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A year ago, Michael slides
into Romeo's DM.
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- He was so generous
and so sweet.
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He saying he want
a future with me,
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but I still haven't seen him
yet.
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- Oh!
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- You see that punctuation?
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- A lot of girls text
with extra spaces.
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Some weird [bleep]
is going down.
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He said, "Sure, is it about
the woman in Philly?"
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- What?
- Ah, what is going on?
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- Oh.
- "I'm not a catfish."
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- What?
[bell chimes]
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- Oh, no.
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- Today is a very big day.
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Nev is in New York.
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Laura's about to pop any day
with baby number three.
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So that means everything today
is my responsibility.
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I will be taking over the reins
at "Catfish" HQ,
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and I will be
running the episode.
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- All right, guys,
I gonna go to work.
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- Bye.
- [laughs]
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- Bye! Love you.
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- Bye. Love you.
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- I'll see you later, okay?
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It's a beautiful early
fall day.
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I'm gonna head in, get set up.
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[upbeat music]
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♪ ♪
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- I've made it
to the "Catfish" HQ.
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Nev, if you're watching this,
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I'm the captain now, okay?
This is my show.
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It's my [bleep].
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[laughs]
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Oh.
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How are you? What's going on?
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- We are officially
on baby watch.
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The nursery room is ready.
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- Well, that's exciting.
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- Kamie, you're welcome
to fly out and join me.
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- I would love to,
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but there's something about
the power that I have here now.
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- Well, let's see how you feel
after you actually have to,
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like, run the computer all day.
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- Yeah, I don't know
about that part.
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- Whenever you wanna start,
we can start.
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- Okay, we got an email here.
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I'm gonna let you read it.
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That way, you're involved.
- Oh, okay.
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- Go ahead.
- All right.
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This is an email
from someone named Romeo.
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- ♪ I need a lover
to keep me safe ♪
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- "Hey, Kamie Kam,
and Nevie Nev.
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I'm in need
of your guys' help."
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- ♪ Play me the classics ♪
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- "I'm 23 years old from Philly
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"and I live in Atlanta now.
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"A year ago,
I still wasn't out,
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"but then a guy named Michael
DM'd me.
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"Something made me respond
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"and it turns out
he was just what I needed
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"when I was afraid to take
the next step with a man.
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I was falling for him quickly."
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- ♪ I just wanna live
in this moment forever ♪
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- "We messaged constantly
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and he motivated me
to live my truth."
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- ♪ Get any better ♪
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- "So earlier this year,
I came out
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and I'm happier
than I've ever been."
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- ♪ Forever ♪
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- "Ever since then,
our relationship has deepened
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and I'm even more in love
than ever."
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- ♪ Oh, my angel ♪
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- "Eventually,
Michael encouraged me
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to move to Atlanta
to be with him."
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Oh, my--wait a second.
"It all sounded crazy,
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"but also like the best idea
I could think of.
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So I did it."
- Oh, God,
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- "But even though I moved
all the way down here,
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Michael and I still haven't
met up or even video chatted."
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- Uh-oh.
- ♪ Tell me a secret ♪
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♪ Baby, I'll keep it ♪
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- "And it's been seven months."
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- ♪ Play house
for the weekend ♪
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- That's crazy.
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- They--what?
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- Oh, my God, wait,
listen to this.
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"A week ago I got a weird
anonymous text
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"saying that Michael isn't
who I think he is.
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"I have no idea who it's from,
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"and I haven't said
anything to Michael yet.
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"At this point I love him,
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but I'm starting
to get impatient."
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Starting?
- Yeah. [laughs]
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- "I need help making sense
of all this."
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- ♪ Angel baby ♪
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- "Thanks, Romeo."
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- I mean,
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is this even,
like, a question?
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- He says, "You can message me
here on my Facebook."
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- Let's message him.
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"Romeo, oh, Romeo!
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"It's Kamie Kam and Nevie Nev.
We just read your email.
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Can you join us in a Zoom?"
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- First message, yay!
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People always
sort of talk about,
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"you should move here"--
he did it,
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but he still
hasn't met Michael.
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Like, how long after you move
to a new state
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to be with someone and they
still don't meet up with you
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do you finally say, like,
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"Ah, I guess
this isn't gonna happen?"
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- Week one.
[bell chimes]
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- Oh! Hey.
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- Hey, Romeo.
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- Hey, Nevie Nev.
Hey, Kamie Kam.
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- What's up? What's up?
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- You look so cute.
I love your red.
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I love your hair.
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- Thank you.
- Wow.
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- How you guys doing?
- We're you doing good.
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How's Atlanta?
- It's great,
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beautiful weather,
nothing more that
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I could ask for,
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but, you know,
always a catch to something.
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- Yeah, tell us the tale.
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- Give us the whole story about
how you first met Michael
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and your whole life,
like up until now.
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- Okay, so I'm 23 years old.
I'm from Philadelphia.
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Growing up in Philly,
it was not easy.
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I was telling everyone
Ithat I was straight
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and I was dating females to
cover up for me being a gay.
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But people would like bully me
and say things to me.
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Things like you act feminine.
Your hair long.
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So I had to fight a lot
to defend myself
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and, you know,
not let anyone pick on me.
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So about a year ago, Michael
had DM'd me on Instagram.
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And I'm like, "Oh, he's cute."
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So I DM'd him back
and then after a while,
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I finally gave him
my phone number.
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So we took to texting.
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He was so generous
and so sweet.
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He's actually like
the first guy that, you know,
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I actually talked to for real,
for real
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He would always tell me,
adon't listen to anyone,
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only God can judge you.
When you ready to come out,
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come out and be your true self
and blossom.
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- So Michael
is someone you would say
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was the key
to helping you come out?
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- Absolutely,
100%, hands down.
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- Wow, which is wild 'cause you
don't even know him, I mean.
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- I know that's true, but at
the same time, I feel like,
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"Oh, I like him a lot."
[laughs]
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- Look at you.
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[laughter]
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Are you in love with him?
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- I'm falling in love with him.
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- Do you guys say "I love you"?
- Yeah, we do.
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He's saying
he want a future with me.
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He saying he wanna
have five kids together.
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So we definitely
talk about the future.
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The only problem is,
I haven't seen him.
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- Mm-hmm.
- He always would tell me,
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"Move to Atlanta.
You could be closer to me.
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We could finally, you know,
see each other.
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We could finally go on dates.
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We could finally do this,
that, and the other.
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But after I moved to Atlanta,
every time I say,
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"Let's see each other,
let's go out,"
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and he'll say
all of these excuses,
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"Oh, I gotta babysit,"
"Oh, I have work"
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So it's frustrating.
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I still haven't seen this man,
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but he's seen everything
on my body from top to bottom.
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- Ooh.
Front, back, side,
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left, right.
- Ahh! [laughs]
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- Does he send you pictures?
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- No, he don't
send me pictures.
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He don't send me nothing.
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- Wait a second,
wo in a year of talking to him,
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the--the only pictures
you've ever seen of him
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are from his Instagram?
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- It's from his Instagram,
yeah.
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- And is he active
on Instagram?
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Does he like post often?
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- So he only had about two
or three pictures up,
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and I did ask him about that.
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I know, I know, Nev, I know!
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- Have you guys even just
talked on the phone?
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- No.
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- A year of not even being able
to get on the phone.
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- That's crazy.
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- Anyone can find a couple
minutes to get on the phone
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and just say, "Hey, what's up?"
- Exactly.
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- And you said in the email
something about
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how someone sent you
a message that says,
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"Michael's not
who you think he is."
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- Mm-hmm.
- What was that all about?
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- I got a text message from--
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I don't know who number it is,
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"The person that you're
talking to, isn't who it is."
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It took me to somebody else
TheInstagram pagenk.
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that says ArQuez,
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but it was pictures of Michael.
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I'm like,
"Oh, maybe, you know, Michael,
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made a new Instagram page.
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- It sounds like someone
sent you the actual person.
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- I pray to God that this is
actually Michael's Instagram.
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Maybe he made a new account
or something.
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- Mm.
- Well, you said he's fine.
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How fine is he is my question?
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- He is fine, fine!
[laughs]
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- Can we see him?
Can you show us?
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- [laughs]
- Yes.
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- Oh.
- Wow.
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- He's cute.
- But this is obviously
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a screenshot
from an Instagram carousel.
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- I know.
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- Can we see some of
your messages with Michael?
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- Okay. Um...
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- "Good night, baby,
I love you so much.
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"You mean the world to me,
no kapp.
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"Just thought you should know.
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"I know I said it
a million times,
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"but I'm so happy, excited,
and proud
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you made it to see 22."
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See that punctuation, Nev?
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- Oh, I do.
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- I find a lot of girls text
with extra spaces
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between the last letter,
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the punctuation,
and the next letter.
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I don't feel like I see
a lot of guys text that way.
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How recent was
your last girlfriend or girl
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that you were talking to before
you started talking to Michael?
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- Like two years ago.
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- Maybe a girl that you started
dating
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before you came out
who really liked you
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was hurt
when you broke up with her,
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when it didn't work out,
and then found out you were gay
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and was like,
"Oh, I still really like him.
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Maybe I can try
to win him back."
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- It maybe could be.
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- Okay, show us the messages
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between you and
the "anonymous" whistleblower.
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- Right here.
- "The person you're talking to
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isn't the person
they say they are."
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Oh, and then
they sent the link.
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- StillArQuez.
- Right, we can look them up.
248
00:09:24,464 --> 00:09:26,531
- ArQuez.
249
00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,034
115,000 followers.
250
00:09:29,102 --> 00:09:30,902
- Yeah.
251
00:09:30,971 --> 00:09:34,072
- This feels like
a pretty legit account.
252
00:09:34,141 --> 00:09:35,774
He's posting all these videos.
253
00:09:35,842 --> 00:09:39,544
If this was Michael, why
wouldn't he FaceTime with you?
254
00:09:39,613 --> 00:09:41,479
I know it's not fun
to think about,
255
00:09:41,548 --> 00:09:44,282
but are you willing
to acknowledge that the chances
256
00:09:44,351 --> 00:09:48,453
that Michael is that guy in
the photos is very, very low.
