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NEWS REPORT:A murder investigation has been launched
after a woman was found dead in her home in Wisbech.
She's disabled,
she was tortured.
I've never seen anything like it.
It's just horrible to think that someone done that to her.
The wounds to the neck, they're not all one side, are they?
They're both sides, which means you'd either have to swap hands...
Yeah, or it's two people.
They could have gone that way, round the back,
they could have gone that way.
Oh, you're making my job even harder now.
We've had an update.
She deals drugs from her bungalow.
She normally like unlocks the door at seven,
but sometimes she leaves it unlocked all night so anyone can walk in.
Eliza told her that she was having issues with Mark Coleman.
They found a substantial amount of heroin.
That's a bit of a game changer.
A prisoner called Mark Coleman.
He's unresponsive in his cell.
You can see a partial numberplate.
That is the car, you can read the index.
Kind of sounds like they're having a bit of a ding-dong, to be honest.
"You are being cut off right now."
I'm arresting you on suspicion of the murder of Eliza Bibby.
God it's like trying to wade through all these weeds, isn't it?
So we're not getting the whole truth.
I'd like to know, like, what happened.
How it all ended up like it did.
Poor old Eliza.
It's crucial that we find the truth.
Police, police!
Hands behind your back.
Got to question everything, believe nobody.
It's almost a game of chess, trying to get them to slip up.
This is your opportunity to talk to me.
NEWS REPORT:47-year-old Eliza Bibby was found stabbed
to death in her home in Beachwood Road in Wisbech.
After three arrests, the Major Crime Unit are continuing
to investigate the murder of Eliza Bibby.
Hot off the press, knife has been found.
Really?
Beechwood Close. A knife's been found?
A knife has been found. Oh, amazing, whereabouts was it found?
Did he say the garage roof?
Can't see any blood or anything on it. Wow. Interesting.
Mmm!
Brilliant. Going into fast-track for forensics.
Is it the murder weapon?
It is a movable object found outside her property,
numerous days after her murder.
So we would look at that knife to see if there is any forensic link,
is Eliza's blood on it?
BIRDS CAW
Obviously because she was serving up gear,
quite a lot of people knew her, you know?
The morning of that day I thought, well, I see the ambulance outside.
You know, I thought she had been tripped up and that.
And when I got there, there was like, the ambulance driver.
I knocked at the door, and the guy came to the door.
He said, "Yeah, can I help you?"
I said, "I've just come to see Eliza."
He said, "Oh, you're not going to be able to see her.
"She's had a bad accident."
And that was it, really.
So I said, "OK, I'll come back later on."
The actual guy said, like, "I'm waiting for the police to arrive."
Until I looked through the window, I see her laying on the floor,
with all the blood around her, it was like...
It was like a bit of a shock, you know?
It was proper nasty, with the stabbing and that.
I mean, she was only 47, wasn't she?
But I've known her for years,
I used to do quite a lot of work for her, round the bungalow, like.
Clearing up rubbish and taking the dogs out for her.
You know, she's a good friend to me.
And, like, if she had a problem,
if one of the dogs had knocked her over or something, she'd phone me.
Say "Mark, can you pop over? I've hurt myself," or whatever.
"Help me up." I'd fly across from here on my bike
and go and try and help her, you know?
But she didn't phone me this time.
So obviously it must have happened really quick, you know?
You know, it's like...
Oh, I don't know any more.
Well, I'm hurting anyway you know? Still hurting.
I keep trying to put it behind me
but it's unbelievable that someone would have took her life.
Good morning everyone.
We had a bit of a breakthrough, hopefully.
Stu, do you just want to update everyone with what that was?
Yes, of course.
We've got the victim's blood on the knife.
So we believe the knife to be the murder weapon.
Excellent.
Haven't been too lucky in this job, but maybe the tide is turning?
The lead scientist suggested
we do some special statistical analysis
from the bottom of the handle of the knife.
Once he removed the profile of the victim,
what was left over just met the threshold for
a one-off speculative search of the database.
He got back one hit.
The caveat with that is, it's given us a one in 12,000 possibility.
