- There are rumors that you were dating
a cast member. - Uh...
- No, no, no, no. Stop, stop. Stop, stop, stop.
- Kevin, there are so many things
that I would love to say.
- There's facts, and there's rumors.
- I'm not feeling too good right now, so...
I'm not participating in this [bleep] anymore.
- [exhales sharply]
[tense music]
- It was a season like no other.
Ten eager singles from Houston
chased their dreams to find true love.
- ♪ You might be too good to be true ♪
- And along the way,
there were more twists and turns than ever before.
[glass shatters]
[upbeat music]
It started with a familiar scene,
five couples meeting at the altar for the first time.
- My name's Brett. - My name's Ryan.
Nice to meet you. [laughter]
- And marrying a stranger.
- With this ring, I wed you, Bao.
- You're stuck with me.
- I pronounce you husband and wife.
♪ ♪
- [chuckles] [dramatic musical sting]
- But no one could have predicted what happened next.
[dramatic music]
We watched as the newlyweds
worked to build their relationships.
- I really like you.
I'm falling in love with Bao.
- And saw signs of potential love starting to grow.
- [chuckles]
- But they were met with challenges
every step of the way.
- You never came back.
- I cannot be your wife.
♪ ♪
- On Decision Day,
two couples chose to stay married.
- I want to stay married to my husband.
- I want to stay married.
- I would like to stay married.
- I choose to be married to you, Jose.
- And three ended in divorce.
- Um, yes.
- My answer is no.
- I want to get a divorce.
- I want to stay married. - No.
♪ ♪
- It's been four months
since they made that lifechanging decision.
♪ ♪
Tonight, the entire Houston cast is here,
and you won't believe what has happened
since cameras went away.
- I told you that. - Is this your first time
hearing this, Gil? - Absolutely.
- I--I'm still processing the shock.
There are emotions that are still very complicated.
Are you still in love with her?
- Uh... - Say it.
- Are you okay?
And wounds that have still not healed.
- I'm still clearly upset.
- Did Zack play you?
- Yeah. Yeah, I completely got played.
♪ ♪
- We'll uncover the truth of the past...
- I was blindsided.
- Would you say it distracted you from your marriage?
You knew you were locking her out.
And explore the hope of the future.
- It's easier to now move forward.
- This is marriage.
This is something that I want
for 30, 40, 50, 60 years.
- All this, and so much, much more.
- All of us were flabbergasted. - Whatever.
At this point, like, I'm checking out.
I'm done.
- This is the "Married at First Sight: Houston Reunion."
- ♪ There's no other way ♪
♪ ♪
♪ It's all or nothing ♪
- Hello, and good evening. I'm Kevin Frazier.
And look, I'm excited to welcome you
to the "Married at First Sight" season 13 reunion in Houston.
This past season in Houston was off the charts.
We're gonna hash it all out right here, right now
as I'm joined by the entire Houston cast.
We'll hear from every single person
to get their side of every story.
Nothing is off-limits tonight.
Now unfortunately, due to COVID-19,
I can't be in the studio with the cast,
but I'm anxious to dive in.
And I've got lots of questions. Oh, trust me.
First up tonight on the stage is one of the two couples
who chose to stay together on Decision Day.
Let's welcome Rachel and Jose. Hey, y'all.
- Hi! - Hi. How are you doing?
- We're good. How are you? - How are you?
- Fantastic.
From the beginning,
there was real chemistry between you two
and lots of PDA.
And it felt like a perfect connection.
Did the experts make the right choice?
Did they match you up perfectly?
- Yeah. - Yeah.
I'll go first and say, yeah.
I--everything I had-- And I had a laundry list.
Kevin, you know this. I had a laundry list.
- Oh, we saw your-- We saw your laundry list.
- You know, a all-around gal
that's classy, adventurous, fun.
Well put together. Be ambitious.
Outgoing. Some good, sound morals.
Oh, and the eyes. Gorgeous smile, right?
Beautiful. Wise. Petite, but you know.
You know, I want to be sexually attracted to her, right?
I want to be, you know, drawn to--
"Wow, this is my wife."
But here's the thing, though.
If I was gonna be married at first sight,
I wanted to make sure that I had all what I asked for.
And I got everything I wanted to a T.
Experts definitely hit it on the nail,
so thank you, experts, for that.
- Mm-hmm. Rachel, how about for you?
- Oh, same thing. Everything.
Everything I--I asked for, that's what I got.
That first step down the aisle,
it was just a huge relief for me, you know,
because I was immediately attracted.
I was so lucky that I got looks and personality.
It felt great. I was like,
"Oh, my God, it worked."
- Wow. I love that.
Now, your romance hit a major speedbump,
and the honeymoon was definitely over,
when you, Rachel, called Jose "Johnny."
- [chuckles] - It was just a--
- Oops. Oops. - I mean, I guess a oops.
But Jose, you were not having it.
And you locked her out of the house.
♪ ♪
[knocking on door]
- I'm gonna let you recount what happened.
- Yes, unfortunately, it was an oops.
I probably blew it out of proportion.
It was something that wasn't probably as drastic
or as major as I was making it out to be.
- Jose, you and me. Let's have a real moment.
You knew you were locking her out.
You were angry.
- That wasn't the intent. Um--
- Hold on. Hold on. But I'm just saying.
You knew you were locking her out.
♪ ♪
- Ye--yeah. White and black, yes.
Okay, let's say yes. Okay.
- And you went to bed, and you were just like,
"It is what it is.
I'ma teach her a little bit of a lesson."
- No.
- No? - No.
So I'm thinking, "Okay, well,
"it's already into the 12:30 timeframe.
"She's not sleeping here tonight,
so I'm just gonna go ahead and go to sleep."
- So you think she walked out, left, and she's gone,
and you now are like, "I'ma lock the door,
and I'm going to sleep, and wherever she is, she is"?
- We really hadn't resolved anything, so again,
it's already past 12:30, she's not here.
I know if my wife was gonna stay here,
she would've already been here by now.
♪ ♪
- Jose, it's okay to admit it now.
- I didn't--no! - Oh, listen.
It was foul, what you did. What you did was foul.
- Oh, absolutely it was. - It was foul.
- And I'm truly apologetic. - Yes.
- And remorseful for it. - There we go.
- Yes, I own it. That's on me. - Okay.
I know you were like, "Girl, keep your ass out there."
Yeah, you locked that door like, "Oh, yeah."
- In the back of my mind, I felt that,
but I didn't--that was not-- - At that moment...
- Yes, that was not the intention.
- Is there something you want to say to your wife
now that we've reviewed that moment?
- I mean, I'm just-- I'm truly apologetic
for, you know, everything that has happened
at that moment, for sure.
- Rachel, what do you think now, looking back at that?
- I'm someone that always sees both sides,
and I try to be fair. I do think it was--
- Rachel, Rachel. - No, no, no.
I do think it was intentional. - Okay.
- But you never really expected me
to truly not have a place to sleep.
You just assumed one of the other girls
would just let me sleep in their apartment.
- I don't know--right. - But that wasn't the case.
Everyone was already asleep.
No one could give me a place to sleep.
And then things really got scary
because I don't have a place to sleep.
- You were locked out. Yeah, you were locked out.
- I don't have a place to sleep.
Yeah, I'm like, "Do I just sit in this hallway
and stay awake until you leave for work?"
Like, I really didn't know what was gonna happen.
- Rachel, now, the day after the lockout,
you tried to smooth things over with Jose,
but he wasn't exactly receptive.
Let's watch this. - Mm.
I was here with Brittany. - Uh-huh.
- I walked her out.
I come back, and it's deadbolted.
My husband locked me out of the apartment.
- You know I lock the door every night.
I secure my property before I go to sleep.
- Without your wife home?
- I don't know where you were at
or what you were doing. - Then ask.
- Like, you just took off. - Then ask.
♪ ♪
I feel like you don't care.
♪ ♪
- I don't know.
[chuckles] I really don't know, seriously.
- I feel like I hit a wall.
I feel like I'm talking to a wall.
I don't feel that you're apologetic at all.
- Okay.
- And... yeah.
I cannot be your wife.
♪ ♪
- Okay. Makes sense.
Good. Awesome. - Oh, Jose.
♪ ♪
[laughter]
- As a fan of the show,
watching that, I was like--
It was one of those moments where you're like, hell nah.
You sit up and you want to look at the TV
and you wanna--you know, you lean up and you're like,
man, I can't believe this dude is acting this way.
- [clears throat]
- How do you feel now watching that one?
- At that moment, I'm still-- Still clearly upset.
I'm pissed. I'm like, "Cool.
"Whatever--you know, whatever you want. Whatever."
Like, at this point, like, I'm checking out.
I'm done, like, you know. - Right.
- And you kind of see it.
I'm very pass-- Or passive-aggressive.
Unfortunately, that's not the best way
to approach something like that.
- Yeah, that was the definition
of a passive-aggressive moment.
You're like, "Let me eat my-- I'm good.
"You need some help, I got you.
"I'll roll your luggage down the hallway, girl,
if you need some help, after I finish this lobster."
- I do remember it as if it were yesterday,
you know, 'cause that was--
That moment, in my head too,
I was like, "All right, that's it.
"I'm done. Show's over.
We'll both go our separate ways."
Like, he didn't care for me.
