1 00:00:03,204 --> 00:00:06,140 (upbeat hip-hop instrumental music) 2 00:00:06,174 --> 00:00:13,047 * 3 00:00:18,952 --> 00:00:20,821 MAN: The Dodge Charger... 4 00:00:20,854 --> 00:00:22,690 the official car of making a statement 5 00:00:22,723 --> 00:00:24,925 without saying anything at all. 6 00:00:24,958 --> 00:00:27,928 (mellow jazz) 7 00:00:27,961 --> 00:00:31,399 * 8 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,503 (upbeat theme music playing) 9 00:00:35,536 --> 00:00:42,410 * 10 00:00:46,647 --> 00:00:49,617 Good evening, and welcome to "Montague." 11 00:00:49,650 --> 00:00:51,885 I'm your host, Franklin Montague. 12 00:00:51,919 --> 00:00:53,387 And today we're gonna take a look 13 00:00:53,421 --> 00:00:55,889 at the growing outlook of accepted sexuality 14 00:00:55,923 --> 00:00:58,292 and its effects on black youth and culture. 15 00:00:58,326 --> 00:00:59,927 With us today, we have 16 00:00:59,960 --> 00:01:02,696 the Head of the Center of Trans-American Issues, 17 00:01:02,730 --> 00:01:04,198 Dr. Debra Holt, 18 00:01:04,232 --> 00:01:06,734 and recording artist Paper Boi. 19 00:01:06,767 --> 00:01:08,369 Good evening to you both. 20 00:01:08,402 --> 00:01:09,770 -Good evening, Montague. -'Sup? 21 00:01:09,803 --> 00:01:11,372 Uh, let's start at the beginning. 22 00:01:11,405 --> 00:01:14,442 Paper Boi, last Tuesday you engaged in a Twitter rant 23 00:01:14,475 --> 00:01:17,278 that had some pretty inflammatory statements. 24 00:01:17,311 --> 00:01:19,079 But the one statement that seems to have made 25 00:01:19,113 --> 00:01:20,714 -the biggest impact... -(sighs) 26 00:01:20,748 --> 00:01:22,750 Was this one and I quote, "Y'all the..." 27 00:01:22,783 --> 00:01:26,654 N-words "who said I was weird for not wanting to" 28 00:01:26,687 --> 00:01:29,056 F-word "Caitlyn Jenner." 29 00:01:29,089 --> 00:01:31,892 Would you want to, uh, explain that statement? 30 00:01:31,925 --> 00:01:33,961 No. 31 00:01:35,796 --> 00:01:39,900 Well, could you explain that statement? 32 00:01:39,933 --> 00:01:42,236 (blows) I... 33 00:01:42,270 --> 00:01:43,904 meant what I said. 34 00:01:43,937 --> 00:01:47,275 You don't think your tweets are transphobic? 35 00:01:47,308 --> 00:01:48,809 I just don't have to have sex 36 00:01:48,842 --> 00:01:50,311 with Caitlyn Jenner 'cause y'all say so. 37 00:01:50,344 --> 00:01:52,112 Mm. So you don't think 38 00:01:52,146 --> 00:01:53,847 -Caitlyn Jenner's important? -(tsks) 39 00:01:53,881 --> 00:01:55,349 Look, I get what y'all saying, right? 40 00:01:55,383 --> 00:01:58,085 But she's not super important to me, 41 00:01:58,118 --> 00:01:59,653 like, not my life. 42 00:01:59,687 --> 00:02:03,090 So how long have you disliked transpeople? 43 00:02:03,123 --> 00:02:05,326 Man, look, I just found out they exist, 44 00:02:05,359 --> 00:02:06,927 -to be honest. -I--No, no-- 45 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,029 "I make her switch sides, Caitlyn Jenner in reverse"? 46 00:02:09,062 --> 00:02:10,964 Is that not a-- a lyric of yours? 47 00:02:10,998 --> 00:02:12,500 Man, I was just rapping, man. 48 00:02:12,533 --> 00:02:14,435 Look, I've said worse things. 49 00:02:14,468 --> 00:02:16,770 You ever heard my song, "Illuminati Sex"? 50 00:02:16,804 --> 00:02:18,372 -Haven't heard it yet. -Well, there we go then. 51 00:02:18,406 --> 00:02:20,174 Debra, you've written 52 00:02:20,208 --> 00:02:22,376 about this current phenomenon in your book, 53 00:02:22,410 --> 00:02:25,179 Transition: Gender in a New Generation. 54 00:02:25,213 --> 00:02:27,448 What do you think about all this? 55 00:02:27,481 --> 00:02:29,350 I look at these statements as 56 00:02:29,383 --> 00:02:31,319 natural consequences of a culture 57 00:02:31,352 --> 00:02:33,120 -of exclusion and power. -Mm. 58 00:02:33,153 --> 00:02:34,622 You know, there's-- there's a large swath of... 59 00:02:34,655 --> 00:02:36,824 -(scoffs) -Gender and sexuality roles 60 00:02:36,857 --> 00:02:39,793 that are just being exposed to a large portion of the public. 61 00:02:39,827 --> 00:02:41,362 (chuckling) 62 00:02:41,395 --> 00:02:43,464 DEBRA: Uh, it's harder for certain sections 63 00:02:43,497 --> 00:02:44,998 to deal with this transition 64 00:02:45,032 --> 00:02:47,235 uh, because of conflict of interest, 65 00:02:47,268 --> 00:02:49,837 and, frankly, identity issues. 