1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,162 WWW.MY-SUBS.CO 1 00:01:30,632 --> 00:01:32,885 When I was six, my grandmother died. 2 00:01:35,721 --> 00:01:37,723 My father drove us to his hometown 3 00:01:37,806 --> 00:01:40,184 of Wiggins, South Carolina for her funeral. 4 00:01:43,937 --> 00:01:46,899 I had never met her, so her death didn't mean much to me… 5 00:01:49,651 --> 00:01:51,612 though it made my father very sad. 6 00:01:55,699 --> 00:01:57,659 I was afraid of her in that coffin. 7 00:01:58,327 --> 00:02:01,747 She was part of something that, even at six, I wondered about. 8 00:02:02,956 --> 00:02:04,374 The place after this one. 9 00:02:10,589 --> 00:02:12,620 I worried she was looking down 10 00:02:12,645 --> 00:02:14,909 and didn't like us because we were young. 11 00:04:34,107 --> 00:04:35,442 Where's Dr. Zicherman? 12 00:04:39,571 --> 00:04:40,697 Excuse me. 13 00:04:42,115 --> 00:04:43,325 Where's Dr. Zicherman? 14 00:04:44,618 --> 00:04:45,827 He's on vacation. 15 00:04:47,704 --> 00:04:48,914 He didn't tell you? 16 00:04:51,166 --> 00:04:52,167 No. 17 00:04:52,793 --> 00:04:54,753 That seems so unlike him. 18 00:04:56,255 --> 00:04:57,714 Do you see him every Tuesday? 19 00:04:58,549 --> 00:04:59,591 No, just... 20 00:05:00,843 --> 00:05:02,427 Just, you know. 21 00:05:03,804 --> 00:05:05,806 No, I don't know. 22 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:09,810 Just if I need to. 23 00:05:12,604 --> 00:05:14,940 Well, that's an uncommon arrangement. 24 00:05:18,652 --> 00:05:19,903 How'd you know I'd be here? 25 00:05:20,779 --> 00:05:23,740 Routine schedule is foundational in the doctor-patient relationship. 26 00:05:23,824 --> 00:05:26,034 But how did you know I'd be here? 27 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,204 I don't understand the question. 28 00:05:30,122 --> 00:05:32,332 But Dr. Zicherman and I don't have a routine. 29 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,960 How did you know I had an appointment today? 30 00:05:36,044 --> 00:05:37,421 We have a daily schedule. 31 00:05:38,088 --> 00:05:39,298 Your name was on it. 32 00:05:45,721 --> 00:05:46,722 Why are you here? 33 00:05:48,765 --> 00:05:50,184 Because I had an appointment. 34 00:05:50,809 --> 00:05:51,810 No. 35 00:05:52,728 --> 00:05:53,854 Why are you here? 36 00:05:57,482 --> 00:05:58,650 The charges involved 37 00:05:58,734 --> 00:06:01,778 selling unregistered weapons and crossing state lines to do so. 38 00:06:04,281 --> 00:06:05,657 Why are you here? 39 00:06:07,242 --> 00:06:08,410 I just told you. 40 00:06:10,245 --> 00:06:11,371 Why are you? 41 00:06:13,415 --> 00:06:14,875 To treat mental illness. 42 00:06:17,085 --> 00:06:18,253 Came to the right place. 43 00:06:21,882 --> 00:06:24,051 I'm not in law enforcement. I'm not a judge. 44 00:06:24,134 --> 00:06:26,887 I don't concern myself with the crimes of the men I treat. 45 00:06:27,471 --> 00:06:30,307 My sole concern is protecting their mental health. 46 00:06:32,601 --> 00:06:34,728 Sounds like you found your purpose in life. 47 00:06:42,736 --> 00:06:44,696 Do you prefer James or Jimmy? 48 00:06:48,951 --> 00:06:49,952 Jimmy. 49 00:06:51,954 --> 00:06:52,996 Jimmy. 50 00:06:55,290 --> 00:06:58,627 Some people's psyches are so much more fragile 51 00:06:58,710 --> 00:06:59,983 than most people 52 00:07:00,007 --> 00:07:01,981 you've probably encountered in your life. 53 00:07:02,005 --> 00:07:03,715 Or your own, for example. 54 00:07:06,301 --> 00:07:08,637 How do you know anything about my psyche? 55 00:07:10,764 --> 00:07:12,451 I don't know much. 56 00:07:13,131 --> 00:07:16,131 But I suspect you're of fairly sound mind. 57 00:07:18,188 --> 00:07:19,273 Good to know. 58 00:07:19,356 --> 00:07:20,983 But some of my patients are not. 59 00:07:21,066 --> 00:07:25,237 They're one wrong thought, 60 00:07:26,071 --> 00:07:30,993 one termite of an unhealthy idea from losing their minds. 61 00:07:32,244 --> 00:07:33,370 If they break, 62 00:07:33,954 --> 00:07:37,165 sometimes the person they were never comes back from the break. 63 00:07:37,249 --> 00:07:40,460 They become ghosts in their own bodies. 64 00:07:42,546 --> 00:07:44,089 Why are you telling me this? 65 00:07:49,136 --> 00:07:51,138 I'm asking you for compassion 66 00:07:51,221 --> 00:07:53,390 when you deal with some of the men in here. 67 00:07:56,268 --> 00:07:57,394 Some of the men? 68 00:08:00,522 --> 00:08:01,773 Jimmy… 69 00:08:02,649 --> 00:08:03,650 Doctor. 70 00:08:05,652 --> 00:08:07,446 - I'm asking... - Asking what? 71 00:08:09,489 --> 00:08:13,952 Are you a threat to the mental health of any of my patients? 72 00:08:16,288 --> 00:08:17,289 Which patients? 73 00:08:18,790 --> 00:08:21,251 I'm giving you an opportunity for candor here. 74 00:08:22,836 --> 00:08:26,089 I urge you to take it seriously. 75 00:08:31,678 --> 00:08:35,182 Which… patients? 76 00:08:59,748 --> 00:09:03,418 After they buried my grandmother, my father drove us to the ocean. 77 00:09:06,004 --> 00:09:08,465 It was the only time I would ever see the ocean. 