I was like, why would I be married to someone
that doesn't care for me?
It sucked. I was like,
"Damn, like, I got fooled again."
You know, someone who treats you
like you're the goddess of this Earth,
and then, all of a sudden, they don't care for you.
- I hear you. - Yeah.
- Jose, kudos to you for coming around
and seeing this in a different light
and understanding your part in this.
Honestly, kudos.
And this argument, I think, in many ways,
helped you have other tough discussions
that led to making your marriage stronger.
Would you say that this moment actually, even though--
Once you got over the hump, it made your marriage stronger?
- Absolutely, yeah.
After that, I don't know, I felt
just more--more confident
in really expressing all my thoughts.
You know, like, we can't let things linger.
I think that was the proof of,
this is what happens when you let things linger.
- We--we needed those obstacles to reveal,
hey, this is what a true marriage embodies
in regards to--it's not all gonna be puppies and rainbows.
And every day is, you know,
an opportunity for us to continue growing together.
- I'm gonna tell you something: I love the way
you guys have worked through your issues
and the way everything came back together
on Decision Day.
I mean, you were in a strong place,
and I think everybody was happy.
I mean, you became one of the couples
that we're like, "Okay, got one right."
[laughter]
Now, ultimately, on Decision Day,
you two decided to stay married,
which is fantastic.
What's happened since then? Are you still together?
♪ ♪
- Well...
♪ ♪
We did break up.
♪ ♪
- What do you mean you broke up?
♪ ♪
- Uh...
♪ ♪
- So are you still broken up?
♪ ♪
- We're, uh--we're working on things right now.
It was difficult once the cameras turned off.
We did move in, and we got very complacent to a certain degree.
- Yeah. - And, um...
we took a little bit of a break.
- How long a break? - About a month.
- A whole month. - Yeah, three or four weeks.
- Wow. - Yeah.
And we're actively working on it,
and so it's progressively getting better day-by-day--
- Yeah. - As we move forward.
- I--it feels more like
we just had to do a quick reset.
We did so well in the neutral apartment
and, you know, with the experts and everything,
but we kind of--like he said, we got comfortable
and our emotional connection kind of deteriorated a bit.
- Was there a specific moment or a fight or a thing
that made you take this pause?
- It accumulated.
The whole moving in thing
and adjusting, you know, outside of the experiment
kind of caused a lot of arguments.
And I felt instead of being helpful
and making me feel more at home,
you know, he did mention a lot, "You have too much stuff.
When are you gonna unpack your stuff?"
He got a little impatient with me
when it came to moving in my stuff,
so I didn't feel like it was our home.
It was kind of like, "You know what?
I don't want this to be my marriage,"
and so I decided to leave.
- So wait. You moved out?
- Yeah, even though we are married.
That's still something we're working through.
Are we gonna stay married?
[dramatic musical sting]
- So where are you living now?
- I went back to my mom's house.
- Oh, wow. - Yeah.
- Were you planning on going back,
or were you like, "I'm done"?
- I thought that was it.
- Jose, when she moved out,
did you think it was over for good?
- For me, once it happened, it was like,
"Okay, wow, this is probably, you know, the end of it."
But I knew that at the end of the day,
I was still gonna try to do everything that I could
to--to make the marriage work
'cause this is the woman that I wanted to be married to.
And so when you get into something
as crazy as this experiment is,
um, there is no dating involved.
It's just straight-- You're married, and you have
to work on it, and you have eight weeks to make a decision.
- So you two are working on this
to better your marriage, or are you working on this
that you still could get divorced?
- Um, I think we're getting closer of
making it to better our marriage.
- Mm-hmm. - Just because I was done.
At that moment, I was done, and he's like,
"Look, let me just take you out."
And I told him, "You can take me out,
but I--like, the spark's not there for me anymore."
I was just feeling so exhausted
from the constant bickering and arguing.
But now, we talk on the phone every night for hours,
spending time together,
getting to know each other even more.
And that's what we needed.
I--I do see something long-term,
but I just--I feel like I need to be really, really sure.
- Do you want her home?
- Her, not her stuff-- No, I'm just kidding.
Yes. She comes with the stuff. - There you go!
There you go. - Yeah.
It's--it's a larger, empty home, so absolutely.
Yeah. - All my things? All?
- All your things. Through sickness and in health.
[laughter] - Mm.
Did Summer Rachel have anything to do with the breakup?
- Summer Rachel didn't help, for sure.
Summer Rachel, she's got a lot of free time.
[laughs] - Okay.
- She gets bored easily.
Brace yourself.
♪ ♪
I had a lot of trips.
And Summer Rachel went-- Went ham this summer.
- There's Summer Rachel, I'm telling you.
- Summer Rachel making those trips.
- But I don't want it to be Summer Rachel.
I want it to be both of us.
I want it to be Summer Rosé. [laughter]
- Um, Jose, did that open your eyes to the point
of maybe you need to come off of some of those dollars
and go ahead and spend some money on some trips?
- My dream, dream trip right now
is Switzerland.
- The--I think the biggest thing that just comes to mind
is, it's a lot of money.
I want to set the record straight on that too.
If I want to go on a trip
and I--you know, I got the means to do so,
she knows that I was gonna put us in,
like, a $1,400 hotel with a little, nice--
So I'm not gonna be cheap, by any means, on any vacations.
- Before we broke up, we had booked a trip to Mexico.
We were gonna have, like, our second honeymoon,
you know, after Decision Day.
And yeah, you wanted to spend a lot of money on the hotel.
And I'm kind of thinking, like, no.
Like, no. Like, cheaper.
When it comes to traveling, that's when I'm on a budget
because I want to do it often.
And I realize when you travel, you go all out.
So now, it's kind of like, there, we have to compromise.
- Is this one of the things that you feel like
you are starting to give your wife,
that you're compromising on
so that you can make your relationship work?
- Oh, for sure.
There's already a couple of other trips
that we've already booked as well, too,
and so it's just one of these things--
- Oh, look at you. You're travel daddy now.
Okay, I see you. Okay.
Jose's being a little flexible.
- Yes! - I like that.
All right, I have a never-before-seen clip
I want to play of Rachel talking to her friend.
Now, Jose, you might be a little surprised to hear
that Rachel didn't really know what you do for a living.
- [laughs] - Just watch.
- I like that he is passionate about what he's doing.
- What does he do? - Good question.
[laughter]
So what's so funny, it's like, he asked me
and he--you know, he talked forever.
- Yeah. - And I was like, "Okay.
That's awesome. That's interesting."
And then, like, a couple days later,
I'm like, "I don't think I quite understand,"
so I'd have to ask him again, like--
- Oh, okay. - "Wait, what is it you do?"
And he would explain it all again to me.
So he works at the Space Center.
- Okay. - Okay?
And he is...
his official title--he says, like, mission specialist...
- Mm-hmm.
- There's another word in there.
Mission specialist something.
You know, he doesn't go into space.
I know that. - Okay, but what does he do?
- But I do know what he does. - Yeah?
- Okay, so the astronauts have space suits.
- Okay, okay.
- He kind of, like, customizes them.
Every suit has a million little pieces that go into it.
And it's very interesting. - Okay.
- I'm sure, as time goes on,
I will understand it more and more,
but it's literally, like, rocket science for me.
- [laughs]
- Rachel, I will give you an opportunity now.
What does Jose do? [laughter]
- Okay, so mission flight specialist.
[bell dings] Right?
[laughs]
So the astronauts do have their space suits,
and these space suits are made with many individual parts.
He has to make sure it's the right piece
that goes to the right astronaut.
He gives presentations on, if that particular piece
went up into space with that astronaut,
how many hours was it used
just to make sure the right piece gets to the right person
on a mission.
♪ ♪
- How'd she do, Jose? - I think she did a great job.
That's pretty much-- Yeah, that's--yeah.
Yeah, she did good. - Gold star.
- You know, right around Decision Day, Rachel,
you said that you couldn't have dreamt up
a better man to have been married to.
- Jose is my soul mate.
He's everything I needed.
I want to grab one.
I got it! I got it! - Yeah!
- I got it! I got it! - Okay.
- I love when Jose kisses and hugs me.
He always makes me feel like
I'm the only girl in the world.
- How do you feel now?
- I still feel that way
'cause even when we were broken up,
I'm like, "All right, Rachel, dream up this guy again.
What does he look like? What does he have?"
And I'm like, "I'm describing Jose.
"Literally, he's right there, and he wants to work on things,
"he wants to get back with you.
You know, like, just really give it a real shot."
I do love him.
You know, I do want to be with him,
and that's why it's easier to now move forward.
- You just said you-- You love Jose.
Jose, do you love Rachel? - Absolutely.
Yeah. - Aww.
- So you're headed down the right--the right path?
- It's definitely forward.
We're definitely moving forward.
I have a good feeling we're gonna get through this.
- Listen, you guys are gonna sit down with the experts
a little bit later, but from here on in,
I just wish you lots of love, happiness, and lots of trips.
- [laughs]
Now, we're breaking down everything that happened
on this roller coaster of a season,
and we're just getting started.
This next couple had a hard time connecting
on a romantic level, and as the days went by,
they became more like roommates more than husband and wife.
Let's welcome Brett and Ryan.
Hey. How are y'all doing?
- Great, Kevin. - Hey, Kevin.