So, effectively, taking 12,000 people off the street
you could expect to get the same link.
And one in 12,000 means there's three people in Wisbech it could be,
population of Wisbech being about 30-something thousand.
So, not a particularly high stat at the moment.
But the hope is that we'll get his DNA sample, then we can upgrade it
and that may improve when we run it again.
The hit that came back was to a Jamie Boughen.
Jamie has come out of left field,
he was a surprise.
People hear DNA and they think, "Brilliant that's case solved."
But one in 12,000 is a low hit,
and that's only really an indication.
The DNA on the knife does not belong to any of the previous suspects
in the investigation.
And, despite the possibility that two other people in Wisbech
could match the DNA, the decision is made to arrest Jamie Boughen.
RAPID KNOCKING
It's the police!
Come and open the door, please.
OK. The time is now 0740 hours and I'm arresting you
on suspicion of the murder of Eliza Bibby.
You do not have to say anything...
You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defence
if you do not mention when questioned something which you
may later rely on in court.
The public might think the police have got no idea,
they're just plucking random people out and arresting them,
but we have followed the evidence.
That's it, mate. Just take a seat, get comfortable.
This is a really complex investigation
and sometimes the only way to rule people out
who are on the periphery is to arrest them.
Hiya, you all right? Yeah, I'm just looking for Jamie.
He's not here at the moment. Oh.
He's currently helping us with some enquiries
so he's probably not going to be back until a bit later.
Can I pass him on a message? Do you want me to tell him that you called?
Tell him that his daughter said hello, is he all right?
I've just come to check on him.
Oh, OK, are you his only daughter?
No, I'm the baby. So you're the baby? Yeah.
All right, I'll let him know. OK, thank you.
OK, all right, cheers.
That was his daughter, come to see him.
You all right, mate? How you doing?
If you'd like to come and stand just here for us.
OK, can I take your surname, please?
Boughen. B-O-U-G-H-E-N.
And your first name? Jamie.
OK, in relation to your medical conditions, what have you got?
I've got spinal damage.
The intel basically says he's living at 19 Waterlees,
which is a property owned by a charity.
So why is here in there, then?
He fell through a roof in 2017 and broke his back.
You could have lost your job or been kicked out of home,
it's paid for by the government, and they've got internal cameras.
So our priorities are going to be to revisit Waterlees
for the CCTV.
How quick can that new DNA sample get put through
the system and matched whilst he's in custody?
Oh, we hope, we'd probably... You know, one day.
I would hope we'd have the result latter part of the following day.
What about legal advice, do you want a solicitor?
No, not until I've spoken to somebody what's this about?
Know what I mean? Because I've got nothing to hide.
I ain't done nothing wrong. OK.
If it's wrong for the fourth time, I'll happily admit that I'm wrong.
Ultimately, someone's lost their life.
That's much bigger than my ego.
Got four kids, two grandkids.
And another grandkid on the way.
And I'm sitting here. Oh, good God.
If you're all right to pop up here with me, we'll just do your DNA.
The Major Crime Unit won't get the results of the more accurate test
to match Jamie Boughen's DNA for another day.
While they wait, DI Mepstead
is alerted to CCTV from his home address.
Ah, this is matey-boy.
He lives in this room just here at the bottom of the stairs.
OK. This is actually really good CCTV, isn't it? Mm.
This bloke rocks up at 2330 hours.
We spoke to the area manager and she says they're not supposed
to have any guests after I think she said 6pm.
I mean, this lad looks quite young.
So why is he in there, then?
He was there from midnight.
They leave together at five past midnight
and they've come back at half hour later.
That's when they've probably done it.
Which is quite possible. It's a, what, eight minute walk?
Seven minute walk. Google has it at seven minutes.
Yeah, it's not... It's literally not far at all.
We have still got an outstanding suspect, potentially,
because we think that there's maybe two involved.
So let's find out who this other dude is then, as well.
While being processed into custody,
Jamie Boughen complains of chest pain.
Cool, we'll have a quick look at that.
