1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:03,685 Congratulations. He's been charged, that fella you tipped us off about. 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,331 Oh, have you not heard? Apparently another body's turned up. 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:07,925 I bet he'd love to see you. 4 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:12,446 - I wondered about writing to him. - You should. 5 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:14,562 Couple of weeks ago, that new Miss Wealand. 6 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,007 Asking Ryan questions about his dad. Have you met her? 7 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:18,281 It's her. 8 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:20,601 - I've done things. - Is it to do with those women? 9 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:22,444 You'll visit me, won't you, Mum, in prison? 10 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:24,329 I don't think you'd like prison. 11 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:54,001 Ah. 12 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:56,325 Long story sideways. 13 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,211 Our Ryan's been coming home from school talking about Tommy Lee Royce 14 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,886 as this poor misunderstood fella that we all need to forgive. 15 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,770 Someone in this school is putting ideas into his head. 16 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:08,001 Someone left a birthday present, 17 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:12,051 an expensive birthday present, on our doorstep with a card, "From Dad." 18 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,168 Now, he is starting to think of that evil, 19 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,083 twisted, murdering bastard as his father, 20 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,561 because some deluded... 21 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,211 Someone in this school is filling his head 22 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,203 with deeply inappropriate ideas. 23 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:28,291 Do you recognise that person? 24 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,043 - No. - It's a woman, it ain't a lad. 25 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,727 Our Clare thinks it looks like Miss Wealand, your new TA. 26 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,044 That's someone in the toy shop in Hebden, 27 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,925 buying exactly the same toy that was left on our doorstep two weeks ago. 28 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,081 "From Dad." 29 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,891 Now, obviously, she could've been buying it for some completely other reason. 30 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:49,525 But it's a bit of a coincidence, isn't it? 31 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,046 Has Ryan said that it's her that's been talking about his dad? 32 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,003 No. It's delicate. I can't talk to him about it. 33 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:55,650 He gets angry with me. 34 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,326 But this is how insidious it is. I'm the baddie. 35 00:01:58,480 --> 00:01:59,925 Look, I'm not saying that you're wrong, Catherine. 36 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,288 But Miss Wealand is a very kind, caring, lovely woman. 37 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,169 She came to us with an excellent CV. 38 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,208 I'm sure she is, I'm sure that's how she operates. 39 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,326 Her and every other deluded nutcase that's ever groomed a kiddie. 40 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:11,925 - Groomed? - Well, it's what it is 41 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,684 if every time they have a one-to-one reading session, 42 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:15,250 she's encouraging him to think about his dad 43 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,448 -in some misguided, sentimental way... - Yeah, but, hang on, look. 44 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,488 We don't know that that is what's happening. 45 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,483 Why would anybody do that? 46 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:25,007 'Cause people are weird, people are mad, 47 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:26,923 and they don't always have it tattooed across their forehead. 48 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,129 The staff in this school are fully aware of the situation with Ryan. 49 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,364 - Does she work part-time? - Yeah, Mondays, Tuesday and Wednesdays. 50 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,801 - What does she do on her days off? - I've... I don't know. 51 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:38,650 - Where does she live? - Catherine. 52 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:40,688 - Does she talk about her private life? - Not to me. 53 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:42,763 You see, when that present appeared on our doorstep, 54 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,081 and we saw that card, my first thought is, 55 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,049 "This is someone who visits him in prison." 56 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:48,770 I can't believe she visits anyone in prison. 57 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,650 - This is someone he's manipulated. - Let me introduce you to her. 58 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:53,722 Come and meet her, please, come and see for yourself. 59 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,167 Honestly, Catherine, I think you'll be very pleasantly surprised. 60 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,004 No, 'cause we'll know soon enough if it is her, 61 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,482 because the DIU are investigating everybody he has any contact with. 62 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,484 But in the meantime, if you could find somebody else to read with him, 63 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:05,607 I'd be very grateful. 64 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,762 Because every second, if it is her, and maybe it isn't, 65 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,810 but if it is her, every second he spends with her, 66 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,089 she is encouraging him to think about this man as his father. 67 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,209 This psychopath, this man who's done nothing but destroy people's lives. 68 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,886 This man who threw petrol over him 18 months ago. 69 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,362 Someone here, for whatever reason, 70 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,569 is encouraging him to think that he is basically an okay guy, 71 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,042 and that I am some nasty angry bitch 72 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,327 for doing my damnedest to try and protect him from him. 73 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:32,361 Okay. 74 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:35,285 I can't talk to her, I can't get involved, 75 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:36,725 I need to let the DIU deal with it, 76 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,086 but I need you to be aware. 77 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:39,161 Right. 78 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,324 - You all right? - Yeah. 79 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,880 - You seem a bit preoccupied. - I'm fine. 80 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,289 You do know we're not gonna get a cup o' tea, don't you? 81 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,126 Yeah, well. I just want to make it clear 82 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,204 to Alison that I am still dealing with them scroates, 83 00:04:54,280 --> 00:04:59,207 despite Daryl's sophisticated, delicate efforts 84 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,721 to take the law into his own hands. 85 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:13,806 Sarge. 86 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,324 Was it like that when you arrested him? 87 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:20,401 I don't know. 88 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:22,250 I can't remember. 89 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,129 I've an idea it was parked the other way round. 90 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:38,121 Hello? 91 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:39,721 Alison? 92 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:43,001 Dawn? 93 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:50,201 Hello? 94 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,447 Alison? 95 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:14,769 Alison? Can you hear me? 96 00:06:21,840 --> 00:06:23,444 Alison, it's Catherine Cawood. 97 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:26,121 Sergeant Cawood. 98 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:29,680 Alison, listen, love, listen to me. 99 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:31,524 I want you to squeeze my hand if you can hear me. 100 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,125 Check upstairs, see if there's anyone else, 101 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:34,964 anyone injured and be careful. 102 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,691 Bravo November four-five. Urgent assistance required. 103 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:50,401 Far Sunderland Farm, up Wainstalls, off Cold Edge Road. 104 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,528 I need an ambulance, there's a 40-something woman, 105 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:54,921 Alison Garrs, suspected overdose. 106 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:56,411 Diazepam, not sure how many. 107 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,689 She seems to have washed 'em down with vodka and whisky. 108 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,161 Her pulse is weak, but she's conscious and breathing. 109 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,561 Alison? Alison. 110 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:07,567 There's also a male. 111 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,131 I'm fairly certain it's her son, Daryl Garrs. 