1 00:00:00,264 --> 00:00:02,165 - ♪ MTV ♪ 2 00:00:02,165 --> 00:00:03,231 - Emma met a guy named EJ. 3 00:00:03,231 --> 00:00:06,462 He claims that he’s part of this group of college athletes 4 00:00:06,462 --> 00:00:09,693 that were sharing this fake social media. 5 00:00:09,693 --> 00:00:10,561 - He would text me 6 00:00:10,561 --> 00:00:12,396 from multiple different phone numbers. 7 00:00:12,396 --> 00:00:14,066 It’s out of control at this point. 8 00:00:14,066 --> 00:00:16,033 - I got a Instagram message from EJ. 9 00:00:16,033 --> 00:00:20,693 He sent me multiple pictures of Emma naked. 10 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,561 - Is there something he seems to want? 11 00:00:23,561 --> 00:00:25,165 [escalating music] 12 00:00:25,165 --> 00:00:26,000 - To be with me. 13 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,165 [dramatic musical sting] 14 00:00:28,165 --> 00:00:31,462 - All right. There she is. Back from London. 15 00:00:31,462 --> 00:00:33,528 - I can’t believe I’m seeing you. 16 00:00:33,528 --> 00:00:35,660 - Wow, really? - Yeah. Oh. 17 00:00:35,660 --> 00:00:36,693 - I got hugs. 18 00:00:36,693 --> 00:00:38,726 Oh, you got the new flag, huh? 19 00:00:38,726 --> 00:00:40,033 - Yeah. I’ve changed. 20 00:00:40,033 --> 00:00:41,330 [British accent] I’ve changed, babe. 21 00:00:41,330 --> 00:00:43,495 - Tell me about "Catfish UK." 22 00:00:44,363 --> 00:00:46,594 - Hey. - Hey! 23 00:00:46,594 --> 00:00:48,726 - I mean, that is-- that’s the shot. 24 00:00:48,726 --> 00:00:50,396 - [British accent] Oh, look, some tea. 25 00:00:50,396 --> 00:00:52,198 So perfect. Thank you. 26 00:00:52,198 --> 00:00:53,462 - That’s actually really good. 27 00:00:53,462 --> 00:00:55,330 - I’ve switched sides. - Yeah. 28 00:00:55,330 --> 00:00:57,198 - The British are coming. 29 00:00:57,198 --> 00:00:59,462 - Lady Kamie, your throne. 30 00:00:59,462 --> 00:01:01,462 - [laughing] 31 00:01:01,462 --> 00:01:02,429 - Anyway, let’s get to work. 32 00:01:02,429 --> 00:01:04,396 Enough chit-chat. We’ve got emails. 33 00:01:04,396 --> 00:01:07,528 Here’s one. "He’s already confessed too much. 34 00:01:07,528 --> 00:01:11,066 Hey, Nev and Kamie, my name is Emma." 35 00:01:11,066 --> 00:01:14,132 I’m a 24-year-old speech pathologist 36 00:01:14,132 --> 00:01:15,363 from Kenilworth, New Jersey. 37 00:01:15,363 --> 00:01:18,528 I’ve been involved with someone named EJ 38 00:01:18,528 --> 00:01:19,792 for the past six months, 39 00:01:19,792 --> 00:01:24,594 but my question is how many people have I been talking to? 40 00:01:24,594 --> 00:01:27,462 - Mmm... - I met EJ on social media, 41 00:01:27,462 --> 00:01:32,066 and I instantly thought, "That’s my future husband." 42 00:01:32,264 --> 00:01:33,264 He’s cute, and at the time, 43 00:01:33,264 --> 00:01:36,297 played football for the University of [bleep]. 44 00:01:36,297 --> 00:01:38,396 He’s very caring and thoughtful 45 00:01:38,396 --> 00:01:40,792 and always checks on me. 46 00:01:42,396 --> 00:01:43,330 I recently went through 47 00:01:43,330 --> 00:01:46,330 a total health and fitness transformation 48 00:01:46,330 --> 00:01:48,198 and lost over 100 pounds. 49 00:01:48,198 --> 00:01:50,396 - Wow. - So meeting EJ after that 50 00:01:50,396 --> 00:01:51,396 felt magical. 51 00:01:51,396 --> 00:01:53,099 Everything was going great 52 00:01:53,099 --> 00:01:55,231 until EJ started acting in weird ways 53 00:01:55,231 --> 00:01:59,099 and confessing some pretty crazy stuff. 54 00:01:59,099 --> 00:02:02,726 First, EJ told me he would come see me in New Jersey, 55 00:02:02,726 --> 00:02:05,264 but then he stood me up at the last minute. 56 00:02:05,264 --> 00:02:06,396 I was heartbroken. 57 00:02:06,396 --> 00:02:07,858 And when he finally got back in touch, 58 00:02:07,858 --> 00:02:11,594 he told me that his friend Kyle had stolen his phone, 59 00:02:11,594 --> 00:02:15,363 and I was actually talking to Kyle for that time. 60 00:02:15,363 --> 00:02:16,231 ♪ ♪ 61 00:02:16,231 --> 00:02:19,660 And then EJ comes out with a new confession. 62 00:02:19,660 --> 00:02:21,330 Turns out, from the start, 63 00:02:21,330 --> 00:02:24,594 I was talking to EJ’s shady friend Jake. 64 00:02:24,594 --> 00:02:26,660 What? 65 00:02:26,660 --> 00:02:28,528 At that point I was done. 66 00:02:28,528 --> 00:02:30,594 I blocked EJ on everything, 67 00:02:30,594 --> 00:02:31,858 but he wouldn’t stay gone. 68 00:02:31,858 --> 00:02:34,792 I tried to move on and date someone new, 69 00:02:34,792 --> 00:02:36,759 but EJ started DMing that person 70 00:02:36,759 --> 00:02:39,858 and probably ruined my chances with him too. 71 00:02:39,858 --> 00:02:42,429 This is getting stalker level. 72 00:02:42,429 --> 00:02:44,396 Now I’m just freaked out. 73 00:02:44,396 --> 00:02:45,594 He has my home address, 74 00:02:45,594 --> 00:02:48,165 and I’ve sent him really provocative photos. 75 00:02:48,165 --> 00:02:50,561 - ♪ Is it fact or fiction? ♪ 76 00:02:50,561 --> 00:02:52,660 - Please, help me unravel this mess, 77 00:02:52,660 --> 00:02:56,825 and help me find some answers. 78 00:03:00,528 --> 00:03:01,792 - Emma. - Whoa. 79 00:03:01,792 --> 00:03:05,528 Let’s text Emma. We definitely need to find more about this. 80 00:03:05,528 --> 00:03:09,528 - Hello, Emma. It’s Nev and Kamie. 81 00:03:09,528 --> 00:03:12,957 I mean, Steve and Sammy. 82 00:03:12,957 --> 00:03:14,495 [laughing] 83 00:03:14,495 --> 00:03:17,495 Hopefully, she gets the joke. Oh, she gave it a haha. 84 00:03:17,495 --> 00:03:21,363 I need some help understanding this crazy story. 85 00:03:21,363 --> 00:03:22,561 - Do we even know if it’s a guy? 86 00:03:22,561 --> 00:03:23,957 - It’s a very... - Has she talked to him 87 00:03:23,957 --> 00:03:25,429 on the phone? - Strange person. 88 00:03:25,429 --> 00:03:26,561 [chime] - Oh, hey. 89 00:03:26,561 --> 00:03:28,495 - Hey. - Hey. 90 00:03:28,495 --> 00:03:30,924 - Welcome. - Oh, Emma. 91 00:03:30,924 --> 00:03:32,231 Hello, hello. 92 00:03:32,231 --> 00:03:33,627 How are things in New Jersey? 93 00:03:33,627 --> 00:03:34,594 - A little cold, but you know, 94 00:03:34,594 --> 00:03:36,594 other than that, everything’s been cool. 95 00:03:36,594 --> 00:03:38,495 - Well, we want to hear your story. 96 00:03:38,495 --> 00:03:43,330 ’Cause you mentioned in the email that meeting EJ... 97 00:03:43,330 --> 00:03:44,924 - Mm-hmm. - Came right after this 98 00:03:44,924 --> 00:03:47,660 health and fitness and wellness journey. 99 00:03:47,660 --> 00:03:50,528 - So as of a year and a half ago, 100 00:03:50,528 --> 00:03:51,825 I started to work out avidly, 101 00:03:51,825 --> 00:03:53,660 just kind of changed my whole lifestyle 102 00:03:53,660 --> 00:03:55,363 ’cause I wasn’t happy with how I looked, 103 00:03:55,363 --> 00:03:57,891 and I’m down just about 100 pounds. 104 00:03:57,891 --> 00:03:59,495 It’s crazy. - That is crazy. 105 00:03:59,495 --> 00:04:01,264 - Wow. - I look at myself sometimes. 106 00:04:01,264 --> 00:04:02,297 I don’t even recognize myself. 107 00:04:02,297 --> 00:04:05,924 So talking to someone after this whole transition 108 00:04:05,924 --> 00:04:08,528 was kind of a big thing, you know? 109 00:04:08,528 --> 00:04:09,660 - Right. - Yeah. 110 00:04:09,660 --> 00:04:10,891 - So back in April, 111 00:04:10,891 --> 00:04:12,264 he followed me on Instagram. 112 00:04:12,264 --> 00:04:13,693 I was like, "Wow, he’s really cute." 113 00:04:13,693 --> 00:04:16,891 I’ll slide in the DMs. So I messaged him, 114 00:04:16,891 --> 00:04:19,759 and within a day or two, I gave him my phone number. 115 00:04:19,759 --> 00:04:21,627 He started texting. He kind of came in 116 00:04:21,627 --> 00:04:24,594 at a point where I needed someone like him. 117 00:04:24,594 --> 00:04:26,726 Just like a really good caring person, 118 00:04:26,726 --> 00:04:28,429 someone who was willing to listen. 119 00:04:28,429 --> 00:04:31,627 And he would always remember little things that I told him. 120 00:04:31,627 --> 00:04:32,660 I’m like, I’m a sucker. 121 00:04:32,660 --> 00:04:34,528 If you could remember the little things I’m like, 122 00:04:34,528 --> 00:04:37,495 "Oh, you pay attention." It was awesome. 123 00:04:37,495 --> 00:04:38,528 - Okay. And his Instagram 124 00:04:38,528 --> 00:04:42,693 to you looked fully legit and like a real person? 125 00:04:42,693 --> 00:04:43,462 - Oh, yeah. 126 00:04:43,462 --> 00:04:46,462 He had verified athletes commenting on his posts. 127 00:04:46,462 --> 00:04:47,429 - Whoa. Really? 128 00:04:47,429 --> 00:04:48,858 - Oh, he--’cause he played football? 129 00:04:48,858 --> 00:04:50,660 - Yeah. So he claimed. 130 00:04:50,660 --> 00:04:51,660 - What was his position? 131 00:04:51,660 --> 00:04:53,462 - He claimed quarterback. - Classic. 132 00:04:53,462 --> 00:04:56,924 - He could have said safety or something more believable. 133 00:04:56,924 --> 00:04:58,627 - Right? But at that point, 134 00:04:58,627 --> 00:05:00,462 I didn’t really think twice about it. 135 00:05:00,462 --> 00:05:03,495 - And are you guys just texting or talking on the phone? 136 00:05:03,495 --> 00:05:05,924 - So I’d be like, "Oh, can you FaceTime me?" 137 00:05:05,924 --> 00:05:07,462 He’d be like, "Yeah, I’m in my practice. 