1 00:00:03,137 --> 00:00:04,436 - He make me feel good. 2 00:00:04,505 --> 00:00:06,472 Like, he like he compliment me every day. 3 00:00:06,540 --> 00:00:08,440 - Do you guys say you love each other? 4 00:00:08,509 --> 00:00:09,508 - Yes. 5 00:00:09,577 --> 00:00:12,478 One time, I just sent him $275. - Why? 6 00:00:12,546 --> 00:00:15,014 - Because I'm in love. - Vonni. 7 00:00:15,082 --> 00:00:17,116 - Oh, we got a hit! - [gasps] 8 00:00:17,184 --> 00:00:20,185 Stay away from this "person." Straight-up scammer. 9 00:00:20,254 --> 00:00:21,653 - Wow. - #Catfish. 10 00:00:21,722 --> 00:00:24,123 - I don't know if I'm cold or I'm just nervous. 11 00:00:24,191 --> 00:00:26,625 [computer chimes] - Oh. 12 00:00:26,694 --> 00:00:28,260 Who is this? 13 00:00:31,999 --> 00:00:33,165 - All right, where are we going? 14 00:00:33,234 --> 00:00:34,733 - Oh, let's do it. 15 00:00:34,802 --> 00:00:36,168 [upbeat music] 16 00:00:36,237 --> 00:00:39,905 [gasps] Oh, my God! 17 00:00:39,974 --> 00:00:42,641 Yes! Cleo! 18 00:00:42,710 --> 00:00:44,109 Oh, my goodness. 19 00:00:44,178 --> 00:00:45,310 Was this your idea? - [giggles] 20 00:00:45,379 --> 00:00:46,945 - You pranked me? 21 00:00:47,014 --> 00:00:48,080 - The heck's going on? 22 00:00:48,149 --> 00:00:49,782 You guys making the show without me? 23 00:00:49,850 --> 00:00:51,216 - Yeah. - What? 24 00:00:51,285 --> 00:00:53,018 You guys replaced me with Cleo and Biggie? 25 00:00:53,087 --> 00:00:55,854 - Yes. This is so much better. Let's see what it looks like. 26 00:00:55,923 --> 00:00:57,022 Here, Biggie. 27 00:00:57,091 --> 00:00:58,323 - Maybe you guys show us the show. 28 00:00:58,392 --> 00:00:59,525 Just the two of you. 29 00:00:59,593 --> 00:01:01,126 - Yeah, I think this is the show. 30 00:01:01,195 --> 00:01:02,561 - This is... - Well-- 31 00:01:02,630 --> 00:01:03,829 - This is definitely a better version of the show. 32 00:01:03,898 --> 00:01:05,798 - Biggie, get your camera. - All right, Cleo. 33 00:01:05,866 --> 00:01:08,167 - We're ready for another catfish case. 34 00:01:08,235 --> 00:01:10,169 - [giggles] 35 00:01:10,237 --> 00:01:11,270 - All right. 36 00:01:11,338 --> 00:01:13,672 - You can sit on my lap. [grunts] 37 00:01:13,741 --> 00:01:15,607 - Cleo, you have to say, "'Catfish,' take one." 38 00:01:15,676 --> 00:01:17,643 - "Catfish," take one. - Yes. 39 00:01:17,711 --> 00:01:19,378 - Good. All right, should we read this email? 40 00:01:19,447 --> 00:01:20,512 - Yes. - All right, here we go. 41 00:01:20,581 --> 00:01:22,014 Here's an email from Camara. 42 00:01:22,083 --> 00:01:27,119 So the email says, "Dear Nev, Kamie," and Cleo. 43 00:01:27,188 --> 00:01:29,388 - And Biggie. - And Biggie. 44 00:01:29,457 --> 00:01:31,356 "My name is Camara. 45 00:01:31,425 --> 00:01:36,261 "Four years ago, I met my best friend, Vonni. 46 00:01:36,330 --> 00:01:40,132 "We actually work together here in Richmond, Virginia. 47 00:01:40,201 --> 00:01:41,633 "I'm sending you this email 48 00:01:41,702 --> 00:01:45,137 "because I've been concerned about Vonni's relationship 49 00:01:45,206 --> 00:01:47,573 with a guy he met online named Andrew." 50 00:01:49,009 --> 00:01:50,909 - Andrew is everything that Vonni wants in a guy... 51 00:01:50,978 --> 00:01:52,511 - ♪ And I don't know what to do ♪ 52 00:01:52,580 --> 00:01:53,712 - And they're getting very serious. 53 00:01:53,781 --> 00:01:55,547 - ♪ Loving you was easy ♪ 54 00:01:55,616 --> 00:01:59,017 ♪ Till you got yourself thinking out loud ♪ 55 00:01:59,086 --> 00:02:00,953 - "Vonni is the sweetest guy, but he's young. 56 00:02:01,021 --> 00:02:02,221 He's pretty naive." 57 00:02:02,289 --> 00:02:04,256 - ♪ With my head in the clouds ♪ 58 00:02:04,325 --> 00:02:06,158 - "And he is so in love with Andrew, 59 00:02:06,227 --> 00:02:08,760 but Andrew won't FaceTime." 60 00:02:08,829 --> 00:02:10,696 Isn't that crazy? You love to FaceTime. 61 00:02:10,764 --> 00:02:12,598 "I know Vonni has asked him, 62 00:02:12,666 --> 00:02:14,533 "but Andrew just gives him excuses 63 00:02:14,602 --> 00:02:17,202 and he wants Vonni to move to Michigan to be with him..." 64 00:02:17,271 --> 00:02:18,237 - Mm-mm. 65 00:02:18,305 --> 00:02:19,505 - "Which is crazy 66 00:02:19,573 --> 00:02:20,672 if they haven't even video chatted yet." 67 00:02:20,741 --> 00:02:22,107 - What if he's not real? - What if he's not real? 68 00:02:22,176 --> 00:02:23,275 - Right. - You don't know anything. 69 00:02:23,344 --> 00:02:24,910 - ♪ With my head in the clouds ♪ 70 00:02:24,979 --> 00:02:27,613 ♪ ♪ 71 00:02:27,681 --> 00:02:30,582 - "To make matters worse, I just recently found out 72 00:02:30,651 --> 00:02:34,286 that Vonni has been sending Andrew money." 73 00:02:34,355 --> 00:02:37,356 - [sighs] - Oh, man. 74 00:02:37,424 --> 00:02:41,426 - Can we get a facepalm? Like this? 75 00:02:41,495 --> 00:02:44,363 - "Vonni has been cheated on more than once, 76 00:02:44,431 --> 00:02:45,797 "and I know he is still vulnerable, 77 00:02:45,866 --> 00:02:48,400 "so when I heard how shady Andrew's been, 78 00:02:48,469 --> 00:02:50,035 "I knew I had to do something. 79 00:02:50,104 --> 00:02:53,105 "I really need your help to see if this guy is real. 80 00:02:53,174 --> 00:02:55,774 "It'd be awesome if he really is Vonni's true match 81 00:02:55,843 --> 00:02:59,144 "and I'm completely wrong, but I doubt it. 82 00:02:59,213 --> 00:03:01,747 "Hope you can help my friend before it's too late. 83 00:03:01,815 --> 00:03:05,551 Thank you very much, Camara." 84 00:03:05,619 --> 00:03:07,819 So if you were going to tell Vonni 85 00:03:07,888 --> 00:03:10,255 what he should do right now, what would you tell him? 86 00:03:10,324 --> 00:03:12,824 - Get the money back. [laughter] 87 00:03:12,893 --> 00:03:14,693 - Yes. - Get the money back. 88 00:03:14,762 --> 00:03:15,794 - Agreed. 89 00:03:15,863 --> 00:03:17,162 - All right, Cleo. Thank you for your help. 90 00:03:17,231 --> 00:03:21,300 - Yay. Cleo. - [giggles] 91 00:03:21,368 --> 00:03:24,002 - You're hired. Thank you so much. 92 00:03:24,071 --> 00:03:25,137 Oh, my God, I love her. 93 00:03:25,206 --> 00:03:27,739 - All right, so let's get Camara. 94 00:03:27,808 --> 00:03:29,474 "Hey, Camara." 95 00:03:29,543 --> 00:03:32,477 - Just read your email, and we wanna help. 96 00:03:32,546 --> 00:03:34,246 Kamara is a good friend. Oh. 97 00:03:34,315 --> 00:03:35,647 [computer chimes] - Oh. 98 00:03:35,716 --> 00:03:37,649 - Hi. both: Hey. 99 00:03:37,718 --> 00:03:39,351 - Wait. We need to know how to say your name. 100 00:03:39,420 --> 00:03:40,419 - It's Camara. 101 00:03:40,487 --> 00:03:42,554 - Camara. - Yeah. 102 00:03:42,623 --> 00:03:44,456 - Good to meet you. - Yeah. 103 00:03:44,525 --> 00:03:45,891 - Good to meet you, too. 104 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,594 - Thank you for writing in on behalf of your friend. 105 00:03:48,662 --> 00:03:50,362 Sounds like he does need help. 106 00:03:50,431 --> 00:03:52,598 - Yes. I'm very concerned about him. 107 00:03:52,666 --> 00:03:54,933 He's not getting these red flags. 108 00:03:55,002 --> 00:03:56,635 - Right. - And it's very concerning. 109 00:03:56,704 --> 00:03:57,869 He's been through a lot. 110 00:03:57,938 --> 00:03:59,671 I'm tired of his heart being broken. 111 00:03:59,740 --> 00:04:01,540 - So how serious is he with Andrew? 112 00:04:01,609 --> 00:04:04,876 - Very. He even sends money to him. 113 00:04:04,945 --> 00:04:07,312 And I said, "Why would you do that? 114 00:04:07,381 --> 00:04:09,681 He won't even show his face on FaceTime." 115 00:04:09,750 --> 00:04:11,717 I don't know what this man looks like. 116 00:04:11,785 --> 00:04:13,719 I don't know barely anything about him. 117 00:04:13,787 --> 00:04:16,521 He won't show his face, but he wanna fly you out 118 00:04:16,590 --> 00:04:18,757 and want you to quit your job to come to him. 119 00:04:18,826 --> 00:04:21,727 - Quit his job? - Yes. To come to him. 120 00:04:21,795 --> 00:04:24,263 - You've obviously talked to Vonni 121 00:04:24,331 --> 00:04:25,897 about your concerns, right? 122 00:04:25,966 --> 00:04:28,033 - Yeah. It's me over here saying, 123 00:04:28,102 --> 00:04:30,769 "I'm happy for you but you need to think about this." 124 00:04:35,743 --> 00:04:37,376 - Or the realistic side, perhaps? 125 00:04:37,444 --> 00:04:40,479 - Yeah. - Vonni is lucky to have you. 126 00:04:40,547 --> 00:04:41,980 - Thank you. - Wait. 127 00:04:42,049 --> 00:04:43,415 So how do you think we should get in touch with Vonni? 128 00:04:43,484 --> 00:04:45,417 - Does he know that you wrote into the show? 129 00:04:45,486 --> 00:04:46,785 - I mentioned, but he was like, 130 00:04:46,854 --> 00:04:49,755 "I doubt they would even contact you back." 131 00:04:49,823 --> 00:04:52,891 I guess he will be just as surprised as I was. 132 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,994 - What if we stay on the Zoom, I'll text him, 133 00:04:56,063 --> 00:04:58,430 "it's Nev and Kamie and we're with Camara. 134 00:04:58,499 --> 00:05:00,198 Come on the Zoom." 135 00:05:00,267 --> 00:05:01,933 All right, I just sent it. 136 00:05:02,002 --> 00:05:03,935 - You spelled her name wrong. - [bleep] 137 00:05:04,004 --> 00:05:05,570 - [laughing] It's okay. 138 00:05:05,639 --> 00:05:08,240 - No, it's not. It will never happen again. 139 00:05:08,309 --> 00:05:09,241 - [laughing] Okay. 140 00:05:09,310 --> 00:05:10,509 - Oh. - Facepalm. 141 00:05:10,577 --> 00:05:13,312 - [laughing] Oh my--no, he didn't. 142 00:05:13,380 --> 00:05:15,480 - Vonni. [computer chimes] 143 00:05:15,549 --> 00:05:18,450 - Hey. - Vonni. 