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He claims that he's part of
this group of college athletes
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that were sharing
this fake social media.
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- He would text me
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from multiple
different phone numbers.
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It's out of control
at this point.
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- I got a Instagram message
from EJ.
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He sent me multiple pictures
of Emma naked.
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- Is there something
he seems to want?
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[escalating music]
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- To be with me.
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[dramatic musical sting]
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- All right. There she is.
Back from London.
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- I can't believe
I'm seeing you.
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- Wow, really?
- Yeah. Oh.
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- I got hugs.
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Oh, you got the new flag, huh?
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- Yeah. I've changed.
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[British accent]
I've changed, babe.
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- Tell me about "Catfish UK."
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- Hey.
- Hey!
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- I mean, that is--
that's the shot.
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- [British accent]
Oh, look, some tea.
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So perfect.
Thank you.
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- That's actually really good.
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- I've switched sides.
- Yeah.
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- The British are coming.
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- Lady Kamie, your throne.
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- [laughing]
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- Anyway, let's get to work.
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Enough chit-chat.
We've got emails.
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Here's one. "He's already
confessed too much.
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Hey, Nev and Kamie,
my name is Emma."
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I'm a 24-year-old
speech pathologist
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from Kenilworth, New Jersey.
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I've been involved
with someone named EJ
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for the past six months,
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but my question is how many
people have I been talking to?
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- Mmm...
- I met EJ on social media,
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and I instantly thought,
"That's my future husband."
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He's cute, and at the time,
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played football for
the University of [bleep].
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He's very caring
and thoughtful
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and always checks on me.
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I recently went through
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a total health
and fitness transformation
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and lost over 100 pounds.
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- Wow.
- So meeting EJ after that
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felt magical.
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Everything was going great
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until EJ started
acting in weird ways
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and confessing
some pretty crazy stuff.
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First, EJ told me he would
come see me in New Jersey,
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but then he stood me up
at the last minute.
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I was heartbroken.
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And when he finally
got back in touch,
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he told me that his friend
Kyle had stolen his phone,
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and I was actually talking
to Kyle for that time.
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♪ ♪
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And then EJ comes out
with a new confession.
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Turns out, from the start,
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I was talking to
EJ's shady friend Jake.
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What?
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At that point I was done.
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I blocked EJ on everything,
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but he wouldn't stay gone.
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I tried to move on
and date someone new,
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but EJ started DMing
that person
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and probably ruined my chances
with him too.
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This is getting stalker level.
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Now I'm just freaked out.
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He has my home address,
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and I've sent him
really provocative photos.
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- ♪ Is it fact or fiction? ♪
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- Please,
help me unravel this mess,
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and help me find some answers.
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- Emma.
- Whoa.
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Let's text Emma. We definitely
need to find more about this.
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- Hello, Emma.
It's Nev and Kamie.
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I mean, Steve and Sammy.
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[laughing]
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Hopefully, she gets the joke.
Oh, she gave it a haha.
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I need some help understanding
this crazy story.
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- Do we even know
if it's a guy?
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- It's a very...
- Has she talked to him
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on the phone?
- Strange person.
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[chime]
- Oh, hey.
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- Hey.
- Hey.
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- Welcome.
- Oh, Emma.
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Hello, hello.
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How are things in New Jersey?
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- A little cold, but you know,
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other than that,
everything's been cool.
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- Well, we want
to hear your story.
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'Cause you mentioned
in the email that meeting EJ...
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- Mm-hmm.
- Came right after this
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health and fitness
and wellness journey.
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- So as of a year
and a half ago,
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I started to work out avidly,
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just kind of changed
my whole lifestyle
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'cause I wasn't happy
with how I looked,
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and I'm down
just about 100 pounds.
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It's crazy.
- That is crazy.
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- Wow.
- I look at myself sometimes.
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I don't even recognize myself.
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So talking to someone
after this whole transition
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was kind
of a big thing, you know?
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- Right.
- Yeah.
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- So back in April,
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he followed me on Instagram.
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I was like,
"Wow, he's really cute."
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I'll slide in the DMs.
So I messaged him,
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and within a day or two,
I gave him my phone number.
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He started texting.
He kind of came in
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at a point where I needed
someone like him.
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Just like a really good
caring person,
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someone who was
willing to listen.
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And he would always remember
little things that I told him.
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I'm like, I'm a sucker.
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If you could remember
the little things I'm like,
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"Oh, you pay attention."
It was awesome.
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- Okay. And his Instagram
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to you looked fully legit
and like a real person?
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- Oh, yeah.
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He had verified athletes
commenting on his posts.
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- Whoa. Really?
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- Oh, he--'cause
he played football?
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- Yeah. So he claimed.
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- What was his position?
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- He claimed quarterback.
- Classic.
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- He could have said safety
or something more believable.
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- Right?
But at that point,
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I didn't
really think twice about it.
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- And are you guys just texting
or talking on the phone?
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- So I'd be like,
"Oh, can you FaceTime me?"
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He'd be like,
"Yeah, I'm in my practice.
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As soon as I'm done
with practice."
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- Practice. Practice
is the new "in the studio."
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- Yeah. "I got practice."
It's so easy.
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- Right. And he would always
make it a point to FaceTime me
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or call me
whenever I was asleep.
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- Oh my G--
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- Isn't that insane?
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- So you have not spoken to him
on the phone?
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- No. Never.
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- Okay.
So why don't you just take us
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down the timeline
of the foolishness?
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Because there's been a lot.
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- Let's fast forward
now to June.
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He tells me
he can come see me.
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So he buys his airfare.
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He's texting
"I'm on my flight."
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And then he's like,
"Okay, tomorrow be ready.
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I have something
special planned for us."
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I'm like, "Oh, okay, cool."
1:00 rolls around,
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and he tells me
he's outside my house.
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So I'm outside on the street
and I'm like, "Where are you?
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You're not here.
I'm not doing this."
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So at this point,
I'm done and I cut him off,
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but this is where
it gets kind of nutty.
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After a week and a half,
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he claims that his phone
got stolen by a kid
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who is on the football team.
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So EJ was like,
"I haven't been talking to you
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for a week and a half."
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And he sends me
a long screenshot
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of a message
from this kid Kyle.
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And he's like,
"Hey man, I messed up.
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I've been talking to the girl
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and I made it seem like
I was in New Jersey."
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It was a really long message
that was sent.
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And I was like, "Wow. Okay,
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maybe that's actually
kind of believable."
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- No. No.
No one would leave their phone
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for a week and a half--
it just doesn't happen.
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- Right.
At this point something's
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like not sitting right with me.
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So I reverse searched
his phone number
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and it's registered
to a Tiana [bleep].
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- Whoa.
- Good work.
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- Right?
- So what did he say?
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- He then proceeded to tell me
he actually had a fiancée,
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and his fiancée's name
was Tiana [bleep].
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- Oh my God!
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- Finally, after days
of arguing with him I'm like,
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"I don't believe
anything you say.
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I think you're just a liar."
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He's like, "You know what?
I have to tell you something."
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He's like,
"Look up Jake [bleep]."
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And I found out EJ's pictures
are actually the quarterback
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at the University of [bleep].
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- So EJ showed you
that the pictures
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that you thought were EJ
had actually been Jake [bleep]
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the whole time.
- Right.
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- What the [bleep]
is happening?
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- So now EJ is like me,
Jake, and this kid Kyle
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are behind
this Instagram account
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to cheat on their girlfriends.
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- So now he's claiming
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that Jake has been in
on this whole thing.
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- Right.
He sent me one more picture.
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He told me, "Hey, this is me,"
and then
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a couple days later, the person
came up on my TikTok.
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His name was Dane.
And I'm like "That's not you."
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- Wait. So he said,
"This is actually me"
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and he sent you a picture
of another kind of hot
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influencer guy on TikTok.
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- Yeah, he was an athlete.
Again, they're all athletes.
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So at this point,
I blocked him.
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But no matter how I tried
to cut this kid off,
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he finds different ways
to contact me.
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So September 18th,
I went and I got skin removal
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and EJ text me
from a different phone number.
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It was like, "Here's a video
with Jake wishing you luck."
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- Do you still have it?
- What, the video?
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Yeah. Do you wanna see it?
- Yeah, we wanna see it!
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- Okay.
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- Oh, here we go.
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- Hey, Emma. This is Jake.
Just wanted to say hi
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and wish you luck before
your big surgery tomorrow.
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Just know that I'm thinking
about you
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and I'm sure everything
will go smoothly.
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- It's a Cameo.
It's a Cameo.
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- Do you know what Cameo is?
Do you know that app?
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- No.
- Okay. So there's an app
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where you can find athletes
and actors and celebrities--
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- And us.
- We're on there.
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And pay them to record
a video for you.
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- Let's look up his name.
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- Jake [bleep].
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- He's got a [bleep] Cameo.
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- What is that?
- They've only got one on here.
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- Emma!
- Oh my God!
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Wait, but that's
not you, is it?
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- No!
- "Thank you so much, Jake.
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This really made my day.
The surgery was a success."
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- He must have made an account
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and named himself Emma
and [bleep] did it!
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- Oh my God.
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- That's insane.
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- EJ made a fake account
calling himself Emma,
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requested a Cameo, and then
left a review as you...
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- Sick.
- Post-surgery.
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- That's sick.
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I am floored.
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I am floored.
- Wow!
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This is nuts.
