00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,162 WWW.MY-SUBS.COM 1 00:01:20,561 --> 00:01:23,596 Mike. 2 00:01:25,433 --> 00:01:29,485 - Hey. - Hey. 3 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,103 Thanks for coming. 4 00:01:31,105 --> 00:01:34,740 Oh, yeah, of course. 5 00:01:39,175 --> 00:01:41,976 I'm just parked across the street, so... 6 00:01:42,011 --> 00:01:45,413 Okay. I... I was just gonna hit the... 7 00:01:45,511 --> 00:01:48,145 Yeah, sure. I'll meet you out front. 8 00:01:48,180 --> 00:01:49,897 Okay. 9 00:02:07,187 --> 00:02:11,023 Janitor. Anybody here? 10 00:03:46,374 --> 00:03:50,274 Synced and corrected by oykubuyuk www.MY-SUBS.com 11 00:04:00,228 --> 00:04:01,811 Higher! 12 00:04:01,813 --> 00:04:04,447 Higher? Okay, you asked for it. 13 00:04:06,735 --> 00:04:09,903 Oh, sweetheart. All right. Come on down. 14 00:04:09,955 --> 00:04:11,821 - Pop-pop's getting tired. - Aw. 15 00:04:11,857 --> 00:04:13,239 Don't "aw" me. 16 00:04:13,291 --> 00:04:16,659 You take a little break... little break. 17 00:04:16,661 --> 00:04:18,661 Go on. 18 00:04:23,418 --> 00:04:27,253 - A good kid. - Yeah, she is. 19 00:04:29,925 --> 00:04:34,511 So, how do you like it... Out west? 20 00:04:34,513 --> 00:04:37,147 I like it. Wide-open spaces. 21 00:04:37,182 --> 00:04:38,982 Yeah. 22 00:04:39,017 --> 00:04:41,184 Mm. Different, anyway. 23 00:04:41,186 --> 00:04:44,404 Yeah. 24 00:04:44,439 --> 00:04:45,772 How you doing? 25 00:04:45,824 --> 00:04:50,193 I'm... yeah, I'm okay, you know? 26 00:04:50,195 --> 00:04:53,413 Adjusting. 27 00:04:53,448 --> 00:04:55,031 And Kaylee? 28 00:04:55,033 --> 00:04:59,452 Yeah, she's settling in. 29 00:04:59,504 --> 00:05:02,288 She still asks about him... 30 00:05:02,340 --> 00:05:05,125 "Where is daddy?" 31 00:05:05,177 --> 00:05:06,876 She just misses him. 32 00:05:06,878 --> 00:05:10,380 Yeah. 33 00:05:12,184 --> 00:05:14,350 How long you in town for, Mike? 34 00:05:14,386 --> 00:05:16,770 I'm here... 35 00:05:16,805 --> 00:05:18,605 For the duration, indefinitely. 36 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:23,026 I'm, uh... I'm better. 37 00:05:23,061 --> 00:05:25,145 And I'm sorry it took me so long. 38 00:05:25,197 --> 00:05:29,449 But I'm not like I was. I'm back. I'm solid. 39 00:05:29,484 --> 00:05:34,988 I want to be here for you, for Kaylee, for my family. 40 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,208 That's good. I'm glad to hear you're better. 41 00:05:40,879 --> 00:05:42,712 What? 42 00:05:42,747 --> 00:05:45,715 What is it, honey? 43 00:05:45,750 --> 00:05:47,300 Mike, I got to ask... 44 00:05:47,335 --> 00:05:52,505 I mean... I know I just need to move on from this, 45 00:05:52,557 --> 00:05:56,142 but I keep thinking about something. 46 00:05:56,178 --> 00:05:57,343 About what? 47 00:05:57,395 --> 00:05:59,179 How, before Matty died, 48 00:05:59,231 --> 00:06:04,601 like, for a few weeks there, he was... Different. 49 00:06:04,603 --> 00:06:07,604 Different how? 50 00:06:07,606 --> 00:06:09,823 Different... I don't know. 51 00:06:09,858 --> 00:06:11,508 Moody, you know? 52 00:06:11,543 --> 00:06:15,328 He barely ate. H... He wasn't sleeping. 53 00:06:15,363 --> 00:06:18,331 He snapped at me about the stupidest things. 54 00:06:18,366 --> 00:06:20,750 I started to think something's up at work 55 00:06:20,785 --> 00:06:22,752 or... or someone's sick, something like that, 56 00:06:22,787 --> 00:06:25,788 but he wouldn't talk to me. He clammed right up. 57 00:06:25,790 --> 00:06:29,876 Cops aren't real touchy-feely. You know that. 58 00:06:29,928 --> 00:06:32,295 No. 59 00:06:32,297 --> 00:06:34,297 They're not. No. 60 00:06:34,299 --> 00:06:38,718 But this wasn't the normal "tough guys don't cry" crap. 61 00:06:38,770 --> 00:06:39,936 This was more. 62 00:06:39,971 --> 00:06:42,772 I mean... Did you notice? 63 00:06:42,807 --> 00:06:44,190 I mean, did you feel 64 00:06:44,226 --> 00:06:46,192 anything like that from him? 65 00:06:46,228 --> 00:06:49,195 I don't... as far as I remember, he seemed okay. 66 00:06:49,231 --> 00:06:51,114 He seemed okay to me. 67 00:06:51,149 --> 00:06:54,734 Well, I started to think... I'm... 68 00:06:54,786 --> 00:06:57,737 I don't know. I didn't know what to think. 69 00:06:57,789 --> 00:07:00,156 But then... Three days 70 00:07:00,158 --> 00:07:01,991 or... or four... I don't remember... 71 00:07:01,993 --> 00:07:04,711 But before he died, there was this phone call. 72 00:07:04,746 --> 00:07:08,464 2:30 in the morning, I wake up, and Matty's not in bed. 73 00:07:08,500 --> 00:07:10,884 And I hear him. He's talking downstairs. 74 00:07:10,919 --> 00:07:14,087 So... I go to listen on the stairs, 75 00:07:14,139 --> 00:07:16,723 where he couldn't see. 76 00:07:16,758 --> 00:07:19,259 He gets intense. 