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<i>[patriotic music]</i>

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<i>- Katharine Wright</i>
<i>tells the Wright Brothers,</i>

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<i>you guys got to</i>
<i>believe in yourselves,</i>

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<i>and also let me help you,</i>

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<i>because I'm smarter</i>
<i>than both of you.</i>

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Oh, I just spilled
all over the couch and myself.

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<i>- Constance Kopp says,</i>

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yo, what the [bleep]
happened to my buggy?

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And that's a fact.

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<i>- And the Fox sisters</i>
<i>were the first mediums.</i>

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I just crossed some sort of
drunken threshold.

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- You're--you're okay.
- [vomiting]

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<i>♪ ♪</i>

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<i>- Do you have any siblings?</i>

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<i>- I have a brother.</i>

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- Older or younger?
- He's three years older.

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- Oh, he's older.
- Yeah.

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Do you have any siblings?

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- One.
He's older.

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He's a brother, but, like,
we hated each other,

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and now we're best friends.

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- Oh, yeah, we got along

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when we were little.
- Really?

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- Now we [bleep]
hate each other.

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- Oh, switchies.
- [bleep] you.

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No, we get along.

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- To siblings.
- Whoo!

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Hey, guys.
- Hold up.

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Oh, no, you want me
to say hello?

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- I like "Hey, guys."

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It's very podcast-y.

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- [laughs]
- But maybe say,

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"Hello, I'm Lauren Lapkus..."
- Hello.

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- "And today..."
- Okay.

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Hello, I'm Lauren Lapkus,

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and today we're gonna discuss

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the Wright brothers

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and the Wright sister.

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Am I right?

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- [laughing]

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- Okay, so everyone's
really familiar

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<i>with the Wright brothers.</i>

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<i>Everyone knows</i>
<i>about their planes</i>

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<i>and their whole thing,</i>
<i>but they didn't know</i>

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<i>that there's a younger sister,</i>
<i>Katharine.</i>

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<i>So basically,</i>
<i>our story begins in 1874</i>

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<i>in Dayton, Ohio,</i>

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<i>and basically she</i>
<i>and Orville and Wilbur</i>

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<i>were, like best friends,</i>
<i>and they'd do, like,</i>

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<i>all kinds of old-timey</i>
<i>activities</i>

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that were fun for people then.

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Like, they would collect bones

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<i>and sell them</i>
<i>to fertilizing plants.</i>

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- Classic thing to do.

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- You know, classic,
like bone collecting.

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And they made a pact together

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that they were never
gonna get married.

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<i>Like, the brothers were like,</i>
<i>let's not get married.</i>

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<i>Why don't we all just, like,</i>
<i>be together?</i>

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<i>We'll just be, like, a unit.</i>
<i>And Katharine's like,</i>

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<i>maybe I'll meet someone</i>
<i>I actually like.</i>

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<i>Like, you guys are my brothers,</i>
<i>and I don't really feel</i>

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<i>like that about you guys,</i>
<i>and I don't think I should</i>

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<i>feel like that about you guys.</i>
<i>And they're like,</i>

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<i>no, no, no, no, no.</i>
<i>Let's just stick together</i>

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<i>and be, like, a thing.</i>

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<i>And she's like,</i>
<i>fine, I guess.</i>

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<i>[laughs]</i>

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And then basically, like,
the brothers

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started getting really
into the idea of manned flight,

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and so they're like--
like, I don't care about school.

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<i>I want to work on my planes.</i>
<i>And he's like,</i>

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<i>I want to work</i>
<i>on my planes too.</i>

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<i>I want to work</i>
<i>on planes with you.</i>

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<i>I love you.</i>
<i>And Katharine was like,</i>

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<i>I believe in you.</i>

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<i>And they didn't graduate</i>
<i>high school.</i>

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<i>They were just really focused</i>
<i>on the whole plane situation,</i>

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<i>so meanwhile,</i>
<i>Katharine graduated</i>

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<i>from Oberlin College in 1898,</i>

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<i>so she was very, like,</i>
<i>smart and successful</i>

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in her own "Wright."

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- Oh, man.
- I didn't want to do that,

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but I had to.
- Okay.

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[laughing]

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<i>So when she graduates</i>
<i>from college,</i>

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<i>Orville's like,</i>
<i>I have a present for you.</i>

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<i>It's a diamond ring.</i>

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<i>And she's like, okay.</i>

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<i>Are you proposing to me,</i>
<i>or what is it?</i>

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<i>He's like, no, it's like</i>
<i>a brother-sister thing.</i>

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<i>Like, it's just, like, a ring.</i>
<i>Like, it'll just--</i>

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<i>it'll just be like--</i>
<i>it's like our pact.</i>

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<i>And she's like, okay,</i>
<i>that's kind of weird,</i>

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<i>but I guess I'll wear it</i>

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<i>until I meet someone.</i>

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<i>He's like, no,</i>
<i>you'll never meet anyone.</i>

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<i>She's like,</i>
<i>I might meet someone.</i>

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<i>He's like,</i>
<i>you won't meet anyone.</i>

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Oh, I just spilled
all over the couch and myself.

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- That's okay.
- Okay.

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- Moving right along.