144 00:05:18,519 --> 00:05:19,718 - Hey y'all? How y'all doing? 145 00:05:19,787 --> 00:05:22,187 - What's up? - Vonni. 146 00:05:22,256 --> 00:05:23,422 - Okay, Camara. Okay. 147 00:05:23,490 --> 00:05:25,023 - Don't be mad at me. 148 00:05:25,092 --> 00:05:28,026 - Are you feeling any kind of way towards your friend here? 149 00:05:28,095 --> 00:05:30,395 - [laughs] 150 00:05:30,464 --> 00:05:32,698 - I--I'm nervous. I'm really nervous. 151 00:05:32,766 --> 00:05:34,366 - Camara cares about you, 152 00:05:34,435 --> 00:05:38,470 and she just wants to make sure that you're not getting played. 153 00:05:38,539 --> 00:05:41,940 There are some things about Andrew that are a little fishy. 154 00:05:42,009 --> 00:05:43,508 - Mm, yeah. 155 00:05:43,577 --> 00:05:45,177 - Okay. So you acknowledge that? 156 00:05:45,245 --> 00:05:46,445 - Yes. 157 00:05:46,513 --> 00:05:48,747 - Vonni, you need to know who he really is. 158 00:05:48,816 --> 00:05:50,415 - Right? Okay. So we got more to talk about, 159 00:05:50,484 --> 00:05:52,417 but Camara, I don't want to keep you all day. 160 00:05:52,486 --> 00:05:54,553 Thank you for--for writing in. 161 00:05:54,621 --> 00:05:56,421 - Bye, Camara. Love you. 162 00:05:56,490 --> 00:05:58,557 - Bye. I love you too. Fill me in. 163 00:05:58,625 --> 00:05:59,658 - I will. - I need to know. 164 00:05:59,727 --> 00:06:01,526 - Bye, Camara. - Bye. 165 00:06:01,595 --> 00:06:04,062 - Okay, so back to Andrew. 166 00:06:04,131 --> 00:06:06,498 Can you kind of take us back, explain how you met, 167 00:06:06,567 --> 00:06:08,533 and kind of how the relationship progressed. 168 00:06:08,602 --> 00:06:09,935 We wanna know everything. 169 00:06:10,003 --> 00:06:13,705 - Okay. While I was at work, I was on break... 170 00:06:19,980 --> 00:06:21,246 but he replies to my story, he was like, 171 00:06:21,315 --> 00:06:24,683 "You're beautiful." I was like, "Oh yeah." 172 00:06:24,752 --> 00:06:26,651 - And when you saw his page, did it have a lot of stuff 173 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:27,886 on there and friends and pictures? 174 00:06:27,955 --> 00:06:29,788 - Uh, no. He don't get that many friends, 175 00:06:29,857 --> 00:06:31,623 but like a hundred and some friends. 176 00:06:31,692 --> 00:06:33,358 - All right. But there were photos of him. 177 00:06:33,427 --> 00:06:35,894 - Yeah. The same ones he sent me. 178 00:06:35,963 --> 00:06:37,562 - So then you guys started chatting. 179 00:06:37,631 --> 00:06:39,431 - Yeah. We started chatting. 180 00:06:39,500 --> 00:06:40,999 That's when I'm like, "What's your number?" 181 00:06:41,068 --> 00:06:43,301 The next night, we called each other on the phone 182 00:06:43,370 --> 00:06:45,837 having a good conversation like, you know, the basic. 183 00:06:45,906 --> 00:06:47,739 I said, "Where you from?" He said, "Michigan." 184 00:06:47,808 --> 00:06:49,040 - When you were talking on the phone, 185 00:06:49,109 --> 00:06:50,509 it clearly sounded like a guy's voice? 186 00:06:50,577 --> 00:06:52,711 - It was a boy voice, but he started to ask 187 00:06:52,780 --> 00:06:56,515 about sleeping on the phone, but he snores so loud. 188 00:06:56,583 --> 00:06:58,350 - Wait, how quickly 189 00:06:58,419 --> 00:07:00,318 did you guys start talking all every night like that? 190 00:07:00,387 --> 00:07:01,653 - Since the first night. 191 00:07:01,722 --> 00:07:03,789 - Wow. So you guys talk still every night? 192 00:07:03,857 --> 00:07:05,290 - Sometimes we fall asleep on the phone. 193 00:07:05,359 --> 00:07:06,358 - Okay. 194 00:07:06,427 --> 00:07:07,793 And when you're talking to him, 195 00:07:07,861 --> 00:07:09,361 tell us about the conversations and what he's like. 196 00:07:09,430 --> 00:07:13,732 - He is calm, he is funny, he like to tell jokes. 197 00:07:13,801 --> 00:07:15,100 He made me feel good. 198 00:07:15,169 --> 00:07:17,302 Like, he like to compliment me every day. 199 00:07:17,371 --> 00:07:22,007 He makes me more confident and he helped me emotionally, too. 200 00:07:22,075 --> 00:07:23,909 This is something new for me 201 00:07:23,977 --> 00:07:25,844 because I've been through a lot, like, 202 00:07:25,913 --> 00:07:29,648 the words he tell me, I never heard from the other boys. 203 00:07:29,716 --> 00:07:32,384 Plus, he older, I always dealt with younger. 204 00:07:32,453 --> 00:07:33,852 - How old is he, exactly? 205 00:07:33,921 --> 00:07:35,520 - 26. - Oh, okay. 206 00:07:35,589 --> 00:07:37,722 What does he do? - He a entrepreneur. 207 00:07:37,791 --> 00:07:39,624 He said that he wants to start a business 208 00:07:39,693 --> 00:07:42,027 of selling bouncy houses for kids. 209 00:07:42,095 --> 00:07:44,362 - So what does he do currently? 210 00:07:44,431 --> 00:07:48,200 - Currently unemployment. It's all I know. Unemployment. 211 00:07:48,268 --> 00:07:49,334 - He is trying to get it together. 212 00:07:49,403 --> 00:07:50,702 - Yeah. 213 00:07:50,771 --> 00:07:53,572 - Camara told us that she thinks you and Andrew 214 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,574 have talked about him, like, saying, 215 00:07:55,642 --> 00:07:57,108 "Come move to Michigan." Is that true? 216 00:07:57,177 --> 00:07:58,910 - Oh, my God. She said everything. 217 00:07:58,979 --> 00:08:01,112 He was telling me about the entrepreneur stuff 218 00:08:01,181 --> 00:08:02,681 he want to do. I'm like, "Oh, I can help you." 219 00:08:02,749 --> 00:08:06,051 He wanted me to quit my job to go up there. 220 00:08:06,119 --> 00:08:08,487 - Wait, do we even know where he lives in Michigan? 221 00:08:08,555 --> 00:08:09,988 - He said Detroit, Michigan. 222 00:08:10,057 --> 00:08:11,423 - Okay. So he lives in Detroit. 223 00:08:11,492 --> 00:08:14,593 - But he lives in Detroit, he's now on unemployment, 224 00:08:14,661 --> 00:08:16,628 and he wants for you to quit your job 225 00:08:16,697 --> 00:08:17,929 to join him on unemployment, 226 00:08:17,998 --> 00:08:20,098 to figure out what he's going to do? 227 00:08:20,167 --> 00:08:21,132 No. 228 00:08:22,402 --> 00:08:25,003 One side of me wanna go so bad. - II'm just like--ll. 229 00:08:25,072 --> 00:08:27,405 - That's not even sustainable. 230 00:08:27,474 --> 00:08:29,140 - Show us a picture of this guy 'cause I wanna know-- 231 00:08:29,209 --> 00:08:30,876 - Should I turn my phone to the screen? 232 00:08:30,944 --> 00:08:32,477 Or should I just send it? 233 00:08:32,546 --> 00:08:34,546 - You can--you can just hold your phone up to the screen. 234 00:08:34,615 --> 00:08:35,981 - He is one. 235 00:08:36,049 --> 00:08:39,985 - Okay. Light eyes, danger. He got hazel eyes? 236 00:08:40,053 --> 00:08:44,155 - The second one. That's all I got. 237 00:08:44,224 --> 00:08:46,191 - I think it's fair to say that a guy who looks that good 238 00:08:47,227 --> 00:08:48,860 more pictures he could send you, right? 239 00:08:48,929 --> 00:08:51,596 - When I ask for more, it's, like, issues. 240 00:08:51,665 --> 00:08:53,164 Like, that's when arguments start. 241 00:08:53,233 --> 00:08:54,299 - Interesting. 242 00:08:54,368 --> 00:08:56,735 - Wait, so he won't send you pictures, 243 00:08:56,803 --> 00:08:59,070 but he asked you to send him money? 244 00:08:59,139 --> 00:09:00,972 - Yes. - How did that come up? 245 00:09:01,041 --> 00:09:02,407 - It just came out of nowhere. 246 00:09:02,476 --> 00:09:03,909 You just said, 247 00:09:03,977 --> 00:09:05,343 "Hey, can you send some money for some food?" 248 00:09:05,412 --> 00:09:07,345 I'm like, "Okay, here you go. $25." 249 00:09:07,414 --> 00:09:08,680 Oh, "I gotta get me a haircut." 250 00:09:08,749 --> 00:09:10,282 $35. 251 00:09:10,350 --> 00:09:14,019 And one time, I just sent him $275 randomly. 252 00:09:14,087 --> 00:09:15,720 - Why? - Because I'm in love. 253 00:09:15,789 --> 00:09:16,888 - So you're a sugar daddy? 254 00:09:16,957 --> 00:09:18,323 - And has it all been through on app? 255 00:09:18,392 --> 00:09:19,491 - Apple Pay. 256 00:09:19,560 --> 00:09:20,992 - It just goes to his phone number? 257 00:09:21,061 --> 00:09:21,993 - Mm-hmm. 258 00:09:22,062 --> 00:09:23,495 - Has he done anything nice for you? 259 00:09:23,564 --> 00:09:25,363 Has he paid you back? 260 00:09:25,432 --> 00:09:28,600 - Well, when I send him $25, he sent me $10 back 261 00:09:28,669 --> 00:09:30,602 just because he said he didn't need all of it. 262 00:09:30,671 --> 00:09:32,103 - I mean, that's a good move 263 00:09:32,172 --> 00:09:33,838 because it says you can trust me. 264 00:09:33,907 --> 00:09:35,640 - [clicks tongue] - Have you done any research? 265 00:09:35,709 --> 00:09:37,275 Have you tried to run his phone number? 266 00:09:37,344 --> 00:09:39,377 - Well, you know, I try to put his phone number 267 00:09:39,446 --> 00:09:41,479 in the cash app thing, you know, you can see-- 268 00:09:41,548 --> 00:09:43,181 - Ooh, smart. - Yes. 269 00:09:43,250 --> 00:09:45,150 - But all that I saw was like, 270 00:09:45,218 --> 00:09:47,886 someone named Ke'an in their state. 271 00:09:47,955 --> 00:09:49,754 - So wait, you ran his phone number in the cash app 272 00:09:49,823 --> 00:09:51,790 and it came back to someone named Ke'an? 273 00:09:51,858 --> 00:09:53,925 - Yeah. That's all. - That's strange. Right? 274 00:09:53,994 --> 00:09:55,627 Shouldn't it come back to someone named Andrew? 