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Met when they were 10
or 11 years old.
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- Do you feel like
you love Jordan?
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- Yes.
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He's every single thing
I want in a man.
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- Oh, we got a Twitter account.
- [gasps]
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- Tahj.
- Who the hell is Tahj?
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- Something's going on here.
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There's no evidence that
a Jordan exists anywhere.
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- Over the years, though--like,
12 years, really?
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- Oh!
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- Oh, [bleep].
- Hello. Who's there?
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[intense music]
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♪ ♪
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All right.
Well, call time was 7:30 today.
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A little early.
Kamie's still not here.
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I was gonna keep waiting
before I had my breakfast,
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but it's getting cold.
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Oh!
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Look who decided to show up.
What's up, Biggie?
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There she is.
[chuckles]
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Looks like she's going
to the couch.
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It's not that early. Come on.
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- It's early enough!
I'm not a morning person, Nev.
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You know this about me.
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Thank you.
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I just get a little angry when
I don't have my iced coffee
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immediately when I wake up.
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- Shall we?
- We shall.
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Come on, Biggie.
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- All right.
Oh, we got an email.
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Here we go.
Here's an email from Kailan.
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"Hey, Nev and Kamie.
I'm in a bit of a dilemma.
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"I met this guy named Jordan
in a teen chat room site
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"12 years ago,
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"and just by conversation,
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"our relationship skyrocketed.
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"We messaged all the time
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"and started talking
on the phone for hours.
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"We were obsessed
with each other,
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"and as we got older,
we flirted more and more
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and started having
feelings for each other."
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- ♪ I can give you love like,
love like ♪
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♪ You ain't never seen
in your life, your life ♪
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- "Currently, I'm 23,
and I live in Indiana.
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"He's 22 and live
in Orlando, Florida.
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"So I guess it makes sense
that it would be hard to meet.
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"But after being on and off
for all these years,
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"we are now most definitely on.
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"He's the constant in my life,
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"my first online friend
and my ideal man.
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"He understands me,
and now that we're older,
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I'm ready to meet
the love of my life."
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- ♪ I can give you love like,
love like ♪
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- "But we've tried to meet up
twice before.
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"Both times, I flew to Florida,
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"only to be stood up.
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"Not to mention,
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"I can't understand why
he doesn't want to FaceTime
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"or, recently, even talk
on the phone.
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"It leaves me feeling uneasy
about who he really is.
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- Same, sis.
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- "We talk about a future
together,
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"including marriage and babies.
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"But I'm still worried.
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"Would you guys please
help me shake this feeling
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"so I can love him freely
without these thoughts?
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Kailan."
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- Um, I think the thoughts that
Kailan has are right on point.
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- Let's send a little
texty-text to Kailan.
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- To Kailan.
Reporting for duty.
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- So wait a second.
Kailan is 23.
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- Mm-hmm.
- And they met 12 years ago.
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That's a--that means
she was 11.
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- Exactly.
- And he was ten.
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Are people catfishing at ten?
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- Who knows what Jordan told
Kailan when they first met.
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- Right.
- I'm sure they weren't saying,
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"Hi, I'm Kailan.
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I'm 12 years old."
They were saying, "22."
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- Oh, you think they were both
lying to each other
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when they first met?
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- Were you not on chat rooms
when you were--
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- No, I wasn't. I never did.
- Well, I was.
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I was always 21.
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- Oh, she wrote back.
"Hey, guys.
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Oh my God, are you guys
coming to save the day?"
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- Absolutely.
- "Come in our Zoom."
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- We should be back-to-back.
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Hey!
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- Hey.
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- What's up, Kailan?
- Hey. What's up, what's up?
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- Did you grow up in Indiana?
- Yes, I did. I grew up here.
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- What do you do for work?
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- I'm a mail carrier.
I'm a mail lady.
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- Let's do a test.
- See if he'll bark at her?
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- Biggie, look.
She's a--she's a mailwoman.
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- [laughs]
- What do you think?
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- What do you think?
Can you tell? Can you tell?
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- I gotta have my uniform on.
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- Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- It's the uniform.
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- Very cool.
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- Yeah, but I went to school
for a year.
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I did pre-med.
- Why did you stop?
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- I got pregnant.
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I got pregnant
with my daughter.
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- Wow.
- So how old's your daughter?
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- She's three now.
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- Were you dating her father?
- I was at the time.
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But, um,
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she's not my only kid.
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I have twin boys.
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- Wow. How old are they?
- They are one.
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- And you're no longer
with their father.
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- Mm-mm. Not at all.
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- You have a lot on your plate.
- I do.
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- Geez.
And then Jordan, who's...
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- Then Jordan.
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He's in the midst of all that.
He was just always there.
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- Well, so, the first thing
I said to Kamie
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when I read the email was,
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if you guys met when he was 10
and you were 11,
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hard to imagine
what he might have lied about.
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Were you on there as yourself,
being honest?
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- No.
I was on there saying I was 18.
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- See?
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- How old did he say he was?
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- He was 19.
- See?
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- So what if he really was 19?
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- Ew.
- Ew. Right.