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<i>So in 1901,</i>

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<i>Orville and Wilbur</i>
<i>build the Wright glider,</i>

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<i>and they go to Kitty Hawk,</i>
<i>North Carolina,</i>

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<i>and they're like, we're gonna</i>
<i>fly the first plane ever.</i>

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<i>♪ ♪</i>

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<i>But then it goes</i>
<i>really horribly.</i>

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<i>It, like, falls apart,</i>
<i>and it was a complete disaster,</i>

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<i>and basically</i>
<i>they had a horrible time.</i>

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<i>So basically they're just like,</i>
<i>forget this.</i>

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<i>Like, this is a nightmare.</i>

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<i>Like, I'm never</i>
<i>gonna be good at this.</i>

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<i>Not within a thousand years</i>

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<i>will man ever fly a plane.</i>

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<i>And Katharine's like, you guys</i>
<i>got to believe in yourselves.</i>

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<i>No one's ever done this.</i>

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<i>Why would you think</i>
<i>it would work perfectly</i>

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<i>the first time?</i>
<i>You have to try again,</i>

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<i>and also let me help you,</i>

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<i>because I'm smarter</i>
<i>than both of you.</i>

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<i>And so they got reinvigorated,</i>

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and basically they decided

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they were gonna
fly planes again, because--

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- You have to drink every time
you say "basically."

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New rule.

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- Okay.

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<i>So their family had, like,</i>
<i>a bicycle shop,</i>

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<i>and so, like, they were working</i>
<i>in this shop,</i>

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<i>trying out</i>
<i>all these different ways</i>

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<i>to make planes.</i>

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<i>And Katharine's like,</i>
<i>let's look at research</i>

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<i>from other people</i>
<i>who've done this before.</i>

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<i>You guys aren't--you're just</i>
<i>making it up at this point.</i>

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And so she's, like,
translating from German

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<i>and all these languages,</i>
<i>and she's like,</i>

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<i>this says you need to fly</i>
<i>like this.</i>

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<i>You have to go and make</i>
<i>the wings, like, bigger.</i>

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<i>Make the wings, like,</i>
<i>taller, and--</i>

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<i>and go and believe in it more</i>
<i>and all this stuff.</i>

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<i>And they created</i>
<i>a whole new plane together.</i>

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And so basically--

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- Uh, you got to drink.

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Basically.
- Oh, shit.

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Okay, so December 17, 1903,

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<i>they try it again</i>
<i>at Kitty Hawk,</i>

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and Orville Wright fow--
fowered--

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[laughing]
Powered the first flight.

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<i>20 feet above the ground,</i>

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<i>and it's epic,</i>

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<i>and I don't like</i>
<i>the word "epic,"</i>

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<i>but I have said it here</i>
<i>because it's accurate.</i>

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<i>It's a really big deal,</i>

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<i>and they have, like,</i>
<i>700 successful flights.</i>

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<i>They're up,</i>
<i>and the they're down.</i>

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<i>They're all over the place.</i>

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[clears throat]

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So, like, Katharine flies
in the plane

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<i>for the first time ever,</i>

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<i>and she was like,</i>

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<i>I feel like a bird,</i>

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<i>and birds are so happy,</i>

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<i>and birds sing</i>
<i>because they're happy.</i>

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<i>So Wilbur's like, we couldn't</i>
<i>have done it without you.</i>

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<i>I love you.</i>

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<i>So then, years later,</i>

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<i>Katharine is like,</i>
<i>all right, [bleep] this.</i>

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<i>I'm getting married.</i>
<i>I'm 52.</i>

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<i>I might as well get married</i>
<i>at this point.</i>

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<i>I feel like the pact is over.</i>

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<i>Meanwhile, Orville's like,</i>

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<i>no, the pact's not done.</i>
<i>I hate you.</i>

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<i>I'm not gonna speak to you</i>
<i>ever again,</i>

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<i>and she's like, whatever.</i>
<i>I have this dude now,</i>

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<i>and I don't really care if you</i>
<i>don't talk to me anymore.</i>

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<i>And they, like, make out</i>
<i>in front of Orville.</i>

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<i>It's really rude.</i>

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<i>[both laughing]</i>

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It's so dumb.

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<i>- It's really rude.</i>
<i>- It's so rude.</i>

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<i>Orville's like,</i>
<i>damn, this blows.</i>

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We all have known
about Orville and Wilbur

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for as long as
we all have lived,

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but if they didn't
have Katharine,

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they wouldn't have had
the belief in themselves.

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They wouldn't have confidence,
and they wouldn't have had

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<i>the ability to translate things</i>
<i>to know what--</i>

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<i>how things really work.</i>

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<i>There's always someone else</i>
<i>behind the scenes</i>

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who's helping people.

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No, I bet that's not true.
I take it back.

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But sometimes there is.

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- You got that right.

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- You got that right.

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- You got the right one,
baby, uh-huh.

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- Uh-huh.

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[both laughing]

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<i>[intense music]</i>

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- Whenever you're ready, buddy.

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- Hello,
I'm Mike Still,

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and today we're gonna talk about
the Kopp sisters:

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the original lady badasses.

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- Cheers.
- Cheers.

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[exclaims]

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[giggles]

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<i>So our story starts in 1914</i>
<i>in Paterson, New Jersey,</i>

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<i>and Constance Kopp and her</i>
<i>sisters Norma and Fleurette</i>

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<i>go out to lunch.</i>

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<i>They're eating sandwiches</i>
<i>and 1914 drinks,</i>

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<i>and all of of a sudden,</i>
<i>they hear this loud noise.</i>

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<i>Beep, beep!</i>
<i>[mimics explosion]</i>

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<i>[mimics tires screeching]</i>

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<i>[mimics horse whinnying]</i>

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<i>[spitting]</i>

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[exclaiming]

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[groans]

217
00:07:22,576 --> 00:07:25,210
[mimics horn honking]

218
00:07:25,212 --> 00:07:26,978
[both laugh]

219
00:07:26,980 --> 00:07:27,579
[snorts]

220
00:07:27,581 --> 00:07:32,317
<i>So their horse-and-carriage</i>
<i>cart was smashed</i>

221
00:07:32,319 --> 00:07:34,352
<i>by an automobile.</i>

222
00:07:34,354 --> 00:07:37,355
Who was driving
this automobile?

