1
00:00:04,854 --> 00:00:09,825
>> narrator: She was a woman
of faith with a heart of gold.
>> she was an angel, sweetest

2
00:00:09,827 --> 00:00:10,893
of faith with a heart of gold.
>> she was an angel, sweetest
person you could ever meet.

3
00:00:10,895 --> 00:00:12,294
>> she was an angel, sweetest
person you could ever meet.
>> narrator: He was a born-again

4
00:00:12,296 --> 00:00:14,897
person you could ever meet.
>> narrator: He was a born-again
christian eager to serve god.

5
00:00:14,899 --> 00:00:16,398
>> narrator: He was a born-again
christian eager to serve god.
>> he was going to be a pastor,

6
00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:17,199
christian eager to serve god.
>> he was going to be a pastor,
and he was doing

7
00:00:17,201 --> 00:00:18,233
>> he was going to be a pastor,
and he was doing
all these religious things.

8
00:00:18,235 --> 00:00:18,951
And he was doing
all these religious things.
>> narrator: Together,

9
00:00:18,953 --> 00:00:20,102
all these religious things.
>> narrator: Together,
they dreamt of bringing

10
00:00:20,104 --> 00:00:21,987
>> narrator: Together,
they dreamt of bringing
the gospel to the masses.

11
00:00:21,989 --> 00:00:22,938
They dreamt of bringing
the gospel to the masses.
>> they were doing a record

12
00:00:22,940 --> 00:00:25,674
the gospel to the masses.
>> they were doing a record
label, a christian rap label.

13
00:00:25,676 --> 00:00:26,975
>> they were doing a record
label, a christian rap label.
>> narrator: But on the brink

14
00:00:26,977 --> 00:00:28,077
label, a christian rap label.
>> narrator: But on the brink
of success,

15
00:00:28,079 --> 00:00:30,713
>> narrator: But on the brink
of success,
fate took a bloody turn.

16
00:00:30,715 --> 00:00:31,947
Of success,
fate took a bloody turn.
>> this was the most horrifying

17
00:00:31,949 --> 00:00:32,748
fate took a bloody turn.
>> this was the most horrifying
scene

18
00:00:32,750 --> 00:00:33,499
>> this was the most horrifying
scene
that the akron police department

19
00:00:33,501 --> 00:00:35,334
scene
that the akron police department
had ever seen.

20
00:00:35,336 --> 00:00:37,002
That the akron police department
had ever seen.
>> it was really hard to wrap

21
00:00:37,004 --> 00:00:38,320
had ever seen.
>> it was really hard to wrap
their head around just

22
00:00:38,322 --> 00:00:40,639
>> it was really hard to wrap
their head around just
the sheer brutality of this.

23
00:00:40,641 --> 00:00:41,657
Their head around just
the sheer brutality of this.
>> narrator: As shocking

24
00:00:41,659 --> 00:00:43,025
the sheer brutality of this.
>> narrator: As shocking
as the crime is,

25
00:00:43,027 --> 00:00:44,126
>> narrator: As shocking
as the crime is,
the alleged motive

26
00:00:44,128 --> 00:00:44,993
as the crime is,
the alleged motive
is beyond belief.

27
00:00:44,995 --> 00:00:45,928
The alleged motive
is beyond belief.
>> all the way down!

28
00:00:45,930 --> 00:00:48,013
Is beyond belief.
>> all the way down!
>> temporary demon possession,

29
00:00:48,015 --> 00:00:49,565
>> all the way down!
>> temporary demon possession,
that's what I would call it.

30
00:00:49,567 --> 00:00:50,666
>> temporary demon possession,
that's what I would call it.
>> he was saying that she had

31
00:00:50,668 --> 00:00:51,934
that's what I would call it.
>> he was saying that she had
the devil inside of her.

32
00:00:51,936 --> 00:00:53,485
>> he was saying that she had
the devil inside of her.
>> he believed the bible said

33
00:00:53,487 --> 00:00:55,704
the devil inside of her.
>> he believed the bible said
the only way to kill the devil

34
00:00:55,706 --> 00:00:57,406
>> he believed the bible said
the only way to kill the devil
was to chop off his head.

35
00:00:57,408 --> 00:00:59,108
The only way to kill the devil
was to chop off his head.
[ dramatic music plays ]

36
00:00:59,409 --> 00:01:07,416
♪

37
00:01:07,418 --> 00:01:10,452
--<font color="#ffff00"> captions by vitac</font> --
<font color="#00ffff"> www.Vitac.Com</font>

38
00:01:13,022 --> 00:01:14,957
>> narrator: April 3, 1998 --

39
00:01:15,125 --> 00:01:16,458
it's a cool Friday morning

40
00:01:16,593 --> 00:01:19,128
in akron, ohio, a mid-size city

41
00:01:19,262 --> 00:01:21,430
steeped in midwestern values.

42
00:01:21,548 --> 00:01:22,714
>> akron is a very close-knit

43
00:01:22,849 --> 00:01:23,599
community.

44
00:01:23,716 --> 00:01:24,466
Everybody kind of knows

45
00:01:24,634 --> 00:01:25,300
everybody, and they

46
00:01:25,435 --> 00:01:26,468
all look out for each other.

47
00:01:26,636 --> 00:01:28,003
>> narrator: Which is why

48
00:01:28,138 --> 00:01:29,371
joseph wilson has asked his

49
00:01:29,506 --> 00:01:30,706
landlord to check on his

50
00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:31,640
neighbor,

51
00:01:31,775 --> 00:01:34,343
43-year-old lilius landrum.

52
00:01:34,477 --> 00:01:35,010
>> the tenant

53
00:01:35,145 --> 00:01:35,811
called the landlord

54
00:01:35,979 --> 00:01:36,862
and said he had been smelling

55
00:01:36,980 --> 00:01:40,649
an odd odor in the home.

56
00:01:40,784 --> 00:01:42,317
>> lilius, you in there?

57
00:01:42,452 --> 00:01:42,901
>> I haven't seen him

58
00:01:43,036 --> 00:01:44,486
in a few days.

59
00:01:44,654 --> 00:01:45,320
>> lilius lived

60
00:01:45,455 --> 00:01:46,155
with her partner,

61
00:01:46,322 --> 00:01:47,906
an aspiring music producer

62
00:01:48,057 --> 00:01:49,291
named tony smith.

63
00:01:49,576 --> 00:01:51,827
>> you think they might've
went out of town?
>> yeah, maybe.

64
00:01:51,829 --> 00:01:52,561
Went out of town?
>> yeah, maybe.
>> narrator: When there's

65
00:01:52,563 --> 00:01:53,879
>> yeah, maybe.
>> narrator: When there's
no answer at the door,

66
00:01:53,881 --> 00:01:55,464
>> narrator: When there's
no answer at the door,
the landlord uses her key

67
00:01:55,466 --> 00:01:56,598
no answer at the door,
the landlord uses her key
to check inside.

68
00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:57,499
The landlord uses her key
to check inside.
>> lilius!

69
00:01:57,501 --> 00:01:58,967
To check inside.
>> lilius!
>> tony!

70
00:01:58,969 --> 00:02:00,402
>> lilius!
>> tony!
>> the landlord and tenant

71
00:02:00,404 --> 00:02:02,337
>> tony!
>> the landlord and tenant
thought that they were going in

72
00:02:02,339 --> 00:02:03,422
>> the landlord and tenant
thought that they were going in
to find some trash

73
00:02:03,424 --> 00:02:05,724
thought that they were going in
to find some trash
that hadn't been taken out.

74
00:02:05,726 --> 00:02:06,558
To find some trash
that hadn't been taken out.
>> lilius!

75
00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:07,259
That hadn't been taken out.
>> lilius!
>> everything

76
00:02:07,261 --> 00:02:08,060
>> lilius!
>> everything
looked pretty normal.

77
00:02:08,062 --> 00:02:08,594
>> everything
looked pretty normal.
>> tony!

78
00:02:08,596 --> 00:02:09,428
Looked pretty normal.
>> tony!
>> narrator: When they reached

79
00:02:09,430 --> 00:02:10,279
>> tony!
>> narrator: When they reached
the kitchen,

80
00:02:10,281 --> 00:02:12,514
>> narrator: When they reached
the kitchen,
the odor becomes overwhelming.

81
00:02:12,516 --> 00:02:13,599
The kitchen,
the odor becomes overwhelming.
>> oh.

82
00:02:13,601 --> 00:02:14,516
The odor becomes overwhelming.
>> oh.
>> I think it's coming from the

83
00:02:14,518 --> 00:02:15,017
>> oh.
>> I think it's coming from the
basement.

84
00:02:15,019 --> 00:02:17,069
>> I think it's coming from the
basement.
>> ugh.

85
00:02:17,071 --> 00:02:18,270
Basement.
>> ugh.
>> they open the door leading

86
00:02:18,272 --> 00:02:19,271
>> ugh.
>> they open the door leading
to the basement,

87
00:02:19,273 --> 00:02:20,072
>> they open the door leading
to the basement,
and that's when they notice

88
00:02:20,074 --> 00:02:22,107
to the basement,
and that's when they notice
the two large garbage bags.

89
00:02:22,109 --> 00:02:22,858
And that's when they notice
the two large garbage bags.
They assume that's where

90
00:02:22,860 --> 00:02:23,692
the two large garbage bags.
They assume that's where
the source of the smell

91
00:02:23,694 --> 00:02:24,493
they assume that's where
the source of the smell
was coming from.

92
00:02:24,495 --> 00:02:25,894
The source of the smell
was coming from.
>> narrator: As they descend

93
00:02:25,896 --> 00:02:27,462
was coming from.
>> narrator: As they descend
the stairs, they quickly

94
00:02:27,464 --> 00:02:29,281
>> narrator: As they descend
the stairs, they quickly
discover the wretched smell

95
00:02:29,283 --> 00:02:31,533
the stairs, they quickly
discover the wretched smell
isn't garbage.

96
00:02:31,535 --> 00:02:33,001
Discover the wretched smell
isn't garbage.
>> they had seen a bloody mop

97
00:02:33,003 --> 00:02:34,586
isn't garbage.
>> they had seen a bloody mop
and some blood, and there

98
00:02:34,588 --> 00:02:35,954
>> they had seen a bloody mop
and some blood, and there
were bloody footprints.

99
00:02:35,956 --> 00:02:36,905
And some blood, and there
were bloody footprints.
>> narrator: But little can

100
00:02:36,907 --> 00:02:38,240
were bloody footprints.
>> narrator: But little can
prepare them for the horror

101
00:02:38,242 --> 00:02:39,541
>> narrator: But little can
prepare them for the horror
waiting at the bottom

102
00:02:39,543 --> 00:02:41,176
prepare them for the horror
waiting at the bottom
of the basement stairs.

103
00:02:41,178 --> 00:02:42,277
Waiting at the bottom
of the basement stairs.
>> oh! Oh, my god.

104
00:02:42,279 --> 00:02:43,212
Of the basement stairs.
>> oh! Oh, my god.
>> oh, my god! Lilli!

105
00:02:43,214 --> 00:02:44,746
>> oh! Oh, my god.
>> oh, my god! Lilli!
>> oh!

106
00:02:46,683 --> 00:02:51,053
>> narrator: Akron native
lilius landrum was grounded
by faith and family.

107
00:02:51,055 --> 00:02:52,087
Lilius landrum was grounded
by faith and family.
>> she was very close

108
00:02:52,089 --> 00:02:52,988
by faith and family.
>> she was very close
to her siblings.

109
00:02:52,990 --> 00:02:53,772
>> she was very close
to her siblings.
She was raised in

110
00:02:53,774 --> 00:02:55,357
to her siblings.
She was raised in
a very god-fearing family.

111
00:02:55,359 --> 00:02:57,192
She was raised in
a very god-fearing family.
>> lilius was very spiritual.

112
00:02:57,194 --> 00:02:58,227
A very god-fearing family.
>> lilius was very spiritual.
She was very active

113
00:02:58,229 --> 00:02:58,977
>> lilius was very spiritual.
She was very active
in her church.

114
00:02:58,979 --> 00:03:00,145
She was very active
in her church.
>> she was always helping

115
00:03:00,147 --> 00:03:01,897
in her church.
>> she was always helping
people, being involved.

116
00:03:01,899 --> 00:03:02,898
>> she was always helping
people, being involved.
She would give you the last

117
00:03:02,900 --> 00:03:04,233
people, being involved.
She would give you the last
of anything she had just

118
00:03:04,235 --> 00:03:05,450
she would give you the last
of anything she had just
to make sure that you were okay.

119
00:03:05,735 --> 00:03:07,319
>> she was a big sister, mother,

120
00:03:07,453 --> 00:03:08,820
grandmother, cousin type.

121
00:03:08,955 --> 00:03:10,138
She was such a good person.

122
00:03:10,273 --> 00:03:11,073
Everybody loved her.

123
00:03:11,207 --> 00:03:13,008
>> narrator: Though she'd always

124
00:03:13,142 --> 00:03:14,376
felt the love of god

125
00:03:14,510 --> 00:03:15,644
and her family,

126
00:03:15,778 --> 00:03:17,913
romantic love had eluded her.

127
00:03:18,047 --> 00:03:18,814
>> in her 20s, she married

128
00:03:18,948 --> 00:03:20,032
a man named james,

129
00:03:20,149 --> 00:03:21,350
but that relationship was marred

130
00:03:21,484 --> 00:03:22,651
by tragedy.

131
00:03:22,952 --> 00:03:26,455
>> lilius was pregnant
with twins, but unfortunately
she lost the babies,

132
00:03:26,457 --> 00:03:27,539
with twins, but unfortunately
she lost the babies,
and that may have played a part

133
00:03:27,541 --> 00:03:28,407
she lost the babies,
and that may have played a part
in the disintegration

134
00:03:28,409 --> 00:03:29,124
and that may have played a part
in the disintegration
of her marriage.

135
00:03:29,409 --> 00:03:29,992
>> it just...

136
00:03:30,126 --> 00:03:31,627
He just kind of left.

137
00:03:31,928 --> 00:03:35,597
>> narrator: Devastated
by the loss of her children
and her marriage,

138
00:03:35,599 --> 00:03:37,866
by the loss of her children
and her marriage,
lilius fled akron for hollywood

139
00:03:37,868 --> 00:03:39,902
and her marriage,
lilius fled akron for hollywood
in search of new beginnings.

140
00:03:39,904 --> 00:03:41,703
Lilius fled akron for hollywood
in search of new beginnings.
>> lilius loved movies, so her

141
00:03:41,705 --> 00:03:43,472
in search of new beginnings.
>> lilius loved movies, so her
desire was to become an actress.

142
00:03:43,474 --> 00:03:44,806
>> lilius loved movies, so her
desire was to become an actress.
She was doing roles

143
00:03:44,808 --> 00:03:46,108
desire was to become an actress.
She was doing roles
for "give me a break"

144
00:03:46,110 --> 00:03:48,076
she was doing roles
for "give me a break"
and "family matters."

145
00:03:48,078 --> 00:03:49,511
for "give me a break"
and "family matters."
she did some really pretty cool

146
00:03:49,513 --> 00:03:50,762
and "family matters."
she did some really pretty cool
things, rubbed shoulders

147
00:03:50,764 --> 00:03:51,847
she did some really pretty cool
things, rubbed shoulders
with some pretty cool people

148
00:03:51,849 --> 00:03:53,315
things, rubbed shoulders
with some pretty cool people
in hollywood.

149
00:03:53,317 --> 00:03:55,017
With some pretty cool people
in hollywood.
>> narrator: But lilius' brush

150
00:03:55,019 --> 00:03:56,251
in hollywood.
>> narrator: But lilius' brush
with stardom proved

151
00:03:56,253 --> 00:03:58,487
>> narrator: But lilius' brush
with stardom proved
at short-lived as her marriage.

152
00:03:58,489 --> 00:03:59,821
With stardom proved
at short-lived as her marriage.
>> she ended up coming back

153
00:03:59,823 --> 00:04:01,573
at short-lived as her marriage.
>> she ended up coming back
to akron because her mother

154
00:04:01,575 --> 00:04:03,242
>> she ended up coming back
to akron because her mother
and her father fell ill,

155
00:04:03,244 --> 00:04:04,026
to akron because her mother
and her father fell ill,
and she came back

156
00:04:04,028 --> 00:04:05,744
and her father fell ill,
and she came back
to take care of them.

157
00:04:05,746 --> 00:04:07,279
And she came back
to take care of them.
>> narrator: Back in akron,

158
00:04:07,281 --> 00:04:08,363
to take care of them.
>> narrator: Back in akron,
lilius took a job

159
00:04:08,365 --> 00:04:09,781
>> narrator: Back in akron,
lilius took a job
at a mortgage company

160
00:04:09,783 --> 00:04:11,250
lilius took a job
at a mortgage company
and became heavily invested

161
00:04:11,252 --> 00:04:12,868
at a mortgage company
and became heavily invested
in her church and community.

162
00:04:12,870 --> 00:04:14,536
And became heavily invested
in her church and community.
>> she was involved in getting

163
00:04:14,538 --> 00:04:16,171
in her church and community.
>> she was involved in getting
to know people that have

164
00:04:16,173 --> 00:04:17,456
>> she was involved in getting
to know people that have
problems,

165
00:04:17,458 --> 00:04:20,208
to know people that have
problems,
alcoholics, drug addicts.

166
00:04:20,210 --> 00:04:21,677
Problems,
alcoholics, drug addicts.
She just liked to get into the

167
00:04:21,679 --> 00:04:23,345
alcoholics, drug addicts.
She just liked to get into the
trenches and just get to know

168
00:04:23,347 --> 00:04:25,847
she just liked to get into the
trenches and just get to know
those people and love them

169
00:04:25,849 --> 00:04:27,316
trenches and just get to know
those people and love them
and try to get them

170
00:04:27,318 --> 00:04:29,518
those people and love them
and try to get them
to a better place.

171
00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:30,802
And try to get them
to a better place.
>> narrator: Among them was a

172
00:04:30,804 --> 00:04:32,271
to a better place.
>> narrator: Among them was a
former inmate named

173
00:04:32,273 --> 00:04:34,106
>> narrator: Among them was a
former inmate named
richard mcbride.

174
00:04:34,108 --> 00:04:34,723
Former inmate named
richard mcbride.
>> hey.

175
00:04:34,725 --> 00:04:35,590
Richard mcbride.
>> hey.
>> hey.

176
00:04:35,592 --> 00:04:37,259
>> hey.
>> hey.
>> richard was in lucasville,

177
00:04:37,261 --> 00:04:38,777
>> hey.
>> richard was in lucasville,
which is a maximum-security

178
00:04:38,779 --> 00:04:40,562
>> richard was in lucasville,
which is a maximum-security
prison here in ohio

179
00:04:40,564 --> 00:04:41,830
which is a maximum-security
prison here in ohio
that houses the worst of

180
00:04:41,832 --> 00:04:43,532
prison here in ohio
that houses the worst of
the worst criminals.

181
00:04:43,534 --> 00:04:45,651
That houses the worst of
the worst criminals.
Lilius had a soft spot

182
00:04:45,653 --> 00:04:46,902
the worst criminals.
Lilius had a soft spot
for people that she thought

183
00:04:46,904 --> 00:04:47,786
lilius had a soft spot
for people that she thought
she could help,

184
00:04:47,788 --> 00:04:49,488
for people that she thought
she could help,
so she actually allowed him

185
00:04:49,490 --> 00:04:51,139
she could help,
so she actually allowed him
to live with her.

186
00:04:51,141 --> 00:04:52,908
So she actually allowed him
to live with her.
>> I just remember pulling up

187
00:04:52,910 --> 00:04:55,410
to live with her.
>> I just remember pulling up
one day and seeing a man

188
00:04:55,412 --> 00:04:56,745
>> I just remember pulling up
one day and seeing a man
on the front porch,

189
00:04:56,747 --> 00:05:00,132
one day and seeing a man
on the front porch,
and I said, "wow, lilius.

190
00:05:00,134 --> 00:05:01,300
On the front porch,
and I said, "wow, lilius.
Who is that?"

191
00:05:01,302 --> 00:05:02,050
and I said, "wow, lilius.
Who is that?"
and she said,

192
00:05:02,052 --> 00:05:03,418
who is that?"
and she said,
"oh, that's richard.

193
00:05:03,420 --> 00:05:04,670
And she said,
"oh, that's richard.
He just got out of jail."

194
00:05:04,672 --> 00:05:06,254
"oh, that's richard.
He just got out of jail."
I said, "okay."

195
00:05:06,256 --> 00:05:07,422
he just got out of jail."
I said, "okay."
you know, "I guess you know

196
00:05:07,424 --> 00:05:08,807
I said, "okay."
you know, "I guess you know
what you're doing."