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- I feel like people expected,
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on any chat room,
that everyone was lying...
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- Right.
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- About their age
and their location.
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For sure.
- Yeah.
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- So what kind of chat room
was this?
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- Me and Jordan was talking
in an astrology chat room.
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- What's his sign?
- Guess.
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'cause I don't know
anything about him.
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Don't tell me he's a Cancer.
- No. He's a Taurus.
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- I mean, it would explain
why he hasn't shown up yet,
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'cause Taurus
are notoriously lazy.
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- [laughs]
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- Just sort of take us back
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and, like,
tell us the whole story.
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- Okay, so me and Jordan met
in a chat room,
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and we just started talking,
learning about each other,
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as far as, like,
the simple stuff.
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And then we really
got deep in there.
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- So--okay,
so you met in the chat room,
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and then what?
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- We switched over to Kik.
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Then I ended up
getting my own phone,
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and it turned into
phone calls, late at night.
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- And how would you describe
the way Jordan sounds?
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- Well, you know, puberty--
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it was the little kid voice,
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so it sounded like a female.
I ain't gonna lie.
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- Mmm. Mm-hmm.
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- Did you ever feel like
he was your boyfriend?
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- At a point, we were dating.
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Around, like, freshman year,
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called each other boyfriend
and girlfriend.
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And then, since then,
we were on and off.
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But every single time,
y'all--every single time,
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the vibe never left.
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It was like, we just pick up
where we left off.
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- Wait a second, so--okay,
so you met in the chat room,
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and then you said you guys
switched over to Kik.
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When you were in high school,
did you guys...
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- It was more--
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- Connect on other
social media?
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- Well, we connected
on Snapchat,
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but he never
really posted himself.
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He was posting quotes.
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- What do you know about him?
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- What does he do?
Like, what's his job?
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- His life.
- Yeah, tell us about Jordan.
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- He said he was doing
construction at the time.
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And then he ended up
quitting his job
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and started focusing
on stocks.
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- So when you were dating
your ex and you got pregnant,
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how was that
for you to have to tell Jordan?
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- I was scared.
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I didn't want to lose the
relationship we had, you know?
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And when I finally just said,
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"Forget it,
I'ma just tell him,"
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he was more excited than me.
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He was happy for me.
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Then the twins came.
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That's when I'm like, "Aww,
I'm finna lose him this time,
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'cause what the [bleep],"
you know?
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When I told him
about the twins,
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when I tell you
he made me start accepting it--
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- Whoa.
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- It was amazing
how he helped me
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get through
the whole situation.
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"Everything happens
for a reason."
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That's what he told me.
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- Do you feel
like you love Jordan?
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- Yeah.
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- Have you guys said
that you love each other?
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- Yes, we have.
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He actually was
the first to say it.
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I just feel like
he understands me
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more than any man
that I have ever dealt with.
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He's every single thing
I want in a man.
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- I mean, I'm trying
to find something
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not to like about this guy.
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He seems great.
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- But he has said
he was gonna see you.
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- Mmm.
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- And you went
to Florida twice?
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- Yep.
I went to Miami before that.
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I texted him,
"I want to see you."
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And he was all, "Okay, yeah.
That's dope.
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We're gonna walk the beach.
We're gonna do all this."
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And I get there, he's like,
"Oh, I got work."
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I was a little upset,
but I didn't want it
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to ruin the trip,
so I just let it go.
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- And then was there
another time
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that you went to Florida?
- Yes.
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In 2019,
I actually went to Orlando.
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He was like, "Sorry something
came up last time.
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I have to see you this time."
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And I was out there
for three days.
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Didn't text me back.
Didn't call me. Nothing.
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I was pissed off.
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I stopped talking to him
for two months.
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That's when I started thinking,
like, something's not right.
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- So I think we have to assume
that either
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he doesn't live in Orlando,
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or he's not the guy
in the pictures.
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Those are the first two,
most obvious reasons
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why he might not show up.
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Have you asked to FaceTime?
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- I have.
- Why hadn't that happened?
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- He would be like,
"Okay, I'ma call you tonight,"
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and never call.
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- Classic.
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And do you talk
on the phone now?
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- He hasn't been
calling me at all.
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- When was the last time you
spoke to Jordan on the phone?
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- When we were kids.
- Like, five, six years ago?
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- Yeah.
- Oh, my God.
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So for six or seven years,
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you guys haven't talked
on the phone.
247
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- We didn't talk on the phone.
- Wow.
248
00:08:59,540 --> 00:09:00,639
- How does he explain that?
249
00:09:00,707 --> 00:09:02,707
- He's busy.
- That's weird.
250
00:09:02,776 --> 00:09:03,942
Have you ever pressed him on it
and said,
251
00:09:04,011 --> 00:09:05,143
you know, like, "What's up?"
252
00:09:05,212 --> 00:09:06,711
- I pressed him
on the phone calls.
253
00:09:06,780 --> 00:09:09,247
Recently, I told him
"I'm upset,
254
00:09:09,316 --> 00:09:11,917
"because you keep saying you're
gonna call me. You never did."