223
00:07:37,357 --> 00:07:40,392
It was Henry Kaufman.

224
00:07:40,394 --> 00:07:41,827
<i>He was a mean little guy</i>

225
00:07:41,829 --> 00:07:45,897
<i>who owned the Paterson</i>
<i>silk-dyeing corporation.</i>

226
00:07:45,899 --> 00:07:47,799
<i>Constance comes out</i>
<i>and she's like, yo!</i>

227
00:07:47,801 --> 00:07:50,202
<i>What the [bleep] happened</i>
<i>to my buggy?</i>

228
00:07:50,204 --> 00:07:52,537
<i>Ah, I don't know.</i>

229
00:07:52,539 --> 00:07:53,505
<i>Who cares?</i>

230
00:07:53,507 --> 00:07:54,372
<i>You're a woman.</i>

231
00:07:54,374 --> 00:07:56,741
<i>I'm Henry Kaufman.</i>
<i>I'm the king of silk.</i>

232
00:07:56,743 --> 00:08:01,746
<i>I'm not gonna worry about some</i>
<i>horse and buggy bullshit.</i>

233
00:08:01,748 --> 00:08:03,448
<i>[bleep] you.</i>

234
00:08:03,450 --> 00:08:04,082
<i>[laughs]</i>

235
00:08:04,084 --> 00:08:06,184
<i>So he drives off in his car,</i>

236
00:08:06,186 --> 00:08:07,686
<i>but Constance</i>
<i>was just like, no.</i>

237
00:08:07,688 --> 00:08:09,988
<i>We're not gonna let this guy</i>
<i>walk over us.</i>

238
00:08:09,990 --> 00:08:11,923
<i>We're going to e-mail--</i>

239
00:08:11,925 --> 00:08:12,591
[laughing]

240
00:08:12,593 --> 00:08:15,427
We're gonna write him a letter
and say, "Give me 50 bucks.

241
00:08:15,429 --> 00:08:19,264
<i>Give us 50 bucks,"</i>
<i>so they go home to their farm</i>

242
00:08:19,266 --> 00:08:23,034
<i>and she sends a letter</i>
<i>to Henry Kaufman.</i>

243
00:08:23,036 --> 00:08:24,169
Doesn't hear a response.

244
00:08:24,171 --> 00:08:27,806
<i>So a few weeks go by,</i>
<i>and a brick goes through</i>

245
00:08:27,808 --> 00:08:29,608
<i>their farmhouse window.</i>

246
00:08:29,610 --> 00:08:30,742
<i>Oh, my God.</i>
<i>What's that?</i>

247
00:08:30,744 --> 00:08:31,710
<i>I don't know, a brick.</i>

248
00:08:31,712 --> 00:08:33,712
<i>Who would do it?</i>
<i>I don't know.</i>

249
00:08:33,714 --> 00:08:37,482
<i>A week later, Norma went out</i>
<i>to the outhouse</i>

250
00:08:37,484 --> 00:08:38,617
<i>behind the farmhouse</i>

251
00:08:38,619 --> 00:08:39,985
<i>and boom!</i>
<i>Boom!</i>

252
00:08:39,987 --> 00:08:41,786
She was getting shot at!

253
00:08:41,788 --> 00:08:43,488
She runs back inside.

254
00:08:43,490 --> 00:08:44,122
<i>Guys!</i>

255
00:08:44,124 --> 00:08:45,390
<i>I was trying to take a dump</i>

256
00:08:45,392 --> 00:08:47,259
<i>and I was getting shot at!</i>

257
00:08:47,261 --> 00:08:50,095
<i>So the Kopp sisters are</i>
<i>starting to get so pissed off</i>

258
00:08:50,097 --> 00:08:54,933
<i>about this, so they go</i>
<i>to the county prosecutor,</i>

259
00:08:54,935 --> 00:08:57,636
<i>and they say,</i>
<i>"Look, we're getting harassed,</i>

260
00:08:57,638 --> 00:08:58,670
<i>"we're getting threatened.</i>

261
00:08:58,672 --> 00:08:59,638
<i>"You need to help us out here.</i>

262
00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,440
<i>You need to send</i>
<i>some people over to our farm."</i>

263
00:09:02,442 --> 00:09:03,642
<i>And he's like, I don't know.</i>

264
00:09:03,644 --> 00:09:04,609
<i>I don't believe you.</i>

265
00:09:04,611 --> 00:09:07,312
<i>There's no proof.</i>
<i>There's no proof.</i>

266
00:09:07,314 --> 00:09:12,017
<i>But the sheriff</i>
<i>of Bergen County, Robert Heath,</i>

267
00:09:12,019 --> 00:09:13,952
<i>overheard what</i>
<i>they were talking about,</i>

268
00:09:13,954 --> 00:09:18,523
<i>and Sheriff Heath was like,</i>
<i>I'll help you, little ladies.</i>

269
00:09:18,525 --> 00:09:20,025
<i>I'll teach you</i>
<i>how to help yourself.</i>

270
00:09:20,027 --> 00:09:25,230
<i>So Sheriff Heath gives</i>
<i>all three of the Kopp sisters</i>

271
00:09:25,232 --> 00:09:25,997
<i>a gun.</i>

272
00:09:25,999 --> 00:09:29,134
So he taught them
how to use the guns.

