1 00:00:01,669 --> 00:00:04,503 He claims that he's part of this group of college athletes 2 00:00:04,572 --> 00:00:07,239 that were sharing this fake social media. 3 00:00:07,308 --> 00:00:08,674 - He would text me 4 00:00:08,743 --> 00:00:10,376 from multiple different phone numbers. 5 00:00:10,444 --> 00:00:12,011 It's out of control at this point. 6 00:00:12,079 --> 00:00:14,246 - I got a Instagram message from EJ. 7 00:00:14,315 --> 00:00:17,750 He sent me multiple pictures of Emma naked. 8 00:00:19,020 --> 00:00:21,220 - Is there something he seems to want? 9 00:00:21,288 --> 00:00:22,621 [escalating music] 10 00:00:22,690 --> 00:00:23,655 - To be with me. 11 00:00:23,724 --> 00:00:26,225 [dramatic musical sting] 12 00:00:26,293 --> 00:00:29,395 - All right. There she is. Back from London. 13 00:00:29,463 --> 00:00:31,363 - I can't believe I'm seeing you. 14 00:00:31,432 --> 00:00:33,165 - Wow, really? - Yeah. Oh. 15 00:00:33,234 --> 00:00:34,466 - I got hugs. 16 00:00:34,535 --> 00:00:36,402 Oh, you got the new flag, huh? 17 00:00:36,470 --> 00:00:37,970 - Yeah. I've changed. 18 00:00:38,039 --> 00:00:39,104 [British accent] I've changed, babe. 19 00:00:39,173 --> 00:00:40,572 - Tell me about "Catfish UK." 20 00:00:42,043 --> 00:00:44,576 - Hey. - Hey! 21 00:00:44,645 --> 00:00:46,812 - I mean, that is-- that's the shot. 22 00:00:46,881 --> 00:00:48,213 - [British accent] Oh, look, some tea. 23 00:00:48,282 --> 00:00:49,982 So perfect. Thank you. 24 00:00:50,051 --> 00:00:51,417 - That's actually really good. 25 00:00:51,485 --> 00:00:53,118 - I've switched sides. - Yeah. 26 00:00:53,187 --> 00:00:54,920 - The British are coming. 27 00:00:54,989 --> 00:00:56,989 - Lady Kamie, your throne. 28 00:00:57,058 --> 00:00:59,191 - [laughing] 29 00:00:59,260 --> 00:01:00,259 - Anyway, let's get to work. 30 00:01:00,327 --> 00:01:02,461 Enough chit-chat. We've got emails. 31 00:01:02,530 --> 00:01:05,697 Here's one. "He's already confessed too much. 32 00:01:05,766 --> 00:01:09,168 Hey, Nev and Kamie, my name is Emma." 33 00:01:09,236 --> 00:01:11,937 I'm a 24-year-old speech pathologist 34 00:01:12,006 --> 00:01:13,572 from Kenilworth, New Jersey. 35 00:01:13,641 --> 00:01:16,208 I've been involved with someone named EJ 36 00:01:16,277 --> 00:01:18,177 for the past six months, 37 00:01:18,245 --> 00:01:22,514 but my question is how many people have I been talking to? 38 00:01:22,583 --> 00:01:25,818 - Mmm... - I met EJ on social media, 39 00:01:25,886 --> 00:01:29,121 and I instantly thought, "That's my future husband." 40 00:01:30,091 --> 00:01:31,423 He's cute, and at the time, 41 00:01:31,492 --> 00:01:34,293 played football for the University of [bleep]. 42 00:01:34,361 --> 00:01:36,061 He's very caring and thoughtful 43 00:01:36,130 --> 00:01:37,896 and always checks on me. 44 00:01:40,134 --> 00:01:41,433 I recently went through 45 00:01:41,502 --> 00:01:44,002 a total health and fitness transformation 46 00:01:44,071 --> 00:01:46,171 and lost over 100 pounds. 47 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:47,906 - Wow. - So meeting EJ after that 48 00:01:47,975 --> 00:01:49,108 felt magical. 49 00:01:49,176 --> 00:01:51,043 Everything was going great 50 00:01:51,112 --> 00:01:53,345 until EJ started acting in weird ways 51 00:01:53,414 --> 00:01:57,516 and confessing some pretty crazy stuff. 52 00:01:57,585 --> 00:02:00,853 First, EJ told me he would come see me in New Jersey, 53 00:02:00,921 --> 00:02:02,821 but then he stood me up at the last minute. 54 00:02:02,890 --> 00:02:04,556 I was heartbroken. 55 00:02:04,625 --> 00:02:06,258 And when he finally got back in touch, 56 00:02:06,327 --> 00:02:09,795 he told me that his friend Kyle had stolen his phone, 57 00:02:09,864 --> 00:02:12,865 and I was actually talking to Kyle for that time. 58 00:02:12,933 --> 00:02:14,500 ♪ ♪ 59 00:02:14,568 --> 00:02:17,402 And then EJ comes out with a new confession. 60 00:02:17,471 --> 00:02:19,304 Turns out, from the start, 61 00:02:19,373 --> 00:02:21,974 I was talking to EJ's shady friend Jake. 62 00:02:22,042 --> 00:02:24,409 What? 63 00:02:24,478 --> 00:02:26,345 At that point I was done. 64 00:02:26,413 --> 00:02:28,313 I blocked EJ on everything, 65 00:02:28,382 --> 00:02:29,948 but he wouldn't stay gone. 66 00:02:30,017 --> 00:02:32,718 I tried to move on and date someone new, 67 00:02:32,786 --> 00:02:34,920 but EJ started DMing that person 68 00:02:34,989 --> 00:02:37,723 and probably ruined my chances with him too. 69 00:02:37,791 --> 00:02:40,092 This is getting stalker level. 70 00:02:40,161 --> 00:02:42,094 Now I'm just freaked out. 71 00:02:42,163 --> 00:02:43,695 He has my home address, 72 00:02:43,764 --> 00:02:46,064 and I've sent him really provocative photos. 73 00:02:46,133 --> 00:02:48,534 - ♪ Is it fact or fiction? ♪ 74 00:02:48,602 --> 00:02:50,435 - Please, help me unravel this mess, 75 00:02:50,504 --> 00:02:53,906 and help me find some answers. 76 00:02:58,212 --> 00:03:00,179 - Emma. - Whoa. 77 00:03:00,247 --> 00:03:03,448 Let's text Emma. We definitely need to find more about this. 78 00:03:03,517 --> 00:03:07,085 - Hello, Emma. It's Nev and Kamie. 79 00:03:07,154 --> 00:03:10,389 I mean, Steve and Sammy. 80 00:03:10,457 --> 00:03:12,791 [laughing] 81 00:03:12,860 --> 00:03:15,627 Hopefully, she gets the joke. Oh, she gave it a haha. 82 00:03:15,696 --> 00:03:19,198 I need some help understanding this crazy story. 83 00:03:19,266 --> 00:03:20,532 - Do we even know if it's a guy? 84 00:03:20,601 --> 00:03:21,833 - It's a very... - Has she talked to him 85 00:03:21,902 --> 00:03:23,135 on the phone? - Strange person. 86 00:03:23,204 --> 00:03:24,203 [chime] - Oh, hey. 87 00:03:24,271 --> 00:03:26,271 - Hey. - Hey. 88 00:03:26,340 --> 00:03:28,440 - Welcome. - Oh, Emma. 89 00:03:28,509 --> 00:03:29,975 Hello, hello. 90 00:03:30,044 --> 00:03:31,410 How are things in New Jersey? 91 00:03:31,478 --> 00:03:32,611 - A little cold, but you know, 92 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:34,613 other than that, everything's been cool. 93 00:03:34,682 --> 00:03:36,782 - Well, we want to hear your story. 94 00:03:36,850 --> 00:03:41,253 'Cause you mentioned in the email that meeting EJ... 95 00:03:41,322 --> 00:03:43,021 - Mm-hmm. - Came right after this 96 00:03:43,090 --> 00:03:45,591 health and fitness and wellness journey. 97 00:03:45,659 --> 00:03:48,293 - So as of a year and a half ago, 98 00:03:48,362 --> 00:03:50,028 I started to work out avidly, 99 00:03:50,097 --> 00:03:51,897 just kind of changed my whole lifestyle 100 00:03:51,966 --> 00:03:53,332 'cause I wasn't happy with how I looked, 101 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,767 and I'm down just about 100 pounds. 102 00:03:55,836 --> 00:03:57,603 It's crazy. - That is crazy. 103 00:03:57,671 --> 00:03:58,971 - Wow. - I look at myself sometimes. 104 00:03:59,039 --> 00:04:00,472 I don't even recognize myself. 105 00:04:00,541 --> 00:04:03,709 So talking to someone after this whole transition 106 00:04:03,777 --> 00:04:06,111 was kind of a big thing, you know? 107 00:04:06,180 --> 00:04:07,312 - Right. - Yeah. 108 00:04:07,381 --> 00:04:08,680 - So back in April, 109 00:04:08,749 --> 00:04:10,282 he followed me on Instagram. 110 00:04:10,351 --> 00:04:11,750 I was like, "Wow, he's really cute." 111 00:04:11,819 --> 00:04:15,220 I'll slide in the DMs. So I messaged him, 112 00:04:15,289 --> 00:04:17,756 and within a day or two, I gave him my phone number. 113 00:04:17,825 --> 00:04:19,591 He started texting. He kind of came in 114 00:04:19,660 --> 00:04:22,661 at a point where I needed someone like him. 115 00:04:22,730 --> 00:04:24,763 Just like a really good caring person, 116 00:04:24,832 --> 00:04:26,765 someone who was willing to listen. 117 00:04:26,834 --> 00:04:29,268 And he would always remember little things that I told him. 118 00:04:29,336 --> 00:04:30,902 I'm like, I'm a sucker. 119 00:04:30,971 --> 00:04:32,537 If you could remember the little things I'm like, 120 00:04:32,606 --> 00:04:35,140 "Oh, you pay attention." It was awesome. 121 00:04:35,209 --> 00:04:36,708 - Okay. And his Instagram 122 00:04:36,777 --> 00:04:40,178 to you looked fully legit and like a real person? 123 00:04:40,247 --> 00:04:41,513 - Oh, yeah. 124 00:04:41,582 --> 00:04:43,982 He had verified athletes commenting on his posts. 125 00:04:44,051 --> 00:04:45,350 - Whoa. Really? 126 00:04:45,419 --> 00:04:46,518 - Oh, he--'cause he played football? 127 00:04:46,587 --> 00:04:48,287 - Yeah. So he claimed. 128 00:04:48,355 --> 00:04:49,621 - What was his position? 129 00:04:49,690 --> 00:04:51,823 - He claimed quarterback. - Classic. 130 00:04:51,892 --> 00:04:54,693 - He could have said safety or something more believable. 131 00:04:54,762 --> 00:04:56,561 - Right? But at that point, 132 00:04:56,630 --> 00:04:58,697 I didn't really think twice about it. 133 00:04:58,766 --> 00:05:01,700 - And are you guys just texting or talking on the phone? 134 00:05:01,769 --> 00:05:04,102 - So I'd be like, "Oh, can you FaceTime me?" 135 00:05:04,171 --> 00:05:05,504 He'd be like, "Yeah, I'm in my practice. 