- When it came to Decision Day,
I don't think anybody was surprised
when you two said, "We're out of here."
- What?
- You're still broken up, correct?
- Yes. - Accurate.
- Okay. Wanted to make sure.
Have you kept in touch?
- We've talked very seldomly to this point.
I don't have any issues being around Brett.
I don't think she has issues being around me.
- No. - We have our lives.
And they're busy lives. - They are, yeah.
- No bad blood? - No bad blood.
- You're happy and you're just moving on?
- Yes. - All right.
Can we go back to the beginning, though, first?
Because you guys had a pretty good first week
on the honeymoon, and it seemed like it was all
hugs and kisses, there was potential.
- It hasn't been that long,
but, like, I want to be around you.
- I'm happy where we are.
I'm happy the direction we're trending.
I feel really good about it.
You know, I-- - I--I needed that.
[sentimental music]
- Ryan, you seemed kind of smitten with your new wife.
Was that all smoke and mirrors,
or were you really-- You were there?
- It was not real life yet.
We were-- - Yeah.
- We were still just enjoying everything
and not having a lot of difficult stuff to deal with.
The--the honeymoon was easy.
The wedding was incredible.
The issues that we had came later on.
- Let's talk about some of those issues.
Brett, people kept telling you you weren't Ryan's type.
Did that begin to weigh on you and upset you?
- It's not fun to hear it that many times.
And there's nothing I could do to change being someone's type,
but I don't think it affected me
or hurt me in any way.
- Mm-hmm. Uh, let's talk about another issue.
Brett, you also felt that,
like, Ryan was keeping things from you,
that he wasn't being as open as he could be.
He was sharing with everybody but you.
- Yeah, yeah. - His wife.
Ryan also felt that he was trying to protect you
by not being 100% honest. - Right.
- Do you see that in this situation?
- No, I definitely have always felt that from him.
I know that that's likely the reason.
You're gonna hurt someone's feelings regardless
if you have to tell them something that you don't like.
It's just prolonging it.
Just, like, rip off the Band-Aid kind of thing.
Just, like, say what you got to say.
- You were like, "Just give it to me straight."
- Kind of, yeah. Yeah. - No chaser, right? Yeah.
Ryan, do you regret that? - I do.
I could have went about things a lot different
as far as communication.
And she's right that, at the end of the day,
it's inevitably gonna still hurt that person,
whether it's initially or--or drawn out.
- Have you learned from this? - Oh, yeah.
- Will you be a better communicator in the future?
- Absolutely.
- Brett, did you see any growth in him
during this process?
[dramatic musical sting]
Okay. That was a great answer.
That answer said it all right there.
Ryan, what did you learn about yourself through this process?
- I've been so quick in relationships
to jump into the physical side of it,
and I learned that-- Well, I've always known
that there's obviously emotions that come with that.
I just didn't always consider those emotions
for the other person, and that was--
- You acted like a guy. It's okay.
- Yeah. Yeah, and that's something
that I really was mindful of in our relationship,
was I didn't want to push that issue,
have that agenda when we emotionally weren't there.
That's one thing I learned, that I can be patient
when it comes to that.
- Brett, what about you? What did you learn?
- I think that
going through a relationship that you didn't choose,
you know, you didn't choose based on,
"Oh, that guy's cute and I'm gonna go give him my number,"
or like, "Oh, we both have this in common.
I'm gonna--I want to date you,"
being faced with a lot of differences on the surface,
and that kind of taught me that
I think I can be more open-minded
than I originally thought
when it comes to who I date or who I spend time with.
And I think going forward, you know,
we can expand the horizons a little bit.
- Do you think that if you could rewind, Ryan,
there were some things you'd do differently?
- If I could do it all over again,
I would be more open with her
and have the tough conversations that
neither of us wanted to have.
- We have someone here who is a big part of Ryan's life:
Ryan's sister, Alexa.
Alexa, come on out and join us.
♪ ♪
- Welcome. - Hey, girl, hey.
- How are y'all? - Alexa, how are you doing?
- I'm good. How are you?
- I'm fantastic.
Alexa, did you think that Brett was the right girl?
Because there was a point where you--you really felt
like she could be the one.
- We loved Brett. She fit in so well.
We thought maybe this one was different.
- Is it possible that she was "the type"?
Like, his type, now,
that whole thing is out the window
and he sees that someone who wasn't his type
could've been his type?
- Ryan could use a girl like her, absolutely,
to put him in check.
I mean, he needs that. She's strong.
She's independent.
And I wish it would've worked, yeah.
- All right. Let's be real here.
Alexa, you may have overstepped your bounds just a little bit
when you divulged some information to Brett.
Let's watch this. - Uh-oh.
The--the hovering topic is, I'm not his type,
to which I always say, "You're not mine either."
- Mm-hmm. - And that's okay, for me.
Because I think there's a lot of things on the surface
we don't have in common when you look at us,
but I think there's a lot of things underneath
that we do have in common. - Mm-hmm.
- And I need to get to know him.
Like, I want to know everything about him,
but it's like-- - Like pulling teeth.
- I don't know how to. - Mm-hmm.
What worries me is that-- It was when he came back here
is when things shifted, and it makes me wonder
if maybe his head is focused on the past.
♪ ♪
Like, maybe being back here
maybe brings back feelings of someone that he likes.
♪ ♪
Knowing him and living with him for so long
makes me think that he's distracted somewhere.
- Really?
♪ ♪
- Mm. - Mm.
- Ryan, your sister threw you under the bus there
a little bit. [laughter]
- No, I mean-- - Were you surprised?
- I mean, I can understand why she would say that.
She--she did live with me for four years,
so, I mean, she--she saw that happen firsthand in the past.
So, again, I probably could've been more open
with my sister as well on a lot of stuff.
Communication that wasn't had
leading to assumptions of the past.
- Mm-hmm. Yeah, especially to your new wife, though.
It's like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa.
"I just got married to this woman.
Easy. Give me a second."
- Well, as soon as they were done with that conversation,
she had texted me and...
and kind of came at me pretty hard.
And I was like, "What are you talking about?"
- We talked about it after too.
- Yeah. - Yeah.
- Alexa, you seemed to feel for Brett at the time.
Do you regret making that assumption about your brother?
- I regret making that assumption.
He doesn't have a glamorous dating past.
So this is just what has happened previously,
and I just went off of that,
and that was my gut feeling at the time.
But yes, I do regret it.
- And do you feel like, at that time,
you--you felt for Brett?
- Yeah, I absolutely did. Yeah.
- Did that change, though?
- [chuckles nervously]
It changed a little bit, yeah. [dramatic musical sting]
- Why?
- It changed because I found out
that she was seeing someone
and was telling me to my face that Ryan was distracted
when she was actually the one distracted.
♪ ♪
- Brett, is this true?
♪ ♪
- Uh...
No.
- No? - No.
- She's still seeing him. I mean--
- I'm not seeing anybody.
- Brett you met someone, or--
- Yeah, I did meet somebody, but I didn't pursue anything
with them until everything was said and done,
and that's also a situation that's done.
- Ryan, what do you think about this?
- Yeah, I mean, it is what it is.
I--I wish it's something that we could've talked about
'cause whether that was actively being pursued or not,
I know that it carried on throughout--past Decision Day,
and, I mean, it's just something
that we could've touched on.
No? It didn't?
- Well...
there's facts, and there's rumors, so...
- Brett, are these rumors, or are these facts? What--
- The fact--the fact is that I met someone
and exchanged numbers.
That's the fact.
That's it.
- Was it before or after Decision Day?
- Before.
- And did you all actively stay in touch?
- Mm, maybe here and there.
- Would you say it distracted you from your marriage?
- No.
- No? - No.
- Ryan, do you believe Brett now
that this wasn't a distraction?
♪ ♪
- [sighs]
I mean, I've--I've literally seen conversations.
- What do you mean?
- There's more to it than a friendship
that was being developed.
Whether it's happening now, I don't know,
but there was more than just friends exchanging numbers,
even the night they met.
- There was some kind of interaction with that person?
- Yeah. - Yeah.
That was not fun to hear,
and then it was kind of validated
from other sources.
- All right. Alexa, what's your take on all of this?
- My take is that it was a full-blown relationship.
I--I heard that you were getting home really late
the next couple days after you met him,
and it just seems like
it was more than you're letting on.
- I mean, everyone's entitled to feel or think how they want
about it, you know?
- I don't think it had any effect
on our relationship, but yeah,
it's just tough after going through the dating app thing
and then how that kind of sprung on me.
- I got a text from a friend, like, ten minutes ago
that showed that you are on a dating app.
♪ ♪
I mean, she said that y'all matched today.
We got, like, one week left, man.
You could've waited.
- Then hearing this after the fact,
a few weeks later, and, like, damn.
- I get what you're saying.
- Brett, was it fair to get on him, though,
knowing that you had met someone?
- Um, I--I don't know that I would say
that there was interest at that point.
- You're not dating now? - No, I'm not dating anybody.
- Okay. There's nobody else out there?
- No. - No?
- Well, there's someone out there.
- Yes. - We just don't know him yet.
- Right. You haven't met him yet.
- That's right. - And he's out there.
- That's right. - It's hard.
It's hard, sure, and everybody goes into this
thinking that, "Hey, we want a marriage that will work."