112 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,168 Fatal gunshot injury to the back of the head. 113 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,686 Possible weapon at the scene. I need F-Sup here to prove. 114 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:17,888 I need the on-call DI. I need the duty SIO. 115 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:18,961 I need a CSI. 116 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,169 I need any available troops to come and secure the scene. 117 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:28,206 God knows what's happened, but it's carnage. 118 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:30,570 I've got all that for the log, Sarge. 119 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:31,641 Is there anything else? 120 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:34,126 No, I'll keep you posted. 121 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,330 Alison? Who's done this, Alison? 122 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,528 Who's done this to Daryl, Alison? 123 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,364 - Alison, can you hear me? - No. 124 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:41,441 Come on. 125 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:44,884 Put your arm round me, come on. 126 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,886 - Upstairs is clear. - Let's get her out of this. 127 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:50,166 I thought you weren't supposed to move people? 128 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:51,480 - Just, just... - Where shall I get hold of her? 129 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,085 Oh, man up, Princess. Use your initiative. 130 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,564 Ambulance on its way to you now, four-five, from Keighley. 131 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,608 ETA 16 minutes. 132 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:04,841 Keighley? 133 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,450 They're all tied up in Halifax. 134 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,522 Get your mobile out, dial 999. 135 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:14,281 Alison! 136 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:16,206 I need a paramedic talking to me. 137 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,362 I need to know what the latest is with an overdose. 138 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,165 Hello there, it's Constable Shafiq Shah here, 139 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,323 collar number 9242, I've got a lady here, she's taken... 140 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,641 - Diazepam, whisky, vodka. - Diazepam, whisky, vodka. 141 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,927 - We need advice. - Stay with us, Alison! Come on, love. 142 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,684 You're not gonna fall asleep on me, I need you awake. 143 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:31,649 Conscious, yeah, but she's struggling to stay with us. 144 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,281 Alison, listen. Alison, who shot Daryl? 145 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,491 Who did that to Daryl? 146 00:08:38,560 --> 00:08:40,324 - I don't know. - Who was here? 147 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,721 Did you see what happened, Alison? Who was here? 148 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:44,450 Nobody. No one was here. 149 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,888 Right, you need to induce her to vomit. Yeah, then what? 150 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:52,045 Then you... Then clear the airway and put her in the recovery position. 151 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:56,330 Okay. Tell you what, you go back inside and get some water and a blanket. 152 00:08:56,560 --> 00:09:01,566 And try not to tread on anything, like the floor, any more than you have to. 153 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,042 The request? gone in to F-S up, four-five. 154 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:05,770 CID've been informed and they're on the way. 155 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:07,683 I've also put the request in for a CSI. 156 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:09,046 Is there anything else I can help you with? 157 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,043 What's the best way to make someone sick? 158 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:12,485 Stick your fingers down their throat. 159 00:09:12,560 --> 00:09:14,130 Oh, yeah, and get my hand bitten off? 160 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:18,085 Okay, Alison. Listen. 161 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:25,970 I need you to be sick. 162 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:27,690 No, no, no. 163 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:30,000 No. Alison. 164 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,328 - I know it's not pleasant. - I'm just... 165 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,451 I'm going to lie down. 166 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,729 Yeah, you can lie down, but I just need you to be sick first. 167 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:41,801 No. 168 00:09:44,560 --> 00:09:46,847 Can you stick your fingers down your throat for me? 169 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:47,921 No. 170 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,282 I can't let you go to sleep until you've been sick, Alison. 171 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,330 You're not lying down until you've been sick. 172 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:56,811 Shh, it's fine. 173 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:58,928 - Alison! - It's fine. 174 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,923 No. Stay awake, Alison! 175 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,521 Right. Who shot Daryl? Alison. Alison? 176 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:10,161 Alison. 177 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:15,803 I shot Daryl. 178 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,123 You? You shot... You? 179 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:20,961 You shot Daryl? 180 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,325 - Mmm. - You? You shot... 181 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,884 Why, Alison, why would you do... Why would you do that? 182 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:05,931 Bravo November four-five. 183 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:10,528 Could you contact Mr Shepherd or DI Shackleton at Norland Road? 184 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,807 And tell them there's a vehicle here that could be involved 185 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:14,570 in Operation Syracuse. 186 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:16,563 It's a Peugeot 205. 187 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:21,282 It's red, it's damaged. 188 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,003 Will do four-five. 189 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,161 Alison. Did you really? 190 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:31,480 Alison? 191 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:33,161 Mmm. 192 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,161 I'm going to have to caution you. 193 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:47,801 Okay. 194 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:49,921 Phew. 195 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,085 I'm arresting you. Do you understand? 196 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,368 I'm arresting you on suspicion of murder. 197 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:01,685 You don't have to say anything. 198 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,443 But it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned 199 00:12:07,560 --> 00:12:09,642 something you later rely on in court. 200 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,287 Anything you do say may be given in evidence. 201 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,685 I don't feel so good. 202 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,571 - Steve, come away for a bit. - Sure. 203 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,326 What's... Has there been a development? 204 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,485 A woman, up Wainstalls, 205 00:12:53,560 --> 00:12:55,722 has just shot her own son in the back of the head. 206 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,247 - By accident? - Uh, no. 207 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,402 No, she'd taken an overdose, pissed out of her skull. 208 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:06,691 And apparently, the reason she did it, she's just told Catherine Cawood, 209 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,128 is because the son told her about what he did to those women. 210 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,850 - Is he dead? - Well dead by the sound of things. 211 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,161 Jesus. 212 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:21,087 I know. 213 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:23,844 I need everyone in the briefing room. 214 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,369 Apparently, he also said he didn't do that Vicky Fleming one. 215 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:33,528 Can I get everyone in the briefing room now, folks? Please. 216 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:34,726 Thank you. 217 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,722 And he told his mother that he wouldn't have had to do that last one, 218 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,600 if people hadn't kept thinking that he'd done that Vicky Fleming one. 219 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,490 We need to reassess everything that we've got on Vicky Fleming. 220 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,004 We need to find this mysterious boyfriend 221 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:53,366 one of her colleagues at work mentioned. 222 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,169 The one we thought Vicky must have been making up. 223 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,250 How's it going up there? 224 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:41,722 Like Piccadilly Circus when I left. More detectives than prime-time TV. 225 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:45,085 I think they'll be there a while. 