1 00:00:12,466 --> 00:00:15,066 ♪ ♪ 2 00:00:15,133 --> 00:00:19,200 ♪ ♪ 3 00:00:19,266 --> 00:00:27,666 ♪ ♪ 4 00:00:27,733 --> 00:00:30,800 >> John: HI, THERE, WELCOME TO 5 00:00:30,866 --> 00:00:33,300 THE SHOW, STILL FOR JUST THREE 6 00:00:33,366 --> 00:00:34,300 MORE WEEKS TAKING PLACE IN THIS 7 00:00:34,366 --> 00:00:36,100 BLANK VOID, WHICH I RECENTLY 8 00:00:36,166 --> 00:00:40,066 LEARNED IS SENTIENT. 9 00:00:40,133 --> 00:00:43,233 IT'S BEEN LISTENING A LOT TO ME, 10 00:00:43,300 --> 00:00:44,133 SO I THOUGHT 11 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:45,233 I WOULD GIVE IT THE FLOOR FOR A 12 00:00:45,300 --> 00:00:46,133 MOMENT. 13 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:46,800 VOID, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU 14 00:00:46,866 --> 00:00:48,266 WOULD LIKE TO SAY? 15 00:00:48,333 --> 00:00:49,366 >> REALLY? 16 00:00:49,433 --> 00:00:50,400 I CAN SAY ANYTHING I WANT? 17 00:00:50,466 --> 00:00:51,133 >> John: GO AHEAD, SPEAK YOUR 18 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:52,000 MIND. 19 00:00:52,066 --> 00:00:52,800 >> OKAY. 20 00:00:52,866 --> 00:00:53,733 WOW. 21 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:54,600 I WISH CHRIS PRATT WASN'T TRYING 22 00:00:54,666 --> 00:00:55,500 TO MAKE THE ACTION HERO THING 23 00:00:55,566 --> 00:00:59,133 STICK. 24 00:00:59,200 --> 00:00:59,700 YOU KNOW? 25 00:00:59,766 --> 00:01:00,533 >> John: UH-HUH. 26 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:01,533 >> IT'S HIS CAREER, HE CAN DO 27 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:02,800 WHATEVER HE WANTS WITH IT. 28 00:01:02,866 --> 00:01:04,133 I JUST FEEL LIKE THE BUFF THING, 29 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:08,133 IT'S NOT WORKING FOR ME. 30 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:09,666 >> John: OKAY, I'VE GOT TO BE 31 00:01:09,733 --> 00:01:09,900 HONEST. 32 00:01:09,966 --> 00:01:11,066 I THOUGHT YOU WOULD BE MORE 33 00:01:11,133 --> 00:01:11,633 INTERESTING THAN THIS. 34 00:01:11,700 --> 00:01:12,666 >> EXCUSE ME? 35 00:01:12,733 --> 00:01:13,600 YOU ASK SOMEONE ON THEIR SHOW 36 00:01:13,666 --> 00:01:15,033 AND TELL THEM TO SAY WHATEVER 37 00:01:15,100 --> 00:01:15,300 THEY WANT. 38 00:01:15,366 --> 00:01:15,933 THEY CAN SAY WHATEVER THEY WANT, 39 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:16,566 AND THEN YOU TELL THEM THEY ARE 40 00:01:16,633 --> 00:01:17,333 NOT INTERESTING? 41 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:18,066 WHO DOES THAT? 42 00:01:18,133 --> 00:01:19,466 WHAT KIND OF MONSTER DOES THAT? 43 00:01:19,533 --> 00:01:22,900 >> John: THAT IS FAIR. 44 00:01:22,966 --> 00:01:25,066 >> YOU KNOW WHAT? 45 00:01:25,133 --> 00:01:26,133 I SEE WHY YOU STOPPED HAVING 46 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:27,133 GUESTS ON ON SEASON ONE. 47 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:27,766 >> John: MOVING ON -- 48 00:01:27,833 --> 00:01:28,800 >> YOU ARE NOT A NICE PERSON. 49 00:01:28,866 --> 00:01:32,333 >> John: MOVING ON. 50 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,400 TUCKER CARLSON CELEBRATED 51 00:01:34,466 --> 00:01:34,733 INTERNATIONAL 52 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:35,366 AUTHORITARIAN APPRECIATION WEEK 53 00:01:35,433 --> 00:01:36,100 BY DOING A ROAD-SHOW IN HUNGARY, 54 00:01:36,166 --> 00:01:36,933 O.J. SIMPSON URGED PEOPLE TO GET 55 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:37,933 VACCINATED, PUTTING ME IN THE 56 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:38,766 STRANGE POSITION OF SAYING "I'M 57 00:01:38,833 --> 00:01:40,533 WITH O.J.," AND NEW YORK'S AG 58 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,800 RELEASED A DEVASTATING REPORT 59 00:01:43,866 --> 00:01:47,166 OF HIS INVESTIGATION INTO 60 00:01:47,233 --> 00:01:47,466 ALLEGATIONS 61 00:01:47,533 --> 00:01:49,433 DEVASTATING SEXUAL HARASSMENT BY 62 00:01:49,500 --> 00:01:51,033 ANDREW CUOMO WHICH, INCREDIBLY, 63 00:01:51,100 --> 00:01:52,133 HE IS TRYING TO RIDE OUT, TRYING 64 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:53,666 TO DOWNPLAY THE ACCUSATIONS. 65 00:01:53,733 --> 00:01:55,100 >> I DO KISS PEOPLE ON THE 66 00:01:55,166 --> 00:01:56,066 FOREHEAD. 67 00:01:56,133 --> 00:01:57,733 I DO KISS PEOPLE ON THE CHEEK. 68 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:59,200 I DO KISS PEOPLE ON THE HAND. 69 00:01:59,266 --> 00:02:03,000 I DO EMBRACE PEOPLE. 70 00:02:03,066 --> 00:02:06,000 I DO HUG PEOPLE, MEN AND WOMEN. 71 00:02:06,066 --> 00:02:07,500 >> John: OKAY! 72 00:02:07,566 --> 00:02:10,033 BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS 73 00:02:10,100 --> 00:02:10,866 ABOUT. 74 00:02:10,933 --> 00:02:11,733 AND IT'S FRANKLY INCREDIBLE THAT 75 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:12,733 CUOMO THOUGHT RELEASING AN 76 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:14,033 IRRELEVANT MONTAGE OF PHOTOS 77 00:02:14,100 --> 00:02:15,133 WOULD SOMEHOW EXONERATE HIM. 78 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:16,200 APPARENTLY HIS STRATEGY FOR 79 00:02:16,266 --> 00:02:17,400 LITERALLY ANY CRISIS IS 80 00:02:17,466 --> 00:02:19,166 "PUT TOGETHER A POWERPOINT AND 81 00:02:19,233 --> 00:02:20,433 THAT'S IT." 82 00:02:20,500 --> 00:02:22,166 BUT THE REST OF THE WORLD'S 83 00:02:22,233 --> 00:02:22,766 ATTENTION WAS DOMINATED THIS 84 00:02:22,833 --> 00:02:24,500 WEEK BY THE OLYMPICS. 85 00:02:24,566 --> 00:02:26,500 THEY ENDED TONIGHT AND THEY 86 00:02:26,566 --> 00:02:29,766 PROVIDED SOME INCREDIBLE MOMENTS 87 00:02:29,833 --> 00:02:31,500 FROM THE ATHLETES, BUT ALSO SOME 88 00:02:31,566 --> 00:02:32,466 CONTROVERSY FROM THE FACT 89 00:02:32,533 --> 00:02:33,133 THE GAMES WERE EVEN HAPPENING IN 90 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:33,766 THE FIRST PLACE, IN THE MIDDLE 91 00:02:33,833 --> 00:02:38,833 OF A PANDEMIC, TO A DECISION 92 00:02:38,900 --> 00:02:39,600 TAKEN BEFORE THEY BEGAN 93 00:02:39,666 --> 00:02:40,466 REGARDING ONE OF THE TEAMS 94 00:02:40,533 --> 00:02:41,566 INVOLVED. 95 00:02:41,633 --> 00:02:43,200 >> IN OTHER OLYMPIC NEWS THIS 96 00:02:43,266 --> 00:02:43,966 MORNING, RUSSIA IS COMPETING 97 00:02:44,033 --> 00:02:44,600 UNDER A NEW NAME AT THESE 98 00:02:44,666 --> 00:02:45,533 OLYMPICS FOLLOWING THEIR DOPING 99 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:46,466 SCANDAL. 100 00:02:46,533 --> 00:02:47,266 THEY'LL BE COMPETING AS THE 101 00:02:47,333 --> 00:02:48,300 "RUSSIAN OLYMPIC COMMITTEE." 102 00:02:48,366 --> 00:02:50,533 THE RUSSIAN NAME, FLAG, AND 103 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:51,633 ANTHEM HAVE ALL BEEN BANNED IF 104 00:02:51,700 --> 00:02:53,166 ATHLETES DO WIN ANY MEDALS. 105 00:02:53,233 --> 00:02:54,433 >> John: YEAH, THOUGH THE 106 00:02:54,500 --> 00:02:55,733 RUSSIAN NAME ISN'T REALLY BANNED 107 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,866 IF THEY'RE COMPETING AS THE 108 00:02:58,933 --> 00:02:59,533 "RUSSIAN" OLYMPIC COMMITTEE, IS 109 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:00,266 IT? 110 00:03:00,333 --> 00:03:01,433 IT'S LIKE SAYING, "A MONSTER 111 00:03:01,500 --> 00:03:02,366 LIKE HARVEY WEINSTEIN HAS 112 00:03:02,433 --> 00:03:04,533 ABSOLUTELY NO AFFILIATION WITH 113 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,100 THE WEINSTEIN COMPANY." 114 00:03:06,166 --> 00:03:07,466 I DUNNO ABOUT THAT. 115 00:03:07,533 --> 00:03:08,433 THE NAME THERE REALLY IMPLIES 116 00:03:08,500 --> 00:03:10,366 OTHERWISE. 117 00:03:10,433 --> 00:03:11,400 THE NEW DESIGNATION IS DUE TO 118 00:03:11,466 --> 00:03:12,733 THE FACT THAT RUSSIA WAS 119 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:13,833 TECHNICALLY BANNED FOR OPERATING 120 00:03:13,900 --> 00:03:15,166 A YEARS-LONG, STATE-SPONSORED 121 00:03:15,233 --> 00:03:16,500 DOPING SCHEME, AND THIS ISN'T 122 00:03:16,566 --> 00:03:18,000 THE FIRST TIME THEY'VE BEEN 123 00:03:18,066 --> 00:03:19,566 SANCTIONED. 124 00:03:19,633 --> 00:03:20,833 IN PYEONGCHANG IN 2018, RUSSIAN 125 00:03:20,900 --> 00:03:22,266 ATHLETES HAD TO COMPETE UNDER 126 00:03:22,333 --> 00:03:23,433 THIS NEUTRAL BANNER INSTEAD OF 127 00:03:23,500 --> 00:03:25,666 THEIR FLAG. 128 00:03:25,733 --> 00:03:26,900 BUT BEFORE TOKYO, THE PUNISHMENT 129 00:03:26,966 --> 00:03:28,066 WAS DOWNGRADED, AND THEY WERE 130 00:03:28,133 --> 00:03:29,733 ALLOWED TO COMPETE AS THE 131 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:31,200 "RUSSIAN OLYMPIC COMMITTEE" WITH 132 00:03:31,266 --> 00:03:32,533 UNIFORMS THAT CLEARLY BEAR MORE 133 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,333 THAN A PASSING RESEMBLANCE TO 134 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,266 THE RUSSIAN FLAG. 135 00:03:36,333 --> 00:03:38,266 WE ALL KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON 136 00:03:38,333 --> 00:03:39,666 THERE, IN THE SAME WAY THAT 137 00:03:39,733 --> 00:03:41,100 CALLING THIS A RED PLUMBER 138 00:03:41,166 --> 00:03:42,433 HALLOWEEN COSTUME ISN'T FOOLING 139 00:03:42,500 --> 00:03:43,800 ANYONE. 140 00:03:43,866 --> 00:03:45,033 AND WHILE WINNING RUSSIAN 141 00:03:45,100 --> 00:03:46,366 ATHLETES DIDN'T GET TO HEAR 142 00:03:46,433 --> 00:03:47,966 THEIR NATIONAL ANTHEM ON THE 143 00:03:48,033 --> 00:03:50,033 MEDAL STAND, THEY DID GET THIS: 144 00:03:50,100 --> 00:03:51,700 [TCHAIKOVSKY'S PIANO CONCERTO 145 00:03:51,766 --> 00:03:53,800 NO. 1] 146 00:03:53,866 --> 00:04:06,700 ♪ ♪ 147 00:04:06,766 --> 00:04:07,900 YEAH, THEY GOT TCHAIKOVSKY. 148 00:04:07,966 --> 00:04:08,900 THAT IS MORE RUSSIAN THAN THE 149 00:04:08,966 --> 00:04:10,866 RUSSIAN NATIONAL ANTHEM. 150 00:04:10,933 --> 00:04:12,400 IN FACT, THERE IS NO SOUND MORE 151 00:04:12,466 --> 00:04:13,866 QUINTESSENTIALLY RUSSIAN, ASIDE 152 00:04:13,933 --> 00:04:15,300 FROM MAYBE AN OLD MAN WEEPING 153 00:04:15,366 --> 00:04:16,833 UNCONTROLLABLY WHILE EATING A 154 00:04:16,900 --> 00:04:18,666 POTATO. 