255
00:09:11,985 --> 00:09:14,586
- Do you have any messages
or pictures that we can see?
256
00:09:14,655 --> 00:09:16,555
- Yeah.
- Show us the goods.
257
00:09:16,623 --> 00:09:17,989
Okay, great.
- Oh, wait.
258
00:09:18,058 --> 00:09:21,159
- Okay. Wait. Let's--
- Is that him? Cute.
259
00:09:21,228 --> 00:09:23,261
- Go up a little bit.
Okay, here we go.
260
00:09:23,330 --> 00:09:24,963
- Ooh!
- What?
261
00:09:25,032 --> 00:09:26,698
"Lol, don't test
my pullout game.
262
00:09:26,767 --> 00:09:28,166
I got that in any position."
263
00:09:28,235 --> 00:09:29,668
And you said,
"[bleep], I can't wait.
264
00:09:29,736 --> 00:09:32,337
Def want you to [bleep]
me the [bleep] out."
265
00:09:32,406 --> 00:09:34,539
- Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
266
00:09:34,608 --> 00:09:36,875
- I need a green flag.
- Oh, my God.
267
00:09:36,944 --> 00:09:39,544
- I need a green flag.
268
00:09:39,613 --> 00:09:41,646
- "Gonna have to give me
a baby,
269
00:09:41,715 --> 00:09:42,981
the way you talking, lol.
270
00:09:43,050 --> 00:09:44,849
I'ma wear you out
on the first night.
271
00:09:44,918 --> 00:09:46,184
I'll be surprised
if you can keep up."
272
00:09:46,253 --> 00:09:48,920
- Ooh.
- "I'm not pulling out." Wow.
273
00:09:48,989 --> 00:09:50,722
- You said, "Get me pregnant,
274
00:09:50,791 --> 00:09:52,524
we are getting married
for real."
275
00:09:52,593 --> 00:09:55,160
- He said he wouldn't mind
getting married to you.
276
00:09:55,228 --> 00:09:56,494
- I know, right?
277
00:09:56,563 --> 00:09:59,497
- So yeah, sexting aside,
he has expressed to you
278
00:09:59,566 --> 00:10:01,533
that he wants
to be your husband
279
00:10:01,602 --> 00:10:03,268
and potentially have more kids.
280
00:10:03,337 --> 00:10:04,736
- Yes.
281
00:10:04,805 --> 00:10:06,271
- All right, well,
let's figure this out,
282
00:10:06,340 --> 00:10:08,106
'cause you've obviously
been waiting a long time.
283
00:10:08,175 --> 00:10:10,609
- Yeah. 'Cause I'm not
for these games at all.
284
00:10:10,677 --> 00:10:12,477
I need to know.
285
00:10:12,546 --> 00:10:13,878
- All right, so hang tight.
286
00:10:13,947 --> 00:10:15,347
We will hit you up
once we find something.
287
00:10:15,415 --> 00:10:16,848
- Okay. Thank you, guys.
288
00:10:16,917 --> 00:10:18,049
- All right, Kailan.
- Of course.
289
00:10:18,118 --> 00:10:19,951
- Appreciate you.
- Talk soon.
290
00:10:20,020 --> 00:10:21,720
- Man.
- Wow.
291
00:10:21,788 --> 00:10:25,390
- My initial thought is maybe
when they met on the chat room,
292
00:10:25,459 --> 00:10:27,626
Jordan was honest about
how old he was. Right?
293
00:10:27,694 --> 00:10:29,461
- She assumed they both lied
about how old they are.
294
00:10:29,529 --> 00:10:30,862
- Right.
295
00:10:30,931 --> 00:10:32,097
- But there's
a chance he didn't.
296
00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:34,799
- The other possibility
is that Jordan
297
00:10:34,868 --> 00:10:36,901
was a young woman
when they met,
298
00:10:36,970 --> 00:10:39,571
and the reason that they
stopped talking on the phone
299
00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:41,172
was because her voice
300
00:10:41,241 --> 00:10:44,376
didn't change into sounding
like an adult male voice.
301
00:10:44,444 --> 00:10:45,610
- Oh, God.
302
00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,979
- Jordan has something
good things going for him,
303
00:10:48,048 --> 00:10:50,949
but there are obviously
some major red flags.
304
00:10:51,018 --> 00:10:52,851
[dramatic music]
305
00:10:54,921 --> 00:10:56,821
- All right.
Let's see what we can find.
306
00:10:56,890 --> 00:10:58,256
What do you think
we're gonna find?
307
00:10:58,325 --> 00:11:02,127
What are the...
planets telling you?
308
00:11:02,195 --> 00:11:05,030
- It's some bull[bleep].
[both laughing]
309
00:11:05,098 --> 00:11:06,564
- So here's what we've got.
310
00:11:06,633 --> 00:11:09,100
We've got Kailan and Jordan
in their early 20s,
311
00:11:09,169 --> 00:11:11,436
who met when they were 10
or 11 years old.
312
00:11:12,606 --> 00:11:14,272
initially just through
Commun a chat room.tarted
313
00:11:14,341 --> 00:11:16,775
Then it moved to Kik, and then
it moved to text and talk.