273
00:09:29,136 --> 00:09:30,135
<i>Aim up.</i>

274
00:09:30,137 --> 00:09:31,937
<i>Aim at your target.</i>

275
00:09:31,939 --> 00:09:34,105
<i>[imitating gunfire]</i>

276
00:09:34,107 --> 00:09:35,907
<i>He let them hold the guns</i>

277
00:09:35,909 --> 00:09:36,908
<i>and kiss guns.</i>

278
00:09:36,910 --> 00:09:38,143
<i>Whatever you do to guns.</i>

279
00:09:38,145 --> 00:09:39,544
[both chuckle]

280
00:09:39,546 --> 00:09:41,246
And that's a fact.

281
00:09:41,248 --> 00:09:41,846
[both laugh]

282
00:09:41,848 --> 00:09:46,117
So the media heard about
the Kopp sisters,

283
00:09:46,119 --> 00:09:48,253
<i>and they became a sensation.</i>

284
00:09:48,255 --> 00:09:51,556
<i>So you'd think that</i>
<i>these people would give up.</i>

285
00:09:51,558 --> 00:09:52,791
Like, these ladies are armed.

286
00:09:52,793 --> 00:09:54,192
They're dangerous.
No.

287
00:09:54,194 --> 00:09:57,796
<i>The Kopp sisters got</i>
<i>an extortion letter,</i>

288
00:09:57,798 --> 00:10:00,131
<i>and it said,</i>
<i>"Bring $1,000</i>

289
00:10:00,133 --> 00:10:06,471
<i>"to the corner of Broadway and</i>
<i>Carol and meet a man in black.</i>

290
00:10:06,473 --> 00:10:08,139
<i>"We know where you live.</i>

291
00:10:08,141 --> 00:10:10,742
<i>"We're gonna kill your farm</i>

292
00:10:10,744 --> 00:10:12,644
<i>"and kill the cows</i>

293
00:10:12,646 --> 00:10:14,813
<i>"and kill you.</i>

294
00:10:14,815 --> 00:10:17,315
<i>We're gonna murder you."</i>

295
00:10:17,317 --> 00:10:18,149
[chuckles]

296
00:10:18,151 --> 00:10:20,185
"We're gonna smash you up.

297
00:10:20,187 --> 00:10:23,622
<i>Signed, H.K. and company."</i>

298
00:10:23,624 --> 00:10:25,757
Which that--I mean,
that's Henry Kaufman.

299
00:10:25,759 --> 00:10:26,524
That's his initials.

300
00:10:26,526 --> 00:10:29,060
Like, it's clearly Mr. Silk
himself.

301
00:10:29,062 --> 00:10:32,230
<i>So Constance wasn't gonna</i>
<i>have this.</i>

302
00:10:32,232 --> 00:10:35,467
<i>She's like, I'm taking this</i>
<i>into my own hands.</i>

303
00:10:35,469 --> 00:10:40,138
<i>So she goes to the corner</i>
<i>of Broadway and Carol</i>

304
00:10:40,140 --> 00:10:45,076
and a man in black shows up,
but she's not alone.

305
00:10:45,078 --> 00:10:48,446
<i>She has backup</i>
<i>from Sheriff Heath,</i>

306
00:10:48,448 --> 00:10:49,781
<i>and he's like...</i>

307
00:10:49,783 --> 00:10:51,316
<i>[stammering]</i>

308
00:10:51,318 --> 00:10:53,685
<i>And then he realizes</i>
<i>the jig is up</i>

309
00:10:53,687 --> 00:10:54,586
and he runs!

310
00:10:54,588 --> 00:10:56,521
<i>And Sheriff Heath's like, go!</i>

311
00:10:56,523 --> 00:10:57,689
<i>Go!</i>
<i>Go!</i>

312
00:10:57,691 --> 00:11:00,625
<i>[dramatic music]</i>

313
00:11:00,627 --> 00:11:02,460
And they capture him,
and they're like,

314
00:11:02,462 --> 00:11:04,896
<i>well, how do we prove</i>
<i>it was Henry Kaufman?</i>

315
00:11:04,898 --> 00:11:06,698
<i>New science:</i>

316
00:11:06,700 --> 00:11:08,533
<i>handwriting analysis.</i>

317
00:11:08,535 --> 00:11:13,705
<i>They hired William J. Kingsley</i>
<i>to examine the handwriting,</i>

318
00:11:13,707 --> 00:11:16,908
<i>and William J. Kingsley said,</i>
<i>"Oh, my God.</i>

319
00:11:16,910 --> 00:11:20,545
<i>This is the same</i>
<i>as Henry Kaufman."</i>

320
00:11:20,547 --> 00:11:21,880
<i>♪ ♪</i>

321
00:11:21,882 --> 00:11:26,217
<i>"We know that</i>
<i>he is the criminal</i>

322
00:11:26,219 --> 00:11:29,320
<i>that went after</i>
<i>the Kopp sisters."</i>

323
00:11:29,322 --> 00:11:30,755
<i>And because it was</i>
<i>his handwriting</i>

324
00:11:30,757 --> 00:11:33,792
<i>and he used the Post Office,</i>
<i>it became a federal crime,</i>

325
00:11:33,794 --> 00:11:37,962
and we went to jail
for abusing the mail.