66 00:02:49,870 --> 00:02:51,539 In this case, the rap community. 67 00:02:51,572 --> 00:02:53,541 Now, I truly believe it's, uh, 68 00:02:53,574 --> 00:02:55,909 has more to do with issues of masculinity 69 00:02:55,943 --> 00:02:58,312 in the black community than actual 70 00:02:58,346 --> 00:03:00,414 homophobia or--or transphobia. 71 00:03:00,448 --> 00:03:02,350 -Please explain. -Yes, please, please. 72 00:03:02,383 --> 00:03:04,051 Tell me-- tell me about myself. 73 00:03:04,084 --> 00:03:05,653 Go on. 74 00:03:05,686 --> 00:03:08,256 Well, Mis--Mister, uh, Pa-- Mr. Paper Boi-- 75 00:03:08,289 --> 00:03:09,557 Mister, yeah. 76 00:03:09,590 --> 00:03:12,159 What would you consider yourself? 77 00:03:12,192 --> 00:03:13,327 A rapper? 78 00:03:13,361 --> 00:03:14,395 A straight rapper? 79 00:03:14,428 --> 00:03:15,863 Hell yeah. 80 00:03:15,896 --> 00:03:17,531 Well, I did some research on your lyrics, 81 00:03:17,565 --> 00:03:20,100 and they're actually very pro sexual-spectrum. 82 00:03:20,133 --> 00:03:21,435 -Oh? -Pro-what? 83 00:03:21,469 --> 00:03:23,737 "If I eff with you, you my N-word, 84 00:03:23,771 --> 00:03:25,205 you my N-word for life." 85 00:03:25,239 --> 00:03:26,607 Yo, you know that ain't what I meant. 86 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:27,875 Yeah, oh, I understand, but, you know, 87 00:03:27,908 --> 00:03:29,343 there's a layer of fluidity... 88 00:03:29,377 --> 00:03:30,878 No, no, no. There's no extra layer. 89 00:03:30,911 --> 00:03:32,746 DEBRA: That you yourself don't even realize. 90 00:03:32,780 --> 00:03:34,348 I don't think about what I'm rapping half the time. 91 00:03:34,382 --> 00:03:35,416 Look, I'm just trying to get paid, 92 00:03:35,449 --> 00:03:36,750 you feel me? Look, (bleep), 93 00:03:36,784 --> 00:03:38,519 why you think I'm on this show? 94 00:03:38,552 --> 00:03:41,589 You're not getting paid for this. 95 00:03:41,622 --> 00:03:43,924 Hey-- Hey, Earn--man? 96 00:03:43,957 --> 00:03:46,560 Black men aren't ready to accept the implications 97 00:03:46,594 --> 00:03:48,296 of a trans-accepting culture. 98 00:03:48,329 --> 00:03:50,097 No--look, I'm allowed to say that it's weird. 99 00:03:50,130 --> 00:03:51,599 "It"? 100 00:03:51,632 --> 00:03:52,966 No, look, I'm not calling him a "it." 101 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,368 -Naw, I'm just saying that-- -"Him"? 102 00:03:54,402 --> 00:03:55,903 Look--look, can I say something? Damn! 103 00:03:55,936 --> 00:03:57,438 FRANKLIN: All right. -Well, it depends. 104 00:03:57,471 --> 00:03:59,139 -I was trying to say-- -We got to take a break. 105 00:03:59,172 --> 00:04:00,774 When we're back, we're gonna take a look 106 00:04:00,808 --> 00:04:03,644 into a young boy's struggle for equality. 107 00:04:03,677 --> 00:04:04,645 (theme music playing) 108 00:04:04,678 --> 00:04:05,913 (sighs) 109 00:04:05,946 --> 00:04:07,781 (theme music) 110 00:04:08,982 --> 00:04:10,250 (sportscaster on phone) 111 00:04:10,284 --> 00:04:11,452 (front entrance dings) 112 00:04:11,485 --> 00:04:14,322 (Muzak plays in background) 113 00:04:14,355 --> 00:04:18,659 * 114 00:04:18,692 --> 00:04:21,462 (sportscasters continue) 115 00:04:21,495 --> 00:04:22,363 (beep) 116 00:04:26,199 --> 00:04:27,501 $1.49? 117 00:04:27,535 --> 00:04:29,570 But the price on the can, though. 118 00:04:29,603 --> 00:04:31,104 The price is on the can, though. 119 00:04:31,138 --> 00:04:33,841 (crowd cheers on phone) 120 00:04:33,874 --> 00:04:36,977 (sportscasters continue) 121 00:04:39,947 --> 00:04:42,916 (jazzy lounge music) 122 00:04:42,950 --> 00:04:49,823 * 123 00:05:08,809 --> 00:05:11,679 (music continues) 124 00:05:11,712 --> 00:05:17,551 * 125 00:05:21,355 --> 00:05:24,392 (upbeat hip-hop instrumental music) 126 00:05:24,425 --> 00:05:31,331 * 127 00:05:43,343 --> 00:05:44,978 MAN: The Dodge Charger. 128 00:05:45,012 --> 00:05:47,881 Make a statement without saying anything at all. 129 00:05:49,016 --> 00:05:52,486 (theme music playing) 130 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:54,187 Earlier in our show, we talked about 131 00:05:54,221 --> 00:05:55,923 transitions in sexuality. 132 00:05:55,956 --> 00:05:57,725 Uh, but what about race? 133 00:05:57,758 --> 00:06:00,193 Our correspondent, Nathan Wielder, 134 00:06:00,227 --> 00:06:01,395 has the story. 