And as things fall apart, it gets tough,
and it can get messy sometimes.
Look, it is part of the experiment.
What's your advice for your brother moving forward?
[laughter]
- Oh, man.
My advice would be to speak up.
- Yep.
- Say what's on your mind.
Don't run to your friends and your family
and tell them what's going on with your relationship,
but knock it out right from the start.
- Is he ready for marriage?
- Oh, he's ready for marriage, yes.
It's just gonna take the right person.
- Alexa, thank you for being here.
I mean, we appreciate you coming out.
And take care of your brother, please.
- Oh, I'm gonna try. He's a lot.
- He's gonna need the help. - He's a lot.
- All right, thanks so much, Alexa.
- All right, thank you. Bye. Bye, guys.
- See ya. - Bye.
- Ryan, do you think you're ready for marriage?
- I've been ready for marriage
for, I would say, several years now.
Never more true than today.
I would love nothing more than to meet...
that person.
- Brett, are you ready for marriage?
- 100%. - Yeah?
- Been ready, was ready, still ready.
- Brett, do you think if Ryan had been more invested,
that this relationship could've worked?
- I don't know.
- Wait, that's a pretty simple yes-or-no question.
If he had been more invested-- - I mean,
my gut says no.
- Yeah, no matter how long we stuck it out,
I think it would've inevitably been the same results
'cause we are-- We do have big differences.
- Yeah.
- Like to the core, big differences.
I think the world of Brett, but I just don't think
that we were right for one another.
- What has been the toughest thing since Decision Day?
- 100%, the toughest thing is
coming back to my empty apartment.
Without my dog, you know? Both: Yeah.
- Like, I still have, like, phantom--
Like, when the doorbell rings, I'm like, "Don't bark,"
and then I'm like, he's not there.
It's hard. It's hard to get used to that.
But it feels good to go back to normal life.
It feels good to kind of, like,
remember who you are outside of this bubble
and, like, be normal again, you know?
And that's--that's been good.
- Is there a puppy, maybe a new dog in your life coming up?
- [sighs] You know, I want to,
but I don't think I have time right now.
It might have to wait until next summer.
- Do you guys-- Now that you look back on this,
is it easier to walk through the little steps,
as you look back at the steps, and say,
"Doggone it. That was the wrong thing"?
'Cause you're talking so calmly
about all these issues that happened.
- I think--and you can correct me if I'm wrong--
I think when you--you date someone, you fall for them,
and then you have a breakup or a blowout,
there's a lot of, like, emotion and feelings and contention
and "you did this" and "you did that,"
and we never really got to that point in the first place.
We never, like, emotionally, deeply connected.
Like, we never got to that point.
So for us to, like, call it quits
on something that never really, like, got there,
there's--there's, like, not a reason to have,
like, animosity or, like, arguments over this and that
because we're both just like, "This is what happened
and it didn't work out, so okay."
I know we're both disappointed that it didn't, like,
turn into what we both wanted
'cause we both signed up to do the same thing
and to get married and to have a family and all of that,
but I think when, you know,
you're still in that beginning stage
and then it kind of ends,
it is easier to deal with because--
- And I feel like we had, like, a multiple-week breakup,
that it wasn't, like, a--
- That's true. It was a slow--
A slow breakup. - Mm-hmm.
Do you see you guys crossing paths
and talking and being friends?
Both: Yeah. - We're definitely friends.
I mean, you don't--
Like, I feel like we're, like, war buddies.
You know, it's like we kinda went through this really...
stressful, like, transformative,
reflective, like, fun, crazy thing together,
so, like, of course we're gonna be friends.
You know, I mean, it's just-- It's the nature of it.
- Yeah. - What a healthy divorce, wow.
- America, this is how it can be.
- Mm-hmm. - Mm-hmm.
- Ain't that the truth.
Thank you for sitting down and talking to us.
- Thank you. - It's great to see you again.
And we'll talk more a little bit later, okay?
- You got it. - All right. Thanks, y'all.
Now, this next couple had a slow build,
but they were both committed to their marriage
and stuck with it as they got to know each other,
forming a solid foundation.
It took a while, a long while,
but everyone was so excited
when they finally had that first kiss.
Let's say hello to Myrla and Gil.
Oh, wow, y'all look like you just came off
a magazine shoot or something.
I see you, Gil.
What are you wearing, Gil?
- You know, just a little something.
- And Myrla, you also look phenomenal.
Did you convert Gil over to the dark side?
- I mean--
- Turned him into a fashion player?
- You know.
- Gil, are those red bottom shoes?
- Um, you tell me.
- Wow, bro. Wow. [laughter]
Wow. - He went all the way.
- Just a little something. Just a little something.
- He went all the way to this side.
- Mmm. I love it, Gil. I love it.
How are you guys doing? How are you feeling?
Gil, how are you feeling?
- For the most part, I'm feeling pretty good.
- Myrla, how about you? - I feel fabulous.
- I know you-- - That's what I say every day.
- Those boots are fabulous, right?
Look, you guys really exemplify the roles
of husband and wife.
From the moment you said "I do,"
you both admittedly had a lot of differences,
but you worked as a team to get to know each other,
find common interests, and make each other happy...
eventually.
- What do we have here?
- [giggles]
- Somebody's trying to be romantic.
- I am so thankful, grateful, happy
that I decided to get married at first sight.
He makes me laugh every day.
He brings me joy.
It is so cute! - You like that?
- And the fact that he's just,
you know, everything that I wanted and more
is just a dream come true.
[upbeat music]
- It was refreshing to watch your progression as a couple
and your connection grow day-to-day.
Is this how you envisioned the process?
- I don't know.
I mean, I don't think that you can envision
anything that you haven't experienced before.
And so when you're in it,
you just got to go with what you feel, so...
- Um, for me, I don't know.
I don't--I didn't envision it to go the way it went,
but I was ready for it to be a slow process.
- Mm-hmm. - And I got
even a slower process than that.
[laughter] - Yeah, you did.
- But I was prepared for that.
You know, it was one of those things
where I felt like, you know, this is marriage.
This is something that I want for 30, 40, 50, 60 years,
so I was willing to buckle down and take it on.
- Can we go back to your wedding day?
You envisioned kissing your wife, right?
- Absolutely.
- Gil, you may kiss your Myrla.
♪ ♪
[laughter]
[in Spanish]
♪ ♪
- No, sir.
- [chuckles]
- I'm sorry. We're gonna be conservative.
- So a kiss on the cheek?
- Yeah. - Okay.
I obviously envisioned myself
just giving her a nice, big kiss,
but I completely understand we're strangers.
- Okay, but look, she threw you the cheek.
On a scale of one to ten, how did you feel?
- On a scale of one to ten, I'll be honest,
I felt like a one
because whether it's tongue or no tongue,
I was gonna give her a kiss,
but I respect that she--
You know, she probably didn't want that.
It's one of those things where, you know,
if I give her a peck now, it's fine because I know later,
if things go well, I'll get the kiss that I want.
- You didn't know how much later it was gonna be, though,
did you? - Absolutely.
- No, you had no idea. - You're right about that.
- He sure didn't. [laughter]
- How long were you prepared to hold things up?
- Until death do-- No, I'm kidding.
[laughter]
- Gil, you poke fun at Myrla a lot.
You also said she was a little bit of a Debbie downer.
Do you think she ever crossed the line,
or did you ever cross the line with your kidding?
- No, I don't think so.
I poked a lot of fun with her, but for me,
if I'm poking fun at you, it's because I like you.
- Myrla, were you ever bothered by his ribbing, his poking?
- I was because it's not something
that I've ever experienced in a relationship.
I mean, I don't really know what to do with it,
and if you don't like it, it's like,
"I mean, I guess this is just the way that person is."
- Is this your first time hearing this, Gil?
- Absolutely. First time hearing it.
- Why didn't you tell him this, Myrla?
- I think, in my own way, my way of saying it was like,
"I'm not," like telling you I'm not high-maintenance,
'cause I did say that, right? - Yeah.
- Like, "I'm not a diva,"
because I have never been described
as high-maintenance or a diva
by anyone that I've dated before.
- But if the people that you've dated have been like you,
and you said yes-- - Yeah, they've been like me.
- So they're also divas and high-maintenance,
so obviously, they won't describe you as that
because they're that.
- In your definition, though.
- No, no, no, no, no. - You perceive me to be--
- They're that.
They're you. You've dated yourself.
But-- - Agree to disagree.
- Okay.
- Can I tell you something, Gil?
I'ma put you on my Mount Rushmore
of "Married at First Sight," man,
'cause, Gil, you worked hard for Myrla's love and affection.
Can I show y'all a clip from the honeymoon
that didn't make the show?
Watch this. - [sighs]
♪ ♪
- Just so you know,
we have a little massage set up.
- Oh, my God. - But the twist part is...
I'm the masseuse.
[laughs]
♪ ♪
How are we feeling so far?
- I look pretty miserable, right?
It's a little weird getting massaged by my husband.
- Are you uncomfortable? - Pretty much.
- Yeah? - Mm-hmm.
- So you don't consider this bonding?
- Mm, no. I consider this, like, work.
- Okay.
- Why in the world were you so uncomfortable?
- It was, like, 95 degrees,
I was in the sun,
and, like, I had been very clear in communicating,
like, I wanted to take things slow
when it came to physical touch. - Mm-hmm.
