1 00:00:01,302 --> 00:00:03,936 A year ago, Michael slides into Romeo's DM. 2 00:00:04,005 --> 00:00:05,504 - He was so generous and so sweet. 3 00:00:05,573 --> 00:00:07,373 He saying he want a future with me, 4 00:00:07,441 --> 00:00:09,141 but I still haven't seen him yet. 5 00:00:09,210 --> 00:00:11,043 - Oh! 6 00:00:11,112 --> 00:00:12,378 - You see that punctuation? 7 00:00:12,446 --> 00:00:15,347 - A lot of girls text with extra spaces. 8 00:00:15,416 --> 00:00:16,915 Some weird [bleep] is going down. 9 00:00:16,984 --> 00:00:20,019 He said, "Sure, is it about the woman in Philly?" 10 00:00:20,087 --> 00:00:23,355 - What? - Ah, what is going on? 11 00:00:23,424 --> 00:00:25,157 - Oh. - "I'm not a catfish." 12 00:00:25,226 --> 00:00:29,695 - What? [bell chimes] 13 00:00:29,764 --> 00:00:31,864 - Oh, no. 14 00:00:34,268 --> 00:00:35,934 - Today is a very big day. 15 00:00:36,003 --> 00:00:37,403 Nev is in New York. 16 00:00:37,471 --> 00:00:40,372 Laura's about to pop any day with baby number three. 17 00:00:40,441 --> 00:00:43,776 So that means everything today is my responsibility. 18 00:00:43,844 --> 00:00:47,346 I will be taking over the reins at "Catfish" HQ, 19 00:00:47,415 --> 00:00:50,549 and I will be running the episode. 20 00:00:50,618 --> 00:00:52,451 - All right, guys, I gonna go to work. 21 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,653 - Bye. - [laughs] 22 00:00:54,722 --> 00:00:56,588 - Bye! Love you. 23 00:00:56,657 --> 00:00:58,257 - Bye. Love you. 24 00:00:58,325 --> 00:00:59,491 - I'll see you later, okay? 25 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,994 It's a beautiful early fall day. 26 00:01:02,063 --> 00:01:04,229 I'm gonna head in, get set up. 27 00:01:04,298 --> 00:01:07,199 [upbeat music] 28 00:01:07,268 --> 00:01:09,435 ♪ ♪ 29 00:01:09,503 --> 00:01:12,004 - I've made it to the "Catfish" HQ. 30 00:01:12,073 --> 00:01:13,839 Nev, if you're watching this, 31 00:01:13,908 --> 00:01:16,842 I'm the captain now, okay? This is my show. 32 00:01:16,911 --> 00:01:18,010 It's my [bleep]. 33 00:01:18,079 --> 00:01:19,278 [laughs] 34 00:01:20,548 --> 00:01:21,613 Oh. 35 00:01:21,682 --> 00:01:23,549 How are you? What's going on? 36 00:01:23,617 --> 00:01:26,885 - We are officially on baby watch. 37 00:01:26,954 --> 00:01:28,320 The nursery room is ready. 38 00:01:28,389 --> 00:01:29,721 - Well, that's exciting. 39 00:01:29,790 --> 00:01:32,224 - Kamie, you're welcome to fly out and join me. 40 00:01:32,293 --> 00:01:33,926 - I would love to, 41 00:01:33,994 --> 00:01:37,529 but there's something about the power that I have here now. 42 00:01:37,598 --> 00:01:39,465 - Well, let's see how you feel after you actually have to, 43 00:01:39,533 --> 00:01:41,767 like, run the computer all day. 44 00:01:41,836 --> 00:01:43,469 - Yeah, I don't know about that part. 45 00:01:43,537 --> 00:01:45,170 - Whenever you wanna start, we can start. 46 00:01:45,239 --> 00:01:47,439 - Okay, we got an email here. 47 00:01:47,508 --> 00:01:49,308 I'm gonna let you read it. 48 00:01:49,376 --> 00:01:51,043 That way, you're involved. - Oh, okay. 49 00:01:51,112 --> 00:01:52,411 - Go ahead. - All right. 50 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,646 This is an email from someone named Romeo. 51 00:01:54,715 --> 00:01:57,182 - ♪ I need a lover to keep me safe ♪ 52 00:01:57,251 --> 00:01:59,351 - "Hey, Kamie Kam, and Nevie Nev. 53 00:01:59,420 --> 00:02:01,453 I'm in need of your guys' help." 54 00:02:01,522 --> 00:02:03,055 - ♪ Play me the classics ♪ 55 00:02:03,124 --> 00:02:05,023 - "I'm 23 years old from Philly 56 00:02:05,092 --> 00:02:07,726 "and I live in Atlanta now. 57 00:02:07,795 --> 00:02:10,662 "A year ago, I still wasn't out, 58 00:02:10,731 --> 00:02:14,266 "but then a guy named Michael DM'd me. 59 00:02:14,335 --> 00:02:16,368 "Something made me respond 60 00:02:16,437 --> 00:02:18,670 "and it turns out he was just what I needed 61 00:02:18,739 --> 00:02:22,241 "when I was afraid to take the next step with a man. 62 00:02:22,309 --> 00:02:24,643 I was falling for him quickly." 63 00:02:24,712 --> 00:02:29,414 - ♪ I just wanna live in this moment forever ♪ 64 00:02:29,483 --> 00:02:30,649 - "We messaged constantly 65 00:02:30,718 --> 00:02:33,318 and he motivated me to live my truth." 66 00:02:33,387 --> 00:02:35,220 - ♪ Get any better ♪ 67 00:02:35,289 --> 00:02:37,823 - "So earlier this year, I came out 68 00:02:37,892 --> 00:02:40,125 and I'm happier than I've ever been." 69 00:02:40,194 --> 00:02:41,693 - ♪ Forever ♪ 70 00:02:41,762 --> 00:02:45,264 - "Ever since then, our relationship has deepened 71 00:02:45,332 --> 00:02:49,334 and I'm even more in love than ever." 72 00:02:49,403 --> 00:02:51,637 - ♪ Oh, my angel ♪ 73 00:02:51,705 --> 00:02:53,372 - "Eventually, Michael encouraged me 74 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,275 to move to Atlanta to be with him." 75 00:02:56,343 --> 00:02:58,744 Oh, my--wait a second. "It all sounded crazy, 76 00:02:58,812 --> 00:03:01,747 "but also like the best idea I could think of. 77 00:03:01,815 --> 00:03:03,849 So I did it." - Oh, God, 78 00:03:03,918 --> 00:03:06,218 - "But even though I moved all the way down here, 79 00:03:06,287 --> 00:03:10,289 Michael and I still haven't met up or even video chatted." 80 00:03:10,357 --> 00:03:12,391 - Uh-oh. - ♪ Tell me a secret ♪ 81 00:03:12,459 --> 00:03:13,725 ♪ Baby, I'll keep it ♪ 82 00:03:13,794 --> 00:03:15,761 - "And it's been seven months." 83 00:03:15,829 --> 00:03:17,863 - ♪ Play house for the weekend ♪ 84 00:03:17,932 --> 00:03:18,864 - That's crazy. 85 00:03:18,933 --> 00:03:20,465 - They--what? 86 00:03:20,534 --> 00:03:22,167 - Oh, my God, wait, listen to this. 87 00:03:22,236 --> 00:03:25,470 "A week ago I got a weird anonymous text 88 00:03:25,539 --> 00:03:29,208 "saying that Michael isn't who I think he is. 89 00:03:29,276 --> 00:03:30,742 "I have no idea who it's from, 90 00:03:30,811 --> 00:03:33,512 "and I haven't said anything to Michael yet. 91 00:03:33,581 --> 00:03:35,113 "At this point I love him, 92 00:03:35,182 --> 00:03:36,982 but I'm starting to get impatient." 93 00:03:37,051 --> 00:03:38,984 Starting? - Yeah. [laughs] 94 00:03:39,053 --> 00:03:40,986 - "I need help making sense of all this." 95 00:03:41,055 --> 00:03:42,854 - ♪ Angel baby ♪ 96 00:03:42,923 --> 00:03:46,592 - "Thanks, Romeo." 97 00:03:46,660 --> 00:03:48,260 - I mean, 98 00:03:48,329 --> 00:03:50,896 is this even, like, a question? 99 00:03:50,965 --> 00:03:53,332 - He says, "You can message me here on my Facebook." 100 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:54,933 - Let's message him. 101 00:03:55,002 --> 00:03:57,069 "Romeo, oh, Romeo! 102 00:03:57,137 --> 00:04:00,472 "It's Kamie Kam and Nevie Nev. We just read your email. 103 00:04:00,541 --> 00:04:05,010 Can you join us in a Zoom?" 104 00:04:05,079 --> 00:04:07,779 - First message, yay! 105 00:04:07,848 --> 00:04:09,548 People always sort of talk about, 106 00:04:09,617 --> 00:04:11,350 "you should move here"-- he did it, 107 00:04:11,418 --> 00:04:13,151 but he still hasn't met Michael. 108 00:04:13,220 --> 00:04:16,321 Like, how long after you move to a new state 109 00:04:16,390 --> 00:04:18,190 to be with someone and they still don't meet up with you 110 00:04:18,259 --> 00:04:19,358 do you finally say, like, 111 00:04:19,426 --> 00:04:21,893 "Ah, I guess this isn't gonna happen?" 112 00:04:21,962 --> 00:04:23,362 - Week one. [bell chimes] 113 00:04:23,430 --> 00:04:25,364 - Oh! Hey. 114 00:04:25,432 --> 00:04:26,732 - Hey, Romeo. 115 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:28,400 - Hey, Nevie Nev. Hey, Kamie Kam. 116 00:04:28,469 --> 00:04:29,635 - What's up? What's up? 117 00:04:29,703 --> 00:04:31,870 - You look so cute. I love your red. 118 00:04:31,939 --> 00:04:33,205 I love your hair. 119 00:04:33,274 --> 00:04:35,507 - Thank you. - Wow. 120 00:04:35,576 --> 00:04:36,908 - How you guys doing? - We're you doing good. 121 00:04:36,977 --> 00:04:38,710 How's Atlanta? - It's great, 122 00:04:38,779 --> 00:04:40,879 beautiful weather, nothing more that 123 00:04:40,948 --> 00:04:42,014 I could ask for, 124 00:04:42,082 --> 00:04:44,583 but, you know, always a catch to something. 125 00:04:44,652 --> 00:04:46,551 - Yeah, tell us the tale. 126 00:04:46,620 --> 00:04:49,388 - Give us the whole story about how you first met Michael 127 00:04:49,456 --> 00:04:51,823 and your whole life, like up until now. 128 00:04:51,892 --> 00:04:55,661 - Okay, so I'm 23 years old. I'm from Philadelphia. 129 00:04:55,729 --> 00:04:57,963 Growing up in Philly, it was not easy. 130 00:04:59,099 --> 00:05:00,932 I was telling everyone Ithat I was straight 131 00:05:01,001 --> 00:05:04,803 and I was dating females to cover up for me being a gay. 132 00:05:04,872 --> 00:05:07,806 But people would like bully me and say things to me. 133 00:05:07,875 --> 00:05:10,942 Things like you act feminine. Your hair long. 134 00:05:11,011 --> 00:05:13,845 So I had to fight a lot to defend myself 135 00:05:13,914 --> 00:05:15,947 and, you know, not let anyone pick on me. 136 00:05:16,016 --> 00:05:20,652 So about a year ago, Michael had DM'd me on Instagram. 137 00:05:20,721 --> 00:05:22,721 And I'm like, "Oh, he's cute." 138 00:05:22,790 --> 00:05:25,290 So I DM'd him back and then after a while, 139 00:05:25,359 --> 00:05:27,125 I finally gave him my phone number. 