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- He make me feel good.
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Like, he like he compliment me
every day.
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- Do you guys say
you love each other?
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- Yes.
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One time, I just sent him $275.
- Why?
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- Because I'm in love.
- Vonni.
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- Oh, we got a hit!
- [gasps]
8
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Stay away from this "person."
Straight-up scammer.
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- Wow.
- #Catfish.
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- I don't know if I'm cold
or I'm just nervous.
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[computer chimes]
- Oh.
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Who is this?
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- All right,
where are we going?
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- Oh, let's do it.
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[upbeat music]
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[gasps]
Oh, my God!
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Yes!
Cleo!
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Oh, my goodness.
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Was this your idea?
- [giggles]
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- You pranked me?
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- The heck's going on?
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You guys making the show
without me?
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- Yeah.
- What?
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You guys replaced me
with Cleo and Biggie?
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- Yes. This is so much better.
Let's see what it looks like.
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Here, Biggie.
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- Maybe you guys
show us the show.
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Just the two of you.
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- Yeah,
I think this is the show.
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- This is...
- Well--
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- This is definitely
a better version of the show.
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- Biggie, get your camera.
- All right, Cleo.
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- We're ready
for another catfish case.
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- [giggles]
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- All right.
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- You can sit on my lap.
[grunts]
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- Cleo, you have to say,
"'Catfish,' take one."
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- "Catfish," take one.
- Yes.
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- Good. All right,
should we read this email?
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- Yes.
- All right, here we go.
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Here's an email from Camara.
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So the email says,
"Dear Nev, Kamie," and Cleo.
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- And Biggie.
- And Biggie.
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"My name is Camara.
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"Four years ago,
I met my best friend, Vonni.
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"We actually work together
here in Richmond, Virginia.
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"I'm sending you this email
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"because I've been concerned
about Vonni's relationship
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with a guy he met online
named Andrew."
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- Andrew is everything
that Vonni wants in a guy...
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- ♪ And I don't know
what to do ♪
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- And they're getting
very serious.
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- ♪ Loving you was easy ♪
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♪ Till you got yourself
thinking out loud ♪
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- "Vonni is the sweetest guy,
but he's young.
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He's pretty naive."
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- ♪ With my head
in the clouds ♪
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- "And he is so in love
with Andrew,
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but Andrew won't FaceTime."
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Isn't that crazy?
You love to FaceTime.
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"I know Vonni has asked him,
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"but Andrew just
gives him excuses
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and he wants Vonni to move
to Michigan to be with him..."
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- Mm-mm.
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- "Which is crazy
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if they haven't even
video chatted yet."
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- What if he's not real?
- What if he's not real?
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- Right.
- You don't know anything.
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- ♪ With my head
in the clouds ♪
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♪ ♪
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- "To make matters worse,
I just recently found out
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that Vonni
has been sending Andrew money."
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- [sighs]
- Oh, man.
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- Can we get a facepalm?
Like this?
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- "Vonni has been cheated on
more than once,
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"and I know
he is still vulnerable,
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"so when I heard
how shady Andrew's been,
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"I knew I had to do something.
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"I really need your help to see
if this guy is real.
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"It'd be awesome if he really
is Vonni's true match
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"and I'm completely wrong,
but I doubt it.
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"Hope you can help my friend
before it's too late.
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Thank you very much, Camara."
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So if you were going
to tell Vonni
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what he should do right now,
what would you tell him?
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- Get the money back.
[laughter]
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- Yes.
- Get the money back.
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- Agreed.
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- All right, Cleo.
Thank you for your help.
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- Yay. Cleo.
- [giggles]
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- You're hired.
Thank you so much.
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Oh, my God, I love her.
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- All right,
so let's get Camara.
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"Hey, Camara."
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- Just read your email,
and we wanna help.
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Kamara is a good friend.
Oh.
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[computer chimes]
- Oh.
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- Hi.
both: Hey.
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- Wait. We need to know
how to say your name.
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- It's Camara.
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- Camara.
- Yeah.
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- Good to meet you.
- Yeah.
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- Good to meet you, too.
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- Thank you for writing in
on behalf of your friend.
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Sounds like he does need help.
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- Yes.
I'm very concerned about him.
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He's not getting these
red flags.
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- Right.
- And it's very concerning.
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He's been through a lot.
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I'm tired of his heart
being broken.
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- So how serious is he
with Andrew?
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- Very.
He even sends money to him.
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And I said,
"Why would you do that?
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He won't even show his face
on FaceTime."
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I don't know what
this man looks like.
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I don't know barely
anything about him.
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He won't show his face,
but he wanna fly you out
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and want you to quit your job
to come to him.
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- Quit his job?
- Yes. To come to him.
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- You've obviously talked
to Vonni
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about your concerns, right?
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- Yeah.
It's me over here saying,
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"I'm happy for you but
you need to think about this."
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- Or the realistic side,
perhaps?
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- Yeah.
- Vonni is lucky to have you.
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- Thank you.
- Wait.
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So how do you think we should
get in touch with Vonni?
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- Does he know that
you wrote into the show?
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- I mentioned,
but he was like,
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"I doubt they would even
contact you back."
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I guess he will be
just as surprised as I was.
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- What if we stay on the Zoom,
I'll text him,
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"it's Nev and Kamie
and we're with Camara.
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Come on the Zoom."
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All right, I just sent it.
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- You spelled her name wrong.
- [bleep]
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- [laughing]
It's okay.
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- No, it's not.
It will never happen again.
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- [laughing]
Okay.
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- Oh.
- Facepalm.
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- [laughing]
Oh my--no, he didn't.
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- Vonni.
[computer chimes]
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- Hey.
- Vonni.
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- Hey y'all?
How y'all doing?
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- What's up?
- Vonni.
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- Okay, Camara.
Okay.
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- Don't be mad at me.
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- Are you feeling any kind of
way towards your friend here?
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- [laughs]
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- I--I'm nervous.
I'm really nervous.
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- Camara cares about you,
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and she just wants to make sure
that you're not getting played.
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There are some things about
Andrew that are a little fishy.
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- Mm, yeah.
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- Okay.
So you acknowledge that?
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- Yes.
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- Vonni, you need to know
who he really is.
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- Right? Okay.
So we got more to talk about,
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but Camara, I don't want
to keep you all day.
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Thank you for--for writing in.
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- Bye, Camara.
Love you.
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- Bye. I love you too.
Fill me in.
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- I will.
- I need to know.
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- Bye, Camara.
- Bye.
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- Okay, so back to Andrew.
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Can you kind of take us back,
explain how you met,
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and kind of how
the relationship progressed.
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We wanna know everything.
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- Okay. While I was at work,
I was on break...
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but he replies to my story,
he was like,
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"You're beautiful."
I was like, "Oh yeah."
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- And when you saw his page,
did it have a lot of stuff
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on there and friends
and pictures?
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- Uh, no.
He don't get that many friends,
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but like a hundred
and some friends.
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- All right.
But there were photos of him.
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- Yeah.
The same ones he sent me.
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- So then you guys
started chatting.
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- Yeah.
We started chatting.
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That's when I'm like,
"What's your number?"
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The next night, we called
each other on the phone
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having a good conversation
like, you know, the basic.
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I said, "Where you from?"
He said, "Michigan."
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- When you were talking
on the phone,
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it clearly sounded
like a guy's voice?
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- It was a boy voice,
but he started to ask
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about sleeping on the phone,
but he snores so loud.
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- Wait, how quickly
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did you guys start talking
all every night like that?
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- Since the first night.
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- Wow. So you guys
talk still every night?
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- Sometimes we fall asleep
on the phone.
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- Okay.
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And when you're talking to him,
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tell us about the conversations
and what he's like.
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- He is calm, he is funny,
he like to tell jokes.
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He made me feel good.
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Like, he like to
compliment me every day.
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He makes me more confident and
he helped me emotionally, too.
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This is something new for me
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because I've been through
a lot, like,
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the words he tell me, I never
heard from the other boys.
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Plus, he older,
I always dealt with younger.
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- How old is he, exactly?
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- 26.
- Oh, okay.
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What does he do?
- He a entrepreneur.
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He said that he wants
to start a business
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of selling bouncy houses
for kids.
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- So what does
he do currently?
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- Currently unemployment.
It's all I know. Unemployment.
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- He is trying
to get it together.
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- Yeah.
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- Camara told us
that she thinks you and Andrew
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have talked about him,
like, saying,
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"Come move to Michigan."
Is that true?
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- Oh, my God.
She said everything.
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He was telling me about
the entrepreneur stuff
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he want to do.
I'm like, "Oh, I can help you."
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He wanted me to quit my job
to go up there.
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- Wait, do we even know
where he lives in Michigan?
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- He said Detroit, Michigan.
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- Okay.
So he lives in Detroit.
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- But he lives in Detroit,
he's now on unemployment,
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and he wants for you
to quit your job
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to join him on unemployment,
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to figure out
what he's going to do?
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No.
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One side of me wanna go so bad.
- II'm just like--ll.
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- That's not even sustainable.
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- Show us a picture of this guy
'cause I wanna know--
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- Should I turn my phone
to the screen?
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Or should I just send it?
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- You can--you can just hold
your phone up to the screen.
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- He is one.
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- Okay. Light eyes, danger.
He got hazel eyes?
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- The second one.
That's all I got.
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- I think it's fair to say
that a guy who looks that good
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more pictures
he could send you, right?
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- When I ask for more,
it's, like, issues.
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Like,
that's when arguments start.
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- Interesting.
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- Wait, so he won't
send you pictures,
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but he asked you
to send him money?
244
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- Yes.
- How did that come up?
245
00:09:01,041 --> 00:09:02,407
- It just came out of nowhere.
246
00:09:02,476 --> 00:09:03,909
You just said,
247
00:09:03,977 --> 00:09:05,343
"Hey, can you send some money
for some food?"
248
00:09:05,412 --> 00:09:07,345
I'm like,
"Okay, here you go. $25."
249
00:09:07,414 --> 00:09:08,680
Oh,
"I gotta get me a haircut."
250
00:09:08,749 --> 00:09:10,282
$35.
251
00:09:10,350 --> 00:09:14,019
And one time, I just sent him
$275 randomly.
252
00:09:14,087 --> 00:09:15,720
- Why?
- Because I'm in love.
253
00:09:15,789 --> 00:09:16,888
- So you're a sugar daddy?