226 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:48,681 Are you okay? 227 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,807 She shot her own child in the back of the head. 228 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,041 - Are you still seeing that therapist? - Yes! 229 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:09,761 Yeah. 230 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:13,045 I've got some intel for you. 231 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:17,644 Tommy Lee Royce's Scottish visitor is a woman called Frances Drummond, 232 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,049 45 years old, she's a pharmacist from Linlithgow. 233 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,169 Well, she was until very recently. 234 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:25,890 They've sent a photo. 235 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,964 And I'm wondering if it's that woman in that CCTV from the toy shop. 236 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,601 So, if that's Frances Drummond, who's Miss Wealand then? 237 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,284 Well, she's invented Miss Wealand, hasn't she? 238 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:43,764 Mrs Beresford told me this morning, "She came to us with an excellent CV." 239 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,810 Mrs Beresford isn't somebody who wouldn't check out references. 240 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,602 Shit. 241 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,484 Shit. Oh. 242 00:15:58,080 --> 00:15:59,081 Hello? 243 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:00,764 You're not gonna believe this, it's mental. 244 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:02,763 - She's mental. - Who's mental? 245 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:07,244 Well, not Miss Wealand, because Miss Wealand, Cecily Wealand, 246 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:11,120 a qualified teaching assistant from Linlithgow, is dead. 247 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:12,961 What? 248 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:17,243 Dead and had her identity stolen. 249 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:21,006 - So, who's... - She is called Frances Drummond. 250 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:24,687 Also from Linlithgow, a pharmacist. God knows, don't ask. 251 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:28,810 And she visits Tommy Lee Royce in Gravesend 252 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,362 and now lives in Hebden, as Cecily Wealand. 253 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,568 Shit. Oh, shit. 254 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,291 - I know. - No, I mean... 255 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:38,850 Do you want me to get round to the school? 256 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:40,405 No, no, no. 257 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:42,843 I'm just waiting for some intel from East Lothian. 258 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,321 They're talking to Cecily Wealand's partner. 259 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,607 Well, widower. 260 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:49,330 I need a copy of the death certificate, 261 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,482 then CID'll go in to arrest her for fraud. 262 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:53,050 Wow. Fraud? 263 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,168 Yeah. Fraud by false representation. 264 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,607 We'll have to deal with whatever the hell she thinks she's been doing 265 00:16:57,680 --> 00:16:58,920 regarding our Ryan after we've dealt with that. 266 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,887 - Hang on, she's, she's, she's... - She's targeted him. 267 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:08,843 It's properly creepy, she's obtained a job she's not qualified for. 268 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,962 She's stolen a dead woman's identity 269 00:17:13,120 --> 00:17:17,364 specifically because this woman had the right kind of qualifications 270 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:18,965 to allow her to get close to Ryan 271 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,567 so that she could fill his head with pap about Tommy Lee Royce, 272 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:27,521 who she, Frances Drummond, visits in Gravesend. 273 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,766 Phone, I've gotta go, bye, bye. 274 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:33,171 Oh. 275 00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:46,402 So, Cecily Wealand was Frances Drummond's sister, 276 00:17:48,120 --> 00:17:51,408 48 years old, she had a stroke nine months ago. 277 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:56,805 Her partner, her husband, 278 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:04,244 thinks when she died, Cecily... He was in pieces. 279 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:08,245 And Frances helped with a lot of practical stuff. 280 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:09,685 And he thinks that's when she might have 281 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,843 got her hands on various bits of personal documentation. 282 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,885 All right. Let's send 'em in to make the arrest. 283 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:19,883 Have you got a number for this Mrs Beresford? 284 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:21,689 I'll ring her and warn her they're coming. 285 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:23,410 Then I'll get onto the prison liaison officer. 286 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,847 They need to let Gravesend know he's been grooming this woman. 287 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:30,211 Sad, isn't it? 288 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:32,645 No criminal record. 289 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,768 She's held down a perfectly respectable job for upward of 15 years. 290 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,881 And then, she does this mad thing. 291 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:43,646 And for what? 292 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,331 Forty-five minutes once a fortnight with a psychopath. 293 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,562 - Hello. - Yes! Hello. It's Mike Taylor. 294 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:51,241 Okay- 295 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,641 Yeah, I've got POLSA team pulling the place apart. 296 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,563 There's all sorts of stuff in his bedroom. 297 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,689 Chances are there'll be stuff he's hidden as well, I think. 298 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:07,649 Dare I say it, I'll be surprised if this isn't him. 299 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:10,682 Have you had time to think through a media strategy? 300 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:12,967 Yeah, the minute we're in a position to break the news... 301 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:14,849 Oh, oh, did you fast track that DNA swab they took last week? 302 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:16,843 - Yeah, yeah, I did. - Thanks. 303 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:18,729 Yeah, the minute we 're in a position to break the news, 304 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:20,848 I want images of Vicky Fleming out there big time. 305 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:22,206 On every news channel. 306 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,284 I want the date that flat was burned out seared into people's brains. 307 00:19:25,360 --> 00:19:29,251 I want people thinking back to that night, what they were doing that night. 308 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,926 We just didn't get that message out there big enough last time, 309 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:33,047 somebody must have seen her. 310 00:19:33,120 --> 00:19:34,884 Somebody must have seen or heard something. 311 00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:36,326 Yeah. Yeah. 312 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:40,082 Because if they didn't... Oh, God knows. 313 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:45,963 You know, whoever burnt that flat out knew exactly what they were doing, 314 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:47,565 as regards destroying evidence. 315 00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:51,124 And whoever mutilated her body knew what this lad was doing to these other women. 316 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,043 I'm looking at who's here. 317 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:55,366 All doing their jobs. 318 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:57,761 And I'm thinking about everybody there, 319 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,002 everybody on the team, my team in the office. 320 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,962 Might not be a man. Which one of 'em would do that? 321 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:05,963 Which one of them would be capable of it? 322 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:08,882 Well, there are other explanations. 323 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,566 Yeah, but address the question. 324 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:16,167 Well, your first instinct is nobody. Nobody's capable of that. 325 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,526 But then, the truth is anybody's capable of anything. 326 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,250 In the right circumstances. 327 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:25,361 So, who then? 328 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:26,441 Oh. 329 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,406 I've gone all creepy now. You're making me feel like maybe I've done it. 330 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:30,766 I know. It's that mad, isn't it? 331 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,291 So, come on. Who? 332 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,127 - Why would I do it? - Oh, you? 333 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:36,690 Yeah, let's start with me. 334 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,161 Under what circumstances might I end up doing that? 335 00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:40,885 -- I haven 't, by the way. 336 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,327 - Although, I would say that. - Right, well... 337 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,729 You'd do it if you wanted to get rid of somebody and disguise it, 338 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:52,566 somebody who'd upset you, obviously. 