197
00:05:08,809 --> 00:05:09,841
you know, "I guess you know
what you're doing."
>> after richard moved in

198
00:05:09,843 --> 00:05:10,892
what you're doing."
>> after richard moved in
with lilius,

199
00:05:10,894 --> 00:05:12,728
>> after richard moved in
with lilius,
rumors began to fly that the two

200
00:05:12,730 --> 00:05:14,646
with lilius,
rumors began to fly that the two
might be more than just friends.

201
00:05:14,648 --> 00:05:16,264
Rumors began to fly that the two
might be more than just friends.
>> so I can see you at home.

202
00:05:16,266 --> 00:05:16,932
Might be more than just friends.
>> so I can see you at home.
>> all right.

203
00:05:16,934 --> 00:05:17,666
>> so I can see you at home.
>> all right.
I'll see you then.

204
00:05:17,668 --> 00:05:18,934
>> all right.
I'll see you then.
>> I asked lilius.

205
00:05:18,936 --> 00:05:21,019
I'll see you then.
>> I asked lilius.
I said, "so are you guys

206
00:05:21,021 --> 00:05:22,437
>> I asked lilius.
I said, "so are you guys
together?"

207
00:05:22,439 --> 00:05:23,438
I said, "so are you guys
together?"
and she said, "oh, no.

208
00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:24,239
Together?"
and she said, "oh, no.
Absolutely no.

209
00:05:24,241 --> 00:05:25,107
And she said, "oh, no.
Absolutely no.
I'm just helping him.

210
00:05:25,109 --> 00:05:27,175
Absolutely no.
I'm just helping him.
That's all I'm doing."

211
00:05:27,177 --> 00:05:28,076
I'm just helping him.
That's all I'm doing."
>> she had been devastated

212
00:05:28,078 --> 00:05:29,161
that's all I'm doing."
>> she had been devastated
by love in the past,

213
00:05:29,163 --> 00:05:30,112
>> she had been devastated
by love in the past,
so naturally

214
00:05:30,114 --> 00:05:31,580
by love in the past,
so naturally
she was a bit guarded.

215
00:05:31,582 --> 00:05:33,699
So naturally
she was a bit guarded.
>> narrator: By 1996,

216
00:05:33,701 --> 00:05:34,950
she was a bit guarded.
>> narrator: By 1996,
the hard shell lilius

217
00:05:34,952 --> 00:05:36,585
>> narrator: By 1996,
the hard shell lilius
had placed around her heart

218
00:05:36,587 --> 00:05:37,886
the hard shell lilius
had placed around her heart
seemed to be cracking

219
00:05:37,888 --> 00:05:39,087
had placed around her heart
seemed to be cracking
when she started another

220
00:05:39,089 --> 00:05:40,689
seemed to be cracking
when she started another
new chapter in her life.

221
00:05:40,691 --> 00:05:41,523
When she started another
new chapter in her life.
>> she started working

222
00:05:41,525 --> 00:05:43,358
new chapter in her life.
>> she started working
for kent state university.

223
00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:44,726
>> she started working
for kent state university.
She would clean their dorms,

224
00:05:44,728 --> 00:05:46,294
for kent state university.
She would clean their dorms,
so she had two jobs.

225
00:05:46,296 --> 00:05:47,379
She would clean their dorms,
so she had two jobs.
>> so in the morning, she worked

226
00:05:47,381 --> 00:05:48,764
so she had two jobs.
>> so in the morning, she worked
at the mortgage company.

227
00:05:48,766 --> 00:05:49,715
>> so in the morning, she worked
at the mortgage company.
After lilius would leave

228
00:05:49,717 --> 00:05:50,599
at the mortgage company.
After lilius would leave
the mortgage company,

229
00:05:50,601 --> 00:05:52,351
after lilius would leave
the mortgage company,
then she would work all evening

230
00:05:52,353 --> 00:05:53,385
the mortgage company,
then she would work all evening
cleaning the university.

231
00:05:53,387 --> 00:05:55,387
Then she would work all evening
cleaning the university.
>> narrator: It was at this job

232
00:05:55,389 --> 00:05:56,972
cleaning the university.
>> narrator: It was at this job
that lilius met the man

233
00:05:56,974 --> 00:05:58,390
>> narrator: It was at this job
that lilius met the man
she'd prayed for:

234
00:05:58,392 --> 00:06:00,776
That lilius met the man
she'd prayed for:
21-year-old tony smith.

235
00:06:00,778 --> 00:06:01,360
She'd prayed for:
21-year-old tony smith.
>> he was, like,

236
00:06:01,362 --> 00:06:02,911
21-year-old tony smith.
>> he was, like,
a janitor there.

237
00:06:02,913 --> 00:06:03,729
>> he was, like,
a janitor there.
>> oh, hey.

238
00:06:03,731 --> 00:06:05,947
A janitor there.
>> oh, hey.
Let me help you with that.

239
00:06:05,949 --> 00:06:07,399
>> oh, hey.
Let me help you with that.
>> thank you.

240
00:06:07,401 --> 00:06:09,885
Let me help you with that.
>> thank you.
Thank you so much.

241
00:06:09,887 --> 00:06:11,787
>> thank you.
Thank you so much.
>> tony was a young man

242
00:06:11,789 --> 00:06:14,156
thank you so much.
>> tony was a young man
wanting to be a minister.

243
00:06:14,158 --> 00:06:15,057
>> tony was a young man
wanting to be a minister.
>> narrator: Before turning to

244
00:06:15,059 --> 00:06:15,924
wanting to be a minister.
>> narrator: Before turning to
the ministry,

245
00:06:15,926 --> 00:06:17,542
>> narrator: Before turning to
the ministry,
tony had been a rapper,

246
00:06:17,544 --> 00:06:19,327
the ministry,
tony had been a rapper,
and, much like lilius, he'd had

247
00:06:19,329 --> 00:06:20,962
tony had been a rapper,
and, much like lilius, he'd had
a fleeting brush with stardom.

248
00:06:21,264 --> 00:06:22,297
>> remember the group

249
00:06:22,432 --> 00:06:23,899
bone thugs-n-harmony?

250
00:06:24,067 --> 00:06:24,649
Actually,

251
00:06:24,784 --> 00:06:25,400
tony was a part of that.

252
00:06:25,701 --> 00:06:28,203
>> narrator: When tony
found god,
he turned his back

253
00:06:28,205 --> 00:06:29,538
found god,
he turned his back
on gangster rap

254
00:06:29,540 --> 00:06:31,440
he turned his back
on gangster rap
but not the music industry.

255
00:06:31,442 --> 00:06:33,625
On gangster rap
but not the music industry.
>> he was doing christian rap.

256
00:06:33,627 --> 00:06:35,660
But not the music industry.
>> he was doing christian rap.
>> and he was also attempting

257
00:06:35,662 --> 00:06:38,080
>> he was doing christian rap.
>> and he was also attempting
to promote different shows.

258
00:06:38,082 --> 00:06:39,247
>> and he was also attempting
to promote different shows.
>> he decided to start his own

259
00:06:39,249 --> 00:06:40,132
to promote different shows.
>> he decided to start his own
music label called

260
00:06:40,134 --> 00:06:42,000
>> he decided to start his own
music label called
shock the world strictly

261
00:06:42,002 --> 00:06:44,086
music label called
shock the world strictly
dedicated to christian rap.

262
00:06:44,088 --> 00:06:46,171
Shock the world strictly
dedicated to christian rap.
>> hey, did you want to hear

263
00:06:46,173 --> 00:06:46,922
dedicated to christian rap.
>> hey, did you want to hear
that new track

264
00:06:46,924 --> 00:06:48,757
>> hey, did you want to hear
that new track
I was telling you about?

265
00:06:48,759 --> 00:06:49,558
That new track
I was telling you about?
>> yes.

266
00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:50,308
I was telling you about?
>> yes.
>> narrator: Drawn to both

267
00:06:50,310 --> 00:06:52,060
>> yes.
>> narrator: Drawn to both
his faith and his talent,

268
00:06:52,062 --> 00:06:53,428
>> narrator: Drawn to both
his faith and his talent,
lilius felt she'd found

269
00:06:53,430 --> 00:06:54,479
his faith and his talent,
lilius felt she'd found
the perfect partner

270
00:06:54,481 --> 00:06:55,931
lilius felt she'd found
the perfect partner
to spread god's word.

271
00:06:55,933 --> 00:06:57,399
The perfect partner
to spread god's word.
>> she wanted to join forces

272
00:06:57,401 --> 00:07:00,152
to spread god's word.
>> she wanted to join forces
with him to try to do something

273
00:07:00,154 --> 00:07:02,104
>> she wanted to join forces
with him to try to do something
and help people.

274
00:07:02,106 --> 00:07:04,189
With him to try to do something
and help people.
>> this is so good.

275
00:07:04,191 --> 00:07:05,240
And help people.
>> this is so good.
That bridge you added made

276
00:07:05,242 --> 00:07:06,942
>> this is so good.
That bridge you added made
all the difference.

277
00:07:06,944 --> 00:07:08,743
That bridge you added made
all the difference.
>> narrator: Before long,

278
00:07:08,745 --> 00:07:10,278
all the difference.
>> narrator: Before long,
tony and lilius were spending

279
00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:11,947
>> narrator: Before long,
tony and lilius were spending
so much time collaborating

280
00:07:11,949 --> 00:07:14,116
tony and lilius were spending
so much time collaborating
on projects that she invited him

281
00:07:14,118 --> 00:07:15,534
so much time collaborating
on projects that she invited him
to move in with her.

282
00:07:15,536 --> 00:07:16,751
On projects that she invited him
to move in with her.
>> it wasn't really made

283
00:07:16,753 --> 00:07:17,836
to move in with her.
>> it wasn't really made
clear to me

284
00:07:17,838 --> 00:07:19,871
>> it wasn't really made
clear to me
when richard left the scene,

285
00:07:19,873 --> 00:07:22,340
clear to me
when richard left the scene,
but I just assumed that he found

286
00:07:22,342 --> 00:07:24,709
when richard left the scene,
but I just assumed that he found
placing, or he found something

287
00:07:24,711 --> 00:07:26,428
but I just assumed that he found
placing, or he found something
because she had told me

288
00:07:26,430 --> 00:07:28,130
placing, or he found something
because she had told me
that it was just temporary.

289
00:07:28,132 --> 00:07:29,264
Because she had told me
that it was just temporary.
>> so you good?

290
00:07:29,266 --> 00:07:30,382
That it was just temporary.
>> so you good?
You all set up?

291
00:07:30,384 --> 00:07:31,216
>> so you good?
You all set up?
>> yeah.

292
00:07:31,218 --> 00:07:31,850
You all set up?
>> yeah.
Yeah.

293
00:07:31,852 --> 00:07:33,301
>> yeah.
Yeah.
>> good.

294
00:07:33,303 --> 00:07:33,969
Yeah.
>> good.
>> thanks again

295
00:07:33,971 --> 00:07:34,469
>> good.
>> thanks again
for letting me stay.

296
00:07:34,471 --> 00:07:35,303
>> thanks again
for letting me stay.
>> oh.

297
00:07:35,305 --> 00:07:36,238
For letting me stay.
>> oh.
>> I really appreciate this.

298
00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:37,022
>> oh.
>> I really appreciate this.
>> no problem.

299
00:07:37,024 --> 00:07:37,806
>> I really appreciate this.
>> no problem.
It's going to be good.

300
00:07:37,808 --> 00:07:38,640
>> no problem.
It's going to be good.
It really is.

301
00:07:38,642 --> 00:07:40,542
It's going to be good.
It really is.
I'm so glad you're here.

302
00:07:40,544 --> 00:07:41,726
It really is.
I'm so glad you're here.
>> she was very excited.

303
00:07:41,728 --> 00:07:42,978
I'm so glad you're here.
>> she was very excited.
It seemed like a very

304
00:07:42,980 --> 00:07:44,279
>> she was very excited.
It seemed like a very
exciting time in her life.

305
00:07:44,281 --> 00:07:45,147
It seemed like a very
exciting time in her life.
>> narrator: Just as

306
00:07:45,149 --> 00:07:47,065
exciting time in her life.
>> narrator: Just as
with richard, lilius' friends

307
00:07:47,067 --> 00:07:49,117
>> narrator: Just as
with richard, lilius' friends
soon wondered if she and tony

308
00:07:49,119 --> 00:07:51,286
with richard, lilius' friends
soon wondered if she and tony
were more than just roommates.

309
00:07:51,288 --> 00:07:52,070
Soon wondered if she and tony
were more than just roommates.
>> I asked her,

310
00:07:52,072 --> 00:07:53,572
were more than just roommates.
>> I asked her,
"is this romantic?"

311
00:07:53,574 --> 00:07:54,489
>> I asked her,
"is this romantic?"
and she told me, "no.

312
00:07:54,491 --> 00:07:55,824
"is this romantic?"
and she told me, "no.
He's so much younger than me."

313
00:07:55,826 --> 00:07:56,992
and she told me, "no.
He's so much younger than me."
>> lilius was in her 40s,

314
00:07:56,994 --> 00:07:58,460
he's so much younger than me."
>> lilius was in her 40s,
so there was a 20-year age

315
00:07:58,462 --> 00:07:59,194
>> lilius was in her 40s,
so there was a 20-year age
difference there.

316
00:07:59,196 --> 00:07:59,928
So there was a 20-year age
difference there.
>> narrator: Which made

317
00:07:59,930 --> 00:08:00,996
difference there.
>> narrator: Which made
their big announcement

318
00:08:00,998 --> 00:08:03,031
>> narrator: Which made
their big announcement
in the fall of 1997

319
00:08:03,033 --> 00:08:04,466
their big announcement
in the fall of 1997
that much more shocking

320
00:08:04,468 --> 00:08:06,134
in the fall of 1997
that much more shocking
for the couple's friends.

321
00:08:06,136 --> 00:08:07,235
That much more shocking
for the couple's friends.
>> she said, "tony and I

322
00:08:07,237 --> 00:08:09,704
for the couple's friends.
>> she said, "tony and I
got married in michigan."

323
00:08:09,706 --> 00:08:10,489
>> she said, "tony and I
got married in michigan."
>> none of us knew.

324
00:08:10,491 --> 00:08:11,156
Got married in michigan."
>> none of us knew.
We had no clue.

325
00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:12,107
We had no clue that they were

326
00:08:12,241 --> 00:08:13,492
dating, seeing each other,

327
00:08:13,609 --> 00:08:14,609
liked each other, nothing.

328
00:08:14,944 --> 00:08:19,114
>> narrator: With their love
finally out in the open,
lilius and tony poured

329
00:08:19,116 --> 00:08:20,916
finally out in the open,
lilius and tony poured
all their energy into producing

330
00:08:20,918 --> 00:08:22,284
lilius and tony poured
all their energy into producing
the first album for

331
00:08:22,286 --> 00:08:24,219
all their energy into producing
the first album for
the up-and-coming record label.

332
00:08:24,221 --> 00:08:25,921
The first album for
the up-and-coming record label.
>> we was just in the studio

333
00:08:25,923 --> 00:08:27,506
the up-and-coming record label.
>> we was just in the studio
recording, recording, recording.

334
00:08:27,508 --> 00:08:28,507
>> we was just in the studio
recording, recording, recording.
>> she did put everything

335
00:08:28,509 --> 00:08:29,791
recording, recording, recording.
>> she did put everything
into the business.

336
00:08:29,793 --> 00:08:31,927
>> she did put everything
into the business.
It seemed like her main focus

337
00:08:31,929 --> 00:08:33,795
into the business.
It seemed like her main focus
was just on her company.

338
00:08:33,797 --> 00:08:35,330
It seemed like her main focus
was just on her company.
>> in the spring of 1998,

339
00:08:35,332 --> 00:08:36,131
was just on her company.
>> in the spring of 1998,
tony is preparing

340
00:08:36,133 --> 00:08:37,732
>> in the spring of 1998,
tony is preparing
for his huge showcase.

341
00:08:37,734 --> 00:08:38,433
Tony is preparing
for his huge showcase.
He had gathered

342
00:08:38,435 --> 00:08:39,501
for his huge showcase.
He had gathered
a lot of local artists

343
00:08:39,503 --> 00:08:40,852
he had gathered
a lot of local artists
but also some big-name artists,

344
00:08:40,854 --> 00:08:42,137
a lot of local artists
but also some big-name artists,
and his mind, this was

345
00:08:42,139 --> 00:08:43,972
but also some big-name artists,
and his mind, this was
going to be his big break.

346
00:08:43,974 --> 00:08:45,140
And his mind, this was
going to be his big break.
>> outkast was supposed to be

347
00:08:45,142 --> 00:08:46,441
going to be his big break.
>> outkast was supposed to be
at this show

348
00:08:46,443 --> 00:08:48,193
>> outkast was supposed to be
at this show
and a couple other people

349
00:08:48,195 --> 00:08:50,145
at this show
and a couple other people
was supposed to be at this show,

350
00:08:50,147 --> 00:08:51,146
and a couple other people
was supposed to be at this show,
and we was supposed to be having

351
00:08:51,148 --> 00:08:53,315
was supposed to be at this show,
and we was supposed to be having
a major deal on the table.

352
00:08:53,317 --> 00:08:54,199
And we was supposed to be having
a major deal on the table.
>> everything was going

353
00:08:54,201 --> 00:08:55,650
a major deal on the table.
>> everything was going
really well for tony and lilius.

354
00:08:55,652 --> 00:08:56,318
>> everything was going
really well for tony and lilius.
His record label

355
00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:57,819
really well for tony and lilius.
His record label
was about to take off.

356
00:08:57,821 --> 00:08:58,987
His record label
was about to take off.
They were in love.

357
00:08:58,989 --> 00:09:01,089
Was about to take off.
They were in love.
Life looked really good.

358
00:09:01,091 --> 00:09:02,958
They were in love.
Life looked really good.
>> narrator: But on April 3,

359
00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,043
life looked really good.
>> narrator: But on April 3,
days before their big showcase,

360
00:09:05,045 --> 00:09:05,994
>> narrator: But on April 3,
days before their big showcase,
something has gone

361
00:09:05,996 --> 00:09:07,329
days before their big showcase,
something has gone
horribly wrong.

362
00:09:07,331 --> 00:09:08,880
Something has gone
horribly wrong.
>> a neighbor had noticed

363
00:09:08,882 --> 00:09:09,881
horribly wrong.
>> a neighbor had noticed
a smell.

364
00:09:09,883 --> 00:09:12,133
>> a neighbor had noticed
a smell.
He contacted the landlord,

365
00:09:12,135 --> 00:09:13,735
a smell.
He contacted the landlord,
and they both went down

366
00:09:13,737 --> 00:09:15,220
he contacted the landlord,
and they both went down
to do a check to see

367
00:09:15,222 --> 00:09:18,173
and they both went down
to do a check to see
where the smell was coming from.

368
00:09:18,175 --> 00:09:19,207
To do a check to see
where the smell was coming from.
>> mercy!

369
00:09:19,209 --> 00:09:19,808
Where the smell was coming from.
>> mercy!
>> oh, my god!

370
00:09:19,810 --> 00:09:20,642
>> mercy!
>> oh, my god!
Lilius!

371
00:09:20,644 --> 00:09:22,510
>> oh, my god!
Lilius!
>> oh!

372
00:09:22,512 --> 00:09:24,145
Lilius!
>> oh!
>> she was on her back

373
00:09:24,147 --> 00:09:25,680
>> oh!
>> she was on her back
with her arms out

374
00:09:25,682 --> 00:09:28,516
>> she was on her back
with her arms out
with a bucket by her feet.

375
00:09:28,518 --> 00:09:29,584
With her arms out
with a bucket by her feet.
>> the landlord and the tenant

376
00:09:29,586 --> 00:09:30,852
with a bucket by her feet.
>> the landlord and the tenant
backed out of the home

377
00:09:30,854 --> 00:09:32,187
>> the landlord and the tenant
backed out of the home
and immediately called 911.

378
00:09:32,189 --> 00:09:33,438
Backed out of the home
and immediately called 911.
>> narrator: When first

379
00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,407
and immediately called 911.
>> narrator: When first
responders descend the basement

380
00:09:35,409 --> 00:09:37,192
>> narrator: When first
responders descend the basement
stairs minutes later,

381
00:09:37,194 --> 00:09:39,194
responders descend the basement
stairs minutes later,
they make a chilling discovery

382
00:09:39,196 --> 00:09:41,029
stairs minutes later,
they make a chilling discovery
that takes the gruesome scene

383
00:09:41,031 --> 00:09:43,198
they make a chilling discovery
that takes the gruesome scene
to a new level of terror.