77 00:07:19,311 --> 00:07:20,977 Like, he'd be screaming 78 00:07:21,012 --> 00:07:23,596 if he wasn't whispering, you know? 79 00:07:23,648 --> 00:07:26,432 Matty didn't get worked up. He'd let things go. 80 00:07:26,484 --> 00:07:30,069 But... but this... I mean, he was angry. 81 00:07:30,105 --> 00:07:32,906 He was really angry. 82 00:07:32,941 --> 00:07:35,158 What was he saying? 83 00:07:35,193 --> 00:07:39,362 I couldn't make it out. It was something about... 84 00:07:39,364 --> 00:07:41,364 I don't know. I couldn't hear it. 85 00:07:43,201 --> 00:07:45,034 But the next morning, I called him out... 86 00:07:45,036 --> 00:07:47,670 "What the hell was that about? What's going on?" 87 00:07:47,706 --> 00:07:50,623 And he wouldn't talk to me. 88 00:07:50,675 --> 00:07:54,043 But I think... 89 00:07:54,045 --> 00:07:56,629 I think he was talking to you. 90 00:07:56,681 --> 00:07:59,048 Me? 91 00:07:59,050 --> 00:08:01,684 I mean, who else? 92 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:02,852 Huh? 93 00:08:02,887 --> 00:08:05,471 For one hot second, 94 00:08:05,523 --> 00:08:07,307 I thought maybe he was catting around... 95 00:08:07,359 --> 00:08:08,808 No, he wouldn't do that. 96 00:08:08,860 --> 00:08:11,194 No, I know. I know that. But you... 97 00:08:11,660 --> 00:08:14,028 He knew he could call you anytime he had a problem. 98 00:08:14,064 --> 00:08:16,031 You were thick as thieves, the two of you. 99 00:08:16,066 --> 00:08:18,033 And there was something in his voice. 100 00:08:18,068 --> 00:08:21,653 It was... How he was talking. 101 00:08:21,705 --> 00:08:24,039 It makes me think it was you. 102 00:08:24,074 --> 00:08:26,658 Stace, I don't think it was. 103 00:08:26,710 --> 00:08:29,878 I can't recall any late-night heart-to-hearts with him, 104 00:08:29,913 --> 00:08:31,546 not around then. 105 00:08:31,582 --> 00:08:35,500 Maybe it was a C.I. or a case. 106 00:08:35,552 --> 00:08:37,719 Listen. 107 00:08:37,754 --> 00:08:40,922 I know what you're doing... replaying it over and over, 108 00:08:40,924 --> 00:08:43,141 thinking, "if I'd noticed this or changed that", 109 00:08:43,177 --> 00:08:45,760 maybe I could have done something." 110 00:08:45,762 --> 00:08:48,980 You don't think I haven't had those thoughts? I do. 111 00:08:50,434 --> 00:08:53,268 Every day. 112 00:08:53,270 --> 00:08:56,538 You got to quit beating yourself up like this. 113 00:08:59,209 --> 00:09:02,010 Matty's gone. 114 00:09:02,045 --> 00:09:05,046 That's really all there is to it. 115 00:09:10,220 --> 00:09:12,220 Yeah. 116 00:09:14,124 --> 00:09:16,558 I guess that's that. 117 00:09:20,797 --> 00:09:22,631 It's getting on. 118 00:09:22,633 --> 00:09:28,270 I got to... Get Kaylee her dinner and put her to bed. 119 00:09:28,305 --> 00:09:29,971 Uh, yeah. 120 00:09:32,309 --> 00:09:35,727 Okay. 121 00:09:35,779 --> 00:09:37,562 Well, if you want me to drop by 122 00:09:37,614 --> 00:09:40,565 and keep an eye on her, I... 123 00:09:40,617 --> 00:09:42,234 I want to help. 124 00:09:52,496 --> 00:09:54,329 See you around. 125 00:10:27,698 --> 00:10:30,615 Where to? 126 00:10:30,667 --> 00:10:33,034 "Francisco." 127 00:10:33,036 --> 00:10:34,252 Yeah. 128 00:10:34,288 --> 00:10:35,670 You know this town? 129 00:10:35,706 --> 00:10:37,088 Yeah, sure. 130 00:10:37,124 --> 00:10:38,540 How well? 131 00:10:41,044 --> 00:10:44,262 You sew this up yourself? 132 00:10:44,298 --> 00:10:46,798 Not bad. 133 00:10:46,850 --> 00:10:48,433 Bet there's a story there. 134 00:10:48,468 --> 00:10:51,436 - Isn't there always? - Yeah. 135 00:10:51,471 --> 00:10:54,639 All right. Little sting here. 136 00:10:54,691 --> 00:10:58,026 Okay. That ought to do it. 137 00:10:58,061 --> 00:10:59,444 Now... 138 00:11:00,864 --> 00:11:02,814 You're gonna want to take it easy. 139 00:11:02,866 --> 00:11:04,816 Keep it clean. 140 00:11:04,868 --> 00:11:07,452 Keep it dry. Let it heal. 141 00:11:07,487 --> 00:11:10,572 There's a Walgreens a couple blocks over on Louisiana. 142 00:11:10,574 --> 00:11:12,407 Maybe go get yourself a sling. 143 00:11:12,409 --> 00:11:14,042 You don't have one? 144 00:11:14,077 --> 00:11:15,877 Sorry. 145 00:11:15,912 --> 00:11:17,462 Got a cone you can put around your neck. 146 00:11:17,497 --> 00:11:18,496 Yeah. 147 00:11:18,548 --> 00:11:21,916 It's about the same, right? 148 00:11:21,918 --> 00:11:24,336 So, it's gonna be $500? 149 00:11:24,388 --> 00:11:25,754 $500. 150 00:11:25,756 --> 00:11:29,758 I can, uh, throw some pills in for the pain. 151 00:11:31,428 --> 00:11:33,061 This stuff's essentially Vicodin. 152 00:11:33,096 --> 00:11:35,063 I can give it to you for $25 a pill... 153 00:11:35,098 --> 00:11:37,482 maybe drop the price to $15 154 00:11:37,517 --> 00:11:39,985 for something a little less human-centric. 155 00:11:40,020 --> 00:11:43,188 I'm an aspirin man. 156 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:47,025 Tell you what... take a couple on the house. 157 00:11:47,077 --> 00:11:49,277 In case you change your mind. 158 00:11:51,581 --> 00:11:52,947 You new in town? 159 00:11:52,949 --> 00:11:55,583 Yeah. 160 00:11:55,619 --> 00:11:57,686 Passing through or sticking around? 