It doesn't indicate to why you have this chest pain.
But obviously we can't see everything that's happening.
He is taken to hospital for tests.
Quite a lot of tablets in there.
While officers search the new suspect's home,
a man arrives looking for him.
Hi, you all right? Yeah, you?
Are you... Is that your mate in there? Yeah.
Do you want to come and have a chat with us?
Because I'm from the police, by the way.
What's your name, bud? Jack. Jack.
Just bear with me a sec, Jack.
So, that's Jamie. Yeah.
And that's the one we think's turned up. We think.
That's him.
This is a joke, man, honestly.
Again, if I was wrong, then I'm sorry
and I'm happy to apologise to you.
You're fucking full of shit, honest to God, man.
You're under arrest on suspicion of the murder of Eliza Bibby.
You don't have to say anything, OK?
I'm at the stage where this is the fifth person
that's been arrested for Eliza's murder.
And, potentially, if this isn't the right person
people are going to start losing faith.
With another suspect under arrest for Eliza's murder,
Jamie Boughen returns from hospital.
What treatment did you get at hospital?
Just pain relief, buddy.
Pain relief, yeah? Are you on any medication?
Yeah, fentanyl. Yeah. Pregabalin.
Yeah. Amitriptyline. How do you feel now?
I've got a bit of dull pain in my chest, but I'm all right.
Just going to let the medic do her bit.
PHONE RINGS
We've got a DP for custody.
We're just going to wait here.
So, your medication that's in your property... Yeah.
So why were you prescribed the oxycodone in hospital?
What was that for?
Because they didn't have my meds, or my records or nothing over there.
So is that on your prescription still?
No. No? That's just like a one-off thing.
So was your GP made aware that you got put on oxycodone?
Oh, I assume so. Assume so, OK. That's fine.
We will contact your pharmacy
and see if we can help you to get the medication
to make sure that you're pain free whilst being in here.
Used to be a builder, until I fell off the roof and broke my back.
Broken spine in four places,
broken hips, broken legs, broken ribs, broken wrists.
Spent 30 days in a coma.
Nine operations later...
..I'm sitting here in a police station.
Went from a family man with a good job
to seeing women and kids on Jeremy Kyle all day.
Yeah, not good. But it is what it is, isn't it?
Got a broken body still.
I'll be in pain every day for the rest of my life.
Bailey's told me all about his medical conditions but we'll get
the medication. Is there anything else I need to know about?
When you're moving to interview, before you bring him out,
just make sure that we're not moving the other one around.
Think crossovers, yeah.
You all right there, mate? How you doing?
The offence?
Information has been received that Jack here has been involved
in the murder of Eliza Bibby.
As for the murder, I'm obliged to keep you here for court.
There ain't no charge, bruv.
Yeah, OK. But we're so early days in it, mate, we just need...
This is an investigative process just to try
and establish whether you were involved or not.
Did you want legal advice, a solicitor? Yeah, I do, yeah. Yeah?
RECORDING DEVICE BEEPS
The interview is about finding the truth.
We want to know who killed Eliza,
we want to know why,
we have our reasons for thinking it may be you.
and I'm going to start with a straightforward question,
are you responsible for the murder of Eliza Bibby?
No, I'm not.
Tell me everything that you know about Eliza's murder.
There's not a lot I do know, you know? I just presume that
everybody's been speaking that it was Mark Coleman that had done it.
it was just the word on the street, you know what I mean?
And that's what's been going round the street to this day.
Yeah. What's your relationship with Eliza?
She was my friend.
And that's why it's diabolical that I'm even sitting here.
It's unfathomable that I've anything to do with this.
You're upset about Eliza's murder,
you're upset about being here, I get that.
I've had nothing to do with this at all.
Absolutely nothing to do.
I haven't even got a criminal record for fucking violence and shit.
Like this is not my cup of tea, this is not me.
I came in here without a solicitor, willingly, to talk to you.
Yeah, I get that and I appreciate that.
If I had something to hide, first I'd have done was got a solicitor.
They're family, they're close friends, all right? Yeah.