136 00:05:05,572 --> 00:05:06,805 As soon as I'm done with practice." 137 00:05:06,874 --> 00:05:09,574 - Practice. Practice is the new "in the studio." 138 00:05:09,643 --> 00:05:11,977 - Yeah. "I got practice." It's so easy. 139 00:05:12,046 --> 00:05:15,881 - Right. And he would always make it a point to FaceTime me 140 00:05:15,949 --> 00:05:19,251 or call me whenever I was asleep. 141 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:20,686 - Oh my G-- 142 00:05:21,655 --> 00:05:22,954 - Isn't that insane? 143 00:05:23,023 --> 00:05:25,257 - So you have not spoken to him on the phone? 144 00:05:25,326 --> 00:05:27,426 - No. Never. 145 00:05:27,494 --> 00:05:29,528 - Okay. So why don't you just take us 146 00:05:29,596 --> 00:05:32,230 down the timeline of the foolishness? 147 00:05:32,299 --> 00:05:33,899 Because there's been a lot. 148 00:05:33,967 --> 00:05:37,002 - Let's fast forward now to June. 149 00:05:37,071 --> 00:05:39,604 He tells me he can come see me. 150 00:05:39,673 --> 00:05:41,540 So he buys his airfare. 151 00:05:41,608 --> 00:05:43,108 He's texting "I'm on my flight." 152 00:05:43,177 --> 00:05:45,744 And then he's like, "Okay, tomorrow be ready. 153 00:05:45,813 --> 00:05:47,579 I have something special planned for us." 154 00:05:47,648 --> 00:05:50,549 I'm like, "Oh, okay, cool." 1:00 rolls around, 155 00:05:50,617 --> 00:05:52,184 and he tells me he's outside my house. 156 00:05:52,252 --> 00:05:55,420 So I'm outside on the street and I'm like, "Where are you? 157 00:05:55,489 --> 00:05:58,090 You're not here. I'm not doing this." 158 00:05:58,158 --> 00:06:00,592 So at this point, I'm done and I cut him off, 159 00:06:00,661 --> 00:06:02,494 but this is where it gets kind of nutty. 160 00:06:02,563 --> 00:06:03,862 After a week and a half, 161 00:06:03,931 --> 00:06:06,798 he claims that his phone got stolen by a kid 162 00:06:06,867 --> 00:06:08,633 who is on the football team. 163 00:06:08,702 --> 00:06:10,302 So EJ was like, "I haven't been talking to you 164 00:06:10,371 --> 00:06:11,436 for a week and a half." 165 00:06:11,505 --> 00:06:14,439 And he sends me a long screenshot 166 00:06:14,508 --> 00:06:16,641 of a message from this kid Kyle. 167 00:06:16,710 --> 00:06:18,477 And he's like, "Hey man, I messed up. 168 00:06:18,545 --> 00:06:19,911 I've been talking to the girl 169 00:06:19,980 --> 00:06:22,347 and I made it seem like I was in New Jersey." 170 00:06:22,416 --> 00:06:24,683 It was a really long message that was sent. 171 00:06:24,752 --> 00:06:26,251 And I was like, "Wow. Okay, 172 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,787 maybe that's actually kind of believable." 173 00:06:28,856 --> 00:06:31,656 - No. No. No one would leave their phone 174 00:06:31,725 --> 00:06:33,625 for a week and a half-- it just doesn't happen. 175 00:06:33,694 --> 00:06:35,327 - Right. At this point something's 176 00:06:35,396 --> 00:06:37,129 like not sitting right with me. 177 00:06:37,197 --> 00:06:38,897 So I reverse searched his phone number 178 00:06:38,966 --> 00:06:41,299 and it's registered to a Tiana [bleep]. 179 00:06:41,368 --> 00:06:42,901 - Whoa. - Good work. 180 00:06:42,970 --> 00:06:44,503 - Right? - So what did he say? 181 00:06:44,571 --> 00:06:46,772 - He then proceeded to tell me he actually had a fiancée, 182 00:06:46,840 --> 00:06:49,307 and his fiancée's name was Tiana [bleep]. 183 00:06:49,376 --> 00:06:52,110 - Oh my God! 184 00:06:52,179 --> 00:06:54,713 - Finally, after days of arguing with him I'm like, 185 00:06:54,782 --> 00:06:56,448 "I don't believe anything you say. 186 00:06:56,517 --> 00:06:58,383 I think you're just a liar." 187 00:06:58,452 --> 00:07:00,585 He's like, "You know what? I have to tell you something." 188 00:07:00,654 --> 00:07:02,220 He's like, "Look up Jake [bleep]." 189 00:07:02,289 --> 00:07:05,524 And I found out EJ's pictures are actually the quarterback 190 00:07:05,592 --> 00:07:06,958 at the University of [bleep]. 191 00:07:07,027 --> 00:07:09,394 - So EJ showed you that the pictures 192 00:07:09,463 --> 00:07:11,696 that you thought were EJ had actually been Jake [bleep] 193 00:07:11,765 --> 00:07:13,498 the whole time. - Right. 194 00:07:13,567 --> 00:07:15,200 - What the [bleep] is happening? 195 00:07:15,269 --> 00:07:18,804 - So now EJ is like me, Jake, and this kid Kyle 196 00:07:18,872 --> 00:07:20,705 are behind this Instagram account 197 00:07:20,774 --> 00:07:22,207 to cheat on their girlfriends. 198 00:07:22,276 --> 00:07:24,042 - So now he's claiming 199 00:07:24,111 --> 00:07:26,044 that Jake has been in on this whole thing. 200 00:07:26,113 --> 00:07:28,013 - Right. He sent me one more picture. 201 00:07:28,081 --> 00:07:31,249 He told me, "Hey, this is me," and then 202 00:07:31,318 --> 00:07:35,187 a couple days later, the person came up on my TikTok. 203 00:07:35,255 --> 00:07:37,956 His name was Dane. And I'm like "That's not you." 204 00:07:38,025 --> 00:07:40,058 - Wait. So he said, "This is actually me" 205 00:07:40,127 --> 00:07:42,227 and he sent you a picture of another kind of hot 206 00:07:42,296 --> 00:07:44,029 influencer guy on TikTok. 207 00:07:44,097 --> 00:07:46,498 - Yeah, he was an athlete. Again, they're all athletes. 208 00:07:46,567 --> 00:07:49,000 So at this point, I blocked him. 209 00:07:49,069 --> 00:07:51,269 But no matter how I tried to cut this kid off, 210 00:07:51,338 --> 00:07:53,905 he finds different ways to contact me. 211 00:07:53,974 --> 00:07:57,709 So September 18th, I went and I got skin removal 212 00:07:57,778 --> 00:08:00,278 and EJ text me from a different phone number. 213 00:08:00,347 --> 00:08:03,715 It was like, "Here's a video with Jake wishing you luck." 214 00:08:03,784 --> 00:08:05,784 - Do you still have it? - What, the video? 215 00:08:05,853 --> 00:08:07,619 Yeah. Do you wanna see it? - Yeah, we wanna see it! 216 00:08:07,688 --> 00:08:09,254 - Okay. 217 00:08:09,323 --> 00:08:11,056 - Oh, here we go. 218 00:08:11,825 --> 00:08:14,125 - Hey, Emma. This is Jake. Just wanted to say hi 219 00:08:14,194 --> 00:08:15,894 and wish you luck before your big surgery tomorrow. 220 00:08:15,963 --> 00:08:18,129 Just know that I'm thinking about you 221 00:08:18,198 --> 00:08:19,531 and I'm sure everything will go smoothly. 222 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,333 - It's a Cameo. It's a Cameo. 223 00:08:21,401 --> 00:08:23,001 - Do you know what Cameo is? Do you know that app? 224 00:08:23,070 --> 00:08:24,970 - No. - Okay. So there's an app 225 00:08:25,038 --> 00:08:27,539 where you can find athletes and actors and celebrities-- 226 00:08:27,608 --> 00:08:29,207 - And us. - We're on there. 227 00:08:29,276 --> 00:08:31,810 And pay them to record a video for you. 228 00:08:31,879 --> 00:08:33,345 - Let's look up his name. 229 00:08:33,413 --> 00:08:34,713 - Jake [bleep]. 230 00:08:34,781 --> 00:08:37,015 - He's got a [bleep] Cameo. 231 00:08:37,084 --> 00:08:39,985 - What is that? - They've only got one on here. 232 00:08:40,053 --> 00:08:42,554 - Emma! - Oh my God! 233 00:08:42,623 --> 00:08:44,155 Wait, but that's not you, is it? 234 00:08:44,224 --> 00:08:46,091 - No! - "Thank you so much, Jake. 235 00:08:46,159 --> 00:08:49,427 This really made my day. The surgery was a success." 236 00:08:49,496 --> 00:08:51,096 - He must have made an account 237 00:08:51,164 --> 00:08:53,398 and named himself Emma and [bleep] did it! 238 00:08:53,467 --> 00:08:54,599 - Oh my God. 239 00:08:54,668 --> 00:08:56,034 - That's insane. 240 00:08:56,103 --> 00:09:00,038 - EJ made a fake account calling himself Emma, 241 00:09:00,107 --> 00:09:03,808 requested a Cameo, and then left a review as you... 242 00:09:03,877 --> 00:09:05,310 - Sick. - Post-surgery. 243 00:09:05,379 --> 00:09:06,444 - That's sick. 244 00:09:06,513 --> 00:09:08,013 I am floored. 245 00:09:08,081 --> 00:09:09,347 I am floored. - Wow! 246 00:09:09,416 --> 00:09:10,715 This is nuts. 247 00:09:10,784 --> 00:09:13,285 You are involved with one of the more 248 00:09:13,353 --> 00:09:16,821 creative and sophisticated catfishes we've ever seen. 249 00:09:16,890 --> 00:09:19,224 - That's insane. - Is it easy for you 250 00:09:19,293 --> 00:09:20,792 to show us some of the more recent photos 251 00:09:20,861 --> 00:09:21,826 that EJ has sent you? 252 00:09:21,895 --> 00:09:23,295 - Yeah, definitely. 253 00:09:23,363 --> 00:09:26,731 This is the picture of the guy he claimed he was 254 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,935 after he told me he wasn't Jake. 255 00:09:30,003 --> 00:09:31,469 - This is Dane. - The TikToker. 256 00:09:31,538 --> 00:09:33,038 - Right. That's Dane. 257 00:09:33,106 --> 00:09:35,941 This is a picture he posted of Jake. 258 00:09:36,009 --> 00:09:39,010 - Do you have pictures of Kyle? - Yeah. This is Kyle. 259 00:09:39,079 --> 00:09:41,112 - Can we see some of your messages? 260 00:09:41,181 --> 00:09:42,447 - Yeah. 261 00:09:42,516 --> 00:09:45,650 So this is him just constantly reaching out. 262 00:09:45,719 --> 00:09:47,085 - He's been messaging you on Kik? 263 00:09:47,154 --> 00:09:49,387 - Yeah, because he's blocked now on social media. 