- ♪ MTV ♪
- We got Gabby. She's 29.
She gets this message from Kendrick.
They get closer and closer.
- He talked about, "Oh, I want to be with you.
"I want to spend time with you.
I want to settle down with you."
But he got shot in the chest twice,
and he died mid-surgery.
[computer chimes]
- How did that happen?
- It definitely hit me hard.
- That's him right there. - What?
- That's his account.
- Can I have a moment?
- It's like a real-life spam email.
[computer chimes] - Is someone here?
Oh, hello.
[dramatic musical sting]
- Where's our posters?
We need to put up the Biggie poster.
All right, finally. - This is the Biggie poster.
Sometimes he's not here. - Wow.
Don't you think you're taking it a little too far?
- It's never too far for the ones we love.
Tell me you've seen a more handsome face.
- [laughs]
All right, now that the team is fully assembled,
let's get into it. We got an email.
"There's no way he was real."
"Hi, Nev and Kamie, my name is Laurannette,
"and I live in South Carolina. My cousin, Gabriela,
"is getting catfished for a fact, like 100%."
- Oh. - "She started talking
"to this guy, Kendrick, on Snapchat,
"and she was head over heels.
"I was listening to what she was telling me,
"and I knew it was crazy."
- ♪ Just when I thought that it was over ♪
- "I was telling her it was a catfish for months,
but she kept on talking to him."
- ♪ Just beginning ♪ [phone chimes]
- "But listen, on the day that he's finally
"supposed to meet up with her, he ends up getting shot,
goes into surgery, and dies."
- It's a lot for the morning.
- "Now she's mourning somebody
"that probably didn't even exist,
"and I don't know how to make her see that.
"There's actually more crazy stuff,
"but I figured a dead catfish would show you
"what we're dealing with.
We need to find out the truth so she can move on."
- ♪ You're never gonna leave me ♪
- "Please help. Thank you, Laurannette."
- ♪ Wishes in my head ♪
♪ ♪
- Um...
- I mean, part of me feels like, "He's dead.
You'll get over it." - Let him go.
- Nothing ever good comes from trying to
bring people back to life. - Dig up the dead?
No, no, no. No.
We're joking but, like, could he actually be dead?
- It's true. - We got to hit up Laurannette.
♪ ♪
Can you join our Zoom? [computer chimes]
Nobody invited Gabriela to the funeral?
- Was there a news story? Was there a police report?
- That would be easy to find. [computer chimes]
[gasps] Laurannette.
Pull over, drive safe.
We don't need two bodies on our hands.
[computer chimes] - [gasps]
- Hey. - Hello.
- I can't believe this. Like, you guys answered.
I really need your help.
I needed it, like, yesterday. [chuckles]
- Yeah. - Wait, so do you have
a minute just to kind of give us the whole backstory?
- Yes, I do. [laughter]
First of all,
I'm very skeptical about a lot of stuff.
So as soon as she told me, I was like,
"I don't know, Gabby. This don't sound right."
And when I heard Kendrick's going to come and see her,
I was like, "Oh, no. Mm-mm." - Where does he live?
- In Atlanta, like, two hours away,
but he never showed.
- And the reason he didn't show up
was because somehow he ended up getting shot.
And someone texted her or...
- But even after he died,
she hasn't considered that he might not have been real?
- I go on Snapchat,
and she's "RIP," and she's crying at work.
She's like a really-- I don't want to get emotional,
but she's really, like, she's a strong person.
Like, she got four kids.
Like, she does a lot by herself.
- Wow. - I'm about to cry, guys.
- Aww.
- I don't want to cry.
'Cause that's like my sister, so...
- I get it. My cousin is like my sister.
- She's lucky to have you looking out for her.
We got to talk to Gabby. Do you think she'd be okay
to let us step in and see what we can find out?
- I could text her right now
and see, like, if she's willing to do it.
- Text her.
- Okay, let me text her real quick.
- Let's see if we can get her on the line.
- I just asked her if she can come to my house.
I told them about Kendrick, and they want to help.
She said, "Oh, [bleep]."
Yeah, so I'm gonna drive home.
Do you want me to text you guys or something?
- Yeah. - Okay.
Bye. - See ya.
[computer chimes] Ay-yi-yi-yi-yi.
We've got a dead one. [laughs]
- Oh, I just need a nap.
♪ ♪
[phone chimes] All right, she texted.
She said they're ready. [computer chimes]
both: Hey.
- Hey. - What's up?