140 00:05:27,194 --> 00:05:28,560 So we took to texting. 141 00:05:28,629 --> 00:05:30,262 He was so generous and so sweet. 142 00:05:30,331 --> 00:05:33,865 He's actually like the first guy that, you know, 143 00:05:33,934 --> 00:05:35,934 I actually talked to for real, for real 144 00:05:37,137 --> 00:05:39,871 He would always tell me, adon't listen to anyone, 145 00:05:39,940 --> 00:05:42,441 only God can judge you. When you ready to come out, 146 00:05:42,509 --> 00:05:45,510 come out and be your true self and blossom. 147 00:05:45,579 --> 00:05:48,347 - So Michael is someone you would say 148 00:05:48,415 --> 00:05:50,949 was the key to helping you come out? 149 00:05:51,018 --> 00:05:53,318 - Absolutely, 100%, hands down. 150 00:05:53,387 --> 00:05:56,088 - Wow, which is wild 'cause you don't even know him, I mean. 151 00:05:56,156 --> 00:05:58,857 - I know that's true, but at the same time, I feel like, 152 00:05:58,926 --> 00:06:00,459 "Oh, I like him a lot." [laughs] 153 00:06:00,527 --> 00:06:02,294 - Look at you. 154 00:06:02,363 --> 00:06:04,963 [laughter] 155 00:06:05,032 --> 00:06:06,665 Are you in love with him? 156 00:06:06,734 --> 00:06:08,700 - I'm falling in love with him. 157 00:06:08,769 --> 00:06:10,802 - Do you guys say "I love you"? - Yeah, we do. 158 00:06:10,871 --> 00:06:12,504 He's saying he want a future with me. 159 00:06:12,573 --> 00:06:14,940 He saying he wanna have five kids together. 160 00:06:15,008 --> 00:06:16,875 So we definitely talk about the future. 161 00:06:16,944 --> 00:06:18,910 The only problem is, I haven't seen him. 162 00:06:18,979 --> 00:06:20,512 - Mm-hmm. - He always would tell me, 163 00:06:20,581 --> 00:06:22,280 "Move to Atlanta. You could be closer to me. 164 00:06:22,349 --> 00:06:24,383 We could finally, you know, see each other. 165 00:06:24,451 --> 00:06:25,617 We could finally go on dates. 166 00:06:25,686 --> 00:06:27,152 We could finally do this, that, and the other. 167 00:06:27,221 --> 00:06:30,355 But after I moved to Atlanta, every time I say, 168 00:06:30,424 --> 00:06:32,524 "Let's see each other, let's go out," 169 00:06:32,593 --> 00:06:34,659 and he'll say all of these excuses, 170 00:06:34,728 --> 00:06:36,661 "Oh, I gotta babysit," "Oh, I have work" 171 00:06:36,730 --> 00:06:38,463 So it's frustrating. 172 00:06:38,532 --> 00:06:41,133 I still haven't seen this man, 173 00:06:41,201 --> 00:06:43,835 but he's seen everything on my body from top to bottom. 174 00:06:43,904 --> 00:06:45,837 - Ooh. Front, back, side, 175 00:06:45,906 --> 00:06:48,206 left, right. - Ahh! [laughs] 176 00:06:48,275 --> 00:06:49,441 - Does he send you pictures? 177 00:06:49,510 --> 00:06:51,042 - No, he don't send me pictures. 178 00:06:51,111 --> 00:06:52,511 He don't send me nothing. 179 00:06:52,579 --> 00:06:54,913 - Wait a second, wo in a year of talking to him, 180 00:06:54,982 --> 00:06:57,249 the--the only pictures you've ever seen of him 181 00:06:57,317 --> 00:06:59,084 are from his Instagram? 182 00:06:59,153 --> 00:07:00,786 - It's from his Instagram, yeah. 183 00:07:00,854 --> 00:07:02,320 - And is he active on Instagram? 184 00:07:02,389 --> 00:07:03,922 Does he like post often? 185 00:07:03,991 --> 00:07:06,525 - So he only had about two or three pictures up, 186 00:07:06,593 --> 00:07:08,226 and I did ask him about that. 187 00:07:08,295 --> 00:07:09,995 I know, I know, Nev, I know! 188 00:07:10,063 --> 00:07:11,930 - Have you guys even just talked on the phone? 189 00:07:11,999 --> 00:07:13,265 - No. 190 00:07:13,333 --> 00:07:15,434 - A year of not even being able to get on the phone. 191 00:07:15,502 --> 00:07:16,968 - That's crazy. 192 00:07:17,037 --> 00:07:19,204 - Anyone can find a couple minutes to get on the phone 193 00:07:19,273 --> 00:07:21,206 and just say, "Hey, what's up?" - Exactly. 194 00:07:21,275 --> 00:07:22,908 - And you said in the email something about 195 00:07:22,976 --> 00:07:26,411 how someone sent you a message that says, 196 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:27,979 "Michael's not who you think he is." 197 00:07:28,048 --> 00:07:29,681 - Mm-hmm. - What was that all about? 198 00:07:29,750 --> 00:07:31,783 - I got a text message from-- 199 00:07:31,852 --> 00:07:33,218 I don't know who number it is, 200 00:07:33,287 --> 00:07:36,188 "The person that you're talking to, isn't who it is." 201 00:07:37,357 --> 00:07:39,591 It took me to somebody else TheInstagram pagenk. 202 00:07:39,660 --> 00:07:40,992 that says ArQuez, 203 00:07:41,061 --> 00:07:42,928 but it was pictures of Michael. 204 00:07:42,996 --> 00:07:45,464 I'm like, "Oh, maybe, you know, Michael, 205 00:07:45,532 --> 00:07:46,832 made a new Instagram page. 206 00:07:46,900 --> 00:07:50,502 - It sounds like someone sent you the actual person. 207 00:07:50,571 --> 00:07:54,339 - I pray to God that this is actually Michael's Instagram. 208 00:07:54,408 --> 00:07:56,575 Maybe he made a new account or something. 209 00:07:56,643 --> 00:07:58,677 - Mm. - Well, you said he's fine. 210 00:07:58,745 --> 00:08:00,412 How fine is he is my question? 211 00:08:00,481 --> 00:08:02,781 - He is fine, fine! [laughs] 212 00:08:02,850 --> 00:08:05,217 - Can we see him? Can you show us? 213 00:08:05,285 --> 00:08:06,351 - [laughs] - Yes. 214 00:08:06,420 --> 00:08:08,119 - Oh. - Wow. 215 00:08:08,188 --> 00:08:10,155 - He's cute. - But this is obviously 216 00:08:10,224 --> 00:08:12,991 a screenshot from an Instagram carousel. 217 00:08:13,060 --> 00:08:14,259 - I know. 218 00:08:14,328 --> 00:08:17,162 - Can we see some of your messages with Michael? 219 00:08:17,231 --> 00:08:19,231 - Okay. Um... 220 00:08:19,299 --> 00:08:21,533 - "Good night, baby, I love you so much. 221 00:08:21,602 --> 00:08:23,768 "You mean the world to me, no kapp. 222 00:08:23,837 --> 00:08:26,404 "Just thought you should know. 223 00:08:26,473 --> 00:08:27,572 "I know I said it a million times, 224 00:08:27,641 --> 00:08:29,641 "but I'm so happy, excited, and proud 225 00:08:29,710 --> 00:08:32,310 you made it to see 22." 226 00:08:32,379 --> 00:08:34,079 See that punctuation, Nev? 227 00:08:34,147 --> 00:08:35,881 - Oh, I do. 228 00:08:35,949 --> 00:08:39,117 - I find a lot of girls text with extra spaces 229 00:08:39,186 --> 00:08:41,019 between the last letter, 230 00:08:41,088 --> 00:08:43,855 the punctuation, and the next letter. 231 00:08:43,924 --> 00:08:46,791 I don't feel like I see a lot of guys text that way. 232 00:08:46,860 --> 00:08:49,594 How recent was your last girlfriend or girl 233 00:08:49,663 --> 00:08:52,497 that you were talking to before you started talking to Michael? 234 00:08:52,566 --> 00:08:53,865 - Like two years ago. 235 00:08:53,934 --> 00:08:56,868 - Maybe a girl that you started dating 236 00:08:56,937 --> 00:08:59,771 before you came out who really liked you 237 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,107 was hurt when you broke up with her, 238 00:09:02,175 --> 00:09:04,075 when it didn't work out, and then found out you were gay 239 00:09:04,144 --> 00:09:06,511 and was like, "Oh, I still really like him. 240 00:09:06,580 --> 00:09:08,613 Maybe I can try to win him back." 241 00:09:08,682 --> 00:09:10,749 - It maybe could be. 242 00:09:10,817 --> 00:09:12,317 - Okay, show us the messages 243 00:09:12,386 --> 00:09:14,686 between you and the "anonymous" whistleblower. 244 00:09:14,755 --> 00:09:16,788 - Right here. - "The person you're talking to 245 00:09:16,857 --> 00:09:18,990 isn't the person they say they are." 246 00:09:19,059 --> 00:09:20,325 Oh, and then they sent the link. 247 00:09:20,394 --> 00:09:24,396 - StillArQuez. - Right, we can look them up. 248 00:09:24,464 --> 00:09:26,531 - ArQuez. 249 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,034 115,000 followers. 250 00:09:29,102 --> 00:09:30,902 - Yeah. 251 00:09:30,971 --> 00:09:34,072 - This feels like a pretty legit account. 252 00:09:34,141 --> 00:09:35,774 He's posting all these videos. 253 00:09:35,842 --> 00:09:39,544 If this was Michael, why wouldn't he FaceTime with you? 254 00:09:39,613 --> 00:09:41,479 I know it's not fun to think about, 255 00:09:41,548 --> 00:09:44,282 but are you willing to acknowledge that the chances 256 00:09:44,351 --> 00:09:48,453 that Michael is that guy in the photos is very, very low. 257 00:09:48,522 --> 00:09:50,555 - I would say like a 50%. 258 00:09:50,624 --> 00:09:52,924 - 50? - [laughs] 259 00:09:52,993 --> 00:09:56,661 50%. I'm protecting my man. 260 00:09:56,730 --> 00:09:57,862 - I can't. 261 00:09:57,931 --> 00:09:59,864 - Romeo, if we're gonna help you, 262 00:09:59,933 --> 00:10:02,934 you need to start accepting the facts. 263 00:10:03,003 --> 00:10:05,403 - But if this isn't Michael, who is doing it? 264 00:10:05,472 --> 00:10:06,638 It was a year straight. 265 00:10:06,707 --> 00:10:08,306 We exchanged so much, like, 266 00:10:08,375 --> 00:10:10,175 personal information about each other. 267 00:10:10,243 --> 00:10:13,745 I sent explicit pictures, like I was saying. 268 00:10:13,814 --> 00:10:15,113 [sighs] 269 00:10:15,182 --> 00:10:16,715 - Well, look, we already suspect 270 00:10:16,783 --> 00:10:18,049 that the pictures are some other guy, 271 00:10:18,118 --> 00:10:19,417 but we can certainly reach out to him. 272 00:10:19,486 --> 00:10:21,419 We can do a little research on the phone number. 