275 00:09:55,696 --> 00:09:58,330 - That's weird, but I just say, "You know what? Mm." 276 00:09:58,398 --> 00:10:00,332 - You didn't even bring it up? - No. 277 00:10:01,368 --> 00:10:04,903 I'm just now telling y'all, I don't know like.to tell him. 278 00:10:04,972 --> 00:10:07,706 - Vonni. This is the red flag. - That's a red flag. 279 00:10:07,774 --> 00:10:10,108 - No, but it's right here. And Vonni said. 280 00:10:10,177 --> 00:10:11,376 - Can you see this? Wait, maybe he's colorblind. 281 00:10:11,445 --> 00:10:12,677 - I can't even see. 282 00:10:12,746 --> 00:10:14,179 - What color is this? Can you see this? 283 00:10:14,247 --> 00:10:16,815 - I see the red flag, but how I do you even mention it? 284 00:10:16,883 --> 00:10:18,883 Because people use other people's cash apps 285 00:10:18,952 --> 00:10:20,485 all the time, so that's why I never. 286 00:10:20,554 --> 00:10:22,220 - People use other people's cash apps all the time 287 00:10:22,289 --> 00:10:25,190 on this show, but that is part of the problem. 288 00:10:25,258 --> 00:10:29,227 - It do sound weird, but I'ma still trust him. 289 00:10:29,296 --> 00:10:31,029 - All right, well, look. We wanna help. 290 00:10:31,098 --> 00:10:32,831 We want you to have a successful relationship 291 00:10:32,899 --> 00:10:36,267 with a mature person who appreciates you and loves you. 292 00:10:36,336 --> 00:10:39,237 And maybe it is Andrew, but we gotta find out. 293 00:10:39,306 --> 00:10:41,940 - Please. And thank you. - [chuckles] 294 00:10:42,009 --> 00:10:44,242 - All right. Send us whatever information you have. 295 00:10:44,311 --> 00:10:45,543 - All right. 296 00:10:45,612 --> 00:10:47,646 - And hopefully, we'll have something for you soon. 297 00:10:47,714 --> 00:10:48,680 - Okay. Thank you. 298 00:10:48,749 --> 00:10:49,848 - Bye. - Bye. 299 00:10:49,916 --> 00:10:53,084 A cash app. - It's all bad. 300 00:10:53,153 --> 00:10:54,753 - I can't believe he found him on Cash App 301 00:10:54,821 --> 00:10:56,488 and his name was Ke'an 302 00:10:56,556 --> 00:10:58,623 and he didn't even bring it up because he knows... 303 00:10:58,692 --> 00:10:59,991 - Mm-hmm. 304 00:11:00,060 --> 00:11:02,127 - It could potentially devolve into a breakup, 305 00:11:02,195 --> 00:11:03,962 and he'd rather just be talking 306 00:11:04,031 --> 00:11:06,731 to someone fake and fighting with someone real. 307 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:07,999 - That's the reality. 308 00:11:08,068 --> 00:11:10,368 - Not looking good for Vonni. 309 00:11:11,138 --> 00:11:14,472 ght. - [imitating fanfare] 310 00:11:14,541 --> 00:11:16,041 And then I feel like we need a "Catfish" theme song. 311 00:11:16,109 --> 00:11:17,776 ♪ Watch out ♪ 312 00:11:17,844 --> 00:11:19,144 ♪ Danger ♪ 313 00:11:19,212 --> 00:11:22,347 ♪ Don't send money to random strangers ♪ 314 00:11:22,416 --> 00:11:24,416 - [laughs] - All right. 315 00:11:24,484 --> 00:11:25,750 - All right. So here's what we got. 316 00:11:25,819 --> 00:11:27,519 Vonni, 20 years old, 317 00:11:27,587 --> 00:11:29,521 six months ago, he gets a reply. 318 00:11:29,589 --> 00:11:31,790 "You're so beautiful." They start chatting. 319 00:11:31,858 --> 00:11:33,992 By the next day, they are on the phone, 320 00:11:34,061 --> 00:11:36,094 falling asleep talking to each other. 321 00:11:36,163 --> 00:11:38,897 It's heading very quickly in a good direction. 322 00:11:38,965 --> 00:11:40,732 - Yeah. - But there's some problems. 323 00:11:40,801 --> 00:11:42,667 He doesn't have a lot of pictures of himself. 324 00:11:42,736 --> 00:11:44,636 He doesn't apparently have any other social media profiles 325 00:11:44,705 --> 00:11:46,304 aside from his Facebook 326 00:11:46,373 --> 00:11:48,206 and also, Vonni ran the phone number, 327 00:11:48,275 --> 00:11:49,908 but it came back to a different name. 328 00:11:49,976 --> 00:11:51,176 - Ke'an. - All right. 329 00:11:51,244 --> 00:11:52,577 Let's see if we got an email here. 330 00:11:52,646 --> 00:11:54,312 Hey guys, here's what I know about Andrew. 331 00:11:54,381 --> 00:11:55,547 His last name is Love. 332 00:11:55,615 --> 00:11:58,483 - Andrew Love? - Never a good sign. 333 00:11:58,552 --> 00:12:00,585 Here's his phone number and his Facebook 334 00:12:00,654 --> 00:12:02,587 and he's only got the two pictures. 335 00:12:02,656 --> 00:12:04,289 So let's run the phone number. 336 00:12:04,357 --> 00:12:06,124 - I feel like we're going to find some nonsense on this. 337 00:12:06,193 --> 00:12:08,126 - Let's just run this. 338 00:12:08,195 --> 00:12:12,397 What? Martin [bleep]? 57. 339 00:12:12,466 --> 00:12:14,666 Look, we've got a Facebook page and everything. 340 00:12:14,735 --> 00:12:17,202 - There's nothing on this page. 341 00:12:17,270 --> 00:12:20,004 - Weird page, right? - What is happening? 342 00:12:20,073 --> 00:12:21,406 - Could be his dad. 343 00:12:21,475 --> 00:12:22,974 - I'm going to go on a hunch and say no. 344 00:12:23,043 --> 00:12:24,642 - Right. All right. 345 00:12:24,711 --> 00:12:26,644 Let's go back now and run the photos. 346 00:12:26,713 --> 00:12:27,946 Here's the peace sign pic. 347 00:12:28,014 --> 00:12:30,148 All right. Oh, we got a hit! 348 00:12:30,217 --> 00:12:32,250 - [gasps] - Whoo! 349 00:12:32,319 --> 00:12:34,152 - Wait. That's his page. 350 00:12:34,221 --> 00:12:36,154 - Oh, there it is. This is him. 351 00:12:36,223 --> 00:12:37,722 - That's him. 352 00:12:37,791 --> 00:12:39,424 - Is this page real? Oh yeah. This is a lot of photos. 353 00:12:39,493 --> 00:12:40,892 - Instagram. - [gasps] 354 00:12:40,961 --> 00:12:42,994 Oh [bleep], here he is. 355 00:12:43,063 --> 00:12:44,963 - This guy's name is Larson. 356 00:12:45,031 --> 00:12:48,133 - Wow. - Mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mm. 357 00:12:48,201 --> 00:12:51,536 - That was too easy. 358 00:12:51,605 --> 00:12:53,738 - How do we know that it's not another catfish profile? 359 00:12:53,807 --> 00:12:56,641 - There's no way someone has 83,000 followers on Instagram 360 00:12:56,710 --> 00:12:57,942 and it's not him. 361 00:12:58,011 --> 00:12:59,310 - I still think we need to talk to him to make sure. 362 00:12:59,379 --> 00:13:00,979 I feel like Vonni needs, like, concrete proof. 363 00:13:01,047 --> 00:13:02,447 - You just want to talk to this guy. 364 00:13:02,516 --> 00:13:04,516 - Well, if we can possibly connect him with Vonni. 365 00:13:04,584 --> 00:13:07,152 - Hot girl summer, leave it out there, Kamie. 366 00:13:07,220 --> 00:13:08,286 - No. - Okay? 367 00:13:08,355 --> 00:13:11,356 - In here, it's cold case winter. 368 00:13:11,424 --> 00:13:12,724 - [laughing] - All right? 369 00:13:12,793 --> 00:13:16,327 - I just feel like if we're going to tell Vonni 370 00:13:16,396 --> 00:13:17,896 that the person that he's talking to 371 00:13:17,964 --> 00:13:19,330 is not the guy in the picture-- - Right. 372 00:13:19,399 --> 00:13:21,032 It'd be nice for him to know who the real guy is-- 373 00:13:21,101 --> 00:13:22,267 - And he needs proof. 374 00:13:22,335 --> 00:13:23,635 - So I feel like we should reach out 375 00:13:23,703 --> 00:13:25,336 to this Instagram, then. - Yeah. 376 00:13:25,405 --> 00:13:28,006 "Hey Larson." All right, Sent. 377 00:13:28,074 --> 00:13:29,307 The only thing we haven't done yet 378 00:13:29,376 --> 00:13:31,509 is go to Andrew's Facebook page. 379 00:13:31,578 --> 00:13:32,911 There's a whole 'nother name on there. 380 00:13:32,979 --> 00:13:34,379 - Autotic? 381 00:13:34,447 --> 00:13:37,148 - Weird. - From Pontiac, Michigan. 382 00:13:37,217 --> 00:13:38,950 "There's things I'm not proud of, 383 00:13:39,019 --> 00:13:40,351 but I'm not perfect." 384 00:13:40,420 --> 00:13:42,387 We know, Andrew. We know. 385 00:13:42,455 --> 00:13:44,289 Who is that Venus [bleep]? 386 00:13:44,357 --> 00:13:45,523 - Where? - The first comment. 387 00:13:45,592 --> 00:13:47,492 "I know I'm late but good afternoon." 388 00:13:47,561 --> 00:13:48,927 - Oh, she commented on this, too. 389 00:13:48,995 --> 00:13:51,462 This Venus page seems to be doing a lot of work 390 00:13:51,531 --> 00:13:55,567 to try and make his page feel real. 391 00:13:55,635 --> 00:13:57,435 - Richmond, Virginia. - Whoa. 392 00:13:57,504 --> 00:13:59,404 - This feels like a bogus page, too. 393 00:13:59,472 --> 00:14:00,705 - For sure. 394 00:14:00,774 --> 00:14:02,373 - Should we message her and see if she wants to help us? 395 00:14:02,442 --> 00:14:04,609 - She's probably Andrew. - Could be. 396 00:14:04,678 --> 00:14:07,645 Let's send a message to this Venus girl. Sent. 397 00:14:07,714 --> 00:14:11,249 All right. Let's do what he did and just run the phone number 398 00:14:11,318 --> 00:14:14,652 in the cash app and just see what comes up. 399 00:14:14,721 --> 00:14:19,023 Ke'an. And then his username is Befair [bleep]. 400 00:14:19,092 --> 00:14:20,692 - You be fair. - Which is weird. 401 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:22,694 Let me see if we can search that 402 00:14:22,762 --> 00:14:25,296 because there's a social media search. 403 00:14:25,365 --> 00:14:28,166 So let's see, Befair [bleep]. 404 00:14:28,235 --> 00:14:31,035 Potential owner, William [bleep]. 405 00:14:31,104 --> 00:14:33,271 - That's a very generic-ass name. 406 00:14:33,340 --> 00:14:35,740 Somebody messaged. Venus, she messaged. 407 00:14:38,612 --> 00:14:40,144 Should I ask her to get on the Zoom? 408 00:14:40,213 --> 00:14:41,479 - Yeah. 409 00:14:41,548 --> 00:14:42,814 - She said, "Sorry. I'm at work." Okay. 410 00:14:46,219 --> 00:14:48,386 Autotic [bleep]." 411 00:14:48,455 --> 00:14:52,724 - Oh, we worked together. - Oh, you mean Larson? What? 412 00:14:52,792 --> 00:14:55,426 Wait a second. That's the name of the guy in the pictures. 