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[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

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John: WELCOME, WELCOME,

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WELCOME TO "LAST WEEK TONIGHT"!

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I'M JOHN OLIVER, THANK YOU SO

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MUCH FOR JOINING US.

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IT HAS BEEN A BUSY WEEK.

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CORY BOOKER SPOKE FOR OVER 25

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HOURS.

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ELON MUSK TRIED AND FAILED TO

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BUY AN ELECTION IN WISCONSIN,

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AND OF COURSE, THIS HAPPENED.

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THIS MORNING PRESIDENT TRUMP

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DRAMATICALLY ESCALATING HIS

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GLOBAL TRADE WAR, ANNOUNCING HIS

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MOST SWEEPING SET OF TARIFFS

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YET, ON GOODS FROM EVERY COUNTRY

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THAT TRADES WITH THE

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UNITED STATES.

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THIS WILL BE INDEED THE

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GOLDEN AGE OF AMERICA.

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IT'S COMING BACK.

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John: OKAY, IF YOU MEAN

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"GOLDEN AGE" THE WAY WE TEND TO

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DESCRIBE THE LAST DECADE BEFORE

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AN OLD PERSON DIES, THEN YES, IT

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FEELS LIKE WE ARE VERY MUCH IN

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THE GOLDEN AGE OF AMERICA RIGHT

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NOW.

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THANK YOU.

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NOW TO EXPLAIN HIS TARIFFS,

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TRUMP HELPFULLY BROUGHT ALONG A

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FUN VISUAL AID.

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I THINK YOU CAN, FOR THE MOST

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PART, SEE IT.

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THOSE WITH GOOD EYES, WITH BAD

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EYES.

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WE DIDN'T WANT TO BRING-- IT'S

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VERY WINDY OUT HERE.

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WE DIDN'T WANT TO BRING OUT THE

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BIG CHARTS BECAUSE IT HAD NO

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CHANCE OF STANDING.

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FORTUNATELY, WE CAME ARMED WITH

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A LITTLE SMALLER CHART.

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John: WELL, THAT IS SMART!

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AND IT SHOWS.

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THEY REALLY THOUGHT OF

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EVERYTHING THAT MIGHT GO WRONG

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WHILE ANNOUNCING THEIR PLAN TO

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SHOOT THE ECONOMY IN THE DICK.

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ALTHOUGH, I WILL POINT OUT, IF

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WIND WAS A PROBLEM THERE-- AND

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WE CHECKED WITH EXPERTS ON THIS

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-- THE WHITE HOUSE DOES HAVE AN

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"INSIDE PART."

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UNFORTUNATELY, THAT CHART IS

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RIDICULOUS FOR A NUMBER OF

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REASONS.

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FOR ONE THING, IT FEATURES AN

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ESTIMATE OF "TARIFFS CHARGED TO

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THE USA" BY OTHER COUNTRIES THAT

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NO ONE COULD FIGURE OUT, UNTIL A

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FINANCIAL JOURNALIST REALIZED IT

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WAS JUST HOW MUCH WE EXPORT TO

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THAT COUNTRY, MINUS HOW MUCH WE

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IMPORT FROM THEM, DIVIDED BY HOW

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MUCH WE IMPORT.

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WHICH IS JUST STUNNINGLY DUMB.

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BECAUSE THOSE THINGS HAVE

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NOTHING TO DO WITH TARIFFS.

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IT'D BE LIKE TRYING TO FIGURE

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OUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF YOUR

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HOME BY DIVIDING YOUR PHONE

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NUMBER BY YOUR DOG'S AGE.

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OR TAKING YOUR TEMPERATURE BY

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MEASURING YOUR HEAD'S DISTANCE

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TO THE SUN.

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IT'S NOT GONNA GET YOU THE

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ANSWER YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.

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NOW, THE WHITE HOUSE DISPUTED

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THAT CLAIM, RELEASING THIS MORE

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COMPLICATED-LOOKING EQUATION

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THEY SAID THEY'D USED.

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BUT PEOPLE QUICKLY POINTED OUT

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THAT ONE SYMBOL MEANT "EXPORTS,"

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ONE MEANT "IMPORTS," AND THE

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OTHER TWO NUMBERS WERE VARIABLES

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SET AT FOUR AND ONE-QUARTER, SO

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THEY CANCELED EACH OTHER OUT,

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MEANING IT'S THE SAME STUPID

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EQUATION EVERYONE SAID IT WAS IN

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THE FIRST PLACE.

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AND LOOK, WE ALL KNEW IT WAS A

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MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THIS SHOW

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BECAME ME LITERALLY TEACHING YOU

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MATH.

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I'M JUST SURPRISED IT TOOK US 12

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BUT WAIT, BECAUSE SOMEHOW, IT

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GETS EVEN DUMBER.

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EVERY COUNTRY ON THE LIST

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FACES AT LEAST 10% TARIFFS, EVEN

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SMALL, REMOTE PLACES LIKE THE

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HEARD AND MCDONALD ISLANDS.

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THEY ARE NEAR ANTARCTICA, AND

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ARE COVERED IN GLACIERS, HOME TO

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MANY PENGUINS BUT NO PEOPLE.

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John: OH, MY GOD.

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IMAGINE GOING BACK TO 2015 AND

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TELLING YOUR YOUNGER SELF,

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"PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL ENTER A

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TRADE WAR WITH A REMOTE ISLAND

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OF PENGUINS."

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THEY'D HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS

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LIKE: WHAT ARE YOU TALKING

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ABOUT, AND IS THIS REALLY WHAT

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WE LOOK LIKE IN JUST TEN YEARS?

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DO WE DRINK WATER AT ALL?

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BECAUSE WE SHOWED.

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THE MARKET IMMEDIATELY CRASHED

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AFTER THE TARIFFS WERE

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ANNOUNCED, AND MAYBE THE BEST

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REACTION TO ALL THIS CAME FROM

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THE CEO OF RESTORATION HARDWARE,

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WHO WAS ACTUALLY ON AN EARNINGS

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CALL LATER THAT DAY.

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THIS IS HIM DISCOVERING WHAT WAS

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HAPPENING TO HIS STOCK PRICE, IN

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REAL TIME.

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WHERE'S OUR STOCK NOW?

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I MEAN, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THE

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STOCK WENT DOWN, YOU KNOW, BASED

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ON SOME OF THE NUMBERS WE

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REPORTED, AND THEN IT GOT KILLED

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BECAUSE OF UH, UM, OH, REALLY?

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OH, SHIT.

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OKAY.

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John: YEAH, THAT SUMS IT UP

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PRETTY WELL.

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IN FACT, I'M NOT SURE THERE'S A

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BETTER ENCAPSULATION OF WHAT IT

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FEELS LIKE TO LIVE THROUGH THIS

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TRUMP PRESIDENCY THAN THOSE FIVE

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WORDS: OH, REALLY?

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OH, SHIT.

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OKAY."

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AND LOOK, THERE'LL CLEARLY BE

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MORE TO SAY ABOUT THESE TARIFFS

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GOING FORWARD.

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BUT FOR NOW, WE'RE ACTUALLY

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GOING TO START WITH OUR MAIN

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STORY THIS WEEK.

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AND IT CONCERNS AN ABSOLUTE

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FIXATION OF THE RIGHT.

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BECAUSE EVEN AS THE MARKET

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CRASHED IN THE WAKE OF TRUMP'S

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TARIFFS, FOX NEWS SPENT A LOT OF

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TIME ON THIS.

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A WOMEN'S FENCER IS DEFENDING

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HER DECISION TO TAKE A KNEE TO

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PROTEST HER TRANS OPPONENT

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DESPITE GETTING DISQUALIFIED FOR

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HER FORFEIT.

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A FEMALE FENCER WHO HAS

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DEVOTED YEARS OF HER LIFE TO THE

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SPORT WAS JUST DISQUALIFIED.

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THIS IS THE CIVIL RIGHTS

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ISSUE OF THE HOUR: WOMEN'S

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SPORTS.

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HERE'S THE STORY THAT

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EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE

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INTERESTED IN.

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A FEMALE FENCER STANDS UP FOR

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FAIRNESS IN WOMEN'S SPORTS.

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John: WAIT, THAT'S THE STORY

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THAT EVERYONE IS GOING TO BE

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INTERESTED IN?

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ARE YOU SURE?

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THE STORY ABOUT FENCING AND NOT

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THE ONE THAT'S CAUSED THE STOCK

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TICKER IN THE CORNER OF YOUR

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SCREEN TO GO BRIGHT RED LIKE AN

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INFLAMED HEMORRHOID?

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ALSO, I CHALLENGE THOSE ANCHORS

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TO TELL ME ONE THING ABOUT

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FENCING BESIDES LINDSAY LOHAN

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DID IT AGAINST HERSELF IN

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"THE PARENT TRAP."

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I DON'T THINK YOU CAN'T DO IT.

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THE ISSUE OF TRANS ATHLETES HAS

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BECOME VERY IMPORTANT TO

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CONSERVATIVES IN GENERAL, AND

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DONALD TRUMP IN PARTICULAR.

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HE TALKED ABOUT IT AT LENGTH IN

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HIS ADDRESS TO CONGRESS, AND

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SIGNED AN ORDER TITLED "KEEPING

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MEN OUT OF WOMEN'S SPORTS,"

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WHICH PROMISED TO RESCIND ALL

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FUNDS FROM EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS

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THAT ALLOWED TRANS WOMEN AND

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GIRLS TO COMPETE.

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AND AT THE SIGNING CEREMONY, HE

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AD-LIBBED THE CREEPIEST

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COMPLIMENT POSSIBLE.

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WE'RE DEFENDING THE RIGHTS

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AND SAFETY AND PRIDE OF THE

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AMERICAN PEOPLE INCLUDING OUR

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GREAT GREAT GREAT FEMALE

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WHAT ATHLETES YOU ARE, TOO.

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AND YOU KNOW.

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I'M NOT ALLOWED TO SAY THIS

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POLITICALLY, IT COULD END MY

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CAREER-- THEY'RE REALLY

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BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE.

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THESE ARE BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE.

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BUT YOU KNOW, LIKE EVERYTHING

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ELSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT

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TODAY.

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YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SAY THAT,

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BECAUSE IF YOU CALL A WOMAN OR A

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GIRL BEAUTIFUL, THAT'S THE END

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OF YOUR CAREER.

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BUT LET'S TAKE A CHANCE ON IT,

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MIKE, LET'S TAKE A CHANCE.

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John: OKAY, TO BE COMPLETELY

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FAIR TO TRUMP, I WILL SAY HIS

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UNDERSTANDING OF WOMEN'S ISSUES

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IS COMPARABLE TO HIS

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UNDERSTANDING OF FOREIGN POLICY,

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DOMESTIC POLICY, TRADE, THE

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ECONOMY, THE CONCEPT OF CONSENT,

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HUMAN EMPATHY, AND ALL BUT ONE

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OF HIS CHILDREN'S NAMES.

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TRUMP LEADS EVERY CONVERSATION

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WITH A PSYCHOSEXUAL ENERGY THAT

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MAKES "THE WHITE LOTUS" LOOK

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LIKE THE TELETUBBIES.

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OH, DID THE INCEST STORYLINE

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BOTHER YOU?

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DONALD TRUMP JOKED ABOUT DATING

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HIS OWN DAUGHTER ON "THE VIEW!"

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HE SAID THAT ON A FUCKING

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MORNING SHOW!

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AT LEAST "WHITE LOTUS" HAS THE

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DECENCY TO AIR IN THE EVENINGS,

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RIGHT HERE ON THE INCEST

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NETWORK.

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TRUMP'S ORDER HAS ALREADY

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PROMPTED THE NCAA TO INSTITUTE A

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BAN ON TRANS ATHLETES

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PARTICIPATING IN WOMEN'S SPORTS.

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BUT HE IS NOT DONE.

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HE'S ALSO TRYING TO PULL $175

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MILLION IN FUNDING FROM UPENN

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FOR ALLOWING ONE TRANS ATHLETE

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TO COMPETE THREE YEARS AGO, AND

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WHEN MAINE INDICATED IT'D RESIST

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HIS BAN, HE THREATENED TO CUT

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OFF ALL ITS FEDERAL FUNDING,

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DESPITE THE WHOLE STATE

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APPARENTLY HAVING JUST TWO TRANS

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GIRLS, TOTAL, COMPETING IN

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GIRLS' SPORTS.

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TWO!

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I KNOW YOU MIGHT BE THINKING...

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OKAY, BUT IN MAINE 2 KIDS IS

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LIKE HALF THE KIDS, RIGHT?

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BUT IT'S ACTUALLY NOT!

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THEY'VE GOT MORE!

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THIS ISSUE IS AN OBSESSION FOR

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REPUBLICANS.

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LAST YEAR, THEY SPENT OVER $116

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MILLION JUST ON TV ADS FEATURING

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TRANS ATHLETES.

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AND THE RELENTLESS FOCUS ON THIS

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OVER THE YEARS HAS HAD A

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MEANINGFUL IMPACT, WITH ONE POLL

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SHOWING MORE THAN 6 IN 10 ADULTS

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SAY TRANS GIRLS AND WOMEN SHOULD

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NOT BE ALLOWED TO COMPETE IN

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GIRLS' AND WOMEN'S SPORTS

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INCLUDING HIGH SCHOOL AND YOUTH

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LEVELS.

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25 STATES HAVE NOW IMPOSED BANS

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ON THEM COMPETING IN SCHOOLS.

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EVEN GAVIN NEWSOM-- PICTURED AS

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THE VILLAIN IN A RYAN MURPHY

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PRODUCTION-- RECENTLY SAID HE

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THOUGHT TRANS ATHLETES BEING

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ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE IN

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WOMEN'S SPORTS IS "DEEPLY

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UNFAIR," WITHOUT REALLY

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ELABORATING ON WHAT HE MEANT BY

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THAT.

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AND FOR TRANS KIDS IMPACTED BY

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THESE BANS, WHO JUST WANT TO

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PLAY SPORTS WITH THEIR FRIENDS,

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IT'S BEEN HARD-- AS THIS

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15-YEAR-OLD GIRL IN

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NEW HAMPSHIRE EXPLAINS.

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IT'S BEEN STRESSFUL AND

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DIFFICULT.

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IT'S BEEN ANNOYING.

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I FELT VERY ANNOYED AND UPSET

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THAT THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING AND

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THAT IT'S BEEN HAPPENING TOWARDS

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A VULNERABLE COMMUNITY, LIKE,

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THE TRANS COMMUNITY.

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John: YEAH.

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AND HONESTLY, "ANNOYING" IS AN

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UNDERSTATEMENT.

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ANNOYING IS WHAT YOU SAY WHEN

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YOUR FRIEND IS LATE, OR YOUR

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WIFI IS SPOTTY, OR WHEN YOU'RE A

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CHICKEN MINDING YOUR OWN

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BUSINESS AND SUDDENLY YOU'RE ON

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THE NEWS.

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YOU'RE HANGING OUT, EATING DIRTY

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SNOW WITH SEVEN OR EIGHT CLOSE

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FRIENDS, AND THEN BOOM-- ALL OF

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A SUDDEN THE AP IS DOING A CLOSE

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UP OF YOUR FEET?

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THAT'S ANNOYING!

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BUT I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE STRONG

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OPINIONS ON THIS SUBJECT.

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IN OUR POST-ELECTION SHOW, I

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SAID "THERE ARE VANISHINGLY FEW

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TRANS GIRLS COMPETING IN HIGH

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SCHOOL SPORTS ANYWHERE, AND EVEN

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IF THERE WERE MORE, TRANS

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KIDS-- LIKE ALL KIDS-- VARY IN

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ATHLETIC ABILITY AND THERE IS NO

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EVIDENCE THAT THEY POSE ANY

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THREAT TO SAFETY OR FAIRNESS."

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AFTER THAT SHOW AIRED,

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JK ROWLING HERSELF ISSUED THE

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SINGLE LONGEST TWEET I'VE EVER

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SEEN IN MY LIFE, IN WHICH SHE

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CLAIMED, AMONG OTHER THINGS,

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THAT I AM "HAPPY TO WATCH

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FEMALES SUFFER INJURY,

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HUMILIATION, AND THE LOSS OF

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SPORTING OPPORTUNITIES TO

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BOLSTER AN ELITIST POST-MODERN

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IDEOLOGY."

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AND HONESTLY, IT FEELS A BIT

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WEIRD TO CATCH THAT MUCH HEAT

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FROM THE CREATOR OF

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"HARRY POTTER," ESPECIALLY WHEN

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I CLEARLY LOOK LIKE WHAT

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WOULD'VE HAPPENED IF THEY'D JUST

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LEFT HIM IN THAT CUPBOARD FOR

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THE REST OF HIS LIFE.

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NOW, I STAND BY EVERYTHING I

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SAID IN THAT EPISODE.

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BUT I WILL CONCEDE THAT THIS

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SUBJECT IS MORE COMPLICATED THAN

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"PEOPLE SHOULD USE THE BATHROOM

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THAT CORRESPONDS WITH THEIR

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GENDER IDENTITY."

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AND SINCE TRANS PARTICIPATION IN

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SPORTS SEEMS FOR SOME REASON TO

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BE AT THE CENTER OF OUR POLITICS

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RIGHT NOW, IT FELT LIKE TONIGHT

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MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME TO TALK

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ABOUT IT AT REAL LENGTH.

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AND IN DOING SO, WE'RE GOING TO

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TRY AND EXPLAIN A FEW THINGS:

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WHAT THE FACTS CAN ACTUALLY TELL

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US ABOUT TRANS ATHLETES

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REGARDING COMPETITION AND

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SAFETY.

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WHERE MUCH OF THIS SEEMS TO BE

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COMING FROM-- BECAUSE IT DIDN'T

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CROP UP OUT OF NOWHERE.

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AND WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE THINGS

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MIGHT BE GOING.

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AND LET'S START BY

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ACKNOWLEDGING: MANY PEOPLE DO

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HAVE GOOD-FAITH QUESTIONS ABOUT

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THIS, EVEN IF THEY'RE ASKING

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THEM A LITTLE CLUMSILY.

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HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF

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THOSE QUESTIONS ABOUT FAIRNESS,

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COMING FROM A LESS-THAN-IDEAL

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SOURCE.

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LET'S SAY SERENA'S IN HER

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PRIME.

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AND-- AND-- AND A TRAN-- YOU

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KNOW-- AND-- AND WHO KNOWS,

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YOU MAKE UP THE PERSON, RIGHT?

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SO, YOU KNOW, SOME-- LET'S NOT

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MAKE UP THE PERSON.