384
00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:44,749
That takes the gruesome scene
to a new level of terror.
>> they move closer and realize

385
00:09:44,751 --> 00:09:45,750
to a new level of terror.
>> they move closer and realize
she's been decapitated.

386
00:09:45,752 --> 00:09:48,036
>> they move closer and realize
she's been decapitated.
>> let's call major crimes.

387
00:09:48,038 --> 00:09:49,571
She's been decapitated.
>> let's call major crimes.
>> they actually found lilius'

388
00:09:49,573 --> 00:09:51,139
>> let's call major crimes.
>> they actually found lilius'
head in the bucket.

389
00:09:58,714 --> 00:10:04,085
>> narrator: Lilius landrum and
tony smith were a devoted couple
with dreams of launching their

390
00:10:04,087 --> 00:10:05,604
tony smith were a devoted couple
with dreams of launching their
own record label.

391
00:10:05,606 --> 00:10:06,821
With dreams of launching their
own record label.
>> lilius had her talents.

392
00:10:07,123 --> 00:10:08,189
He had his talents, and then

393
00:10:08,307 --> 00:10:09,057
when they met each other,

394
00:10:09,191 --> 00:10:10,058
they realized what they could do

395
00:10:10,226 --> 00:10:11,693
together and what an impact

396
00:10:11,811 --> 00:10:12,777
they could make.

397
00:10:13,062 --> 00:10:18,033
>> narrator: But on
the afternoon of April 3, 1998,
a gruesome discovery

398
00:10:18,035 --> 00:10:19,067
the afternoon of April 3, 1998,
a gruesome discovery
proved those dreams

399
00:10:19,069 --> 00:10:20,802
a gruesome discovery
proved those dreams
have come to a violent end.

400
00:10:20,804 --> 00:10:22,404
Proved those dreams
have come to a violent end.
>> oh!

401
00:10:22,705 --> 00:10:24,572
>> after discovering lilius

402
00:10:24,707 --> 00:10:26,841
lying in a pool of blood,

403
00:10:26,976 --> 00:10:29,477
the landlord and the tenant

404
00:10:29,578 --> 00:10:34,316
contacted the police.

405
00:10:34,417 --> 00:10:35,467
>> first responders discovered

406
00:10:35,584 --> 00:10:38,720
she'd actually been decapitated.

407
00:10:38,838 --> 00:10:40,088
>> her head is in a bucket

408
00:10:40,222 --> 00:10:42,090
laying at her feet.

409
00:10:42,425 --> 00:10:45,977
>> this crime was unlike
anything that akron
had ever seen before.

410
00:10:45,979 --> 00:10:47,595
Anything that akron
had ever seen before.
>> narrator: Shaken by what

411
00:10:47,597 --> 00:10:49,314
had ever seen before.
>> narrator: Shaken by what
they've found, uniformed

412
00:10:49,316 --> 00:10:51,499
>> narrator: Shaken by what
they've found, uniformed
officers call for backup.

413
00:10:51,501 --> 00:10:53,601
They've found, uniformed
officers call for backup.
>> everyone really wanted

414
00:10:53,603 --> 00:10:55,270
officers call for backup.
>> everyone really wanted
to start to make sure

415
00:10:55,272 --> 00:10:56,438
>> everyone really wanted
to start to make sure
that they could catch

416
00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,773
to start to make sure
that they could catch
whoever this killer was because

417
00:10:58,775 --> 00:11:00,842
that they could catch
whoever this killer was because
this person was very dangerous.

418
00:11:00,844 --> 00:11:02,610
Whoever this killer was because
this person was very dangerous.
>> narrator: When detectives

419
00:11:02,612 --> 00:11:03,978
this person was very dangerous.
>> narrator: When detectives
arrive, they approach

420
00:11:03,980 --> 00:11:05,447
>> narrator: When detectives
arrive, they approach
the scene carefully

421
00:11:05,449 --> 00:11:07,482
arrive, they approach
the scene carefully
starting from the outside.

422
00:11:07,783 --> 00:11:08,850
>> they identified a car

423
00:11:08,984 --> 00:11:09,918
parked in one of the spots

424
00:11:10,052 --> 00:11:11,252
behind the unit.

425
00:11:11,387 --> 00:11:12,620
The neighbor confirmed that

426
00:11:12,755 --> 00:11:14,923
the car had been there for days.

427
00:11:15,207 --> 00:11:19,010
>> does that car belong
to either lilius or tony?
>> I don't think so.

428
00:11:19,012 --> 00:11:20,128
To either lilius or tony?
>> I don't think so.
I never seen this car before

429
00:11:20,130 --> 00:11:21,596
>> I don't think so.
I never seen this car before
until a few days ago.

430
00:11:21,598 --> 00:11:22,347
I never seen this car before
until a few days ago.
>> when detectives run

431
00:11:22,349 --> 00:11:23,264
until a few days ago.
>> when detectives run
the plates, they discover

432
00:11:23,266 --> 00:11:24,933
>> when detectives run
the plates, they discover
the car is actually registered

433
00:11:24,935 --> 00:11:27,969
the plates, they discover
the car is actually registered
to tony's friend eshban chapman.

434
00:11:28,270 --> 00:11:29,270
>> he was the main artist

435
00:11:29,405 --> 00:11:30,004
off the label.

436
00:11:30,139 --> 00:11:30,855
Like, it was really...

437
00:11:30,973 --> 00:11:31,973
Everything was built off of him.

438
00:11:32,908 --> 00:11:36,211
>> narrator: But where
is eshban,
and why is his car outside

439
00:11:36,213 --> 00:11:37,779
is eshban,
and why is his car outside
lilius' home?

440
00:11:37,781 --> 00:11:39,064
And why is his car outside
lilius' home?
>> it seems odd that his car

441
00:11:39,066 --> 00:11:39,814
lilius' home?
>> it seems odd that his car
would be parked out

442
00:11:39,816 --> 00:11:41,282
>> it seems odd that his car
would be parked out
front of a crime scene,

443
00:11:41,284 --> 00:11:42,033
would be parked out
front of a crime scene,
so detectives

444
00:11:42,035 --> 00:11:43,485
front of a crime scene,
so detectives
put out an apb for him.

445
00:11:43,487 --> 00:11:44,819
So detectives
put out an apb for him.
>> narrator: But that's not

446
00:11:44,821 --> 00:11:46,321
put out an apb for him.
>> narrator: But that's not
the only unusual evidence

447
00:11:46,323 --> 00:11:48,223
>> narrator: But that's not
the only unusual evidence
left outside the home.

448
00:11:48,225 --> 00:11:49,924
The only unusual evidence
left outside the home.
>> detectives, there doesn't

449
00:11:49,926 --> 00:11:50,792
left outside the home.
>> detectives, there doesn't
seem

450
00:11:50,794 --> 00:11:51,526
>> detectives, there doesn't
seem
to be any signs of forced entry,

451
00:11:51,528 --> 00:11:52,160
seem
to be any signs of forced entry,
but I did find this note

452
00:11:52,162 --> 00:11:53,795
to be any signs of forced entry,
but I did find this note
in the mailbox.

453
00:11:53,797 --> 00:11:56,331
But I did find this note
in the mailbox.
>> it says, "elizabeth came by.

454
00:11:56,333 --> 00:11:57,298
In the mailbox.
>> it says, "elizabeth came by.
Please, give me a call,"

455
00:11:57,300 --> 00:11:58,550
>> it says, "elizabeth came by.
Please, give me a call,"
and it was also accompanied

456
00:11:58,552 --> 00:11:59,734
please, give me a call,"
and it was also accompanied
by a phone number.

457
00:11:59,736 --> 00:12:00,635
And it was also accompanied
by a phone number.
>> it's clear somebody had been

458
00:12:00,637 --> 00:12:02,003
by a phone number.
>> it's clear somebody had been
looking for the couple,

459
00:12:02,005 --> 00:12:03,104
>> it's clear somebody had been
looking for the couple,
but there's no way of knowing

460
00:12:03,106 --> 00:12:03,805
looking for the couple,
but there's no way of knowing
how long this note

461
00:12:03,807 --> 00:12:04,672
but there's no way of knowing
how long this note
has been there.

462
00:12:04,674 --> 00:12:05,507
How long this note
has been there.
>> narrator:

463
00:12:05,509 --> 00:12:07,342
Has been there.
>> narrator:
Detectives jot down the number

464
00:12:07,344 --> 00:12:10,345
>> narrator:
Detectives jot down the number
and make their way inside.

465
00:12:10,347 --> 00:12:11,846
Detectives jot down the number
and make their way inside.
>> there are several suitcases

466
00:12:11,848 --> 00:12:14,682
and make their way inside.
>> there are several suitcases
just inside the front door.

467
00:12:14,684 --> 00:12:15,900
>> there are several suitcases
just inside the front door.
It appeared as if, in fact,

468
00:12:15,902 --> 00:12:17,435
just inside the front door.
It appeared as if, in fact,
someone were going on a trip.

469
00:12:17,437 --> 00:12:18,737
It appeared as if, in fact,
someone were going on a trip.
There were men and women's

470
00:12:18,739 --> 00:12:20,021
someone were going on a trip.
There were men and women's
clothes packed in there.

471
00:12:20,023 --> 00:12:21,740
There were men and women's
clothes packed in there.
>> narrator: Nearby, detectives

472
00:12:21,742 --> 00:12:24,409
clothes packed in there.
>> narrator: Nearby, detectives
also find lilius' purse.

473
00:12:24,411 --> 00:12:25,493
>> narrator: Nearby, detectives
also find lilius' purse.
>> there was no evidence

474
00:12:25,495 --> 00:12:26,194
also find lilius' purse.
>> there was no evidence
that this had been

475
00:12:26,196 --> 00:12:27,162
>> there was no evidence
that this had been
a robbery of any type.

476
00:12:27,164 --> 00:12:29,197
That this had been
a robbery of any type.
>> narrator: So how did lilius'

477
00:12:29,199 --> 00:12:30,532
a robbery of any type.
>> narrator: So how did lilius'
decapitated body

478
00:12:30,534 --> 00:12:32,417
>> narrator: So how did lilius'
decapitated body
end up in the basement?

479
00:12:32,419 --> 00:12:34,002
Decapitated body
end up in the basement?
The scene offers detectives

480
00:12:34,004 --> 00:12:36,037
end up in the basement?
The scene offers detectives
a few telltale clues.

481
00:12:36,039 --> 00:12:36,621
The scene offers detectives
a few telltale clues.
>> everything looked

482
00:12:36,623 --> 00:12:37,505
a few telltale clues.
>> everything looked
pretty normal

483
00:12:37,507 --> 00:12:38,623
>> everything looked
pretty normal
until they got to the kitchen,

484
00:12:38,625 --> 00:12:39,574
pretty normal
until they got to the kitchen,
and things were a little bit

485
00:12:39,576 --> 00:12:40,842
until they got to the kitchen,
and things were a little bit
in a disarray.

486
00:12:40,844 --> 00:12:42,177
And things were a little bit
in a disarray.
>> they've noticed ladies

487
00:12:42,179 --> 00:12:44,379
in a disarray.
>> they've noticed ladies
slippers that were askew,

488
00:12:44,381 --> 00:12:45,130
>> they've noticed ladies
slippers that were askew,
an earring,

489
00:12:45,132 --> 00:12:46,097
slippers that were askew,
an earring,
and there was blood

490
00:12:46,099 --> 00:12:47,849
an earring,
and there was blood
on the floor.

491
00:12:47,851 --> 00:12:49,017
And there was blood
on the floor.
These could be indications

492
00:12:49,019 --> 00:12:49,851
on the floor.
These could be indications
of a struggle,

493
00:12:49,853 --> 00:12:50,802
these could be indications
of a struggle,
leading detectives to believe

494
00:12:50,804 --> 00:12:52,270
of a struggle,
leading detectives to believe
that the attack on lilius

495
00:12:52,272 --> 00:12:54,656
leading detectives to believe
that the attack on lilius
began in the kitchen.

496
00:12:54,658 --> 00:12:56,524
That the attack on lilius
began in the kitchen.
>> narrator: Detectives theorize

497
00:12:56,526 --> 00:12:58,560
began in the kitchen.
>> narrator: Detectives theorize
that after the initial attack,

498
00:12:58,562 --> 00:12:59,644
>> narrator: Detectives theorize
that after the initial attack,
lilius' assailant

499
00:12:59,646 --> 00:13:02,030
that after the initial attack,
lilius' assailant
had dragged her to the basement.

500
00:13:02,032 --> 00:13:03,114
Lilius' assailant
had dragged her to the basement.
>> there was blood down the

501
00:13:03,116 --> 00:13:04,933
had dragged her to the basement.
>> there was blood down the
stairs leading to the basement,

502
00:13:04,935 --> 00:13:06,785
>> there was blood down the
stairs leading to the basement,
and there were bloody footprints

503
00:13:06,787 --> 00:13:08,453
stairs leading to the basement,
and there were bloody footprints
in that blood.

504
00:13:08,455 --> 00:13:09,788
And there were bloody footprints
in that blood.
>> not just shoe prints,

505
00:13:09,790 --> 00:13:11,573
in that blood.
>> not just shoe prints,
but actual barefoot prints,

506
00:13:11,575 --> 00:13:12,991
>> not just shoe prints,
but actual barefoot prints,
which could help identify

507
00:13:12,993 --> 00:13:14,809
but actual barefoot prints,
which could help identify
the killer.

508
00:13:14,811 --> 00:13:16,144
Which could help identify
the killer.
>> narrator: Lilius' body

509
00:13:16,146 --> 00:13:18,379
the killer.
>> narrator: Lilius' body
provides additional clues.

510
00:13:18,381 --> 00:13:19,664
>> narrator: Lilius' body
provides additional clues.
>> she had been there for quite

511
00:13:19,666 --> 00:13:21,382
provides additional clues.
>> she had been there for quite
some time and was starting

512
00:13:21,384 --> 00:13:23,418
>> she had been there for quite
some time and was starting
to decompose and mummify.

513
00:13:23,420 --> 00:13:24,919
Some time and was starting
to decompose and mummify.
>> narrator: Not far from

514
00:13:24,921 --> 00:13:27,088
to decompose and mummify.
>> narrator: Not far from
lilius' body, detectives make

515
00:13:27,090 --> 00:13:29,090
>> narrator: Not far from
lilius' body, detectives make
one final discovery.

516
00:13:29,092 --> 00:13:30,825
Lilius' body, detectives make
one final discovery.
>> the police found

517
00:13:30,827 --> 00:13:32,427
one final discovery.
>> the police found
a serrated kitchen knife

518
00:13:32,429 --> 00:13:34,679
>> the police found
a serrated kitchen knife
with an 8-inch blade.

519
00:13:34,681 --> 00:13:35,697
A serrated kitchen knife
with an 8-inch blade.
>> narrator: However,

520
00:13:35,699 --> 00:13:37,432
with an 8-inch blade.
>> narrator: However,
in all their searching,

521
00:13:37,434 --> 00:13:39,234
>> narrator: However,
in all their searching,
there's one thing missing.

522
00:13:39,236 --> 00:13:40,768
In all their searching,
there's one thing missing.
>> they couldn't find tony.

523
00:13:40,770 --> 00:13:42,654
There's one thing missing.
>> they couldn't find tony.
He was nowhere to be found.

524
00:13:42,656 --> 00:13:43,688
>> they couldn't find tony.
He was nowhere to be found.
>> like, he just vanished

525
00:13:43,690 --> 00:13:44,572
he was nowhere to be found.
>> like, he just vanished
and didn't take

526
00:13:44,574 --> 00:13:46,174
>> like, he just vanished
and didn't take
any of his belongings with him.

527
00:13:46,176 --> 00:13:48,243
And didn't take
any of his belongings with him.
>> is tony another victim that

528
00:13:48,245 --> 00:13:50,111
any of his belongings with him.
>> is tony another victim that
they need to be looking for,

529
00:13:50,113 --> 00:13:51,696
>> is tony another victim that
they need to be looking for,
or is he somehow involved?

530
00:13:51,698 --> 00:13:53,281
They need to be looking for,
or is he somehow involved?
Is he the killer?

531
00:13:53,283 --> 00:13:54,749
Or is he somehow involved?
Is he the killer?
They're not sure.

532
00:13:54,751 --> 00:13:55,950
Is he the killer?
They're not sure.
>> narrator: While detectives

533
00:13:55,952 --> 00:13:58,203
they're not sure.
>> narrator: While detectives
put out an apb on tony,

534
00:13:58,205 --> 00:13:59,687
>> narrator: While detectives
put out an apb on tony,
word of lilius' death

535
00:13:59,689 --> 00:14:01,789
put out an apb on tony,
word of lilius' death
spreads to family and friends.

536
00:14:01,791 --> 00:14:03,424
Word of lilius' death
spreads to family and friends.
>> I was just watching the news,

537
00:14:03,426 --> 00:14:05,660
spreads to family and friends.
>> I was just watching the news,
and I saw lilius' home,

538
00:14:05,662 --> 00:14:06,427
>> I was just watching the news,
and I saw lilius' home,
and I saw that

539
00:14:06,429 --> 00:14:07,862
and I saw lilius' home,
and I saw that
there was a murder there.

540
00:14:08,197 --> 00:14:09,063
>> I got a call telling me,

541
00:14:09,198 --> 00:14:10,331
and I couldn't believe it.

542
00:14:10,449 --> 00:14:11,332
I was in shock.

543
00:14:11,617 --> 00:14:16,004
>> narrator: When word reaches
lilius' parents,
they quickly rush to the scene

544
00:14:16,006 --> 00:14:17,705
lilius' parents,
they quickly rush to the scene
and offer detectives a window

545
00:14:17,707 --> 00:14:18,540
they quickly rush to the scene
and offer detectives a window
for when the murder

546
00:14:18,542 --> 00:14:19,574
and offer detectives a window
for when the murder
could have occurred.

547
00:14:19,576 --> 00:14:20,708
For when the murder
could have occurred.
>> lilius' mother tells

548
00:14:20,710 --> 00:14:22,010
could have occurred.
>> lilius' mother tells
detectives that the last time

549
00:14:22,012 --> 00:14:23,211
>> lilius' mother tells
detectives that the last time
that she saw lilius

550
00:14:23,213 --> 00:14:25,129
detectives that the last time
that she saw lilius
is on Tuesday, March 24th,

551
00:14:25,131 --> 00:14:26,431
that she saw lilius
is on Tuesday, March 24th,
when she had dinner with lilius

552
00:14:26,433 --> 00:14:27,215
is on Tuesday, March 24th,
when she had dinner with lilius
and tony.

553
00:14:27,217 --> 00:14:28,550
When she had dinner with lilius
and tony.
>> was their anything odd

554
00:14:28,552 --> 00:14:30,802
and tony.
>> was their anything odd
about their behavior that night?

555
00:14:30,804 --> 00:14:32,220
>> was their anything odd
about their behavior that night?
>> no, not really,

556
00:14:32,222 --> 00:14:34,856
about their behavior that night?
>> no, not really,
but come to think of it...

557
00:14:34,858 --> 00:14:36,357
>> no, not really,
but come to think of it...
>> her mother says lilius seemed

558
00:14:36,359 --> 00:14:37,825
but come to think of it...
>> her mother says lilius seemed
to be normal, but tony

559
00:14:37,827 --> 00:14:39,944
>> her mother says lilius seemed
to be normal, but tony
was acting a bit anxious.

560
00:14:39,946 --> 00:14:41,062
To be normal, but tony
was acting a bit anxious.
>> the night that they

561
00:14:41,064 --> 00:14:42,530
was acting a bit anxious.
>> the night that they
came over for dinner,

562
00:14:42,532 --> 00:14:45,116
>> the night that they
came over for dinner,
he started rambling.

563
00:14:45,118 --> 00:14:46,734
Came over for dinner,
he started rambling.
He prayed over the food, and it

564
00:14:46,736 --> 00:14:48,453
he started rambling.
He prayed over the food, and it
took so long for him to pray.

565
00:14:48,455 --> 00:14:49,737
He prayed over the food, and it
took so long for him to pray.
>> she finds it hard to believe

566
00:14:49,739 --> 00:14:51,072
took so long for him to pray.
>> she finds it hard to believe
that tony would be responsible

567
00:14:51,074 --> 00:14:52,240
>> she finds it hard to believe
that tony would be responsible
for something like this.

568
00:14:52,242 --> 00:14:53,741
That tony would be responsible
for something like this.
She never heard lilius complain

569
00:14:53,743 --> 00:14:54,792
for something like this.
She never heard lilius complain
about their relationship.