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You are involved with
one of the more
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creative and sophisticated
catfishes we've ever seen.
249
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- That's insane.
- Is it easy for you
250
00:09:19,293 --> 00:09:20,792
to show us some of
the more recent photos
251
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that EJ has sent you?
252
00:09:21,895 --> 00:09:23,295
- Yeah, definitely.
253
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This is the picture of the guy
he claimed he was
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after he told me
he wasn't Jake.
255
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- This is Dane.
- The TikToker.
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- Right. That's Dane.
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This is a picture
he posted of Jake.
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- Do you have pictures of Kyle?
- Yeah. This is Kyle.
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- Can we see
some of your messages?
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- Yeah.
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So this is him
just constantly reaching out.
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- He's been messaging you
on Kik?
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- Yeah, because he's
blocked now on social media.
264
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- And he just keeps
sending messages.
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He just keeps sending messages.
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- Yeah.
- You're like still being nice.
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- Oh yeah. I'm concerned
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because he has nude photos
and my address.
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But also if I'm mean,
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he'll send me
like biblical verses
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and tell me I'm disgusting,
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because I don't see
that God loves everybody
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regardless
of the sins that they've--
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- Girl, get this [bleep] creep
outta here.
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What is happening?
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- Isn't that wild?
- Wow. Okay. So what else?
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- [laughing]
No more.
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- [laughing]
- Please!
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- Is there more?
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- Yeah, so he messages
my friend Tyler.
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He's like, "Do you know Emma?
I heard she's dead."
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- What the [bleep]?
283
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- And then EJ's sending him
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screenshots of nude pictures
that I have sent him
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to try and convince him
that he knows me well.
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And then a couple weeks ago,
I was starting to
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go out with someone that
I've previously gone out with.
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And EJ went to the extent
of catfishing the guy
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that I was seeing as a woman.
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And I was like, oh my God...
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- Uh...yeah.
292
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- He's crazy.
293
00:10:55,022 --> 00:10:56,554
- This person is obsessed
with you,
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and it's like actually crazy.
295
00:10:59,793 --> 00:11:03,762
- It's sick, and it's just it's
out of control at this point.
296
00:11:03,830 --> 00:11:07,599
- Is there something
he seems to want?
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- To be with me.
298
00:11:09,269 --> 00:11:11,436
- It like literally
gives me chills.
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That's so weird.
300
00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,774
- All right. Listen, Emma,
we've got a lot of work to do.
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- Yes.
- Send us everything.
302
00:11:17,344 --> 00:11:19,744
- We're gonna get into it
right now. Sit tight.
303
00:11:19,813 --> 00:11:20,912
We'll--we'll be in touch soon.
304
00:11:20,981 --> 00:11:22,781
- Bye.
- Bye.
305
00:11:22,849 --> 00:11:24,182
[chime]
- This is different.
306
00:11:24,251 --> 00:11:27,052
- Clearly, there is a person
or a group of people
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who are taking great joy
in manipulating her.
308
00:11:30,590 --> 00:11:31,623
- She's [bleep] scared.
309
00:11:31,692 --> 00:11:32,957
Like, she's scared.
- Right.
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00:11:33,026 --> 00:11:36,795
- Whoever this person is,
it's time for it to end.
311
00:11:38,832 --> 00:11:41,132
- All that talk about Cameo
yesterday made me realize
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I'm totally behind
on my requests.
313
00:11:43,236 --> 00:11:44,402
All right, ready, Kamie?
We gotta do a quick Cameo.
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00:11:44,471 --> 00:11:46,071
It's just about to expire.
- What you got?
315
00:11:46,139 --> 00:11:48,540
- This is for Sarah
from her friend Jack
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00:11:48,608 --> 00:11:50,308
who says, "I honestly,
I don't watch 'Catfish,'
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00:11:50,377 --> 00:11:51,676
So maybe tie that in there
somewhere."
318
00:11:51,745 --> 00:11:53,344
- What?
- The guy who got it just knows
319
00:11:53,413 --> 00:11:54,579
that she loves the show...
- Oh, my God.
320
00:11:54,648 --> 00:11:55,980
- And has like no idea
what it is.
321
00:11:56,049 --> 00:11:59,818
Hey, Sarah, it's Nev here.
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00:11:59,886 --> 00:12:01,119
Happy birthday.
323
00:12:01,188 --> 00:12:02,353
- Happy birthday.
324
00:12:02,422 --> 00:12:04,089
- And we're we happy
to be a part of it.
325
00:12:04,157 --> 00:12:06,024
- Shout out to Jack,
because he sent us here.
326
00:12:06,093 --> 00:12:07,592
- And Jack, who has no idea
327
00:12:07,661 --> 00:12:09,327
what we do
or what "Catfish" is
328
00:12:09,396 --> 00:12:11,596
but knew enough about you
to know that you love it.
329
00:12:11,665 --> 00:12:13,264
Bye.
- Bye!
330
00:12:13,333 --> 00:12:15,433
- Perfect.
- Okay.
331
00:12:15,502 --> 00:12:17,736
- All right. Basically,
Emma met a guy on Instagram
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named EJ,
who's proceeded to lure her
333
00:12:20,340 --> 00:12:23,141
into a romantic relationship,
string it out,
334
00:12:23,210 --> 00:12:25,677
falsely lead her to believe
that they were gonna meet up.
335
00:12:25,746 --> 00:12:27,645
Then he brings up
other stories about,
336
00:12:27,714 --> 00:12:29,781
"Oh, that wasn't me.
My friend had my phone and oh,
337
00:12:29,850 --> 00:12:31,816
I've actually been lying.
I'm this guy."
338
00:12:31,885 --> 00:12:33,284
And now he claims that
339
00:12:33,353 --> 00:12:35,420
he's part of this group
of college athletes
340
00:12:35,489 --> 00:12:38,757
that were at some point sharing
this fake Instagram account.
341
00:12:38,825 --> 00:12:41,626
He went as far as to
order a Cameo from Jake,
342
00:12:41,695 --> 00:12:43,828
the guy who he said
he was friends with
343
00:12:43,897 --> 00:12:46,664
to wish her a good surgery
to make it seem convincing
344
00:12:46,733 --> 00:12:48,967
that Jake is
somehow involved in this.
345
00:12:49,035 --> 00:12:50,735
Whoever Emma's talking to
346
00:12:50,804 --> 00:12:53,938
seems to be willing
to do anything to get to her.
347
00:12:54,007 --> 00:12:55,940
- Even catfishing
the guy that Emma
348
00:12:56,009 --> 00:12:57,709
is actually dating
in real life
349
00:12:57,778 --> 00:13:00,311
to try to drive a wedge
between them.
350
00:13:00,380 --> 00:13:02,380
- Emma's in a situation
right now that is worrisome.
351
00:13:02,449 --> 00:13:04,282
This person has naked
pictures of Emma,
352
00:13:04,351 --> 00:13:06,251
and he's proven
he's willing to use them.
353
00:13:06,319 --> 00:13:08,186
We need to find out
who the hell this is
354
00:13:08,255 --> 00:13:09,754
and carefully
put an end to this.
355
00:13:09,823 --> 00:13:11,089
- Yeah.
356
00:13:11,158 --> 00:13:12,557
- So we got
another email here
357
00:13:12,626 --> 00:13:14,025
from Emma
with some information.
358
00:13:14,094 --> 00:13:16,461
So, "Hy Nev and Kamie,
here's the info I have on EJ.
359
00:13:16,530 --> 00:13:18,096
His full name
is Elijah [bleep],
360
00:13:18,165 --> 00:13:20,799
his phone number
and his email on Insta
361
00:13:20,867 --> 00:13:23,334
before he took it down,
or it was taken down.
362
00:13:23,403 --> 00:13:24,536
- Mm-hmm.
- The first person
363
00:13:24,604 --> 00:13:26,738
I was talking to
was named Jake [bleep].
364
00:13:26,807 --> 00:13:29,707
Then there was Kyle [bleep]
who stole his phone.
365
00:13:29,776 --> 00:13:33,144
He also messaged my friend
Tyler about me being dead.
366
00:13:33,213 --> 00:13:34,445
Tyler can tell you
more about it.
367
00:13:34,514 --> 00:13:36,247
You should reach out to him.
Here's his number.
368
00:13:36,316 --> 00:13:37,448
I added
all the pictures I have.
369
00:13:37,517 --> 00:13:38,683
That's all I have for now.
370
00:13:38,752 --> 00:13:40,285
Let me know
if you have any questions.
371
00:13:40,353 --> 00:13:43,221
Thank you so much. Emma."
Okay, well...
372
00:13:43,290 --> 00:13:44,355
here's Jake.
- Right.
373
00:13:44,424 --> 00:13:46,324
- The real football player,
374
00:13:46,393 --> 00:13:48,726
and Dane, the guy
she recognized from TikTok.
375
00:13:48,795 --> 00:13:50,528
I assume she's also
run the photos,
376
00:13:50,597 --> 00:13:51,696
but it doesn't really matter
because--
377
00:13:51,765 --> 00:13:53,231
- We know who they are.
- Right.
378
00:13:53,300 --> 00:13:55,500
- So let's just start
with this phone number.
379
00:13:56,436 --> 00:13:59,103
This has been the number
that is used most of the time.
380
00:13:59,172 --> 00:14:02,207
- Right.
- Oh yeah. Tiana [bleep].
381
00:14:02,275 --> 00:14:04,375
- Same name that came up
in Emma's search.