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LET'S SAY THAT-- THAT

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RAFAEL NADAL, YOU KNOW, HAS SOME

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ISSUE-- OR, YOU KNOW, WANTS TO

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TRANSITION, AND-- I JUST, AND

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WINS THE WIMBLEDON FINAL, OR,

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YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WINS THE

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100-METER DASH AT THE OLYMPIC--

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I-- I JUST-- I THINK THAT'S

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A-- I THINK THAT'S A NET

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NEGATIVE.

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John: NOW, CLEARLY, WHEN IT

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COMES TO QUESTIONS OF RIGHT AND

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WRONG IN SPORTS, LANCE ARMSTRONG

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MIGHT BE THE LAST PERSON YOU'D

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CALL, JUST AFTER THE 1919

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CHICAGO WHITE SOX AND THE EAR

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CHUNK THAT MIKE TYSON BIT OFF.

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BUT TO BE FAIR: I CAN SEE HOW--

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AT THE MOST ELITE LEVEL OF

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SPORTS, AN INSTANTANEOUS SWITCH

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LIKE THAT, WOULD CONFER AN

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ADVANTAGE.

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IT HASN'T HAPPENED.

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AND, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, IN

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TENNIS, THE WTA ALREADY HAS

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GUIDELINES FOR TRANS INCLUSION,

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REQUIRING ATHLETES MAINTAIN

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STRICT HORMONE LEVELS FOR AT

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LEAST TWO YEARS BEFORE

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COMPETING, WITH PROCESSES FOR

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DISPUTE RESOLUTIONS IF

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NECESSARY.

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THEY ARE ALREADY THINKING ABOUT

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THIS AND I PRESUME TO DO THAT.

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THE THING IS, HYPOTHETICALS LIKE

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THAT CIRCULATE CONSTANTLY, AND

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OFTEN CENTER AROUND SOMEONE

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TRANSITIONING SOLELY TO GAIN A

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COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE.

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BUT AS THIS TRANS RESEARCHER

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POINTS OUT, THAT'S AN ABSURD

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PROPOSITION.

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TRANS WOMEN DON'T TRANSITION

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FOR SPORTS.

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NO-- NO ONE HAS EVER SAID, "OH,

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YEAH, I THINK I'D LIKE TO BE A

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WOMAN SO I CAN DO WELL IN

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WOMEN'S SPORTS."

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WHEN YOU GO THROUGH A GENDER

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TRANSITION, YOU LOSE SO MANY

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THINGS IN LIFE.

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MY OWN MOTHER SAID SHE NEVER

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WANTED TO SPEAK TO ME AGAIN.

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YOU KNOW, I LOST FRIENDS,

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FAMILY, GOT DIVORCED.

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YOU'D GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT

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JUST TO WIN A MEDAL IN SPORTS?

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NO.

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TRANS PEOPLE TRANSITION BECAUSE

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IT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN

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LIVE HAPPILY.

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John: RIGHT!

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NO ONE SAYS "I'M GOING TO

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TRANSITION JUST FOR THE SAKE OF

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SPORTS," THE SAME WAY NO ONE

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SAYS "COULD YOU PLEASE SEND ME

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MORE MESSAGES ABOUT TWO-FACTOR

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AUTHENTICATION?"

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OR "WHEN I WALK DOWN THE AISLE,

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I'D LIKE A SOLO VIOLIN COVER OF

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BAWITDABA BY KID ROCK."

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THAT'S JUST A MADE-UP PERSON.

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STILL, LET'S ENGAGE WITH THE

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UNDERLYING PREMISE OF THAT

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QUESTION FROM THE WORLD'S MOST

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FAMOUS SPORTS CHEATER: THAT

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THOSE ASSIGNED MALE AT BIRTH ARE

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AUTOMATICALLY GOING TO HAVE

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CERTAIN, IMMUTABLE PHYSICAL

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ADVANTAGES.

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THAT GETS RAISED CONSTANTLY.

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WHICH IS WHY WE'RE GOING TO

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SPEND MOST OF OUR TIME TALKING

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ABOUT TRANS WOMEN AND GIRLS--

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EVEN THOUGH, IN THESE FIVE

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STATES, THESE BANS IMPACT TRANS

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BOYS IN SCHOOLS TOO.

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IT IS OBVIOUSLY TRUE THAT, ON

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AVERAGE, CISGENDER MEN AND

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POST-PUBESCENT BOYS HAVE SOME

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SPECIFIC ATHLETIC PERFORMANCE

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ADVANTAGES.

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THOUGH THE RELATIVE SIZE OF THAT

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ADVANTAGE ALSO DEPENDS ON THE

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SPORT, AND THE EVENT.

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IN SWIMMING, FOR INSTANCE, MALE

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ATHLETIC PERFORMANCE ADVANTAGE

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IS ROUGHLY 13% IN THE 50 METER

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FREESTYLE, BUT LESS THAN 6% IN

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THE 1500M FREE.

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WHICH IS STILL CLEARLY

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SIGNIFICANT.

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BUT IN GENERAL, THERE IS A LOT

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OF OVERLAP IN THE AVERAGE

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PERFORMANCE RANGES OF MEN AND

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WOMEN-- BASICALLY, IT'S NOT THE

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CASE THAT ANY MAN IS GOING TO BE

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STRONGER, OR MORE ATHLETIC, THAN

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EVERY WOMAN.

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WHICH IS SOMETIMES WHAT GETS

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IMPLIED HERE, INCLUDING BY

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DONALD TRUMP, WHO BROUGHT RILEY

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GAINES, THE FORMER COLLEGE

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SWIMMER WHO'S BECOME ONE OF THE

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MOST PROMINENT VOICES ON THIS

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ISSUE, ON STAGE TO SAY THIS.

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JUST TO SHOW YOU HOW

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RIDICULOUS IT IS-- LOOK AT ME.

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I'M MUCH BIGGER AND MUCH

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STRONGER THAN HER.

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THERE'S NO WAY SHE COULD BEAT ME

516
00:13:44,590 --> 00:13:45,924
IN SWIMMING.

517
00:13:45,925 --> 00:13:50,728
DO WE ALL AGREE?

518
00:13:50,729 --> 00:13:52,063
HUH?

519
00:13:52,064 --> 00:13:54,365
John: I DON'T AGREE.

520
00:13:54,366 --> 00:13:56,501
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT.

521
00:13:56,502 --> 00:13:57,936
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE

522
00:13:57,937 --> 00:13:59,404
78-YEAR-OLD PRESIDENT TRY TO

523
00:13:59,405 --> 00:14:00,505
SWIM IN WATER AGAINST A FORMER

524
00:14:00,506 --> 00:14:01,539
D1 SWIMMER.

525
00:14:01,540 --> 00:14:03,107
I'D LIKE TO BEAR WITNESS TO THAT

526
00:14:03,108 --> 00:14:06,444
EVENT AND WHATEVER HAPPENS AFTER

527
00:14:06,445 --> 00:14:07,745
IT AS A RESULT OF IT OCCURRING.

528
00:14:07,746 --> 00:14:08,947
BUT CRUCIALLY, WHEN IT COMES TO

529
00:14:08,948 --> 00:14:10,815
TRANS ATHLETES WHO'VE MEDICALLY

530
00:14:10,816 --> 00:14:11,883
TRANSITIONED, STUDIES OF CIS

531
00:14:11,884 --> 00:14:12,851
ATHLETES ARE NOT NECESSARILY

532
00:14:12,852 --> 00:14:14,018
RELEVANT.

533
00:14:14,019 --> 00:14:15,220
A LOT OF MEDICAL

534
00:14:15,221 --> 00:14:16,821
GENDER-AFFIRMING TREATMENTS,

535
00:14:16,822 --> 00:14:18,189
LIKE HORMONE THERAPY, HAVE A

536
00:14:18,190 --> 00:14:19,591
MEANINGFUL IMPACT ON BODY AND

537
00:14:19,592 --> 00:14:20,024
HORMONE COMPOSITION.

538
00:14:20,025 --> 00:14:21,960
SO THE QUESTION THEN BECOMES,

539
00:14:21,961 --> 00:14:23,494
WHAT DO THOSE IMPACTS MEAN FOR

540
00:14:23,495 --> 00:14:24,762
ATHLETIC PERFORMANCE?

541
00:14:24,763 --> 00:14:26,297
WE SPOKE TO SCIENTISTS ON ALL

542
00:14:26,298 --> 00:14:28,099
SIDES OF THIS ISSUE AND THE ONE

543
00:14:28,100 --> 00:14:29,934
THING THEY ACTUALLY AGREE ON IS

544
00:14:29,935 --> 00:14:31,636
THAT-- IN PART BECAUSE THE

545
00:14:31,637 --> 00:14:33,137
NUMBER OF TRANS ATHLETES IS SO

546
00:14:33,138 --> 00:14:35,073
SMALL-- THE BODY OF RESEARCH

547
00:14:35,074 --> 00:14:36,374
SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THEM IS

548
00:14:36,375 --> 00:14:37,642
EXTREMELY LIMITED.

549
00:14:37,643 --> 00:14:39,210
THERE ARE A BUNCH OF STUDIES

550
00:14:39,211 --> 00:14:40,478
COMPARING SPECIFIC ANATOMICAL

551
00:14:40,479 --> 00:14:42,614
FEATURES LIKE MUSCLE MASS IN

552
00:14:42,615 --> 00:14:43,248
WOMEN WHO TRANSITION, BUT WHICH

553
00:14:43,249 --> 00:14:45,383
DON'T DIRECTLY SPEAK TO THEIR

554
00:14:45,384 --> 00:14:46,851
IMPACT ON ATHLETIC PERFORMANCE.

555
00:14:46,852 --> 00:14:48,186
BUT WE WERE ONLY ABLE TO FIND 12

556
00:14:48,187 --> 00:14:49,954
STUDIES THAT ACTUALLY TESTED

557
00:14:49,955 --> 00:14:51,155
TRANS ADULT WOMEN'S PHYSICAL

558
00:14:51,156 --> 00:14:52,390
FITNESS IN A LAB OR OTHER

559
00:14:52,391 --> 00:14:54,259
PERFORMANCE SCENARIO.

560
00:14:54,260 --> 00:14:55,526
EIGHT HAVE A SAMPLE SIZE OF LESS

561
00:14:55,527 --> 00:14:56,694
THAN 20.

562
00:14:56,695 --> 00:14:58,730
AND TWO ARE OF A SINGLE ATHLETE.

563
00:14:58,731 --> 00:15:00,465
AND LOOK, I DON'T HAVE ANY

564
00:15:00,466 --> 00:15:02,066
SCIENTIFIC EXPERIENCE, EVEN

565
00:15:02,067 --> 00:15:03,034
THOUGH I LOOK LIKE A CROSS

566
00:15:03,035 --> 00:15:04,369
BETWEEN A SCIENTIST AND THE

567
00:15:04,370 --> 00:15:07,071
PROFOUNDLY SICK MICE HE'S

568
00:15:07,072 --> 00:15:08,339
STUDYING, BUT YOU PROBABLY

569
00:15:08,340 --> 00:15:09,941
SHOULDN'T DRAW BROAD CONCLUSIONS

570
00:15:09,942 --> 00:15:11,576
OFF A SAMPLE SIZE OF "ONE."

571
00:15:11,577 --> 00:15:13,444
THOSE TWELVE STUDIES GENERALLY

572
00:15:13,445 --> 00:15:14,679
FIND THAT MEDICALLY

573
00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:16,114
TRANSITIONING DOES IMPACT TRANS

574
00:15:16,115 --> 00:15:18,116
WOMEN'S PERFORMANCE, BUT

575
00:15:18,117 --> 00:15:19,984
DISAGREE ON HOW, OR BY HOW MUCH.

576
00:15:19,985 --> 00:15:21,319
THAT RESEARCHER YOU SAW EARLIER

577
00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,254
ACTUALLY PUBLISHED THE ONLY

578
00:15:23,255 --> 00:15:24,889
LONGITUDINAL STUDY TO DATE OF

579
00:15:24,890 --> 00:15:26,457
MULTIPLE ATHLETES, STUDYING THE

580
00:15:26,458 --> 00:15:27,825
IMPACT OF TRANSITIONING ON EIGHT

581
00:15:27,826 --> 00:15:29,193
LONG-DISTANCE RUNNERS.

582
00:15:29,194 --> 00:15:30,528
SHE FOUND, AFTER AT LEAST A YEAR

583
00:15:30,529 --> 00:15:31,896
ON HORMONE THERAPY, THEIR RACE

584
00:15:31,897 --> 00:15:33,364
TIMES TURNED OUT TO BE MORE

585
00:15:33,365 --> 00:15:35,733
ATHLETICALLY SIMILAR TO THOSE OF

586
00:15:35,734 --> 00:15:36,334
CISGENDER WOMEN THAN CISGENDER

587
00:15:36,335 --> 00:15:37,535
MEN.

588
00:15:37,536 --> 00:15:39,470
BUT SHE HERSELF WILL TELL YOU:

589
00:15:39,471 --> 00:15:41,172
THE STUDY WAS LIMITED, AND ITS

590
00:15:41,173 --> 00:15:42,307
CONCLUSIONS WERE NUANCED.

591
00:15:42,308 --> 00:15:44,409
HERE SHE IS, EXPLAINING WHAT WE

592
00:15:44,410 --> 00:15:46,911
DO AND DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT.

593
00:15:46,912 --> 00:15:49,580
IT IS UNDOUBTEDLY TRUE THAT

594
00:15:49,581 --> 00:15:52,984
TRANS WOMEN WILL MAINTAIN

595
00:15:52,985 --> 00:15:55,486
ADVANTAGES IN SOME SPORTS,

596
00:15:55,487 --> 00:15:57,655
PROBABLY NOT SO MUCH IN

597
00:15:57,656 --> 00:15:59,090
ENDURANCE SPORTS, BUT IN SIZE

598
00:15:59,091 --> 00:16:02,026
AND STRENGTH SPORTS.

599
00:16:02,027 --> 00:16:02,660
TRANS WOMEN WILL ALSO HAVE SOME

600
00:16:02,661 --> 00:16:07,231
PHYSIOLOGICAL DISADVANTAGES.

601
00:16:07,232 --> 00:16:09,167
OUR LARGER FRAMES ARE NOW BEING

602
00:16:09,168 --> 00:16:10,902
POWERED BY REDUCED MUSCLE MASS

603
00:16:10,903 --> 00:16:12,270
AND REDUCED AEROBIC CAPACITY,

604
00:16:12,271 --> 00:16:14,505
AND THAT CAN LEAD TO

605
00:16:14,506 --> 00:16:16,841
DISADVANTAGES IN TERMS LIKE

606
00:16:16,842 --> 00:16:18,109
QUICKNESS, RECOVERY, ENDURANCE,

607
00:16:18,110 --> 00:16:19,510
THINGS THAT MAYBE AREN'T QUITE

608
00:16:19,511 --> 00:16:20,278
AS OBVIOUS AS BEING BIGGER AND

609
00:16:20,279 --> 00:16:21,279
STRONGER.

610
00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:22,480
John: RIGHT!

611
00:16:22,481 --> 00:16:24,248
BIGGER AND STRONGER BODIES ARE

612
00:16:24,249 --> 00:16:25,450
NOT AUTOMATICALLY ADVANTAGED IN

613
00:16:25,451 --> 00:16:26,918
EVERY SCENARIO.

614
00:16:26,919 --> 00:16:27,852
I MEAN PUT THE ROCK IN A PURE

615
00:16:27,853 --> 00:16:28,987
BARRE CLASS AND SEE WHAT

616
00:16:28,988 --> 00:16:31,255
HAPPENS.

617
00:16:31,256 --> 00:16:31,956
I MEAN, WE KNOW WHAT WOULD

618
00:16:31,957 --> 00:16:32,857
HAPPEN, HE'D TAKE A VIDEO OF

619
00:16:32,858 --> 00:16:34,359
HIMSELF, CAPTION IT MAD RESPECT

620
00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:35,727
TO THESE MAMAS-- EVERYONE GO

621
00:16:35,728 --> 00:16:36,794
SEE "MOANA 2" AND TRY TO USE IT

622
00:16:36,795 --> 00:16:41,866
TO SELL HIS TEQUILA BEFORE

623
00:16:41,867 --> 00:16:42,533
EATING 13,000 PANCAKES AND

624
00:16:42,534 --> 00:16:46,004
DRINKING A COW.

625
00:16:46,005 --> 00:16:46,771
WE KNOW WHAT'D HAPPEN!

626
00:16:46,772 --> 00:16:47,338
BUT THE DEGREE OF DIFFERENCE

627
00:16:47,339 --> 00:16:47,972
HERE MATTERS, BECAUSE WE EXPECT

628
00:16:47,973 --> 00:16:48,606
A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DIFFERENCES

629
00:16:48,607 --> 00:16:48,940
IN ATHLETICS.

630
00:16:48,941 --> 00:16:49,640
TALLER BASKETBALL PLAYERS ARE

631
00:16:49,641 --> 00:16:50,208
EXPECTED TO COMPETE AGAINST

632
00:16:50,209 --> 00:16:51,009
SHORTER ONES.

633
00:16:51,010 --> 00:16:52,844
FASTER SOCCER PLAYERS COMPETE

634
00:16:52,845 --> 00:16:54,312
AGAINST SLOWER ONES.

635
00:16:54,313 --> 00:16:55,213
MICHAEL PHELPS WAS ALLOWED TO

636
00:16:55,214 --> 00:16:56,681
COMPETE WITH OTHER SWIMMERS

637
00:16:56,682 --> 00:16:58,983
DESPITE BEING PART DOLPHIN.

638
00:16:58,984 --> 00:17:00,118
AND CRUCIALLY, NONE OF THE

639
00:17:00,119 --> 00:17:01,486
STUDIES I'VE MENTIONED SO FAR

640
00:17:01,487 --> 00:17:02,887
BEAR MUCH RELEVANCE TO WHAT

641
00:17:02,888 --> 00:17:05,023
THESE NEW LAWS TARGET, WHICH IS

642
00:17:05,024 --> 00:17:05,957
YOUTH SPORTS, USUALLY OF ALL

643
00:17:05,958 --> 00:17:06,891
AGES.

644
00:17:06,892 --> 00:17:08,192
AND THE RESEARCH THERE IS EVEN

645
00:17:08,193 --> 00:17:09,494
MORE SCANT.

646
00:17:09,495 --> 00:17:11,662
WE HAVE NO RESEARCH ABOUT HOW

647
00:17:11,663 --> 00:17:12,397
BEING TRANS, OR UNDERGOING

648
00:17:12,398 --> 00:17:13,998
GENDER AFFIRMING TREATMENT,

649
00:17:13,999 --> 00:17:14,632
IMPACTS ATHLETIC PERFORMANCE IN

650
00:17:14,633 --> 00:17:16,501
TEENS.