Okay, but even after the honeymoon,
it was a long time before-- - Oh, absolutely.
- Myrla, you could be intimate at all with Gil
or even kiss him on the mouth.
- Absolutely.
You can't tell me that you want to be with me,
you like me, you want to have kids with me,
and not kiss me.
♪ ♪
I still feel like if that happens,
I will ask for a divorce.
- I want to make sure that I have, like, genuine feelings
to make the next move.
- Is this a normal thing for most of your relationships?
- I mean, I think I expressed that from the very beginning.
Usually, I like to have a strong foundation
of communication and trust.
For me, that's important.
The physical comes later.
And, I mean, I don't ever feel, like, a sense of urgency
to get to the physical, get to the physical.
- But once you get to know someone,
because you told Dr. Pepper during the matchmaking,
you are a very sexual person.
- On a scale from one to ten, how important is sex?
- Ten.
- How often would you want to have sex?
- Probably as often as possible.
- So that's once you get to know someone first.
- Yeah, once I get to know someone,
then physical intimacy, for me,
is, like, something that's really important.
- Gil, you worked your butt off, right?
- Of course.
- But did it feel like it was worth it?
♪ ♪
- At the end of the day, I know what I wanted.
I told myself, no matter what,
I'm gonna be patient throughout this whole process
because she wanted it
and I know, for a fact, I wanted it.
- Now look, so last we saw you was on Decision Day,
and we heard you had consummated the marriage.
And also, we found out
that, Gil, you had told Myrla you loved her
and it was beautiful.
- I really enjoy just being with you every day
and being, like, the first person that I get to talk to.
I want to stay married to my husband.
- I can sit here and tell you that I'm in love with you.
I want to stay married.
♪ ♪
- It seemed like everything was moving forward
and everything's been great.
So what's been going on since then,
because you moved in together, correct?
How are things now?
- So, um...
♪ ♪
Unfortunately,
since Decision Day, um...
♪ ♪
We have not been together.
- What?
- [sighs]
♪ ♪
- Yeah. - Get out of here!
- Um-- - What is going on?
- [sighs] All right.
So 14 days after Decision Day,
Myrla decided she didn't want to be with me anymore.
- Myrla, I saw you with Dr. Pepper.
- I think I knew I would be happy in marriage, but...
♪ ♪
I didn't think that, you know,
I would get everything I wanted and more in marriage.
- What made you then turn around and say,
"I don't want to be with him"?
- I don't think there's, like, an easy answer to that.
I think, for me, it was a variety of things, right?
- What are the sequence of events
that led to you breaking up your marriage?
I think, for me, it was just acknowledging
that we were just so different.
The things that I had said were non-negotiables for me
were really important to me, and, like--
- And those are?
- For me, it's like, financial stability
was really important for me.
- Well, hold on. Gil, you have a job, right?
It has a pension. - Amazing pension.
I make $100 more every two weeks than she makes.
- Is it not enough money?
- I think, for me, it's not even about enough money.
I think, for me, the initial, like, attraction
and, like, chemistry was not there from the beginning.
[dramatic musical sting]
I realized, like, I was not happy.
- There was never an attraction?
- I think there was attraction that eventually came,
but for me, there has to be more,
and I didn't think that was fair to me or to him.
When you don't have that chemistry,
that, like, fire--
Like, you can't force someone to have that, Kevin.
I mean, there's a ton of attractive women
and men everywhere. - I agree.
- And it's like, if you're just not happy,
should I continue to not be happy?
- I get it. - He's an amazing person.
I mean, he's handsome, everything,
but we are just not for each other.
- Okay. Gil, is this the first time--
Is this the first time you're hearing this?
- This is the second time I'm hearing it.
The first time I heard it
was the day that she decided not to be with me.
The biggest issue I have with all of this
was that she felt like this from the very beginning.
I was blindsided
because everything about our relationship
was based on communication.
I completely understand if she's not attracted to me,
she doesn't think I'm the man for her.
Hey, look, I don't want to force anybody to be with me
if they don't want to be with me,
but if you feel like that,
why not speak to me about it?
- Be--
- So I can take a step back and go from there.
- How do you know that that's how you would've reacted?
- We talked about Decision Day before Decision Day came.
- Yeah. - We talked about
what we wanted from each other.
We both decided that we were gonna stay together.
I sold everything that I owned.
The only thing I kept was my blender,
my clothes, and my dog.
♪ ♪
For me, it came out of nowhere.
She said, "Hey, I don't find you attractive.
I'm not happy."
And being the hopeless romantic,
in my head, I'm like, "Hey, you know, we might turn around,
this, that, and the other."
My dumb ass decided I'm gonna stay with her
until the time being.
And so we stayed together for about a month
until she decided,
"Hey, you know what? I want to move out."
And so she was gonna move out, but then I was like,
"You know what? I'm gonna move out."
So literally, two to three days later, I moved out.
- Myrla, a lot to unpack there.
- I'm not even gonna acknowledge that
because that's, like--
- Did you not tell me that? - No.
- Okay, so I'm telling you this--
- You know what?
I'm not gonna go back and forth.
- That's fine. We all remember
different things during different stuff,
and I would not ever make that up.
- Okay. - I guess I'm not--
I don't have enough money.
- That's you projecting your insecurities onto me.
- Insecurities?
- I'm not gonna go back and forth with you.
Like, I'm just not going to. - That's fine.
- I--I mean, I think I'm still processing the shock
a little bit to understand it all.
But how do you feel about him now?
- I did what I felt was best for him.
I did not think that it was healthy
for you to be around me.
I told you that. - Mm-hmm.
- Like, he didn't look happy. - I understand.
- He didn't look happy. I was living with you.
Like, it was uncomfortable, we weren't happy.
I could tell you were definitely not happy.
I care about you. I want you to be good.
And he deserves all the happiness in the world,
and I want him to be happy in life.
I don't want him to not be happy, and miserable.
- Was there ever a time that you were in love with Gil
or heavy-like with Gil, or--
- There was not a time that I was in love,
and I was very clear about that up until Decision Day.
I know what love is. I've loved someone before.
And so-- - And you didn't love Gil?
♪ ♪
- I did not. [dramatic musical sting]
And I was honest with you, too, about that.
I never said "I love you"
because I didn't want to be dis-ingenuine.
Like, I said, "I like you,
"but I don't feel those feelings yet.
And so I'm not gonna say them until I feel them."
- Let me ask you this: Gil, are you still in love with her?
[dramatic musical sting]
Are you still in love with Myrla?
- Absolutely.
♪ ♪
For me to sit here and say I'm not in love with her,
I would be lying,
so obviously, I'm still in love with my wife.
- Let me ask you this: if Myrla today said
she wanted to get back together,
would you want to get back together?
- [sighs]
♪ ♪
My heart says yes.
My brain says... yes as well,
but kind of, like, precaution,
because at the end of the day,
I want somebody that wants to be with me.
- Gil, let me just say this to you:
I've heard that woman,
I'm looking at that woman right now.
She does not want you.
And am I speaking out of turn, Myrla?
- I do not want to be married to him.
And that's not-- That's not any insinuation
of who he is as a person.
It's just sometimes, it doesn't work.
He deserves a woman who wants to love him and be with him
and all the greatness that he is, period.
- Um, how have you been doing since this, Gil?
- I'm gonna be 100% honest. It's--it's been tough.
This was very hard because it's something I really wanted,
and it's something that I thought was good
until it wasn't.
There wasn't, "All right. Can I fix it?
Can I do this? Can I do that?"
It was, "No, I don't want to be with you.
It's over. That's a wrap, period."
- So have you begun to heal?
- As of today,
I'm gonna say no.
I've had a hard time with the breakup,
not only because I believe that I was meant to be with her,
but because I love her.
And love is something that you can't just shoo away
the next day.
It's been hard. I've been going to therapy.
I've never had an issue with rejection.
For me, it's like, you know,
I talk to a girl, she doesn't like me,
okay, move on to the next one.
- Yeah, but this is different. This was your wife.
- It's 100% different.
I wanted it so much,
I was willing to do whatever.
- Well, let me ask this:
Myrla, how have you been since the breakup?
- I mean, I've been okay.
[dramatic musical sting]
Life goes on. You know, I'm doing okay.
♪ ♪
- Have you begun to date again?
- Nope.
- Will you begin to date again?
- I think at some point, I will, but not at the moment.
- Gil, how about you?
- I just want somebody that wants me.
You know, at the end of the day,
the reason why I came on this show is because
I wanted truly to be married.
- Gil, trust me when I tell you,
there's a long line.
Trust me when I tell you, bruh. - A lot.
- I understand the heartache and the hurt,
but there's a long line.
Listen, I think everybody is a little surprised,
a little flabbergasted at how this ended,
and, um, I'm literally shocked.
We know a little bit later
that you're gonna talk to the experts,
and you can say what's on your mind.
So thanks for being so open
and discussing these hard times.
I hope things truly do get better for both of you.
Thanks a lot, Gil and Myrla.
- Appreciate that, Kev. - Thanks, y'all.
All right. Don't go away.
I'm here talking to all of the guys
from the Houston cast.
And now, we're gonna get a chance to get
the guys' side of the story.
Gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen,
welcome, welcome, welcome. How are you?
- Good. - Good.