78 00:09:58,557 --> 00:10:00,971 When they were looking for Tricia Reitler, 79 00:10:00,995 --> 00:10:03,055 Larry drove Marion PD 80 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,648 up and down these roads over and over and over again. 81 00:10:07,858 --> 00:10:09,860 "I think I buried her here. 82 00:10:09,943 --> 00:10:11,236 No, it was here. 83 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:12,779 Maybe it was there. 84 00:10:12,863 --> 00:10:15,282 No, I think I buried her under a tree." 85 00:10:15,365 --> 00:10:16,408 Exactly. 86 00:10:16,491 --> 00:10:19,220 That night before I take him back to Illinois, they go back out there. 87 00:10:19,244 --> 00:10:20,746 Same area, same result. 88 00:10:20,829 --> 00:10:23,373 I think she's there. Somewhere. 89 00:10:25,459 --> 00:10:27,628 That's why he dragged them back out a second time. 90 00:10:27,711 --> 00:10:29,755 Son of a bitch couldn't get enough of it. 91 00:10:32,925 --> 00:10:35,260 Let me see if I can get my hands on these reports. 92 00:11:23,851 --> 00:11:24,852 All right. 93 00:11:26,687 --> 00:11:28,981 They took a left up here before the lake. 94 00:11:35,529 --> 00:11:37,197 There's nothing but fields out here. 95 00:11:40,659 --> 00:11:43,412 That's a nice gas station for the middle of nowhere. 96 00:11:43,495 --> 00:11:45,038 Yeah. 97 00:11:47,124 --> 00:11:50,752 All right, there should be a haul road right up here. Take a right there. 98 00:12:45,557 --> 00:12:48,018 - Well, good morning, James. - Morning, Larry. 99 00:12:48,560 --> 00:12:50,479 I didn't see you yesterday. 100 00:12:51,146 --> 00:12:53,565 Nothing happened that didn't happen the day before. 101 00:12:54,274 --> 00:12:55,984 And the day before that, right? 102 00:12:58,028 --> 00:12:59,404 How was your day? 103 00:12:59,488 --> 00:13:00,989 It was good. Thanks for asking. 104 00:13:01,657 --> 00:13:02,699 Gary visited. 105 00:13:03,450 --> 00:13:05,202 - That's cool. - It was. 106 00:13:05,702 --> 00:13:08,455 Always nice to see family. Is he into cars too? 107 00:13:09,414 --> 00:13:11,416 A little. Well, not like me. 108 00:13:11,500 --> 00:13:12,918 But the Civil War stuff? 109 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:16,672 He didn't stick with it. 110 00:13:18,632 --> 00:13:19,716 That's a shame. 111 00:13:20,300 --> 00:13:22,678 He married a stinky bitch. 112 00:13:24,721 --> 00:13:25,722 Well… 113 00:13:25,806 --> 00:13:28,475 She thinks it's "playing dress-up." 114 00:13:30,435 --> 00:13:31,770 She said that? 115 00:13:31,854 --> 00:13:32,938 Oh, yeah. 116 00:13:33,605 --> 00:13:35,232 So I said to her... I said, 117 00:13:35,315 --> 00:13:39,403 "You would be a grandmother in Civil War times. An old hag." 118 00:13:39,486 --> 00:13:40,946 Nobody would fight for her. 119 00:13:42,656 --> 00:13:43,782 Brides were young. 120 00:13:44,366 --> 00:13:45,367 Unspoiled. 121 00:13:48,161 --> 00:13:49,913 People married younger then. 122 00:13:50,163 --> 00:13:51,415 Much younger. Yeah. 123 00:13:53,083 --> 00:13:56,670 My great-grandmother had my grandmother when she was just 14. 124 00:13:57,588 --> 00:13:59,464 That was perfectly normal back then. 125 00:14:00,632 --> 00:14:02,926 Until the government saw a way to make money. 126 00:14:04,928 --> 00:14:06,471 By raising the age of consent? 127 00:14:07,055 --> 00:14:08,056 Exactly. 128 00:14:08,932 --> 00:14:11,185 Nobody attended a high school back then. 129 00:14:11,268 --> 00:14:12,769 There was no such thing. 130 00:14:13,353 --> 00:14:14,688 But, once the government saw 131 00:14:14,771 --> 00:14:17,149 that there was money to be made in high schools, 132 00:14:17,232 --> 00:14:19,067 well, then greed trumps all. 133 00:14:19,151 --> 00:14:21,570 It's not about education. 134 00:14:21,653 --> 00:14:23,697 - No? - No, it's about... 135 00:14:23,780 --> 00:14:25,949 It's about forcing kids to delay growing up. 136 00:14:26,533 --> 00:14:29,453 So that their parents can spend every extra dime on tuition, 137 00:14:29,536 --> 00:14:30,746 and everyone makes money. 138 00:14:30,829 --> 00:14:34,208 And that's what's going to bankrupt the country someday. 139 00:14:38,420 --> 00:14:41,173 You know, I never thought about it that way, 140 00:14:41,965 --> 00:14:43,425 but damn. 141 00:14:44,009 --> 00:14:45,344 You could be onto something. 142 00:14:46,053 --> 00:14:47,179 You think? 143 00:14:48,514 --> 00:14:50,182 You got a fresh perspective. 144 00:14:51,308 --> 00:14:52,935 You must have heard that before. 145 00:14:54,186 --> 00:14:55,312 Thank you. 146 00:14:57,564 --> 00:15:00,484 So these brides were how young? 147 00:15:03,403 --> 00:15:06,198 Twelve, 13 for sure. 148 00:15:07,866 --> 00:15:10,536 Old enough to pee, old enough for me. Right? 149 00:15:12,037 --> 00:15:13,121 That's funny. 150 00:15:14,122 --> 00:15:15,123 Hey… 151 00:15:17,376 --> 00:15:18,377 So what's the... 152 00:15:20,045 --> 00:15:21,713 What's the youngest you ever had? 153 00:15:23,090 --> 00:15:24,091 What? 154 00:15:28,470 --> 00:15:30,180 The youngest you ever had. 155 00:15:34,059 --> 00:15:35,519 You first. 156 00:15:36,186 --> 00:15:37,354 Why? I asked first. 157 00:15:40,107 --> 00:15:41,149 You first. 