326
00:11:37,964 --> 00:11:42,100
<i>So Constance Kopp brought down</i>
<i>this kingpin</i>

327
00:11:42,102 --> 00:11:43,868
<i>everyone was scared of</i>
<i>in New Jersey.</i>

328
00:11:43,870 --> 00:11:46,738
<i>And Sheriff Heath</i>
<i>was so impressed, he said,</i>

329
00:11:46,740 --> 00:11:49,908
<i>"Well, Henry Kaufman's</i>
<i>under arrest.</i>

330
00:11:49,910 --> 00:11:54,612
<i>And I want you to be under</i>
<i>sheriff of Bergen County."</i>

331
00:11:54,614 --> 00:11:58,516
<i>She became American's first</i>
<i>female sheriff.</i>

332
00:11:58,518 --> 00:11:59,384
<i>[triumphant music]</i>

333
00:11:59,386 --> 00:12:00,952
<i>And then the Kopp sisters</i>

334
00:12:00,954 --> 00:12:03,088
<i>started their own</i>
<i>detective agency,</i>

335
00:12:03,090 --> 00:12:05,757
<i>and they solved cases</i>
<i>and they found out--</i>

336
00:12:05,759 --> 00:12:09,094
there were crimes
and everything.

337
00:12:09,096 --> 00:12:14,332
So Constance's achievements--

338
00:12:14,334 --> 00:12:15,033
wait.

339
00:12:15,035 --> 00:12:16,367
[speaking indistinctly]

340
00:12:16,369 --> 00:12:17,402
[laughs]

341
00:12:17,404 --> 00:12:18,703
Sorry.

342
00:12:18,705 --> 00:12:19,270
[laughs]

343
00:12:19,272 --> 00:12:23,108
So Constance's achievements
became world-renowned,

344
00:12:23,110 --> 00:12:26,611
<i>so when Constance passed away,</i>
<i>everyone was very sad.</i>

345
00:12:26,613 --> 00:12:29,814
- The others,
did they continue as detectives?

346
00:12:29,816 --> 00:12:30,815
- They didn't continue
as detectives.

347
00:12:30,817 --> 00:12:34,686
Fleurette was really into,
like, fashion and music

348
00:12:34,688 --> 00:12:35,587
and singing and stuff,

349
00:12:35,589 --> 00:12:38,223
and you know her as Madonna.

350
00:12:38,225 --> 00:12:39,424
No, that's not true.

351
00:12:39,426 --> 00:12:40,291
[laughs]

352
00:12:40,293 --> 00:12:43,495
That's not true.

353
00:12:43,497 --> 00:12:44,763
- Have you ever seen a ghost?

354
00:12:44,765 --> 00:12:45,797
- Of course not.

355
00:12:45,799 --> 00:12:46,865
- Why you say, "Of course not"?

356
00:12:46,867 --> 00:12:48,133
- I enjoy hearing
ghost stories--

357
00:12:48,135 --> 00:12:50,435
- You do like ghost stories.
- Yeah, and I enjoy hearing

358
00:12:50,437 --> 00:12:55,240
other people's accounts,
but that's all garbage.

359
00:12:55,242 --> 00:12:56,141
- Okay.

360
00:12:56,143 --> 00:12:58,376
- How's it going?
I'm Hollywood's JD Ryznar,

361
00:12:58,378 --> 00:13:01,446
and today we're gonna talk about
the Fox sisters

362
00:13:01,448 --> 00:13:04,516
and all the ghosts
they talked to.

363
00:13:04,518 --> 00:13:07,819
- I'm gonna prove you wrong
tonight.

364
00:13:07,821 --> 00:13:08,920
- So...

365
00:13:08,922 --> 00:13:13,925
our story begins in the 1840s
in a small farmhouse

366
00:13:13,927 --> 00:13:16,027
<i>of the Fox family.</i>

367
00:13:16,029 --> 00:13:17,529
<i>And it's a spooky house.</i>

368
00:13:17,531 --> 00:13:21,232
<i>They hear sounds at night:</i>
<i>knocks on the door,</i>

369
00:13:21,234 --> 00:13:23,668
<i>phantom steps on the stairs.</i>

370
00:13:23,670 --> 00:13:24,569
[knocking]

371
00:13:24,571 --> 00:13:30,375
<i>And young Maggie and Katie Fox</i>
<i>run into their parents' room</i>

372
00:13:30,377 --> 00:13:35,346
<i>and say, "Mom, Dad, there's</i>
<i>a fricking ghost in our room.</i>

373
00:13:35,348 --> 00:13:37,515
<i>You got to come check it out."</i>

374
00:13:37,517 --> 00:13:39,284
<i>And the mom runs into the room,</i>

375
00:13:39,286 --> 00:13:44,255
<i>and the girls are like,</i>
<i>ghost, are you there?</i>

376
00:13:44,257 --> 00:13:47,258
Tap, rap, ghost.
Are you there?

377
00:13:47,260 --> 00:13:50,295
Rap two times for yes,
three times for no.