651
00:17:16,502 --> 00:17:18,236
AND WHEN IT COMES TO KIDS BEFORE

652
00:17:18,237 --> 00:17:20,138
THE ONSET OF PUBERTY, I COULD

653
00:17:20,139 --> 00:17:21,606
TALK ABOUT THE STUDIES SHOWING

654
00:17:21,607 --> 00:17:22,740
THE SUBTLE PERFORMANCE

655
00:17:22,741 --> 00:17:24,275
DIFFERENCES BETWEEN BOYS AND

656
00:17:24,276 --> 00:17:25,143
GIRLS, BUT I'D ARGUE WHEN YOU'RE

657
00:17:25,144 --> 00:17:32,217
TALKING ABOUT 7-YEAR-OLDS, IN

658
00:17:32,818 --> 00:17:33,317
A PRACTICAL MATTER, THAT'S A

659
00:17:33,318 --> 00:17:33,851
POINT WHERE LOTS OF SCHOOL

660
00:17:33,852 --> 00:17:34,786
SPORTS ARE COED ANYWAY, AND

661
00:17:34,787 --> 00:17:35,386
DIFFERENCES IN SIZE CAN BE AS

662
00:17:35,387 --> 00:17:36,554
MUCH TO DO WITH WHETHER A KID'S

663
00:17:36,555 --> 00:17:37,522
BORN IN OCTOBER OR APRIL.

664
00:17:37,523 --> 00:17:38,256
AND AT THIS POINT, YOU MIGHT BE

665
00:17:38,257 --> 00:17:39,323
SAYING, "I DON'T NEED TO WAIT

666
00:17:39,324 --> 00:17:40,925
FOR SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH.

667
00:17:40,926 --> 00:17:41,559
THIS IS COMMON SENSE, AND I KNOW

668
00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,028
WHAT I'VE SEEN ONLINE."

669
00:17:44,029 --> 00:17:51,103
BUT A LOT OF WHAT YOU'VE SEEN

670
00:17:52,104 --> 00:17:52,670
MAY BE NOT QUITE WHAT YOU THINK

671
00:17:52,671 --> 00:17:53,271
IT IS, BOTH WHEN IT COMES TO

672
00:17:53,272 --> 00:17:53,805
TRANS ATHLETES' IMPACT ON

673
00:17:53,806 --> 00:17:54,305
COMPETITION, OR SAFETY.

674
00:17:54,306 --> 00:17:54,739
AND LET'S START WITH

675
00:17:54,740 --> 00:17:55,339
COMPETITION.

676
00:17:55,340 --> 00:17:55,973
BECAUSE THERE'S A BIG NUMBER YOU

677
00:17:55,974 --> 00:17:56,407
TEND TO HEAR A LOT.

678
00:17:56,408 --> 00:17:57,008
LISTEN TO THIS: A SHOCKING

679
00:17:57,009 --> 00:17:59,010
REPORT FROM THE UNITED NATIONS

680
00:17:59,011 --> 00:18:01,546
STATES OVER 600 FEMALE ATHLETES

681
00:18:01,547 --> 00:18:04,048
HAVE LOST CLOSE TO 900 MEDALS TO

682
00:18:04,049 --> 00:18:05,249
TRANSGENDER OPPONENTS.

683
00:18:05,250 --> 00:18:06,584
FEMALE ATHLETES HAVE LOST

684
00:18:06,585 --> 00:18:09,387
NEARLY 900 MEDALS TO TRANSGENDER

685
00:18:09,388 --> 00:18:10,388
ATHLETES.

686
00:18:10,389 --> 00:18:11,789
YOU HAVE THE UNITED NATIONS

687
00:18:11,790 --> 00:18:13,224
STUDY COME OUT NOT LONG AGO,

688
00:18:13,225 --> 00:18:15,326
ABOUT 900 MEDALS FOR FEMALES

689
00:18:15,327 --> 00:18:17,195
THAT ENDED UP GOING TO

690
00:18:17,196 --> 00:18:18,362
TRANSGENDER ATHLETES.

691
00:18:18,363 --> 00:18:19,931
John: YEAH, 900 MEDALS.

692
00:18:19,932 --> 00:18:22,433
THAT'S A GO-TO STATISTIC.

693
00:18:22,434 --> 00:18:23,568
IT WAS EVEN CITED ON THE FLOOR

694
00:18:23,569 --> 00:18:25,036
OF THE SENATE DURING THEIR

695
00:18:25,037 --> 00:18:25,670
DEBATE OVER A TRANS SPORTS BAN,

696
00:18:25,671 --> 00:18:26,871
AND FEATURED PROMINENTLY IN JK

697
00:18:26,872 --> 00:18:29,740
ROWLING'S LATEST TOME.

698
00:18:29,741 --> 00:18:30,675
BUT WE GOT CURIOUS ABOUT THAT

699
00:18:30,676 --> 00:18:32,110
NUMBER, SO WE LOOKED AT THAT

700
00:18:32,111 --> 00:18:34,045
REPORT, AND IT TURNS OUT, FIRST,

701
00:18:34,046 --> 00:18:36,247
IT WASN'T PRODUCED BY THE U.N.

702
00:18:36,248 --> 00:18:37,148
IT WAS SUBMITTED TO IT BY A

703
00:18:37,149 --> 00:18:38,416
SPECIAL RAPPORTEUR, WHO HERSELF

704
00:18:38,417 --> 00:18:39,350
SAID ITS FINDINGS DO NOT

705
00:18:39,351 --> 00:18:40,718
NECESSARILY REPRESENT THOSE OF

706
00:18:40,719 --> 00:18:42,186
THE U.N.

707
00:18:42,187 --> 00:18:45,123
AND IF YOU GO ONLINE TO THE

708
00:18:45,124 --> 00:18:46,190
FOOTNOTE IT CITES, AND CLICK ON

709
00:18:46,191 --> 00:18:47,458
IT, YOU GET SENT TO THIS

710
00:18:47,459 --> 00:18:49,494
WEBSITE, "SHE WON," WHERE ANYONE

711
00:18:49,495 --> 00:18:50,661
CAN SUBMIT AN INSTANCE OF A CIS

712
00:18:50,662 --> 00:18:52,730
WOMAN LOSING TO A TRANS WOMAN,

713
00:18:52,731 --> 00:18:53,898
ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD, IN ANY

714
00:18:53,899 --> 00:18:56,367
COMPETITION, BIG OR SMALL.

715
00:18:56,368 --> 00:18:57,602
THE AUTHOR OF THAT REPORT

716
00:18:57,603 --> 00:18:59,337
INSISTED TO US "I DID NOT RELY

717
00:18:59,338 --> 00:19:00,738
ONLY ON THIS SOURCE," BUT I WILL

718
00:19:00,739 --> 00:19:02,273
SAY: THE NUMBERS SHE CITES DO

719
00:19:02,274 --> 00:19:03,374
MATCH WHAT WAS ON THE SITE BACK

720
00:19:03,375 --> 00:19:04,442
THEN, AND THEY INCLUDED

721
00:19:04,443 --> 00:19:06,811
COMPETITIONS ALL THE WAY BACK TO

722
00:19:06,812 --> 00:19:09,881
2001, AND DOWN TO THE LEVEL OF A

723
00:19:09,882 --> 00:19:11,382
"FUN RUN" IN TOPEKA, KANSAS AND

724
00:19:11,383 --> 00:19:12,817
AN IRISH DANCE COMPETITION, AS

725
00:19:12,818 --> 00:19:14,185
WELL AS ACTIVITIES WHERE GENDER

726
00:19:14,186 --> 00:19:14,719
CONFERS NO ADVANTAGE, LIKE

727
00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,622
POKER.

728
00:19:17,623 --> 00:19:19,290
ALSO, OVER 100 ENTRIES ON THE

729
00:19:19,291 --> 00:19:19,891
LIST ARE IN THE FIELD OF DISC

730
00:19:19,892 --> 00:19:22,960
GOLF.

731
00:19:22,961 --> 00:19:23,995
WHICH-- IF YOU'RE UNFAMILIAR--

732
00:19:23,996 --> 00:19:24,996
INVOLVES FRISBEES BEING THROWN

733
00:19:24,997 --> 00:19:27,665
INTO THIS THING, SOME KIND OF

734
00:19:27,666 --> 00:19:29,100
GUANTANAMO FOR BIRDS.

735
00:19:29,101 --> 00:19:30,935
AND AS IF THAT WEREN'T ENOUGH,

736
00:19:30,936 --> 00:19:32,069
THE WAY THEY GOT TO THAT 900

737
00:19:32,070 --> 00:19:33,337
NUMBER HAS TO DO WITH HOW THEY

738
00:19:33,338 --> 00:19:34,372
COUNTED THE WINS.

739
00:19:34,373 --> 00:19:37,141
BECAUSE ON THE LIST, ONE TRANS

740
00:19:37,142 --> 00:19:39,277
WOMAN FINISHING FIRST COUNTS AS

741
00:19:39,278 --> 00:19:40,511
THREE DENIED MEDALS.

742
00:19:40,512 --> 00:19:41,512
THE LOGIC BEING THE SECOND-PLACE

743
00:19:41,513 --> 00:19:42,613
FINISHER SHOULD'VE COME FIRST,

744
00:19:42,614 --> 00:19:44,382
THE THIRD-PLACE FINISHER

745
00:19:44,383 --> 00:19:44,982
SHOULD'VE COME SECOND, AND THE

746
00:19:44,983 --> 00:19:45,883
FOURTH-PLACE FINISHER SHOULD'VE

747
00:19:45,884 --> 00:19:46,984
COME THIRD.

748
00:19:46,985 --> 00:19:48,252
AND LOOK, SOME WILL ARGUE IT

749
00:19:48,253 --> 00:19:50,821
DOESN'T MATTER HOW MINOR THE

750
00:19:50,822 --> 00:19:52,390
COMPETITION, THE WOMEN ON THE

751
00:19:52,391 --> 00:19:53,024
LIST WERE ALL UNFAIRLY DEPRIVED

752
00:19:53,025 --> 00:19:55,493
OF THEIR RIGHTFUL PLACE.

753
00:19:55,494 --> 00:19:56,060
BUT EVEN SOME OF THOSE WOMEN

754
00:19:56,061 --> 00:19:56,928
DON'T FEEL THAT WAY.

755
00:19:56,929 --> 00:20:00,164
THIS ONE, A DISC GOLFER, HAS

756
00:20:00,165 --> 00:20:02,200
PUBLICLY STATED SHE'S "HAPPY TO

757
00:20:02,201 --> 00:20:03,834
SEE TRANS PEOPLE IN DISC GOLF."

758
00:20:03,835 --> 00:20:05,736
AND AN AMATEUR CYCLIST NAMED

759
00:20:05,737 --> 00:20:06,771
KRISTEN CHALMERS IS ACTUALLY ON

760
00:20:06,772 --> 00:20:08,472
THE LIST TWICE, BECAUSE FOR SOME

761
00:20:08,473 --> 00:20:09,907
REASON, A SINGLE RACE SHE LOST

762
00:20:09,908 --> 00:20:11,309
IS ON THERE UNDER TWO DIFFERENT

763
00:20:11,310 --> 00:20:13,444
SPELLINGS OF HER NAME.

764
00:20:13,445 --> 00:20:14,745
SHE CAME IN THIRD, BEHIND TWO

765
00:20:14,746 --> 00:20:16,581
TRANS WOMEN, BUT SHE'S MADE IT

766
00:20:16,582 --> 00:20:18,316
CLEAR-- THEY'RE HER FRIENDS AND

767
00:20:18,317 --> 00:20:18,883
SHE HAS NO PROBLEM COMPETING

768
00:20:18,884 --> 00:20:21,385
WITH THEM.

769
00:20:21,386 --> 00:20:22,520
I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE

770
00:20:22,521 --> 00:20:23,688
RIDICULOUS TO SAY THAT MY LIFE

771
00:20:23,689 --> 00:20:24,422
IS BEING RUINED BY GETTING THIRD

772
00:20:24,423 --> 00:20:25,289
IN THIS.

773
00:20:25,290 --> 00:20:27,291
IT WOULD BE RIDICULOUS TO

774
00:20:27,292 --> 00:20:29,660
SACRIFICE OTHER PEOPLE GETTING

775
00:20:29,661 --> 00:20:30,461
TO HAVE FUN IN A SPORT THAT THEY

776
00:20:30,462 --> 00:20:32,597
LOVE ON THE WEEKENDS SO THAT I

777
00:20:32,598 --> 00:20:33,130
COULD SAY I WAS THE STATE

778
00:20:33,131 --> 00:20:35,533
CHAMPION.

779
00:20:35,534 --> 00:20:35,967
John: YEAH.

780
00:20:35,968 --> 00:20:36,567
YOU CAN TELL SHE'S NOT UPSET,

781
00:20:36,568 --> 00:20:37,501
BECAUSE A, SHE'S GIGGLING

782
00:20:37,502 --> 00:20:39,503
THROUGH THAT INTERVIEW, AND B,

783
00:20:39,504 --> 00:20:40,171
THAT'S A VERY HAPPY-LOOKING

784
00:20:40,172 --> 00:20:43,007
PHOTO.

785
00:20:43,008 --> 00:20:48,012
I HAVE, AND THIS IS TRUE, NEVER

786
00:20:48,013 --> 00:20:48,613
ONCE SMILED THAT FREELY IN MY

787
00:20:48,614 --> 00:20:49,080
LIFE.

788
00:20:49,081 --> 00:20:49,614
LOOK HOW JOYFUL THEY ARE!

789
00:20:49,615 --> 00:20:50,147
THAT LOOKS LIKE AN AD FOR

790
00:20:50,148 --> 00:20:50,781
CYCLING, OR FOR HAVING FRIENDS,

791
00:20:50,782 --> 00:20:51,682
OR, HONESTLY?

792
00:20:51,683 --> 00:20:55,086
JUST FOR MUD.

793
00:20:55,087 --> 00:20:56,320
SO FOR ALL THE TALK OF HOW TRANS

794
00:20:56,321 --> 00:20:57,722
WOMEN ARE SO DOMINANT, THEY'LL

795
00:20:57,723 --> 00:20:59,523
SPELL THE END OF WOMEN'S SPORTS,

796
00:20:59,524 --> 00:21:02,493
THE NUMBER PEOPLE KEEP CITING TO

797
00:21:02,494 --> 00:21:03,160
PROVE THAT HAS A PRETTY BIG

798
00:21:03,161 --> 00:21:04,996
THUMB ON THE SCALE.

799
00:21:04,997 --> 00:21:06,664
AND EVEN THE FAMOUS INDIVIDUAL

800
00:21:06,665 --> 00:21:07,265
CASES ARE SOMETIMES MISSING A

801
00:21:07,266 --> 00:21:11,202
LOT OF CONTEXT.

802
00:21:11,203 --> 00:21:11,802
YOU MAY'VE SEEN THIS PHOTO OF

803
00:21:11,803 --> 00:21:13,404
TWO TRANS HIGH-SCHOOL RUNNERS IN

804
00:21:13,405 --> 00:21:13,971
CONNECTICUT COMING FIRST AND

805
00:21:13,972 --> 00:21:15,606
SECOND AT A STATE TRACK MEET.

806
00:21:15,607 --> 00:21:16,140
THEY WERE THE SUBJECT OF A

807
00:21:16,141 --> 00:21:17,341
LAWSUIT CLAIMING, AMONG OTHER

808
00:21:17,342 --> 00:21:18,943
THINGS, THEIR PARTICIPATION

809
00:21:18,944 --> 00:21:21,612
WASN'T JUST UNFAIR, IT

810
00:21:21,613 --> 00:21:22,980
THREATENED TO DEPRIVE THEIR

811
00:21:22,981 --> 00:21:25,216
COMPETITORS OF SCHOLARSHIPS.

812
00:21:25,217 --> 00:21:26,484
BUT YOU SHOULD KNOW, ONE OF THE

813
00:21:26,485 --> 00:21:27,118
PLAINTIFFS ACTUALLY BEAT ONE OF

814
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:28,953
THOSE GIRLS TWICE, TWO DAYS

815
00:21:28,954 --> 00:21:30,221
AFTER THE SUIT WAS FILED.

816
00:21:30,222 --> 00:21:32,123
ALSO, MOST OF THE PLAINTIFFS

817
00:21:32,124 --> 00:21:34,325
ENDED UP GETTING SCHOLARSHIPS,

818
00:21:34,326 --> 00:21:34,825
WHILE THESE TWO, DIDN'T.

819
00:21:34,826 --> 00:21:37,161
BUT THE MOST FAMOUS EXAMPLE IS

820
00:21:37,162 --> 00:21:38,095
PROBABLY LIA THOMAS.

821
00:21:38,096 --> 00:21:39,096
AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, SHE'S A

822
00:21:39,097 --> 00:21:40,398
SWIMMER WHO INITIALLY COMPETED

823
00:21:40,399 --> 00:21:41,132
ON THE UNIVERSITY OF

824
00:21:41,133 --> 00:21:42,767
PENNSYLVANIA MEN'S TEAM--

825
00:21:42,768 --> 00:21:43,901
INCLUDING ONE YEAR WHILE

826
00:21:43,902 --> 00:21:44,535
UNDERGOING HORMONE THERAPY AS A

827
00:21:44,536 --> 00:21:49,006
PART OF HER MEDICAL TRANSITION,

828
00:21:49,007 --> 00:21:49,707
AS PER THE NCAA'S RULES AT THE

829
00:21:49,708 --> 00:21:49,907
TIME.

830
00:21:49,908 --> 00:21:50,975
SHE MADE NATIONAL HEADLINES

831
00:21:50,976 --> 00:21:52,443
AFTER SHE WON THE NCAA

832
00:21:52,444 --> 00:21:53,844
CHAMPIONSHIP IN THE WOMEN'S 500

833
00:21:53,845 --> 00:21:55,179
FREESTYLE.

834
00:21:55,180 --> 00:21:56,147
SHE GOT A GOOD TIME IN THAT RACE

835
00:21:56,148 --> 00:21:57,982
-- HER BEST OF THE SEASON--

836
00:21:57,983 --> 00:22:00,384
ALTHOUGH IT WAS ALSO A FULL NINE

837
00:22:00,385 --> 00:22:01,786
SECONDS BEHIND THE RECORD SET BY

838
00:22:01,787 --> 00:22:04,455
KATIE LEDECKY.

839
00:22:04,456 --> 00:22:05,089
IT'S ALSO THE ONLY RACE SHE WON

840
00:22:05,090 --> 00:22:05,523
AT THAT MEET.