158 00:15:44,486 --> 00:15:45,487 Fourteen. 159 00:15:47,531 --> 00:15:48,824 Did she fight back? 160 00:15:49,324 --> 00:15:51,285 No. You had some fighters? 161 00:15:52,202 --> 00:15:53,370 How old were you? 162 00:15:55,163 --> 00:15:56,164 With the 14-year-old? 163 00:15:59,585 --> 00:16:00,878 She was a freshman. 164 00:16:00,961 --> 00:16:03,172 I was a senior, so I was 17. 165 00:16:03,255 --> 00:16:04,715 - What? - Seventeen. 166 00:16:07,217 --> 00:16:08,468 Larry. 167 00:16:10,012 --> 00:16:11,054 Is it still dripping? 168 00:16:11,138 --> 00:16:12,431 Drip's turned into leaks. 169 00:16:32,951 --> 00:16:37,289 He had 'em drive up and down 400 East several times. 170 00:16:37,372 --> 00:16:39,708 440 South is mentioned four times. 171 00:16:39,791 --> 00:16:43,504 So is 250 East and 375 South. 172 00:16:44,213 --> 00:16:45,422 This is pointless. 173 00:16:45,506 --> 00:16:47,716 He took 'em up and down 550 East the most. 174 00:16:47,799 --> 00:16:50,636 Six times the first time. Five times the second. 175 00:16:50,719 --> 00:16:56,475 Okay. 550 intersects with 400 at that gas station. 176 00:16:56,975 --> 00:17:00,270 Maybe they stopped for sodas and bathroom breaks. 177 00:17:02,231 --> 00:17:03,625 I doubt that gas station was there. 178 00:17:03,649 --> 00:17:04,816 That looked pretty new. 179 00:17:05,317 --> 00:17:06,527 So, what was there? 180 00:17:13,492 --> 00:17:14,617 Here it is. 181 00:17:16,703 --> 00:17:21,458 Construction at 550-400 intersection. 182 00:18:33,363 --> 00:18:34,781 Hey, there a manager around? 183 00:18:39,494 --> 00:18:41,705 Dale only comes in a couple times a week. 184 00:18:42,206 --> 00:18:43,207 The rest of the time? 185 00:18:44,124 --> 00:18:46,627 It's just me and Keith. He works the 3:00 to 11:00. 186 00:18:47,211 --> 00:18:48,545 How long you been here? 187 00:18:48,629 --> 00:18:49,922 Since 6:00. 188 00:18:50,422 --> 00:18:52,841 No, not today. How long have you worked here? 189 00:18:53,467 --> 00:18:54,468 Six months. 190 00:18:55,552 --> 00:18:57,971 Would you know how long this place has been open? 191 00:18:58,847 --> 00:19:00,307 A few years, I think. 192 00:19:00,891 --> 00:19:02,309 Dale and Keith know exactly? 193 00:19:03,685 --> 00:19:05,562 Dale's been here since the beginning. 194 00:19:06,313 --> 00:19:07,439 Got his number? 195 00:19:10,609 --> 00:19:11,693 Thank you. 196 00:19:14,947 --> 00:19:16,198 You work on cars here? 197 00:19:16,782 --> 00:19:17,908 No, sir. 198 00:19:17,991 --> 00:19:19,243 Know anybody who does? 199 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:21,703 Not local, no. 200 00:19:26,792 --> 00:19:29,127 Where's the nearest auto parts dealer around here? 201 00:19:32,548 --> 00:19:35,092 I don't know. Not into cars. 202 00:19:37,553 --> 00:19:38,846 John Dickey though… 203 00:19:40,639 --> 00:19:42,224 "John Dickey though," what? 204 00:19:42,307 --> 00:19:43,767 He's like a Mr. Fixit. 205 00:19:44,268 --> 00:19:46,252 People bring him stuff to fix sometimes, 206 00:19:46,276 --> 00:19:48,276 but it ain't, like, official. 207 00:19:48,564 --> 00:19:50,524 Uh-huh. John Dickey? 208 00:19:51,108 --> 00:19:53,527 John Dickey Hansen. He runs a bait shop up the road. 209 00:19:58,574 --> 00:19:59,783 Okay, thanks. 210 00:20:09,126 --> 00:20:12,212 The manager said the station opened in the spring of '94. 211 00:20:13,422 --> 00:20:17,759 He says he believes they broke ground around midsummer of '93. 212 00:20:22,055 --> 00:20:23,515 Fucking Larry Hall. 213 00:20:42,367 --> 00:20:44,828 I heard you tried to get some product in here. 214 00:20:47,789 --> 00:20:48,790 Don't do that. 215 00:20:51,001 --> 00:20:52,711 A shrug is a nonanswer, 216 00:20:52,794 --> 00:20:56,048 and a nonanswer is disrespectful. 217 00:20:56,131 --> 00:20:57,341 I thought about it, 218 00:20:57,424 --> 00:21:00,427 but it turned out I couldn't get it in here. 219 00:21:08,018 --> 00:21:09,102 But let's say you had. 220 00:21:10,229 --> 00:21:13,440 And you used it to dig someone out of some trouble 221 00:21:13,524 --> 00:21:15,025 they're having on the outside. 222 00:21:21,156 --> 00:21:24,201 Now, that would help them. Maybe it'd help you. 223 00:21:25,410 --> 00:21:27,287 But I don't see how it would help me. 224 00:21:28,288 --> 00:21:30,207 I'm not sure I understand. 225 00:21:39,967 --> 00:21:44,221 A man who can't get help anywhere else eventually comes to me. 226 00:21:46,098 --> 00:21:47,599 And then he's in my debt. 227 00:21:50,435 --> 00:21:53,146 My apologies. Sincerely. 228 00:21:54,940 --> 00:21:56,358 I fucked up. I had no idea. 229 00:21:58,485 --> 00:21:59,778 All right. 230 00:22:05,075 --> 00:22:07,536 I asked around about you. In Milwaukee. 231 00:22:09,329 --> 00:22:12,624 You checked out. Flying colors. 232 00:22:13,667 --> 00:22:18,380 Everyone knew someone who knew someone who knew you and spoke highly of you. 233 00:22:19,047 --> 00:22:20,174 That's nice. 234 00:22:26,597 --> 00:22:31,435 But no one could remember laying eyes on you directly. 235 00:22:34,104 --> 00:22:36,773 Everyone knew someone who said they had, 236 00:22:38,192 --> 00:22:41,236 but no one had actually done it themselves. 