314
00:11:16,843 --> 00:11:17,909
They talked
on the phone a lot,
315
00:11:17,978 --> 00:11:20,378
and then stopped
talking on the phone,
316
00:11:20,447 --> 00:11:22,313
but stayed in touch
over the years,
317
00:11:22,382 --> 00:11:25,116
and are now very seriously
looking to meet up
318
00:11:25,185 --> 00:11:26,751
and start a life together.
319
00:11:26,820 --> 00:11:28,386
But, you know,
he won't FaceTime.
320
00:11:28,455 --> 00:11:30,055
- Mm-hmm.
- She's been to Florida twice,
321
00:11:30,123 --> 00:11:31,656
once to Miami,
where he was gonna meet her,
322
00:11:31,725 --> 00:11:33,224
and then once to Orlando,
323
00:11:33,293 --> 00:11:34,759
and he ghosted.
324
00:11:34,828 --> 00:11:36,561
So something's up.
- Right.
325
00:11:36,630 --> 00:11:39,397
- Okay, so let's just
start with some basics.
326
00:11:40,734 --> 00:11:43,101
"Hey, Nev and Kamie.
Thanks for taking my case.
327
00:11:43,170 --> 00:11:44,703
"Here's everything
I know on Jordan.
328
00:11:44,771 --> 00:11:46,337
Pics attached."
329
00:11:46,406 --> 00:11:48,273
His name is Jordan Hammel.
He lives in Orlando, Florida.
330
00:11:48,341 --> 00:11:49,974
Here's his number,
his Snapchat,
331
00:11:50,043 --> 00:11:51,743
"and as far as I know,
he doesn't have any other
332
00:11:51,812 --> 00:11:53,211
"social media,
and that's all I have.
333
00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:54,813
"Let me know
if you have any questions.
334
00:11:54,881 --> 00:11:56,347
I'm so glad you're on this."
335
00:11:56,416 --> 00:11:58,249
All right,
let's start with pictures.
336
00:11:58,318 --> 00:12:00,852
All right, we got
the first one,
337
00:12:00,921 --> 00:12:02,420
in his car
with his seatbelt across.
338
00:12:02,489 --> 00:12:05,423
[tense music]
339
00:12:05,492 --> 00:12:06,825
No hits there.
340
00:12:06,893 --> 00:12:08,460
♪ ♪
341
00:12:08,528 --> 00:12:11,029
Here's another photo.
342
00:12:11,098 --> 00:12:13,064
Okay, no hits there.
343
00:12:13,133 --> 00:12:15,166
And then here's a weird one
344
00:12:15,235 --> 00:12:17,769
that's, like,
been color edited.
345
00:12:17,838 --> 00:12:19,471
- That was at the times,
you know.
346
00:12:19,539 --> 00:12:21,906
- Right. That was a thing.
347
00:12:23,376 --> 00:12:26,044
All right, so nothing
on the images, which is good.
348
00:12:26,113 --> 00:12:30,215
It's not like he's some
model guy or famous vlogger.
349
00:12:30,283 --> 00:12:33,051
- My initial thought is we have
to check Cashapp
350
00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:34,519
and run the number there,
351
00:12:34,588 --> 00:12:36,287
'cause he's had this number
for forever, so...
352
00:12:36,356 --> 00:12:37,655
- That's true.
353
00:12:37,724 --> 00:12:39,557
- He should have something
set up through the number.
354
00:12:39,626 --> 00:12:40,825
- Right. Okay.
355
00:12:40,894 --> 00:12:42,727
All right, so let's take
this phone number,
356
00:12:42,796 --> 00:12:46,231
and let's run it
in our Cashapp.
357
00:12:46,299 --> 00:12:49,801
321-[bleep].
358
00:12:49,870 --> 00:12:52,771
- [gasps]
359
00:12:52,839 --> 00:12:54,272
Tahj.
360
00:12:54,341 --> 00:12:57,275
- Oh, that's the same Snapchat.
[bleep]-shots.
361
00:12:57,344 --> 00:12:59,744
- Snapchat.
- So that's definitely him.
362
00:12:59,813 --> 00:13:01,379
- But who the [bleep] is Tahj?
363
00:13:01,448 --> 00:13:04,549
- Well, I mean, who knows?
But that's--you were right.
364
00:13:04,618 --> 00:13:06,584
- That's a good--yes.
- That's a good first clue.
365
00:13:06,653 --> 00:13:08,219
- Mm-hmm.
366
00:13:08,288 --> 00:13:11,990
- Jordan has a Cashapp with the
same username as the Snapchat,
367
00:13:12,058 --> 00:13:15,727
but his first name on here
appears to be Tahj.
368
00:13:15,796 --> 00:13:17,295
Why isn't it Jordan?
369
00:13:17,364 --> 00:13:20,698
Now that we know he uses
the [bleep]-shots username,
370
00:13:20,767 --> 00:13:24,502
let's do a little bit
of searching on that.
371
00:13:26,973 --> 00:13:28,239
- Oh!