155 00:04:18,733 --> 00:04:20,266 IF ANYTHING, IT SEEMS RUSSIA 156 00:04:20,333 --> 00:04:24,066 EMBRACED THE R.O.C. DESIGNATION 157 00:04:24,133 --> 00:04:24,966 DURING THESE GAMES, WITH THE 158 00:04:25,033 --> 00:04:25,866 OFFICIAL @Russia ACCOUNT EVEN 159 00:04:25,933 --> 00:04:27,133 RUNNING A CAMPAIGN USING THE 160 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:28,733 HASHTAG #WeWillRocYou. 161 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,433 AND YOU DON'T GET TO USE 162 00:04:30,500 --> 00:04:35,600 "R.O.C." AS A FUN, SASSY NAME! 163 00:04:35,666 --> 00:04:36,900 THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE YOUR 164 00:04:36,966 --> 00:04:37,433 PUNISHMENT. 165 00:04:37,500 --> 00:04:38,666 IT'S LIKE IF HANNIBAL LECTER 166 00:04:38,733 --> 00:04:40,033 STARTED TWEETING #MuzzleMeDaddy. 167 00:04:40,100 --> 00:04:40,533 NO! 168 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:41,466 YOU EAT PEOPLE. 169 00:04:41,533 --> 00:04:42,266 YOU DON'T GET TO RECLAIM THE 170 00:04:42,333 --> 00:04:44,400 MUZZLE. 171 00:04:44,466 --> 00:04:45,600 THE THING IS, THESE 172 00:04:45,666 --> 00:04:47,000 DESIGNATIONS WERE PUT IN PLACE 173 00:04:47,066 --> 00:04:48,500 FOR A REASON -- BUT THAT REASON 174 00:04:48,566 --> 00:04:50,133 IS NOT SOMETHING THE R.O.C.'S 175 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,733 BEEN EAGER TO ACKNOWLEDGE. 176 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:54,333 AFTER A U.S. SWIMMER INITIALLY 177 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:55,533 SUGGESTED HIS RACE "WAS PROBABLY 178 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:56,766 NOT CLEAN," THE R.O.C. -- WHOSE 179 00:04:56,833 --> 00:04:58,233 ATHLETE HAD WON THAT RACE -- 180 00:04:58,300 --> 00:05:00,566 RESPONDED AGGRESSIVELY: 181 00:05:00,633 --> 00:05:02,333 >> THE RUSSIAN OLYMPIC COMMITTEE 182 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:03,766 HAVE RESPONDED VIA A STRONGLY 183 00:05:03,833 --> 00:05:05,133 WORDED STATEMENT ON TWITTER 184 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:06,366 WHICH SAYS, IN PART, "HOW 185 00:05:06,433 --> 00:05:07,500 UNNERVING OUR VICTORIES ARE FOR 186 00:05:07,566 --> 00:05:08,666 SOME. 187 00:05:08,733 --> 00:05:09,800 YES, WE ARE HERE AT THE 188 00:05:09,866 --> 00:05:10,766 OLYMPICS. 189 00:05:10,833 --> 00:05:11,900 ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 190 00:05:11,966 --> 00:05:14,533 WHETHER PEOPLE LIKE IT OR NOT." 191 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:16,166 >> John: WOW. 192 00:05:16,233 --> 00:05:18,000 THAT IS A HARD PUSHBACK. 193 00:05:18,066 --> 00:05:19,333 AND THE R.O.C. WAS VERY MUCH NOT 194 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:20,566 DONE, CALLING THE COMPLAINTS 195 00:05:20,633 --> 00:05:22,100 "ENGLISH-LANGUAGE PROPAGANDA, 196 00:05:22,166 --> 00:05:23,533 OOZING VERBAL SWEAT IN 197 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,166 THE TOKYO HEAT." 198 00:05:25,233 --> 00:05:27,000 WHICH IS UNDENIABLY POETIC. 199 00:05:27,066 --> 00:05:29,300 "OOZING VERBAL SWEAT IN THE 200 00:05:29,366 --> 00:05:31,566 TOKYO HEAT" SOUNDS LESS LIKE 201 00:05:31,633 --> 00:05:33,033 RUSSIAN TOUGH TALK AND MORE LIKE 202 00:05:33,100 --> 00:05:35,200 A LINE FROM "A STREETCAR NAMED 203 00:05:35,266 --> 00:05:38,600 DESIRE 2: BLANCHE GOES EAST." 204 00:05:38,666 --> 00:05:39,766 IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT MAKING 205 00:05:39,833 --> 00:05:40,766 RUSSIA COMPETE UNDER A 206 00:05:40,833 --> 00:05:42,266 SUPPOSEDLY "NEUTRAL" FLAG AND 207 00:05:42,333 --> 00:05:44,633 UNIFORMS, WHEN NEITHER THE FLAG 208 00:05:44,700 --> 00:05:46,133 NOR THE UNIFORMS WERE NEUTRAL, 209 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:47,566 MEANS THAT THIS PUNISHMENT 210 00:05:47,633 --> 00:05:48,566 WASN'T REALLY A PUNISHMENT AT 211 00:05:48,633 --> 00:05:49,766 ALL. 212 00:05:49,833 --> 00:05:50,933 SO LET'S TRY AND LEARN FROM 213 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,600 THIS, AND NEXT TIME THIS PROBLEM 214 00:05:52,666 --> 00:05:54,333 ARISES, LET'S MAKE SURE BANNED 215 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:56,100 COUNTRIES HAVE A MUCH CLEARER 216 00:05:56,166 --> 00:05:58,100 ASTERISK ON THEIR PARTICIPATION. 217 00:05:58,166 --> 00:06:00,366 SO INSTEAD OF A OBVIOUSLY 218 00:06:00,433 --> 00:06:02,266 FLAG-THEMED TRACKSUIT, LET'S 219 00:06:02,333 --> 00:06:03,933 PUT THEM IN A SHREK-THEMED 220 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:05,333 SWEATSHIRT PAIRED WITH 221 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:06,533 SHIT EMOJI SLIPPERS AND A 222 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,433 LOBSTER HAT. 223 00:06:08,500 --> 00:06:09,533 SOMETHING LIKE THIS: 224 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:10,433 SEE? 225 00:06:10,500 --> 00:06:12,000 NOW THAT IS A NEUTRAL LOOK. 226 00:06:12,066 --> 00:06:13,033 GOOD LUCK GUESSING WHAT NATION 227 00:06:13,100 --> 00:06:14,533 THAT ATHLETE IS COMPETING FOR 228 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,533 FROM THAT OUTFIT. 229 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:17,666 AND WHEN THEIR ATHLETES WIN 230 00:06:17,733 --> 00:06:19,500 GOLD, DON'T GIVE THEM SOMETHING 231 00:06:19,566 --> 00:06:21,066 THAT INSPIRES NATIONAL PRIDE 232 00:06:21,133 --> 00:06:22,666 LIKE TCHAIKOVSKY. 233 00:06:22,733 --> 00:06:24,100 INSTEAD, PLAY SOMETHING AWFUL 234 00:06:24,166 --> 00:06:25,566 THAT'S GUARANTEED TO STICK IN 235 00:06:25,633 --> 00:06:26,733 YOUR HEAD AND REMIND YOU THAT 236 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:27,800 SOMETHING OBJECTIONABLE HAS 237 00:06:27,866 --> 00:06:29,033 HAPPENED. 238 00:06:29,100 --> 00:06:31,566 MAY I SUGGEST THIS: 239 00:06:31,633 --> 00:06:35,166 >> ♪ 1 877 KARS 4 KIDS ♪ 240 00:06:35,233 --> 00:06:39,633 ♪ K-A-R-S, KARS FOR KIDS ♪ 241 00:06:39,700 --> 00:06:41,500 ♪ 1-877 KARS 4 KIDS ♪ 242 00:06:41,566 --> 00:06:44,000 ♪ DONATE YOUR CAR TODAY! ♪ 243 00:06:44,066 --> 00:06:48,066 >> John: NOW I KNOW IT'S HARSH, 244 00:06:48,133 --> 00:06:49,800 OF BUT LET'S AGREE, 245 00:06:49,866 --> 00:06:50,400 IT IS THE ULTIMATE 246 00:06:50,466 --> 00:06:51,166 DETERRENT. 247 00:06:51,233 --> 00:06:55,300 AND NOW THIS. 248 00:06:55,366 --> 00:06:58,033 >> Announcer: AND NOW, THE 249 00:06:58,100 --> 00:07:01,333 ELECTRIFYING SMALL TALK OF 250 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:01,866 CALIFORNIA'S "DAYTIME WITH 251 00:07:01,933 --> 00:07:02,833 KIMBERLY AND ESTEBAN.">> "DAYTID 252 00:07:02,900 --> 00:07:05,800 ESTEBAN" STARTS NOW. 253 00:07:05,866 --> 00:07:08,766 >> WELCOME TO "DAYTIME." 254 00:07:08,833 --> 00:07:09,066 IT'S MONDAY. 255 00:07:09,133 --> 00:07:15,300 >> IT IS MONDAY. 256 00:07:15,366 --> 00:07:15,666 >> HOLLA! 257 00:07:15,733 --> 00:07:16,266 HELLO. 258 00:07:16,333 --> 00:07:19,566 HOW WAS YOUR WEEKEND? 259 00:07:19,633 --> 00:07:20,866 >> BUSY BUT GOOD. 260 00:07:20,933 --> 00:07:22,633 >> HOW ARE YOU? 261 00:07:22,700 --> 00:07:24,033 >> I AM GOOD. 262 00:07:24,100 --> 00:07:25,033 YOURSELF? 263 00:07:25,100 --> 00:07:26,700 >> DOING GOOD. 264 00:07:26,766 --> 00:07:28,433 HOW ARE YOU? 265 00:07:28,500 --> 00:07:29,566 >> GOOD. 266 00:07:29,633 --> 00:07:29,833 CHILLING. 267 00:07:29,900 --> 00:07:31,100 ANOTHER DAY. 268 00:07:31,166 --> 00:07:32,233 >> WHAT IS UP? 269 00:07:32,300 --> 00:07:35,233 HAVE YOU EVER WONDERED HOW SMART 270 00:07:35,300 --> 00:07:37,066 YOUR DOG IS? 271 00:07:37,133 --> 00:07:37,933 >> YEAH. 272 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:38,733 >> AIRING MOVIES YOU CAN'T 273 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:40,900 NECESSARILY SEE AT THE THEATERS. 274 00:07:40,966 --> 00:07:42,566 WE ARE READY, WE ARE IN THIS 275 00:07:42,633 --> 00:07:44,300 SPIRIT. 276 00:07:44,366 --> 00:07:44,833 >> YEP. 277 00:07:44,900 --> 00:07:45,400 WE ARE. 278 00:07:45,466 --> 00:07:47,233 >> THIS IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE 279 00:07:47,300 --> 00:07:49,933 SHOWS WE DO EVERY SINGLE YEAR. 280 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:51,366 >> I THINK IT'S... 281 00:07:51,433 --> 00:07:52,566 FUN. 282 00:07:52,633 --> 00:07:53,100 >> DOING GOOD. 283 00:07:53,166 --> 00:07:55,200 DOING REAL GOOD. 284 00:07:55,266 --> 00:07:56,733 >> ALL RIGHTS. 285 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,133 >> HOW ARE YOU DOING. 286 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:00,366 >> GOOD. 287 00:08:00,433 --> 00:08:01,666 >> NOT A LOT OF CHANGE FROM 288 00:08:01,733 --> 00:08:01,933 YESTERDAY. 289 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:06,566 IT'S GOOD MORNING. 290 00:08:06,633 --> 00:08:07,900 >> HOW WAS THE DAY? 291 00:08:07,966 --> 00:08:08,100 GOOD? 292 00:08:08,166 --> 00:08:10,666 >> AGAIN, GOOD. 293 00:08:10,733 --> 00:08:11,566 >> John: MOVING ON. 294 00:08:11,633 --> 00:08:12,200 OUR MAIN STORY TONIGHT CONCERNS 295 00:08:12,266 --> 00:08:12,833 A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS THAT'S 296 00:08:12,900 --> 00:08:13,900 EXPOSED THE FAILURE OF AMERICAN 297 00:08:13,966 --> 00:08:14,533 INSTITUTIONS. 298 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:15,266 NO, NOT THAT ONE. 299 00:08:15,333 --> 00:08:15,966 NOT THAT ONE EITHER. 300 00:08:16,033 --> 00:08:16,533 THAT'S A GOOD POINT, BUT NOT 301 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,433 ACTUALLY THIS TIME. 302 00:08:18,500 --> 00:08:19,400 YEP, THERE IT IS. 303 00:08:19,466 --> 00:08:19,900 THE OPIOID EPIDEMIC. 304 00:08:19,966 --> 00:08:20,600 AND IF YOU'RE THINKING, "HOLD 305 00:08:20,666 --> 00:08:21,333 ON, DIDN'T YOU ALREADY DO A SHOW 306 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:22,166 ABOUT THIS?" 307 00:08:22,233 --> 00:08:23,600 YOU'RE WRONG. 