at these things 306 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,000 and, you know, sometimes would actually wear them 307 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:26,520 and go out in them. 308 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,480 It was fantastic. 309 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,040 Yeah. It was heaven. 310 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,240 It was the real thing. 311 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,880 It was the thing I always wanted. 312 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:45,520 I just felt so happy. 313 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,680 I never went back. 314 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,840 What is it? It's changing before me eyes anyway. 315 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,680 -I don't know what's this either. -It's a square. 316 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,200 The back... The front is a simple square, 317 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,360 which is just draped a little bit. 318 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,360 On the front, just a bit of a nothing. 319 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,280 It's just thrown on you, a bit of cloth. 320 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:23,280 WESTWOOD: He straight away started telling us what to do. 321 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,560 Here, or it can be just to here. It's just a little square... 322 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,920 -An apron or a dress? -It's an apron. 323 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,680 But if I pin in the back... 324 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,520 WESTWOOD: He's so passionate about things 325 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,320 that you just have to do what he says. 326 00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:41,000 People who'd worked with me for quite a bit were very suspicious of him 327 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,480 and he had to be careful and they're just thinking, 328 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:44,760 "Who does he think he is?" You know, 329 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,480 "Telling us to do this, that and the other." 330 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,560 Have you got a picture of that anywhere? 331 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:55,960 WESTWOOD: But they soon began to realise how talented he was 332 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,360 and so we all went along with it. 333 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,960 CORRE: I suppose I have to be honest and say 334 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,040 I think in the beginning, I was quite suspicious of Andreas 335 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,200 because, "Who's this fucking guy? 336 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,360 I mean, he looks a bit kind of gay. 337 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,840 I don't know, he's kind of wants to marry my mum 338 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,440 and he's half her age 339 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,400 and, you know, "What's all this about?" 340 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,840 REPORTERS: Vivienne! 341 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,280 CORRE: But all I can say is that 342 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:31,960 over the years that they've been married, it's been a huge relief to me 343 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,640 that's allowed me not to have to worry about my mum at all, 344 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,480 because I know that 345 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,240 he's absolutely besotted by her, 346 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:44,520 and you know, thinks of her and her well-being 347 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,000 and looks after her in many ways. 348 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,920 And that was a really nice relief, actually. 349 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,440 [CHEERING] 350 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,640 WESTWOOD: People didn't like you for being a punk. 351 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,960 We wanted to undermine the establishment. 352 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,600 The swastika, all these things meant 353 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:21,320 we don't accept the values of this older generation. 354 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:23,720 We hate it, we want to destroy it. 355 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,400 We don't want it. 356 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,960 We were youth against age, that's what it was. 357 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,720 But it had affected fashion such a lot. 358 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,400 The hair styles even. 359 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,800 My spiky hair was in Vogue one month later. 360 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,320 And I realised that 361 00:25:52,360 --> 00:25:55,440 we weren't really attacking 362 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,400 the system at all. 363 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,760 It was being marketed all the time. 364 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,400 I just realised that the real marketing opportunity 365 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,400 was that the English society could claim 366 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,640 how democratic and how free they were 367 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:25,240 that somehow kids could revolt as much as that. 368 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,720 In fact, we weren't attacking the establishment. 369 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,040 We were just part of the distraction. 370 00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:53,360 So this fantastic ensemble is from the Pirate collection 371 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,320 and it's one of the first pieces that the V&A acquired 372 00:26:56,360 --> 00:26:58,440 from Vivienne Westwood. 373 00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:06,640 It was from a time when the shop had become known as Worlds End, 374 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,160 and Vivienne was experimenting with historical dress. 375 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,400 Like the snake print tunic 376 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,320 or the square toed shoes. 377 00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:19,880 She'll take an idea and then chew it over 378 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,640 and shake it and shake it 379 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,480 and come up with the most extraordinary result. 380 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,280 The whole collection was absolutely joyful. 381 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,000 It was a kind of riposte to the darkness of Punk. 382 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,280 She was introducing colour and pattern, 383 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,520 huge voluminous shirts, 384 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,360 clothing that was worn by both men and women. 385 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,840 Clothing that was not about sexual identity, 386 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,520 but was simply about enjoyment of life. 387 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,360 WESTWOOD: I didn't consider myself a fashion designer at all, 388 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,640 but I realised that I was very talented 389 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,800 and I felt that I wanted people to know 390 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,480 that the stuff that was on the Paris catwalk had come from me. 391 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,680 And I just thought, "I must get the benefit of this. 392 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,120 "I must enter this business world 393 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,000 "and start to really sell the clothes and present them to journalists 394 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,920 "and be a fashion designer." I realised that I could be. 395 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,440 REPORTER: What is a self-confessed "fashion anarchist" 396 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,320 doing in bourgeois Paris anyway? 397 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:45,920 You have to go where you have to go, 398 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,160 you have to do what you have to do, 399 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,400 and I certainly don't want to be underground. 400 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,960 I want to be... 401 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,000 At a place of the most focus that I can find. 402 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,600 WESTWOOD: Malcolm became very jealous of me, when I did fashion 403 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,120 and he went into the music business. 404 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,440 And he used to always pretend that everything was him. 405 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,160 I stayed with Malcolm because I respected him 406 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,000 and had an incredible loyalty to him. 407 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,840 But there came a point where 408 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,080 I sort of completely outran Malcolm. 409 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,680 He'd stopped, really. 410 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,040 His thinking had, kind of, stayed where it was. 411 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,720 So I got intellectually bored with Malcolm. 