257
00:09:48,522 --> 00:09:50,555
- I would say like a 50%.
258
00:09:50,624 --> 00:09:52,924
- 50?
- [laughs]
259
00:09:52,993 --> 00:09:56,661
50%. I'm protecting my man.
260
00:09:56,730 --> 00:09:57,862
- I can't.
261
00:09:57,931 --> 00:09:59,864
- Romeo,
if we're gonna help you,
262
00:09:59,933 --> 00:10:02,934
you need to start
accepting the facts.
263
00:10:03,003 --> 00:10:05,403
- But if this isn't Michael,
who is doing it?
264
00:10:05,472 --> 00:10:06,638
It was a year straight.
265
00:10:06,707 --> 00:10:08,306
We exchanged so much, like,
266
00:10:08,375 --> 00:10:10,175
personal information
about each other.
267
00:10:10,243 --> 00:10:13,745
I sent explicit pictures,
like I was saying.
268
00:10:13,814 --> 00:10:15,113
[sighs]
269
00:10:15,182 --> 00:10:16,715
- Well, look,
we already suspect
270
00:10:16,783 --> 00:10:18,049
that the pictures
are some other guy,
271
00:10:18,118 --> 00:10:19,417
but we can certainly
reach out to him.
272
00:10:19,486 --> 00:10:21,419
We can do a little research
on the phone number.
273
00:10:21,488 --> 00:10:23,755
Hopefully, we'll find something
and get closer
274
00:10:23,824 --> 00:10:26,725
to the "real Michael".
275
00:10:26,793 --> 00:10:28,860
- I'm praying to God,
yo, I am.
276
00:10:28,929 --> 00:10:30,862
- We'll be in touch.
- Okay, thank you so much,
277
00:10:30,931 --> 00:10:32,330
you guys.
I really appreciated it.
278
00:10:32,399 --> 00:10:33,732
- Bye.
279
00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:35,734
Oh, Romeo.
280
00:10:35,802 --> 00:10:38,570
- Romeo has convinced himself
so much that this is the guy
281
00:10:38,639 --> 00:10:39,838
that he needs to be with
282
00:10:39,906 --> 00:10:41,373
that when he finds out
it's someone else,
283
00:10:41,441 --> 00:10:44,676
it's going to really pull
the rug out from under him.
284
00:10:44,745 --> 00:10:47,879
- I still have hope that maybe
285
00:10:47,948 --> 00:10:49,681
Romeo can open his heart
286
00:10:49,750 --> 00:10:52,350
to whoever the real Michael is
287
00:10:52,419 --> 00:10:56,254
because it feels like someone
out there really likes Romeo.
288
00:10:56,323 --> 00:10:58,390
We just need to find out
who that is.
289
00:11:11,371 --> 00:11:14,205
- What are you guys doing?
- [laughing]
290
00:11:14,274 --> 00:11:17,175
- You're not allowed in there.
291
00:11:17,244 --> 00:11:19,411
All right, I guess that's fine.
292
00:11:19,479 --> 00:11:21,913
- All right, who wants purple?
Who wants orange?
293
00:11:23,050 --> 00:11:27,786
- Look at that belly--
look at that belly.
294
00:11:27,854 --> 00:11:29,854
both: Aww.
295
00:11:31,425 --> 00:11:32,424
- Let me just take you
on a tour
296
00:11:32,492 --> 00:11:34,659
of everything that is now mine.
297
00:11:34,728 --> 00:11:36,761
All these crafty here is mine.
298
00:11:36,830 --> 00:11:38,596
Mine, mine, mine, mine, mine,
mine, mine, mine, mine.
299
00:11:38,665 --> 00:11:41,366
And guess who's not gonna
take my chocolate today?
300
00:11:41,435 --> 00:11:43,601
Nev, 'cause he's not here.
It's mine.
301
00:11:43,670 --> 00:11:46,571
You see all this?
All these cameras, mine.
302
00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:47,939
We're gonna take
this poster down.
303
00:11:48,008 --> 00:11:50,108
It's just gonna be
a big-ass picture of my face.
304
00:11:50,177 --> 00:11:52,143
We don't even have
a second chair.
305
00:11:52,212 --> 00:11:54,112
Oh.
306
00:11:54,181 --> 00:11:55,413
- All right, Kamie,
are you ready
307
00:11:55,482 --> 00:11:57,215
to do your first investigation
308
00:11:57,284 --> 00:11:59,350
and do all the clicking
and typing
309
00:11:59,419 --> 00:12:01,219
and really take the reins
on this?
310
00:12:01,288 --> 00:12:03,288
- Ready.
Got Romeo.
311
00:12:03,356 --> 00:12:07,225
A year ago, Michael slides
into Romeo's DMs.
312
00:12:07,294 --> 00:12:09,761
He's in Atlanta.
Romeo was in Philadelphia.
313
00:12:09,830 --> 00:12:11,763
Like "You're so cute.
You're so beautiful.
314
00:12:11,832 --> 00:12:13,198
You're so this.
You're so that."
315
00:12:13,266 --> 00:12:14,933
They switch off of Instagram DM
316
00:12:15,001 --> 00:12:17,368
so now they're texting
back and forth.
317
00:12:17,437 --> 00:12:18,803
They're so in love.
318
00:12:18,872 --> 00:12:21,306
Michael has helped Romeo
coming into his own
319
00:12:21,374 --> 00:12:22,741
about his sexuality,
320
00:12:22,809 --> 00:12:27,512
and now Romeo's out
and living as a happy gay man.
321
00:12:27,581 --> 00:12:29,647
Then Michael
starts talking to him
322
00:12:29,716 --> 00:12:32,250
about moving to Atlanta
to be with him.
323
00:12:32,319 --> 00:12:34,152
Romeo is like,
"That's a great idea."
324
00:12:34,221 --> 00:12:35,987
So he decides to move.
325
00:12:36,056 --> 00:12:37,589
That was seven months ago.
326
00:12:37,657 --> 00:12:40,425
Romeo's been in Atlanta,
Michael hasn't met up with him
327
00:12:40,494 --> 00:12:42,427
and it sounds like
a whole bunch of bull [bleep].
328
00:12:42,496 --> 00:12:46,264
- And Romeo got
an anonymous text message
329
00:12:46,333 --> 00:12:48,299
from a mystery whistleblower
who said,
330
00:12:48,368 --> 00:12:50,802
"You think this is Michael,
but the picture are actually
331
00:12:50,871 --> 00:12:52,670
this guy
and here is the Instagram."
332
00:12:52,739 --> 00:12:54,439
- But there's a part of Romeo,
333
00:12:54,508 --> 00:12:56,508
that's still thinks
that it could be that guy.
334
00:12:56,576 --> 00:12:57,942
It's--it's impossible.
335
00:12:58,011 --> 00:12:59,277
- Highly unlikely.
336
00:12:59,346 --> 00:13:02,280
We need a video
from ArQuez saying,
337
00:13:02,349 --> 00:13:04,582
"Hey, Romeo, it ain't me,"
338
00:13:04,651 --> 00:13:05,984
'cause that's the only way
339
00:13:06,052 --> 00:13:08,720
Romeo's ever going to actually
accept that it's not him.
340
00:13:08,789 --> 00:13:10,355
- But even then,
he--he might still--
341
00:13:10,423 --> 00:13:11,856
- Even then, he'll be
like--yeah.
342
00:13:11,925 --> 00:13:12,924
- "He's just trying
to play hard to get.
343
00:13:12,993 --> 00:13:14,325
"He's just in a silly,
goofy mood.
344
00:13:14,394 --> 00:13:15,693
I know him."
- Exactly.
345
00:13:15,762 --> 00:13:18,129
- Okay, Romeo sent a message.
346
00:13:18,198 --> 00:13:19,798
Oh, he so sweet.
347
00:13:19,866 --> 00:13:22,567
He said, "Thanks new friends.
I'm glad you're helping me.
348
00:13:22,636 --> 00:13:24,602
"His name is Michael [bleep]
349
00:13:24,671 --> 00:13:25,904
"and he currently lives
in Atlanta.
350
00:13:25,972 --> 00:13:28,540
"I attached his pic
and that weird text I got.
351
00:13:28,608 --> 00:13:29,874
"His number is this.
352
00:13:29,943 --> 00:13:32,110
"I hope y'all
can solve this mystery.
353
00:13:32,179 --> 00:13:33,812
Thanks, Romeo."
354
00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:35,914
- Yeah, let's start by just
sending that guy a message
355
00:13:35,982 --> 00:13:38,116
so that hopefully
he'll get back to us.
356
00:13:38,185 --> 00:13:39,818
- ArQuez. Okay.
357
00:13:39,886 --> 00:13:45,757
Hey, ArQuez, this is Kamie
from the hit TV show "Catfish."
358
00:13:45,826 --> 00:13:46,958
- Good job.
359
00:13:47,027 --> 00:13:49,093
- Working on a case
360
00:13:49,162 --> 00:13:52,330
and could use your help.
361
00:13:52,399 --> 00:13:54,432
- Bam.
The good news is,
362
00:13:54,501 --> 00:13:56,267
the mystery text
came from a number
363
00:13:56,336 --> 00:13:59,037
that might potentially
be a lead.
364
00:13:59,105 --> 00:14:00,238
- Well, we have this number
365
00:14:00,307 --> 00:14:02,440
and then we have
the informant number.
366
00:14:02,509 --> 00:14:04,509
- Right.
- So let's run the number
367
00:14:04,578 --> 00:14:06,311
for Michael.
368
00:14:06,379 --> 00:14:08,446
- Oh.
- Tramaine.
369
00:14:08,515 --> 00:14:10,315
- Tramaine [bleep].
370
00:14:10,383 --> 00:14:11,883
both: Philadelphia.
371
00:14:11,952 --> 00:14:13,785
- Interesting.
Let's run the number on one
372
00:14:13,854 --> 00:14:16,287
or two other sites just to see
if we get the same names.
373
00:14:16,356 --> 00:14:20,024
- Okay, BeenVerified.
374
00:14:20,093 --> 00:14:21,226
Tramaine.
375
00:14:21,294 --> 00:14:23,161
- Okay.