382
00:14:04,444 --> 00:14:06,878
Let's run the number on
Cash App and see what we get.
383
00:14:06,947 --> 00:14:08,313
[lightly suspenseful music]
384
00:14:08,381 --> 00:14:10,114
- Tiana.
- Tiana.
385
00:14:10,183 --> 00:14:11,683
- It's her.
- It seems like
386
00:14:11,751 --> 00:14:13,418
we're definitely dealing with
a girl here,
387
00:14:13,486 --> 00:14:15,353
and clearly it's Tiana.
388
00:14:15,422 --> 00:14:16,821
- It's gotta be.
- Which also makes sense
389
00:14:16,890 --> 00:14:18,056
why they've never
talked on the phone...
390
00:14:18,124 --> 00:14:19,123
- Yeah.
- Or FaceTimed.
391
00:14:19,192 --> 00:14:20,191
- But who is Tiana?
Who is she?
392
00:14:20,260 --> 00:14:21,459
- But who is Tiana?
393
00:14:21,528 --> 00:14:23,661
All right, let's look up
Tiana [bleep].
394
00:14:24,865 --> 00:14:26,030
Interesting.
395
00:14:26,099 --> 00:14:29,567
There are only three
Tiana [bleep] on Facebook.
396
00:14:30,637 --> 00:14:34,305
First hit is a sort
of weird profile.
397
00:14:34,374 --> 00:14:36,441
No picture, eight friends,
398
00:14:36,509 --> 00:14:38,643
but it hasn't been used
in a long time.
399
00:14:38,712 --> 00:14:40,879
Let's see about this next one.
400
00:14:41,748 --> 00:14:45,617
Another sort of dead profile,
but let's try this third one.
401
00:14:46,686 --> 00:14:48,953
Looks like
they're all inactive.
402
00:14:49,022 --> 00:14:50,288
It's not a common name.
403
00:14:50,357 --> 00:14:51,623
It's just weird
that there are
404
00:14:51,691 --> 00:14:54,759
three Tiana [bleep]
Facebook pages,
405
00:14:54,828 --> 00:14:57,929
and they're all
very weird, empty profiles.
406
00:14:57,998 --> 00:14:59,764
- She's looking weird.
She's looking sus.
407
00:14:59,833 --> 00:15:00,798
- Right. Very sus.
408
00:15:00,867 --> 00:15:03,001
Guess we could do
an Instagram search.
409
00:15:03,069 --> 00:15:05,336
Tiana [bleep].
410
00:15:05,405 --> 00:15:08,473
Oh, just one result.
411
00:15:08,541 --> 00:15:11,109
Ooh. "Ball is life."
412
00:15:11,177 --> 00:15:12,610
Athlete.
- Mm.
413
00:15:12,679 --> 00:15:15,813
One actual photo of her.
"Bored.
414
00:15:15,882 --> 00:15:17,715
Something to post.
Like. Follow."
415
00:15:19,352 --> 00:15:20,885
So this--what?
- Uhh!
416
00:15:20,954 --> 00:15:22,053
- Uhh!
- What?
417
00:15:22,122 --> 00:15:23,955
- Bible verse.
- [gasps]
418
00:15:24,024 --> 00:15:25,857
- [whispers] Bible verse.
419
00:15:25,926 --> 00:15:28,526
- EJ has been sending
biblical verses.
420
00:15:28,595 --> 00:15:30,561
- Although, a lot of people
do use Bible verses,
421
00:15:30,630 --> 00:15:32,230
but that's interesting.
422
00:15:32,299 --> 00:15:33,865
- The phone number
comes back to Tiana.
423
00:15:33,934 --> 00:15:35,466
The Cash App
comes back to Tiana.
424
00:15:35,535 --> 00:15:37,702
- Right.
- Clearly, Tiana is
425
00:15:37,771 --> 00:15:40,104
at the center
of this [bleep]storm.
426
00:15:40,173 --> 00:15:43,374
- Yeah. But is this the Tiana
we're looking for?
427
00:15:43,443 --> 00:15:44,676
What else do we have?
428
00:15:44,744 --> 00:15:47,045
- We have the number for Tyler.
- Right.
429
00:15:47,113 --> 00:15:50,548
Emma's actual friend
who EJ sent Emma's nudes to.
430
00:15:50,617 --> 00:15:52,016
We should get
his side of the story.
431
00:15:52,085 --> 00:15:53,618
I'm gonna send a message.
432
00:15:55,588 --> 00:15:57,188
Let's just see
if he gets back to us.
433
00:15:57,257 --> 00:16:00,158
I wanna also reach out to Jake.
434
00:16:00,226 --> 00:16:01,659
He's one of
the football players
435
00:16:01,728 --> 00:16:04,262
who supposedly
used EJ's account.
436
00:16:04,331 --> 00:16:06,497
I doubt it,
but he may know something.
437
00:16:06,566 --> 00:16:10,501
Hey, Jake.
It's Nev from "Catfish."
438
00:16:10,570 --> 00:16:13,471
Do I have a story for you.
439
00:16:13,540 --> 00:16:15,006
Give me a call.
440
00:16:15,075 --> 00:16:17,842
Well, just about run out
of things to search.
441
00:16:17,911 --> 00:16:20,111
- We could search
Kyle [bleep].
442
00:16:20,180 --> 00:16:23,181
- Yes, let's do that.
He's the other football player,
443
00:16:23,249 --> 00:16:24,983
The one who supposedly
stole EJ's phone
444
00:16:25,051 --> 00:16:27,885
and lied to Emma
about meeting in New Jersey.
445
00:16:27,954 --> 00:16:30,755
[suspenseful music]
446
00:16:30,824 --> 00:16:32,623
Is this the guy?
447
00:16:32,692 --> 00:16:34,993
Let's send him a message--
448
00:16:35,061 --> 00:16:37,328
I mean Kyle the same message.
449
00:16:38,898 --> 00:16:40,431
[phone chimes]
Ooh, look at this.
450
00:16:40,500 --> 00:16:42,900
Tyler wrote back.
Let's see if he can talk.
451
00:16:42,969 --> 00:16:44,569
- Can he Zoom?
452
00:16:44,637 --> 00:16:45,803
- I'll send him the link.
453
00:16:45,872 --> 00:16:47,005
Here he comes.
454
00:16:47,073 --> 00:16:48,306
[chime]
Oh!
455
00:16:49,676 --> 00:16:51,476
- How you guys doing?
Nice to meet you guys.
456
00:16:51,544 --> 00:16:53,711
- Welcome, to the show.
- Glad to be here.
457
00:16:53,780 --> 00:16:55,546
- Do you know about
this crazy thing
458
00:16:55,615 --> 00:16:56,948
that's been going on with Emma?
459
00:16:57,017 --> 00:16:59,017
- Yeah, pretty much
everything about it. Yeah.
460
00:16:59,085 --> 00:17:01,452
- And Emma's a friend of yours?
- Yes.
461
00:17:01,521 --> 00:17:02,720
We went
to high school together.
462
00:17:02,789 --> 00:17:04,522
- Okay.
And so you're fully up to speed
463
00:17:04,591 --> 00:17:07,258
with the whole crazy EJ saga?
464
00:17:07,327 --> 00:17:08,760
- Yes.
So a couple weeks ago
465
00:17:08,828 --> 00:17:11,229
I got a Instagram
message from EJ.
466
00:17:11,297 --> 00:17:15,666
He asked me, "Is Emma dead?"
And obviously she's not.
467
00:17:15,735 --> 00:17:18,036
So I was like,
"You know, what is this?
468
00:17:18,104 --> 00:17:19,203
You know,
what's going on with this?"
469
00:17:19,272 --> 00:17:21,239
And then he then sent me back
470
00:17:21,307 --> 00:17:24,909
multiple pictures
of Emma naked
471
00:17:24,978 --> 00:17:29,280
and said,
"I know her very well."
472
00:17:29,349 --> 00:17:31,382
- Wow.
- Yes.
473
00:17:31,451 --> 00:17:32,617
So then I gave her
a phone call,
474
00:17:32,685 --> 00:17:34,585
and then she gave me
the whole rundown that,
475
00:17:34,654 --> 00:17:36,154
you know,
he's pretty much a guy
476
00:17:36,222 --> 00:17:39,690
that she was talking to that
was, you know, stalking her.
477
00:17:39,759 --> 00:17:42,527
And she told me
that he made a fake
478
00:17:42,595 --> 00:17:45,363
Instagram account of her
that had her name in it
479
00:17:45,432 --> 00:17:47,665
and was selling
the naked pictures
480
00:17:47,734 --> 00:17:49,600
that he sent me
on the internet.
481
00:17:49,669 --> 00:17:51,569
- Wow.
We knew he'd sent them to you,
482
00:17:51,638 --> 00:17:53,771
but we had no idea
that there was
483
00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,374
a fake Emma account
selling her nudes online.
484
00:17:56,443 --> 00:17:58,543
- Yeah.
- I mean, it is concerning.
485
00:17:58,611 --> 00:17:59,911
- It's very concerning.
Yeah.
486
00:17:59,979 --> 00:18:01,946
There's something very wrong
with this person.
487
00:18:02,015 --> 00:18:05,116
- Have you ever heard of a girl
named Tiana [bleep]?
488
00:18:05,185 --> 00:18:06,317
- No.