308 00:08:23,666 --> 00:08:24,933 WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE TWO OF THEM, 309 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:25,833 BUT WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE WORTH 310 00:08:25,900 --> 00:08:26,833 DOING A THIRD INSTALLMENT 311 00:08:26,900 --> 00:08:29,366 TONIGHT FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. 312 00:08:29,433 --> 00:08:30,766 FIRST, IT'S AN EPIDEMIC THAT'S 313 00:08:30,833 --> 00:08:32,633 STILL VERY MUCH RAGING, 314 00:08:32,700 --> 00:08:34,733 EXACERBATED BY BOTH THE PANDEMIC 315 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:36,766 AND ILLICIT FENTANYL, TO THE 316 00:08:36,833 --> 00:08:38,266 POINT THAT LAST YEAR, NEARLY 317 00:08:38,333 --> 00:08:39,866 70,000 PEOPLE DIED FROM OPIOID 318 00:08:39,933 --> 00:08:44,000 OVERDOSES. 319 00:08:44,066 --> 00:08:44,733 THAT IS THE HIGHEST ANNUAL DEATH 320 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:45,766 TOLL EVER. 321 00:08:45,833 --> 00:08:46,533 AND SECOND, YOU MAY HAVE SEEN A 322 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:47,500 BUNCH OF HEADLINES RECENTLY 323 00:08:47,566 --> 00:08:48,400 ABOUT TRIALS AND SETTLEMENTS 324 00:08:48,466 --> 00:08:49,500 TAKING PLACE AROUND THE COUNTRY. 325 00:08:49,566 --> 00:08:53,266 THERE'VE BEEN SO MANY, IT CAN BE 326 00:08:53,333 --> 00:08:54,500 GENUINELY BE HARD TO KEEP TRACK. 327 00:08:54,566 --> 00:08:56,600 BUT WE WANT TO FOCUS ON JUST ONE 328 00:08:56,666 --> 00:08:58,400 COMPANY TONIGHT: PURDUE PHARMA, 329 00:08:58,466 --> 00:08:59,966 WHOSE ROLLOUT OF OXYCONTIN 330 00:09:00,033 --> 00:09:01,133 ARGUABLY FUELED THE OPIOID 331 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:02,333 CRISIS. 332 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:03,933 WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THEIR 333 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:05,100 RELENTLESS PUSH TO SELL 334 00:09:05,166 --> 00:09:06,400 OXYCONTIN BEFORE, BUT MORE 335 00:09:06,466 --> 00:09:07,500 MATERIAL HAS COME OUT IN THE 336 00:09:07,566 --> 00:09:09,066 LAST COUPLE OF YEARS -- 337 00:09:09,133 --> 00:09:10,533 INCLUDING THIS SPECTACULAR 338 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:11,900 GLIMPSE INTO A 1997 MOTIVATIONAL 339 00:09:11,966 --> 00:09:12,966 SALES MEETING FOR THE COMPANY'S 340 00:09:13,033 --> 00:09:14,966 DRUG REPS: 341 00:09:15,033 --> 00:09:15,733 >> ♪ YOU KNOW, YOU MAKE ME WANT 342 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:16,333 TO SELL! ♪ 343 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:17,666 ♪ OXYCONTIN! ♪ 344 00:09:17,733 --> 00:09:19,333 ♪ MS CONTIN! ♪ 345 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:20,400 ♪ SETTLE DOWN NOW! ♪ 346 00:09:20,466 --> 00:09:22,200 ♪ SETTLE DOWN NOW! ♪ 347 00:09:22,266 --> 00:09:25,233 ♪ WE'RE PURDUE NOW! ♪ 348 00:09:25,300 --> 00:09:25,733 >> ♪ SELL! ♪ 349 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:26,400 >> ♪ ME AND YOU NOW! ♪ 350 00:09:26,466 --> 00:09:27,033 >> ♪ SELL! ♪ 351 00:09:27,100 --> 00:09:27,900 >> ♪ COME ON NOW! ♪ 352 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:28,866 >> ♪ SELL! ♪ 353 00:09:28,933 --> 00:09:29,900 >> ♪ COME ON NOW! ♪ 354 00:09:29,966 --> 00:09:30,433 >> ♪ SELL! ♪ 355 00:09:30,500 --> 00:09:31,533 >> ♪ COME ON NOW! ♪ 356 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:38,366 >> ♪ SELL! ♪ 357 00:09:38,433 --> 00:09:40,900 >> John: WOW. 358 00:09:40,966 --> 00:09:42,100 THAT WAS PURDUE'S VP OF SALES 359 00:09:42,166 --> 00:09:43,933 PERFORMING AN OXY-THEMED COVER 360 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,100 OF "SHOUT!" 361 00:09:45,166 --> 00:09:46,466 AND THAT HAS GOT TO BE THE ONE 362 00:09:46,533 --> 00:09:47,633 OF THE MOST UPSETTING DECISIONS 363 00:09:47,700 --> 00:09:49,300 FROM THE LATE '90s, RIGHT UP 364 00:09:49,366 --> 00:09:50,300 THERE WITH, "GIVE EVERY LONELY 365 00:09:50,366 --> 00:09:51,933 CHILD AN ELECTRONIC IMAGINARY 366 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,600 FRIEND THAT WILL IMMEDIATELY 367 00:09:53,666 --> 00:09:54,733 DIE," AND "LET'S SET EVERY 368 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:55,866 SITCOM IN NEW YORK CITY. 369 00:09:55,933 --> 00:09:57,166 AND MAKE SURE THE TWIN TOWERS 370 00:09:57,233 --> 00:09:58,833 ARE PROMINENTLY FEATURED IN THE 371 00:09:58,900 --> 00:10:00,366 TRANSITION SHOTS, REALLY REMIND 372 00:10:00,433 --> 00:10:03,100 PEOPLE THEY'RE THERE." 373 00:10:03,166 --> 00:10:05,166 PURDUE PHARMA IS OWNED BY THE 374 00:10:05,233 --> 00:10:06,166 SACKLER FAMILY, AND IN RECENT 375 00:10:06,233 --> 00:10:07,400 YEARS, PURDUE AND THE SACKLERS 376 00:10:07,466 --> 00:10:08,900 HAVE FOUND THEMSELVES BEING 377 00:10:08,966 --> 00:10:10,200 INVESTIGATED BY THE DOJ AND 378 00:10:10,266 --> 00:10:12,400 FACING THOUSANDS OF LAWSUITS 379 00:10:12,466 --> 00:10:14,033 FILED BY STATE AND LOCAL 380 00:10:14,100 --> 00:10:15,033 GOVERNMENTS, NATIVE AMERICAN 381 00:10:15,100 --> 00:10:16,500 TRIBES, HOSPITALS, AND 382 00:10:16,566 --> 00:10:17,600 INDIVIDUALS. 383 00:10:17,666 --> 00:10:18,733 AND THEY'VE SPENT YEARS WORKING 384 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,066 WITH AN ARMY OF LAWYERS, 385 00:10:20,133 --> 00:10:21,900 ATTEMPTING TO NEGOTIATE THEIR 386 00:10:21,966 --> 00:10:23,200 WAY OUT OF ALL OF IT, WHICH HAS 387 00:10:23,266 --> 00:10:25,200 RESULTED IN TWO MAJOR 388 00:10:25,266 --> 00:10:26,266 RESOLUTIONS, INCLUDING THIS BIG 389 00:10:26,333 --> 00:10:28,366 NEWS FROM LAST OCTOBER. 390 00:10:28,433 --> 00:10:29,933 >> IT'S BEING HAILED BY THE 391 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,600 FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AS A MAJOR 392 00:10:31,666 --> 00:10:33,033 VICTORY AGAINST A COMPANY WHOSE 393 00:10:33,100 --> 00:10:34,800 DRUG OXYCONTIN IS PART OF THE 394 00:10:34,866 --> 00:10:36,033 PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS OF OPIOID 395 00:10:36,100 --> 00:10:37,366 ADDICTION THAT HAS LED TO THE 396 00:10:37,433 --> 00:10:38,733 DEATHS OF HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS 397 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:40,300 OF AMERICANS. 398 00:10:40,366 --> 00:10:42,366 >> THE MAKER OF OXYCONTIN 399 00:10:42,433 --> 00:10:43,700 ADMITTED TO DEFRAUDING 400 00:10:43,766 --> 00:10:44,800 REGULATORS AND PAYING ILLEGAL 401 00:10:44,866 --> 00:10:46,566 KICKBACKS TO DOCTORS. 402 00:10:46,633 --> 00:10:47,633 >> John: IT'S TRUE! 403 00:10:47,700 --> 00:10:48,800 PURDUE HAS PLED GUILTY TO 404 00:10:48,866 --> 00:10:51,366 MULTIPLE FELONIES. 405 00:10:51,433 --> 00:10:52,400 AND IT'S WEIRD TO HEAR NEWS THAT 406 00:10:52,466 --> 00:10:57,333 SOUNDS SO GENUINELY GOOD. 407 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:58,733 IT'D BE REALLY NICE TO GET MORE 408 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:00,200 OF THAT ONCE IN A WHILE, LIKE 409 00:11:00,266 --> 00:11:01,533 "NO ONCE-IN-A-CENTURY WEATHER 410 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:02,866 EVENTS FOR THE NEXT FEW HOURS," 411 00:11:02,933 --> 00:11:04,233 OR "BILLIONAIRE GOES TO SPACE 412 00:11:04,300 --> 00:11:05,700 AND DIES THERE." 413 00:11:05,766 --> 00:11:06,866 YOU KNOW, SOMETHING 414 00:11:06,933 --> 00:11:07,500 HEARTWARMING. 415 00:11:07,566 --> 00:11:08,233 THAT GUILTY PLEA WAS ACTUALLY 416 00:11:08,300 --> 00:11:09,000 PART OF A MUCH LARGER PLAN WE'LL 417 00:11:09,066 --> 00:11:10,333 GET INTO LATER, INVOLVING THE 418 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:11,033 COMPANY ALSO FILING FOR 419 00:11:11,100 --> 00:11:12,266 BANKRUPTCY, AND JUST THIS PAST 420 00:11:12,333 --> 00:11:13,166 MARCH, SUBMITTING A 421 00:11:13,233 --> 00:11:14,200 REORGANIZATION PLAN THAT WOULD 422 00:11:14,266 --> 00:11:15,633 END SACKLER OWNERSHIP. 423 00:11:15,700 --> 00:11:19,900 AND THE THING IS, THIS MIGHT ALL 424 00:11:19,966 --> 00:11:20,500 SOUND LIKE A MAJOR VICTORY -- 425 00:11:20,566 --> 00:11:22,933 THAT THE SACKLERS ARE FINALLY 426 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,500 EXPERIENCING SIGNIFICANT 427 00:11:24,566 --> 00:11:26,366 CONSEQUENCES -- BUT 428 00:11:26,433 --> 00:11:27,566 UNFORTUNATELY, THAT COULDN'T BE 429 00:11:27,633 --> 00:11:28,566 FARTHER FROM THE TRUTH. 430 00:11:28,633 --> 00:11:29,566 SO TONIGHT, WITH THE 431 00:11:29,633 --> 00:11:30,733 BANKRUPTCY'S CONFIRMATION 432 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,500 HEARING SCHEDULED TO BEGIN LATER 433 00:11:32,566 --> 00:11:34,133 THIS WEEK, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE 434 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:35,433 SACKLER FAMILY -- HOW HARD 435 00:11:35,500 --> 00:11:36,600 THEY'VE BEEN FIGHTING TO DEFEND 436 00:11:36,666 --> 00:11:37,933 THEIR NAME, THE DETAILS OF THE 437 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,166 DEAL THEY'RE ATTEMPTING TO 438 00:11:39,233 --> 00:11:41,166 STRIKE, AND WHY THE WHOLE THING 439 00:11:41,233 --> 00:11:42,666 IS A BUNCH OF BULLSHIT. 440 00:11:42,733 --> 00:11:44,500 AND LET'S START WITH A BASIC 441 00:11:44,566 --> 00:11:47,466 QUESTION: WHO ARE THE SACKLERS? 442 00:11:47,533 --> 00:11:48,566 WELL, THE SACKLERS ARE THE 443 00:11:48,633 --> 00:11:51,100 DESCENDANTS OF THREE BROTHERS -- 444 00:11:51,166 --> 00:11:53,000 ARTHUR, RAYMOND, AND MORTIMER -- 445 00:11:53,066 --> 00:11:54,000 WHO IN 1952 BOUGHT THE COMPANY 446 00:11:54,066 --> 00:11:55,266 THAT WOULD EVENTUALLY BECOME 447 00:11:55,333 --> 00:11:56,833 PURDUE PHARMA. 448 00:11:56,900 --> 00:11:58,566 AND WHILE ARTHUR'S BRANCH OF THE 449 00:11:58,633 --> 00:11:59,833 FAMILY SOLD THEIR STAKE DECADES 450 00:11:59,900 --> 00:12:01,600 AGO, BEFORE OXYCONTIN WAS 451 00:12:01,666 --> 00:12:02,800 DEVELOPED, THE HEIRS OF RAYMOND 452 00:12:02,866 --> 00:12:04,933 AND MORTIMER BOTH BENEFITED 453 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,066 FROM, AND IN SOME CASES ACTIVELY 454 00:12:07,133 --> 00:12:08,300 MANAGED, PURDUE'S BOOM YEARS OF 455 00:12:08,366 --> 00:12:10,733 SELLING OPIOIDS. 