138 00:05:07,462 --> 00:05:08,726 As soon as I’m done with practice." 139 00:05:08,726 --> 00:05:11,594 - Practice. Practice is the new "in the studio." 140 00:05:11,594 --> 00:05:13,528 - Yeah. "I got practice." It’s so easy. 141 00:05:13,528 --> 00:05:17,858 - Right. And he would always make it a point to FaceTime me 142 00:05:17,858 --> 00:05:21,792 or call me whenever I was asleep. 143 00:05:21,792 --> 00:05:23,660 - Oh my G-- 144 00:05:24,033 --> 00:05:24,825 - Isn’t that insane? 145 00:05:24,825 --> 00:05:27,825 - So you have not spoken to him on the phone? 146 00:05:27,825 --> 00:05:29,396 - No. Never. 147 00:05:29,396 --> 00:05:31,561 - Okay. So why don’t you just take us 148 00:05:31,561 --> 00:05:34,528 down the timeline of the foolishness? 149 00:05:34,528 --> 00:05:36,000 Because there’s been a lot. 150 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,924 - Let’s fast forward now to June. 151 00:05:38,924 --> 00:05:41,924 He tells me he can come see me. 152 00:05:41,924 --> 00:05:43,462 So he buys his airfare. 153 00:05:43,462 --> 00:05:45,033 He’s texting "I’m on my flight." 154 00:05:45,033 --> 00:05:47,792 And then he’s like, "Okay, tomorrow be ready. 155 00:05:47,792 --> 00:05:49,396 I have something special planned for us." 156 00:05:49,396 --> 00:05:52,429 I’m like, "Oh, okay, cool." 1:00 rolls around, 157 00:05:52,429 --> 00:05:53,726 and he tells me he’s outside my house. 158 00:05:53,726 --> 00:05:57,363 So I’m outside on the street and I’m like, "Where are you? 159 00:05:57,363 --> 00:06:00,066 You’re not here. I’m not doing this." 160 00:06:00,066 --> 00:06:02,627 So at this point, I’m done and I cut him off, 161 00:06:02,627 --> 00:06:04,858 but this is where it gets kind of nutty. 162 00:06:04,858 --> 00:06:05,726 After a week and a half, 163 00:06:05,726 --> 00:06:09,066 he claims that his phone got stolen by a kid 164 00:06:09,066 --> 00:06:10,495 who is on the football team. 165 00:06:10,495 --> 00:06:12,660 So EJ was like, "I haven’t been talking to you 166 00:06:12,660 --> 00:06:13,594 for a week and a half." 167 00:06:13,594 --> 00:06:16,561 And he sends me a long screenshot 168 00:06:16,561 --> 00:06:18,561 of a message from this kid Kyle. 169 00:06:18,561 --> 00:06:20,660 And he’s like, "Hey man, I messed up. 170 00:06:20,660 --> 00:06:21,693 I’ve been talking to the girl 171 00:06:21,693 --> 00:06:24,132 and I made it seem like I was in New Jersey." 172 00:06:24,132 --> 00:06:26,957 It was a really long message that was sent. 173 00:06:26,957 --> 00:06:28,165 And I was like, "Wow. Okay, 174 00:06:28,165 --> 00:06:30,792 maybe that’s actually kind of believable." 175 00:06:30,792 --> 00:06:33,462 - No. No. No one would leave their phone 176 00:06:33,462 --> 00:06:35,792 for a week and a half-- it just doesn’t happen. 177 00:06:35,792 --> 00:06:37,561 - Right. At this point something’s 178 00:06:37,561 --> 00:06:39,066 like not sitting right with me. 179 00:06:39,066 --> 00:06:40,726 So I reverse searched his phone number 180 00:06:40,726 --> 00:06:43,594 and it’s registered to a Tiana [bleep]. 181 00:06:43,594 --> 00:06:45,000 - Whoa. - Good work. 182 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,165 - Right? - So what did he say? 183 00:06:46,165 --> 00:06:48,693 - He then proceeded to tell me he actually had a fiancée, 184 00:06:48,693 --> 00:06:51,825 and his fiancée’s name was Tiana [bleep]. 185 00:06:51,825 --> 00:06:53,825 - Oh my God! 186 00:06:53,825 --> 00:06:56,858 - Finally, after days of arguing with him I’m like, 187 00:06:56,858 --> 00:06:58,627 "I don’t believe anything you say. 188 00:06:58,627 --> 00:07:00,132 I think you’re just a liar." 189 00:07:00,132 --> 00:07:02,627 He’s like, "You know what? I have to tell you something." 190 00:07:02,627 --> 00:07:03,858 He’s like, "Look up Jake [bleep]." 191 00:07:03,858 --> 00:07:07,726 And I found out EJ’s pictures are actually the quarterback 192 00:07:07,726 --> 00:07:09,066 at the University of [bleep]. 193 00:07:09,066 --> 00:07:11,198 - So EJ showed you that the pictures 194 00:07:11,198 --> 00:07:13,924 that you thought were EJ had actually been Jake [bleep] 195 00:07:13,924 --> 00:07:15,594 the whole time. - Right. 196 00:07:15,594 --> 00:07:17,033 - What the [bleep] is happening? 197 00:07:17,033 --> 00:07:20,792 - So now EJ is like me, Jake, and this kid Kyle 198 00:07:20,792 --> 00:07:23,000 are behind this Instagram account 199 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:24,594 to cheat on their girlfriends. 200 00:07:24,594 --> 00:07:26,000 - So now he’s claiming 201 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,165 that Jake has been in on this whole thing. 202 00:07:28,165 --> 00:07:29,957 - Right. He sent me one more picture. 203 00:07:29,957 --> 00:07:33,000 He told me, "Hey, this is me," and then 204 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,858 a couple days later, the person came up on my TikTok. 205 00:07:36,858 --> 00:07:39,858 His name was Dane. And I’m like "That’s not you." 206 00:07:39,858 --> 00:07:41,957 - Wait. So he said, "This is actually me" 207 00:07:41,957 --> 00:07:44,627 and he sent you a picture of another kind of hot 208 00:07:44,627 --> 00:07:45,726 influencer guy on TikTok. 209 00:07:45,726 --> 00:07:48,660 - Yeah, he was an athlete. Again, they’re all athletes. 210 00:07:48,660 --> 00:07:50,891 So at this point, I blocked him. 211 00:07:50,891 --> 00:07:53,231 But no matter how I tried to cut this kid off, 212 00:07:53,231 --> 00:07:55,693 he finds different ways to contact me. 213 00:07:55,693 --> 00:07:59,462 So September 18th, I went and I got skin removal 214 00:07:59,462 --> 00:08:02,033 and EJ text me from a different phone number. 215 00:08:02,033 --> 00:08:05,594 It was like, "Here’s a video with Jake wishing you luck." 216 00:08:05,594 --> 00:08:07,594 - Do you still have it? - What, the video? 217 00:08:07,594 --> 00:08:10,264 Yeah. Do you wanna see it? - Yeah, we wanna see it! 218 00:08:10,264 --> 00:08:11,792 - Okay. 219 00:08:11,792 --> 00:08:13,594 - Oh, here we go. 220 00:08:13,594 --> 00:08:16,033 - Hey, Emma. This is Jake. Just wanted to say hi 221 00:08:16,033 --> 00:08:17,759 and wish you luck before your big surgery tomorrow. 222 00:08:17,759 --> 00:08:20,033 Just know that I’m thinking about you 223 00:08:20,033 --> 00:08:21,660 and I’m sure everything will go smoothly. 224 00:08:21,660 --> 00:08:23,033 - It’s a Cameo. It’s a Cameo. 225 00:08:23,033 --> 00:08:25,066 - Do you know what Cameo is? Do you know that app? 226 00:08:25,066 --> 00:08:26,660 - No. - Okay. So there’s an app 227 00:08:26,660 --> 00:08:29,858 where you can find athletes and actors and celebrities-- 228 00:08:29,858 --> 00:08:31,264 - And us. - We’re on there. 229 00:08:31,264 --> 00:08:34,231 And pay them to record a video for you. 230 00:08:34,231 --> 00:08:35,858 - Let’s look up his name. 231 00:08:35,858 --> 00:08:37,000 - Jake [bleep]. 232 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:38,858 - He’s got a [bleep] Cameo. 233 00:08:38,858 --> 00:08:42,264 - What is that? - They’ve only got one on here. 234 00:08:42,264 --> 00:08:44,726 - Emma! - Oh my God! 235 00:08:44,726 --> 00:08:46,231 Wait, but that’s not you, is it? 236 00:08:46,231 --> 00:08:47,759 - No! - "Thank you so much, Jake. 237 00:08:47,759 --> 00:08:51,660 This really made my day. The surgery was a success." 238 00:08:51,660 --> 00:08:53,000 - He must have made an account 239 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,924 and named himself Emma and [bleep] did it! 240 00:08:55,924 --> 00:08:57,132 - Oh my God. 241 00:08:57,132 --> 00:08:57,924 - That’s insane. 242 00:08:57,924 --> 00:09:01,825 - EJ made a fake account calling himself Emma, 243 00:09:01,825 --> 00:09:06,066 requested a Cameo, and then left a review as you... 244 00:09:06,066 --> 00:09:07,858 - Sick. - Post-surgery. 245 00:09:07,858 --> 00:09:09,000 - That’s sick. 246 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:10,330 I am floored. 247 00:09:10,330 --> 00:09:11,924 I am floored. - Wow! 248 00:09:11,924 --> 00:09:12,759 This is nuts. 249 00:09:12,759 --> 00:09:15,066 You are involved with one of the more 250 00:09:15,066 --> 00:09:18,957 creative and sophisticated catfishes we’ve ever seen. 251 00:09:18,957 --> 00:09:21,198 - That’s insane. - Is it easy for you 252 00:09:21,198 --> 00:09:23,198 to show us some of the more recent photos 253 00:09:23,198 --> 00:09:24,297 that EJ has sent you? 254 00:09:24,297 --> 00:09:25,198 - Yeah, definitely. 255 00:09:25,198 --> 00:09:28,891 This is the picture of the guy he claimed he was 256 00:09:28,891 --> 00:09:32,033 after he told me he wasn’t Jake. 257 00:09:32,033 --> 00:09:33,858 - This is Dane. - The TikToker. 258 00:09:33,858 --> 00:09:34,957 - Right. That’s Dane. 259 00:09:34,957 --> 00:09:37,627 This is a picture he posted of Jake. 260 00:09:37,627 --> 00:09:40,957 - Do you have pictures of Kyle? - Yeah. This is Kyle. 261 00:09:40,957 --> 00:09:43,759 - Can we see some of your messages? 262 00:09:43,759 --> 00:09:44,363 - Yeah. 263 00:09:44,363 --> 00:09:47,792 So this is him just constantly reaching out. 264 00:09:47,792 --> 00:09:48,924 - He’s been messaging you on Kik? 265 00:09:48,924 --> 00:09:51,264 - Yeah, because he’s blocked now on social media. 