237 00:22:43,030 --> 00:22:44,364 What do you make of that? 238 00:22:46,533 --> 00:22:47,868 They need to get out more. 239 00:22:53,790 --> 00:22:55,250 Is that what they need to do? 240 00:23:15,145 --> 00:23:16,355 Do you have kids? 241 00:23:17,606 --> 00:23:19,399 How was your week, Larry? 242 00:23:19,483 --> 00:23:20,984 I'm just asking. 243 00:23:21,985 --> 00:23:23,487 Would you describe it as productive? 244 00:23:23,570 --> 00:23:25,072 I'm just asking! 245 00:23:26,114 --> 00:23:29,618 And you have asked before. Several times over the years. 246 00:23:30,744 --> 00:23:32,454 And what has been my response? 247 00:23:33,705 --> 00:23:35,082 I'm just curious. 248 00:23:35,791 --> 00:23:37,417 What has been my response? 249 00:23:38,794 --> 00:23:42,631 You don't discuss your personal life. 250 00:23:43,757 --> 00:23:44,758 Correct. 251 00:23:44,842 --> 00:23:47,845 That's all that I discuss. 252 00:23:47,928 --> 00:23:50,138 Because you are the patient, and I am the doctor. 253 00:23:52,349 --> 00:23:57,521 Can't we try, like, role reversal? 254 00:23:58,105 --> 00:23:59,940 Isn't that therapeutic? 255 00:24:01,608 --> 00:24:04,319 And what would you say to me if you were my doctor? 256 00:24:05,946 --> 00:24:07,739 Bitch, tell me your dreams! 257 00:24:16,164 --> 00:24:17,875 I bet they smell good. 258 00:24:18,959 --> 00:24:20,377 Your children. 259 00:24:23,005 --> 00:24:24,423 What's troubling you? 260 00:24:24,506 --> 00:24:25,507 Nothing. 261 00:24:26,091 --> 00:24:28,760 You often use provocation to mask vulnerability. 262 00:24:30,888 --> 00:24:34,349 I'm not vulnerable. You're vulnerable. 263 00:24:36,101 --> 00:24:37,436 You seem agitated. 264 00:24:38,187 --> 00:24:39,855 I'm perfectly fucking fine. 265 00:24:40,439 --> 00:24:44,868 It's the best mood I've been in for years, 266 00:24:45,217 --> 00:24:47,217 and you don't like it. 267 00:24:47,946 --> 00:24:50,032 Why wouldn't I like it? 268 00:24:50,866 --> 00:24:53,660 Because if I got better 269 00:24:54,244 --> 00:24:57,164 and I told people how, 270 00:24:57,247 --> 00:24:59,374 and then those people got better… 271 00:25:04,087 --> 00:25:05,756 you'd have no job. 272 00:25:08,467 --> 00:25:09,468 Then I'd retire. 273 00:25:10,677 --> 00:25:11,970 You... Then you'd retire. 274 00:25:14,181 --> 00:25:16,642 And have tea with your daughters. 275 00:25:18,060 --> 00:25:22,147 Watch them bend over to do their gardening. 276 00:25:23,315 --> 00:25:25,234 What's making you feel so good? 277 00:25:26,652 --> 00:25:27,694 My appeal. 278 00:25:29,321 --> 00:25:30,822 You have fresh news about it? 279 00:25:33,617 --> 00:25:34,618 Let's just say 280 00:25:34,701 --> 00:25:38,664 that there are positive signs if you know how to read them. 281 00:25:40,749 --> 00:25:42,376 That would explain your affect. 282 00:25:42,876 --> 00:25:44,169 What's my affect? 283 00:25:45,504 --> 00:25:46,755 Confident. 284 00:25:48,715 --> 00:25:49,800 Almost cocky. 285 00:25:53,011 --> 00:25:57,182 Sometimes a man has every reason to feel that way. 286 00:26:00,435 --> 00:26:02,479 Well, I've seen you confident before. 287 00:26:02,563 --> 00:26:03,564 When? 288 00:26:04,106 --> 00:26:08,569 When you talk about Civil War history and engines and old car parts. 289 00:26:10,904 --> 00:26:12,489 I've just never seen you cocky. 290 00:26:14,575 --> 00:26:16,285 That seems more like your friend. 291 00:26:17,828 --> 00:26:18,829 What friend? 292 00:26:21,665 --> 00:26:22,749 You mean James. 293 00:26:24,042 --> 00:26:28,172 You know who I mean, Larry. He's very charismatic. 294 00:26:28,672 --> 00:26:29,840 You've met him? 295 00:26:30,841 --> 00:26:31,967 Our paths crossed. 296 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,888 I see what you respond to in him. 297 00:26:37,347 --> 00:26:41,518 He gives off the aura of someone who's never known regret. 298 00:26:42,186 --> 00:26:45,022 He decides something, he does it. He never looks back. 299 00:26:50,444 --> 00:26:51,862 You'd think that, but… 300 00:26:54,281 --> 00:26:57,201 Well, but he has known regret. 301 00:26:57,284 --> 00:26:58,911 He does regret things. 302 00:26:58,994 --> 00:27:00,746 He has known pain. 303 00:27:01,246 --> 00:27:06,627 But he doesn't, you know, let it warp him. 304 00:27:07,586 --> 00:27:12,049 Is that how you see yourself? Warped by pain? 305 00:27:14,510 --> 00:27:16,053 Not lately. 306 00:27:19,556 --> 00:27:20,766 Because of James. 307 00:27:26,772 --> 00:27:27,773 I'm… 308 00:27:29,858 --> 00:27:31,860 I'm not alone anymore. 309 00:27:44,873 --> 00:27:46,625 When I was in seventh grade, 310 00:27:46,708 --> 00:27:49,294 Cooper Ross told me, "You're so nice," 311 00:27:49,378 --> 00:27:50,712 and then he turned red 312 00:27:50,796 --> 00:27:53,298 and couldn't look me in the eyes for a few minutes. 313 00:28:18,115 --> 00:28:19,116 Hello. 314 00:28:41,638 --> 00:28:42,806 Help you? 315 00:28:42,890 --> 00:28:44,725 Are you John Dickey Hansen? 