372
00:13:28,308 --> 00:13:30,675
- Stocktwits.
He's a stock guy, right?
373
00:13:30,744 --> 00:13:32,877
- Right. Hmm.
374
00:13:32,946 --> 00:13:35,380
- Okay, so--uh, okay,
but it did show up
375
00:13:35,448 --> 00:13:37,982
as a username
on a stock trading website,
376
00:13:38,051 --> 00:13:39,384
which, again, makes sense.
377
00:13:39,452 --> 00:13:41,386
- This is his favorite
username, obviously.
378
00:13:41,454 --> 00:13:43,254
- Right.
So let's look up the Snapchat
379
00:13:43,323 --> 00:13:44,923
and just see
if there's anything on there.
380
00:13:44,991 --> 00:13:46,491
I mean,
she's obviously done that.
381
00:13:47,627 --> 00:13:49,494
- But what does
the Snapchat look like?
382
00:13:49,563 --> 00:13:51,563
[bleep]-shots.
383
00:13:53,466 --> 00:13:55,633
Hmm. "Wavy."
384
00:13:55,702 --> 00:13:57,435
- No picture.
385
00:13:57,504 --> 00:13:59,170
- Yeah, nothing.
386
00:13:59,239 --> 00:14:00,438
All right, so wait a second.
What else?
387
00:14:00,507 --> 00:14:02,073
Hold on.
Let's go back to the email.
388
00:14:02,142 --> 00:14:03,708
All right, let's do
a phone search then.
389
00:14:03,777 --> 00:14:06,911
It should come up
to Jordan Hammel, right?
390
00:14:06,980 --> 00:14:08,847
All right,
let's do it on Spokeo.
391
00:14:08,915 --> 00:14:11,416
Click "phone search" here.
392
00:14:11,484 --> 00:14:14,619
- Tahj! Hammel.
393
00:14:14,688 --> 00:14:16,888
- Wow. Wow!
394
00:14:16,957 --> 00:14:19,090
- Old address is Florida.
- Orlando.
395
00:14:19,159 --> 00:14:20,658
Okay, so there was a time
396
00:14:20,727 --> 00:14:22,660
when this number
was registered to Orlando.
397
00:14:22,729 --> 00:14:24,596
Okay. Well, this is good.
We're getting somewhere here.
398
00:14:24,664 --> 00:14:26,297
Oh!
We got a Twitter account.
399
00:14:26,366 --> 00:14:27,832
- Okay.
400
00:14:27,901 --> 00:14:29,300
- What is this?
401
00:14:29,636 --> 00:14:32,503
"Slim eye Tahj."
402
00:14:32,572 --> 00:14:36,541
Miami Beach. Interesting.
403
00:14:36,610 --> 00:14:40,311
This is obviously--
what are you seeing?
404
00:14:40,380 --> 00:14:45,550
- What are you not seeing?
- Wha--I don't know.
405
00:14:45,619 --> 00:14:46,885
Oh.
406
00:14:46,953 --> 00:14:48,386
That's a woman.
407
00:14:48,455 --> 00:14:50,889
Right. Okay.
Well, hold on a second.
408
00:14:50,957 --> 00:14:52,924
And then here's--
this is the same person?
409
00:14:52,993 --> 00:14:54,225
- Mm-hmm.
- Okay.
410
00:14:54,294 --> 00:14:55,827
Well, this is good.
We're getting somewhere.
411
00:14:55,896 --> 00:14:57,128
- Right.
- So this is the Facebook
412
00:14:57,197 --> 00:14:59,430
account that comes up
associated to the number.
413
00:14:59,499 --> 00:15:02,300
This can't be a total mistake,
because the Cashapp says Tahj,
414
00:15:02,369 --> 00:15:04,969
and now the phone number's
coming back to a Tahj.
415
00:15:05,038 --> 00:15:08,273
Look, the URL even says
"tahj.hammel."
416
00:15:08,341 --> 00:15:11,743
And there's an Instagram
account, "tahj mahall."
417
00:15:11,811 --> 00:15:12,977
- Rainbow.
418
00:15:13,046 --> 00:15:15,380
- Well, if Tahj is a lesbian...
419
00:15:15,448 --> 00:15:16,881
- Maybe when she was younger,
420
00:15:16,950 --> 00:15:18,750
she was trying
to experiment with...
421
00:15:18,818 --> 00:15:20,151
- Maybe.
- Her sexuality.
422
00:15:20,220 --> 00:15:22,553
- Now, this is all connected
to the phone number.
423
00:15:22,622 --> 00:15:24,055
If he got the phone number
when he was a kid...
424
00:15:24,124 --> 00:15:25,423
- Mm-hmm.
425
00:15:25,492 --> 00:15:26,824
- Which, presumably he did,
obviously...
426
00:15:26,893 --> 00:15:28,259
- Mm-hmm.
427
00:15:28,328 --> 00:15:29,961
- It might come up
under a family member name.
428
00:15:30,030 --> 00:15:33,498
- Could be a family plan.
- Could this be his sister?
429
00:15:33,566 --> 00:15:36,768
- I was literally going to say
they kind of look alike.