161 00:11:57,721 --> 00:11:59,888 Why? 162 00:11:59,923 --> 00:12:01,623 No reason. 163 00:12:01,625 --> 00:12:06,628 It's just, if you're relocating to the land of enchantment, 164 00:12:06,630 --> 00:12:09,464 I know people. 165 00:12:09,466 --> 00:12:11,049 I could get you some work. 166 00:12:11,101 --> 00:12:14,469 I am not looking for that kind of work, 167 00:12:14,471 --> 00:12:19,474 but... ohh... thanks. 168 00:12:22,729 --> 00:12:25,313 Don't know why it has to be this way. 169 00:12:25,315 --> 00:12:28,533 Could have been friendly. Could have talked in your house. 170 00:12:28,568 --> 00:12:30,952 You really want the formal treatment? 171 00:12:30,987 --> 00:12:32,370 Lawyer. 172 00:12:32,406 --> 00:12:34,572 Come on, Mike. 173 00:12:34,624 --> 00:12:36,207 It's just a couple of questions. 174 00:12:36,243 --> 00:12:39,044 Uh, ain't nothing but a thing. 175 00:12:39,079 --> 00:12:40,662 Lawyer. 176 00:12:40,664 --> 00:12:42,747 You're not under arrest. 177 00:12:42,799 --> 00:12:44,382 Okay, did anybody here say "arrest"? No. 178 00:12:44,418 --> 00:12:46,084 You want to walk, walk. 179 00:12:46,136 --> 00:12:47,919 I got to say, I, uh, expected 180 00:12:47,971 --> 00:12:51,172 more cooperation from you on this, cop to cop. 181 00:12:51,174 --> 00:12:54,642 Lawyer. 182 00:13:02,269 --> 00:13:05,687 Fine. What lawyer? 183 00:13:14,568 --> 00:13:16,952 Ehrmantraut... Who's got him and where? 184 00:13:16,987 --> 00:13:19,755 That way. 185 00:13:19,790 --> 00:13:21,757 Hey, fellas. How you doing? 186 00:13:21,890 --> 00:13:25,692 James McGill... here to see my client. 187 00:13:25,728 --> 00:13:27,444 What? 188 00:13:27,479 --> 00:13:30,147 - You look like Matlock. - Uh, no, 189 00:13:30,199 --> 00:13:33,367 I look like a young Paul Newman dressed as Matlock. 190 00:13:33,402 --> 00:13:34,952 Where's my guy? 191 00:13:36,872 --> 00:13:40,040 Say hello to Barney Fife. 192 00:13:40,075 --> 00:13:44,044 Wrong show, but thanks for playing. 193 00:13:46,248 --> 00:13:47,631 So, what happened... 194 00:13:47,666 --> 00:13:50,500 the mayor didn't give you enough stickers? 195 00:13:52,388 --> 00:13:54,972 You want to tell me what we're doing here? 196 00:13:55,007 --> 00:13:56,974 Oh, here's your coffee. 197 00:13:57,009 --> 00:13:59,810 Uh, hope it's good to the last drop, 198 00:13:59,845 --> 00:14:02,012 'cause I'm billing you the full hour for it. 199 00:14:02,064 --> 00:14:03,430 That's for you. 200 00:14:03,432 --> 00:14:06,066 Oh. That's very thoughtful. 201 00:14:07,519 --> 00:14:09,903 You serious? 202 00:14:09,938 --> 00:14:11,321 Why did you have me bring it to you? 203 00:14:11,357 --> 00:14:13,156 All right, here's what's gonna happen. 204 00:14:13,192 --> 00:14:15,776 Those two cops out there are from Philadelphia. 205 00:14:15,778 --> 00:14:17,577 They've come a long way to see me. 206 00:14:17,613 --> 00:14:19,997 When they come in here, we're all gonna have a little chat. 207 00:14:20,032 --> 00:14:20,815 And when it's over, 208 00:14:20,817 --> 00:14:23,667 the young one, who's been writing in his little notebook, 209 00:14:23,702 --> 00:14:25,669 he's gonna take it and put it in his jacket. 210 00:14:25,704 --> 00:14:27,287 And when he does that, 211 00:14:27,289 --> 00:14:30,957 I want you to take that coffee and spill it on him... 212 00:14:30,959 --> 00:14:33,377 Little accident, that's all. 213 00:14:33,429 --> 00:14:36,447 - And why, pray tell, would I do that? - Because I'm asking you to. 214 00:14:36,528 --> 00:14:38,666 It's the only reason you're here. 215 00:14:38,681 --> 00:14:40,898 So I'm here because you want me to assault a police officer. 216 00:14:40,933 --> 00:14:44,902 I am asking you to take a few ounces of lukewarm coffee 217 00:14:44,937 --> 00:14:46,353 and spill it on him. 218 00:14:46,355 --> 00:14:49,773 I doubt that satisfies the definition of "assault," 219 00:14:49,825 --> 00:14:53,193 but, hey, you're the lawyer. 220 00:14:53,195 --> 00:14:55,195 Right. How silly of me. 221 00:14:55,197 --> 00:14:57,031 All you want is for me to aid and abet 222 00:14:57,033 --> 00:14:58,749 you ripping off that guy's notepad, 223 00:14:58,784 --> 00:15:00,834 'cause that's what you're doing here, right? 224 00:15:00,870 --> 00:15:02,836 Huh? What... Are you nuts? 225 00:15:02,872 --> 00:15:04,371 You can't be serious. 226 00:15:04,771 --> 00:15:07,989 Hey, I hate to remind you of this, but you owe me one. 227 00:15:08,025 --> 00:15:10,608 The assist I gave you with the missing-persons problem... 228 00:15:10,610 --> 00:15:12,243 one good turn and so forth? 229 00:15:12,279 --> 00:15:14,863 You want a good turn? Here's your good turn, okay? 230 00:15:14,915 --> 00:15:16,581 I'm gonna behave 231 00:15:16,616 --> 00:15:20,001 like an honest-to-God, law-abiding, licensed attorney, 232 00:15:20,037 --> 00:15:21,920 'cause, clearly, you need one 233 00:15:21,955 --> 00:15:23,421 with whatever the hell is going on here. 234 00:15:23,457 --> 00:15:25,173 Now, those two jokers out in the hallway... 