489
00:18:06,386 --> 00:18:08,853
- Okay. Well, man. All right.
490
00:18:08,922 --> 00:18:10,755
Well, thank you so much
for your help.
491
00:18:10,824 --> 00:18:13,458
Good to have some
additional info from you there.
492
00:18:13,526 --> 00:18:14,892
- Thanks, Tyler.
493
00:18:14,961 --> 00:18:16,828
- No problem. Hope I helped
you guys a little bit.
494
00:18:16,896 --> 00:18:18,663
- For sure.
- All right, guys.
495
00:18:18,731 --> 00:18:20,665
Nice meeting you.
- All right, later, bud.
496
00:18:21,201 --> 00:18:22,900
Wow.
So there's even more
497
00:18:22,969 --> 00:18:24,869
to the story
that Emma didn't mention.
498
00:18:24,938 --> 00:18:27,572
- No.
- They had a fake Emma Page.
499
00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,174
People on Instagram
were buying her nude pictures.
500
00:18:30,243 --> 00:18:32,743
It's so messed up.
- What are they trying to do
501
00:18:32,812 --> 00:18:34,946
other than like destroy
her life?
502
00:18:35,014 --> 00:18:37,115
I am now on a quest.
503
00:18:37,183 --> 00:18:38,983
I'm not playing--I'm about to
take this bitch down.
504
00:18:41,955 --> 00:18:44,722
- Okay. Chances are the person
that Emma's been talking with
505
00:18:44,791 --> 00:18:50,161
this entire time has been
a woman named Tiana [bleep].
506
00:18:50,230 --> 00:18:51,696
Which obviously
explains not meeting up
507
00:18:51,764 --> 00:18:53,965
and not talking on the phone
or FaceTiming.
508
00:18:54,033 --> 00:18:56,834
- But we don't--who is Tiana?
509
00:18:56,903 --> 00:18:58,269
- Right.
- That is the question.
510
00:18:58,338 --> 00:19:01,405
- All right. Let's text Emma.
Hey, Emma.
511
00:19:04,711 --> 00:19:06,711
[chime]
Hey.
512
00:19:06,779 --> 00:19:08,179
- Hey, what's going on?
513
00:19:08,248 --> 00:19:09,847
- We've been on a little bit
of a journey
514
00:19:09,916 --> 00:19:13,351
trying to trace our way
through your wild six months.
515
00:19:13,419 --> 00:19:15,887
- Mm-hmm.
- And we do have some stuff
516
00:19:15,955 --> 00:19:17,989
that we want to discuss.
- Okay.
517
00:19:18,057 --> 00:19:20,191
- So as you had
already discovered,
518
00:19:20,260 --> 00:19:23,895
the number you have for EJ
comes back to this girl.
519
00:19:23,963 --> 00:19:26,130
- Right. Tiana [bleep].
Right.
520
00:19:26,199 --> 00:19:28,966
- So we then
put the number into Cash App,
521
00:19:29,035 --> 00:19:31,335
which we find
often people have,
522
00:19:31,404 --> 00:19:34,372
and it came back to--to
a Tiana [bleep] on Cash App.
523
00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:35,406
- Oh.
- So we looked up
524
00:19:35,475 --> 00:19:37,875
Tiana [bleep] on Instagram
525
00:19:37,944 --> 00:19:40,478
and we did find this.
526
00:19:40,547 --> 00:19:43,114
Now, again,
not a very active profile.
527
00:19:43,183 --> 00:19:44,715
- No.
- But they seem to be
528
00:19:44,784 --> 00:19:48,452
into athletics. Right?
- "Ball is life."
529
00:19:48,521 --> 00:19:51,923
- And there's one photo
of someone posted from 2014,
530
00:19:51,991 --> 00:19:54,659
a girl, presumably her.
531
00:19:54,727 --> 00:19:57,061
- Okay.
532
00:19:57,130 --> 00:19:59,564
- The weird part on
this profile is
533
00:19:59,632 --> 00:20:01,132
when you click
on one of the photos
534
00:20:01,201 --> 00:20:03,267
and you look at the caption...
535
00:20:03,336 --> 00:20:04,902
- Biblical.
- Right.
536
00:20:04,971 --> 00:20:09,273
And you said that EJ has been
sending you biblical verses.
537
00:20:09,342 --> 00:20:10,541
- Yeah.
- Could be completely
538
00:20:10,610 --> 00:20:11,976
unrelated--who knows?
- But you know, look,
539
00:20:12,045 --> 00:20:15,246
since the number comes back
to Tiana and the Cash App,
540
00:20:15,315 --> 00:20:17,615
and this is
the only Tiana [bleep]
541
00:20:17,684 --> 00:20:19,150
on either Facebook
or Instagram
542
00:20:19,219 --> 00:20:21,052
that seems to have like
an actual profile,
543
00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:23,120
right now,
this is the only potential
544
00:20:23,189 --> 00:20:25,590
lead we have
as to who is Tiana.
545
00:20:25,658 --> 00:20:27,058
- Right.
546
00:20:27,126 --> 00:20:28,626
- So we sent some messages
out...
547
00:20:28,695 --> 00:20:30,995
- Mm-hmm.
- To both Jake and Kyle,
548
00:20:31,064 --> 00:20:32,597
the football players.
- Cool.
549
00:20:32,665 --> 00:20:33,998
- We have not heard
back from them.
550
00:20:34,067 --> 00:20:36,400
Also, we spoke to your friend
Tyler who filled us in
551
00:20:36,469 --> 00:20:38,102
a little bit
more of the details,
552
00:20:38,171 --> 00:20:39,670
specifically about the fact
553
00:20:39,739 --> 00:20:42,974
that the person was selling
some of the photos?
554
00:20:43,042 --> 00:20:44,976
- Yeah. Pictures.
555
00:20:45,044 --> 00:20:46,677
[uneasy music]
556
00:20:46,746 --> 00:20:49,847
- If I can ask, how did you
find out about that?
557
00:20:51,484 --> 00:20:54,085
- So I was actually
in New York,
558
00:20:54,153 --> 00:20:58,022
and I was ignoring
EJ, Tiana, whoever.
559
00:20:58,091 --> 00:21:01,759
And he or she texted me
and said
560
00:21:01,828 --> 00:21:04,228
"I'm in
a really sticky situation.
561
00:21:04,297 --> 00:21:07,832
"I made a fake Instagram
and a fake Venmo
562
00:21:07,900 --> 00:21:09,400
"when we first started talking
563
00:21:09,469 --> 00:21:11,936
and I've been selling your
pictures to people online."
564
00:21:12,005 --> 00:21:14,872
So they openly
told me about it.
565
00:21:15,908 --> 00:21:19,277
The following day, they tried
to tell me that it was a joke
566
00:21:19,345 --> 00:21:21,312
and that they did it
just to get my attention.
567
00:21:21,381 --> 00:21:22,813
And I'm like,
mm, see, I don't really
568
00:21:22,882 --> 00:21:24,548
believe that though,
because you went through
569
00:21:24,617 --> 00:21:27,585
the trouble of building
up an Instagram account
570
00:21:27,654 --> 00:21:30,021
then requesting people
that I know.
571
00:21:30,089 --> 00:21:32,423
- How come you never mentioned
that to us?
572
00:21:32,492 --> 00:21:35,026
- I was more or
less embarrassed by it.
573
00:21:35,094 --> 00:21:39,530
And yeah, it was just--
it was really messy and...
574
00:21:39,599 --> 00:21:41,766
- The casual way
that they would
575
00:21:41,834 --> 00:21:43,768
send those pictures
to your friend...
576
00:21:43,836 --> 00:21:47,738
You think you're sharing things
with one particular person,
577
00:21:47,807 --> 00:21:50,374
and then you realize that it's
a completely different person.
578
00:21:50,443 --> 00:21:52,576
- Mm-hmm.
- It just worries me.
579
00:21:52,645 --> 00:21:55,513
- This is like
a complete violation of trust
580
00:21:55,581 --> 00:21:58,149
on so many different levels.
581
00:21:58,217 --> 00:22:01,819
- Has it affected the way that
you're able to trust people?
582
00:22:01,888 --> 00:22:05,022
- Oh, yeah, no, I feel like
I cannot trust anybody now.
583
00:22:05,091 --> 00:22:06,657
I'm not kidding.
584
00:22:06,726 --> 00:22:10,561
- It's very obvious that Tiana
or whoever is behind this
585
00:22:10,630 --> 00:22:15,466
is very deep
in this like, down bad.
586
00:22:15,535 --> 00:22:16,901
- Right.
- Look, we still have messages
587
00:22:16,969 --> 00:22:19,437
out to the players
that had their pics stolen.
588
00:22:19,505 --> 00:22:21,205
Giving them a chance
to get back to us.
589
00:22:21,274 --> 00:22:22,606
Hopefully, we hear from them.
590
00:22:22,675 --> 00:22:25,343
If we don't, then we have to
probably just be prepared
591
00:22:25,411 --> 00:22:29,413
to reach out directly
to "EJ"/Tiana.
592
00:22:29,482 --> 00:22:31,682
- Right.
- But whoever this is
593
00:22:31,751 --> 00:22:34,719
has already distributed
your content, your pictures...
594
00:22:34,787 --> 00:22:36,320
- Right.
- Your name, your info.
595
00:22:36,389 --> 00:22:37,755
- Mm-hmm.