266 00:09:51,264 --> 00:09:53,792 - And he just keeps sending messages. 267 00:09:53,792 --> 00:09:55,132 He just keeps sending messages. 268 00:09:55,132 --> 00:09:58,231 - Yeah. - You’re like still being nice. 269 00:09:58,231 --> 00:09:59,132 - Oh yeah. I’m concerned 270 00:09:59,132 --> 00:10:02,924 because he has nude photos and my address. 271 00:10:02,924 --> 00:10:05,627 But also if I’m mean, 272 00:10:05,627 --> 00:10:07,264 he’ll send me like biblical verses 273 00:10:07,264 --> 00:10:08,330 and tell me I’m disgusting, 274 00:10:08,330 --> 00:10:10,858 because I don’t see that God loves everybody 275 00:10:10,858 --> 00:10:12,330 regardless of the sins that they’ve-- 276 00:10:12,330 --> 00:10:16,594 - Girl, get this [bleep] creep outta here. 277 00:10:16,594 --> 00:10:17,363 What is happening? 278 00:10:17,363 --> 00:10:20,264 - Isn’t that wild? - Wow. Okay. So what else? 279 00:10:20,264 --> 00:10:21,825 - [laughing] No more. 280 00:10:21,825 --> 00:10:23,297 - [laughing] - Please! 281 00:10:23,297 --> 00:10:24,099 - Is there more? 282 00:10:24,099 --> 00:10:26,957 - Yeah, so he messages my friend Tyler. 283 00:10:26,957 --> 00:10:30,726 He’s like, "Do you know Emma? I heard she’s dead." 284 00:10:30,726 --> 00:10:31,858 - What the [bleep]? 285 00:10:31,858 --> 00:10:32,891 - And then EJ’s sending him 286 00:10:32,891 --> 00:10:36,000 screenshots of nude pictures that I have sent him 287 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,924 to try and convince him that he knows me well. 288 00:10:38,924 --> 00:10:41,792 And then a couple weeks ago, I was starting to 289 00:10:41,792 --> 00:10:44,594 go out with someone that I’ve previously gone out with. 290 00:10:44,594 --> 00:10:49,198 And EJ went to the extent of catfishing the guy 291 00:10:49,198 --> 00:10:52,000 that I was seeing as a woman. 292 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,957 And I was like, oh my God... 293 00:10:53,957 --> 00:10:55,891 - Uh...yeah. 294 00:10:55,891 --> 00:10:57,033 - He’s crazy. 295 00:10:57,033 --> 00:10:58,759 - This person is obsessed with you, 296 00:10:58,759 --> 00:11:01,330 and it’s like actually crazy. 297 00:11:01,330 --> 00:11:05,792 - It’s sick, and it’s just it’s out of control at this point. 298 00:11:05,792 --> 00:11:10,132 - Is there something he seems to want? 299 00:11:10,132 --> 00:11:11,264 - To be with me. 300 00:11:11,264 --> 00:11:14,000 - It like literally gives me chills. 301 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:14,858 That’s so weird. 302 00:11:14,858 --> 00:11:17,858 - All right. Listen, Emma, we’ve got a lot of work to do. 303 00:11:17,858 --> 00:11:19,165 - Yes. - Send us everything. 304 00:11:19,165 --> 00:11:21,957 - We’re gonna get into it right now. Sit tight. 305 00:11:21,957 --> 00:11:23,297 We’ll--we’ll be in touch soon. 306 00:11:23,297 --> 00:11:24,891 - Bye. - Bye. 307 00:11:24,891 --> 00:11:25,957 [chime] - This is different. 308 00:11:25,957 --> 00:11:29,000 - Clearly, there is a person or a group of people 309 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,858 who are taking great joy in manipulating her. 310 00:11:32,858 --> 00:11:33,825 - She’s [bleep] scared. 311 00:11:33,825 --> 00:11:34,858 Like, she’s scared. - Right. 312 00:11:34,858 --> 00:11:40,792 - Whoever this person is, it’s time for it to end. 313 00:11:42,192 --> 00:11:44,829 - All that talk about Cameo yesterday made me realize 314 00:11:44,829 --> 00:11:46,664 I’m totally behind on my requests. 315 00:11:46,664 --> 00:11:48,027 All right, ready, Kamie? We gotta do a quick Cameo. 316 00:11:48,027 --> 00:11:49,664 It’s just about to expire. - What you got? 317 00:11:49,664 --> 00:11:52,093 - This is for Sarah from her friend Jack 318 00:11:52,093 --> 00:11:53,928 who says, "I honestly, I don’t watch ’Catfish,’ 319 00:11:53,928 --> 00:11:55,258 So maybe tie that in there somewhere." 320 00:11:55,258 --> 00:11:56,895 - What? - The guy who got it just knows 321 00:11:56,895 --> 00:11:58,258 that she loves the show... - Oh, my God. 322 00:11:58,258 --> 00:11:59,928 - And has like no idea what it is. 323 00:11:59,928 --> 00:12:03,928 Hey, Sarah, it’s Nev here. 324 00:12:03,928 --> 00:12:05,225 Happy birthday. 325 00:12:05,225 --> 00:12:05,928 - Happy birthday. 326 00:12:05,928 --> 00:12:07,664 - And we’re we happy to be a part of it. 327 00:12:07,664 --> 00:12:09,928 - Shout out to Jack, because he sent us here. 328 00:12:09,928 --> 00:12:11,324 - And Jack, who has no idea 329 00:12:11,324 --> 00:12:12,829 what we do or what "Catfish" is 330 00:12:12,829 --> 00:12:15,664 but knew enough about you to know that you love it. 331 00:12:15,664 --> 00:12:17,192 Bye. - Bye! 332 00:12:17,192 --> 00:12:18,796 - Perfect. - Okay. 333 00:12:18,796 --> 00:12:21,192 - All right. Basically, Emma met a guy on Instagram 334 00:12:21,192 --> 00:12:23,763 named EJ, who’s proceeded to lure her 335 00:12:23,763 --> 00:12:26,225 into a romantic relationship, string it out, 336 00:12:26,225 --> 00:12:29,324 falsely lead her to believe that they were gonna meet up. 337 00:12:29,324 --> 00:12:31,027 Then he brings up other stories about, 338 00:12:31,027 --> 00:12:33,192 "Oh, that wasn’t me. My friend had my phone and oh, 339 00:12:33,192 --> 00:12:35,796 I’ve actually been lying. I’m this guy." 340 00:12:35,796 --> 00:12:36,763 And now he claims that 341 00:12:36,763 --> 00:12:38,631 he’s part of this group of college athletes 342 00:12:38,631 --> 00:12:42,367 that were at some point sharing this fake Instagram account. 343 00:12:42,367 --> 00:12:45,225 He went as far as to order a Cameo from Jake, 344 00:12:45,225 --> 00:12:47,093 the guy who he said he was friends with 345 00:12:47,093 --> 00:12:50,367 to wish her a good surgery to make it seem convincing 346 00:12:50,367 --> 00:12:52,961 that Jake is somehow involved in this. 347 00:12:52,961 --> 00:12:54,126 Whoever Emma’s talking to 348 00:12:54,126 --> 00:12:57,730 seems to be willing to do anything to get to her. 349 00:12:57,730 --> 00:12:59,697 - Even catfishing the guy that Emma 350 00:12:59,697 --> 00:13:01,291 is actually dating in real life 351 00:13:01,291 --> 00:13:03,697 to try to drive a wedge between them. 352 00:13:03,697 --> 00:13:06,027 - Emma’s in a situation right now that is worrisome. 353 00:13:06,027 --> 00:13:07,895 This person has naked pictures of Emma, 354 00:13:07,895 --> 00:13:09,829 and he’s proven he’s willing to use them. 355 00:13:09,829 --> 00:13:11,730 We need to find out who the hell this is 356 00:13:11,730 --> 00:13:13,994 and carefully put an end to this. 357 00:13:13,994 --> 00:13:14,796 - Yeah. 358 00:13:14,796 --> 00:13:16,291 - So we got another email here 359 00:13:16,291 --> 00:13:17,400 from Emma with some information. 360 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,126 So, "Hy Nev and Kamie, here’s the info I have on EJ. 361 00:13:20,126 --> 00:13:21,763 His full name is Elijah [bleep], 362 00:13:21,763 --> 00:13:24,258 his phone number and his email on Insta 363 00:13:24,258 --> 00:13:27,159 before he took it down, or it was taken down. 364 00:13:27,159 --> 00:13:28,159 - Mm-hmm. - The first person 365 00:13:28,159 --> 00:13:30,159 I was talking to was named Jake [bleep]. 366 00:13:30,159 --> 00:13:33,060 Then there was Kyle [bleep] who stole his phone. 367 00:13:33,060 --> 00:13:36,796 He also messaged my friend Tyler about me being dead. 368 00:13:36,796 --> 00:13:37,928 Tyler can tell you more about it. 369 00:13:37,928 --> 00:13:39,994 You should reach out to him. Here’s his number. 370 00:13:39,994 --> 00:13:41,433 I added all the pictures I have. 371 00:13:41,433 --> 00:13:42,324 That’s all I have for now. 372 00:13:42,324 --> 00:13:43,961 Let me know if you have any questions. 373 00:13:43,961 --> 00:13:47,192 Thank you so much. Emma." Okay, well... 374 00:13:47,192 --> 00:13:48,291 here’s Jake. - Right. 375 00:13:48,291 --> 00:13:49,862 - The real football player, 376 00:13:49,862 --> 00:13:52,400 and Dane, the guy she recognized from TikTok. 377 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,225 I assume she’s also run the photos, 378 00:13:54,225 --> 00:13:55,499 but it doesn’t really matter because-- 379 00:13:55,499 --> 00:13:56,730 - We know who they are. - Right. 380 00:13:56,730 --> 00:13:59,796 - So let’s just start with this phone number. 381 00:13:59,796 --> 00:14:02,928 This has been the number that is used most of the time. 382 00:14:02,928 --> 00:14:05,895 - Right. - Oh yeah. Tiana [bleep]. 383 00:14:05,895 --> 00:14:07,730 - Same name that came up in Emma’s search. 384 00:14:07,730 --> 00:14:10,730 Let’s run the number on Cash App and see what we get. 385 00:14:10,730 --> 00:14:12,433 [lightly suspenseful music] 386 00:14:12,433 --> 00:14:13,895 - Tiana. - Tiana. 387 00:14:13,895 --> 00:14:15,192 - It’s her. - It seems like 388 00:14:15,192 --> 00:14:17,367 we’re definitely dealing with a girl here, 389 00:14:17,367 --> 00:14:19,060 and clearly it’s Tiana. 390 00:14:19,060 --> 00:14:20,466 - It’s gotta be. - Which also makes sense 391 00:14:20,466 --> 00:14:21,895 why they’ve never talked on the phone... 