316 00:28:45,267 --> 00:28:47,352 Well, you can call me JD, if you like. 317 00:28:48,437 --> 00:28:49,688 You sell auto parts here? 318 00:28:50,189 --> 00:28:51,993 Well, if I happen across something that's 319 00:28:52,005 --> 00:28:53,734 worth putting an ad in the Auto Trader, 320 00:28:53,817 --> 00:28:54,818 I might do so. 321 00:28:55,402 --> 00:28:56,570 You ever meet this guy? 322 00:28:59,448 --> 00:29:00,490 That's Larry. 323 00:29:01,033 --> 00:29:02,367 So, you know him well? 324 00:29:02,451 --> 00:29:03,869 No, miss. 325 00:29:04,578 --> 00:29:07,289 He's just memorable. 326 00:29:07,372 --> 00:29:09,458 Those mutton chops, whatnot. 327 00:29:10,876 --> 00:29:12,294 Help me out with "whatnot." 328 00:29:16,632 --> 00:29:19,927 He's as creepy as all fuck, you know? Excuse me. 329 00:29:20,010 --> 00:29:22,221 No, speak freely. 330 00:29:22,304 --> 00:29:24,806 Well, I sold him a pair of slotted brake rotors 331 00:29:24,890 --> 00:29:27,184 for a '79 Dodge B200 332 00:29:27,267 --> 00:29:31,230 back about, I don't know, '92, '93. 333 00:29:31,813 --> 00:29:33,649 Seemed a harmless squirt of a fella. 334 00:29:34,233 --> 00:29:36,276 Had that look of somebody who'd never been hugged. 335 00:29:36,860 --> 00:29:38,445 Not even as a baby. 336 00:29:39,863 --> 00:29:43,242 You know, I guess I was too kind to him, 337 00:29:43,325 --> 00:29:47,079 'cause he started coming back even when he didn't need a part. 338 00:29:47,746 --> 00:29:52,459 Started just hanging around, talking up the young girls. 339 00:29:53,752 --> 00:29:55,003 Anything ever happen? 340 00:29:55,963 --> 00:29:58,590 What do you mean, like bad? No. 341 00:29:58,674 --> 00:30:00,342 We run him off after a while. 342 00:30:01,051 --> 00:30:03,637 Every now and then I wonder what ever became of him. 343 00:30:05,514 --> 00:30:09,017 Since you're coming around asking about him, figure it ain't good. 344 00:30:10,269 --> 00:30:11,436 Why'd you run him off? 345 00:30:13,814 --> 00:30:15,691 He made too many of the girls uncomfortable. 346 00:30:16,608 --> 00:30:17,776 Including my own. 347 00:30:20,612 --> 00:30:21,613 Audrey. 348 00:30:21,697 --> 00:30:26,118 She was a teenager then, but Larry took a shine to her. 349 00:30:27,202 --> 00:30:28,912 Sure didn't sit right with me. 350 00:30:29,621 --> 00:30:30,706 Is Audrey around? 351 00:30:31,206 --> 00:30:34,626 She's in town running some errands. Should be back soon. 352 00:30:37,004 --> 00:30:38,338 You mind if we wait around? 353 00:30:39,798 --> 00:30:40,924 Not in the least. 354 00:30:54,188 --> 00:30:57,566 When I was 12, my sister and I got new sneakers. 355 00:31:00,402 --> 00:31:03,780 And almost immediately, we stepped in cow pies, 356 00:31:03,864 --> 00:31:06,992 even though our parents told us to stay clear of that field. 357 00:31:17,461 --> 00:31:19,463 Took hours for those shoes to dry. 358 00:31:25,219 --> 00:31:27,346 I don't remember anything we talked about. 359 00:31:31,058 --> 00:31:32,392 Just that we were happy. 360 00:31:40,317 --> 00:31:42,361 Be a good boy. You listen to your mother. 361 00:31:42,444 --> 00:31:43,695 I don't wanna hear this… 362 00:31:51,078 --> 00:31:53,121 Thank you for using DOP Connect. 363 00:31:53,205 --> 00:31:55,624 To make a call, please enter your account number. 364 00:31:58,585 --> 00:32:00,504 That account number is not recognized. 365 00:32:00,587 --> 00:32:02,923 To make a call, please enter your account number. 366 00:32:06,093 --> 00:32:08,220 That account number is not recognized. 367 00:32:08,303 --> 00:32:10,764 To make a call, please enter your account number. 368 00:32:19,857 --> 00:32:21,316 That account number is not recog... 369 00:32:27,906 --> 00:32:29,992 That account number is not recog... 370 00:32:31,201 --> 00:32:32,536 That accoun... 371 00:32:38,542 --> 00:32:40,210 Hang up the fucking phone! 372 00:32:43,005 --> 00:32:44,173 This phone? 373 00:32:54,474 --> 00:32:55,601 Be my guest. 374 00:32:58,395 --> 00:32:59,980 …please enter your account number. 375 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:09,656 …snitch. 376 00:33:14,536 --> 00:33:15,913 Can't have that on the yard. 377 00:33:37,518 --> 00:33:38,519 …snitch. 378 00:33:54,409 --> 00:33:56,089 Yes, sir. I understand what you're saying, 379 00:33:56,119 --> 00:33:58,038 but I'm telling you there must be a mistake 380 00:33:58,121 --> 00:34:00,666 because I paid that credit card myself just last week. 381 00:34:01,875 --> 00:34:04,503 You're telling me that my son can't make or receive calls? 382 00:34:04,586 --> 00:34:06,088 Is that what you're telling me? 383 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,551 Okay, sir, please. 384 00:34:10,634 --> 00:34:15,054 How about if I give you the credit card right here, right now, over the phone. 385 00:34:15,138 --> 00:34:17,014 Would you be able to connect me then? 386 00:34:19,016 --> 00:34:21,562 Okay. All right. Thank you. 387 00:34:21,645 --> 00:34:24,063 I appreciate you trying to help. 388 00:34:29,069 --> 00:34:32,072 Bitch. Motherfucker. 389 00:34:33,866 --> 00:34:35,158 Jim, I should come with you. 390 00:34:35,242 --> 00:34:38,704 No, hon. I'll be fine. I just need to clear my head. 391 00:34:38,786 --> 00:34:41,956 Okay. Well, don't get yourself worked up. 392 00:34:42,541 --> 00:34:45,377 I'm taking a drive to relax, not to get worked up. 393 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,045 All right. 