- So fingers crossed
596
00:22:37,824 --> 00:22:39,623
we can have a conversation
that ends
597
00:22:39,692 --> 00:22:42,159
with them understanding
that they need to stop.
598
00:22:42,228 --> 00:22:45,096
- Right. Hopefully,
we'll be able to get something.
599
00:22:45,164 --> 00:22:46,497
We'll see.
- All right, well, look,
600
00:22:46,566 --> 00:22:48,232
let's regroup in the morning.
601
00:22:48,301 --> 00:22:50,000
We'll see if we
have any updates.
602
00:22:50,069 --> 00:22:51,669
- Okay.
603
00:22:51,738 --> 00:22:53,337
- And--and depending on
what we do or don't have then,
604
00:22:53,406 --> 00:22:56,040
we'll make
an informed decision
605
00:22:56,109 --> 00:22:57,875
as to what
the next best move is.
606
00:22:57,944 --> 00:23:00,244
- Okay. Thank you for helping.
607
00:23:00,313 --> 00:23:01,445
It means...
- Sure.
608
00:23:01,514 --> 00:23:03,080
- More than you guys know.
Bye, guys.
609
00:23:03,149 --> 00:23:05,416
- Bye, girl.
I feel bad.
610
00:23:05,485 --> 00:23:07,752
- Yeah. She has to live
with this constant fear
611
00:23:07,820 --> 00:23:09,820
and always looking
over her shoulder.
612
00:23:09,889 --> 00:23:12,223
Anytime she posts something
or gets a new friend request,
613
00:23:12,291 --> 00:23:14,091
it's like, oh God--everything.
614
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:15,459
- Yeah. It's terrorizing.
615
00:23:15,528 --> 00:23:17,495
This person has been
terrorizing her
616
00:23:17,563 --> 00:23:18,829
from every single angle.
617
00:23:18,898 --> 00:23:21,499
And I--I want us to be able
to help her stop it,
618
00:23:21,567 --> 00:23:24,702
but it could be completely
beyond the realm of anything
619
00:23:24,771 --> 00:23:26,871
that we can
possibly do to help her.
620
00:23:30,343 --> 00:23:32,743
- Drizzly day
here in Los Angeles,
621
00:23:32,812 --> 00:23:35,446
which I think
is very appropriate,
622
00:23:35,515 --> 00:23:39,183
considering the cloud that
seems to be hanging over Emma
623
00:23:39,252 --> 00:23:43,654
and this whole situation.
What is this person after?
624
00:23:43,723 --> 00:23:45,556
Fingers crossed,
as we figure it out.
625
00:23:45,625 --> 00:23:49,160
[electronic music]
626
00:23:49,228 --> 00:23:51,562
All right. Let's see if either
of those football players,
627
00:23:51,631 --> 00:23:53,164
Jake or Kyle, got back to us.
628
00:23:53,232 --> 00:23:55,666
Because honestly,
it was all we had left.
629
00:23:55,735 --> 00:23:59,437
Not a single response.
Nothing.
630
00:23:59,505 --> 00:24:01,472
- But maybe Emma's
heard from somebody?
631
00:24:01,541 --> 00:24:02,740
- Possibly.
632
00:24:05,845 --> 00:24:06,877
[chime]
Oh.
633
00:24:06,946 --> 00:24:08,412
- Hey!
- Whoa!
634
00:24:08,481 --> 00:24:10,881
- Hello, good morning!
635
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:13,651
- How have you been?
636
00:24:13,719 --> 00:24:14,919
- Little nervous.
637
00:24:14,987 --> 00:24:18,122
I got a text
last night from EJ.
638
00:24:18,191 --> 00:24:19,557
- Oh God.
639
00:24:19,625 --> 00:24:22,126
- Reaching out to see
if he could have my new number.
640
00:24:22,195 --> 00:24:24,128
'Cause there was something
he had to tell me.
641
00:24:24,197 --> 00:24:25,896
- Well, so we haven't
heard back from either
642
00:24:25,965 --> 00:24:27,631
those football guys,
Kyle and Jake.
643
00:24:27,700 --> 00:24:29,900
- The only thing that we
have right now to go off of
644
00:24:29,969 --> 00:24:32,203
is that message
that you got from EJ.
645
00:24:32,271 --> 00:24:34,305
- Okay.
- Can you show us that message?
646
00:24:34,373 --> 00:24:36,140
- Yeah.
- What does he mean,
647
00:24:36,209 --> 00:24:37,608
can he have
your new phone number?
648
00:24:37,677 --> 00:24:38,943
No. Oh, and you said it.
649
00:24:39,011 --> 00:24:40,177
You said you're not
getting my new number.
650
00:24:40,246 --> 00:24:41,612
- Yeah.
- First she said
651
00:24:41,681 --> 00:24:43,914
"I care about you a lot,
wish we wouldn't fight as much,
652
00:24:43,983 --> 00:24:45,216
and we could just go back
653
00:24:45,284 --> 00:24:48,252
to how we kind of
were at first. I love you."
654
00:24:48,321 --> 00:24:50,187
Had you been saying
"I love you" to him back
655
00:24:50,256 --> 00:24:51,789
when things were kind of good
at the beginning?
656
00:24:51,858 --> 00:24:53,657
- Yeah.
- That's a big deal.
657
00:24:53,726 --> 00:24:54,758
You dropped the L bomb.
658
00:24:54,827 --> 00:24:55,993
- I did.
- That's not nothing.
659
00:24:56,062 --> 00:24:57,761
You know, that's a thing.
- No.
660
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:59,897
- He said, "I'm not gonna blow
your phone up. I promise.
661
00:24:59,966 --> 00:25:01,632
But I need your new number.
662
00:25:01,701 --> 00:25:02,900
There's something
I gotta tell you."
663
00:25:02,969 --> 00:25:04,502
Tell me right here.
- Tell me right here.
664
00:25:05,538 --> 00:25:08,138
- What if she gave our number?
- What--what- Ooh! difference?
665
00:25:08,207 --> 00:25:10,107
- That way we can message
with him on your behalf,
666
00:25:10,176 --> 00:25:11,709
and he still won't have
your real number
667
00:25:11,777 --> 00:25:14,078
in case something goes wrong
and he blows up.
668
00:25:14,146 --> 00:25:16,447
- I love that idea.
- Okay.
669
00:25:16,516 --> 00:25:19,283
- All right.
So let's give him our number,
670
00:25:19,352 --> 00:25:22,253
but put it in a message
that feels authentic.
671
00:25:22,321 --> 00:25:24,355
- "Okay, fine.
I will give it to you.
672
00:25:24,423 --> 00:25:25,623
Don't abuse it."
673
00:25:25,691 --> 00:25:27,791
- The number is 818-[bleep].
674
00:25:27,860 --> 00:25:29,360
Oh boy.
675
00:25:29,428 --> 00:25:30,728
- So let's see.
- Here we go.
676
00:25:30,796 --> 00:25:32,162
- Whoo!
677
00:25:32,231 --> 00:25:33,531
- Is he usually
pretty quick with stuff?
678
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,200
- I mean,?
he used to be really quick.
679
00:25:36,269 --> 00:25:38,469
I'm not kidding,
like on the second.
680
00:25:39,705 --> 00:25:40,571
[chime]
- [gasps]
681
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,439
- Oh--wait. What?
682
00:25:43,509 --> 00:25:47,845
- Okay.
- It's from Elena Fer-Ferri--
683
00:25:47,914 --> 00:25:49,079
- Ferriera?
684
00:25:49,148 --> 00:25:51,315
- Ferriera.
- Ferriera. That's him.
685
00:25:51,384 --> 00:25:52,917
- It says, "I don't feel like
I'd abuse your number.
686
00:25:52,985 --> 00:25:54,852
I just want talk to you."
What is that name?
687
00:25:54,921 --> 00:25:57,154
- Elena is the girl
688
00:25:57,223 --> 00:26:00,391
that catfished
the guy that I was seeing.
689
00:26:00,459 --> 00:26:03,160
- Oh, so that confirms
690
00:26:03,229 --> 00:26:06,130
that that was him.
- Right.
691
00:26:06,198 --> 00:26:10,301
- But how like ballsy and bold
for you as "EJ"
692
00:26:10,369 --> 00:26:13,404
to be messaging from
this Elena Ferriera account
693
00:26:13,472 --> 00:26:15,539
like it's just nothing?
- Crazy.
694
00:26:15,608 --> 00:26:16,874
- He did write something
before that was like,
695
00:26:16,943 --> 00:26:18,776
"I don't wanna fight anymore."
696
00:26:18,844 --> 00:26:21,045
Blah, blah, blah, blah.
So what if we played into that?
697
00:26:21,113 --> 00:26:24,214
- Yeah.
- The old bait and switch.
698
00:26:24,283 --> 00:26:26,784
- Yes.
You could say something like
699
00:26:26,852 --> 00:26:30,854
I've actually been thinking
about how things used to be
700
00:26:30,923 --> 00:26:32,723
and I don't
wanna fight anymore.
701
00:26:32,792 --> 00:26:34,458
I'd like to see you then.
702
00:26:34,527 --> 00:26:36,527
- So let's say, "Would you be
willing to join a Zoom?"
703
00:26:36,596 --> 00:26:37,962
- Yeah.
704
00:26:38,030 --> 00:26:39,964
- Sent.
- All right.
705
00:26:40,032 --> 00:26:42,032
I wonder
if he'll actually do it.