392 00:14:21,895 --> 00:14:22,895 - Yeah. - Or FaceTimed. 393 00:14:22,895 --> 00:14:24,192 - But who is Tiana? Who is she? 394 00:14:24,192 --> 00:14:25,126 - But who is Tiana? 395 00:14:25,126 --> 00:14:28,225 All right, let’s look up Tiana [bleep]. 396 00:14:28,961 --> 00:14:29,631 Interesting. 397 00:14:29,631 --> 00:14:34,126 There are only three Tiana [bleep] on Facebook. 398 00:14:34,324 --> 00:14:38,192 First hit is a sort of weird profile. 399 00:14:38,192 --> 00:14:39,994 No picture, eight friends, 400 00:14:39,994 --> 00:14:42,565 but it hasn’t been used in a long time. 401 00:14:42,565 --> 00:14:44,961 Let’s see about this next one. 402 00:14:44,961 --> 00:14:50,225 Another sort of dead profile, but let’s try this third one. 403 00:14:50,433 --> 00:14:52,928 Looks like they’re all inactive. 404 00:14:52,928 --> 00:14:54,060 It’s not a common name. 405 00:14:54,060 --> 00:14:55,291 It’s just weird that there are 406 00:14:55,291 --> 00:14:58,258 three Tiana [bleep] Facebook pages, 407 00:14:58,258 --> 00:15:01,532 and they’re all very weird, empty profiles. 408 00:15:01,532 --> 00:15:03,862 - She’s looking weird. She’s looking sus. 409 00:15:03,862 --> 00:15:04,631 - Right. Very sus. 410 00:15:04,631 --> 00:15:07,159 Guess we could do an Instagram search. 411 00:15:07,159 --> 00:15:09,400 Tiana [bleep]. 412 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,532 Oh, just one result. 413 00:15:12,532 --> 00:15:15,192 Ooh. "Ball is life." 414 00:15:15,192 --> 00:15:16,400 Athlete. - Mm. 415 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,532 One actual photo of her. "Bored. 416 00:15:19,532 --> 00:15:22,291 Something to post. Like. Follow." 417 00:15:23,192 --> 00:15:24,895 So this--what? - Uhh! 418 00:15:24,895 --> 00:15:25,928 - Uhh! - What? 419 00:15:25,928 --> 00:15:27,961 - Bible verse. - [gasps] 420 00:15:27,961 --> 00:15:29,532 - [whispers] Bible verse. 421 00:15:29,532 --> 00:15:31,961 - EJ has been sending biblical verses. 422 00:15:31,961 --> 00:15:34,532 - Although, a lot of people do use Bible verses, 423 00:15:34,532 --> 00:15:35,829 but that’s interesting. 424 00:15:35,829 --> 00:15:37,565 - The phone number comes back to Tiana. 425 00:15:37,565 --> 00:15:39,258 The Cash App comes back to Tiana. 426 00:15:39,258 --> 00:15:41,324 - Right. - Clearly, Tiana is 427 00:15:41,324 --> 00:15:43,598 at the center of this [bleep]storm. 428 00:15:43,598 --> 00:15:47,433 - Yeah. But is this the Tiana we’re looking for? 429 00:15:47,433 --> 00:15:48,324 What else do we have? 430 00:15:48,324 --> 00:15:50,499 - We have the number for Tyler. - Right. 431 00:15:50,499 --> 00:15:54,225 Emma’s actual friend who EJ sent Emma’s nudes to. 432 00:15:54,225 --> 00:15:56,060 We should get his side of the story. 433 00:15:56,060 --> 00:15:58,225 I’m gonna send a message. 434 00:15:59,192 --> 00:16:01,060 Let’s just see if he gets back to us. 435 00:16:01,060 --> 00:16:03,895 I wanna also reach out to Jake. 436 00:16:03,895 --> 00:16:05,400 He’s one of the football players 437 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,895 who supposedly used EJ’s account. 438 00:16:07,895 --> 00:16:10,258 I doubt it, but he may know something. 439 00:16:10,258 --> 00:16:14,466 Hey, Jake. It’s Nev from "Catfish." 440 00:16:14,466 --> 00:16:17,598 Do I have a story for you. 441 00:16:17,598 --> 00:16:18,598 Give me a call. 442 00:16:18,598 --> 00:16:21,631 Well, just about run out of things to search. 443 00:16:21,631 --> 00:16:23,466 - We could search Kyle [bleep]. 444 00:16:23,466 --> 00:16:26,862 - Yes, let’s do that. He’s the other football player, 445 00:16:26,862 --> 00:16:28,565 The one who supposedly stole EJ’s phone 446 00:16:28,565 --> 00:16:31,862 and lied to Emma about meeting in New Jersey. 447 00:16:31,862 --> 00:16:34,928 [suspenseful music] 448 00:16:34,928 --> 00:16:36,565 Is this the guy? 449 00:16:36,565 --> 00:16:38,862 Let’s send him a message-- 450 00:16:38,862 --> 00:16:41,961 I mean Kyle the same message. 451 00:16:42,565 --> 00:16:44,126 [phone chimes] Ooh, look at this. 452 00:16:44,126 --> 00:16:47,060 Tyler wrote back. Let’s see if he can talk. 453 00:16:47,060 --> 00:16:48,631 - Can he Zoom? 454 00:16:48,631 --> 00:16:49,994 - I’ll send him the link. 455 00:16:49,994 --> 00:16:51,093 Here he comes. 456 00:16:51,093 --> 00:16:52,928 [chime] Oh! 457 00:16:53,159 --> 00:16:54,994 - How you guys doing? Nice to meet you guys. 458 00:16:54,994 --> 00:16:57,324 - Welcome, to the show. - Glad to be here. 459 00:16:57,324 --> 00:16:59,433 - Do you know about this crazy thing 460 00:16:59,433 --> 00:17:00,466 that’s been going on with Emma? 461 00:17:00,466 --> 00:17:02,565 - Yeah, pretty much everything about it. Yeah. 462 00:17:02,565 --> 00:17:05,225 - And Emma’s a friend of yours? - Yes. 463 00:17:05,225 --> 00:17:06,324 We went to high school together. 464 00:17:06,324 --> 00:17:08,433 - Okay. And so you’re fully up to speed 465 00:17:08,433 --> 00:17:10,928 with the whole crazy EJ saga? 466 00:17:10,928 --> 00:17:12,598 - Yes. So a couple weeks ago 467 00:17:12,598 --> 00:17:14,697 I got a Instagram message from EJ. 468 00:17:14,697 --> 00:17:19,367 He asked me, "Is Emma dead?" And obviously she’s not. 469 00:17:19,367 --> 00:17:21,532 So I was like, "You know, what is this? 470 00:17:21,532 --> 00:17:23,093 You know, what’s going on with this?" 471 00:17:23,093 --> 00:17:25,027 And then he then sent me back 472 00:17:25,027 --> 00:17:28,664 multiple pictures of Emma naked 473 00:17:28,664 --> 00:17:33,258 and said, "I know her very well." 474 00:17:33,258 --> 00:17:35,060 - Wow. - Yes. 475 00:17:35,060 --> 00:17:36,192 So then I gave her a phone call, 476 00:17:36,192 --> 00:17:38,367 and then she gave me the whole rundown that, 477 00:17:38,367 --> 00:17:39,466 you know, he’s pretty much a guy 478 00:17:39,466 --> 00:17:43,324 that she was talking to that was, you know, stalking her. 479 00:17:43,324 --> 00:17:46,093 And she told me that he made a fake 480 00:17:46,093 --> 00:17:49,093 Instagram account of her that had her name in it 481 00:17:49,093 --> 00:17:51,466 and was selling the naked pictures 482 00:17:51,466 --> 00:17:53,126 that he sent me on the internet. 483 00:17:53,126 --> 00:17:55,324 - Wow. We knew he’d sent them to you, 484 00:17:55,324 --> 00:17:57,367 but we had no idea that there was 485 00:17:57,367 --> 00:18:00,060 a fake Emma account selling her nudes online. 486 00:18:00,060 --> 00:18:02,324 - Yeah. - I mean, it is concerning. 487 00:18:02,324 --> 00:18:03,499 - It’s very concerning. Yeah. 488 00:18:03,499 --> 00:18:05,367 There’s something very wrong with this person. 489 00:18:05,367 --> 00:18:09,433 - Have you ever heard of a girl named Tiana [bleep]? 490 00:18:09,433 --> 00:18:10,225 - No. 491 00:18:10,225 --> 00:18:12,433 - Okay. Well, man. All right. 492 00:18:12,433 --> 00:18:14,258 Well, thank you so much for your help. 493 00:18:14,258 --> 00:18:17,631 Good to have some additional info from you there. 494 00:18:17,631 --> 00:18:18,324 - Thanks, Tyler. 495 00:18:18,324 --> 00:18:20,598 - No problem. Hope I helped you guys a little bit. 496 00:18:20,598 --> 00:18:22,367 - For sure. - All right, guys. 497 00:18:22,367 --> 00:18:24,994 Nice meeting you. - All right, later, bud. 498 00:18:24,994 --> 00:18:26,598 Wow. So there’s even more 499 00:18:26,598 --> 00:18:28,565 to the story that Emma didn’t mention. 500 00:18:28,565 --> 00:18:30,994 - No. - They had a fake Emma Page. 501 00:18:30,994 --> 00:18:33,664 People on Instagram were buying her nude pictures. 502 00:18:33,664 --> 00:18:36,466 It’s so messed up. - What are they trying to do 503 00:18:36,466 --> 00:18:38,994 other than like destroy her life? 504 00:18:38,994 --> 00:18:40,499 I am now on a quest. 505 00:18:40,499 --> 00:18:43,631 I’m not playing--I’m about to take this bitch down. 506 00:18:47,373 --> 00:18:50,505 - Okay. Chances are the person that Emma’s been talking with 507 00:18:50,505 --> 00:18:56,099 this entire time has been a woman named Tiana [bleep]. 508 00:18:56,099 --> 00:18:57,604 Which obviously explains not meeting up 509 00:18:57,604 --> 00:19:00,241 and not talking on the phone or FaceTiming. 510 00:19:00,241 --> 00:19:02,967 - But we don’t--who is Tiana? 511 00:19:02,967 --> 00:19:04,241 - Right. - That is the question. 512 00:19:04,241 --> 00:19:08,340 - All right. Let’s text Emma. Hey, Emma. 513 00:19:11,066 --> 00:19:13,033 [chime] Hey. 514 00:19:13,033 --> 00:19:14,099 - Hey, what’s going on? 515 00:19:14,099 --> 00:19:15,538 - We’ve been on a little bit of a journey 516 00:19:15,538 --> 00:19:19,373 trying to trace our way through your wild six months. 517 00:19:19,373 --> 00:19:22,000 - Mm-hmm. - And we do have some stuff 518 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:23,967 that we want to discuss. - Okay. 519 00:19:23,967 --> 00:19:26,000 - So as you had already discovered, 520 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,967 the number you have for EJ comes back to this girl. 521 00:19:29,967 --> 00:19:32,000 - Right. Tiana [bleep]. Right. 