394 00:34:47,129 --> 00:34:49,339 Can you pick us up some Kahlúa on your way back? 395 00:34:49,422 --> 00:34:50,716 Yeah, imagine that. 396 00:35:05,898 --> 00:35:07,065 Woodshop. 397 00:35:07,983 --> 00:35:08,984 What's that? 398 00:35:09,484 --> 00:35:10,777 Last place I saw Larry. 399 00:35:30,422 --> 00:35:32,132 How long you been working on those? 400 00:35:34,176 --> 00:35:35,469 Couple of weeks. 401 00:35:41,308 --> 00:35:42,518 What do you do with them? 402 00:35:45,854 --> 00:35:47,356 I send them home. 403 00:35:50,025 --> 00:35:51,026 Why? 404 00:35:53,070 --> 00:35:56,740 Donny said that you almost got into a fight today. 405 00:35:56,823 --> 00:35:57,950 At the phones? 406 00:35:58,450 --> 00:36:00,285 Yeah, some con wanted the phone. 407 00:36:01,203 --> 00:36:04,206 There's some mess-up with my account. I can't make calls out. 408 00:36:04,915 --> 00:36:06,291 But you funded the account? 409 00:36:10,921 --> 00:36:12,297 Maybe you made an enemy. 410 00:36:14,591 --> 00:36:15,592 Of who? 411 00:36:16,969 --> 00:36:18,804 Someone who works here. 412 00:36:19,471 --> 00:36:22,266 Have you had any disagreements with anyone lately? 413 00:36:26,228 --> 00:36:30,649 I had some minor words with a guard yesterday. 414 00:36:30,732 --> 00:36:34,278 Can't remember the guy's name, but he was just busting my balls. 415 00:36:35,571 --> 00:36:36,572 About what? 416 00:36:37,072 --> 00:36:38,115 Nothing. 417 00:36:39,992 --> 00:36:41,201 It's not nothing. 418 00:36:42,953 --> 00:36:44,788 James, come on. It's me. 419 00:36:47,708 --> 00:36:49,209 It was about you, Larry. 420 00:36:52,629 --> 00:36:56,258 Why would some guard talk about me? 421 00:36:58,385 --> 00:36:59,386 He said… 422 00:37:05,434 --> 00:37:09,438 He said you're a kid-diddler. 423 00:37:10,439 --> 00:37:13,192 And a kid-killer. 424 00:37:17,321 --> 00:37:18,989 I don't mean to laugh, I just... 425 00:37:20,866 --> 00:37:23,327 A kid-diddler? 426 00:37:25,621 --> 00:37:28,248 I've never raped anyone in my life, James. 427 00:37:34,004 --> 00:37:36,840 So, what did you do? 428 00:37:37,883 --> 00:37:39,968 I had sex with them. 429 00:37:41,678 --> 00:37:42,679 Okay. 430 00:37:43,722 --> 00:37:45,682 And they weren't children, James. 431 00:37:45,766 --> 00:37:50,979 Not until recently. I mean, not back in the 1800s. 432 00:37:51,605 --> 00:37:52,606 Sure. 433 00:37:56,151 --> 00:37:59,655 James, how many women have you fucked? 434 00:38:01,990 --> 00:38:04,826 - Since high school? I mean… - No, not high school. 435 00:38:04,910 --> 00:38:06,328 I mean how many women have... 436 00:38:06,411 --> 00:38:11,667 You know, over the high school ages, have you fucked? 437 00:38:18,131 --> 00:38:19,508 - Eighty. - What? 438 00:38:21,301 --> 00:38:22,678 - Eighty? - I guess. 439 00:38:22,761 --> 00:38:25,681 I mean, there's probably one or two I'm forgetting about, 440 00:38:25,764 --> 00:38:29,643 but I'm not totally sure the figure. 441 00:38:29,726 --> 00:38:33,021 That's not funny, James. Is it 80? 442 00:38:33,856 --> 00:38:34,940 Yeah. 443 00:38:35,524 --> 00:38:36,608 How? 444 00:38:37,276 --> 00:38:40,195 How did you manage to... How... 445 00:38:40,988 --> 00:38:43,490 - Do you have like a line you use? - No. 446 00:38:44,825 --> 00:38:48,453 I just... I mean, I talk to 'em. 447 00:38:49,538 --> 00:38:52,666 And they talk to me, and eventually, our clothes come off. 448 00:38:52,749 --> 00:38:54,501 - But how? - I just told you. 449 00:38:54,585 --> 00:38:56,044 No you didn't. 450 00:38:59,882 --> 00:39:01,383 I don't follow, Larry. I'm sorry. 451 00:39:02,926 --> 00:39:07,389 No woman will ever just "talk to me." 452 00:39:12,186 --> 00:39:13,729 But younger girls will. 453 00:39:13,812 --> 00:39:14,897 Some. 454 00:39:15,564 --> 00:39:16,565 Yeah. 455 00:39:25,699 --> 00:39:28,118 She was nice at first. 456 00:39:30,704 --> 00:39:31,747 Who's that? 457 00:39:35,292 --> 00:39:37,336 - Who was nice, Larry? - Jessica Roach. 458 00:39:42,382 --> 00:39:45,928 Her bike had a flat, she was driving up this gravel road. 459 00:39:46,011 --> 00:39:47,447 Even though she had a mountain bike... 460 00:39:47,471 --> 00:39:49,932 You know, rocks and gravel mix in with each other 461 00:39:50,015 --> 00:39:51,725 and rocks can be sharp, so… 462 00:39:53,769 --> 00:39:57,689 Girls think they're so smart, but there she was with a flat. 463 00:40:02,986 --> 00:40:04,238 You fix it? 464 00:40:04,321 --> 00:40:07,741 - Oh, no. I just offered her a ride. - Right. 465 00:40:07,824 --> 00:40:13,247 They make it sound like I jump on these girls, James, and attack them. 466 00:40:13,330 --> 00:40:15,832 That's not reflective of the truth. 467 00:40:15,916 --> 00:40:18,752 She liked talking to me. She did. 468 00:40:19,837 --> 00:40:23,131 I had my bike that day, and I opened up the doors to the van 469 00:40:23,215 --> 00:40:24,842 and I showed her, and… 470 00:40:25,384 --> 00:40:28,887 I told her how much I like cycling, and we talked about that. 471 00:40:28,971 --> 00:40:31,598 Sounds like you had no trouble talking to her, Larry. 