264 00:09:49,456 --> 00:09:51,556 - And he just keeps sending messages. 265 00:09:51,625 --> 00:09:53,158 He just keeps sending messages. 266 00:09:53,226 --> 00:09:55,894 - Yeah. - You're like still being nice. 267 00:09:55,963 --> 00:09:57,195 - Oh yeah. I'm concerned 268 00:09:57,264 --> 00:10:00,532 because he has nude photos and my address. 269 00:10:00,601 --> 00:10:03,568 But also if I'm mean, 270 00:10:03,637 --> 00:10:04,970 he'll send me like biblical verses 271 00:10:05,038 --> 00:10:06,404 and tell me I'm disgusting, 272 00:10:06,473 --> 00:10:08,873 because I don't see that God loves everybody 273 00:10:08,942 --> 00:10:10,442 regardless of the sins that they've-- 274 00:10:10,510 --> 00:10:14,145 - Girl, get this [bleep] creep outta here. 275 00:10:14,214 --> 00:10:15,480 What is happening? 276 00:10:15,549 --> 00:10:17,916 - Isn't that wild? - Wow. Okay. So what else? 277 00:10:17,985 --> 00:10:19,551 - [laughing] No more. 278 00:10:19,620 --> 00:10:20,752 - [laughing] - Please! 279 00:10:20,821 --> 00:10:22,053 - Is there more? 280 00:10:22,122 --> 00:10:25,323 - Yeah, so he messages my friend Tyler. 281 00:10:25,392 --> 00:10:28,360 He's like, "Do you know Emma? I heard she's dead." 282 00:10:28,428 --> 00:10:29,694 - What the [bleep]? 283 00:10:29,763 --> 00:10:31,129 - And then EJ's sending him 284 00:10:31,198 --> 00:10:34,199 screenshots of nude pictures that I have sent him 285 00:10:34,267 --> 00:10:37,035 to try and convince him that he knows me well. 286 00:10:37,104 --> 00:10:40,038 And then a couple weeks ago, I was starting to 287 00:10:40,107 --> 00:10:42,741 go out with someone that I've previously gone out with. 288 00:10:42,809 --> 00:10:47,012 And EJ went to the extent of catfishing the guy 289 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,848 that I was seeing as a woman. 290 00:10:49,916 --> 00:10:51,449 And I was like, oh my God... 291 00:10:51,518 --> 00:10:53,518 - Uh...yeah. 292 00:10:53,587 --> 00:10:54,953 - He's crazy. 293 00:10:55,022 --> 00:10:56,554 - This person is obsessed with you, 294 00:10:56,623 --> 00:10:59,724 and it's like actually crazy. 295 00:10:59,793 --> 00:11:03,762 - It's sick, and it's just it's out of control at this point. 296 00:11:03,830 --> 00:11:07,599 - Is there something he seems to want? 297 00:11:07,668 --> 00:11:09,200 - To be with me. 298 00:11:09,269 --> 00:11:11,436 - It like literally gives me chills. 299 00:11:11,505 --> 00:11:13,171 That's so weird. 300 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,774 - All right. Listen, Emma, we've got a lot of work to do. 301 00:11:15,842 --> 00:11:17,275 - Yes. - Send us everything. 302 00:11:17,344 --> 00:11:19,744 - We're gonna get into it right now. Sit tight. 303 00:11:19,813 --> 00:11:20,912 We'll--we'll be in touch soon. 304 00:11:20,981 --> 00:11:22,781 - Bye. - Bye. 305 00:11:22,849 --> 00:11:24,182 [chime] - This is different. 306 00:11:24,251 --> 00:11:27,052 - Clearly, there is a person or a group of people 307 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,522 who are taking great joy in manipulating her. 308 00:11:30,590 --> 00:11:31,623 - She's [bleep] scared. 309 00:11:31,692 --> 00:11:32,957 Like, she's scared. - Right. 310 00:11:33,026 --> 00:11:36,795 - Whoever this person is, it's time for it to end. 311 00:11:38,832 --> 00:11:41,132 - All that talk about Cameo yesterday made me realize 312 00:11:41,201 --> 00:11:43,168 I'm totally behind on my requests. 313 00:11:43,236 --> 00:11:44,402 All right, ready, Kamie? We gotta do a quick Cameo. 314 00:11:44,471 --> 00:11:46,071 It's just about to expire. - What you got? 315 00:11:46,139 --> 00:11:48,540 - This is for Sarah from her friend Jack 316 00:11:48,608 --> 00:11:50,308 who says, "I honestly, I don't watch 'Catfish,' 317 00:11:50,377 --> 00:11:51,676 So maybe tie that in there somewhere." 318 00:11:51,745 --> 00:11:53,344 - What? - The guy who got it just knows 319 00:11:53,413 --> 00:11:54,579 that she loves the show... - Oh, my God. 320 00:11:54,648 --> 00:11:55,980 - And has like no idea what it is. 321 00:11:56,049 --> 00:11:59,818 Hey, Sarah, it's Nev here. 322 00:11:59,886 --> 00:12:01,119 Happy birthday. 323 00:12:01,188 --> 00:12:02,353 - Happy birthday. 324 00:12:02,422 --> 00:12:04,089 - And we're we happy to be a part of it. 325 00:12:04,157 --> 00:12:06,024 - Shout out to Jack, because he sent us here. 326 00:12:06,093 --> 00:12:07,592 - And Jack, who has no idea 327 00:12:07,661 --> 00:12:09,327 what we do or what "Catfish" is 328 00:12:09,396 --> 00:12:11,596 but knew enough about you to know that you love it. 329 00:12:11,665 --> 00:12:13,264 Bye. - Bye! 330 00:12:13,333 --> 00:12:15,433 - Perfect. - Okay. 331 00:12:15,502 --> 00:12:17,736 - All right. Basically, Emma met a guy on Instagram 332 00:12:17,804 --> 00:12:20,271 named EJ, who's proceeded to lure her 333 00:12:20,340 --> 00:12:23,141 into a romantic relationship, string it out, 334 00:12:23,210 --> 00:12:25,677 falsely lead her to believe that they were gonna meet up. 335 00:12:25,746 --> 00:12:27,645 Then he brings up other stories about, 336 00:12:27,714 --> 00:12:29,781 "Oh, that wasn't me. My friend had my phone and oh, 337 00:12:29,850 --> 00:12:31,816 I've actually been lying. I'm this guy." 338 00:12:31,885 --> 00:12:33,284 And now he claims that 339 00:12:33,353 --> 00:12:35,420 he's part of this group of college athletes 340 00:12:35,489 --> 00:12:38,757 that were at some point sharing this fake Instagram account. 341 00:12:38,825 --> 00:12:41,626 He went as far as to order a Cameo from Jake, 342 00:12:41,695 --> 00:12:43,828 the guy who he said he was friends with 343 00:12:43,897 --> 00:12:46,664 to wish her a good surgery to make it seem convincing 344 00:12:46,733 --> 00:12:48,967 that Jake is somehow involved in this. 345 00:12:49,035 --> 00:12:50,735 Whoever Emma's talking to 346 00:12:50,804 --> 00:12:53,938 seems to be willing to do anything to get to her. 347 00:12:54,007 --> 00:12:55,940 - Even catfishing the guy that Emma 348 00:12:56,009 --> 00:12:57,709 is actually dating in real life 349 00:12:57,778 --> 00:13:00,311 to try to drive a wedge between them. 350 00:13:00,380 --> 00:13:02,380 - Emma's in a situation right now that is worrisome. 351 00:13:02,449 --> 00:13:04,282 This person has naked pictures of Emma, 352 00:13:04,351 --> 00:13:06,251 and he's proven he's willing to use them. 353 00:13:06,319 --> 00:13:08,186 We need to find out who the hell this is 354 00:13:08,255 --> 00:13:09,754 and carefully put an end to this. 355 00:13:09,823 --> 00:13:11,089 - Yeah. 356 00:13:11,158 --> 00:13:12,557 - So we got another email here 357 00:13:12,626 --> 00:13:14,025 from Emma with some information. 358 00:13:14,094 --> 00:13:16,461 So, "Hy Nev and Kamie, here's the info I have on EJ. 359 00:13:16,530 --> 00:13:18,096 His full name is Elijah [bleep], 360 00:13:18,165 --> 00:13:20,799 his phone number and his email on Insta 361 00:13:20,867 --> 00:13:23,334 before he took it down, or it was taken down. 362 00:13:23,403 --> 00:13:24,536 - Mm-hmm. - The first person 363 00:13:24,604 --> 00:13:26,738 I was talking to was named Jake [bleep]. 364 00:13:26,807 --> 00:13:29,707 Then there was Kyle [bleep] who stole his phone. 365 00:13:29,776 --> 00:13:33,144 He also messaged my friend Tyler about me being dead. 366 00:13:33,213 --> 00:13:34,445 Tyler can tell you more about it. 367 00:13:34,514 --> 00:13:36,247 You should reach out to him. Here's his number. 368 00:13:36,316 --> 00:13:37,448 I added all the pictures I have. 369 00:13:37,517 --> 00:13:38,683 That's all I have for now. 370 00:13:38,752 --> 00:13:40,285 Let me know if you have any questions. 371 00:13:40,353 --> 00:13:43,221 Thank you so much. Emma." Okay, well... 372 00:13:43,290 --> 00:13:44,355 here's Jake. - Right. 373 00:13:44,424 --> 00:13:46,324 - The real football player, 374 00:13:46,393 --> 00:13:48,726 and Dane, the guy she recognized from TikTok. 375 00:13:48,795 --> 00:13:50,528 I assume she's also run the photos, 376 00:13:50,597 --> 00:13:51,696 but it doesn't really matter because-- 377 00:13:51,765 --> 00:13:53,231 - We know who they are. - Right. 378 00:13:53,300 --> 00:13:55,500 - So let's just start with this phone number. 379 00:13:56,436 --> 00:13:59,103 This has been the number that is used most of the time. 380 00:13:59,172 --> 00:14:02,207 - Right. - Oh yeah. Tiana [bleep]. 381 00:14:02,275 --> 00:14:04,375 - Same name that came up in Emma's search. 382 00:14:04,444 --> 00:14:06,878 Let's run the number on Cash App and see what we get. 383 00:14:06,947 --> 00:14:08,313 [lightly suspenseful music] 384 00:14:08,381 --> 00:14:10,114 - Tiana. - Tiana. 385 00:14:10,183 --> 00:14:11,683 - It's her. - It seems like 386 00:14:11,751 --> 00:14:13,418 we're definitely dealing with a girl here, 387 00:14:13,486 --> 00:14:15,353 and clearly it's Tiana. 388 00:14:15,422 --> 00:14:16,821 - It's gotta be. - Which also makes sense 389 00:14:16,890 --> 00:14:18,056 why they've never talked on the phone... 390 00:14:18,124 --> 00:14:19,123 - Yeah. - Or FaceTimed. 391 00:14:19,192 --> 00:14:20,191 - But who is Tiana? Who is she? 392 00:14:20,260 --> 00:14:21,459 - But who is Tiana? 