254
00:09:16,957 --> 00:09:18,323
- And has it all been through
on app?
255
00:09:18,392 --> 00:09:19,491
- Apple Pay.
256
00:09:19,560 --> 00:09:20,992
- It just goes to
his phone number?
257
00:09:21,061 --> 00:09:21,993
- Mm-hmm.
258
00:09:22,062 --> 00:09:23,495
- Has he done anything nice
for you?
259
00:09:23,564 --> 00:09:25,363
Has he paid you back?
260
00:09:25,432 --> 00:09:28,600
- Well, when I send him $25,
he sent me $10 back
261
00:09:28,669 --> 00:09:30,602
just because he said
he didn't need all of it.
262
00:09:30,671 --> 00:09:32,103
- I mean, that's a good move
263
00:09:32,172 --> 00:09:33,838
because it says
you can trust me.
264
00:09:33,907 --> 00:09:35,640
- [clicks tongue]
- Have you done any research?
265
00:09:35,709 --> 00:09:37,275
Have you tried
to run his phone number?
266
00:09:37,344 --> 00:09:39,377
- Well, you know,
I try to put his phone number
267
00:09:39,446 --> 00:09:41,479
in the cash app thing,
you know, you can see--
268
00:09:41,548 --> 00:09:43,181
- Ooh, smart.
- Yes.
269
00:09:43,250 --> 00:09:45,150
- But all that I saw was like,
270
00:09:45,218 --> 00:09:47,886
someone
named Ke'an in their state.
271
00:09:47,955 --> 00:09:49,754
- So wait, you ran his
phone number in the cash app
272
00:09:49,823 --> 00:09:51,790
and it came back
to someone named Ke'an?
273
00:09:51,858 --> 00:09:53,925
- Yeah. That's all.
- That's strange. Right?
274
00:09:53,994 --> 00:09:55,627
Shouldn't it come back
to someone named Andrew?
275
00:09:55,696 --> 00:09:58,330
- That's weird, but I just say,
"You know what? Mm."
276
00:09:58,398 --> 00:10:00,332
- You didn't even bring it up?
- No.
277
00:10:01,368 --> 00:10:04,903
I'm just now telling y'all,
I don't know like.to tell him.
278
00:10:04,972 --> 00:10:07,706
- Vonni. This is the red flag.
- That's a red flag.
279
00:10:07,774 --> 00:10:10,108
- No, but it's right here.
And Vonni said.
280
00:10:10,177 --> 00:10:11,376
- Can you see this?
Wait, maybe he's colorblind.
281
00:10:11,445 --> 00:10:12,677
- I can't even see.
282
00:10:12,746 --> 00:10:14,179
- What color is this?
Can you see this?
283
00:10:14,247 --> 00:10:16,815
- I see the red flag, but
how I do you even mention it?
284
00:10:16,883 --> 00:10:18,883
Because people use
other people's cash apps
285
00:10:18,952 --> 00:10:20,485
all the time,
so that's why I never.
286
00:10:20,554 --> 00:10:22,220
- People use other people's
cash apps all the time
287
00:10:22,289 --> 00:10:25,190
on this show, but that is
part of the problem.
288
00:10:25,258 --> 00:10:29,227
- It do sound weird,
but I'ma still trust him.
289
00:10:29,296 --> 00:10:31,029
- All right, well, look.
We wanna help.
290
00:10:31,098 --> 00:10:32,831
We want you to have
a successful relationship
291
00:10:32,899 --> 00:10:36,267
with a mature person who
appreciates you and loves you.
292
00:10:36,336 --> 00:10:39,237
And maybe it is Andrew,
but we gotta find out.
293
00:10:39,306 --> 00:10:41,940
- Please. And thank you.
- [chuckles]
294
00:10:42,009 --> 00:10:44,242
- All right. Send us
whatever information you have.
295
00:10:44,311 --> 00:10:45,543
- All right.
296
00:10:45,612 --> 00:10:47,646
- And hopefully, we'll have
something for you soon.
297
00:10:47,714 --> 00:10:48,680
- Okay.
Thank you.
298
00:10:48,749 --> 00:10:49,848
- Bye.
- Bye.
299
00:10:49,916 --> 00:10:53,084
A cash app.
- It's all bad.
300
00:10:53,153 --> 00:10:54,753
- I can't believe he found him
on Cash App
301
00:10:54,821 --> 00:10:56,488
and his name was Ke'an
302
00:10:56,556 --> 00:10:58,623
and he didn't even bring it up
because he knows...
303
00:10:58,692 --> 00:10:59,991
- Mm-hmm.
304
00:11:00,060 --> 00:11:02,127
- It could potentially devolve
into a breakup,
305
00:11:02,195 --> 00:11:03,962
and he'd rather just be talking
306
00:11:04,031 --> 00:11:06,731
to someone fake
and fighting with someone real.
307
00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:07,999
- That's the reality.
308
00:11:08,068 --> 00:11:10,368
- Not looking good for Vonni.
309
00:11:11,138 --> 00:11:14,472
ght.
- [imitating fanfare]
310
00:11:14,541 --> 00:11:16,041
And then I feel like we need
a "Catfish" theme song.
311
00:11:16,109 --> 00:11:17,776
♪ Watch out ♪
312
00:11:17,844 --> 00:11:19,144
♪ Danger ♪
313
00:11:19,212 --> 00:11:22,347
♪ Don't send money
to random strangers ♪
314
00:11:22,416 --> 00:11:24,416
- [laughs]
- All right.
315
00:11:24,484 --> 00:11:25,750
- All right.
So here's what we got.
316
00:11:25,819 --> 00:11:27,519
Vonni, 20 years old,
317
00:11:27,587 --> 00:11:29,521
six months ago,
he gets a reply.
318
00:11:29,589 --> 00:11:31,790
"You're so beautiful."
They start chatting.
319
00:11:31,858 --> 00:11:33,992
By the next day,
they are on the phone,
320
00:11:34,061 --> 00:11:36,094
falling asleep
talking to each other.
321
00:11:36,163 --> 00:11:38,897
It's heading very quickly
in a good direction.
322
00:11:38,965 --> 00:11:40,732
- Yeah.
- But there's some problems.
323
00:11:40,801 --> 00:11:42,667
He doesn't have
a lot of pictures of himself.
324
00:11:42,736 --> 00:11:44,636
He doesn't apparently have
any other social media profiles
325
00:11:44,705 --> 00:11:46,304
aside from his Facebook
326
00:11:46,373 --> 00:11:48,206
and also,
Vonni ran the phone number,
327
00:11:48,275 --> 00:11:49,908
but it came back
to a different name.
328
00:11:49,976 --> 00:11:51,176
- Ke'an.
- All right.
329
00:11:51,244 --> 00:11:52,577
Let's see
if we got an email here.
330
00:11:52,646 --> 00:11:54,312
Hey guys, here's what I know
about Andrew.
331
00:11:54,381 --> 00:11:55,547
His last name is Love.
332
00:11:55,615 --> 00:11:58,483
- Andrew Love?
- Never a good sign.
333
00:11:58,552 --> 00:12:00,585
Here's his phone number
and his Facebook
334
00:12:00,654 --> 00:12:02,587
and he's only got
the two pictures.
335
00:12:02,656 --> 00:12:04,289
So let's run the phone number.
336
00:12:04,357 --> 00:12:06,124
- I feel like we're going
to find some nonsense on this.
337
00:12:06,193 --> 00:12:08,126
- Let's just run this.
338
00:12:08,195 --> 00:12:12,397
What?
Martin [bleep]? 57.
339
00:12:12,466 --> 00:12:14,666
Look, we've got a Facebook page
and everything.
340
00:12:14,735 --> 00:12:17,202
- There's nothing
on this page.
341
00:12:17,270 --> 00:12:20,004
- Weird page, right?
- What is happening?
342
00:12:20,073 --> 00:12:21,406
- Could be his dad.
343
00:12:21,475 --> 00:12:22,974
- I'm going to go on a hunch
and say no.
344
00:12:23,043 --> 00:12:24,642
- Right.
All right.
345
00:12:24,711 --> 00:12:26,644
Let's go back now
and run the photos.
346
00:12:26,713 --> 00:12:27,946
Here's the peace sign pic.
347
00:12:28,014 --> 00:12:30,148
All right.
Oh, we got a hit!
348
00:12:30,217 --> 00:12:32,250
- [gasps]
- Whoo!
349
00:12:32,319 --> 00:12:34,152
- Wait.
That's his page.
350
00:12:34,221 --> 00:12:36,154
- Oh, there it is.
This is him.
351
00:12:36,223 --> 00:12:37,722
- That's him.
352
00:12:37,791 --> 00:12:39,424
- Is this page real? Oh yeah.
This is a lot of photos.
353
00:12:39,493 --> 00:12:40,892
- Instagram.
- [gasps]
354
00:12:40,961 --> 00:12:42,994
Oh [bleep], here he is.
355
00:12:43,063 --> 00:12:44,963
- This guy's name is Larson.
356
00:12:45,031 --> 00:12:48,133
- Wow.
- Mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mm.
357
00:12:48,201 --> 00:12:51,536
- That was too easy.
358
00:12:51,605 --> 00:12:53,738
- How do we know that it's not
another catfish profile?
359
00:12:53,807 --> 00:12:56,641
- There's no way someone has
83,000 followers on Instagram
360
00:12:56,710 --> 00:12:57,942
and it's not him.
361
00:12:58,011 --> 00:12:59,310
- I still think we need
to talk to him to make sure.
362
00:12:59,379 --> 00:13:00,979
I feel like Vonni needs,
like, concrete proof.
363
00:13:01,047 --> 00:13:02,447
- You just want to talk
to this guy.
364
00:13:02,516 --> 00:13:04,516
- Well, if we can possibly
connect him with Vonni.
365
00:13:04,584 --> 00:13:07,152
- Hot girl summer,
leave it out there, Kamie.
366
00:13:07,220 --> 00:13:08,286
- No.
- Okay?
367
00:13:08,355 --> 00:13:11,356
- In here,
it's cold case winter.
368
00:13:11,424 --> 00:13:12,724
- [laughing]
- All right?
369
00:13:12,793 --> 00:13:16,327
- I just feel like
if we're going to tell Vonni
370
00:13:16,396 --> 00:13:17,896
that the person
that he's talking to
371
00:13:17,964 --> 00:13:19,330
is not the guy in the picture--
- Right.