376
00:14:23,230 --> 00:14:27,565
Oh, look, the number is linked
to a Facebook.
377
00:14:27,634 --> 00:14:30,401
- Oh, West Philadelphia.
378
00:14:30,470 --> 00:14:32,270
- Whoa.
379
00:14:32,339 --> 00:14:33,905
Interesting.
380
00:14:33,974 --> 00:14:36,507
I assumed Tramaine
was a guy's name,
381
00:14:36,576 --> 00:14:39,677
but I guess it's also
a woman's name.
382
00:14:39,746 --> 00:14:43,181
"I'm very laid back,
independent, and a little shy."
383
00:14:43,250 --> 00:14:45,216
[ominous music]
384
00:14:45,285 --> 00:14:46,718
There's not a lot
on this profile.
385
00:14:46,786 --> 00:14:48,553
It looks like
it's pretty buttoned up.
386
00:14:48,622 --> 00:14:51,022
♪ ♪
387
00:14:51,091 --> 00:14:53,091
- Interesting because they
haven't talked on the phone
388
00:14:53,159 --> 00:14:55,960
which also suggests that
maybe it's a girl.
389
00:14:56,029 --> 00:14:57,962
- So that changes things
a little bit.
390
00:14:58,031 --> 00:14:59,831
- Yeah.
- I mean, you did notice
391
00:14:59,900 --> 00:15:02,233
that weird spacing
with the period...
392
00:15:02,302 --> 00:15:05,336
- Mm-hmm.
- Which is often a sign.
393
00:15:05,405 --> 00:15:06,871
- It's a woman
394
00:15:06,940 --> 00:15:09,307
and the fact
that she's in Philly,
395
00:15:09,376 --> 00:15:12,143
suspicious.
396
00:15:13,213 --> 00:15:16,614
We didn't search Cash App.
Oh, you k- Ooh, yeah.didn't do?
397
00:15:16,683 --> 00:15:19,951
Try Michael's number
and see what we get.
398
00:15:20,020 --> 00:15:21,519
- Phone share.
399
00:15:21,588 --> 00:15:25,189
♪ ♪
400
00:15:25,258 --> 00:15:26,491
Nothing.
401
00:15:26,559 --> 00:15:28,860
- Let's search the anonymous
phone number.
402
00:15:28,929 --> 00:15:30,662
- Yeah.
- Who said, "I know you've been
403
00:15:30,730 --> 00:15:33,031
"talking to this guy, Michael.
That's not who he is.
404
00:15:33,099 --> 00:15:34,766
The pictures
are actually this guy."
405
00:15:34,834 --> 00:15:36,134
- Okay.
406
00:15:36,202 --> 00:15:39,337
♪ ♪
407
00:15:39,406 --> 00:15:40,905
- Nothing there.
408
00:15:40,974 --> 00:15:43,107
- But it does say that it's
also a Philadelphia number.
409
00:15:44,644 --> 00:15:47,211
Definitely looking like there's
a Philadelphia connection here.
410
00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:48,880
- Mm-hmm.
- Hmm.
411
00:15:48,949 --> 00:15:51,249
- Should we search the
informant's number in Cash App?
412
00:15:51,318 --> 00:15:53,284
- Yeah.
- Okay.
413
00:15:53,353 --> 00:15:56,421
♪ ♪
414
00:15:56,489 --> 00:15:57,922
- What?
- [gasps]
415
00:15:57,991 --> 00:15:59,090
- Ohh.
416
00:15:59,159 --> 00:16:00,258
- Lanier.
417
00:16:00,327 --> 00:16:03,027
Lanier 1997. He's 23.
418
00:16:03,096 --> 00:16:04,562
- I mean, look,
if this guy is 23,
419
00:16:04,631 --> 00:16:06,264
and he's from Philadelphia,
420
00:16:06,333 --> 00:16:08,666
I feel like there's a very
good chance this informant
421
00:16:08,735 --> 00:16:11,903
and Romeo have crossed paths.
- Mm-hmm.
422
00:16:11,972 --> 00:16:13,204
- Well, let's just look him up.
423
00:16:13,273 --> 00:16:16,240
- Lanier [bleep], Philadelphia.
424
00:16:16,309 --> 00:16:17,709
♪ ♪
425
00:16:17,777 --> 00:16:19,677
- Hmm.
Really, nothing?
426
00:16:19,746 --> 00:16:21,179
- It's weird.
427
00:16:21,247 --> 00:16:23,381
- What about just a Google
search for Lanier [bleep]?
428
00:16:23,450 --> 00:16:25,717
- Mm.
429
00:16:25,785 --> 00:16:29,053
- Oh, look at this.
- Look at that. Lanier A.
430
00:16:29,122 --> 00:16:31,923
- Oh, well,
it's an old Pinterest,
431
00:16:31,992 --> 00:16:34,525
not super helpful.
- [sighs]
432
00:16:34,594 --> 00:16:38,329
- Look this could be someone
who's trying to help Romeo,
433
00:16:38,398 --> 00:16:40,598
who somehow knows
what's going on,
434
00:16:40,667 --> 00:16:43,001
or maybe this is Michael
435
00:16:43,069 --> 00:16:45,970
and he was trying
to end things.
436
00:16:46,039 --> 00:16:50,742
- I don't know, but I think
Lanier [bleep] knows Romeo.
437
00:16:50,810 --> 00:16:53,978
Maybe it's like some big plot
or something.
438
00:16:54,047 --> 00:16:57,181
- Right, Tramaine and Lanier
could be in on it together
439
00:16:57,250 --> 00:16:58,750
for some reason.
440
00:16:58,818 --> 00:17:02,720
- I wonder--Tramaine is
Tramaine following Lanier?
441
00:17:02,789 --> 00:17:04,655
Oh, no.
- All right,
442
00:17:04,724 --> 00:17:05,923
so here's what I think
we should do.
443
00:17:05,992 --> 00:17:08,159
We know ArQuez is the guy
in the pictures.
444
00:17:08,228 --> 00:17:10,094
Hopefully, he'll see our
message and get back to us.
445
00:17:10,163 --> 00:17:13,798
And we know that both numbers
are from Philadelphia.
446
00:17:13,867 --> 00:17:16,234
First number goes back
to this girl Tramaine,
447
00:17:16,302 --> 00:17:18,369
and the number
of the secret informant
448
00:17:18,438 --> 00:17:20,571
leads back
to someone named Lanier.
449
00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,207
So we share that
with Romeo tomorrow,
450
00:17:23,276 --> 00:17:26,310
see what may ring a bell
and between those two things,
451
00:17:26,379 --> 00:17:30,014
we have enough to move forward,
contact "Michael"
452
00:17:30,083 --> 00:17:32,450
and hopefully get him
to spill the beans.
453
00:17:32,519 --> 00:17:36,187
- Hopefully, we can get Romeo
to see the red flags finally.
454
00:17:36,256 --> 00:17:38,256
- Finding out that Michael
isn't the guy in the pictures
455
00:17:38,324 --> 00:17:40,024
will be tough for Romeo,
456
00:17:40,093 --> 00:17:43,294
but if he finds out that
it's someone that he knows,
457
00:17:43,363 --> 00:17:45,229
that could be devastating.
458
00:17:47,500 --> 00:17:49,434
- Are you ready
for another day's work?
459
00:17:49,502 --> 00:17:51,302
[upbeat music]
460
00:17:51,371 --> 00:17:52,570
Let's go, Biggie.
461
00:17:52,639 --> 00:17:54,572
Make sure you clock in.
[dog barks]
462
00:17:54,641 --> 00:17:56,908
You got work to do, Small.
463
00:17:56,976 --> 00:17:58,242
Come on.
464
00:17:58,311 --> 00:18:02,013
Bring back my cohost.
465
00:18:02,082 --> 00:18:04,015
- Look who decided to join us.
466
00:18:04,084 --> 00:18:08,453
- This is my show.
I get to decide the start time.
467
00:18:08,521 --> 00:18:10,088
- Unbelievable.
468
00:18:10,156 --> 00:18:14,759
What I really wanna do
is figure out who Michael is.
469
00:18:14,828 --> 00:18:16,060
- Same.
- Any messages?
470
00:18:16,129 --> 00:18:17,695
- No.
[laughs]
471
00:18:17,764 --> 00:18:19,931
Just an update,
there are no updates.
472
00:18:19,999 --> 00:18:22,400
- How has ArQuez
not written back to us?
473
00:18:22,469 --> 00:18:23,734
- He hasn't written back to us,
474
00:18:23,803 --> 00:18:26,471
which I find to be
a little sus.
475
00:18:26,539 --> 00:18:28,005
- Well, maybe he gets
a lot of DMs
476
00:18:29,375 --> 00:18:34,011
- Also ArQuez in his bio has
adult entertainment service.
477
00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,848
So I think he does porn.
478
00:18:36,916 --> 00:18:37,882
Let's look him up.
479
00:18:37,951 --> 00:18:40,585
ArQuez Twitter.
480
00:18:40,653 --> 00:18:41,986
- What are you looking for,
his Twitter?
481
00:18:42,989 --> 00:18:44,856
'cause that's
where people post nudes.
482
00:18:44,924 --> 00:18:46,324
- Oh, it comes right up.
483
00:18:46,392 --> 00:18:49,927
♪ ♪
484
00:18:49,996 --> 00:18:53,264
Oh, he does have a Twitter.
- What's this?
485
00:18:53,333 --> 00:18:55,133
Ahh! Okay.
486
00:18:55,201 --> 00:18:59,470
♪ ♪
487
00:18:59,539 --> 00:19:02,240
- Okay, so these are some of
the same pictures
488
00:19:02,308 --> 00:19:04,575
that were on his Insta--
489
00:19:04,644 --> 00:19:09,413
Whoa! Bam.
- Wow, wow.
490
00:19:09,482 --> 00:19:10,781
- Ding dong.
491
00:19:10,850 --> 00:19:13,151
[laughs]
492
00:19:13,219 --> 00:19:15,319
Okay, so there--
493
00:19:15,388 --> 00:19:18,222
but this is the point,
there is content.
494
00:19:18,291 --> 00:19:21,125
There is content.