413 00:14:55,495 --> 00:15:00,231 - No. There's no way Autotic [bleep] is actually Larson. 414 00:15:00,300 --> 00:15:01,833 That's not true. - [laughing] 415 00:15:01,902 --> 00:15:03,601 This girl obviously knows that there is someone 416 00:15:03,670 --> 00:15:06,371 named Larson who's the person in the pictures, 417 00:15:06,439 --> 00:15:08,239 but we thought his name was Andrew. 418 00:15:09,542 --> 00:15:10,742 This sounds like bull[bleep]. 419 00:15:10,810 --> 00:15:11,910 - I said that from the beginning. 420 00:15:11,978 --> 00:15:14,345 - She knows what's going on. 421 00:15:14,414 --> 00:15:17,382 - Huh? Wait. Huh? - What? What is this video? 422 00:15:17,450 --> 00:15:20,018 - Him, right? - Him, right? 423 00:15:20,086 --> 00:15:22,520 Is that supposed to be her? - Yeah, no. That's not her. 424 00:15:22,589 --> 00:15:24,522 - Yes, him. - Yes, him. What? 425 00:15:24,591 --> 00:15:26,524 - That's not the girl in the video. 426 00:15:26,593 --> 00:15:28,893 - No. It's a Venus flytrap. 427 00:15:35,802 --> 00:15:38,736 - Virginia. That's where Vonni's from. 428 00:15:38,805 --> 00:15:40,338 I don't understand. 429 00:15:40,407 --> 00:15:42,874 Why would she reveal Larson to us? 430 00:15:42,943 --> 00:15:44,475 Maybe this is some weird burner account 431 00:15:44,544 --> 00:15:47,178 that Larson started 'cause he's in a relationship 432 00:15:47,247 --> 00:15:48,947 and he's using this to talk to Vonni. 433 00:15:49,015 --> 00:15:51,549 We can't completely rule out that possibility. 434 00:15:51,618 --> 00:15:54,419 Let's see if she can talk maybe tomorrow. 435 00:15:57,257 --> 00:15:59,057 Let's see if that actually pans out. 436 00:15:59,125 --> 00:16:01,459 All right. So we've got some weird information from Venus. 437 00:16:01,528 --> 00:16:03,394 I'll see if any of it's real. 438 00:16:03,463 --> 00:16:05,029 We've got a message out 439 00:16:05,098 --> 00:16:06,698 to the guy who appears is the real person in the photo. 440 00:16:06,766 --> 00:16:09,367 So let's stop. Let's talk to Vonni tomorrow. 441 00:16:09,436 --> 00:16:11,803 Venus did mention Virginia... - Mm-hmm. 442 00:16:11,871 --> 00:16:14,105 - And if we're getting into some murky waters here 443 00:16:14,174 --> 00:16:15,807 with someone from Virginia 444 00:16:15,875 --> 00:16:19,410 who might be connected to Vonni, anything is possible. 445 00:16:22,382 --> 00:16:24,048 - I realized today I don't want to take my braids out ever. 446 00:16:24,117 --> 00:16:26,551 I hate doing my hair. - [chuckles] 447 00:16:26,619 --> 00:16:28,987 - Please, give me a [bleep] break. 448 00:16:29,055 --> 00:16:32,090 - All right, let me see if I got any replies. 449 00:16:32,158 --> 00:16:35,393 Larson wrote back this morning. "Are you for real?" 450 00:16:35,462 --> 00:16:38,329 - Yes. - "Yes, I'm for real. 451 00:16:38,398 --> 00:16:43,634 Are you available in the next 30 minutes?" 452 00:16:43,703 --> 00:16:45,470 He said, "Sure." Okay, great. 453 00:16:45,538 --> 00:16:47,505 - And then what about Venus? Did she say anything else? 454 00:16:47,574 --> 00:16:49,173 - That was a Facebook message? - Mm-hmm. 455 00:16:49,242 --> 00:16:50,541 - No. I'll just check in with her. 456 00:16:50,610 --> 00:16:56,080 "Hey, Venus. Looking forward to chatting today." 457 00:16:56,149 --> 00:16:58,282 All right. Shall we? 458 00:16:58,351 --> 00:17:00,718 - We shall. - Let's get to work. 459 00:17:00,787 --> 00:17:02,987 I'm gonna text Vonni. 460 00:17:04,624 --> 00:17:06,858 Okay, I can get on right now. Raring to go. 461 00:17:06,926 --> 00:17:08,192 [computer chimes] 462 00:17:08,261 --> 00:17:10,028 - Hey Vonni. - What's up? 463 00:17:10,096 --> 00:17:11,462 What's going on, man? How was your night? 464 00:17:11,531 --> 00:17:14,499 - I'm nervous. I was thinking, "What are they gonna find?" 465 00:17:14,567 --> 00:17:16,167 I'm scared now. 466 00:17:16,236 --> 00:17:19,437 - Well, hopefully we have some answers for you. 467 00:17:19,506 --> 00:17:22,006 All right, so I'm going to share our screen here. 468 00:17:22,075 --> 00:17:24,008 All right, so the first thing we did yesterday 469 00:17:24,077 --> 00:17:26,310 was we ran Andrew's phone number. 470 00:17:26,379 --> 00:17:29,414 It came back registered to someone named Martin [bleep]. 471 00:17:29,482 --> 00:17:30,481 You know anyone? 472 00:17:30,550 --> 00:17:31,783 - No. I've never heard the name. 473 00:17:31,851 --> 00:17:33,284 No. Mm-mm. 474 00:17:33,353 --> 00:17:34,385 57? 475 00:17:34,454 --> 00:17:35,853 I like them old, but not that old. 476 00:17:35,922 --> 00:17:38,556 - Right. It's not impossible that this could be their dad, 477 00:17:38,625 --> 00:17:39,957 or it could just be 478 00:17:40,026 --> 00:17:42,593 some random person who had the phone before. 479 00:17:42,662 --> 00:17:46,597 - Hopefully the phone is just in that person name, hopefully. 480 00:17:46,666 --> 00:17:49,700 - After that you had found a cash app. 481 00:17:49,769 --> 00:17:51,135 - Yeah. 482 00:17:51,204 --> 00:17:52,637 - So we did it too, and we stopped at Ke'an, 483 00:17:52,705 --> 00:17:56,641 but we also noticed that the username was Befair [bleep]. 484 00:17:56,709 --> 00:17:57,542 - Mm-hmm. 485 00:17:57,610 --> 00:17:59,243 So we looked up eep] 486 00:17:59,312 --> 00:18:02,713 and it came up registered to someone named William [bleep]. 487 00:18:02,782 --> 00:18:03,881 - I never heard that name before. 488 00:18:03,950 --> 00:18:05,249 - All right. 489 00:18:05,318 --> 00:18:07,785 I mean, that's obviously a kind of "generic" name. 490 00:18:07,854 --> 00:18:10,354 After that, we did a photo search 491 00:18:10,423 --> 00:18:14,325 and when we ran the phone, we got a Twitter. 492 00:18:14,394 --> 00:18:16,127 There's content on here. 493 00:18:16,196 --> 00:18:17,762 There's a lot of content that you haven't seen, obviously. 494 00:18:17,831 --> 00:18:20,731 - They look really active, too. - Yeah. 495 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:22,500 Most importantly, right here, there's an Instagram account. 496 00:18:22,569 --> 00:18:24,635 And when we go to that, we find this. 497 00:18:24,704 --> 00:18:26,337 It's got 83,000 followers. 498 00:18:26,406 --> 00:18:28,439 - And this guy's name is Larson. 499 00:18:28,508 --> 00:18:29,907 - Oh, wow. 500 00:18:29,976 --> 00:18:32,577 - It would appear that Andrew is taking pictures 501 00:18:32,645 --> 00:18:34,045 of this guy Larson 502 00:18:34,114 --> 00:18:37,181 and set up the page that you met him on. 503 00:18:37,250 --> 00:18:41,352 - People still do that? - Yes, unfortunately. 504 00:18:41,421 --> 00:18:42,687 - Oh, my God. 505 00:18:42,755 --> 00:18:45,156 - We haven't completely ruled out there's a chance 506 00:18:45,225 --> 00:18:47,191 you could be talking to the guy in the pictures 507 00:18:47,260 --> 00:18:48,793 and that maybe he messaged you 508 00:18:48,862 --> 00:18:50,661 a second sort of fake burner account. 509 00:18:50,730 --> 00:18:51,896 - Right. 510 00:18:51,965 --> 00:18:53,331 - We sent him a message. 511 00:18:53,399 --> 00:18:55,733 Are you for real? He messaged back. 512 00:18:55,802 --> 00:18:57,168 - Oh, he text back? 513 00:18:57,237 --> 00:18:58,803 - I said, "Can you talk?" He said, "Sure." 514 00:18:58,872 --> 00:19:00,138 So let's see if we can get them to come in right now. 515 00:19:00,206 --> 00:19:03,207 [suspenseful music] 516 00:19:03,276 --> 00:19:05,109 Okay, great. He says, "Sure". 517 00:19:05,178 --> 00:19:08,779 He should pop in any second. [computer chimes] 518 00:19:08,848 --> 00:19:10,081 - Oh. - Hello? 519 00:19:10,150 --> 00:19:11,849 - Hey. - Sorry, I'm at work. 520 00:19:11,918 --> 00:19:13,818 I only have like ten minutes on break. 521 00:19:13,887 --> 00:19:15,253 - Oh, well, thank you 522 00:19:15,321 --> 00:19:18,089 for making a little bit time for us. This is Vonni. 523 00:19:18,158 --> 00:19:20,124 He's been in a relationship with some guy 524 00:19:20,193 --> 00:19:25,363 for about six months now who looks exactly like you. 525 00:19:25,431 --> 00:19:27,899 So I have to ask, Larson, 526 00:19:27,967 --> 00:19:31,736 are you in a relationship with Vonni? 527 00:19:31,804 --> 00:19:33,738 - It's not me. 528 00:19:33,806 --> 00:19:37,074 To be honest, this happens a lot. 529 00:19:37,143 --> 00:19:38,409 - How often do people 530 00:19:38,478 --> 00:19:41,245 use your pictures to make fake profiles? 531 00:19:41,314 --> 00:19:43,247 - I can't even count on both hands. 532 00:19:43,316 --> 00:19:46,117 I mean sometimes I'd be like, it's really nothing I can do, 533 00:19:46,186 --> 00:19:47,485 but just say to report them 534 00:19:47,554 --> 00:19:49,253 'cause it's on different platforms. 535 00:19:49,322 --> 00:19:50,354 - Yeah. 536 00:19:50,423 --> 00:19:51,822 - Well, Vonni has been talking to someone 537 00:19:51,891 --> 00:19:53,624 who was using your pictures, 538 00:19:53,693 --> 00:19:57,028 who called themselves Andrew and said they lived in Detroit. 539 00:19:57,096 --> 00:19:58,963 And I'm wondering if any of this sounds familiar. 540 00:19:59,032 --> 00:20:00,498 - Doesn't sound familiar at all. 541 00:20:00,567 --> 00:20:01,699 - Okay. 542 00:20:01,768 --> 00:20:03,201 - Vonni, we haven't gotten to this yet, 543 00:20:03,269 --> 00:20:05,937 but Larson, do you know of anyone named Venus? 544 00:20:06,005 --> 00:20:08,706 - Oh, yeah, a girl, maybe? - Venus [bleep]? 545 00:20:08,775 --> 00:20:10,908 - No, I don't know Venus. 