You can speak to anybody in that town who knows me, all right, yeah?
I'm not a violent person, never have been in my life, never.
I was heartbroken, all right? I've known the family for years.
I will answer your questions all day and all night,
I have done nothing wrong.
Tell us about Eliza, tell us about the last time you saw her.
You know everything about Eliza now, you know what I mean?
And for me to sit here and tell you that she was a drug dealer,
I can't say stuff like that, that's my friend who's dead.
Tell me, in as much detail as possible,
everything that you did that night.
I'm unsure, probably went to see my grandkids.
That's all I do, is go see my kids and grandkids.
I'm on a lot of medications for poorly health,
I can't remember what I done yesterday.
So can I ask you a question there, then?
You can, I might not be able to answer it, and it might...
Why do you think it's anything that I'm involved in, this?
We have CCTV...
..of a person that we believe is you.
Is that enough for you to start answering some of my questions?
Yeah.
Thank you.
Is this anything to do with Jack?
How do you know Jack?
Known him all his life.
Were you with Jack on the night that Eliza was killed?
Off the top of my head I don't know, could have been.
Wisbech is a shithole. There's nothing about it.
No jobs, no fuck all, so what do they expect for us to do?
Take you down the wrong path, innit?
Everything don't go my way and that.
And I fuck things up, and that.
Then regret it all after.
DI Mepstead is alerted to further CCTV
from Jamie Boughen's home address,
revealing both men returning after being out for over half an hour.
Got his towel.
They go in, change their clothes and then go head to the washing machine.
Washing machine.
Why would you do washing that time of night?
It looked like a grey sweater or jumper in the washing machine.
He's putting bleach in. Is he? Well, there you go then.
Pretty sure that was a Domestos blue bottle of bleach in his hand.
That'll get rid of blood. Whoa, that is. There you go.
That is, isn't it?
That is a bleach bottle. That's quite damning that is, isn't it?
Fucking hell, it's like well dodge.
Doing a clean up job then, ain't he?
That's damning, isn't it?
So on the 9th, in January,
we know around 8pm was the last time somebody saw Eliza.
And she was found the next morning just after 6am, deceased.
I'm going to go for a little bit of a timeline.
At 2330 hours Jack went to the address.
So you go out at 00:05:13, OK?
You've come back just over half an hour later.
I just want you to sit and have a think.
Do you go anywhere with him that night?
Not that I can recap.
Where is it you and Jack are going?
I don't really know.
I ain't got a clue.
I can't recall this night at all, not one tiny bit.
OK.
This is absolutely nothing to do with me.
Absolutely nothing.
Did they both go out to kill Eliza?
One's not going to know what the other's
going to say in interview.
Their accounts are going to differ if they're not telling the truth.
Think back to what you did when you go out.
Look, I was just trying and piece it all together a minute ago.
Like, I ain't 100% sure. It's really important.
it don't get more important than a murder, does it?
Maybe you can help us with what's going on here.
I know what you're thinking there, that don't look too good
why he's got his clothes off there, does it? Mmm.
HE CHUCKLES That looks good don't it?
Nah tell you the truth, yeah, that's what we done, yeah.
Just been to the cash machine, been and got some coke.
That's what that is.
Coke? Yeah, cocaine. OK.
He stares into fucking thin air for ages, he will.
Is that after using?
Yeah, after using, yeah.
Right.
Talks himself quite a lot when he's had stuff,
he's usually tell you the same shit over and over,
so half the time I don't really listen.
And obviously you're taken your top off at that point as well.
Yeah, because of the heat though. That is all it was.
It was in a sauna anyway, it's red hot in there.
OK.
Do you know if he ever bought off Eliza?
Truthfully, couldn't tell you.
I don't know who he dealt with, mate, to be honest with you. Right.
Just look at this bit of footage because this is a little bit odd
and you might have a completely innocent explanation for this one.
Yeah, yeah.
HE LAUGHS
What's going on there?
Well, I'm going to the washing machine. obviously.
OK. Quarter to one in the morning.
Yeah.
Is that when you would normally wash, do your laundry? Yeah.