135 00:06:10,370 --> 00:06:11,939 Harrison looks from the outside 136 00:06:11,972 --> 00:06:13,707 to be your average teenager. 137 00:06:13,741 --> 00:06:16,410 He goes to school, plays video games, 138 00:06:16,444 --> 00:06:19,112 even listens to music in his room. 139 00:06:19,146 --> 00:06:20,848 But there's one difference. 140 00:06:20,881 --> 00:06:23,451 I'm a 35-year-old white man. 141 00:06:23,484 --> 00:06:25,886 NATHAN: Harrison, born Antwoine Smalls, 142 00:06:25,919 --> 00:06:27,855 has trans-racial identity, 143 00:06:27,888 --> 00:06:29,590 identifying as Harrison Booth, 144 00:06:29,623 --> 00:06:32,893 a 35-year-old white man from Colorado. 145 00:06:32,926 --> 00:06:34,394 And when did you know that you were a 146 00:06:34,428 --> 00:06:36,029 35-year-old white man? 147 00:06:36,063 --> 00:06:37,565 Well, I've always felt different. 148 00:06:37,598 --> 00:06:39,967 I go to the store, the movies, 149 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,535 and just be thinking to myself, like, 150 00:06:41,569 --> 00:06:44,738 "Why am I not getting the respect I deserve?" 151 00:06:44,772 --> 00:06:47,908 And then, it just hit me. 152 00:06:47,941 --> 00:06:50,043 I'm white... 153 00:06:50,077 --> 00:06:51,779 and 35. 154 00:06:51,812 --> 00:06:53,881 I just miss Colorado sometimes, you know. 155 00:06:53,914 --> 00:06:55,749 Here, I pretend the buildings are the old 156 00:06:55,783 --> 00:06:58,385 San Juan Mountain ranges but, you know, the jobs is here. 157 00:06:58,418 --> 00:06:59,820 And where do you work? 158 00:06:59,853 --> 00:07:01,589 I'm a Systems Engineer for Coca-Cola. 159 00:07:01,622 --> 00:07:02,556 Oh. Okay. 160 00:07:02,590 --> 00:07:03,791 That boy don't work. 161 00:07:03,824 --> 00:07:05,392 He go to school, and that's it. 162 00:07:05,425 --> 00:07:06,594 -Mm-hmm. -One day, he said, 163 00:07:06,627 --> 00:07:08,261 "Call me Harrison." 164 00:07:08,295 --> 00:07:10,230 I said, "Who's that?" 165 00:07:10,263 --> 00:07:11,632 He said, "Me." 166 00:07:11,665 --> 00:07:14,134 Do you believe that he is a white man? 167 00:07:14,167 --> 00:07:15,769 I mean, he isn't. 168 00:07:15,803 --> 00:07:17,638 (bleep), I'd love to wake up one day and say, 169 00:07:17,671 --> 00:07:19,840 "Hey, everybody, I'm Rihanna." 170 00:07:19,873 --> 00:07:20,841 But I ain't. 171 00:07:20,874 --> 00:07:21,842 It's been pretty hard. 172 00:07:21,875 --> 00:07:23,677 My family just doesn't get it. 173 00:07:23,711 --> 00:07:25,913 You know, I try to get them to go out with me, 174 00:07:25,946 --> 00:07:28,081 go on walks, go to the farmers market, 175 00:07:28,115 --> 00:07:30,951 chat with people, but...yeah. 176 00:07:30,984 --> 00:07:33,787 So why don't you think that they get it? 177 00:07:33,821 --> 00:07:35,523 I don't think they get it because 178 00:07:35,556 --> 00:07:37,858 they don't realize that race is just a made-up thing. 179 00:07:37,891 --> 00:07:39,092 Mm-hmm. 180 00:07:39,126 --> 00:07:40,427 They grew up having labels, and me, 181 00:07:40,460 --> 00:07:41,829 I'm just--I'm just not like that. 182 00:07:41,862 --> 00:07:43,163 I see. 183 00:07:43,196 --> 00:07:45,499 So how do you embrace your identity? 184 00:07:45,533 --> 00:07:47,000 -I dress a certain way. -Ah. 185 00:07:47,034 --> 00:07:48,201 Patagonia. 186 00:07:48,235 --> 00:07:50,137 I wear a thick, brown leather belt. 187 00:07:50,170 --> 00:07:52,439 I like to envision myself after the surgery. 188 00:07:52,472 --> 00:07:53,941 (clears throat) 189 00:07:53,974 --> 00:07:57,344 "Hey, excuse me, what IPA do you have on tap?" 190 00:07:57,377 --> 00:08:01,615 "Hey, did you see Game of Thrones last night?" 191 00:08:01,649 --> 00:08:03,116 Yeah. 192 00:08:03,150 --> 00:08:04,818 So your-- your surgery, 193 00:08:04,852 --> 00:08:05,986 that's later this year? 194 00:08:06,019 --> 00:08:07,320 Right. I started working 195 00:08:07,354 --> 00:08:09,056 at Stonecrest Mall, so hopefully 196 00:08:09,089 --> 00:08:11,158 by then I have enough money to take the next step. 197 00:08:11,191 --> 00:08:12,526 Mm-hmm. 198 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,896 So you work at Coca-Cola and the mall? 199 00:08:15,929 --> 00:08:19,199 Right. Correct, I work at both. 200 00:08:19,232 --> 00:08:21,001 NATHAN: Harrison has been planning 201 00:08:21,034 --> 00:08:23,804 a full racial transition with a Dr. Samuel Vergara 202 00:08:23,837 --> 00:08:25,639 who guarantees Harrison can visually transition 203 00:08:25,673 --> 00:08:27,474 through an experimental procedure 204 00:08:27,507 --> 00:08:29,810 that will allow Harrison not only to be a white man 205 00:08:29,843 --> 00:08:31,378 but whatever race he chooses. 