378
00:13:50,297 --> 00:13:52,397
<i>And the ghost goes...</i>
<i>[taps twice]</i>

379
00:13:52,399 --> 00:13:57,101
<i>And the mom's like, oh my--</i>
<i>holy smokes!</i>

380
00:13:57,103 --> 00:13:59,370
<i>It's a ghost in our house!</i>

381
00:13:59,372 --> 00:14:01,773
What they learned
from the rapper once they--

382
00:14:01,775 --> 00:14:03,842
once they figured out
a special code

383
00:14:03,844 --> 00:14:10,048
<i>was that this ghost</i>
<i>was a peddler who was murdered</i>

384
00:14:10,050 --> 00:14:12,317
<i>and buried in their cellar.</i>

385
00:14:12,319 --> 00:14:14,786
<i>And the mom, she starts</i>
<i>bringing neighbors over,</i>

386
00:14:14,788 --> 00:14:18,156
<i>and everybody was like,</i>
<i>oh my--these girls can talk</i>

387
00:14:18,158 --> 00:14:21,726
<i>to ghosts,</i>
<i>to the spirits of the dead.</i>

388
00:14:21,728 --> 00:14:23,194
<i>This is the real deal.</i>

389
00:14:23,196 --> 00:14:26,364
So fearing for
their daughters' souls,

390
00:14:26,366 --> 00:14:29,901
<i>Ma and Pop Fox sent Maggie</i>
<i>and Katie off to live</i>

391
00:14:29,903 --> 00:14:33,238
<i>with their sister Leah</i>
<i>in Rochester, New York,</i>

392
00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:37,141
<i>and when Leah saw their skills</i>
<i>with communicating to ghosts,</i>

393
00:14:37,143 --> 00:14:41,279
<i>she was like, I want--</i>
<i>I want to be your manager,</i>

394
00:14:41,281 --> 00:14:44,148
<i>and we're gonna make</i>
<i>a lot of money.</i>

395
00:14:44,150 --> 00:14:46,851
<i>So she invites the press,</i>
<i>and the press comes,</i>

396
00:14:46,853 --> 00:14:48,086
<i>and they are--</i>
<i>they're skeptical.</i>

397
00:14:48,088 --> 00:14:51,322
<i>They're like, these ghost girls</i>
<i>can't talk to ghosts.</i>

398
00:14:51,324 --> 00:14:55,627
This is garbage, but Maggie
and Katie are so good,

399
00:14:55,629 --> 00:14:57,729
they convince the press, like...
[taps twice]

400
00:14:57,731 --> 00:15:02,100
<i>Your sister</i>
<i>has three dead babies.</i>

401
00:15:02,102 --> 00:15:05,737
<i>And he's like, my sister</i>
<i>has three dead babies!</i>

402
00:15:05,739 --> 00:15:07,071
<i>I believe you.</i>

403
00:15:07,073 --> 00:15:10,041
<i>And all of a sudden,</i>
<i>everybody believes it.</i>

404
00:15:10,043 --> 00:15:13,711
And the Fox sisters
were the first people

405
00:15:13,713 --> 00:15:15,246
ever to be called mediums.

406
00:15:15,248 --> 00:15:19,183
<i>And so this new thing thing</i>
<i>called spiritualism</i>

407
00:15:19,185 --> 00:15:23,321
<i>lights a blaze across</i>
<i>the United States of America.</i>

408
00:15:23,323 --> 00:15:25,356
<i>But wait!</i>
<i>Stop the reenactment</i>

409
00:15:25,358 --> 00:15:26,758
<i>because guess what.</i>

410
00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,127
There was--
- Mm-hmm.

411
00:15:29,129 --> 00:15:31,229
- It's all bullshit.

412
00:15:31,231 --> 00:15:32,797
[exclaiming]

413
00:15:32,799 --> 00:15:34,198
You ever see "Wayne's World"?
[exclaiming]

414
00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:35,366
- Of course I've seen
"Wayne's World."

415
00:15:35,368 --> 00:15:37,101
- That's what they do when
they do a flashback.

416
00:15:37,103 --> 00:15:38,002
We're gonna do one now.

417
00:15:38,004 --> 00:15:39,570
This is gonna be good.
- [laughs]

418
00:15:39,572 --> 00:15:41,973
<i>- Make the picture look wavy.</i>

419
00:15:41,975 --> 00:15:44,742
<i>[both exclaiming]</i>

420
00:15:44,744 --> 00:15:47,211
<i>So here's what really happened:</i>

421
00:15:47,213 --> 00:15:51,516
<i>Maggie and Katie are pulling</i>
<i>pranks on their parents</i>

422
00:15:51,518 --> 00:15:52,784
<i>on April Fool's Eve.</i>

423
00:15:52,786 --> 00:15:57,588
<i>The girls are tying apples</i>
<i>to strings and making sounds</i>

424
00:15:57,590 --> 00:15:59,057
<i>up the stairs.</i>

425
00:15:59,059 --> 00:16:01,559
<i>Woop, boop, boop, boop, boop.</i>

426
00:16:01,561 --> 00:16:03,027
<i>Katie says to Maggie,</i>

427
00:16:03,029 --> 00:16:06,197
<i>You know how you can</i>
<i>snap your toes</i>

428
00:16:06,199 --> 00:16:07,598
<i>like you snap your fingers?</i>

429
00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:08,533
<i>You should do that,</i>

430
00:16:08,535 --> 00:16:10,702
<i>and they'll think</i>
<i>it's the ghost</i>

431
00:16:10,704 --> 00:16:12,103
<i>because they're dumb.</i>

432
00:16:12,105 --> 00:16:14,272
<i>So they were cracking</i>
<i>their toe knuckles,</i>

433
00:16:14,274 --> 00:16:16,140
and snapping their toes
like this,

434
00:16:16,142 --> 00:16:19,277
and that was the raps
that the ghosts made.