570
00:14:54,794 --> 00:14:56,160
She never heard lilius complain
about their relationship.
>> narrator: But if tony

571
00:14:56,162 --> 00:14:59,180
about their relationship.
>> narrator: But if tony
isn't responsible, where is he?

572
00:14:59,182 --> 00:15:00,748
>> narrator: But if tony
isn't responsible, where is he?
>> police wanted to find him,

573
00:15:00,750 --> 00:15:01,583
isn't responsible, where is he?
>> police wanted to find him,
number one,

574
00:15:01,585 --> 00:15:02,817
>> police wanted to find him,
number one,
to make sure that he was alive

575
00:15:02,819 --> 00:15:03,451
number one,
to make sure that he was alive
and had not been

576
00:15:03,453 --> 00:15:04,319
to make sure that he was alive
and had not been
murdered as well,

577
00:15:04,321 --> 00:15:05,253
and had not been
murdered as well,
but he's also someone

578
00:15:05,255 --> 00:15:06,588
murdered as well,
but he's also someone
they really needed to talk to

579
00:15:06,590 --> 00:15:08,306
but he's also someone
they really needed to talk to
as he was close to the victim,

580
00:15:08,308 --> 00:15:09,641
they really needed to talk to
as he was close to the victim,
and they weren't sure whether

581
00:15:09,643 --> 00:15:10,592
as he was close to the victim,
and they weren't sure whether
he had something to do

582
00:15:10,594 --> 00:15:11,893
and they weren't sure whether
he had something to do
with the murder or not.

583
00:15:11,895 --> 00:15:13,227
He had something to do
with the murder or not.
>> police pull tony's criminal

584
00:15:13,229 --> 00:15:14,329
with the murder or not.
>> police pull tony's criminal
record, and they do find

585
00:15:14,331 --> 00:15:15,263
>> police pull tony's criminal
record, and they do find
that he has a small stint

586
00:15:15,265 --> 00:15:16,531
record, and they do find
that he has a small stint
for marijuana possession

587
00:15:16,533 --> 00:15:18,016
that he has a small stint
for marijuana possession
but no violent offenses

588
00:15:18,018 --> 00:15:19,150
for marijuana possession
but no violent offenses
that would make them think

589
00:15:19,152 --> 00:15:20,234
but no violent offenses
that would make them think
that he would be responsible

590
00:15:20,236 --> 00:15:22,604
that would make them think
that he would be responsible
for something of this nature.

591
00:15:22,606 --> 00:15:23,354
That he would be responsible
for something of this nature.
>> narrator:

592
00:15:23,356 --> 00:15:24,739
For something of this nature.
>> narrator:
Hoping for more insight,

593
00:15:24,741 --> 00:15:25,940
>> narrator:
Hoping for more insight,
detectives turn back

594
00:15:25,942 --> 00:15:27,275
hoping for more insight,
detectives turn back
to the crime scene.

595
00:15:27,277 --> 00:15:28,192
Detectives turn back
to the crime scene.
>> they're looking for anything

596
00:15:28,194 --> 00:15:29,160
to the crime scene.
>> they're looking for anything
in the house that could either

597
00:15:29,162 --> 00:15:30,612
>> they're looking for anything
in the house that could either
point to his whereabouts

598
00:15:30,614 --> 00:15:31,646
in the house that could either
point to his whereabouts
or give them an idea

599
00:15:31,648 --> 00:15:33,665
point to his whereabouts
or give them an idea
of what happened to lilius.

600
00:15:33,667 --> 00:15:34,699
Or give them an idea
of what happened to lilius.
>> police find a journal

601
00:15:34,701 --> 00:15:36,034
of what happened to lilius.
>> police find a journal
that included what appear to be

602
00:15:36,036 --> 00:15:36,851
>> police find a journal
that included what appear to be
rap lyrics,

603
00:15:36,853 --> 00:15:38,169
that included what appear to be
rap lyrics,
musical notes or tracks

604
00:15:38,171 --> 00:15:38,953
rap lyrics,
musical notes or tracks
that were connected

605
00:15:38,955 --> 00:15:40,655
musical notes or tracks
that were connected
to eshban chapman.

606
00:15:40,657 --> 00:15:42,006
That were connected
to eshban chapman.
>> eshban?

607
00:15:42,008 --> 00:15:42,790
To eshban chapman.
>> eshban?
That the guy whose car

608
00:15:42,792 --> 00:15:44,342
>> eshban?
That the guy whose car
is out back?

609
00:15:44,344 --> 00:15:45,126
That the guy whose car
is out back?
>> yeah.

610
00:15:45,128 --> 00:15:46,010
Is out back?
>> yeah.
>> narrator: What detectives

611
00:15:46,012 --> 00:15:47,462
>> yeah.
>> narrator: What detectives
find scrawled inside

612
00:15:47,464 --> 00:15:48,296
>> narrator: What detectives
find scrawled inside
the notebook

613
00:15:48,298 --> 00:15:50,465
find scrawled inside
the notebook
determines their next step.

614
00:15:50,467 --> 00:15:51,516
The notebook
determines their next step.
>> some writings appear

615
00:15:51,518 --> 00:15:53,384
determines their next step.
>> some writings appear
to be rap lyrics

616
00:15:53,386 --> 00:15:55,603
>> some writings appear
to be rap lyrics
that said, "off the head."

617
00:15:58,524 --> 00:16:03,494
investigating lilius landrum's
gruesome murder have just
uncovered evidence that may

618
00:16:03,496 --> 00:16:04,762
gruesome murder have just
uncovered evidence that may
point to her husband,

619
00:16:04,764 --> 00:16:06,064
uncovered evidence that may
point to her husband,
tony smith's, friend

620
00:16:06,066 --> 00:16:07,532
point to her husband,
tony smith's, friend
and frequent collaborator

621
00:16:07,534 --> 00:16:08,967
tony smith's, friend
and frequent collaborator
eshban chapman.

622
00:16:09,268 --> 00:16:10,635
>> police find eshban's car

623
00:16:10,803 --> 00:16:11,803
parked behind tony

624
00:16:11,971 --> 00:16:13,638
and lilius' home.

625
00:16:13,772 --> 00:16:15,306
They also find a disturbing

626
00:16:15,474 --> 00:16:17,191
message written in a notebook

627
00:16:17,309 --> 00:16:19,944
they believe is eshban's.

628
00:16:20,079 --> 00:16:21,279
>> the journal had what appear

629
00:16:21,413 --> 00:16:22,947
to be rap lyrics

630
00:16:23,065 --> 00:16:24,615
that included the sentence,

631
00:16:24,733 --> 00:16:27,118
"off the head."

632
00:16:27,403 --> 00:16:30,355
>> narrator: Not wasting
any time,
detectives secure a

633
00:16:30,357 --> 00:16:31,873
any time,
detectives secure a
search warrant and immediately

634
00:16:31,875 --> 00:16:34,042
detectives secure a
search warrant and immediately
descend on eshban's home.

635
00:16:34,044 --> 00:16:34,659
Search warrant and immediately
descend on eshban's home.
>> police!

636
00:16:34,661 --> 00:16:36,928
Descend on eshban's home.
>> police!
Search warrant!

637
00:16:36,930 --> 00:16:37,595
>> police!
Search warrant!
Get down.

638
00:16:37,597 --> 00:16:38,229
Search warrant!
Get down.
Get down right now!

639
00:16:38,231 --> 00:16:38,930
Get down.
Get down right now!
All the way down!

640
00:16:38,932 --> 00:16:40,098
Get down right now!
All the way down!
All the way down!

641
00:16:40,382 --> 00:16:41,532
>> they raided my mother's house

642
00:16:41,667 --> 00:16:42,333
because that's where eshban

643
00:16:42,468 --> 00:16:44,052
stayed at the time.

644
00:16:44,169 --> 00:16:45,169
>> I was in fear.

645
00:16:45,304 --> 00:16:45,920
It was just...

646
00:16:46,071 --> 00:16:47,672
It was just crazy.

647
00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:49,474
It was just crazy.

648
00:16:49,775 --> 00:16:54,062
>> narrator: With the home clear
and eshban cooperating,
detectives ask him to answer

649
00:16:54,064 --> 00:16:55,313
and eshban cooperating,
detectives ask him to answer
a few questions.

650
00:16:55,315 --> 00:16:57,015
Detectives ask him to answer
a few questions.
>> is this your journal?

651
00:16:57,017 --> 00:16:57,849
A few questions.
>> is this your journal?
>> no.

652
00:16:57,851 --> 00:16:58,683
>> is this your journal?
>> no.
I've never seen that before

653
00:16:58,685 --> 00:17:00,351
>> no.
I've never seen that before
in my life.

654
00:17:00,353 --> 00:17:01,652
I've never seen that before
in my life.
>> eshban claims he has nothing

655
00:17:01,654 --> 00:17:02,620
in my life.
>> eshban claims he has nothing
to do with the murder.

656
00:17:02,622 --> 00:17:03,604
>> eshban claims he has nothing
to do with the murder.
He swears that the writings

657
00:17:03,606 --> 00:17:05,189
to do with the murder.
He swears that the writings
are not his, and he's not sure

658
00:17:05,191 --> 00:17:06,858
he swears that the writings
are not his, and he's not sure
who it belongs to.

659
00:17:06,860 --> 00:17:08,926
Are not his, and he's not sure
who it belongs to.
>> I had no clue.

660
00:17:08,928 --> 00:17:10,028
Who it belongs to.
>> I had no clue.
And it's scary at the same time

661
00:17:10,030 --> 00:17:10,828
>> I had no clue.
And it's scary at the same time
because no one knew

662
00:17:10,830 --> 00:17:11,779
and it's scary at the same time
because no one knew
what was going on.

663
00:17:11,781 --> 00:17:13,998
Because no one knew
what was going on.
>> I have no idea where tony is.

664
00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:14,832
What was going on.
>> I have no idea where tony is.
I've been looking for him

665
00:17:14,834 --> 00:17:16,467
>> I have no idea where tony is.
I've been looking for him
for more than a week.

666
00:17:16,469 --> 00:17:17,785
I've been looking for him
for more than a week.
>> which was unusual considering

667
00:17:17,787 --> 00:17:18,536
for more than a week.
>> which was unusual considering
they were getting ready

668
00:17:18,538 --> 00:17:20,872
>> which was unusual considering
they were getting ready
for this large showcase.

669
00:17:20,874 --> 00:17:21,923
They were getting ready
for this large showcase.
>> this was the time

670
00:17:21,925 --> 00:17:23,124
for this large showcase.
>> this was the time
where we were kind

671
00:17:23,126 --> 00:17:25,043
>> this was the time
where we were kind
of finalizing some deals,

672
00:17:25,045 --> 00:17:25,676
where we were kind
of finalizing some deals,
trying to finalize

673
00:17:25,678 --> 00:17:26,377
of finalizing some deals,
trying to finalize
the paperwork,

674
00:17:26,379 --> 00:17:27,178
trying to finalize
the paperwork,
and we just never...

675
00:17:27,180 --> 00:17:27,879
The paperwork,
and we just never...
We didn't hear from him.

676
00:17:27,881 --> 00:17:29,280
And we just never...
We didn't hear from him.
>> narrator: If eshban

677
00:17:29,282 --> 00:17:31,182
we didn't hear from him.
>> narrator: If eshban
hadn't heard from tony or lilius

678
00:17:31,184 --> 00:17:33,634
>> narrator: If eshban
hadn't heard from tony or lilius
for several days, why is his car

679
00:17:33,636 --> 00:17:35,553
hadn't heard from tony or lilius
for several days, why is his car
still parked outside their home?

680
00:17:35,854 --> 00:17:36,988
>> his car had broken down

681
00:17:37,122 --> 00:17:38,356
at lilius and tony's,

682
00:17:38,474 --> 00:17:39,390
and he'd left it there until

683
00:17:39,525 --> 00:17:40,274
he could go back to fix it.

684
00:17:40,559 --> 00:17:45,196
>> narrator: Eshban also tells
police that tony had been
acting strange in the days

685
00:17:45,198 --> 00:17:46,898
police that tony had been
acting strange in the days
prior to his disappearance.

686
00:17:46,900 --> 00:17:49,117
Acting strange in the days
prior to his disappearance.
>> last time I saw him he seemed

687
00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:50,835
prior to his disappearance.
>> last time I saw him he seemed
paranoid, said there was

688
00:17:50,837 --> 00:17:53,271
>> last time I saw him he seemed
paranoid, said there was
some people looking for him.

689
00:17:53,273 --> 00:17:54,739
Paranoid, said there was
some people looking for him.
>> I was kind of fearful.

690
00:17:54,741 --> 00:17:56,207
Some people looking for him.
>> I was kind of fearful.
At one point, I was thinking,

691
00:17:56,209 --> 00:17:57,708
>> I was kind of fearful.
At one point, I was thinking,
"what if there's some type of,

692
00:17:57,710 --> 00:18:00,828
at one point, I was thinking,
"what if there's some type of,
like, person out to get us?"

693
00:18:00,830 --> 00:18:01,712
"what if there's some type of,
like, person out to get us?"
>> to be honest, I think

694
00:18:01,714 --> 00:18:04,248
like, person out to get us?"
>> to be honest, I think
he could be on the run himself.

695
00:18:04,250 --> 00:18:04,882
>> to be honest, I think
he could be on the run himself.
He could've been

696
00:18:04,884 --> 00:18:07,051
he could be on the run himself.
He could've been
murdered himself.

697
00:18:07,053 --> 00:18:08,636
He could've been
murdered himself.
>> narrator: While eshban's

698
00:18:08,638 --> 00:18:10,088
murdered himself.
>> narrator: While eshban's
theories raise new questions

699
00:18:10,090 --> 00:18:11,255
>> narrator: While eshban's
theories raise new questions
for detectives,

700
00:18:11,257 --> 00:18:12,323
theories raise new questions
for detectives,
they know one things

701
00:18:12,325 --> 00:18:13,458
for detectives,
they know one things
for certain.

702
00:18:13,460 --> 00:18:16,144
They know one things
for certain.
Eshban isn't lilius' killer.

703
00:18:16,146 --> 00:18:17,145
For certain.
Eshban isn't lilius' killer.
>> when detectives compare

704
00:18:17,147 --> 00:18:18,679
eshban isn't lilius' killer.
>> when detectives compare
eshban's foot to the prints

705
00:18:18,681 --> 00:18:20,481
>> when detectives compare
eshban's foot to the prints
they found in lilius' blood,

706
00:18:20,483 --> 00:18:23,067
eshban's foot to the prints
they found in lilius' blood,
they're not a match.

707
00:18:23,069 --> 00:18:24,068
They found in lilius' blood,
they're not a match.
>> narrator: With eshban

708
00:18:24,070 --> 00:18:25,770
they're not a match.
>> narrator: With eshban
cleared, detectives are back

709
00:18:25,772 --> 00:18:27,371
>> narrator: With eshban
cleared, detectives are back
at square one,

710
00:18:27,373 --> 00:18:28,940
cleared, detectives are back
at square one,
but when they receive lilius'

711
00:18:28,942 --> 00:18:30,908
at square one,
but when they receive lilius'
autopsy the next morning,

712
00:18:30,910 --> 00:18:32,777
but when they receive lilius'
autopsy the next morning,
they learn startling new details

713
00:18:32,779 --> 00:18:35,246
autopsy the next morning,
they learn startling new details
about the crime.

714
00:18:35,531 --> 00:18:36,497
>> based on the condition

715
00:18:36,615 --> 00:18:38,950
of the body, they estimated

716
00:18:39,084 --> 00:18:40,418
that it was probably about

717
00:18:40,536 --> 00:18:41,953
9 days that her body

718
00:18:42,087 --> 00:18:43,504
had been in the house

719
00:18:43,622 --> 00:18:45,890
before she was found.

720
00:18:46,175 --> 00:18:48,876
>> two of her fingernails
were broken,
and they assumed that a struggle

721
00:18:48,878 --> 00:18:51,129
were broken,
and they assumed that a struggle
must have occurred.

722
00:18:51,131 --> 00:18:53,181
And they assumed that a struggle
must have occurred.
>> the official cause of death

723
00:18:53,183 --> 00:18:54,715
must have occurred.
>> the official cause of death
were knife wounds to the neck.

724
00:18:54,717 --> 00:18:56,934
>> the official cause of death
were knife wounds to the neck.
>> narrator: Though the report

725
00:18:56,936 --> 00:18:58,436
were knife wounds to the neck.
>> narrator: Though the report
fails to truly capture

726
00:18:58,438 --> 00:19:00,888
>> narrator: Though the report
fails to truly capture
the horror that lilius endured.

727
00:19:00,890 --> 00:19:02,106
Fails to truly capture
the horror that lilius endured.
>> lilius was still alive

728
00:19:02,108 --> 00:19:04,709
the horror that lilius endured.
>> lilius was still alive
when the decapitation occurred.

729
00:19:04,711 --> 00:19:05,810
>> lilius was still alive
when the decapitation occurred.
The serrated kitchen knife

730
00:19:05,812 --> 00:19:06,944
when the decapitation occurred.
The serrated kitchen knife
that was found at the scene

731
00:19:06,946 --> 00:19:08,846
the serrated kitchen knife
that was found at the scene
was the murder weapon.

732
00:19:08,848 --> 00:19:10,031
That was found at the scene
was the murder weapon.
>> just think about the length

733
00:19:10,033 --> 00:19:11,199
was the murder weapon.
>> just think about the length
of time it would take

734
00:19:11,201 --> 00:19:12,200
>> just think about the length
of time it would take
with a kitchen knife

735
00:19:12,202 --> 00:19:14,619
of time it would take
with a kitchen knife
to saw someone's head completely

736
00:19:14,621 --> 00:19:17,071
with a kitchen knife
to saw someone's head completely
off, to sever it from the body.

737
00:19:17,073 --> 00:19:18,489
To saw someone's head completely
off, to sever it from the body.
>> this is an act of intense

738
00:19:18,491 --> 00:19:19,907
off, to sever it from the body.
>> this is an act of intense
determination and anger.

739
00:19:19,909 --> 00:19:21,325
>> this is an act of intense
determination and anger.
>> police suspected

740
00:19:21,327 --> 00:19:22,493
determination and anger.
>> police suspected
that this was in fact

741
00:19:22,495 --> 00:19:24,962
>> police suspected
that this was in fact
someone that she knew.

742
00:19:24,964 --> 00:19:25,796
That this was in fact
someone that she knew.
>> narrator: With tony

743
00:19:25,798 --> 00:19:27,532
someone that she knew.
>> narrator: With tony
still unaccounted for,

744
00:19:27,534 --> 00:19:28,833
>> narrator: With tony
still unaccounted for,
detectives decide to take

745
00:19:28,835 --> 00:19:31,085
still unaccounted for,
detectives decide to take
a closer look at his record.

746
00:19:31,087 --> 00:19:32,720
Detectives decide to take
a closer look at his record.
Tony had grown up in columbus,

747
00:19:32,722 --> 00:19:34,005
a closer look at his record.
Tony had grown up in columbus,
and he certainly did not have

748
00:19:34,007 --> 00:19:36,224
tony had grown up in columbus,
and he certainly did not have
an easy childhood.

749
00:19:36,226 --> 00:19:37,708
And he certainly did not have
an easy childhood.
>> children's services had to be

750
00:19:37,710 --> 00:19:39,510
an easy childhood.
>> children's services had to be
involved with the family.

751
00:19:39,512 --> 00:19:40,845
>> children's services had to be
involved with the family.
>> tony was actually raised by

752
00:19:40,847 --> 00:19:42,446
involved with the family.
>> tony was actually raised by
his grandmother at that point.

753
00:19:42,448 --> 00:19:44,015
>> tony was actually raised by
his grandmother at that point.
Tony still got involved

754
00:19:44,017 --> 00:19:46,250
his grandmother at that point.
Tony still got involved
in drugs and gangs.

755
00:19:46,252 --> 00:19:48,069
Tony still got involved
in drugs and gangs.
>> previous to meeting lilius,

756
00:19:48,071 --> 00:19:49,820
in drugs and gangs.
>> previous to meeting lilius,
tony smith had a few minor

757
00:19:49,822 --> 00:19:51,689
>> previous to meeting lilius,
tony smith had a few minor
run-ins with the law related

758
00:19:51,691 --> 00:19:52,957
tony smith had a few minor
run-ins with the law related
to low-level offenses

759
00:19:52,959 --> 00:19:54,492
run-ins with the law related
to low-level offenses
such as marijuana possession

760
00:19:54,494 --> 00:19:55,826
to low-level offenses
such as marijuana possession
but nothing major.

