- ♪ MTV ♪
- Myldred met KJ when she was 16.
Then this girl India sees Myldred
commenting on KJ's pictures.
They discover that they're both in the same boat.
- He told me he was a scammer.
- Everything was pretty good until, like,
all the lies started coming up.
- Oh, my God, why does this guy have so many Facebook pages?
- What?
- I've seen multiple girls hit up and text him.
- If this is the last thing we do,
we're gonna catch a serial catfish.
Oh, oh.
- Hey.
- Hey, I'm very confus--what?
[dramatic music]
Let's do it! We're back.
This episode was supposed to be
our first episode fully back on the road.
Unfortunately, because of the delta variant
we are going to film at the office again,
which means we're still in masks.
Hello. - I'm not happy.
We're supposed to be on the road.
We're supposed to be out, living life.
Get [bleep] vaccinated so we can leave this bitch.
[laughs]
- All right, here we go. - This is gonna be great.
We're changing the energy, shifting it around, whoo!
- Ooh, an email from Myldred.
"It's time for the truth.
"Dear Nev and Kamie, my name is Myldred.
"I'm 23 and I live in South Carolina,
and I think you guys are my last best hope."
- That sounds very dark.
- "Six years ago, I was catfished by a guy named KJ.
"KJ had a good heart, and he has been there for me
"during the times that I've needed him,
"but he lied a lot.
"He actually admitted that his pictures weren't real,
"so I broke things off with him.
"He disappeared for two years, but this past January,
we started talking regularly again."
- ♪ When the lights go down ♪
- "He was saying he loved me and getting upset
"when I wouldn't say it back.
But I knew I couldn't trust him."
- ♪ On and on and on and on and on ♪
- "But then in June,
"I got a message from this girl named India
"because she was trying to figure out
"if KJ was a catfish.
"India and I started working together to try to figure out
"who exactly we'd been talking to.
"I'm not interested in dating KJ,
"but he is important to me,
"and I've come too close to finding the truth to stop now.
"I know India and I aren't the only girls
"he's done this to over the years.
Do you want to help us catch a serial catfish?"
- ♪ On and on and on ♪
- So this is unusual.
We might actually be helping two people find this KJ guy.
- We already know KJ's a catfish.
He said it. - Right.
What I want to know is when he popped back up,
did he present who he actually is?
- Who knows how many other girls KJ has done this to.
- That's true.
Myldred gave us her info and India's info.
Let's just FaceTime Myldred first.
Hello?
- Oh, my God.
- Hey! - Is this Myldred?
Sorry we're FaceTiming you with no appointment.
It was Nev's idea.
- I'm just in shock mode.
- Connection here's a little funny.
Do you mind if we maybe switch over to Zoom?
We can send you a link, and you can--
- Yeah, we can do that. - All right, perfect.
- Okay, see you. - Bye!
- All right. I'm gonna message her.
I sent Myldred the link to our Zoom.
- Let's hit up India, too. - Yeah.
Let me text India and see if she's around to chat as well.
- How did India find Myldred in the first place?
- That's a good question.
- Hello? - Myldred.
- Hey! - What's up?
- Nothing much.
- So you're 23 now. - Yes.
- And you live in South Carolina.
What do you do down there?
- I'm about to open my own store.
It's like a clothing...
we have everything in there really.
- Fun.
- A Little lifestyle brand action.
- Well, we're still trying to make sense of the story.
- We got a lot of questions. Right.
We reached out to India, too.
Hopefully, she'll join us
to help fill us in on all of this,
but elaborate a bit more
what's been going on the last six years.
- Well, we met when he slid into my DM,
but then I ended up finding out that wasn't him.
- He has since changed his photos?
- All right. So wait, we'll get to that.
So what happened after he slid into your DMs?
- Then we started talking on Kik,
and that's where we started dating really.
- And you're 23 now, so you were 17?
- I was 16.
- And how old was KJ?
- He told me he was 16 at the time also.
- Where did he say he lives?
- At the time, he told me
he was living in North Carolina.
- So he's close? - Yeah, he was really close.
- All right, walk us through what went down.
- Well, everything was good between us at the time,
and then around the end of 2016,
it was just, like, a lot of problems.
It was always excuses, not wanting to see me.