435
00:16:19,279 --> 00:16:22,313
<i>These little kids were [bleep]</i>
<i>with their mom.</i>

436
00:16:22,315 --> 00:16:24,615
<i>Next they knew,</i>
<i>they were making money.</i>

437
00:16:24,617 --> 00:16:26,384
<i>But Maggie says to Katie, like,</i>

438
00:16:26,386 --> 00:16:28,853
<i>hey, this is not quite</i>
<i>a good idea,</i>

439
00:16:28,855 --> 00:16:31,622
<i>'cause we're kind of fooling</i>
<i>people into this.</i>

440
00:16:31,624 --> 00:16:34,225
<i>And Katie's like,</i>
<i>we should keep doing this,</i>

441
00:16:34,227 --> 00:16:35,126
<i>'cause this is fun.</i>

442
00:16:35,128 --> 00:16:37,528
<i>We're making people</i>
<i>believe anything they want.</i>

443
00:16:37,530 --> 00:16:39,764
<i>We're making people feel good.</i>

444
00:16:39,766 --> 00:16:42,900
[blows raspberry]

445
00:16:42,902 --> 00:16:43,835
Pause.
The next thing is

446
00:16:43,837 --> 00:16:46,471
when you go to commercial break.

447
00:16:46,473 --> 00:16:47,605
- Okay.

448
00:16:47,607 --> 00:16:49,273
You want to do
a commercial for--

449
00:16:49,275 --> 00:16:49,907
- Commercial.

450
00:16:49,909 --> 00:16:52,477
Comedy Central
will go to commercial.

451
00:16:52,479 --> 00:16:53,911
All right, anyway.

452
00:16:53,913 --> 00:16:55,947
Okay.
Here we go.

453
00:16:55,949 --> 00:16:57,382
Um...

454
00:16:59,752 --> 00:17:00,718
Okay.

455
00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:06,624
<i>♪ ♪</i>

456
00:17:06,626 --> 00:17:08,726
- Okay, so where were we?

457
00:17:08,728 --> 00:17:10,194
<i>It's 1888.</i>

458
00:17:10,196 --> 00:17:11,596
<i>Once the girls got super rich</i>

459
00:17:11,598 --> 00:17:15,033
<i>ripping people off</i>
<i>with their fancy ghost stories,</i>

460
00:17:15,035 --> 00:17:17,969
<i>they're just drinking booze</i>
<i>and talking to each other.</i>

461
00:17:17,971 --> 00:17:20,471
<i>Going like, I feel so shitty</i>

462
00:17:20,473 --> 00:17:22,206
<i>that we're ripping people off,</i>

463
00:17:22,208 --> 00:17:26,511
<i>making 'em feel good</i>
<i>about talking to dead people.</i>

464
00:17:26,513 --> 00:17:29,013
<i>And so Maggie sells tickets</i>

465
00:17:29,015 --> 00:17:31,249
<i>to a show at a theater</i>

466
00:17:31,251 --> 00:17:34,552
<i>where she's gonna expose</i>
<i>spiritualism as a fraud.</i>

467
00:17:34,554 --> 00:17:36,087
<i>People file in.</i>
<i>They're like,</i>

468
00:17:36,089 --> 00:17:37,021
<i>let's hear what's happened.</i>

469
00:17:37,023 --> 00:17:39,157
<i>So Maggie takes the stage</i>
<i>at this theater</i>

470
00:17:39,159 --> 00:17:41,159
<i>and is like,</i>
<i>here's how we do it.</i>

471
00:17:41,161 --> 00:17:43,494
<i>And she takes off her stocking,</i>

472
00:17:43,496 --> 00:17:46,731
<i>and she's like,</i>
<i>I click my toes</i>

473
00:17:46,733 --> 00:17:47,565
<i>like this.</i>

474
00:17:47,567 --> 00:17:50,368
<i>[snapping fingers]</i>
<i>Blap, blap, blap.</i>

475
00:17:50,370 --> 00:17:51,035
I can't do it.

476
00:17:51,037 --> 00:17:54,272
If I could do it, I'd be making
a thousand dollars a week

477
00:17:54,274 --> 00:17:56,207
as a stupid medium,
making people think

478
00:17:56,209 --> 00:17:59,143
they're talking
to their dead babies.

479
00:17:59,145 --> 00:18:00,745
Boop, boop, boop.

480
00:18:00,747 --> 00:18:02,613
<i>Give me a thousand dollars.</i>

481
00:18:02,615 --> 00:18:03,981
<i>Boop, boop, boop.</i>

482
00:18:03,983 --> 00:18:05,650
<i>Give me another</i>
<i>thousand dollars.</i>

483
00:18:05,652 --> 00:18:07,351
<i>Boop, boop.</i>
<i>I'm rich.</i>

484
00:18:07,353 --> 00:18:09,353
<i>Maggie gives</i>
<i>this big presentation.</i>

485
00:18:09,355 --> 00:18:10,354
<i>She gives away all her secrets.</i>

486
00:18:10,356 --> 00:18:12,457
<i>At the end of her speech,</i>
<i>she says,</i>

487
00:18:12,459 --> 00:18:14,892
<i>spiritualism</i>
<i>is the greatest curse</i>