430
00:15:36,836 --> 00:15:38,436
They look like
they could be related.
431
00:15:38,505 --> 00:15:39,671
- What do you--right. Yeah.
432
00:15:39,739 --> 00:15:41,172
Maybe Jordan has a sister,
433
00:15:41,241 --> 00:15:43,474
and the phone number
traces back to her.
434
00:15:43,543 --> 00:15:46,411
Her name seems to be connected
to all this.
435
00:15:46,479 --> 00:15:48,980
- I wonder if she follows
a Jordan.
436
00:15:49,049 --> 00:15:50,648
- Mm.
437
00:15:50,717 --> 00:15:52,684
I have to bring it up
on my phone to do this search.
438
00:15:52,752 --> 00:15:55,186
All right, now Following...
439
00:15:55,255 --> 00:15:58,389
and then let's search "Jordan."
440
00:16:00,327 --> 00:16:03,461
Hmm. All right, well we're
on to something here.
441
00:16:03,530 --> 00:16:04,796
There's obviously a connection.
442
00:16:04,864 --> 00:16:06,898
The phone number is connected
to a Cashapp,
443
00:16:06,967 --> 00:16:08,366
and on the Cashapp,
the name is Tahj,
444
00:16:08,435 --> 00:16:09,934
which seemed very strange.
445
00:16:10,003 --> 00:16:11,469
Then, we ran the phone number,
446
00:16:11,538 --> 00:16:14,272
and it came back registered
to Tahj Hammel,
447
00:16:14,341 --> 00:16:15,773
a woman, it would appear.
448
00:16:15,842 --> 00:16:17,275
- Mm-hmm.
449
00:16:17,344 --> 00:16:19,210
- Now, could be a sister.
450
00:16:19,279 --> 00:16:21,612
But the weird thing is
there's no evidence
451
00:16:21,681 --> 00:16:23,114
that a Jordan Hammel
exists anywhere.
452
00:16:23,183 --> 00:16:24,315
- No.
453
00:16:24,384 --> 00:16:25,650
- Like, if that's
your number...
454
00:16:25,719 --> 00:16:26,985
- Mm-hmm.
455
00:16:27,053 --> 00:16:28,052
- Why would your sister
come up?
456
00:16:28,121 --> 00:16:29,420
- Mm-hmm.
457
00:16:29,489 --> 00:16:30,989
- Why wouldn't you be
in the mix somewhere?
458
00:16:31,057 --> 00:16:32,390
- Mm-hmm. Right.
- I don't know.
459
00:16:32,459 --> 00:16:34,158
- Well, Kailan said it herself:
when she first spoke
460
00:16:34,227 --> 00:16:35,660
to Jordan on the phone,
that she thought
461
00:16:35,729 --> 00:16:37,061
she could have been
talking to a girl.
462
00:16:37,130 --> 00:16:38,363
- Let's not ignore
the good news,
463
00:16:38,431 --> 00:16:39,697
which is that
the name Hammel...
464
00:16:39,766 --> 00:16:40,898
- Mm-hmm.
465
00:16:40,967 --> 00:16:42,367
- Is associated with
the number.
466
00:16:42,435 --> 00:16:43,501
- Mm-hmm.
467
00:16:43,570 --> 00:16:45,570
- But the name Tahj
is something
468
00:16:45,638 --> 00:16:48,706
that Jordan
hasn't told Kailan about.
469
00:16:48,775 --> 00:16:52,977
So there's clearly been
some lying happening here,
470
00:16:53,046 --> 00:16:54,445
and if there's one lie,
471
00:16:54,514 --> 00:16:56,080
who knows how many lies
there could be?
472
00:16:56,149 --> 00:16:58,416
[dramatic music]
473
00:16:59,919 --> 00:17:02,520
[dark music]
474
00:17:02,589 --> 00:17:05,023
- All right. Day two.
475
00:17:05,091 --> 00:17:06,424
- Cheers.
476
00:17:06,493 --> 00:17:09,427
- Cashapp was a great idea,
which gave us our first clue.
477
00:17:09,496 --> 00:17:10,561
- Tahj.
- Tahj.
478
00:17:10,630 --> 00:17:11,929
Which we then saw again
479
00:17:11,998 --> 00:17:13,798
with the phone number
reverse search.
480
00:17:13,867 --> 00:17:16,801
Hammel does seem to be
consistently the last name
481
00:17:16,870 --> 00:17:19,871
associated
with Jordan/Tahj Hammel.
482
00:17:19,939 --> 00:17:23,041
But the only connected
social media
483
00:17:23,109 --> 00:17:24,709
appears to be for a woman.
484
00:17:24,778 --> 00:17:26,110
- Tahj Hammel.
485
00:17:26,179 --> 00:17:27,979
- I think we should just start
by calling Kailan,
486
00:17:28,048 --> 00:17:29,981
going through everything
that we discovered yesterday.
487
00:17:30,050 --> 00:17:32,583
[phone line trilling]
488
00:17:32,652 --> 00:17:34,152
Hello.