472 00:40:31,682 --> 00:40:32,683 None. 473 00:40:33,267 --> 00:40:35,477 Yeah, she was nice, like I said. 474 00:40:36,770 --> 00:40:38,230 Until she wasn't. 475 00:40:41,024 --> 00:40:42,317 She turned on you, huh? 476 00:40:44,361 --> 00:40:46,697 Like a rabid squirrel, just 477 00:40:50,284 --> 00:40:51,285 You remember why? 478 00:40:56,832 --> 00:40:58,500 Why are you asking? 479 00:41:03,881 --> 00:41:06,049 Shit, Larry, I thought we were just talking. 480 00:41:07,634 --> 00:41:08,927 Is that what we're doing? 481 00:41:13,891 --> 00:41:15,017 That's what I'm doing. 482 00:41:22,858 --> 00:41:25,360 She got into my van just fine. 483 00:41:26,236 --> 00:41:29,615 She looked at my bike and my cleaning supplies. 484 00:41:31,575 --> 00:41:37,289 She asked if I live locally, and why I had such big burnsides. 485 00:41:37,372 --> 00:41:38,999 She called them sideburns. 486 00:41:42,044 --> 00:41:44,463 I told her about reenactments, 487 00:41:45,255 --> 00:41:47,549 and she asked really good questions, you know? 488 00:41:47,633 --> 00:41:52,095 She was so curious and so smart. 489 00:41:55,098 --> 00:41:58,018 And so I kissed her. 490 00:42:01,772 --> 00:42:07,236 And that's when she turned mean. Just awful, slapping me and hitting me. 491 00:42:08,153 --> 00:42:10,697 And I just had to rag her with the starter fluid. 492 00:42:11,657 --> 00:42:12,824 I had to. 493 00:42:17,287 --> 00:42:19,289 So we drove for a little while. 494 00:42:19,373 --> 00:42:23,043 I was trying to find, like, a nice, quiet, little place. 495 00:42:23,585 --> 00:42:26,129 And I did, even though I didn't know where I was 496 00:42:26,213 --> 00:42:29,800 or where we were going, but I found one. 497 00:42:33,387 --> 00:42:34,513 Then what happened? 498 00:42:35,973 --> 00:42:37,891 I... Well, I, you know. 499 00:42:39,768 --> 00:42:42,023 I went into the back of the van with her, 500 00:42:42,047 --> 00:42:44,047 and I ragged her a few more times. 501 00:42:44,523 --> 00:42:45,774 She kept waking up? 502 00:42:48,777 --> 00:42:50,404 She scratched me. 503 00:42:51,488 --> 00:42:53,490 So hard. It was deep. 504 00:42:54,283 --> 00:42:58,245 And when I cleaned out the flesh from under her nails later on, 505 00:42:58,328 --> 00:43:00,038 there was a lot of me under there. 506 00:43:00,789 --> 00:43:01,874 A lot of me. 507 00:43:01,957 --> 00:43:03,166 You have sex with her? 508 00:43:03,250 --> 00:43:05,627 I knew you were gonna ask that. No... It's weird. 509 00:43:05,711 --> 00:43:08,672 I don't totally remember. 510 00:43:09,506 --> 00:43:13,635 It was like I blacked out, but then it was like I was in a dream 511 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,139 where I see myself beating on her and ragging her, 512 00:43:17,222 --> 00:43:18,807 beating on her and ragging her. 513 00:43:20,434 --> 00:43:24,396 And then I woke up, and her clothes were off, 514 00:43:24,479 --> 00:43:25,898 and my clothes were off. 515 00:43:28,108 --> 00:43:29,401 So, I… 516 00:43:30,527 --> 00:43:34,323 I think we had sex together. 517 00:43:41,580 --> 00:43:42,956 Sure sounds like it, buddy. 518 00:43:57,971 --> 00:44:00,182 Well, then she started to cry. 519 00:44:06,772 --> 00:44:08,732 Sometimes they do that. 520 00:44:08,815 --> 00:44:10,275 They thought they wanted it, 521 00:44:11,193 --> 00:44:12,945 but they changed their mind after the fact. 522 00:44:13,028 --> 00:44:15,155 Well, no, she was crying for her mother. 523 00:44:19,284 --> 00:44:20,410 She was, huh? 524 00:44:21,286 --> 00:44:23,288 "I want my mommy. 525 00:44:23,872 --> 00:44:28,001 Just take me to my mommy." 526 00:44:29,044 --> 00:44:30,921 I did not like that. 527 00:44:31,004 --> 00:44:33,340 It made me mad. It ruined everything. 528 00:44:34,007 --> 00:44:35,425 So, I took her out of the van, 529 00:44:35,509 --> 00:44:38,345 and I walked her pretty far back into the field. 530 00:44:40,305 --> 00:44:43,267 And I found this tree, and I had made this… 531 00:44:45,644 --> 00:44:49,606 Tool, I guess, that I had made by putting two leather belts together. 532 00:44:50,107 --> 00:44:51,859 And I had this stick... 533 00:44:52,901 --> 00:44:56,280 Well, I told her to sit down with her back against the tree. 534 00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:00,242 I didn't want to see her face, you know? 535 00:45:01,743 --> 00:45:02,744 And, 536 00:45:03,412 --> 00:45:07,499 So yeah, so then I quickly whipped the two belts around her neck, 537 00:45:07,583 --> 00:45:10,961 and I squeezed and put the stick in. 538 00:45:11,044 --> 00:45:13,630 I just started twisting it, like one of those… 539 00:45:16,008 --> 00:45:17,384 What do you call it… 540 00:45:18,385 --> 00:45:20,554 - Tourniquet? - Tourniquet, exactly. 541 00:45:22,264 --> 00:45:23,265 Yeah. 542 00:45:24,224 --> 00:45:27,978 I just kept twisting until she stopped making… 543 00:45:31,023 --> 00:45:32,107 You know. 544 00:45:34,484 --> 00:45:35,652 Sounds. 