372
00:13:19,399 --> 00:13:21,032
It'd be nice for him
to know who the real guy is--
373
00:13:21,101 --> 00:13:22,267
- And he needs proof.
374
00:13:22,335 --> 00:13:23,635
- So I feel like
we should reach out
375
00:13:23,703 --> 00:13:25,336
to this Instagram, then.
- Yeah.
376
00:13:25,405 --> 00:13:28,006
"Hey Larson."
All right, Sent.
377
00:13:28,074 --> 00:13:29,307
The only thing
we haven't done yet
378
00:13:29,376 --> 00:13:31,509
is go to Andrew's
Facebook page.
379
00:13:31,578 --> 00:13:32,911
There's a whole 'nother name
on there.
380
00:13:32,979 --> 00:13:34,379
- Autotic?
381
00:13:34,447 --> 00:13:37,148
- Weird.
- From Pontiac, Michigan.
382
00:13:37,217 --> 00:13:38,950
"There's things
I'm not proud of,
383
00:13:39,019 --> 00:13:40,351
but I'm not perfect."
384
00:13:40,420 --> 00:13:42,387
We know, Andrew.
We know.
385
00:13:42,455 --> 00:13:44,289
Who is that Venus [bleep]?
386
00:13:44,357 --> 00:13:45,523
- Where?
- The first comment.
387
00:13:45,592 --> 00:13:47,492
"I know I'm late
but good afternoon."
388
00:13:47,561 --> 00:13:48,927
- Oh, she commented on this,
too.
389
00:13:48,995 --> 00:13:51,462
This Venus page seems to be
doing a lot of work
390
00:13:51,531 --> 00:13:55,567
to try and make his page
feel real.
391
00:13:55,635 --> 00:13:57,435
- Richmond, Virginia.
- Whoa.
392
00:13:57,504 --> 00:13:59,404
- This feels like
a bogus page, too.
393
00:13:59,472 --> 00:14:00,705
- For sure.
394
00:14:00,774 --> 00:14:02,373
- Should we message her and see
if she wants to help us?
395
00:14:02,442 --> 00:14:04,609
- She's probably Andrew.
- Could be.
396
00:14:04,678 --> 00:14:07,645
Let's send a message
to this Venus girl. Sent.
397
00:14:07,714 --> 00:14:11,249
All right. Let's do what he did
and just run the phone number
398
00:14:11,318 --> 00:14:14,652
in the cash app
and just see what comes up.
399
00:14:14,721 --> 00:14:19,023
Ke'an. And then
his username is Befair [bleep].
400
00:14:19,092 --> 00:14:20,692
- You be fair.
- Which is weird.
401
00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:22,694
Let me see
if we can search that
402
00:14:22,762 --> 00:14:25,296
because there's
a social media search.
403
00:14:25,365 --> 00:14:28,166
So let's see, Befair [bleep].
404
00:14:28,235 --> 00:14:31,035
Potential owner,
William [bleep].
405
00:14:31,104 --> 00:14:33,271
- That's a very
generic-ass name.
406
00:14:33,340 --> 00:14:35,740
Somebody messaged.
Venus, she messaged.
407
00:14:38,612 --> 00:14:40,144
Should I ask her
to get on the Zoom?
408
00:14:40,213 --> 00:14:41,479
- Yeah.
409
00:14:41,548 --> 00:14:42,814
- She said,
"Sorry. I'm at work." Okay.
410
00:14:46,219 --> 00:14:48,386
Autotic [bleep]."
411
00:14:48,455 --> 00:14:52,724
- Oh, we worked together.
- Oh, you mean Larson? What?
412
00:14:52,792 --> 00:14:55,426
Wait a second. That's the name
of the guy in the pictures.
413
00:14:55,495 --> 00:15:00,231
- No. There's no way Autotic
[bleep] is actually Larson.
414
00:15:00,300 --> 00:15:01,833
That's not true.
- [laughing]
415
00:15:01,902 --> 00:15:03,601
This girl obviously knows
that there is someone
416
00:15:03,670 --> 00:15:06,371
named Larson who's the person
in the pictures,
417
00:15:06,439 --> 00:15:08,239
but we thought his name
was Andrew.
418
00:15:09,542 --> 00:15:10,742
This sounds like bull[bleep].
419
00:15:10,810 --> 00:15:11,910
- I said that
from the beginning.
420
00:15:11,978 --> 00:15:14,345
- She knows what's going on.
421
00:15:14,414 --> 00:15:17,382
- Huh? Wait. Huh?
- What? What is this video?
422
00:15:17,450 --> 00:15:20,018
- Him, right?
- Him, right?
423
00:15:20,086 --> 00:15:22,520
Is that supposed to be her?
- Yeah, no. That's not her.
424
00:15:22,589 --> 00:15:24,522
- Yes, him.
- Yes, him. What?
425
00:15:24,591 --> 00:15:26,524
- That's not the girl
in the video.
426
00:15:26,593 --> 00:15:28,893
- No.
It's a Venus flytrap.
427
00:15:35,802 --> 00:15:38,736
- Virginia.
That's where Vonni's from.
428
00:15:38,805 --> 00:15:40,338
I don't understand.
429
00:15:40,407 --> 00:15:42,874
Why would she reveal Larson
to us?
430
00:15:42,943 --> 00:15:44,475
Maybe this is
some weird burner account
431
00:15:44,544 --> 00:15:47,178
that Larson started
'cause he's in a relationship
432
00:15:47,247 --> 00:15:48,947
and he's using this
to talk to Vonni.
433
00:15:49,015 --> 00:15:51,549
We can't completely rule out
that possibility.
434
00:15:51,618 --> 00:15:54,419
Let's see if she can talk
maybe tomorrow.
435
00:15:57,257 --> 00:15:59,057
Let's see if
that actually pans out.
436
00:15:59,125 --> 00:16:01,459
All right. So we've got some
weird information from Venus.
437
00:16:01,528 --> 00:16:03,394
I'll see if any of it's real.
438
00:16:03,463 --> 00:16:05,029
We've got a message out
439
00:16:05,098 --> 00:16:06,698
to the guy who appears is
the real person in the photo.
440
00:16:06,766 --> 00:16:09,367
So let's stop.
Let's talk to Vonni tomorrow.
441
00:16:09,436 --> 00:16:11,803
Venus did mention Virginia...
- Mm-hmm.
442
00:16:11,871 --> 00:16:14,105
- And if we're getting into
some murky waters here
443
00:16:14,174 --> 00:16:15,807
with someone from Virginia
444
00:16:15,875 --> 00:16:19,410
who might be connected
to Vonni, anything is possible.
445
00:16:22,382 --> 00:16:24,048
- I realized today I don't want
to take my braids out ever.
446
00:16:24,117 --> 00:16:26,551
I hate doing my hair.
- [chuckles]
447
00:16:26,619 --> 00:16:28,987
- Please, give me
a [bleep] break.
448
00:16:29,055 --> 00:16:32,090
- All right, let me see
if I got any replies.
449
00:16:32,158 --> 00:16:35,393
Larson wrote back this morning.
"Are you for real?"
450
00:16:35,462 --> 00:16:38,329
- Yes.
- "Yes, I'm for real.
451
00:16:38,398 --> 00:16:43,634
Are you available
in the next 30 minutes?"
452
00:16:43,703 --> 00:16:45,470
He said, "Sure."
Okay, great.
453
00:16:45,538 --> 00:16:47,505
- And then what about Venus?
Did she say anything else?
454
00:16:47,574 --> 00:16:49,173
- That was a Facebook message?
- Mm-hmm.
455
00:16:49,242 --> 00:16:50,541
- No.
I'll just check in with her.
456
00:16:50,610 --> 00:16:56,080
"Hey, Venus. Looking forward
to chatting today."
457
00:16:56,149 --> 00:16:58,282
All right.
Shall we?
458
00:16:58,351 --> 00:17:00,718
- We shall.
- Let's get to work.
459
00:17:00,787 --> 00:17:02,987
I'm gonna text Vonni.
460
00:17:04,624 --> 00:17:06,858
Okay, I can get on right now.
Raring to go.
461
00:17:06,926 --> 00:17:08,192
[computer chimes]
462
00:17:08,261 --> 00:17:10,028
- Hey Vonni.
- What's up?
463
00:17:10,096 --> 00:17:11,462
What's going on, man?
How was your night?
464
00:17:11,531 --> 00:17:14,499
- I'm nervous. I was thinking,
"What are they gonna find?"
465
00:17:14,567 --> 00:17:16,167
I'm scared now.
466
00:17:16,236 --> 00:17:19,437
- Well, hopefully we have
some answers for you.
467
00:17:19,506 --> 00:17:22,006
All right, so I'm going
to share our screen here.
468
00:17:22,075 --> 00:17:24,008
All right, so the first thing
we did yesterday
469
00:17:24,077 --> 00:17:26,310
was we ran
Andrew's phone number.
470
00:17:26,379 --> 00:17:29,414
It came back registered to
someone named Martin [bleep].
471
00:17:29,482 --> 00:17:30,481
You know anyone?
472
00:17:30,550 --> 00:17:31,783
- No.
I've never heard the name.
473
00:17:31,851 --> 00:17:33,284
No.
Mm-mm.
474
00:17:33,353 --> 00:17:34,385
57?
475
00:17:34,454 --> 00:17:35,853
I like them old,
but not that old.
476
00:17:35,922 --> 00:17:38,556
- Right. It's not impossible
that this could be their dad,
477
00:17:38,625 --> 00:17:39,957
or it could just be
478
00:17:40,026 --> 00:17:42,593
some random person
who had the phone before.
479
00:17:42,662 --> 00:17:46,597
- Hopefully the phone is just
in that person name, hopefully.
480
00:17:46,666 --> 00:17:49,700
- After that you had found
a cash app.
481
00:17:49,769 --> 00:17:51,135
- Yeah.
482
00:17:51,204 --> 00:17:52,637
- So we did it too,
and we stopped at Ke'an,
483
00:17:52,705 --> 00:17:56,641
but we also noticed that the
username was Befair [bleep].
484
00:17:56,709 --> 00:17:57,542
- Mm-hmm.
485
00:17:57,610 --> 00:17:59,243
So we looked up eep]
486
00:17:59,312 --> 00:18:02,713
and it came up registered to
someone named William [bleep].