- Gabriela. - What's up?
- First of all, how are you?
- Um, a lot of things been going on,
AKA the whole Kendrick situation,
but besides that, I'm getting my life together,
and I'm good.
- Obviously, we got a little bit of info
on what went down. - From Laurannette.
- Right, but we would love to hear
your take on this whole situation.
- I met Kendrick through Snapchat.
He hit me up and said, "Hey, beautiful."
I'm like, "Do I know you?"
He's like, "No, I don't know you.
"I was in a Snapchat group. They said that you were cute,
"and so I decided to add you."
And he sent me a picture, and I'm like, "Okay, okay.
You know, you smash, you know." [laughs]
- Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
- So we start talking, and then he kept hitting me up.
And, you know, "How's your day, beautiful?"
About a week later, we exchanged numbers.
- Were you talking on the phone or just texting?
- We texted, and we texted almost every day.
He seemed like he had a good head on his shoulders.
He seemed smart and funny and a very caring person.
He talked about, "Oh, I want to be with you.
"I want to spend time with you.
"I want to settle down with you."
And me being separated from my previous relationship
for almost a year now, it just--
it felt nice to hear those things.
- Okay.
- You're coming out of that relationship.
Kendrick finds you.
He's saying all the right things.
Was he talking about coming to visit you a lot?
- Yeah, we definitely planned to meet up,
but I received this message from Holiday Season,
which is his longtime ex-girlfriend.
He was trying to get away from her,
but she's crazy.
- Her name is Holiday Season?
- Her Snapchat name is, yeah. - Okay.
- She said, "You been talking to my man."
I said, "I literally just want to get to know him."
So she said, "Okay, good. I'll allow you to be friends."
And I'm like, "Okay, whatever."
So he was packing his bags to come see me.
I spoke to him early in the morning.
It's a two-hour drive from Atlanta to Greenville.
So I'm like, "Okay, you should be here by the afternoon."
Then, later on in the evening,
I couldn't get any reply from him.
Holiday hits me up, and she tells me,
"He's in the hospital.
"He got shot in the chest twice.
He's fighting for his life." - How did that happen?
- She's like, "It's probably
his hood-ass friends" and stuff like that.
I'm like, "Wait, what? Are you serious?"
A few days later, Holiday told me that he was
gonna get moved to Miami to see a specialist.
When that happened, that's when I started getting text messages
back from Kendrick while he was at the hospital.
- Oh. - You know, I'm like,
"Okay, this is a catfish." But when he sent the picture...
- Yeah, he sent-- - That threw me off
because it was him in the hospital
with everything on. - With a hospital gown, yeah.
♪ ♪
So, while he's in the hospital,
that's when he started throwing the "I love you.
"I want to be with you.
I know what I want out of my life."
And he was to have surgery August 3rd.
And I texted him that morning,
and he was, you know, a little scared.
So, you know, I just tried to lift his spirits.
And that's when I sent one top titty pic.
You know, make you feel better. Think about that.
- You sent him a titty pic before surgery?
[laughter]
- I wanted to make him feel better.
- You said, "If you gonna go out,
go out with these." - Yeah.
[laughter]
- Oh, my God. Wow.
- So he goes into surgery. I didn't hear from him.
And then I got a message from his cousin, Tim.
He said, "Kendrick died mid-surgery."
He said, "He told me about you.
"He said you were a good girl
who deserved to have a good guy."
And then the last time I spoke to Tim,
Tim was telling me that Kendrick was getting cremated.
The next day, I asked, "How was the celebration?"
And I never got a response from him ever again.
- I mean, that's very--that's tough.
- It's crazy. It definitely hit me hard
'cause I'd grown to care about him.
So it was tough.
- I want to say sorry for your loss,
but it's hard to know what is real and what isn't
in this situation 'cause it's so chaotic.
- Yeah.
It's crazy, but I did grow fond of him.
And it was real for me.
- I'm very curious to see Kendrick.
And I'm obviously curious to see Holiday.
Can you show us some pics? - Yeah, I can pull it up.
- Guys, I've seen all these pictures,
so look out for her. I know y'all got her.
So I'm gonna go. - Oh, okay.
- And it was really nice talking to you.
I really--I'm thankful that you guys reached out
and you can help her.
- You came to the right place.
- Bye, guys.
- Bye. Thank you. - Bye.
- Let me share this, you guys.
All right, that's Kendrick.
- Okay. - Right?
- He's cute. - And that's Holiday Season.
- Okay.