206 00:08:31,411 --> 00:08:35,382 The procedure's absolutely 100% possible. 207 00:08:35,415 --> 00:08:37,685 He's gonna look weird though. 208 00:08:37,718 --> 00:08:39,486 NATHAN: But before Harrison can fully realize 209 00:08:39,519 --> 00:08:42,189 his physical identity, he still has the day-to-day 210 00:08:42,222 --> 00:08:44,892 that's filled with discrimination and ridicule. 211 00:08:44,925 --> 00:08:46,359 It--it's pretty awful, you know. 212 00:08:46,393 --> 00:08:48,061 You--you walk in the streets, 213 00:08:48,095 --> 00:08:50,263 and black people, they see you, they nod to you like, 214 00:08:50,297 --> 00:08:52,032 "Hey, good to see us." 215 00:08:52,065 --> 00:08:54,267 And it's to the point where I've just given up. 216 00:08:54,301 --> 00:08:56,003 I've stopped trying to convince them 217 00:08:56,036 --> 00:08:58,739 -that I'm not "us." -Gotcha. 218 00:08:58,772 --> 00:09:01,074 Hey, excuse me, this is definitely the guy. 219 00:09:01,108 --> 00:09:03,110 He doesn't even live in the area. 220 00:09:03,143 --> 00:09:04,745 I've never seen him before. 221 00:09:09,149 --> 00:09:12,119 (police radio chatter) 222 00:09:12,152 --> 00:09:14,054 * 223 00:09:14,087 --> 00:09:16,189 HARRISON: I think we're taking slow strides, 224 00:09:16,223 --> 00:09:18,291 but you have to believe things are getting better, 225 00:09:18,325 --> 00:09:20,427 otherwise, you'll just die inside. 226 00:09:20,460 --> 00:09:22,129 Is there anything you'd like to say to 227 00:09:22,162 --> 00:09:24,231 other black kids out there who may be going through 228 00:09:24,264 --> 00:09:25,933 the same thing? 229 00:09:25,966 --> 00:09:27,234 Just be you. 230 00:09:27,267 --> 00:09:29,069 At all costs. 231 00:09:29,102 --> 00:09:30,738 But also, 232 00:09:30,771 --> 00:09:33,306 stop dressing so crazy. 233 00:09:33,340 --> 00:09:34,775 Hmm. 234 00:09:34,808 --> 00:09:37,778 (gentle instrumental music) 235 00:09:37,811 --> 00:09:44,685 * 236 00:09:48,789 --> 00:09:51,725 (guitar music flourishes) 237 00:09:51,759 --> 00:09:53,326 Absolutely. 238 00:09:54,494 --> 00:09:56,096 Hi. 239 00:09:56,129 --> 00:09:58,431 I'm Devyonne Johnson, famous movie star. 240 00:09:58,465 --> 00:10:01,101 When the director calls cut and I get a quick five, 241 00:10:01,134 --> 00:10:03,570 you know I'm reaching for the smooth taste 242 00:10:03,603 --> 00:10:05,505 of Swisher Sweets. 243 00:10:05,538 --> 00:10:08,275 Swisher Sweets are the only cigarillos made with 244 00:10:08,308 --> 00:10:11,812 the highest quality tobacco from family-owned farms. 245 00:10:11,845 --> 00:10:13,814 It's their high standards and experience 246 00:10:13,847 --> 00:10:17,317 that make for a quality smoke you can enjoy every time. 247 00:10:18,618 --> 00:10:19,953 (sniffs) 248 00:10:22,289 --> 00:10:23,256 (click) 249 00:10:23,290 --> 00:10:29,997 * 250 00:10:31,498 --> 00:10:34,702 (blows) 251 00:10:34,735 --> 00:10:36,369 Yeah... 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And today we're talking about 263 00:11:18,245 --> 00:11:20,080 transitions with my guests, 264 00:11:20,113 --> 00:11:23,550 Atlanta rapper Paper Boi and Dr. Debra Holt. 265 00:11:23,583 --> 00:11:26,653 Ah, Paper Boi, are you afraid to speak your mind 266 00:11:26,686 --> 00:11:28,255 on this subject? 267 00:11:28,288 --> 00:11:30,724 Actually, yup, I am. 268 00:11:30,758 --> 00:11:32,760 You can't say real (bleep) anymore without somebody 269 00:11:32,793 --> 00:11:34,995 trying to make sure you never make money forever. 270 00:11:35,028 --> 00:11:36,396 FRANKLIN: So you think you're being persecuted? 271 00:11:36,429 --> 00:11:38,065 Yes, I am. 272 00:11:38,098 --> 00:11:39,767 Man, you can't even say "ho" in a song no more. 273 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:41,434 (scoffs) A travesty, I'm sure. 274 00:11:41,468 --> 00:11:42,702 -(chuckles) ALFRED: Yo, why you-- 275 00:11:42,736 --> 00:11:44,237 Yo, why you talk like that? 276 00:11:44,271 --> 00:11:45,739 Like, "a travesty, I'm sur--" like, what? 277 00:11:45,773 --> 00:11:47,707 You're--you're whining about chickens 278 00:11:47,741 --> 00:11:49,109 -coming home to roost. -No-no-no-no-no. 279 00:11:49,142 --> 00:11:51,011 Rap is chickens coming home to roost. 