235 00:15:25,208 --> 00:15:27,542 I'm gonna make sure they dot their I's and cross their t's... 236 00:15:27,594 --> 00:15:29,961 everything square and above board. 237 00:15:29,963 --> 00:15:31,379 That's what I'm gonna do, 238 00:15:31,431 --> 00:15:34,015 and you're gonna be happy as hell that I'm here. 239 00:15:34,051 --> 00:15:38,269 But this little Juan Valdez bump-and-dump... no. 240 00:15:38,305 --> 00:15:39,888 Not gonna happen. 241 00:15:41,558 --> 00:15:44,526 Hey, gentlemen, we're prepared to indulge you. 242 00:15:46,146 --> 00:15:49,698 Detective Escalara will be sitting in with us, 243 00:15:49,733 --> 00:15:52,534 as per APD policy. Okay with you, right? 244 00:15:52,569 --> 00:15:54,152 Fine with me. 245 00:15:54,154 --> 00:15:56,154 Okay. 246 00:15:56,156 --> 00:15:58,123 You got your lawyer, Mike. Can we talk already? 247 00:15:58,158 --> 00:16:01,576 Great. So, like we said, 248 00:16:01,628 --> 00:16:04,079 we're here looking into this Hoffman and Fensky thing. 249 00:16:04,131 --> 00:16:06,631 Yeah, and whatever you can tell us... anything at all. 250 00:16:06,666 --> 00:16:07,832 Uh, hold on. Hold on. 251 00:16:07,834 --> 00:16:10,468 "Hoffman." "Fensky." 252 00:16:10,504 --> 00:16:12,670 Fill me in. 253 00:16:12,672 --> 00:16:14,889 Assume I know absolutely nothing 254 00:16:14,925 --> 00:16:16,307 about my client here, all right? 255 00:16:16,343 --> 00:16:18,560 - Start at the beginning. - Jesus. Seriously? 256 00:16:18,595 --> 00:16:21,396 Look, don't let Mr. Ehrmantraut's dancing eyes 257 00:16:21,431 --> 00:16:24,399 and bubbly, bon vivant personality fool you. 258 00:16:24,434 --> 00:16:28,269 He's actually... believe it or not... somewhat taciturn. 259 00:16:28,321 --> 00:16:31,940 Shall I fan you gently, so you don't go into shock? 260 00:16:31,992 --> 00:16:36,444 Start at the beginning, okay? We're talking Book of Genesis. 261 00:16:36,496 --> 00:16:38,446 Okay, Mr. McGill, as you probably gathered, 262 00:16:38,498 --> 00:16:40,281 we, Detective Sanders and I... 263 00:16:40,333 --> 00:16:42,283 work for the Philadelphia Police Department, 264 00:16:42,335 --> 00:16:44,786 as did Mr. Ehrmantraut for nearly 30 years. 265 00:16:44,838 --> 00:16:47,622 Philadelphia? Go, Eagles. 266 00:16:47,674 --> 00:16:49,624 Mr. Ehrmantraut had a son, Matt. 267 00:16:49,676 --> 00:16:51,459 He, too, was with Philly P.D. 268 00:16:51,511 --> 00:16:54,095 He was a rookie officer with about two years on the job. 269 00:16:54,131 --> 00:16:56,965 - He was a good cop. - Yes, he was. 270 00:16:57,017 --> 00:16:59,184 About nine months ago, he responded 271 00:16:59,219 --> 00:17:02,604 to a shots-fired call in some West Side rattrap. 272 00:17:02,639 --> 00:17:05,223 Matt went in with his partner, officer Troy Hoffman. 273 00:17:05,225 --> 00:17:08,443 They had Sergeant Jack Fensky backing them up. 274 00:17:08,478 --> 00:17:10,278 Unfortunately, things got out of hand. 275 00:17:10,313 --> 00:17:11,896 The three of them were ambushed, 276 00:17:11,898 --> 00:17:14,315 and, uh, Matt didn't make it out. 277 00:17:14,367 --> 00:17:16,151 Hoffman and Fensky returned fire, 278 00:17:16,203 --> 00:17:17,652 but the shooter got away. 279 00:17:17,704 --> 00:17:20,488 We chased a few leads, shook up the usual suspects... 280 00:17:20,540 --> 00:17:22,323 came up short. 281 00:17:22,375 --> 00:17:26,661 I'm very sorry to hear it. 282 00:17:26,713 --> 00:17:28,496 Anyways, we kept beating the bushes, 283 00:17:28,548 --> 00:17:31,499 kept coming up dry until three months ago. 284 00:17:31,551 --> 00:17:33,718 That's when Hoffman and Fensky both turned up dead 285 00:17:33,753 --> 00:17:35,587 in a vacant lot out in nicetown... 286 00:17:35,589 --> 00:17:38,423 Again, an ambush of some kind, it looks like. 287 00:17:38,425 --> 00:17:40,258 And with whoever killed Matt out there in the wind, 288 00:17:40,260 --> 00:17:42,677 we're thinking... Well, it's our operating theory 289 00:17:42,729 --> 00:17:45,096 that Hoffman and Fensky were mixed up in something, 290 00:17:45,098 --> 00:17:49,100 some bad business, and maybe that got Matt killed. 291 00:17:49,102 --> 00:17:51,519 Yeah, sorry. I got to do my lawyer thing here. 292 00:17:51,571 --> 00:17:54,355 Uh, what does my client have to do with any of this? 293 00:17:54,407 --> 00:17:56,774 Uh, Mike, this is a Hail Mary. 294 00:17:56,776 --> 00:17:59,077 Uh, beyond that. 295 00:17:59,112 --> 00:18:01,079 I mean, if we had any hard evidence or leads, 296 00:18:01,114 --> 00:18:02,447 we wouldn't be out here. 297 00:18:02,449 --> 00:18:04,666 Now, there's anything you can tell us 298 00:18:04,701 --> 00:18:07,118 about what Hoffman and Fensky were into? 299 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:08,453 Yeah, help us out, Mike. 300 00:18:08,455 --> 00:18:10,538 Help us catch the bastard who killed Matty. 