- Yeah?
- So far so good. - Fantastic.
First of all, right off the bat,
did you guys think that having each other
made it easier going through this experience?
- Uh, it definitely made me more mentally strong.
I'm really glad that I've gone through it with these guys
for sure. - We look out for each other.
It's, um--there's no animosity between none of us.
And, you know, we all like each other.
- Ryan, how about you?
- It's a great group of guys, like Gil said.
And we genuinely do like each other,
and it's--it's been a great experience.
- All right, Jose, dying to know your first impressions
of Gil when you saw him at the bachelor party
up on that stripper pole.
- Gil, twirl! Go got it, yes!
- Ah! I'm learning.
- Boy's wild, man. That boy's wild.
♪ ♪
- Gil is a party animal
- Yeah, they're ripped. Right at the crotch.
- Again!
- I--I mean, I didn't know he was gonna rip his pants,
but that boy's wild.
[laughter]
- I have to say that this season,
there were a lot of tears.
Mostly from Zack and Johnny,
and I'm not knocking y'all for that.
I am not knocking a sensitive man out here.
I appreciate them. Let's take a look.
- I thought I was ready when I agreed to get--get married.
But maybe I wasn't ready.
♪ ♪
- I just wanted this so bad, and like,
[bleep], like, this just never works out, man, like--
♪ ♪
I don't need none of this [bleep].
- Why are you getting mad?
[tense music]
♪ ♪
- I'm a perfectionist, and so, like--
And so I put that on other people,
including my, like...
♪ ♪
My wife, and it's not fair.
♪ ♪
- Zack, what was it like watching that back?
- I love it, man.
I think it's really cool that...
I was able just to be emotionally vulnerable.
I'm glad I did it.
- Johnny, I know times were tough,
but it's marriage.
Why'd you leave?
[laughter] - There you go.
That was the perfect answer. - The very first night.
- Yeah.
I feel like I can tell when an argument is
not going anywhere, and I like to,
in those moments, take a minute.
And sometimes it is, like in that last clip,
God, run outside on the balcony
and just, like, yell a little bit.
Because I don't want to direct that towards my wife.
There--there's a difference between, like,
walking away from an argument and taking a break.
And I felt like every time I was trying to take a break
with Bao, she would make it seem like I was
walking away from the conversation,
which isn't what I was trying to do.
- Ryan, you even left for a few days.
- I did. We had a little argument.
I just think that I need a--a reset.
And that reset... [sighs]
Is probably more beneficial--
It's probably more realistic at my house at this point.
I do want to take that time and just...
♪ ♪
Kinda reflect on everything.
But we still--I mean, we stayed in communication throughout.
It wasn't like I vanished for two days.
Like, we communicated.
I just needed my bed. I needed sleep, man.
- Yeah.
- Gil, you were the only one who never left.
And didn't get angry. - Man.
- Any advice?
Or should you have left at some point?
- Um, there was moments where I did want to leave,
but I told myself, "This is marriage.
"I want this to work.
"Therefore, I need to swallow my pride,
"whatever it is, stay right there,
"talk it through, and, um, you know,
live to fight another day," so that's how I took it.
- Gil, no one had more patience than you this season.
I want to pause for a second
and look at some of your trying moments.
Take a look.
- I'm personally interested in seeing how you interact
with Hype, my dog.
- I'm not taking him out for walks
or, like, pooping and stuff.
You'll do that, right?
I would say that you're okay at massaging.
- Ha!
Take a body shot.
- Yeah, we're not gonna do that.
- Why not?
- I have never done body shots, and it's not something
that I would want to do. - All right.
♪ ♪
Oh, I like this one. Blindfold--
- I'm not blindfolding with my lashes.
- Look--
Golly! [both chuckle]
- Ooh.
- Would y'all have been able-- Any other of y'all
have been able to deal with that kind of situation?
- I mean, like, I could.
Like, I think Gil did it the best
anyone could ever have done it. - Perfect.
- I invite those problems.
I'd rather have those problems than the problems I had.
- Yeah, I agree. Like, I'm kind of jealous.
Like, I wish, like, that my wife was doing that [bleep]
as opposed to other [bleep].
- So that--for me, I think that's the biggest thing.
For me, it wasn't a big deal.
I was like, it's either being married to somebody
or not being married to somebody
because they didn't get almond milk
or they don't want to do an activity.
Like, those are things that are very petty for me.
And so I was like, whatever. - Yeah.
- Just brush it off and keep it moving.
I--because one thing I love about my wife
is the fact that she is a go-getter.
She's very ambitious. And that makes me want more.
I will say that.
She makes me want to go get more
because of how ambitious she is.
- Let me ask you this--and I'm asking this to all the guys.
You--you continue saying "my wife."
And were you guys shocked when Myrla ended things with Gil?
How did that news reverberate with you guys?
- They were solid throughout the majority of the season
in our eyes, so yeah, it was shocking
after knowing that they had moved in together.
But yeah, throughout the process,
we definitely had questions,
like, if this was gonna be an issue,
if that was gonna be an issue.
But they always seemed solid to us.
- I was really rooting for you guys.
And I thought--I didn't think it was gonna work,
but, like, I was--I was a big fan of you.
Seriously.
- Jose, were you surprised?
- For me, I was. Uh, I was extremely shocked.
Because I saw the chemistry kinda building through them,
and I thought it was something that was gonna be
for somewhat of a lifetime.
But, yeah, when I heard the news,
I was--I was kind of devastated for him, for sure.
- Yeah, Johnny, how about you? 'Cause you know Myrla well.
- Yeah. Uh, I was really shocked
'cause I feel like Myrla and Gil,
I didn't really see any negatives.
I thought they were, like, the golden couple
after these guys.
So when y'all, after Decision Day,
both said yes, I was like, "Wow," you know?
Everything seemed fine. So it was strange.
- I think, yeah, it's shocking to everybody.
- Never in my life I've been insecure
about somebody being with me, but I would absolutely say
that is a-- My number one insecurity now.
- Mm-hmm. Okay.
Nothing's forever. - So they say.
- And by the way, I'm sure your DMs are blowing up.
[laughter]
I've got more questions, so let's keep going.
Zack, you had a long list of things that you wanted
for the perfect wife,
and you also admitted that you were a perfectionist.
Has anything changed since your marriage?
- Um, I mean, I have the same mindset, like,
in life, and I still want the best.
I want to be the best, I want to--
I want the best for my friends and family.
In terms of a spouse, though, I--I am, like,
you know, she doesn't need to do
this, this, and this and this and this, right?
There can be compromises.
So I do think that, like, I've learned that
that type of mindset,
that, you know, something can always be better,
isn't the right mindset to have when you're looking for,
you know, the one.
So I think I've definitely changed.
- Gil has thoughts on everything.
I want to hear his thoughts on this.
[laughter]
- I think we all came in here, um, expecting something.
Um, obviously, we let the experts do their thing
and crossed our fingers and hoped for the best.
And when it comes down to Zack, he just expected,
you know, her to be something that he envisioned,
and, unfortunately, it wasn't that.
And it wasn't something that he could compromise
because he wouldn't be true to himself.
- Well said.
- I want to talk about Rachel and Jose for a second.
And were you guys surprised when you heard they broke up?
And, you know, now they are back together,
spending time together.
Jose, I'm not trying to make you sweat, um, but--
- Hey, that's what you're doing, man.
Put me on the hot seat, man. That's what it's been.
- I wasn't surprised that they broke up
just because I know you guys had been going through it.
I know it was, like, a tough situation to get over.
I was more surprised they got back together.
- Were you?
- Yeah, just because of what you guys have went through.
But it just-- It's a testament to, like,
your guys' strength.
Like, I know you worked hard for that.
Like, I know you worked your ass off
to get back in her life.
And, like, I really appreciate that, Jose,
because, like, not a lot of guys will do that.
- He's still working his ass off
- Like, yeah, he's still working his ass off.
Like, not a lot of guys would have, like, sacrificed,
would have, like, been, as vulnerable as you've been.
So I want to commend you for that
because that's pretty impressive to, like,
take it back to square one and do this, do that,
do that, just to get your wife back, man.
That's very, very, very, very impressive.
So I was more shocked about that,
as opposed to them breaking up.
- Ryan, do you think it's gonna be tough for him
with Rachel's friends and family?
- Um, I think at one point-- I think when they did break up,
I don't think friends or family were the reason
for the breakup at all.
But I do think once she was in that single category,
that there were people that liked her being
in the single category for-- For both of their enjoyment.
- Right. [laughter]
- I'm not gonna say her name, but Gil's wife.
[laughter]
- Oh, you didn't say that.
- No, Myrla and Rachel are really good friends.
And I think Myrla really liked Rachel being single.
- Yep.
- It was something that we talked about.
[laughter] - Oh, did he say, "yep"?
- Is that gonna be a big roadblock, Johnny,
do you think?
- Nah, I'm friends with Myrla, I'm friends with Rachel,
I'm friends with Jose.
I was there from the beginning when they--they broke up
to when they got back together and where they are now.
Um, I like to think I had a part in it
'cause I kind of knew what Rachel was looking for,
and every now and then, I'd drop little hints to Jose
saying, like, "If you did a little more of this,
who knows?"
Because what Rachel was really looking for
was just for Jose to stop hanging out at home so much.