- This is messages I sent to Kendrick
to his phone while he was in the hospital.
- Send me a special picture. Show me how your booty looks.
- Body. - Body looks.
- Oh, sorry. [laughter]
- But I think that's what he meant.
Oh, you said, "Is it possible for you
"to send me a pic of you now?"
- All right, let's see the picture with him...
there we go. - That looks like the guy.
- He's definitely in the hospital.
- But then he says, "Send me something sexy on Snap."
- Yeah.
- Seems to find a way to just sort of always
come back to mentioning that he wants nude pics.
- Nudes? - Mm-hmm.
- Do you have any enemies
or anybody that would want to get back at you for anything?
- The only thing I can think of is that
December of last year, me and my best friend
of 15 years--we fell out.
It's a possibility that she's involved.
- And you never heard his voice?
- No.
- Well, I would definitely say she could be a suspect.
- Okay, Gabriela, I don't know what you got us involved in.
- Yeah, I don't know what I got myself involved in.
- So send us all those people's info
just so we can consider them and do some research.
- Okay. - Sit tight,
and we'll get back to you as soon as we have some info.
- All right, thank you so much. I appreciate you guys' help.
[laughter]
both: Bye. [computer chimes]
- Obviously, the whole situation is made up.
- "It's my last night on earth.
Please send me a picture of your ass."
- Yeah. - Give me a break.
- I don't know a lot about what's going on here,
but I definitely know for sure
that this is about to get real messy.
- All right, we got Gabby. She's 29.
She gets this message from
a seemingly sweet guy on Snapchat, Kendrick.
They get closer and closer, but of course,
the day Kendrick's supposed to show up,
he goes ghost.
Gabby gets a Snapchat from a girl named Holiday,
who says he got shot in the chest twice.
He finally texts Gabby and says, "It's not good.
I'm gonna need a surgery."
- I'm gonna need the titty pics.
- Right, "And can you send me some titty pics?"
And then she hears from this guy, Tim,
Kendrick's cousin, who says, "Unfortunately,
Kendrick's surgery does not go well."
Apparently he dies. - Allegedly.
It's like a real-life spam email.
- So that's the situation. We need to figure out
if Kendrick was a real person, A.
If he wasn't, then he probably didn't die.
Then who was she talking to? Could it be Tim?
- Mm-hmm. - Could Holiday
be also Tim or could this all have been
orchestrated by her recently ex-best friend?
There's a lot of monkey business going on here.
- [chuckles] - And mommy called the doctor
and the doctor said...
- No more monkeys jumping on the bed.
- That's right. All right, let's see.
Do we have an email here from her?
Yes.
"I don't have any info on his ex
"other than she went by Holiday Season on Snapchat.
"Kendrick's cousin's name is Tim [bleep].
"He's 33 and also lives in Georgia.
"His phone number.
"My ex-friend's name is Karla [bleep].
She's blocked me, but here's her Facebook."
And these are the pictures
of Holiday, Tim, and then Kendrick.
All right, so what do you want to start with?
- We start with the pictures.
I feel like this Kendrick guy,
in the pictures, is probably somebody.
- All right, so let's see.
Let's start with the one of him smiling with the chain.
All right, you think we're gonna get any hit?
- Big money, big money, big money.
- Oh, we got it. - [gasps]
- Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
- What is this?
- This is a Twitter account. Someone must've posted or...
- That's him right there. - What?
It is? - That's him.
That is him. - Are you sure?
- Mynamegucci, yes. - Why doesn't it look...
oh, yeah. - That's him.
- That's his account.
- Mynamegucci, model, actor, photographer, wow.
So this guy's like a person.
How many followers does he have?
30,000 people on Twitter.
- He has an Instagram on there.
- Right.
- I told you he was known.
- Here he is. There--that's the picture.
- That's the [bleep] picture. - His profile picture
is one of the pictures he sent Gabby.
So let's message him. - Hey, Gucc.
Somebody been using your pics. [computer chimes]
- All right, it's sent.
- Was he in the hospital?
Like, how did they get that hospital picture?
- It doesn't really seem like the kind
of pic this guy would put up, right?
- Maybe a long time ago?
- Well, that's all for his Instagram.
- Can we run the hospital picture?
- Yeah, let's do that.
All right, hospital pic search.
Nothing, okay. Well, wait a second, okay.
So, good news, the pictures of Kendrick is actually someone
who calls himself Gucci, who's very much alive and well.