522 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,000 - So we then put the number into Cash App, 523 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,066 which we find often people have, 524 00:19:37,066 --> 00:19:40,472 and it came back to--to a Tiana [bleep] on Cash App. 525 00:19:40,472 --> 00:19:41,670 - Oh. - So we looked up 526 00:19:41,670 --> 00:19:44,241 Tiana [bleep] on Instagram 527 00:19:44,241 --> 00:19:46,340 and we did find this. 528 00:19:46,340 --> 00:19:49,274 Now, again, not a very active profile. 529 00:19:49,274 --> 00:19:50,538 - No. - But they seem to be 530 00:19:50,538 --> 00:19:54,208 into athletics. Right? - "Ball is life." 531 00:19:54,208 --> 00:19:58,307 - And there’s one photo of someone posted from 2014, 532 00:19:58,307 --> 00:20:01,307 a girl, presumably her. 533 00:20:01,307 --> 00:20:03,066 - Okay. 534 00:20:03,066 --> 00:20:05,637 - The weird part on this profile is 535 00:20:05,637 --> 00:20:07,373 when you click on one of the photos 536 00:20:07,373 --> 00:20:09,538 and you look at the caption... 537 00:20:09,538 --> 00:20:10,538 - Biblical. - Right. 538 00:20:10,538 --> 00:20:15,373 And you said that EJ has been sending you biblical verses. 539 00:20:15,373 --> 00:20:16,472 - Yeah. - Could be completely 540 00:20:16,472 --> 00:20:17,802 unrelated--who knows? - But you know, look, 541 00:20:17,802 --> 00:20:21,274 since the number comes back to Tiana and the Cash App, 542 00:20:21,274 --> 00:20:23,703 and this is the only Tiana [bleep] 543 00:20:23,703 --> 00:20:25,033 on either Facebook or Instagram 544 00:20:25,033 --> 00:20:27,033 that seems to have like an actual profile, 545 00:20:27,033 --> 00:20:29,033 right now, this is the only potential 546 00:20:29,033 --> 00:20:32,165 lead we have as to who is Tiana. 547 00:20:32,165 --> 00:20:33,132 - Right. 548 00:20:33,132 --> 00:20:34,703 - So we sent some messages out... 549 00:20:34,703 --> 00:20:37,000 - Mm-hmm. - To both Jake and Kyle, 550 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,571 the football players. - Cool. 551 00:20:38,571 --> 00:20:39,769 - We have not heard back from them. 552 00:20:39,769 --> 00:20:42,472 Also, we spoke to your friend Tyler who filled us in 553 00:20:42,472 --> 00:20:44,274 a little bit more of the details, 554 00:20:44,274 --> 00:20:45,439 specifically about the fact 555 00:20:45,439 --> 00:20:49,505 that the person was selling some of the photos? 556 00:20:49,505 --> 00:20:51,439 - Yeah. Pictures. 557 00:20:51,439 --> 00:20:52,505 [uneasy music] 558 00:20:52,505 --> 00:20:56,802 - If I can ask, how did you find out about that? 559 00:20:57,505 --> 00:21:00,066 - So I was actually in New York, 560 00:21:00,066 --> 00:21:04,208 and I was ignoring EJ, Tiana, whoever. 561 00:21:04,208 --> 00:21:07,802 And he or she texted me and said 562 00:21:07,802 --> 00:21:10,307 "I’m in a really sticky situation. 563 00:21:10,307 --> 00:21:14,066 "I made a fake Instagram and a fake Venmo 564 00:21:14,066 --> 00:21:15,099 "when we first started talking 565 00:21:15,099 --> 00:21:18,066 and I’ve been selling your pictures to people online." 566 00:21:18,066 --> 00:21:21,439 So they openly told me about it. 567 00:21:21,439 --> 00:21:25,165 The following day, they tried to tell me that it was a joke 568 00:21:25,165 --> 00:21:27,274 and that they did it just to get my attention. 569 00:21:27,274 --> 00:21:28,736 And I’m like, mm, see, I don’t really 570 00:21:28,736 --> 00:21:30,373 believe that though, because you went through 571 00:21:30,373 --> 00:21:33,604 the trouble of building up an Instagram account 572 00:21:33,604 --> 00:21:35,769 then requesting people that I know. 573 00:21:35,769 --> 00:21:38,340 - How come you never mentioned that to us? 574 00:21:38,340 --> 00:21:40,769 - I was more or less embarrassed by it. 575 00:21:40,769 --> 00:21:45,637 And yeah, it was just-- it was really messy and... 576 00:21:45,637 --> 00:21:47,637 - The casual way that they would 577 00:21:47,637 --> 00:21:49,439 send those pictures to your friend... 578 00:21:49,439 --> 00:21:53,373 You think you’re sharing things with one particular person, 579 00:21:53,373 --> 00:21:56,538 and then you realize that it’s a completely different person. 580 00:21:56,538 --> 00:21:58,472 - Mm-hmm. - It just worries me. 581 00:21:58,472 --> 00:22:01,802 - This is like a complete violation of trust 582 00:22:01,802 --> 00:22:03,802 on so many different levels. 583 00:22:03,802 --> 00:22:07,505 - Has it affected the way that you’re able to trust people? 584 00:22:07,505 --> 00:22:11,571 - Oh, yeah, no, I feel like I cannot trust anybody now. 585 00:22:11,571 --> 00:22:12,406 I’m not kidding. 586 00:22:12,406 --> 00:22:16,571 - It’s very obvious that Tiana or whoever is behind this 587 00:22:16,571 --> 00:22:21,505 is very deep in this like, down bad. 588 00:22:21,505 --> 00:22:22,769 - Right. - Look, we still have messages 589 00:22:22,769 --> 00:22:25,406 out to the players that had their pics stolen. 590 00:22:25,406 --> 00:22:27,373 Giving them a chance to get back to us. 591 00:22:27,373 --> 00:22:28,406 Hopefully, we hear from them. 592 00:22:28,406 --> 00:22:31,340 If we don’t, then we have to probably just be prepared 593 00:22:31,340 --> 00:22:35,505 to reach out directly to "EJ"/Tiana. 594 00:22:35,505 --> 00:22:37,373 - Right. - But whoever this is 595 00:22:37,373 --> 00:22:40,835 has already distributed your content, your pictures... 596 00:22:40,835 --> 00:22:42,439 - Right. - Your name, your info. 597 00:22:42,439 --> 00:22:43,802 - Mm-hmm. - So fingers crossed 598 00:22:43,802 --> 00:22:45,439 we can have a conversation that ends 599 00:22:45,439 --> 00:22:47,934 with them understanding that they need to stop. 600 00:22:47,934 --> 00:22:51,241 - Right. Hopefully, we’ll be able to get something. 601 00:22:51,241 --> 00:22:52,769 We’ll see. - All right, well, look, 602 00:22:52,769 --> 00:22:54,241 let’s regroup in the morning. 603 00:22:54,241 --> 00:22:56,637 We’ll see if we have any updates. 604 00:22:56,637 --> 00:22:57,406 - Okay. 605 00:22:57,406 --> 00:22:59,505 - And--and depending on what we do or don’t have then, 606 00:22:59,505 --> 00:23:02,165 we’ll make an informed decision 607 00:23:02,165 --> 00:23:04,165 as to what the next best move is. 608 00:23:04,165 --> 00:23:06,472 - Okay. Thank you for helping. 609 00:23:06,472 --> 00:23:07,505 It means... - Sure. 610 00:23:07,505 --> 00:23:09,340 - More than you guys know. Bye, guys. 611 00:23:09,340 --> 00:23:11,241 - Bye, girl. I feel bad. 612 00:23:11,241 --> 00:23:13,769 - Yeah. She has to live with this constant fear 613 00:23:13,769 --> 00:23:15,472 and always looking over her shoulder. 614 00:23:15,472 --> 00:23:18,505 Anytime she posts something or gets a new friend request, 615 00:23:18,505 --> 00:23:20,505 it’s like, oh God--everything. 616 00:23:20,505 --> 00:23:21,505 - Yeah. It’s terrorizing. 617 00:23:21,505 --> 00:23:23,901 This person has been terrorizing her 618 00:23:23,901 --> 00:23:24,703 from every single angle. 619 00:23:24,703 --> 00:23:27,208 And I--I want us to be able to help her stop it, 620 00:23:27,208 --> 00:23:30,769 but it could be completely beyond the realm of anything 621 00:23:30,769 --> 00:23:33,802 that we can possibly do to help her. 622 00:23:38,782 --> 00:23:41,211 - Drizzly day here in Los Angeles, 623 00:23:41,211 --> 00:23:43,574 which I think is very appropriate, 624 00:23:43,574 --> 00:23:47,442 considering the cloud that seems to be hanging over Emma 625 00:23:47,442 --> 00:23:52,145 and this whole situation. What is this person after? 626 00:23:52,145 --> 00:23:54,343 Fingers crossed, as we figure it out. 627 00:23:54,343 --> 00:23:57,277 [electronic music] 628 00:23:57,277 --> 00:24:00,244 All right. Let’s see if either of those football players, 629 00:24:00,244 --> 00:24:01,541 Jake or Kyle, got back to us. 630 00:24:01,541 --> 00:24:04,277 Because honestly, it was all we had left. 631 00:24:04,277 --> 00:24:07,815 Not a single response. Nothing. 632 00:24:07,815 --> 00:24:10,442 - But maybe Emma’s heard from somebody? 633 00:24:10,442 --> 00:24:12,112 - Possibly. 634 00:24:14,607 --> 00:24:15,640 [chime] Oh. 635 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,178 - Hey! - Whoa! 636 00:24:17,178 --> 00:24:19,673 - Hello, good morning! 637 00:24:19,673 --> 00:24:22,574 - How have you been? 638 00:24:22,574 --> 00:24:23,409 - Little nervous. 639 00:24:23,409 --> 00:24:27,145 I got a text last night from EJ. 640 00:24:27,145 --> 00:24:27,706 - Oh God. 641 00:24:27,706 --> 00:24:30,409 - Reaching out to see if he could have my new number. 642 00:24:30,409 --> 00:24:32,376 ’Cause there was something he had to tell me. 643 00:24:32,376 --> 00:24:34,310 - Well, so we haven’t heard back from either 644 00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:35,815 those football guys, Kyle and Jake. 645 00:24:35,815 --> 00:24:38,343 - The only thing that we have right now to go off of 646 00:24:38,343 --> 00:24:40,574 is that message that you got from EJ. 647 00:24:40,574 --> 00:24:42,881 - Okay. - Can you show us that message? 648 00:24:42,881 --> 00:24:44,640 - Yeah. - What does he mean, 649 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,442 can he have your new phone number? 650 00:24:46,442 --> 00:24:47,310 No. Oh, and you said it. 651 00:24:47,310 --> 00:24:48,881 You said you’re not getting my new number. 