- [bleep]-tent, yeah.
495
00:19:21,194 --> 00:19:22,326
Wow.
496
00:19:22,395 --> 00:19:23,661
- There's a lot of it
497
00:19:23,730 --> 00:19:26,564
and Romeo hasn't seen
any of it.
498
00:19:26,633 --> 00:19:30,067
- Yeah, Romeo definitely
doesn't know about this page.
499
00:19:30,136 --> 00:19:32,770
I mean, Romeo, isn't really
talking to this guy
500
00:19:32,839 --> 00:19:35,339
because this guy
has zero reservations
501
00:19:35,408 --> 00:19:37,141
about sharing dick pics.
502
00:19:37,210 --> 00:19:38,176
All right, so now what?
503
00:19:38,244 --> 00:19:40,912
- Okay, let's text Romeo.
504
00:19:40,980 --> 00:19:42,580
Tell him to hop back in.
505
00:19:42,649 --> 00:19:46,450
"Romeo, oh, Romeo,
506
00:19:46,519 --> 00:19:51,122
"do we have some news for you.
507
00:19:51,191 --> 00:19:53,357
Some weird [bleep] going down.
508
00:19:53,426 --> 00:19:55,026
We've got a pornographic mask.
509
00:19:55,094 --> 00:19:56,894
We've got a woman in Philly
named Tramaine,
510
00:19:56,963 --> 00:19:58,763
who's connected
to Michael's number.
511
00:19:58,831 --> 00:20:00,765
And we found the informant,
Lanier,
512
00:20:00,833 --> 00:20:02,266
who also lives in Philly.
- Right.
513
00:20:02,335 --> 00:20:03,668
- That's a lot
of Philly connections.
514
00:20:03,736 --> 00:20:06,904
So hopefully,
Romeo can shed some light.
515
00:20:06,973 --> 00:20:08,506
[bell chimes]
516
00:20:09,542 --> 00:20:11,242
Hey, Romeo.
- Hey.
517
00:20:11,311 --> 00:20:13,778
- Hey, Kamie Kam.
Hey, Nevie Nev.
518
00:20:13,846 --> 00:20:15,713
- Wow, what's up?
I like the fit.
519
00:20:15,782 --> 00:20:17,415
- Ah, thank you. Y'all see me?
520
00:20:17,483 --> 00:20:19,450
- We see you.
521
00:20:19,519 --> 00:20:21,786
Romeo, how are you feeling
about everything?
522
00:20:21,854 --> 00:20:23,321
- I'm just feeling
a little nervous and--
523
00:20:23,389 --> 00:20:24,522
you know, but let's see.
524
00:20:24,591 --> 00:20:25,790
- Yeah.
- Let's just show you
525
00:20:25,858 --> 00:20:28,292
what we found
and talk our way through it.
526
00:20:28,361 --> 00:20:29,994
- Ready?
527
00:20:30,063 --> 00:20:32,763
- [exhales] I'm ready.
528
00:20:32,832 --> 00:20:34,832
- Okay, so the first thing
we did was look up
529
00:20:34,901 --> 00:20:37,001
ArQuez's Instagram,
which you know
530
00:20:37,070 --> 00:20:39,503
the whistleblower sent you
the link to this account.
531
00:20:39,572 --> 00:20:40,805
So we already know
532
00:20:40,873 --> 00:20:43,874
that that's the real guy
in the photos, ArQuez.
533
00:20:43,943 --> 00:20:47,478
And, you know, we couldn't help
but notice that in his bio,
534
00:20:47,547 --> 00:20:50,147
it says
adult entertainment service.
535
00:20:50,216 --> 00:20:52,650
So we looked into ArQuez
536
00:20:52,719 --> 00:20:54,685
and we did find
his Twitter account
537
00:20:54,754 --> 00:20:56,420
and when we go through that--
538
00:20:56,489 --> 00:20:57,521
- Oh, gee--
539
00:20:57,590 --> 00:21:00,925
Oh, I haven't peeped that.
540
00:21:00,994 --> 00:21:02,760
- The reason that we wanted
you to see this
541
00:21:02,829 --> 00:21:04,829
is because you've been
talking to a guy
542
00:21:04,897 --> 00:21:07,798
for a year and a half who's
been pretending to be this guy.
543
00:21:07,867 --> 00:21:12,770
And he hasn't once, in response
to you sending nudes,
544
00:21:12,839 --> 00:21:15,906
even thought
to send you a nude back.
545
00:21:15,975 --> 00:21:17,008
- Yeah, and that's what
I gonna say.
546
00:21:17,076 --> 00:21:19,110
It clearly--
it shows that he posts,
547
00:21:19,178 --> 00:21:21,512
you know, nudes
and everything on Twitter.
548
00:21:21,581 --> 00:21:23,114
- From our perspective,
549
00:21:23,182 --> 00:21:27,785
it just feels like
Michael is not this guy.
550
00:21:27,854 --> 00:21:29,920
- It's just crazy.
You lie about that,
551
00:21:29,989 --> 00:21:32,990
you can't be trusted.
What else are you lying about?
552
00:21:33,059 --> 00:21:36,193
- Yeah.
553
00:21:36,262 --> 00:21:39,130
So we messaged him,
haven't heard anything back.
554
00:21:39,198 --> 00:21:41,632
Then we decided to run
the phone number
555
00:21:41,701 --> 00:21:43,934
that you gave us for Michael,
556
00:21:44,003 --> 00:21:45,503
that you've been talking
to him on,
557
00:21:45,571 --> 00:21:47,338
and that came back
to someone named
558
00:21:47,407 --> 00:21:50,508
Tramaine [bleep] in Philly.
559
00:21:50,576 --> 00:21:52,109
[tense music]
560
00:21:52,178 --> 00:21:54,612
- Tramaine?
561
00:21:54,681 --> 00:21:56,047
I know, like,
a couple of Tramaine.
562
00:21:56,115 --> 00:21:57,748
A lot of people having
that name in Philly,
563
00:21:57,817 --> 00:21:59,750
but I don't know
the last name [bleep].
564
00:21:59,819 --> 00:22:01,185
- Okay.
Okay.
565
00:22:01,254 --> 00:22:04,422
- So then we ran it
on another site, BeenVerified,
566
00:22:04,490 --> 00:22:07,024
and as you can see, Tramaine
[bleep] comes up again.
567
00:22:07,093 --> 00:22:10,127
- Up again.
- The number came back
568
00:22:10,196 --> 00:22:13,931
with a Facebook attached to it
for Tramaine [bleep]
569
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,200
and this is Tramaine [bleep].
570
00:22:16,269 --> 00:22:19,036
- A female?
- Right.
571
00:22:19,105 --> 00:22:20,204
- I don't know who that--
572
00:22:20,273 --> 00:22:22,006
I don't even know no female
named Tramaine.
573
00:22:22,075 --> 00:22:24,575
- Well, look, you haven't
talked on the phone,
574
00:22:24,644 --> 00:22:26,177
which is suspicious.
575
00:22:26,245 --> 00:22:28,412
Maybe it's because
it's an older woman
576
00:22:28,481 --> 00:22:30,014
and she doesn't sound
like a young man.
577
00:22:30,083 --> 00:22:31,949
That's a possibility.
- Right.
578
00:22:32,018 --> 00:22:33,651
- So the next thing that we did
579
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,655
was ran the informant number
through Cash App.
580
00:22:37,724 --> 00:22:40,958
- Okay.
- This is what came up.
581
00:22:41,027 --> 00:22:42,693
- Let me see--
zoom in on the picture.
582
00:22:42,762 --> 00:22:45,363
♪ ♪
583
00:22:45,431 --> 00:22:47,631
Okay, I know who that is.
584
00:22:47,700 --> 00:22:49,867
Me and him used
to go to school together.
585
00:22:49,936 --> 00:22:52,036
- So wait,
you do know this guy?
586
00:22:52,105 --> 00:22:53,137
- I know of him.
587
00:22:53,206 --> 00:22:54,839
So me and him used
to go to school together.
588
00:22:54,907 --> 00:22:56,907
We did use to follow
each other on Instagram.
589
00:22:56,976 --> 00:22:59,276
He used to like all my pictures
and things like that too.
590
00:22:59,345 --> 00:23:00,745
And he would, like, comment.
591
00:23:00,813 --> 00:23:02,079
He would always say things like
"You're cute,"
592
00:23:02,148 --> 00:23:04,315
and a lot of people that, like,
the wanted me in the past
593
00:23:04,384 --> 00:23:07,785
that, like, I curved,
he was one of them.
594
00:23:07,854 --> 00:23:10,187
So I don't know,
like, him too well,
595
00:23:10,256 --> 00:23:11,589
- The anonymous phone number
596
00:23:11,657 --> 00:23:14,258
that texted you
ArQuez's profile
597
00:23:14,327 --> 00:23:17,528
is registered to Lanier
on Cash App.
598
00:23:17,597 --> 00:23:19,930
- Right.
- And you know Lanier
599
00:23:19,999 --> 00:23:21,866
and you know he liked you.
600
00:23:21,934 --> 00:23:24,869
So that's starting to feel
like Michael is Lanier.
601
00:23:24,937 --> 00:23:26,904
And for some reason,
a couple weeks ago,
602
00:23:26,973 --> 00:23:29,774
he, from another number,
sent you that message
603
00:23:29,842 --> 00:23:31,842
to try and come clean, I guess,
604
00:23:31,911 --> 00:23:34,044
or at least help you understand
605
00:23:34,113 --> 00:23:36,447
that "Michael" isn't the guy
in the pictures.
606
00:23:36,516 --> 00:23:39,283
- My thing is if--if he wanted
to come clean or whatever,
607
00:23:39,352 --> 00:23:41,452
he could have did that
a long, long time ago.
608
00:23:41,521 --> 00:23:43,788
- Well, it's also weird because
if you know this guy,
609
00:23:43,856 --> 00:23:46,724
maybe, you know, you weren't
ready to date guys then,
610
00:23:46,793 --> 00:23:48,159
and he wasn't--
or who knows?