487
00:18:02,782 --> 00:18:03,881
- I never heard
that name before.
488
00:18:03,950 --> 00:18:05,249
- All right.
489
00:18:05,318 --> 00:18:07,785
I mean, that's obviously
a kind of "generic" name.
490
00:18:07,854 --> 00:18:10,354
After that,
we did a photo search
491
00:18:10,423 --> 00:18:14,325
and when we ran the phone,
we got a Twitter.
492
00:18:14,394 --> 00:18:16,127
There's content on here.
493
00:18:16,196 --> 00:18:17,762
There's a lot of content that
you haven't seen, obviously.
494
00:18:17,831 --> 00:18:20,731
- They look really active, too.
- Yeah.
495
00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:22,500
Most importantly, right here,
there's an Instagram account.
496
00:18:22,569 --> 00:18:24,635
And when we go to that,
we find this.
497
00:18:24,704 --> 00:18:26,337
It's got 83,000 followers.
498
00:18:26,406 --> 00:18:28,439
- And this guy's name
is Larson.
499
00:18:28,508 --> 00:18:29,907
- Oh, wow.
500
00:18:29,976 --> 00:18:32,577
- It would appear that Andrew
is taking pictures
501
00:18:32,645 --> 00:18:34,045
of this guy Larson
502
00:18:34,114 --> 00:18:37,181
and set up the page
that you met him on.
503
00:18:37,250 --> 00:18:41,352
- People still do that?
- Yes, unfortunately.
504
00:18:41,421 --> 00:18:42,687
- Oh, my God.
505
00:18:42,755 --> 00:18:45,156
- We haven't completely
ruled out there's a chance
506
00:18:45,225 --> 00:18:47,191
you could be talking
to the guy in the pictures
507
00:18:47,260 --> 00:18:48,793
and that maybe he messaged you
508
00:18:48,862 --> 00:18:50,661
a second sort of
fake burner account.
509
00:18:50,730 --> 00:18:51,896
- Right.
510
00:18:51,965 --> 00:18:53,331
- We sent him a message.
511
00:18:53,399 --> 00:18:55,733
Are you for real?
He messaged back.
512
00:18:55,802 --> 00:18:57,168
- Oh, he text back?
513
00:18:57,237 --> 00:18:58,803
- I said, "Can you talk?"
He said, "Sure."
514
00:18:58,872 --> 00:19:00,138
So let's see if we can get them
to come in right now.
515
00:19:00,206 --> 00:19:03,207
[suspenseful music]
516
00:19:03,276 --> 00:19:05,109
Okay, great. He says, "Sure".
517
00:19:05,178 --> 00:19:08,779
He should pop in any second.
[computer chimes]
518
00:19:08,848 --> 00:19:10,081
- Oh.
- Hello?
519
00:19:10,150 --> 00:19:11,849
- Hey.
- Sorry, I'm at work.
520
00:19:11,918 --> 00:19:13,818
I only have like
ten minutes on break.
521
00:19:13,887 --> 00:19:15,253
- Oh, well, thank you
522
00:19:15,321 --> 00:19:18,089
for making a little bit time
for us. This is Vonni.
523
00:19:18,158 --> 00:19:20,124
He's been in a relationship
with some guy
524
00:19:20,193 --> 00:19:25,363
for about six months now
who looks exactly like you.
525
00:19:25,431 --> 00:19:27,899
So I have to ask, Larson,
526
00:19:27,967 --> 00:19:31,736
are you in a relationship
with Vonni?
527
00:19:31,804 --> 00:19:33,738
- It's not me.
528
00:19:33,806 --> 00:19:37,074
To be honest,
this happens a lot.
529
00:19:37,143 --> 00:19:38,409
- How often do people
530
00:19:38,478 --> 00:19:41,245
use your pictures
to make fake profiles?
531
00:19:41,314 --> 00:19:43,247
- I can't even count
on both hands.
532
00:19:43,316 --> 00:19:46,117
I mean sometimes I'd be like,
it's really nothing I can do,
533
00:19:46,186 --> 00:19:47,485
but just say to report them
534
00:19:47,554 --> 00:19:49,253
'cause it's on
different platforms.
535
00:19:49,322 --> 00:19:50,354
- Yeah.
536
00:19:50,423 --> 00:19:51,822
- Well, Vonni has been talking
to someone
537
00:19:51,891 --> 00:19:53,624
who was using your pictures,
538
00:19:53,693 --> 00:19:57,028
who called themselves Andrew
and said they lived in Detroit.
539
00:19:57,096 --> 00:19:58,963
And I'm wondering
if any of this sounds familiar.
540
00:19:59,032 --> 00:20:00,498
- Doesn't sound
familiar at all.
541
00:20:00,567 --> 00:20:01,699
- Okay.
542
00:20:01,768 --> 00:20:03,201
- Vonni, we haven't gotten
to this yet,
543
00:20:03,269 --> 00:20:05,937
but Larson, do you know
of anyone named Venus?
544
00:20:06,005 --> 00:20:08,706
- Oh, yeah, a girl, maybe?
- Venus [bleep]?
545
00:20:08,775 --> 00:20:10,908
- No, I don't know Venus.
546
00:20:10,977 --> 00:20:14,011
- All right, so Larson,
thank you for getting in touch.
547
00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:15,513
Appreciate you
clearing this up.
548
00:20:15,582 --> 00:20:16,647
- Thank you, Larson.
549
00:20:16,716 --> 00:20:17,949
- I'm so sorry.
550
00:20:18,017 --> 00:20:19,817
- It's okay.
- All right.
551
00:20:19,886 --> 00:20:20,718
- Thank you
- Thank you, Larson.
552
00:20:20,787 --> 00:20:22,353
- Thanks, Larson.
553
00:20:22,422 --> 00:20:24,055
- That's the answer
right there.
554
00:20:24,123 --> 00:20:25,656
I got played.
555
00:20:25,725 --> 00:20:28,593
[downbeat music]
556
00:20:28,661 --> 00:20:31,395
- I feel like a part of you
isn't that shocked
557
00:20:31,464 --> 00:20:35,366
because there were some signs
along the way.
558
00:20:35,435 --> 00:20:39,036
- There was. I just didn't--
me, I'm just scared to, like,
559
00:20:39,105 --> 00:20:41,205
question somebody, like,
if something not right.
560
00:20:41,274 --> 00:20:44,742
- You didn't wanna mess things
up by grilling him too hard?
561
00:20:44,811 --> 00:20:46,611
- Yeah, exactly.
That's how I am.
562
00:20:46,679 --> 00:20:49,580
And I just hate
hurting somebody else.
563
00:20:50,650 --> 00:20:52,383
Here's what my therapist says
- But heto me.he thing.
564
00:20:52,452 --> 00:20:55,453
Every single time
you give someone else a pass
565
00:20:55,521 --> 00:20:56,854
because you don't wanna
hurt them,
566
00:20:56,923 --> 00:20:57,989
you end up hurting yourself.
567
00:20:58,057 --> 00:21:01,259
- And you're right.
You're right.
568
00:21:01,327 --> 00:21:04,128
- Well, why don't we finish
showing you what we found?
569
00:21:04,197 --> 00:21:07,198
You sent us his Facebook,
which we went to look at.
570
00:21:07,267 --> 00:21:09,233
The only thing we really
noticed from this was that
571
00:21:09,302 --> 00:21:11,168
on almost every post,
572
00:21:11,237 --> 00:21:13,904
there's a comment
from this girl, Venus,
573
00:21:13,973 --> 00:21:15,072
the girl we asked Larson
about.
574
00:21:15,141 --> 00:21:16,474
- Who the [bleep] is Venus?
575
00:21:16,542 --> 00:21:18,609
- That's what we want to know.
So we went to her page.
576
00:21:18,678 --> 00:21:20,177
That was the first thing
we thought.
577
00:21:20,246 --> 00:21:22,013
- Wait, wait, wait,
look at that new post.
578
00:21:22,081 --> 00:21:23,447
"If it's not obvious already,
579
00:21:23,516 --> 00:21:26,050
"stay away from this 'person'
Venus [bleep].
580
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:27,318
"Straight up scammer.
581
00:21:27,387 --> 00:21:29,120
#Catfish."
- Wow.
582
00:21:29,188 --> 00:21:31,722
- Then somebody said,
"How do you know it's a scam?"
583
00:21:31,791 --> 00:21:33,924
- And then he said, "'cuz she
text me out of the blue
584
00:21:33,993 --> 00:21:36,160
asking for money.
That's a big red flag."
585
00:21:36,229 --> 00:21:38,262
Why would she leave this
on her page?
586
00:21:38,331 --> 00:21:39,463
- She probably hasn't seen it.
587
00:21:39,532 --> 00:21:40,965
It was only posted
a few hours ago.
588
00:21:41,034 --> 00:21:42,600
- Wow, okay.
589
00:21:42,669 --> 00:21:44,902
Well, 'cause we were suspicious
that this page felt fake.
590
00:21:44,971 --> 00:21:47,038
- Mm-hmm.
- Something not right.
591
00:21:47,106 --> 00:21:48,639
- So we messaged her,
592
00:21:48,708 --> 00:21:51,475
"Hey, wondering
how you know Autotic [bleep]."
593
00:21:51,544 --> 00:21:52,643
- 'Cause that's
his Facebook name.
594
00:21:52,712 --> 00:21:54,779
- Right. She said,
"Oh, you mean Larson?"
595
00:21:54,847 --> 00:21:56,414
- Oh, wow.
596
00:21:56,482 --> 00:21:58,082
- I said, "We thought
his name was Andrew.
597
00:21:58,151 --> 00:21:59,583
How do you know Larson?"
598
00:21:59,652 --> 00:22:01,285
"Oh, we're just friends"
and they hang out.
599
00:22:01,354 --> 00:22:02,653
I said, "Well,
when did you see him last?"
600
00:22:02,722 --> 00:22:05,256
And she said,
"Virginia before COVID."
601
00:22:05,325 --> 00:22:07,692
- Virginia, really?
- Virginia.
602
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,360
- 'Cause I live in Virginia.
- Right.
603
00:22:09,429 --> 00:22:10,695
- It's not impossible
604
00:22:10,763 --> 00:22:12,563
that this could be
someone from your past.