706
00:26:42,101 --> 00:26:45,002
- I feel like you're not
getting your hopes up.
707
00:26:45,071 --> 00:26:47,805
- No. With him, I--
you absolutely cannot.
708
00:26:47,873 --> 00:26:50,107
- Oh, read.
709
00:26:50,176 --> 00:26:51,875
- Ooh, ooh, ooh!
- [whispers] Oh, God,
710
00:26:51,944 --> 00:26:53,043
he's writing, he's writing.
711
00:26:53,112 --> 00:26:55,613
[tense music]
712
00:26:55,681 --> 00:26:58,282
- Why not?
You could always say like,
713
00:26:58,351 --> 00:27:00,351
if I'm being honest with you,
714
00:27:00,419 --> 00:27:02,953
I had to call in
some reinforcements.
715
00:27:03,022 --> 00:27:04,688
I really wanna meet you,
716
00:27:04,757 --> 00:27:08,092
and I felt like this was
the only way to make it happen.
717
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,159
- Okay.
- All right.
718
00:27:09,228 --> 00:27:10,761
Let's just read it once.
Okay.
719
00:27:10,830 --> 00:27:13,497
[Emma reading]
720
00:27:16,202 --> 00:27:17,434
- So I contacted "Catfish"
721
00:27:17,503 --> 00:27:18,969
because they've had
a lot of success
722
00:27:19,038 --> 00:27:20,404
in helping people meet
723
00:27:20,473 --> 00:27:23,140
and feel comfortable,
seen and understood.
724
00:27:23,209 --> 00:27:24,642
- All right. Wow. Sent.
725
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:26,010
- Let's see.
726
00:27:26,078 --> 00:27:28,479
[chime]
- Ooh, ooh, ooh!
727
00:27:28,547 --> 00:27:30,247
- Oh, come on.
728
00:27:30,316 --> 00:27:32,282
- "Now isn't a good time."
When is a good time?
729
00:27:32,351 --> 00:27:33,450
- Right.
730
00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:34,785
- Well, now I think--
- Now, is the only time.
731
00:27:34,854 --> 00:27:36,987
- It's now or never for me.
732
00:27:37,056 --> 00:27:38,589
- Be like, if not,
I mean, just don't--
733
00:27:38,658 --> 00:27:41,458
like, we don't need to be
in contact, take care.
734
00:27:42,828 --> 00:27:44,128
- I mean, I hate to say it,
735
00:27:44,196 --> 00:27:45,863
but I just
don't think they care.
736
00:27:45,931 --> 00:27:48,165
[chime]
Oh. Oh!
737
00:27:48,234 --> 00:27:50,267
- Good job.
- I can't believe that worked.
738
00:27:50,336 --> 00:27:52,670
Copy in my link.
- Oh my goodness.
739
00:27:52,738 --> 00:27:54,371
- Say here.
740
00:27:56,142 --> 00:27:57,141
- Oh!
- Read it.
741
00:27:57,209 --> 00:27:58,442
- [groaning] Ohh...
742
00:27:58,511 --> 00:27:59,543
All right.
743
00:27:59,612 --> 00:28:00,778
- Are you ready?
744
00:28:00,846 --> 00:28:02,846
- We'll see.
745
00:28:02,915 --> 00:28:05,049
- He said he's outside
your house.
746
00:28:05,117 --> 00:28:06,450
- Right.
- And he wasn't there.
747
00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:08,585
So him saying
okay, I'll do it,
748
00:28:08,654 --> 00:28:11,355
is not giving me
a lot of confidence.
749
00:28:11,424 --> 00:28:12,423
- No.
750
00:28:13,426 --> 00:28:15,626
I hate that
it's taking too long.
751
00:28:15,695 --> 00:28:17,261
[chime]
- Oh.
752
00:28:18,731 --> 00:28:20,230
- Are you ready?
- We'll see.
753
00:28:20,299 --> 00:28:22,232
[groaning]
754
00:28:22,301 --> 00:28:23,434
[chime]
- Oh.
755
00:28:23,502 --> 00:28:25,002
- Hey.
756
00:28:27,707 --> 00:28:29,873
- Hello?
- Who is this?
757
00:28:29,942 --> 00:28:31,508
- Uh, this is EJ.
758
00:28:31,577 --> 00:28:33,877
- Thank you for talking
to us here.
759
00:28:33,946 --> 00:28:35,679
Obviously, there's a lot
of questions we have,
760
00:28:35,748 --> 00:28:38,549
but before we sort of
start firing away,
761
00:28:38,617 --> 00:28:40,617
I'd love to just give you
an opportunity
762
00:28:40,686 --> 00:28:41,885
to introduce yourself.
763
00:28:41,954 --> 00:28:45,489
- Oh yeah. Well, my name's EJ,
and I'm 22.
764
00:28:45,558 --> 00:28:46,857
I just wanna start by saying,
765
00:28:46,926 --> 00:28:49,893
I'm sorry for using
somebody else's picture.
766
00:28:49,962 --> 00:28:51,962
- That's like the least
of my concern, though.
767
00:28:52,031 --> 00:28:54,798
You've gone to some
pretty serious extent.
768
00:28:54,867 --> 00:28:56,567
I don't think you
realize how much
769
00:28:56,635 --> 00:28:58,435
it's affected me as a person.
770
00:28:58,504 --> 00:29:02,940
- I think this is just
the first time
771
00:29:03,008 --> 00:29:05,175
I've really cared about
someone.
772
00:29:05,244 --> 00:29:10,714
Before this,
I really never dated anybody.
773
00:29:10,783 --> 00:29:13,884
So I don't know how to react
to like my emotions,
774
00:29:13,953 --> 00:29:16,520
so they kind of just run wild.
775
00:29:16,589 --> 00:29:19,022
- You claim
that you care about me,
776
00:29:19,091 --> 00:29:22,092
but then you have no issues
sending screenshots
777
00:29:22,161 --> 00:29:25,763
of pictures that I sent you,
trusting you,
778
00:29:25,831 --> 00:29:28,832
to someone
that I'm friends with.
779
00:29:28,901 --> 00:29:30,667
How do you tell me
that you care about me,
780
00:29:30,736 --> 00:29:32,069
but then you do things
781
00:29:32,138 --> 00:29:34,037
that show
you have no respect for me?
782
00:29:34,106 --> 00:29:37,775
- Sometimes, I don't think
before I act on stuff.
783
00:29:37,843 --> 00:29:41,311
- Emma, I think you're asking
all the right questions.
784
00:29:41,380 --> 00:29:45,449
I am very curious just to
clear up a few basic questions.
785
00:29:45,518 --> 00:29:46,984
- Go for it.
786
00:29:47,052 --> 00:29:48,585
- EJ, you run
the Instagram account
787
00:29:48,654 --> 00:29:49,987
that Emma's been talking to.
788
00:29:50,055 --> 00:29:52,222
- Yeah.
- And is it just you?
789
00:29:52,291 --> 00:29:54,691
you're the only person that
she's ever communicated with?
790
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,595
- No, I'm not the only person
she's communicated with.
791
00:29:58,664 --> 00:30:00,497
- Okay.
So can you clarify that for us?
792
00:30:00,566 --> 00:30:02,099
- Well, I think
the biggest person
793
00:30:02,168 --> 00:30:05,469
that she's communicated with
is Jake,
794
00:30:05,538 --> 00:30:07,137
the actual guy in the pictures.
795
00:30:07,206 --> 00:30:10,107
He would use the Instagram
to cheat on his girlfriend
796
00:30:10,176 --> 00:30:12,543
so he wouldn't have it
traced back to him.
797
00:30:12,611 --> 00:30:15,813
- But the picture on your
Instagram was of Jake.
798
00:30:15,881 --> 00:30:18,115
So that's not a very good
disguise account.
799
00:30:18,184 --> 00:30:19,850
That doesn't seem like
it makes sense.
800
00:30:19,919 --> 00:30:22,386
If you're trying to sneakily
talk to women as someone else,
801
00:30:22,454 --> 00:30:24,822
why would you have an account
with your picture on it?
802
00:30:24,890 --> 00:30:27,524
- Well, his girlfriend
is blocked on the page, so--
803
00:30:27,593 --> 00:30:30,160
- That doesn't really
make sense.
804
00:30:30,229 --> 00:30:31,528
Here's where
it gets really confusing.
805
00:30:31,597 --> 00:30:33,964
You say you have
real feelings for Emma.
806
00:30:34,033 --> 00:30:35,799
Why on earth would you be okay
807
00:30:35,868 --> 00:30:38,502
with Jake talking to Emma,
the girl you like?
808
00:30:38,571 --> 00:30:40,971
- He only talked to her
a couple of times.
809
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,406
- But you just said
a second ago
810
00:30:42,474 --> 00:30:45,609
that the biggest person
Emma had talked to was Jake.
811
00:30:45,678 --> 00:30:47,811
- Well, in the--in the--
in the very beginning,
812
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,381
before I actually
caught feelings for her.
813
00:30:51,450 --> 00:30:55,018
- And then Kyle
stole whose phone?
814
00:30:55,087 --> 00:30:57,387
- My phone.
He started texting Emma.
815
00:30:57,456 --> 00:30:59,523
I didn't know about it,
and he did some pretty,
816
00:30:59,592 --> 00:31:00,991
you know, [bleep, bleep].
817
00:31:01,060 --> 00:31:04,394
- Why are you taking
all the heat for this then?