301 00:18:14,044 --> 00:18:16,628 I don't know much about Hoffman and Fensky. 302 00:18:16,630 --> 00:18:20,048 They were Matt's people. I'd see them around sometimes. 303 00:18:20,100 --> 00:18:22,300 I saw them in a bar the night they died. 304 00:18:22,302 --> 00:18:23,718 It was McClure's... 305 00:18:23,770 --> 00:18:27,138 maybe the Red Dog... Probably McClure's. 306 00:18:27,140 --> 00:18:29,140 Were they drinking with anyone? 307 00:18:29,142 --> 00:18:30,558 It's a cop bar. 308 00:18:30,610 --> 00:18:32,060 They were drinking with everyone. 309 00:18:32,112 --> 00:18:33,695 Yeah, but did you see them with anyone in particular? 310 00:18:33,730 --> 00:18:36,314 I couldn't tell you. I was... 311 00:18:36,316 --> 00:18:38,483 You know how I was. 312 00:18:38,485 --> 00:18:40,702 How you doing these days? 313 00:18:40,737 --> 00:18:43,121 Feeling like I crawled out from the bottom of a bottle 314 00:18:43,156 --> 00:18:45,540 and working hard to stay there. 315 00:18:45,575 --> 00:18:47,742 Although I've got to say... 316 00:18:47,794 --> 00:18:51,079 doesn't help much, dredging up the past like this. 317 00:18:51,131 --> 00:18:52,914 Let me ask you, 318 00:18:52,966 --> 00:18:56,134 uh, when did you come out here to Albuquerque? 319 00:18:56,169 --> 00:18:58,970 It couldn't have been, uh, too much later. 320 00:18:59,005 --> 00:19:00,722 I think it was the very next day. 321 00:19:00,757 --> 00:19:04,559 Yeah? The day after Hoffman and Fensky died, huh? 322 00:19:04,594 --> 00:19:05,894 You didn't think 323 00:19:05,929 --> 00:19:08,313 to, uh, stick around once you heard the news? 324 00:19:08,348 --> 00:19:11,516 I don't think I heard the news till I was west of Kansas City. 325 00:19:11,518 --> 00:19:12,901 Still, you, uh... 326 00:19:12,936 --> 00:19:14,736 you didn't come back for the funerals, correct, 327 00:19:14,771 --> 00:19:16,738 even though Hoffman was Matt's partner? 328 00:19:16,773 --> 00:19:20,742 Uh, do you remember anything about that night at the bar? 329 00:19:20,777 --> 00:19:23,111 Uh, did you talk to Hoffman or Fensky at all? 330 00:19:23,163 --> 00:19:27,332 Sorry. I got nothing. They weren't my people. 331 00:19:27,367 --> 00:19:29,534 I'm sorry you guys took a flier on me. 332 00:19:29,536 --> 00:19:30,952 I wish it'd have paid off. 333 00:19:31,004 --> 00:19:34,372 That it? We done here? 334 00:19:34,374 --> 00:19:36,341 We're done here, yeah. 335 00:19:36,376 --> 00:19:38,176 Hey, that wasn't so hard, huh? 336 00:19:38,211 --> 00:19:39,177 Thanks, Mike. Yeah. 337 00:19:39,212 --> 00:19:40,628 Listen, we're probably 338 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,046 gonna kick around for another couple of days, 339 00:19:42,048 --> 00:19:43,881 in case you think of something, all right? 340 00:19:43,883 --> 00:19:46,884 You know, I've never been out west before. 341 00:19:47,887 --> 00:19:49,304 Oh, hey. 342 00:19:49,356 --> 00:19:50,939 Oh! Oh, shit! 343 00:19:50,974 --> 00:19:52,640 Jesus. Sorry. Sorry. Come on! 344 00:19:52,692 --> 00:19:53,891 Here. I can get most of it. You got any paper towels? 345 00:19:53,893 --> 00:19:55,310 You know what? Hey, hey. I-I got it. 346 00:19:55,362 --> 00:19:56,728 - I got it. Thank you. - Sorry. 347 00:20:16,883 --> 00:20:18,499 Oh, for the love of... 348 00:20:18,551 --> 00:20:22,337 You got to do that right here, right in front of me? 349 00:20:22,389 --> 00:20:24,339 What's so important in there that we had to pull 350 00:20:24,391 --> 00:20:27,342 that third-rate Marx Brothers routine? 351 00:20:27,394 --> 00:20:29,594 You really want to know? 352 00:20:29,596 --> 00:20:31,929 And risk getting a piece of an obstruction rap? 353 00:20:31,931 --> 00:20:34,148 No, thank you. 354 00:20:34,184 --> 00:20:36,601 Anything else you want to ask? 355 00:20:38,772 --> 00:20:40,989 How did you know? 356 00:20:41,024 --> 00:20:42,407 Know what? 357 00:20:42,442 --> 00:20:45,843 That... that I would do that, that... 358 00:20:47,530 --> 00:20:52,917 How did you know that I would, uh, spill that coffee? 359 00:20:55,121 --> 00:20:56,954 What the hell's that? 360 00:20:56,956 --> 00:21:01,376 What's that supposed to mean, huh? 361 00:21:01,428 --> 00:21:04,212 Okay, great. You're the strong, silent type. 362 00:21:04,264 --> 00:21:05,430 Hooray for you. 363 00:21:05,465 --> 00:21:07,765 But in case you missed it, 364 00:21:07,801 --> 00:21:09,183 your friends from Philly back there... 365 00:21:09,219 --> 00:21:11,436 they think you killed two cops. 366 00:21:13,556 --> 00:21:16,357 Yep. 367 00:22:11,105 --> 00:22:13,489 Yeah, it's me. 368 00:22:13,524 --> 00:22:15,491 We need to talk. 369 00:22:21,199 --> 00:22:23,666 You call the cops? 370 00:22:23,701 --> 00:22:25,284 What? 371 00:22:25,336 --> 00:22:27,503 Philadelphia P.D. Did you call them? 372 00:22:27,538 --> 00:22:29,705 - Y... yeah, I did. - Why? 373 00:22:29,707 --> 00:22:31,707 Well, I told them I heard about Hoffman and Fensky and... 374 00:22:31,709 --> 00:22:33,542 And what? 375 00:22:33,544 --> 00:22:35,544 And you don't think it's strange? 