412 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,280 CORRE: Malcolm split from my mum, and he was horrible when he left. 413 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:03,600 He was all full of tension, jealousy. 414 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,400 I don't know, he was just one of them sort of people 415 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,120 that when something changes like that in their life, 416 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,640 particularly, I think, because Vivienne had decided that it was over. 417 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,160 She couldn't bear it any longer. 418 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,560 And so he just turned into 419 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,280 a really horrible, spiteful phase of his, 420 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,080 tried to smash everything up, which he sort of did. 421 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:36,080 At a certain point, it all sort of turned to dust, you know. 422 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,840 And so he went off to Los Angeles 423 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,240 to be this kind of movie producer kind of thing, 424 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,200 you know, Mr. Big Bollocks. 425 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:52,400 And we were left in Clapham trying to pick up the pieces. 426 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,440 Andreas and I work together. 427 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,080 We both work on the fashion. 428 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,560 And he's been amazing. 429 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,680 There's an awful lot of work needed from a fashion designer 430 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,320 and Andreas does the half of it. 431 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,720 When you do a dress, you've got to 432 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,680 work out how to do everything, 433 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,640 there's every little decision, 434 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,360 you do it more than once. 435 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,040 Does it make her bust smaller? I always keep asking. 436 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,240 Maybe it's got so small 'cause she's losing weight, isn't she? 437 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,040 WESTWOOD: You do one first, then you make it up in the real fabric. 438 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,120 Yeah, a little bit of pads and it's nice. 439 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,360 -A little bit of what? -Shoulder pads. 440 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,400 Then you decide how you're going to sew it. 441 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,880 All the time, you're trying it on people. 442 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,320 KRONTHALER: What do you think, Vivienne? 443 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,280 It's really good now you've done that. 444 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,400 There is something here. 445 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,240 He needs me all the time. 446 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:27,120 I consider myself at this point in time, as his reference. 447 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,560 Call it "muse." I'm there to say yes or no, or... 448 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,200 "I don't think we should be doing that. 449 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:37,320 "I think it'd be much better if we tried it this way or..." 450 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:41,120 Whatever, this kind of thing. 451 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,000 PEPPE LOREFICE: Honestly, everybody knows, "Vivienne, Vivienne, Vivienne, Vivienne." 452 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,000 My real first shock 453 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:50,280 when I first met them back in 2010, 454 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,400 was the way that she was working with Andreas then. 455 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,920 At that time, 2010 or even before, since he arrived, nobody knew. 456 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,600 That was my real first shock. 457 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,960 It was like, "Wow!" 458 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:09,240 I thought that she was the designer, she was deciding everything. No. 459 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,680 She was working like 50-50 with him. 460 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,720 -Good? -Do you think so? 461 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,320 'Cause I think it needs something in the back. 462 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,720 I don't like it all see-through... 463 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:22,960 KRONTHALER: She can have knickers on. 464 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,080 WESTWOOD: Well, she's got knickers on. 465 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:25,640 I don't like to see the knickers. 466 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,840 KRONTHALER: Is there a tiny bit of cotton taffeta? 467 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,280 WESTWOOD: I mean, that's what we want. 468 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,200 That's exactly what we want, a bit of cotton taffeta. 469 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,440 CHRISTOPHER DI PIETRO: Vivienne and Andreas work in a very particular way 470 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,160 and I think it's a very old-fashioned way, 471 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:45,160 but it's really how the great couturiers have always worked. 472 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,120 They work with their hands. You know, they work on the body. 473 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,200 It's very physical. 474 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,800 Vivienne's clothes really have a rapport with the body as a result. 475 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,840 LOREFICE: She's really an old style teacher. 476 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,400 He is a mess. 477 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,840 Like a proper student art mess 478 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,600 which from the mess, 479 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,720 from the chaos, he can create. 480 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,800 [INDISTINCT CHATTERING] 481 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,160 KRONTHALER: I like to give my best 482 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:34,240 and I question what I do constantly. 483 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:38,800 Of course, there are days where I'm quite content 484 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:44,200 and maybe happy with who I am or what I have done. 485 00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:48,160 But most of the time, I'm not. I'm really, you know... 486 00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:50,000 It's hard work. 487 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,480 WESTWOOD: I mean, it quite suits this sort of business suit 488 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,120 she's got on to start with. 489 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:57,880 But if something's cleaner then maybe... 490 00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,760 Now, I don't know, but what's her second? 491 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,200 I mean, I quite like her hair scruffy as it is. 492 00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:04,840 I did like it, but I thought if we did like a weird Marilyn version, 493 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,200 lift the scruff up, it'd be quite interesting as well, on her. 494 00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:09,400 Yeah, I like that. 495 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,600 A little cardigan and drapey trousers. 496 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,200 -Like a jogging thing. -If she's got that, okay. 497 00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:18,640 All right, that's nice. Okay, then the clothes are all right with that. 498 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,000 No, that's her first look that one. 499 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,240 Okay, so we have to get this outfit for Grace 500 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,680 and what I want her to do... 501 00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:34,360 Um, somebody should tell her, or I'll tell her. 502 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,560 I'm changing her outfit. Where is she? I'll find her. 503 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,400 Oh, and you've got to change your hair. 504 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,720 I'm going back to change your hair. Where is he? 505 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,720 I'm changing her hair. 506 00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:55,680 WOMAN: Everyone in this area, 507 00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:58,600 you don't need to be standing around here. Move back. 508 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,400 If you're a dresser, stand right next to your rail. 509 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,520 CARLO D'AMARIO: I meet Vivienne. 510 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,080 It was at a fashion show in Paris. 511 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,280 At this time, to do fashion show in Paris 512 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,440 was very prestigious, no? 513 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,880 Okay, for me, "Okay, Vivienne, maybe I find a good customer," you know? 514 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,120 Because this woman was in Paris. 515 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,040 "Maybe there is some money. 