841
00:22:05,524 --> 00:22:06,057
SHE CAME IN 8TH IN THE 100

842
00:22:06,058 --> 00:22:07,425
FREESTYLE.

843
00:22:07,426 --> 00:22:09,327
AND, IN WHAT'S WEIRDLY HER MOST

844
00:22:09,328 --> 00:22:12,096
CONSEQUENTIAL RACE, SHE TIED FOR

845
00:22:12,097 --> 00:22:13,431
FIFTH IN THE 200 FREE WITH RILEY

846
00:22:13,432 --> 00:22:14,832
GAINES, WHO CATAPULTED TO

847
00:22:14,833 --> 00:22:16,467
CONSERVATIVE STARDOM OFF THE

848
00:22:16,468 --> 00:22:16,867
BACK OF THAT RACE.

849
00:22:16,868 --> 00:22:18,135
AND I'LL LET RILEY HERSELF TELL

850
00:22:18,136 --> 00:22:20,204
YOU THE STORY OF HOW LIA THOMAS

851
00:22:20,205 --> 00:22:22,373
AND THE NCAA WRONGED HER.

852
00:22:22,374 --> 00:22:23,641
I LOOK UP AT THE BOARD.

853
00:22:23,642 --> 00:22:25,476
BEFORE I EVEN LOOKED AT MY NAME,

854
00:22:25,477 --> 00:22:27,311
I LOOKED AT THOMAS' NAME, AND I

855
00:22:27,312 --> 00:22:28,713
SAW THE NUMBER FIVE.

856
00:22:28,714 --> 00:22:30,381
AND I LOOK BESIDE MY NAME AND

857
00:22:30,382 --> 00:22:31,615
THERE'S A FIVE.

858
00:22:31,616 --> 00:22:33,851
THE NCAA OFFICIAL LOOKS AT

859
00:22:33,852 --> 00:22:35,586
THOMAS AND MYSELF AND SAYS,

860
00:22:35,587 --> 00:22:37,955
"GREAT JOB, BUT YOU GUYS TIED,

861
00:22:37,956 --> 00:22:39,857
AND WE ONLY HAVE ONE TROPHY, SO

862
00:22:39,858 --> 00:22:42,093
WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THIS TROPHY

863
00:22:42,094 --> 00:22:45,162
TO LIA."

864
00:22:45,163 --> 00:22:45,763
THOMAS HELD THE TROPHY FOR

865
00:22:45,764 --> 00:22:47,565
FIFTH PLACE.

866
00:22:47,566 --> 00:22:51,168
GAINES HELD THE ONE FOR SIXTH.

867
00:22:51,169 --> 00:22:54,071
THEY TOLD ME WHEN PICTURES

868
00:22:54,072 --> 00:22:55,940
WERE BEING TAKEN, THOMAS HAD TO

869
00:22:55,941 --> 00:22:57,007
HAVE THE TROPHY, WHICH JUST

870
00:22:57,008 --> 00:22:58,409
REDUCED IT DOWN TO A PHOTO OP.

871
00:22:58,410 --> 00:23:04,482
I FELT SO BELITTLED.

872
00:23:04,483 --> 00:23:06,317
I FELT SO BETRAYED.

873
00:23:06,318 --> 00:23:08,452
John: OKAY, SO A FEW THINGS:

874
00:23:08,453 --> 00:23:10,020
FIRST, THAT'S A STORY ABOUT HOW

875
00:23:10,021 --> 00:23:11,322
LIA THOMAS PREVENTED RILEY

876
00:23:11,323 --> 00:23:11,956
GAINES FROM GETTING FIFTH PLACE

877
00:23:11,957 --> 00:23:14,492
INSTEAD OF FIFTH PLACE.

878
00:23:14,493 --> 00:23:16,293
SECOND, THOSE TROPHIES LOOK

879
00:23:16,294 --> 00:23:19,263
ABSOLUTELY IDENTICAL.

880
00:23:19,264 --> 00:23:19,864
THIRD, YES, IT WAS A PHOTO OP,

881
00:23:19,865 --> 00:23:20,698
IN THE SENSE THAT EVERYBODY

882
00:23:20,699 --> 00:23:21,732
ARRANGED THEMSELVES FOR THE

883
00:23:21,733 --> 00:23:22,833
PURPOSES OF TAKING A PHOTO.

884
00:23:22,834 --> 00:23:24,001
AND WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT

885
00:23:24,002 --> 00:23:25,970
PHOTO OPS, I DON'T KNOW, MAN.

886
00:23:25,971 --> 00:23:27,972
YOU WERE ON STAGE AT CPAC SO AN

887
00:23:27,973 --> 00:23:29,240
OBJECTIVELY DROWNABLE MAN COULD

888
00:23:29,241 --> 00:23:29,874
ANNOUNCE THAT HE'D BEAT YOU IN A

889
00:23:29,875 --> 00:23:30,741
RACE.

890
00:23:30,742 --> 00:23:36,580
THAT'S ABOUT AS PHOTO OPPY AS IT

891
00:23:36,581 --> 00:23:39,483
IS EVER GONNA GET.

892
00:23:39,484 --> 00:23:39,984
SO JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR,

893
00:23:39,985 --> 00:23:40,618
LIA THOMAS DIDN'T TAKE ANYTHING

894
00:23:40,619 --> 00:23:41,018
FROM RILEY GAINES.

895
00:23:41,019 --> 00:23:42,353
IN FACT, YOU COULD ARGUE, SHE

896
00:23:42,354 --> 00:23:43,654
GAVE A LOT TO HER, AS GAINES

897
00:23:43,655 --> 00:23:45,122
LATER DECIDED TO FORGO DENTAL

898
00:23:45,123 --> 00:23:46,056
SCHOOL IN ORDER TO BE AN

899
00:23:46,057 --> 00:23:47,458
ACTIVIST AND SPEAKER.

900
00:23:47,459 --> 00:23:50,628
SHE NOW HAS HER OWN ADVOCACY

901
00:23:50,629 --> 00:23:51,162
CENTER, AND HAS PERSONALLY

902
00:23:51,163 --> 00:23:51,629
LOBBIED MULTIPLE STATE

903
00:23:51,630 --> 00:23:52,730
LEGISLATURES FOR BANS, ALL TO

904
00:23:52,731 --> 00:23:54,331
ADDRESS THE THREAT POSED TO

905
00:23:54,332 --> 00:23:55,833
WOMEN'S SPORTS BY A WOMAN WHO

906
00:23:55,834 --> 00:23:57,568
SWAM EXACTLY AS FAST AS SHE DID,

907
00:23:57,569 --> 00:23:58,369
TO THE LITERAL HUNDREDTH OF A

908
00:23:58,370 --> 00:24:00,738
SECOND.

909
00:24:00,739 --> 00:24:02,440
SO, FROM THE "900 MEDALS" TO THE

910
00:24:02,441 --> 00:24:04,375
SCHOLARSHIPS THESE GIRLS DIDN'T

911
00:24:04,376 --> 00:24:05,910
GET, TO THE MOST FAMOUS

912
00:24:05,911 --> 00:24:07,845
FIFTH-PLACE FINISHER IN HUMAN

913
00:24:07,846 --> 00:24:09,113
HISTORY, THE COMPETITION

914
00:24:09,114 --> 00:24:10,748
ARGUMENT IS ALREADY A LOT WEAKER

915
00:24:10,749 --> 00:24:14,285
THAN IT TENDS TO GET PRESENTED.

916
00:24:14,286 --> 00:24:14,852
SO WHAT ABOUT SAFETY?

917
00:24:14,853 --> 00:24:15,586
WELL, FIRST, IN PLENTY OF

918
00:24:15,587 --> 00:24:17,054
SPORTS, LIKE TRACK AND SWIMMING,

919
00:24:17,055 --> 00:24:17,822
THERE IS NO SAFETY THREAT,

920
00:24:17,823 --> 00:24:18,389
BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT CONTACT

921
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:19,690
SPORTS.

922
00:24:19,691 --> 00:24:21,525
BUT IN OTHERS, LIKE BASKETBALL

923
00:24:21,526 --> 00:24:23,260
AND VOLLEYBALL, THERE CLEARLY IS

924
00:24:23,261 --> 00:24:24,261
SOME AMOUNT OF CONTACT, EITHER

925
00:24:24,262 --> 00:24:24,929
WITH ANOTHER BODY, OR WITH A

926
00:24:24,930 --> 00:24:26,864
BALL.

927
00:24:26,865 --> 00:24:28,332
BUT EVEN THERE, THE BIG

928
00:24:28,333 --> 00:24:30,301
ANECDOTES THAT GET THROWN AROUND

929
00:24:30,302 --> 00:24:31,902
TEND TO BE MORE COMPLICATED.

930
00:24:31,903 --> 00:24:33,337
THE MOST FAMOUS EXAMPLE CONCERNS

931
00:24:33,338 --> 00:24:34,438
PAYTON MCNABB, A THREE-SPORT

932
00:24:34,439 --> 00:24:35,906
HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETE WHO WAS HIT

933
00:24:35,907 --> 00:24:36,941
IN THE FACE BY A SPIKE DURING A

934
00:24:36,942 --> 00:24:39,076
VOLLEYBALL MATCH.

935
00:24:39,077 --> 00:24:39,944
SHE SUFFERED INJURIES INCLUDING

936
00:24:39,945 --> 00:24:40,711
A CONCUSSION, AND STARTED

937
00:24:40,712 --> 00:24:42,146
SPEAKING OUT AGAINST THE

938
00:24:42,147 --> 00:24:43,314
POLICIES THAT ALLOWED THE TRANS

939
00:24:43,315 --> 00:24:43,914
PLAYER WHO SPIKED THE BALL TO

940
00:24:43,915 --> 00:24:44,849
PLAY.

941
00:24:44,850 --> 00:24:46,584
THE VIDEO OF HER GETTING HIT

942
00:24:46,585 --> 00:24:47,985
OFTEN MAKES THE ROUNDS IN THESE

943
00:24:47,986 --> 00:24:50,254
DEBATES, AND SHE TOLD HER STORY

944
00:24:50,255 --> 00:24:51,155
TO THE NORTH CAROLINA STATE

945
00:24:51,156 --> 00:24:52,656
LEGISLATURE BEFORE THEY

946
00:24:52,657 --> 00:24:54,725
IMPLEMENTED THEIR BAN.

947
00:24:54,726 --> 00:24:55,826
SHE ALSO ATTENDED TRUMP'S

948
00:24:55,827 --> 00:24:56,527
ADDRESS TO CONGRESS, AND

949
00:24:56,528 --> 00:24:58,429
APPEARED IN A VIDEO ABOUT THE

950
00:24:58,430 --> 00:24:59,096
INCIDENT, PRODUCED BY AN

951
00:24:59,097 --> 00:25:00,431
ACTIVIST GROUP FOR WHICH SHE AND

952
00:25:00,432 --> 00:25:00,865
RILEY GAINES ARE NOW

953
00:25:00,866 --> 00:25:02,099
AMBASSADORS.

954
00:25:02,100 --> 00:25:04,101
A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, I WAS

955
00:25:04,102 --> 00:25:06,237
SEVERELY INJURED IN A HIGH

956
00:25:06,238 --> 00:25:08,639
SCHOOL VOLLEYBALL GAME BY A MALE

957
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,175
ON THE OPPOSING TEAM, LEAVING ME

958
00:25:11,176 --> 00:25:12,776
WITH PERMANENT INJURIES THAT THE

959
00:25:12,777 --> 00:25:14,111
DOCTORS DON'T KNOW IF I'LL EVER

960
00:25:14,112 --> 00:25:14,979
BE ABLE TO RECOVER FROM.

961
00:25:14,980 --> 00:25:18,883
BECAUSE OF MY CAREER ENDING

962
00:25:18,884 --> 00:25:20,518
INJURY, UM, I WAS NO LONGER ABLE

963
00:25:20,519 --> 00:25:21,151
TO PERFORM THE WAY I HAD THE IN

964
00:25:21,152 --> 00:25:26,056
THE PAST.

965
00:25:26,057 --> 00:25:26,624
PROGRESSIVE GENDER IDEOLOGY

966
00:25:26,625 --> 00:25:27,992
BEING PUSHED SO HARSHLY IS

967
00:25:27,993 --> 00:25:29,426
EXACTLY THE ROOT OF WHY THIS WAS

968
00:25:29,427 --> 00:25:31,295
ALLOWED TO HAPPEN TO ME.

969
00:25:31,296 --> 00:25:34,298
IF IT WASN'T PUSHED SO HARSHLY,

970
00:25:34,299 --> 00:25:34,832
THIS COULD HAVE BEEN 100%

971
00:25:34,833 --> 00:25:40,304
AVOIDED.

972
00:25:40,305 --> 00:25:40,905
John: OKAY, I'LL SAY THIS,

973
00:25:40,906 --> 00:25:43,073
UNLIKE HOLDING UP A TROPHY WITH

974
00:25:43,074 --> 00:25:43,974
A 6 ON IT FOR 40 SECONDS, A

975
00:25:43,975 --> 00:25:46,677
CONCUSSION IS GENUINELY

976
00:25:46,678 --> 00:25:46,944
TRAUMATIC.

977
00:25:46,945 --> 00:25:47,578
THOUGH, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, SHE

978
00:25:47,579 --> 00:25:48,178
DID GO ON TO PLAY SOFTBALL IN

979
00:25:48,179 --> 00:25:48,812
THE SPRING, AND DID PRETTY WELL,

980
00:25:48,813 --> 00:25:49,947
JUDGING BY HER SCHOOL POSTING

981
00:25:49,948 --> 00:25:51,382
THIS IMAGE ABOUT HER MAKING THE

982
00:25:51,383 --> 00:25:52,816
ALL-CONFERENCE TEAM, AND HER

983
00:25:52,817 --> 00:25:54,285
LOCAL PAPER POINTING OUT SHE

984
00:25:54,286 --> 00:25:55,953
HELPED HER TEAM TO A 5-0 START.

985
00:25:55,954 --> 00:25:57,221
AND I'M NOT SAYING SHE WASN'T

986
00:25:57,222 --> 00:25:59,423
INJURED, OR THAT IT DIDN'T HAVE

987
00:25:59,424 --> 00:26:01,325
SOME IMPACT ON HER PERFORMANCE.

988
00:26:01,326 --> 00:26:02,426
BUT A LOT OF THE GROUPS HEAVILY

989
00:26:02,427 --> 00:26:03,861
PUSHING THIS STORY SEEM TO BE

990
00:26:03,862 --> 00:26:05,896
OVERSELLING IT, INCLUDING

991
00:26:05,897 --> 00:26:07,831
CHOOSING TO TITLE THAT VIDEO,

992
00:26:07,832 --> 00:26:09,867
"KILL SHOT: HOW PAYTON MCNABB

993
00:26:09,868 --> 00:26:11,569
TURNED TRAGEDY INTO TRIUMPH."

994
00:26:11,570 --> 00:26:12,903
BECAUSE "KILL SHOT" IS NOT A

995
00:26:12,904 --> 00:26:14,471
GOOD TITLE FOR A TEENAGE GIRL

996
00:26:14,472 --> 00:26:16,473
WHO IS VERY MUCH ALIVE AND

997
00:26:16,474 --> 00:26:17,708
TALKING TO CAMERA.

998
00:26:17,709 --> 00:26:21,512
"KILL SHOT" IS EITHER A MOVIE

999
00:26:21,513 --> 00:26:21,979
WHERE KEANU REEVES AND

1000
00:26:21,980 --> 00:26:22,713
ANA DE ARMAS, OPPOSING SPIES AND

1001
00:26:22,714 --> 00:26:23,447
DEVASTATING MARKSMEN, FALL IN

1002
00:26:23,448 --> 00:26:24,615
LOVE, OR A HUNTING REALITY SHOW

1003
00:26:24,616 --> 00:26:26,183
THAT GETS CANCELED AFTER ITS

1004
00:26:26,184 --> 00:26:28,185
HOST, DONALD TRUMP JR., IS

1005
00:26:28,186 --> 00:26:31,255
MAULED BY A MOOSE IN HEAT.

1006
00:26:31,256 --> 00:26:33,157
AND THAT'S NOT THE ONLY

1007
00:26:33,158 --> 00:26:34,959
VOLLEYBALL-RELATED STORY THAT'S

1008
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:35,526
BEEN OVERSOLD.

1009
00:26:35,527 --> 00:26:36,860
LAST YEAR, THERE WAS A

1010
00:26:36,861 --> 00:26:38,295
CONTROVERSY OVER A TRANS PLAYER

1011
00:26:38,296 --> 00:26:40,030
FOR SAN JOSE STATE UNIVERSITY.

1012
00:26:40,031 --> 00:26:42,333
OTHER TEAMS FORFEITED GAMES

1013
00:26:42,334 --> 00:26:43,467
RATHER THAN COMPETE WITH HER,

1014
00:26:43,468 --> 00:26:44,401
AND ONE OF HER OWN TEAMMATES

1015
00:26:44,402 --> 00:26:45,769
JOINED A LAWSUIT TO STOP HER

1016
00:26:45,770 --> 00:26:47,037
FROM PLAYING.

1017
00:26:47,038 --> 00:26:48,472
BUT WATCH AS THIS STORY MENTIONS

1018
00:26:48,473 --> 00:26:50,174
SOMETHING AT THE END THAT PUTS A

1019
00:26:50,175 --> 00:26:51,241
BIT OF AN ASTERISK ON THAT

1020
00:26:51,242 --> 00:26:52,810
TEAMMATE'S ARGUMENT.

1021
00:26:52,811 --> 00:26:55,012
WHEN ASKED ABOUT HOW AND WHY

1022
00:26:55,013 --> 00:26:56,413
SHE FELT UNSAFE, SLUSSER SAID--

1023
00:26:56,414 --> 00:26:58,816
THE HEIGHT THAT THE PERSON

1024
00:26:58,817 --> 00:27:01,619
CAN JUMP IS SO MUCH HIGHER AND

1025
00:27:01,620 --> 00:27:04,588
HONESTLY HIGHER FOR A MAN.

1026
00:27:04,589 --> 00:27:06,991
IT'S INSANE.

1027
00:27:06,992 --> 00:27:08,626
AND THEN THE STRENGTH BEHIND THE

1028
00:27:08,627 --> 00:27:10,494
BALL WHEN THEY'RE SWINGING IS

1029
00:27:10,495 --> 00:27:12,262
ALSO JUST SO MUCH MORE POWERFUL.