393 00:14:21,528 --> 00:14:23,661 All right, let's look up Tiana [bleep]. 394 00:14:24,865 --> 00:14:26,030 Interesting. 395 00:14:26,099 --> 00:14:29,567 There are only three Tiana [bleep] on Facebook. 396 00:14:30,637 --> 00:14:34,305 First hit is a sort of weird profile. 397 00:14:34,374 --> 00:14:36,441 No picture, eight friends, 398 00:14:36,509 --> 00:14:38,643 but it hasn't been used in a long time. 399 00:14:38,712 --> 00:14:40,879 Let's see about this next one. 400 00:14:41,748 --> 00:14:45,617 Another sort of dead profile, but let's try this third one. 401 00:14:46,686 --> 00:14:48,953 Looks like they're all inactive. 402 00:14:49,022 --> 00:14:50,288 It's not a common name. 403 00:14:50,357 --> 00:14:51,623 It's just weird that there are 404 00:14:51,691 --> 00:14:54,759 three Tiana [bleep] Facebook pages, 405 00:14:54,828 --> 00:14:57,929 and they're all very weird, empty profiles. 406 00:14:57,998 --> 00:14:59,764 - She's looking weird. She's looking sus. 407 00:14:59,833 --> 00:15:00,798 - Right. Very sus. 408 00:15:00,867 --> 00:15:03,001 Guess we could do an Instagram search. 409 00:15:03,069 --> 00:15:05,336 Tiana [bleep]. 410 00:15:05,405 --> 00:15:08,473 Oh, just one result. 411 00:15:08,541 --> 00:15:11,109 Ooh. "Ball is life." 412 00:15:11,177 --> 00:15:12,610 Athlete. - Mm. 413 00:15:12,679 --> 00:15:15,813 One actual photo of her. "Bored. 414 00:15:15,882 --> 00:15:17,715 Something to post. Like. Follow." 415 00:15:19,352 --> 00:15:20,885 So this--what? - Uhh! 416 00:15:20,954 --> 00:15:22,053 - Uhh! - What? 417 00:15:22,122 --> 00:15:23,955 - Bible verse. - [gasps] 418 00:15:24,024 --> 00:15:25,857 - [whispers] Bible verse. 419 00:15:25,926 --> 00:15:28,526 - EJ has been sending biblical verses. 420 00:15:28,595 --> 00:15:30,561 - Although, a lot of people do use Bible verses, 421 00:15:30,630 --> 00:15:32,230 but that's interesting. 422 00:15:32,299 --> 00:15:33,865 - The phone number comes back to Tiana. 423 00:15:33,934 --> 00:15:35,466 The Cash App comes back to Tiana. 424 00:15:35,535 --> 00:15:37,702 - Right. - Clearly, Tiana is 425 00:15:37,771 --> 00:15:40,104 at the center of this [bleep]storm. 426 00:15:40,173 --> 00:15:43,374 - Yeah. But is this the Tiana we're looking for? 427 00:15:43,443 --> 00:15:44,676 What else do we have? 428 00:15:44,744 --> 00:15:47,045 - We have the number for Tyler. - Right. 429 00:15:47,113 --> 00:15:50,548 Emma's actual friend who EJ sent Emma's nudes to. 430 00:15:50,617 --> 00:15:52,016 We should get his side of the story. 431 00:15:52,085 --> 00:15:53,618 I'm gonna send a message. 432 00:15:55,588 --> 00:15:57,188 Let's just see if he gets back to us. 433 00:15:57,257 --> 00:16:00,158 I wanna also reach out to Jake. 434 00:16:00,226 --> 00:16:01,659 He's one of the football players 435 00:16:01,728 --> 00:16:04,262 who supposedly used EJ's account. 436 00:16:04,331 --> 00:16:06,497 I doubt it, but he may know something. 437 00:16:06,566 --> 00:16:10,501 Hey, Jake. It's Nev from "Catfish." 438 00:16:10,570 --> 00:16:13,471 Do I have a story for you. 439 00:16:13,540 --> 00:16:15,006 Give me a call. 440 00:16:15,075 --> 00:16:17,842 Well, just about run out of things to search. 441 00:16:17,911 --> 00:16:20,111 - We could search Kyle [bleep]. 442 00:16:20,180 --> 00:16:23,181 - Yes, let's do that. He's the other football player, 443 00:16:23,249 --> 00:16:24,983 The one who supposedly stole EJ's phone 444 00:16:25,051 --> 00:16:27,885 and lied to Emma about meeting in New Jersey. 445 00:16:27,954 --> 00:16:30,755 [suspenseful music] 446 00:16:30,824 --> 00:16:32,623 Is this the guy? 447 00:16:32,692 --> 00:16:34,993 Let's send him a message-- 448 00:16:35,061 --> 00:16:37,328 I mean Kyle the same message. 449 00:16:38,898 --> 00:16:40,431 [phone chimes] Ooh, look at this. 450 00:16:40,500 --> 00:16:42,900 Tyler wrote back. Let's see if he can talk. 451 00:16:42,969 --> 00:16:44,569 - Can he Zoom? 452 00:16:44,637 --> 00:16:45,803 - I'll send him the link. 453 00:16:45,872 --> 00:16:47,005 Here he comes. 454 00:16:47,073 --> 00:16:48,306 [chime] Oh! 455 00:16:49,676 --> 00:16:51,476 - How you guys doing? Nice to meet you guys. 456 00:16:51,544 --> 00:16:53,711 - Welcome, to the show. - Glad to be here. 457 00:16:53,780 --> 00:16:55,546 - Do you know about this crazy thing 458 00:16:55,615 --> 00:16:56,948 that's been going on with Emma? 459 00:16:57,017 --> 00:16:59,017 - Yeah, pretty much everything about it. Yeah. 460 00:16:59,085 --> 00:17:01,452 - And Emma's a friend of yours? - Yes. 461 00:17:01,521 --> 00:17:02,720 We went to high school together. 462 00:17:02,789 --> 00:17:04,522 - Okay. And so you're fully up to speed 463 00:17:04,591 --> 00:17:07,258 with the whole crazy EJ saga? 464 00:17:07,327 --> 00:17:08,760 - Yes. So a couple weeks ago 465 00:17:08,828 --> 00:17:11,229 I got a Instagram message from EJ. 466 00:17:11,297 --> 00:17:15,666 He asked me, "Is Emma dead?" And obviously she's not. 467 00:17:15,735 --> 00:17:18,036 So I was like, "You know, what is this? 468 00:17:18,104 --> 00:17:19,203 You know, what's going on with this?" 469 00:17:19,272 --> 00:17:21,239 And then he then sent me back 470 00:17:21,307 --> 00:17:24,909 multiple pictures of Emma naked 471 00:17:24,978 --> 00:17:29,280 and said, "I know her very well." 472 00:17:29,349 --> 00:17:31,382 - Wow. - Yes. 473 00:17:31,451 --> 00:17:32,617 So then I gave her a phone call, 474 00:17:32,685 --> 00:17:34,585 and then she gave me the whole rundown that, 475 00:17:34,654 --> 00:17:36,154 you know, he's pretty much a guy 476 00:17:36,222 --> 00:17:39,690 that she was talking to that was, you know, stalking her. 477 00:17:39,759 --> 00:17:42,527 And she told me that he made a fake 478 00:17:42,595 --> 00:17:45,363 Instagram account of her that had her name in it 479 00:17:45,432 --> 00:17:47,665 and was selling the naked pictures 480 00:17:47,734 --> 00:17:49,600 that he sent me on the internet. 481 00:17:49,669 --> 00:17:51,569 - Wow. We knew he'd sent them to you, 482 00:17:51,638 --> 00:17:53,771 but we had no idea that there was 483 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,374 a fake Emma account selling her nudes online. 484 00:17:56,443 --> 00:17:58,543 - Yeah. - I mean, it is concerning. 485 00:17:58,611 --> 00:17:59,911 - It's very concerning. Yeah. 486 00:17:59,979 --> 00:18:01,946 There's something very wrong with this person. 487 00:18:02,015 --> 00:18:05,116 - Have you ever heard of a girl named Tiana [bleep]? 488 00:18:05,185 --> 00:18:06,317 - No. 489 00:18:06,386 --> 00:18:08,853 - Okay. Well, man. All right. 490 00:18:08,922 --> 00:18:10,755 Well, thank you so much for your help. 491 00:18:10,824 --> 00:18:13,458 Good to have some additional info from you there. 492 00:18:13,526 --> 00:18:14,892 - Thanks, Tyler. 493 00:18:14,961 --> 00:18:16,828 - No problem. Hope I helped you guys a little bit. 494 00:18:16,896 --> 00:18:18,663 - For sure. - All right, guys. 495 00:18:18,731 --> 00:18:20,665 Nice meeting you. - All right, later, bud. 496 00:18:21,201 --> 00:18:22,900 Wow. So there's even more 497 00:18:22,969 --> 00:18:24,869 to the story that Emma didn't mention. 498 00:18:24,938 --> 00:18:27,572 - No. - They had a fake Emma Page. 499 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,174 People on Instagram were buying her nude pictures. 500 00:18:30,243 --> 00:18:32,743 It's so messed up. - What are they trying to do 501 00:18:32,812 --> 00:18:34,946 other than like destroy her life? 502 00:18:35,014 --> 00:18:37,115 I am now on a quest. 503 00:18:37,183 --> 00:18:38,983 I'm not playing--I'm about to take this bitch down. 504 00:18:41,955 --> 00:18:44,722 - Okay. Chances are the person that Emma's been talking with 505 00:18:44,791 --> 00:18:50,161 this entire time has been a woman named Tiana [bleep]. 506 00:18:50,230 --> 00:18:51,696 Which obviously explains not meeting up 507 00:18:51,764 --> 00:18:53,965 and not talking on the phone or FaceTiming. 508 00:18:54,033 --> 00:18:56,834 - But we don't--who is Tiana? 509 00:18:56,903 --> 00:18:58,269 - Right. - That is the question. 510 00:18:58,338 --> 00:19:01,405 - All right. Let's text Emma. Hey, Emma. 511 00:19:04,711 --> 00:19:06,711 [chime] Hey. 512 00:19:06,779 --> 00:19:08,179 - Hey, what's going on? 513 00:19:08,248 --> 00:19:09,847 - We've been on a little bit of a journey 514 00:19:09,916 --> 00:19:13,351 trying to trace our way through your wild six months. 515 00:19:13,419 --> 00:19:15,887 - Mm-hmm. - And we do have some stuff 516 00:19:15,955 --> 00:19:17,989 that we want to discuss. - Okay. 517 00:19:18,057 --> 00:19:20,191 - So as you had already discovered, 518 00:19:20,260 --> 00:19:23,895 the number you have for EJ comes back to this girl. 519 00:19:23,963 --> 00:19:26,130 - Right. Tiana [bleep]. Right. 520 00:19:26,199 --> 00:19:28,966 - So we then put the number into Cash App, 521 00:19:29,035 --> 00:19:31,335 which we find often people have, 522 00:19:31,404 --> 00:19:34,372 and it came back to--to a Tiana [bleep] on Cash App. 523 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:35,406 - Oh. - So we looked up 524 00:19:35,475 --> 00:19:37,875 Tiana [bleep] on Instagram 525 00:19:37,944 --> 00:19:40,478 and we did find this. 526 00:19:40,547 --> 00:19:43,114 Now, again, not a very active profile. 