Jamie's loading up the washing machine.
Are any of your clothes in that wash?
Nah. Nah.
That's bleach, innit? So, that's bleach.
Any idea why he would wash that in bleach?
Nah. Because I weren't in there,
I didn't see him do that, do you know what I mean?
Bleach ain't something you put on your clothes either, is it?
Jack has changed his story on presentation of the CCTV. Yeah.
And went "Oh, yeah, I remember now.
"We went out to buy cocaine and came back."
They then come out of the room, start stripping off
because they're getting really hot and sweaty.
It don't sit well with me.
He's coming across as plausible, which is quite interesting.
Because I thought he would be rattled a bit more.
And he literally watched it and said, "I remember this night.
"I took my top off." And he said, "He took his top off."
He said, "But why the bloody hell's he washing it with bleach?"
He said, "That's not my clothes going in there," he said.
"Because I take mine with me, you saw I put them back on."
He said, "Why's he using bleach?"
Still doesn't explain the way that he's having a proper
get-undressed wash.
He's not having a wash. He said, "I am sweating."
It's just coincidence that he's bloody there.
But, I don't know, he came across as plausible didn't he?
He was... I wouldn't say he was...
There was certainly no hint of him sort of crumbling under pressure
and suddenly telling all.
Jack is stripping down,
he isn't putting his clothes in the wash, is he? No.
You've put your clothes into the washing machine. Yeah.
You've put it on a wash cycle with bleach.
Yeah.
Does that not strike you as odd?
No. I've always done it.
Wouldn't that ruin your clothes? Oh, my fucking...
Right, boys you are really barking up the wrong tree here, mate.
I've tried to and all the rest, this here is not what you are thinking.
So we're going to call the interview done now right, yeah?
I'm going to get a solicitor involved and everything. OK.
If you think I've had anything to do with this, right, yeah?
You charge me. You charge me now, all right, yeah?
Because this is not me, 100%.
I am not a violent person, right, yeah?
And this is not me. I can see what you're trying to say, right?
But I'm done now. OK, OK. Interview finished.
Yeah, OK. What's the time?
You've asked for a solicitor so we're going to pause
the interview at 16 minutes past 12.
Don't know about pausing the interview. I'm done.
RECORDING DEVICE BEEPS Done with this.
There's no days I feel fine, no nights I feel fine.
There's not a minute, really, you feel fine.
It's on your mind 24/7.
You keep going over it, and over it and over it.
And you end up back where you started from.
The Major Crime Unit have two suspects in custody.
While they are waiting for the updated DNA results, they continue
to investigate both men's behaviour on the night of the murder.
Update from yesterday's activities, then.
Just the perception of Jack is he is very talkative.
He's come across as wanting to be quite helpful,
so he can say his movements that night.
Is there anything that we've picked up from phones?
The phone number for Jack, we've had call data for that.
But it does show that it may have moved around midnight,
which would be consistent with the CCTV.
But, if anything, it moves away from Eliza's house, not towards it.
What Jack's telling us is the truth,
in that he went round there, they left
and they turned right, rather than going left towards Eliza's.
It all matches up and lines up.
But what we have is when Jamie leaves earlier,
going out on his own.
23:15, he's walking in the direction of Eliza's.
We then see him returning
and walking back towards his home address.
So what is the timescales involved in that?
23 minutes.
Our case is continuing to get strong against Jamie Boughen
and mixed with the forensic evidence which we've got on the knife,
it sort of strengthens the case against him
and does begin to diminish it against Jack.
The CCTV that Claire's got as well would suggest that he's on his own
anyway, with the hunched back. For the offence, yeah.
That'll take him out as a suspect.
Yeah, do that.
Want to get out of Wisbech.
Too much hassle, Wisbech.
Keep out the way, keep away from it all.
Keep away from the drugs and all that shit, innit?
But some drugs have a different effect on different people,
do you know what I mean?
Come on, let's go.
Hi, Jamie.
I just thought I'd quickly come and talk to you about your medication.