273 00:10:21,488 --> 00:10:23,755 Hopefully, we'll find something and get closer 274 00:10:23,824 --> 00:10:26,725 to the "real Michael". 275 00:10:26,793 --> 00:10:28,860 - I'm praying to God, yo, I am. 276 00:10:28,929 --> 00:10:30,862 - We'll be in touch. - Okay, thank you so much, 277 00:10:30,931 --> 00:10:32,330 you guys. I really appreciated it. 278 00:10:32,399 --> 00:10:33,732 - Bye. 279 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:35,734 Oh, Romeo. 280 00:10:35,802 --> 00:10:38,570 - Romeo has convinced himself so much that this is the guy 281 00:10:38,639 --> 00:10:39,838 that he needs to be with 282 00:10:39,906 --> 00:10:41,373 that when he finds out it's someone else, 283 00:10:41,441 --> 00:10:44,676 it's going to really pull the rug out from under him. 284 00:10:44,745 --> 00:10:47,879 - I still have hope that maybe 285 00:10:47,948 --> 00:10:49,681 Romeo can open his heart 286 00:10:49,750 --> 00:10:52,350 to whoever the real Michael is 287 00:10:52,419 --> 00:10:56,254 because it feels like someone out there really likes Romeo. 288 00:10:56,323 --> 00:10:58,390 We just need to find out who that is. 289 00:11:11,371 --> 00:11:14,205 - What are you guys doing? - [laughing] 290 00:11:14,274 --> 00:11:17,175 - You're not allowed in there. 291 00:11:17,244 --> 00:11:19,411 All right, I guess that's fine. 292 00:11:19,479 --> 00:11:21,913 - All right, who wants purple? Who wants orange? 293 00:11:23,050 --> 00:11:27,786 - Look at that belly-- look at that belly. 294 00:11:27,854 --> 00:11:29,854 both: Aww. 295 00:11:31,425 --> 00:11:32,424 - Let me just take you on a tour 296 00:11:32,492 --> 00:11:34,659 of everything that is now mine. 297 00:11:34,728 --> 00:11:36,761 All these crafty here is mine. 298 00:11:36,830 --> 00:11:38,596 Mine, mine, mine, mine, mine, mine, mine, mine, mine. 299 00:11:38,665 --> 00:11:41,366 And guess who's not gonna take my chocolate today? 300 00:11:41,435 --> 00:11:43,601 Nev, 'cause he's not here. It's mine. 301 00:11:43,670 --> 00:11:46,571 You see all this? All these cameras, mine. 302 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:47,939 We're gonna take this poster down. 303 00:11:48,008 --> 00:11:50,108 It's just gonna be a big-ass picture of my face. 304 00:11:50,177 --> 00:11:52,143 We don't even have a second chair. 305 00:11:52,212 --> 00:11:54,112 Oh. 306 00:11:54,181 --> 00:11:55,413 - All right, Kamie, are you ready 307 00:11:55,482 --> 00:11:57,215 to do your first investigation 308 00:11:57,284 --> 00:11:59,350 and do all the clicking and typing 309 00:11:59,419 --> 00:12:01,219 and really take the reins on this? 310 00:12:01,288 --> 00:12:03,288 - Ready. Got Romeo. 311 00:12:03,356 --> 00:12:07,225 A year ago, Michael slides into Romeo's DMs. 312 00:12:07,294 --> 00:12:09,761 He's in Atlanta. Romeo was in Philadelphia. 313 00:12:09,830 --> 00:12:11,763 Like "You're so cute. You're so beautiful. 314 00:12:11,832 --> 00:12:13,198 You're so this. You're so that." 315 00:12:13,266 --> 00:12:14,933 They switch off of Instagram DM 316 00:12:15,001 --> 00:12:17,368 so now they're texting back and forth. 317 00:12:17,437 --> 00:12:18,803 They're so in love. 318 00:12:18,872 --> 00:12:21,306 Michael has helped Romeo coming into his own 319 00:12:21,374 --> 00:12:22,741 about his sexuality, 320 00:12:22,809 --> 00:12:27,512 and now Romeo's out and living as a happy gay man. 321 00:12:27,581 --> 00:12:29,647 Then Michael starts talking to him 322 00:12:29,716 --> 00:12:32,250 about moving to Atlanta to be with him. 323 00:12:32,319 --> 00:12:34,152 Romeo is like, "That's a great idea." 324 00:12:34,221 --> 00:12:35,987 So he decides to move. 325 00:12:36,056 --> 00:12:37,589 That was seven months ago. 326 00:12:37,657 --> 00:12:40,425 Romeo's been in Atlanta, Michael hasn't met up with him 327 00:12:40,494 --> 00:12:42,427 and it sounds like a whole bunch of bull [bleep]. 328 00:12:42,496 --> 00:12:46,264 - And Romeo got an anonymous text message 329 00:12:46,333 --> 00:12:48,299 from a mystery whistleblower who said, 330 00:12:48,368 --> 00:12:50,802 "You think this is Michael, but the picture are actually 331 00:12:50,871 --> 00:12:52,670 this guy and here is the Instagram." 332 00:12:52,739 --> 00:12:54,439 - But there's a part of Romeo, 333 00:12:54,508 --> 00:12:56,508 that's still thinks that it could be that guy. 334 00:12:56,576 --> 00:12:57,942 It's--it's impossible. 335 00:12:58,011 --> 00:12:59,277 - Highly unlikely. 336 00:12:59,346 --> 00:13:02,280 We need a video from ArQuez saying, 337 00:13:02,349 --> 00:13:04,582 "Hey, Romeo, it ain't me," 338 00:13:04,651 --> 00:13:05,984 'cause that's the only way 339 00:13:06,052 --> 00:13:08,720 Romeo's ever going to actually accept that it's not him. 340 00:13:08,789 --> 00:13:10,355 - But even then, he--he might still-- 341 00:13:10,423 --> 00:13:11,856 - Even then, he'll be like--yeah. 342 00:13:11,925 --> 00:13:12,924 - "He's just trying to play hard to get. 343 00:13:12,993 --> 00:13:14,325 "He's just in a silly, goofy mood. 344 00:13:14,394 --> 00:13:15,693 I know him." - Exactly. 345 00:13:15,762 --> 00:13:18,129 - Okay, Romeo sent a message. 346 00:13:18,198 --> 00:13:19,798 Oh, he so sweet. 347 00:13:19,866 --> 00:13:22,567 He said, "Thanks new friends. I'm glad you're helping me. 348 00:13:22,636 --> 00:13:24,602 "His name is Michael [bleep] 349 00:13:24,671 --> 00:13:25,904 "and he currently lives in Atlanta. 350 00:13:25,972 --> 00:13:28,540 "I attached his pic and that weird text I got. 351 00:13:28,608 --> 00:13:29,874 "His number is this. 352 00:13:29,943 --> 00:13:32,110 "I hope y'all can solve this mystery. 353 00:13:32,179 --> 00:13:33,812 Thanks, Romeo." 354 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:35,914 - Yeah, let's start by just sending that guy a message 355 00:13:35,982 --> 00:13:38,116 so that hopefully he'll get back to us. 356 00:13:38,185 --> 00:13:39,818 - ArQuez. Okay. 357 00:13:39,886 --> 00:13:45,757 Hey, ArQuez, this is Kamie from the hit TV show "Catfish." 358 00:13:45,826 --> 00:13:46,958 - Good job. 359 00:13:47,027 --> 00:13:49,093 - Working on a case 360 00:13:49,162 --> 00:13:52,330 and could use your help. 361 00:13:52,399 --> 00:13:54,432 - Bam. The good news is, 362 00:13:54,501 --> 00:13:56,267 the mystery text came from a number 363 00:13:56,336 --> 00:13:59,037 that might potentially be a lead. 364 00:13:59,105 --> 00:14:00,238 - Well, we have this number 365 00:14:00,307 --> 00:14:02,440 and then we have the informant number. 366 00:14:02,509 --> 00:14:04,509 - Right. - So let's run the number 367 00:14:04,578 --> 00:14:06,311 for Michael. 368 00:14:06,379 --> 00:14:08,446 - Oh. - Tramaine. 369 00:14:08,515 --> 00:14:10,315 - Tramaine [bleep]. 370 00:14:10,383 --> 00:14:11,883 both: Philadelphia. 371 00:14:11,952 --> 00:14:13,785 - Interesting. Let's run the number on one 372 00:14:13,854 --> 00:14:16,287 or two other sites just to see if we get the same names. 373 00:14:16,356 --> 00:14:20,024 - Okay, BeenVerified. 374 00:14:20,093 --> 00:14:21,226 Tramaine. 375 00:14:21,294 --> 00:14:23,161 - Okay. 376 00:14:23,230 --> 00:14:27,565 Oh, look, the number is linked to a Facebook. 377 00:14:27,634 --> 00:14:30,401 - Oh, West Philadelphia. 378 00:14:30,470 --> 00:14:32,270 - Whoa. 379 00:14:32,339 --> 00:14:33,905 Interesting. 380 00:14:33,974 --> 00:14:36,507 I assumed Tramaine was a guy's name, 381 00:14:36,576 --> 00:14:39,677 but I guess it's also a woman's name. 382 00:14:39,746 --> 00:14:43,181 "I'm very laid back, independent, and a little shy." 383 00:14:43,250 --> 00:14:45,216 [ominous music] 384 00:14:45,285 --> 00:14:46,718 There's not a lot on this profile. 385 00:14:46,786 --> 00:14:48,553 It looks like it's pretty buttoned up. 386 00:14:48,622 --> 00:14:51,022 ♪ ♪ 387 00:14:51,091 --> 00:14:53,091 - Interesting because they haven't talked on the phone 388 00:14:53,159 --> 00:14:55,960 which also suggests that maybe it's a girl. 389 00:14:56,029 --> 00:14:57,962 - So that changes things a little bit. 390 00:14:58,031 --> 00:14:59,831 - Yeah. - I mean, you did notice 391 00:14:59,900 --> 00:15:02,233 that weird spacing with the period... 392 00:15:02,302 --> 00:15:05,336 - Mm-hmm. - Which is often a sign. 393 00:15:05,405 --> 00:15:06,871 - It's a woman 394 00:15:06,940 --> 00:15:09,307 and the fact that she's in Philly, 395 00:15:09,376 --> 00:15:12,143 suspicious. 396 00:15:13,213 --> 00:15:16,614 We didn't search Cash App. Oh, you k- Ooh, yeah.didn't do? 397 00:15:16,683 --> 00:15:19,951 Try Michael's number and see what we get. 398 00:15:20,020 --> 00:15:21,519 - Phone share. 399 00:15:21,588 --> 00:15:25,189 ♪ ♪ 400 00:15:25,258 --> 00:15:26,491 Nothing. 401 00:15:26,559 --> 00:15:28,860 - Let's search the anonymous phone number. 402 00:15:28,929 --> 00:15:30,662 - Yeah. - Who said, "I know you've been 403 00:15:30,730 --> 00:15:33,031 "talking to this guy, Michael. That's not who he is. 404 00:15:33,099 --> 00:15:34,766 The pictures are actually this guy." 405 00:15:34,834 --> 00:15:36,134 - Okay. 406 00:15:36,202 --> 00:15:39,337 ♪ ♪ 407 00:15:39,406 --> 00:15:40,905 - Nothing there. 408 00:15:40,974 --> 00:15:43,107 - But it does say that it's also a Philadelphia number. 