527 00:19:43,183 --> 00:19:44,715 - No. - But they seem to be 528 00:19:44,784 --> 00:19:48,452 into athletics. Right? - "Ball is life." 529 00:19:48,521 --> 00:19:51,923 - And there's one photo of someone posted from 2014, 530 00:19:51,991 --> 00:19:54,659 a girl, presumably her. 531 00:19:54,727 --> 00:19:57,061 - Okay. 532 00:19:57,130 --> 00:19:59,564 - The weird part on this profile is 533 00:19:59,632 --> 00:20:01,132 when you click on one of the photos 534 00:20:01,201 --> 00:20:03,267 and you look at the caption... 535 00:20:03,336 --> 00:20:04,902 - Biblical. - Right. 536 00:20:04,971 --> 00:20:09,273 And you said that EJ has been sending you biblical verses. 537 00:20:09,342 --> 00:20:10,541 - Yeah. - Could be completely 538 00:20:10,610 --> 00:20:11,976 unrelated--who knows? - But you know, look, 539 00:20:12,045 --> 00:20:15,246 since the number comes back to Tiana and the Cash App, 540 00:20:15,315 --> 00:20:17,615 and this is the only Tiana [bleep] 541 00:20:17,684 --> 00:20:19,150 on either Facebook or Instagram 542 00:20:19,219 --> 00:20:21,052 that seems to have like an actual profile, 543 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:23,120 right now, this is the only potential 544 00:20:23,189 --> 00:20:25,590 lead we have as to who is Tiana. 545 00:20:25,658 --> 00:20:27,058 - Right. 546 00:20:27,126 --> 00:20:28,626 - So we sent some messages out... 547 00:20:28,695 --> 00:20:30,995 - Mm-hmm. - To both Jake and Kyle, 548 00:20:31,064 --> 00:20:32,597 the football players. - Cool. 549 00:20:32,665 --> 00:20:33,998 - We have not heard back from them. 550 00:20:34,067 --> 00:20:36,400 Also, we spoke to your friend Tyler who filled us in 551 00:20:36,469 --> 00:20:38,102 a little bit more of the details, 552 00:20:38,171 --> 00:20:39,670 specifically about the fact 553 00:20:39,739 --> 00:20:42,974 that the person was selling some of the photos? 554 00:20:43,042 --> 00:20:44,976 - Yeah. Pictures. 555 00:20:45,044 --> 00:20:46,677 [uneasy music] 556 00:20:46,746 --> 00:20:49,847 - If I can ask, how did you find out about that? 557 00:20:51,484 --> 00:20:54,085 - So I was actually in New York, 558 00:20:54,153 --> 00:20:58,022 and I was ignoring EJ, Tiana, whoever. 559 00:20:58,091 --> 00:21:01,759 And he or she texted me and said 560 00:21:01,828 --> 00:21:04,228 "I'm in a really sticky situation. 561 00:21:04,297 --> 00:21:07,832 "I made a fake Instagram and a fake Venmo 562 00:21:07,900 --> 00:21:09,400 "when we first started talking 563 00:21:09,469 --> 00:21:11,936 and I've been selling your pictures to people online." 564 00:21:12,005 --> 00:21:14,872 So they openly told me about it. 565 00:21:15,908 --> 00:21:19,277 The following day, they tried to tell me that it was a joke 566 00:21:19,345 --> 00:21:21,312 and that they did it just to get my attention. 567 00:21:21,381 --> 00:21:22,813 And I'm like, mm, see, I don't really 568 00:21:22,882 --> 00:21:24,548 believe that though, because you went through 569 00:21:24,617 --> 00:21:27,585 the trouble of building up an Instagram account 570 00:21:27,654 --> 00:21:30,021 then requesting people that I know. 571 00:21:30,089 --> 00:21:32,423 - How come you never mentioned that to us? 572 00:21:32,492 --> 00:21:35,026 - I was more or less embarrassed by it. 573 00:21:35,094 --> 00:21:39,530 And yeah, it was just-- it was really messy and... 574 00:21:39,599 --> 00:21:41,766 - The casual way that they would 575 00:21:41,834 --> 00:21:43,768 send those pictures to your friend... 576 00:21:43,836 --> 00:21:47,738 You think you're sharing things with one particular person, 577 00:21:47,807 --> 00:21:50,374 and then you realize that it's a completely different person. 578 00:21:50,443 --> 00:21:52,576 - Mm-hmm. - It just worries me. 579 00:21:52,645 --> 00:21:55,513 - This is like a complete violation of trust 580 00:21:55,581 --> 00:21:58,149 on so many different levels. 581 00:21:58,217 --> 00:22:01,819 - Has it affected the way that you're able to trust people? 582 00:22:01,888 --> 00:22:05,022 - Oh, yeah, no, I feel like I cannot trust anybody now. 583 00:22:05,091 --> 00:22:06,657 I'm not kidding. 584 00:22:06,726 --> 00:22:10,561 - It's very obvious that Tiana or whoever is behind this 585 00:22:10,630 --> 00:22:15,466 is very deep in this like, down bad. 586 00:22:15,535 --> 00:22:16,901 - Right. - Look, we still have messages 587 00:22:16,969 --> 00:22:19,437 out to the players that had their pics stolen. 588 00:22:19,505 --> 00:22:21,205 Giving them a chance to get back to us. 589 00:22:21,274 --> 00:22:22,606 Hopefully, we hear from them. 590 00:22:22,675 --> 00:22:25,343 If we don't, then we have to probably just be prepared 591 00:22:25,411 --> 00:22:29,413 to reach out directly to "EJ"/Tiana. 592 00:22:29,482 --> 00:22:31,682 - Right. - But whoever this is 593 00:22:31,751 --> 00:22:34,719 has already distributed your content, your pictures... 594 00:22:34,787 --> 00:22:36,320 - Right. - Your name, your info. 595 00:22:36,389 --> 00:22:37,755 - Mm-hmm. - So fingers crossed 596 00:22:37,824 --> 00:22:39,623 we can have a conversation that ends 597 00:22:39,692 --> 00:22:42,159 with them understanding that they need to stop. 598 00:22:42,228 --> 00:22:45,096 - Right. Hopefully, we'll be able to get something. 599 00:22:45,164 --> 00:22:46,497 We'll see. - All right, well, look, 600 00:22:46,566 --> 00:22:48,232 let's regroup in the morning. 601 00:22:48,301 --> 00:22:50,000 We'll see if we have any updates. 602 00:22:50,069 --> 00:22:51,669 - Okay. 603 00:22:51,738 --> 00:22:53,337 - And--and depending on what we do or don't have then, 604 00:22:53,406 --> 00:22:56,040 we'll make an informed decision 605 00:22:56,109 --> 00:22:57,875 as to what the next best move is. 606 00:22:57,944 --> 00:23:00,244 - Okay. Thank you for helping. 607 00:23:00,313 --> 00:23:01,445 It means... - Sure. 608 00:23:01,514 --> 00:23:03,080 - More than you guys know. Bye, guys. 609 00:23:03,149 --> 00:23:05,416 - Bye, girl. I feel bad. 610 00:23:05,485 --> 00:23:07,752 - Yeah. She has to live with this constant fear 611 00:23:07,820 --> 00:23:09,820 and always looking over her shoulder. 612 00:23:09,889 --> 00:23:12,223 Anytime she posts something or gets a new friend request, 613 00:23:12,291 --> 00:23:14,091 it's like, oh God--everything. 614 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:15,459 - Yeah. It's terrorizing. 615 00:23:15,528 --> 00:23:17,495 This person has been terrorizing her 616 00:23:17,563 --> 00:23:18,829 from every single angle. 617 00:23:18,898 --> 00:23:21,499 And I--I want us to be able to help her stop it, 618 00:23:21,567 --> 00:23:24,702 but it could be completely beyond the realm of anything 619 00:23:24,771 --> 00:23:26,871 that we can possibly do to help her. 620 00:23:30,343 --> 00:23:32,743 - Drizzly day here in Los Angeles, 621 00:23:32,812 --> 00:23:35,446 which I think is very appropriate, 622 00:23:35,515 --> 00:23:39,183 considering the cloud that seems to be hanging over Emma 623 00:23:39,252 --> 00:23:43,654 and this whole situation. What is this person after? 624 00:23:43,723 --> 00:23:45,556 Fingers crossed, as we figure it out. 625 00:23:45,625 --> 00:23:49,160 [electronic music] 626 00:23:49,228 --> 00:23:51,562 All right. Let's see if either of those football players, 627 00:23:51,631 --> 00:23:53,164 Jake or Kyle, got back to us. 628 00:23:53,232 --> 00:23:55,666 Because honestly, it was all we had left. 629 00:23:55,735 --> 00:23:59,437 Not a single response. Nothing. 630 00:23:59,505 --> 00:24:01,472 - But maybe Emma's heard from somebody? 631 00:24:01,541 --> 00:24:02,740 - Possibly. 632 00:24:05,845 --> 00:24:06,877 [chime] Oh. 633 00:24:06,946 --> 00:24:08,412 - Hey! - Whoa! 634 00:24:08,481 --> 00:24:10,881 - Hello, good morning! 635 00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:13,651 - How have you been? 636 00:24:13,719 --> 00:24:14,919 - Little nervous. 637 00:24:14,987 --> 00:24:18,122 I got a text last night from EJ. 638 00:24:18,191 --> 00:24:19,557 - Oh God. 639 00:24:19,625 --> 00:24:22,126 - Reaching out to see if he could have my new number. 640 00:24:22,195 --> 00:24:24,128 'Cause there was something he had to tell me. 641 00:24:24,197 --> 00:24:25,896 - Well, so we haven't heard back from either 642 00:24:25,965 --> 00:24:27,631 those football guys, Kyle and Jake. 643 00:24:27,700 --> 00:24:29,900 - The only thing that we have right now to go off of 644 00:24:29,969 --> 00:24:32,203 is that message that you got from EJ. 645 00:24:32,271 --> 00:24:34,305 - Okay. - Can you show us that message? 646 00:24:34,373 --> 00:24:36,140 - Yeah. - What does he mean, 647 00:24:36,209 --> 00:24:37,608 can he have your new phone number? 648 00:24:37,677 --> 00:24:38,943 No. Oh, and you said it. 649 00:24:39,011 --> 00:24:40,177 You said you're not getting my new number. 