339 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,007 I mean, the way she was strangled, 340 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,048 it's not like it wasn't an accident, was it? 341 00:20:57,120 --> 00:21:00,283 Vicky Fleming had John Wadsworth's number on her mobile phone. 342 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:03,769 He accounted for it. 343 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,764 He, uh... He did an investigation at the building society three years ago 344 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,205 when he was with the economic crime unit, 345 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,329 and it isn't even like the number was ever used. 346 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,245 Well, there you go, that's a perfectly, reasonable... 347 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,767 But people use secret shagging phones, don't they? 348 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,242 That they could destroy in a fire. 349 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,645 And the thing is, his marriage's been a bit shit lately. 350 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,491 Oh, well, better arrest him then, eh, boss? 351 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:29,166 I know. 352 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,126 I've known the man 23 years, 353 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,202 you feel like washing your mouth out, don't you? 354 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:38,601 After you. 355 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,281 These gentlemen need to talk to you. This is Miss Wealand. 356 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:47,450 Frances Elizabeth Drummond. 357 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,001 Sorry? 358 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:54,171 I'm arresting you on suspicion of fraud by false representation. 359 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:58,131 Contrary to Section 2 of the Fraud Act 2006. 360 00:21:58,200 --> 00:21:59,770 You do not have to say anything. 361 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,810 But it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned 362 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,407 something you later rely on in court. 363 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,403 Anything you do say may be given in evidence. 364 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:09,046 Do you have a mobile phone? 365 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:11,327 Ryan Cawood needs to talk about his father. 366 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,482 He needs someone who will listen to him. 367 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,882 - You've been here under false pretences. - Think about Ryan. 368 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,486 I have to explain that to the parents and to the governors 369 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:20,971 and to the children. 370 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:22,724 - Think about Ryan. - They liked you. 371 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,929 - Have you a mobile phone? - In my handbag. 372 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:27,766 And a coat? 373 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:29,971 Yeah, staff room. 374 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:31,685 - Do you want me to... - Would you mind? 375 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:41,280 So, what'll happen? 376 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:43,564 They'll charge her. And then they'll bail her. 377 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:45,641 And then what? 378 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:49,091 And then 379 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,523 somebody might need to pop round to her house on Upper Brunswick Street 380 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,683 and have a quiet word with her about taking the high road back to Linlithgow. 381 00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:01,450 And will that be you? 382 00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:06,648 Well, you know me, I wouldn't want her to break her bail conditions. 383 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:13,245 She won't be allowed within 500 yards of Ryan and/or members of his family, so... 384 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,482 Ey, you'll not credit. 385 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,484 I looked in on Winnie. She's only gone and got Ilinka a job. 386 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:31,961 How? 387 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:33,724 Cleaning at White Lion. 388 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:34,921 How? 389 00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:37,009 Gordon popped round. Four doors down. 390 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,082 And he knows Tanya. 391 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,845 I think he's her uncle and she's the manager. 392 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:46,450 So, Ilinka went round there with him and Bob's your uncle. 393 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,921 I said, "Can you get me a job, Winnie?" 394 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:50,846 So, what? Is she stopping? 395 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,002 I know, that's what I said. 396 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:57,165 And Winnie goes, "Well, we've got the alarm now, haven't we? 397 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,762 "And I have asked Catherine 398 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,003 "to not bother sleeping in that conservatory any more." 399 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:07,680 Are you all right? 400 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,883 Just an odd day. When I got there this morning... 401 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,644 Shot her own kid's head off. 402 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,926 Your own kid. What does it take to do that, eh? 403 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,408 I mean, obviously, it takes finding out you've given birth to a serial nutter. 404 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,847 But then, after she'd explained that, 405 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,366 she goes, "Only he didn't do that fourth one, that Vicky Fleming. 406 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,442 "He wanted people to know that wasn't him." Like... 407 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,722 "Oh, well, that's all right then. As long as he didn't do that one." 408 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,403 God alone knows what she's been through. 409 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:49,926 So, who did? 410 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,322 Well, that's the 64-million-dollar question now, isn't it? 411 00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,211 I'll start cooking some tea. 412 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,810 Frances, I'm not here as a police officer, I'm here as Ryan's grandmother. 413 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,644 I want to sort this out. 414 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,883 I want to understand you, and I want you to understand me. 415 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,611 I know you've never had a criminal record. 416 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,762 I know you've held down a very responsible, 417 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,889 perfectly respectable job for the last 15 years. 418 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,689 I want to understand why you've done what you've done, 419 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,046 I want to know what you want. 420 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,569 And I want you to know things about me. 421 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,808 Can I come in? 422 00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:22,601 Or we can go down the road and get a cup of tea somewhere, 423 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,081 if you'd prefer. 424 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,091 Your people came here. They took things. 425 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,331 You've had a long day. Probably quite an unpleasant one. 426 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,447 I won't take up any more of your time than I need to. 427 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:58,567 Okay. 428 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,610 What I think, you see, is that you're not a bad person. 429 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:02,841 Far from it. 430 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,924 And you believe what you've done, you've done for the best. 431 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,050 Ryan should have a relationship with his father. 432 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,009 However difficult things are. 433 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,971 Look, I realise everything you know about this, us, 434 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,042 you've been told by him. 435 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:19,686 Tommy Lee Royce. 436 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,810 And I... Do you mind if I sit down? 437 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,885 And I realise you're in a relationship of some sort with him. 438 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,371 We're getting married. 439 00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:37,246 Okay, look. 440 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:38,560 I know you're probably not going to accept 441 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,244 a lot of the things I'm going to tell you right now. 442 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,244 But obviously I have a very different perspective on it all to him. 443 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,762 And I want you to hear it. Whether you accept it or not. Okay? 444 00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:50,327 He's a sex offender. 445 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:51,401 He raped my daughter. 446 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,007 He was very fond of your daughter. 447 00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:58,365 Oh, no. No. He took advantage of her, brutally. Brutally. 