489
00:17:34,220 --> 00:17:35,987
- Hey. Good morning. It's Nev.
490
00:17:36,056 --> 00:17:37,855
- And Kamie.
- And Kamie.
491
00:17:37,924 --> 00:17:39,991
We've got some things
we want to talk about.
492
00:17:40,060 --> 00:17:41,826
So give us a minute,
and we'll be ready in the Zoom.
493
00:17:43,229 --> 00:17:45,663
- See you in a minute.
- See you. Are you ready?
494
00:17:45,732 --> 00:17:47,565
Let's talk to Kailan.
495
00:17:47,634 --> 00:17:50,001
♪ Go, Biggie. Go, Biggie ♪
496
00:17:50,070 --> 00:17:52,737
Strut, strut,
strut, strut, strut.
497
00:17:52,806 --> 00:17:54,272
Biggie has a nice little walk.
498
00:17:56,843 --> 00:17:59,077
- All right. We are in.
499
00:17:59,145 --> 00:18:03,448
Kailan is in.
Let's bring her into the Zoom.
500
00:18:05,952 --> 00:18:07,018
- I see you
with the white tees.
501
00:18:07,087 --> 00:18:08,386
- Hey, oh.
- The white tees.
502
00:18:08,455 --> 00:18:09,787
- Yeah!
- Okay.
503
00:18:09,856 --> 00:18:11,089
- You see this coordination?
504
00:18:11,157 --> 00:18:12,957
- We don't even-we don't even
plan this stuff.
505
00:18:13,026 --> 00:18:14,792
It just happens.
- I know. How are you?
506
00:18:14,861 --> 00:18:16,394
- What's up? Yeah, hey, hey.
507
00:18:16,463 --> 00:18:17,895
- I am good.
508
00:18:17,964 --> 00:18:19,664
- All right, so what we want
to do is walk you through
509
00:18:19,732 --> 00:18:21,032
what we found.
510
00:18:21,101 --> 00:18:22,567
You might even have
some answers to questions
511
00:18:22,635 --> 00:18:23,634
that we now have.
512
00:18:23,703 --> 00:18:25,803
So let's dive in.
513
00:18:25,872 --> 00:18:28,840
All right, so the first thing
we did was Google image search
514
00:18:28,908 --> 00:18:30,475
for all the pictures
you sent us,
515
00:18:30,543 --> 00:18:34,145
and none of them came back
with any hits, which is good.
516
00:18:34,214 --> 00:18:35,913
If you had pictures of somebody
517
00:18:35,982 --> 00:18:38,416
who was a social media
influencer or a model,
518
00:18:38,485 --> 00:18:40,518
there's a good chance
those pictures might come back
519
00:18:40,587 --> 00:18:44,021
to their Instagram
or a blog or something.
520
00:18:44,090 --> 00:18:45,156
- Okay.
- So that was good.
521
00:18:45,225 --> 00:18:47,191
So then we did
a Google search,
522
00:18:47,260 --> 00:18:50,161
because you had given us
Jordan's Snapchat,
523
00:18:50,230 --> 00:18:51,562
[bleep]-shots.
524
00:18:51,631 --> 00:18:52,964
- Yeah.
525
00:18:53,032 --> 00:18:54,832
- So we just thought, like,
okay, let's see
526
00:18:54,901 --> 00:18:58,202
if that's a username that maybe
he uses on other platforms.
527
00:18:58,271 --> 00:19:00,138
And the first thing that
came up was this hit
528
00:19:00,206 --> 00:19:03,307
on a website called
Stocktwits, which made sense,
529
00:19:03,376 --> 00:19:05,376
'cause you had said
he was into stocks, right?
530
00:19:05,445 --> 00:19:06,844
So we were just thinking,
okay,
531
00:19:06,913 --> 00:19:08,379
[bleep]-shots is a username.
532
00:19:08,448 --> 00:19:09,447
- Mm-hmm.
533
00:19:09,516 --> 00:19:11,048
- So then, Kamie had
a great idea,
534
00:19:11,117 --> 00:19:13,151
which was to check Cashapp.
535
00:19:13,219 --> 00:19:14,552
- Because you know,
to have Cashapp,
536
00:19:14,621 --> 00:19:16,521
you have to register it
with your phone number.
537
00:19:16,589 --> 00:19:18,156
- Right.
538
00:19:18,224 --> 00:19:21,492
- So we did that, and then,
when we put in the number,
539
00:19:21,561 --> 00:19:24,529
an account comes up:
[bleep]-shots.
540
00:19:24,597 --> 00:19:26,764
The fact that the username
[bleep]-shots--
541
00:19:26,833 --> 00:19:28,366
and that is Jordan's
username--
542
00:19:28,434 --> 00:19:30,334
means that, like,
that is definitely him.
543
00:19:30,403 --> 00:19:31,602
- Mm-hmm. Right.
544
00:19:31,671 --> 00:19:35,406
- But weirdly, the name
on the account is Tahj.
545
00:19:35,475 --> 00:19:38,376
Now, I'm gonna assume you've
never heard that name before.
546
00:19:38,444 --> 00:19:40,011
- No. I haven't.