761
00:19:55,828 --> 00:19:57,278
Such as marijuana possession
but nothing major.
>> narrator: When detectives

762
00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:58,996
but nothing major.
>> narrator: When detectives
follow up with lilius and tony's

763
00:19:58,998 --> 00:20:00,998
>> narrator: When detectives
follow up with lilius and tony's
friend elizabeth morris,

764
00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,750
follow up with lilius and tony's
friend elizabeth morris,
she says tony had given up

765
00:20:02,752 --> 00:20:05,002
friend elizabeth morris,
she says tony had given up
that life when he found god.

766
00:20:05,004 --> 00:20:06,087
She says tony had given up
that life when he found god.
>> elizabeth was the woman

767
00:20:06,089 --> 00:20:07,455
that life when he found god.
>> elizabeth was the woman
who left the note and her

768
00:20:07,457 --> 00:20:09,790
>> elizabeth was the woman
who left the note and her
phone number in lilius' mailbox.

769
00:20:09,792 --> 00:20:10,675
Who left the note and her
phone number in lilius' mailbox.
>> she knew them both

770
00:20:10,677 --> 00:20:12,510
phone number in lilius' mailbox.
>> she knew them both
through their job at kent state.

771
00:20:12,512 --> 00:20:13,427
>> she knew them both
through their job at kent state.
>> I can't imagine tony

772
00:20:13,429 --> 00:20:14,879
through their job at kent state.
>> I can't imagine tony
hurting lilius.

773
00:20:14,881 --> 00:20:16,047
>> I can't imagine tony
hurting lilius.
He was really dedicated

774
00:20:16,049 --> 00:20:17,932
hurting lilius.
He was really dedicated
to christ and his music,

775
00:20:17,934 --> 00:20:20,635
he was really dedicated
to christ and his music,
and he just loved her.

776
00:20:20,637 --> 00:20:21,552
To christ and his music,
and he just loved her.
>> elizabeth explained

777
00:20:21,554 --> 00:20:22,386
and he just loved her.
>> elizabeth explained
to the detectives

778
00:20:22,388 --> 00:20:23,638
>> elizabeth explained
to the detectives
that she went looking for lilius

779
00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:24,555
to the detectives
that she went looking for lilius
but couldn't find her,

780
00:20:24,557 --> 00:20:26,257
that she went looking for lilius
but couldn't find her,
so that's why she left the note.

781
00:20:26,259 --> 00:20:28,109
But couldn't find her,
so that's why she left the note.
>> this was around March 29th,

782
00:20:28,111 --> 00:20:30,027
so that's why she left the note.
>> this was around March 29th,
5 days before lilius' body

783
00:20:30,029 --> 00:20:31,112
>> this was around March 29th,
5 days before lilius' body
was found.

784
00:20:31,114 --> 00:20:32,530
5 days before lilius' body
was found.
>> and you're sure tony couldn't

785
00:20:32,532 --> 00:20:35,283
was found.
>> and you're sure tony couldn't
have anything to do with this?

786
00:20:35,285 --> 00:20:36,200
>> and you're sure tony couldn't
have anything to do with this?
>> he just doesn't strike me

787
00:20:36,202 --> 00:20:37,118
have anything to do with this?
>> he just doesn't strike me
as a killer.

788
00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:39,070
>> he just doesn't strike me
as a killer.
>> narrator: A sentiment lilius'

789
00:20:39,072 --> 00:20:41,038
as a killer.
>> narrator: A sentiment lilius'
friend donna simpson gouamba

790
00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:42,240
>> narrator: A sentiment lilius'
friend donna simpson gouamba
echoes when she meets with

791
00:20:42,242 --> 00:20:44,242
friend donna simpson gouamba
echoes when she meets with
police later that afternoon.

792
00:20:44,543 --> 00:20:45,209
>> tony was a really

793
00:20:45,327 --> 00:20:46,244
level-headed guy

794
00:20:46,411 --> 00:20:49,080
and jovial and easygoing.

795
00:20:49,381 --> 00:20:52,216
>> she just couldn't
imagine him being involved
in something like this.

796
00:20:52,218 --> 00:20:53,417
Imagine him being involved
in something like this.
>> narrator: But when detectives

797
00:20:53,419 --> 00:20:54,752
in something like this.
>> narrator: But when detectives
mentioned the gruesome nature

798
00:20:54,754 --> 00:20:55,920
>> narrator: But when detectives
mentioned the gruesome nature
of the crime,

799
00:20:55,922 --> 00:20:57,888
mentioned the gruesome nature
of the crime,
donna is suddenly certain.

800
00:20:57,890 --> 00:20:59,840
Of the crime,
donna is suddenly certain.
>> it came out that she was

801
00:20:59,842 --> 00:21:01,592
donna is suddenly certain.
>> it came out that she was
decapitated,

802
00:21:01,594 --> 00:21:03,761
>> it came out that she was
decapitated,
and I immediately said,

803
00:21:03,763 --> 00:21:05,346
decapitated,
and I immediately said,
"oh, well, I know who did it.

804
00:21:05,348 --> 00:21:05,930
And I immediately said,
"oh, well, I know who did it.
I know who did it.

805
00:21:05,932 --> 00:21:06,797
"oh, well, I know who did it.
I know who did it.
It was richard."

806
00:21:06,799 --> 00:21:08,599
I know who did it.
It was richard."
>> narrator: Richard mcbride,

807
00:21:08,601 --> 00:21:09,567
it was richard."
>> narrator: Richard mcbride,
the ex-con,

808
00:21:09,569 --> 00:21:11,502
>> narrator: Richard mcbride,
the ex-con,
who lilius had taken in prior

809
00:21:11,504 --> 00:21:12,770
the ex-con,
who lilius had taken in prior
to meeting tony.

810
00:21:12,772 --> 00:21:14,171
Who lilius had taken in prior
to meeting tony.
>> he would bring up things that

811
00:21:14,173 --> 00:21:16,324
to meeting tony.
>> he would bring up things that
were very gruesome and alarming,

812
00:21:16,326 --> 00:21:17,942
>> he would bring up things that
were very gruesome and alarming,
things that really you would not

813
00:21:17,944 --> 00:21:19,360
were very gruesome and alarming,
things that really you would not
discuss with someone else.

814
00:21:19,362 --> 00:21:21,162
Things that really you would not
discuss with someone else.
>> he witnessed a murder

815
00:21:21,164 --> 00:21:22,330
discuss with someone else.
>> he witnessed a murder
in jail.

816
00:21:22,332 --> 00:21:24,248
>> he witnessed a murder
in jail.
Apparently there was a riot.

817
00:21:24,250 --> 00:21:26,917
In jail.
Apparently there was a riot.
Somebody was decapitated, and

818
00:21:26,919 --> 00:21:28,886
apparently there was a riot.
Somebody was decapitated, and
it was very traumatizing to him.

819
00:21:28,888 --> 00:21:30,037
Somebody was decapitated, and
it was very traumatizing to him.
>> richard had fallen off

820
00:21:30,039 --> 00:21:30,855
it was very traumatizing to him.
>> richard had fallen off
the radar

821
00:21:30,857 --> 00:21:31,956
>> richard had fallen off
the radar
when tony came into picture.

822
00:21:31,958 --> 00:21:32,757
The radar
when tony came into picture.
>> what's he doing here?

823
00:21:32,759 --> 00:21:33,791
When tony came into picture.
>> what's he doing here?
>> perhaps he was jealous.

824
00:21:33,793 --> 00:21:34,792
>> what's he doing here?
>> perhaps he was jealous.
>> I immediately thought,

825
00:21:34,794 --> 00:21:36,093
>> perhaps he was jealous.
>> I immediately thought,
"well, it has to be him."

826
00:22:15,283 --> 00:22:17,284
>> narrator: April 4, 1998 --

827
00:22:17,402 --> 00:22:18,719
it's been 24 hours since

828
00:22:18,854 --> 00:22:20,721
a neighbor found lilius landrum

829
00:22:20,856 --> 00:22:22,056
dead in her akron, ohio,

830
00:22:22,190 --> 00:22:23,824
home, and her friend,

831
00:22:23,959 --> 00:22:25,126
donna simpson gouamba,

832
00:22:25,243 --> 00:22:26,660
has just given detectives

833
00:22:26,828 --> 00:22:27,995
a new person of interest

834
00:22:28,163 --> 00:22:29,830
in their investigation.

835
00:22:29,965 --> 00:22:30,998
>> donna tells detectives that

836
00:22:31,166 --> 00:22:32,800
she believes richard mcbride,

837
00:22:32,918 --> 00:22:34,335
and ex-con that lilius briefly

838
00:22:34,503 --> 00:22:37,221
took in, is behind the murder.

839
00:22:37,339 --> 00:22:38,255
>> donna told police that,

840
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:39,090
while in prison,

841
00:22:39,224 --> 00:22:40,341
there was a prison riot,

842
00:22:40,475 --> 00:22:41,726
and at that time he witnessed

843
00:22:41,843 --> 00:22:43,310
someone being decapitated.

844
00:22:43,428 --> 00:22:44,678
Richard obviously suffered

845
00:22:44,813 --> 00:22:46,647
from ptsd.

846
00:22:46,782 --> 00:22:48,599
>> he obsessed over this person

847
00:22:48,734 --> 00:22:50,267
getting their head cut off.

848
00:22:50,402 --> 00:22:52,019
It's too much of a coincidence.

849
00:22:52,154 --> 00:22:53,738
It's got to be richard.

850
00:22:53,855 --> 00:22:54,855
>> narrator: Detectives are

851
00:22:54,990 --> 00:22:56,240
inclined to agree.

852
00:22:56,358 --> 00:22:57,391
>> he certainly might've had

853
00:22:57,526 --> 00:22:58,442
a motive because

854
00:22:58,577 --> 00:23:00,361
he had been living with lilius.

855
00:23:00,529 --> 00:23:02,496
>> it seemed like just as soon

856
00:23:02,614 --> 00:23:05,166
as tony came to the scene,

857
00:23:05,300 --> 00:23:08,369
richard was gone.

858
00:23:08,503 --> 00:23:09,253
>> apparently there was some

859
00:23:09,371 --> 00:23:10,738
friction when tony started

860
00:23:10,872 --> 00:23:12,907
working with lilius.

861
00:23:13,208 --> 00:23:15,376
>> tony would come over
to the house,
and they would work on different

862
00:23:15,378 --> 00:23:16,961
to the house,
and they would work on different
youth programs together,

863
00:23:16,963 --> 00:23:18,179
and they would work on different
youth programs together,
but richard was not happy

864
00:23:18,181 --> 00:23:18,913
youth programs together,
but richard was not happy
with this.

865
00:23:18,915 --> 00:23:20,247
But richard was not happy
with this.
He became very jealous.

866
00:23:20,249 --> 00:23:21,715
With this.
He became very jealous.
>> what's he doing here again?

867
00:23:21,717 --> 00:23:23,050
He became very jealous.
>> what's he doing here again?
>> I told you he's my friend.

868
00:23:23,052 --> 00:23:24,051
>> what's he doing here again?
>> I told you he's my friend.
>> I want him out.

869
00:23:24,053 --> 00:23:24,685
>> I told you he's my friend.
>> I want him out.
>> what do you mean

870
00:23:24,687 --> 00:23:25,319
>> I want him out.
>> what do you mean
you want him out?

871
00:23:25,321 --> 00:23:25,986
>> what do you mean
you want him out?
>> I want him out.

872
00:23:25,988 --> 00:23:26,620
You want him out?
>> I want him out.
>> this is my house.

873
00:23:26,622 --> 00:23:27,221
>> I want him out.
>> this is my house.
You can't...

874
00:23:27,223 --> 00:23:27,855
>> this is my house.
You can't...
>> look, bro...

875
00:23:27,857 --> 00:23:28,522
You can't...
>> look, bro...
>> she invited me.

876
00:23:28,524 --> 00:23:29,190
>> look, bro...
>> she invited me.
>> I don't care

877
00:23:29,192 --> 00:23:29,824
>> she invited me.
>> I don't care
if she invited you.

878
00:23:29,826 --> 00:23:30,357
>> I don't care
if she invited you.
Do you live here?

879
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:31,125
If she invited you.
Do you live here?
>> get out.

880
00:23:31,127 --> 00:23:32,860
Do you live here?
>> get out.
>> richard eventually instigates

881
00:23:32,862 --> 00:23:34,779
>> get out.
>> richard eventually instigates
a huge argument with tony, and

882
00:23:34,781 --> 00:23:36,697
>> richard eventually instigates
a huge argument with tony, and
it got so bad that lilius told

883
00:23:36,699 --> 00:23:37,731
a huge argument with tony, and
it got so bad that lilius told
richard to leave.

884
00:23:37,733 --> 00:23:39,200
It got so bad that lilius told
richard to leave.
>> she had kicked him out

885
00:23:39,202 --> 00:23:40,868
richard to leave.
>> she had kicked him out
at tony's request,

886
00:23:40,870 --> 00:23:41,735
>> she had kicked him out
at tony's request,
so it was possible

887
00:23:41,737 --> 00:23:43,737
at tony's request,
so it was possible
that he was enraged

888
00:23:43,739 --> 00:23:44,955
so it was possible
that he was enraged
because he had been kicked

889
00:23:44,957 --> 00:23:46,774
that he was enraged
because he had been kicked
out of his place to live,

890
00:23:46,776 --> 00:23:48,209
because he had been kicked
out of his place to live,
and he was mad and came back

891
00:23:48,211 --> 00:23:49,510
out of his place to live,
and he was mad and came back
and got revenge.

892
00:23:49,512 --> 00:23:50,661
And he was mad and came back
and got revenge.
>> I think he just snapped

893
00:23:50,663 --> 00:23:52,246
and got revenge.
>> I think he just snapped
and did that to lilius.

894
00:23:52,248 --> 00:23:53,914
>> I think he just snapped
and did that to lilius.
I said, "he probably

895
00:23:53,916 --> 00:23:54,799
and did that to lilius.
I said, "he probably
killed tony, too.

896
00:23:54,801 --> 00:23:55,833
I said, "he probably
killed tony, too.
You might find him in the back

897
00:23:55,835 --> 00:23:57,418
killed tony, too.
You might find him in the back
of a trunk somewhere."

898
00:23:59,087 --> 00:24:04,358
>> narrator: Detectives spend
the next 24 hours
tracking richard mcbride down.

899
00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:05,626
The next 24 hours
tracking richard mcbride down.
>> unlike tony, richard has

900
00:24:05,628 --> 00:24:08,145
tracking richard mcbride down.
>> unlike tony, richard has
a violent felony on his record.

901
00:24:08,147 --> 00:24:09,480
>> unlike tony, richard has
a violent felony on his record.
The only reason he got out

902
00:24:09,482 --> 00:24:10,764
a violent felony on his record.
The only reason he got out
of prison early

903
00:24:10,766 --> 00:24:11,899
the only reason he got out
of prison early
was because he was willing

904
00:24:11,901 --> 00:24:13,267
of prison early
was because he was willing
to testify against

905
00:24:13,269 --> 00:24:15,152
was because he was willing
to testify against
some of his fellow inmates

906
00:24:15,154 --> 00:24:17,705
to testify against
some of his fellow inmates
who participated in the riot.

907
00:24:17,707 --> 00:24:18,772
Some of his fellow inmates
who participated in the riot.
>> narrator: When detectives

908
00:24:18,774 --> 00:24:19,690
who participated in the riot.
>> narrator: When detectives
finally get richard

909
00:24:19,692 --> 00:24:21,358
>> narrator: When detectives
finally get richard
into the interrogation room,

910
00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:22,610
finally get richard
into the interrogation room,
he's adamant they've got

911
00:24:22,612 --> 00:24:23,611
into the interrogation room,
he's adamant they've got
the wrong guy.

912
00:24:23,613 --> 00:24:24,445
He's adamant they've got
the wrong guy.
>> whoa, whoa, whoa.

913
00:24:24,447 --> 00:24:26,363
The wrong guy.
>> whoa, whoa, whoa.
I had nothing to do with this.

914
00:24:26,365 --> 00:24:27,448
>> whoa, whoa, whoa.
I had nothing to do with this.
>> richard claims that until

915
00:24:27,450 --> 00:24:28,699
I had nothing to do with this.
>> richard claims that until
detectives told him,

916
00:24:28,701 --> 00:24:29,450
>> richard claims that until
detectives told him,
he didn't even know

917
00:24:29,452 --> 00:24:31,785
detectives told him,
he didn't even know
lilius was dead.

918
00:24:31,787 --> 00:24:33,120
He didn't even know
lilius was dead.
>> he's genuinely devastated

919
00:24:33,122 --> 00:24:34,672
lilius was dead.
>> he's genuinely devastated
by the news, too.

920
00:24:34,674 --> 00:24:35,422
>> he's genuinely devastated
by the news, too.
Even though

921
00:24:35,424 --> 00:24:36,423
by the news, too.
Even though
they had a falling out,

922
00:24:36,425 --> 00:24:37,708
even though
they had a falling out,
lilius had been there for him

923
00:24:37,710 --> 00:24:40,344
they had a falling out,
lilius had been there for him
in a way that nobody else had.

924
00:24:40,346 --> 00:24:41,428
Lilius had been there for him
in a way that nobody else had.
>> I was down in cincinnati

925
00:24:41,430 --> 00:24:42,296
in a way that nobody else had.
>> I was down in cincinnati
at my brother's.

926
00:24:42,298 --> 00:24:45,132
>> I was down in cincinnati
at my brother's.
You can call him if you want.

927
00:24:45,134 --> 00:24:46,467
At my brother's.
You can call him if you want.
>> he actually has an alibi

928
00:24:46,469 --> 00:24:47,551
you can call him if you want.
>> he actually has an alibi
for the time line

929
00:24:47,553 --> 00:24:49,270
>> he actually has an alibi
for the time line
in which lilius was murdered.

930
00:24:49,272 --> 00:24:50,638
For the time line
in which lilius was murdered.
>> narrator: Richard's alibi

931
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:51,639
in which lilius was murdered.
>> narrator: Richard's alibi
isn't the only thing

932
00:24:51,641 --> 00:24:53,240
>> narrator: Richard's alibi
isn't the only thing
that rules him out.

933
00:24:53,242 --> 00:24:54,391
Isn't the only thing
that rules him out.
>> his footprints didn't match

934
00:24:54,393 --> 00:24:55,359
that rules him out.
>> his footprints didn't match
the footprints found

935
00:24:55,361 --> 00:24:57,061
>> his footprints didn't match
the footprints found
at the scene.

936
00:24:57,063 --> 00:24:57,978
The footprints found
at the scene.
>> narrator: With richard

937
00:24:57,980 --> 00:24:59,647
at the scene.
>> narrator: With richard
cleared, detectives doubled

938
00:24:59,649 --> 00:25:01,982
>> narrator: With richard
cleared, detectives doubled
down on their search for tony.

939
00:25:01,984 --> 00:25:02,816
Cleared, detectives doubled
down on their search for tony.
>> the manhunt for him

940
00:25:02,818 --> 00:25:04,151
down on their search for tony.
>> the manhunt for him
was pretty intense.

941
00:25:04,153 --> 00:25:05,236
>> the manhunt for him
was pretty intense.
The police were actively

942
00:25:05,238 --> 00:25:06,537
was pretty intense.
The police were actively
looking for any sign

943
00:25:06,539 --> 00:25:07,571
the police were actively
looking for any sign
of where tony could be.

944
00:25:07,573 --> 00:25:09,590
Looking for any sign
of where tony could be.
>> narrator: Meanwhile,

945
00:25:09,592 --> 00:25:11,292
of where tony could be.
>> narrator: Meanwhile,
they broaden their investigation

946
00:25:11,294 --> 00:25:12,927
>> narrator: Meanwhile,
they broaden their investigation
to other aspects of lilius

947
00:25:12,929 --> 00:25:14,361
they broaden their investigation
to other aspects of lilius
and tony's life.

948
00:25:14,363 --> 00:25:15,379
To other aspects of lilius
and tony's life.
>> police reach out to the

949
00:25:15,381 --> 00:25:16,797
and tony's life.
>> police reach out to the
couple's pastor to determine

950
00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:18,432
>> police reach out to the
couple's pastor to determine
if they confided in him about

951
00:25:18,434 --> 00:25:19,667
couple's pastor to determine
if they confided in him about
anything that was going on.

952
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:20,584
If they confided in him about
anything that was going on.
>> narrator: But when they sit

953
00:25:20,586 --> 00:25:22,052
anything that was going on.
>> narrator: But when they sit
down with the pastor,

954
00:25:22,054 --> 00:25:22,937
>> narrator: But when they sit
down with the pastor,
they get some news

955
00:25:22,939 --> 00:25:24,672
down with the pastor,
they get some news
they weren't expecting.