409 00:15:44,644 --> 00:15:47,211 Definitely looking like there's a Philadelphia connection here. 410 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:48,880 - Mm-hmm. - Hmm. 411 00:15:48,949 --> 00:15:51,249 - Should we search the informant's number in Cash App? 412 00:15:51,318 --> 00:15:53,284 - Yeah. - Okay. 413 00:15:53,353 --> 00:15:56,421 ♪ ♪ 414 00:15:56,489 --> 00:15:57,922 - What? - [gasps] 415 00:15:57,991 --> 00:15:59,090 - Ohh. 416 00:15:59,159 --> 00:16:00,258 - Lanier. 417 00:16:00,327 --> 00:16:03,027 Lanier 1997. He's 23. 418 00:16:03,096 --> 00:16:04,562 - I mean, look, if this guy is 23, 419 00:16:04,631 --> 00:16:06,264 and he's from Philadelphia, 420 00:16:06,333 --> 00:16:08,666 I feel like there's a very good chance this informant 421 00:16:08,735 --> 00:16:11,903 and Romeo have crossed paths. - Mm-hmm. 422 00:16:11,972 --> 00:16:13,204 - Well, let's just look him up. 423 00:16:13,273 --> 00:16:16,240 - Lanier [bleep], Philadelphia. 424 00:16:16,309 --> 00:16:17,709 ♪ ♪ 425 00:16:17,777 --> 00:16:19,677 - Hmm. Really, nothing? 426 00:16:19,746 --> 00:16:21,179 - It's weird. 427 00:16:21,247 --> 00:16:23,381 - What about just a Google search for Lanier [bleep]? 428 00:16:23,450 --> 00:16:25,717 - Mm. 429 00:16:25,785 --> 00:16:29,053 - Oh, look at this. - Look at that. Lanier A. 430 00:16:29,122 --> 00:16:31,923 - Oh, well, it's an old Pinterest, 431 00:16:31,992 --> 00:16:34,525 not super helpful. - [sighs] 432 00:16:34,594 --> 00:16:38,329 - Look this could be someone who's trying to help Romeo, 433 00:16:38,398 --> 00:16:40,598 who somehow knows what's going on, 434 00:16:40,667 --> 00:16:43,001 or maybe this is Michael 435 00:16:43,069 --> 00:16:45,970 and he was trying to end things. 436 00:16:46,039 --> 00:16:50,742 - I don't know, but I think Lanier [bleep] knows Romeo. 437 00:16:50,810 --> 00:16:53,978 Maybe it's like some big plot or something. 438 00:16:54,047 --> 00:16:57,181 - Right, Tramaine and Lanier could be in on it together 439 00:16:57,250 --> 00:16:58,750 for some reason. 440 00:16:58,818 --> 00:17:02,720 - I wonder--Tramaine is Tramaine following Lanier? 441 00:17:02,789 --> 00:17:04,655 Oh, no. - All right, 442 00:17:04,724 --> 00:17:05,923 so here's what I think we should do. 443 00:17:05,992 --> 00:17:08,159 We know ArQuez is the guy in the pictures. 444 00:17:08,228 --> 00:17:10,094 Hopefully, he'll see our message and get back to us. 445 00:17:10,163 --> 00:17:13,798 And we know that both numbers are from Philadelphia. 446 00:17:13,867 --> 00:17:16,234 First number goes back to this girl Tramaine, 447 00:17:16,302 --> 00:17:18,369 and the number of the secret informant 448 00:17:18,438 --> 00:17:20,571 leads back to someone named Lanier. 449 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,207 So we share that with Romeo tomorrow, 450 00:17:23,276 --> 00:17:26,310 see what may ring a bell and between those two things, 451 00:17:26,379 --> 00:17:30,014 we have enough to move forward, contact "Michael" 452 00:17:30,083 --> 00:17:32,450 and hopefully get him to spill the beans. 453 00:17:32,519 --> 00:17:36,187 - Hopefully, we can get Romeo to see the red flags finally. 454 00:17:36,256 --> 00:17:38,256 - Finding out that Michael isn't the guy in the pictures 455 00:17:38,324 --> 00:17:40,024 will be tough for Romeo, 456 00:17:40,093 --> 00:17:43,294 but if he finds out that it's someone that he knows, 457 00:17:43,363 --> 00:17:45,229 that could be devastating. 458 00:17:47,500 --> 00:17:49,434 - Are you ready for another day's work? 459 00:17:49,502 --> 00:17:51,302 [upbeat music] 460 00:17:51,371 --> 00:17:52,570 Let's go, Biggie. 461 00:17:52,639 --> 00:17:54,572 Make sure you clock in. [dog barks] 462 00:17:54,641 --> 00:17:56,908 You got work to do, Small. 463 00:17:56,976 --> 00:17:58,242 Come on. 464 00:17:58,311 --> 00:18:02,013 Bring back my cohost. 465 00:18:02,082 --> 00:18:04,015 - Look who decided to join us. 466 00:18:04,084 --> 00:18:08,453 - This is my show. I get to decide the start time. 467 00:18:08,521 --> 00:18:10,088 - Unbelievable. 468 00:18:10,156 --> 00:18:14,759 What I really wanna do is figure out who Michael is. 469 00:18:14,828 --> 00:18:16,060 - Same. - Any messages? 470 00:18:16,129 --> 00:18:17,695 - No. [laughs] 471 00:18:17,764 --> 00:18:19,931 Just an update, there are no updates. 472 00:18:19,999 --> 00:18:22,400 - How has ArQuez not written back to us? 473 00:18:22,469 --> 00:18:23,734 - He hasn't written back to us, 474 00:18:23,803 --> 00:18:26,471 which I find to be a little sus. 475 00:18:26,539 --> 00:18:28,005 - Well, maybe he gets a lot of DMs 476 00:18:29,375 --> 00:18:34,011 - Also ArQuez in his bio has adult entertainment service. 477 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,848 So I think he does porn. 478 00:18:36,916 --> 00:18:37,882 Let's look him up. 479 00:18:37,951 --> 00:18:40,585 ArQuez Twitter. 480 00:18:40,653 --> 00:18:41,986 - What are you looking for, his Twitter? 481 00:18:42,989 --> 00:18:44,856 'cause that's where people post nudes. 482 00:18:44,924 --> 00:18:46,324 - Oh, it comes right up. 483 00:18:46,392 --> 00:18:49,927 ♪ ♪ 484 00:18:49,996 --> 00:18:53,264 Oh, he does have a Twitter. - What's this? 485 00:18:53,333 --> 00:18:55,133 Ahh! Okay. 486 00:18:55,201 --> 00:18:59,470 ♪ ♪ 487 00:18:59,539 --> 00:19:02,240 - Okay, so these are some of the same pictures 488 00:19:02,308 --> 00:19:04,575 that were on his Insta-- 489 00:19:04,644 --> 00:19:09,413 Whoa! Bam. - Wow, wow. 490 00:19:09,482 --> 00:19:10,781 - Ding dong. 491 00:19:10,850 --> 00:19:13,151 [laughs] 492 00:19:13,219 --> 00:19:15,319 Okay, so there-- 493 00:19:15,388 --> 00:19:18,222 but this is the point, there is content. 494 00:19:18,291 --> 00:19:21,125 There is content. - [bleep]-tent, yeah. 495 00:19:21,194 --> 00:19:22,326 Wow. 496 00:19:22,395 --> 00:19:23,661 - There's a lot of it 497 00:19:23,730 --> 00:19:26,564 and Romeo hasn't seen any of it. 498 00:19:26,633 --> 00:19:30,067 - Yeah, Romeo definitely doesn't know about this page. 499 00:19:30,136 --> 00:19:32,770 I mean, Romeo, isn't really talking to this guy 500 00:19:32,839 --> 00:19:35,339 because this guy has zero reservations 501 00:19:35,408 --> 00:19:37,141 about sharing dick pics. 502 00:19:37,210 --> 00:19:38,176 All right, so now what? 503 00:19:38,244 --> 00:19:40,912 - Okay, let's text Romeo. 504 00:19:40,980 --> 00:19:42,580 Tell him to hop back in. 505 00:19:42,649 --> 00:19:46,450 "Romeo, oh, Romeo, 506 00:19:46,519 --> 00:19:51,122 "do we have some news for you. 507 00:19:51,191 --> 00:19:53,357 Some weird [bleep] going down. 508 00:19:53,426 --> 00:19:55,026 We've got a pornographic mask. 509 00:19:55,094 --> 00:19:56,894 We've got a woman in Philly named Tramaine, 510 00:19:56,963 --> 00:19:58,763 who's connected to Michael's number. 511 00:19:58,831 --> 00:20:00,765 And we found the informant, Lanier, 512 00:20:00,833 --> 00:20:02,266 who also lives in Philly. - Right. 513 00:20:02,335 --> 00:20:03,668 - That's a lot of Philly connections. 514 00:20:03,736 --> 00:20:06,904 So hopefully, Romeo can shed some light. 515 00:20:06,973 --> 00:20:08,506 [bell chimes] 516 00:20:09,542 --> 00:20:11,242 Hey, Romeo. - Hey. 517 00:20:11,311 --> 00:20:13,778 - Hey, Kamie Kam. Hey, Nevie Nev. 518 00:20:13,846 --> 00:20:15,713 - Wow, what's up? I like the fit. 519 00:20:15,782 --> 00:20:17,415 - Ah, thank you. Y'all see me? 520 00:20:17,483 --> 00:20:19,450 - We see you. 521 00:20:19,519 --> 00:20:21,786 Romeo, how are you feeling about everything? 522 00:20:21,854 --> 00:20:23,321 - I'm just feeling a little nervous and-- 523 00:20:23,389 --> 00:20:24,522 you know, but let's see. 524 00:20:24,591 --> 00:20:25,790 - Yeah. - Let's just show you 525 00:20:25,858 --> 00:20:28,292 what we found and talk our way through it. 526 00:20:28,361 --> 00:20:29,994 - Ready? 527 00:20:30,063 --> 00:20:32,763 - [exhales] I'm ready. 528 00:20:32,832 --> 00:20:34,832 - Okay, so the first thing we did was look up 529 00:20:34,901 --> 00:20:37,001 ArQuez's Instagram, which you know 530 00:20:37,070 --> 00:20:39,503 the whistleblower sent you the link to this account. 531 00:20:39,572 --> 00:20:40,805 So we already know 532 00:20:40,873 --> 00:20:43,874 that that's the real guy in the photos, ArQuez. 533 00:20:43,943 --> 00:20:47,478 And, you know, we couldn't help but notice that in his bio, 534 00:20:47,547 --> 00:20:50,147 it says adult entertainment service. 535 00:20:50,216 --> 00:20:52,650 So we looked into ArQuez 536 00:20:52,719 --> 00:20:54,685 and we did find his Twitter account 537 00:20:54,754 --> 00:20:56,420 and when we go through that-- 538 00:20:56,489 --> 00:20:57,521 - Oh, gee-- 539 00:20:57,590 --> 00:21:00,925 Oh, I haven't peeped that. 540 00:21:00,994 --> 00:21:02,760 - The reason that we wanted you to see this 541 00:21:02,829 --> 00:21:04,829 is because you've been talking to a guy 542 00:21:04,897 --> 00:21:07,798 for a year and a half who's been pretending to be this guy. 543 00:21:07,867 --> 00:21:12,770 And he hasn't once, in response to you sending nudes, 544 00:21:12,839 --> 00:21:15,906 even thought to send you a nude back. 545 00:21:15,975 --> 00:21:17,008 - Yeah, and that's what I gonna say. 546 00:21:17,076 --> 00:21:19,110 It clearly-- it shows that he posts, 547 00:21:19,178 --> 00:21:21,512 you know, nudes and everything on Twitter. 