1030
00:27:12,263 --> 00:27:13,497
BUT HER TRANSGENDER TEAMMATES

1031
00:27:13,498 --> 00:27:14,932
STATS DON'T APPEAR TO GIVE THE

1032
00:27:14,933 --> 00:27:16,400
SPARTANS A DRAMATIC UPPER HAND.

1033
00:27:16,401 --> 00:27:18,535
THE SAN JOSE STATE WOMEN'S

1034
00:27:18,536 --> 00:27:20,170
VOLLEYBALL TEAM IS RANKED 119TH

1035
00:27:20,171 --> 00:27:21,839
NATIONALLY.

1036
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:28,913
John: WOW.

1037
00:27:29,714 --> 00:27:30,114
YOU MUST BE IN A VERY

1038
00:27:30,115 --> 00:27:30,681
COMPETITIVE LEAGUE, SINCE IT

1039
00:27:30,682 --> 00:27:31,281
SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE GOT ONE OF

1040
00:27:31,282 --> 00:27:32,282
THE AVENGERS ON YOUR TEAM, AND

1041
00:27:32,283 --> 00:27:33,250
SOMEHOW, YOU'RE ONLY RANKED

1042
00:27:33,251 --> 00:27:34,885
119TH.

1043
00:27:34,886 --> 00:27:36,086
THAT LAWSUIT INITIALLY CLAIMED

1044
00:27:36,087 --> 00:27:36,954
THE PLAYER'S SPIKES WERE

1045
00:27:36,955 --> 00:27:38,756
ESTIMATED TO BE TRAVELING UPWARD

1046
00:27:38,757 --> 00:27:39,657
OF 80 MILES PER HOUR-- A SPEED,

1047
00:27:39,658 --> 00:27:41,091
BY THE WAY, THAT WOULD MAKE HER

1048
00:27:41,092 --> 00:27:42,760
AS POWERFUL AS SOME OF THE

1049
00:27:42,761 --> 00:27:43,927
HARDEST-HITTING MEN'S VOLLEYBALL

1050
00:27:43,928 --> 00:27:45,796
PLAYERS IN HISTORY.

1051
00:27:45,797 --> 00:27:47,464
BUT WHEN ESPN USED CAMERA

1052
00:27:47,465 --> 00:27:49,066
CALIBRATION SOFTWARE TO ANALYZE

1053
00:27:49,067 --> 00:27:50,467
VIDEO OF FIVE OF HER SPIKES--

1054
00:27:50,468 --> 00:27:51,535
INCLUDING ONES THAT WENT VIRAL

1055
00:27:51,536 --> 00:27:53,737
FOR BEING "DANGEROUS"-- THEY

1056
00:27:53,738 --> 00:27:54,304
AVERAGED AROUND 50 MILES AN

1057
00:27:54,305 --> 00:27:54,505
HOUR.

1058
00:27:54,506 --> 00:27:55,973
WHICH IS FAST!

1059
00:27:55,974 --> 00:27:57,508
BUT IT'S ALSO A FULL SPEED LIMIT

1060
00:27:57,509 --> 00:28:00,644
IN THE SUBURBS SLOWER THAN WHAT

1061
00:28:00,645 --> 00:28:01,679
THE LAWSUIT INITIALLY CLAIMED.

1062
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:02,646
AND LOOK, THEY'VE SINCE AMENDED

1063
00:28:02,647 --> 00:28:04,548
THAT LAWSUIT, DELETING THE "80

1064
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:06,417
MILES PER HOUR" LINE, TELLING US

1065
00:28:06,418 --> 00:28:07,885
IT WAS A MISTAKE, AND THAT THEY

1066
00:28:07,886 --> 00:28:08,385
MEANT TO SAY 60 INSTEAD.

1067
00:28:08,386 --> 00:28:09,987
THOUGH, NOTABLY, THEY ONLY DID

1068
00:28:09,988 --> 00:28:11,989
THAT AFTER ESPN PUBLISHED ITS

1069
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:13,357
REPORT.

1070
00:28:13,358 --> 00:28:16,126
THE POINT IS, HER SPIKES WERE

1071
00:28:16,127 --> 00:28:17,628
NOWHERE NEAR RECORD-SETTING,

1072
00:28:17,629 --> 00:28:19,530
WHICH MAY BE WHY SHE DIDN'T RANK

1073
00:28:19,531 --> 00:28:20,564
IN THE TOP 150 IN HITTING

1074
00:28:20,565 --> 00:28:22,700
PERCENTAGE IN THE NCAA.

1075
00:28:22,701 --> 00:28:24,535
AND LOOK, SOME TRANS KIDS ARE

1076
00:28:24,536 --> 00:28:26,103
GOING TO INJURE THEIR OPPONENTS,

1077
00:28:26,104 --> 00:28:28,238
THE SAME WAY ANY KID WILL.

1078
00:28:28,239 --> 00:28:30,841
AND CONCUSSIONS ARE HORRIBLE,

1079
00:28:30,842 --> 00:28:32,242
THOUGH THEY'RE ALSO NOT THAT

1080
00:28:32,243 --> 00:28:33,877
UNCOMMON IN YOUTH SPORTS, GIVEN

1081
00:28:33,878 --> 00:28:35,179
BETWEEN 1 TO 2 MILLION OF THEM

1082
00:28:35,180 --> 00:28:36,613
HAPPEN EVERY YEAR.

1083
00:28:36,614 --> 00:28:38,549
EVEN IN THE WAKE OF PAYTON

1084
00:28:38,550 --> 00:28:39,950
MCNABB'S INJURY, TWO COACHES

1085
00:28:39,951 --> 00:28:41,318
WHOSE TEAM HAD PLAYED AGAINST

1086
00:28:41,319 --> 00:28:41,819
THE TRANS PLAYER FOR THE

1087
00:28:41,820 --> 00:28:43,654
PREVIOUS FOUR YEARS, SPOKE UP AT

1088
00:28:43,655 --> 00:28:45,389
A SCHOOL BOARD MEETING TO SAY

1089
00:28:45,390 --> 00:28:47,558
THEY WAS HAPPY TO KEEP DOING SO.

1090
00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:48,892
ONE APPARENTLY TOLD THE MEETING,

1091
00:28:48,893 --> 00:28:50,294
"EVERY TIME A STUDENT PLAYS,

1092
00:28:50,295 --> 00:28:51,929
THERE'S AN INHERENT RISK OF

1093
00:28:51,930 --> 00:28:53,363
INJURY," AND THAT SHE'D SEEN CIS

1094
00:28:53,364 --> 00:28:54,965
GIRLS HIT THE BALL HARDER THAN

1095
00:28:54,966 --> 00:28:56,834
THE ONE IN THE VIDEO.

1096
00:28:56,835 --> 00:28:57,968
AND THE OTHER COACH ASKED, IF

1097
00:28:57,969 --> 00:29:03,507
THEY'RE SLATED TO PLAY A TEAM

1098
00:29:03,508 --> 00:29:04,842
WITH A PLAYER WHO IS "100%

1099
00:29:04,843 --> 00:29:05,409
GIRL," AND SHE HITS THE BALL

1100
00:29:05,410 --> 00:29:05,943
HARDER THAN THE PLAYER IN

1101
00:29:05,944 --> 00:29:06,543
QUESTION, SHOULD THAT GAME BE

1102
00:29:06,544 --> 00:29:06,810
FORFEITED?

1103
00:29:06,811 --> 00:29:09,747
AND THAT'S THE THING-- THE

1104
00:29:09,748 --> 00:29:11,615
STANDARD CAN'T BE "NO TRANS KID

1105
00:29:11,616 --> 00:29:12,483
EVER INJURES SOMEONE" BECAUSE

1106
00:29:12,484 --> 00:29:15,085
THAT'S AN IMPOSSIBLE STANDARD.

1107
00:29:15,086 --> 00:29:17,354
AND YES, IF TRANS KIDS WERE

1108
00:29:17,355 --> 00:29:19,523
INJURING CIS KIDS AT MUCH HIGHER

1109
00:29:19,524 --> 00:29:21,091
RATES, THEN WE COULD HAVE SAFETY

1110
00:29:21,092 --> 00:29:22,760
CONCERNS TO ADDRESS, BUT THERE'S

1111
00:29:22,761 --> 00:29:25,929
NO EVIDENCE THAT'S THE CASE.

1112
00:29:25,930 --> 00:29:27,765
AND AT THIS POINT, IT'S WORTH

1113
00:29:27,766 --> 00:29:28,398
ASKING WHAT'S REALLY BEHIND ALL

1114
00:29:28,399 --> 00:29:30,768
THIS VITRIOL?

1115
00:29:30,769 --> 00:29:32,102
BECAUSE, AGAIN, I DO BELIEVE

1116
00:29:32,103 --> 00:29:33,737
THAT SOME SPEAKING AGAINST TRANS

1117
00:29:33,738 --> 00:29:35,239
PARTICIPATION ARE JUST TALKING

1118
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,875
ABOUT WOMEN'S SPORTS-- AND THE

1119
00:29:37,876 --> 00:29:39,176
TRUTH IS, AT THE ELITE LEVELS OF

1120
00:29:39,177 --> 00:29:40,978
COMPETITION, THIS ISN'T A CUT

1121
00:29:40,979 --> 00:29:42,379
AND DRY ISSUE!

1122
00:29:42,380 --> 00:29:45,048
BUT IN MANY OTHER CASES, THE

1123
00:29:45,049 --> 00:29:45,749
OPPOSITION COMES FROM A MUCH

1124
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:48,986
MORE TOXIC PLACE.

1125
00:29:48,987 --> 00:29:50,621
IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT DENYING

1126
00:29:50,622 --> 00:29:51,221
TRANS WOMEN THE RIGHT TO PLAY,

1127
00:29:51,222 --> 00:29:51,789
IT'S ABOUT DENYING THEM THE

1128
00:29:51,790 --> 00:29:54,691
RIGHT TO EXIST.

1129
00:29:54,692 --> 00:29:55,292
MIKE JOHNSON BASICALLY SAID AS

1130
00:29:55,293 --> 00:29:56,493
MUCH AFTER THE HOUSE PASSED ITS

1131
00:29:56,494 --> 00:29:57,327
BAN ON TRANS ATHLETES, WHEN HE

1132
00:29:57,328 --> 00:29:58,996
SAID THIS.

1133
00:29:58,997 --> 00:30:01,165
WE KNOW FROM SCRIPTURE, AND

1134
00:30:01,166 --> 00:30:02,800
FROM NATURE, THAT MEN ARE MEN

1135
00:30:02,801 --> 00:30:05,102
AND WOMEN ARE WOMEN, AND MEN

1136
00:30:05,103 --> 00:30:06,436
CANNOT BECOME WOMEN.

1137
00:30:06,437 --> 00:30:09,373
John: THAT'S RIGHT, MIKE.

1138
00:30:09,374 --> 00:30:10,140
AS SCRIPTURE TELLS US: MEN ARE

1139
00:30:10,141 --> 00:30:11,642
MEN AND WOMEN ARE WOMEN AND GOD

1140
00:30:11,643 --> 00:30:12,476
IS HIS OWN SON AND SOME MOTHERS

1141
00:30:12,477 --> 00:30:14,144
ARE VIRGINS AND SOME MOTHERS IN

1142
00:30:14,145 --> 00:30:15,379
LAW ARE PILLARS OF SALT AND SOME

1143
00:30:15,380 --> 00:30:17,014
DAUGHTERS ARE SEX PARTNERS AND

1144
00:30:17,015 --> 00:30:18,182
COLORFUL COATS ARE DREAM TELLERS

1145
00:30:18,183 --> 00:30:20,017
AND BROTHERS ARE MURDERERS BUT

1146
00:30:20,018 --> 00:30:20,918
ALSO BROTHERS ARE BACKUP

1147
00:30:20,919 --> 00:30:22,486
HUSBANDS FOR WIVES AND BABIES

1148
00:30:22,487 --> 00:30:23,086
CAN BE FOR SPLITTING IN HALF.

1149
00:30:23,087 --> 00:30:24,922
AND WATER IS WINE.

1150
00:30:24,923 --> 00:30:25,923
AND ALSO WITH YOU-- SORRY.

1151
00:30:25,924 --> 00:30:29,293
AND WITH YOUR SPIRIT.

1152
00:30:29,294 --> 00:30:31,061
NOW, THE ANTI-INCLUSION CAMP

1153
00:30:31,062 --> 00:30:32,896
OBJECTS TO BEING CALLED HATEFUL,

1154
00:30:32,897 --> 00:30:34,164
BIGOTED, OR INTOLERANT, USUALLY

1155
00:30:34,165 --> 00:30:35,299
RIGHT BEFORE OR AFTER SAYING

1156
00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:36,700
SOMETHING MOST WOULD CONSIDER

1157
00:30:36,701 --> 00:30:37,668
QUALIFIES.

1158
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:39,002
HERE'S RILEY GAINES DOING JUST

1159
00:30:39,003 --> 00:30:40,571
THAT.

1160
00:30:40,572 --> 00:30:41,538
I DON'T WANT TO BE CONSIDERED

1161
00:30:41,539 --> 00:30:43,073
A BIGOT OR A TRANSPHOBE, OR ALL

1162
00:30:43,074 --> 00:30:45,008
OF THOSE LABELS.

1163
00:30:45,009 --> 00:30:46,343
THERE IS NO HATE IN MY HEART,

1164
00:30:46,344 --> 00:30:48,612
BUT ME, MYSELF, PERSONALLY, I

1165
00:30:48,613 --> 00:30:49,246
DON'T ACTUALLY THINK THIS PERSON

1166
00:30:49,247 --> 00:30:50,747
IS A WOMAN.

1167
00:30:50,748 --> 00:30:52,249
I DON'T ACTUALLY THINK THIS

1168
00:30:52,250 --> 00:30:53,884
PERSON IS A FEMALE.

1169
00:30:53,885 --> 00:30:54,952
THEREFORE, WHEN I SAY "SHE," I

1170
00:30:54,953 --> 00:30:55,552
FEEL LIKE I'M GOING AGAINST MY

1171
00:30:55,553 --> 00:30:57,588
MORAL COMPASS.

1172
00:30:57,589 --> 00:30:58,989
John: YEAH, BUT IT TURNS OUT,

1173
00:30:58,990 --> 00:31:00,257
THERE IS A LOT OF DISTANCE

1174
00:31:00,258 --> 00:31:01,892
BETWEEN "I DON'T WANT TO BE

1175
00:31:01,893 --> 00:31:03,927
CONSIDERED A TRANSPHOBE" AND "I

1176
00:31:03,928 --> 00:31:05,762
DON'T WANT TO BE A TRANSPHOBE."

1177
00:31:05,763 --> 00:31:07,798
EVEN GREATER THAN THE DISTANCE

1178
00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:09,466
BETWEEN YOU AND FIRST PLACE IN

1179
00:31:09,467 --> 00:31:10,267
THAT RACE YOU MAKE SUCH A BIG

1180
00:31:10,268 --> 00:31:15,305
DEAL ABOUT.

1181
00:31:15,306 --> 00:31:15,839
THE THING IS, THIS CURRENT

1182
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:16,907
UPROAR IS ROOTED IN A VERY

1183
00:31:16,908 --> 00:31:18,442
INTENTIONAL POLITICAL STRATEGY

1184
00:31:18,443 --> 00:31:20,277
BY THE RIGHT, TO FIND A NEW

1185
00:31:20,278 --> 00:31:21,378
ISSUE AFTER LOSING THE WAR OVER

1186
00:31:21,379 --> 00:31:22,212
SAME-SEX MARRIAGE.

1187
00:31:22,213 --> 00:31:26,583
CONSERVATIVES' EMBRACE OF THIS

1188
00:31:26,584 --> 00:31:27,217
ISSUE CAME AFTER THE FAILURE OF

1189
00:31:27,218 --> 00:31:27,751
SO CALLED "BATHROOM BILLS"

1190
00:31:27,752 --> 00:31:28,352
AROUND THE COUNTRY, WHICH WERE

1191
00:31:28,353 --> 00:31:29,853
WIDELY CRITICIZED.

1192
00:31:29,854 --> 00:31:31,021
THE PRESIDENT OF THE AMERICAN

1193
00:31:31,022 --> 00:31:32,289
PRINCIPLES PROJECT, A SOCIALLY

1194
00:31:32,290 --> 00:31:33,824
CONSERVATIVE ADVOCACY GROUP, HAS

1195
00:31:33,825 --> 00:31:35,025
OPENLY SAID, "WE PIVOTED TO THE

1196
00:31:35,026 --> 00:31:38,762
"SPORTS ISSUE," AND IT'S BEEN

1197
00:31:38,763 --> 00:31:39,196
"WILDLY SUCCESSFUL."

1198
00:31:39,197 --> 00:31:39,796
HE'S EVEN EXPLAINED THE REASON

1199
00:31:39,797 --> 00:31:41,298
FOR THAT, ARGUING, WHAT IT DID

1200
00:31:41,299 --> 00:31:43,333
WAS, IT GOT OPPONENTS OF THE

1201
00:31:43,334 --> 00:31:44,334
LGBT MOVEMENT COMFORTABLE WITH

1202
00:31:44,335 --> 00:31:44,868
TALKING ABOUT TRANSGENDER

1203
00:31:44,869 --> 00:31:45,602
ISSUES.

1204
00:31:45,603 --> 00:31:48,872
AND HE'S KIND OF RIGHT.

1205
00:31:48,873 --> 00:31:50,407
BECAUSE IT DOES SEEM LIKE RIGHT

1206
00:31:50,408 --> 00:31:51,575
NOW, YOU CAN BASICALLY SAY

1207
00:31:51,576 --> 00:31:53,176
ANYTHING YOU WANT ABOUT TRANS

1208
00:31:53,177 --> 00:31:54,645
PEOPLE, AS LONG AS YOU TAG ON

1209
00:31:54,646 --> 00:31:56,847
"IN SPORTS" AFTER IT.

1210
00:31:56,848 --> 00:31:57,714
"I DON'T THINK TRANS WOMEN

1211
00:31:57,715 --> 00:31:58,382
SHOULD BE ALLOWED...

1212
00:31:58,383 --> 00:31:59,516
IN SPORTS."

1213
00:31:59,517 --> 00:32:00,684
"I DON'T THINK TRANS WOMEN ARE

1214
00:32:00,685 --> 00:32:02,519
WOMEN...

1215
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:03,253
IN SPORTS."