611
00:23:48,227 --> 00:23:50,027
Like, he could've also
just hit you up and be like,
612
00:23:50,096 --> 00:23:51,095
"Hey,
we went to school together.
613
00:23:51,164 --> 00:23:52,730
"I see you're gay
and out now, me too.
614
00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:54,331
Like, we should go out."
615
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,468
- Well, have you ever responded
to his other messages before?
616
00:23:57,537 --> 00:23:59,970
- No.
- And the real question is,
617
00:24:00,039 --> 00:24:02,740
is Lanier definitely
who you've been talking to
618
00:24:02,809 --> 00:24:06,143
or is he ratting someone out,
like Tramaine?
619
00:24:06,212 --> 00:24:08,312
- Whoever he might be,
this worries me
620
00:24:08,381 --> 00:24:09,647
because he played a big role
621
00:24:09,715 --> 00:24:11,849
in a lot of big major events
in my life.
622
00:24:11,918 --> 00:24:13,951
But at the same time,
he could be a serial killer
623
00:24:14,020 --> 00:24:15,252
for all I know.
It's like, I don't like--
624
00:24:15,321 --> 00:24:17,455
what else are you lying about?
[phone chimes]
625
00:24:17,523 --> 00:24:19,356
- Oh, [bleep], wait,
626
00:24:19,425 --> 00:24:21,826
ArQuez just DM'd.
627
00:24:21,894 --> 00:24:23,494
The real guy from the pictures.
628
00:24:23,563 --> 00:24:27,031
- What'd he say?
- Mm...
629
00:24:27,099 --> 00:24:28,466
What?
630
00:24:28,534 --> 00:24:30,034
- Check it out.
631
00:24:30,102 --> 00:24:32,369
♪ ♪
632
00:24:32,438 --> 00:24:35,406
- He said, "Sure, is it about
the woman in Philly?"
633
00:24:35,475 --> 00:24:36,874
- What?
634
00:24:36,943 --> 00:24:38,776
- Oh, what is going on?
635
00:24:40,546 --> 00:24:42,146
- Oh, [bleep], wait,
ArQuez just DM'd.
636
00:24:42,215 --> 00:24:45,249
He said, "Sure, is it about
the woman in Philly?"
637
00:24:45,318 --> 00:24:46,617
- What is going on?
638
00:24:46,686 --> 00:24:49,086
- Write back and say,
"I can explain everything.
639
00:24:49,155 --> 00:24:50,721
Jump in on a Zoom."
640
00:24:51,958 --> 00:24:53,624
- Is he talking about Tramaine?
641
00:24:53,693 --> 00:24:55,926
- Oh, he said, "Sure,
I'm free now for a bit."
642
00:24:55,995 --> 00:24:58,929
- Great.
- Oh, man, here we go.
643
00:24:58,998 --> 00:25:00,631
[bell chimes]
644
00:25:00,700 --> 00:25:03,000
- Hi.
- Hey
645
00:25:03,069 --> 00:25:04,001
- Hey. What's up?
646
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:04,869
- I'm Kamie.
647
00:25:04,937 --> 00:25:06,570
- Hi, Kamie.
- Nev.
648
00:25:06,639 --> 00:25:08,906
- Hi, Nev
- I'm Romeo.
649
00:25:08,975 --> 00:25:10,307
- Hi, Romeo.
650
00:25:10,376 --> 00:25:12,209
- How you doin'?
[chuckles]
651
00:25:12,278 --> 00:25:15,312
- So wait a second,
so Romeo is from Philly
652
00:25:15,381 --> 00:25:17,181
and about a year
and a half ago,
653
00:25:17,250 --> 00:25:19,149
he met somebody online
654
00:25:19,218 --> 00:25:21,519
who was using pictures of you
655
00:25:21,587 --> 00:25:23,153
but said their name
was Michael.
656
00:25:23,222 --> 00:25:26,056
And we wanted
to just confirm with you
657
00:25:26,125 --> 00:25:28,959
that you're not the person
Romeo is talking to.
658
00:25:29,028 --> 00:25:31,896
[tense music]
659
00:25:31,964 --> 00:25:34,398
- I've never seen Romeo,
a day in my life.
660
00:25:34,467 --> 00:25:35,666
- Got it.
661
00:25:35,735 --> 00:25:37,701
- Yeah. Well, I'm sorry.
662
00:25:37,770 --> 00:25:41,038
It's unfortunate
that happened to you.
663
00:25:41,107 --> 00:25:44,808
I understand.
I'd be mad too.
664
00:25:44,877 --> 00:25:46,977
- We're curious, you responded
to Kamie's message,
665
00:25:47,046 --> 00:25:48,712
asking if it had something to
do with some lady in Philly.
666
00:25:48,781 --> 00:25:50,180
What was that about?
667
00:25:50,249 --> 00:25:52,883
- This lady in Philly
has been going crazy
668
00:25:52,952 --> 00:25:55,152
using my pictures
for, like, a very long time.
669
00:25:55,221 --> 00:25:56,887
A lot of people are calling me
telling me,
670
00:25:56,956 --> 00:25:58,455
"Hey, I be talking
to you online."
671
00:25:58,524 --> 00:26:00,658
And I'm like, "I don't know
you," you know what I'm saying?
672
00:26:00,726 --> 00:26:02,593
But someone told me
that they was talking to me
673
00:26:02,662 --> 00:26:04,828
and they found out
it was a lady in Philly.
674
00:26:04,897 --> 00:26:06,664
- You know
what the lady's name was?
675
00:26:06,732 --> 00:26:08,999
Like, somebody named Tramaine?
676
00:26:10,036 --> 00:26:11,569
They just said
it was a lady in Philly.
677
00:26:11,637 --> 00:26:13,037
- Oh, okay.
678
00:26:13,105 --> 00:26:15,239
But obviously,
stuff like this sort of
679
00:26:15,308 --> 00:26:16,473
has happened to you before?
680
00:26:16,542 --> 00:26:18,008
- Yeah, this happens
all the time.
681
00:26:18,077 --> 00:26:21,278
I have to send out so many
DMCAs, download checks,
682
00:26:21,347 --> 00:26:24,748
and all types of stuff,
just to prove that it's not me.
683
00:26:24,817 --> 00:26:25,783
- Right.
- People do all type
684
00:26:25,851 --> 00:26:26,884
of crazy stuff,
and I just like,
685
00:26:26,953 --> 00:26:28,652
what do you do
when the person shows up
686
00:26:28,721 --> 00:26:30,988
and you realize it's not me?
You know.
687
00:26:31,057 --> 00:26:32,256
- Right.
688
00:26:32,325 --> 00:26:34,291
- All right,
well, that's all very helpful.
689
00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:36,627
- I'm glad that you guys
are helping clear this up.
690
00:26:36,696 --> 00:26:37,928
- All right, man.
691
00:26:37,997 --> 00:26:41,098
- Bye.
- Thank y'all.
692
00:26:41,167 --> 00:26:43,701
- Romeo, how are you feeling
about everything?
693
00:26:43,769 --> 00:26:45,135
- Oh, it's just
a lot of thoughts
694
00:26:45,204 --> 00:26:48,138
and things that is
running through my mind so--
695
00:26:48,207 --> 00:26:49,740
- I know, I know.
696
00:26:49,809 --> 00:26:52,876
All right, so look,
the fact that we found a lady
697
00:26:52,945 --> 00:26:56,614
in Philadelphia and that
the first thing ArQuez asks
698
00:26:56,682 --> 00:26:57,715
is, "Is this about that lady
in Philly?"
699
00:26:57,783 --> 00:26:59,550
I feel like there's still
some weird chance
700
00:26:59,619 --> 00:27:01,518
that Tramaine could be
involved,
701
00:27:01,587 --> 00:27:05,356
but then this whistleblower's
number comes back to Lanier
702
00:27:05,424 --> 00:27:07,691
who you've rejected in the past
703
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,593
and that's even
more suspicious.
704
00:27:09,662 --> 00:27:10,928
- Man, I don't know.
705
00:27:10,997 --> 00:27:12,296
My head's just everywhere
right now.
706
00:27:12,365 --> 00:27:13,731
- So what do we wanna do?
707
00:27:13,799 --> 00:27:16,333
- I mean,
whether it's Tramaine or Lanier
708
00:27:16,402 --> 00:27:18,102
or somebody completely random,
709
00:27:18,170 --> 00:27:21,472
I think at this point
we gotta reach out.
710
00:27:21,540 --> 00:27:23,641
- I-I don't know
how you wanna handle this
711
00:27:23,709 --> 00:27:26,210
if you wanna be the one
to contact him,
712
00:27:26,278 --> 00:27:28,479
or if you want for us
to try to first.
713
00:27:28,547 --> 00:27:30,280
- That's fine.
You guys can absolutely,
714
00:27:30,349 --> 00:27:32,249
you know, try to do it first.
715
00:27:32,318 --> 00:27:33,350
- Okay.
716
00:27:33,419 --> 00:27:36,320
I'll text.
717
00:27:36,389 --> 00:27:38,288
"Hey, Michael,
this is Kamie from "Catfish."
718
00:27:38,357 --> 00:27:40,591
"Working on an episode
right now that involves you
719
00:27:40,660 --> 00:27:43,894
and would like to get
some clarity on a few things."
720
00:27:43,963 --> 00:27:45,629
- Yeah, I think that's good.
721
00:27:45,698 --> 00:27:47,331
- Sent.
722
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,134
- Says "Delivered,"
so that's good.
723
00:27:50,202 --> 00:27:53,070
I mean, I don't wanna rush them
but like maybe if you also text
724
00:27:53,139 --> 00:27:56,106
and say like, "Hey, Michael,
really appreciate it
725
00:27:56,175 --> 00:27:57,975
if you could help me
find some clarity."
726
00:27:58,044 --> 00:28:01,512
- Okay, I'll send it to him
really quick.
727
00:28:01,580 --> 00:28:04,882
I just said, "Hey, Michael,
this is Romeo, text Kamie."
728
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:06,150
- All right,
straight to the point.
729
00:28:06,218 --> 00:28:08,318
- Okay.
- Oh, he just read it.