652 00:24:48,881 --> 00:24:49,815 - Yeah. - First she said 653 00:24:49,815 --> 00:24:52,706 "I care about you a lot, wish we wouldn’t fight as much, 654 00:24:52,706 --> 00:24:53,541 and we could just go back 655 00:24:53,541 --> 00:24:56,607 to how we kind of were at first. I love you." 656 00:24:56,607 --> 00:24:58,508 Had you been saying "I love you" to him back 657 00:24:58,508 --> 00:25:00,310 when things were kind of good at the beginning? 658 00:25:00,310 --> 00:25:02,409 - Yeah. - That’s a big deal. 659 00:25:02,409 --> 00:25:03,277 You dropped the L bomb. 660 00:25:03,277 --> 00:25:04,409 - I did. - That’s not nothing. 661 00:25:04,409 --> 00:25:05,914 You know, that’s a thing. - No. 662 00:25:05,914 --> 00:25:08,574 - He said, "I’m not gonna blow your phone up. I promise. 663 00:25:08,574 --> 00:25:10,145 But I need your new number. 664 00:25:10,145 --> 00:25:11,277 There’s something I gotta tell you." 665 00:25:11,277 --> 00:25:13,178 Tell me right here. - Tell me right here. 666 00:25:13,178 --> 00:25:14,145 - What--what’s the difference? 667 00:25:14,145 --> 00:25:16,442 - What if she gave our number? - Ooh! 668 00:25:16,442 --> 00:25:18,475 - That way we can message with him on your behalf, 669 00:25:18,475 --> 00:25:19,914 and he still won’t have your real number 670 00:25:19,914 --> 00:25:22,607 in case something goes wrong and he blows up. 671 00:25:22,607 --> 00:25:24,749 - I love that idea. - Okay. 672 00:25:24,749 --> 00:25:27,475 - All right. So let’s give him our number, 673 00:25:27,475 --> 00:25:30,673 but put it in a message that feels authentic. 674 00:25:30,673 --> 00:25:33,277 - "Okay, fine. I will give it to you. 675 00:25:33,277 --> 00:25:34,277 Don’t abuse it." 676 00:25:34,277 --> 00:25:36,881 - The number is 818-[bleep]. 677 00:25:36,881 --> 00:25:37,848 Oh boy. 678 00:25:37,848 --> 00:25:39,782 - So let’s see. - Here we go. 679 00:25:39,782 --> 00:25:40,607 - Whoo! 680 00:25:40,607 --> 00:25:42,310 - Is he usually pretty quick with stuff? 681 00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:43,178 - With me? Yeah. 682 00:25:43,178 --> 00:25:44,749 I mean, he used to be really quick. 683 00:25:44,749 --> 00:25:47,881 I’m not kidding, like on the second. 684 00:25:48,442 --> 00:25:49,541 [chime] - [gasps] 685 00:25:49,541 --> 00:25:51,277 - Oh--wait. What? 686 00:25:51,277 --> 00:25:52,079 We just got a text. 687 00:25:52,079 --> 00:25:56,815 - Okay. - It’s from Elena Fer-Ferri-- 688 00:25:56,815 --> 00:25:57,541 - Ferriera? 689 00:25:57,541 --> 00:25:59,475 - Ferriera. - Ferriera. That’s him. 690 00:25:59,475 --> 00:26:01,277 - It says, "I don’t feel like I’d abuse your number. 691 00:26:01,277 --> 00:26:03,673 I just want talk to you." What is that name? 692 00:26:03,673 --> 00:26:05,541 - Elena is the girl 693 00:26:05,541 --> 00:26:09,211 that catfished the guy that I was seeing. 694 00:26:09,211 --> 00:26:11,815 - Oh, so that confirms 695 00:26:11,815 --> 00:26:14,409 that that was him. - Right. 696 00:26:14,409 --> 00:26:18,541 - But how like ballsy and bold for you as "EJ" 697 00:26:18,541 --> 00:26:21,947 to be messaging from this Elena Ferriera account 698 00:26:21,947 --> 00:26:23,848 like it’s just nothing? - Crazy. 699 00:26:23,848 --> 00:26:25,541 - He did write something before that was like, 700 00:26:25,541 --> 00:26:26,848 "I don’t wanna fight anymore." 701 00:26:26,848 --> 00:26:29,475 Blah, blah, blah, blah. So what if we played into that? 702 00:26:29,475 --> 00:26:32,541 - Yeah. - The old bait and switch. 703 00:26:32,541 --> 00:26:34,848 - Yes. You could say something like 704 00:26:34,848 --> 00:26:39,277 I’ve actually been thinking about how things used to be 705 00:26:39,277 --> 00:26:41,541 and I don’t wanna fight anymore. 706 00:26:41,541 --> 00:26:42,673 I’d like to see you then. 707 00:26:42,673 --> 00:26:45,607 - So let’s say, "Would you be willing to join a Zoom?" 708 00:26:45,607 --> 00:26:46,640 - Yeah. 709 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,640 - Sent. - All right. 710 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,376 I wonder if he’ll actually do it. 711 00:26:50,376 --> 00:26:53,343 - I feel like you’re not getting your hopes up. 712 00:26:53,343 --> 00:26:56,815 - No. With him, I-- you absolutely cannot. 713 00:26:56,815 --> 00:26:58,574 - Oh, read. 714 00:26:58,574 --> 00:27:00,607 - Ooh, ooh, ooh! - [whispers] Oh, God, 715 00:27:00,607 --> 00:27:01,947 he’s writing, he’s writing. 716 00:27:01,947 --> 00:27:03,947 [tense music] 717 00:27:03,947 --> 00:27:06,980 - Why not? You could always say like, 718 00:27:06,980 --> 00:27:08,848 if I’m being honest with you, 719 00:27:08,848 --> 00:27:11,815 I had to call in some reinforcements. 720 00:27:11,815 --> 00:27:12,848 I really wanna meet you, 721 00:27:12,848 --> 00:27:16,706 and I felt like this was the only way to make it happen. 722 00:27:16,706 --> 00:27:17,782 - Okay. - All right. 723 00:27:17,782 --> 00:27:19,673 Let’s just read it once. Okay. 724 00:27:19,673 --> 00:27:22,848 [Emma reading] 725 00:27:24,848 --> 00:27:25,947 - So I contacted "Catfish" 726 00:27:25,947 --> 00:27:27,749 because they’ve had a lot of success 727 00:27:27,749 --> 00:27:28,607 in helping people meet 728 00:27:28,607 --> 00:27:31,881 and feel comfortable, seen and understood. 729 00:27:31,881 --> 00:27:33,607 - All right. Wow. Sent. 730 00:27:33,607 --> 00:27:34,673 - Let’s see. 731 00:27:34,673 --> 00:27:37,442 [chime] - Ooh, ooh, ooh! 732 00:27:37,442 --> 00:27:38,409 - Oh, come on. 733 00:27:38,409 --> 00:27:41,409 - "Now isn’t a good time." When is a good time? 734 00:27:41,409 --> 00:27:41,947 - Right. 735 00:27:41,947 --> 00:27:43,541 - Well, now I think-- - Now, is the only time. 736 00:27:43,541 --> 00:27:45,409 - It’s now or never for me. 737 00:27:45,409 --> 00:27:46,914 - Be like, if not, I mean, just don’t-- 738 00:27:46,914 --> 00:27:50,881 like, we don’t need to be in contact, take care. 739 00:27:51,475 --> 00:27:52,673 - I mean, I hate to say it, 740 00:27:52,673 --> 00:27:54,673 but I just don’t think they care. 741 00:27:54,673 --> 00:27:56,541 [chime] Oh. Oh! 742 00:27:56,541 --> 00:27:58,815 - Good job. - I can’t believe that worked. 743 00:27:58,815 --> 00:28:01,640 Copy in my link. - Oh my goodness. 744 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,749 - Say here. 745 00:28:04,881 --> 00:28:05,980 - Oh! - Read it. 746 00:28:05,980 --> 00:28:07,442 - [groaning] Ohh... 747 00:28:07,442 --> 00:28:08,541 All right. 748 00:28:08,541 --> 00:28:09,749 - Are you ready? 749 00:28:09,749 --> 00:28:11,343 - We’ll see. 750 00:28:11,343 --> 00:28:13,673 - He said he’s outside your house. 751 00:28:13,673 --> 00:28:15,046 - Right. - And he wasn’t there. 752 00:28:15,046 --> 00:28:17,079 So him saying okay, I’ll do it, 753 00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:20,409 is not giving me a lot of confidence. 754 00:28:20,409 --> 00:28:21,782 - No. 755 00:28:21,980 --> 00:28:24,409 I hate that it’s taking too long. 756 00:28:24,409 --> 00:28:26,607 [chime] - Oh. 757 00:28:30,121 --> 00:28:31,824 - Are you ready? - We’ll see. 758 00:28:31,824 --> 00:28:33,616 [groaning] 759 00:28:33,616 --> 00:28:35,055 [chime] - Oh. 760 00:28:35,055 --> 00:28:36,923 - Hey. 761 00:28:38,923 --> 00:28:41,352 - Hello? - Who is this? 762 00:28:41,352 --> 00:28:42,451 - Uh, this is EJ. 763 00:28:42,451 --> 00:28:44,791 - Thank you for talking to us here. 764 00:28:44,791 --> 00:28:46,616 Obviously, there’s a lot of questions we have, 765 00:28:46,616 --> 00:28:49,517 but before we sort of start firing away, 766 00:28:49,517 --> 00:28:51,989 I’d love to just give you an opportunity 767 00:28:51,989 --> 00:28:52,824 to introduce yourself. 768 00:28:52,824 --> 00:28:56,682 - Oh yeah. Well, my name’s EJ, and I’m 22. 769 00:28:56,682 --> 00:28:57,748 I just wanna start by saying, 770 00:28:57,748 --> 00:29:00,682 I’m sorry for using somebody else’s picture. 771 00:29:00,682 --> 00:29:02,682 - That’s like the least of my concern, though. 772 00:29:02,682 --> 00:29:05,956 You’ve gone to some pretty serious extent. 773 00:29:05,956 --> 00:29:07,791 I don’t think you realize how much 774 00:29:07,791 --> 00:29:09,385 it’s affected me as a person. 775 00:29:09,385 --> 00:29:14,022 - I think this is just the first time 776 00:29:14,022 --> 00:29:16,022 I’ve really cared about someone. 777 00:29:16,022 --> 00:29:21,484 Before this, I really never dated anybody. 778 00:29:21,484 --> 00:29:25,055 So I don’t know how to react to like my emotions, 779 00:29:25,055 --> 00:29:27,484 so they kind of just run wild. 780 00:29:27,484 --> 00:29:29,748 - You claim that you care about me, 781 00:29:29,748 --> 00:29:33,022 but then you have no issues sending screenshots 782 00:29:33,022 --> 00:29:36,857 of pictures that I sent you, trusting you, 783 00:29:36,857 --> 00:29:39,682 to someone that I’m friends with. 784 00:29:39,682 --> 00:29:41,956 How do you tell me that you care about me, 785 00:29:41,956 --> 00:29:43,088 but then you do things 786 00:29:43,088 --> 00:29:44,824 that show you have no respect for me? 787 00:29:44,824 --> 00:29:48,550 - Sometimes, I don’t think before I act on stuff. 