376 00:22:35,546 --> 00:22:39,932 First Matt, then not six months later, his partner and his sergeant? 377 00:22:39,968 --> 00:22:42,551 Yeah, I called them to help catch Matty's killer. 378 00:22:42,553 --> 00:22:44,553 Mike, what if the same person, 379 00:22:44,555 --> 00:22:46,555 if the... what if the piece of shit who got Matty 380 00:22:46,557 --> 00:22:49,775 - got them, too? - And what exactly did you tell them? 381 00:22:49,811 --> 00:22:51,678 - I told them... - You tell them Matt was dirty... 382 00:22:51,710 --> 00:22:53,159 - Is that what you told them? - I... 383 00:22:53,210 --> 00:22:54,843 How could you possibly think that? 384 00:22:54,878 --> 00:22:56,961 That's your husband, the father of your child. 385 00:22:56,963 --> 00:23:00,215 I didn't say that. I s... I told them I found money. 386 00:23:00,267 --> 00:23:02,550 After Kaylee and I moved here, when I was unpacking, 387 00:23:02,602 --> 00:23:04,969 it was in the lining of an old suitcase. 388 00:23:04,971 --> 00:23:08,390 Matt must have tucked it away in there, 'cause this was cash... 389 00:23:08,442 --> 00:23:12,027 $5,000, $6,000 from God knows where. 390 00:23:12,062 --> 00:23:13,862 I mean, we were basically paycheck to paycheck. 391 00:23:13,897 --> 00:23:15,280 Where the hell did he get it? 392 00:23:15,315 --> 00:23:17,115 Why didn't you ask me? 393 00:23:17,150 --> 00:23:18,733 Why didn't you come to me? 394 00:23:18,785 --> 00:23:20,368 I couldn't. 395 00:23:20,404 --> 00:23:22,287 I knew what it would do to you. 396 00:23:22,322 --> 00:23:23,955 First, he's murdered, 397 00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:25,407 and then for you to think... 398 00:23:25,459 --> 00:23:27,042 I... it would have burned you to the ground. 399 00:23:27,077 --> 00:23:29,461 There would be nothing left. 400 00:23:29,496 --> 00:23:31,796 And you wouldn't talk to me. 401 00:23:31,832 --> 00:23:34,416 Every night, you were drinking yourself unconscious, 402 00:23:34,468 --> 00:23:37,502 like you were the only one who lost him. 403 00:23:37,504 --> 00:23:38,420 Look, I don't care. 404 00:23:38,503 --> 00:23:40,138 He was dirty, he was clean... I don't care. 405 00:23:40,173 --> 00:23:42,090 All I want is for whoever killed Matty 406 00:23:42,142 --> 00:23:44,342 to rot in a cell for the rest of their life, 407 00:23:44,344 --> 00:23:46,061 and then I want whatever's left of them 408 00:23:46,096 --> 00:23:48,063 just dumped in the trash... that's what I want. 409 00:23:48,098 --> 00:23:50,396 I don't care where it leads, what it uncovers. 410 00:23:50,896 --> 00:23:52,897 I mean, what difference would it make 411 00:23:52,996 --> 00:23:55,997 if he was... Anything? 412 00:23:55,999 --> 00:23:57,415 I'd still love him. 413 00:23:57,467 --> 00:23:59,667 I'd still miss him. He'd still be gone. 414 00:23:59,669 --> 00:24:01,719 Matt wasn't dirty. 415 00:24:01,755 --> 00:24:03,921 Well, so be straight with me! 416 00:24:03,973 --> 00:24:05,757 Right now. This is it, Mike. 417 00:24:05,809 --> 00:24:08,342 What was that phone call before he died? 418 00:24:08,344 --> 00:24:09,811 Don't bullshit me. 419 00:24:09,846 --> 00:24:12,897 That was between me and my son. 420 00:24:12,932 --> 00:24:15,066 So you're admitting it was you. 421 00:24:15,101 --> 00:24:16,601 He wasn't dirty! 422 00:24:16,653 --> 00:24:20,822 God damn you! You get that through your head! 423 00:24:20,857 --> 00:24:24,692 My son wasn't dirty! 424 00:27:11,901 --> 00:27:14,318 Just let him cry it all out, okay? 425 00:27:15,988 --> 00:27:17,154 Hey, Mikey. 426 00:27:17,206 --> 00:27:18,989 - Young Hoffman. - Mikey boy. 427 00:27:19,041 --> 00:27:20,824 - What's going on, my brothers? - How you doing? 428 00:27:20,876 --> 00:27:22,910 Brothers, huh? 429 00:27:22,912 --> 00:27:25,329 Good to see you, too. It's been a minute. 430 00:27:25,381 --> 00:27:26,547 Yeah. 431 00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:32,586 I know. I know it was you. 432 00:28:00,655 --> 00:28:02,021 Closing time, Mikey. 433 00:28:02,057 --> 00:28:03,456 Yeah? 434 00:28:03,492 --> 00:28:06,059 Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. 435 00:28:06,094 --> 00:28:07,694 Hey, how about I give you a lift home? 436 00:28:07,729 --> 00:28:10,697 Mnh. 437 00:28:10,732 --> 00:28:12,132 I'm fine. 438 00:28:12,167 --> 00:28:14,334 No, I can't let you drive. Get you a cab? 439 00:28:14,369 --> 00:28:16,736 No, I'm good. I'm good. 440 00:28:16,772 --> 00:28:18,905 Don't worry. 441 00:28:18,940 --> 00:28:22,542 Anyway, I sold my car, so I'm walking. 442 00:28:22,577 --> 00:28:25,378 Thank you. 443 00:28:25,414 --> 00:28:29,999 Albuquerque, New Mexico. 