650 00:24:40,246 --> 00:24:41,612 - Yeah. - First she said 651 00:24:41,681 --> 00:24:43,914 "I care about you a lot, wish we wouldn't fight as much, 652 00:24:43,983 --> 00:24:45,216 and we could just go back 653 00:24:45,284 --> 00:24:48,252 to how we kind of were at first. I love you." 654 00:24:48,321 --> 00:24:50,187 Had you been saying "I love you" to him back 655 00:24:50,256 --> 00:24:51,789 when things were kind of good at the beginning? 656 00:24:51,858 --> 00:24:53,657 - Yeah. - That's a big deal. 657 00:24:53,726 --> 00:24:54,758 You dropped the L bomb. 658 00:24:54,827 --> 00:24:55,993 - I did. - That's not nothing. 659 00:24:56,062 --> 00:24:57,761 You know, that's a thing. - No. 660 00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:59,897 - He said, "I'm not gonna blow your phone up. I promise. 661 00:24:59,966 --> 00:25:01,632 But I need your new number. 662 00:25:01,701 --> 00:25:02,900 There's something I gotta tell you." 663 00:25:02,969 --> 00:25:04,502 Tell me right here. - Tell me right here. 664 00:25:05,538 --> 00:25:08,138 - What if she gave our number? - What--what- Ooh! difference? 665 00:25:08,207 --> 00:25:10,107 - That way we can message with him on your behalf, 666 00:25:10,176 --> 00:25:11,709 and he still won't have your real number 667 00:25:11,777 --> 00:25:14,078 in case something goes wrong and he blows up. 668 00:25:14,146 --> 00:25:16,447 - I love that idea. - Okay. 669 00:25:16,516 --> 00:25:19,283 - All right. So let's give him our number, 670 00:25:19,352 --> 00:25:22,253 but put it in a message that feels authentic. 671 00:25:22,321 --> 00:25:24,355 - "Okay, fine. I will give it to you. 672 00:25:24,423 --> 00:25:25,623 Don't abuse it." 673 00:25:25,691 --> 00:25:27,791 - The number is 818-[bleep]. 674 00:25:27,860 --> 00:25:29,360 Oh boy. 675 00:25:29,428 --> 00:25:30,728 - So let's see. - Here we go. 676 00:25:30,796 --> 00:25:32,162 - Whoo! 677 00:25:32,231 --> 00:25:33,531 - Is he usually pretty quick with stuff? 678 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,200 - I mean,? he used to be really quick. 679 00:25:36,269 --> 00:25:38,469 I'm not kidding, like on the second. 680 00:25:39,705 --> 00:25:40,571 [chime] - [gasps] 681 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,439 - Oh--wait. What? 682 00:25:43,509 --> 00:25:47,845 - Okay. - It's from Elena Fer-Ferri-- 683 00:25:47,914 --> 00:25:49,079 - Ferriera? 684 00:25:49,148 --> 00:25:51,315 - Ferriera. - Ferriera. That's him. 685 00:25:51,384 --> 00:25:52,917 - It says, "I don't feel like I'd abuse your number. 686 00:25:52,985 --> 00:25:54,852 I just want talk to you." What is that name? 687 00:25:54,921 --> 00:25:57,154 - Elena is the girl 688 00:25:57,223 --> 00:26:00,391 that catfished the guy that I was seeing. 689 00:26:00,459 --> 00:26:03,160 - Oh, so that confirms 690 00:26:03,229 --> 00:26:06,130 that that was him. - Right. 691 00:26:06,198 --> 00:26:10,301 - But how like ballsy and bold for you as "EJ" 692 00:26:10,369 --> 00:26:13,404 to be messaging from this Elena Ferriera account 693 00:26:13,472 --> 00:26:15,539 like it's just nothing? - Crazy. 694 00:26:15,608 --> 00:26:16,874 - He did write something before that was like, 695 00:26:16,943 --> 00:26:18,776 "I don't wanna fight anymore." 696 00:26:18,844 --> 00:26:21,045 Blah, blah, blah, blah. So what if we played into that? 697 00:26:21,113 --> 00:26:24,214 - Yeah. - The old bait and switch. 698 00:26:24,283 --> 00:26:26,784 - Yes. You could say something like 699 00:26:26,852 --> 00:26:30,854 I've actually been thinking about how things used to be 700 00:26:30,923 --> 00:26:32,723 and I don't wanna fight anymore. 701 00:26:32,792 --> 00:26:34,458 I'd like to see you then. 702 00:26:34,527 --> 00:26:36,527 - So let's say, "Would you be willing to join a Zoom?" 703 00:26:36,596 --> 00:26:37,962 - Yeah. 704 00:26:38,030 --> 00:26:39,964 - Sent. - All right. 705 00:26:40,032 --> 00:26:42,032 I wonder if he'll actually do it. 706 00:26:42,101 --> 00:26:45,002 - I feel like you're not getting your hopes up. 707 00:26:45,071 --> 00:26:47,805 - No. With him, I-- you absolutely cannot. 708 00:26:47,873 --> 00:26:50,107 - Oh, read. 709 00:26:50,176 --> 00:26:51,875 - Ooh, ooh, ooh! - [whispers] Oh, God, 710 00:26:51,944 --> 00:26:53,043 he's writing, he's writing. 711 00:26:53,112 --> 00:26:55,613 [tense music] 712 00:26:55,681 --> 00:26:58,282 - Why not? You could always say like, 713 00:26:58,351 --> 00:27:00,351 if I'm being honest with you, 714 00:27:00,419 --> 00:27:02,953 I had to call in some reinforcements. 715 00:27:03,022 --> 00:27:04,688 I really wanna meet you, 716 00:27:04,757 --> 00:27:08,092 and I felt like this was the only way to make it happen. 717 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,159 - Okay. - All right. 718 00:27:09,228 --> 00:27:10,761 Let's just read it once. Okay. 719 00:27:10,830 --> 00:27:13,497 [Emma reading] 720 00:27:16,202 --> 00:27:17,434 - So I contacted "Catfish" 721 00:27:17,503 --> 00:27:18,969 because they've had a lot of success 722 00:27:19,038 --> 00:27:20,404 in helping people meet 723 00:27:20,473 --> 00:27:23,140 and feel comfortable, seen and understood. 724 00:27:23,209 --> 00:27:24,642 - All right. Wow. Sent. 725 00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:26,010 - Let's see. 726 00:27:26,078 --> 00:27:28,479 [chime] - Ooh, ooh, ooh! 727 00:27:28,547 --> 00:27:30,247 - Oh, come on. 728 00:27:30,316 --> 00:27:32,282 - "Now isn't a good time." When is a good time? 729 00:27:32,351 --> 00:27:33,450 - Right. 730 00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:34,785 - Well, now I think-- - Now, is the only time. 731 00:27:34,854 --> 00:27:36,987 - It's now or never for me. 732 00:27:37,056 --> 00:27:38,589 - Be like, if not, I mean, just don't-- 733 00:27:38,658 --> 00:27:41,458 like, we don't need to be in contact, take care. 734 00:27:42,828 --> 00:27:44,128 - I mean, I hate to say it, 735 00:27:44,196 --> 00:27:45,863 but I just don't think they care. 736 00:27:45,931 --> 00:27:48,165 [chime] Oh. Oh! 737 00:27:48,234 --> 00:27:50,267 - Good job. - I can't believe that worked. 738 00:27:50,336 --> 00:27:52,670 Copy in my link. - Oh my goodness. 739 00:27:52,738 --> 00:27:54,371 - Say here. 740 00:27:56,142 --> 00:27:57,141 - Oh! - Read it. 741 00:27:57,209 --> 00:27:58,442 - [groaning] Ohh... 742 00:27:58,511 --> 00:27:59,543 All right. 743 00:27:59,612 --> 00:28:00,778 - Are you ready? 744 00:28:00,846 --> 00:28:02,846 - We'll see. 745 00:28:02,915 --> 00:28:05,049 - He said he's outside your house. 746 00:28:05,117 --> 00:28:06,450 - Right. - And he wasn't there. 747 00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:08,585 So him saying okay, I'll do it, 748 00:28:08,654 --> 00:28:11,355 is not giving me a lot of confidence. 749 00:28:11,424 --> 00:28:12,423 - No. 750 00:28:13,426 --> 00:28:15,626 I hate that it's taking too long. 751 00:28:15,695 --> 00:28:17,261 [chime] - Oh. 752 00:28:18,731 --> 00:28:20,230 - Are you ready? - We'll see. 753 00:28:20,299 --> 00:28:22,232 [groaning] 754 00:28:22,301 --> 00:28:23,434 [chime] - Oh. 755 00:28:23,502 --> 00:28:25,002 - Hey. 756 00:28:27,707 --> 00:28:29,873 - Hello? - Who is this? 757 00:28:29,942 --> 00:28:31,508 - Uh, this is EJ. 758 00:28:31,577 --> 00:28:33,877 - Thank you for talking to us here. 759 00:28:33,946 --> 00:28:35,679 Obviously, there's a lot of questions we have, 760 00:28:35,748 --> 00:28:38,549 but before we sort of start firing away, 761 00:28:38,617 --> 00:28:40,617 I'd love to just give you an opportunity 762 00:28:40,686 --> 00:28:41,885 to introduce yourself. 763 00:28:41,954 --> 00:28:45,489 - Oh yeah. Well, my name's EJ, and I'm 22. 764 00:28:45,558 --> 00:28:46,857 I just wanna start by saying, 765 00:28:46,926 --> 00:28:49,893 I'm sorry for using somebody else's picture. 766 00:28:49,962 --> 00:28:51,962 - That's like the least of my concern, though. 767 00:28:52,031 --> 00:28:54,798 You've gone to some pretty serious extent. 768 00:28:54,867 --> 00:28:56,567 I don't think you realize how much 769 00:28:56,635 --> 00:28:58,435 it's affected me as a person. 770 00:28:58,504 --> 00:29:02,940 - I think this is just the first time 771 00:29:03,008 --> 00:29:05,175 I've really cared about someone. 772 00:29:05,244 --> 00:29:10,714 Before this, I really never dated anybody. 773 00:29:10,783 --> 00:29:13,884 So I don't know how to react to like my emotions, 774 00:29:13,953 --> 00:29:16,520 so they kind of just run wild. 775 00:29:16,589 --> 00:29:19,022 - You claim that you care about me, 776 00:29:19,091 --> 00:29:22,092 but then you have no issues sending screenshots 777 00:29:22,161 --> 00:29:25,763 of pictures that I sent you, trusting you, 778 00:29:25,831 --> 00:29:28,832 to someone that I'm friends with. 779 00:29:28,901 --> 00:29:30,667 How do you tell me that you care about me, 780 00:29:30,736 --> 00:29:32,069 but then you do things 781 00:29:32,138 --> 00:29:34,037 that show you have no respect for me? 782 00:29:34,106 --> 00:29:37,775 - Sometimes, I don't think before I act on stuff. 783 00:29:37,843 --> 00:29:41,311 - Emma, I think you're asking all the right questions. 784 00:29:41,380 --> 00:29:45,449 I am very curious just to clear up a few basic questions. 