He couldn't come. His car broke, mommy issues.
And then I tried to video call him back around
when we first started dating.
I didn't really get to see, like, his face.
I only saw his back. So I was like, okay.
- Hold on, wait.
So you did FaceTime with him, but you only saw his back?
- Yeah. - That's so [bleep]ing weird.
If I answered a video call, and I saw the back
of somebody's head like that, I would call the police.
How long did that call last?
- Ten minutes. - And you heard their voice?
- I didn't really hear the voice.
I only saw the back of his head.
- But they were talking to you, right?
- No, it was on mute. - What?
You spent ten minutes talking to the back of someone's head?
- Pretty much.
- That's very strange.
- So then at some point, you say you discovered
that the pictures he sent you weren't him.
When did that happen?
- I think, 2018, I had a friend that was a model,
and I was going through his followers,
and I ended up seeing somebody with pictures of KJ.
So I DM'd him, "Hey KJ,"
and he was like "Wrong person, I don't know you."
- I'm assuming you sent a screenshot of that to KJ.
- Yeah, I confronted him about it, and he told me
he felt like my parents wouldn't approve of him
because he had all the tattoos on his face.
He ended up sending me another picture.
- Of the new tattoo guy? - Yes.
And then eventually, I realized
it's always gonna be the same story.
He's never gonna come see me,
so I just cut it off then and there.
- All right, so let's fast forward to present day.
You mentioned in your email
that you and KJ started talking again in January.
- Mm-hmm.
- Are you feeling as though things are moving
potentially toward a relationship again?
- At the time yeah, but then around May, it was my birthday.
He was supposed to come see me,
but then he told me that he couldn't come see me anymore
because the cops were following him.
So I eventually got mad, and I told him
that I was having a guy friend over.
And he got mad, and then he ended up telling me
that he's in a relationship with India,
and he also had a child.
He ended up showing me pictures of India and the baby.
India, thank God, messaged me two weeks later,
and she was like, "Hey, have you met KJ?"
And I was like, "Huh, aren't you his baby mama?"
She was like, "No, we just started talking."
- What?
She was confused why
he was even sending me those type of pictures.
- Hold up, wait. Can we go back for a second?
The cops were following him for what?
- He told me he was a scammer. - A scammer?
- Yeah. - This guy sounds insane.
- This sounds crazy.
- He's never asked you for money, right?
- No. - That's something.
But why do we like him?
- It was after my last relationship,
it was just really, really bad for me,
and he was there to talk me out of it.
KJ was basically my first love.
He's very funny, very caring, and a good listener.
He was just my everything, I thought he was my soul mate.
- Whoa, wait. India just wrote back to us.
She said "Oh, my God, really?"
- Okay. - Cool.
- "Yes! Come join our Zoom!"
And you've let India know that you reached out to us, right?
And that you're hoping we can help you guys?
- Yes, I told her about it.
- And over this time,
were other women popping up that he had been talking to?
- A lot.
- Were they just posting on his page?
- Yeah.
- Interesting.
- India, hello! - Hey!
- How are you guys? - Hi.
- I see that KJ has a thing for pretty girls with lashes.
I mean, wow.
- So wait a second, so India,
obviously you and Myldred already know each other.
- Mm-hmm.
- Can you just explain how you and KJ met
and what your relationship is?
- Well, we met on Instagram.
I got a text on Instagram like,
"Oh, hey, you're pretty." And I'm like, "Oh, thank you."
And then we started talking on the phone.
We really got a good connection after a while.
We'd be on the phone from the morning to the night.
We'd sleep on the phone.
- Wow. - We talked a lot.
We got really close.
Everything was pretty good
until, like, all the lies started coming up.
- Mm-hmm!
- How did you find Myldred in the first place?
- So we were supposed to be dating, and he told me
he wasn't talking to no other girls,
but I didn't believe him, so I started looking through,
like, his followers, and I found Myldred.
I was like, "Hey, do you know who KJ is?"
And she was like, "Yeah, I've talked to him."
And then she's like,
"Oh, I thought you were his baby mama."
And I was like, "No, I'm not his baby mama.
I don't even have a baby."
- All of this is weird. - It is.
- Really weird.
- And are you still interested in him?
Are you guys still talking?
Well, I still talk to him.