548 00:21:21,581 --> 00:21:23,114 - From our perspective, 549 00:21:23,182 --> 00:21:27,785 it just feels like Michael is not this guy. 550 00:21:27,854 --> 00:21:29,920 - It's just crazy. You lie about that, 551 00:21:29,989 --> 00:21:32,990 you can't be trusted. What else are you lying about? 552 00:21:33,059 --> 00:21:36,193 - Yeah. 553 00:21:36,262 --> 00:21:39,130 So we messaged him, haven't heard anything back. 554 00:21:39,198 --> 00:21:41,632 Then we decided to run the phone number 555 00:21:41,701 --> 00:21:43,934 that you gave us for Michael, 556 00:21:44,003 --> 00:21:45,503 that you've been talking to him on, 557 00:21:45,571 --> 00:21:47,338 and that came back to someone named 558 00:21:47,407 --> 00:21:50,508 Tramaine [bleep] in Philly. 559 00:21:50,576 --> 00:21:52,109 [tense music] 560 00:21:52,178 --> 00:21:54,612 - Tramaine? 561 00:21:54,681 --> 00:21:56,047 I know, like, a couple of Tramaine. 562 00:21:56,115 --> 00:21:57,748 A lot of people having that name in Philly, 563 00:21:57,817 --> 00:21:59,750 but I don't know the last name [bleep]. 564 00:21:59,819 --> 00:22:01,185 - Okay. Okay. 565 00:22:01,254 --> 00:22:04,422 - So then we ran it on another site, BeenVerified, 566 00:22:04,490 --> 00:22:07,024 and as you can see, Tramaine [bleep] comes up again. 567 00:22:07,093 --> 00:22:10,127 - Up again. - The number came back 568 00:22:10,196 --> 00:22:13,931 with a Facebook attached to it for Tramaine [bleep] 569 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,200 and this is Tramaine [bleep]. 570 00:22:16,269 --> 00:22:19,036 - A female? - Right. 571 00:22:19,105 --> 00:22:20,204 - I don't know who that-- 572 00:22:20,273 --> 00:22:22,006 I don't even know no female named Tramaine. 573 00:22:22,075 --> 00:22:24,575 - Well, look, you haven't talked on the phone, 574 00:22:24,644 --> 00:22:26,177 which is suspicious. 575 00:22:26,245 --> 00:22:28,412 Maybe it's because it's an older woman 576 00:22:28,481 --> 00:22:30,014 and she doesn't sound like a young man. 577 00:22:30,083 --> 00:22:31,949 That's a possibility. - Right. 578 00:22:32,018 --> 00:22:33,651 - So the next thing that we did 579 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,655 was ran the informant number through Cash App. 580 00:22:37,724 --> 00:22:40,958 - Okay. - This is what came up. 581 00:22:41,027 --> 00:22:42,693 - Let me see-- zoom in on the picture. 582 00:22:42,762 --> 00:22:45,363 ♪ ♪ 583 00:22:45,431 --> 00:22:47,631 Okay, I know who that is. 584 00:22:47,700 --> 00:22:49,867 Me and him used to go to school together. 585 00:22:49,936 --> 00:22:52,036 - So wait, you do know this guy? 586 00:22:52,105 --> 00:22:53,137 - I know of him. 587 00:22:53,206 --> 00:22:54,839 So me and him used to go to school together. 588 00:22:54,907 --> 00:22:56,907 We did use to follow each other on Instagram. 589 00:22:56,976 --> 00:22:59,276 He used to like all my pictures and things like that too. 590 00:22:59,345 --> 00:23:00,745 And he would, like, comment. 591 00:23:00,813 --> 00:23:02,079 He would always say things like "You're cute," 592 00:23:02,148 --> 00:23:04,315 and a lot of people that, like, the wanted me in the past 593 00:23:04,384 --> 00:23:07,785 that, like, I curved, he was one of them. 594 00:23:07,854 --> 00:23:10,187 So I don't know, like, him too well, 595 00:23:10,256 --> 00:23:11,589 - The anonymous phone number 596 00:23:11,657 --> 00:23:14,258 that texted you ArQuez's profile 597 00:23:14,327 --> 00:23:17,528 is registered to Lanier on Cash App. 598 00:23:17,597 --> 00:23:19,930 - Right. - And you know Lanier 599 00:23:19,999 --> 00:23:21,866 and you know he liked you. 600 00:23:21,934 --> 00:23:24,869 So that's starting to feel like Michael is Lanier. 601 00:23:24,937 --> 00:23:26,904 And for some reason, a couple weeks ago, 602 00:23:26,973 --> 00:23:29,774 he, from another number, sent you that message 603 00:23:29,842 --> 00:23:31,842 to try and come clean, I guess, 604 00:23:31,911 --> 00:23:34,044 or at least help you understand 605 00:23:34,113 --> 00:23:36,447 that "Michael" isn't the guy in the pictures. 606 00:23:36,516 --> 00:23:39,283 - My thing is if--if he wanted to come clean or whatever, 607 00:23:39,352 --> 00:23:41,452 he could have did that a long, long time ago. 608 00:23:41,521 --> 00:23:43,788 - Well, it's also weird because if you know this guy, 609 00:23:43,856 --> 00:23:46,724 maybe, you know, you weren't ready to date guys then, 610 00:23:46,793 --> 00:23:48,159 and he wasn't-- or who knows? 611 00:23:48,227 --> 00:23:50,027 Like, he could've also just hit you up and be like, 612 00:23:50,096 --> 00:23:51,095 "Hey, we went to school together. 613 00:23:51,164 --> 00:23:52,730 "I see you're gay and out now, me too. 614 00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:54,331 Like, we should go out." 615 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,468 - Well, have you ever responded to his other messages before? 616 00:23:57,537 --> 00:23:59,970 - No. - And the real question is, 617 00:24:00,039 --> 00:24:02,740 is Lanier definitely who you've been talking to 618 00:24:02,809 --> 00:24:06,143 or is he ratting someone out, like Tramaine? 619 00:24:06,212 --> 00:24:08,312 - Whoever he might be, this worries me 620 00:24:08,381 --> 00:24:09,647 because he played a big role 621 00:24:09,715 --> 00:24:11,849 in a lot of big major events in my life. 622 00:24:11,918 --> 00:24:13,951 But at the same time, he could be a serial killer 623 00:24:14,020 --> 00:24:15,252 for all I know. It's like, I don't like-- 624 00:24:15,321 --> 00:24:17,455 what else are you lying about? [phone chimes] 625 00:24:17,523 --> 00:24:19,356 - Oh, [bleep], wait, 626 00:24:19,425 --> 00:24:21,826 ArQuez just DM'd. 627 00:24:21,894 --> 00:24:23,494 The real guy from the pictures. 628 00:24:23,563 --> 00:24:27,031 - What'd he say? - Mm... 629 00:24:27,099 --> 00:24:28,466 What? 630 00:24:28,534 --> 00:24:30,034 - Check it out. 631 00:24:30,102 --> 00:24:32,369 ♪ ♪ 632 00:24:32,438 --> 00:24:35,406 - He said, "Sure, is it about the woman in Philly?" 633 00:24:35,475 --> 00:24:36,874 - What? 634 00:24:36,943 --> 00:24:38,776 - Oh, what is going on? 635 00:24:40,546 --> 00:24:42,146 - Oh, [bleep], wait, ArQuez just DM'd. 636 00:24:42,215 --> 00:24:45,249 He said, "Sure, is it about the woman in Philly?" 637 00:24:45,318 --> 00:24:46,617 - What is going on? 638 00:24:46,686 --> 00:24:49,086 - Write back and say, "I can explain everything. 639 00:24:49,155 --> 00:24:50,721 Jump in on a Zoom." 640 00:24:51,958 --> 00:24:53,624 - Is he talking about Tramaine? 641 00:24:53,693 --> 00:24:55,926 - Oh, he said, "Sure, I'm free now for a bit." 642 00:24:55,995 --> 00:24:58,929 - Great. - Oh, man, here we go. 643 00:24:58,998 --> 00:25:00,631 [bell chimes] 644 00:25:00,700 --> 00:25:03,000 - Hi. - Hey 645 00:25:03,069 --> 00:25:04,001 - Hey. What's up? 646 00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:04,869 - I'm Kamie. 647 00:25:04,937 --> 00:25:06,570 - Hi, Kamie. - Nev. 648 00:25:06,639 --> 00:25:08,906 - Hi, Nev - I'm Romeo. 649 00:25:08,975 --> 00:25:10,307 - Hi, Romeo. 650 00:25:10,376 --> 00:25:12,209 - How you doin'? [chuckles] 651 00:25:12,278 --> 00:25:15,312 - So wait a second, so Romeo is from Philly 652 00:25:15,381 --> 00:25:17,181 and about a year and a half ago, 653 00:25:17,250 --> 00:25:19,149 he met somebody online 654 00:25:19,218 --> 00:25:21,519 who was using pictures of you 655 00:25:21,587 --> 00:25:23,153 but said their name was Michael. 656 00:25:23,222 --> 00:25:26,056 And we wanted to just confirm with you 657 00:25:26,125 --> 00:25:28,959 that you're not the person Romeo is talking to. 658 00:25:29,028 --> 00:25:31,896 [tense music] 659 00:25:31,964 --> 00:25:34,398 - I've never seen Romeo, a day in my life. 660 00:25:34,467 --> 00:25:35,666 - Got it. 661 00:25:35,735 --> 00:25:37,701 - Yeah. Well, I'm sorry. 662 00:25:37,770 --> 00:25:41,038 It's unfortunate that happened to you. 663 00:25:41,107 --> 00:25:44,808 I understand. I'd be mad too. 664 00:25:44,877 --> 00:25:46,977 - We're curious, you responded to Kamie's message, 665 00:25:47,046 --> 00:25:48,712 asking if it had something to do with some lady in Philly. 666 00:25:48,781 --> 00:25:50,180 What was that about? 667 00:25:50,249 --> 00:25:52,883 - This lady in Philly has been going crazy 668 00:25:52,952 --> 00:25:55,152 using my pictures for, like, a very long time. 669 00:25:55,221 --> 00:25:56,887 A lot of people are calling me telling me, 670 00:25:56,956 --> 00:25:58,455 "Hey, I be talking to you online." 671 00:25:58,524 --> 00:26:00,658 And I'm like, "I don't know you," you know what I'm saying? 672 00:26:00,726 --> 00:26:02,593 But someone told me that they was talking to me 673 00:26:02,662 --> 00:26:04,828 and they found out it was a lady in Philly. 674 00:26:04,897 --> 00:26:06,664 - You know what the lady's name was? 675 00:26:06,732 --> 00:26:08,999 Like, somebody named Tramaine? 676 00:26:10,036 --> 00:26:11,569 They just said it was a lady in Philly. 677 00:26:11,637 --> 00:26:13,037 - Oh, okay. 678 00:26:13,105 --> 00:26:15,239 But obviously, stuff like this sort of 679 00:26:15,308 --> 00:26:16,473 has happened to you before? 680 00:26:16,542 --> 00:26:18,008 - Yeah, this happens all the time. 681 00:26:18,077 --> 00:26:21,278 I have to send out so many DMCAs, download checks, 682 00:26:21,347 --> 00:26:24,748 and all types of stuff, just to prove that it's not me. 683 00:26:24,817 --> 00:26:25,783 - Right. - People do all type 684 00:26:25,851 --> 00:26:26,884 of crazy stuff, and I just like, 685 00:26:26,953 --> 00:26:28,652 what do you do when the person shows up 686 00:26:28,721 --> 00:26:30,988 and you realize it's not me? You know. 687 00:26:31,057 --> 00:26:32,256 - Right. 