516 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,680 "Maybe is a good customer for me." 517 00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:56,720 After two weeks, I'm in London to see Vivienne Westwood 518 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,360 and while I was there 519 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,240 I was very shocked about the situation. 520 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,080 Punk! Oh, dear. 521 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,800 Okay, I want to say, "Okay, bye. Thank you, sorry for that. 522 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,080 "And ciao, bye-bye," and go away. 523 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:13,480 Or I remain. 524 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,640 This in half second I must have decide. 525 00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:20,040 And the company was completely destroyed. 526 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,240 Okay, we start to work like that. 527 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,360 CORRE: Carlo is funny, I mean, I don't know. 528 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,800 Carlo used to have a business that was selling carpets 529 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:35,360 and second-hand watches and cars and things. 530 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,400 Kind of hippy trader kind of guy. 531 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:46,280 I try to take all my connection in Italy with Elio Fiorucci 532 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,520 to produce us in Italy, 533 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,240 to fix the industry with the creativity. 534 00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,960 I just happened to need to stay in Italy because that's where I was, 535 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:05,120 the producers were, and I was designing in a space there, 536 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,080 and working with this factory to begin with. 537 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,320 BELLA FREUD: When I was 22, I was living in Rome. 538 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:18,200 And then she was working in an Italian factory near Florence. 539 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,280 This factory was producing the Mini-Crini collection 540 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,800 and then when she went to Paris to do the collection, I helped, 541 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:32,280 and I remember being on the train with all the kind of final pieces 542 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,720 that had been done at the last minute, 543 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,480 and I was sleeping on the seats. 544 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,880 And then the show, you know, suddenly, 545 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,920 there was this show in Paris and it was just mind-blowing. 546 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,480 The most beautiful things. 547 00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:54,480 And all the spot shirts and... 548 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,520 It was just unlike anything else. 549 00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:02,960 It was so... Really being part of that, 550 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,320 you really felt like you were at the... 551 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,120 You know, it was something germinating and it just kept on and on. 552 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,440 It was wonderful. 553 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,720 [CHEERING] 554 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,320 [WHISTLING] 555 00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:33,320 D'AMARIO: One day I go with Fiorucci in '85. 556 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:37,360 "Elio, I need to find the people to sponsor Vivienne." 557 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:41,080 Elio say, "Don't worry. I call to Giorgio Armani." 558 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,600 At this time, Giorgio Armani was like Pope. 559 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,400 We speak with his partner. 560 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,120 "Okay, I want to produce Vivienne." 561 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:53,760 Good. 562 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,520 I'm rich. 563 00:39:55,560 --> 00:40:00,840 "Okay, sign the contract." £350,000 a year guarantee. 564 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:06,600 £350,000 at this time was a fortune. Okay. 565 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,920 WESTWOOD: Carlo had got a couple of really good opportunities for me, 566 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,960 but they were destroyed by Malcolm, 567 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,000 saying "You can't work with this woman, she's my partner. 568 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:23,400 "Your agreement with her is totally rubbish, you're wasting your money." 569 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,000 You know, "I'm going to take you to court." 570 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,800 It was that. I'd forgotten Malcolm by then. 571 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,680 And we lose the contract in a few words, it went... [MIMICS EXPLOSION] 572 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,840 WESTWOOD: When those things fell through, 573 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,120 I found myself back in England 574 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:50,200 and at that point I had to go and get Social Security. 575 00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:51,800 I didn't have any money at all. 576 00:40:54,520 --> 00:41:00,400 CORRE: I think we got a loan from my grandmother, Vivienne's mother, Dora, 577 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,920 because The Worlds End Shop had just been closed for, 578 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,920 don't know, a year and a half, two years? Something like that. 579 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,520 Erm, but the landlords hadn't rented it to anybody else 580 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,000 it was just still sitting there, 581 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,360 and even had a bit of stock still left in the back. 582 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,360 BEN WESTWOOD: My grandfather had just died 583 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,320 and my grandmother was at a loose end 584 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,480 so she came down to London, so this was 1985, 585 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,880 she came down to London and she worked here. 586 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,600 She'd worked in her own shop before, 587 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,800 so she knew what she was doing. 588 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,280 CORRE: And Vivienne also started to make a few things 589 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,160 on her old sewing machine again, to put in the store. 590 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,080 BEN: I had a driving licence and a car, 591 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,080 so I used to go and do pick up the rolls of fabric 592 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:53,280 and go to shirt makers and go to the tailor up in Camden Town. 593 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,000 CORRE: And we opened the store again. 594 00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:58,560 And even when we opened the store, 595 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,280 for the first three months, that had no electric in it 596 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,520 because that was all cut off and was trying 597 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,480 to light the store with candles and you know? 598 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:12,000 FREUD: I went back to London and then I started as her assistant. 599 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,960 Malcolm would behave really badly 600 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,360 and he'd made it very difficult for her, 601 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,840 and she just carried on working, she was working from her flat, 602 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,960 and it was just the two of us for a while. 603 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,800 Then, Murray started working, 604 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,600 and all sorts of people came but, that was way before Andreas. 605 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,600 MURRAY BLEWETT: I was 23, and I was a very young sort of 23, I guess. 606 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,360 And I was so honoured to be, sort of... 607 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:42,680 It was a big deal for me. 608 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,440 It was in Camden Town. 609 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,640 Carlo D'Amario used to call it Bombay. 610 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,240 It was really great. It was above an old carpet shop. 611 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,520 It was really rancid, really rickety and old, 612 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,080 and I loved it. 613 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:11,840 FREUD: You know, the people that were involved, 614 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,440 it was as if they'd discovered the meaning of life, 615 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,040 and it was the meaning of life. 616 00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,800 It's funny how clothes can be so emotional, 617 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,960 the making of these things that you put on 618 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,320 and they make you able to face the world, 619 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,640 and in a kind of, you know, spectacular way. 620 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,840 WESTWOOD: I had a success to start with. 621 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:53,640 But the way it works is that when you are new and you do something new, 622 00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,920 then everybody's on to you. They've discovered this new thing, 623 00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,480 and they all want to discover you all at the same time. 624 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:05,400 Then, you just get left and they want to know what's the next latest thing, 625 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,960 that's how the English press treated me. 626 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,120 I was always treated well in Italy. 