1216
00:32:03,254 --> 00:32:04,354
BUT IT'S NOTICEABLE JUST HOW

1217
00:32:04,355 --> 00:32:05,222
FAST THE "IN SPORTS" PART CAN

1218
00:32:05,223 --> 00:32:05,756
DROP OFF, ONCE PEOPLE FEEL

1219
00:32:05,757 --> 00:32:07,424
PERMISSION HAS BEEN GRANTED, TO

1220
00:32:07,425 --> 00:32:07,991
THE POINT THAT SOME LEADING

1221
00:32:07,992 --> 00:32:10,827
VOICES IN THIS MOVEMENT ARE NOW

1222
00:32:10,828 --> 00:32:14,164
CIRCLING BACK TO BATHROOM BANS

1223
00:32:14,165 --> 00:32:14,932
-- AN ISSUE THAT, A DECADE AGO,

1224
00:32:14,933 --> 00:32:16,500
PEOPLE FELT WAS A BRIDGE TOO

1225
00:32:16,501 --> 00:32:19,603
FAR.

1226
00:32:19,604 --> 00:32:20,570
LAST YEAR, FOR INSTANCE, PAYTON

1227
00:32:20,571 --> 00:32:21,171
MCNABB TWEETED A VIDEO OF HER

1228
00:32:21,172 --> 00:32:23,206
CONFRONTING A TRANS WOMAN, WITH

1229
00:32:23,207 --> 00:32:25,042
THE CAPTION, "A MAN USING THE

1230
00:32:25,043 --> 00:32:26,510
GIRLS BATHROOM AT WESTERN

1231
00:32:26,511 --> 00:32:30,981
CAROLINA UNIVERSITY.

1232
00:32:30,982 --> 00:32:31,481
UNREAL."

1233
00:32:31,482 --> 00:32:32,416
WHICH IS REALLY NASTY.

1234
00:32:32,417 --> 00:32:32,950
FOR THE RECORD, AMBUSHING

1235
00:32:32,951 --> 00:32:33,750
STRANGERS JUST MINDING THEIR OWN

1236
00:32:33,751 --> 00:32:35,152
BUSINESS IS NOT WHAT GIRLS

1237
00:32:35,153 --> 00:32:36,820
BATHROOMS ARE FOR!

1238
00:32:36,821 --> 00:32:38,255
GIRLS BATHROOMS ARE FOR GASSING

1239
00:32:38,256 --> 00:32:39,556
EACH OTHER UP, MAKING BEST

1240
00:32:39,557 --> 00:32:40,958
FRIENDS IN 30 SECONDS,

1241
00:32:40,959 --> 00:32:42,759
COMPLIMENTING TOPS, TUCKING IN

1242
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,328
TAGS, AND ZIPPING UP DRESSES

1243
00:32:44,329 --> 00:32:45,162
WHILE ONE GIRL SAYS "OMG THAT

1244
00:32:45,163 --> 00:32:47,097
LIPSTICK LOOKS SO GOOD ON YOU"

1245
00:32:47,098 --> 00:32:48,532
AND THE OTHER SAYS "30% OFF AT

1246
00:32:48,533 --> 00:32:50,367
SEPHORA RIGHT NOW" AND THE FIRST

1247
00:32:50,368 --> 00:32:52,402
GIRL SAYS "LIKE NOW NOW?"

1248
00:32:52,403 --> 00:32:52,869
AND SHE RESPONDS "YES!

1249
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:53,270
I WENT YESTERDAY!"

1250
00:32:53,271 --> 00:32:55,772
AND SHE SAYS "UGH, YOU'RE MY

1251
00:32:55,773 --> 00:32:56,373
HERO, I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR A

1252
00:32:56,374 --> 00:32:57,240
NUDE THAT GOES WITH MY BLOTCHY

1253
00:32:57,241 --> 00:32:59,776
SKIN TONE" AND THE OTHER SAYS

1254
00:32:59,777 --> 00:33:00,410
"GIRL, STOP IT, I WOULD KILL FOR

1255
00:33:00,411 --> 00:33:00,777
THOSE FRECKLES!

1256
00:33:00,778 --> 00:33:01,411
YOU KNOW PEOPLE ARE BUYING THEM

1257
00:33:01,412 --> 00:33:01,979
NOW!"

1258
00:33:01,980 --> 00:33:02,612
AND THE FIRST ONE'S LIKE "YOU'RE

1259
00:33:02,613 --> 00:33:03,113
RIGHT.

1260
00:33:03,114 --> 00:33:04,414
WE GOTTA BE LOVING OURSELVES"

1261
00:33:04,415 --> 00:33:06,216
AND THE OTHER ONE IS LIKE "WE

1262
00:33:06,217 --> 00:33:07,517
ABSOLUTELY DO!"

1263
00:33:07,518 --> 00:33:09,453
THAT'S WHAT GIRLS BATHROOMS ARE

1264
00:33:09,454 --> 00:33:12,622
FOR, I'M TOLD.

1265
00:33:12,623 --> 00:33:14,291
I HAVE NO IDEA.

1266
00:33:14,292 --> 00:33:15,659
PUT YOUR FUCKING PHONE AWAY AND

1267
00:33:15,660 --> 00:33:18,595
BUILD SOME COMMUNITY, PAYTON.

1268
00:33:18,596 --> 00:33:19,796
AND THE REASON THIS HAS BEEN AN

1269
00:33:19,797 --> 00:33:21,865
EASIER SELL FOR THE RIGHT IS

1270
00:33:21,866 --> 00:33:23,667
THAT IT'S POSSIBLE TO FRAME ALL

1271
00:33:23,668 --> 00:33:24,868
THIS AS BEING ABOUT "PROTECTING

1272
00:33:24,869 --> 00:33:25,268
WOMEN AND GIRLS."

1273
00:33:25,269 --> 00:33:27,337
ALTHOUGH IF THAT'S TRULY THE

1274
00:33:27,338 --> 00:33:28,872
AIM, THERE'S REASON FOR THEM TO

1275
00:33:28,873 --> 00:33:30,307
FEEL A LOT LESS SAFE THANKS TO

1276
00:33:30,308 --> 00:33:32,009
THESE BILLS, AS IN PRACTICE,

1277
00:33:32,010 --> 00:33:33,310
THEY CAN ENCOURAGE ADULTS TO

1278
00:33:33,311 --> 00:33:34,644
POLICE THE BODIES OF LITERAL

1279
00:33:34,645 --> 00:33:35,045
CHILDREN.

1280
00:33:35,046 --> 00:33:36,446
THAT'S HAPPENED.

1281
00:33:36,447 --> 00:33:37,614
IN FLORIDA, A TRANS KID WAS

1282
00:33:37,615 --> 00:33:39,016
KICKED OFF A TEAM AFTER AN

1283
00:33:39,017 --> 00:33:40,517
INVESTIGATION WHICH RESULTED IN

1284
00:33:40,518 --> 00:33:42,085
A REPORT ABOUT HER THAT WAS MORE

1285
00:33:42,086 --> 00:33:43,820
THAN 500 PAGES LONG, AND

1286
00:33:43,821 --> 00:33:45,655
INCLUDED INVESTIGATORS ASKING

1287
00:33:45,656 --> 00:33:46,923
THREE GIRLS ON HER VOLLEYBALL

1288
00:33:46,924 --> 00:33:48,191
TEAM IF THEY'D EVER SEEN HER

1289
00:33:48,192 --> 00:33:50,527
UNDRESSED.

1290
00:33:50,528 --> 00:33:51,928
AND IN UTAH, THE PARENTS OF A

1291
00:33:51,929 --> 00:33:53,430
GIRL WHO WAS NOT TRANS WERE

1292
00:33:53,431 --> 00:33:56,666
HORRIFIED WHEN A LOCAL MEMBER OF

1293
00:33:56,667 --> 00:33:57,768
THE STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION

1294
00:33:57,769 --> 00:34:04,842
FELT EMPOWERED TO DO THIS.

1295
00:34:08,279 --> 00:34:10,447
THE COUPLE DESCRIBES THEIR

1296
00:34:10,448 --> 00:34:11,014
DAUGHTER, WHOSE IMAGE KSL IS

1297
00:34:11,015 --> 00:34:11,481
BLURRING, AS A TOMBOY.

1298
00:34:11,482 --> 00:34:12,015
SHE CUT HER HAIR SHORT

1299
00:34:12,016 --> 00:34:12,582
BECAUSE THAT'S HOW SHE FEELS

1300
00:34:12,583 --> 00:34:12,883
COMFORTABLE.

1301
00:34:12,884 --> 00:34:13,450
SHE WEARS CLOTHES THAT ARE A

1302
00:34:13,451 --> 00:34:14,284
LITTLE BAGGY.

1303
00:34:14,285 --> 00:34:15,185
SHE GOES TO THE GYM ALL THE

1304
00:34:15,186 --> 00:34:18,288
TIME, SO SHE'S GOT MUSCLES.

1305
00:34:18,289 --> 00:34:18,955
THEY SAID THE FAMILY IS

1306
00:34:18,956 --> 00:34:20,924
RALLYING AROUND THEIR DAUGHTER.

1307
00:34:20,925 --> 00:34:21,491
AND HAVE A MESSAGE TO OTHER

1308
00:34:21,492 --> 00:34:22,125
FAMILIES EXPERIENCING BULLYING.

1309
00:34:22,126 --> 00:34:23,393
I WANT ALL THE KIDS TO KNOW

1310
00:34:23,394 --> 00:34:24,494
THAT IT'S OKAY TO JUST BE WHO

1311
00:34:24,495 --> 00:34:25,996
THEY ARE.

1312
00:34:25,997 --> 00:34:27,297
John: THAT'S AWFUL.

1313
00:34:27,298 --> 00:34:29,099
AND I HOPE IT GOES WITHOUT

1314
00:34:29,100 --> 00:34:31,701
SAYING, BUT RANDOM ADULTS SHOULD

1315
00:34:31,702 --> 00:34:32,302
NOT BE PUBLICLY INTERROGATING

1316
00:34:32,303 --> 00:34:32,836
THE GENDER OF CHILDREN ON

1317
00:34:32,837 --> 00:34:34,871
FACEBOOK.

1318
00:34:34,872 --> 00:34:36,206
PEOPLE REALLY SHOULDN'T BE ON

1319
00:34:36,207 --> 00:34:37,841
FACEBOOK AT ALL UNLESS THEY'RE

1320
00:34:37,842 --> 00:34:40,010
A, LOCKED IN A BIDDING WAR FOR A

1321
00:34:40,011 --> 00:34:41,144
BARELY USED SET OF END TABLES OR

1322
00:34:41,145 --> 00:34:42,813
B, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF A

1323
00:34:42,814 --> 00:34:44,047
FAMILY FRIEND DIED OR IF THEY'RE

1324
00:34:44,048 --> 00:34:45,782
JUST INTERMITTENTLY POSTING

1325
00:34:45,783 --> 00:34:46,683
ABOUT PRAYING.

1326
00:34:46,684 --> 00:34:51,588
THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO

1327
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:52,422
ACCEPTABLE USES OF FACEBOOK

1328
00:34:52,423 --> 00:34:52,622
LEFT.

1329
00:34:52,623 --> 00:34:53,223
BUT OBVIOUSLY, THE BULK OF THE

1330
00:34:53,224 --> 00:34:53,790
DAMAGE HERE IS BEING DONE TO

1331
00:34:53,791 --> 00:34:54,724
TRANS KIDS.

1332
00:34:54,725 --> 00:34:56,059
BECAUSE ONE THING WE KNOW FOR

1333
00:34:56,060 --> 00:35:01,531
SURE IS THAT, FOR ALL KIDS THE

1334
00:35:01,532 --> 00:35:04,568
BENEFITS-- PHYSIOLOGICAL,

1335
00:35:04,569 --> 00:35:05,135
SOCIAL, AND EMOTIONAL-- OF

1336
00:35:05,136 --> 00:35:05,735
PARTICIPATING IN SCHOOL SPORTS

1337
00:35:05,736 --> 00:35:06,236
TEAMS AND ATHLETICS ARE

1338
00:35:06,237 --> 00:35:06,570
WIDE-RANGING.

1339
00:35:06,571 --> 00:35:07,037
AND TO HEAR TRANS KIDS

1340
00:35:07,038 --> 00:35:07,471
THEMSELVES TELL IT,

1341
00:35:07,472 --> 00:35:09,239
PARTICIPATION CAN BE ESPECIALLY

1342
00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:10,440
IMPORTANT TO THEIR FEELING OF

1343
00:35:10,441 --> 00:35:12,375
COMMUNITY AND SENSE OF SELF.

1344
00:35:12,376 --> 00:35:14,144
I LOVE TRACK BECAUSE I FEEL

1345
00:35:14,145 --> 00:35:15,645
LIKE I'M A PART OF A SECOND

1346
00:35:15,646 --> 00:35:16,513
FAMILY.

1347
00:35:16,514 --> 00:35:18,048
IT'S LIKE ANOTHER BOND THAT YOU

1348
00:35:18,049 --> 00:35:19,182
EXPERIENCE.

1349
00:35:19,183 --> 00:35:20,584
THIS HAS HELPED ME SO MUCH

1350
00:35:20,585 --> 00:35:22,018
BEING ABLE TO BE PART OF A SPORT

1351
00:35:22,019 --> 00:35:24,688
AND PART OF A TEAM IS SUCH AN

1352
00:35:24,689 --> 00:35:27,023
INCREDIBLE, AMAZING EXPERIENCE

1353
00:35:27,024 --> 00:35:27,824
FOR ME.

1354
00:35:27,825 --> 00:35:32,229
WITHOUT FOOTBALL, I DON'T

1355
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:34,531
QUITE KNOW IF I WOULD STILL BE

1356
00:35:34,532 --> 00:35:37,400
HERE, BECAUSE IT-- IT'S GIVEN

1357
00:35:37,401 --> 00:35:42,205
ME A SENSE OF BELONGING.

1358
00:35:42,206 --> 00:35:44,541
IT'S TAKEN-- IT'S AWAY THE

1359
00:35:44,542 --> 00:35:45,976
SPOTLIGHT ON THE FACT THAT I AM

1360
00:35:45,977 --> 00:35:47,677
TRANSGENDER AND IT'S JUST

1361
00:35:47,678 --> 00:35:50,247
ALLOWED ME TO BE A BOY, AND IT'S

1362
00:35:50,248 --> 00:35:55,152
ALLOWED ME TO BE A KID.

1363
00:35:55,153 --> 00:35:55,886
John: THAT'S A REALLY MOVING

1364
00:35:55,887 --> 00:35:56,620
THING TO HEAR.

1365
00:35:56,621 --> 00:35:57,354
AND IF YOU'RE EXPERIENCING A

1366
00:35:57,355 --> 00:35:57,988
WEIRD SENSATION AFTER THAT CLIP

1367
00:35:57,989 --> 00:35:59,656
YOU CAN'T QUITE PLACE, IT'S

1368
00:35:59,657 --> 00:36:01,124
BECAUSE IT WAS NICE.

1369
00:36:01,125 --> 00:36:02,692
IT WAS HAPPY KIDS TALKING ABOUT

1370
00:36:02,693 --> 00:36:04,427
HOW THEY'RE ABLE TO BE

1371
00:36:04,428 --> 00:36:08,465
THEMSELVES, AND YOU DON'T

1372
00:36:08,466 --> 00:36:09,099
USUALLY GET NICE THINGS ON THIS

1373
00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:10,233
SHOW, WHICH IS HONESTLY MAINLY

1374
00:36:10,234 --> 00:36:12,502
"DENSE STATISTICS, SAD FACTS,

1375
00:36:12,503 --> 00:36:15,839
AND OCCASIONAL PIKACHU PORN."

1376
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,340
BEING TRANS CAN MEAN SEEING YOUR

1377
00:36:17,341 --> 00:36:18,708
BODY AS A BARRIER TO LIVING LIFE

1378
00:36:18,709 --> 00:36:20,243
AS YOUR AUTHENTIC SELF--

1379
00:36:20,244 --> 00:36:21,645
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE YOUNG,

1380
00:36:21,646 --> 00:36:22,846
AND ESPECIALLY IN SOCIAL

1381
00:36:22,847 --> 00:36:24,147
SITUATIONS.

1382
00:36:24,148 --> 00:36:25,615
AND IT'S NOT EVEN NECESSARILY

1383
00:36:25,616 --> 00:36:27,384
ABOUT BEING GOOD AT SPORTS.

1384
00:36:27,385 --> 00:36:28,952
BECAUSE FOR ALL THE FOCUS ON A

1385
00:36:28,953 --> 00:36:30,353
HANDFUL OF HIGH-PERFORMING

1386
00:36:30,354 --> 00:36:31,988
ATHLETES, IT'S HELPFUL TO

1387
00:36:31,989 --> 00:36:33,623
REMEMBER: LOTS OF TRANS KIDS,

1388
00:36:33,624 --> 00:36:34,925
LIKE ANY KIDS, ARE FUCKING

1389
00:36:34,926 --> 00:36:37,394
TERRIBLE AT SPORTS.

1390
00:36:37,395 --> 00:36:38,695
THAT TEENAGER YOU JUST SAW,

1391
00:36:38,696 --> 00:36:40,197
EMBER, WAS A BACKUP CATCHER,

1392
00:36:40,198 --> 00:36:40,764
WHO'S SAID, "I'M MEDIOCRE AT

1393
00:36:40,765 --> 00:36:43,800
BEST."

1394
00:36:43,801 --> 00:36:45,702
AND HER MOM GOES EVEN FURTHER.

1395
00:36:45,703 --> 00:36:47,504
HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE

1396
00:36:47,505 --> 00:36:53,643
EMBER'S ATHLETIC PROWESS?

1397
00:36:53,644 --> 00:36:55,912
THERE REALLY ISN'T MUCH.

1398
00:36:55,913 --> 00:36:58,949
HOW ABOUT ANY HOME RUNS?

1399
00:36:58,950 --> 00:37:00,283
NO, SHE'S NEVER HAD A HOME

1400
00:37:00,284 --> 00:37:01,718
RUN IN HER LIFE.

1401
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,887
John: WOW.

1402
00:37:03,888 --> 00:37:05,288
THAT'S A SUPPORTIVE MOM MAKING

1403
00:37:05,289 --> 00:37:06,323
IT VERY CLEAR THAT SHE WILL

1404
00:37:06,324 --> 00:37:08,158
"PROTECT TRANS KIDS," BUT ONLY

1405
00:37:08,159 --> 00:37:10,860
TO A POINT.

1406
00:37:10,861 --> 00:37:12,229
AND I LOVE THE HONESTY THERE.

1407
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:13,296
ATHLETIC PROWESS?

1408
00:37:13,297 --> 00:37:14,831
THAT WOULD BE A NEGATIVE.

1409
00:37:14,832 --> 00:37:15,532
HOME RUNS?

1410
00:37:15,533 --> 00:37:16,733
HARD NO.