785 00:29:45,518 --> 00:29:46,984 - Go for it. 786 00:29:47,052 --> 00:29:48,585 - EJ, you run the Instagram account 787 00:29:48,654 --> 00:29:49,987 that Emma's been talking to. 788 00:29:50,055 --> 00:29:52,222 - Yeah. - And is it just you? 789 00:29:52,291 --> 00:29:54,691 you're the only person that she's ever communicated with? 790 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,595 - No, I'm not the only person she's communicated with. 791 00:29:58,664 --> 00:30:00,497 - Okay. So can you clarify that for us? 792 00:30:00,566 --> 00:30:02,099 - Well, I think the biggest person 793 00:30:02,168 --> 00:30:05,469 that she's communicated with is Jake, 794 00:30:05,538 --> 00:30:07,137 the actual guy in the pictures. 795 00:30:07,206 --> 00:30:10,107 He would use the Instagram to cheat on his girlfriend 796 00:30:10,176 --> 00:30:12,543 so he wouldn't have it traced back to him. 797 00:30:12,611 --> 00:30:15,813 - But the picture on your Instagram was of Jake. 798 00:30:15,881 --> 00:30:18,115 So that's not a very good disguise account. 799 00:30:18,184 --> 00:30:19,850 That doesn't seem like it makes sense. 800 00:30:19,919 --> 00:30:22,386 If you're trying to sneakily talk to women as someone else, 801 00:30:22,454 --> 00:30:24,822 why would you have an account with your picture on it? 802 00:30:24,890 --> 00:30:27,524 - Well, his girlfriend is blocked on the page, so-- 803 00:30:27,593 --> 00:30:30,160 - That doesn't really make sense. 804 00:30:30,229 --> 00:30:31,528 Here's where it gets really confusing. 805 00:30:31,597 --> 00:30:33,964 You say you have real feelings for Emma. 806 00:30:34,033 --> 00:30:35,799 Why on earth would you be okay 807 00:30:35,868 --> 00:30:38,502 with Jake talking to Emma, the girl you like? 808 00:30:38,571 --> 00:30:40,971 - He only talked to her a couple of times. 809 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,406 - But you just said a second ago 810 00:30:42,474 --> 00:30:45,609 that the biggest person Emma had talked to was Jake. 811 00:30:45,678 --> 00:30:47,811 - Well, in the--in the-- in the very beginning, 812 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,381 before I actually caught feelings for her. 813 00:30:51,450 --> 00:30:55,018 - And then Kyle stole whose phone? 814 00:30:55,087 --> 00:30:57,387 - My phone. He started texting Emma. 815 00:30:57,456 --> 00:30:59,523 I didn't know about it, and he did some pretty, 816 00:30:59,592 --> 00:31:00,991 you know, [bleep, bleep]. 817 00:31:01,060 --> 00:31:04,394 - Why are you taking all the heat for this then? 818 00:31:04,463 --> 00:31:06,763 - Yeah, where's Kyle and where's Jake? 819 00:31:06,832 --> 00:31:08,398 - Just because they played football, 820 00:31:08,467 --> 00:31:10,968 they didn't wanna be involved or be embarrassed. 821 00:31:11,036 --> 00:31:12,769 - How do you explain the Cameo? 822 00:31:12,838 --> 00:31:14,304 If you know Jake, 823 00:31:14,373 --> 00:31:15,672 then wouldn't you just text Jake and be like, 824 00:31:15,741 --> 00:31:17,608 "Yo bro, can you send me this video 825 00:31:17,676 --> 00:31:19,943 for this girl I'm talking to?" He's your boy. 826 00:31:20,012 --> 00:31:21,778 So you would just hit him up and ask him. 827 00:31:21,847 --> 00:31:24,047 - Yeah, but he wouldn't do that. 828 00:31:24,116 --> 00:31:28,085 - It just doesn't make any sense. 829 00:31:28,153 --> 00:31:30,120 So I'm gonna give you an opportunity 830 00:31:30,189 --> 00:31:32,522 to just try that again, 831 00:31:32,591 --> 00:31:35,058 because Emma doesn't want to have talked to the real Jake. 832 00:31:35,127 --> 00:31:36,393 That's weird. 833 00:31:36,462 --> 00:31:40,330 Also, it involves Jake and I don't want people to think 834 00:31:40,399 --> 00:31:42,466 that he's some sort of weird... - Scumbag. 835 00:31:42,534 --> 00:31:46,837 - Sleaze who's using Finsta accounts to talk to girls. 836 00:31:46,906 --> 00:31:50,140 It's not fair to Jake if that's not true. 837 00:31:50,209 --> 00:31:53,577 So are you sure Jake used your Instagram account 838 00:31:53,646 --> 00:31:54,978 to talk to girls, or is that the story 839 00:31:55,047 --> 00:31:57,547 that you had made up and you're sticking to it? 840 00:31:57,616 --> 00:32:00,083 - No, that's 100% the truth. 841 00:32:03,022 --> 00:32:04,321 - Why don't we get into 842 00:32:04,390 --> 00:32:07,824 what happened with you reaching out to Tyler? 843 00:32:07,893 --> 00:32:10,260 - And telling him that I was dead. 844 00:32:10,329 --> 00:32:11,762 - What was that about? 845 00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:13,897 - I don't really know. 846 00:32:13,966 --> 00:32:14,998 I don't really have an answer for that. 847 00:32:15,067 --> 00:32:17,801 I mean, acting out of anger. 848 00:32:17,870 --> 00:32:19,536 - Why were you so angry? 849 00:32:19,605 --> 00:32:24,441 - Just because I knew that we weren't getting back together, 850 00:32:24,510 --> 00:32:28,879 so I was hurt and I was just acting off my emotions. 851 00:32:28,948 --> 00:32:33,684 - So why don't we explain how Tyler came into possession 852 00:32:33,752 --> 00:32:35,452 of her nudes that you sent him? 853 00:32:35,521 --> 00:32:36,954 Why don't we talk about that part? 854 00:32:37,022 --> 00:32:39,389 - I don't know, I just-- 855 00:32:39,458 --> 00:32:41,692 I was sending them to her friends, so I just felt like 856 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,927 it wouldn't matter 'cause she wouldn't care. 857 00:32:43,996 --> 00:32:46,830 - She wouldn't care if her friend had access 858 00:32:46,899 --> 00:32:48,532 to nude photos of her? 859 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,101 Would you care if your nudes were sent about to your friends 860 00:32:51,170 --> 00:32:53,337 or if someone was selling them? 861 00:32:53,405 --> 00:32:55,605 - I never sold a nude. 862 00:32:55,674 --> 00:32:58,742 - So you were not behind the fake Emma profile that was... 863 00:32:58,811 --> 00:33:00,444 - He was. - Advertising nude photos 864 00:33:00,512 --> 00:33:02,212 of her for sale? 865 00:33:02,281 --> 00:33:05,082 - No. - Then why would you tell her 866 00:33:05,150 --> 00:33:07,050 that you were selling her pictures online? 867 00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:09,086 - Just because she wasn't talking to me 868 00:33:09,154 --> 00:33:12,155 so I just did it just to get her attention. 869 00:33:12,224 --> 00:33:16,626 - That doesn't even begin to touch on the whole Elena... 870 00:33:16,695 --> 00:33:18,161 - Right. Yeah. - Thing. 871 00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:22,165 Which is another account that you made to talk to 872 00:33:22,234 --> 00:33:25,068 and flirt with the guy that Emma was actually dating. 873 00:33:25,137 --> 00:33:28,238 - No. - You're not behind Elena? 874 00:33:28,307 --> 00:33:31,408 - No, I don't know. - Dude, listen. 875 00:33:31,477 --> 00:33:34,311 The number that Emma gave you is our phone, 876 00:33:34,380 --> 00:33:40,050 and when you texted, it came from elenaferriera@[bleep].com. 877 00:33:41,086 --> 00:33:44,087 Why are your text messages coming from Elena Ferriera? 878 00:33:45,758 --> 00:33:48,291 - I can't explain. 879 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,827 - Well, there's a technical explanation, 880 00:33:50,896 --> 00:33:54,564 which is that you are signed in via that email. 881 00:33:54,633 --> 00:33:57,701 I'm not faking it. That's how you contacted us. 882 00:33:57,770 --> 00:34:01,471 [tense music] 883 00:34:01,540 --> 00:34:04,775 - I--I just-- 884 00:34:06,812 --> 00:34:09,646 - Look, EJ, this is awkward for all of us, 885 00:34:09,715 --> 00:34:11,748 and props to you for even... 886 00:34:11,817 --> 00:34:13,550 - Coming forward. - Coming on here. 887 00:34:13,619 --> 00:34:16,620 You've made some decisions that I think you regret. 888 00:34:16,688 --> 00:34:19,189 You've told a lot of lies and you know, 889 00:34:19,258 --> 00:34:22,292 it's uncomfortable to--to sort of own up to that. 890 00:34:22,361 --> 00:34:24,294 But I think what you need to understand is that 891 00:34:24,363 --> 00:34:27,397 we don't necessarily need you to clear this up for us. 892 00:34:27,466 --> 00:34:28,965 We know the truth. 893 00:34:29,034 --> 00:34:32,369 We're giving you an opportunity for your own sake, 894 00:34:32,438 --> 00:34:35,472 so that you can feel better to say it for yourself. 895 00:34:35,541 --> 00:34:37,574 And so that Emma can hear you say it, 896 00:34:37,643 --> 00:34:40,911 and we can see if there's a way to move past the negativity 897 00:34:40,979 --> 00:34:42,846 and find some positive outcome. 898 00:34:44,249 --> 00:34:47,584 - Emma just wants the truth, and she deserves the truth. 899 00:34:47,653 --> 00:34:50,320 - It's time to stop [bleep] us, 900 00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:54,858 stop [bleep] yourself, and just be real. 901 00:34:54,927 --> 00:34:56,927 [intense music] 902 00:34:58,764 --> 00:35:01,098 - Stop [bleep] us, stop [bleep] yourself, 903 00:35:01,166 --> 00:35:02,632 and just be real. 904 00:35:02,701 --> 00:35:05,135 - Are you ready to tell the truth? 