488
00:18:14,894 --> 00:18:17,829
<i>mankind has ever known.</i>

489
00:18:17,831 --> 00:18:20,231
<i>And the audience is like,</i>

490
00:18:20,233 --> 00:18:20,998
<i>[bleep] her.</i>

491
00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:22,867
<i>We like talking to ghosts.</i>

492
00:18:22,869 --> 00:18:25,503
<i>Spiritualism has taken off</i>
<i>at that point,</i>

493
00:18:25,505 --> 00:18:29,307
<i>and so basically</i>
<i>what Maggie Fox has done</i>

494
00:18:29,309 --> 00:18:32,510
<i>is made her and her sisters</i>
<i>irrelevant.</i>

495
00:18:32,512 --> 00:18:36,314
So after Maggie realizes
that her life is nothing

496
00:18:36,316 --> 00:18:37,682
when she's not a medium,

497
00:18:37,684 --> 00:18:41,419
<i>she just drank a bunch of booze</i>
<i>till she died.</i>

498
00:18:41,421 --> 00:18:44,655
[slurping]

499
00:18:46,825 --> 00:18:48,960
<i>[exhales]</i>

500
00:18:49,528 --> 00:18:52,697
<i>Decades later,</i>
<i>after the girls were dead,</i>

501
00:18:52,699 --> 00:18:55,199
<i>after it was all over</i>
<i>sometime in the 1900s--</i>

502
00:18:55,201 --> 00:18:57,268
<i>the early 1900s,</i>

503
00:18:57,270 --> 00:18:58,703
<i>some fan of theirs</i>

504
00:18:58,705 --> 00:19:01,072
<i>was snooping</i>
<i>around the foundation</i>

505
00:19:01,074 --> 00:19:03,608
<i>of their old farmhouse,</i>

506
00:19:03,610 --> 00:19:05,409
<i>and they found some bones.</i>

507
00:19:05,411 --> 00:19:09,113
The bones of the ghost
they were initially talking to?

508
00:19:09,115 --> 00:19:09,814
- Oh, shit.

509
00:19:09,816 --> 00:19:12,650
- A lot of people
said it was chicken bones

510
00:19:12,652 --> 00:19:14,051
<i>and other bones,</i>

511
00:19:14,053 --> 00:19:16,020
so it was not really--

512
00:19:16,022 --> 00:19:17,655
you can't really
take a lot out of it,

513
00:19:17,657 --> 00:19:19,357
<i>but maybe it's the bones</i>
<i>of people.</i>

514
00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:20,558
<i>I don't know.</i>
<i>I don't know.</i>

515
00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,760
<i>It's maybe real.</i>
<i>It might be fake.</i>

516
00:19:22,762 --> 00:19:24,228
<i>I don't know.</i>

517
00:19:24,230 --> 00:19:27,565
<i>I just crossed some sort of</i>
<i>drunken threshold.</i>

518
00:19:27,567 --> 00:19:29,066
- Hey, JD?
- Mm.

519
00:19:29,068 --> 00:19:30,668
- Let's talk ghosts.

520
00:19:30,670 --> 00:19:32,970
All right, so this meter

521
00:19:32,972 --> 00:19:35,673
detects hot or cold.

522
00:19:35,675 --> 00:19:39,577
So when it feels cold,

523
00:19:39,579 --> 00:19:40,945
it goes blue.

524
00:19:40,947 --> 00:19:43,848
A true spirit really only

525
00:19:43,850 --> 00:19:45,449
energizes through blue.

526
00:19:45,451 --> 00:19:47,018
I'm gonna have a couple
of names

527
00:19:47,020 --> 00:19:48,920
that I'm gonna bring up here.

528
00:19:48,922 --> 00:19:50,855
John Van Pelt.

529
00:19:50,857 --> 00:19:52,723
You created this house.

530
00:19:52,725 --> 00:19:56,093
Your wife--you remember
his wife's name?

531
00:19:56,095 --> 00:19:57,995
- [mumbling]
Myra Marsh.

532
00:19:57,997 --> 00:19:58,896
- Very good.

533
00:19:58,898 --> 00:20:01,866
Myra Marsh Van Pelt

534
00:20:01,868 --> 00:20:02,900
lived here.

535
00:20:02,902 --> 00:20:05,303
Are you still here?

536
00:20:05,305 --> 00:20:10,241
If so, let us know.

537
00:20:10,243 --> 00:20:13,477
- [vomiting]

538
00:20:15,147 --> 00:20:18,015
[spitting]

539
00:20:18,017 --> 00:20:23,187
[slurring]
Ghost stories--puking history.

540
00:20:23,189 --> 00:20:26,057
[retching]

541
00:20:26,059 --> 00:20:28,693
- Look at that.
You got to see this.

542
00:20:28,695 --> 00:20:30,394
The color is changing.

543
00:20:30,396 --> 00:20:33,631
- [coughing, retching]

544
00:20:33,633 --> 00:20:36,767
<i>♪ ♪</i>

545
00:21:06,932 --> 00:21:08,833
<i>- We're the Kopp sisters.</i>

546
00:21:08,835 --> 00:21:10,668
<i>I'm Hard Spoken.</i>

547
00:21:10,670 --> 00:21:12,069
<i>I'm Strong.</i>

548
00:21:12,071 --> 00:21:13,204
<i>I'm a singer.</i>

549
00:21:13,206 --> 00:21:17,408
<i>And we will kick</i>
<i>the criminals' asses.</i>

550
00:21:17,410 --> 00:21:17,441
<i>[playful piano music]</i>