1411
00:37:16,734 --> 00:37:18,802
"I'M GOING TO ANSWER YOUR

1412
00:37:18,803 --> 00:37:19,436
QUESTION WITH A DIRECT, ACCURATE

1413
00:37:19,437 --> 00:37:21,504
HIT, SOMETHING MY DAUGHTER COULD

1414
00:37:21,505 --> 00:37:24,474
FRANKLY ONLY DREAM OF."

1415
00:37:24,475 --> 00:37:25,408
SO, YEAH-- EMBER'S NOT GREAT AT

1416
00:37:25,409 --> 00:37:27,344
SOFTBALL.

1417
00:37:27,345 --> 00:37:29,646
BUT SHE WANTED TO PLAY ANYWAY--

1418
00:37:29,647 --> 00:37:32,215
AND MET ALL OF HER STATE'S

1419
00:37:32,216 --> 00:37:33,049
REQUIREMENTS TO DO SO, INCLUDING

1420
00:37:33,050 --> 00:37:33,817
UNDERGOING AT LEAST A YEAR OF

1421
00:37:33,818 --> 00:37:36,453
HORMONE THERAPY.

1422
00:37:36,454 --> 00:37:37,887
BUT AS SOON AS SHE WAS APPROVED,

1423
00:37:37,888 --> 00:37:38,955
THE STATE STARTED MOVING TO

1424
00:37:38,956 --> 00:37:40,223
IMPLEMENT A BAN-- AND WHEN SHE

1425
00:37:40,224 --> 00:37:41,524
TESTIFIED AGAINST IT, SHE

1426
00:37:41,525 --> 00:37:42,259
DROPPED IN A LITTLE EXTRA PIECE

1427
00:37:42,260 --> 00:37:44,594
OF INFO.

1428
00:37:44,595 --> 00:37:45,328
OTHERS HAVE SAID THAT I

1429
00:37:45,329 --> 00:37:45,929
SHOULD JUST PLAY BASEBALL WITH

1430
00:37:45,930 --> 00:37:47,264
THE BOYS.

1431
00:37:47,265 --> 00:37:48,465
IN MANY WAYS, THIS WOULD BE

1432
00:37:48,466 --> 00:37:49,699
EASIER.

1433
00:37:49,700 --> 00:37:50,734
I WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH

1434
00:37:50,735 --> 00:37:52,302
THE TIME-CONSUMING AND

1435
00:37:52,303 --> 00:37:55,639
EMBARRASSING PROCESS OF

1436
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,040
SUBMITTING INTIMATE MEDICAL

1437
00:37:57,041 --> 00:37:58,975
DETAILS TO THE STATE.

1438
00:37:58,976 --> 00:38:00,577
ALSO, THE BOYS AT MY SCHOOL HAVE

1439
00:38:00,578 --> 00:38:04,047
TWO BEAUTIFUL FIELDS TO PLAY ON.

1440
00:38:04,048 --> 00:38:05,148
MOST YEARS, OUR SOFTBALL TEAM

1441
00:38:05,149 --> 00:38:06,516
HAS TO CANCEL HALF OF OUR GAMES

1442
00:38:06,517 --> 00:38:07,651
BECAUSE OUR OLD FIELD HAS NO

1443
00:38:07,652 --> 00:38:09,419
DRAINAGE.

1444
00:38:09,420 --> 00:38:12,455
BUT THE FACT IS THAT FOR ME,

1445
00:38:12,456 --> 00:38:13,089
PLAYING ON A BOYS' TEAM WOULD BE

1446
00:38:13,090 --> 00:38:14,090
A LIE.

1447
00:38:14,091 --> 00:38:16,860
John: YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE.

1448
00:38:16,861 --> 00:38:17,494
AND IT SAYS SOMETHING THAT

1449
00:38:17,495 --> 00:38:18,895
PEOPLE SEEM MORE CONCERNED ABOUT

1450
00:38:18,896 --> 00:38:20,497
A TRANS GIRL ON THE FIELD THAN

1451
00:38:20,498 --> 00:38:22,098
THEY DO ABOUT THE FIELD ITSELF

1452
00:38:22,099 --> 00:38:22,666
TURNING INTO A SWIMMING POOL

1453
00:38:22,667 --> 00:38:23,933
HALF THE TIME.

1454
00:38:23,934 --> 00:38:26,169
AND I REALIZE I'M TAKING A RISK

1455
00:38:26,170 --> 00:38:27,170
BY SAYING THE WORDS "SWIMMING

1456
00:38:27,171 --> 00:38:28,405
POOL" OUT LOUD, BECAUSE IF YOU

1457
00:38:28,406 --> 00:38:29,572
SAY THAT PHRASE THREE TIMES,

1458
00:38:29,573 --> 00:38:31,641
RILEY GAINES SHOWS UP, TIES FOR

1459
00:38:31,642 --> 00:38:32,309
FIFTH, AND THEN DEADNAMES

1460
00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:38,581
EVERYONE IN A 50 MILE RADIUS.

1461
00:38:38,582 --> 00:38:39,115
UNFORTUNATELY THOUGH, OHIO

1462
00:38:39,116 --> 00:38:39,716
BANNED TRANS ATHLETES ANYWAY.

1463
00:38:39,717 --> 00:38:41,618
AND THAT INSISTENCE ON

1464
00:38:41,619 --> 00:38:43,019
AGGRESSIVELY LEGISLATING AROUND

1465
00:38:43,020 --> 00:38:44,788
A HANDFUL OF TRANS KIDS, WHILE

1466
00:38:44,789 --> 00:38:45,989
NEGLECTING MUCH BIGGER, SYSTEMIC

1467
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:47,123
ISSUES AROUND YOUTH SPORTS,

1468
00:38:47,124 --> 00:38:48,658
ISN'T A ONE-OFF.

1469
00:38:48,659 --> 00:38:50,360
TAKE KENTUCKY.

1470
00:38:50,361 --> 00:38:51,828
THREE YEARS AGO, THEY PASSED ONE

1471
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:53,263
OF THESE BANS, EVEN THOUGH AT

1472
00:38:53,264 --> 00:39:00,338
THE TIME, THERE WAS THE

1473
00:39:03,007 --> 00:39:04,274
ONE TRANS ATHLETE.

1474
00:39:04,275 --> 00:39:04,841
THE GOVERNOR, TO HIS CREDIT,

1475
00:39:04,842 --> 00:39:05,108
VETOED IT.

1476
00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:05,742
BUT THE LEGISLATORS WOULDN'T LET

1477
00:39:05,743 --> 00:39:06,242
IT REST, BECAUSE ON THE

1478
00:39:06,243 --> 00:39:06,776
SECOND-TO-LAST DAY OF THE

1479
00:39:06,777 --> 00:39:07,410
SESSION, THEY VOTED TO OVERRIDE

1480
00:39:07,411 --> 00:39:08,044
HIS VETO, WITH ONE MEMBER DOING

1481
00:39:08,045 --> 00:39:08,645
SO WITH REAL REGIONAL-THEATER

1482
00:39:08,646 --> 00:39:11,748
ENERGY.

1483
00:39:11,749 --> 00:39:14,050
VETO TO SENATE BILL 83.

1484
00:39:14,051 --> 00:39:14,784
THE GENTLEMAN FROM McCRACKEN?

1485
00:39:14,785 --> 00:39:17,320
MR. SPEAKER, I MOVE FOR FINAL

1486
00:39:17,321 --> 00:39:20,323
PASSAGE OF SENATE BILL 83, THE

1487
00:39:20,324 --> 00:39:21,024
VETO OF THE GOVERNOR

1488
00:39:21,025 --> 00:39:22,959
NOTWITHSTANDING.

1489
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:23,927
John: YEAH, THEY FELT SO

1490
00:39:23,928 --> 00:39:26,029
STRONGLY ABOUT "PROTECTING YOUNG

1491
00:39:26,030 --> 00:39:27,997
FEMALE ATHLETES,"

1492
00:39:27,998 --> 00:39:30,633
DARKEST-TIMELINE DREW CAREY HERE

1493
00:39:30,634 --> 00:39:32,535
WAS WILLING TO STEP IN.

1494
00:39:32,536 --> 00:39:34,137
BUT THE URGENCY ON DISPLAY THERE

1495
00:39:34,138 --> 00:39:34,771
NOTABLY DIDN'T SEEM TO APPLY TO

1496
00:39:34,772 --> 00:39:36,039
OTHER ISSUES CONCERNING YOUTH

1497
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,642
ATHLETE SAFETY.

1498
00:39:39,643 --> 00:39:40,110
BECAUSE LAST YEAR, AN

1499
00:39:40,111 --> 00:39:41,277
INVESTIGATION REVEALED A

1500
00:39:41,278 --> 00:39:42,178
LONGSTANDING PATTERN OF SEXUAL

1501
00:39:42,179 --> 00:39:44,948
ABUSE IN YOUTH SPORTS IN

1502
00:39:44,949 --> 00:39:45,382
KENTUCKY.

1503
00:39:45,383 --> 00:39:45,915
IT POINTED OUT A BILL THAT

1504
00:39:45,916 --> 00:39:46,549
MIGHT'VE HELPED PREVENT THAT WAS

1505
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:47,851
THIS ONE, WHICH WOULD'VE MADE IT

1506
00:39:47,852 --> 00:39:52,822
HARDER FOR SCHOOL PERSONNEL--

1507
00:39:52,823 --> 00:39:53,456
INCLUDING COACHES-- WHO'D BEEN

1508
00:39:53,457 --> 00:39:54,491
ACCUSED OF MISCONDUCT TO MOVE

1509
00:39:54,492 --> 00:39:56,626
FROM DISTRICT TO DISTRICT.

1510
00:39:56,627 --> 00:39:57,160
IT'S BEEN CALLED "THE MOST

1511
00:39:57,161 --> 00:39:58,027
COMPREHENSIVE BILL" TO ADDRESS

1512
00:39:58,028 --> 00:39:59,496
THE ISSUE.

1513
00:39:59,497 --> 00:40:00,130
UNFORTUNATELY, IT STALLED OUT IN

1514
00:40:00,131 --> 00:40:01,331
THE LEGISLATURE, FOR AN

1515
00:40:01,332 --> 00:40:04,401
INFURIATING REASON.

1516
00:40:04,402 --> 00:40:05,034
BECAUSE IT MADE IT THROUGH BOTH

1517
00:40:05,035 --> 00:40:06,069
CHAMBERS, AND ONLY NEEDED A

1518
00:40:06,070 --> 00:40:07,437
PROCEDURAL VOTE TO BE SENT TO

1519
00:40:07,438 --> 00:40:12,342
THE GOVERNOR TO SIGN.

1520
00:40:12,343 --> 00:40:12,909
BUT IT JUST SAT THERE.

1521
00:40:12,910 --> 00:40:13,576
AND ON THE LAST DAY OF THE

1522
00:40:13,577 --> 00:40:16,045
SESSION, IT STILL HADN'T PASSED,

1523
00:40:16,046 --> 00:40:16,746
AND THEN, THIS HAPPENED.

1524
00:40:16,747 --> 00:40:20,650
THE MEMBERS ARE HUNGRY, AND

1525
00:40:20,651 --> 00:40:21,284
WE QUITE POSSIBLY HAVE

1526
00:40:21,285 --> 00:40:22,552
CONSIDERED THE LAST BILL OF THE

1527
00:40:22,553 --> 00:40:25,555
SESSION.

1528
00:40:25,556 --> 00:40:28,124
HOWEVER, I AM NOT A 100% THAT

1529
00:40:28,125 --> 00:40:32,195
THAT IS THE CASE.

1530
00:40:32,196 --> 00:40:32,996
SO OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF

1531
00:40:32,997 --> 00:40:34,764
CAUTION, WE'RE GOING TO RECESS

1532
00:40:34,765 --> 00:40:36,366
UNTIL THE CALL OF THE CHAIR.

1533
00:40:36,367 --> 00:40:37,700
John: YEP!

1534
00:40:37,701 --> 00:40:38,301
THEY FUCKED OFF TO DINNER, AND

1535
00:40:38,302 --> 00:40:39,002
GUESS WHAT?

1536
00:40:39,003 --> 00:40:41,571
THEY NEVER CAME BACK TO VOTE.

1537
00:40:41,572 --> 00:40:43,706
SO IT SEEMS THIS IS HOW THE

1538
00:40:43,707 --> 00:40:44,441
KENTUCKY STATE HOUSE WORKS: WHEN

1539
00:40:44,442 --> 00:40:46,109
THERE'S ONE KID WHO WANTS TO

1540
00:40:46,110 --> 00:40:46,709
PLAY FIELD HOCKEY, IT'S PEARL

1541
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:47,544
HARBOR.

1542
00:40:47,545 --> 00:40:49,179
BUT WHEN THERE'S A LONGSTANDING

1543
00:40:49,180 --> 00:40:50,180
PATTERN OF SEXUAL ABUSE, IT'S

1544
00:40:50,181 --> 00:40:51,014
"SORRY, WE'VE GOT A 6:00PM

1545
00:40:51,015 --> 00:40:52,916
RESERVATION AT CHEESECAKE

1546
00:40:52,917 --> 00:40:56,753
FACTORY."

1547
00:40:56,754 --> 00:40:57,420
AND FOR THOSE WHO'VE PLAYED

1548
00:40:57,421 --> 00:40:58,488
GIRLS' SPORTS, THIS SUDDEN

1549
00:40:58,489 --> 00:40:59,055
INTEREST FROM LAWMAKERS IS A

1550
00:40:59,056 --> 00:41:02,959
LITTLE HARD TO TAKE, GIVEN, FOR

1551
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:03,560
SO LONG, IT'S MEANT HAVING TO

1552
00:41:03,561 --> 00:41:04,594
PUT UP WITH CONSTANT SLIGHTS AND

1553
00:41:04,595 --> 00:41:05,995
INDIGNITIES-- FROM WORSE

1554
00:41:05,996 --> 00:41:07,096
PLAYING FIELDS, TO SMALLER

1555
00:41:07,097 --> 00:41:11,968
LOCKER ROOMS, TO CREEPY COACHES

1556
00:41:11,969 --> 00:41:12,569
NO ONE WILL DO ANYTHING ABOUT,

1557
00:41:12,570 --> 00:41:13,169
TO ALWAYS HAVING TO PLAY YOUR

1558
00:41:13,170 --> 00:41:13,770
GAMES EARLY WHILE THE 8PM BOYS

1559
00:41:13,771 --> 00:41:14,404
GAME GETS TREATED LIKE THE MAIN

1560
00:41:14,405 --> 00:41:14,604
EVENT.

1561
00:41:14,605 --> 00:41:15,138
I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW MANY

1562
00:41:15,139 --> 00:41:15,705
TIMES, MULTIPLE WRITERS WHO

1563
00:41:15,706 --> 00:41:21,644
WORKED ON THIS STORY, AND WHO

1564
00:41:21,645 --> 00:41:22,245
PLAYED WOMEN'S SPORTS, BROUGHT

1565
00:41:22,246 --> 00:41:22,812
THAT LAST POINT UP.

1566
00:41:22,813 --> 00:41:24,747
AND NOW WE SEEM HELL-BENT ON

1567
00:41:24,748 --> 00:41:25,748
ADDING TO ALL THAT THE FEAR THAT

1568
00:41:25,749 --> 00:41:27,617
IF GIRLS GET TOO SHORT A

1569
00:41:27,618 --> 00:41:29,652
HAIRCUT, OR GO TO THE GYM TOO

1570
00:41:29,653 --> 00:41:31,588
MUCH, A STRANGER ON FACEBOOK'S

1571
00:41:31,589 --> 00:41:32,155
GOING TO START "JUST ASKING

1572
00:41:32,156 --> 00:41:34,657
QUESTIONS."

1573
00:41:34,658 --> 00:41:36,059
AND LOOK, THIS IS THE PART OF

1574
00:41:36,060 --> 00:41:37,126
THE SHOW WHERE I USUALLY TALK

1575
00:41:37,127 --> 00:41:37,727
ABOUT WHAT TO DO, BUT A LOT OF

1576
00:41:37,728 --> 00:41:38,628
THIS IS CURRENTLY OUT OF OUR

1577
00:41:38,629 --> 00:41:39,662
HANDS.

1578
00:41:39,663 --> 00:41:40,597
WHEN IT COMES TO STATE LEVEL

1579
00:41:40,598 --> 00:41:42,365
BANS, THANKFULLY, COURT ORDERS

1580
00:41:42,366 --> 00:41:43,933
ARE BLOCKING ENFORCEMENT OF THEM

1581
00:41:43,934 --> 00:41:45,535
IN ALL THESE STATES.

1582
00:41:45,536 --> 00:41:47,170
AND COURTS ARE ALSO GOING TO

1583
00:41:47,171 --> 00:41:48,238
HAVE TO WEIGH IN ON TRUMP'S

1584
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:49,772
EXECUTIVE ORDER, WHICH SOME

1585
00:41:49,773 --> 00:41:50,807
STATES HAVE ADMIRABLY RESISTED

1586
00:41:50,808 --> 00:41:53,343
-- NONE MORE MEMORABLY THAN

1587
00:41:53,344 --> 00:41:54,344
MAINE, WHOSE GOVERNOR HAD THIS

1588
00:41:54,345 --> 00:41:56,513
STANDOFF WITH TRUMP.

1589
00:41:56,514 --> 00:41:58,214
I UNDERSTAND MAINE...

1590
00:41:58,215 --> 00:41:58,681
IS MAINE HERE?

1591
00:41:58,682 --> 00:42:00,717
THE GOVERNOR OF MAINE?

1592
00:42:00,718 --> 00:42:02,285
YEAH, I'M HERE.

1593
00:42:02,286 --> 00:42:02,886
ARE YOU NOT GOING TO COMPLY

1594
00:42:02,887 --> 00:42:03,753
WITH IT?

1595
00:42:03,754 --> 00:42:04,754
I'M COMPLYING WITH STATE AND

1596
00:42:04,755 --> 00:42:09,959
FEDERAL LAWS.

1597
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:10,527
WELL, I AM-- WE ARE THE

1598
00:42:10,528 --> 00:42:10,827
FEDERAL LAW.

1599
00:42:10,828 --> 00:42:11,661
WELL, YOU BETTER DO IT.

1600
00:42:11,662 --> 00:42:12,295
YOU BETTER DO IT, BECAUSE YOU'RE

1601
00:42:12,296 --> 00:42:12,862
NOT GOING TO GET ANY FEDERAL

1602
00:42:12,863 --> 00:42:13,897
FUNDING AT ALL IF YOU DON'T.