546 00:20:10,977 --> 00:20:14,011 - All right, so Larson, thank you for getting in touch. 547 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:15,513 Appreciate you clearing this up. 548 00:20:15,582 --> 00:20:16,647 - Thank you, Larson. 549 00:20:16,716 --> 00:20:17,949 - I'm so sorry. 550 00:20:18,017 --> 00:20:19,817 - It's okay. - All right. 551 00:20:19,886 --> 00:20:20,718 - Thank you - Thank you, Larson. 552 00:20:20,787 --> 00:20:22,353 - Thanks, Larson. 553 00:20:22,422 --> 00:20:24,055 - That's the answer right there. 554 00:20:24,123 --> 00:20:25,656 I got played. 555 00:20:25,725 --> 00:20:28,593 [downbeat music] 556 00:20:28,661 --> 00:20:31,395 - I feel like a part of you isn't that shocked 557 00:20:31,464 --> 00:20:35,366 because there were some signs along the way. 558 00:20:35,435 --> 00:20:39,036 - There was. I just didn't-- me, I'm just scared to, like, 559 00:20:39,105 --> 00:20:41,205 question somebody, like, if something not right. 560 00:20:41,274 --> 00:20:44,742 - You didn't wanna mess things up by grilling him too hard? 561 00:20:44,811 --> 00:20:46,611 - Yeah, exactly. That's how I am. 562 00:20:46,679 --> 00:20:49,580 And I just hate hurting somebody else. 563 00:20:50,650 --> 00:20:52,383 Here's what my therapist says - But heto me.he thing. 564 00:20:52,452 --> 00:20:55,453 Every single time you give someone else a pass 565 00:20:55,521 --> 00:20:56,854 because you don't wanna hurt them, 566 00:20:56,923 --> 00:20:57,989 you end up hurting yourself. 567 00:20:58,057 --> 00:21:01,259 - And you're right. You're right. 568 00:21:01,327 --> 00:21:04,128 - Well, why don't we finish showing you what we found? 569 00:21:04,197 --> 00:21:07,198 You sent us his Facebook, which we went to look at. 570 00:21:07,267 --> 00:21:09,233 The only thing we really noticed from this was that 571 00:21:09,302 --> 00:21:11,168 on almost every post, 572 00:21:11,237 --> 00:21:13,904 there's a comment from this girl, Venus, 573 00:21:13,973 --> 00:21:15,072 the girl we asked Larson about. 574 00:21:15,141 --> 00:21:16,474 - Who the [bleep] is Venus? 575 00:21:16,542 --> 00:21:18,609 - That's what we want to know. So we went to her page. 576 00:21:18,678 --> 00:21:20,177 That was the first thing we thought. 577 00:21:20,246 --> 00:21:22,013 - Wait, wait, wait, look at that new post. 578 00:21:22,081 --> 00:21:23,447 "If it's not obvious already, 579 00:21:23,516 --> 00:21:26,050 "stay away from this 'person' Venus [bleep]. 580 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:27,318 "Straight up scammer. 581 00:21:27,387 --> 00:21:29,120 #Catfish." - Wow. 582 00:21:29,188 --> 00:21:31,722 - Then somebody said, "How do you know it's a scam?" 583 00:21:31,791 --> 00:21:33,924 - And then he said, "'cuz she text me out of the blue 584 00:21:33,993 --> 00:21:36,160 asking for money. That's a big red flag." 585 00:21:36,229 --> 00:21:38,262 Why would she leave this on her page? 586 00:21:38,331 --> 00:21:39,463 - She probably hasn't seen it. 587 00:21:39,532 --> 00:21:40,965 It was only posted a few hours ago. 588 00:21:41,034 --> 00:21:42,600 - Wow, okay. 589 00:21:42,669 --> 00:21:44,902 Well, 'cause we were suspicious that this page felt fake. 590 00:21:44,971 --> 00:21:47,038 - Mm-hmm. - Something not right. 591 00:21:47,106 --> 00:21:48,639 - So we messaged her, 592 00:21:48,708 --> 00:21:51,475 "Hey, wondering how you know Autotic [bleep]." 593 00:21:51,544 --> 00:21:52,643 - 'Cause that's his Facebook name. 594 00:21:52,712 --> 00:21:54,779 - Right. She said, "Oh, you mean Larson?" 595 00:21:54,847 --> 00:21:56,414 - Oh, wow. 596 00:21:56,482 --> 00:21:58,082 - I said, "We thought his name was Andrew. 597 00:21:58,151 --> 00:21:59,583 How do you know Larson?" 598 00:21:59,652 --> 00:22:01,285 "Oh, we're just friends" and they hang out. 599 00:22:01,354 --> 00:22:02,653 I said, "Well, when did you see him last?" 600 00:22:02,722 --> 00:22:05,256 And she said, "Virginia before COVID." 601 00:22:05,325 --> 00:22:07,692 - Virginia, really? - Virginia. 602 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,360 - 'Cause I live in Virginia. - Right. 603 00:22:09,429 --> 00:22:10,695 - It's not impossible 604 00:22:10,763 --> 00:22:12,563 that this could be someone from your past. 605 00:22:12,632 --> 00:22:15,766 - The way it's looking right now between that Venus post 606 00:22:15,835 --> 00:22:17,468 and this situation, 607 00:22:17,537 --> 00:22:21,205 I have a feeling that there are at least two people 608 00:22:21,274 --> 00:22:25,009 who are working in tandem to scam and lie and get money. 609 00:22:25,078 --> 00:22:26,544 - Money? 610 00:22:26,612 --> 00:22:28,379 - Well, yeah, and you have been giving him money, so. 611 00:22:28,448 --> 00:22:29,313 - Yes. 612 00:22:29,382 --> 00:22:30,848 - Unfortunately, we now know 613 00:22:30,917 --> 00:22:33,484 whoever you're talking to lied about the photos. 614 00:22:33,553 --> 00:22:34,518 - Mm-hmm. 615 00:22:34,587 --> 00:22:36,053 - Now, what else did they lie about? 616 00:22:36,122 --> 00:22:37,421 We don't know. 617 00:22:37,490 --> 00:22:39,156 At this point, the only way to get the answers 618 00:22:39,225 --> 00:22:40,691 is to just reach out to them. 619 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:45,262 - Hopefully, he just be 100 and maybe it'll work out. 620 00:22:45,331 --> 00:22:47,365 - You still feel like there's a chance? 621 00:22:47,433 --> 00:22:49,333 - There could be a reason why he doing this like, 622 00:22:49,402 --> 00:22:50,568 he couldn't have been through something. 623 00:22:50,636 --> 00:22:52,570 - True. - I think at this point, 624 00:22:52,638 --> 00:22:55,573 our only option now is to call Andrew 625 00:22:55,641 --> 00:22:57,541 on the phone number that you have. 626 00:22:57,610 --> 00:23:01,512 Let's just see if he answers. [line trilling] 627 00:23:01,581 --> 00:23:03,047 - Hello. 628 00:23:03,116 --> 00:23:04,382 - Hey, is this Andrew? 629 00:23:04,450 --> 00:23:05,783 - Yes. - Man. 630 00:23:05,852 --> 00:23:08,686 - Hey, Andrew, it's Nev from the TV show "Catfish" 631 00:23:08,755 --> 00:23:12,757 and I am calling because we've been chatting with Vonni 632 00:23:12,825 --> 00:23:14,125 and we're really hoping 633 00:23:14,193 --> 00:23:17,294 we could finally help you guys meet up. 634 00:23:17,363 --> 00:23:18,362 So-- [line disconnects] 635 00:23:18,431 --> 00:23:20,197 He hung up. - Lord, have mercy. 636 00:23:20,266 --> 00:23:21,399 - What the [bleep]? 637 00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:26,470 - Hey, is this Andrew? 638 00:23:27,774 --> 00:23:32,042 - Hey, Andrew, it's Nev from the TV show "Catfish" 639 00:23:32,111 --> 00:23:36,480 and I am calling because we've been chatting with Vonni 640 00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:40,684 we could finally help an you guys meet up.ing 641 00:23:40,753 --> 00:23:42,486 So-- [line disconnects] 642 00:23:42,555 --> 00:23:43,587 That was weird. 643 00:23:43,656 --> 00:23:44,789 - He hung up? - Yeah. 644 00:23:44,857 --> 00:23:46,457 What the [bleep]? - Call him back now. 645 00:23:46,526 --> 00:23:47,992 - Let me try him back. That was the weird. 646 00:23:48,060 --> 00:23:50,027 [line trilling] 647 00:23:50,096 --> 00:23:53,230 [suspenseful music] 648 00:23:53,299 --> 00:23:55,499 - Please leave your message for-- 649 00:23:55,568 --> 00:23:57,935 - Let me text him. 650 00:23:58,004 --> 00:24:01,405 "Hey, Andrew, it's Nev. 651 00:24:01,474 --> 00:24:04,842 Please call me back." 652 00:24:04,911 --> 00:24:09,580 - That was weird. That was his voice? 653 00:24:09,649 --> 00:24:12,249 - Yeah, that's the voice. That's it. Mm-hmm. 654 00:24:12,318 --> 00:24:14,318 - The concerning part is that there seems to be 655 00:24:14,387 --> 00:24:17,121 a weird connection between Andrew and Venus 656 00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:20,357 and Venus now very well might be a scammer. 657 00:24:20,426 --> 00:24:22,126 It certainly looks that way from their-- 658 00:24:22,195 --> 00:24:23,761 - Right, you can tell. 659 00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:25,830 The profile seemed weird, anyway. 660 00:24:25,898 --> 00:24:29,266 - Right, and I don't wanna say, you know, birds of a feather, 661 00:24:29,335 --> 00:24:33,537 but they seem to be flocking together. 662 00:24:33,606 --> 00:24:36,540 - I'm hurt because I, like, trust him. 663 00:24:36,609 --> 00:24:40,044 Like, I really, like, wanted something to work. 664 00:24:40,112 --> 00:24:41,512 ♪ ♪ 665 00:24:41,581 --> 00:24:43,380 I was really looking forward to move, 666 00:24:43,449 --> 00:24:45,749 to be honest, and start a new beginning. 667 00:24:45,818 --> 00:24:47,985 - You were actually thinking about moving to Detroit? 668 00:24:48,054 --> 00:24:49,587 - Yes, I was. I was thinking about it. 669 00:24:49,655 --> 00:24:53,257 Like I said, I thought it was for real. 670 00:24:53,326 --> 00:24:54,525 Like we could really go do this. 671 00:24:54,594 --> 00:24:57,528 We probably can still do this, but come on. 672 00:24:57,597 --> 00:24:58,829 What you waiting on? 673 00:24:58,898 --> 00:25:00,798 - You feel strongly enough about him that even though 674 00:25:00,867 --> 00:25:02,366 you know he's not the guy in the pictures, 675 00:25:02,435 --> 00:25:05,970 you still really want somehow for this to work out? 676 00:25:06,038 --> 00:25:07,304 - I just wanna talk. 677 00:25:07,373 --> 00:25:09,240 Maybe it can, like, you can just talk first 678 00:25:09,308 --> 00:25:11,408 then maybe something can happen, like. 679 00:25:11,477 --> 00:25:13,978 ♪ ♪ 680 00:25:14,046 --> 00:25:15,913 - Yeah. 681 00:25:15,982 --> 00:25:17,348 Do you guys say you love each other? 