448 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,922 And after Ryan was born, she took her own life. 449 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,885 That was nothing to do with him. He was in prison by then. 450 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,322 It had everything to do with him. She was traumatised. 451 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,041 We are going to have different versions of the same story, 452 00:28:10,120 --> 00:28:14,330 but please credit me with... I was there. 453 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,841 When she gave birth and after. 454 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:20,920 And I know what she went through. 455 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,448 You deprived him of having a relationship with his child. 456 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,364 You never even let him know he'd been born. 457 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,808 Tommy Lee Royce is a psychopath. 458 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,206 No. 459 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,931 He's a murderer and he's a sex offender. 460 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,124 And you must know, you must realise, that I think, 461 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,124 you have allowed yourself to be deluded by this dangerous man 462 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:43,884 because you're infatuated with him. 463 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,082 You might not want to believe that he raped my daughter, 464 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,288 but you do know, you do know, 465 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,682 that he raped Ann Gallagher, murdered Kirsten McAskill 466 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:57,045 in the most hideous manner, and Lewis Whippey, and Brett McKendrick. 467 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:58,525 And he tried to murder me. 468 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,404 Lewis Whippey was the one who raped Ann Gallagher. 469 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,165 And he was the one who murdered Kirsten McAskill. 470 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,004 - Not Tommy. - That's not what the court decided. 471 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:06,730 On very solid forensic evidence... 472 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,929 Tommy did kill Lewis Whippey and Brett McKendrick, 473 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,891 but only in self-defence. He attacked you only in self-defence. 474 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:16,924 Okay, so, obviously that's his version, 475 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,128 and clearly that's what you're choosing to believe right now. 476 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,522 Which worries me, Frances, because it makes you 477 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,400 a woman who all your life appears to have been law-abiding, 478 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:31,327 logical, kind, normal... It makes you seem a little bit unhinged. 479 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,483 And certainly misguided if that's what you're prepared to believe. 480 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,130 Do you want to know what I believe? 481 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,048 I believe that no one is born evil. 482 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,249 He may have done things, I know he's done things. 483 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,721 Yes, he will inevitably have put his own slant on it all 484 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,770 and made it seem not as bad as it might really have been. 485 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,809 But we all do that, we're all human. 486 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,484 But he isn't evil. 487 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,724 He's a product of his childhood, and he had an awful childhood. 488 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,007 But he isn't intrinsically evil. 489 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,121 We condemn the sin, not the sinner. 490 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:04,361 With help and kindness, 491 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,843 I believe he'll become the person he was always capable of being. 492 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,720 Good and kind and gentle and thoughtful. 493 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,407 That's what I see when I visit him, when I look into his eyes. 494 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,684 I see no evil. Not a trace of it. 495 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,570 Surely it would benefit him and Ryan if they could have a good relationship. 496 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,644 Frances, you're old enough to be his mother. 497 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,327 I think you are actually older than his mother was when she died. 498 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,289 Does that not ring alarm bells? Does it not worry you? 499 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:37,930 No. Why should it? 500 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,570 He's using you. 501 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,008 He's used you just to get close to Ryan. He's groomed you. 502 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,202 You've been groomed. You've been picked, you've been chosen, 503 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:47,645 for what he can get out of you. 504 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,848 He could be very fond of Ryan if you'd let him. 505 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,524 No, no, no, Frances. 506 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,729 You can't begin to imagine on how many levels that will never happen. 507 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,282 - Why are you so angry? So negative? - No, I'm not. 508 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,126 It's you who's deluded about this dangerous man, because he's pretty. 509 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:03,561 Oh... 510 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,289 - You're jealous. - Oh, no. No. 511 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:09,885 No, I'm shocked, I'm disappointed 512 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,248 that a woman of your obvious intelligence and ability 513 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:18,122 can allow herself to be fooled by this... This... This... 514 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,246 You know what, tell me this. 515 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,243 If he looked like, I don't know, 516 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,210 Ian Brady or Peter Sutcliffe or Jimmy Savile, 517 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,526 or some other sad, twisted fuck, 518 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,443 would you believe a single word he said? 519 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,804 But he doesn't look like them. 520 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,487 On the inside he looks exactly like them. 521 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,123 And one day, maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, 522 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,409 but soon, the scales will fall away from your eyes, because they always do. 523 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,131 And you'll realise how foolish he's made you look. 524 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,520 And how much damage he's inflicted on you. 525 00:31:55,600 --> 00:32:00,322 A nice, kind, normal person who this really shouldn't have happened to. 526 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,491 At 17 minutes past 4:00 this afternoon, 527 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,530 the remains of the dead man were removed from the farmhouse. 528 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,284 A woman who also lives at the address 529 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,126 remains under police protection at a hospital in Halifax. 530 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,766 I'm not in a position at this moment to tell you any more about the body 531 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,842 that was found at Far Sunderland Farm this morning. 532 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,922 However, I can tell you that at this time 533 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,968 we're not looking for any suspects 534 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,611 in relation to the deaths of Ana Vasalescu, 535 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,321 Aurelija Petrovic, Lynn Dewhurst or Elise May Hughes. 536 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,448 We are, however, still appealing to the public 537 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,525 for any information regarding the death of Victoria Fleming. 538 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,445 We're asking people to think back to the evening and the night 539 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,325 of Thursday, the 12th of September. 540 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,846 Anyone who lives in Ripponden, or visits Ripponden 541 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,126 to check their diaries, 542 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,568 and think of anything suspicious that they might have seen or heard. 543 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,483 If anyone was out in Ripponden that evening, 544 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,767 particularly anyone out into the small hours 545 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,207 on Thursday the 12th of September, 546 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,362 we would be very keen to talk to them. 547 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,006 What have I done? 548 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:24,526 What have I done? 549 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,247 Eh? What have I done? Nothing. 550 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:32,406 Why me? 551 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,843 Why me, you bastard? 552 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,045 You bastard! You bastard! 553 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:46,047 You fucking bastard! You bastard, what have I done? 554 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,407 What have I done? Nothing! 555 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,608 Fuck all! Nothing! 