818
00:31:04,463 --> 00:31:06,763
- Yeah, where's Kyle
and where's Jake?
819
00:31:06,832 --> 00:31:08,398
- Just because
they played football,
820
00:31:08,467 --> 00:31:10,968
they didn't wanna be involved
or be embarrassed.
821
00:31:11,036 --> 00:31:12,769
- How do you explain
the Cameo?
822
00:31:12,838 --> 00:31:14,304
If you know Jake,
823
00:31:14,373 --> 00:31:15,672
then wouldn't you just
text Jake and be like,
824
00:31:15,741 --> 00:31:17,608
"Yo bro,
can you send me this video
825
00:31:17,676 --> 00:31:19,943
for this girl I'm talking to?"
He's your boy.
826
00:31:20,012 --> 00:31:21,778
So you would just hit him up
and ask him.
827
00:31:21,847 --> 00:31:24,047
- Yeah, but he wouldn't
do that.
828
00:31:24,116 --> 00:31:28,085
- It just doesn't make
any sense.
829
00:31:28,153 --> 00:31:30,120
So I'm gonna give you
an opportunity
830
00:31:30,189 --> 00:31:32,522
to just try that again,
831
00:31:32,591 --> 00:31:35,058
because Emma doesn't want to
have talked to the real Jake.
832
00:31:35,127 --> 00:31:36,393
That's weird.
833
00:31:36,462 --> 00:31:40,330
Also, it involves Jake and I
don't want people to think
834
00:31:40,399 --> 00:31:42,466
that he's some sort of weird...
- Scumbag.
835
00:31:42,534 --> 00:31:46,837
- Sleaze who's using Finsta
accounts to talk to girls.
836
00:31:46,906 --> 00:31:50,140
It's not fair to Jake
if that's not true.
837
00:31:50,209 --> 00:31:53,577
So are you sure Jake
used your Instagram account
838
00:31:53,646 --> 00:31:54,978
to talk to girls,
or is that the story
839
00:31:55,047 --> 00:31:57,547
that you had made up
and you're sticking to it?
840
00:31:57,616 --> 00:32:00,083
- No, that's 100% the truth.
841
00:32:03,022 --> 00:32:04,321
- Why don't we get into
842
00:32:04,390 --> 00:32:07,824
what happened
with you reaching out to Tyler?
843
00:32:07,893 --> 00:32:10,260
- And telling him
that I was dead.
844
00:32:10,329 --> 00:32:11,762
- What was that about?
845
00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:13,897
- I don't really know.
846
00:32:13,966 --> 00:32:14,998
I don't really have
an answer for that.
847
00:32:15,067 --> 00:32:17,801
I mean, acting out of anger.
848
00:32:17,870 --> 00:32:19,536
- Why were you so angry?
849
00:32:19,605 --> 00:32:24,441
- Just because I knew that we
weren't getting back together,
850
00:32:24,510 --> 00:32:28,879
so I was hurt and I was
just acting off my emotions.
851
00:32:28,948 --> 00:32:33,684
- So why don't we explain
how Tyler came into possession
852
00:32:33,752 --> 00:32:35,452
of her nudes that you sent him?
853
00:32:35,521 --> 00:32:36,954
Why don't we talk
about that part?
854
00:32:37,022 --> 00:32:39,389
- I don't know, I just--
855
00:32:39,458 --> 00:32:41,692
I was sending them to her
friends, so I just felt like
856
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,927
it wouldn't matter
'cause she wouldn't care.
857
00:32:43,996 --> 00:32:46,830
- She wouldn't care
if her friend had access
858
00:32:46,899 --> 00:32:48,532
to nude photos of her?
859
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,101
Would you care if your nudes
were sent about to your friends
860
00:32:51,170 --> 00:32:53,337
or if someone was selling them?
861
00:32:53,405 --> 00:32:55,605
- I never sold a nude.
862
00:32:55,674 --> 00:32:58,742
- So you were not behind the
fake Emma profile that was...
863
00:32:58,811 --> 00:33:00,444
- He was.
- Advertising nude photos
864
00:33:00,512 --> 00:33:02,212
of her for sale?
865
00:33:02,281 --> 00:33:05,082
- No.
- Then why would you tell her
866
00:33:05,150 --> 00:33:07,050
that you were selling
her pictures online?
867
00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:09,086
- Just because she wasn't
talking to me
868
00:33:09,154 --> 00:33:12,155
so I just did it
just to get her attention.
869
00:33:12,224 --> 00:33:16,626
- That doesn't even begin
to touch on the whole Elena...
870
00:33:16,695 --> 00:33:18,161
- Right. Yeah.
- Thing.
871
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:22,165
Which is another account
that you made to talk to
872
00:33:22,234 --> 00:33:25,068
and flirt with the guy
that Emma was actually dating.
873
00:33:25,137 --> 00:33:28,238
- No.
- You're not behind Elena?
874
00:33:28,307 --> 00:33:31,408
- No, I don't know.
- Dude, listen.
875
00:33:31,477 --> 00:33:34,311
The number that
Emma gave you is our phone,
876
00:33:34,380 --> 00:33:40,050
and when you texted, it came
from elenaferriera@[bleep].com.
877
00:33:41,086 --> 00:33:44,087
Why are your text messages
coming from Elena Ferriera?
878
00:33:45,758 --> 00:33:48,291
- I can't explain.
879
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,827
- Well, there's a technical
explanation,
880
00:33:50,896 --> 00:33:54,564
which is that you are
signed in via that email.
881
00:33:54,633 --> 00:33:57,701
I'm not faking it.
That's how you contacted us.
882
00:33:57,770 --> 00:34:01,471
[tense music]
883
00:34:01,540 --> 00:34:04,775
- I--I just--
884
00:34:06,812 --> 00:34:09,646
- Look, EJ, this is awkward
for all of us,
885
00:34:09,715 --> 00:34:11,748
and props to you for even...
886
00:34:11,817 --> 00:34:13,550
- Coming forward.
- Coming on here.
887
00:34:13,619 --> 00:34:16,620
You've made some decisions
that I think you regret.
888
00:34:16,688 --> 00:34:19,189
You've told a lot of lies
and you know,
889
00:34:19,258 --> 00:34:22,292
it's uncomfortable
to--to sort of own up to that.
890
00:34:22,361 --> 00:34:24,294
But I think what you need
to understand is that
891
00:34:24,363 --> 00:34:27,397
we don't necessarily need you
to clear this up for us.
892
00:34:27,466 --> 00:34:28,965
We know the truth.
893
00:34:29,034 --> 00:34:32,369
We're giving you an opportunity
for your own sake,
894
00:34:32,438 --> 00:34:35,472
so that you can feel better
to say it for yourself.
895
00:34:35,541 --> 00:34:37,574
And so that Emma
can hear you say it,
896
00:34:37,643 --> 00:34:40,911
and we can see if there's a way
to move past the negativity
897
00:34:40,979 --> 00:34:42,846
and find some positive outcome.
898
00:34:44,249 --> 00:34:47,584
- Emma just wants the truth,
and she deserves the truth.
899
00:34:47,653 --> 00:34:50,320
- It's time to stop
[bleep] us,
900
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:54,858
stop [bleep] yourself,
and just be real.
901
00:34:54,927 --> 00:34:56,927
[intense music]
902
00:34:58,764 --> 00:35:01,098
- Stop [bleep] us,
stop [bleep] yourself,
903
00:35:01,166 --> 00:35:02,632
and just be real.
904
00:35:02,701 --> 00:35:05,135
- Are you ready
to tell the truth?
905
00:35:06,371 --> 00:35:07,671
- Yeah.
906
00:35:07,739 --> 00:35:10,006
- Okay.
Let's start from the beginning
907
00:35:10,075 --> 00:35:12,709
and just give us the truth,
and just lay it out.
908
00:35:12,778 --> 00:35:14,711
- How many profiles
are out there?
909
00:35:14,780 --> 00:35:19,749
- Right now
I only have maybe three.
910
00:35:19,818 --> 00:35:21,485
Maybe three. Yeah.
911
00:35:21,553 --> 00:35:22,953
- So Elena is you?
912
00:35:23,021 --> 00:35:25,188
- Yeah.
- Yes.
913
00:35:25,257 --> 00:35:27,624
- Right.
- Okay.
914
00:35:27,693 --> 00:35:30,160
- The fake Emma profile is you?
915
00:35:30,229 --> 00:35:31,728
- Yeah.
916
00:35:31,797 --> 00:35:33,897
- And then obviously
the profile with Jake's picture
917
00:35:33,966 --> 00:35:35,932
was also you the whole time?
918
00:35:36,001 --> 00:35:37,033
- Yeah.
919
00:35:39,104 --> 00:35:42,205
- Why does your phone number
come back to a Tiana [bleep]?
920
00:35:42,274 --> 00:35:43,840
- Oh, because
it's my dead name.
921
00:35:48,647 --> 00:35:49,946
- Mm-hmm.
922
00:35:51,950 --> 00:35:52,883
- Mm-mm.
923
00:35:54,219 --> 00:35:58,455
So not a fiancé?
You've never been engaged?
924
00:35:58,524 --> 00:36:00,724
- No.
- Being that that is
925
00:36:00,792 --> 00:36:02,559
your dead name,
we will not be using it again.
926
00:36:02,628 --> 00:36:05,295
Why not tell Emma that
927
00:36:05,364 --> 00:36:08,832
when she asked you
about the phone results?