788 00:29:48,550 --> 00:29:51,989 - Emma, I think you’re asking all the right questions. 789 00:29:51,989 --> 00:29:56,956 I am very curious just to clear up a few basic questions. 790 00:29:56,956 --> 00:29:57,956 - Go for it. 791 00:29:57,956 --> 00:29:59,824 - EJ, you run the Instagram account 792 00:29:59,824 --> 00:30:00,989 that Emma’s been talking to. 793 00:30:00,989 --> 00:30:02,824 - Yeah. - And is it just you? 794 00:30:02,824 --> 00:30:05,418 you’re the only person that she’s ever communicated with? 795 00:30:05,418 --> 00:30:09,484 - No, I’m not the only person she’s communicated with. 796 00:30:09,484 --> 00:30:11,517 - Okay. So can you clarify that for us? 797 00:30:11,517 --> 00:30:13,121 - Well, I think the biggest person 798 00:30:13,121 --> 00:30:16,616 that she’s communicated with is Jake, 799 00:30:16,616 --> 00:30:17,857 the actual guy in the pictures. 800 00:30:17,857 --> 00:30:20,824 He would use the Instagram to cheat on his girlfriend 801 00:30:20,824 --> 00:30:23,385 so he wouldn’t have it traced back to him. 802 00:30:23,385 --> 00:30:26,748 - But the picture on your Instagram was of Jake. 803 00:30:26,748 --> 00:30:29,055 So that’s not a very good disguise account. 804 00:30:29,055 --> 00:30:30,484 That doesn’t seem like it makes sense. 805 00:30:30,484 --> 00:30:33,154 If you’re trying to sneakily talk to women as someone else, 806 00:30:33,154 --> 00:30:35,616 why would you have an account with your picture on it? 807 00:30:35,616 --> 00:30:38,550 - Well, his girlfriend is blocked on the page, so-- 808 00:30:38,550 --> 00:30:41,187 - That doesn’t really make sense. 809 00:30:41,187 --> 00:30:42,517 Here’s where it gets really confusing. 810 00:30:42,517 --> 00:30:45,187 You say you have real feelings for Emma. 811 00:30:45,187 --> 00:30:46,649 Why on earth would you be okay 812 00:30:46,649 --> 00:30:49,418 with Jake talking to Emma, the girl you like? 813 00:30:49,418 --> 00:30:51,890 - He only talked to her a couple of times. 814 00:30:51,890 --> 00:30:53,154 - But you just said a second ago 815 00:30:53,154 --> 00:30:56,484 that the biggest person Emma had talked to was Jake. 816 00:30:56,484 --> 00:30:58,824 - Well, in the--in the-- in the very beginning, 817 00:30:58,824 --> 00:31:02,418 before I actually caught feelings for her. 818 00:31:02,418 --> 00:31:06,088 - And then Kyle stole whose phone? 819 00:31:06,088 --> 00:31:08,154 - My phone. He started texting Emma. 820 00:31:08,154 --> 00:31:10,857 I didn’t know about it, and he did some pretty, 821 00:31:10,857 --> 00:31:11,791 you know, [bleep, bleep]. 822 00:31:11,791 --> 00:31:15,418 - Why are you taking all the heat for this then? 823 00:31:15,418 --> 00:31:17,748 - Yeah, where’s Kyle and where’s Jake? 824 00:31:17,748 --> 00:31:19,154 - Just because they played football, 825 00:31:19,154 --> 00:31:22,022 they didn’t wanna be involved or be embarrassed. 826 00:31:22,022 --> 00:31:24,121 - How do you explain the Cameo? 827 00:31:24,121 --> 00:31:24,989 If you know Jake, 828 00:31:24,989 --> 00:31:26,748 then wouldn’t you just text Jake and be like, 829 00:31:26,748 --> 00:31:28,451 "Yo bro, can you send me this video 830 00:31:28,451 --> 00:31:30,890 for this girl I’m talking to?" He’s your boy. 831 00:31:30,890 --> 00:31:32,923 So you would just hit him up and ask him. 832 00:31:32,923 --> 00:31:35,121 - Yeah, but he wouldn’t do that. 833 00:31:35,121 --> 00:31:38,989 - It just doesn’t make any sense. 834 00:31:38,989 --> 00:31:41,484 So I’m gonna give you an opportunity 835 00:31:41,484 --> 00:31:43,187 to just try that again, 836 00:31:43,187 --> 00:31:46,550 because Emma doesn’t want to have talked to the real Jake. 837 00:31:46,550 --> 00:31:47,253 That’s weird. 838 00:31:47,253 --> 00:31:51,220 Also, it involves Jake and I don’t want people to think 839 00:31:51,220 --> 00:31:53,187 that he’s some sort of weird... - Scumbag. 840 00:31:53,187 --> 00:31:57,715 - Sleaze who’s using Finsta accounts to talk to girls. 841 00:31:57,715 --> 00:32:00,923 It’s not fair to Jake if that’s not true. 842 00:32:00,923 --> 00:32:04,583 So are you sure Jake used your Instagram account 843 00:32:04,583 --> 00:32:05,824 to talk to girls, or is that the story 844 00:32:05,824 --> 00:32:08,824 that you had made up and you’re sticking to it? 845 00:32:08,824 --> 00:32:12,022 - No, that’s 100% the truth. 846 00:32:14,253 --> 00:32:15,154 - Why don’t we get into 847 00:32:15,154 --> 00:32:18,956 what happened with you reaching out to Tyler? 848 00:32:18,956 --> 00:32:21,583 - And telling him that I was dead. 849 00:32:21,583 --> 00:32:23,088 - What was that about? 850 00:32:23,088 --> 00:32:24,682 - I don’t really know. 851 00:32:24,682 --> 00:32:26,220 I don’t really have an answer for that. 852 00:32:26,220 --> 00:32:29,187 I mean, acting out of anger. 853 00:32:29,187 --> 00:32:30,154 - Why were you so angry? 854 00:32:30,154 --> 00:32:35,220 - Just because I knew that we weren’t getting back together, 855 00:32:35,220 --> 00:32:39,616 so I was hurt and I was just acting off my emotions. 856 00:32:39,616 --> 00:32:44,923 - So why don’t we explain how Tyler came into possession 857 00:32:44,923 --> 00:32:46,616 of her nudes that you sent him? 858 00:32:46,616 --> 00:32:48,286 Why don’t we talk about that part? 859 00:32:48,286 --> 00:32:50,154 - I don’t know, I just-- 860 00:32:50,154 --> 00:32:52,616 I was sending them to her friends, so I just felt like 861 00:32:52,616 --> 00:32:54,890 it wouldn’t matter ’cause she wouldn’t care. 862 00:32:54,890 --> 00:32:58,220 - She wouldn’t care if her friend had access 863 00:32:58,220 --> 00:32:59,121 to nude photos of her? 864 00:32:59,121 --> 00:33:02,286 Would you care if your nudes were sent about to your friends 865 00:33:02,286 --> 00:33:04,682 or if someone was selling them? 866 00:33:04,682 --> 00:33:06,253 - I never sold a nude. 867 00:33:06,253 --> 00:33:09,890 - So you were not behind the fake Emma profile that was... 868 00:33:09,890 --> 00:33:11,956 - He was. - Advertising nude photos 869 00:33:11,956 --> 00:33:13,121 of her for sale? 870 00:33:13,121 --> 00:33:15,824 - No. - Then why would you tell her 871 00:33:15,824 --> 00:33:18,055 that you were selling her pictures online? 872 00:33:18,055 --> 00:33:20,022 - Just because she wasn’t talking to me 873 00:33:20,022 --> 00:33:22,857 so I just did it just to get her attention. 874 00:33:22,857 --> 00:33:27,923 - That doesn’t even begin to touch on the whole Elena... 875 00:33:27,923 --> 00:33:29,088 - Right. Yeah. - Thing. 876 00:33:29,088 --> 00:33:32,923 Which is another account that you made to talk to 877 00:33:32,923 --> 00:33:36,088 and flirt with the guy that Emma was actually dating. 878 00:33:36,088 --> 00:33:39,253 - No. - You’re not behind Elena? 879 00:33:39,253 --> 00:33:42,319 - No, I don’t know. - Dude, listen. 880 00:33:42,319 --> 00:33:44,956 The number that Emma gave you is our phone, 881 00:33:44,956 --> 00:33:51,715 and when you texted, it came from elenaferriera@[bleep].com. 882 00:33:51,715 --> 00:33:56,022 Why are your text messages coming from Elena Ferriera? 883 00:33:57,154 --> 00:33:59,220 - I can’t explain. 884 00:33:59,220 --> 00:34:01,682 - Well, there’s a technical explanation, 885 00:34:01,682 --> 00:34:05,385 which is that you are signed in via that email. 886 00:34:05,385 --> 00:34:09,154 I’m not faking it. That’s how you contacted us. 887 00:34:09,154 --> 00:34:12,989 [tense music] 888 00:34:12,989 --> 00:34:16,682 - I--I just-- 889 00:34:17,649 --> 00:34:20,890 - Look, EJ, this is awkward for all of us, 890 00:34:20,890 --> 00:34:22,857 and props to you for even... 891 00:34:22,857 --> 00:34:24,352 - Coming forward. - Coming on here. 892 00:34:24,352 --> 00:34:27,616 You’ve made some decisions that I think you regret. 893 00:34:27,616 --> 00:34:30,055 You’ve told a lot of lies and you know, 894 00:34:30,055 --> 00:34:33,022 it’s uncomfortable to--to sort of own up to that. 895 00:34:33,022 --> 00:34:35,088 But I think what you need to understand is that 896 00:34:35,088 --> 00:34:38,890 we don’t necessarily need you to clear this up for us. 897 00:34:38,890 --> 00:34:39,748 We know the truth. 898 00:34:39,748 --> 00:34:43,121 We’re giving you an opportunity for your own sake, 899 00:34:43,121 --> 00:34:46,418 so that you can feel better to say it for yourself. 900 00:34:46,418 --> 00:34:48,220 And so that Emma can hear you say it, 901 00:34:48,220 --> 00:34:52,121 and we can see if there’s a way to move past the negativity 902 00:34:52,121 --> 00:34:54,791 and find some positive outcome. 903 00:34:54,989 --> 00:34:58,682 - Emma just wants the truth, and she deserves the truth. 904 00:34:58,682 --> 00:35:01,319 - It’s time to stop [bleep] us, 905 00:35:01,319 --> 00:35:06,319 stop [bleep] yourself, and just be real. 906 00:35:06,319 --> 00:35:09,055 [intense music] 907 00:35:11,843 --> 00:35:14,145 - Stop [bleep] us, stop [bleep] yourself, 908 00:35:14,212 --> 00:35:15,713 and just be real. 909 00:35:15,780 --> 00:35:18,183 - Are you ready to tell the truth? 910 00:35:19,417 --> 00:35:20,752 - Yeah. 911 00:35:20,819 --> 00:35:23,087 - Okay. Let's start from the beginning 912 00:35:23,154 --> 00:35:25,757 and just give us the truth, and just lay it out. 913 00:35:25,824 --> 00:35:27,759 - How many profiles are out there? 