605
00:22:12,632 --> 00:22:15,766
- The way it's looking right
now between that Venus post
606
00:22:15,835 --> 00:22:17,468
and this situation,
607
00:22:17,537 --> 00:22:21,205
I have a feeling that
there are at least two people
608
00:22:21,274 --> 00:22:25,009
who are working in tandem
to scam and lie and get money.
609
00:22:25,078 --> 00:22:26,544
- Money?
610
00:22:26,612 --> 00:22:28,379
- Well, yeah, and you have been
giving him money, so.
611
00:22:28,448 --> 00:22:29,313
- Yes.
612
00:22:29,382 --> 00:22:30,848
- Unfortunately, we now know
613
00:22:30,917 --> 00:22:33,484
whoever you're talking to
lied about the photos.
614
00:22:33,553 --> 00:22:34,518
- Mm-hmm.
615
00:22:34,587 --> 00:22:36,053
- Now, what else
did they lie about?
616
00:22:36,122 --> 00:22:37,421
We don't know.
617
00:22:37,490 --> 00:22:39,156
At this point,
the only way to get the answers
618
00:22:39,225 --> 00:22:40,691
is to just reach out to them.
619
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:45,262
- Hopefully, he just be 100
and maybe it'll work out.
620
00:22:45,331 --> 00:22:47,365
- You still feel like
there's a chance?
621
00:22:47,433 --> 00:22:49,333
- There could be a reason
why he doing this like,
622
00:22:49,402 --> 00:22:50,568
he couldn't have been
through something.
623
00:22:50,636 --> 00:22:52,570
- True.
- I think at this point,
624
00:22:52,638 --> 00:22:55,573
our only option now
is to call Andrew
625
00:22:55,641 --> 00:22:57,541
on the phone number
that you have.
626
00:22:57,610 --> 00:23:01,512
Let's just see if he answers.
[line trilling]
627
00:23:01,581 --> 00:23:03,047
- Hello.
628
00:23:03,116 --> 00:23:04,382
- Hey, is this Andrew?
629
00:23:04,450 --> 00:23:05,783
- Yes.
- Man.
630
00:23:05,852 --> 00:23:08,686
- Hey, Andrew, it's Nev
from the TV show "Catfish"
631
00:23:08,755 --> 00:23:12,757
and I am calling because
we've been chatting with Vonni
632
00:23:12,825 --> 00:23:14,125
and we're really hoping
633
00:23:14,193 --> 00:23:17,294
we could finally help
you guys meet up.
634
00:23:17,363 --> 00:23:18,362
So--
[line disconnects]
635
00:23:18,431 --> 00:23:20,197
He hung up.
- Lord, have mercy.
636
00:23:20,266 --> 00:23:21,399
- What the [bleep]?
637
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:26,470
- Hey, is this Andrew?
638
00:23:27,774 --> 00:23:32,042
- Hey, Andrew, it's Nev
from the TV show "Catfish"
639
00:23:32,111 --> 00:23:36,480
and I am calling because
we've been chatting with Vonni
640
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:40,684
we could finally help
an you guys meet up.ing
641
00:23:40,753 --> 00:23:42,486
So--
[line disconnects]
642
00:23:42,555 --> 00:23:43,587
That was weird.
643
00:23:43,656 --> 00:23:44,789
- He hung up?
- Yeah.
644
00:23:44,857 --> 00:23:46,457
What the [bleep]?
- Call him back now.
645
00:23:46,526 --> 00:23:47,992
- Let me try him back.
That was the weird.
646
00:23:48,060 --> 00:23:50,027
[line trilling]
647
00:23:50,096 --> 00:23:53,230
[suspenseful music]
648
00:23:53,299 --> 00:23:55,499
- Please leave your message
for--
649
00:23:55,568 --> 00:23:57,935
- Let me text him.
650
00:23:58,004 --> 00:24:01,405
"Hey, Andrew, it's Nev.
651
00:24:01,474 --> 00:24:04,842
Please call me back."
652
00:24:04,911 --> 00:24:09,580
- That was weird.
That was his voice?
653
00:24:09,649 --> 00:24:12,249
- Yeah, that's the voice.
That's it. Mm-hmm.
654
00:24:12,318 --> 00:24:14,318
- The concerning part is that
there seems to be
655
00:24:14,387 --> 00:24:17,121
a weird connection
between Andrew and Venus
656
00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:20,357
and Venus now very well
might be a scammer.
657
00:24:20,426 --> 00:24:22,126
It certainly looks
that way from their--
658
00:24:22,195 --> 00:24:23,761
- Right, you can tell.
659
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:25,830
The profile seemed weird,
anyway.
660
00:24:25,898 --> 00:24:29,266
- Right, and I don't wanna say,
you know, birds of a feather,
661
00:24:29,335 --> 00:24:33,537
but they seem
to be flocking together.
662
00:24:33,606 --> 00:24:36,540
- I'm hurt because
I, like, trust him.
663
00:24:36,609 --> 00:24:40,044
Like, I really, like,
wanted something to work.
664
00:24:40,112 --> 00:24:41,512
♪ ♪
665
00:24:41,581 --> 00:24:43,380
I was really looking forward
to move,
666
00:24:43,449 --> 00:24:45,749
to be honest,
and start a new beginning.
667
00:24:45,818 --> 00:24:47,985
- You were actually thinking
about moving to Detroit?
668
00:24:48,054 --> 00:24:49,587
- Yes, I was.
I was thinking about it.
669
00:24:49,655 --> 00:24:53,257
Like I said,
I thought it was for real.
670
00:24:53,326 --> 00:24:54,525
Like we could really go
do this.
671
00:24:54,594 --> 00:24:57,528
We probably can still do this,
but come on.
672
00:24:57,597 --> 00:24:58,829
What you waiting on?
673
00:24:58,898 --> 00:25:00,798
- You feel strongly enough
about him that even though
674
00:25:00,867 --> 00:25:02,366
you know he's not the guy
in the pictures,
675
00:25:02,435 --> 00:25:05,970
you still really want somehow
for this to work out?
676
00:25:06,038 --> 00:25:07,304
- I just wanna talk.
677
00:25:07,373 --> 00:25:09,240
Maybe it can, like,
you can just talk first
678
00:25:09,308 --> 00:25:11,408
then maybe something
can happen, like.
679
00:25:11,477 --> 00:25:13,978
♪ ♪
680
00:25:14,046 --> 00:25:15,913
- Yeah.
681
00:25:15,982 --> 00:25:17,348
Do you guys say
you love each other?
682
00:25:17,416 --> 00:25:20,251
- ♪ Being half
under the water ♪
683
00:25:20,319 --> 00:25:22,119
♪ Tell me,
do you see me? ♪
684
00:25:22,188 --> 00:25:25,256
- He said it first.
- He said it first?
685
00:25:25,324 --> 00:25:26,857
- The first time,
I was joking.
686
00:25:26,926 --> 00:25:30,160
I'm like, "Oh, you for real?"
He said, "Yes, I'm for real."
687
00:25:30,229 --> 00:25:33,364
I'm like, "Oh, I see."
- Oh.
688
00:25:33,432 --> 00:25:36,767
- It's something new for me,
really.
689
00:25:36,836 --> 00:25:38,302
So that's why I was so excited.
690
00:25:38,371 --> 00:25:40,838
- Maybe there's still reason
to be excited,
691
00:25:40,907 --> 00:25:43,841
but there's definitely a reason
to ask some questions.
692
00:25:43,910 --> 00:25:45,976
- Yeah,
it's a lot of questions.
693
00:25:46,045 --> 00:25:48,212
- Yeah.
- All right. Cool.
694
00:25:48,281 --> 00:25:49,847
- All right, well, look,
obviously now
695
00:25:49,916 --> 00:25:52,750
Andrew knows that we're trying
to figure this out.
696
00:25:52,818 --> 00:25:55,019
So I don't know what else
697
00:25:55,087 --> 00:25:56,787
I can do to try
and get in touch with him.
698
00:25:56,856 --> 00:25:58,422
Like obviously tried
calling him back.
699
00:25:58,491 --> 00:26:00,958
I sent him this message.
I don't--he's not responded.
700
00:26:01,027 --> 00:26:02,526
I feel like at this point,
701
00:26:02,595 --> 00:26:05,362
I kind of think
it has to come from you now.
702
00:26:05,431 --> 00:26:06,864
I think he needs
a little motivation
703
00:26:06,933 --> 00:26:08,332
and inspiration here.
704
00:26:08,401 --> 00:26:10,067
- Should I text him
or call him?
705
00:26:10,136 --> 00:26:11,602
- Whatever you wanna do.
706
00:26:11,671 --> 00:26:12,970
You know,
just speak from the heart.
707
00:26:13,039 --> 00:26:14,939
- I'm gonna text him first.
- Okay.
708
00:26:15,007 --> 00:26:17,374
[dramatic music]
709
00:26:17,443 --> 00:26:19,410
- "Hey, you getting on Zoom?
710
00:26:19,478 --> 00:26:21,345
I heard you talking
to Nev and Kamie."
711
00:26:21,414 --> 00:26:25,015
"We also spoke to Venus.
I really wanna talk to you.
712
00:26:25,084 --> 00:26:26,584
Maybe we can make
something work."
713
00:26:26,652 --> 00:26:31,355
♪ ♪
714
00:26:31,424 --> 00:26:34,959
- He usually texts back quick.
715
00:26:35,027 --> 00:26:37,528
- [gasps]
- Oh, oh, we got a reply.
716
00:26:42,134 --> 00:26:44,201
- This weird, oh, my God.
717
00:26:44,270 --> 00:26:46,837
- All right,
so this is all you now, Vonni.
718
00:26:46,906 --> 00:26:48,639
- "Yes, of course."
719
00:26:48,708 --> 00:26:51,008
♪ ♪
720
00:26:51,077 --> 00:26:53,677
- I'm nervous.
Kinda scared.
721
00:26:53,746 --> 00:26:56,213
- Oh, there are some bubbles.
There we go.
722
00:26:56,282 --> 00:26:58,148
- [gasps]
Send a link.
723
00:26:58,217 --> 00:27:00,417
- Let me text you the link
724
00:27:00,486 --> 00:27:02,620
and then you can just
copy-paste it from your phone.
725
00:27:02,688 --> 00:27:06,657
♪ ♪
726
00:27:06,726 --> 00:27:07,925
- He typing.
727
00:27:07,994 --> 00:27:10,561
Oh, he said okay.