928
00:36:08,901 --> 00:36:14,804
- Just being scared to just be
honest and be myself.
929
00:36:14,873 --> 00:36:17,641
- Disclosure is a very
difficult thing to do.
930
00:36:17,709 --> 00:36:20,043
That is a very
understandable thing.
931
00:36:20,112 --> 00:36:24,748
But your behavior is not.
It is pretty appalling
932
00:36:24,816 --> 00:36:27,751
the things
that you have put Emma through.
933
00:36:27,819 --> 00:36:30,453
In your quest of
being close to her,
934
00:36:30,522 --> 00:36:32,956
you were trying to
force Emma's hand
935
00:36:33,025 --> 00:36:35,992
the way that you were
sending her nudes out.
936
00:36:36,061 --> 00:36:38,295
You're upset, so you send
somebody's pictures out?
937
00:36:38,363 --> 00:36:40,830
You don't have the right
to do something like that,
938
00:36:40,899 --> 00:36:43,099
because I'm sure you wouldn't
want that done to you.
939
00:36:43,168 --> 00:36:47,304
It is difficult to understand
how someone who has decided
940
00:36:47,372 --> 00:36:50,006
to live an authentic life
941
00:36:50,075 --> 00:36:54,177
is leading such an inauthentic
life on the side,
942
00:36:54,246 --> 00:36:58,348
doing all of this.
Like, come on.
943
00:36:58,417 --> 00:37:01,318
- I think obviously
I have anger issues.
944
00:37:01,386 --> 00:37:04,487
So for me,
like when I do certain things,
945
00:37:04,556 --> 00:37:07,424
I don't even know that
I'm doing them in the moment.
946
00:37:07,492 --> 00:37:10,327
'Cause I'll do it, and then
it'll be brought back up to me
947
00:37:10,395 --> 00:37:11,528
and I'm like,
"No, I didn't do that."
948
00:37:11,597 --> 00:37:13,797
But I actually did do it.
949
00:37:13,865 --> 00:37:15,332
I sort of just,
I don't know, black out
950
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,500
I guess you could say,
951
00:37:17,569 --> 00:37:19,202
- But what brings
that anger on?
952
00:37:19,271 --> 00:37:21,137
Was it something
about Emma specifically?
953
00:37:21,206 --> 00:37:23,240
- Yeah. Did I do something?
- No. No.
954
00:37:23,308 --> 00:37:27,711
Like I was just in
too deep, like emotionally.
955
00:37:27,779 --> 00:37:31,581
I think there was just like
abandonment issues.
956
00:37:31,650 --> 00:37:35,452
From like childhood
to like now,
957
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,522
I don't really understand
like how to handle people
958
00:37:39,591 --> 00:37:42,025
just--just leaving, I guess.
959
00:37:42,094 --> 00:37:44,861
- So you think the times
when Emma may have threatened
960
00:37:44,930 --> 00:37:47,297
to stop talking to you
that could have triggered
961
00:37:47,366 --> 00:37:50,600
sort of that anger
or fear of abandonment
962
00:37:50,669 --> 00:37:52,302
and--and then caused you
963
00:37:52,371 --> 00:37:55,071
to retaliate
with harsh words or threats?
964
00:37:55,140 --> 00:37:56,406
- Yeah.
965
00:37:56,475 --> 00:37:58,341
- Who do you have
to talk to about that?
966
00:37:58,410 --> 00:38:02,145
- Right now, I don't talk
to anybody about this stuff.
967
00:38:02,214 --> 00:38:05,015
- Well, I think that it's gonna
be vital for you.
968
00:38:05,083 --> 00:38:07,083
It will help you avoid
969
00:38:07,152 --> 00:38:08,918
situations like this
in the future.
970
00:38:08,987 --> 00:38:12,255
So before you can have
any relationships with anyone,
971
00:38:12,324 --> 00:38:16,993
and before you can truly live
in authentic life
972
00:38:17,062 --> 00:38:19,729
you gotta start talking
to somebody professionally
973
00:38:19,798 --> 00:38:21,898
about the things that
you're feeling on the inside.
974
00:38:21,967 --> 00:38:26,903
Until you unlock some of
what's going on in here,
975
00:38:26,972 --> 00:38:29,239
it's gonna fester in your life
976
00:38:29,308 --> 00:38:33,043
and you're never gonna be
able to just live freely.
977
00:38:33,111 --> 00:38:35,345
- I agree.
- Okay.
978
00:38:35,414 --> 00:38:39,149
- You're not alone, and you
deserve to find somebody
979
00:38:39,217 --> 00:38:41,384
who accepts you
and loves you for you.
980
00:38:41,453 --> 00:38:43,019
That's what we want for you.
981
00:38:43,088 --> 00:38:45,288
But it's not gonna be
with Emma.
982
00:38:45,357 --> 00:38:48,625
You are going to have
to let her go.
983
00:38:48,694 --> 00:38:50,593
You are not to text her,
hound her,
984
00:38:50,662 --> 00:38:52,429
text anybody in her life.
985
00:38:52,497 --> 00:38:55,932
Send pictures of her to
anyone--that is inappropriate.
986
00:38:56,001 --> 00:38:59,736
It's out of [bleep] line.
You can't do that anymore.
987
00:38:59,805 --> 00:39:00,904
- I just think at this point
988
00:39:00,972 --> 00:39:03,073
there's been
too much damage done
989
00:39:03,141 --> 00:39:06,776
where I--I can't really
offer you anything anymore.
990
00:39:08,046 --> 00:39:10,213
I can't be in contact with you.
991
00:39:12,584 --> 00:39:14,284
- That's understandable.
992
00:39:14,353 --> 00:39:16,152
- It would be in
everyone's best interest
993
00:39:16,221 --> 00:39:20,123
if you close any existing
profiles that you've created.
994
00:39:20,192 --> 00:39:22,125
- And deleting
the photos of Emma.
995
00:39:22,194 --> 00:39:23,626
- Please.
996
00:39:23,695 --> 00:39:25,195
- Got it.
997
00:39:25,263 --> 00:39:27,430
- Thank you for coming forward
and being honest,
998
00:39:27,499 --> 00:39:32,569
and explaining things to me.
It definitely has helped a lot.
999
00:39:32,637 --> 00:39:35,038
I don't think you're necessary
a bad person.
1000
00:39:35,107 --> 00:39:37,574
I just think
you made bad decisions.
1001
00:39:37,642 --> 00:39:39,376
- Thanks.
1002
00:39:39,444 --> 00:39:41,845
- All right, EJ.
- I wish you the best.
1003
00:39:41,913 --> 00:39:43,146
- Good luck.
- Take care.
1004
00:39:43,215 --> 00:39:45,415
- Thanks again.
- Bye.
1005
00:39:45,484 --> 00:39:48,151
- Oh man.
1006
00:39:48,220 --> 00:39:51,187
- It doesn't feel like it ended
on a positive note,
1007
00:39:51,256 --> 00:39:53,790
but it does feel like it ended.
1008
00:39:53,859 --> 00:39:55,125
- No, I was going to say
1009
00:39:55,193 --> 00:39:56,860
it definitely feels
like it's ended
1010
00:39:56,928 --> 00:39:58,428
- And now, hopefully,
1011
00:39:58,497 --> 00:40:02,766
you can move forward and
meet people in your real life.
1012
00:40:02,834 --> 00:40:06,870
- I appreciate all the help
that you guys provided me with.
1013
00:40:06,938 --> 00:40:08,204
- Got your back, girl.
1014
00:40:08,273 --> 00:40:09,639
- Good luck with everything.
1015
00:40:09,708 --> 00:40:11,808
- Thank you, guys.
1016
00:40:11,877 --> 00:40:13,710
- See ya.
- Bye.
1017
00:40:13,779 --> 00:40:16,312
- ♪ I been up late
thinkin' 'bout you, girl ♪
1018
00:40:16,381 --> 00:40:18,481
♪ Thinkin' 'bout you, girl,
thinkin' 'bout you, girl ♪
1019
00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:21,050
♪ I can't stay here knowin'
that it's true 'cause ♪
1020
00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:23,553
♪ I know I know I know ♪
1021
00:40:23,622 --> 00:40:24,888
♪ We can't go back ♪
1022
00:40:24,956 --> 00:40:26,556
♪ ♪
1023
00:40:26,625 --> 00:40:29,759
♪ For we both, we both,
we both deserve the best ♪
1024
00:40:29,828 --> 00:40:31,194
♪ ♪
1025
00:40:31,263 --> 00:40:32,629
♪ I wish you well ♪
1026
00:40:48,447 --> 00:40:49,345
- We got Gabby. She gets
this message from Kendrick.
1027
00:40:49,414 --> 00:40:50,880
They get closer and closer.
1028
00:40:50,949 --> 00:40:52,515
- He talked about,
"Oh, I wanna be with you."
1029
00:40:52,584 --> 00:40:56,986
But he got shot, and he died.
It definitely hit me hard.
1030
00:40:57,055 --> 00:40:58,588
- That's him right there!
- What?
1031
00:40:58,657 --> 00:40:59,823
- Can I have a moment?
1032
00:40:59,891 --> 00:41:01,825
- It's like a real life
spamming mail.
1033
00:41:01,893 --> 00:41:03,893
[doorbell sound]
- Someone here?
1034
00:41:03,962 --> 00:41:06,196
Oh, hello?