Which means the person Gabby's talking to is lying
and most likely is alive. - Mm-hmm.
- Which means that Tim, the cousin,
is also lying. - What about Holiday's picture?
What about that? - Let's see if she comes up.
- Nothing? Let's look at the ex-bestie.
- Let's see. - Karla [bleep].
- Is private.
- All buttoned up. Nothing here.
What else we got?
- All right, let's do a phone search then.
So Kendrick's phone number. Let's search that.
Oh, yeah.
- The old text app. - Bandwidth.com.
All right. - Plain and simple.
What about Tim's number?
- All right, let's try that. Come on, Tim.
- Timothy [bleep]. - Oh.
Same last name he told her, so that's him.
Yeah, okay.
So he's telling the truth-- his name is Tim [bleep]--
but look, there are two entries for Timothy [bleep].
We should be able to find his Facebook page, right?
'Cause maybe he's being himself, you know what I mean?
There aren't that many,
and none of them immediately look like...
- Where does it say he lives?
- Hawkinsville, Georgia.
- Or the other one.
- Oh, this one says... - Greenville.
- South Carolina. - That's where Gabby lives.
- [gasps]
He says he lived in Atlanta, I thought.
- No-- - Oh, Gucci.
- [gasps] What'd he say?
- He said, "What's up? No way, man.
This ain't 'Catfish.'" - Send a pic.
- Yo, Gucci, it's us. We're for real.
I'm gonna send you a link. Join our Zoom, all right?
- Right now. Perfect.
- In the meantime, let's look up Tim, Greenville.
[smacks lips] No.
[computer chimes] - Someone's in Zoom.
- Oh, [bleep].
What's up, Gucci? - Yo, hey.
I can't believe this, man. There's no way.
No way. - Well, wait a second.
We got to tell you what's going on, all right?
You got a minute? - Yes.
- All right, so we're trying to help a girl
who was talking to this guy. - Mm-hmm.
- He said his name was Kendrick,
and then, three weeks ago, he died, okay?
We then just searched the pictures of Kendrick,
and it brought us to you. - What?
- Tell us how life is beyond the grave.
- Right. - [laughs]
- And one of the pictures they'd used
was a picture of you in a hospital bed.
This--is this you?
- No. What the--
[laughter] Nah.
- Okay, so that's not you. - Never [bleep].
- All right, well, I didn't know.
I mean... - I thought it kind of looked
like it could've been you.
- Okay, so listen.
So we appreciate you chatting with us.
It's going to come as quite a shock to Gabby
that Kendrick was sending her pictures of you
and you never died.
So if--could you make,
like, a really quick little video?
- Yeah, I got you. - And I appreciate it, man.
It was good to meet you. - I'm glad to help.
- Later, man. - Bye.
Well, there goes it. - I mean, here's what's wild.
Whoever Gabby's talking to came up with the idea
to kill him off... - Mm-hmm.
- And then needed to find a picture of someone
who looked like Gucci and did a pretty good job.
- And found--they did--I--I was convinced.
- Yeah. Well, so now,
the only person that feels real is Tim.
Tim is definitely our number-one suspect.
- Mm-hmm, absolutely.
Do we think that the friend that could possibly have
a vendetta against Gabby is connected to Tim [bleep]?
Because the phone number did come back
to Greenville, South Carolina, which is where Gabby lives.
- I mean, it's possible.
I think we got to show the video of Gucci
so that she can relieve herself of whatever sadness or guilt
she may be feeling about his death.
- Mm-hmm. - And then, I think,
we reach out to Tim.
I mean, 'cause he's clearly
the sort of continuation of Kendrick.
So if we're gonna get to the truth,
we're gonna have to go through Tim.
- All right, so we have to show Gabby Gucci...
- Mm-hmm.
- Which is gonna be a lot for her.
- How often do you get the opportunity
to tell someone, "He has risen"?
I feel like it's resurrection Sunday.
- And Gucci hasn't sent a video yet.
We'll see if that comes in.
We've definitely got our work cut out for us.
- All right, well... - You ready?
- Ready.
♪ ♪
- Let's check in with Gabby, see what she's up to.
- What's up?
- We've got some good news and some bad news.
- That's how you want to start it off?
[computer chimes] - "Oh, lawd."
- Okay. [computer chimes]
- Wait, oh, hey. - New hair, who this?
- Hey. Yeah, this is all natural.
[laughs] - I love it.
- Thank you.
- What's with the broken heart pendant?