627 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,480 TV HOST: I know every time you do a collection, they say, 628 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,360 "Crikey, Viv's blown it," don't they? 629 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,280 They say Viv's blown it, we don't know whether Viv's blown it this time 630 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,000 because this is the new collection, what's it called? 631 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,840 Well, I'd like to describe it, it's called Time Machine, this one. 632 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,520 HOST: Time Machine, here we go. 633 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:30,960 [AUDIENCE CHUCKLES] 634 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,320 Tell us about this one then. 635 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:37,240 FREUD: When she started, people mocked her. 636 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,520 Are people supposed to laugh? I mean, they're laughing. 637 00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,800 FREUD: I remember when she was on the Terry Wogan Show, 638 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,400 everyone laughed. 639 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,560 I mean, they didn't show the audience, which was literally... 640 00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,840 Everyone was over about 80. 641 00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,280 HOST: I mean, what's so... 642 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:52,600 If they don't stop laughing, 643 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,680 I shall tell the next person not to come on. 644 00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:56,840 HOST: Oh, dear, you're not to laugh. 645 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,640 Is this a winter collection? 646 00:44:58,680 --> 00:44:59,760 Yeah. 647 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,400 And I've never met this response before. 648 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,520 It's like Vivienne had been invited on the show to be a joke. 649 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,400 It was like she almost had to justify herself. 650 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,720 You design these clothes not because they're witty 651 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,080 but because you believe they are attractive 652 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:18,960 and they make people more attractive? 653 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,360 Yeah, that's it, yeah. 654 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,120 It really made me furious but she didn't give a fuck. 655 00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:25,680 She came out at the end and she said, 656 00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:29,320 "Oh, that was just the best reaction I have had since punk." 657 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,960 And on that note, we haven't upset you, have we? 658 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,680 -No. Not in the least. -You're very kind. 659 00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:35,480 Listen, I don't mind, in fact I'm quite pleased, 660 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,640 but I usually don't get that kind of reaction. It's strange. 661 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,080 Get this reaction, ladies and gentlemen, Vivienne Westwood. 662 00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:42,320 [AUDIENCE APPLAUDS] 663 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,120 CORRE: But there was loads and loads of that 664 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:48,960 where she was always considered the sort of joke, you know? 665 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,320 And in the end, they couldn't ignore her any more. 666 00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,880 WESTWOOD: I can't remember at what point the company became successful, 667 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:26,440 but eventually it did. 668 00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,360 I'm still not happy with my company 669 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,400 because at this point in time, 670 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,080 it's actually expanded too much for me. 671 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,240 Just the stripes are wrong, that's why it's not fastened. 672 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:45,160 WESTWOOD: I'm in danger of not being able to control everything properly, 673 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:50,360 and I certainly don't need to sell anything I don't like. 674 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,720 I don't know who's in charge of this kind of thing. 675 00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,720 Who's going to tell the factory that this is unacceptable? 676 00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,080 That's what I want to know. 677 00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,000 I don't even know who is going to tell them. 678 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:02,320 Don't worry, I'll find out. 679 00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:03,520 It's very lucky we tried it on, 680 00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,640 otherwise, nothing would have happened with this. 681 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,840 WESTWOOD: I need to reduce my product, 682 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:15,560 and I'm having to sort of pull it back and rework things all the time, 683 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,040 so that nothing gets left, 684 00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:23,160 so it gets tacky or it's done in not a good way or something. 685 00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,560 And, therefore, I don't want to expand 686 00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,440 because that means I can't, you know, look after 687 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:32,240 the problem that's close to me well enough, 688 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,240 'cause I've got too many things to deal with. 689 00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,400 This is Marcia who, of course, hasn't been introduced properly. 690 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,360 Yeah, hello, Marcia, I see. 691 00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:43,480 So she, now, is responsible, I've found, for selling this collection. 692 00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,920 Yeah, wait a minute, Marcia, did you sell it to Gregor yesterday? 693 00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,080 -Yes, we did. -'Cause he said you didn't know anything. 694 00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:50,600 The person who didn't know your name, 695 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,760 but you said she didn't understand the collection at all. 696 00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:55,480 So, that's you. 697 00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:59,760 So now I've interrupted, what do you want to tell me? Murray? 698 00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:01,560 I just wanted to introduce you, 699 00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,200 I mean, I've been working with Marcia today, 700 00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:06,560 she's getting a lot more informed now. 701 00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:08,920 Okay, and it's probably not your fault at all, 702 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,280 -you know, I mean, but because... -Let's change it up... 703 00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,440 No, it's not, it's not just that, 704 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,960 it's just that the connections aren't here. 705 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,640 The company has grown and it has become very big 706 00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:24,840 and she can't just press a button and undo all that. 707 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,720 She's got a duty to support the people 708 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,840 who are here who have worked for her. 709 00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:38,440 And it's very difficult to just undo some of those decisions 710 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,160 that have been made, not by her, by the way. 711 00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:45,360 You know, I don't know anything about the marketing people, as I've said. 712 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:46,760 I don't know what they do. 713 00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,080 I don't know what information they need from me. 714 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:53,000 Erm, maybe there should be some way that these people 715 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,600 start to understand early on what they're doing with the collection. 716 00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,320 -Mmm-hmm. -I'm really, really, you know, just so frustrated 717 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,600 as to trying to find out what the heck they're doing. 718 00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,440 I mean, they're wandering about doing, I think, damage. 