And you can't do that with Rachel
because Rachel likes to have fun.
She likes to have experiences.
It doesn't matter, like, if it costs $500 for the date
or it costs $5 for a date.
She just wants to do things and have experiences.
- You know, guys, this season, there was a real bromance
that was cooking, so I want you to watch this.
- Jose, my man. - Oh, what's up, brother?
What's going on? You all right, man?
- Yeah, I'm good.
Jose and I immediately had this connection.
Brah, I brought you here
because you're, like, Mr. Romance.
- Oh, man.
- If I was a chick, I'd be into Jose.
All right.
- ♪ I give you my mustang ♪
- That was too much there. - He's gonna be my guy.
- Yo, baby, you all right? - Yeah.
- ♪ I gave you my mustang ♪
- Me and Johnny, you know, we already have
somewhat of a bromance going on, all right?
Both: Bro. Great dude.
- God, Johnny's my boy, man.
My boy, Johnny.
- He's my boy, Johnny. He's my boy.
That's good stuff, man.
That's good stuff. I like that.
- He's hot and heavy, like, immediately.
Like, I felt like I was dating him.
That's what I'm going for.
Which one says, like, "After this dinner,
let's get romantic"? - Johnny, come on!
I think they both do, man. - They both do?
- Hey, it's all--it's all right here, man.
Whatever your heart says, bro. Boom.
- I need to learn that from you.
- Dude, I'm--I'm here for it.
Any support you need, man.
- And I'm here for you too.
If you every run into anything with your wife,
we can just get away and grab a couple beers
and talk about it.
I'm trying to, like, hit on him, man.
Jose's vibrance is like sunshine.
I hope my bromance with Jose is forever.
- ♪ It's all for you, baby, everything I do ♪
- [laughs] I'm sorry, that's so funny.
- Yo. - Hearts.
- Yo, I love you, man. - I like it.
- I love you.
- Jose, talk to me about this bromance
and how you feel about Johnny.
- You know, we just kinda started clicking.
And I was there for support mechanism, vice versa.
And that's how we did it.
- Jose's the kind of guy that he enters a room,
and he says "what's up" to everybody.
Because he's genuinely interested
in getting to know everyone,
introducing who he is.
He's just this, like, ball of light.
And people--like, me,
I'm just, like, drawn to the light.
Like--like a moth, almost.
And I wanted part of that sunshine.
- Do you feel a sense of protectiveness, Jose?
Over Johnny?
- Um, I definitely felt that, you know,
throughout the course of the season,
there was a lot going on in his marriage.
And, yeah, I definitely felt that,
hey, I was already that much further into the relationship
with where I was with Rachel.
Why not help him out and pay it forward
and be that support mechanism? So I would say yes.
- Listen, I want to tell all you guys,
thank you for joining me
and speaking so openly and honestly
about your experiences.
I wish you all the best as you move forward in your lives.
- Thanks, Kevin. - Thanks, Kevin.
- Thank you very much, Kevin.
- You know, we usually have couples come out together
regardless of how difficult their marriage may been,
but, um, tonight,
Michaela does not want to share the stage with Zack.
So we will talk to Michaela first.
Michaela, how you doing?
- I'm doing good, Kevin. How are you?
- Are things that bad between you and Zack
that you can't be on the stage at the same time?
- Honestly, Kevin, I'm not gonna say that they are bad.
I just made a decision to protect my energy.
And I needed to be able to talk,
without, quite literally, being interrupted.
[dramatic music]
- So let's go back to the beginning.
Because when things were good, they were good.
Would you agree with that? - Oh, 100%.
I--I mean, in the beginning,
it was more than I could have imagined.
My wedding was probably, I mean, to date,
one of the best days of my life.
Hi! Hi, husband!
Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you. Hello.
- You're gorgeous.
- Oh, thank you. You're gorgeous.
- [giggles]
It does feel like I'm dancing with my husband.
[laughs] Because I am.
It feels like I could do this forever,
that we could have many more dances.
- So love is in the air. It's all love and happiness.
Then, after the honeymoon, you get into your first big fight.
- Mm-hmm.
- And Zack seemed fixated on your knee-jerk reactions.
- Yes.
I woke up this morning, and Zack is not here.
He left the apartment without informing me of anything.
♪ ♪
And so I'm out.
- So, like, you thought I was gonna be gone forever?
Like, what--what do you th-- - No.
- What did you thought was gonna happen?
- I didn't think you were gonna be gone forever.
You gave me such limited information
that it's like, well, okay. - Okay, hold on.
- Well, if you're gonna act in a--in a way,
then so should I.
- How would you describe that? - He was right.
Um, that's one thing that I learned in this is,
I need to manage
my impulsive, decisive behavior.
From that moment, that was it for Zack.
And I could feel that.
I could feel that he had given up,
and he didn't think there was going to be
any kind of resolve.
And I honestly believe if I would have calmed down,
that it would have turned out better.
- Well, you talk about Zack having problems
with your behavior.
Did you have problems with his behavior?
- I did.
Mainly, for me, it was the lack of forgiveness,
the lack of grace, the lack of compassion.
I felt like in being with Zack, he was always waiting
for the other shoe to drop.
Always waiting for me to do it again.
And being in that kind of situation,
it's stressful, because I wanted my marriage.
I wanted to do better. I wanted us to be okay.
But I can't be okay if I'm stressed out
about making a mistake.
- You know, watching the constant back and forth
between you two, I think a lot of us almost got whiplash.
Can we take a look back for a second
at some of the moments? Here we go.
- With everything that has happened,
I'm actually happy, you know, where we are.
And I can definitely see a path forward.
- This is good.
- I am heartbroken.
- ♪ Salty and sour ♪
- Said two days later? Wow. [bleep].
I can't keep talking about this [bleep].
I would literally do anything for Michaela, so...
- Mm. I already love Zack.
And I told him that.
- Oh, my God. - Oh, man.
- Damn, okay.
- I do think that they gave me my man,
like, the man for me.
So we had a conversation about Decision Day,
which, as it stands, I would say it's a no
for both of us.
And because of that, I'm just like, eh,
why even sleep in the same bedroom?
- So we are sleeping in the same bed tonight?
♪ ♪
- Yeah, we're sleeping in the same bed tonight.
- After reflecting, I've come to one conclusion,
that this has been the worst relationship
I have ever been in in my life.
The relationship is over.
- Michaela, watching that, what do you think?
- Uh, yeah, roller coaster.
That is, um...
definitely how I would describe Zack and I's...
[sighs] Brief relationship.
- Do you think, uh, he was equally to blame
for the fights you got in?
- I think that, yeah, we were both equally to blame.
But I also believe that I should not have participated
in the way that I participated in some of those fights.
- Michaela, why can't I just have him
sit in that other chair? - I don't want him next to me.
- Huh? - No.
- 'Cause you're saying all these things, and it's like...
- Mm-mm.
- Let's do this.
I know your sister, Shareefa, is here.
Can we bring her out? - Yeah, absolutely.
- Okay, let's bring Shareefa out.
♪ ♪
Hey, Shareefa, how are you? - I'm well. How are you?
- Fantastic.
You developed kind of a relationship with Zack
during this process.
Did you think they were a good match?
- I thought so.
- What do you think of Zack now?
- Um, I'm indifferent.
- Shareefa, what do you think went wrong in their marriage?
What was the problem?
- I think one of the problems were,
they both wanted to be right.
♪ ♪
And sometimes in their rightness,
you know what I mean,
there were things that occurred.
I think they're both very stubborn.
And, you know, that's not necessarily always a bad thing.
But I think in the course of a marriage,
someone has to say, "Okay, you know what?
"I may feel right in this, but I want to be married
more than I want to be right." - Mm.
Do you think he was messing with your emotions
a little bit?
- Yes.
- Oh, my God, bro. Come on.
- I gave Zackary the green light to go
several times.
Like, he chose to stay.
And this is where I had, you know,
such relationship anxiety, 'cause it'd be like,
"Good morning, Michaela, ready for that divorce?"
"Good morning, Michaela, don't really see you as a wife,
more as a coworker."
"Hey, we're not gonna last long."
And so while I'm trying to work at this relationship,
I'm hearing these things--
- Are you sure about that, though?
- And it's confusing.
On our one month anniversary,
we spent the night in a hotel,
and that really was kind of a pick-me-up
for our relationship, and it went--it was amazing.
We just really were bonding.
And that night, we were kissing,
and touching and other.
And it was strange to me because I remember,
he got out of bed and was like,
"Don't tell anybody we did that."
- What do you mean? - And I was like--
- Whoa, whoa, whoa, he was trying to keep
your intimacy secret?
- Yeah.
And he said, "Don't tell" -- - Why?
- "Anybody we did that, and if you tell anybody,
I'm gonna deny it."
And I remember thinking first of all,
why would I tell somebody that?
Secondly, wait, why would you deny it,
and why are you telling me not to tell anybody
that we did stuff and we tell people about it?
- Oh, now I see why she wants to do this separately.
'Cause I wouldn't be able to be there to defend--
Okay, I get it.
- Can I tell you why I'm confused?
- Why?
- Because I'm hearing, after Decision Day,
that then you moved in with Zack?
♪ ♪
- I didn't move in with him. - Thank you.
- After Decision Day, we went to dinner,
we talked, and Zack asked me to come back to his place,
and I said okay.