688 00:26:32,325 --> 00:26:34,291 - All right, well, that's all very helpful. 689 00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:36,627 - I'm glad that you guys are helping clear this up. 690 00:26:36,696 --> 00:26:37,928 - All right, man. 691 00:26:37,997 --> 00:26:41,098 - Bye. - Thank y'all. 692 00:26:41,167 --> 00:26:43,701 - Romeo, how are you feeling about everything? 693 00:26:43,769 --> 00:26:45,135 - Oh, it's just a lot of thoughts 694 00:26:45,204 --> 00:26:48,138 and things that is running through my mind so-- 695 00:26:48,207 --> 00:26:49,740 - I know, I know. 696 00:26:49,809 --> 00:26:52,876 All right, so look, the fact that we found a lady 697 00:26:52,945 --> 00:26:56,614 in Philadelphia and that the first thing ArQuez asks 698 00:26:56,682 --> 00:26:57,715 is, "Is this about that lady in Philly?" 699 00:26:57,783 --> 00:26:59,550 I feel like there's still some weird chance 700 00:26:59,619 --> 00:27:01,518 that Tramaine could be involved, 701 00:27:01,587 --> 00:27:05,356 but then this whistleblower's number comes back to Lanier 702 00:27:05,424 --> 00:27:07,691 who you've rejected in the past 703 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,593 and that's even more suspicious. 704 00:27:09,662 --> 00:27:10,928 - Man, I don't know. 705 00:27:10,997 --> 00:27:12,296 My head's just everywhere right now. 706 00:27:12,365 --> 00:27:13,731 - So what do we wanna do? 707 00:27:13,799 --> 00:27:16,333 - I mean, whether it's Tramaine or Lanier 708 00:27:16,402 --> 00:27:18,102 or somebody completely random, 709 00:27:18,170 --> 00:27:21,472 I think at this point we gotta reach out. 710 00:27:21,540 --> 00:27:23,641 - I-I don't know how you wanna handle this 711 00:27:23,709 --> 00:27:26,210 if you wanna be the one to contact him, 712 00:27:26,278 --> 00:27:28,479 or if you want for us to try to first. 713 00:27:28,547 --> 00:27:30,280 - That's fine. You guys can absolutely, 714 00:27:30,349 --> 00:27:32,249 you know, try to do it first. 715 00:27:32,318 --> 00:27:33,350 - Okay. 716 00:27:33,419 --> 00:27:36,320 I'll text. 717 00:27:36,389 --> 00:27:38,288 "Hey, Michael, this is Kamie from "Catfish." 718 00:27:38,357 --> 00:27:40,591 "Working on an episode right now that involves you 719 00:27:40,660 --> 00:27:43,894 and would like to get some clarity on a few things." 720 00:27:43,963 --> 00:27:45,629 - Yeah, I think that's good. 721 00:27:45,698 --> 00:27:47,331 - Sent. 722 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,134 - Says "Delivered," so that's good. 723 00:27:50,202 --> 00:27:53,070 I mean, I don't wanna rush them but like maybe if you also text 724 00:27:53,139 --> 00:27:56,106 and say like, "Hey, Michael, really appreciate it 725 00:27:56,175 --> 00:27:57,975 if you could help me find some clarity." 726 00:27:58,044 --> 00:28:01,512 - Okay, I'll send it to him really quick. 727 00:28:01,580 --> 00:28:04,882 I just said, "Hey, Michael, this is Romeo, text Kamie." 728 00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:06,150 - All right, straight to the point. 729 00:28:06,218 --> 00:28:08,318 - Okay. - Oh, he just read it. 730 00:28:08,387 --> 00:28:10,921 - Should we send another text now saying like, 731 00:28:10,990 --> 00:28:13,791 "Look, I know you're not the guy in the pictures, 732 00:28:13,859 --> 00:28:15,125 we just wanna talk." 733 00:28:15,194 --> 00:28:16,627 - Yeah. 734 00:28:16,696 --> 00:28:18,595 - Can you share your screen, Romeo? 735 00:28:18,664 --> 00:28:20,264 - Yeah. 736 00:28:20,332 --> 00:28:22,132 - "Look, I know you're not the guy in the pictures 737 00:28:22,201 --> 00:28:25,202 and I just have some questions, no hard feelings." 738 00:28:25,271 --> 00:28:27,471 - I would like to talk to you face-to-face. 739 00:28:27,540 --> 00:28:29,139 Can you Zoom call? 740 00:28:29,208 --> 00:28:31,842 ♪ ♪ 741 00:28:31,911 --> 00:28:33,143 - Oh. - Oh, he read it. 742 00:28:33,212 --> 00:28:34,378 - Ooh, okay, okay. 743 00:28:34,447 --> 00:28:36,714 He read it. That's good. 744 00:28:36,782 --> 00:28:38,882 Oh. - [gasps] What? 745 00:28:38,951 --> 00:28:41,385 - "I'm not a catfish." 746 00:28:41,454 --> 00:28:43,487 - Should I say, like, we spoke to ArQuez? 747 00:28:43,556 --> 00:28:44,788 - I mean... - Or should I say, 748 00:28:44,857 --> 00:28:46,557 "Then get on Zoom"? - Yeah. 749 00:28:46,625 --> 00:28:50,227 [tense music] 750 00:28:50,296 --> 00:28:52,296 - What does that mean, "I'm not a catfish,." 751 00:28:52,364 --> 00:28:53,397 Okay. 752 00:28:53,466 --> 00:28:55,299 - Oh, you got text bubbles. 753 00:28:55,367 --> 00:28:57,868 ♪ ♪ 754 00:28:57,937 --> 00:28:59,369 - He said, "Fine, okay." 755 00:28:59,438 --> 00:29:02,172 - All right, so write back now and say, "Okay, great." 756 00:29:02,241 --> 00:29:04,141 ♪ ♪ 757 00:29:04,210 --> 00:29:08,445 Yeah, and then we'll send him the link. 758 00:29:08,514 --> 00:29:10,614 Perfect. - It say "Delivered." 759 00:29:10,683 --> 00:29:12,349 ♪ ♪ 760 00:29:12,418 --> 00:29:13,550 [bell chimes] 761 00:29:13,619 --> 00:29:14,618 - Oh. 762 00:29:14,687 --> 00:29:16,553 ♪ ♪ 763 00:29:16,622 --> 00:29:17,821 - Oh, no. 764 00:29:19,492 --> 00:29:20,491 - What does he mean by, "I'm not a catfish"? 765 00:29:22,061 --> 00:29:23,393 [bell chimes] 766 00:29:23,462 --> 00:29:25,829 - Oh. 767 00:29:25,898 --> 00:29:28,432 - Hello, hello. 768 00:29:29,902 --> 00:29:31,435 - Lanier, right? 769 00:29:31,504 --> 00:29:33,270 - It's Lanier, but I go by Michael. 770 00:29:33,339 --> 00:29:35,706 - Wait, you go by Michael in real life 771 00:29:35,775 --> 00:29:37,941 or just with Romeo? 772 00:29:38,010 --> 00:29:40,344 - No, I go by Michael in real life. 773 00:29:40,412 --> 00:29:43,413 - Okay, welcome to "Catfish," 774 00:29:43,482 --> 00:29:45,449 even though you say you're not a catfish. 775 00:29:45,518 --> 00:29:49,386 - I don't think that I am a catfish. 776 00:29:49,455 --> 00:29:50,554 - How not? 777 00:29:50,623 --> 00:29:51,388 - As far as the picture, 778 00:29:51,457 --> 00:29:54,458 I felt like it looked like me. 779 00:29:54,527 --> 00:29:58,262 But that was the only thing that was a lie. 780 00:29:58,330 --> 00:30:00,664 - Okay, well, why don't we just give you an opportunity 781 00:30:00,733 --> 00:30:03,233 to sort of say whatever your piece is, explain yourself, 782 00:30:03,302 --> 00:30:04,535 'cause we obviously have a lot of questions. 783 00:30:04,603 --> 00:30:07,571 - Um, well, I made the account in middle school 784 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:08,939 before I came out. 785 00:30:09,008 --> 00:30:12,442 I wasn't a really a social person. 786 00:30:12,511 --> 00:30:16,847 So the page was really mainly to manage my coming out 787 00:30:16,916 --> 00:30:18,482 but later on, 788 00:30:18,551 --> 00:30:21,118 I started to see Romeo on Instagram 789 00:30:21,187 --> 00:30:24,054 and it was kinda like, "I should try to talk to him." 790 00:30:24,123 --> 00:30:27,324 And I DM'd him from Michael's account. 791 00:30:27,393 --> 00:30:30,227 - But Romeo said that you had liked and commented 792 00:30:30,296 --> 00:30:33,096 on some of his pictures at some point as Lanier. 793 00:30:33,165 --> 00:30:36,333 - I probably liked them, but he didn't reply. 794 00:30:36,402 --> 00:30:37,801 - Michael, when you first came on, 795 00:30:37,870 --> 00:30:40,671 you said, "The only thing I lied about was the picture." 796 00:30:40,739 --> 00:30:41,872 - Yeah. - And obviously we didn't know 797 00:30:41,941 --> 00:30:43,040 that you go by Michael, 798 00:30:43,108 --> 00:30:45,409 so, okay, that-- that makes sense. 799 00:30:45,477 --> 00:30:48,045 But you also said you lived in Atlanta, right? 800 00:30:48,113 --> 00:30:49,880 So have you been living in Atlanta? 801 00:30:49,949 --> 00:30:53,283 - So I do go back and forth from Philadelphia to Atlanta. 802 00:30:53,352 --> 00:30:55,018 I have family in both places 803 00:30:55,087 --> 00:30:56,687 - Okay. - But I'm from Philadelphia, 804 00:30:56,755 --> 00:30:58,088 originally. 805 00:30:58,157 --> 00:30:59,456 - We found a woman in Philadelphia 806 00:30:59,525 --> 00:31:01,792 connected to your phone number named Tramaine. 807 00:31:01,861 --> 00:31:02,926 Do you know that person? 808 00:31:02,995 --> 00:31:04,828 - No, I don't, actually. 809 00:31:04,897 --> 00:31:06,263 - So you did this alone? 810 00:31:06,332 --> 00:31:08,165 - Yeah. - Have you talked to other 811 00:31:08,234 --> 00:31:10,634 people with the Michael profile? 812 00:31:10,703 --> 00:31:11,635 - Not really. 813 00:31:11,704 --> 00:31:12,669 When I first made it, 814 00:31:12,738 --> 00:31:15,439 I had a bunch of different people DM me, 815 00:31:15,507 --> 00:31:18,442 but it only got that far with Romeo. 816 00:31:18,510 --> 00:31:20,110 - So we went to high school together. 817 00:31:20,179 --> 00:31:21,178 We knew of each other. 818 00:31:21,247 --> 00:31:22,546 We--we--like what is the point 819 00:31:22,615 --> 00:31:23,814 of you catfishing me? Like-- 820 00:31:23,883 --> 00:31:25,582 - Like I said, I don't feel like it was catfish. 821 00:31:26,552 --> 00:31:27,684 - What the [bleep] Ido you mean- 822 00:31:27,753 --> 00:31:28,919 you don't feel like that's catfish? 