280 00:11:51,044 --> 00:11:53,713 Look, my life is messed up from (bleep) y'all did, okay? 281 00:11:53,747 --> 00:11:55,282 That's black news. You can look that up. 282 00:11:55,315 --> 00:11:57,017 Well, your news is problematic. 283 00:11:57,050 --> 00:11:58,852 -Bitch, that ain't my fault! -Whoa, whoa, whoa! 284 00:11:58,886 --> 00:12:00,453 I won't have you on my show calling anyone "bitches." 285 00:12:00,487 --> 00:12:01,855 How you gonna blame me for news being bad, huh? 286 00:12:01,889 --> 00:12:03,356 FRANKLIN: All right, simmer down, simmer down. 287 00:12:03,390 --> 00:12:04,758 You can't even have an intelligent dialogue 288 00:12:04,792 --> 00:12:06,559 -without spewing profanities. -(groans) 289 00:12:06,593 --> 00:12:07,961 -It's--it's ludicrous. FRANKLIN: Okay, okay, okay. 290 00:12:07,995 --> 00:12:11,064 Paper Boi, isn't a lack of a father 291 00:12:11,098 --> 00:12:13,233 the reason you hate transpeople? 292 00:12:13,266 --> 00:12:14,634 What? Lack of a father? 293 00:12:14,667 --> 00:12:16,436 Man, you hear yourself? (bleep), shut up. 294 00:12:16,469 --> 00:12:17,737 Man, here's the thing. 295 00:12:17,771 --> 00:12:19,472 Man, I-- it's hard for me to care 296 00:12:19,506 --> 00:12:21,241 about this when nobody cares about me 297 00:12:21,274 --> 00:12:23,043 as a black human man, you feel me? 298 00:12:23,076 --> 00:12:24,812 Like, Caitlyn Jenner is just doing 299 00:12:24,845 --> 00:12:26,446 what rich white men been doing since the dawn of time, 300 00:12:26,479 --> 00:12:28,081 which is whatever the hell he want. 301 00:12:28,115 --> 00:12:30,750 So why should I care? What make him so special? 302 00:12:30,784 --> 00:12:32,452 But--but as a black man in this country, 303 00:12:32,485 --> 00:12:34,621 shouldn't you care about the civil liberties of others, 304 00:12:34,654 --> 00:12:36,089 since they're so closely related to--to 305 00:12:36,123 --> 00:12:37,490 your struggle for equality? 306 00:12:37,524 --> 00:12:39,292 What you talking 'bout? I do care. 307 00:12:39,326 --> 00:12:41,228 Look, I don't have a problem with gay people, transpeople, 308 00:12:41,261 --> 00:12:42,896 because that's tolerance, but where's tolerance 309 00:12:42,930 --> 00:12:45,298 for people like me? You know what I'm saying? 310 00:12:45,332 --> 00:12:48,735 Like... (sighs) Look. 311 00:12:48,768 --> 00:12:50,637 I should be able to say something is weird 312 00:12:50,670 --> 00:12:52,505 without people hating on me. All right? 313 00:12:52,539 --> 00:12:55,308 Look, I never-- I never said anything 314 00:12:55,342 --> 00:12:56,743 about taking away nobody's rights. 315 00:12:56,776 --> 00:12:58,011 A'ight? Never. 316 00:12:58,045 --> 00:12:59,479 I--I understand what you're saying, 317 00:12:59,512 --> 00:13:01,849 but--but some people found your remarks offensive. 318 00:13:01,882 --> 00:13:04,818 Yeah, well, freedom of speech, (bleep). 319 00:13:06,053 --> 00:13:08,455 No, you're right. 320 00:13:08,488 --> 00:13:09,990 I agree. 321 00:13:15,028 --> 00:13:19,132 But your music is detrimental to black teens. 322 00:13:19,166 --> 00:13:22,335 (scoffs) Yeah, but so is all rap music, right? 323 00:13:22,369 --> 00:13:23,636 -I mean, and rock music... -Rock. 324 00:13:23,670 --> 00:13:24,972 Before it was taken over by rap. 325 00:13:25,005 --> 00:13:27,007 Yeah, I agree. 326 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,809 You hate... women! 327 00:13:29,843 --> 00:13:30,978 (bleep), what? 328 00:13:31,011 --> 00:13:35,182 (theme music playing) 329 00:13:35,215 --> 00:13:37,217 Questions. 330 00:13:37,250 --> 00:13:39,186 The universe. 331 00:13:39,219 --> 00:13:41,488 Paternity tests? 332 00:13:41,521 --> 00:13:42,990 Salutations. 333 00:13:43,023 --> 00:13:44,624 (gentle music) 334 00:13:44,657 --> 00:13:47,027 Hi. My name is Ahmad White. 335 00:13:47,060 --> 00:13:49,162 You may know me from your dreams. 336 00:13:49,196 --> 00:13:50,530 Call this number below 337 00:13:50,563 --> 00:13:52,866 and get the answers you deserve. 