If he is who he is in the second picture,
then I'd still want to talk to him.
He's a good person.
But at the same time if he's not,
then, you know.
- Wait, you said second picture.
Did he show you someone first, and then he said,
"Oh, no, that's not me. I'm someone else"?
- Yeah, we started looking at the pictures closely,
like, trying to figure out little things,
and I see on his stomach, his stomach said "guapo,"
so then that's when I found the actual guy in the picture,
Jose Guapo, the rapper, and I was like, oh.
- Who is Jose Guapo?
that you mentioned - with the face tattoos?y
- Yeah.
- So now I'm like, "KJ, did you catfish me?"
And he's like, "Yeah, hold on. I'll send you pictures."
So I'm waiting. He finally sends me a picture.
It's another handsome man,
but I just feel like it's another lie.
- Yeah.
- [blows raspberry] - [laughs]
- All right, just so we get this all down,
starting with you, Myldred.
Can you-- - Yeah.
- You guys the pictures that you thought were of KJ?
- Yeah.
Okay, that's the old one,
the very first one that he showed me,
and that's the one he told me that was him.
- So he's got a few tattoos on his face.
- And you've seen this picture, India?
- Yeah, that's Jose Guapo. - Got it.
- India, can you show us the new picture?
- That's my KJ. - Okay.
- Chile, you can have him. She said, "That's my KJ."
Why the [bleep] are we still talking to this man?
- I don't know, I just feel like times
we did talk, everything went well.
He was there for me when I needed him.
He's very kind, he's sweet, he's funny.
If he can come clean and, like, tell me the truth,
like who he is and why he did all this or whatever,
then I feel like there could be something there.
- Okay, and Myldred, you're not trying to date KJ.
- I just want to ask him
why did he catfish me for six years.
- So you basically want to confront him.
- Mm-hmm.
- Me too.
- All right. So we need to find this guy.
So what do you know about KJ?
Myldred, where did he say he lived
when you were talking to him?
- Back then, he said North Carolina.
- Okay, and, India,
where did he say he lived when you talked to him?
- Boston, and sometimes he said in Rochester.
- Do you guys have the same phone number for KJ?
- Yeah. - Mm-hmm.
- Got it, and how old does he say he is to you, Myldred?
- I think just turned 24.
- Okay, and what about you, India?
- He told me he was 21.
- So we don't know how old he is.
We don't really even necessarily know his name.
We don't know where he lives.
We don't know anything about this guy.
- I just want him to take down that page, to be honest,
because I've seen multiple girls hit up and text him,
so I could just imagine of what I didn't see.
Like, you know what I'm saying?
Like, there's probably a lot of girls out there.
- Yeah. - All right, guys.
I'm excited to figure out what the heck is going on here,
and hopefully confront a serial catfish,
and put an end to this craziness.
We'll talk soon.
- Bye. - See ya.
That is the craziest [bleep] I've ever heard.
To send the pictures of India to Myldred.
- And to say it's your baby mama, it's like--
- It's the audacity for me.
- I mean, at this point I'm concerned
about the countless women that might be on the hook
thinking they're in a relationship with this guy,
and setting them free.
So if this is the last thing we do,
we're gonna find out the truth about KJ.
- Biggie. He cannot be found.
Biggie!
- Well, we took a little break. We seem to have lost Biggie.
But that doesn't mean we can't find KJ, so...
- True, there's still hope yet. - There's still hope for today.
- Oh, man. Where's my child though?
Where did you go? Get in here.
Biggie, you've been acting crazy all day.
We're gonna talk about this when we get home.
- All right.
I'm gonna try my best to summarize the situation.
Myldred met KJ via Instagram when she was 16.
They started talking on Kik. Myldred was really into him.
But excuse, after excuse, after excuse,
things sort of started to fade a little bit.
She figured out at some point that he was a catfish.
Myldred decides,
"Okay, I'm not gonna mess with this guy anymore."
At some point, KJ pops up and says,
"Hey, just so you know, this is my baby mama."
- India. - India.
India sees Myldred commenting on the pictures,
reaches out to her, they talk, they discover
that they're both in the same boat with KJ being sus.
- Cheating on both of them. - Lying to them.
We've clearly got a guy here who's not only doing a poor job
of convincing people that he's a real person,
but he's also quick to admit when he's caught.