- Oh because either way, I feel like I'm still getting
the [bleep] end of the stick, 'cause if he's real,
he's really dead.
If it's all fake,
then that's still [bleep] up.
- Well...
- I guess we should just dive in.
So the first thing that we did was we did an image search,
and we got a hit.
This Twitter page. - Okay.
- And when we looked at the pictures of this person,
we noticed it's the guy in the pictures
that you've been was Kendrick. - Okay, so he's real.
- Yes but this person goes by Gucci.
He calls himself a model, actor, photographer.
Lives in Atlanta and Houston. He's got an Instagram,
25,000 followers.
And so we just reached out to him on Instagram.
And we had a brief FaceTime call with him.
He's very much alive, and he doesn't know who you are.
♪ ♪
- [clears throat]
Just to think that I mourned over a death
of somebody that's still alive, that's cruel.
I mean, I'm glad he's alive,
but I was kind of hoping he was dead, to be honest.
It would've been a much easier pill to swallow.
That's crazy.
I was not expecting to cry. [chuckles]
So, uh, what now?
♪ ♪
- So this, of course,
was the first piece of the puzzle, right?
Is Kendrick the guy in the photos?
No. So with this information now,
we started thinking if we know Kendrick lied about the photos,
that means that Holiday is lying,
and it also means that Tim is also lying.
Interestingly, when we ran Tim's number,
that came back to Tim [bleep],
the same name that he told you.
Well that got us thinking, "Well, okay, well maybe
he's being honest..." - Mm-hmm.
- "about what his name is," but here's what's interesting.
There are two potential owners for this phone number.
The first one's in Georgia.
- Right, that's what he told me.
- But then, when we look at the other owner,
look what changes. - Greenville, South Carolina.
- Which is where you live.
That made us realize...hold on a second.
So here's this guy who apparently lived in your town,
and then just coincidentally, his cousin Kendrick,
who now turns out is totally fake, finds you on Snapchat,
falls in love with you.
That's just starting to feel a little too coincidental.
- Definitely.
- Is it possible that you may have met Tim before?
Was there anybody that you met maybe at work,
maybe at the [bleep] CVS... - [laughs]
- That tried to talk to you that you may have been like,
"[groans] no. Like, not into you"?
- I'm not sure.
I tried to contact Tim after Kendrick's celebration,
and I never got a response back from him.
- Which is weird, because why introduce yourself...
- Right. - Potentially as the real you
and then not do anything with it?
- Right. [computer chimes]
Oh, here we go.
Gucci just sent a video that he made for us to show you.
I'm gonna send it to you right now.
- Hey, what's up, Gabby?
I'm sorry to tell you that
the person you were talking to was not me.
I'm sorry. That was a catfish.
This is the real me, Gucci.
And, you know...
♪ ♪
- Why target me?
I'm just a regular person.
- Yeah, it's confusing.
- ♪ I don't know what to do ♪
- The fact that they really had to, like,
get my feelings involved to kill somebody off,
that's cruel.
- ♪ Come, feel, smile ♪
♪ ♪
- Can I have a moment?
- Sure.
♪ ♪
- ♪ Can I tell you I love you ♪
♪ And still ♪
- She had already dealt with him being dead,
so now it's like she's gotta deal with him not being dead
and then confirming
that the whole relationship wasn't even real.
- It's really [bleep] up.
- ♪ I don't know what to do ♪
♪ And neither do you ♪
- It's almost like we don't know which one is worse.
Is it worse if he was dead, or is it worse now?
- She had already dealt with him being dead.
- Right. - So now it's like,
she's gotta deal with him not being dead,
which means that the whole relationship wasn't even real.
- She's taking this way harder than I think she even expected,
but I think that we should do what we can
while we can to figure it out.
- I guess we have Tim's number.
We know that's his number.
- Right. - So we should just text him.
Right? - Mm-hmm.
Right, let me message Tim.
Hey, Tim, this is Nev from "Catfish."
I'm so sorry about Kendrick
and are trying to help you and Gabby move forward
and just wanted to connect you guys officially.
Please get back to me ASAP, thanks.
- That'll do it. [phone chimes]
- All right, well--oh. Well, wait a second.
So--okay, so Tim saw and read. - Mm-hmm.
- So that's something.
At least we know that he got the message.
- But no response, Tim?
- But no response. [phone chimes]
both: Oh.
- What? - Laurannette.
[gasps]
- Laurannette wants to talk. Uh-oh.
- That's suspicious.
It's not Laurannette. She wouldn't do that.