719 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,200 I really don't know. 720 00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:12,280 And I'm still of that opinion, I still haven't found out what they do. 721 00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,800 They explain to me, ever so patiently always, what they do 722 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,720 and I come away and I don't know what they've been talking about really. 723 00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:24,480 DI PIETRO: I think some things were not exactly how she had envisaged them, 724 00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:30,720 um, and we are tweaking the concept, which is a normal thing. 725 00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:34,080 A company has to have some kind of growth plan 726 00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,440 but it's not about world domination. 727 00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,080 All right then, okay. 728 00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,640 It is about your visibility as a brand. 729 00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,760 HOST: We're honoured, ma'am, that you're able to be with us this evening, 730 00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,720 to present the 1990 Designer of the Year Award. 731 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:09,560 CORRE: That fashion industry was so against her from day one, 732 00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,320 they never liked her, 733 00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,880 and they didn't like to see her kind of come up. 734 00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:16,560 You know, it was embarrassing 735 00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,080 going to those fashion award things 736 00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,520 where they kept giving out the Designer of the Year 737 00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,000 to everybody else apart from her. 738 00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,280 Well, the winner, Vivienne Westwood. 739 00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,880 ANNOUNCER: Designer of the Year couldn't have gone to anyone else this year 740 00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:32,760 other than Vivienne Westwood. 741 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,840 The designers have made their thoughts known over the last couple of days 742 00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,560 and the fashion press have positively demanded it. 743 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,120 Good evening, everyone. 744 00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,600 [CHEERING] 745 00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,080 Oh! 746 00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,400 MAN: I think as a designer she's a loose cannon, really. 747 00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,280 Fashion needs continuity and an actual design philosophy, 748 00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:53,560 which I don't think she has. 749 00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:55,800 -HOST: But is she good? -Not in my opinion, no. 750 00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,400 CORRE: It just was a joke, you know. 751 00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,440 And in the end, they had to give it to her twice in a row 752 00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,560 because it was so fucking embarrassing for them. 753 00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:08,680 And it's my pleasure to announce that the Designer of the Year is... 754 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,360 Oh, dear, Vivienne Westwood. 755 00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,400 ANNOUNCER: So far, no designer has been awarded 756 00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,320 Designer of the Year twice in a row 757 00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:25,960 but Vivienne Westwood celebrated here tonight for her awesome contributions 758 00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,440 to the British and international fashion arena. 759 00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,080 Long may they last. 760 00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:41,480 The best thing about winning this award 761 00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,680 is a personal thing, 762 00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:46,280 the fact that one is appreciated. 763 00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,240 REPORTER: It's regarded as something of a disgrace in the fashion industry 764 00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:55,240 that it's taken 20 years for Vivienne Westwood to be given wider recognition 765 00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:59,400 and now that she has, that no financial sponsors had the courage to back her. 766 00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:04,200 PHOTOGRAPHER: Bring it up and perhaps above the head, it's nice and happy. 767 00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:11,040 WESTWOOD: So I don't' know at what point my company was a success. 768 00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:17,160 And I think I would remember when it did become a success, 769 00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,240 it's true. 770 00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,360 At one point, we closed our Davis Street shop 771 00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,000 to give it a coat of paint 772 00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,080 and we took a temporary shop in Conduit Street. 773 00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,240 But we really started to make a lot of money 774 00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,920 because we were on the track where people passed. 775 00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:35,200 We weren't out of the way. 776 00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,160 And then sales increased 777 00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:42,200 and we built it up from a real business of actually selling clothes. 778 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,160 REPORTER: Designer and activist, Dame Vivienne Westwood 779 00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,080 joined Greenpeace today, south of the North Pole, 780 00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:07,880 aboard the ship Esperanza, 781 00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:12,000 alongside scientists, she'll be observing the impact of climate change 782 00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:13,800 on the Arctic environment. 783 00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:33,320 WESTWOOD: About six or seven years ago, I read in The Guardian 784 00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:38,360 an article by this amazing scientist, James Lovelock. 785 00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:42,920 And he said he thought by the end of this century, the 21st century, 786 00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,760 he thought there would be one billion people left. 787 00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,600 You know, it just shocked me so much. 788 00:54:56,240 --> 00:54:59,880 It just froze me, I was traumatised. 789 00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:07,480 So I realised that this environmental problem 790 00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:11,840 was of incredible consuming urgency, 791 00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,640 the human race facing mass extinction. 792 00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:21,200 And then, of course, the point is what can we do to save ourselves? 793 00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:30,400 Throughout my life, all my motivation has been because 794 00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,920 I've been so upset about what can happen 795 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:37,080 to people in the world and I've always been so lucky. 796 00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:41,320 So everything became the urgent need to save the environment. 797 00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,920 WOMAN: So, Vivienne came down today. 798 00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,440 We've got this big climate march on the 21st of September. 799 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,360 I know it clashes in with Fashion Week. 800 00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:56,840 She wants banners done. 801 00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,280 -The deadline is the 18th. -Mmm-hmm. 802 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,680 And was wondering... [GROANS] 803 00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:08,240 Was wondering if you could kindly let your interns help us. 804 00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:09,440 Need to be done by the 18th. 805 00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:10,760 WOMAN 2: How many do you need? 806 00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,720 Around ten really big, beautiful fracking banners. 807 00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:14,920 That's quite a lot. 808 00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,240 That's what I mean, I feel really bad. 809 00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:24,320 WESTWOOD: I'm going to put "Democracy" shining over the top like rays of light 810 00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,080 because we don't have any democracy in England. 811 00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,040 KRONTHALER: We have a different approach 812 00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,480 in that she always likes to give it this meaning 813 00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:38,680 and she likes when clothes have this message, 814 00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:40,280 which I... 815 00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:46,560 Think is good or not good. I'm not sure. 816 00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:50,920 I'm a bit, sometimes, bored by it, but then she shouldn't hear that. 817 00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:56,280 I'm not very much bothered about this, you know? 818 00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:01,960 It just needs to look good and I need to like it and I'm happy with it. 819 00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:12,280 DI PIETRO: She cares deeply whether she's going to be able to change the world 820 00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:13,880 to make it a better place. 