444 00:28:30,051 --> 00:28:32,836 - You ever been? - Nope. 445 00:28:32,888 --> 00:28:37,841 Well... That's where I'm headed. 446 00:28:37,893 --> 00:28:39,342 Tarantulas, they got. 447 00:28:39,394 --> 00:28:41,344 That's a big minus in my book. 448 00:28:41,396 --> 00:28:47,267 Well, I will be on the lookout. 449 00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:48,902 You take care, my friend. 450 00:28:48,937 --> 00:28:50,937 Take care. 451 00:29:24,272 --> 00:29:27,056 Hey, Mike. 452 00:29:27,108 --> 00:29:28,808 Mikey. 453 00:29:32,814 --> 00:29:34,697 You want a ride? 454 00:29:34,733 --> 00:29:37,066 I'm walking. 455 00:29:37,118 --> 00:29:39,953 Pull over here. 456 00:29:47,730 --> 00:29:48,797 What are you doing out here? 457 00:29:48,830 --> 00:29:50,296 Come on. Let us drive you. 458 00:29:50,331 --> 00:29:51,580 It's colder than my ex-wife's tit out here. 459 00:29:51,632 --> 00:29:53,582 Come on. Come on. 460 00:29:53,634 --> 00:29:55,001 I'm walking. 461 00:29:55,003 --> 00:29:56,836 Come on. Don't... don't be an ass. 462 00:29:56,838 --> 00:29:58,254 - Come on. Let us take you home. - Get in the car already. 463 00:29:58,306 --> 00:29:59,472 It's cold out here. 464 00:29:59,507 --> 00:30:01,891 Come on, Mike. Come on. 465 00:30:01,926 --> 00:30:04,927 Come on. 466 00:30:04,979 --> 00:30:06,762 Okay. Easy. 467 00:30:08,099 --> 00:30:09,815 We're gonna have you home in no time. 468 00:30:09,851 --> 00:30:12,485 Oh, God. 469 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,322 Hey. What are you doing? 470 00:30:16,357 --> 00:30:20,526 Hey. Give me that. That's mine. 471 00:30:20,528 --> 00:30:22,528 Later. 472 00:30:22,530 --> 00:30:26,532 We don't want you to shoot your foot off, now, do we? 473 00:30:41,549 --> 00:30:44,267 - Hey, Mikey. - What? 474 00:30:44,348 --> 00:30:45,514 Mikey, you with us? 475 00:30:45,566 --> 00:30:47,516 Why? 476 00:30:47,568 --> 00:30:49,935 You really tied one on good back there, buddy. 477 00:30:49,937 --> 00:30:52,154 Shit, yeah, he did... put it away like they were 478 00:30:52,189 --> 00:30:54,356 fixing to bring back prohibition. 479 00:30:56,027 --> 00:30:57,610 Hey, hey, back at McClure's, 480 00:30:57,612 --> 00:31:00,029 you were talking out your ass, hmm? 481 00:31:00,081 --> 00:31:01,947 "I know it was you." 482 00:31:01,949 --> 00:31:03,916 What's that supposed to mean, huh? 483 00:31:03,951 --> 00:31:06,752 You think you know what? 484 00:31:06,787 --> 00:31:09,171 You got something you want to get off your chest, 485 00:31:09,206 --> 00:31:11,123 something you want to say to us? 486 00:31:11,125 --> 00:31:13,959 You killed him. 487 00:31:15,463 --> 00:31:17,846 You killed Matty. 488 00:31:17,882 --> 00:31:22,468 And you killed him for nothing. 489 00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:25,888 You killed him because you were scared 490 00:31:25,940 --> 00:31:29,108 of what you thought he might do. 491 00:31:29,143 --> 00:31:33,529 You got him in that crack house... 492 00:31:33,564 --> 00:31:37,533 And you staged it... 493 00:31:37,568 --> 00:31:40,486 made it look like a junkie with a gun. 494 00:31:48,496 --> 00:31:52,498 But it was you. 495 00:31:52,500 --> 00:31:55,751 And I know it was you. 496 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,007 And I'm gonna prove it. 497 00:32:35,453 --> 00:32:39,705 Help me get him out of the car. 498 00:32:52,748 --> 00:32:54,482 What? 499 00:32:54,548 --> 00:32:56,965 Come on. There you go. Watch your head. 500 00:32:58,853 --> 00:33:00,636 All right, come on, Mike, huh? 501 00:33:00,688 --> 00:33:03,305 One, two, one, two, buddy. 502 00:33:05,059 --> 00:33:07,893 Now, you wait there one second. 503 00:33:07,895 --> 00:33:10,729 We're gonna work this whole thing out, okay, Mikey? 504 00:33:14,170 --> 00:33:15,153 What do we do now? 505 00:33:15,193 --> 00:33:17,610 Hey. Grief... it's a bitch. 506 00:33:19,447 --> 00:33:22,865 He couldn't live with it... Matt dying the way he did. 507 00:33:22,917 --> 00:33:26,452 It's too much for the old man. So Mikey here decided to eat his gun. 508 00:33:26,454 --> 00:33:29,772 It's tragic, but anyone could see this coming, hmm? 509 00:33:29,776 --> 00:33:31,560 He's drinking himself to death. 510 00:33:31,612 --> 00:33:33,746 We're doing him a favor. 511 00:33:33,835 --> 00:33:36,586 Smart. That's what I would have done if I were you. 512 00:34:26,221 --> 00:34:28,555 Mike, I... 513 00:35:16,605 --> 00:35:20,990 You let some things slide and you look the other way. 514 00:35:21,026 --> 00:35:22,742 You bust a drug dealer 515 00:35:22,777 --> 00:35:27,363 that has more cash than you'll ever earn in a lifetime. 516 00:35:27,415 --> 00:35:32,585 Some of it doesn't make it back into evidence... So what? 517 00:35:32,621 --> 00:35:35,755 You took a taste. So did everyone else. 518 00:35:35,790 --> 00:35:39,208 That's how you knew you were safe. 519 00:35:42,631 --> 00:35:47,266 It's like killing Caesar... Everyone's guilty. 