556 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,287 Why? Why? You bastard! What have I done? 557 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:04,931 It'll be okay. 558 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,449 - Everything all right? - Yeah. 559 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,081 Just... 560 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,204 Neil wanted to tell you something. 561 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,490 I knew Vicky Fleming. 562 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,530 - Morning. - Morning. 563 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,602 I was just nipping through to talk to one of your lot actually. 564 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,843 I've got some information that might be relevant about Vicky Fleming. 565 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,922 I don't know that it helps. But it's interesting. 566 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,968 - If you could pass it on to Mr Shepherd? - Sure. 567 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:58,969 He's a friend of me sister's, this, um... Uh, bloke. 568 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,364 Are you all right? You look like you've got flu. 569 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,647 Yeah. Uh, I think I'm starting with it. Go on. 570 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,281 Yeah, he's called Neil Ackroyd, he lives down Hebden Bridge. 571 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,249 He's happy to come in and be interviewed, although... 572 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,729 Well, it's sensitive. He knew Vicky Fleming. 573 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,850 This is about four or five years ago. He was having a fling with her. 574 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,366 He was married and apparently, 575 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,364 she tried to blackmail him... Well, she did blackmail him. 576 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,408 She must have drugged him and then taken photos of him. 577 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:26,686 Compromising photos. 578 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,525 And then threatened to e-mail them to everyone he knew, 579 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,125 all his family and friends, if he didn't pay up, 580 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,645 'cause she'd downloaded his contacts. 581 00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:34,688 Anyway, he couldn't pay what she was asking, 582 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,683 and she ruined his life. 583 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,003 He lost his family, he lost his job, his dignity. He became an alcoholic. 584 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,769 That's his name and number if you want to pass it on. 585 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,083 'Cause whoever killed her could've been someone she was blackmailing. 586 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:51,521 Thank you. 587 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,564 You want to get yourself home to bed. 588 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,563 Uh, I know. Yeah, thank you. Thanks. 589 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,001 - Morning. - Morning, ma'am. 590 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,084 That John Wadsworth. 591 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,845 He's not this detective you told our Daniel about, is he? 592 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,001 Why? 593 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,683 No, I just... I think you did well to avoid that one. 594 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:32,841 Why? 595 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:33,967 I just gave him some information 596 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,122 that I thought might be pertinent to the investigation, 597 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,921 about this fella that Vicky Fleming blackmailed years ago. 598 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,287 And he has this glazed look in his eye. Like... Durr. 599 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,203 - What, and you think it's him? - Who? 600 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:45,884 The fella she blackmailed? 601 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:46,961 No. 602 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,121 No. But I'm thinking... 603 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,762 Whoever did it could be someone else she's blackmailed. 604 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,003 Whereas he's... Really not interested, right over his head. 605 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,481 You can do a lot better than that, love. 606 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,608 Well, I didn't fancy him if that's what you were thinking. 607 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,847 Good morning, you lucky people. 608 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,001 Oh! 609 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:54,161 Morning. 610 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,206 - Can I help? - Uh, yeah. I hope so. 611 00:37:58,440 --> 00:37:59,771 Uh, I'd like to speak to someone. 612 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,562 I've got some information that might be relevant, 613 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,491 uh, regarding the, um... Victoria Fleming. 614 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:13,205 Right, this morning. We've got two people who've come forward. 615 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,604 We've got, uh... Gary Sugden. 616 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,251 Yeah, who's the landlord of the Wills O'Nats pub up Slaithwaite. 617 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,889 And Gemma Tomkinson, who works at the Travel Inn at Ainley Top. 618 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,250 Both of them are saying they've seen a woman 619 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:29,765 who they believe might have been Vicky Fleming, 620 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,763 at their establishments, with a man. 621 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,889 Both are talking about a man smartly dressed, professional, 622 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,442 shirt and tie, suit, clean shaven, white, late 40s, early 50s, 623 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,602 at around the time she went missing. 624 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,207 She, this Gemma, describes the man as not looking very well. 625 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,329 So, interviewing those two this morning takes priority. 626 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,605 This Gemma also reckons they might still have some CCTV, 627 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,330 even though it's more than 28 days since it happened. 628 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:53,811 She's checked her records, 629 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:58,442 and this was, uh, three clays before the flat was burnt out. 630 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,524 Three days before Vicky Fleming last turned up at work. 631 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,649 We've also had a number of calls from people who were in Ripponden that night, 632 00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:08,008 these are all new people, people who did not come forward last time. 633 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,889 Sorry. This is probably mad. 634 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,202 But when we were doing house-to-house, weeks ago, me and John Wadsworth... 635 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,965 And I'm not just saying this because he stood me up. 636 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,247 He was never off his phone, making furtive phone calls. 637 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,687 And I remember saying to Shaf, "He's having an affair." 638 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,487 And then like, a couple of days later, a week after my mother died, 639 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,291 he was asking me how he could get his hands on £1,000. 640 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,169 And he looked like shit. 641 00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:44,607 I know everyone's busy thinking outside the box, 642 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,365 but the fact does remain that it'd make a lot more sense 643 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,568 if it was someone inside the investigation. 644 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:52,924 Like, he was being blackmailed. 645 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,970 Catherine. Uh, there's a fella. I've put him in there. 646 00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,724 - Graham Tattersall. - Mmm. 647 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,007 He says he's got some information about Victoria Fleming, 648 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:02,570 and he wants to see a detective, 649 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,644 but they're still all up in the briefing and he's itching to get off to work. 650 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,285 - So, could you... - Sure. 651 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:11,361 It might be relevant. 652 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:12,881 I'll mention it. 653 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:20,924 Mr Tattersall? I'm Sergeant Cawood. 654 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,729 If you want to give me a few brief details, 655 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,485 I can pass your information on to CID, and somebody will contact you. 656 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,085 Uh, okay. 657 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:36,563 Uh, well, the thing is, I've been having a... In a... Having a... 658 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,850 In a... relationship. 659 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,650 Uh, she's married and I'm married. 660 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,561 And her husband's having an affair with someone else. 661 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:53,082 Anyway, he was away from home one night, "on obs," he said. 662 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,204 He's a police officer. And I was round at her house. 663 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,601 'Cause normally when he's on obs, he's out all night. 