456 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:15,400 MANY SACKLERS EITHER WORKED AT 457 00:12:15,466 --> 00:12:16,400 THE COMPANY OR SERVED ON ITS 458 00:12:16,466 --> 00:12:17,133 BOARD, AND AS THE MASSACHUSETTS 459 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:18,100 A.G. POINTS OUT, SOME OF THEM 460 00:12:18,166 --> 00:12:20,933 WERE PRETTY HANDS-ON. 461 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:21,900 >> THEY WERE IN THE BOARDROOM. 462 00:12:21,966 --> 00:12:23,166 THEY OWNED THE COMPANY. 463 00:12:23,233 --> 00:12:24,400 WE HAVE EMAILS AND MEMOS THAT 464 00:12:24,466 --> 00:12:26,100 SHOW THE DIRECT CONTROL THAT 465 00:12:26,166 --> 00:12:27,466 THEY EXERCISED OVER SALES AND 466 00:12:27,533 --> 00:12:29,466 MARKETING. 467 00:12:29,533 --> 00:12:31,066 ONE OF THE SACKLER FAMILY 468 00:12:31,133 --> 00:12:32,366 MEMBERS WENT SO FAR AS TO WANT 469 00:12:32,433 --> 00:12:34,400 TO GET IN THE CAR WITH PURDUE'S 470 00:12:34,466 --> 00:12:36,333 SALES REPS AND DRIVE AROUND TO 471 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:44,300 VISIT DOCTORS' OFFICES. 472 00:12:44,366 --> 00:12:45,633 >> John: IT'S TRUE, AND DOING A 473 00:12:45,700 --> 00:12:46,766 DRUG REP RIDE-ALONG IS ABOUT AS 474 00:12:46,833 --> 00:12:47,900 HANDS-ON AS YOU CAN GET. 475 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:48,500 AND QUICK SIDE NOTE, SPARE A 476 00:12:48,566 --> 00:12:49,500 THOUGHT FOR THE SALES REP IN 477 00:12:49,566 --> 00:12:49,866 QUESTION THERE. 478 00:12:49,933 --> 00:12:50,466 SURE, THEY TOO CONTRIBUTED TO 479 00:12:50,533 --> 00:12:51,333 THE OVER-PRESCRIPTION OF AMERICA 480 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:52,100 AND PROBABLY LED TO THEIR OWN 481 00:12:52,166 --> 00:12:53,500 LOCAL MINI-EPIDEMIC, BUT 482 00:12:53,566 --> 00:12:55,200 NOBODY -- NOT EVEN HITLER -- 483 00:12:55,266 --> 00:12:56,733 SHOULD HAVE TO SIT IN A CAR WITH 484 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:57,766 THEIR BOSS. 485 00:12:57,833 --> 00:12:58,800 AND TALK ABOUT WHAT? 486 00:12:58,866 --> 00:13:00,900 THE WEATHER? 487 00:13:00,966 --> 00:13:01,700 AND THEN, WHEN YOU RUN OUT OF 488 00:13:01,766 --> 00:13:03,533 THINGS TO SAY ABOUT IT, DO WHAT? 489 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:04,533 SIT IN SILENCE? 490 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:05,633 AND THEN SAY, "ACTUALLY, I COULD 491 00:13:05,700 --> 00:13:06,600 GO FOR A BATHROOM BREAK RIGHT 492 00:13:06,666 --> 00:13:07,666 NOW," AND HAVE HIM SAY, "I'M 493 00:13:07,733 --> 00:13:09,533 FINE, BUT FEEL FREE TO STOP?" 494 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:10,566 AND THEN, WHAT -- YOU STOP? 495 00:13:10,633 --> 00:13:12,166 AND HE WAITS IN THE CAR? 496 00:13:12,233 --> 00:13:13,333 AND THEN WHEN YOU GET BACK HE 497 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:17,900 LOOKS INCONVENIENCED? 498 00:13:17,966 --> 00:13:19,333 I WOULD SOONER THROW MYSELF OUT 499 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:19,966 OF THE CAR IN THE MIDDLE OF THE 500 00:13:20,033 --> 00:13:20,533 FREEWAY. 501 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:21,200 NOW, THE MAN RESPONSIBLE FOR 502 00:13:21,266 --> 00:13:22,166 THAT RIDE-ALONG WAS RICHARD 503 00:13:22,233 --> 00:13:23,100 SACKLER, WHO WAS ACTUALLY 504 00:13:23,166 --> 00:13:24,133 PRESIDENT OF THE COMPANY FOR 505 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:25,633 YEARS. 506 00:13:25,700 --> 00:13:26,566 AND YET, INTERESTINGLY, IT'S 507 00:13:26,633 --> 00:13:27,700 HARD TO FIND IMAGES OF HIM OTHER 508 00:13:27,766 --> 00:13:29,200 THAN THAT ONE. 509 00:13:29,266 --> 00:13:31,000 IN FACT, WHILE THE SACKLERS HAVE 510 00:13:31,066 --> 00:13:33,000 RELISHED SLAPPING THEIR FAMILY 511 00:13:33,066 --> 00:13:34,466 NAME ON INSTITUTIONS, AS 512 00:13:34,533 --> 00:13:35,500 INDIVIDUALS, THEY'VE TRIED TO 513 00:13:35,566 --> 00:13:37,833 STAY OUT OF THE SPOTLIGHT. 514 00:13:37,900 --> 00:13:39,133 WHEN RICHARD SACKLER GAVE A 515 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,000 DEPOSITION IN 2015, PURDUE 516 00:13:41,066 --> 00:13:43,533 FOUGHT HARD TO KEEP IT PRIVATE. 517 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:45,366 THAT'S WHY, IN OUR LAST PIECE, 518 00:13:45,433 --> 00:13:47,200 WE HAD A BUNCH OF ACTORS PLAY 519 00:13:47,266 --> 00:13:48,600 HIM TO CONVEY IMPORTANT THINGS 520 00:13:48,666 --> 00:13:50,000 LIKE THE FACT HE'D SAID "I DON'T 521 00:13:50,066 --> 00:13:52,466 KNOW" MORE THAN 100 TIMES. 522 00:13:52,533 --> 00:13:54,433 THANKFULLY, THAT DEPOSITION HAS 523 00:13:54,500 --> 00:13:55,200 SINCE BEEN RELEASED, SO YOU CAN 524 00:13:55,266 --> 00:13:58,300 FINALLY WATCH THE MAN IN ACTION. 525 00:13:58,366 --> 00:14:00,200 >> HOW MUCH MONEY HAS PURDUE 526 00:14:00,266 --> 00:14:01,200 FREDERICK OR PURDUE PHARMA MADE 527 00:14:01,266 --> 00:14:02,533 OFF THE SALE OF OXYCONTIN? 528 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,333 >> I DON'T KNOW. 529 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:05,233 I DON'T KNOW. 530 00:14:05,300 --> 00:14:06,633 I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER. 531 00:14:06,700 --> 00:14:11,500 I DON'T KNOW. 532 00:14:11,566 --> 00:14:12,200 I DON'T KNOW BUT -- I JUST DON'T 533 00:14:12,266 --> 00:14:13,466 KNOW. 534 00:14:13,533 --> 00:14:17,400 >> John: ADMIT IT -- 535 00:14:17,466 --> 00:14:18,233 THE GUY JUST OOZES CHARISMA. 536 00:14:18,300 --> 00:14:18,666 ALTHOUGH HONESTLY? 537 00:14:18,733 --> 00:14:19,866 HAVING ACTUALLY SEEN IT, I THINK 538 00:14:19,933 --> 00:14:21,566 I PREFER THE VERSION WE MADE: 539 00:14:21,633 --> 00:14:22,766 >> HOW MUCH MONEY HAS PURDUE 540 00:14:22,833 --> 00:14:23,866 FREDERICK OR PURDUE PHARMA MADE 541 00:14:23,933 --> 00:14:25,600 OFF THE SALE OF OXYCONTIN? 542 00:14:25,666 --> 00:14:26,933 >> I DUNNO. 543 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:27,700 I DUNNO. 544 00:14:27,766 --> 00:14:28,133 I DON'T KNOW. 545 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,266 I DON'T KNOW. 546 00:14:30,333 --> 00:14:31,500 I DON'T KNOW. 547 00:14:31,566 --> 00:14:32,133 >> HOW MANY PURDUE ENTITIES ARE 548 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:32,866 THERE? 549 00:14:32,933 --> 00:14:34,100 >> I DUNNO! 550 00:14:34,166 --> 00:14:35,566 >> John: YEAH, THAT'S JUST 551 00:14:35,633 --> 00:14:37,166 OBJECTIVELY BETTER. 552 00:14:37,233 --> 00:14:38,266 NOW, WHILE RICHARD WAS THE MOST 553 00:14:38,333 --> 00:14:40,833 INVOLVED, HE WASN'T ALONE. 554 00:14:40,900 --> 00:14:42,333 HIS COUSIN KATHE SACKLER WAS AN 555 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:44,033 OFFICER OF THE COMPANY FOR YEARS 556 00:14:44,100 --> 00:14:45,400 AND EVEN CLAIMED IN EMAILS THAT 557 00:14:45,466 --> 00:14:46,633 DEVELOPING OXYCONTIN WAS HER 558 00:14:46,700 --> 00:14:50,133 IDEA. 559 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:51,433 ALTHOUGH, DESPITE THAT, WHEN 560 00:14:51,500 --> 00:14:52,500 KATHE WAS CALLED BEFORE CONGRESS 561 00:14:52,566 --> 00:14:53,466 LAST YEAR AND ASKED TO APOLOGIZE 562 00:14:53,533 --> 00:14:54,600 FOR HER ROLE IN THE OPIOID 563 00:14:54,666 --> 00:14:55,500 CRISIS, SHE DIDN'T EXACTLY DO 564 00:14:55,566 --> 00:14:58,200 THAT. 565 00:14:58,266 --> 00:15:00,466 >> I HAVE TRIED TO FIGURE OUT, 566 00:15:00,533 --> 00:15:02,333 WAS -- IS THERE ANYTHING THAT I 567 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,733 COULD HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY 568 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:06,766 KNOWING WHAT I KNEW THEN, NOT 569 00:15:06,833 --> 00:15:09,933 WHAT I KNOW NOW. 570 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:14,266 I HAVE TO SAY, I CAN'T -- THERE 571 00:15:14,333 --> 00:15:16,100 IS NOTHING THAT I CAN FIND THAT 572 00:15:16,166 --> 00:15:20,733 I WOULD HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY. 573 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:21,366 >> John: OKAY, FIRST, THAT'S NOT 574 00:15:21,433 --> 00:15:22,366 AN APOLOGY, KATHE. 575 00:15:22,433 --> 00:15:23,433 AND SECOND, COME ON -- NEARLY A 576 00:15:23,500 --> 00:15:24,766 YEAR INTO A PANDEMIC, THAT'S AN 577 00:15:24,833 --> 00:15:26,366 UNACCEPTABLE AT-HOME SETUP. 578 00:15:26,433 --> 00:15:27,566 PUT YOUR LAPTOP ON A COUPLE 579 00:15:27,633 --> 00:15:28,466 BOOKS. 580 00:15:28,533 --> 00:15:29,466 UPGRADE YOUR ROUTER. 581 00:15:29,533 --> 00:15:30,566 AND WHILE YOU'RE AT IT, 582 00:15:30,633 --> 00:15:34,333 ONE-CLICK A RING LIGHT. 583 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:35,000 SO, KATHE, THAT'S BOOKS, ROUTER, 584 00:15:35,066 --> 00:15:35,500 RING LIGHT. 585 00:15:35,566 --> 00:15:36,633 IT'S THE LITTLE ZOOM TRICKS 586 00:15:36,700 --> 00:15:37,300 WE'VE ALL LEARNED THAT'LL HELP 587 00:15:37,366 --> 00:15:38,166 YOU LOOK YOUR BEST AS YOU 588 00:15:38,233 --> 00:15:39,100 ABSOLVE YOURSELF OF 589 00:15:39,166 --> 00:15:40,000 RESPONSIBILITY FOR A MASSIVE 590 00:15:40,066 --> 00:15:41,800 PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS. 591 00:15:41,866 --> 00:15:43,000 BUT THE SACKLERS HAVEN'T JUST 592 00:15:43,066 --> 00:15:44,333 BEEN APPEARING AT CONGRESSIONAL 593 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:45,600 HEARINGS. 594 00:15:45,666 --> 00:15:47,033 SOME HAVE BEEN WORKING HARD TO 595 00:15:47,100 --> 00:15:50,533 REHABILITATE THEIR IMAGE AND 596 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:51,600 EVEN PAINT THEMSELVES AS 597 00:15:51,666 --> 00:15:54,233 VICTIMS. 598 00:15:54,300 --> 00:15:57,600 TAKE DAVID SACKLER. 599 00:15:57,666 --> 00:15:59,000 HE'S RICHARD'S SON AND A FORMER 600 00:15:59,066 --> 00:15:59,466 BOARD MEMBER HIMSELF. 