545 00:45:47,497 --> 00:45:49,750 Well, it sounds like you did what you had to do. 546 00:46:03,639 --> 00:46:06,975 Never said anything totally gross, just off. 547 00:46:07,476 --> 00:46:09,061 Always off. 548 00:46:09,978 --> 00:46:10,979 How? 549 00:46:12,022 --> 00:46:15,442 He'd be like, "You have really pretty ankles." 550 00:46:15,526 --> 00:46:18,654 Or, said to me once, "Your earlobes are very ripe." 551 00:46:18,737 --> 00:46:20,364 That was Larry making small talk. 552 00:46:20,447 --> 00:46:24,159 Other times, he'd just sit at one of the picnic benches and just stare. 553 00:46:24,660 --> 00:46:27,538 And, if it got to you like sometimes it did, 554 00:46:27,621 --> 00:46:30,624 you'd be like, "Larry, what's up?" 555 00:46:30,707 --> 00:46:33,627 And he'd be all, "Did you know that most cleaners contain lye?" 556 00:46:34,211 --> 00:46:37,673 And then he'd want you to go to his van and look at the list of ingredients. 557 00:46:37,756 --> 00:46:40,175 - Did you ever go? - Fuck no. 558 00:46:40,801 --> 00:46:42,219 You know anyone who did? 559 00:46:43,011 --> 00:46:46,348 Not around here, no. We were all creeped out by him. 560 00:46:47,099 --> 00:46:49,518 Then, when he started to give me stuff… 561 00:46:49,601 --> 00:46:50,811 He gave you stuff? 562 00:46:52,855 --> 00:46:54,273 A pair of earrings once. 563 00:46:55,274 --> 00:46:56,275 A locket. 564 00:46:56,817 --> 00:46:58,819 Pair of used ballet flats. 565 00:46:59,820 --> 00:47:00,988 Were they your size? 566 00:47:04,408 --> 00:47:06,785 Yep. Made it worse. 567 00:47:07,828 --> 00:47:09,788 No chance you kept any of this stuff? 568 00:47:10,330 --> 00:47:13,417 We have a lost and found sale at the end of every season. 569 00:47:15,669 --> 00:47:18,213 There is one thing that I didn't throw away. 570 00:47:50,454 --> 00:47:52,539 Last time we ever saw him, he gave me that. 571 00:47:54,666 --> 00:47:56,877 I never rode it, not once. 572 00:47:58,003 --> 00:48:00,672 Every time I look at it, it makes me wanna take a shower. 573 00:48:24,655 --> 00:48:26,698 My mother said I was never any trouble 574 00:48:26,782 --> 00:48:28,867 except when I fixated on something I wanted, 575 00:48:28,951 --> 00:48:30,661 like a dog on a pork chop. 576 00:48:31,411 --> 00:48:34,122 So that's what she'd call it. My pork chop. 577 00:48:35,415 --> 00:48:38,001 When I was six, my pork chop was a goldfish. 578 00:48:38,794 --> 00:48:42,047 When I was nine, it was a pack of butterfly hair clips. 579 00:48:42,130 --> 00:48:43,131 Multicolored. 580 00:48:43,841 --> 00:48:47,219 But my biggest pork chop, the one I obsessed over 581 00:48:47,302 --> 00:48:50,180 and had to wait until my 13th birthday for, 582 00:48:50,264 --> 00:48:52,558 and still work off five months' allowance to get, 583 00:48:52,641 --> 00:48:56,562 was a mountain bike. 584 00:49:25,257 --> 00:49:28,802 I did the math. I lived over 5,000 days. 585 00:49:29,344 --> 00:49:32,472 Over 135,000 hours. 586 00:49:32,973 --> 00:49:34,391 All that time was mine. 587 00:49:36,059 --> 00:49:40,189 You can die, but you can't un-live. 588 00:49:40,772 --> 00:49:41,899 I lived. 589 00:49:42,816 --> 00:49:43,817 Here. 590 00:49:47,529 --> 00:49:48,530 Here. 591 00:49:53,493 --> 00:49:54,578 Here. 592 00:49:58,373 --> 00:49:59,374 And here. 593 00:50:01,502 --> 00:50:02,628 It was great. 594 00:50:21,688 --> 00:50:22,731 It's not enough. 595 00:50:23,232 --> 00:50:24,441 That's bullshit. 596 00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,069 Heard of chain of evidence? 597 00:50:27,152 --> 00:50:29,947 We have a witness who swears Hall gave it to her. 598 00:50:30,906 --> 00:50:32,824 Where's the serial number of the bike? 599 00:50:33,325 --> 00:50:35,369 Someone burned it off with acid. 600 00:50:35,452 --> 00:50:39,164 There's no way to conclusively prove that this is Jessica Roach's, 601 00:50:39,248 --> 00:50:42,793 unless matching fingerprints of both Hall and Roach are found on it. 602 00:50:42,876 --> 00:50:46,338 And after four years, I'm fairly confident it won't be. 603 00:50:46,421 --> 00:50:49,508 We have witnesses who place Larry Hall in the area… 604 00:50:49,591 --> 00:50:51,218 I'm not trying a new case here. 605 00:50:51,301 --> 00:50:53,011 Where he claimed to have buried Reitler… 606 00:50:53,095 --> 00:50:55,097 I'm defending against a second appeal. 607 00:50:55,180 --> 00:50:58,016 And where he gave someone Jessica Roach's bike. 608 00:50:58,600 --> 00:50:59,810 It's not enough. 609 00:51:02,521 --> 00:51:04,189 Not even close. 610 00:51:05,274 --> 00:51:06,650 But you did great work here. 611 00:51:07,526 --> 00:51:10,988 You did. This is top-fucking-notch. 612 00:51:12,281 --> 00:51:13,407 Hey, look at me. 613 00:51:18,662 --> 00:51:21,582 You did. But it's not enough. 614 00:51:22,833 --> 00:51:24,168 What would be enough? 615 00:51:29,381 --> 00:51:30,507 I don't know. 616 00:51:32,885 --> 00:51:33,886 But this ain't it. 617 00:52:29,274 --> 00:52:30,275 James? 618 00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:34,404 James. 619 00:52:37,533 --> 00:52:38,659 James, you up? 620 00:52:42,287 --> 00:52:43,455 Well, good night. 621 00:52:49,169 --> 00:52:51,046 Sleep well.