- And then amazingly, just create a new lie
and find that girls will continue talking to him.
- Because he's there for them. - Right.
- India in particular wants to end up with the real KJ
at the end of this.
- "Hey guys, here's everything - Let' we know about KJ."t us.
KJ's number. Here's his Instagram.
- "[bleep] the glock"?
- He told me that he was 24
and that he's lived in North and South Carolina.
He told India that he was 21 and that he lives in Boston.
We have three photos, the original guy
I found years ago on Instagram, the rapper Jose Guapo,
and then the new guy he gave to India
that we haven't found a real page for.
Jose Guapo's Instagram is Jose Guapo.
Okay, so they already did some good research.
"Thank you so much for helping us, Myldred."
I want to look at his Instagram.
I'm curious to see.
- Well, let's see how convincing...
- Oh, wow, he posted a picture of India.
Wow, okay, so a month ago he posted this,
and said "can't nobody take her spot,
"I love her to death, she's my life,
"my world, my whole life.
"She's everything that I have and need
and she know the rest."
- This is bold. - Yeah.
But we know that this is someone else.
- When was the last time he posted a picture of Jose?
That middle one.
- This one? - Mm-hmm, oh, last year.
- Right, because they sent us the real guy.
Oh, yeah, he's verified, half a million followers.
Right, so here's the real guy.
Okay, let's run the phone number.
See if maybe we can get lucky.
What?
Darius [bleep]
This guy is in Mississippi. Who's this guy?
Let's look him up on Facebook.
Darius.
[tense music]
We got a hit.
♪ ♪
- What? - He's 18.
- He's a child.
- Wait, let's look at About. Mississippi though.
Just like the guy in the phone search results.
Okay, let's just look at some other profiles.
- I think that second one is the same Darius.
- That's what I was thinking.
It's the same guy.
- Darius. - Are there more accounts?
- There's a few. - Oh, my God.
Here's another one and another one.
Why does this guy have so many Facebook pages?
- Sixteen times?
- Why am I making excuses for him?
I'm just like Myldred and India.
- Two, maybe three.
This kid has some weird obsession
with making profiles,
which obviously suggests that he very well
could also be making other profiles.
The location matches the phone results,
so maybe he lied to these girls about his age.
So I think it's safe to say
Darius is now our top suspect.
- What are we going to say to this young man?
- Wait a second, if he's 18 now,
and Myldred and he started talking six years ago,
that would've made him 12.
The only thing we haven't looked at is running the number
on Cash App to see if anything comes up in Cash App.
- Darius [bleep]!
- Get in here. - That's him.
Okay, I mean, there's no more confirmation we need.
The phone number comes back to him.
There's a bunch of weird profiles of him.
We've put his number into a Cash App.
His name comes up.
It's him. They've been talking to a kid.
The really remarkable thing here is that this teenager
was able to convince these older women
in intimate conversation that he was older.
- But his actions have been so juvenile
that it makes sense that he is a juvenile.
- Yeah.
- I'm just trying to put myself in the shoes
of Myldred and India finding out this information
because if I know I got played by an infant, no, no.
- If he has that many profiles for himself,
I can't even begin to imagine
how many profiles he has of other people.
- How can we stop Darius?
- I feel like we've just scratched the tip
of the Darius iceberg.
- All right, 9:45.
Kamie's on her way over here.
We're gonna drive to the office today,
so it'll be nice.
Kamie'll come over, and then I guess we'll drive my car.
I thought it would be funny to mess with her,
so I put together just a little care package for her,
just a little fake dirty diaper.
Let's just kind of create a little zone here.
Perfect. She's gonna love it.
She's gonna absolutely love it.
- Yay.
For baby cute-cute.
This is just the beginning of my work in my nomination
of becoming god-mom to baby cute-cute,
AKA baby Schulman.
Special delivery.
♪ Happy baby to you ♪ - Hey!
- Aw, you really did it. - It's a diaper cake.
Here let me get some stuff.
- Some reading materials. - I know.
Well, there's a lot of stuff in the car.
Just move that stuff.
- Oh--ahh! You mother[bleep]!
You are disgusting.
What is that? - Just move it!
That's a dirty diaper. Get used to it.
I mean, that's not a big deal. - It's on my fingernail.