601 00:15:59,533 --> 00:16:00,266 HE GAVE AN INTERVIEW TO 602 00:16:00,333 --> 00:16:00,966 "VANITY FAIR" FEATURING THIS 603 00:16:01,033 --> 00:16:01,566 PORTRAIT, WHICH LOOKS LIKE IT 604 00:16:01,633 --> 00:16:02,233 SHOULD BE A POSTER FOR 605 00:16:02,300 --> 00:16:03,066 NATURAL FAMILY PLANNING IN A 606 00:16:03,133 --> 00:16:05,133 CHRISTIAN HEALTH CLINIC. 607 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:06,900 AND IN IT, HE COMPLAINED, 608 00:16:06,966 --> 00:16:08,266 "MY FOUR-YEAR-OLD CAME HOME FROM 609 00:16:08,333 --> 00:16:10,266 NURSERY SCHOOL AND ASKED, 610 00:16:10,333 --> 00:16:11,533 'WHY ARE MY FRIENDS TELLING ME 611 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:12,766 THAT OUR FAMILY'S WORK IS 612 00:16:12,833 --> 00:16:15,200 KILLING PEOPLE?'" WHICH DOESN'T 613 00:16:15,266 --> 00:16:16,900 SEEM REMOTELY CREDIBLE. 614 00:16:16,966 --> 00:16:18,333 FOR A START, EVERYONE KNOWS 615 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:19,433 THAT'S NOT HOW FOUR-YEAR-OLDS 616 00:16:19,500 --> 00:16:20,866 TALK. 617 00:16:20,933 --> 00:16:23,633 YOU'RE MISSING 8 "UMS," 618 00:16:23,700 --> 00:16:24,666 15 "AND, AND, ANDS," 3 TIMES 619 00:16:24,733 --> 00:16:25,900 THEY'RE COMPLETELY OUT OF BREATH 620 00:16:25,966 --> 00:16:26,466 FOR NO REASON, AND 5 COMPLETE 621 00:16:26,533 --> 00:16:27,800 TRAIL-OFFS. 622 00:16:27,866 --> 00:16:29,233 I CALL BULLSHIT ON THAT FAKE 623 00:16:29,300 --> 00:16:31,666 ANECDOTE. 624 00:16:31,733 --> 00:16:33,233 BUT THAT'S JUST THE BEGINNING. 625 00:16:33,300 --> 00:16:36,233 DAVID'S BRANCH OF THE FAMILY WAS 626 00:16:36,300 --> 00:16:37,333 ALSO INVOLVED IN THE LAUNCH OF A 627 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:38,733 PRO-SACKLER WEBSITE THAT AIMS TO 628 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,200 "CORRECT THE RECORD," CALLED 629 00:16:41,266 --> 00:16:42,333 JudgeForYourselves.info, 630 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:43,000 WHICH IS SHOCKING FOR A NUMBER 631 00:16:43,066 --> 00:16:44,200 OF REASONS. 632 00:16:44,266 --> 00:16:45,600 FIRST, BECAUSE BILLIONAIRES, FOR 633 00:16:45,666 --> 00:16:46,433 SOME REASON, CHOSE NOT TO 634 00:16:46,500 --> 00:16:49,733 SPLURGE FOR THE DOT-COM, BUT 635 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:50,366 ALSO BECAUSE OF JUST HOW PETTY 636 00:16:50,433 --> 00:16:52,066 THE WEBSITE IS. 637 00:16:52,133 --> 00:16:53,633 IT FEATURES A LIST OF OUTLETS 638 00:16:53,700 --> 00:16:55,766 THAT MISTAKENLY USED THE BRAND 639 00:16:55,833 --> 00:16:57,233 NAME "OXYCONTIN" WHEN THEY MEANT 640 00:16:57,300 --> 00:16:58,600 THE GENERIC "OXYCODONE," 641 00:16:58,666 --> 00:17:01,333 INCLUDING A COLLEGE NEWSPAPER, 642 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:02,600 AND OVER SEVEN HOURS OF VIDEO 643 00:17:02,666 --> 00:17:04,366 PRESENTATIONS IN WHICH A 644 00:17:04,433 --> 00:17:06,200 CATASTROPHICALLY UNCHARISMATIC 645 00:17:06,266 --> 00:17:07,600 LAWYER ATTEMPTS TO DISPROVE 646 00:17:07,666 --> 00:17:09,433 EVERY LEGAL ARGUMENT EVER MADE 647 00:17:09,500 --> 00:17:12,333 AGAINST THE SACKLERS AND PURDUE. 648 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,566 THIS TERRIBLE WEBSITE OF 649 00:17:15,633 --> 00:17:17,000 SELF-SERVING NONSENSE HAS BEEN 650 00:17:17,066 --> 00:17:19,300 PROMOTED BY, AMONG OTHERS, 651 00:17:19,366 --> 00:17:20,766 JOSS SACKLER, DAVID'S WIFE, WHO 652 00:17:20,833 --> 00:17:21,566 YOU MAY REMEMBER FROM HER 653 00:17:21,633 --> 00:17:22,366 FAILURE TO FACE THE CAMERA IN 654 00:17:22,433 --> 00:17:25,400 "VANITY FAIR." 655 00:17:25,466 --> 00:17:30,566 NOW, EVEN THOUGH JOSS ISN'T 656 00:17:30,633 --> 00:17:33,400 DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN THE FAMILY 657 00:17:33,466 --> 00:17:35,433 BUSINESS, SHE ACTUALLY TALKS 658 00:17:35,500 --> 00:17:35,966 PUBLICLY MORE THAN MOST 659 00:17:36,033 --> 00:17:36,733 SACKLERS. 660 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:37,333 SHE HAS A CLOTHING LINE CALLED 661 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:38,200 "LBV," OR "LES BOULEDOGUES 662 00:17:38,266 --> 00:17:38,800 VIGNERONNES," WHICH TRANSLATES 663 00:17:38,866 --> 00:17:39,866 TO "THE WINEMAKING BULLDOGS" AND 664 00:17:39,933 --> 00:17:40,333 IS AN OFFSHOOT OF HER 665 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:40,933 "MEMBERS-ONLY WINE AND SOCIAL 666 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:41,700 CLUB." 667 00:17:41,766 --> 00:17:43,633 JOSS WAS ALSO ONCE INTERVIEWED 668 00:17:43,700 --> 00:17:44,333 FOR "TOWN & COUNTRY," IN WHICH 669 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:45,233 SHE COMPLAINED ABOUT HOW 670 00:17:45,300 --> 00:17:46,233 UNFAIRLY THE PRESS TREATS BOTH 671 00:17:46,300 --> 00:17:47,266 HER AND HER FAMILY, NOTING 672 00:17:47,333 --> 00:17:48,633 THAT A PREVIOUS ARTICLE 673 00:17:48,700 --> 00:17:50,533 WOULDN'T REFER TO HER AS 674 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,300 DR. JOSS SACKLER, DESPITE HER 675 00:17:52,366 --> 00:17:53,900 TELLING THEM SHE HAD A Ph.D. IN 676 00:17:53,966 --> 00:17:56,266 LINGUISTICS, GOING ON TO SAY, 677 00:17:56,333 --> 00:17:59,133 "THEY'RE GOING TO REGRET FUCKING 678 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:00,433 WITH A LINGUIST." 679 00:18:00,500 --> 00:18:01,166 AND THAT'S ONE HELL OF A CLAIM, 680 00:18:01,233 --> 00:18:02,400 JOSS. 681 00:18:02,466 --> 00:18:03,933 BECAUSE NOBODY IS INTIMIDATED BY 682 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:05,500 LINGUISTS. 683 00:18:05,566 --> 00:18:06,466 YOU'RE BASICALLY AN ENGLISH 684 00:18:06,533 --> 00:18:08,900 MAJOR WHO WASTED MORE TIME. 685 00:18:08,966 --> 00:18:09,700 I'LL FUCK WITH A LINGUIST ALL 686 00:18:09,766 --> 00:18:10,566 DAY LONG. 687 00:18:10,633 --> 00:18:12,066 I'LL SHOW YOU: HOW DO YOU MAKE 688 00:18:12,133 --> 00:18:13,500 TWO PROPER NOUNS INTO A DOUBLE 689 00:18:13,566 --> 00:18:13,966 NEGATIVE? 690 00:18:14,033 --> 00:18:15,666 JOSS AND DAVID. 691 00:18:15,733 --> 00:18:16,666 BOOM! 692 00:18:16,733 --> 00:18:19,533 LINGUIST, FUCKED WITH. 693 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:20,700 SO TO RECAP, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR: 694 00:18:20,766 --> 00:18:22,133 SOME SACKLERS HAVE BEEN WORKING 695 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,300 EXTREMELY HARD TO TRY AND 696 00:18:24,366 --> 00:18:25,700 ENGENDER PUBLIC SYMPATHY. 697 00:18:25,766 --> 00:18:26,700 BUT THE REAL BATTLE THE FAMILY'S 698 00:18:26,766 --> 00:18:27,800 BEEN FIGHTING HAS BEEN A LEGAL 699 00:18:27,866 --> 00:18:29,433 ONE. 700 00:18:29,500 --> 00:18:30,500 AND THAT IS WHAT I WANT TO SPEND 701 00:18:30,566 --> 00:18:31,666 THE REST OF THIS PIECE TALKING 702 00:18:31,733 --> 00:18:32,533 ABOUT, BECAUSE WHILE THE DETAILS 703 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,433 OF WHAT THE SACKLERS ARE DOING 704 00:18:34,500 --> 00:18:36,133 ARE INCREDIBLY COMPLICATED, THE 705 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,300 END RESULT IS BOTH SIMPLE AND 706 00:18:38,366 --> 00:18:41,700 ABSOLUTELY INFURIATING. 707 00:18:41,766 --> 00:18:44,066 AND LET'S START WITH THAT DEAL 708 00:18:44,133 --> 00:18:45,600 YOU HEARD ABOUT EARLIER, WHERE 709 00:18:45,666 --> 00:18:47,000 PURDUE PLED GUILTY TO THREE 710 00:18:47,066 --> 00:18:48,466 FELONIES. 711 00:18:48,533 --> 00:18:50,266 IT SOUNDED LIKE SOME GOOD NEWS. 712 00:18:50,333 --> 00:18:51,566 BUT THERE ARE SOME MAJOR 713 00:18:51,633 --> 00:18:52,866 ASTERISKS THERE, BECAUSE WHILE 714 00:18:52,933 --> 00:18:54,366 THE COMPANY PLED GUILTY TO THOSE 715 00:18:54,433 --> 00:18:56,100 CHARGES, NO INDIVIDUALS DID -- 716 00:18:56,166 --> 00:18:58,000 AND CERTAINLY NO SACKLERS. 717 00:18:58,066 --> 00:19:00,266 AND THAT ALONE IS A BIG DEAL TO 718 00:19:00,333 --> 00:19:01,966 THEM. 719 00:19:02,033 --> 00:19:03,566 IN FACT, JUST WATCH AS KATHE 720 00:19:03,633 --> 00:19:05,033 JUMPED TO REMIND EVERYONE OF 721 00:19:05,100 --> 00:19:06,600 THAT FACT DURING HER 722 00:19:06,666 --> 00:19:08,100 CONGRESSIONAL HEARING. 723 00:19:08,166 --> 00:19:10,133 >> THE SACKLER FAMILY, THROUGH 724 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:11,566 PURDUE, HAS THREE FELONY 725 00:19:11,633 --> 00:19:13,366 CONVICTIONS, BUT NO ONE'S IN 726 00:19:13,433 --> 00:19:14,166 JAIL AND IT HAS ITS BILLIONS 727 00:19:14,233 --> 00:19:15,366 STILL. 728 00:19:15,433 --> 00:19:16,600 >> EXCUSE ME, THE SACKLER FAMILY 729 00:19:16,666 --> 00:19:18,233 DOESN'T HAVE A FELONY 730 00:19:18,300 --> 00:19:19,766 CONVICTION. 731 00:19:19,833 --> 00:19:21,000 PURDUE PHARMA HAS A FELONY 732 00:19:21,066 --> 00:19:22,766 CONVICTION. 733 00:19:22,833 --> 00:19:28,466 I'M AN INDIVIDUAL PERSON. 734 00:19:28,533 --> 00:19:32,333 >> John: OKAY, HOLD ON. 735 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:32,966 I DO GET THE POINT SHE'S MAKING, 736 00:19:33,033 --> 00:19:33,600 BUT THE FACT IS, PURDUE IS MADE 737 00:19:33,666 --> 00:19:34,433 UP OF INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE WHO 738 00:19:34,500 --> 00:19:34,800 CONTROL IT. 739 00:19:34,866 --> 00:19:35,966 THINK OF PURDUE LIKE LAMBCHOP. 740 00:19:36,033 --> 00:19:36,833 IF LAMBCHOP THREATENED TO KILL 741 00:19:36,900 --> 00:19:38,433 THE PRESIDENT ON LIVE TV, 742 00:19:38,500 --> 00:19:39,666 LAMBCHOP WOULDN'T GET IN TROUBLE 743 00:19:39,733 --> 00:19:40,766 OR GO TO PRISON. 744 00:19:40,833 --> 00:19:41,833 SHARI LEWIS WOULD. 745 00:19:41,900 --> 00:19:42,633 WHY? 746 00:19:42,700 --> 00:19:46,700 BECAUSE LAMBCHOP IS A PUPPET 747 00:19:46,766 --> 00:19:47,533 WHO DOES WHATEVER THE FUCK 748 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:48,333 SHARI LEWIS TELLS LAMBCHOP 749 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:48,733 TO DO. 750 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:50,000 NOW, THE SACKLERS MIGHT ARGUE 751 00:19:50,066 --> 00:19:50,733 THAT PURDUE WAS CONTROLLED BY 752 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:52,166 MANY PEOPLE -- INCLUDING 753 00:19:52,233 --> 00:19:53,433 NON-FAMILY MEMBERS -- AND THAT 754 00:19:53,500 --> 00:19:54,233 WHILE THEY'RE NOT FACING 755 00:19:54,300 --> 00:19:55,933 CRIMINAL CHARGES, THEY'RE STILL 756 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:56,966 FACING CONSEQUENCES. 