So, as far as we're aware, your prescription medication,
I've spoke to your GP surgery.
They said that they haven't had a list go into the pharmacy.
There's no fentanyl patches in there.
When you had your open compound fracture
of your lower spine, was this when this incident occurred?
OK.
The co-codamol I gave you earlier,
is that still effective or was that...
It wore off ages ago. It wore off ages ago, OK.
With suspicion now exclusively focused on Jamie Boughen
for the murder, DS Colin Nelson speaks to associates of the victim
for further intelligence.
She got to know Eliza through a friend of hers who was a drug user.
Yeah. Had a very bad back and the medicine, the GP wasn't prescribing
sufficiently strong painkillers for her,
so the friend suggested, "Oh, Eliza's got some."
So effectively she started to supply her sort of prescription drugs.
Some stronger painkillers.
Eliza is the first dealer that I've come across
who's dealt painkillers.
And actually Jamie may have gone there in order
to get some painkillers rather than heroin.
And that may explain why the heroin was left.
Aha!
She's going to contact the surgery to find out what he actually is
prescribed, just in case he is. Yeah.
But she says, in her opinion,
they're not a prescription medication that you would get.
I'm going through his stuff the he's got boxes of.
But this one's dated 2022, December.
It's a 28 day pack,
so he's either not taking his medication and using it properly...
Or he's not needing it because he's got better stuff. Yeah.
He was due to have an operation early January on his back,
but he's told the key workers in there
that they can no longer operate on him
because his body doesn't react to the anaesthetic,
so he's not having an operation.
He's addicted to pain control medication.
It's just to update you.
With fresh information about Jamie Boughen's drug use,
officers question the true nature of his relationship with Eliza Bibby.
So he was aware, through Eliza telling him,
that there'd been this falling out with Jamie.
"I don't want to deal to you, I don't have any left."
And then he sort of shouted at her and slammed the door.
Oh, that's interesting.
But it would be very unlikely that Jamie would ever stay
for other than just scoring.
Eliza she was, like, on it.
I know a guy that used to, erm, supply her with like medication.
Like the pregabs, yeah? Which is like a sleeping tablet.
And just make people feel, if they're a bit stressed and that,
or can't sleep, they can get the prescription drugs
to be able to sleep, and relax and chill out
and not stress out so much, you know?
Nine times out of ten when you used to go round there and see her,
she'd be sitting in the chair crashed out.
Yeah, it's not a good thing to be on, that one. The opioids.
You have now asked for a solicitor
and exercised that right, which is perfectly fine.
Are you in any discomfort at the moment, Jamie?
Yeah, I'm in pain. And is your back hurting? Yeah.
OK. Are you all right to keep going Jamie?
Yeah, I'm all right. Yeah, I'm all right.
In your property here in custody,
there are numerous strong,
potentially non-prescribed prescription drugs.
We're of the understanding that Eliza
would also sell heavy prescription painkillers.
Do you go to Eliza to buy these?
No comment.
Are you addicted to pain medication? No comment.
People are painting a different picture
to what you're painting of this go-see-her-every-day friendship.
No comment.
They're saying you're a customer, or Eliza wouldn't deal with you.
No comment.
With the evidence pointing towards their suspect acting alone,
officers request further CCTV from inside the house
from earlier in the evening, before Jack's arrival.
That's got to be before that then. Before Jack's even got here. Yeah.
22:41. He's got his grey tracksuit on.
Not in the same clothes.
And 23:04 he's coming back. Yeah.
This is when he comes back, straight in, into his room.
Yeah, 23:04. So, good half hour before Jack arrives.
And then the next time he comes out...
Those hands are red raw, aren't they?
He's scrubbed his hands pink.
You only do that for one reason.
Yeah, it's just red raw.
The next one is when he opens the door to Jack.
See, then he's in black tracksuit.
So it's grey, grey, grey, grey, grey.
Come back, scrub your hands, then into black tracksuit.
So it shows that something has happened at 11 o'clock
to make him want to change his tracksuit.
Right, let's go and speak to him.
We're going to go through a little bit more CCTV now,
but from a little bit earlier in the evening.