956
00:25:24,674 --> 00:25:25,890
They get some news
they weren't expecting.
>> lilius and tony

957
00:25:25,892 --> 00:25:28,342
they weren't expecting.
>> lilius and tony
weren't actually married.

958
00:25:28,344 --> 00:25:29,677
>> lilius and tony
weren't actually married.
>> lilius had separated from her

959
00:25:29,679 --> 00:25:30,928
weren't actually married.
>> lilius had separated from her
first husband years ago,

960
00:25:30,930 --> 00:25:32,680
>> lilius had separated from her
first husband years ago,
probably 20 years prior.

961
00:25:32,682 --> 00:25:33,647
First husband years ago,
probably 20 years prior.
Even though she was separated

962
00:25:33,649 --> 00:25:34,398
probably 20 years prior.
Even though she was separated
from her husband,

963
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:35,983
even though she was separated
from her husband,
they never got a divorce.

964
00:25:35,985 --> 00:25:38,185
From her husband,
they never got a divorce.
>> lilius was making efforts

965
00:25:38,187 --> 00:25:40,521
they never got a divorce.
>> lilius was making efforts
to divorce her husband.

966
00:25:40,523 --> 00:25:41,939
>> lilius was making efforts
to divorce her husband.
She did reach out and have

967
00:25:41,941 --> 00:25:44,959
to divorce her husband.
She did reach out and have
her minister trying to help her.

968
00:25:44,961 --> 00:25:46,777
She did reach out and have
her minister trying to help her.
>> she found her husband

969
00:25:46,779 --> 00:25:48,996
her minister trying to help her.
>> she found her husband
in alabama or louisiana.

970
00:25:48,998 --> 00:25:51,131
>> she found her husband
in alabama or louisiana.
She called him and said,

971
00:25:51,133 --> 00:25:51,782
in alabama or louisiana.
She called him and said,
you know, "let's go ahead

972
00:25:51,784 --> 00:25:53,751
she called him and said,
you know, "let's go ahead
and get a divorce."

973
00:25:53,753 --> 00:25:54,585
you know, "let's go ahead
and get a divorce."
>> narrator: According

974
00:25:54,587 --> 00:25:56,604
and get a divorce."
>> narrator: According
to lilius' pastor, that's where

975
00:25:56,606 --> 00:25:58,772
>> narrator: According
to lilius' pastor, that's where
things had gotten complicated.

976
00:25:58,774 --> 00:26:00,107
To lilius' pastor, that's where
things had gotten complicated.
>> apparently, her husband

977
00:26:00,109 --> 00:26:01,008
things had gotten complicated.
>> apparently, her husband
didn't want her

978
00:26:01,010 --> 00:26:02,593
>> apparently, her husband
didn't want her
to try to divorce him.

979
00:26:02,595 --> 00:26:04,345
Didn't want her
to try to divorce him.
>> narrator: Still, lilius'

980
00:26:04,347 --> 00:26:06,463
to try to divorce him.
>> narrator: Still, lilius'
pastor claims the setback hadn't

981
00:26:06,465 --> 00:26:08,766
>> narrator: Still, lilius'
pastor claims the setback hadn't
deterred the devoted couple.

982
00:26:08,768 --> 00:26:10,784
Pastor claims the setback hadn't
deterred the devoted couple.
>> it was a commitment ceremony

983
00:26:10,786 --> 00:26:11,619
deterred the devoted couple.
>> it was a commitment ceremony
because that's the best

984
00:26:11,621 --> 00:26:12,686
>> it was a commitment ceremony
because that's the best
that they could do right now,

985
00:26:12,688 --> 00:26:13,787
because that's the best
that they could do right now,
and it was just something

986
00:26:13,789 --> 00:26:15,689
that they could do right now,
and it was just something
just between them and god.

987
00:26:15,691 --> 00:26:17,274
And it was just something
just between them and god.
You know, who needs paperwork

988
00:26:17,276 --> 00:26:18,726
just between them and god.
You know, who needs paperwork
and who needs divorces?

989
00:26:18,728 --> 00:26:19,610
You know, who needs paperwork
and who needs divorces?
We're just going to tell god

990
00:26:19,612 --> 00:26:20,928
and who needs divorces?
We're just going to tell god
that this is what we want.

991
00:26:20,930 --> 00:26:21,562
We're just going to tell god
that this is what we want.
We're going to be

992
00:26:21,564 --> 00:26:22,479
that this is what we want.
We're going to be
together forever.

993
00:26:22,481 --> 00:26:24,431
We're going to be
together forever.
>> narrator: The news of lilius'

994
00:26:24,433 --> 00:26:26,200
together forever.
>> narrator: The news of lilius'
first and current husband sends

995
00:26:26,202 --> 00:26:28,452
>> narrator: The news of lilius'
first and current husband sends
of red flags for detectives.

996
00:26:28,454 --> 00:26:29,570
First and current husband sends
of red flags for detectives.
>> detectives start to wonder

997
00:26:29,572 --> 00:26:31,038
of red flags for detectives.
>> detectives start to wonder
if he's connected with

998
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,074
>> detectives start to wonder
if he's connected with
lilius' murder in some way.

999
00:26:34,076 --> 00:26:35,376
If he's connected with
lilius' murder in some way.
The pastor told police

1000
00:26:35,378 --> 00:26:37,211
lilius' murder in some way.
The pastor told police
that tony has actually confided

1001
00:26:37,213 --> 00:26:38,245
the pastor told police
that tony has actually confided
that he believed that someone

1002
00:26:38,247 --> 00:26:40,080
that tony has actually confided
that he believed that someone
was after them due to his past

1003
00:26:40,082 --> 00:26:41,248
that he believed that someone
was after them due to his past
in columbus and the people

1004
00:26:41,250 --> 00:26:42,883
was after them due to his past
in columbus and the people
that he owed money to.

1005
00:26:42,885 --> 00:26:44,485
In columbus and the people
that he owed money to.
>> tony indicated that people

1006
00:26:44,487 --> 00:26:45,469
that he owed money to.
>> tony indicated that people
were upset with him

1007
00:26:45,471 --> 00:26:47,554
>> tony indicated that people
were upset with him
because he had not made enough

1008
00:26:47,556 --> 00:26:49,840
were upset with him
because he had not made enough
money or paid the right people,

1009
00:26:49,842 --> 00:26:51,308
because he had not made enough
money or paid the right people,
and he had to flee in order

1010
00:26:51,310 --> 00:26:54,028
money or paid the right people,
and he had to flee in order
to protect his personal safety.

1011
00:26:54,030 --> 00:26:55,262
And he had to flee in order
to protect his personal safety.
>> he was running from something

1012
00:26:55,264 --> 00:26:56,146
to protect his personal safety.
>> he was running from something
but,

1013
00:26:56,148 --> 00:26:58,432
>> he was running from something
but,
you know, we don't know what.

1014
00:26:58,434 --> 00:26:59,466
But,
you know, we don't know what.
>> narrator: Detectives attempt

1015
00:26:59,468 --> 00:27:00,901
you know, we don't know what.
>> narrator: Detectives attempt
to follow up on the pastor's

1016
00:27:00,903 --> 00:27:03,070
>> narrator: Detectives attempt
to follow up on the pastor's
claims starting with lilius'

1017
00:27:03,072 --> 00:27:04,738
to follow up on the pastor's
claims starting with lilius'
estranged husband.

1018
00:27:04,740 --> 00:27:05,773
Claims starting with lilius'
estranged husband.
>> it's a long shot,

1019
00:27:05,775 --> 00:27:06,824
estranged husband.
>> it's a long shot,
but detectives do need

1020
00:27:06,826 --> 00:27:08,242
>> it's a long shot,
but detectives do need
to rule him out.

1021
00:27:08,244 --> 00:27:09,176
But detectives do need
to rule him out.
>> detectives were able

1022
00:27:09,178 --> 00:27:10,444
to rule him out.
>> detectives were able
to confirm that he indeed

1023
00:27:10,446 --> 00:27:12,112
>> detectives were able
to confirm that he indeed
was in another state at the time

1024
00:27:12,114 --> 00:27:13,364
to confirm that he indeed
was in another state at the time
the crime took place,

1025
00:27:13,366 --> 00:27:14,531
was in another state at the time
the crime took place,
so he was quickly ruled out

1026
00:27:14,533 --> 00:27:15,449
the crime took place,
so he was quickly ruled out
as a suspect.

1027
00:27:15,451 --> 00:27:16,867
So he was quickly ruled out
as a suspect.
>> narrator: Next,

1028
00:27:16,869 --> 00:27:18,836
as a suspect.
>> narrator: Next,
investigators attempt to contact

1029
00:27:18,838 --> 00:27:21,188
>> narrator: Next,
investigators attempt to contact
tony's grandmother in columbus.

1030
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:22,623
Investigators attempt to contact
tony's grandmother in columbus.
>> she's the only other person

1031
00:27:22,625 --> 00:27:23,590
tony's grandmother in columbus.
>> she's the only other person
in tony's life

1032
00:27:23,592 --> 00:27:24,958
>> she's the only other person
in tony's life
that they haven't spoken to yet.

1033
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:25,676
In tony's life
that they haven't spoken to yet.
>> at this point,

1034
00:27:25,678 --> 00:27:26,510
that they haven't spoken to yet.
>> at this point,
they're desperate

1035
00:27:26,512 --> 00:27:27,928
>> at this point,
they're desperate
and just exhausting all leads

1036
00:27:27,930 --> 00:27:28,879
they're desperate
and just exhausting all leads
at their disposal.

1037
00:27:28,881 --> 00:27:29,963
And just exhausting all leads
at their disposal.
>> narrator: Finally,

1038
00:27:29,965 --> 00:27:31,348
at their disposal.
>> narrator: Finally,
on April 7th,

1039
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:33,801
>> narrator: Finally,
on April 7th,
4 days into their investigation,

1040
00:27:33,803 --> 00:27:35,436
on April 7th,
4 days into their investigation,
detectives catch a break.

1041
00:27:35,438 --> 00:27:37,021
4 days into their investigation,
detectives catch a break.
>> tony's grandmother informed

1042
00:27:37,023 --> 00:27:38,222
detectives catch a break.
>> tony's grandmother informed
police

1043
00:27:38,224 --> 00:27:40,808
>> tony's grandmother informed
police
that tony had contacted her.

1044
00:27:40,810 --> 00:27:43,644
Police
that tony had contacted her.
>> narrator: But that's not all.

1045
00:27:43,646 --> 00:27:45,145
That tony had contacted her.
>> narrator: But that's not all.
>> his grandmother lets them

1046
00:27:45,147 --> 00:27:46,030
>> narrator: But that's not all.
>> his grandmother lets them
know that, in fact,

1047
00:27:46,032 --> 00:27:48,115
>> his grandmother lets them
know that, in fact,
he's in columbus in jail.

1048
00:27:55,090 --> 00:27:57,257
>> narrator: April 7, 1998 --

1049
00:27:57,392 --> 00:27:58,726
detectives investigating the

1050
00:27:58,843 --> 00:28:01,011
brutal murder of lilius landrum

1051
00:28:01,162 --> 00:28:02,329
finally have a lead on the

1052
00:28:02,464 --> 00:28:03,964
whereabouts of her boyfriend,

1053
00:28:04,099 --> 00:28:05,349
tony smith.

1054
00:28:05,483 --> 00:28:06,467
>> when detectives get in touch

1055
00:28:06,601 --> 00:28:07,801
with tony's grandmother,

1056
00:28:07,936 --> 00:28:09,486
she tells them that he's in

1057
00:28:09,604 --> 00:28:11,038
a franklin county, ohio,

1058
00:28:11,172 --> 00:28:13,323
jail following his arrest in the

1059
00:28:13,441 --> 00:28:15,409
columbus suburb of whitehall.

1060
00:28:15,527 --> 00:28:16,410
>> narrator: Tony's grandmother

1061
00:28:16,528 --> 00:28:18,112
tells detectives that she last

1062
00:28:18,246 --> 00:28:19,413
spoke to him the day

1063
00:28:19,547 --> 00:28:21,915
before his arrest on March 25th

1064
00:28:22,050 --> 00:28:24,017
when he called her from akron.

1065
00:28:24,152 --> 00:28:25,185
>> he calls her at 3 o'clock

1066
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:26,387
in the morning asking

1067
00:28:26,521 --> 00:28:27,788
if she can wire him some money,

1068
00:28:27,956 --> 00:28:29,790
just enough for a bus ticket.

1069
00:28:30,091 --> 00:28:34,194
She tells police that when
she talked to him that night,
he wasn't acting like himself.

1070
00:28:34,196 --> 00:28:35,012
She talked to him that night,
he wasn't acting like himself.
He kept telling her

1071
00:28:35,014 --> 00:28:36,046
he wasn't acting like himself.
He kept telling her
that "they're after me,"

1072
00:28:36,048 --> 00:28:36,680
he kept telling her
that "they're after me,"
but he wouldn't give her

1073
00:28:36,682 --> 00:28:38,015
that "they're after me,"
but he wouldn't give her
any more details.

1074
00:28:38,299 --> 00:28:39,183
>> and his grandmother wired

1075
00:28:39,300 --> 00:28:40,434
him money, and he used that

1076
00:28:40,552 --> 00:28:42,052
to buy a bus ticket to columbus.

1077
00:28:42,353 --> 00:28:46,140
>> narrator: After speaking
to tony's grandmother,
detectives reach out to their

1078
00:28:46,142 --> 00:28:47,941
to tony's grandmother,
detectives reach out to their
counterparts in whitehall

1079
00:28:47,943 --> 00:28:49,143
detectives reach out to their
counterparts in whitehall
where they learn the bizarre

1080
00:28:49,145 --> 00:28:51,061
counterparts in whitehall
where they learn the bizarre
nature of tony's arrest.

1081
00:28:51,063 --> 00:28:52,730
Where they learn the bizarre
nature of tony's arrest.
>> twenty-four to 48 hours

1082
00:28:52,732 --> 00:28:53,814
nature of tony's arrest.
>> twenty-four to 48 hours
after the murder,

1083
00:28:53,816 --> 00:28:55,149
>> twenty-four to 48 hours
after the murder,
tony makes a couple of

1084
00:28:55,151 --> 00:28:56,784
after the murder,
tony makes a couple of
illegal u-turns.

1085
00:28:56,786 --> 00:28:57,818
Tony makes a couple of
illegal u-turns.
That gets the attention

1086
00:28:57,820 --> 00:28:59,653
illegal u-turns.
That gets the attention
of the columbus police,

1087
00:28:59,655 --> 00:29:01,688
that gets the attention
of the columbus police,
and they chase him.

1088
00:29:01,690 --> 00:29:03,190
Of the columbus police,
and they chase him.
>> dispatch, I'll be 10-25

1089
00:29:03,192 --> 00:29:04,458
and they chase him.
>> dispatch, I'll be 10-25
on a green jaguar.

1090
00:29:04,460 --> 00:29:06,794
>> dispatch, I'll be 10-25
on a green jaguar.
It looks like he's running.

1091
00:29:06,796 --> 00:29:07,828
On a green jaguar.
It looks like he's running.
Go ahead and start another unit

1092
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:10,664
it looks like he's running.
Go ahead and start another unit
this way.

1093
00:29:10,666 --> 00:29:11,665
Go ahead and start another unit
this way.
>> he continued to make

1094
00:29:11,667 --> 00:29:12,966
this way.
>> he continued to make
illegal traffic maneuvers,

1095
00:29:12,968 --> 00:29:14,668
>> he continued to make
illegal traffic maneuvers,
continued to increase his speed.

1096
00:29:14,670 --> 00:29:18,972
Illegal traffic maneuvers,
continued to increase his speed.
[ siren wails ]

1097
00:29:18,974 --> 00:29:19,723
continued to increase his speed.
[ siren wails ]
>> narrator: According to the

1098
00:29:19,725 --> 00:29:20,474
[ siren wails ]
>> narrator: According to the
officer,

1099
00:29:20,476 --> 00:29:22,009
>> narrator: According to the
officer,
tony then led police

1100
00:29:22,011 --> 00:29:24,211
officer,
tony then led police
on a wild chase across columbus'

1101
00:29:24,213 --> 00:29:26,063
tony then led police
on a wild chase across columbus'
eastern suburbs.

1102
00:29:26,065 --> 00:29:26,980
On a wild chase across columbus'
eastern suburbs.
>> he even drove down

1103
00:29:26,982 --> 00:29:29,149
eastern suburbs.
>> he even drove down
the wrong side of the roadway.

1104
00:29:29,151 --> 00:29:29,883
>> he even drove down
the wrong side of the roadway.
>> he leads them

1105
00:29:29,885 --> 00:29:33,020
the wrong side of the roadway.
>> he leads them
on a 40-minute chase.

1106
00:29:33,022 --> 00:29:33,987
>> he leads them
on a 40-minute chase.
They have to put out

1107
00:29:33,989 --> 00:29:34,938
on a 40-minute chase.
They have to put out
spike strips.

1108
00:29:34,940 --> 00:29:36,440
They have to put out
spike strips.
Two of his tires blow out,

1109
00:29:36,442 --> 00:29:38,792
spike strips.
Two of his tires blow out,
and he's still going.

1110
00:29:38,794 --> 00:29:40,160
Two of his tires blow out,
and he's still going.
>> he ended up in a field.

1111
00:29:40,162 --> 00:29:42,763
And he's still going.
>> he ended up in a field.
He ended up striking a tree.

1112
00:29:42,765 --> 00:29:43,464
>> he ended up in a field.
He ended up striking a tree.
>> but that still

1113
00:29:43,466 --> 00:29:44,798
he ended up striking a tree.
>> but that still
doesn't stop him.

1114
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:45,449
>> but that still
doesn't stop him.
He jumps out of

1115
00:29:45,451 --> 00:29:47,034
doesn't stop him.
He jumps out of
the car and runs.

1116
00:29:52,106 --> 00:29:55,375
>> they finally catch up to him,
and he's arrested.

1117
00:29:55,677 --> 00:29:56,577
>> in addition to the charges

1118
00:29:56,711 --> 00:29:57,377
for the multiple

1119
00:29:57,545 --> 00:29:58,645
traffic violations

1120
00:29:58,780 --> 00:30:00,180
and running from police,

1121
00:30:00,315 --> 00:30:00,964
it turns out the car

1122
00:30:01,099 --> 00:30:03,383
tony was driving was stolen.

1123
00:30:03,685 --> 00:30:09,690
>> so he's down there in jail,
and lilius' body is
not discovered until the 3rd,

1124
00:30:09,692 --> 00:30:11,792
and lilius' body is
not discovered until the 3rd,
and it's not until a couple

1125
00:30:11,794 --> 00:30:13,327
not discovered until the 3rd,
and it's not until a couple
of days later

1126
00:30:13,329 --> 00:30:16,864
and it's not until a couple
of days later
that the connection is made.

1127
00:30:16,866 --> 00:30:18,448
Of days later
that the connection is made.
>> narrator: Galvanized

1128
00:30:18,450 --> 00:30:20,234
that the connection is made.
>> narrator: Galvanized
by this new information,

1129
00:30:20,236 --> 00:30:21,735
>> narrator: Galvanized
by this new information,
detectives make the 2-hour

1130
00:30:21,737 --> 00:30:22,903
by this new information,
detectives make the 2-hour
drive to columbus

1131
00:30:22,905 --> 00:30:25,239
detectives make the 2-hour
drive to columbus
to speak with tony face-to-face.

1132
00:30:25,241 --> 00:30:26,657
Drive to columbus
to speak with tony face-to-face.
>> they're very, very interested

1133
00:30:26,659 --> 00:30:28,041
to speak with tony face-to-face.
>> they're very, very interested
to hear what tony has

1134
00:30:28,043 --> 00:30:29,409
>> they're very, very interested
to hear what tony has
to say for himself.

1135
00:30:29,411 --> 00:30:30,494
To hear what tony has
to say for himself.
>> police sit tony down

1136
00:30:30,496 --> 00:30:31,795
to say for himself.
>> police sit tony down
to try to get a statement,

1137
00:30:31,797 --> 00:30:33,413
>> police sit tony down
to try to get a statement,
but tony doesn't even mention

1138
00:30:33,415 --> 00:30:34,665
to try to get a statement,
but tony doesn't even mention
anything about lilius' murder.

1139
00:30:34,667 --> 00:30:36,583
But tony doesn't even mention
anything about lilius' murder.
>> narrator: Instead, tony wants

1140
00:30:36,585 --> 00:30:37,918
anything about lilius' murder.
>> narrator: Instead, tony wants
to talk about the hit men

1141
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,753
>> narrator: Instead, tony wants
to talk about the hit men
he claims are after him.