905 00:35:06,371 --> 00:35:07,671 - Yeah. 906 00:35:07,739 --> 00:35:10,006 - Okay. Let's start from the beginning 907 00:35:10,075 --> 00:35:12,709 and just give us the truth, and just lay it out. 908 00:35:12,778 --> 00:35:14,711 - How many profiles are out there? 909 00:35:14,780 --> 00:35:19,749 - Right now I only have maybe three. 910 00:35:19,818 --> 00:35:21,485 Maybe three. Yeah. 911 00:35:21,553 --> 00:35:22,953 - So Elena is you? 912 00:35:23,021 --> 00:35:25,188 - Yeah. - Yes. 913 00:35:25,257 --> 00:35:27,624 - Right. - Okay. 914 00:35:27,693 --> 00:35:30,160 - The fake Emma profile is you? 915 00:35:30,229 --> 00:35:31,728 - Yeah. 916 00:35:31,797 --> 00:35:33,897 - And then obviously the profile with Jake's picture 917 00:35:33,966 --> 00:35:35,932 was also you the whole time? 918 00:35:36,001 --> 00:35:37,033 - Yeah. 919 00:35:39,104 --> 00:35:42,205 - Why does your phone number come back to a Tiana [bleep]? 920 00:35:42,274 --> 00:35:43,840 - Oh, because it's my dead name. 921 00:35:48,647 --> 00:35:49,946 - Mm-hmm. 922 00:35:51,950 --> 00:35:52,883 - Mm-mm. 923 00:35:54,219 --> 00:35:58,455 So not a fiancé? You've never been engaged? 924 00:35:58,524 --> 00:36:00,724 - No. - Being that that is 925 00:36:00,792 --> 00:36:02,559 your dead name, we will not be using it again. 926 00:36:02,628 --> 00:36:05,295 Why not tell Emma that 927 00:36:05,364 --> 00:36:08,832 when she asked you about the phone results? 928 00:36:08,901 --> 00:36:14,804 - Just being scared to just be honest and be myself. 929 00:36:14,873 --> 00:36:17,641 - Disclosure is a very difficult thing to do. 930 00:36:17,709 --> 00:36:20,043 That is a very understandable thing. 931 00:36:20,112 --> 00:36:24,748 But your behavior is not. It is pretty appalling 932 00:36:24,816 --> 00:36:27,751 the things that you have put Emma through. 933 00:36:27,819 --> 00:36:30,453 In your quest of being close to her, 934 00:36:30,522 --> 00:36:32,956 you were trying to force Emma's hand 935 00:36:33,025 --> 00:36:35,992 the way that you were sending her nudes out. 936 00:36:36,061 --> 00:36:38,295 You're upset, so you send somebody's pictures out? 937 00:36:38,363 --> 00:36:40,830 You don't have the right to do something like that, 938 00:36:40,899 --> 00:36:43,099 because I'm sure you wouldn't want that done to you. 939 00:36:43,168 --> 00:36:47,304 It is difficult to understand how someone who has decided 940 00:36:47,372 --> 00:36:50,006 to live an authentic life 941 00:36:50,075 --> 00:36:54,177 is leading such an inauthentic life on the side, 942 00:36:54,246 --> 00:36:58,348 doing all of this. Like, come on. 943 00:36:58,417 --> 00:37:01,318 - I think obviously I have anger issues. 944 00:37:01,386 --> 00:37:04,487 So for me, like when I do certain things, 945 00:37:04,556 --> 00:37:07,424 I don't even know that I'm doing them in the moment. 946 00:37:07,492 --> 00:37:10,327 'Cause I'll do it, and then it'll be brought back up to me 947 00:37:10,395 --> 00:37:11,528 and I'm like, "No, I didn't do that." 948 00:37:11,597 --> 00:37:13,797 But I actually did do it. 949 00:37:13,865 --> 00:37:15,332 I sort of just, I don't know, black out 950 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,500 I guess you could say, 951 00:37:17,569 --> 00:37:19,202 - But what brings that anger on? 952 00:37:19,271 --> 00:37:21,137 Was it something about Emma specifically? 953 00:37:21,206 --> 00:37:23,240 - Yeah. Did I do something? - No. No. 954 00:37:23,308 --> 00:37:27,711 Like I was just in too deep, like emotionally. 955 00:37:27,779 --> 00:37:31,581 I think there was just like abandonment issues. 956 00:37:31,650 --> 00:37:35,452 From like childhood to like now, 957 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,522 I don't really understand like how to handle people 958 00:37:39,591 --> 00:37:42,025 just--just leaving, I guess. 959 00:37:42,094 --> 00:37:44,861 - So you think the times when Emma may have threatened 960 00:37:44,930 --> 00:37:47,297 to stop talking to you that could have triggered 961 00:37:47,366 --> 00:37:50,600 sort of that anger or fear of abandonment 962 00:37:50,669 --> 00:37:52,302 and--and then caused you 963 00:37:52,371 --> 00:37:55,071 to retaliate with harsh words or threats? 964 00:37:55,140 --> 00:37:56,406 - Yeah. 965 00:37:56,475 --> 00:37:58,341 - Who do you have to talk to about that? 966 00:37:58,410 --> 00:38:02,145 - Right now, I don't talk to anybody about this stuff. 967 00:38:02,214 --> 00:38:05,015 - Well, I think that it's gonna be vital for you. 968 00:38:05,083 --> 00:38:07,083 It will help you avoid 969 00:38:07,152 --> 00:38:08,918 situations like this in the future. 970 00:38:08,987 --> 00:38:12,255 So before you can have any relationships with anyone, 971 00:38:12,324 --> 00:38:16,993 and before you can truly live in authentic life 972 00:38:17,062 --> 00:38:19,729 you gotta start talking to somebody professionally 973 00:38:19,798 --> 00:38:21,898 about the things that you're feeling on the inside. 974 00:38:21,967 --> 00:38:26,903 Until you unlock some of what's going on in here, 975 00:38:26,972 --> 00:38:29,239 it's gonna fester in your life 976 00:38:29,308 --> 00:38:33,043 and you're never gonna be able to just live freely. 977 00:38:33,111 --> 00:38:35,345 - I agree. - Okay. 978 00:38:35,414 --> 00:38:39,149 - You're not alone, and you deserve to find somebody 979 00:38:39,217 --> 00:38:41,384 who accepts you and loves you for you. 980 00:38:41,453 --> 00:38:43,019 That's what we want for you. 981 00:38:43,088 --> 00:38:45,288 But it's not gonna be with Emma. 982 00:38:45,357 --> 00:38:48,625 You are going to have to let her go. 983 00:38:48,694 --> 00:38:50,593 You are not to text her, hound her, 984 00:38:50,662 --> 00:38:52,429 text anybody in her life. 985 00:38:52,497 --> 00:38:55,932 Send pictures of her to anyone--that is inappropriate. 986 00:38:56,001 --> 00:38:59,736 It's out of [bleep] line. You can't do that anymore. 987 00:38:59,805 --> 00:39:00,904 - I just think at this point 988 00:39:00,972 --> 00:39:03,073 there's been too much damage done 989 00:39:03,141 --> 00:39:06,776 where I--I can't really offer you anything anymore. 990 00:39:08,046 --> 00:39:10,213 I can't be in contact with you. 991 00:39:12,584 --> 00:39:14,284 - That's understandable. 992 00:39:14,353 --> 00:39:16,152 - It would be in everyone's best interest 993 00:39:16,221 --> 00:39:20,123 if you close any existing profiles that you've created. 994 00:39:20,192 --> 00:39:22,125 - And deleting the photos of Emma. 995 00:39:22,194 --> 00:39:23,626 - Please. 996 00:39:23,695 --> 00:39:25,195 - Got it. 997 00:39:25,263 --> 00:39:27,430 - Thank you for coming forward and being honest, 998 00:39:27,499 --> 00:39:32,569 and explaining things to me. It definitely has helped a lot. 999 00:39:32,637 --> 00:39:35,038 I don't think you're necessary a bad person. 1000 00:39:35,107 --> 00:39:37,574 I just think you made bad decisions. 1001 00:39:37,642 --> 00:39:39,376 - Thanks. 1002 00:39:39,444 --> 00:39:41,845 - All right, EJ. - I wish you the best. 1003 00:39:41,913 --> 00:39:43,146 - Good luck. - Take care. 1004 00:39:43,215 --> 00:39:45,415 - Thanks again. - Bye. 1005 00:39:45,484 --> 00:39:48,151 - Oh man. 1006 00:39:48,220 --> 00:39:51,187 - It doesn't feel like it ended on a positive note, 1007 00:39:51,256 --> 00:39:53,790 but it does feel like it ended. 1008 00:39:53,859 --> 00:39:55,125 - No, I was going to say 1009 00:39:55,193 --> 00:39:56,860 it definitely feels like it's ended 1010 00:39:56,928 --> 00:39:58,428 - And now, hopefully, 1011 00:39:58,497 --> 00:40:02,766 you can move forward and meet people in your real life. 1012 00:40:02,834 --> 00:40:06,870 - I appreciate all the help that you guys provided me with. 1013 00:40:06,938 --> 00:40:08,204 - Got your back, girl. 1014 00:40:08,273 --> 00:40:09,639 - Good luck with everything. 1015 00:40:09,708 --> 00:40:11,808 - Thank you, guys. 1016 00:40:11,877 --> 00:40:13,710 - See ya. - Bye. 1017 00:40:13,779 --> 00:40:16,312 - ♪ I been up late thinkin' 'bout you, girl ♪ 1018 00:40:16,381 --> 00:40:18,481 ♪ Thinkin' 'bout you, girl, thinkin' 'bout you, girl ♪ 1019 00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:21,050 ♪ I can't stay here knowin' that it's true 'cause ♪ 1020 00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:23,553 ♪ I know I know I know ♪ 1021 00:40:23,622 --> 00:40:24,888 ♪ We can't go back ♪ 1022 00:40:24,956 --> 00:40:26,556 ♪ ♪ 1023 00:40:26,625 --> 00:40:29,759 ♪ For we both, we both, we both deserve the best ♪ 1024 00:40:29,828 --> 00:40:31,194 ♪ ♪ 1025 00:40:31,263 --> 00:40:32,629 ♪ I wish you well ♪ 1026 00:40:48,447 --> 00:40:49,345 - We got Gabby. She gets this message from Kendrick. 1027 00:40:49,414 --> 00:40:50,880 They get closer and closer. 1028 00:40:50,949 --> 00:40:52,515 - He talked about, "Oh, I wanna be with you." 1029 00:40:52,584 --> 00:40:56,986 But he got shot, and he died. It definitely hit me hard. 1030 00:40:57,055 --> 00:40:58,588 - That's him right there! - What? 1031 00:40:58,657 --> 00:40:59,823 - Can I have a moment? 1032 00:40:59,891 --> 00:41:01,825 - It's like a real life spamming mail. 1033 00:41:01,893 --> 00:41:03,893 [doorbell sound] - Someone here? 1034 00:41:03,962 --> 00:41:06,196 Oh, hello?