- Michaela, he just told you he wanted a divorce from you.
- I know-- - He said that to you.
- I know. - He looked you in the eye.
And he said-- - And said divorce, I know.
- "I want a divorce," but go ahead, finish telling--
- I know, I know, I know.
- Let's tell the world what happened.
Let's share, let's share. - Yeah.
- After Decision Day, I was at Zack's house
for a good seven, eight days straight.
On his invitation.
Because I can't get into his fancy building
without a key.
And I was cooking, cleaning, and having sex with him.
He claims, like, oh, no, I was only over there
'cause he was trying to help me out.
And that I was mooching off of him
and encroaching on his area.
And I'm like, wait, what? - No. No.
- But you invited me there.
So the day that we officially, officially just cut it--
- This is after the seven, eight day run?
- Yeah, this after-- - After the lovers' holiday.
Right. - Yes.
[laughter] - Okay, go ahead.
- Um, I sent Zackary a text message.
And I told him--I apologized.
I said, "Look, dude,
"throughout this process, I did some things
"that were not okay.
"In this situation, because there is
"so much, you know, drama and trauma
"with so little history,
"perhaps we shouldn't be together.
"But I do want to get to know you as a friend.
And I hope that you can accept that from me."
And he said, "Yeah, I can be on board with that."
I said, "Awesome."
The next day, I called him and I invited him
to the dog park.
He told me then that he only wanted to be cordial with me
in the presence of other people.
[dramatic musical sting]
- You've had this eight day run, right?
- No, no, no.
- And so then he tells me that,
and that actually upset me.
- So why won't you say this to him right now?
- I don't ever want to talk to him.
- I think it's important that you say--
I do think it's important. - That's it.
We're done.
I don't want somebody like that in my life,
and I don't need to get any closure with it.
I don't need to express that to him.
I don't need to hear his feedback.
- Did Zack play you?
- Yeah, I completely got played.
- What?
- Played? - Wow.
- I was in a marriage. I don't know what Zack was in.
But I was trying to be in a marriage,
and I was trying to show up as a wife.
- Goddamn, let-- Can y'all let me go on?
Jesus [bleep] Christ.
- All right, listen.
I gotta bring Zack out, hear what he has to say.
But thank y'all for coming out here.
- Thank you. - We appreciate it, all right?
You know, Michaela and Zack refused
to be on stage together tonight,
so now it's time to hear from Zack.
Zack, how you doing?
- What's up, man? How you doing?
- Good.
Why couldn't you and Michaela be on the set
at the same time today?
- I don't know.
I kinda came into this very excited to kind of see her.
- [sighs]
- Talk about what had happened.
But she just can't be next to me, so...
- But you wanted to be on the stage and have a conversation?
- Yeah, I thought that was the mature thing to do.
Um, but she can't do it, so I'm by myself.
It's fine. - All right.
So where do you think things went wrong?
- I would say the first moment that I was, like,
very nervous about the marriage
was when she moved out that first time.
♪ ♪
I feel like the situation that caused her to move out
wasn't too extreme, and so I felt like
if you were acting that way in that situation,
how are you gonna act in a more serious situation?
Like, say we have kids or something like that.
Will you move out with our kids?
So that was the first moment I was like, "Okay, hold up."
- Did this feel like a crazy roller coaster to you?
- It's not roller coaster for me.
It was just, like, up and then down.
- Zack, let's talk about the couples' retreat for a second.
- Okay.
- What was that like for you?
- The whole me leaving thing, like, I was so calm
and, like, kind of happy that I was leaving.
Me leaving the couples' retreat is nothing more than
me just removing myself from the situation
I don't want to be in.
- I don't want you to drive out in the countryside.
It's not safe.
- It's not that serious. - No. [bleep]
- Like--[stutters]
Just let me leave, please?
I can drive back, guys. I promise you.
Please let me leave. I'm not mad.
I'm gonna be very happy on the way home.
Just let me--thank you. Damn.
[indistinct chatter]
It was just, like, too much drama and [bleep].
But it was just a very, very unique experience
that I never want to go through again.
- Yeah. - I don't know, man.
I just feel like everything's my fault.
Like--you know.
I abandoned her, so she acted like that.
I don't know, dude, I just-- - No.
- No, but I don't think anybody--
- Yeah, I don't know. - Anybody saw that and said,
"Oh, my God, you abandoned her."
- Yeah. - No one ever feels that way,
and I think that everybody was like, "Hey, wow,
she should calm down and work through this."
If it wasn't for that hurricane, okay,
you could've had a chance? - Probably.
[soft dramatic music]
I feel like Michaela sometimes thinks
I want to make her look bad.
As if that's my goal, to make my wife look bad.
As opposed to taking responsibility
of her own actions?
- I always take responsibility.
- If you could rewind,
what would you have done differently?
- I wish I would've left.
♪ ♪
This is definitely the worst relationship I've been in
romantically, friendship-wise, work-wise,
any type of relationship, this is the worst one.
- This is the bottom of the barrel?
- The worst one by far.
- I mean, Zack, let's be honest.
There were several times where you said things to her
that made it look like you had feelings for her.
- I would literally do anything for Michaela, so...
- Mm. - Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- Wow.
- Yeah, I did have feelings for her.
- Do you hear that that's confusing?
- No. I don't get how that's--
- You don't think it's confusing?
- No. - Wait a minute.
Let's talk about Decision Day.
On Decision Day, you said
that you want to have a relation--
You like, "We can still work on our relationship
outside of this."
- When I said I wanted to get a divorce,
I want to divorce
the last eight weeks that we've experienced
because I never want that to happen again.
But as you said, I am willing to see where this goes.
♪ ♪
- So now she's thinking,
in her mind, she's gotta think,
"Oh, well, maybe there's a chance."
- Yeah.
- So everything I said on Decision Day was true.
- You did say that you wanted to work on your relationship.
You told her that.
- But, Kevin, I also said
that does not mean we're gonna be together.
♪ ♪
- So what does that mean? - But you--
- Like, what's the--where's the disconnect here, man?
Like, help me understand this.
- No, there's no disconnect, but Zack,
have the balls to say, "Hey, you know what?
"I want a divorce. This didn't work out.
Let's move on." - Yeah. See?
- And instead of saying,
"I want a divorce, but this could work out.
And so let's go and start our relationship"--
- Whoa, whoa, whoa. I said this could work out?
- You said to her, "We could have a relationship."
- Yeah.
- Kevin, I have a relationship with everybody in this room.
That does not mean we're married.
Stop acting like what I said or did has caused this [bleep].
- Zack, Zack, I hear what you're saying.
- Like, you're making it seem like
I don't know what I'm talking about.
Michaela says things like, you know,
"Zack thought he was just waiting for me to react."
And, you know, "I just felt like
I was walking on eggshells."
And I was thinking, well, is my "perfectionist attitude"
making her feel like she can't be herself
and it's just causing these overreactions?
It's not. This is who she is.
And I hate to say that, but it's a fact
because she said it, her family said it,
she acts like it.
So, like, I know marriage is hard work,
but should it be this hard?
Like, should I have to deal with this [bleep]?
- Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this.
On your one month anniversary that night,
were you intimate with her?
- No. Hell, no. - Yes.
And he said that he would deny it.
- That's not true, man.
Like, I wasn't kissing her before,
and I'm not kissing her after,
so now I'm gonna kiss her on the one month anniversary?
- On your one month anniversary,
you didn't even kiss her? - No.
- See? He said that he was going to deny it.
He's lying. Right there. Another lie.
- The only way to really make sense of this
is to have her come out here, 'cause right now,
I feel like she's one of the great pathological liars.
- It's actually pretty insane the [bleep] she was saying.
- Let's clear it all up. - No.
I'm tired of this. Like, I'm done.
- If he wants to call me out on my lies,
he can do it to my face.
- If someone's saying that [bleep], then, like,
obviously not thinking straight.
- I am going in there.
- And in fact, she wanted this, so this is what she got, so...
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It's on her.
- Let's unpack this. - Everything I said was true.
If you really want to talk, Michaela, you have my number.
You can unblock me.
- Zack, I really do wish the best of luck--
Michaela, how you doing?
- Okay, first of all-- See--stop.
See, this is--no, no, no, no. Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.
'Cause she had time alone,
so now you're gonna give me my time alone.
I'm so tired of this [bleep]
I'm not participating in this [bleep] anymore.
Whew.
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- Next week on part two of the "Married at First Sight:
Houston Reunion."
- Guys, come on.
This is high school [bleep] I don't have time for.
So now, it's my turn to talk.
- He doesn't care.
You don't care, and you never cared about me.
- How's that? - Come on. Come on, Kevin.
- Whatever Bao was doing to me, it worked,
because I did feel like a broken man.
- Wow.
You're making it sound like I intentionally broke you down.
- Which couple surprised you the most?
- [laughing] There were so many surprises.
- You made rash decisions based on fear
and not based on logic.
- All of us were flabbergasted.
- I didn't shed one teardrop this whole experience,
and I can't even control myself right now.
- Myrla, you and Johnny are just BFFs?
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[overlapping chatter] - What? What is a shrug?
[laughter] - Oh, this is awkward.
- Oh. - I'ma head out.
I'm not feeling too good right now, so...
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- Kevin, he didn't like that question.