- Oh, whoa, great.
728
00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:12,896
So is he just gonna jump in
to Zoom any second now?
729
00:27:12,965 --> 00:27:15,099
- Ooh.
730
00:27:15,167 --> 00:27:17,768
- How do you feel, Vonnie?
- I'm nervous.
731
00:27:17,837 --> 00:27:20,704
I don't know if I'm cold
or I'm just nervous.
732
00:27:20,773 --> 00:27:22,673
[suspenseful music]
733
00:27:22,742 --> 00:27:24,074
I'm a chicken.
734
00:27:24,143 --> 00:27:26,543
♪ ♪
735
00:27:26,612 --> 00:27:30,614
[computer chimes]
- Oh, who is this?
736
00:27:32,985 --> 00:27:35,285
- He sure knows
how to take his time.
737
00:27:35,354 --> 00:27:38,188
[computer chimes]
- Oh, hey.
738
00:27:38,257 --> 00:27:41,025
Who--who is this?
739
00:27:41,093 --> 00:27:44,595
- I am Kehondre.
- Kehondre?
740
00:27:44,664 --> 00:27:46,063
So you're Andrew?
741
00:27:46,132 --> 00:27:48,032
- Yes.
- Well, hello.
742
00:27:48,100 --> 00:27:49,566
Vonni, you know
who this person is?
743
00:27:49,635 --> 00:27:52,002
- No.
- Kehondre, do you know Vonnie?
744
00:27:52,071 --> 00:27:53,971
- No.
- Okay.
745
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,339
We have a lot of questions,
746
00:27:55,408 --> 00:27:58,942
but I don't wanna get
in the way of you guys
747
00:27:59,011 --> 00:28:01,078
or in this case,
you, Kehondre,
748
00:28:01,147 --> 00:28:02,513
I don't know
if you wanna say something
749
00:28:02,581 --> 00:28:04,214
to kind of
get things going here,
750
00:28:04,283 --> 00:28:06,950
but obviously, you have
some explaining to do.
751
00:28:07,019 --> 00:28:08,318
- Oh, yeah.
752
00:28:08,387 --> 00:28:13,791
Well, it started off
as, um, a...
753
00:28:13,859 --> 00:28:15,359
a scheme.
754
00:28:15,428 --> 00:28:17,361
- Scheme?
- Yeah.
755
00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:20,364
Like, I've been catfishing
for about two--
756
00:28:20,433 --> 00:28:22,266
about a year and a half,
two years.
757
00:28:22,334 --> 00:28:24,535
I have a female profile,
which is Venus.
758
00:28:24,603 --> 00:28:27,638
- You Venus, too?
- Yeah, I am Venus.
759
00:28:27,707 --> 00:28:29,473
I've been doing it
for a year and a half.
760
00:28:29,542 --> 00:28:32,710
So yes,
I've been--I scam people.
761
00:28:32,778 --> 00:28:35,813
COVID was going on
when I started to make the page
762
00:28:35,881 --> 00:28:37,514
and it went off from there
763
00:28:37,583 --> 00:28:39,416
and I just started
scamming people.
764
00:28:39,485 --> 00:28:42,920
I didn't have no money,
I had no income, no nothing,
765
00:28:42,988 --> 00:28:44,922
so I had to make a quick way
to get money
766
00:28:44,990 --> 00:28:47,591
and that's how I--
that's how I decided to do it.
767
00:28:47,660 --> 00:28:49,727
- So you led me on
for six months
768
00:28:49,795 --> 00:28:52,596
talked about--you talked
about living together.
769
00:28:52,665 --> 00:28:54,565
Was that real or?
770
00:28:54,633 --> 00:28:58,268
- When I started,
it was to get money out of you,
771
00:28:58,337 --> 00:29:00,871
but it ended up turning
into something different
772
00:29:00,940 --> 00:29:03,874
and it just went too far.
773
00:29:03,943 --> 00:29:05,275
Everything was real.
774
00:29:05,344 --> 00:29:08,312
I just wasn't the person
in the pictures, obviously.
775
00:29:08,380 --> 00:29:09,913
- Well, it wasn't real
776
00:29:09,982 --> 00:29:11,615
because even though you're
saying you like Vonnie now,
777
00:29:11,684 --> 00:29:15,919
you initially met him and
presumably lots of other people
778
00:29:15,988 --> 00:29:17,521
to scam them.
779
00:29:17,590 --> 00:29:21,358
- Yes, and pay my bills.
So yeah, I did.
780
00:29:21,427 --> 00:29:22,893
- So you was talking
to multiple people
781
00:29:22,962 --> 00:29:24,094
while you was talking to me,
782
00:29:24,163 --> 00:29:25,429
like, doing that
with other people
783
00:29:25,498 --> 00:29:27,231
while you was talking
to the same time?
784
00:29:29,001 --> 00:29:33,470
You weren't gonna pay my bills,
how else I got to do it?
785
00:29:33,539 --> 00:29:35,939
I did what I did. It's over.
It happened, okay?
786
00:29:36,008 --> 00:29:37,775
Oh, well, I scam people.
787
00:29:37,843 --> 00:29:40,410
You see me, I see you.
Like, what's the problem?
788
00:29:40,479 --> 00:29:42,146
- The problem is
scamming people.
789
00:29:42,214 --> 00:29:43,514
That's the problem.
790
00:29:43,582 --> 00:29:47,684
- Okay, well, I did it.
I'm here. So now what?
791
00:29:47,753 --> 00:29:53,423
- Okay, why don't we do this--
where do you live?
792
00:29:53,492 --> 00:29:55,392
- I live in a town
named Pontiac, Michigan.
793
00:29:55,461 --> 00:29:58,562
- Are you 26?
- Yes, I'm 26.
794
00:29:58,631 --> 00:30:02,232
- Okay,
and you don't have a job
795
00:30:02,301 --> 00:30:03,667
that you have to clock into
every day?
796
00:30:03,736 --> 00:30:05,302
- No. I don't have
a nine to five.
797
00:30:05,371 --> 00:30:06,703
No, I do not.
798
00:30:06,772 --> 00:30:10,207
- Okay, so this is
your main source of income?
799
00:30:10,276 --> 00:30:11,675
- Yes, it is.
800
00:30:11,744 --> 00:30:14,344
- How many people do you think
you've talked to in total
801
00:30:14,413 --> 00:30:16,847
using the profiles
over the last year and a half?
802
00:30:16,916 --> 00:30:18,182
- It's been hundreds.
803
00:30:18,250 --> 00:30:19,850
- Okay, so a lot--
a lot of people?
804
00:30:19,919 --> 00:30:21,151
- Mm-hmm.
805
00:30:21,220 --> 00:30:24,154
- And about how many
of those relationships
806
00:30:24,223 --> 00:30:26,890
or those conversations end up
807
00:30:26,959 --> 00:30:30,427
making it to the level where
they're sending you money?
808
00:30:30,496 --> 00:30:32,496
- Mostly all of them.
- Wow.
809
00:30:32,565 --> 00:30:33,530
- That's how I make the money.
810
00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:34,565
That's how I make
the money I make.
811
00:30:34,633 --> 00:30:36,466
- So you're pretty good
at this?
812
00:30:36,535 --> 00:30:38,135
- Yes.
- Wow.
813
00:30:38,204 --> 00:30:40,337
- But you are aware that, like,
you're getting called out.
814
00:30:40,406 --> 00:30:42,606
Like, somebody was literally
on the Venus page today
815
00:30:42,675 --> 00:30:46,243
posting screenshots
saying that you're a scammer.
816
00:30:46,312 --> 00:30:48,045
- That's fine.
I'll make another page.
817
00:30:48,113 --> 00:30:50,347
[chuckles]
That's fine. It don't stop.
818
00:30:50,416 --> 00:30:52,316
That's--they don't understand.
It don't stop.
819
00:30:52,384 --> 00:30:54,418
- Have you made
new pages already?
820
00:30:54,486 --> 00:30:56,954
- Yeah, that's--them are new.
Them are new pages.
821
00:30:57,022 --> 00:30:59,323
- And what do you do when
people wanna talk to Venus?
822
00:30:59,391 --> 00:31:01,959
- [high-pitched voice]
Hey, how are you. What's up?
823
00:31:02,027 --> 00:31:03,493
- I can't.
824
00:31:06,265 --> 00:31:08,632
- It's--it's the game, y'all.
Y'all gotta know the game.
825
00:31:08,701 --> 00:31:10,500
It's the game.
That's all it is.
826
00:31:10,569 --> 00:31:12,035
- Well, was it a game
or do you like him?
827
00:31:12,104 --> 00:31:14,004
'Cause you said that
your relationship with Vonnie
828
00:31:14,073 --> 00:31:15,472
did mean something to you?
829
00:31:15,541 --> 00:31:17,074
- Yes, I started
catching feelings for him.
830
00:31:17,142 --> 00:31:18,475
Yes, I did.
831
00:31:18,544 --> 00:31:20,944
The way he texts me,
the way he cared,
832
00:31:21,013 --> 00:31:24,848
the way he just carry himself,
like, when we got on phone,
833
00:31:24,917 --> 00:31:28,118
he like, he said some things
that really made me think,
834
00:31:28,187 --> 00:31:29,419
like, "Oh, my God,
835
00:31:29,488 --> 00:31:32,122
this is a wrong person
to be doing this to."
836
00:31:32,191 --> 00:31:33,657
♪ ♪
837
00:31:33,726 --> 00:31:36,693
- After that point, did you
continue asking him for money?
838
00:31:36,762 --> 00:31:38,996
- He sent me like two payments
and then after that
839
00:31:39,064 --> 00:31:40,264
it was nothing.
840
00:31:40,332 --> 00:31:43,100
- So how you feeling right now?
Like--
841
00:31:43,168 --> 00:31:45,269
- I mean, I feel the same way.
842
00:31:45,337 --> 00:31:46,870
There's nothing
that's gonna change, like,
843
00:31:46,939 --> 00:31:50,240
I still want to be with you.
I want to get to know you,
844
00:31:50,309 --> 00:31:54,645
and I want to take this off
of what I did
845
00:31:54,713 --> 00:31:55,913
and I apologize.
846
00:31:55,981 --> 00:31:57,814
- If you wanted
to work something out,
847
00:31:57,883 --> 00:31:59,316
you could have stopped
doing that scam [bleep]
848
00:31:59,385 --> 00:32:00,817
or whatever [bleep]
you be doing.