682 00:25:17,416 --> 00:25:20,251 - ♪ Being half under the water ♪ 683 00:25:20,319 --> 00:25:22,119 ♪ Tell me, do you see me? ♪ 684 00:25:22,188 --> 00:25:25,256 - He said it first. - He said it first? 685 00:25:25,324 --> 00:25:26,857 - The first time, I was joking. 686 00:25:26,926 --> 00:25:30,160 I'm like, "Oh, you for real?" He said, "Yes, I'm for real." 687 00:25:30,229 --> 00:25:33,364 I'm like, "Oh, I see." - Oh. 688 00:25:33,432 --> 00:25:36,767 - It's something new for me, really. 689 00:25:36,836 --> 00:25:38,302 So that's why I was so excited. 690 00:25:38,371 --> 00:25:40,838 - Maybe there's still reason to be excited, 691 00:25:40,907 --> 00:25:43,841 but there's definitely a reason to ask some questions. 692 00:25:43,910 --> 00:25:45,976 - Yeah, it's a lot of questions. 693 00:25:46,045 --> 00:25:48,212 - Yeah. - All right. Cool. 694 00:25:48,281 --> 00:25:49,847 - All right, well, look, obviously now 695 00:25:49,916 --> 00:25:52,750 Andrew knows that we're trying to figure this out. 696 00:25:52,818 --> 00:25:55,019 So I don't know what else 697 00:25:55,087 --> 00:25:56,787 I can do to try and get in touch with him. 698 00:25:56,856 --> 00:25:58,422 Like obviously tried calling him back. 699 00:25:58,491 --> 00:26:00,958 I sent him this message. I don't--he's not responded. 700 00:26:01,027 --> 00:26:02,526 I feel like at this point, 701 00:26:02,595 --> 00:26:05,362 I kind of think it has to come from you now. 702 00:26:05,431 --> 00:26:06,864 I think he needs a little motivation 703 00:26:06,933 --> 00:26:08,332 and inspiration here. 704 00:26:08,401 --> 00:26:10,067 - Should I text him or call him? 705 00:26:10,136 --> 00:26:11,602 - Whatever you wanna do. 706 00:26:11,671 --> 00:26:12,970 You know, just speak from the heart. 707 00:26:13,039 --> 00:26:14,939 - I'm gonna text him first. - Okay. 708 00:26:15,007 --> 00:26:17,374 [dramatic music] 709 00:26:17,443 --> 00:26:19,410 - "Hey, you getting on Zoom? 710 00:26:19,478 --> 00:26:21,345 I heard you talking to Nev and Kamie." 711 00:26:21,414 --> 00:26:25,015 "We also spoke to Venus. I really wanna talk to you. 712 00:26:25,084 --> 00:26:26,584 Maybe we can make something work." 713 00:26:26,652 --> 00:26:31,355 ♪ ♪ 714 00:26:31,424 --> 00:26:34,959 - He usually texts back quick. 715 00:26:35,027 --> 00:26:37,528 - [gasps] - Oh, oh, we got a reply. 716 00:26:42,134 --> 00:26:44,201 - This weird, oh, my God. 717 00:26:44,270 --> 00:26:46,837 - All right, so this is all you now, Vonni. 718 00:26:46,906 --> 00:26:48,639 - "Yes, of course." 719 00:26:48,708 --> 00:26:51,008 ♪ ♪ 720 00:26:51,077 --> 00:26:53,677 - I'm nervous. Kinda scared. 721 00:26:53,746 --> 00:26:56,213 - Oh, there are some bubbles. There we go. 722 00:26:56,282 --> 00:26:58,148 - [gasps] Send a link. 723 00:26:58,217 --> 00:27:00,417 - Let me text you the link 724 00:27:00,486 --> 00:27:02,620 and then you can just copy-paste it from your phone. 725 00:27:02,688 --> 00:27:06,657 ♪ ♪ 726 00:27:06,726 --> 00:27:07,925 - He typing. 727 00:27:07,994 --> 00:27:10,561 Oh, he said okay. - Oh, whoa, great. 728 00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:12,896 So is he just gonna jump in to Zoom any second now? 729 00:27:12,965 --> 00:27:15,099 - Ooh. 730 00:27:15,167 --> 00:27:17,768 - How do you feel, Vonnie? - I'm nervous. 731 00:27:17,837 --> 00:27:20,704 I don't know if I'm cold or I'm just nervous. 732 00:27:20,773 --> 00:27:22,673 [suspenseful music] 733 00:27:22,742 --> 00:27:24,074 I'm a chicken. 734 00:27:24,143 --> 00:27:26,543 ♪ ♪ 735 00:27:26,612 --> 00:27:30,614 [computer chimes] - Oh, who is this? 736 00:27:32,985 --> 00:27:35,285 - He sure knows how to take his time. 737 00:27:35,354 --> 00:27:38,188 [computer chimes] - Oh, hey. 738 00:27:38,257 --> 00:27:41,025 Who--who is this? 739 00:27:41,093 --> 00:27:44,595 - I am Kehondre. - Kehondre? 740 00:27:44,664 --> 00:27:46,063 So you're Andrew? 741 00:27:46,132 --> 00:27:48,032 - Yes. - Well, hello. 742 00:27:48,100 --> 00:27:49,566 Vonni, you know who this person is? 743 00:27:49,635 --> 00:27:52,002 - No. - Kehondre, do you know Vonnie? 744 00:27:52,071 --> 00:27:53,971 - No. - Okay. 745 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,339 We have a lot of questions, 746 00:27:55,408 --> 00:27:58,942 but I don't wanna get in the way of you guys 747 00:27:59,011 --> 00:28:01,078 or in this case, you, Kehondre, 748 00:28:01,147 --> 00:28:02,513 I don't know if you wanna say something 749 00:28:02,581 --> 00:28:04,214 to kind of get things going here, 750 00:28:04,283 --> 00:28:06,950 but obviously, you have some explaining to do. 751 00:28:07,019 --> 00:28:08,318 - Oh, yeah. 752 00:28:08,387 --> 00:28:13,791 Well, it started off as, um, a... 753 00:28:13,859 --> 00:28:15,359 a scheme. 754 00:28:15,428 --> 00:28:17,361 - Scheme? - Yeah. 755 00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:20,364 Like, I've been catfishing for about two-- 756 00:28:20,433 --> 00:28:22,266 about a year and a half, two years. 757 00:28:22,334 --> 00:28:24,535 I have a female profile, which is Venus. 758 00:28:24,603 --> 00:28:27,638 - You Venus, too? - Yeah, I am Venus. 759 00:28:27,707 --> 00:28:29,473 I've been doing it for a year and a half. 760 00:28:29,542 --> 00:28:32,710 So yes, I've been--I scam people. 761 00:28:32,778 --> 00:28:35,813 COVID was going on when I started to make the page 762 00:28:35,881 --> 00:28:37,514 and it went off from there 763 00:28:37,583 --> 00:28:39,416 and I just started scamming people. 764 00:28:39,485 --> 00:28:42,920 I didn't have no money, I had no income, no nothing, 765 00:28:42,988 --> 00:28:44,922 so I had to make a quick way to get money 766 00:28:44,990 --> 00:28:47,591 and that's how I-- that's how I decided to do it. 767 00:28:47,660 --> 00:28:49,727 - So you led me on for six months 768 00:28:49,795 --> 00:28:52,596 talked about--you talked about living together. 769 00:28:52,665 --> 00:28:54,565 Was that real or? 770 00:28:54,633 --> 00:28:58,268 - When I started, it was to get money out of you, 771 00:28:58,337 --> 00:29:00,871 but it ended up turning into something different 772 00:29:00,940 --> 00:29:03,874 and it just went too far. 773 00:29:03,943 --> 00:29:05,275 Everything was real. 774 00:29:05,344 --> 00:29:08,312 I just wasn't the person in the pictures, obviously. 775 00:29:08,380 --> 00:29:09,913 - Well, it wasn't real 776 00:29:09,982 --> 00:29:11,615 because even though you're saying you like Vonnie now, 777 00:29:11,684 --> 00:29:15,919 you initially met him and presumably lots of other people 778 00:29:15,988 --> 00:29:17,521 to scam them. 779 00:29:17,590 --> 00:29:21,358 - Yes, and pay my bills. So yeah, I did. 780 00:29:21,427 --> 00:29:22,893 - So you was talking to multiple people 781 00:29:22,962 --> 00:29:24,094 while you was talking to me, 782 00:29:24,163 --> 00:29:25,429 like, doing that with other people 783 00:29:25,498 --> 00:29:27,231 while you was talking to the same time? 784 00:29:29,001 --> 00:29:33,470 You weren't gonna pay my bills, how else I got to do it? 785 00:29:33,539 --> 00:29:35,939 I did what I did. It's over. It happened, okay? 786 00:29:36,008 --> 00:29:37,775 Oh, well, I scam people. 787 00:29:37,843 --> 00:29:40,410 You see me, I see you. Like, what's the problem? 788 00:29:40,479 --> 00:29:42,146 - The problem is scamming people. 789 00:29:42,214 --> 00:29:43,514 That's the problem. 790 00:29:43,582 --> 00:29:47,684 - Okay, well, I did it. I'm here. So now what? 791 00:29:47,753 --> 00:29:53,423 - Okay, why don't we do this-- where do you live? 792 00:29:53,492 --> 00:29:55,392 - I live in a town named Pontiac, Michigan. 793 00:29:55,461 --> 00:29:58,562 - Are you 26? - Yes, I'm 26. 794 00:29:58,631 --> 00:30:02,232 - Okay, and you don't have a job 795 00:30:02,301 --> 00:30:03,667 that you have to clock into every day? 796 00:30:03,736 --> 00:30:05,302 - No. I don't have a nine to five. 797 00:30:05,371 --> 00:30:06,703 No, I do not. 798 00:30:06,772 --> 00:30:10,207 - Okay, so this is your main source of income? 799 00:30:10,276 --> 00:30:11,675 - Yes, it is. 800 00:30:11,744 --> 00:30:14,344 - How many people do you think you've talked to in total 801 00:30:14,413 --> 00:30:16,847 using the profiles over the last year and a half? 802 00:30:16,916 --> 00:30:18,182 - It's been hundreds. 803 00:30:18,250 --> 00:30:19,850 - Okay, so a lot-- a lot of people? 804 00:30:19,919 --> 00:30:21,151 - Mm-hmm. 805 00:30:21,220 --> 00:30:24,154 - And about how many of those relationships 806 00:30:24,223 --> 00:30:26,890 or those conversations end up 807 00:30:26,959 --> 00:30:30,427 making it to the level where they're sending you money? 808 00:30:30,496 --> 00:30:32,496 - Mostly all of them. - Wow. 809 00:30:32,565 --> 00:30:33,530 - That's how I make the money. 810 00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:34,565 That's how I make the money I make. 811 00:30:34,633 --> 00:30:36,466 - So you're pretty good at this? 812 00:30:36,535 --> 00:30:38,135 - Yes. - Wow. 813 00:30:38,204 --> 00:30:40,337 - But you are aware that, like, you're getting called out. 814 00:30:40,406 --> 00:30:42,606 Like, somebody was literally on the Venus page today 815 00:30:42,675 --> 00:30:46,243 posting screenshots saying that you're a scammer. 