1142
00:30:39,755 --> 00:30:42,055
To talk about the hit men
he claims are after him.
>> why would they be after you?

1143
00:30:42,057 --> 00:30:42,923
He claims are after him.
>> why would they be after you?
>> I can't talk about that

1144
00:30:42,925 --> 00:30:44,892
>> why would they be after you?
>> I can't talk about that
right now,

1145
00:30:44,894 --> 00:30:46,760
>> I can't talk about that
right now,
not until I talk to my lawyers.

1146
00:30:46,762 --> 00:30:47,594
Right now,
not until I talk to my lawyers.
>> once he asked for

1147
00:30:47,596 --> 00:30:48,428
not until I talk to my lawyers.
>> once he asked for
an attorney,

1148
00:30:48,430 --> 00:30:50,397
>> once he asked for
an attorney,
the police stop questioning him.

1149
00:30:50,399 --> 00:30:51,598
An attorney,
the police stop questioning him.
>> tony's sudden silence

1150
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:52,816
the police stop questioning him.
>> tony's sudden silence
had detectives wondering

1151
00:30:52,818 --> 00:30:54,368
>> tony's sudden silence
had detectives wondering
if tony really had gotten

1152
00:30:54,370 --> 00:30:56,236
had detectives wondering
if tony really had gotten
mixed up into something illegal

1153
00:30:56,238 --> 00:30:58,322
if tony really had gotten
mixed up into something illegal
that had led to lilius' death.

1154
00:30:58,324 --> 00:31:00,107
Mixed up into something illegal
that had led to lilius' death.
>> narrator: While detectives

1155
00:31:00,109 --> 00:31:01,525
that had led to lilius' death.
>> narrator: While detectives
can't talk to tony,

1156
00:31:01,527 --> 00:31:03,777
>> narrator: While detectives
can't talk to tony,
there is one thing they can do.

1157
00:31:03,779 --> 00:31:04,578
Can't talk to tony,
there is one thing they can do.
>> in the meantime,

1158
00:31:04,580 --> 00:31:05,279
there is one thing they can do.
>> in the meantime,
would you mind taking off

1159
00:31:05,281 --> 00:31:06,613
>> in the meantime,
would you mind taking off
your shoes and socks?

1160
00:31:06,615 --> 00:31:07,247
Would you mind taking off
your shoes and socks?
>> what for?

1161
00:31:07,249 --> 00:31:07,948
Your shoes and socks?
>> what for?
>> I need to get

1162
00:31:07,950 --> 00:31:09,333
>> what for?
>> I need to get
your footprints.

1163
00:31:09,335 --> 00:31:10,667
>> I need to get
your footprints.
>> the request provokes

1164
00:31:10,669 --> 00:31:12,753
your footprints.
>> the request provokes
a sudden reaction from tony.

1165
00:31:12,755 --> 00:31:13,754
>> the request provokes
a sudden reaction from tony.
>> the detectives go to take

1166
00:31:13,756 --> 00:31:14,588
a sudden reaction from tony.
>> the detectives go to take
his footprints,

1167
00:31:14,590 --> 00:31:15,923
>> the detectives go to take
his footprints,
and he does an about-face.

1168
00:31:15,925 --> 00:31:17,207
His footprints,
and he does an about-face.
He wants to talk again.

1169
00:31:17,209 --> 00:31:18,959
And he does an about-face.
He wants to talk again.
>> can I say a few things?

1170
00:31:18,961 --> 00:31:20,210
He wants to talk again.
>> can I say a few things?
>> tony tells them that if they

1171
00:31:20,212 --> 00:31:21,678
>> can I say a few things?
>> tony tells them that if they
listen to his story

1172
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:22,679
>> tony tells them that if they
listen to his story
that he'll give them the rest

1173
00:31:22,681 --> 00:31:23,380
listen to his story
that he'll give them the rest
of what they want

1174
00:31:23,382 --> 00:31:27,017
that he'll give them the rest
of what they want
to know about lilius.

1175
00:31:27,019 --> 00:31:28,518
Of what they want
to know about lilius.
>> after they get his prints,

1176
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,187
to know about lilius.
>> after they get his prints,
tony immediately launches into

1177
00:31:30,189 --> 00:31:32,306
>> after they get his prints,
tony immediately launches into
the story of how he met lilius

1178
00:31:32,308 --> 00:31:33,974
tony immediately launches into
the story of how he met lilius
in the first place.

1179
00:31:33,976 --> 00:31:35,475
The story of how he met lilius
in the first place.
>> we started out as friends,

1180
00:31:35,477 --> 00:31:37,010
in the first place.
>> we started out as friends,
but then things got

1181
00:31:37,012 --> 00:31:38,712
>> we started out as friends,
but then things got
a little serious.

1182
00:31:38,714 --> 00:31:39,529
But then things got
a little serious.
>> they made the decision

1183
00:31:39,531 --> 00:31:40,314
a little serious.
>> they made the decision
together

1184
00:31:40,316 --> 00:31:41,565
>> they made the decision
together
that they should be married.

1185
00:31:41,567 --> 00:31:42,816
Together
that they should be married.
>> but her divorce

1186
00:31:42,818 --> 00:31:45,202
that they should be married.
>> but her divorce
wasn't finalized,

1187
00:31:45,204 --> 00:31:47,120
>> but her divorce
wasn't finalized,
and her husband

1188
00:31:47,122 --> 00:31:48,405
wasn't finalized,
and her husband
wouldn't sign the papers.

1189
00:31:48,407 --> 00:31:49,373
And her husband
wouldn't sign the papers.
>> and you two were already

1190
00:31:49,375 --> 00:31:51,124
wouldn't sign the papers.
>> and you two were already
living together?

1191
00:31:51,126 --> 00:31:52,409
>> and you two were already
living together?
>> yes.

1192
00:31:52,727 --> 00:31:53,727
>> he felt that they were living

1193
00:31:53,861 --> 00:31:55,896
in sin, and even

1194
00:31:56,030 --> 00:31:57,998
with the ceremony that they had,

1195
00:31:58,166 --> 00:31:58,832
it wasn't good enough.

1196
00:31:59,000 --> 00:31:59,666
It had to be

1197
00:31:59,834 --> 00:32:00,550
that they were married

1198
00:32:00,668 --> 00:32:02,002
and that she had to be divorced.

1199
00:32:02,303 --> 00:32:06,139
It doesn't seem like
that was a big deal to her.
It was only a big deal to tony.

1200
00:32:06,141 --> 00:32:07,574
That was a big deal to her.
It was only a big deal to tony.
>> especially since tony wanted

1201
00:32:07,576 --> 00:32:09,176
it was only a big deal to tony.
>> especially since tony wanted
to become a minister.

1202
00:32:09,178 --> 00:32:10,227
>> especially since tony wanted
to become a minister.
>> how can I be an example

1203
00:32:10,229 --> 00:32:11,345
to become a minister.
>> how can I be an example
to my congregation

1204
00:32:11,347 --> 00:32:15,015
>> how can I be an example
to my congregation
if I'm living in sin?

1205
00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:16,350
>> tony was actually close

1206
00:32:16,517 --> 00:32:18,568
with god, but sometimes you can

1207
00:32:18,686 --> 00:32:19,770
overdo it a little bit

1208
00:32:19,904 --> 00:32:21,071
with the scriptures.

1209
00:32:21,356 --> 00:32:24,908
>> narrator: Meanwhile, tony
says he was under tremendous
pressure.

1210
00:32:24,910 --> 00:32:25,575
Says he was under tremendous
pressure.
>> they were about to do

1211
00:32:25,577 --> 00:32:27,277
pressure.
>> they were about to do
a large showcase

1212
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:28,695
>> they were about to do
a large showcase
to showcase his artists

1213
00:32:28,697 --> 00:32:29,746
a large showcase
to showcase his artists
from shock the world,

1214
00:32:29,748 --> 00:32:31,365
to showcase his artists
from shock the world,
which included my brother,

1215
00:32:31,367 --> 00:32:32,532
from shock the world,
which included my brother,
eshban chapman,

1216
00:32:32,534 --> 00:32:34,034
which included my brother,
eshban chapman,
and he also had some large

1217
00:32:34,036 --> 00:32:36,370
eshban chapman,
and he also had some large
groups that was at their primes,

1218
00:32:36,372 --> 00:32:38,038
and he also had some large
groups that was at their primes,
so really ton' had a lot

1219
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,506
groups that was at their primes,
so really ton' had a lot
on his shoulders at the time.

1220
00:32:39,508 --> 00:32:41,708
So really ton' had a lot
on his shoulders at the time.
>> narrator: According to tony,

1221
00:32:41,710 --> 00:32:43,043
on his shoulders at the time.
>> narrator: According to tony,
it soon became clear

1222
00:32:43,045 --> 00:32:44,711
>> narrator: According to tony,
it soon became clear
that he couldn't do it all.

1223
00:32:44,713 --> 00:32:45,345
It soon became clear
that he couldn't do it all.
>> I had to call

1224
00:32:45,347 --> 00:32:46,913
that he couldn't do it all.
>> I had to call
in a few favors.

1225
00:32:46,915 --> 00:32:48,215
>> I had to call
in a few favors.
>> he said he was involved

1226
00:32:48,217 --> 00:32:49,716
in a few favors.
>> he said he was involved
with the music industry,

1227
00:32:49,718 --> 00:32:51,468
>> he said he was involved
with the music industry,
and he owed people money

1228
00:32:51,470 --> 00:32:53,086
with the music industry,
and he owed people money
for shows that he had put on

1229
00:32:53,088 --> 00:32:55,222
and he owed people money
for shows that he had put on
that had not made enough money.

1230
00:32:55,224 --> 00:32:57,524
For shows that he had put on
that had not made enough money.
>> I got tied in with people

1231
00:32:57,526 --> 00:32:58,225
that had not made enough money.
>> I got tied in with people
you don't want to be

1232
00:32:58,227 --> 00:32:59,693
>> I got tied in with people
you don't want to be
in too deep with.

1233
00:32:59,695 --> 00:33:00,944
You don't want to be
in too deep with.
>> tony tells detectives

1234
00:33:00,946 --> 00:33:01,695
in too deep with.
>> tony tells detectives
that his enemies

1235
00:33:01,697 --> 00:33:02,763
>> tony tells detectives
that his enemies
started harassing them.

1236
00:33:02,765 --> 00:33:03,947
That his enemies
started harassing them.
>> he said that he and lilius

1237
00:33:03,949 --> 00:33:04,781
started harassing them.
>> he said that he and lilius
became afraid

1238
00:33:04,783 --> 00:33:05,949
>> he said that he and lilius
became afraid
to come out of the house.

1239
00:33:05,951 --> 00:33:06,900
Became afraid
to come out of the house.
He said he had planned

1240
00:33:06,902 --> 00:33:08,702
to come out of the house.
He said he had planned
to run away.

1241
00:33:08,704 --> 00:33:09,536
He said he had planned
to run away.
>> what tony is telling

1242
00:33:09,538 --> 00:33:11,071
to run away.
>> what tony is telling
detectives appears to fit

1243
00:33:11,073 --> 00:33:12,289
>> what tony is telling
detectives appears to fit
with what they already know.

1244
00:33:12,291 --> 00:33:13,907
Detectives appears to fit
with what they already know.
>> you have witnesses saying

1245
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:16,460
with what they already know.
>> you have witnesses saying
that tony was talking about

1246
00:33:16,462 --> 00:33:18,779
>> you have witnesses saying
that tony was talking about
some people who were after him.

1247
00:33:18,781 --> 00:33:20,714
That tony was talking about
some people who were after him.
You have the packed suitcases

1248
00:33:20,716 --> 00:33:22,299
some people who were after him.
You have the packed suitcases
by the door.

1249
00:33:22,301 --> 00:33:23,383
You have the packed suitcases
by the door.
Then you have tony

1250
00:33:23,385 --> 00:33:25,168
by the door.
Then you have tony
fleeing to columbus.

1251
00:33:25,170 --> 00:33:25,919
Then you have tony
fleeing to columbus.
>> okay, but what happened,

1252
00:33:25,921 --> 00:33:27,421
fleeing to columbus.
>> okay, but what happened,
tony?

1253
00:33:27,423 --> 00:33:28,088
>> okay, but what happened,
tony?
Why didn't you end up

1254
00:33:28,090 --> 00:33:29,756
tony?
Why didn't you end up
leaving town?

1255
00:33:29,758 --> 00:33:33,727
Why didn't you end up
leaving town?
>> I can't believe it.

1256
00:33:33,729 --> 00:33:36,430
Leaving town?
>> I can't believe it.
Why her?

1257
00:33:36,432 --> 00:33:37,514
>> I can't believe it.
Why her?
>> in the interview room,

1258
00:33:37,516 --> 00:33:39,066
why her?
>> in the interview room,
tony becomes very emotional.

1259
00:33:39,068 --> 00:33:40,400
>> in the interview room,
tony becomes very emotional.
He's rocking back and forth.

1260
00:33:40,402 --> 00:33:41,268
Tony becomes very emotional.
He's rocking back and forth.
He's crying.

1261
00:33:41,270 --> 00:33:42,102
He's rocking back and forth.
He's crying.
>> detectives figure they're

1262
00:33:42,104 --> 00:33:43,320
he's crying.
>> detectives figure they're
finally going to solve

1263
00:33:43,322 --> 00:33:44,271
>> detectives figure they're
finally going to solve
the mystery behind

1264
00:33:44,273 --> 00:33:46,273
finally going to solve
the mystery behind
lilius' grisly murder.

1265
00:33:46,275 --> 00:33:46,857
The mystery behind
lilius' grisly murder.
>> narrator: But what

1266
00:33:46,859 --> 00:33:48,358
lilius' grisly murder.
>> narrator: But what
tony says next

1267
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,877
>> narrator: But what
tony says next
takes detectives by surprise.

1268
00:33:50,879 --> 00:33:53,113
Tony says next
takes detectives by surprise.
>> she's in on it, too.

1269
00:33:53,115 --> 00:33:55,198
Takes detectives by surprise.
>> she's in on it, too.
They're all against me.

1270
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:56,583
>> she's in on it, too.
They're all against me.
>> what?

1271
00:33:56,585 --> 00:33:58,168
They're all against me.
>> what?
>> she tried to poison me.

1272
00:34:06,277 --> 00:34:10,113
And somewhat controlling.

1273
00:34:10,231 --> 00:34:12,349
No one described him as violent

1274
00:34:12,483 --> 00:34:13,850
or having a temper.

1275
00:34:13,985 --> 00:34:14,901
In fact, he had always been

1276
00:34:15,036 --> 00:34:16,903
described as maybe quiet,

1277
00:34:17,038 --> 00:34:18,705
kind of meek, kind of mild,

1278
00:34:18,823 --> 00:34:19,489
not somebody

1279
00:34:19,657 --> 00:34:21,158
that you would expect to be

1280
00:34:21,325 --> 00:34:22,492
severing someone's head.

1281
00:34:27,582 --> 00:34:32,135
>> narrator: Akron police
detectives are finally
face-to-face with tony smith,

1282
00:34:32,137 --> 00:34:33,954
detectives are finally
face-to-face with tony smith,
the main suspect in the vicious

1283
00:34:33,956 --> 00:34:36,056
face-to-face with tony smith,
the main suspect in the vicious
murder of lilius landrum.

1284
00:34:36,357 --> 00:34:37,023
>> tony and lilius

1285
00:34:37,158 --> 00:34:37,758
lived together,

1286
00:34:37,892 --> 00:34:38,425
but he'd been

1287
00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:39,810
conspicuously absent

1288
00:34:39,927 --> 00:34:41,728
during the entire investigation.

1289
00:34:41,846 --> 00:34:43,330
>> in fact, when lilius' body

1290
00:34:43,431 --> 00:34:44,197
was found,

1291
00:34:44,332 --> 00:34:45,699
tony was already in a columbus,

1292
00:34:45,833 --> 00:34:46,533
ohio,

1293
00:34:46,667 --> 00:34:49,035
jail for driving a stolen car.

1294
00:34:49,170 --> 00:34:50,403
>> tony was actually taken

1295
00:34:50,538 --> 00:34:53,323
into custody within 24

1296
00:34:53,441 --> 00:34:55,142
to 48 hours after the murder.

1297
00:34:56,828 --> 00:35:02,582
>> narrator: Now, 12 days later
on April 7, 1998,
detectives sitting across

1298
00:35:02,584 --> 00:35:04,151
on April 7, 1998,
detectives sitting across
from tony are taken aback

1299
00:35:04,153 --> 00:35:05,952
detectives sitting across
from tony are taken aback
by what he has just told them.

1300
00:35:05,954 --> 00:35:06,837
From tony are taken aback
by what he has just told them.
>> he said that on the night

1301
00:35:06,839 --> 00:35:07,954
by what he has just told them.
>> he said that on the night
of March 25th,

1302
00:35:07,956 --> 00:35:10,207
>> he said that on the night
of March 25th,
lilius had tried to poison him.

1303
00:35:10,209 --> 00:35:10,957
Of March 25th,
lilius had tried to poison him.
>> how did you know?

1304
00:35:10,959 --> 00:35:12,959
Lilius had tried to poison him.
>> how did you know?
>> I could tell as soon

1305
00:35:12,961 --> 00:35:14,594
>> how did you know?
>> I could tell as soon
as I ate it.

1306
00:35:14,879 --> 00:35:15,796
>> after dinner, tony said

1307
00:35:15,963 --> 00:35:17,047
he started to feel strange,

1308
00:35:17,181 --> 00:35:17,798
and he was convinced

1309
00:35:17,932 --> 00:35:19,099
that he was poisoned.

1310
00:35:19,217 --> 00:35:19,966
>> but why would she want

1311
00:35:20,134 --> 00:35:21,134
to poison you?

1312
00:35:21,269 --> 00:35:22,435
>> because god's got

1313
00:35:22,553 --> 00:35:24,020
big plans for me,

1314
00:35:24,138 --> 00:35:28,308
and<i> he</i> wanted to stop them.

1315
00:35:28,476 --> 00:35:29,442
>> he?

1316
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,112
>> the devil!

1317
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:33,730
>> he was saying that lilius was

1318
00:35:33,865 --> 00:35:35,982
the devil, that he thought

1319
00:35:36,117 --> 00:35:37,734
that lilius was evil.

1320
00:35:38,035 --> 00:35:42,989
>> so you thought
she was the devil?
>> why do you think

1321
00:35:42,991 --> 00:35:45,992
she was the devil?
>> why do you think
I cut her head off?

1322
00:35:45,994 --> 00:35:47,460
>> why do you think
I cut her head off?
>> detectives are shocked.

1323
00:35:47,462 --> 00:35:48,328
I cut her head off?
>> detectives are shocked.
He just comes out

1324
00:35:48,330 --> 00:35:49,329
>> detectives are shocked.
He just comes out
and admits that he's the one

1325
00:35:49,331 --> 00:35:50,463
he just comes out
and admits that he's the one
who did this to her,

1326
00:35:50,465 --> 00:35:51,581
and admits that he's the one
who did this to her,
as if decapitating somebody

1327
00:35:51,583 --> 00:35:53,500
who did this to her,
as if decapitating somebody
was the next logical step.

1328
00:35:53,502 --> 00:35:54,668
As if decapitating somebody
was the next logical step.
>> tony tells them that he read

1329
00:35:54,670 --> 00:35:55,669
was the next logical step.
>> tony tells them that he read
in the bible somewhere that

1330
00:35:55,671 --> 00:35:57,003
>> tony tells them that he read
in the bible somewhere that
the only way to kill the devil

1331
00:35:57,005 --> 00:35:58,839
in the bible somewhere that
the only way to kill the devil
is to cut his head off.

1332
00:35:58,841 --> 00:35:59,673
The only way to kill the devil
is to cut his head off.
>> thank you.

1333
00:35:59,675 --> 00:36:03,510
Is to cut his head off.
>> thank you.
>> mm, you're welcome.

1334
00:36:03,512 --> 00:36:04,678
>> thank you.
>> mm, you're welcome.
>> he told police that after

1335
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,930
>> mm, you're welcome.
>> he told police that after
he realized he'd been poisoned,

1336
00:36:06,932 --> 00:36:08,849
>> he told police that after
he realized he'd been poisoned,
he got a knife from the kitchen

1337
00:36:08,851 --> 00:36:10,550
he realized he'd been poisoned,
he got a knife from the kitchen
and called for lilius.

1338
00:36:10,552 --> 00:36:13,937
He got a knife from the kitchen
and called for lilius.
>> lilius!