338 00:13:52,900 --> 00:13:54,001 (upbeat music) 339 00:13:54,034 --> 00:13:55,502 When I called Ahmad White, 340 00:13:55,535 --> 00:13:57,637 I was three months behind on my car note. 341 00:13:57,670 --> 00:13:59,873 (scoffs) My stepson, he was in jail. 342 00:13:59,907 --> 00:14:02,910 My life was in shambles! 343 00:14:02,943 --> 00:14:04,544 But now, I got a truck, 344 00:14:04,577 --> 00:14:07,314 I got a girlfriend, 345 00:14:07,347 --> 00:14:09,682 I got the answers I deserve. 346 00:14:09,716 --> 00:14:11,985 Thank you, Ahmad White. 347 00:14:12,019 --> 00:14:13,486 Most people don't realize 348 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,256 their chakra's in another universe. 349 00:14:16,289 --> 00:14:17,991 Don't be dumb. 350 00:14:18,025 --> 00:14:19,592 Call now. 351 00:14:19,626 --> 00:14:22,662 Me and Ahmad found out I was a moon sign, 352 00:14:22,695 --> 00:14:25,165 and I wasn't getting enough crystal in my diet. 353 00:14:25,198 --> 00:14:28,168 Now, I live in a beautiful home. 354 00:14:28,201 --> 00:14:30,437 Ahmad gave me the answers I was looking for. 355 00:14:30,470 --> 00:14:31,905 Come to our Liberty Center 356 00:14:31,939 --> 00:14:34,607 and get a free juice and Nutella sandwich. 357 00:14:34,641 --> 00:14:37,911 When I called Ahmad, my life was going nowhere fast. 358 00:14:37,945 --> 00:14:40,113 After a Nutella sandwich and juice, 359 00:14:40,147 --> 00:14:42,115 my life's a lot better. 360 00:14:42,149 --> 00:14:45,285 (upbeat tone sustained) 361 00:14:45,318 --> 00:14:46,619 Open your third eye. 362 00:14:46,653 --> 00:14:48,255 He works. 363 00:14:48,288 --> 00:14:49,789 He just works. 364 00:14:49,822 --> 00:14:52,960 He works. He really works. 365 00:14:52,993 --> 00:14:55,362 He works. He really, really works. 366 00:14:55,395 --> 00:14:57,764 Knowledge is the path to greatness. 367 00:14:57,797 --> 00:15:00,600 If you'd like to be smart as a baby dolphin, 368 00:15:00,633 --> 00:15:02,235 call now. 369 00:15:02,269 --> 00:15:05,138 (ethereal music) 370 00:15:08,341 --> 00:15:11,311 (upbeat hip-hop instrumental music) 371 00:15:11,344 --> 00:15:13,313 * 372 00:15:13,346 --> 00:15:15,015 (engine revs) 373 00:15:20,687 --> 00:15:22,222 That's a nice car. 374 00:15:22,255 --> 00:15:23,823 You know him? 375 00:15:23,856 --> 00:15:25,925 That's Victor Wallace. 376 00:15:25,959 --> 00:15:28,461 His wife left him for his brother. 377 00:15:28,495 --> 00:15:30,463 Long court battle. 378 00:15:30,497 --> 00:15:32,732 Kids, house-- 379 00:15:32,765 --> 00:15:35,135 It got messy. 380 00:15:35,168 --> 00:15:38,138 He ain't say one word the whole trial. 381 00:15:38,171 --> 00:15:40,673 But then at the end, he just stood up and said, 382 00:15:40,707 --> 00:15:43,676 "Leave me my Dodge Charger." 383 00:15:47,147 --> 00:15:49,482 He been driving around this neighborhood 384 00:15:49,516 --> 00:15:51,351 in circles for a week. 385 00:15:51,384 --> 00:15:54,821 -Just waving. -Mm. 386 00:15:54,854 --> 00:15:56,956 Nice car though. 387 00:15:56,990 --> 00:15:58,358 (nozzle fumbling) 388 00:15:58,391 --> 00:16:01,361 (upbeat hip-hop instrumental music) 389 00:16:01,394 --> 00:16:06,699 * 390 00:16:06,733 --> 00:16:08,035 (tires screech) 391 00:16:08,068 --> 00:16:09,636 * 392 00:16:09,669 --> 00:16:12,839 MAN: The Dodge Charger. Keep it in the divorce. 393 00:16:14,974 --> 00:16:17,344 (gasps) King Coco's Crunch-O's. 394 00:16:17,377 --> 00:16:19,679 The legend is true! 395 00:16:19,712 --> 00:16:20,713 (creaking) 396 00:16:20,747 --> 00:16:22,549 Gimme that crunch! 397 00:16:22,582 --> 00:16:24,017 No! 398 00:16:24,051 --> 00:16:25,018 (grunts) 399 00:16:25,052 --> 00:16:26,286 Nice try. 400 00:16:26,319 --> 00:16:27,354 But only kids can have... 401 00:16:27,387 --> 00:16:29,556 all: Coconut Crunch-O's. 402 00:16:29,589 --> 00:16:31,691 WOLF: That chocolatey coconut crunch 403 00:16:31,724 --> 00:16:33,526 in every bite. (crunches) 404 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,728 Oh, I can almost taste it! 405 00:16:35,762 --> 00:16:37,230 Bbbbbb! 