730
00:28:08,387 --> 00:28:10,921
- Should we send another text
now saying like,
731
00:28:10,990 --> 00:28:13,791
"Look, I know you're not
the guy in the pictures,
732
00:28:13,859 --> 00:28:15,125
we just wanna talk."
733
00:28:15,194 --> 00:28:16,627
- Yeah.
734
00:28:16,696 --> 00:28:18,595
- Can you share
your screen, Romeo?
735
00:28:18,664 --> 00:28:20,264
- Yeah.
736
00:28:20,332 --> 00:28:22,132
- "Look, I know you're not
the guy in the pictures
737
00:28:22,201 --> 00:28:25,202
and I just have some questions,
no hard feelings."
738
00:28:25,271 --> 00:28:27,471
- I would like to talk
to you face-to-face.
739
00:28:27,540 --> 00:28:29,139
Can you Zoom call?
740
00:28:29,208 --> 00:28:31,842
♪ ♪
741
00:28:31,911 --> 00:28:33,143
- Oh.
- Oh, he read it.
742
00:28:33,212 --> 00:28:34,378
- Ooh, okay, okay.
743
00:28:34,447 --> 00:28:36,714
He read it.
That's good.
744
00:28:36,782 --> 00:28:38,882
Oh.
- [gasps] What?
745
00:28:38,951 --> 00:28:41,385
- "I'm not a catfish."
746
00:28:41,454 --> 00:28:43,487
- Should I say, like,
we spoke to ArQuez?
747
00:28:43,556 --> 00:28:44,788
- I mean...
- Or should I say,
748
00:28:44,857 --> 00:28:46,557
"Then get on Zoom"?
- Yeah.
749
00:28:46,625 --> 00:28:50,227
[tense music]
750
00:28:50,296 --> 00:28:52,296
- What does that mean,
"I'm not a catfish,."
751
00:28:52,364 --> 00:28:53,397
Okay.
752
00:28:53,466 --> 00:28:55,299
- Oh, you got text bubbles.
753
00:28:55,367 --> 00:28:57,868
♪ ♪
754
00:28:57,937 --> 00:28:59,369
- He said, "Fine, okay."
755
00:28:59,438 --> 00:29:02,172
- All right, so write back now
and say, "Okay, great."
756
00:29:02,241 --> 00:29:04,141
♪ ♪
757
00:29:04,210 --> 00:29:08,445
Yeah, and then
we'll send him the link.
758
00:29:08,514 --> 00:29:10,614
Perfect.
- It say "Delivered."
759
00:29:10,683 --> 00:29:12,349
♪ ♪
760
00:29:12,418 --> 00:29:13,550
[bell chimes]
761
00:29:13,619 --> 00:29:14,618
- Oh.
762
00:29:14,687 --> 00:29:16,553
♪ ♪
763
00:29:16,622 --> 00:29:17,821
- Oh, no.
764
00:29:19,492 --> 00:29:20,491
- What does he mean by,
"I'm not a catfish"?
765
00:29:22,061 --> 00:29:23,393
[bell chimes]
766
00:29:23,462 --> 00:29:25,829
- Oh.
767
00:29:25,898 --> 00:29:28,432
- Hello, hello.
768
00:29:29,902 --> 00:29:31,435
- Lanier, right?
769
00:29:31,504 --> 00:29:33,270
- It's Lanier,
but I go by Michael.
770
00:29:33,339 --> 00:29:35,706
- Wait, you go by Michael
in real life
771
00:29:35,775 --> 00:29:37,941
or just with Romeo?
772
00:29:38,010 --> 00:29:40,344
- No, I go by Michael
in real life.
773
00:29:40,412 --> 00:29:43,413
- Okay, welcome to "Catfish,"
774
00:29:43,482 --> 00:29:45,449
even though you say
you're not a catfish.
775
00:29:45,518 --> 00:29:49,386
- I don't think
that I am a catfish.
776
00:29:49,455 --> 00:29:50,554
- How not?
777
00:29:50,623 --> 00:29:51,388
- As far as the picture,
778
00:29:51,457 --> 00:29:54,458
I felt like it looked like me.
779
00:29:54,527 --> 00:29:58,262
But that was the only thing
that was a lie.
780
00:29:58,330 --> 00:30:00,664
- Okay, well, why don't we
just give you an opportunity
781
00:30:00,733 --> 00:30:03,233
to sort of say whatever your
piece is, explain yourself,
782
00:30:03,302 --> 00:30:04,535
'cause we obviously have
a lot of questions.
783
00:30:04,603 --> 00:30:07,571
- Um, well, I made the account
in middle school
784
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:08,939
before I came out.
785
00:30:09,008 --> 00:30:12,442
I wasn't a really
a social person.
786
00:30:12,511 --> 00:30:16,847
So the page was really mainly
to manage my coming out
787
00:30:16,916 --> 00:30:18,482
but later on,
788
00:30:18,551 --> 00:30:21,118
I started to see Romeo
on Instagram
789
00:30:21,187 --> 00:30:24,054
and it was kinda like,
"I should try to talk to him."
790
00:30:24,123 --> 00:30:27,324
And I DM'd him
from Michael's account.
791
00:30:27,393 --> 00:30:30,227
- But Romeo said that
you had liked and commented
792
00:30:30,296 --> 00:30:33,096
on some of his pictures
at some point as Lanier.
793
00:30:33,165 --> 00:30:36,333
- I probably liked them,
but he didn't reply.
794
00:30:36,402 --> 00:30:37,801
- Michael,
when you first came on,
795
00:30:37,870 --> 00:30:40,671
you said, "The only thing
I lied about was the picture."
796
00:30:40,739 --> 00:30:41,872
- Yeah.
- And obviously we didn't know
797
00:30:41,941 --> 00:30:43,040
that you go by Michael,
798
00:30:43,108 --> 00:30:45,409
so, okay, that--
that makes sense.
799
00:30:45,477 --> 00:30:48,045
But you also said
you lived in Atlanta, right?
800
00:30:48,113 --> 00:30:49,880
So have you been living
in Atlanta?
801
00:30:49,949 --> 00:30:53,283
- So I do go back and forth
from Philadelphia to Atlanta.
802
00:30:53,352 --> 00:30:55,018
I have family in both places
803
00:30:55,087 --> 00:30:56,687
- Okay.
- But I'm from Philadelphia,
804
00:30:56,755 --> 00:30:58,088
originally.
805
00:30:58,157 --> 00:30:59,456
- We found a woman
in Philadelphia
806
00:30:59,525 --> 00:31:01,792
connected to your phone number
named Tramaine.
807
00:31:01,861 --> 00:31:02,926
Do you know that person?
808
00:31:02,995 --> 00:31:04,828
- No, I don't, actually.
809
00:31:04,897 --> 00:31:06,263
- So you did this alone?
810
00:31:06,332 --> 00:31:08,165
- Yeah.
- Have you talked to other
811
00:31:08,234 --> 00:31:10,634
people with the Michael
profile?
812
00:31:10,703 --> 00:31:11,635
- Not really.
813
00:31:11,704 --> 00:31:12,669
When I first made it,
814
00:31:12,738 --> 00:31:15,439
I had a bunch of
different people DM me,
815
00:31:15,507 --> 00:31:18,442
but it only got that far
with Romeo.
816
00:31:18,510 --> 00:31:20,110
- So we went to high school
together.
817
00:31:20,179 --> 00:31:21,178
We knew of each other.
818
00:31:21,247 --> 00:31:22,546
We--we--like what is the point
819
00:31:22,615 --> 00:31:23,814
of you catfishing me?
Like--
820
00:31:23,883 --> 00:31:25,582
- Like I said, I don't
feel like it was catfish.
821
00:31:26,552 --> 00:31:27,684
- What the [bleep]
Ido you mean-
822
00:31:27,753 --> 00:31:28,919
you don't feel like
that's catfish?
823
00:31:28,988 --> 00:31:30,621
- Hold on, hold on.
- So what is it?
824
00:31:30,689 --> 00:31:31,989
- Watch your mouth
'cause what you gonna do
825
00:31:32,057 --> 00:31:34,258
is watch your mouth.
- I ain't doing [bleep].
826
00:31:34,326 --> 00:31:35,492
How do you think
that's okay to do?
827
00:31:35,561 --> 00:31:36,727
Like I'm asking.
828
00:31:36,795 --> 00:31:38,128
- Well, if you shut the [bleep]
up and listen--
829
00:31:38,197 --> 00:31:39,663
- You shut the [bleep] up!
830
00:31:39,732 --> 00:31:40,697
Who the [bleep] you talking--
- If you shut the [bleep] up--
831
00:31:40,766 --> 00:31:42,366
- Anyway, back to you guys,
back--
832
00:31:42,434 --> 00:31:44,134
you want me to answer
your question or not?
833
00:31:44,203 --> 00:31:47,337
- Take--
can we take a time-out?
834
00:31:47,406 --> 00:31:48,739
- You saying that's you
in the picture?
835
00:31:48,807 --> 00:31:50,674
That's what you saying?
You do not look like that.
836
00:31:50,743 --> 00:31:53,410
Fake-ass Whoopi Goldberg.
- You [bleep] fake-ass
837
00:31:53,479 --> 00:31:55,479
wannabe Bow Wow-lookin'-ass
mother [bleep].
838
00:31:55,547 --> 00:31:56,546
- What are you talking about?
839
00:31:56,615 --> 00:31:58,282
You really just catfishing
somebody.
840
00:31:58,350 --> 00:31:59,816
- Listen, you gonna watch
your mother [bleep] mouth.
841
00:31:59,885 --> 00:32:01,118
That's what you gonna do.
842
00:32:01,186 --> 00:32:04,454
- Michael, why are you
being so insulting?
843
00:32:04,523 --> 00:32:05,923
- 'Cause I will not continue
to sit here--
844
00:32:05,991 --> 00:32:07,557
- You deserve to be--
845
00:32:07,626 --> 00:32:09,259
- No, you shut the [bleep] up,
Nev.
846
00:32:09,328 --> 00:32:11,495
- No, you deserve
to eat some [bleep].
847
00:32:11,563 --> 00:32:12,562
- You fake-ass Whoopi Goldberg.
848
00:32:12,631 --> 00:32:14,264
What's up?