1339
00:36:13,939 --> 00:36:14,905
And called for lilius.
>> lilius!
>> he said that when lilius

1340
00:36:14,907 --> 00:36:16,022
>> lilius!
>> he said that when lilius
got into the kitchen,

1341
00:36:16,024 --> 00:36:16,923
>> he said that when lilius
got into the kitchen,
he took a sock

1342
00:36:16,925 --> 00:36:17,991
got into the kitchen,
he took a sock
and began to strangle her.

1343
00:36:17,993 --> 00:36:18,692
He took a sock
and began to strangle her.
>> ah!

1344
00:36:18,694 --> 00:36:23,697
And began to strangle her.
>> ah!
>> the devil, he fought,

1345
00:36:23,699 --> 00:36:27,701
>> ah!
>> the devil, he fought,
and he fought, and he fought,

1346
00:36:27,703 --> 00:36:29,269
>> the devil, he fought,
and he fought, and he fought,
but I never let go.

1347
00:36:29,271 --> 00:36:30,971
And he fought, and he fought,
but I never let go.
>> narrator: According to tony,

1348
00:36:30,973 --> 00:36:31,955
but I never let go.
>> narrator: According to tony,
lilius struggled

1349
00:36:31,957 --> 00:36:33,089
>> narrator: According to tony,
lilius struggled
for several minutes

1350
00:36:33,091 --> 00:36:37,410
lilius struggled
for several minutes
before losing consciousness.

1351
00:36:37,412 --> 00:36:38,929
For several minutes
before losing consciousness.
>> he said after he breath left,

1352
00:36:38,931 --> 00:36:39,596
before losing consciousness.
>> he said after he breath left,
he proceeded

1353
00:36:39,598 --> 00:36:41,047
>> he said after he breath left,
he proceeded
to cut her head off.

1354
00:36:41,349 --> 00:36:46,269
♪

1355
00:36:46,554 --> 00:36:49,306
>> afterwards, he quickly tried
to clean up,
put all the evidence

1356
00:36:49,308 --> 00:36:50,607
to clean up,
put all the evidence
in the basement and then got out

1357
00:36:50,609 --> 00:36:52,559
put all the evidence
in the basement and then got out
of there as fast as he could.

1358
00:36:52,561 --> 00:36:53,393
In the basement and then got out
of there as fast as he could.
>> narrator:

1359
00:36:53,395 --> 00:36:54,644
Of there as fast as he could.
>> narrator:
It's an incredible story,

1360
00:36:54,646 --> 00:36:56,146
>> narrator:
It's an incredible story,
but is it the truth?

1361
00:36:56,148 --> 00:36:58,114
It's an incredible story,
but is it the truth?
Detectives aren't so sure.

1362
00:36:58,116 --> 00:36:59,065
But is it the truth?
Detectives aren't so sure.
>> detectives can't help

1363
00:36:59,067 --> 00:37:01,151
detectives aren't so sure.
>> detectives can't help
but notice that he only decided

1364
00:37:01,153 --> 00:37:02,619
>> detectives can't help
but notice that he only decided
to confess after

1365
00:37:02,621 --> 00:37:04,738
but notice that he only decided
to confess after
they asked for his footprints.

1366
00:37:04,740 --> 00:37:05,956
To confess after
they asked for his footprints.
>> he had to know it was

1367
00:37:05,958 --> 00:37:09,075
they asked for his footprints.
>> he had to know it was
only a matter of time before

1368
00:37:09,077 --> 00:37:11,444
>> he had to know it was
only a matter of time before
he was charged with the murder,

1369
00:37:11,446 --> 00:37:13,797
only a matter of time before
he was charged with the murder,
and he was really very cleverly

1370
00:37:13,799 --> 00:37:15,248
he was charged with the murder,
and he was really very cleverly
trying to set up

1371
00:37:15,250 --> 00:37:16,499
and he was really very cleverly
trying to set up
an insanity defense.

1372
00:37:16,501 --> 00:37:18,134
Trying to set up
an insanity defense.
>> narrator: Detectives

1373
00:37:18,136 --> 00:37:20,337
an insanity defense.
>> narrator: Detectives
don't believe it for a minute.

1374
00:37:20,339 --> 00:37:21,588
>> narrator: Detectives
don't believe it for a minute.
>> at no time

1375
00:37:21,590 --> 00:37:23,790
don't believe it for a minute.
>> at no time
did he describe throwing up.

1376
00:37:23,792 --> 00:37:25,425
>> at no time
did he describe throwing up.
At no time did he describe

1377
00:37:25,427 --> 00:37:27,394
did he describe throwing up.
At no time did he describe
going to a doctor.

1378
00:37:27,396 --> 00:37:29,596
At no time did he describe
going to a doctor.
Tony's accusations that he had

1379
00:37:29,598 --> 00:37:30,814
going to a doctor.
Tony's accusations that he had
been poisoned

1380
00:37:30,816 --> 00:37:34,734
tony's accusations that he had
been poisoned
were absolutely unfounded.

1381
00:37:34,736 --> 00:37:35,735
Been poisoned
were absolutely unfounded.
>> detectives realized

1382
00:37:35,737 --> 00:37:36,987
were absolutely unfounded.
>> detectives realized
everything tony has said up

1383
00:37:36,989 --> 00:37:38,521
>> detectives realized
everything tony has said up
until this point was just

1384
00:37:38,523 --> 00:37:40,006
everything tony has said up
until this point was just
a farce, including all the stuff

1385
00:37:40,008 --> 00:37:42,192
until this point was just
a farce, including all the stuff
about his so-called enemies.

1386
00:37:42,194 --> 00:37:43,410
A farce, including all the stuff
about his so-called enemies.
>> narrator: And when tony's

1387
00:37:43,412 --> 00:37:44,945
about his so-called enemies.
>> narrator: And when tony's
footprint proves to be a match

1388
00:37:44,947 --> 00:37:47,247
>> narrator: And when tony's
footprint proves to be a match
for the prints in lilius' blood,

1389
00:37:47,249 --> 00:37:48,581
footprint proves to be a match
for the prints in lilius' blood,
detectives charge him

1390
00:37:48,583 --> 00:37:50,150
for the prints in lilius' blood,
detectives charge him
with murder.

1391
00:37:50,152 --> 00:37:51,284
Detectives charge him
with murder.
>> I didn't believe it.

1392
00:37:51,286 --> 00:37:52,752
With murder.
>> I didn't believe it.
I just...I didn't believe it.

1393
00:37:52,754 --> 00:37:53,553
>> I didn't believe it.
I just...I didn't believe it.
I thought, "oh, they got it

1394
00:37:53,555 --> 00:37:55,005
I just...I didn't believe it.
I thought, "oh, they got it
wrong" because I had no clue

1395
00:37:55,007 --> 00:37:55,956
I thought, "oh, they got it
wrong" because I had no clue
that he would turn into

1396
00:37:55,958 --> 00:37:58,091
wrong" because I had no clue
that he would turn into
a monster like that.

1397
00:37:58,392 --> 00:37:59,025
>> I believe the weight

1398
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:00,210
of the world was on him.

1399
00:38:00,344 --> 00:38:01,044
I believe he just

1400
00:38:01,178 --> 00:38:02,379
cracked under pressure.

1401
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,882
>> I do believe that in this
case the devil made him do it.
To think that someone would

1402
00:38:05,884 --> 00:38:07,517
case the devil made him do it.
To think that someone would
actually decapitate

1403
00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:08,735
to think that someone would
actually decapitate
another human being

1404
00:38:08,737 --> 00:38:11,738
actually decapitate
another human being
is so horrifying and disturbing.

1405
00:38:11,740 --> 00:38:13,173
Another human being
is so horrifying and disturbing.
>> narrator: However,

1406
00:38:13,175 --> 00:38:15,075
is so horrifying and disturbing.
>> narrator: However,
tony's court-ordered psychiatric

1407
00:38:15,077 --> 00:38:18,545
>> narrator: However,
tony's court-ordered psychiatric
evaluation says otherwise.

1408
00:38:18,547 --> 00:38:20,380
Tony's court-ordered psychiatric
evaluation says otherwise.
>> he tried to pretend

1409
00:38:20,382 --> 00:38:22,949
evaluation says otherwise.
>> he tried to pretend
that he was overcome

1410
00:38:22,951 --> 00:38:24,200
>> he tried to pretend
that he was overcome
by some compulsion

1411
00:38:24,202 --> 00:38:26,119
that he was overcome
by some compulsion
that he couldn't control,

1412
00:38:26,121 --> 00:38:28,321
by some compulsion
that he couldn't control,
but he was found to be sane,

1413
00:38:28,323 --> 00:38:29,122
that he couldn't control,
but he was found to be sane,
which means

1414
00:38:29,124 --> 00:38:30,407
but he was found to be sane,
which means
that he knew the difference

1415
00:38:30,409 --> 00:38:31,958
which means
that he knew the difference
between right and wrong,

1416
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,626
that he knew the difference
between right and wrong,
when he murdered lilius.

1417
00:38:33,628 --> 00:38:34,627
Between right and wrong,
when he murdered lilius.
>> narrator: After digging

1418
00:38:34,629 --> 00:38:36,463
when he murdered lilius.
>> narrator: After digging
into the couple's finances,

1419
00:38:36,465 --> 00:38:37,998
>> narrator: After digging
into the couple's finances,
detectives believe that rather

1420
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,499
into the couple's finances,
detectives believe that rather
than religious fervor,

1421
00:38:39,501 --> 00:38:41,217
detectives believe that rather
than religious fervor,
it was finances that triggered

1422
00:38:41,219 --> 00:38:42,502
than religious fervor,
it was finances that triggered
tony's rage.

1423
00:38:42,504 --> 00:38:43,753
It was finances that triggered
tony's rage.
>> they had moved in together

1424
00:38:43,755 --> 00:38:46,272
tony's rage.
>> they had moved in together
to try to save on expenses

1425
00:38:46,274 --> 00:38:47,340
>> they had moved in together
to try to save on expenses
and manage their money.

1426
00:38:47,342 --> 00:38:48,925
To try to save on expenses
and manage their money.
However, they just weren't

1427
00:38:48,927 --> 00:38:50,260
and manage their money.
However, they just weren't
able to make it

1428
00:38:50,262 --> 00:38:51,644
however, they just weren't
able to make it
with the cleaning business

1429
00:38:51,646 --> 00:38:53,013
able to make it
with the cleaning business
and with their recording

1430
00:38:53,015 --> 00:38:55,265
with the cleaning business
and with their recording
business and promoting

1431
00:38:55,267 --> 00:38:56,316
and with their recording
business and promoting
the gospel singing.

1432
00:38:56,318 --> 00:38:58,151
Business and promoting
the gospel singing.
That was not really providing

1433
00:38:58,153 --> 00:38:59,853
the gospel singing.
That was not really providing
a decent income for them.

1434
00:38:59,855 --> 00:39:00,687
That was not really providing
a decent income for them.
>> he really didn't have

1435
00:39:00,689 --> 00:39:01,521
a decent income for them.
>> he really didn't have
the money to pay the bills,

1436
00:39:01,523 --> 00:39:02,188
>> he really didn't have
the money to pay the bills,
so a lot of things

1437
00:39:02,190 --> 00:39:03,239
the money to pay the bills,
so a lot of things
were getting cut off.

1438
00:39:03,241 --> 00:39:04,407
So a lot of things
were getting cut off.
>> I believe that their electric

1439
00:39:04,409 --> 00:39:05,692
were getting cut off.
>> I believe that their electric
was turned off or the water,

1440
00:39:05,694 --> 00:39:06,393
>> I believe that their electric
was turned off or the water,
so I'm sure

1441
00:39:06,395 --> 00:39:07,193
was turned off or the water,
so I'm sure
that it was stressful.

1442
00:39:07,195 --> 00:39:09,245
So I'm sure
that it was stressful.
>> narrator: Meanwhile, lilius

1443
00:39:09,247 --> 00:39:10,830
that it was stressful.
>> narrator: Meanwhile, lilius
has put everything she had

1444
00:39:10,832 --> 00:39:12,365
>> narrator: Meanwhile, lilius
has put everything she had
into launching the record label

1445
00:39:12,367 --> 00:39:14,084
has put everything she had
into launching the record label
and ministry for tony.

1446
00:39:14,086 --> 00:39:15,702
Into launching the record label
and ministry for tony.
>> you need to get a job.

1447
00:39:15,704 --> 00:39:18,004
And ministry for tony.
>> you need to get a job.
>> what investigators believe

1448
00:39:18,006 --> 00:39:20,206
>> you need to get a job.
>> what investigators believe
is maybe lilius

1449
00:39:20,208 --> 00:39:21,841
>> what investigators believe
is maybe lilius
was questioning him.

1450
00:39:21,843 --> 00:39:22,909
Is maybe lilius
was questioning him.
She was questioning

1451
00:39:22,911 --> 00:39:23,977
was questioning him.
She was questioning
his prophecies

1452
00:39:23,979 --> 00:39:25,378
she was questioning
his prophecies
and had pointed out to him that

1453
00:39:25,380 --> 00:39:27,380
his prophecies
and had pointed out to him that
his prophecies hadn't come true.

1454
00:39:27,382 --> 00:39:28,431
And had pointed out to him that
his prophecies hadn't come true.
>> her patience was starting

1455
00:39:28,433 --> 00:39:29,933
his prophecies hadn't come true.
>> her patience was starting
to wear thing.

1456
00:39:29,935 --> 00:39:30,767
>> her patience was starting
to wear thing.
>> one more bill

1457
00:39:30,769 --> 00:39:31,818
to wear thing.
>> one more bill
is nothing to this whole pile.

1458
00:39:31,820 --> 00:39:32,719
>> one more bill
is nothing to this whole pile.
You can write this down.

1459
00:39:32,721 --> 00:39:34,621
Is nothing to this whole pile.
You can write this down.
Take your pen, and write down

1460
00:39:34,623 --> 00:39:35,722
you can write this down.
Take your pen, and write down
this other bill right here.

1461
00:39:35,724 --> 00:39:36,473
Take your pen, and write down
this other bill right here.
Hmm.

1462
00:39:36,475 --> 00:39:39,192
This other bill right here.
Hmm.
Take the...

1463
00:39:39,194 --> 00:39:40,443
Hmm.
Take the...
>> we believe he became

1464
00:39:40,445 --> 00:39:42,128
take the...
>> we believe he became
very upset and enraged,

1465
00:39:42,130 --> 00:39:44,147
>> we believe he became
very upset and enraged,
and that's why he killed her,

1466
00:39:44,149 --> 00:39:45,031
very upset and enraged,
and that's why he killed her,
and that's why

1467
00:39:45,033 --> 00:39:45,865
and that's why he killed her,
and that's why
he severed her head.

1468
00:39:45,867 --> 00:39:47,617
And that's why
he severed her head.
>> narrator: Given the savage

1469
00:39:47,619 --> 00:39:49,035
he severed her head.
>> narrator: Given the savage
nature of the crime,

1470
00:39:49,037 --> 00:39:50,904
>> narrator: Given the savage
nature of the crime,
will a jury agree?

1471
00:39:50,906 --> 00:39:52,572
Nature of the crime,
will a jury agree?
>> this was completely insane.

1472
00:39:52,574 --> 00:39:54,124
Will a jury agree?
>> this was completely insane.
It had to be because

1473
00:39:54,126 --> 00:39:55,408
>> this was completely insane.
It had to be because
you just don't flip out over

1474
00:39:55,410 --> 00:39:57,293
it had to be because
you just don't flip out over
your electric being turned off.

1475
00:39:57,295 --> 00:39:57,911
You just don't flip out over
your electric being turned off.
You get mad.

1476
00:39:57,913 --> 00:39:58,745
Your electric being turned off.
You get mad.
You get in spats,

1477
00:39:58,747 --> 00:40:00,246
you get mad.
You get in spats,
and you leave and, whatever,

1478
00:40:00,248 --> 00:40:01,114
you get in spats,
and you leave and, whatever,
come back together later,

1479
00:40:01,116 --> 00:40:01,981
and you leave and, whatever,
come back together later,
but you don't kill

1480
00:40:01,983 --> 00:40:04,417
come back together later,
but you don't kill
somebody over this.

1481
00:40:04,419 --> 00:40:05,385
But you don't kill
somebody over this.
>> narrator: Ultimately,

1482
00:40:05,387 --> 00:40:06,469
somebody over this.
>> narrator: Ultimately,
the case never

1483
00:40:06,471 --> 00:40:07,971
>> narrator: Ultimately,
the case never
makes it to trial.

1484
00:40:07,973 --> 00:40:09,622
The case never
makes it to trial.
>> the circumstances surrounding

1485
00:40:09,624 --> 00:40:11,674
makes it to trial.
>> the circumstances surrounding
lilius' murder were horrifying

1486
00:40:11,676 --> 00:40:12,976
>> the circumstances surrounding
lilius' murder were horrifying
and because the pictures

1487
00:40:12,978 --> 00:40:14,761
lilius' murder were horrifying
and because the pictures
would've been extremely graphic,

1488
00:40:14,763 --> 00:40:15,812
and because the pictures
would've been extremely graphic,
the details of the murder

1489
00:40:15,814 --> 00:40:17,597
would've been extremely graphic,
the details of the murder
would've been extremely graphic,

1490
00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:19,065
the details of the murder
would've been extremely graphic,
the family decided they did not

1491
00:40:19,067 --> 00:40:20,817
would've been extremely graphic,
the family decided they did not
want a trial.

1492
00:40:20,819 --> 00:40:22,435
The family decided they did not
want a trial.
>> he ended up entering a guilt

1493
00:40:22,437 --> 00:40:24,137
want a trial.
>> he ended up entering a guilt
plea to murder.

1494
00:40:24,139 --> 00:40:24,804
>> he ended up entering a guilt
plea to murder.
>> in exchange

1495
00:40:24,806 --> 00:40:25,655
plea to murder.
>> in exchange
for pleading guilty,

1496
00:40:25,657 --> 00:40:27,357
>> in exchange
for pleading guilty,
tony receives a sentence of life

1497
00:40:27,359 --> 00:40:28,825
for pleading guilty,
tony receives a sentence of life
in prison with a chance

1498
00:40:28,827 --> 00:40:31,945
tony receives a sentence of life
in prison with a chance
of parole after 15 years.

1499
00:40:31,947 --> 00:40:33,613
In prison with a chance
of parole after 15 years.
>> his first shot at the parole

1500
00:40:33,615 --> 00:40:35,999
of parole after 15 years.
>> his first shot at the parole
board was back in 2013.

1501
00:40:36,001 --> 00:40:37,951
>> his first shot at the parole
board was back in 2013.
The parole did not release him.

1502
00:40:37,953 --> 00:40:39,836
Board was back in 2013.
The parole did not release him.
However, he will be eligible

1503
00:40:39,838 --> 00:40:42,589
the parole did not release him.
However, he will be eligible
again in 2022,

1504
00:40:42,591 --> 00:40:44,757
however, he will be eligible
again in 2022,
and at that time, our office

1505
00:40:44,759 --> 00:40:46,042
again in 2022,
and at that time, our office
will oppose his release.

1506
00:40:47,044 --> 00:40:47,627
>> you do something like that,

1507
00:40:47,795 --> 00:40:48,511
you

1508
00:40:48,629 --> 00:40:49,596
should never be able to get out.

1509
00:40:49,730 --> 00:40:50,663
>> narrator: Perhaps what

1510
00:40:50,798 --> 00:40:52,465
has haunted lilius' loved ones

1511
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,667
the most is the fact that tony

1512
00:40:54,802 --> 00:40:56,236
took advantage of the quality

1513
00:40:56,370 --> 00:40:58,605
they'll always remember her by;

1514
00:40:58,722 --> 00:41:00,306
her selfless spirit.

1515
00:41:00,441 --> 00:41:00,974
>> she didn't

1516
00:41:01,108 --> 00:41:01,841
deserve this at all.

1517
00:41:01,976 --> 00:41:02,559
She wouldn't done anything

1518
00:41:02,693 --> 00:41:03,643
for anybody.

1519
00:41:03,777 --> 00:41:04,744
>> she reached out

1520
00:41:04,879 --> 00:41:06,312
and helped people that were down

1521
00:41:06,447 --> 00:41:07,480
on their luck

1522
00:41:07,648 --> 00:41:09,582
and less fortunate, and tony

1523
00:41:09,717 --> 00:41:11,284
was one of those people.

1524
00:41:11,418 --> 00:41:12,085
>> I'm sure she was trying

1525
00:41:12,219 --> 00:41:12,852
to help him because she was

1526
00:41:12,987 --> 00:41:14,571
probably in love,

1527
00:41:14,705 --> 00:41:15,822
really in love.

1528
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:17,924
>> and in exchange for her help,

1529
00:41:18,042 --> 00:41:19,492
he brutally murdered her.