406 00:16:37,264 --> 00:16:38,498 (train horn whistles) 407 00:16:38,531 --> 00:16:40,900 Oh, I got to have them Crunch-O's! 408 00:16:40,933 --> 00:16:42,235 -(grunts) -Ow! Ow! 409 00:16:42,269 --> 00:16:44,003 Man! Ow! 410 00:16:44,037 --> 00:16:46,206 -Stop resisting. -(pained groans) 411 00:16:46,239 --> 00:16:48,141 -Stop resisting, sir. -(pained struggle) Damn! 412 00:16:48,175 --> 00:16:50,177 -Stop...resisting. -Shit, man! 413 00:16:50,210 --> 00:16:52,312 Oh! Mother-- (grunts) 414 00:16:52,345 --> 00:16:53,513 Stay down. (handcuffs click) 415 00:16:53,546 --> 00:16:54,714 What happened? 416 00:16:54,747 --> 00:16:55,915 He's going to jail. 417 00:16:55,948 --> 00:16:57,016 That's what happened. 418 00:16:57,050 --> 00:16:58,851 This is some bullshit! 419 00:16:58,885 --> 00:16:59,886 You all right? 420 00:16:59,919 --> 00:17:01,188 He's fine. 421 00:17:01,221 --> 00:17:03,156 He just doesn't wanna go to jail. 422 00:17:03,190 --> 00:17:04,424 You sitting on my back, man! 423 00:17:04,457 --> 00:17:05,425 (bones crack) Ah! 424 00:17:05,458 --> 00:17:06,693 Sir, be quiet. 425 00:17:06,726 --> 00:17:08,328 Yo! You sitting on his back! 426 00:17:08,361 --> 00:17:10,197 He was trying to steal your cereal, right? 427 00:17:10,230 --> 00:17:12,065 I mean, it's just cereal. 428 00:17:12,099 --> 00:17:13,200 He can have it! 429 00:17:13,233 --> 00:17:15,168 Man, I'm just hungry, man! 430 00:17:15,202 --> 00:17:17,170 They don't let wolves in stores, man! 431 00:17:17,204 --> 00:17:18,571 Step back, guys. 432 00:17:18,605 --> 00:17:20,039 I'm going to lift the offender up. 433 00:17:20,073 --> 00:17:22,409 We are now going to our feet, sir. 434 00:17:22,442 --> 00:17:24,177 Let's go, sir, let's go. 435 00:17:24,211 --> 00:17:26,246 Nigga, I could be eating these kids! 436 00:17:26,279 --> 00:17:28,181 But I'm out here eating cereal! 437 00:17:28,215 --> 00:17:29,549 Hey, it's cool! 438 00:17:29,582 --> 00:17:31,284 We'll just give him the cereal. 439 00:17:31,318 --> 00:17:32,685 No, only kids 440 00:17:32,719 --> 00:17:35,021 can have Coconut Crunch-O's. You know that. 441 00:17:35,054 --> 00:17:36,589 (tsks) That's a wack law. 442 00:17:36,623 --> 00:17:39,292 This fool know he eat Coconut Crunch-O's, 443 00:17:39,326 --> 00:17:41,228 and you ain't no kid! 444 00:17:41,261 --> 00:17:43,363 Let me do my job. 445 00:17:43,396 --> 00:17:46,199 I said back up...sir! 446 00:17:46,233 --> 00:17:50,470 (brooding dramatic music) 447 00:17:50,503 --> 00:17:52,972 (crunches) 448 00:17:55,442 --> 00:17:56,909 MAN: Coconut Crunch-O's 449 00:17:56,943 --> 00:17:59,045 is a part of this balanced breakfast. 450 00:17:59,078 --> 00:18:02,782 (theme music playing) 451 00:18:02,815 --> 00:18:05,452 Earlier we showed a clip about a young man 452 00:18:05,485 --> 00:18:08,388 dealing with trans-racial identity. 453 00:18:08,421 --> 00:18:11,924 Well, we've got him joining us via Facebook video chat. 454 00:18:11,958 --> 00:18:14,627 Please welcome Antwoine Smalls to the show. 455 00:18:14,661 --> 00:18:17,497 Hello, Montague, thank you for having me on your show. 456 00:18:17,530 --> 00:18:19,232 -So now, Antwoine... ALFRED: (laughs) 457 00:18:19,266 --> 00:18:21,834 -It's Harrison. -I'm sorry. 458 00:18:21,868 --> 00:18:24,137 -Harrison. -(chuckling) 459 00:18:24,171 --> 00:18:26,473 FRANKLIN: How's your life been since we last saw you? 460 00:18:26,506 --> 00:18:27,574 ALFRED: Ohh... 461 00:18:27,607 --> 00:18:29,008 It's pretty good. 462 00:18:29,041 --> 00:18:31,178 I just came back from Charleston, South Carolina. 463 00:18:31,211 --> 00:18:32,779 FRANKLIN: Ah. -Beautiful. 464 00:18:32,812 --> 00:18:34,347 I was checking out some cheap art spaces 465 00:18:34,381 --> 00:18:36,115 for me and a friend that I made, uh-- 466 00:18:36,149 --> 00:18:37,750 What--wait-- I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 467 00:18:37,784 --> 00:18:39,952 Yo. This is dumb. 468 00:18:39,986 --> 00:18:41,821 -Like, that--this is dumb. DEBRA: What-- 469 00:18:41,854 --> 00:18:43,623 ALFRED: Like, dude, wait, wait. Did you power up? 470 00:18:43,656 --> 00:18:45,292 'Cause you look like Super Saiyan right now. 471 00:18:45,325 --> 00:18:47,093 Like, is that, like, is that the Goku... 472 00:18:47,126 --> 00:18:48,328 FRANKLIN: (sighs) -Like Dragon Ball collection, 473 00:18:48,361 --> 00:18:49,929 my (bleep), like? You look like 474 00:18:49,962 --> 00:18:51,431 -a fake Ellen DeGeneres. -This is just... 475 00:18:51,464 --> 00:18:53,266 -Like a Felon DeGeneres. -Okay. 476 00:18:53,300 --> 00:18:56,035 Look, no-no-no, you look like Drake Malfoy, dude, like. 477 00:18:56,068 --> 00:18:58,538 Bangs, my (bleep)? Like, nobody told you 478 00:18:58,571 --> 00:19:00,207 -not to do bangs--Like-- FRANKLIN: Okay, okay. 479 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,342 -Nice tolerance. FRANKLIN: Mr. Boi. 480 00:19:02,375 --> 00:19:04,010 ALFRED: What is up--Wait, wait-- -Okay, okay, thank you. 481 00:19:04,043 --> 00:19:05,812 -None of y'all? Okay. FRANKLIN: Thank you. 482 00:19:05,845 --> 00:19:07,146 -That is very inappropriate. -Sorry, man, go ahead. 