1603
00:42:13,898 --> 00:42:14,597
YOU BETTER COMPLY BECAUSE

1604
00:42:14,598 --> 00:42:16,866
OTHERWISE, YOU'RE NOT GETTING

1605
00:42:16,867 --> 00:42:17,600
ANY FEDERAL FUNDING.

1606
00:42:17,601 --> 00:42:20,169
SEE YOU IN COURT.

1607
00:42:20,170 --> 00:42:20,737
John: YEAH, YOU GET HIM,

1608
00:42:20,738 --> 00:42:22,705
MAINE!

1609
00:42:22,706 --> 00:42:26,009
[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

1610
00:42:26,010 --> 00:42:26,509
YOU GET HIM!

1611
00:42:26,510 --> 00:42:27,343
AND YOU KNOW WHAT?

1612
00:42:27,344 --> 00:42:29,012
I TAKE BACK EVERYTHING MEAN I

1613
00:42:29,013 --> 00:42:32,949
EVER SAID ABOUT YOU, LIKE THAT

1614
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:33,416
YOU'RE LOBSTER-STUFFED

1615
00:42:33,417 --> 00:42:34,250
LIGHTHOUSE PERVERTS THAT THE

1616
00:42:34,251 --> 00:42:35,251
REST OF THE NORTHEAST LOVES TO

1617
00:42:35,252 --> 00:42:36,019
FORGET.

1618
00:42:36,020 --> 00:42:38,021
I STILL BROADLY THINK THAT'S

1619
00:42:38,022 --> 00:42:40,323
TRUE, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO SAY

1620
00:42:40,324 --> 00:42:41,157
IT OUT LOUD ANYMORE, BECAUSE

1621
00:42:41,158 --> 00:42:42,759
THAT IS HONESTLY, HEARTENING.

1622
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:43,693
AS IS THE FACT THAT, WHEN

1623
00:42:43,694 --> 00:42:44,794
REPUBLICANS TRIED TO PASS A

1624
00:42:44,795 --> 00:42:46,195
NATIONWIDE BAN ON TRANS

1625
00:42:46,196 --> 00:42:47,897
PARTICIPATION IN SPORTS, IT

1626
00:42:47,898 --> 00:42:49,632
FAILED IN THE SENATE, AFTER

1627
00:42:49,633 --> 00:42:50,567
EVERY SINGLE DEMOCRAT VOTED

1628
00:42:50,568 --> 00:42:51,901
AGAINST IT.

1629
00:42:51,902 --> 00:42:53,403
AND IT'S BEEN INSPIRING TO SEE

1630
00:42:53,404 --> 00:42:55,805
SOME OF THESE TRANS KIDS'

1631
00:42:55,806 --> 00:42:56,873
TEAMMATES COMING OUT HARD

1632
00:42:56,874 --> 00:42:58,074
AGAINST THE WAY THEIR FRIENDS

1633
00:42:58,075 --> 00:42:58,841
ARE BEING TREATED.

1634
00:42:58,842 --> 00:43:00,977
FOR INSTANCE, IN FLORIDA, WHERE

1635
00:43:00,978 --> 00:43:02,178
THAT TRANS GIRL WAS KICKED OFF

1636
00:43:02,179 --> 00:43:02,946
HER TEAM THANKS TO, AGAIN, AN

1637
00:43:02,947 --> 00:43:05,515
INVESTIGATION THAT WAS MORE THAN

1638
00:43:05,516 --> 00:43:07,417
500 PAGES LONG, KIDS IN HER

1639
00:43:07,418 --> 00:43:08,818
SCHOOL STAGED A WALKOUT IN

1640
00:43:08,819 --> 00:43:10,753
PROTEST-- AND ONE OF HER

1641
00:43:10,754 --> 00:43:11,487
TEAMMATES WENT ON THE LOCAL NEWS

1642
00:43:11,488 --> 00:43:13,890
AND DIDN'T HOLD BACK.

1643
00:43:13,891 --> 00:43:14,824
THEIR MAIN ARGUMENT IS ABOUT

1644
00:43:14,825 --> 00:43:16,526
FAIRNESS AND, LIKE, SPORTS AND

1645
00:43:16,527 --> 00:43:18,061
HOW SHE PROBABLY COULD HAVE,

1646
00:43:18,062 --> 00:43:20,496
LIKE, HELPED US WIN IN WAYS THAT

1647
00:43:20,497 --> 00:43:21,197
ARE, LIKE, ABOUT FAIRNESS AND

1648
00:43:21,198 --> 00:43:22,832
EQUALNESS IN SPORTS-- BUT LIKE,

1649
00:43:22,833 --> 00:43:24,534
HOW ABOUT, LIKE, FAIRNESS AMONG,

1650
00:43:24,535 --> 00:43:25,168
LIKE, HUMANS?

1651
00:43:25,169 --> 00:43:27,303
JUST US AS HUMANS?

1652
00:43:27,304 --> 00:43:27,971
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW SHE'S NOT

1653
00:43:27,972 --> 00:43:29,639
BEING TREATED LIKE A HUMAN.

1654
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:30,373
IF SHE WERE HERE AND YOU

1655
00:43:30,374 --> 00:43:31,007
COULD SAY SOMETHING TO HER, WHAT

1656
00:43:31,008 --> 00:43:32,208
WOULD YOU SAY?

1657
00:43:32,209 --> 00:43:34,577
HOW MUCH I LOVE HER AND I--

1658
00:43:34,578 --> 00:43:35,979
I'M ALWAYS THERE FOR HER,

1659
00:43:35,980 --> 00:43:38,114
GENUINELY, AS A HUMAN, LIKE,

1660
00:43:38,115 --> 00:43:39,148
THAT I DO, LIKE, I LOVE HER SO

1661
00:43:39,149 --> 00:43:41,017
MUCH, AND SHE DESERVES TO BE

1662
00:43:41,018 --> 00:43:41,584
TREATED JUST LIKE EVERYBODY

1663
00:43:41,585 --> 00:43:43,886
ELSE.

1664
00:43:43,887 --> 00:43:46,089
John: YEAH.

1665
00:43:46,090 --> 00:43:46,656
[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

1666
00:43:46,657 --> 00:43:49,959
SHE'S RIGHT.

1667
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,829
SHE'S COMPLETELY RIGHT.

1668
00:43:52,830 --> 00:43:53,363
SHE JUST ENCAPSULATED THE

1669
00:43:53,364 --> 00:43:54,263
ARGUMENT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO

1670
00:43:54,264 --> 00:43:54,897
MAKE FOR OVER HALF AN HOUR, BUT

1671
00:43:54,898 --> 00:43:56,165
WITH A VIBE BOTH MORE EMOTIONAL

1672
00:43:56,166 --> 00:43:57,033
AND ALSO SUBSTANTIALLY MORE

1673
00:43:57,034 --> 00:43:57,934
CHILL.

1674
00:43:57,935 --> 00:43:58,768
SO FIRST, THANK YOU FOR THAT,

1675
00:43:58,769 --> 00:43:59,702
JORDAN.

1676
00:43:59,703 --> 00:44:00,803
AND SECOND, SORRY TO EVERYONE

1677
00:44:00,804 --> 00:44:02,105
ELSE, BECAUSE NOW WE'RE GOING

1678
00:44:02,106 --> 00:44:04,107
BACK TO MY ENERGY WHICH WE ALL

1679
00:44:04,108 --> 00:44:06,409
KNOW IS SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE.

1680
00:44:06,410 --> 00:44:08,878
AND LOOK, FOR THE FINAL TIME, I

1681
00:44:08,879 --> 00:44:10,680
WILL CONCEDE, THERE ARE DEGREES

1682
00:44:10,681 --> 00:44:12,448
TO WHICH THIS ISSUE IS

1683
00:44:12,449 --> 00:44:14,484
MEANINGFULLY COMPLICATED.

1684
00:44:14,485 --> 00:44:15,752
BUT I'D ALSO ARGUE THOSE

1685
00:44:15,753 --> 00:44:17,420
COMPLICATIONS ARE AT THE ELITE

1686
00:44:17,421 --> 00:44:20,523
LEVELS OF SPECIFIC SPORTS.

1687
00:44:20,524 --> 00:44:21,124
AND WE CAN HAVE CONVERSATIONS

1688
00:44:21,125 --> 00:44:24,627
ABOUT WHAT "ELITE" MEANS, AND

1689
00:44:24,628 --> 00:44:25,261
WHERE EXACTLY TO DRAW THAT LINE.

1690
00:44:25,262 --> 00:44:27,030
WE CAN ENGAGE IN GOOD-FAITH

1691
00:44:27,031 --> 00:44:27,997
DEBATE ABOUT POLICIES THAT

1692
00:44:27,998 --> 00:44:30,233
ACTUALLY BALANCE COMPETITION AND

1693
00:44:30,234 --> 00:44:31,968
INCLUSION.

1694
00:44:31,969 --> 00:44:34,170
BUT IT'S IRONIC THAT, AT THE

1695
00:44:34,171 --> 00:44:35,405
HIGHEST LEVELS, SOME SPORTING

1696
00:44:35,406 --> 00:44:36,472
ASSOCIATIONS ARE STILL BEING

1697
00:44:36,473 --> 00:44:37,774
THOUGHTFUL AND DELIBERATE ABOUT

1698
00:44:37,775 --> 00:44:39,642
THIS, EVEN AS WE'RE PASSING

1699
00:44:39,643 --> 00:44:40,443
BLANKET BANS FOR ELEMENTARY

1700
00:44:40,444 --> 00:44:42,178
SCHOOLS.

1701
00:44:42,179 --> 00:44:42,945
WHICH IS BRUTAL.

1702
00:44:42,946 --> 00:44:44,213
BECAUSE YOU'VE SEEN HOW MUCH

1703
00:44:44,214 --> 00:44:45,782
SPORTS MEANS TO THE KIDS WHO

1704
00:44:45,783 --> 00:44:47,817
PLAY THEM.

1705
00:44:47,818 --> 00:44:48,584
TAKING THAT AWAY IS NOT A

1706
00:44:48,585 --> 00:44:51,054
HARMLESS ACT.

1707
00:44:51,055 --> 00:44:52,321
NOT FOR THESE KIDS, OR THE

1708
00:44:52,322 --> 00:44:54,057
MULTIPLE OTHERS YOU HAVEN'T

1709
00:44:54,058 --> 00:44:56,325
HEARD FROM TONIGHT-- SOME OF

1710
00:44:56,326 --> 00:44:57,260
WHOSE STORIES WE COULDN'T EVEN

1711
00:44:57,261 --> 00:44:58,294
SHOW YOU BECAUSE THE ENVIRONMENT

1712
00:44:58,295 --> 00:44:59,162
FOR TRANS KIDS IS SO FUCKING

1713
00:44:59,163 --> 00:45:00,496
TOXIC RIGHT NOW THAT THEY ASKED

1714
00:45:00,497 --> 00:45:01,431
US NOT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THEM

1715
00:45:01,432 --> 00:45:04,367
FOR THEIR SAFETY.

1716
00:45:04,368 --> 00:45:07,336
SO IF YOU'RE SOMEONE FOR WHOM

1717
00:45:07,337 --> 00:45:08,671
THIS IS JUST ABOUT THE

1718
00:45:08,672 --> 00:45:09,939
"INTEGRITY OF COMPETITION"--

1719
00:45:09,940 --> 00:45:10,973
AND FOR A LOT OF THE LOUDEST

1720
00:45:10,974 --> 00:45:12,875
PEOPLE PUSHING THIS, I DON'T

1721
00:45:12,876 --> 00:45:14,210
THINK IT IS-- BUT IF THAT'S THE

1722
00:45:14,211 --> 00:45:15,978
CASE FOR YOU, THEN I DO

1723
00:45:15,979 --> 00:45:18,848
ACKNOWLEDGE, WE'RE GOING TO

1724
00:45:18,849 --> 00:45:21,150
DISAGREE ABOUT SOME THINGS.

1725
00:45:21,151 --> 00:45:23,152
BUT THE ONE THING I'D ASK, IS

1726
00:45:23,153 --> 00:45:23,786
THAT YOU RECOGNIZE THE UGLINESS

1727
00:45:23,787 --> 00:45:25,688
OF HOW THIS ISSUE GETS

1728
00:45:25,689 --> 00:45:28,124
DISCUSSED, AND HOW IT'S BEING

1729
00:45:28,125 --> 00:45:29,425
CYNICALLY USED BY SOME TO

1730
00:45:29,426 --> 00:45:30,593
ADVANCE THE ERADICATION OF TRANS

1731
00:45:30,594 --> 00:45:32,395
PEOPLE, GENERALLY-- TO GET BACK

1732
00:45:32,396 --> 00:45:34,097
TO WHAT THEY KNOW FROM

1733
00:45:34,098 --> 00:45:34,931
SCRIPTURE, THAT TRANS PEOPLE ARE

1734
00:45:34,932 --> 00:45:36,265
A MYTH.

1735
00:45:36,266 --> 00:45:38,201
YOU KNOW, THE SAME SCRIPTURE

1736
00:45:38,202 --> 00:45:39,135
THAT TELLS US THE DEVIL IS AN

1737
00:45:39,136 --> 00:45:40,536
UNEMPLOYED ANGEL AND HAIR IS FOR

1738
00:45:40,537 --> 00:45:42,171
FOOT WASHING OR SUPER STRENGTH

1739
00:45:42,172 --> 00:45:43,539
AND TWO FISH AND SOME BREAD IS A

1740
00:45:43,540 --> 00:45:44,107
CATERING ORDER AND BOATS ARE

1741
00:45:44,108 --> 00:45:46,142
EMERGENCY ZOOS.

1742
00:45:46,143 --> 00:45:51,714
THANKS BE TO GOD.

1743
00:45:51,715 --> 00:45:52,315
AND JUST TO BE CLEAR: I'M NOT

1744
00:45:52,316 --> 00:45:53,282
HAPPY TO WATCH WOMEN EXPERIENCE

1745
00:45:53,283 --> 00:45:55,284
"INJURY, HUMILIATION AND A LOSS

1746
00:45:55,285 --> 00:45:56,552
OF SPORTING OPPORTUNITIES."

1747
00:45:56,553 --> 00:45:57,653
BUT THAT INCLUDES TRANS WOMEN

1748
00:45:57,654 --> 00:45:59,655
AND KIDS.

1749
00:45:59,656 --> 00:46:01,524
AND THEY SEEM TO BE GETTING HURT

1750
00:46:01,525 --> 00:46:03,126
THE MOST RIGHT NOW.

1751
00:46:03,127 --> 00:46:05,695
MEANWHILE, THERE ARE MUCH BIGGER

1752
00:46:05,696 --> 00:46:07,864
ISSUES REGARDING WOMEN'S SPORTS

1753
00:46:07,865 --> 00:46:09,098
THAT WE SHOULD ACTUALLY BE

1754
00:46:09,099 --> 00:46:10,666
ADDRESSING.

1755
00:46:10,667 --> 00:46:12,268
AND MAYBE THAT COULD BE WHAT

1756
00:46:12,269 --> 00:46:12,902
LAWMAKERS PRIORITIZE-- BECAUSE

1757
00:46:12,903 --> 00:46:15,538
FOR SO MANY WHO ARE LOUDLY

1758
00:46:15,539 --> 00:46:17,206
CLAIMING THEY'RE GOING TO BAT

1759
00:46:17,207 --> 00:46:19,776
FOR WOMEN'S SPORTS, IF I MAY

1760
00:46:19,777 --> 00:46:21,611
PARAPHRASE THE SINGLE MOST

1761
00:46:21,612 --> 00:46:23,713
HONEST MOM OF ALL TIME, SO FAR,

1762
00:46:23,714 --> 00:46:25,081
THEY'VE NEVER HIT A HOME RUN IN

1763
00:46:25,082 --> 00:46:27,383
THEIR FUCKING LIFE.

1764
00:46:27,384 --> 00:46:30,386
AND NOW, THIS.

1765
00:46:30,387 --> 00:46:30,920
♪ ♪

1766
00:46:30,921 --> 00:46:36,826
Announcer: AND NOW,

1767
00:46:36,827 --> 00:46:38,494
HE REALLY DOESN'T WANT YOU TO

1768
00:46:38,495 --> 00:46:40,229
FORGET HE WENT TO LAW SCHOOL.

1769
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:41,164
HEY, LISTEN TO ME THAT YOU

1770
00:46:41,165 --> 00:46:42,298
HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOUR

1771
00:46:42,299 --> 00:46:44,634
PARENTS, THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'D

1772
00:46:44,635 --> 00:46:46,602
BE LIKE IF YOU WENT TO THE

1773
00:46:46,603 --> 00:46:48,805
CHICAGO UNIVERSITY OF LAW SCHOOL

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AND WRITING FOR TMZ.

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I CAME BACK HERE TO PRACTICE

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LAW.

1777
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I TAUGHT LAW SCHOOL.

1778
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I'VE TAUGHT INTO LAW LAW

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SCHOOLS.

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I'VE TAUGHT IN THE UNIVERSITY OF

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MIAMI'S LAW SCHOOL FOR A YEAR.

1782
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I'M IN TOUCH WITH SOME OF MY

1783
00:47:02,352 --> 00:47:03,553
LAW SCHOOL COLLEAGUES FROM A

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00:47:03,554 --> 00:47:04,654
LONG TIME AGO.

1785
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I'M DOING SOMETHING WAY

1786
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DIFFERENT THAN MOST OF WHAT THEY

1787
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ARE DOING.

1788
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BY THE WAY, I WENT TO

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LAW SCHOOL.

1790
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UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI.

1791
00:47:19,603 --> 00:47:22,004
LAW SCHOOL THERE IS

1792
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APPARENTLY A TAX LIMIT I DO NOT

1793
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FULLY UNDERSTAND.

1794
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THAT WAS MY WORST GRADE IN

1795
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LAW SCHOOL.

1796
00:47:27,911 --> 00:47:30,580
SHE WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL WITH MY

1797
00:47:30,581 --> 00:47:31,848
LAW SCHOOL ROOMMATE.

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00:47:31,849 --> 00:47:34,183
FUN FACT.

1799
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I WENT TO CHICAGO LAW SCHOOL AND

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IT MEANS A LOT TO ME.

1801
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TWO OF THE MOST NEGATIVE

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LEGACIES THAT CHICAGO'S

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RESPONSIBLE FOR IS AL CAPONE AND

1804
00:47:47,598 --> 00:47:49,799
HARVEY'S LAW LICENSE.

1805
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,601
John: THAT'S OUR SHOW.

1806
00:47:51,602 --> 00:47:53,603
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WALKING!

1807
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WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK!

1808
00:47:54,137 --> 00:47:59,242
A GOOD NIGHT.

1809
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[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

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♪