It's not Laurannette.
- Oh, my God. This has happened before.
[computer chimes]
- Hey. - Hi.
- Hey, what's up? So you're at Gabby's?
- This is my house.
- Oh, right, right. Is Gabby still there?
- She stepped outside. She was upset.
both: Yeah.
- And she explained everything?
- Yeah, so I'm, like, a little bit in shock.
I just wanted to at least talk to you guys
'cause, you know, like, I be having her back.
I want you guys to have her back too.
All this stuff--she already been through stuff,
and now she's going through this.
And it's, like, unnecessary. You know what I mean?
I know... - You're with them?
- Hey. - I'm back.
- Okay.
We were just talking about you. - Yeah.
- Oh, I know.
Basically, I've just come to the conclusion,
at the end of the day, I want to know
the truth behind everything,
the reasoning behind it,
and, you know, the big question is why.
- Well, have you heard anything from Tim?
Or anyone? - No.
- Okay 'cause we sent him a text after we hung up with you.
And he read it, so I wasn't sure
if maybe he would've reached out to you.
- I mean, should I try to reach out to him?
- Couldn't hurt if you did just to let him know
that this is serious and, like,
you know, you would really like to speak with him.
- Laurannette, to answer what you were talking to us about.
We got you.
- Thank you.
- So I texted him. - I hope he writes back.
- Mm-hmm.
- All right, I guess it's just a waiting game.
It's been delivered.
- Any last advice for your cousin?
- I want you to be strong
and if you have feelings, let them out.
It's okay. Don't cry.
You gonna make me cry. Stop.
- Go away. I'm okay.
- Okay, now I gotta leave.
You gonna make me cry. - Okay.
- I'm done with y'all. [laughter]
- A family of criers. - I know.
- First the tissues in the car. - I want to be G.
- We said that but don't-- - I be crying too.
That's all I do. - Okay, bye, Nev.
Bye, Kamie.
- Bye. Thanks, Laurannette.
- Look out for her. - The--we will.
Okay, nothing on text?
- Let's see.
No.
- So let me send one more message to Tim.
I feel like she deserves that, don't you?
- Don't you? Mm.
[computer chimes] Turn it up.
[computer chimes]
[gasps] - Oh, he wrote back.
- "You're right. Kendrick isn't dead."
Oh, Jesus. Yeah, we know that.
- We know, sweetie. - I'm so nervous.
Yes, duh.
What the [bleep] you talking about?
If you're getting a message from Nev from "Catfish,"
you got caught. - [laughs]
It's time to clear some [bleep] up.
What are you saying? - Damn.
[computer chimes] How do we do that?
Okay.
- I think the best way
would be face to face.
We're in a Zoom.
No judgments. Just looking for the truth.
- Who said nothing about no judgment?
I don't know why you lying to him.
Send him the link. - Oh, I'm judging.
Damn, skippy. [laughter]
- Send him...
- These three dots are the most
anxious thing in the world, I swear.
♪ ♪
[computer chimes] - "Is there a link?"
- All right.
[computer chimes]
All right, so are you--so if he clicks on that right now,
he's gonna come in. Are you okay with that?
- Oi, yes. [chuckles]
- Do you think that there's any way
that your ex-best friend is working with Tim?
- Oh, if it's somebody I know,
I'm showing them my monkey ass, okay?
I want all peace and harmony for every [bleep] body,
but the thing, is don't get
that [bleep] with that [bleep] [bleep].
- Period. - If it's somebody I know,
I mean, like, bitch, meet me outside.
We in the same city. [computer chimes]
Oh, [bleep]. - Oh.
- Oh, my God. I don't even know.
[chuckles] - Is someone here?
Oh, hello.
[computer chimes]
- Is someone here?
Hello--oh, hello.
- Hello, hello.
- You’re Tim, I presume? - Yeah.
- Well, welcome. This is Gabby,
I think as you already know.
And, uh, we’re just trying to clear this up
because there’s been a lot going on these past few months
between Gabby and Kendrick
and then you and then this other girl, Holiday.
And we’re looking for someone who might be able to help us,
and we were hoping that was you.
- Okay, um...
what would you like to know?
- Well, we know Kendrick isn’t dead.
So how about you just start there?
- Um...
All right. Uh, let’s see.
How should I start?
- Did you make up Holiday Season as well,
the ex-girlfriend?
- I made up everybody.
- Are you real? Is your real name Tim [bleep]?
- Yeah. - You sure?