483 00:19:07,180 --> 00:19:08,981 -Shh. -It's--it's okay. 484 00:19:09,015 --> 00:19:11,518 Sadly, the black community, they just aren't accepting 485 00:19:11,551 --> 00:19:13,152 of racial diversity or 486 00:19:13,186 --> 00:19:14,687 anyone different, for that matter. 487 00:19:14,721 --> 00:19:17,023 -Mm. Now, Harrison... ALFRED: (groans) 488 00:19:17,056 --> 00:19:19,058 Would you say that, uh, the--the rap game 489 00:19:19,091 --> 00:19:21,694 or the hip-hop community is especially intolerant 490 00:19:21,728 --> 00:19:23,630 of the lifestyle you chose? 491 00:19:23,663 --> 00:19:26,065 We really can't blame rap or the hip-hop culture. 492 00:19:26,098 --> 00:19:28,801 He's just expressing himself to the best of his ability. 493 00:19:28,835 --> 00:19:31,137 And I will defend his right to do that. 494 00:19:31,170 --> 00:19:33,673 He's telling a story, or, like, views from the streets. 495 00:19:33,706 --> 00:19:35,308 -You know, like a ghetto news. -Mm. 496 00:19:35,342 --> 00:19:37,176 -Okay. (snickers) -But--but Harrison, 497 00:19:37,210 --> 00:19:39,412 don't you think that the rap community 498 00:19:39,446 --> 00:19:42,148 and its treatment of transpeople and homosexuals 499 00:19:42,181 --> 00:19:45,218 is indicative of a larger problem in the black community, 500 00:19:45,252 --> 00:19:47,854 one that makes your lifestyle unacceptable? 501 00:19:47,887 --> 00:19:49,522 No, no way. Not at all. 502 00:19:49,556 --> 00:19:52,525 I mean, a man wanting to turn himself into a woman-- 503 00:19:52,559 --> 00:19:54,494 that's just unnatural, and I don't think 504 00:19:54,527 --> 00:19:57,330 we should have our kids thinking that that's okay. 505 00:19:57,364 --> 00:19:58,898 So I will support that message. 506 00:19:58,931 --> 00:20:00,400 Wait, wait, wait, wait. 507 00:20:00,433 --> 00:20:01,668 -What are you saying? -(stifled laugh) 508 00:20:01,701 --> 00:20:03,169 I'm not into gay marriage. 509 00:20:03,202 --> 00:20:04,704 That--that is gross. 510 00:20:04,737 --> 00:20:06,239 Why would I ever tolerate something like that? 511 00:20:06,273 --> 00:20:07,674 Marriage is meant for 512 00:20:07,707 --> 00:20:09,276 a man and a woman, not that-- 513 00:20:09,309 --> 00:20:11,378 that's an abomination. We're--We--No. 514 00:20:11,411 --> 00:20:13,045 How can you say that 515 00:20:13,079 --> 00:20:14,781 with the discrimination you were just talking about? 516 00:20:14,814 --> 00:20:16,349 -I mean, how-- -It's the truth. 517 00:20:16,383 --> 00:20:19,018 -What are you, crazy? -This (bleep) crazy! 518 00:20:19,051 --> 00:20:20,687 That is all the time we have tonight. 519 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,455 -I'd like to thank my guests... ALFRED: Oh, my God. 520 00:20:22,489 --> 00:20:24,591 -Dr. Holt, Paper Boi. ALFRED: (chuckling) 521 00:20:24,624 --> 00:20:27,394 Please check for her book Transition, 522 00:20:27,427 --> 00:20:30,096 as well as Paper Boi's mixtape Postal. 523 00:20:30,129 --> 00:20:31,898 ALFRED: Yup! -Available... 524 00:20:31,931 --> 00:20:34,901 wherever mixtapes are available. 525 00:20:34,934 --> 00:20:37,470 -Good night. ALFRED: (laughing) 526 00:20:37,504 --> 00:20:40,740 Like, you look like a dying palm tree. 527 00:20:40,773 --> 00:20:43,443 Right? Like you look like the lost fifth Beatle, 528 00:20:43,476 --> 00:20:45,211 my (bleep), that they just don't talk about. 529 00:20:45,244 --> 00:20:47,314 That, like, power up, like-- 530 00:20:47,347 --> 00:20:49,916 they gave him (bleep) bangs, like--(laughing). 531 00:20:49,949 --> 00:20:51,584 DEBRA: I don't care for it. 532 00:20:51,618 --> 00:20:54,587 (theme music playing) 533 00:20:54,621 --> 00:21:01,461 * 534 00:21:49,976 --> 00:21:51,844 (dramatic music) 535 00:21:53,179 --> 00:21:55,047 (low sustained tone)