757 00:19:57,033 --> 00:19:59,000 BUT HERE'S THE THING: ARE THEY? 758 00:19:59,066 --> 00:20:02,066 REALLY? 759 00:20:02,133 --> 00:20:04,166 AND THAT BRINGS US BACK TO THE 760 00:20:04,233 --> 00:20:06,066 BANKRUPTCY I MENTIONED EARLIER. 761 00:20:06,133 --> 00:20:07,600 BECAUSE THE BANKRUPTCY DEAL 762 00:20:07,666 --> 00:20:08,566 PURDUE HAS PROPOSED IS THE 763 00:20:08,633 --> 00:20:09,533 VEHICLE THROUGH WHICH THE 764 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:10,700 SACKLERS ARE LIKELY TO ESCAPE 765 00:20:10,766 --> 00:20:14,733 ANY TRUE ACCOUNTABILITY. 766 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:15,500 VERY BASICALLY, PURDUE WAS 767 00:20:15,566 --> 00:20:17,133 BURIED IN THOUSANDS OF LAWSUITS, 768 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:18,200 AND RATHER THAN FIGHTING THEM 769 00:20:18,266 --> 00:20:19,600 ALL SEPARATELY, THE COMPANY 770 00:20:19,666 --> 00:20:21,400 FILED FOR BANKRUPTCY, 771 00:20:21,466 --> 00:20:22,000 NEGOTIATING TO RESOLVE ALL ITS 772 00:20:22,066 --> 00:20:23,666 DEBTS IN ONE PLACE. 773 00:20:23,733 --> 00:20:25,300 THIS PROPOSED DEAL REQUIRES, 774 00:20:25,366 --> 00:20:26,866 AMONG OTHER THINGS, THE SACKLERS 775 00:20:26,933 --> 00:20:28,766 RELINQUISH OWNERSHIP OF PURDUE, 776 00:20:28,833 --> 00:20:29,600 WHICH WILL BE TURNED INTO A 777 00:20:29,666 --> 00:20:30,733 "PUBLIC BENEFIT COMPANY," WHOSE 778 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:31,866 PROFITS WILL GO TOWARD FIGHTING 779 00:20:31,933 --> 00:20:33,333 THE OPIOID EPIDEMIC. 780 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:34,933 NOW, THE COMPANY CLAIMS THE 781 00:20:35,033 --> 00:20:35,800 BANKRUPTCY WILL DELIVER MORE 782 00:20:35,866 --> 00:20:38,700 THAN $10 BILLION IN VALUE. 783 00:20:38,766 --> 00:20:43,233 BUT A FEW THINGS ABOUT THAT. 784 00:20:43,300 --> 00:20:44,566 FIRST, THE SACKLERS THEMSELVES 785 00:20:44,633 --> 00:20:45,700 ARE ONLY CONTRIBUTING AROUND 786 00:20:45,766 --> 00:20:47,533 $4.3 BILLION TO THAT SETTLEMENT. 787 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,566 WHICH DOES SOUND LIKE A LOT 788 00:20:49,633 --> 00:20:50,900 UNTIL YOU LEARN THE FAMILY HAS 789 00:20:50,966 --> 00:20:52,800 ASSETS OF AROUND $11 BILLION, 790 00:20:52,866 --> 00:20:54,800 WHICH IS A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF 791 00:20:54,866 --> 00:20:56,666 MONEY, BUT I GUESS THAT'S WHAT 792 00:20:56,733 --> 00:20:58,766 HAPPENS WHEN YOUR COMPANY MAKES 793 00:20:58,833 --> 00:21:00,533 A HIGHLY ADDICTIVE PRODUCT AND 794 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:01,566 PUSHES ITS EMPLOYEES TO -- 795 00:21:01,633 --> 00:21:02,333 >> ♪ SELL OXYCONTIN! ♪ 796 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:03,500 ♪ MS CONTIN! ♪ 797 00:21:03,566 --> 00:21:14,333 ♪ SELL! ♪ 798 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:15,433 >> John: I JUST SAW THAT TEN 799 00:21:15,500 --> 00:21:16,600 MINUTES AGO AND SOMEHOW IT'S 800 00:21:16,666 --> 00:21:17,233 GOTTEN EVEN WORSE. 801 00:21:17,300 --> 00:21:21,200 ALSO, YOU MIGHT WANT TO KNOW, A 802 00:21:21,266 --> 00:21:22,133 LOT OF THE SACKLER FAMILY'S NET 803 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:22,800 WORTH WAS BUILT UP IN A 804 00:21:22,866 --> 00:21:23,966 PARTICULAR PERIOD. 805 00:21:24,033 --> 00:21:25,766 BECAUSE FROM 2008 TO 2017, EVEN 806 00:21:25,833 --> 00:21:28,600 AS THE OPIOID EPIDEMIC WAS 807 00:21:28,666 --> 00:21:31,000 KICKING INTO HIGH GEAR, MORE 808 00:21:31,066 --> 00:21:33,066 THAN $10 BILLION WAS TRANSFERRED 809 00:21:33,133 --> 00:21:34,866 OUT OF THE COMPANY FOR THE 810 00:21:34,933 --> 00:21:35,966 BENEFIT OF THE FAMILY. 811 00:21:36,033 --> 00:21:37,633 NOW, THE SACKLERS FIERCELY 812 00:21:37,700 --> 00:21:39,000 MAINTAIN THOSE TRANSFERS WERE 813 00:21:39,066 --> 00:21:40,333 PROPER. 814 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:41,633 BUT THE DOJ ALLEGED THAT THEY 815 00:21:41,700 --> 00:21:42,800 WERE MADE TO HINDER FUTURE 816 00:21:42,866 --> 00:21:43,866 CREDITORS -- IN OTHER WORDS, TO 817 00:21:43,933 --> 00:21:46,933 GET THE MONEY OUT OF THE 818 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,000 COMPANY SO THE SACKLERS COULD 819 00:21:48,066 --> 00:21:51,633 PROTECT IT -- AND THEY FOUND 820 00:21:51,700 --> 00:21:53,233 SOME PRETTY DAMNING EVIDENCE, 821 00:21:53,300 --> 00:21:54,600 PARTICULARLY FROM DAVID SACKLER, 822 00:21:54,666 --> 00:22:00,166 WHO SEEMED TO DIRECTLY EXPRESS 823 00:22:00,233 --> 00:22:00,900 FEARS OVER LAWSUITS TAKING THE 824 00:22:00,966 --> 00:22:01,533 FAMILY MONEY BACK IN 2007, 825 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:02,300 WRITING IN AN EMAIL, 826 00:22:02,366 --> 00:22:03,266 "WE'RE RICH? 827 00:22:03,333 --> 00:22:05,000 FOR HOW LONG? 828 00:22:05,066 --> 00:22:07,133 UNTIL WHICH SUITS GET THROUGH TO 829 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:08,166 THE FAMILY?" 830 00:22:08,233 --> 00:22:08,766 AND DAVID, BUDDY, DON'T SEND 831 00:22:08,833 --> 00:22:10,133 THAT KIND OF THING OVER EMAIL. 832 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:10,700 I MEAN, DON'T SEND IT IN THE 833 00:22:10,766 --> 00:22:11,866 MAIL-MAIL, DON'T SPEAK IT, DON'T 834 00:22:11,933 --> 00:22:13,233 THINK IT, DON'T RECEIVE AN 835 00:22:13,300 --> 00:22:15,066 UPBRINGING THAT WOULD PLANT THE 836 00:22:15,133 --> 00:22:16,766 THOUGHT IN YOUR MIND, AND, IF 837 00:22:16,833 --> 00:22:17,433 YOU COULD, JUST TRY AND AVOID 838 00:22:17,500 --> 00:22:18,333 CONCEPTION ALTOGETHER. 839 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:19,300 BUT BARE MINIMUM, KEEP IT OUT OF 840 00:22:19,366 --> 00:22:21,633 THE PERMANENT LEGAL RECORD. 841 00:22:21,700 --> 00:22:22,533 AND IF YOU'RE THINKING, "OKAY, 842 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:23,500 SO, THEY TRANSFERRED MONEY TO 843 00:22:23,566 --> 00:22:24,200 THE FAMILY. 844 00:22:24,266 --> 00:22:24,866 BUT PEOPLE CAN STILL PURSUE 845 00:22:24,933 --> 00:22:26,100 CLAIMS AGAINST THE SACKLERS 846 00:22:26,166 --> 00:22:27,133 DIRECTLY, RIGHT?" 847 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:28,666 WELL, NO. 848 00:22:28,733 --> 00:22:30,366 BECAUSE HERE'S THE REALLY 849 00:22:30,433 --> 00:22:32,233 INSIDIOUS PART: WHILE THERE ARE 850 00:22:32,300 --> 00:22:34,800 APPROXIMATELY 400 CIVIL SUITS 851 00:22:34,866 --> 00:22:38,033 THAT DO NAME THE SACKLERS 852 00:22:38,100 --> 00:22:39,100 THEMSELVES, THE FAMILY IS 853 00:22:39,166 --> 00:22:40,233 INSISTING THAT THEY WILL ONLY 854 00:22:40,300 --> 00:22:41,200 AGREE TO THIS SETTLEMENT IF THEY 855 00:22:41,266 --> 00:22:42,633 GET WHAT'S CALLED A 856 00:22:42,700 --> 00:22:43,700 NON-CONSENSUAL THIRD-PARTY 857 00:22:43,766 --> 00:22:45,500 RELEASE. 858 00:22:45,566 --> 00:22:47,700 AND THIS THING IS BULLSHIT. 859 00:22:47,766 --> 00:22:49,100 BECAUSE IF THEY GET IT, ALL 860 00:22:49,166 --> 00:22:50,100 CURRENT LAWSUITS AGAINST THE 861 00:22:50,166 --> 00:22:51,500 SACKLERS EVAPORATE AND NO FUTURE 862 00:22:51,566 --> 00:22:54,100 LAWSUITS CAN BE FILED. 863 00:22:54,166 --> 00:22:55,766 MEANING THE SACKLERS -- 864 00:22:55,833 --> 00:22:57,333 WHO DIDN'T FILE FOR PERSONAL 865 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:58,533 BANKRUPTCY THEMSELVES, 866 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,000 REMEMBER -- ARE BASICALLY OFF 867 00:23:00,066 --> 00:23:00,733 THE HOOK. 868 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,133 AND IF IT SOUNDS WEIRD TO YOU 869 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,300 THAT A COMPANY CAN DECLARE 870 00:23:04,366 --> 00:23:06,100 BANKRUPTCY AND THEN A BUNCH OF 871 00:23:06,166 --> 00:23:08,200 INDIVIDUALS GET SHIELDED FROM 872 00:23:08,266 --> 00:23:10,033 LIABILITY, THAT'S BECAUSE IT IS! 873 00:23:10,100 --> 00:23:13,000 IT'S REALLY FUCKING WEIRD! 874 00:23:13,066 --> 00:23:14,066 IN FACT, SOME BANKRUPTCY COURTS 875 00:23:14,133 --> 00:23:15,533 DON'T ALLOW THESE THIRD-PARTY 876 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:16,933 RELEASES AT ALL. 877 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,733 BUT PURDUE VERY CAREFULLY CHOSE 878 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,233 ONE THAT THEY KNEW PROBABLY 879 00:23:20,300 --> 00:23:21,800 WOULD. 880 00:23:21,866 --> 00:23:22,866 A FEW MONTHS BEFORE FILING FOR 881 00:23:22,933 --> 00:23:24,200 BANKRUPTCY, PURDUE CHANGED ONE 882 00:23:24,266 --> 00:23:25,766 OF ITS OFFICIAL CORPORATE 883 00:23:25,833 --> 00:23:26,966 ADDRESSES TO ONE IN WHITE 884 00:23:27,033 --> 00:23:28,800 PLAINS, NEW YORK, AT WHICH IT'S 885 00:23:28,866 --> 00:23:30,400 NEVER CONDUCTED BUSINESS, AND 886 00:23:30,466 --> 00:23:32,600 WHERE THERE IS ONLY ONE 887 00:23:32,666 --> 00:23:34,266 BANKRUPTCY JUDGE, WHO -- 888 00:23:34,333 --> 00:23:36,066 COMPLETELY COINCIDENTALLY -- HAS 889 00:23:36,133 --> 00:23:37,766 SUPPORTED THIRD-PARTY RELEASES 890 00:23:37,833 --> 00:23:39,033 IN THE PAST. 891 00:23:39,100 --> 00:23:40,766 WHICH IS ALL A PRETTY OBVIOUS 892 00:23:40,833 --> 00:23:42,166 TACTIC. 893 00:23:42,233 --> 00:23:43,133 IT'S NOT LIKE THEY MOVED TO 894 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:44,100 WHITE PLAINS FOR ANY OTHER 895 00:23:44,166 --> 00:23:45,400 REASON. 896 00:23:45,466 --> 00:23:46,766 IF YOU LOOK UP "THINGS TO DO IN 897 00:23:46,833 --> 00:23:49,133 WHITE PLAINS" -- AND THIS IS 898 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:50,100 TRUE -- THE FIRST RESULT YOU GET 899 00:23:50,166 --> 00:23:51,166 IS A TRIPADVISOR PAGE 900 00:23:51,233 --> 00:23:52,566 RECOMMENDING A HELICOPTER TOUR 901 00:23:52,633 --> 00:23:58,366 OF NEW YORK CITY. 902 00:23:58,433 --> 00:23:59,166 WHICH IS JUST INCREDIBLE. 