664 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,761 So, um, this particular night, uh, 665 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,803 he turned up 1:00 in the morning. 666 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:07,361 Yeah. 667 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,604 Which was exciting. 668 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,969 The point is she rang me last night, Amanda, his wife did. 669 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:17,929 And we checked our diaries. 670 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,368 And it's the same night Victoria Fleming went missing. 671 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,046 Well, the same night her flat was burnt out. 672 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,930 Sorry, you think this bloke might have something to do with Vicky Fleming, 673 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,202 because he caught you in bed with his wife at 1:00 in the morning? 674 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:30,361 Yes. 675 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,283 - What's his name? - John Wadsworth. 676 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,047 Paul, can you interview this Gemma Tomkinson? 677 00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:42,891 John, can you phone these people back who've left messages? 678 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,601 I'm just gonna go to the chemist and get something for this, uh, cold. 679 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,682 Oh, yeah. You do look like shit warmed up. 680 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:49,921 I shan't be long. 681 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,526 - Go home. - I'm fine. 682 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:53,931 Alastair. 683 00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:58,965 He did this. 684 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,725 After they'd arrested that lad, that first one, that Saturday morning. 685 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,131 He must have thought he'd got away with it. 686 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,089 He came round our house and he knocked me about. 687 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:06,764 And that was interesting in itself, 'cause he was going, 688 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,446 "Where is she then? Where's this woman I've been having this affair with?" 689 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:10,851 I shan't be long. 690 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,762 Obviously by then she was dead, so he could say that. 691 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:19,201 John? 692 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:23,801 John! 693 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:30,445 John. 694 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:33,281 John, wait. 695 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,602 I just want to talk to you! 696 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,161 John! I just want to talk to you. 697 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:45,841 John! 698 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,763 Fucking idiot! What you doing? 699 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:55,201 Jesus. 700 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,926 Bravo November four-five. I'm chasing, it's complicated, 701 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,082 but I'm chasing DS John Wadsworth, 702 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,731 who I believe has been involved in the murder of Vicky Fleming. 703 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,571 Follow that BMW. Put your foot down. 704 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,762 Units to Sowerby Bridge railway station. 705 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,523 For once in your life in the right place 706 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,602 at the right time, doesn't it feel good, eh? 707 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,280 God knows what his plans are, but this is a dead end. 708 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,162 Oh, bollocks! 709 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:37,641 Oh! 710 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:42,520 Throw it broadside! 711 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:52,361 Hand brake! 712 00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,682 That's B- R-A- K-E. 713 00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,528 He's heading straight for the tracks. 714 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,851 Four-five. Do not follow. 715 00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:23,528 Brava November four-five, do not follow. 716 00:44:27,720 --> 00:44:28,721 Bollocks. 717 00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:56,401 Oh, fuck. 718 00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:04,370 Oh! Oh! 719 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,564 You don't come near me! 720 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,690 John, it's not that high. You're not gonna... 721 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,209 You're just gonna break your legs and make a mess. 722 00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:15,281 - Piss off! - Shit. 723 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,804 He's on the bridge opposite the nick, he looks like he's gonna jump. 724 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:20,891 Shit. 725 00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,890 Come on, we both know she was blackmailing you! 726 00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:28,288 And I burnt the evidence, didn't I! 727 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,681 There's other people's evidence. 728 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,441 There's this Neil bloke I told you about, for one. And there's... 729 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,683 More than likely there's others. 730 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,489 She spiked my drink! 731 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,080 She took photos of me looking stupid and she was going to send them to people! 732 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:45,685 - I know. - Everybody! 733 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,208 People I work with, my mother, my kids, 734 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,250 people I don't even know that well! They're just people... 735 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,049 People you don't even like, 736 00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,361 just people you've had on your phone for years! 737 00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,443 Yeah, I know! I know. 738 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,329 I know how she operated. 739 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,371 Look, she ruined people's lives. 740 00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,568 I tell you, this bloke I know... 741 00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,803 I asked her to just let me go and she wouldn't, and I begged her! 742 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:12,571 And I didn't mean to kill her. 743 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,643 Well, I didn't go in there to kill her, it just... 744 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,284 And so I did this ridiculous thing to her. 745 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:27,721 Hideous. 746 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,244 And God knows... 747 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,004 That's not me. That's not what I'm like. I'm not. 748 00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:34,684 I'm not a monster, I never have been. 749 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:35,761 John. 750 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,366 You come any closer, I'll take you with me! 751 00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,362 You were blackmailed. It was provocation. 752 00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:44,121 That's mitigating circumstances. 753 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,920 And it sounds to me like manslaughter. It's 10 years, less. 754 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,001 And you and me both know you could be out. 755 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:53,923 Yeah, but I'll never work again. 756 00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:56,046 Have you got children? 757 00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:57,281 Oh! 758 00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,408 - No, I'm sorry. I am sorry. - Shut up! 759 00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,608 Sorry. Sorry. 760 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:03,961 I've... 761 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,685 I've not done any negotiating courses. Have you? 762 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:14,521 Yeah. 763 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,002 Suicide intervention training. 764 00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:20,361 So... 765 00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,444 So, what should I be saying to you? 766 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,809 Well, you should be telling me 767 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,530 that you're here to make sure I get out of this alive. 768 00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,809 Yeah, well, I am. I am here for that. 769 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,408 You should use my name a lot. 770 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,130 Okay. John. 771 00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:42,129 You've got to be assertive. 772 00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:43,844 Reassuring. 773 00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:45,724 Empathetic and kind. 774 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,684 And you've got to listen. You've got to be a good listener. 775 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,730 And you tell them that even though they can't see a way forward, you can. 776 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:58,721 And that in 24 hours' time, it'll all seem very different 777 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,325 to what it might look like now. 778 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,405 But you see, it won't. 779 00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:04,969 This can only get worse. 780 00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:09,005 How many people have you talked down over the years, John? 781 00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:10,286 Seventeen. 