849
00:32:00,886 --> 00:32:02,686
- Yeah, I do what I do.
850
00:32:02,755 --> 00:32:04,288
Like, I don't see
a problem with it.
851
00:32:04,356 --> 00:32:07,124
- You don't see a problem
with catfishing
852
00:32:07,192 --> 00:32:08,191
and scamming people?
853
00:32:08,260 --> 00:32:11,128
- Scamming?
- No.
854
00:32:11,196 --> 00:32:14,564
You're old enough to know
what to do and what not to do
855
00:32:14,633 --> 00:32:16,099
and what not to do
to get scammed.
856
00:32:16,168 --> 00:32:17,434
Like what?
857
00:32:17,503 --> 00:32:19,036
- But then you could also make
the argument
858
00:32:19,104 --> 00:32:21,939
that you're old enough to know
that scamming people is wrong.
859
00:32:22,007 --> 00:32:24,708
- To you, it's wrong.
To me, it's not wrong.
860
00:32:24,777 --> 00:32:26,743
- No, to everybody it's wrong.
861
00:32:26,812 --> 00:32:29,680
- Well, that's y'all opinion.
To me, it's not wrong.
862
00:32:32,251 --> 00:32:35,786
- Right, that's what--that's
what is gagging me literally.
863
00:32:35,854 --> 00:32:38,789
- Right, all this a game--
- No, because y'all--
864
00:32:38,857 --> 00:32:40,290
y'all just sit here
thinking like,
865
00:32:40,359 --> 00:32:41,825
like--like
I'm just a bad person--
866
00:32:41,894 --> 00:32:43,560
- Hey, you not even planning
to stop.
867
00:32:43,629 --> 00:32:45,796
You wanna keep going.
- I mean, look.
868
00:32:45,864 --> 00:32:48,799
Vonnie should have
known better,
869
00:32:48,867 --> 00:32:53,503
but he didn't and he's generous
and he's sweet and he's kind,
870
00:32:53,572 --> 00:32:55,205
and you took advantage of that.
871
00:32:55,274 --> 00:33:00,644
You definitely hurt him
and wasted his time
872
00:33:00,713 --> 00:33:04,281
and, you know, took money
from him under false pretenses.
873
00:33:04,350 --> 00:33:05,816
And those are all
pretty [bleep] up things
874
00:33:05,884 --> 00:33:07,150
to do to someone.
875
00:33:07,219 --> 00:33:08,352
- Exactly.
876
00:33:08,420 --> 00:33:09,686
- Right?
You can acknowledge that.
877
00:33:09,755 --> 00:33:10,854
- Mm-hmm.
878
00:33:10,923 --> 00:33:13,056
- For you to sit here
and say like,
879
00:33:13,125 --> 00:33:15,392
"I don't see anything
wrong with it. It's cool.
880
00:33:15,461 --> 00:33:18,061
If they get scammed,
it's their fault."
881
00:33:18,130 --> 00:33:19,463
Like, that's not real talk.
882
00:33:19,531 --> 00:33:22,032
That's you trying to justify
your [bleep] behavior
883
00:33:22,101 --> 00:33:24,167
and not feel bad about it.
884
00:33:24,236 --> 00:33:26,670
- I'm not justifying anything.
It's just what I do.
885
00:33:26,739 --> 00:33:28,438
I do what I do
and I do what I do
886
00:33:28,507 --> 00:33:30,273
and I don't want
to be judged for it.
887
00:33:30,342 --> 00:33:32,075
- Okay, well.
888
00:33:32,144 --> 00:33:33,643
- All right, then let's
not talk about that.
889
00:33:33,712 --> 00:33:35,512
Let's talk about Vonnie.
890
00:33:35,581 --> 00:33:38,281
Because you have a lot
of confidence
891
00:33:38,350 --> 00:33:40,450
to sort of come on here
and say,
892
00:33:40,519 --> 00:33:42,285
"Hey, you know,
that's what I do.
893
00:33:42,354 --> 00:33:43,653
"I'm not gonna stop doing it,
894
00:33:43,722 --> 00:33:45,122
but
I still want to be with you."
895
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:47,357
And I don't know
what you expected him to say.
896
00:33:47,426 --> 00:33:49,993
- That we just--
- Scam together?
897
00:33:50,062 --> 00:33:53,463
- [laughs]
No.
898
00:33:53,532 --> 00:33:55,799
That is not--that was not
what I was thinking,
899
00:33:55,868 --> 00:33:57,634
because I don't want you
in there, like--
900
00:33:57,703 --> 00:34:00,504
- I won't go do it, trust me.
Mm-mm.
901
00:34:00,572 --> 00:34:04,408
- But, I mean, rather I was
hoping that you was like,
902
00:34:04,476 --> 00:34:06,109
"Okay, well,
you do what you do.
903
00:34:06,178 --> 00:34:08,478
"That's not on me.
We're gonna rock out.
904
00:34:08,547 --> 00:34:09,646
"We gonna get
to know each other,
905
00:34:09,715 --> 00:34:11,615
but whatever you do,
that's on you."
906
00:34:11,683 --> 00:34:16,186
I'm a provider,
so I was gonna be a provider.
907
00:34:16,255 --> 00:34:18,221
Now if y'all want
to be honest,
908
00:34:18,290 --> 00:34:19,456
I'm in love with Vonnie.
909
00:34:19,525 --> 00:34:21,191
I love him
and I want to be with him.
910
00:34:21,260 --> 00:34:23,627
I wanna pursue a future
with him,
911
00:34:23,695 --> 00:34:27,264
but like I said, it's money.
912
00:34:27,332 --> 00:34:28,632
Y'all ought to understand that.
913
00:34:28,700 --> 00:34:31,701
I--I--I never, I don't--
I don't care what nobody say.
914
00:34:31,770 --> 00:34:33,270
Making this amount of money
915
00:34:33,338 --> 00:34:35,505
got me from where I was
living at in the hood.
916
00:34:35,574 --> 00:34:37,107
I don't have nobody at home,
917
00:34:37,176 --> 00:34:39,009
I can't ask nobody for nothing,
I can't do none of that.
918
00:34:39,078 --> 00:34:41,778
So with me doing that,
that's me providing for me.
919
00:34:41,847 --> 00:34:43,580
If you--if you can't deal
with that, I'm sorry.
920
00:34:43,649 --> 00:34:46,550
- Just stop.
921
00:34:46,618 --> 00:34:48,618
- And what about your life
in Pontiac?
922
00:34:48,687 --> 00:34:53,023
I mean, are--
are you dating anyone?
923
00:34:53,092 --> 00:34:56,026
- No, but I do have something
to tell Vonnie.
924
00:34:56,095 --> 00:34:58,261
- Oh, Jesus Christ.
925
00:34:58,330 --> 00:35:01,531
- I was dating this girl
926
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,367
and she is
seven months pregnant.
927
00:35:04,436 --> 00:35:06,636
[dramatic music]
928
00:35:06,705 --> 00:35:07,938
- Oh, my God.
929
00:35:09,341 --> 00:35:10,307
- I do have something
to tell Vonnie.
930
00:35:10,375 --> 00:35:12,175
- Oh, Jesus Christ.
931
00:35:12,244 --> 00:35:15,479
- I was dating this girl
932
00:35:15,547 --> 00:35:19,649
and she is
seven months pregnant.
933
00:35:19,718 --> 00:35:21,918
[dramatic music]
934
00:35:21,987 --> 00:35:26,389
- So you was willing to still
have a relationship with me,
935
00:35:26,458 --> 00:35:29,559
but you got all this going on?
936
00:35:29,628 --> 00:35:32,329
- And are you planning on being
an active parent?
937
00:35:32,397 --> 00:35:34,097
- Of course.
I want full custody.
938
00:35:34,166 --> 00:35:35,298
That's what I'm going for.
939
00:35:35,367 --> 00:35:37,267
- On top of scamming
and doing all that,
940
00:35:37,336 --> 00:35:38,902
but you getting locked up
'cause of this,
941
00:35:38,971 --> 00:35:40,337
who gonna watch the baby?
942
00:35:40,405 --> 00:35:42,672
- Whatever I have to do
to support my daughter,
943
00:35:43,809 --> 00:35:45,575
When that baby come,
I'm gonna be a provider.
944
00:35:45,644 --> 00:35:48,745
- That's a pretty major detail
that you left out
945
00:35:48,814 --> 00:35:51,715
of your very loving
communications with Vonnie
946
00:35:51,783 --> 00:35:54,151
where you talking about
having him move to Michigan
947
00:35:54,219 --> 00:35:55,685
and, you know, quit his job
948
00:35:55,754 --> 00:35:58,188
and you guys could do
something together.
949
00:35:58,257 --> 00:35:59,956
Are you still with this girl?
950
00:36:00,025 --> 00:36:02,559
- No. Well, I didn't know.
I wasn't to tell him like this,
951
00:36:02,628 --> 00:36:04,327
but he gets--
he called you guys.
952
00:36:04,396 --> 00:36:06,363
So I guess I had no choice
but to tell him.
953
00:36:06,431 --> 00:36:08,365
- Well, first--first of all,
first of all,
954
00:36:08,433 --> 00:36:09,799
Vonni did not write in.
955
00:36:09,868 --> 00:36:12,502
Vonni's friend wrote in
on his behalf
956
00:36:12,571 --> 00:36:16,640
because she felt
as though you were likely--
957
00:36:16,708 --> 00:36:18,208
- Scamming.
- Scamming him.
958
00:36:18,277 --> 00:36:20,710
And she was right.
- She was right.
959
00:36:20,779 --> 00:36:23,780
- So it was not Vonni's idea
to come on here.
960
00:36:23,849 --> 00:36:25,448
And even if it was--
- He didn't wanna do this.
961
00:36:25,517 --> 00:36:27,184
- No, but even
if it was his idea,
962
00:36:27,252 --> 00:36:28,485
that doesn't mean
that he deserves
963
00:36:28,554 --> 00:36:29,986
the [bleep] things
that you did to him
964
00:36:30,055 --> 00:36:31,721
and neither does anybody else.
965
00:36:31,790 --> 00:36:35,325
When you come on here
and you're talking to someone
966
00:36:35,394 --> 00:36:36,826
that you are in love with,
967
00:36:36,895 --> 00:36:38,962
court him in the way
you've been courting him.