- Mm-hmm. - So you are the person
who’s been talking to Gabby
as both Holiday and Kendrick the whole time?
- Yep.
- And, so tell us, what--how and why did you
start talking to Gabby?
- Just made the account to, like, do research.
I’m writing a story, so I felt like
I needed something real and raw to go off on.
So I pretty much--I didn’t really pick her.
She just, kind of, like chose herself
’cause she kept engaging into the conversations.
- Uh, uh, uh, uh. Nah, nah.
We not gonna say that you didn’t pick me [bleep],
’cause you definitely picked me.
You hit me up first.
You found me. You found my Snapchat.
So how the [bleep] did you find me?
- I did a search, just random people.
- You mean you just, like, typed in a name...
- Mm-hmm. - And just whoever came up,
you just friend requested? - Added.
- Or added. - Yeah, and you the only one
that kept talking, so... - So I’m just a story for you?
What the [bleep] is your story about?
- It’s like a love triangle. Pretty much what was going on
between Holiday, Kendrick, and yourself.
I was just trying out to see how you would react with them.
- So basically, I’m a [bleep] guinea pig
for your little wack-ass story?
- [blows raspberry]
- You lied to me!
You had me emotionally invested in somebody,
killed him off, and you seen me
through Kendrick’s Snapchat, crying on Snapchat, "RIP,
rest in peace," and all this bull[bleep].
And you think that’s [bleep] funny?
You literally [bleep] my emotions,
and then you came in as yourself.
Why did you come in as yourself, as his cousin?
- ’Cause honestly, like, to clear the air.
- But you didn’t clear the air. You told me that you guys
were gonna have a cremation and then a celebration
and then, like, all this extra stuff.
And the things Kendrick said to you about me.
Like, I don’t understand.
- Let’s start with you. - All right.
- Who are you? Where are you?
How old are you? - I’m Tim.
I am 33. I am at my house right now.
- In South Carolina? - No.
- You’re in Georgia. - Yes.
- Did you used to live in Greenville?
- Yes.
- When you told Gabby
Kendrick was coming to meet her...
- Mm-hmm. - Was there any part of you
that actually thought you might go and meet her,
that you wanted to go and meet her?
- No. - So you never felt any
attraction to or interest in Gabby romantically?
- None. - So that was all
just totally part of whatever the story was for you.
- Yeah.
[keys clacking] [computer chimes]
- How soon before did you have the sort of plan
that you were going to kill off Kendrick?
- It came to me, like, as soon as she wanted to see Kendrick.
- Right. - So, right then and there,
I thought about ways to end it.
And I felt like the best way was to kill the character.
- Do you feel any kind of remorse whatsoever?
- Um...
Not really ’cause it’s not real.
- It wasn’t real for you? Fine.
It was real for me.
I’m real. My feelings are real.
The tears I shed for a person
who I thought was dead was real.
I cared about somebody,
and the next thing you know, he’s dead.
- You certainly understood that she was having these feelings,
which is the whole point of why you did this
’cause you wanted to know what someone going through this
would do and how they would feel.
- Right.
- It might not be real for your plot
and your storyline and your book,
but it’s real for her because she’s a real human being.
- I feel embarrassed and humiliated.
And it’s not even that you want a relationship.
It’s the fact that you’re doing this for a stupid-ass research.
- I almost--Gabby, I’m sorry. Can you pause, Gabby?
I almost, like, don’t even want you to pour your heart out
right now because something tells me that Tim is, like,
getting off on this [bleep], and I just can’t watch it.
So, Tim, if you want to apologize, apologize.
If you don’t, don’t.
- Um...
[keys clacking] [computer chimes]
[blows raspberry]
- Tim, if you want to apologize, apologize.
If you don’t, don’t.
- Uh...
[keys clacking] [computer chimes]
[blows raspberry]
As far as, like, the research,
I’ve already got everything
I feel like I needed from this,
but I do see that they invested
a lot of emotions into that character.
And that I’m sorry that he wasn’t real for you.
- I honestly take that apology
and you can shove it up your ass.
I don’t believe it’s genuine
’cause at the end of the day, it’s you.
I’m just a guinea pig for your story.
And you think that [bleep] funny.
You’re a [bleep] coward. You’re a whole bitch.
- All right, well, look, let’s take a quick break,
cool down a little, and we can talk to you guys one on one.
All right? So just hang tight, Tim.
We’ll bring you back in in a little bit.
[computer chimes]
- It’s like, "Oh, I want to write a murder mystery.