821 00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:15,320 Fracking! 822 00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,480 [CROWD SHOUTING] 823 00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:21,640 We're looking at everything we do and trying to do less. 824 00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,040 But the most sustainable thing you could do 825 00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:25,880 is shut the company down, perhaps. 826 00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:29,720 But actually, of course, we are employing a lot of people 827 00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,960 and you've got to do it in a more sustainable way. 828 00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,120 That's the answer, really. 829 00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:41,400 This is the most amazing thing I've ever thought of or said. 830 00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:47,280 The total rotten financial system is the enemy, it's like the hydra. 831 00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,440 Don't start chopping off... I shouldn't mention chopping heads now, 832 00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:55,000 but you've got to kill the machine that is destroying us. 833 00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:58,320 The only way to kill the machine is to change to a green economy 834 00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,880 which is a rich economy, a fair economy. 835 00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,760 So, if we could get everybody to switch 836 00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,120 to a green energy company, 837 00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,680 it would be the first step in the green economy. 838 00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:11,840 LOREFICE: Here, there's so many things going on. 839 00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:16,200 Here, there are like meetings, meetings, and meetings, 840 00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:21,400 company meetings, the bags meeting, shoes meetings. 841 00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:25,240 Then Vivienne, she keeps herself super busy with the climate revolution 842 00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,160 and all the appointments and the meetings that she has. 843 00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,880 NGO, blogs, website, 844 00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,120 so maybe the collection can be done in three days. 845 00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:35,640 I don't know, 846 00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:37,160 let's see how. 847 00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,120 This is so important to realise, 848 00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:45,160 to have a perspective of what is going on on our planet. 849 00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:46,960 [CROWD CHEERING] 850 00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,640 MAN: Thank you, Vivienne Westwood. 851 00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:51,800 KRONTHALER: We have to really hurry up now 852 00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:55,840 because now to cancel it is hara-kiri number five. 853 00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,240 We work on it, we don't even look at it. 854 00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:00,000 Not good. 855 00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,600 VIVIENNE: Andreas has been having such a hard time. 856 00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:07,640 He's so tired, really, and he's so upset. 857 00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,880 Because it's just such a hard work 858 00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:14,240 and he hasn't had much help from me 859 00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:16,040 and that's made a big difference. 860 00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:19,280 You know, we used to do it together 861 00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,680 but now I'm depending on him to do it 862 00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:23,760 mostly on his own, really, 863 00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:25,920 and it's too much for him, I know. 864 00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:30,240 It's really terrible. Anyway, so he's getting exhausted. 865 00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:32,120 Everything. 866 00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:37,440 Everything I asked you was not done. 867 00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:39,680 They had no socks on. I don't know why 868 00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:43,360 people don't go downstairs and get some socks from the shop. 869 00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,280 I mean, it's just... They're five people. 870 00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:50,320 No, that's true. There was no socks, and they were all... 871 00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,040 But they're downstairs. 872 00:59:55,680 --> 01:00:00,440 One flight of stair down and there are some socks. 873 01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,240 But they're all mixed. From the gold label, most of them. 874 01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,040 What do you mean, "mixed?" 875 01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:09,360 We had no socks. You had ten pairs of socks you tried all the fitting on. 876 01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:10,880 And they were spring-summer. 877 01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:12,440 This, I don't care. 878 01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:18,480 You just need to go downstairs in the shop and get the socks. 879 01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:30,680 I mean, that's just thick. 880 01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:35,800 Useless! 881 01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:42,720 I'll do it myself next time. 882 01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,040 For the socks? 883 01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:46,440 For everything. 884 01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:53,920 Anyway, you can go. Do your washing. 885 01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:57,680 Erm... 886 01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:00,280 Okay. 887 01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:15,920 They're all in plastic bags. 888 01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,040 Everything in see-through plastic bags. 889 01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,320 KRONTHALER: Just do another half-turn, please. 890 01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,280 -Okay. -Just like that. 891 01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,920 D'AMARIO: Fashion is one of the most tough businesses in the world. 892 01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,480 I'm very proud because if you see Vivienne Westwood, 893 01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:49,280 we are, yeah, big family around the world, no? 894 01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:53,480 We are in America, in Europe, in Asia, in India, everywhere. 895 01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:55,960 Hundred and twenty shop. 896 01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,280 We give a job for 400 person, 897 01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,200 and we're independent. 898 01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,680 If you see other people, Stella McCartney, McQueen, 899 01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:09,120 Galliano, Jean Paul Gaultier, 900 01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:13,560 everybody belongs to big corporate, 901 01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:15,920 and Vivienne is an independent. 902 01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:18,320 On top of Vivienne there is Vivienne, 903 01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:20,320 nobody tells to Vivienne what she must do. 904 01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:24,480 Of course, this kind of freedom, 905 01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:25,760 you must pay for that. 906 01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:29,920 Independent means you must work three times more. 907 01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:33,320 You just have to think, "I've got a few seconds 908 01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:35,400 "and I'm just going to look great." 909 01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,120 And in your head it should be, 910 01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:39,960 "Everybody loves me. 911 01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:43,800 "And today, I'm being grown up 912 01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:45,920 "because I'm wearing rather grown-up clothes." 913 01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:47,520 Okay. 914 01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:50,840 And you can be a bad child if you want, as well. If you want. 915 01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:52,320 [MODELS LAUGHING] 916 01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:04,640 LOREFICE: You see a fashion show and, of course, 917 01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:08,360 you got the make-up, you got the crazy hair. 918 01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:13,080 But, at the same time, we want to try to sell them. 919 01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,760 So, the day after, we have... What is that? 920 01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,040 The "presentation," 921 01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:24,720 to all our managers from London, Paris, Milan, L.A., New York, 922 01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:31,480 and our partner, which they come from Japan, Taiwan, China, South Korea, 923 01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:34,800 and who else knows better the collection 924 01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:37,840 than Vivienne and Andreas? Nobody else. 925 01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:45,800 Excuse me, either come or go, please. 