823 00:31:28,988 --> 00:31:30,621 - Hold on, hold on. - So what is it? 824 00:31:30,689 --> 00:31:31,989 - Watch your mouth 'cause what you gonna do 825 00:31:32,057 --> 00:31:34,258 is watch your mouth. - I ain't doing [bleep]. 826 00:31:34,326 --> 00:31:35,492 How do you think that's okay to do? 827 00:31:35,561 --> 00:31:36,727 Like I'm asking. 828 00:31:36,795 --> 00:31:38,128 - Well, if you shut the [bleep] up and listen-- 829 00:31:38,197 --> 00:31:39,663 - You shut the [bleep] up! 830 00:31:39,732 --> 00:31:40,697 Who the [bleep] you talking-- - If you shut the [bleep] up-- 831 00:31:40,766 --> 00:31:42,366 - Anyway, back to you guys, back-- 832 00:31:42,434 --> 00:31:44,134 you want me to answer your question or not? 833 00:31:44,203 --> 00:31:47,337 - Take-- can we take a time-out? 834 00:31:47,406 --> 00:31:48,739 - You saying that's you in the picture? 835 00:31:48,807 --> 00:31:50,674 That's what you saying? You do not look like that. 836 00:31:50,743 --> 00:31:53,410 Fake-ass Whoopi Goldberg. - You [bleep] fake-ass 837 00:31:53,479 --> 00:31:55,479 wannabe Bow Wow-lookin'-ass mother [bleep]. 838 00:31:55,547 --> 00:31:56,546 - What are you talking about? 839 00:31:56,615 --> 00:31:58,282 You really just catfishing somebody. 840 00:31:58,350 --> 00:31:59,816 - Listen, you gonna watch your mother [bleep] mouth. 841 00:31:59,885 --> 00:32:01,118 That's what you gonna do. 842 00:32:01,186 --> 00:32:04,454 - Michael, why are you being so insulting? 843 00:32:04,523 --> 00:32:05,923 - 'Cause I will not continue to sit here-- 844 00:32:05,991 --> 00:32:07,557 - You deserve to be-- 845 00:32:07,626 --> 00:32:09,259 - No, you shut the [bleep] up, Nev. 846 00:32:09,328 --> 00:32:11,495 - No, you deserve to eat some [bleep]. 847 00:32:11,563 --> 00:32:12,562 - You fake-ass Whoopi Goldberg. 848 00:32:12,631 --> 00:32:14,264 What's up? Then throw your hands up! 849 00:32:14,333 --> 00:32:16,233 - Don't nobody give a [bleep] about you. 850 00:32:16,302 --> 00:32:17,768 - This is supposed to be my show. 851 00:32:17,836 --> 00:32:21,238 - Can we put Michael in the waiting room for a second? 852 00:32:21,307 --> 00:32:23,273 - I'm confused. - Nev, it's about time 853 00:32:23,342 --> 00:32:25,509 that you got cussed out on this [bleep] show. 854 00:32:25,577 --> 00:32:27,978 I'm sick of being the punching bag on this show. 855 00:32:28,047 --> 00:32:29,112 [laughing] 856 00:32:29,181 --> 00:32:31,081 - This--this guy is unbelievable. 857 00:32:31,150 --> 00:32:33,483 - You catfishing somebody, you would think that you would 858 00:32:33,552 --> 00:32:35,886 come in like, you know, more calmer. 859 00:32:35,955 --> 00:32:37,254 He come in aggressive. 860 00:32:37,323 --> 00:32:39,022 - Yeah. - He's kinda delusional. 861 00:32:39,091 --> 00:32:40,424 - I ask you one question, 862 00:32:40,492 --> 00:32:41,892 and I still don't know the answer to it. 863 00:32:41,961 --> 00:32:43,493 Like, what's the point of you catfishing me? 864 00:32:43,562 --> 00:32:45,662 - I think at this point, maybe it's best 865 00:32:45,731 --> 00:32:47,898 if Kamie and I just talk to Michael, 866 00:32:47,967 --> 00:32:50,367 see if we can get him to calmly answer some questions. 867 00:32:50,436 --> 00:32:52,869 - That would be excellent. - All right. 868 00:32:52,938 --> 00:32:54,071 - He just texted me. 869 00:32:54,139 --> 00:32:55,872 "I apologize for getting rattled up. 870 00:32:55,941 --> 00:32:58,809 Can we finish the Zoom call? I really wanna clear this up." 871 00:32:58,877 --> 00:33:00,744 I'm gonna say, "Okay." 872 00:33:00,813 --> 00:33:01,812 [bell chimes] 873 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,347 We're back. 874 00:33:03,415 --> 00:33:06,984 I think we just kind of need to start from the beginning. 875 00:33:07,052 --> 00:33:08,285 - Well, I am sorry for, you know, 876 00:33:08,354 --> 00:33:09,786 coming out of character, 877 00:33:09,855 --> 00:33:13,156 but I will not be disrespected, not even by you, Nev, 878 00:33:13,225 --> 00:33:14,358 or not by Romeo either-- - Well, okay-- 879 00:33:14,426 --> 00:33:15,859 what I was trying to say was, 880 00:33:15,928 --> 00:33:20,230 in this situation, it would be expected for you 881 00:33:20,299 --> 00:33:23,400 to have to sit and listen to someone be upset 882 00:33:23,469 --> 00:33:25,836 and possibly even disrespect you 883 00:33:25,904 --> 00:33:28,805 after the fact that you've caused this situation. 884 00:33:28,874 --> 00:33:30,941 - Right, and that's--that's where I got upset 885 00:33:31,010 --> 00:33:33,977 because I'm kinda--I'm still kinda confused on how-- 886 00:33:34,046 --> 00:33:36,713 who are you to tell me what's fair and what's not fair? 887 00:33:36,782 --> 00:33:38,181 - I'm not telling-- - Romeo's-- 888 00:33:38,250 --> 00:33:39,850 Romeo is saying that it's not fair. 889 00:33:39,918 --> 00:33:42,219 Romeo was asking--he-- the main thing 890 00:33:42,287 --> 00:33:44,221 that he wants to know is why? 891 00:33:44,289 --> 00:33:45,856 Is it revenge? 892 00:33:45,924 --> 00:33:48,125 Were you trying to be malicious or get back at him 893 00:33:48,193 --> 00:33:49,860 for not talking to you before? 894 00:33:49,928 --> 00:33:54,197 Or do you have romantic feelings with Romeo? 895 00:33:54,266 --> 00:33:57,901 ♪ ♪ 896 00:33:59,671 --> 00:34:00,937 - The main thing that he wants to know is why? 897 00:34:01,006 --> 00:34:02,572 Is it revenge? 898 00:34:02,641 --> 00:34:04,775 Were you trying to be malicious or get back at him 899 00:34:04,843 --> 00:34:06,576 for not talking to you before? 900 00:34:06,645 --> 00:34:10,847 Or do you have romantic feelings with Romeo? 901 00:34:10,916 --> 00:34:12,416 ♪ ♪ 902 00:34:12,484 --> 00:34:14,284 How do you feel about him? 903 00:34:14,353 --> 00:34:17,387 ♪ ♪ 904 00:34:17,456 --> 00:34:20,257 - I definitely feel like... 905 00:34:20,325 --> 00:34:22,993 I love him. 906 00:34:23,062 --> 00:34:24,694 I kinda just was nervous. 907 00:34:24,763 --> 00:34:27,297 when I was originally-- made the page, 908 00:34:27,366 --> 00:34:28,532 I wasn't out. 909 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:29,699 Michael was more confident. 910 00:34:29,768 --> 00:34:33,570 Michael is also... more outspoken. 911 00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:37,507 Michael is also more outgoing then Lanier is. 912 00:34:37,576 --> 00:34:39,876 That's kinda why I still go by Michael. 913 00:34:39,945 --> 00:34:41,344 - So you feel more confident 914 00:34:41,413 --> 00:34:44,881 and more authentically genuinely you as Michael. 915 00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:46,183 - Right. 916 00:34:46,251 --> 00:34:48,051 But I wanted to come out to him, 917 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,487 and I wanted to tell him exactly who I was 918 00:34:50,556 --> 00:34:52,222 and see if we can move forward 919 00:34:52,291 --> 00:34:53,890 'cause when I go back to Atlanta, 920 00:34:53,959 --> 00:34:55,258 I wanna be able to see him 921 00:34:55,327 --> 00:34:58,361 and, you know, show him that I love him. 922 00:34:58,430 --> 00:35:00,664 - You guys made a real connection. 923 00:35:00,732 --> 00:35:05,368 He talked about you as a very important person 924 00:35:05,437 --> 00:35:07,537 who gave him the courage and strength 925 00:35:07,606 --> 00:35:09,773 and support he needed to come out. 926 00:35:09,842 --> 00:35:10,807 - Oh, really? 927 00:35:10,876 --> 00:35:12,175 - Yeah. 928 00:35:12,244 --> 00:35:15,412 - Yeah, so I get--so I can understand why he's so upset. 929 00:35:15,481 --> 00:35:18,315 - Right, so if we could go back to having Romeo on here 930 00:35:18,383 --> 00:35:20,450 now with you understanding what he's feeling 931 00:35:20,519 --> 00:35:21,818 and what he's dealing with, 932 00:35:21,887 --> 00:35:23,787 if you could be really gentle with him 933 00:35:23,856 --> 00:35:25,689 and explain that your feelings are real 934 00:35:25,757 --> 00:35:27,457 and that he is important to you 935 00:35:27,526 --> 00:35:29,326 and listen to him and let him express himself, 936 00:35:29,394 --> 00:35:32,529 I think we could make some--some forward movement. 937 00:35:32,598 --> 00:35:33,597 - Okay. 938 00:35:33,665 --> 00:35:35,465 - Acknowledge where you [bleep] up, 939 00:35:35,534 --> 00:35:37,000 and let him know what was real 940 00:35:37,069 --> 00:35:38,368 and maybe there'll be some hope 941 00:35:38,437 --> 00:35:40,237 for a relationship after all this. 942 00:35:40,305 --> 00:35:42,272 - Got it. Yeah, I can definitely do that. 943 00:35:42,341 --> 00:35:46,009 - Okay, let's bring Romeo back in. 944 00:35:46,078 --> 00:35:49,346 Romeo, oh Romeo, 945 00:35:49,414 --> 00:35:51,348 come back in the Zoom. 946 00:35:51,416 --> 00:35:53,583 [bell chimes] 947 00:35:53,652 --> 00:35:55,085 Hi, Romeo. 948 00:35:55,154 --> 00:35:56,319 - Hi, Kamie Kam. 949 00:35:56,388 --> 00:35:57,954 - So I think, Romeo, 950 00:35:58,023 --> 00:36:00,557 you were initially feeling like you had some questions, 951 00:36:00,626 --> 00:36:03,894 but I do think Michael has things he wants to say to you. 952 00:36:03,962 --> 00:36:06,730 I'm sure you have things you'd like to discuss. 953 00:36:06,798 --> 00:36:09,966 And I feel like now we can try and do that. 954 00:36:10,035 --> 00:36:12,536 - Mm-hmm. 955 00:36:12,604 --> 00:36:14,037 So the first question I wanna know is, 956 00:36:14,106 --> 00:36:17,274 if we knew of each other in school, what is the point? 