816 00:30:46,312 --> 00:30:48,045 - That's fine. I'll make another page. 817 00:30:48,113 --> 00:30:50,347 [chuckles] That's fine. It don't stop. 818 00:30:50,416 --> 00:30:52,316 That's--they don't understand. It don't stop. 819 00:30:52,384 --> 00:30:54,418 - Have you made new pages already? 820 00:30:54,486 --> 00:30:56,954 - Yeah, that's--them are new. Them are new pages. 821 00:30:57,022 --> 00:30:59,323 - And what do you do when people wanna talk to Venus? 822 00:30:59,391 --> 00:31:01,959 - [high-pitched voice] Hey, how are you. What's up? 823 00:31:02,027 --> 00:31:03,493 - I can't. 824 00:31:06,265 --> 00:31:08,632 - It's--it's the game, y'all. Y'all gotta know the game. 825 00:31:08,701 --> 00:31:10,500 It's the game. That's all it is. 826 00:31:10,569 --> 00:31:12,035 - Well, was it a game or do you like him? 827 00:31:12,104 --> 00:31:14,004 'Cause you said that your relationship with Vonnie 828 00:31:14,073 --> 00:31:15,472 did mean something to you? 829 00:31:15,541 --> 00:31:17,074 - Yes, I started catching feelings for him. 830 00:31:17,142 --> 00:31:18,475 Yes, I did. 831 00:31:18,544 --> 00:31:20,944 The way he texts me, the way he cared, 832 00:31:21,013 --> 00:31:24,848 the way he just carry himself, like, when we got on phone, 833 00:31:24,917 --> 00:31:28,118 he like, he said some things that really made me think, 834 00:31:28,187 --> 00:31:29,419 like, "Oh, my God, 835 00:31:29,488 --> 00:31:32,122 this is a wrong person to be doing this to." 836 00:31:32,191 --> 00:31:33,657 ♪ ♪ 837 00:31:33,726 --> 00:31:36,693 - After that point, did you continue asking him for money? 838 00:31:36,762 --> 00:31:38,996 - He sent me like two payments and then after that 839 00:31:39,064 --> 00:31:40,264 it was nothing. 840 00:31:40,332 --> 00:31:43,100 - So how you feeling right now? Like-- 841 00:31:43,168 --> 00:31:45,269 - I mean, I feel the same way. 842 00:31:45,337 --> 00:31:46,870 There's nothing that's gonna change, like, 843 00:31:46,939 --> 00:31:50,240 I still want to be with you. I want to get to know you, 844 00:31:50,309 --> 00:31:54,645 and I want to take this off of what I did 845 00:31:54,713 --> 00:31:55,913 and I apologize. 846 00:31:55,981 --> 00:31:57,814 - If you wanted to work something out, 847 00:31:57,883 --> 00:31:59,316 you could have stopped doing that scam [bleep] 848 00:31:59,385 --> 00:32:00,817 or whatever [bleep] you be doing. 849 00:32:00,886 --> 00:32:02,686 - Yeah, I do what I do. 850 00:32:02,755 --> 00:32:04,288 Like, I don't see a problem with it. 851 00:32:04,356 --> 00:32:07,124 - You don't see a problem with catfishing 852 00:32:07,192 --> 00:32:08,191 and scamming people? 853 00:32:08,260 --> 00:32:11,128 - Scamming? - No. 854 00:32:11,196 --> 00:32:14,564 You're old enough to know what to do and what not to do 855 00:32:14,633 --> 00:32:16,099 and what not to do to get scammed. 856 00:32:16,168 --> 00:32:17,434 Like what? 857 00:32:17,503 --> 00:32:19,036 - But then you could also make the argument 858 00:32:19,104 --> 00:32:21,939 that you're old enough to know that scamming people is wrong. 859 00:32:22,007 --> 00:32:24,708 - To you, it's wrong. To me, it's not wrong. 860 00:32:24,777 --> 00:32:26,743 - No, to everybody it's wrong. 861 00:32:26,812 --> 00:32:29,680 - Well, that's y'all opinion. To me, it's not wrong. 862 00:32:32,251 --> 00:32:35,786 - Right, that's what--that's what is gagging me literally. 863 00:32:35,854 --> 00:32:38,789 - Right, all this a game-- - No, because y'all-- 864 00:32:38,857 --> 00:32:40,290 y'all just sit here thinking like, 865 00:32:40,359 --> 00:32:41,825 like--like I'm just a bad person-- 866 00:32:41,894 --> 00:32:43,560 - Hey, you not even planning to stop. 867 00:32:43,629 --> 00:32:45,796 You wanna keep going. - I mean, look. 868 00:32:45,864 --> 00:32:48,799 Vonnie should have known better, 869 00:32:48,867 --> 00:32:53,503 but he didn't and he's generous and he's sweet and he's kind, 870 00:32:53,572 --> 00:32:55,205 and you took advantage of that. 871 00:32:55,274 --> 00:33:00,644 You definitely hurt him and wasted his time 872 00:33:00,713 --> 00:33:04,281 and, you know, took money from him under false pretenses. 873 00:33:04,350 --> 00:33:05,816 And those are all pretty [bleep] up things 874 00:33:05,884 --> 00:33:07,150 to do to someone. 875 00:33:07,219 --> 00:33:08,352 - Exactly. 876 00:33:08,420 --> 00:33:09,686 - Right? You can acknowledge that. 877 00:33:09,755 --> 00:33:10,854 - Mm-hmm. 878 00:33:10,923 --> 00:33:13,056 - For you to sit here and say like, 879 00:33:13,125 --> 00:33:15,392 "I don't see anything wrong with it. It's cool. 880 00:33:15,461 --> 00:33:18,061 If they get scammed, it's their fault." 881 00:33:18,130 --> 00:33:19,463 Like, that's not real talk. 882 00:33:19,531 --> 00:33:22,032 That's you trying to justify your [bleep] behavior 883 00:33:22,101 --> 00:33:24,167 and not feel bad about it. 884 00:33:24,236 --> 00:33:26,670 - I'm not justifying anything. It's just what I do. 885 00:33:26,739 --> 00:33:28,438 I do what I do and I do what I do 886 00:33:28,507 --> 00:33:30,273 and I don't want to be judged for it. 887 00:33:30,342 --> 00:33:32,075 - Okay, well. 888 00:33:32,144 --> 00:33:33,643 - All right, then let's not talk about that. 889 00:33:33,712 --> 00:33:35,512 Let's talk about Vonnie. 890 00:33:35,581 --> 00:33:38,281 Because you have a lot of confidence 891 00:33:38,350 --> 00:33:40,450 to sort of come on here and say, 892 00:33:40,519 --> 00:33:42,285 "Hey, you know, that's what I do. 893 00:33:42,354 --> 00:33:43,653 "I'm not gonna stop doing it, 894 00:33:43,722 --> 00:33:45,122 but I still want to be with you." 895 00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:47,357 And I don't know what you expected him to say. 896 00:33:47,426 --> 00:33:49,993 - That we just-- - Scam together? 897 00:33:50,062 --> 00:33:53,463 - [laughs] No. 898 00:33:53,532 --> 00:33:55,799 That is not--that was not what I was thinking, 899 00:33:55,868 --> 00:33:57,634 because I don't want you in there, like-- 900 00:33:57,703 --> 00:34:00,504 - I won't go do it, trust me. Mm-mm. 901 00:34:00,572 --> 00:34:04,408 - But, I mean, rather I was hoping that you was like, 902 00:34:04,476 --> 00:34:06,109 "Okay, well, you do what you do. 903 00:34:06,178 --> 00:34:08,478 "That's not on me. We're gonna rock out. 904 00:34:08,547 --> 00:34:09,646 "We gonna get to know each other, 905 00:34:09,715 --> 00:34:11,615 but whatever you do, that's on you." 906 00:34:11,683 --> 00:34:16,186 I'm a provider, so I was gonna be a provider. 907 00:34:16,255 --> 00:34:18,221 Now if y'all want to be honest, 908 00:34:18,290 --> 00:34:19,456 I'm in love with Vonnie. 909 00:34:19,525 --> 00:34:21,191 I love him and I want to be with him. 910 00:34:21,260 --> 00:34:23,627 I wanna pursue a future with him, 911 00:34:23,695 --> 00:34:27,264 but like I said, it's money. 912 00:34:27,332 --> 00:34:28,632 Y'all ought to understand that. 913 00:34:28,700 --> 00:34:31,701 I--I--I never, I don't-- I don't care what nobody say. 914 00:34:31,770 --> 00:34:33,270 Making this amount of money 915 00:34:33,338 --> 00:34:35,505 got me from where I was living at in the hood. 916 00:34:35,574 --> 00:34:37,107 I don't have nobody at home, 917 00:34:37,176 --> 00:34:39,009 I can't ask nobody for nothing, I can't do none of that. 918 00:34:39,078 --> 00:34:41,778 So with me doing that, that's me providing for me. 919 00:34:41,847 --> 00:34:43,580 If you--if you can't deal with that, I'm sorry. 920 00:34:43,649 --> 00:34:46,550 - Just stop. 921 00:34:46,618 --> 00:34:48,618 - And what about your life in Pontiac? 922 00:34:48,687 --> 00:34:53,023 I mean, are-- are you dating anyone? 923 00:34:53,092 --> 00:34:56,026 - No, but I do have something to tell Vonnie. 924 00:34:56,095 --> 00:34:58,261 - Oh, Jesus Christ. 925 00:34:58,330 --> 00:35:01,531 - I was dating this girl 926 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,367 and she is seven months pregnant. 927 00:35:04,436 --> 00:35:06,636 [dramatic music] 928 00:35:06,705 --> 00:35:07,938 - Oh, my God. 929 00:35:09,341 --> 00:35:10,307 - I do have something to tell Vonnie. 930 00:35:10,375 --> 00:35:12,175 - Oh, Jesus Christ. 931 00:35:12,244 --> 00:35:15,479 - I was dating this girl 932 00:35:15,547 --> 00:35:19,649 and she is seven months pregnant. 933 00:35:19,718 --> 00:35:21,918 [dramatic music] 934 00:35:21,987 --> 00:35:26,389 - So you was willing to still have a relationship with me, 935 00:35:26,458 --> 00:35:29,559 but you got all this going on? 936 00:35:29,628 --> 00:35:32,329 - And are you planning on being an active parent? 937 00:35:32,397 --> 00:35:34,097 - Of course. I want full custody. 938 00:35:34,166 --> 00:35:35,298 That's what I'm going for. 939 00:35:35,367 --> 00:35:37,267 - On top of scamming and doing all that, 940 00:35:37,336 --> 00:35:38,902 but you getting locked up 'cause of this, 941 00:35:38,971 --> 00:35:40,337 who gonna watch the baby? 942 00:35:40,405 --> 00:35:42,672 - Whatever I have to do to support my daughter, 943 00:35:43,809 --> 00:35:45,575 When that baby come, I'm gonna be a provider. 944 00:35:45,644 --> 00:35:48,745 - That's a pretty major detail that you left out 945 00:35:48,814 --> 00:35:51,715 of your very loving communications with Vonnie 946 00:35:51,783 --> 00:35:54,151 where you talking about having him move to Michigan 947 00:35:54,219 --> 00:35:55,685 and, you know, quit his job 948 00:35:55,754 --> 00:35:58,188 and you guys could do something together. 