903 00:23:59,233 --> 00:24:00,000 "COME VISIT WHITE PLAINS, WHERE 904 00:24:00,066 --> 00:24:00,666 YOU CAN IMMEDIATELY LEAVE AND GO 905 00:24:00,733 --> 00:24:03,266 LOOK AT SOMEWHERE MORE 906 00:24:03,333 --> 00:24:03,833 INTERESTING TO LIVE." 907 00:24:03,900 --> 00:24:05,000 AND THE SACKLERS' THIRD-PARTY 908 00:24:05,066 --> 00:24:05,700 RELEASE IS COMPREHENSIVE, 909 00:24:05,766 --> 00:24:07,066 STATING THAT THE RELEASED 910 00:24:07,133 --> 00:24:08,700 PARTIES SHALL BE CONCLUSIVELY, 911 00:24:08,766 --> 00:24:10,266 ABSOLUTELY, UNCONDITIONALLY, 912 00:24:10,333 --> 00:24:11,300 IRREVOCABLY, FULLY, FINALLY, 913 00:24:11,366 --> 00:24:12,533 FOREVER, AND PERMANENTLY 914 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:13,600 RELEASED FROM ANY AND ALL 915 00:24:13,666 --> 00:24:14,666 CLAIMS, OF ANY KIND, FROM THE 916 00:24:14,733 --> 00:24:17,600 BEGINNING OF TIME. 917 00:24:17,666 --> 00:24:21,000 AND THIS IS THE LIST OF EVERY 918 00:24:21,066 --> 00:24:21,800 PERSON AND ENTITY THEY WANT 919 00:24:21,866 --> 00:24:22,733 COVERED. 920 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,000 IT CONTAINS OVER 200 COMPANIES 921 00:24:24,066 --> 00:24:25,166 AND 200 MORE TRUSTS WHERE THE 922 00:24:25,233 --> 00:24:26,233 SACKLERS HAVE TUCKED THEIR MONEY 923 00:24:26,300 --> 00:24:28,600 AWAY. 924 00:24:28,666 --> 00:24:30,000 THIS RELEASE IS LUDICROUSLY 925 00:24:30,066 --> 00:24:30,933 BROAD, WHICH IS PROBABLY WHY 926 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,100 NINE STATE A.G.s ARE STILL 927 00:24:32,166 --> 00:24:33,066 OBJECTING TO IT, AND TWO 928 00:24:33,133 --> 00:24:35,000 BRANCHES OF THE DOJ HAVE SAID IT 929 00:24:35,066 --> 00:24:37,866 VIOLATES THE U.S. CONSTITUTION 930 00:24:37,933 --> 00:24:40,500 AND SPECIFICALLY VIOLATES DUE 931 00:24:40,566 --> 00:24:47,666 PROCESS, BECAUSE IT DENIES 932 00:24:47,733 --> 00:24:49,433 INDIVIDUALS OF AN OPPORTUNITY TO 933 00:24:49,500 --> 00:24:50,166 BE HEARD, AND YET, INCREDIBLY, 934 00:24:50,233 --> 00:24:51,100 DESPITE ALL THIS, IT'S WIDELY 935 00:24:51,166 --> 00:24:52,066 ASSUMED THAT THIS WHOLE DEAL IS 936 00:24:52,133 --> 00:24:53,100 GOING TO GO AHEAD. 937 00:24:53,166 --> 00:24:56,033 AND WHILE IT SOUNDS TERRIBLE TO 938 00:24:56,100 --> 00:24:59,166 ME, I WILL SAY, AT LEAST ONE 939 00:24:59,233 --> 00:25:00,133 PERSON THINKS THAT'S A VERY GOOD 940 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,833 THING. 941 00:25:03,900 --> 00:25:05,533 ALTHOUGH I WILL SAY, THAT ONE 942 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:06,066 PERSON IS PURDUE'S CURRENT 943 00:25:06,133 --> 00:25:06,733 CHAIRMAN. 944 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:07,600 >> THIS IS A MILESTONE IN PUBLIC 945 00:25:07,666 --> 00:25:08,533 HEALTH HISTORY. 946 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:09,533 NEVER BEFORE HAVE YOU SEEN THIS 947 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,000 AMOUNT OF MONEY, $10 BILLION 948 00:25:11,066 --> 00:25:13,300 BEING DEVOTED TO OPIOID 949 00:25:13,366 --> 00:25:16,300 ABATEMENT, AND IT'S ONLY 950 00:25:16,366 --> 00:25:18,066 AVAILABLE THROUGH THIS PLAN, 951 00:25:18,133 --> 00:25:20,166 ASSUMING WE CAN GET IT APPROVED. 952 00:25:20,233 --> 00:25:21,866 AND I THINK WHEN PEOPLE THINK 953 00:25:21,933 --> 00:25:23,166 ABOUT IT, THEY WILL COME AROUND 954 00:25:23,233 --> 00:25:24,333 TO THE NOTION, "WELL, I MIGHT 955 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:25,866 HAVE LIKED SOMETHING SLIGHTLY 956 00:25:25,933 --> 00:25:27,533 DIFFERENT, BUT THIS IS CERTAINLY 957 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,200 A LOT BETTER THAN GOING INTO 958 00:25:30,266 --> 00:25:31,866 ENDLESS, COSTLY LITIGATION THAT 959 00:25:31,933 --> 00:25:33,700 MAY END UP WITH NO PROCEEDS 960 00:25:33,766 --> 00:25:34,733 GOING TO ANYBODY." 961 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,166 >> John: OKAY, NO. 962 00:25:36,233 --> 00:25:37,300 "I MIGHT HAVE LIKED SOMETHING 963 00:25:37,366 --> 00:25:38,766 DIFFERENT, BUT THIS IS BETTER 964 00:25:38,833 --> 00:25:40,633 THAN NOTHING" IS WHAT YOU SAY 965 00:25:40,700 --> 00:25:42,200 WHEN YOUR DAD INSISTS ON HAVING 966 00:25:42,266 --> 00:25:43,233 DINNER AT CHILI'S, NOT WHEN 967 00:25:43,300 --> 00:25:44,200 YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FATE OF 968 00:25:44,266 --> 00:25:45,166 A COMPANY THAT POISONED A 969 00:25:45,233 --> 00:25:46,633 GENERATION. 970 00:25:46,700 --> 00:25:47,466 WHICH, INCIDENTALLY, IS, I 971 00:25:47,533 --> 00:25:50,766 BELIEVE, CHILI'S CURRENT SLOGAN. 972 00:25:50,833 --> 00:25:52,633 AND HERE'S THE THING: THAT MAN'S 973 00:25:52,700 --> 00:25:54,766 NOT EVEN ENTIRELY WRONG. 974 00:25:54,833 --> 00:25:56,866 THE LONGER THESE LAWSUITS DRAG 975 00:25:56,933 --> 00:25:58,166 ON, THE MORE MONEY WILL GET 976 00:25:58,233 --> 00:25:59,433 WASTED IN COURT, AND AN 977 00:25:59,500 --> 00:26:00,733 INCREASINGLY LARGE PERCENTAGE OF 978 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:01,500 IT WILL GO TO LAWYERS RATHER 979 00:26:01,566 --> 00:26:02,766 THAN VICTIMS. 980 00:26:02,833 --> 00:26:03,833 BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, UNDER THIS 981 00:26:03,900 --> 00:26:05,733 SETTLEMENT, CLAIMANTS COULD 982 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,100 RECEIVE PAYMENTS FROM $3,500 TO 983 00:26:07,166 --> 00:26:09,533 $48,000. 984 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,033 WHICH, YES, FEELS WILDLY 985 00:26:11,100 --> 00:26:12,500 INSUFFICIENT. 986 00:26:12,566 --> 00:26:13,433 BUT SOME FAMILIES ARE 987 00:26:13,500 --> 00:26:16,166 RELUCTANTLY WILLING TO TAKE WHAT 988 00:26:16,233 --> 00:26:17,200 THEY CAN GET. 989 00:26:17,266 --> 00:26:18,366 ALTHOUGH I WILL SAY OTHERS, LIKE 990 00:26:18,433 --> 00:26:19,366 THIS WOMAN -- WHOSE SON BECAME 991 00:26:19,433 --> 00:26:20,633 ADDICTED TO OPIOIDS AFTER BEING 992 00:26:20,700 --> 00:26:21,900 PRESCRIBED OXYCONTIN AS A HIGH 993 00:26:21,966 --> 00:26:23,433 SCHOOL STUDENT -- ARE FURIOUS 994 00:26:23,500 --> 00:26:26,933 THAT THIS IS WHAT IT'S COME TO. 995 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,700 >> WE WANT OUR VOICES HEARD, NOT 996 00:26:30,766 --> 00:26:34,066 INTERPRETED BY THE COURT LIKE 997 00:26:34,133 --> 00:26:35,000 THEY HAVE BEEN. 998 00:26:35,066 --> 00:26:36,433 I DON'T WANT SOMEBODY SAYING 999 00:26:36,500 --> 00:26:38,266 THAT I LOVE -- I'M SO HAPPY WITH 1000 00:26:38,333 --> 00:26:41,666 THE SETTLEMENT AS I HEAR AT 1001 00:26:41,733 --> 00:26:43,333 PRACTICALLY EVERY HEARING. 1002 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:44,433 I'M A MOM, I'M NOT HAPPY WITH 1003 00:26:44,500 --> 00:26:45,800 ANY OF THIS, AND I KNOW HUNDREDS 1004 00:26:45,866 --> 00:26:46,933 OF MOMS THAT AREN'T EITHER AND 1005 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,166 FAMILIES. 1006 00:26:48,233 --> 00:26:51,100 >> John: EXACTLY. 1007 00:26:51,166 --> 00:26:53,400 FOR SOME FAMILIES OF VICTIMS, 1008 00:26:53,466 --> 00:26:54,433 THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THEIR 1009 00:26:54,500 --> 00:26:56,100 VOICES HEARD IS PRICELESS, WHICH 1010 00:26:56,166 --> 00:26:57,466 IS TO SAY, A FUCK OF A LOT MORE 1011 00:26:57,533 --> 00:26:59,900 THAN $48,000. 1012 00:26:59,966 --> 00:27:01,400 SOME HAVE EVEN CALLED IN TO 1013 00:27:01,466 --> 00:27:02,166 COURT ONLY TO BE TOLD IT WASN'T 1014 00:27:02,233 --> 00:27:03,933 THE RIGHT FORUM. 1015 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,400 ONE WOMAN CALLED IN TO THE 1016 00:27:05,466 --> 00:27:06,800 BANKRUPTCY HEARING AND SAID, "I 1017 00:27:06,866 --> 00:27:08,833 LOST MY BROTHER TRAGICALLY AT 1018 00:27:08,900 --> 00:27:10,900 THE TIP OF THE EPIDEMIC IN 2012. 1019 00:27:10,966 --> 00:27:11,966 I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN MEMORY 1020 00:27:12,033 --> 00:27:13,700 OF MY BROTHER." 1021 00:27:13,766 --> 00:27:15,500 TO WHICH THE JUDGE REPLIED, "I 1022 00:27:15,566 --> 00:27:17,166 HOLD HEARINGS ON WHAT IS 1023 00:27:17,233 --> 00:27:18,500 SCHEDULED BEFORE ME. 1024 00:27:18,566 --> 00:27:19,466 I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS THE 1025 00:27:19,533 --> 00:27:20,633 PROPER FORUM TO DO THIS." 1026 00:27:20,700 --> 00:27:28,333 AND THE THING IS, HE'S RIGHT. 1027 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,500 BUT THIS ALSO MAY BE THE LAST 1028 00:27:31,566 --> 00:27:33,700 FORUM THESE FAMILIES HAVE TO BE 1029 00:27:33,766 --> 00:27:34,533 HEARD. 1030 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:35,366 LOOK, IT MIGHT BE TRUE THAT THIS 1031 00:27:35,433 --> 00:27:36,000 IS THE BEST DEAL WE CAN GET 1032 00:27:36,066 --> 00:27:36,700 UNDER OUR CURRENT SYSTEM. 1033 00:27:36,766 --> 00:27:37,500 BUT THE FACT THAT'S THE CASE 1034 00:27:37,566 --> 00:27:38,266 DOESN'T SPEAK TO WELL TO THIS 1035 00:27:38,333 --> 00:27:39,366 DEAL, OR, INDEED, THE SYSTEM 1036 00:27:39,433 --> 00:27:39,633 ITSELF. 1037 00:27:39,700 --> 00:27:40,433 AND IF YOU'RE THINKING, "WELL, 1038 00:27:40,500 --> 00:27:41,166 THE SACKLERS ARE PAYING SO MUCH 1039 00:27:41,233 --> 00:27:42,433 ALREADY, WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?" 1040 00:27:42,500 --> 00:27:44,633 I'M NOT SURE THAT'S THE RIGHT 1041 00:27:44,700 --> 00:27:45,833 WAY TO THINK ABOUT THIS. 1042 00:27:45,900 --> 00:27:47,700 BECAUSE I'D ARGUE THAT WHEN YOUR 1043 00:27:47,766 --> 00:27:49,433 FAMILY'S COMPANY RECKLESSLY SOLD 1044 00:27:49,500 --> 00:27:51,033 A PRODUCT AS DAMAGING AS 1045 00:27:51,100 --> 00:27:53,166 OXYCONTIN, THE QUESTION MIGHT 1046 00:27:53,233 --> 00:27:54,266 NOT BE, "HOW MANY BILLIONS IS IT 1047 00:27:54,333 --> 00:27:56,466 RIGHT FOR YOU TO PAY?" 1048 00:27:56,533 --> 00:27:57,700 IT'S "HOW MANY BILLIONS IS IT 1049 00:27:57,766 --> 00:27:59,566 RIGHT FOR YOU TO KEEP?" 1050 00:27:59,633 --> 00:28:02,066 AND I WOULD ARGUE "NO BILLIONS." 