Then throw your hands up!
849
00:32:14,333 --> 00:32:16,233
- Don't nobody give a [bleep]
about you.
850
00:32:16,302 --> 00:32:17,768
- This is supposed
to be my show.
851
00:32:17,836 --> 00:32:21,238
- Can we put Michael in
the waiting room for a second?
852
00:32:21,307 --> 00:32:23,273
- I'm confused.
- Nev, it's about time
853
00:32:23,342 --> 00:32:25,509
that you got cussed out
on this [bleep] show.
854
00:32:25,577 --> 00:32:27,978
I'm sick of being
the punching bag on this show.
855
00:32:28,047 --> 00:32:29,112
[laughing]
856
00:32:29,181 --> 00:32:31,081
- This--this guy
is unbelievable.
857
00:32:31,150 --> 00:32:33,483
- You catfishing somebody,
you would think that you would
858
00:32:33,552 --> 00:32:35,886
come in like, you know,
more calmer.
859
00:32:35,955 --> 00:32:37,254
He come in aggressive.
860
00:32:37,323 --> 00:32:39,022
- Yeah.
- He's kinda delusional.
861
00:32:39,091 --> 00:32:40,424
- I ask you one question,
862
00:32:40,492 --> 00:32:41,892
and I still don't know
the answer to it.
863
00:32:41,961 --> 00:32:43,493
Like, what's the point
of you catfishing me?
864
00:32:43,562 --> 00:32:45,662
- I think at this point,
maybe it's best
865
00:32:45,731 --> 00:32:47,898
if Kamie and I
just talk to Michael,
866
00:32:47,967 --> 00:32:50,367
see if we can get him to calmly
answer some questions.
867
00:32:50,436 --> 00:32:52,869
- That would be excellent.
- All right.
868
00:32:52,938 --> 00:32:54,071
- He just texted me.
869
00:32:54,139 --> 00:32:55,872
"I apologize for getting
rattled up.
870
00:32:55,941 --> 00:32:58,809
Can we finish the Zoom call?
I really wanna clear this up."
871
00:32:58,877 --> 00:33:00,744
I'm gonna say, "Okay."
872
00:33:00,813 --> 00:33:01,812
[bell chimes]
873
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,347
We're back.
874
00:33:03,415 --> 00:33:06,984
I think we just kind of need
to start from the beginning.
875
00:33:07,052 --> 00:33:08,285
- Well, I am sorry for,
you know,
876
00:33:08,354 --> 00:33:09,786
coming out of character,
877
00:33:09,855 --> 00:33:13,156
but I will not be disrespected,
not even by you, Nev,
878
00:33:13,225 --> 00:33:14,358
or not by Romeo either--
- Well, okay--
879
00:33:14,426 --> 00:33:15,859
what I was trying to say was,
880
00:33:15,928 --> 00:33:20,230
in this situation,
it would be expected for you
881
00:33:20,299 --> 00:33:23,400
to have to sit
and listen to someone be upset
882
00:33:23,469 --> 00:33:25,836
and possibly even
disrespect you
883
00:33:25,904 --> 00:33:28,805
after the fact that
you've caused this situation.
884
00:33:28,874 --> 00:33:30,941
- Right, and that's--that's
where I got upset
885
00:33:31,010 --> 00:33:33,977
because I'm kinda--I'm still
kinda confused on how--
886
00:33:34,046 --> 00:33:36,713
who are you to tell me what's
fair and what's not fair?
887
00:33:36,782 --> 00:33:38,181
- I'm not telling--
- Romeo's--
888
00:33:38,250 --> 00:33:39,850
Romeo is saying
that it's not fair.
889
00:33:39,918 --> 00:33:42,219
Romeo was asking--he--
the main thing
890
00:33:42,287 --> 00:33:44,221
that he wants to know is why?
891
00:33:44,289 --> 00:33:45,856
Is it revenge?
892
00:33:45,924 --> 00:33:48,125
Were you trying to be malicious
or get back at him
893
00:33:48,193 --> 00:33:49,860
for not talking to you before?
894
00:33:49,928 --> 00:33:54,197
Or do you have
romantic feelings with Romeo?
895
00:33:54,266 --> 00:33:57,901
♪ ♪
896
00:33:59,671 --> 00:34:00,937
- The main thing that
he wants to know is why?
897
00:34:01,006 --> 00:34:02,572
Is it revenge?
898
00:34:02,641 --> 00:34:04,775
Were you trying to be malicious
or get back at him
899
00:34:04,843 --> 00:34:06,576
for not talking to you before?
900
00:34:06,645 --> 00:34:10,847
Or do you have
romantic feelings with Romeo?
901
00:34:10,916 --> 00:34:12,416
♪ ♪
902
00:34:12,484 --> 00:34:14,284
How do you feel about him?
903
00:34:14,353 --> 00:34:17,387
♪ ♪
904
00:34:17,456 --> 00:34:20,257
- I definitely feel like...
905
00:34:20,325 --> 00:34:22,993
I love him.
906
00:34:23,062 --> 00:34:24,694
I kinda just was nervous.
907
00:34:24,763 --> 00:34:27,297
when I was originally--
made the page,
908
00:34:27,366 --> 00:34:28,532
I wasn't out.
909
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:29,699
Michael was more confident.
910
00:34:29,768 --> 00:34:33,570
Michael is also...
more outspoken.
911
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:37,507
Michael is also more outgoing
then Lanier is.
912
00:34:37,576 --> 00:34:39,876
That's kinda why
I still go by Michael.
913
00:34:39,945 --> 00:34:41,344
- So you feel more confident
914
00:34:41,413 --> 00:34:44,881
and more authentically
genuinely you as Michael.
915
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:46,183
- Right.
916
00:34:46,251 --> 00:34:48,051
But I wanted
to come out to him,
917
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,487
and I wanted to tell him
exactly who I was
918
00:34:50,556 --> 00:34:52,222
and see if we can move forward
919
00:34:52,291 --> 00:34:53,890
'cause when I go back
to Atlanta,
920
00:34:53,959 --> 00:34:55,258
I wanna be able to see him
921
00:34:55,327 --> 00:34:58,361
and, you know,
show him that I love him.
922
00:34:58,430 --> 00:35:00,664
- You guys made
a real connection.
923
00:35:00,732 --> 00:35:05,368
He talked about you
as a very important person
924
00:35:05,437 --> 00:35:07,537
who gave him the courage
and strength
925
00:35:07,606 --> 00:35:09,773
and support he needed
to come out.
926
00:35:09,842 --> 00:35:10,807
- Oh, really?
927
00:35:10,876 --> 00:35:12,175
- Yeah.
928
00:35:12,244 --> 00:35:15,412
- Yeah, so I get--so I can
understand why he's so upset.
929
00:35:15,481 --> 00:35:18,315
- Right, so if we could go back
to having Romeo on here
930
00:35:18,383 --> 00:35:20,450
now with you understanding
what he's feeling
931
00:35:20,519 --> 00:35:21,818
and what he's dealing with,
932
00:35:21,887 --> 00:35:23,787
if you could be really gentle
with him
933
00:35:23,856 --> 00:35:25,689
and explain
that your feelings are real
934
00:35:25,757 --> 00:35:27,457
and that he is important to you
935
00:35:27,526 --> 00:35:29,326
and listen to him
and let him express himself,
936
00:35:29,394 --> 00:35:32,529
I think we could make
some--some forward movement.
937
00:35:32,598 --> 00:35:33,597
- Okay.
938
00:35:33,665 --> 00:35:35,465
- Acknowledge
where you [bleep] up,
939
00:35:35,534 --> 00:35:37,000
and let him know what was real
940
00:35:37,069 --> 00:35:38,368
and maybe there'll be some hope
941
00:35:38,437 --> 00:35:40,237
for a relationship
after all this.
942
00:35:40,305 --> 00:35:42,272
- Got it.
Yeah, I can definitely do that.
943
00:35:42,341 --> 00:35:46,009
- Okay, let's bring Romeo
back in.
944
00:35:46,078 --> 00:35:49,346
Romeo, oh Romeo,
945
00:35:49,414 --> 00:35:51,348
come back in the Zoom.
946
00:35:51,416 --> 00:35:53,583
[bell chimes]
947
00:35:53,652 --> 00:35:55,085
Hi, Romeo.
948
00:35:55,154 --> 00:35:56,319
- Hi, Kamie Kam.
949
00:35:56,388 --> 00:35:57,954
- So I think, Romeo,
950
00:35:58,023 --> 00:36:00,557
you were initially feeling
like you had some questions,
951
00:36:00,626 --> 00:36:03,894
but I do think Michael has
things he wants to say to you.
952
00:36:03,962 --> 00:36:06,730
I'm sure you have things
you'd like to discuss.
953
00:36:06,798 --> 00:36:09,966
And I feel like now
we can try and do that.
954
00:36:10,035 --> 00:36:12,536
- Mm-hmm.
955
00:36:12,604 --> 00:36:14,037
So the first question
I wanna know is,
956
00:36:14,106 --> 00:36:17,274
if we knew of each other
in school, what is the point?
957
00:36:17,342 --> 00:36:19,075
Like, why would you catfish me?
958
00:36:19,144 --> 00:36:22,913
- So...
[sighs]
959
00:36:22,981 --> 00:36:24,781
I do love you.
960
00:36:24,850 --> 00:36:27,083
I do love you,
and I do have major,
961
00:36:27,152 --> 00:36:28,318
major feelings for you,
962
00:36:28,387 --> 00:36:30,987
but I was...
963
00:36:31,056 --> 00:36:32,689
nervous, I guess.
964
00:36:32,758 --> 00:36:37,460
You know, we talked about a lot
of personal things and, um...
965
00:36:37,529 --> 00:36:39,729
okay, so let me clear this up
to you
966
00:36:39,798 --> 00:36:41,998
'cause I already
cleared it up to them.
967
00:36:42,067 --> 00:36:44,768
Lanier and Michael
are two different people.
968
00:36:44,836 --> 00:36:48,738
So Michael is more confident,
more--he's more outgoing,
969
00:36:48,807 --> 00:36:50,574
more outspoken, more--
you know,
970
00:36:50,642 --> 00:36:52,709
he's--he's the one
that's on the camera right now.