"Let me go out and kill somebody,
"do some weirdo [bleep], and then write about it."
- I don’t know if I buy that he’s a writer...
- I don’t either.
- And that this is all going to actually be for something.
I think, the only way he could, like, get close
to having any kind of actual human connection was through
this fake character that he created because he’s clearly
not very good at doing it in person.
So are you cool if we just talk to him
for a bit without you?
Maybe he’ll open up more. I don’t know.
- Yeah, that’s fine.
- All right, we’re gonna go talk to him.
- Well, hopefully, you can get some answers out of him.
[computer chimes] - I don’t want to talk to him.
He gives me the creeps.
[computer chimes]
- Hey, man. - Hello.
- All right, well, look, I know this is a lot,
and obviously, with Gabby on, it was a little extra.
- Yeah. - But nice that at least
you do want to kind of help clear the air, come clean.
We’re just confused because it seemed like you connected
with Gabby in such a intimate, personal way.
And, you know, you really sold yourself
as someone capable of... - Loving someone.
- Deep love and connection, and we’re just confused
because you don’t seem to be exhibiting those traits.
- Yeah because it wasn’t me doing all that.
I was just being a character. It wasn’t my emotions.
It wasn’t my feelings at all. Like the way Gabriela responded
to Kendrick and the way she responded to Holiday...
if somebody was reading it, I want them to feel
that sort of thing as well,
like the type of emotion she felt.
And all I wanted to do is just, once I killed
the character, have it end right then and there.
I mean, I learned a lot about character development.
So I got what I wanted out of it.
- Well, we’re glad you got what you wanted,
but Gabby didn’t.
- This was really [bleep] up, and it’s not okay.
And you messed with someone’s feelings
who was already vulnerable,
and you can’t just play with people’s lives like this
and then leave them high and dry because you’re done.
- Yeah. - These are real people.
This isn’t a part of a story or a book.
- It definitely, definitely, like,
was a learning experience.
I am sorry about how she felt,
and it sucks that
she did invest so much
into someone that she thought was real,
but I didn’t really think about her.
You know, I was only thinking about myself.
So it was good for me to, like, see how it affected her
and how it was not okay to do such a thing.
- All right, well that’s--
- Good, thank you for saying that.
- Yeah. Happy to hear you say that.
- Maybe you can say that to her.
- She already stated that she wants me
to shut my sorry little ass, so...
- Yeah, I mean, I don’t think there’s any good that can come
from you guys talking to each other anymore right now.
- Thank you for coming on and being honest.
Good luck with everything,
and hopefully, we don’t have to see you again.
- We probably won’t.
- I guess that’s that. - All right, thank you.
- All right, later, Tim.
[computer chimes]
- [groans]
[laughs]
My therapist is going to have a field day with this one.
[computer chimes]
- Well, we tried.
Talked to him a little bit more.
He did strangely say that he’s glad that he understands now
how what he did hurt your feelings.
- He did a very backwards-ass way of saying
that it was good... - Right, it was good for him.
- That he understands... - That now he understands.
- How he affected you negatively.
- Yeah. So, look,
Tim’s clearly on the slower side of emotional maturity
when it comes to empathy and connection.
And perhaps this was an effort for him
to try to connect with people more,
and whether it was for a story or just because
he desperately wants to feel love and...
- Yeah. - Connection and he doesn’t
know how to do it in his real life.
Who knows? - We’re just glad
that you have closure. - Yeah.
- And you can now move on with your life.
- Hopefully, he takes this as a life lesson,
he learns from it, and, like,
hopefully, he doesn’t do this to nobody else.
If not, you might be getting
another phone call from somebody.
- Oh, my God.
- All right, Gabby, happy--hey, look, it’s Friday.
Go have a drink, all right?
- Yeah, definitely. - Pour one out for Kendrick.
- [laughs]
- All right, bye, Gabby. - Bye.
- ♪ Your love you gave to me ♪
♪ You can have it back ♪
♪ All I got was a heart attack ♪
♪ And you can have it back ♪
♪ Do, do you can have it back ♪
♪ Do, do, do, do ♪
♪ ♪
- Let's go, Nev. We're on the road.
- We got William talking to Breezy.
- Wait a minute, we know this guy.
- William the baddest is back.
- I just want someone to love me.
- You're looking at his page and there's no interaction?
- Okay. - He doesn't know who I am?
- Been a long time since I knocked on a door.
[knocks on door] Oh, hi.