914 00:35:27,826 --> 00:35:32,831 - Right now I only have maybe three. 915 00:35:32,897 --> 00:35:34,532 Maybe three. Yeah. 916 00:35:34,599 --> 00:35:36,000 - So Elena is you? 917 00:35:36,067 --> 00:35:38,269 - Yeah. - Yes. 918 00:35:38,336 --> 00:35:40,705 - Right. - Okay. 919 00:35:40,772 --> 00:35:43,208 - The fake Emma profile is you? 920 00:35:43,274 --> 00:35:44,809 - Yeah. 921 00:35:44,876 --> 00:35:46,978 - And then obviously the profile with Jake's picture 922 00:35:47,045 --> 00:35:49,013 was also you the whole time? 923 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:50,081 - Yeah. 924 00:35:52,183 --> 00:35:55,253 - Why does your phone number come back to a Tiana [bleep]? 925 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:56,888 - Oh, because it's my dead name. 926 00:36:01,726 --> 00:36:03,027 - Mm-hmm. 927 00:36:05,029 --> 00:36:05,964 - Mm-mm. 928 00:36:07,265 --> 00:36:11,503 So not a fiancé? You've never been engaged? 929 00:36:11,569 --> 00:36:13,805 - No. - Being that that is 930 00:36:13,872 --> 00:36:15,640 your dead name, we will not be using it again. 931 00:36:15,707 --> 00:36:18,343 Why not tell Emma that 932 00:36:18,409 --> 00:36:21,913 when she asked you about the phone results? 933 00:36:22,013 --> 00:36:27,852 - Just being scared to just be honest and be myself. 934 00:36:27,919 --> 00:36:30,722 - Disclosure is a very difficult thing to do. 935 00:36:30,789 --> 00:36:33,124 That is a very understandable thing. 936 00:36:33,191 --> 00:36:37,796 But your behavior is not. It is pretty appalling 937 00:36:37,862 --> 00:36:40,832 the things that you have put Emma through. 938 00:36:40,899 --> 00:36:43,535 In your quest of being close to her, 939 00:36:43,601 --> 00:36:46,037 you were trying to force Emma's hand 940 00:36:46,070 --> 00:36:49,073 the way that you were sending her nudes out. 941 00:36:49,140 --> 00:36:51,342 You're upset, so you send somebody's pictures out? 942 00:36:51,409 --> 00:36:53,912 You don't have the right to do something like that, 943 00:36:54,045 --> 00:36:56,181 because I'm sure you wouldn't want that done to you. 944 00:36:56,247 --> 00:37:00,351 It is difficult to understand how someone who has decided 945 00:37:00,418 --> 00:37:03,087 to live an authentic life 946 00:37:03,154 --> 00:37:07,258 is leading such an inauthentic life on the side, 947 00:37:07,325 --> 00:37:11,429 doing all of this. Like, come on. 948 00:37:11,496 --> 00:37:14,399 - I think obviously I have anger issues. 949 00:37:14,466 --> 00:37:17,535 So for me, like when I do certain things, 950 00:37:17,602 --> 00:37:20,505 I don't even know that I'm doing them in the moment. 951 00:37:20,572 --> 00:37:23,408 'Cause I'll do it, and then it'll be brought back up to me 952 00:37:23,475 --> 00:37:24,576 and I'm like, "No, I didn't do that." 953 00:37:24,642 --> 00:37:26,878 But I actually did do it. 954 00:37:27,011 --> 00:37:28,413 I sort of just, I don't know, black out 955 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,582 I guess you could say, 956 00:37:30,648 --> 00:37:32,283 - But what brings that anger on? 957 00:37:32,350 --> 00:37:34,185 Was it something about Emma specifically? 958 00:37:34,252 --> 00:37:36,287 - Yeah. Did I do something? - No. No. 959 00:37:36,354 --> 00:37:40,758 Like I was just in too deep, like emotionally. 960 00:37:40,825 --> 00:37:44,662 I think there was just like abandonment issues. 961 00:37:44,729 --> 00:37:48,533 From like childhood to like now, 962 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,604 I don't really understand like how to handle people 963 00:37:52,670 --> 00:37:55,106 just--just leaving, I guess. 964 00:37:55,173 --> 00:37:57,909 - So you think the times when Emma may have threatened 965 00:37:58,042 --> 00:38:00,345 to stop talking to you that could have triggered 966 00:38:00,411 --> 00:38:03,681 sort of that anger or fear of abandonment 967 00:38:03,748 --> 00:38:05,350 and--and then caused you 968 00:38:05,416 --> 00:38:08,153 to retaliate with harsh words or threats? 969 00:38:08,219 --> 00:38:09,454 - Yeah. 970 00:38:09,521 --> 00:38:11,389 - Who do you have to talk to about that? 971 00:38:11,456 --> 00:38:15,226 - Right now, I don't talk to anybody about this stuff. 972 00:38:15,293 --> 00:38:18,096 - Well, I think that it's gonna be vital for you. 973 00:38:18,163 --> 00:38:20,165 It will help you avoid 974 00:38:20,231 --> 00:38:22,000 situations like this in the future. 975 00:38:22,066 --> 00:38:25,303 So before you can have any relationships with anyone, 976 00:38:25,370 --> 00:38:30,074 and before you can truly live in authentic life 977 00:38:30,141 --> 00:38:32,811 you gotta start talking to somebody professionally 978 00:38:32,877 --> 00:38:35,013 about the things that you're feeling on the inside. 979 00:38:35,046 --> 00:38:40,018 Until you unlock some of what's going on in here, 980 00:38:40,018 --> 00:38:42,287 it's gonna fester in your life 981 00:38:42,353 --> 00:38:46,124 and you're never gonna be able to just live freely. 982 00:38:46,191 --> 00:38:48,393 - I agree. - Okay. 983 00:38:48,460 --> 00:38:52,197 - You're not alone, and you deserve to find somebody 984 00:38:52,263 --> 00:38:54,466 who accepts you and loves you for you. 985 00:38:54,532 --> 00:38:56,067 That's what we want for you. 986 00:38:56,134 --> 00:38:58,369 But it's not gonna be with Emma. 987 00:38:58,436 --> 00:39:01,706 You are going to have to let her go. 988 00:39:01,773 --> 00:39:03,641 You are not to text her, hound her, 989 00:39:03,708 --> 00:39:05,477 text anybody in her life. 990 00:39:05,543 --> 00:39:09,047 Send pictures of her to anyone--that is inappropriate. 991 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,817 It's out of [bleep] line. You can't do that anymore. 992 00:39:12,884 --> 00:39:13,985 - I just think at this point 993 00:39:14,018 --> 00:39:16,121 there's been too much damage done 994 00:39:16,187 --> 00:39:19,858 where I--I can't really offer you anything anymore. 995 00:39:21,092 --> 00:39:23,261 I can't be in contact with you. 996 00:39:25,663 --> 00:39:27,365 - That's understandable. 997 00:39:27,432 --> 00:39:29,234 - It would be in everyone's best interest 998 00:39:29,300 --> 00:39:33,171 if you close any existing profiles that you've created. 999 00:39:33,238 --> 00:39:35,206 - And deleting the photos of Emma. 1000 00:39:35,273 --> 00:39:36,708 - Please. 1001 00:39:36,775 --> 00:39:38,276 - Got it. 1002 00:39:38,343 --> 00:39:40,512 - Thank you for coming forward and being honest, 1003 00:39:40,578 --> 00:39:45,650 and explaining things to me. It definitely has helped a lot. 1004 00:39:45,717 --> 00:39:48,119 I don't think you're necessary a bad person. 1005 00:39:48,186 --> 00:39:50,655 I just think you made bad decisions. 1006 00:39:50,722 --> 00:39:52,457 - Thanks. 1007 00:39:52,524 --> 00:39:54,926 - All right, EJ. - I wish you the best. 1008 00:39:55,026 --> 00:39:56,194 - Good luck. - Take care. 1009 00:39:56,261 --> 00:39:58,463 - Thanks again. - Bye. 1010 00:39:58,530 --> 00:40:01,199 - Oh man. 1011 00:40:01,266 --> 00:40:04,235 - It doesn't feel like it ended on a positive note, 1012 00:40:04,302 --> 00:40:06,838 but it does feel like it ended. 1013 00:40:06,905 --> 00:40:08,206 - No, I was going to say 1014 00:40:08,273 --> 00:40:09,974 it definitely feels like it's ended 1015 00:40:10,008 --> 00:40:11,476 - And now, hopefully, 1016 00:40:11,543 --> 00:40:15,814 you can move forward and meet people in your real life. 1017 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,984 - I appreciate all the help that you guys provided me with. 1018 00:40:20,018 --> 00:40:21,286 - Got your back, girl. 1019 00:40:21,352 --> 00:40:22,687 - Good luck with everything. 1020 00:40:22,754 --> 00:40:24,856 - Thank you, guys. 1021 00:40:24,989 --> 00:40:26,791 - See ya. - Bye. 1022 00:40:26,858 --> 00:40:29,394 - ♪ I been up late thinkin' 'bout you, girl ♪ 1023 00:40:29,461 --> 00:40:31,563 ♪ Thinkin' 'bout you, girl, thinkin' 'bout you, girl ♪ 1024 00:40:31,629 --> 00:40:34,132 ♪ I can't stay here knowin' that it's true 'cause ♪ 1025 00:40:34,199 --> 00:40:36,634 ♪ I know I know I know ♪ 1026 00:40:36,701 --> 00:40:38,002 ♪ We can't go back ♪ 1027 00:40:38,002 --> 00:40:39,637 ♪ ♪ 1028 00:40:39,704 --> 00:40:42,807 ♪ For we both, we both, we both deserve the best ♪ 1029 00:40:42,874 --> 00:40:44,242 ♪ ♪ 1030 00:40:44,309 --> 00:40:45,677 ♪ I wish you well ♪ 1031 00:41:01,584 --> 00:41:02,519 - We got Gabby. She gets this message from Kendrick. 1032 00:41:02,585 --> 00:41:03,853 They get closer and closer. 1033 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,422 - He talked about, "Oh, I wanna be with you." 1034 00:41:05,488 --> 00:41:09,926 But he got shot, and he died. It definitely hit me hard. 1035 00:41:09,993 --> 00:41:11,528 - That's him right there! - What? 1036 00:41:11,594 --> 00:41:12,762 - Can I have a moment? 1037 00:41:12,829 --> 00:41:14,764 - It's like a real life spamming mail. 1038 00:41:14,831 --> 00:41:16,833 [doorbell sound] - Someone here? 1039 00:41:16,900 --> 00:41:19,135 Oh, hello?