Is that you leaving your room? No comment.
Your clothes look different to the clothes you were wearing
later in the evening when you went out with Jack.
HE SNIFFS
That's not a black tracksuit, that is a grey tracksuit.
I just see a figure just under the street light there,
who's about to walk in the general direction of Eliza's home.
Is that you? No comment.
That's you coming in through the door,
hood up, going straight into your room.
Tell me about that 23 minutes between leaving your residence
and coming back.
What happened in them 23 minutes?
Is it within that 23 minutes that Eliza died?
HE SCOFFS
No comment.
This is ludicrous.
So what are you doing there, Jamie?
No comment.
So, you're putting bleach into the bucket
and there you are leaving the kitchen.
Is there something in your room you need to clean?
No comment.
About five minutes later we've got some more footage
of you coming out of the room.
I'd like you to focus on your hands and your forearms.
They look a lot redder to me.
Am I mistaken?
No comment.
To us, it looks like you've scrubbed your...
.or cleaned your hands vigorously
and rubbed them, and scrubbed them raw.
You're getting this totally wrong. No comment.
Police searched Eliza's property.
Police searched the surrounding area.
And, during them searches,
we found what we believe to be the murder weapon.
Did you put that knife there?
No comment.
That's quite a big kitchen knife.
You wield that at a lady who's vulnerable,
with mobility issues,
you're going to cause them some harm, aren't you?
No comment.
Explain to me why your DNA is on the handle
of the murder weapon used to kill Eliza?
No comment.
Is your DNA on that murder weapon
because you are the one who stabbed her? No comment.
Are you the one who stabbed her in the neck four times?
No comment.
We have you leaving the address in your grey tracksuit,
we have you walking through Beechwood Close.
We have you walking back 15 minutes later.
We have you bleaching clothes, washing your clothes,
scrubbing your arms and your hands,
and we find your DNA on the murder weapon.
One last time to tell us what happened.
No comment.
Did you murder Eliza?
No comment.
The time is now 19:49 and I'm concluding the interview.
RECORDING DEVICE BEEPS
With the evidence against their suspect appearing overwhelming,
the results of the comparison of his DNA
with the DNA found on the knife are received.
We've redone a statistical analysis.
It's gone from one in 12,000 to...
..one in 19 million.
Fucking brilliant. It's better than 12,000.
Hello, Dale it's Graham.
Yeah, charge and remand.
Yeah. All sorted.
You're being charged with murder,
that being that between the 9thh of January 2023
and the 10th of January 2023,
at Wisbech in the county of Cambridgeshire,
murdered Eliza Bibby.
This case has touched loads of lives.
Those people that were arrested that weren't involved.
All their friends and families.
The implications are massive.
I wouldn't be a human being if I wasn't touched
by any of the tragedies that I come into contact with.
And the day I stop feeling that,
will probably be the day that I need to stop this job.
Hi there, I'm a police custody sergeant.
I believe your dad wants to speak to you.
Hi, darling. You all right?
Yeah, I'm fine.
You haven't got to worry about me, I'm OK.
Yeah, listen, listen it's all right.
Don't cry.
She was absolutely distraught, bless her.
Couldn't stop crying, couldn't even speak to me.
Broke my heart.
When you have four daughters, all you want is security for them.
Too many unsavoury people out in the wide world, unfortunately.
There's just certain people out there who take advantage
of situations some people are in.
Them sort of people that a father has to watch out for,
for his daughters.
Jamie would just come here and sit here
and have a chitchat, watch a bit of telly.
Just like good friends, really.
The next day I was out and he came and said,
"Yeah, I found out about that." He said, "I went straight home."
And said, "I was indoors all day crying over it." Yeah?
So, you know, I had no reason to doubt him.
Feel, like, horrible, innit? Deceived, innit? You know?
He didn't come across as that sort of a nasty...
That sort of guy you know? To do that sort of thing.
Because of addiction people will do desperate things,
it's like a bindweed getting hold of you.
To take somebody's life for a couple of tablets, madness.
Take care.
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