971
00:36:52,778 --> 00:36:54,711
The reason why
I made the Michael page
972
00:36:54,780 --> 00:36:56,880
and why I keep going
by Michael,
973
00:36:56,949 --> 00:36:58,715
is because that's
who I came out as.
974
00:36:58,784 --> 00:37:00,617
I know I did catfish you
with the pictures,
975
00:37:00,686 --> 00:37:02,352
and I know that
you're probably hurt
976
00:37:02,421 --> 00:37:04,287
or you know, that you feel
some type of way,
977
00:37:04,356 --> 00:37:06,423
but I want you to know, like,
978
00:37:06,491 --> 00:37:07,958
the love that I have for you,
979
00:37:08,026 --> 00:37:09,859
the way that I feel about you,
how much I love you
980
00:37:09,928 --> 00:37:11,494
and the things that I told you
in our messages
981
00:37:11,563 --> 00:37:14,431
and things like that,
like, those are real.
982
00:37:14,499 --> 00:37:16,299
Those are genuine feelings.
983
00:37:16,368 --> 00:37:17,400
You know what I mean?
984
00:37:17,469 --> 00:37:19,002
I was nervous,
and I didn't know
985
00:37:19,071 --> 00:37:23,807
how you would react to me,
necessarily.
986
00:37:23,875 --> 00:37:25,642
You get what I'm saying?
987
00:37:25,711 --> 00:37:26,676
- Okay.
988
00:37:26,745 --> 00:37:28,511
- So I do apologize for you,
you know,
989
00:37:28,580 --> 00:37:30,447
to you for catfishing you
990
00:37:30,515 --> 00:37:32,949
with the--with the pictures
and things.
991
00:37:33,018 --> 00:37:35,619
But like I told Nev and Kamie,
I really--I really do
992
00:37:35,687 --> 00:37:38,255
want us to somehow work,
993
00:37:38,323 --> 00:37:39,823
if--if that's ever possible.
994
00:37:39,891 --> 00:37:41,691
If not, be friends,
'cause like I said,
995
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,660
I am back and forth
from Philly to Atlanta,
996
00:37:43,729 --> 00:37:47,797
but I do want you to actually
get to know who Lanier is.
997
00:37:47,866 --> 00:37:49,666
You get what I'm going--you
get where I'm going with that?
998
00:37:49,735 --> 00:37:52,869
- I don't know, for me, I find
like it still is an excuse
999
00:37:52,938 --> 00:37:55,772
because that still catfish
because you not the person
1000
00:37:55,841 --> 00:37:58,675
that you said that you was
on the pictures.
1001
00:37:58,744 --> 00:38:01,678
So that makes me think,
is he lying about other things?
1002
00:38:01,747 --> 00:38:04,681
For you to lie for that long,
it makes me question
1003
00:38:04,750 --> 00:38:06,683
and think about
a lot of different things.
1004
00:38:06,752 --> 00:38:08,418
- I know it's probably hard
for you to believe now
1005
00:38:08,487 --> 00:38:11,521
'cause of where we are in the--
1006
00:38:11,590 --> 00:38:13,823
you know, in the process,
1007
00:38:13,892 --> 00:38:17,060
but like I said, the love
that I have for you is real.
1008
00:38:17,129 --> 00:38:19,129
And you got every right
to feel, like, hurt,
1009
00:38:19,197 --> 00:38:22,532
betrayed, everything, 'cause
we've talked about some real,
1010
00:38:22,601 --> 00:38:24,567
deep, personal things.
1011
00:38:24,636 --> 00:38:26,403
I feel like me and you
do have a connection.
1012
00:38:26,471 --> 00:38:28,271
Otherwise there wouldn't be
a conversation
1013
00:38:28,340 --> 00:38:30,040
still trying to be had.
1014
00:38:30,108 --> 00:38:32,208
- I don't know, for me,
this is something serious.
1015
00:38:32,277 --> 00:38:34,411
I don't know what's real.
I don't know what's fake.
1016
00:38:34,479 --> 00:38:37,213
I don't know what's a lie.
I don't know what's not a lie.
1017
00:38:37,282 --> 00:38:40,617
I don't know.
1018
00:38:40,686 --> 00:38:44,220
- Are you saying, Romeo,
that you need time to process?
1019
00:38:44,289 --> 00:38:45,955
- Absolutely.
1020
00:38:46,024 --> 00:38:49,826
- Well, you guys have each
other's contact information.
1021
00:38:49,895 --> 00:38:52,962
So I think that
it's safe to say,
1022
00:38:53,031 --> 00:38:55,465
if Romeo wants to get in touch
with you,
1023
00:38:55,534 --> 00:38:57,067
he knows where to find you.
1024
00:38:57,135 --> 00:39:00,537
- Yeah, he knows how to,
you know, get in contact.
1025
00:39:00,605 --> 00:39:02,605
- I'm gonna say one--
just one last thing.
1026
00:39:02,674 --> 00:39:04,407
I don't know
what your lives are like.
1027
00:39:04,476 --> 00:39:06,943
I have no experience
of growing up
1028
00:39:07,012 --> 00:39:09,913
a Black gay man
in Philadelphia,
1029
00:39:09,981 --> 00:39:12,015
but I can tell from
the brief descriptions
1030
00:39:12,084 --> 00:39:14,417
that you guys gave
that it was [bleep] hard,
1031
00:39:14,486 --> 00:39:16,553
and you guys share that
1032
00:39:16,621 --> 00:39:18,855
and that's not something
a lot of people share.
1033
00:39:18,924 --> 00:39:20,924
And on top of that,
you also now share
1034
00:39:20,992 --> 00:39:24,127
a year and a half
of deep, intimate connection.
1035
00:39:24,196 --> 00:39:25,462
All of that considered,
1036
00:39:25,530 --> 00:39:27,397
I think you guys have
a lot more in common
1037
00:39:27,466 --> 00:39:28,798
and a lot more that you share
1038
00:39:28,867 --> 00:39:30,834
than you should be upset about.
1039
00:39:30,902 --> 00:39:33,470
And so whatever happens,
try to just be,
1040
00:39:33,538 --> 00:39:35,772
if nothing else, allies.
1041
00:39:35,841 --> 00:39:38,508
- Right, right, right.
- Absolutely.
1042
00:39:38,577 --> 00:39:41,878
- I do really, really, really
deeply apologize,
1043
00:39:41,947 --> 00:39:43,613
you know, for catfishing you.
1044
00:39:43,682 --> 00:39:47,117
Even if you don't feel like
we can be a thing,
1045
00:39:47,185 --> 00:39:49,319
which, I, you know,
hope for in the future,
1046
00:39:49,388 --> 00:39:51,654
but I know we both
probably gonna need some time,
1047
00:39:51,723 --> 00:39:53,256
you know, to think it over
and things like that,
1048
00:39:53,325 --> 00:39:54,991
but just like I always tell you
in our messages,
1049
00:39:55,060 --> 00:39:57,360
I always got you.
You know what I'm saying?
1050
00:39:57,429 --> 00:39:59,829
You know, just hit me up,
call me.
1051
00:39:59,898 --> 00:40:01,631
- As much as I would love to
see you guys end up together,
1052
00:40:01,700 --> 00:40:03,666
I'm not sure if you would
survive your first argument.
1053
00:40:03,735 --> 00:40:06,803
- I don't know either.
I don't know, you know.
1054
00:40:06,872 --> 00:40:09,973
- I mean, you guys--you guys
are--got short tempers, man.
1055
00:40:10,041 --> 00:40:11,307
- [laughs]
- All right, Michael,
1056
00:40:11,376 --> 00:40:13,810
thank you for taking the time
to explain yourself
1057
00:40:13,879 --> 00:40:16,012
and open up with us
and obviously with Romeo.
1058
00:40:16,081 --> 00:40:18,515
I think that was helpful
for--for all us.
1059
00:40:18,583 --> 00:40:20,550
- No problem. Thank you guys.
I appreciate you.
1060
00:40:20,619 --> 00:40:22,419
Good night guys.
See you later.
1061
00:40:22,487 --> 00:40:26,289
- Later, Mike.
- Oh, my God.
1062
00:40:26,358 --> 00:40:28,658
- Romeo, oh, Romeo,
1063
00:40:28,727 --> 00:40:30,927
what a ride this was.
1064
00:40:30,996 --> 00:40:34,030
- It was crazy,
but he actually do seem cool.
1065
00:40:34,099 --> 00:40:36,166
Maybe we could be,
you know, friends.
1066
00:40:37,602 --> 00:40:40,003
- All right, well, I'm excited
to hear how things turn out.
1067
00:40:40,071 --> 00:40:40,837
- Thank you so much.
1068
00:40:40,906 --> 00:40:42,539
- Bye.
- Bye-bye.
1069
00:40:42,607 --> 00:40:44,641
- ♪ It's about trust ♪
1070
00:40:44,709 --> 00:40:46,242
♪ It's about faith ♪
1071
00:40:46,311 --> 00:40:48,311
♪ It's about all the things
I want ♪
1072
00:40:48,380 --> 00:40:53,983
♪ All the things
I'm not willing to say ♪
1073
00:40:54,052 --> 00:40:56,486
♪ So what you got? ♪
1074
00:41:01,393 --> 00:41:04,527
- I think she could be the one.
-I even went to get a ring
1075
00:41:04,596 --> 00:41:05,895
- A ring?
1076
00:41:05,964 --> 00:41:08,298
Have an address
that's not very far.
1077
00:41:08,366 --> 00:41:09,866
- It's scary, but I'm ready.
1078
00:41:09,935 --> 00:41:11,501
- I won't knock on the door.
1079
00:41:11,570 --> 00:41:12,569
I'll take one of our producers
1080
00:41:12,637 --> 00:41:14,137
because whoever this is,
1081
00:41:14,206 --> 00:41:15,605
will know that
we're onto them.
1082
00:41:15,674 --> 00:41:17,207
Go, John.
- Hey.
1083
00:41:17,275 --> 00:41:18,775
- Hi.
- Is Mercy here?