It's on my fingernail. - Here.
- It's on my [bleep] fingernail.
- You are the nastiest person I have ever met in my life.
Is it peanut butter? - Just move it.
Come on. - Oh, my God, I hate it here.
I'm quitting. That's it.
- Look at this, look at us. We're in the car.
- Look at us.
- Driving. - Who would've thought?
- All right. So wait, a lot happened yesterday.
- Yeah, a lot happened.
- KJ, turns out is probably
an 18-year-old kid named Darius.
- I've been thinking also like this entire morning,
how we're going to break this news
because I think that India and Myldred
both thought there was like,
at least a chance with an adult.
- Right. - Ay-yi-yi.
- All right, we're at the office.
You ready to crack this case?
[upbeat music]
Okay.
- Ready.
- Let's check in with the girls.
Hey, Myldred and India. It's Nev and Kamie.
We are in the Zoom and ready to...
- Roll. - Rock.
All right, come on, ladies.
We've got a lot of explaining to do.
♪ ♪
- Wow. - Hello.
- Hi. - Oh.
- Wow, I should've brought in...
all I did was bring in a bun.
I should've brought in a [bleep]ing look.
- All right. So here's what's up.
We're pretty sure we know who you guys have been talking to,
and it's an unexpected, sort of strange reality.
- You're scaring me. - For real.
- Yeah, well, I mean, I don't want to scare you,
but we've got something we think you should know.
So hold on, let bring up...
- Oh, my God. - Oh, my God.
My heart is beating so fast.
- Yeah, same. - All right, here we go.
[tense music]
Okay, so this is KJ's current profile.
India, I'm sure you noticed
that he more recently posted a picture of you.
- Yeah. - Did you guys talk about that?
- So when we posted it, we were still talking
like everything was fine, so I knew he posted it,
but I didn't know it was still up there.
- Right, so we already know
that the guy in these pictures is Jose Guapo.
You guys figured that out.
Which was nice for us, you saved us a step.
So we thought, okay, let's run the phone number.
It came back to this name,
Darius [bleep] in Brookhaven, Mississippi.
So we thought, okay, we've got to figure out who this guy is.
Who is this person?
So we did some searching, and the name Darius [bleep] is
sort of--it's unique enough that when we searched it...
you're not gonna believe this.
We found I think 16 profiles...
- Wow. - For the same guy.
Versions of the same life, mostly in Mississippi.
- Oh, my God.
- We clicked on a few of them, and this one was the one
that sort of seemed to be the most active.
So this is Darius [bleep],
and his name, and apparently this page,
comes back connected to the phone number
you guys have been texting and talking to.
- Darius [bleep] is 18 years old,
fresh out of high school.
- ♪ Got the blood on your hands ♪
♪ Got a knife in my heart ♪
- Oh, my God.
♪ ♪
- So he's 18 right now?
- He is 18 right now.
- Oh, no!
- ♪ My lips are sealed, I'ma take it to the grave ♪
- Oh, my God.
- ♪ I've got a dirty little secret ♪
- Which means that, Myldred,
when you were 16 talking to him,
he was 12.
- Wow.
- ♪ Dirty little secret, shh, don't tell anyone ♪
- I'm just in shock mode right now.
I'm trying to put everything together in my head.
- Yeah. - I'm shaking.
- This [bleep]'s crazy, bro, ugh!
- You guys are talking to Darius [bleep].
Darius is 18 years old, fresh out of high school.
- I feel, like, horrible. Oh, my God.
[tense music]
- So that's your man, ladies. We found him.
- Not mine.
- Myldred's trying to be all cool like, "It's not my man."
It was for five years. Now he's not, now he's not.
Look, there's still a very small chance
that we're wrong about this,
but assuming that it is Darius, we've got to confront this kid.
A, because you guys deserve to meet this person
who you've been talking to,
and say whatever you want to say,
but also because we need to hopefully discourage him
from doing this anymore.
For both your sake and potentially the dozens
or hundreds of other girls this guy might be talking to.
So who's in, and what's the plan?
- I want to meet him. - I mean, I'll do it, too.
I'm down, but I'm just nervous.
- Me too.
- Do we need permission from his parents?
- I guess not, right? If he's 18.