968
00:36:39,031 --> 00:36:40,964
You've been, "Hello,
good morning, beautiful."
969
00:36:41,033 --> 00:36:42,399
- Right.
970
00:36:42,467 --> 00:36:44,301
- All these nice things.
Like, where is the softness?
971
00:36:44,369 --> 00:36:46,369
- That--that--that's who I am.
What do you mean?
972
00:36:46,438 --> 00:36:48,338
Y'all, I have three people
attacking me
973
00:36:48,407 --> 00:36:50,207
and I'm--
I'm being asked questions
974
00:36:50,275 --> 00:36:51,775
and y'all contradicting
what I'm saying?
975
00:36:51,843 --> 00:36:53,810
- You came up here
all aggressive
976
00:36:53,879 --> 00:36:56,413
like you don't care.
You just care about money.
977
00:36:56,481 --> 00:36:57,948
- How was I aggressive?
How was I aggressive?
978
00:36:58,016 --> 00:37:00,750
- Then you wanna come up here
and talk about a baby.
979
00:37:00,819 --> 00:37:02,652
That's--
980
00:37:02,721 --> 00:37:04,221
- It's life.
I told you.
981
00:37:04,289 --> 00:37:05,522
- That kinda like pushed me.
982
00:37:05,591 --> 00:37:06,923
Like, I'm 20 years old.
Like, I'm gonna have fun.
983
00:37:06,992 --> 00:37:10,527
I don't got time for all
these games to be honest, like.
984
00:37:10,596 --> 00:37:11,995
- So you don't want--
so you don't wanna--
985
00:37:12,064 --> 00:37:13,597
you don't wanna talk anymore?
986
00:37:13,665 --> 00:37:15,665
- Like, first of all, you say
you're not planning on stopping
987
00:37:15,734 --> 00:37:19,336
and you didn't even say to me
about the female.
988
00:37:19,404 --> 00:37:21,471
- I just told you.
989
00:37:21,540 --> 00:37:23,707
- Okay, but it's late,
like you could've told me--
990
00:37:23,775 --> 00:37:25,275
- No, no, no,
but you called them.
991
00:37:25,344 --> 00:37:28,111
So you did this,
you brought this on yourself.
992
00:37:28,180 --> 00:37:29,746
What do you mean?
I told you here.
993
00:37:29,815 --> 00:37:31,982
I was gonna--I was gonna
tell you somewhere else,
994
00:37:32,050 --> 00:37:34,050
but you wanted to
bring it here, so here we are.
995
00:37:34,119 --> 00:37:35,552
What you mean?
996
00:37:35,621 --> 00:37:37,520
How you getting mad at me
'cause I told you that?
997
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:39,456
- I just wish you was 100
with me in the beginning.
998
00:37:39,524 --> 00:37:42,826
Just put his bomb on me.
999
00:37:42,894 --> 00:37:44,427
Just like, thanks.
1000
00:37:44,496 --> 00:37:46,730
- 'Cause it's up with a bomb
on you, you running?
1001
00:37:46,798 --> 00:37:48,932
- No, I'm not running.
- Right, so--
1002
00:37:49,001 --> 00:37:51,735
- I can only deal with too
much, all this [bleep]. Like--
1003
00:37:51,803 --> 00:37:53,470
- But what you just said--
- Too much.
1004
00:37:53,538 --> 00:37:55,005
- You just said
it's too much and you--
1005
00:37:55,073 --> 00:37:57,007
- It is too much.
That's why I said I can't.
1006
00:37:57,075 --> 00:37:58,975
I can't deal with you because.
1007
00:37:59,044 --> 00:38:00,744
- Okay, so that's what it is.
1008
00:38:00,812 --> 00:38:02,746
You just said to hell with it.
That's what it is, so.
1009
00:38:02,814 --> 00:38:05,482
Y'all heard him, he can't deal
with this, so it is what it is.
1010
00:38:05,550 --> 00:38:07,317
- He shouldn't have
to deal with it.
1011
00:38:07,386 --> 00:38:08,952
- Do you feel badly
1012
00:38:09,021 --> 00:38:11,588
that you've been doing this
for the past year and a half?
1013
00:38:11,657 --> 00:38:13,590
- Yeah, I mean,
I feel bad of course,
1014
00:38:13,659 --> 00:38:16,026
but do I regret it?
1015
00:38:16,094 --> 00:38:19,529
No, because it got me
where I am now.
1016
00:38:19,598 --> 00:38:20,830
- Oh, yeah. Those are
separate things, but yeah.
1017
00:38:20,899 --> 00:38:22,098
- Yeah.
1018
00:38:22,167 --> 00:38:24,634
But you--you do feel--
1019
00:38:24,703 --> 00:38:26,536
that you've hurt people
and you acknowledge that--
1020
00:38:26,605 --> 00:38:28,538
- Yeah.
- Right.
1021
00:38:28,607 --> 00:38:30,573
- I'm not crazy, y'all.
[chuckles]
1022
00:38:30,642 --> 00:38:32,742
- But see, this is what--
this is what we--
1023
00:38:32,811 --> 00:38:34,277
when we were asking
the questions,
1024
00:38:34,346 --> 00:38:35,912
that is what
we were looking for.
1025
00:38:35,981 --> 00:38:38,915
Because the surface level
is no, I don't like--
1026
00:38:38,984 --> 00:38:40,216
no, like, I do--
- You said it's their fault.
1027
00:38:40,285 --> 00:38:41,618
- "I do what I do, I do what
I did," blah, blah, blah.
1028
00:38:41,687 --> 00:38:44,321
But the reality is here
where it's,
1029
00:38:44,389 --> 00:38:46,222
"I do feel bad
about what I'm doing,
1030
00:38:46,291 --> 00:38:50,260
but it did get me to where I am
and I'm happy about that."
1031
00:38:50,329 --> 00:38:51,961
That--that is the truth.
1032
00:38:52,030 --> 00:38:54,331
- Mm-hmm.
1033
00:38:54,399 --> 00:38:56,566
I apologize, um,
1034
00:38:56,635 --> 00:39:01,171
but I will send you
your money back tomorrow.
1035
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:06,209
But other than that, I wish you
the best and I hope one day
1036
00:39:06,278 --> 00:39:09,979
we can meet each other again
or cross paths or whatever,
1037
00:39:10,048 --> 00:39:12,048
but this is not the way
I wanted it to be,
1038
00:39:12,117 --> 00:39:13,750
but I respect it.
1039
00:39:13,819 --> 00:39:18,221
So it's what it is.
Are we done here?
1040
00:39:18,290 --> 00:39:19,456
- Yeah.
- [chuckles]
1041
00:39:19,524 --> 00:39:20,590
- All right, so look,
1042
00:39:20,659 --> 00:39:22,859
so you're probably both
better off
1043
00:39:22,928 --> 00:39:25,562
not in a relationship
with each other.
1044
00:39:25,630 --> 00:39:27,697
I don't know how you want to
or don't want to
1045
00:39:27,766 --> 00:39:31,201
continue being friends
or talking or not.
1046
00:39:31,269 --> 00:39:34,204
- Well, if I don't--if I don't
talk to you again,
1047
00:39:34,272 --> 00:39:36,072
happy birthday.
[chuckles]
1048
00:39:36,141 --> 00:39:39,275
Um, but yeah, like I said,
you made a decision.
1049
00:39:39,344 --> 00:39:41,678
I respect it and that's that.
1050
00:39:41,747 --> 00:39:44,047
- Well, I wish you
and your baby best.
1051
00:39:44,116 --> 00:39:45,415
- Thank you.
1052
00:39:45,484 --> 00:39:47,417
- Hopefully, you change.
- Thank you.
1053
00:39:47,486 --> 00:39:49,853
I appreciate you guys.
Thank you so much.
1054
00:39:49,921 --> 00:39:51,888
- All right, man.
Take my luck with everything.
1055
00:39:51,957 --> 00:39:54,391
- Bye, thank you.
- Good luck.
1056
00:39:54,459 --> 00:39:56,292
- This [bleep] up.
Like, mm-mm.
1057
00:39:56,361 --> 00:39:57,794
- Vonnie.
1058
00:39:57,863 --> 00:39:59,896
- It's like a robber
on the street coming to mug you
1059
00:39:59,965 --> 00:40:00,964
and they have a gun
to your head and they're like,
1060
00:40:01,032 --> 00:40:02,265
"Oh, actually
you're kind of cute.
1061
00:40:02,334 --> 00:40:03,800
Can I get your number?"
- Right.
1062
00:40:03,869 --> 00:40:06,302
- No.
Get the [bleep] out of here.
1063
00:40:06,371 --> 00:40:07,570
- I'm sorry it didn't work out,
1064
00:40:07,639 --> 00:40:09,739
but I do think
you're way better off.
1065
00:40:09,808 --> 00:40:12,008
- Yeah. I think I'm okay.
I'm not like, sad.
1066
00:40:12,077 --> 00:40:14,878
I'm, like, kinda disappointed
but kinda happy
1067
00:40:14,946 --> 00:40:16,079
because, like,
I can just live my life
1068
00:40:16,148 --> 00:40:17,947
and just, like, go to the
beach, hi girls.
1069
00:40:18,016 --> 00:40:21,084
- Let us know if he does
send you that money back.
1070
00:40:21,153 --> 00:40:22,819
- He not.
[chuckles]
1071
00:40:22,888 --> 00:40:24,621
- And I would urge you
to block him
1072
00:40:24,689 --> 00:40:28,024
and keep a close eye out
for any new friend requests
1073
00:40:28,093 --> 00:40:29,559
and make sure
that you steer clear.
1074
00:40:29,628 --> 00:40:31,161
- All right, thank y'all.
1075
00:40:31,229 --> 00:40:32,262
- [smooches]
1076
00:40:32,330 --> 00:40:33,763
- Bye.
- Bye, Vonni.
1077
00:40:33,832 --> 00:40:35,765
- Bye.
1078
00:40:35,834 --> 00:40:37,867
- ♪ I don't wanna miss out ♪
1079
00:40:37,936 --> 00:40:41,037
♪ I don't,
I don't wanna miss out ♪
1080
00:40:41,106 --> 00:40:43,973
♪ Don't matter,
I don't want to cool it down ♪
1081
00:40:44,042 --> 00:40:49,145
♪ ♪