957 00:36:17,342 --> 00:36:19,075 Like, why would you catfish me? 958 00:36:19,144 --> 00:36:22,913 - So... [sighs] 959 00:36:22,981 --> 00:36:24,781 I do love you. 960 00:36:24,850 --> 00:36:27,083 I do love you, and I do have major, 961 00:36:27,152 --> 00:36:28,318 major feelings for you, 962 00:36:28,387 --> 00:36:30,987 but I was... 963 00:36:31,056 --> 00:36:32,689 nervous, I guess. 964 00:36:32,758 --> 00:36:37,460 You know, we talked about a lot of personal things and, um... 965 00:36:37,529 --> 00:36:39,729 okay, so let me clear this up to you 966 00:36:39,798 --> 00:36:41,998 'cause I already cleared it up to them. 967 00:36:42,067 --> 00:36:44,768 Lanier and Michael are two different people. 968 00:36:44,836 --> 00:36:48,738 So Michael is more confident, more--he's more outgoing, 969 00:36:48,807 --> 00:36:50,574 more outspoken, more-- you know, 970 00:36:50,642 --> 00:36:52,709 he's--he's the one that's on the camera right now. 971 00:36:52,778 --> 00:36:54,711 The reason why I made the Michael page 972 00:36:54,780 --> 00:36:56,880 and why I keep going by Michael, 973 00:36:56,949 --> 00:36:58,715 is because that's who I came out as. 974 00:36:58,784 --> 00:37:00,617 I know I did catfish you with the pictures, 975 00:37:00,686 --> 00:37:02,352 and I know that you're probably hurt 976 00:37:02,421 --> 00:37:04,287 or you know, that you feel some type of way, 977 00:37:04,356 --> 00:37:06,423 but I want you to know, like, 978 00:37:06,491 --> 00:37:07,958 the love that I have for you, 979 00:37:08,026 --> 00:37:09,859 the way that I feel about you, how much I love you 980 00:37:09,928 --> 00:37:11,494 and the things that I told you in our messages 981 00:37:11,563 --> 00:37:14,431 and things like that, like, those are real. 982 00:37:14,499 --> 00:37:16,299 Those are genuine feelings. 983 00:37:16,368 --> 00:37:17,400 You know what I mean? 984 00:37:17,469 --> 00:37:19,002 I was nervous, and I didn't know 985 00:37:19,071 --> 00:37:23,807 how you would react to me, necessarily. 986 00:37:23,875 --> 00:37:25,642 You get what I'm saying? 987 00:37:25,711 --> 00:37:26,676 - Okay. 988 00:37:26,745 --> 00:37:28,511 - So I do apologize for you, you know, 989 00:37:28,580 --> 00:37:30,447 to you for catfishing you 990 00:37:30,515 --> 00:37:32,949 with the--with the pictures and things. 991 00:37:33,018 --> 00:37:35,619 But like I told Nev and Kamie, I really--I really do 992 00:37:35,687 --> 00:37:38,255 want us to somehow work, 993 00:37:38,323 --> 00:37:39,823 if--if that's ever possible. 994 00:37:39,891 --> 00:37:41,691 If not, be friends, 'cause like I said, 995 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,660 I am back and forth from Philly to Atlanta, 996 00:37:43,729 --> 00:37:47,797 but I do want you to actually get to know who Lanier is. 997 00:37:47,866 --> 00:37:49,666 You get what I'm going--you get where I'm going with that? 998 00:37:49,735 --> 00:37:52,869 - I don't know, for me, I find like it still is an excuse 999 00:37:52,938 --> 00:37:55,772 because that still catfish because you not the person 1000 00:37:55,841 --> 00:37:58,675 that you said that you was on the pictures. 1001 00:37:58,744 --> 00:38:01,678 So that makes me think, is he lying about other things? 1002 00:38:01,747 --> 00:38:04,681 For you to lie for that long, it makes me question 1003 00:38:04,750 --> 00:38:06,683 and think about a lot of different things. 1004 00:38:06,752 --> 00:38:08,418 - I know it's probably hard for you to believe now 1005 00:38:08,487 --> 00:38:11,521 'cause of where we are in the-- 1006 00:38:11,590 --> 00:38:13,823 you know, in the process, 1007 00:38:13,892 --> 00:38:17,060 but like I said, the love that I have for you is real. 1008 00:38:17,129 --> 00:38:19,129 And you got every right to feel, like, hurt, 1009 00:38:19,197 --> 00:38:22,532 betrayed, everything, 'cause we've talked about some real, 1010 00:38:22,601 --> 00:38:24,567 deep, personal things. 1011 00:38:24,636 --> 00:38:26,403 I feel like me and you do have a connection. 1012 00:38:26,471 --> 00:38:28,271 Otherwise there wouldn't be a conversation 1013 00:38:28,340 --> 00:38:30,040 still trying to be had. 1014 00:38:30,108 --> 00:38:32,208 - I don't know, for me, this is something serious. 1015 00:38:32,277 --> 00:38:34,411 I don't know what's real. I don't know what's fake. 1016 00:38:34,479 --> 00:38:37,213 I don't know what's a lie. I don't know what's not a lie. 1017 00:38:37,282 --> 00:38:40,617 I don't know. 1018 00:38:40,686 --> 00:38:44,220 - Are you saying, Romeo, that you need time to process? 1019 00:38:44,289 --> 00:38:45,955 - Absolutely. 1020 00:38:46,024 --> 00:38:49,826 - Well, you guys have each other's contact information. 1021 00:38:49,895 --> 00:38:52,962 So I think that it's safe to say, 1022 00:38:53,031 --> 00:38:55,465 if Romeo wants to get in touch with you, 1023 00:38:55,534 --> 00:38:57,067 he knows where to find you. 1024 00:38:57,135 --> 00:39:00,537 - Yeah, he knows how to, you know, get in contact. 1025 00:39:00,605 --> 00:39:02,605 - I'm gonna say one-- just one last thing. 1026 00:39:02,674 --> 00:39:04,407 I don't know what your lives are like. 1027 00:39:04,476 --> 00:39:06,943 I have no experience of growing up 1028 00:39:07,012 --> 00:39:09,913 a Black gay man in Philadelphia, 1029 00:39:09,981 --> 00:39:12,015 but I can tell from the brief descriptions 1030 00:39:12,084 --> 00:39:14,417 that you guys gave that it was [bleep] hard, 1031 00:39:14,486 --> 00:39:16,553 and you guys share that 1032 00:39:16,621 --> 00:39:18,855 and that's not something a lot of people share. 1033 00:39:18,924 --> 00:39:20,924 And on top of that, you also now share 1034 00:39:20,992 --> 00:39:24,127 a year and a half of deep, intimate connection. 1035 00:39:24,196 --> 00:39:25,462 All of that considered, 1036 00:39:25,530 --> 00:39:27,397 I think you guys have a lot more in common 1037 00:39:27,466 --> 00:39:28,798 and a lot more that you share 1038 00:39:28,867 --> 00:39:30,834 than you should be upset about. 1039 00:39:30,902 --> 00:39:33,470 And so whatever happens, try to just be, 1040 00:39:33,538 --> 00:39:35,772 if nothing else, allies. 1041 00:39:35,841 --> 00:39:38,508 - Right, right, right. - Absolutely. 1042 00:39:38,577 --> 00:39:41,878 - I do really, really, really deeply apologize, 1043 00:39:41,947 --> 00:39:43,613 you know, for catfishing you. 1044 00:39:43,682 --> 00:39:47,117 Even if you don't feel like we can be a thing, 1045 00:39:47,185 --> 00:39:49,319 which, I, you know, hope for in the future, 1046 00:39:49,388 --> 00:39:51,654 but I know we both probably gonna need some time, 1047 00:39:51,723 --> 00:39:53,256 you know, to think it over and things like that, 1048 00:39:53,325 --> 00:39:54,991 but just like I always tell you in our messages, 1049 00:39:55,060 --> 00:39:57,360 I always got you. You know what I'm saying? 1050 00:39:57,429 --> 00:39:59,829 You know, just hit me up, call me. 1051 00:39:59,898 --> 00:40:01,631 - As much as I would love to see you guys end up together, 1052 00:40:01,700 --> 00:40:03,666 I'm not sure if you would survive your first argument. 1053 00:40:03,735 --> 00:40:06,803 - I don't know either. I don't know, you know. 1054 00:40:06,872 --> 00:40:09,973 - I mean, you guys--you guys are--got short tempers, man. 1055 00:40:10,041 --> 00:40:11,307 - [laughs] - All right, Michael, 1056 00:40:11,376 --> 00:40:13,810 thank you for taking the time to explain yourself 1057 00:40:13,879 --> 00:40:16,012 and open up with us and obviously with Romeo. 1058 00:40:16,081 --> 00:40:18,515 I think that was helpful for--for all us. 1059 00:40:18,583 --> 00:40:20,550 - No problem. Thank you guys. I appreciate you. 1060 00:40:20,619 --> 00:40:22,419 Good night guys. See you later. 1061 00:40:22,487 --> 00:40:26,289 - Later, Mike. - Oh, my God. 1062 00:40:26,358 --> 00:40:28,658 - Romeo, oh, Romeo, 1063 00:40:28,727 --> 00:40:30,927 what a ride this was. 1064 00:40:30,996 --> 00:40:34,030 - It was crazy, but he actually do seem cool. 1065 00:40:34,099 --> 00:40:36,166 Maybe we could be, you know, friends. 1066 00:40:37,602 --> 00:40:40,003 - All right, well, I'm excited to hear how things turn out. 1067 00:40:40,071 --> 00:40:40,837 - Thank you so much. 1068 00:40:40,906 --> 00:40:42,539 - Bye. - Bye-bye. 1069 00:40:42,607 --> 00:40:44,641 - ♪ It's about trust ♪ 1070 00:40:44,709 --> 00:40:46,242 ♪ It's about faith ♪ 1071 00:40:46,311 --> 00:40:48,311 ♪ It's about all the things I want ♪ 1072 00:40:48,380 --> 00:40:53,983 ♪ All the things I'm not willing to say ♪ 1073 00:40:54,052 --> 00:40:56,486 ♪ So what you got? ♪ 1074 00:41:01,393 --> 00:41:04,527 - I think she could be the one. -I even went to get a ring 1075 00:41:04,596 --> 00:41:05,895 - A ring? 1076 00:41:05,964 --> 00:41:08,298 Have an address that's not very far. 1077 00:41:08,366 --> 00:41:09,866 - It's scary, but I'm ready. 1078 00:41:09,935 --> 00:41:11,501 - I won't knock on the door. 1079 00:41:11,570 --> 00:41:12,569 I'll take one of our producers 1080 00:41:12,637 --> 00:41:14,137 because whoever this is, 1081 00:41:14,206 --> 00:41:15,605 will know that we're onto them. 1082 00:41:15,674 --> 00:41:17,207 Go, John. - Hey. 1083 00:41:17,275 --> 00:41:18,775 - Hi. - Is Mercy here?