All right, I'm getting his number here,
the phone number that KJ has been using this whole time.
Let's call him. All right, I'm calling him.
[line trilling]
- Hey, is this Darius?
[tense music]
- Hey, how you doing?
This is Nev from the show "Catfish."
I was hoping you had a minute to chat.
- Cool, how's it going?
- It's all good.
- Are you--I understand...
I think you're down in Mississippi, right?
- Okay, well look, I'm glad you picked up,
because we're making an episode now,
and I've got a couple ladies who I've been helping,
Myldred and India, who have been mixed up in a relationship
with someone named KJ,
and, well, we're pretty sure you are KJ.
- Okay, well, are you able to jump on a Zoom with us?
- Oh, well, we've talked to India and Myldred,
and they're both happy to talk to you.
Is that okay if they're both on the call?
Is now an okay time?
Darius?
- He hung up? - Yeah.
- Cool as a mother[bleep]ing cucumber.
- Why he said me?
- He said I don't want to talk to Myldred.
I'll talk to India. - Right!
My insides is, like, boiling.
- I can't believe he singled you out like that though.
He needs to know that he can't [bleep] around like this.
Like, if this is gonna be his intro to dating,
and, like, women, this is not a good start.
- Honestly, now I just question everything.
Like, was everything a lie?
- Right, he earned your trust, both of you guys,
by telling you things, and potentially opening up
about stuff that may not have been true.
I mean, I'm also curious to know like,
what's been going on in his life?
Why does he have all those Facebook profiles?
It's just a lot of questions.
- I feel like he was trying to live like an imaginary life.
Like, he really, like-- - Mm-hmm.
- Like, to take away from his actual,
like, I don't know what he's going through,
but maybe he's going through something.
- He gets very depressing, like, a lot.
- Like, the conversations would get very dark?
- Like, it was just like, there were times
when I would tell him I'ma leave him,
he would try to kill himself,
- I don't know what he's going through and if that's
actually something that he's dealing with,
but if not, it's not something that you joke about.
- It's not at all.
[phone dings] - Oh.
- Did he text you? - Yes.
- What did he say? - What?
"Hey, I'm not sure about the show.
I don't know about this."
- Because he know I'ma be on here, that's why.
- Have you guys got into a lot of fights?
- A lot.
- Well, yeah, because every time he comes up
with an excuse and postpones.
Maybe you should text him and just say,
"Hey, I know we've been through a lot, but, like,
"I'm not trying to come at you.
I just want to talk."
- Okay.
- Oh, I see the dot. - Share that screen.
Yeah, there we go.
Oh, "I just need a minute. Give me time to think."
- Whoo!
[tense music]
- Aww, wow.
- Myldred. Do you really mean that?
- No. - [laughs]
I was about to say.
Myldred knows how to the play the game.
- Oh, we got bubbles. - Oh, [bleep]!
- "That's what people always say."
- Oh, [bleep]!
- "You mean it or you just saying it?
I don't know if you mean it."
Wow, he read you. - [laughs]
I would say something like, "Let's just close this chapter
of our lives the right way."
- Okay.
♪ ♪
- Aww, and send him the Zoom link, too,
just to put a little pressure on him.
- Oh, this is nerve--my heart is beating so fast.
- Darius needs to bring his ass
to the principal's office immediately.
- Yeah.
All right, so look--oh, oh.
- Hey.
- Hey, I'm very confus--what?
- Ugh, this is nerve--my heart is beating so fast.
- Darius needs to bring his ass
to the principal's office immediately.
- Yeah. All right, so look--oh, oh.
- Hey.
[tense music]
- Hey, I'm very confus--what?
- Wait.
- Who is this?
- Wait, you're not the guy
we thought we were going to talk to.
- I'm confused.
- Just to be clear, you're Darius.
- Yes, sir.
- Wow.
- And you're the one that's been talking to both
of the women here on the Zoom.
- Yes.
- Okay, so we want to just clear this up
because we're a little confused.
We're gonna show you our screen.
Are these your profiles?
Do you know who that is?
- No.
- Okay, so there's just a kid
named Darius [bleep] who lives in Mississippi,
who happens to have a weird profiles, but that's not you.
- Yes. - Got it.
Okay, because that really got confused
because when we looked that name up,
we found like 16 profiles for this kid who's 18,
so we were all wrong.