949 00:35:58,257 --> 00:35:59,956 Are you still with this girl? 950 00:36:00,025 --> 00:36:02,559 - No. Well, I didn't know. I wasn't to tell him like this, 951 00:36:02,628 --> 00:36:04,327 but he gets-- he called you guys. 952 00:36:04,396 --> 00:36:06,363 So I guess I had no choice but to tell him. 953 00:36:06,431 --> 00:36:08,365 - Well, first--first of all, first of all, 954 00:36:08,433 --> 00:36:09,799 Vonni did not write in. 955 00:36:09,868 --> 00:36:12,502 Vonni's friend wrote in on his behalf 956 00:36:12,571 --> 00:36:16,640 because she felt as though you were likely-- 957 00:36:16,708 --> 00:36:18,208 - Scamming. - Scamming him. 958 00:36:18,277 --> 00:36:20,710 And she was right. - She was right. 959 00:36:20,779 --> 00:36:23,780 - So it was not Vonni's idea to come on here. 960 00:36:23,849 --> 00:36:25,448 And even if it was-- - He didn't wanna do this. 961 00:36:25,517 --> 00:36:27,184 - No, but even if it was his idea, 962 00:36:27,252 --> 00:36:28,485 that doesn't mean that he deserves 963 00:36:28,554 --> 00:36:29,986 the [bleep] things that you did to him 964 00:36:30,055 --> 00:36:31,721 and neither does anybody else. 965 00:36:31,790 --> 00:36:35,325 When you come on here and you're talking to someone 966 00:36:35,394 --> 00:36:36,826 that you are in love with, 967 00:36:36,895 --> 00:36:38,962 court him in the way you've been courting him. 968 00:36:39,031 --> 00:36:40,964 You've been, "Hello, good morning, beautiful." 969 00:36:41,033 --> 00:36:42,399 - Right. 970 00:36:42,467 --> 00:36:44,301 - All these nice things. Like, where is the softness? 971 00:36:44,369 --> 00:36:46,369 - That--that--that's who I am. What do you mean? 972 00:36:46,438 --> 00:36:48,338 Y'all, I have three people attacking me 973 00:36:48,407 --> 00:36:50,207 and I'm-- I'm being asked questions 974 00:36:50,275 --> 00:36:51,775 and y'all contradicting what I'm saying? 975 00:36:51,843 --> 00:36:53,810 - You came up here all aggressive 976 00:36:53,879 --> 00:36:56,413 like you don't care. You just care about money. 977 00:36:56,481 --> 00:36:57,948 - How was I aggressive? How was I aggressive? 978 00:36:58,016 --> 00:37:00,750 - Then you wanna come up here and talk about a baby. 979 00:37:00,819 --> 00:37:02,652 That's-- 980 00:37:02,721 --> 00:37:04,221 - It's life. I told you. 981 00:37:04,289 --> 00:37:05,522 - That kinda like pushed me. 982 00:37:05,591 --> 00:37:06,923 Like, I'm 20 years old. Like, I'm gonna have fun. 983 00:37:06,992 --> 00:37:10,527 I don't got time for all these games to be honest, like. 984 00:37:10,596 --> 00:37:11,995 - So you don't want-- so you don't wanna-- 985 00:37:12,064 --> 00:37:13,597 you don't wanna talk anymore? 986 00:37:13,665 --> 00:37:15,665 - Like, first of all, you say you're not planning on stopping 987 00:37:15,734 --> 00:37:19,336 and you didn't even say to me about the female. 988 00:37:19,404 --> 00:37:21,471 - I just told you. 989 00:37:21,540 --> 00:37:23,707 - Okay, but it's late, like you could've told me-- 990 00:37:23,775 --> 00:37:25,275 - No, no, no, but you called them. 991 00:37:25,344 --> 00:37:28,111 So you did this, you brought this on yourself. 992 00:37:28,180 --> 00:37:29,746 What do you mean? I told you here. 993 00:37:29,815 --> 00:37:31,982 I was gonna--I was gonna tell you somewhere else, 994 00:37:32,050 --> 00:37:34,050 but you wanted to bring it here, so here we are. 995 00:37:34,119 --> 00:37:35,552 What you mean? 996 00:37:35,621 --> 00:37:37,520 How you getting mad at me 'cause I told you that? 997 00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:39,456 - I just wish you was 100 with me in the beginning. 998 00:37:39,524 --> 00:37:42,826 Just put his bomb on me. 999 00:37:42,894 --> 00:37:44,427 Just like, thanks. 1000 00:37:44,496 --> 00:37:46,730 - 'Cause it's up with a bomb on you, you running? 1001 00:37:46,798 --> 00:37:48,932 - No, I'm not running. - Right, so-- 1002 00:37:49,001 --> 00:37:51,735 - I can only deal with too much, all this [bleep]. Like-- 1003 00:37:51,803 --> 00:37:53,470 - But what you just said-- - Too much. 1004 00:37:53,538 --> 00:37:55,005 - You just said it's too much and you-- 1005 00:37:55,073 --> 00:37:57,007 - It is too much. That's why I said I can't. 1006 00:37:57,075 --> 00:37:58,975 I can't deal with you because. 1007 00:37:59,044 --> 00:38:00,744 - Okay, so that's what it is. 1008 00:38:00,812 --> 00:38:02,746 You just said to hell with it. That's what it is, so. 1009 00:38:02,814 --> 00:38:05,482 Y'all heard him, he can't deal with this, so it is what it is. 1010 00:38:05,550 --> 00:38:07,317 - He shouldn't have to deal with it. 1011 00:38:07,386 --> 00:38:08,952 - Do you feel badly 1012 00:38:09,021 --> 00:38:11,588 that you've been doing this for the past year and a half? 1013 00:38:11,657 --> 00:38:13,590 - Yeah, I mean, I feel bad of course, 1014 00:38:13,659 --> 00:38:16,026 but do I regret it? 1015 00:38:16,094 --> 00:38:19,529 No, because it got me where I am now. 1016 00:38:19,598 --> 00:38:20,830 - Oh, yeah. Those are separate things, but yeah. 1017 00:38:20,899 --> 00:38:22,098 - Yeah. 1018 00:38:22,167 --> 00:38:24,634 But you--you do feel-- 1019 00:38:24,703 --> 00:38:26,536 that you've hurt people and you acknowledge that-- 1020 00:38:26,605 --> 00:38:28,538 - Yeah. - Right. 1021 00:38:28,607 --> 00:38:30,573 - I'm not crazy, y'all. [chuckles] 1022 00:38:30,642 --> 00:38:32,742 - But see, this is what-- this is what we-- 1023 00:38:32,811 --> 00:38:34,277 when we were asking the questions, 1024 00:38:34,346 --> 00:38:35,912 that is what we were looking for. 1025 00:38:35,981 --> 00:38:38,915 Because the surface level is no, I don't like-- 1026 00:38:38,984 --> 00:38:40,216 no, like, I do-- - You said it's their fault. 1027 00:38:40,285 --> 00:38:41,618 - "I do what I do, I do what I did," blah, blah, blah. 1028 00:38:41,687 --> 00:38:44,321 But the reality is here where it's, 1029 00:38:44,389 --> 00:38:46,222 "I do feel bad about what I'm doing, 1030 00:38:46,291 --> 00:38:50,260 but it did get me to where I am and I'm happy about that." 1031 00:38:50,329 --> 00:38:51,961 That--that is the truth. 1032 00:38:52,030 --> 00:38:54,331 - Mm-hmm. 1033 00:38:54,399 --> 00:38:56,566 I apologize, um, 1034 00:38:56,635 --> 00:39:01,171 but I will send you your money back tomorrow. 1035 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:06,209 But other than that, I wish you the best and I hope one day 1036 00:39:06,278 --> 00:39:09,979 we can meet each other again or cross paths or whatever, 1037 00:39:10,048 --> 00:39:12,048 but this is not the way I wanted it to be, 1038 00:39:12,117 --> 00:39:13,750 but I respect it. 1039 00:39:13,819 --> 00:39:18,221 So it's what it is. Are we done here? 1040 00:39:18,290 --> 00:39:19,456 - Yeah. - [chuckles] 1041 00:39:19,524 --> 00:39:20,590 - All right, so look, 1042 00:39:20,659 --> 00:39:22,859 so you're probably both better off 1043 00:39:22,928 --> 00:39:25,562 not in a relationship with each other. 1044 00:39:25,630 --> 00:39:27,697 I don't know how you want to or don't want to 1045 00:39:27,766 --> 00:39:31,201 continue being friends or talking or not. 1046 00:39:31,269 --> 00:39:34,204 - Well, if I don't--if I don't talk to you again, 1047 00:39:34,272 --> 00:39:36,072 happy birthday. [chuckles] 1048 00:39:36,141 --> 00:39:39,275 Um, but yeah, like I said, you made a decision. 1049 00:39:39,344 --> 00:39:41,678 I respect it and that's that. 1050 00:39:41,747 --> 00:39:44,047 - Well, I wish you and your baby best. 1051 00:39:44,116 --> 00:39:45,415 - Thank you. 1052 00:39:45,484 --> 00:39:47,417 - Hopefully, you change. - Thank you. 1053 00:39:47,486 --> 00:39:49,853 I appreciate you guys. Thank you so much. 1054 00:39:49,921 --> 00:39:51,888 - All right, man. Take my luck with everything. 1055 00:39:51,957 --> 00:39:54,391 - Bye, thank you. - Good luck. 1056 00:39:54,459 --> 00:39:56,292 - This [bleep] up. Like, mm-mm. 1057 00:39:56,361 --> 00:39:57,794 - Vonnie. 1058 00:39:57,863 --> 00:39:59,896 - It's like a robber on the street coming to mug you 1059 00:39:59,965 --> 00:40:00,964 and they have a gun to your head and they're like, 1060 00:40:01,032 --> 00:40:02,265 "Oh, actually you're kind of cute. 1061 00:40:02,334 --> 00:40:03,800 Can I get your number?" - Right. 1062 00:40:03,869 --> 00:40:06,302 - No. Get the [bleep] out of here. 1063 00:40:06,371 --> 00:40:07,570 - I'm sorry it didn't work out, 1064 00:40:07,639 --> 00:40:09,739 but I do think you're way better off. 1065 00:40:09,808 --> 00:40:12,008 - Yeah. I think I'm okay. I'm not like, sad. 1066 00:40:12,077 --> 00:40:14,878 I'm, like, kinda disappointed but kinda happy 1067 00:40:14,946 --> 00:40:16,079 because, like, I can just live my life 1068 00:40:16,148 --> 00:40:17,947 and just, like, go to the beach, hi girls. 1069 00:40:18,016 --> 00:40:21,084 - Let us know if he does send you that money back. 1070 00:40:21,153 --> 00:40:22,819 - He not. [chuckles] 1071 00:40:22,888 --> 00:40:24,621 - And I would urge you to block him 1072 00:40:24,689 --> 00:40:28,024 and keep a close eye out for any new friend requests 1073 00:40:28,093 --> 00:40:29,559 and make sure that you steer clear. 1074 00:40:29,628 --> 00:40:31,161 - All right, thank y'all. 1075 00:40:31,229 --> 00:40:32,262 - [smooches] 1076 00:40:32,330 --> 00:40:33,763 - Bye. - Bye, Vonni. 1077 00:40:33,832 --> 00:40:35,765 - Bye. 1078 00:40:35,834 --> 00:40:37,867 - ♪ I don't wanna miss out ♪ 1079 00:40:37,936 --> 00:40:41,037 ♪ I don't, I don't wanna miss out ♪ 1080 00:40:41,106 --> 00:40:43,973 ♪ Don't matter, I don't want to cool it down ♪ 1081 00:40:44,042 --> 00:40:49,145 ♪ ♪