926 01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:48,280 Either sit down or fuck off yourselves. 927 01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,920 Listen, our shops, erm... 928 01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,400 I decided that 929 01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:05,680 I want this company to be one that sells only things that I like 930 01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:09,320 and unfortunately it's expanded so quickly 931 01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:13,880 and I'm awfully suspicious that our expansion 932 01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:18,720 has been based more on quantity rather than quality. 933 01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,800 I'm not interested in the money. 934 01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:24,480 Sorry. And I know you are, 935 01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:26,160 but this is what I want. 936 01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:30,000 I want people to buy the best that we've got 937 01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:34,520 and build their customers and not expanding. 938 01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:37,800 Anyway, so, that's not Andreas, is it? 939 01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:40,160 -Andreas? -KRONTHALER: You continue. 940 01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:41,960 -Sorry? -KRONTHALER: You continue. 941 01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,360 No, I won't. I was waiting for you. 942 01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,280 KRONTHALER: But it's not my job to speak in front of all these people. 943 01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:49,920 Well, I thought it was, that's what we've been waiting for. 944 01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,600 Well, whose job is this, then? 945 01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,320 -The sales people. -Okay. 946 01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:57,320 I don't know where the sales people are. 947 01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:58,840 Who sells this collection? 948 01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:03,120 Anyway, last season we did it ourselves 949 01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:06,080 and they're probably expecting us to do it again, so there we are. 950 01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:13,520 Anyway, I really love the feeling of poverty about these things, 951 01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:17,240 the neutral colour and it's not in your face, 952 01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:18,840 it's just the woman. 953 01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:20,720 It's just not prepared. It's crazy. 954 01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:22,920 Looks absolutely great. 955 01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:27,640 Sorry, okay, so there in the collection, 956 01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:32,320 there were one or two things we didn't show because they didn't work. 957 01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:35,280 I've just to got to make sure that we take them out 958 01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:38,840 of what's on the rails and in the selling book. Anyway... 959 01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:56,560 ANDRE LEON TALLEY: She is a dress designer and she's an activist. 960 01:05:56,600 --> 01:06:00,520 She's passionate about other issues, other than just putting a dress on. 961 01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:03,840 What I'm very surprised is, 962 01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:07,680 and I think it's the height of elegance, is that on this day 963 01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:11,120 when she is opening a store in Manhattan, 964 01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:14,640 Vivienne has chosen not to fly across the pond 965 01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:17,200 and she's sitting at home working on her thesis 966 01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:21,640 about global warming or capitalism. 967 01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:23,920 She's very concerned about our planet. 968 01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:27,200 [BIRDS CHIRPING] 969 01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:32,560 WESTWOOD: I'm having a rave of a time. 970 01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:35,000 I've sorted the whole company out. 971 01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:37,600 I've got everybody doing what I want. 972 01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:40,120 The plan is we've got to work with the designers. 973 01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:41,480 That's what's been wrong. 974 01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:44,480 I can't believe, when I'm looking into it, 975 01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:47,240 there's shops worldwide. 976 01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:52,120 How many pairs of fucking plastic shoes we sell and all that stuff. 977 01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:54,840 I can't believe it. 978 01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:58,320 And, of course, I'm the designer and I've got total control 979 01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:00,120 because I can just say, 980 01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:04,880 "Look, if I don't like the design, then you can't... 981 01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:08,600 "If I don't like my own designs, I can't give them to you, 982 01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:10,280 "I've got artistic control." 983 01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:12,280 I mean, it's very, very simple. 984 01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:31,320 [INDISTINCT CHATTERING] 985 01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:34,800 WESTWOOD: I always wondered what it would look like with a black ceiling. 986 01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:36,440 I always wanted a black ceiling. 987 01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:38,280 Andreas won't do it. 988 01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:40,800 [SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY] 989 01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:43,840 I always like to try it and see if it works. 990 01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:46,400 Hello. Hello, Simone. 991 01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:49,400 -How are you? -I'm all right. Thank you. 992 01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:52,920 I haven't made my mind up about the shop yet. I'm just only... 993 01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:55,360 -You're just taking everything in. -Yeah, yeah. 994 01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:57,440 I've got to make my mind up. 995 01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:01,040 I'm in the process of absorbing it at the moment. 996 01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:03,600 [HISSING] 997 01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:06,160 WESTWOOD: It must stop growing, 998 01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:09,240 but it's very, very difficult to do that. 999 01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:12,640 But we've been trying to open the shop in Paris for the last ten years. 1000 01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:16,520 That doesn't mean to say we're expanding, that was in the plan before 1001 01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,680 and there's no reason to break that. 1002 01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:25,360 But then, Carlo, my manager, was planning to open a shop in Beijing 1003 01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:27,080 and I've stopped that. 1004 01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:30,240 [INDISTINCT CHATTERING] 1005 01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:34,720 LOREFICE: She wasn't happy design-wise. 1006 01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:36,960 Even to say she hates it. 1007 01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:38,240 I hate the music. 1008 01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:40,920 LOREFICE: It doesn't feel like Westwood, 1009 01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:44,320 but, at the same time, not even Vivienne Westwood or Andreas 1010 01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:45,800 knows where they are now. 1011 01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:55,920 That shop, it reflect 1012 01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:58,160 maybe even the problem we got inside, 1013 01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:00,480 because we have a problem. It's like being a family, 1014 01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:04,720 where you got the drunk aunty, you got the gay uncle, 1015 01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:06,920 you got, you know, the crazy kids, 1016 01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:10,600 you have this big family and you can't control them altogether. 1017 01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,120 But, at least we're still working on it. 1018 01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:18,680 WESTWOOD: It's very difficult, 1019 01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:22,920 but everything we do has got to be solved in a different way 1020 01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:26,400 in order to slowly get to this point 1021 01:09:26,440 --> 01:09:28,760 and, I don't know, it's really difficult 1022 01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:31,880 to get from here to there. That's all. 1023 01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:33,720 But we're slowly doing it. 1024 01:09:35,480 --> 01:09:37,720 REPORTER: The fashion world is honoured, with an OBE 1025 01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:40,320 going to the flamboyant fashion designer, Vivienne Westwood. 