520 00:35:48,970 --> 00:35:50,970 Matt wasn't dirty. 521 00:35:52,893 --> 00:35:54,974 I was. 522 00:35:54,976 --> 00:35:58,394 Everyone was in that precinct. 523 00:35:58,446 --> 00:35:59,979 That's how it worked. 524 00:35:59,981 --> 00:36:05,685 You turn in your buddy, you're screwing yourself. 525 00:36:05,987 --> 00:36:09,656 You go along to get along. 526 00:36:11,826 --> 00:36:14,077 And you went along. 527 00:36:19,501 --> 00:36:22,669 I did. 528 00:36:22,671 --> 00:36:23,836 Yeah. 529 00:36:23,838 --> 00:36:27,056 I did. 530 00:36:27,092 --> 00:36:32,261 Okay. But you said Matt didn't. 531 00:36:32,313 --> 00:36:33,680 No. 532 00:36:33,682 --> 00:36:37,316 Not Matt. 533 00:36:37,352 --> 00:36:41,154 Fensky got to Hoffman early... 534 00:36:41,189 --> 00:36:43,990 kickbacks from some gang or another... 535 00:36:44,025 --> 00:36:46,409 protection, basically. 536 00:36:46,444 --> 00:36:49,245 And Hoffman went to Matty and offered to cut him in. 537 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,864 Only fair, right? They were partners. 538 00:36:53,952 --> 00:36:57,754 And Matt did what you would think... 539 00:36:57,789 --> 00:37:01,174 He agonized. 540 00:37:01,209 --> 00:37:05,595 And then he came to me, wanted to go to the I.A., 541 00:37:05,630 --> 00:37:07,096 do the right thing, shut 'em down. 542 00:37:07,132 --> 00:37:08,381 Oh, my God. And you let him? 543 00:37:08,383 --> 00:37:10,216 That's why he got killed... 544 00:37:10,218 --> 00:37:11,634 'cause he was gonna turn on those guys? 545 00:37:11,686 --> 00:37:15,054 No. No. 546 00:37:15,056 --> 00:37:17,690 I told him... 547 00:37:20,361 --> 00:37:23,446 You know what a cop fears most? 548 00:37:23,481 --> 00:37:27,450 More than getting shot, more than anything? 549 00:37:27,485 --> 00:37:30,453 Prison... 550 00:37:30,488 --> 00:37:32,989 getting locked up with everybody you put away. 551 00:37:33,041 --> 00:37:38,411 You threaten a cop with that, you make him dangerous, 552 00:37:38,413 --> 00:37:40,329 and that's what I told him. 553 00:37:40,381 --> 00:37:44,167 I talked sense. 554 00:37:44,219 --> 00:37:47,003 No one was getting hurt. 555 00:37:47,055 --> 00:37:48,421 But if you go to the I.A., 556 00:37:48,423 --> 00:37:52,642 if you even look like you're going... 557 00:37:52,677 --> 00:37:58,566 He had a wife, a kid, responsibilities. 558 00:38:00,268 --> 00:38:03,903 Take the money. Do something good with it. 559 00:38:06,775 --> 00:38:12,612 Well... I tried. 560 00:38:12,947 --> 00:38:16,332 I tried. 561 00:38:16,367 --> 00:38:18,534 But he wouldn't listen. 562 00:38:20,955 --> 00:38:23,623 My boy was stubborn. 563 00:38:25,460 --> 00:38:28,628 My boy was strong. 564 00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:32,632 And he was gonna get himself killed. 565 00:38:32,634 --> 00:38:36,636 So I told him... 566 00:38:36,638 --> 00:38:39,856 I told him I did it, too, 567 00:38:39,891 --> 00:38:42,692 that I was like Hoffman, getting by, 568 00:38:42,727 --> 00:38:45,394 and that's what you heard that night... 569 00:38:45,446 --> 00:38:47,113 me talking him down, 570 00:38:47,148 --> 00:38:50,650 him kicking and screaming until the fight went out of him. 571 00:38:50,652 --> 00:38:53,319 He put me up on a pedestal... 572 00:38:58,076 --> 00:39:01,460 And I had to show him, 573 00:39:01,496 --> 00:39:05,131 that I was down in the gutter with the rest of them. 574 00:39:08,670 --> 00:39:10,670 Broke my boy. 575 00:39:13,641 --> 00:39:17,593 I broke my boy. 576 00:39:17,645 --> 00:39:21,230 He went to Hoffman, he took the money, 577 00:39:21,266 --> 00:39:23,149 but he hesitated. 578 00:39:23,184 --> 00:39:26,435 Even looking like you're doing the right thing to those two 579 00:39:26,487 --> 00:39:30,857 meant that he wasn't solid, that he couldn't be trusted. 580 00:39:35,864 --> 00:39:38,281 I got Matty to take the money. 581 00:39:42,287 --> 00:39:45,121 And they killed him two days later. 582 00:39:50,545 --> 00:39:54,931 He was the strongest person that I ever knew. 583 00:39:54,966 --> 00:40:00,353 He'd have never done it, not even to save himself. 584 00:40:00,388 --> 00:40:03,973 I was the only one... 585 00:40:04,025 --> 00:40:05,975 I was the only one that could get him 586 00:40:06,027 --> 00:40:10,196 to debase himself like that. 587 00:40:13,067 --> 00:40:16,869 And it was for nothing. 588 00:40:16,905 --> 00:40:20,873 I made him lesser. 589 00:40:20,909 --> 00:40:23,743 I made him like me. 590 00:40:27,415 --> 00:40:31,417 And the bastards killed him anyway. 591 00:40:50,438 --> 00:40:53,272 Hoffman and Fensky... 592 00:40:55,743 --> 00:40:59,528 if they killed Matty... 593 00:40:59,580 --> 00:41:02,365 Who killed them? 594 00:41:04,503 --> 00:41:07,787 Pop... What happened? 595 00:41:12,260 --> 00:41:15,845 You know what happened. 596 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,561 The question is... 597 00:41:22,983 --> 00:41:25,450 can you live with it?