- Yeah.
- Can you just give us a little background information on you
because we're--
- Perplexed. - Yeah.
- All right, my name's Darius, and I'm 25.
I stay in Mississippi.
- Okay, so you are in Mississippi.
- What are you doing in Mississippi, scamming?
- No, I made that up. - So you don't scam?
- No.
- And how long have you had a fake profile?
Was it before Myldred?
- It was like, when I had met her, around that time.
- What made you start a profile with somebody else's pictures?
- Because, you know, I felt kind of lonely,
and I felt like I needed people to talk to,
- Okay, but what do you mean a guy like you?
What does that mean?
- Mm-hmm.
- Growing up, where I'm from, when people see me,
they don't see me as a normal person.
- So you've had bad experiences with meeting people.
- Yes.
- And then you mentioned that you lost a brother.
- Yeah, I was very close. That was, like, my best friend.
- What happened? - He got shot.
[soft music]
It was, like, an accidental shooting,
and I wanted more people to talk to
because I ain't have people to talk to at the time.
- Oh, man, that's tough. - We're sorry.
- Was anything that you told Myldred or India
about KJ's life actually true
and sort of part of your life?
- Not really, I made all of that up basically.
- And were you ever hospitalized
for attempted suicide?
- No.
- Wow.
So why did you tell me you was gonna kill yourself
when I said I was gonna leave you?
- Because I felt like I wasn't going to have nobody
to talk to after that,
so that's why I said that, to keep you around.
- But you were talking to India.
- And all these other girls. That's my thing.
- There were other girls that you talked to, right?
- No.
- Didn't you come on here to tell the truth?
- I am.
- What about the girls I saw with my own eyes?
You talk to multiple girls.
Don't make it seem like it's just us.
- I mean, I was, but it wasn't like--
- Like, a lot.
- Yeah, it wasn't like that. - A lot.
- Yeah. - So yeah, no.
- Wow, my heart is, like, beating so fast right now.
- I mean, look, here's what's confusing to me.
I've spoken to a lot of people who have started a fake profile
because they felt insecure
or maybe they weren't happy with the way they looked,
any number of reasons, of all of which are valid.
What's a little bit more difficult for me here
in this case is that you've continued this relationship now
with Myldred for a long time.
It's been six years,
and over the course of that time she's discovered
that you have lied to her and tried to move on,
but you've continued to lie after those moments.
You kept trying to cover it up and keep the lie going,
and manipulated her into continuing to talk to you
by telling her that if she didn't,
you would kill yourself.
- I wasn't thinking, to be honest,
but I want to apologize to both of them separately
so they can get where I'm coming from.
- You mean privately? - Yeah.
- Okay, well, we can do that. - Okay.
- So, India, will you just give us a minute?
- Okay. - Okay, yeah.
We'll see you in a minute. Is it all right if we stay?
- Y'all can stay.
I'm sorry for the things that I did for you in the past.
Like, I didn't mean to do it.
I know I hurt you a lot, but I really did like you.
I just hope you have enough heart
to forgive me as a person.
Me and you could just be friends and just talk
and get to know each other as the real me.
Like, it don't gotta be today or tomorrow,
but I just want you to forgive me.
[tense music]
- Myldred, do you have a response now?
- Honestly, it's just like, it just hurts so bad right now
because he did put me through a lot.
Like, I knew he was catfishing me,
but I always made him feel comfortable enough
to tell me who he really was.
I just feel really betrayed.
Every time you would tell me "I'm gonna kill myself,
I'm this, I'm that," I'm over here crying for you.
You catfished me for six years,
six, and keep coming back.
- I didn't know how to bring myself out at the time.
It's like I wanted to tell you,
but I didn't know how to tell you.
- No you didn't,
because you're not telling me because of India.
You was never going to tell me.
- It's not even just that.
- You're just full of bull[bleep].
I don't even care.
- Do you feel like you have a stronger connection with India?
- To be honest, yeah.
- Okay, okay.
Everything that he ever told me was a lie,
so there's no friendship there.
- All right.
Maybe we should bring in India?
- Okay.
- So, Myldred, just hang out a little bit,
and we'll ping you when it's time to bring you back.
- Okay. - All right.