1026 01:09:41,480 --> 01:09:43,280 WESTWOOD: People were very impressed by it. 1027 01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:45,600 All the people who work with me 1028 01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:49,680 are very pleased because they feel that they share in it, really. 1029 01:09:56,080 --> 01:10:00,000 CORRE: There were a few things that I thought were milestones, I suppose. 1030 01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:05,000 One was when we bought the building for the head office. 1031 01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:07,320 That was quite a milestone because it felt like, 1032 01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:09,760 "Right, well, we kind of own that now." 1033 01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:13,840 I decided I couldn't work with Carlo. 1034 01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:17,480 It was, had to be one or the other of us, 1035 01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:21,480 and my mother decided that she needed him, 1036 01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:24,240 which hurt a bit, but I also felt I was young enough, 1037 01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:26,120 and I was kind of at the time where I wanted to go 1038 01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:27,920 and do something for myself anyway. 1039 01:10:29,480 --> 01:10:32,640 But before I left, the one thing that I made her do 1040 01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:36,400 was sign this licence deal with a Japanese company, 1041 01:10:36,440 --> 01:10:40,640 'cause I know the minimum royalties on this contract, she'll be okay. 1042 01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,480 Carlo hadn't wanted her to sign this deal, 1043 01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:49,240 and I made her sign the deal, and the lawyers, 1044 01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:50,840 in front of Carlo and everyone. 1045 01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:52,160 "You've got to sign this." 1046 01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:53,240 And after she'd done that, 1047 01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:55,200 I felt she was gonna be all right. 1048 01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:58,760 WESTWOOD: You're going to take this and show it to Martina at whatever stage, 1049 01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,080 and get that sorted out and I've got to tell you 1050 01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:03,200 which mesh to use. 1051 01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:04,720 There won't be any more pleats there 1052 01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,320 'cause this one is the one that just comes anyway 1053 01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:10,320 in the way the fabric's cut, there's no folding there. 1054 01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:11,400 Yeah. 1055 01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:13,840 -It's very nice. -Yeah. 1056 01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:17,720 I think it's going to look great, just going to put it on Kate Moss. 1057 01:11:18,440 --> 01:11:20,000 She'll look lovely in it. 1058 01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:24,280 Okay, so I'll give that to you. 1059 01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,040 Uh-huh, thank you. 1060 01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:29,760 Do you want to take this corset with you, as well? 1061 01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:31,440 And the corset, as well. 1062 01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:33,400 All right. 1063 01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:38,040 [AUDIENCE APPLAUDING] 1064 01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:45,000 KATE MOSS: Those shows, they were so outrageous. 1065 01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:47,920 You know, champagne was flowing, 1066 01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:51,680 and we'd go out naked and lollipops and, 1067 01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:53,960 you know, just outrageous, 1068 01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:57,160 but really glamorous at the same time. 1069 01:11:57,200 --> 01:12:00,720 They were the ones that went "Oh, my God!" It was so exciting. 1070 01:12:03,480 --> 01:12:04,960 [AUDIENCE GASPS] 1071 01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:11,000 That's now part of my history, which is fun. I've got the shoes. 1072 01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:13,480 There was a pair in the museum in London. 1073 01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:17,720 I got an insurance commercial out of it. 1074 01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:21,000 You know, it's done well for Vivienne and I, both. 1075 01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:23,680 [APPLAUDING] 1076 01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:31,360 MOSS: She's a rebel, isn't she? So... Which attracts me. 1077 01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:36,080 Coming from Croydon, we wanted to get out and she was like our Queen. 1078 01:13:22,440 --> 01:13:28,360 CHRISTINA HENDRICKS: Provocative, beautiful, respectful. 1079 01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:33,400 It's hard to imagine that one designer could be all of those things. 1080 01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:39,720 CARINE ROITFELD: I love her femininity, I love everything she do. 1081 01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,760 And she's not so young and she still can wear fashion. 1082 01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:44,680 And she's never ridiculous. 1083 01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:46,360 She's one of the only one, I think. 1084 01:13:48,440 --> 01:13:50,200 PAMELA ANDERSON: She's iconic. 1085 01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:54,080 And she's at the top of her game, she's so authentic. 1086 01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:57,000 And you know she's on this planet for a reason. 1087 01:13:57,040 --> 01:13:58,680 To stir it up a little bit. 1088 01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:01,520 [CHEERING] 1089 01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:19,400 BEN: She's a punk rocker. 1090 01:14:19,440 --> 01:14:21,120 She's the only punk rocker. 1091 01:14:35,440 --> 01:14:37,200 [CHEERING AND WHISTLING] 1092 01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:40,960 WESTWOOD: I can't be bothered. 1093 01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:43,280 Who wants to listen to all this stuff? 1094 01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:45,080 I mean, the film's only a certain length. 1095 01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:47,360 I'm sure there's more interesting things to put into it. 1096 01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:57,960 -[SHOUTING INDISTINCTLY] -Space! 1097 01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:04,880 [INDISTINCT CHATTERING] 1098 01:15:12,440 --> 01:15:15,200 KATE MOSS: I remembered the shows but I can't remember which one, 1099 01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:16,920 and we were back stage and she went, 1100 01:15:18,480 --> 01:15:21,720 "Kate, you know I've never been into girls 1101 01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:23,720 "but I could have got into you." 1102 01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:27,240 And then, like, hugged me. 1103 01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:30,280 She was like, "I could have been her only lesbian lover." 1104 01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:32,760 Ker-ching! 1105 01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:40,600 [INDISTINCT CHATTERING] 1106 01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:52,400 The position of Vivienne now is a part of the system, no? 1107 01:15:52,440 --> 01:15:54,760 Like Lady Diana, like Big Ben, 1108 01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:56,360 like, "Mind the gap," 1109 01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:58,920 "good morning," Travel Express, this kind of thing. 1110 01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:03,040 [INDISTINCT CHATTERING] 1111 01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:12,160 You know, Vivienne is very outspoken person. 1112 01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:16,200 Sometimes too outspoken, silly outspoken, you know. 1113 01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:19,560 She knows it. 1114 01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:22,640 But you need people like this. 1115 01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:25,840 These are the people who are changing things. 1116 01:16:37,480 --> 01:16:39,480 [INDISTINCT CHATTERING] 1117 01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:52,560 [INDISTINCT CHATTERING] 1118 01:17:05,440 --> 01:17:07,440 [APPLAUDING] 1119 01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:22,480 [INDISTINCT CHATTERING] 1120 01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:27,440 -WESTWOOD: What's his name? -MAN: Tinie, Tinie Tempah. 1121 01:17:27,480 --> 01:17:28,840 -Tinie Tempah. -Yes. 1122 01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:30,800 [ALL LAUGHING] 1123 01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:34,440 But I'm a quite well-known musician, but... 1124 01:17:34,480 --> 01:17:37,800 Yeah, I'm sure, 'cause I just don't follow pop things, you know. 1125 01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:39,080 I understand. 1126 01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:41,800 -Tinie Tempah, is that... -Tinie Tempah, correct. 1127 01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:48,040 I'm very good on lyrics, you know, and sound bites and everything. 1128 01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:49,760 -Inspiration. -Yes. 1129 01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:51,520 [INDISTINCT CHATTERING]