782 00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:11,601 Wow. 783 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,887 And I never lost one. Not one. 784 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,846 One lad jumped before I got there, but apart from him. 785 00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:20,245 So, what you gonna do? 786 00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,640 Mess my record up before I've even started? 787 00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:31,009 You take your time, and I'll just... I'll just stand here. Okay? 788 00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,651 I'm not going anywhere. All right? 789 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,207 I'll just listen. Or I'll talk. Whichever you prefer. 790 00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:37,964 You tell me, John. 791 00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,050 I love my kids. 792 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:46,801 Yeah. 793 00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:55,681 Oh! 794 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,962 I really need an ETA on the ambulance. Thank you. 795 00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,284 - Y'all right, Sarg? - Yeah. 796 00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,647 There but for the grace of God. 797 00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:56,761 Really? 798 00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,047 He stuck a broken bottle inside her and then prayed to God 799 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,327 someone else'd get copped for it. 800 00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:06,041 That isn't what I said to him, by the way. I did try and talk him down. 801 00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,170 I'm pleased to hear it. 802 00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:12,451 You all right? 803 00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,243 I thought I'd got through to him. I thought he was stepping down. 804 00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,082 Then he just went limp. And this odd look came over his face. 805 00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:29,688 He said, "I love my kids." 806 00:50:33,720 --> 00:50:36,087 What a shit week! 807 00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:40,366 Sorry. 808 00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,482 I've had some more information through from the DIU. 809 00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,325 About some of Tommy Lee Royce's other visitors. 810 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:51,720 Oh, yeah? 811 00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,882 Interesting reading. 812 00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,243 And I've had a message from the prison liaison service as well. 813 00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,727 It's all right, son, sit down. 814 00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,244 It's bad news, I'm afraid. 815 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,800 Pending an inquiry into some of the people who visit you, 816 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,690 it's been decided by the Wing Supervisor, and others 817 00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:20,845 that your visits and your phone calls will be suspended for a while as of now. 818 00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:22,326 Why? 819 00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,450 That's all I can tell you. 820 00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,206 Suspended? What? Everyone who visits me? 821 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,130 - As I've explained. - Phone calls? 822 00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:35,326 - Yeah. - Why? 823 00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,205 I've told you everything I can. 824 00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:40,160 Calm down. 825 00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:41,446 Don't do that, Tommy. 826 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:42,601 You fucking bastard! 827 00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,728 - Calm down. - Fucking bastard! 828 00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,248 - Hello, Frances. - What do you want? 829 00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,445 These are some of Tommy Lee Royce's other visitors. 830 00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,328 That one, Gina Flynn, 831 00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,327 she's a 45-year-old accountant from Warwick. 832 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,083 Turns out he's engaged to her as well as you. 833 00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,607 And that one, Justine Niewinski, she's from Essex. 834 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,123 A student. Major in politics. She's 23. 835 00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:35,690 He's engaged to her as well. 836 00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,646 And that one, Lena Dixon, fitness instructor from Leicestershire. 837 00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:43,524 Also engaged to him. 838 00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,362 You take care of yourself. Okay? 839 00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:02,081 Hiya. 840 00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:03,646 Hi, Sarg. 841 00:53:03,720 --> 00:53:06,246 Do you wanna go get yourself a cup of tea? 842 00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:15,845 Hello, Alison. 843 00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:28,131 How are you? 844 00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,002 I can't begin to imagine how you must feel. 845 00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,965 But I just wanted to tell you 846 00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,889 that I had a daughter. 847 00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:53,246 That died. 848 00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:56,251 She was 18. 849 00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,885 And I know it's not the same, but it's all I've got 850 00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,443 to relate it to. 851 00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,721 And I just wanted to say 852 00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,247 won't be short of someone to talk to 853 00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:16,684 if you want to. 854 00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:20,129 You know where I am. 855 00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,000 That's my number. 856 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:29,570 You can always ring me. 857 00:54:53,720 --> 00:54:55,449 There's your post, sweet cheeks. 858 00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,161 You okay? 859 00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,644 It was odd the other day talking to Alison in the hospital. 860 00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:15,641 Why? 861 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,843 She told me her story. 862 00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:21,881 You know... 863 00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,249 Yet another everyday story of country folk. 864 00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:31,807 Her dad. 865 00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,684 He interfered with her. 866 00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,811 Daryl was his son, not his grandson. 867 00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:42,641 Jesus. 868 00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,684 She brought up this kid, this child, 869 00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:52,724 this aberration 870 00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,882 that she loved and hated 871 00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,161 because what else could she do. 872 00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,281 And she was terrified of him finding out, 873 00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,167 so she tried to stop him bothering with the local lads. 874 00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:10,685 So, they picked on him. 875 00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,604 And they knew anyway. They knew something. Somehow. 876 00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,571 So, they became like outcasts, 877 00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:20,491 pariahs. 878 00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,568 Something to poke fun at. 879 00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,322 I said, "Did he ever know?" 880 00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,930 And she said she thought he'd worked it out. 881 00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,967 Although they never talked about it. 882 00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,130 She said, "Because I never had the language." 883 00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:50,765 And I thought, "Yeah. 884 00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:55,166 "I know." 885 00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,208 - Can we get a dog? - No. 886 00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:10,611 Why? 887 00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:12,444 Because you wouldn't look after it. 888 00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:16,525 No, I would. I will. I'll walk it and feed it and everything. 889 00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:18,648 Yeah, for the first week. 890 00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:22,441 - So, I was thinking maybe a Rottweiler. - Oh, are you? 891 00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,607 - An Alsatian then. - An orangutan. 892 00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:26,806 Perfect. 893 00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,121 - Okay, a Doberman. - Yeah, right. 894 00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:31,850 - A Great Dane. - Nope. 895 00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:35,129 A Siberian husky. A St Bernard! 896 00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,164 Is that a yes? 897 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,364 - Why can't you get something smaller? - Like a pit bull? 898 00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:41,851 No, like a goldfish. 899 00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,400 Fish are rubbish! You can't talk to a fish! 900 00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,282 I need something with some more personality. 901 00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:49,930 Granny. Granny. 902 00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,651 I'd get him a dog just to shut him up if I was you, Mother.