♪ ♪
- All right. Thanks for waiting, India.
- All right, India,
I know me and you haven't known each other for that long,
but them past three months really brought me out
to be the person I am today.
You had told me that I can just be myself,
that really kind of touched my heart,
because ain't nobody never told me that
for real, for real.
You really made me feel happy about myself,
and I feel like me and you have, like,
a connection that could never be broke.
Like, I'ma stop all the lies.
I'ma stop all the manipulative things that I did.
I really love you a lot, more than as a friend.
But it's up to you. It's what you want.
♪ ♪
- I feel like me and you have, like,
a connection that can never be broke,
but it's what you want.
- So, like...
I'm glad that I guess I helped you, in a way,
to bring yourself out and, like, show the real you,
but at the same time, relationship-wise,
I just wouldn't be able to talk to you to be honest.
And it has nothing to do with who you actually are,
it has to do with the fact that you lied so much about it,
and who's to say you're not gonna lie again
about whatever else?
I don't know what you're telling other people.
I don't know what you've done
or how far you've went with certain things,
and I don't know how many other girls you've done this to.
Yeah, I take your feelings into consideration, too,
but what about mine, what about Myldred's?
What about all the other girls?
You should be yourself.
You're gonna find someone
one day who will make you happy,
who will love you for you and accept you for you.
- There's no excuse.
You want to meet a woman,
you want a woman to spend time on you
and love you for who you are, show up as yourself
and give her the opportunity to do that,
but you don't lie, and manipulate, and hurt
to get what you want.
♪ ♪
- Can you accept that things between you and India are over?
- I just know I [bleep]ed up a lot.
It's not gonna go back to the old days,
like the old ways.
I don't want to accept it,
but I'ma have to accept it pretty much.
♪ ♪
- All right, well, why don't we bring Myldred back in.
♪ ♪
- Welcome back, Myldred. - All right.
So considering what you've sort of done and why we're all here,
I think both India and Myldred have been very generous
and compassionate towards you,
expressing how they feel in a very calm and mature way,
and I hope that what they've said and what we've said
has meant something to you, and that you've heard it,
and hopefully will consider it deeply,
and allow it to inform your decision making in the future.
I think specifically, we'd all like to know
that you're going to delete the Instagram page and the TikTok,
or whatever other profiles you may have that are not you.
- Yes. - You will delete those?
- Yes.
- And just moving forward, with anybody that you meet,
in person or online, you'll just be honest?
- Yes.
- Because truly, there are a lot of people who are little
who live very full and bold, authentic lives.
While we have every reason to have compassion for you
and understanding, that is not an excuse--
- Mm-mm, not at all.
- To do any of the things that you have done.
♪ ♪
- I think that you should try to focus on yourself
before you continue to go online
and search for other women who are going to love you.
If you don't love yourself and you're not happy
within yourself, you're not going to find it in any girls.
- Not at all.
♪ ♪
- All right, well, I appreciate that you came on here.
I know that wasn't easy to do.
- To the both of you,
I really am sorry for everything I put y'all through.
- I hope so.
- Thank you.
- All right, good to meet you. Good luck with everything.
- Bye.
- Good luck, Darius.
See you later. - Bye.
- Ladies, ladies, ladies.
- I mean, I can't believe how wrong we were.
- Wow, that was wrong wrong.
- When he popped up I was so confused.
- Me too. - Oh, my gosh, for real.
- I want to applaud both of you
for being so clear and honest with your feelings.
- I think we can hopefully expect much better from him,
but it has been lovely spending time with both of you.
- Thank you.
It was nice to meet you both.
- Good to meet you girls. - Bye, ladies.
- Bye! - Bye.
- ♪ Oh ♪
♪ It's time to let go ♪
♪ Oh ♪
♪ It's time to let go ♪
♪ I'm gonna feed the fire ♪
♪ Watching all the flames go higher ♪
♪ Oh ♪
♪ It's time to let go ♪
- Trace, single mom meets Ace. [upbeat mu
- He's like, "I'm ready to be a stepfather.
I want to have children."
So that's why I wanted to see what's going on.
- Searching his number.
- Pacific pay phone?
- There's a map.
We're actually not that far from there.
Here it is, okay.
- Ready for the stakeout.
- There's someone.
This could be our guy.