1051 00:28:02,133 --> 00:28:05,233 AND I'M AFRAID IT GETS ONE STEP 1052 00:28:05,300 --> 00:28:06,700 WORSE, BECAUSE THE WAY THIS 1053 00:28:06,766 --> 00:28:08,533 SETTLEMENT IS STRUCTURED, IT'S 1054 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:09,933 ACTUALLY HURTING THE SACKLERS 1055 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,266 EVEN LESS THAN YOU MIGHT THINK. 1056 00:28:12,333 --> 00:28:13,966 THAT $4.3 BILLION THEY'VE AGREED 1057 00:28:14,033 --> 00:28:15,833 TO PAY IS SPREAD OUT OVER NINE 1058 00:28:15,900 --> 00:28:17,400 YEARS, WITH THE LARGEST PAYMENTS 1059 00:28:17,466 --> 00:28:18,966 COMING TOWARD THE END OF THAT 1060 00:28:19,033 --> 00:28:20,466 PERIOD, WHICH MEANS THEY COULD 1061 00:28:20,533 --> 00:28:22,066 MAKE THAT MONEY UP IN INTEREST 1062 00:28:22,133 --> 00:28:24,033 AND INVESTMENTS AND NEVER HAVE 1063 00:28:24,100 --> 00:28:26,166 TO TOUCH THE PRINCIPAL. 1064 00:28:26,233 --> 00:28:27,933 IN FACT, WHEN THE SACKLERS ARE 1065 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,133 DONE PAYING IN 2030, THEY WILL 1066 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:30,633 PROBABLY BE RICHER THAN THEY ARE 1067 00:28:30,700 --> 00:28:31,866 TODAY. 1068 00:28:31,933 --> 00:28:33,066 SO I GUESS THE ANSWER TO 1069 00:28:33,133 --> 00:28:34,200 "WE'RE RICH? 1070 00:28:34,266 --> 00:28:35,933 FOR HOW LONG?" IS "DON'T WORRY, 1071 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,833 FOREVER, DAVID, BECAUSE IT SEEMS 1072 00:28:38,900 --> 00:28:39,700 THAT'S HOW THE FUCKING SYSTEM 1073 00:28:39,766 --> 00:28:41,366 WORKS." 1074 00:28:41,433 --> 00:28:43,100 UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN IT COMES TO 1075 00:28:43,166 --> 00:28:45,033 ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE SACKLERS, 1076 00:28:45,100 --> 00:28:46,533 THIS IS PROBABLY IT. 1077 00:28:46,600 --> 00:29:01,333 BECAUSE WHILE, TECHNICALLY, THE 1078 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:08,900 COULD STILL BE CRIMINALLY 1079 00:29:08,966 --> 00:29:09,566 CHARGED, NOBODY EXPECTS 1080 00:29:09,633 --> 00:29:10,166 THAT TO HAPPEN. 1081 00:29:10,233 --> 00:29:11,333 AND IT'S JUST INFURIATING THAT 1082 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:11,833 THINGS ARE SET TO END SO 1083 00:29:11,900 --> 00:29:12,600 COMFORTABLY FOR A FAMILY THAT'S 1084 00:29:12,666 --> 00:29:13,166 MADE SO MUCH AT THE EXPENSE OF 1085 00:29:13,233 --> 00:29:13,933 SO MANY. 1086 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:14,533 ALTHOUGH I WILL SAY, THERE IS 1087 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:15,433 ONE TINY POSITIVE HERE. 1088 00:29:15,500 --> 00:29:16,433 AND THAT'S THAT PURDUE AND THE 1089 00:29:16,500 --> 00:29:17,633 SACKLERS HAVE ALWAYS HEAVILY 1090 00:29:17,700 --> 00:29:18,000 VALUED SECRECY. 1091 00:29:18,066 --> 00:29:19,066 BUT THIS DEAL REQUIRES THE 1092 00:29:19,133 --> 00:29:19,700 CREATION OF AN ONLINE PUBLIC 1093 00:29:19,766 --> 00:29:20,400 REPOSITORY THAT WILL EVENTUALLY 1094 00:29:20,466 --> 00:29:21,133 CONTAIN 30 MILLION DOCUMENTS 1095 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,033 INCLUDING DEPOSITION VIDEOS AND 1096 00:29:22,100 --> 00:29:22,900 THE SACKLERS' COMPANY EMAILS. 1097 00:29:22,966 --> 00:29:23,866 WHICH IS UNDENIABLY GOOD. 1098 00:29:23,933 --> 00:29:24,500 BUT EVEN WITH THAT, LET'S ADMIT, 1099 00:29:24,566 --> 00:29:25,200 WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING 1100 00:29:25,266 --> 00:29:26,200 APPROACHING JUSTICE HERE. 1101 00:29:26,266 --> 00:29:27,233 AND THE SACKLERS, IN SPARING NO 1102 00:29:27,300 --> 00:29:28,200 EXPENSE, HAVE SUCCESSFULLY 1103 00:29:28,266 --> 00:29:29,333 BOUGHT THEIR WAY OUT OF THIS 1104 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,266 PROBLEM. 1105 00:29:31,333 --> 00:29:32,600 WELL, NOT NO EXPENSE. 1106 00:29:32,666 --> 00:29:33,900 BECAUSE AGAIN, DESPITE SPENDING 1107 00:29:33,966 --> 00:29:35,500 MILLIONS ON LAWYERS, AND EVEN 1108 00:29:35,566 --> 00:29:36,600 CREATING A WEBSITE FILLED WITH 1109 00:29:36,666 --> 00:29:38,466 LEGAL PROPAGANDA, THEY STILL 1110 00:29:38,533 --> 00:29:40,433 SOMEHOW COULDN'T SCRAPE UP THE 1111 00:29:40,500 --> 00:29:42,033 $2,500 REQUIRED TO BUY THE 1112 00:29:42,100 --> 00:29:43,833 DOT-COM FOR IT. 1113 00:29:43,900 --> 00:29:47,066 AND THE REASON I HAPPEN TO KNOW 1114 00:29:47,133 --> 00:29:48,600 EXACTLY HOW MUCH IT COSTS IS 1115 00:29:48,666 --> 00:29:50,033 BECAUSE THAT'S HOW MUCH WE SPENT 1116 00:29:50,100 --> 00:29:50,533 TO BUY IT. 1117 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:51,900 IT'S TRUE: WE BOUGHT 1118 00:29:51,966 --> 00:29:52,600 JudgeForYourselves.com, 1119 00:29:52,666 --> 00:29:53,733 AND I KNOW THAT IT DOES 1120 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:54,433 ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO EVEN THE 1121 00:29:54,500 --> 00:29:57,833 SCALES HERE. 1122 00:29:57,900 --> 00:29:59,400 BUT IT DOES GIVES ME THE TINIEST 1123 00:29:59,466 --> 00:30:00,966 BIT OF COMFORT TO IMAGINE IT 1124 00:30:01,033 --> 00:30:03,633 MIGHT IRRITATE THE SACKLERS JUST 1125 00:30:03,700 --> 00:30:04,700 A BIT TO KNOW THAT WHEN PEOPLE 1126 00:30:04,766 --> 00:30:05,300 GO TO THAT SITE IN THE FUTURE, 1127 00:30:05,366 --> 00:30:07,900 THIS IS WHAT THEY'LL SEE. 1128 00:30:07,966 --> 00:30:09,600 >> HI, IT'S ME. 1129 00:30:09,666 --> 00:30:11,733 THE REAL RICHARD SACKLER. 1130 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,400 WELCOME TO THE PREMIERE SOURCE 1131 00:30:13,466 --> 00:30:14,633 OF INFORMATION ON THE SACKLER 1132 00:30:14,700 --> 00:30:15,333 FAMILY THAT YOU CAN FIND ON THE 1133 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:16,500 INTERNET. 1134 00:30:16,566 --> 00:30:20,966 IT'S CALLED 1135 00:30:21,033 --> 00:30:23,800 JudgeForYourselves.com! 1136 00:30:23,866 --> 00:30:30,700 BUT YOU GOTTA GET THE DOT-COM! 1137 00:30:30,766 --> 00:30:31,266 [LAUGHS] 1138 00:30:31,333 --> 00:30:32,033 WHAT KIND OF FUCKING IDIOT WOULD 1139 00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:32,666 SET UP AN IMPORTANT WEBSITE AND 1140 00:30:32,733 --> 00:30:34,866 NOT BUY THE DOT-COM? 1141 00:30:34,933 --> 00:30:36,766 I DUNNO! 1142 00:30:36,833 --> 00:30:38,200 I DUNNO! 1143 00:30:38,266 --> 00:30:42,266 ANYWAY, IF YOU WANT THE TRUTH, 1144 00:30:42,333 --> 00:30:45,833 YOU'VE COME TO THE RIGHT PLACE. 1145 00:30:45,900 --> 00:30:46,366 SO CLICK AROUND, OKAY? 1146 00:30:46,433 --> 00:30:47,833 GET A SENSE OF WHAT MY TERRIBLE 1147 00:30:47,900 --> 00:30:48,866 FAMILY HAS DONE. 1148 00:30:48,933 --> 00:30:49,766 YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE'LL THROW IN 1149 00:30:49,833 --> 00:30:50,766 SOME MAKE-UP TIDBITS. 1150 00:30:50,833 --> 00:30:51,733 I DON'T KNOW. 1151 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:52,666 MAYBE HOW TO MAKE A GREAT PESTO 1152 00:30:52,733 --> 00:30:54,000 CHICKEN. 1153 00:30:54,066 --> 00:30:55,533 ANYWAY, THERE'S SOME GREAT 1154 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,366 BUTTONS THAT YOU PRESS AROUND 1155 00:30:57,433 --> 00:30:58,600 AND YOU'LL GET THERE SOMEHOW. 1156 00:30:58,666 --> 00:30:59,633 ANYWAY, BEST OF LUCK TO YOU. 1157 00:30:59,700 --> 00:31:00,900 ALL RIGHT. 1158 00:31:00,966 --> 00:31:08,066 BYE-BYE. 1159 00:31:08,133 --> 00:31:10,066 >> John: THANK YOU, 1160 00:31:10,133 --> 00:31:10,966 RICHARD SACKLER. 1161 00:31:11,033 --> 00:31:11,833 THIS NEW WEBSITE LETS 1162 00:31:11,900 --> 00:31:12,433 YOU "JUDGE FOR YOURSELVES" 1163 00:31:12,500 --> 00:31:13,066 WHETHER THE SACKLERS GOT OFF TOO 1164 00:31:13,133 --> 00:31:13,966 EASY -- WHICH THEY DID. 1165 00:31:14,033 --> 00:31:14,500 ON IT, YOU CAN SEE RICHARD 1166 00:31:14,566 --> 00:31:15,166 SACKLER'S FULL DEPOSITION, ALL 1167 00:31:15,233 --> 00:31:16,133 OF OUR EPISODES ABOUT THE 1168 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,166 OPIOIDS CRISIS, AND THERE'S EVEN 1169 00:31:17,233 --> 00:31:17,966 A LINK THAT WILL EVENTUALLY 1170 00:31:18,033 --> 00:31:18,900 DIRECT YOU TO THE DOCUMENT 1171 00:31:18,966 --> 00:31:20,433 REPOSITORY THE MOMENT IT'S 1172 00:31:20,500 --> 00:31:21,866 LAUNCHED. 1173 00:31:21,933 --> 00:31:23,066 ALSO, BECAUSE THE FAMILIES OF 1174 00:31:23,133 --> 00:31:24,666 THOSE IMPACTED BY THE SACKLERS 1175 00:31:24,733 --> 00:31:25,933 HAVEN'T ALWAYS BEEN HEARD, THERE 1176 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,366 ARE SOME EXCERPTS ON THE WEBSITE 1177 00:31:27,433 --> 00:31:28,266 OF WHAT SOME OF THEM WANTED TO 1178 00:31:28,333 --> 00:31:29,666 SAY. 1179 00:31:29,733 --> 00:31:30,833 ALL OF THIS WILL BE UP AS LONG 1180 00:31:30,900 --> 00:31:33,100 AS WE OWN THE DOMAIN. 1181 00:31:33,166 --> 00:31:35,500 AND THIS IS AT LEAST SOMETHING 1182 00:31:35,566 --> 00:31:37,100 THE SACKLERS CAN'T THROW THEIR 1183 00:31:37,166 --> 00:31:39,100 DIRTY MONEY AT AND MAKE GO AWAY. 1184 00:31:39,166 --> 00:31:40,266 WHICH IS NOT TO SAY THAT IT 1185 00:31:40,333 --> 00:31:41,266 ISN'T FOR SALE AT ALL, 1186 00:31:41,333 --> 00:31:42,533 SACKLER FAMILY. 1187 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,700 IT'S AVAILABLE FOR A PRICE. 1188 00:31:45,766 --> 00:31:47,466 LET'S SAY $10 BILLION. 1189 00:31:47,533 --> 00:31:48,666 THAT'S OUR SHOW. 1190 00:31:48,733 --> 00:31:49,766 THANKS SO MUCH FOR WATCHING. 1191 00:31:49,833 --> 00:31:50,800 SEE YOU NEXT WEEK. 1192 00:31:50,866 --> 00:31:54,266 GOOD NIGHT! 1193 00:31:54,333 --> 00:31:54,800 ♪ ♪ 1194 00:31:54,866 --> 00:31:55,933 >> HEY! 1195 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:56,800 ME AGAIN! 1196 00:31:56,866 --> 00:31:58,933 RICHARD SACKLER! 1197 00:31:59,000 --> 00:31:59,566 LISTEN, THE DOCUMENTS AREN'T OUT 1198 00:31:59,633 --> 00:32:00,000 YET. 1199 00:32:00,066 --> 00:32:01,400 I WISH THEY WERE, BUT THEY'RE 1200 00:32:01,466 --> 00:32:04,166 NOT. 1201 00:32:04,233 --> 00:32:09,866 WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? 1202 00:32:09,933 --> 00:32:10,933 KEEP CHECKING BACK, ALL RIGHT?