547
00:19:40,079 --> 00:19:42,413
- That's not, like, a nickname
or a middle name or...
548
00:19:42,482 --> 00:19:43,981
- No.
549
00:19:44,050 --> 00:19:46,017
- Okay. Well, we thought
it was interesting.
550
00:19:46,085 --> 00:19:49,220
So that was our first,
like, meaningful clue.
551
00:19:49,289 --> 00:19:50,988
Now that we see
that phone number's associated
552
00:19:51,057 --> 00:19:52,456
with someone named Tahj,
553
00:19:52,525 --> 00:19:55,126
we thought, "Let's run
the phone number on,
554
00:19:55,195 --> 00:19:57,261
like, a website
to do background search,"
555
00:19:57,330 --> 00:19:59,497
and the number came back
to someone
556
00:19:59,566 --> 00:20:03,034
named Tahj Hammel in Florida.
557
00:20:03,102 --> 00:20:04,435
And you got the last name,
558
00:20:04,504 --> 00:20:07,004
and now we've got the name
Tahj popping back up,
559
00:20:07,073 --> 00:20:11,242
which is crazy, because
the Cashapp name is Tahj.
560
00:20:11,311 --> 00:20:13,978
- Well, who the hell is Tahj?
- Right.
561
00:20:14,047 --> 00:20:17,748
So on that same website,
it has here
562
00:20:17,817 --> 00:20:20,518
some possible connected
social media accounts,
563
00:20:20,587 --> 00:20:22,420
and the first one
is a Facebook,
564
00:20:22,488 --> 00:20:26,691
and it's for someone whose name
on here is Tahj Mahal.
565
00:20:26,759 --> 00:20:30,761
But if you look up here,
the URL, it's Tahj Hammel.
566
00:20:30,830 --> 00:20:35,166
So it would appear that this
girl's name is Tahj Hammel.
567
00:20:35,235 --> 00:20:38,069
Now, we can't really see
a lot on this page.
568
00:20:38,137 --> 00:20:40,805
But you don't know
this girl, do you?
569
00:20:40,873 --> 00:20:42,340
- No.
570
00:20:42,408 --> 00:20:44,108
- 'Cause it says she's
from Miami, Florida,
571
00:20:44,177 --> 00:20:46,744
which also, you know, fits.
572
00:20:46,813 --> 00:20:49,113
- Ooh, if that's her...
[laughs]
573
00:20:49,182 --> 00:20:51,215
- Well, and you said it--
yesterday--
574
00:20:51,284 --> 00:20:54,318
sounded like Jordan's voice
was kind of girly.
575
00:20:54,387 --> 00:20:55,720
So this is where
we started to think, okay,
576
00:20:55,788 --> 00:20:58,990
well maybe there is a chance
that Jordan is a woman.
577
00:21:01,261 --> 00:21:05,563
- Everything seems to be
pointing back to Tahj,
578
00:21:05,632 --> 00:21:08,899
and nothing seems to be
pointing to Jordan.
579
00:21:08,968 --> 00:21:10,167
- Right.
580
00:21:10,236 --> 00:21:12,637
- ♪ When I was younger ♪
581
00:21:12,705 --> 00:21:15,306
♪ You knew me better ♪
582
00:21:15,375 --> 00:21:17,341
- It better not be no girl.
583
00:21:17,410 --> 00:21:22,046
I just--that's not something
I can handle.
584
00:21:22,115 --> 00:21:24,482
I'm a open book.
I was always open.
585
00:21:24,550 --> 00:21:27,018
So for you to not take
none of those chances
586
00:21:27,086 --> 00:21:28,919
just to straight up tell me,
587
00:21:28,988 --> 00:21:31,622
that's disrespectful
and scary.
588
00:21:31,691 --> 00:21:34,525
- I think it would be one thing
if this is Tahj,
589
00:21:34,594 --> 00:21:38,296
and maybe they were
just trying to see
590
00:21:38,364 --> 00:21:40,798
kind of what they want
in a romantic partner
591
00:21:40,867 --> 00:21:42,633
and started exploring.
592
00:21:42,702 --> 00:21:45,169
But the accepting photos
from you
593
00:21:45,238 --> 00:21:48,306
and having sexual
conversations with you
594
00:21:48,374 --> 00:21:53,778
is where I think that things
cross a major, major line.
595
00:21:53,846 --> 00:21:55,846
- I'm getting a headache.
596
00:21:55,915 --> 00:21:58,449
♪ ♪
597
00:21:58,518 --> 00:22:01,052
- ♪ The devil spoke
so I leaned a little closer ♪
598
00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:03,354
- Oh, my goodness.
599
00:22:03,423 --> 00:22:05,189
'Cause over the years,
though--
600
00:22:05,258 --> 00:22:08,025
like, 12 years, really?
601
00:22:08,094 --> 00:22:09,760
Really?
602
00:22:09,829 --> 00:22:13,798
- ♪ Because a faithful mind
makes ♪
603
00:22:13,866 --> 00:22:15,366
- It's crazy.
- ♪ A very foolish heart ♪
604
00:22:15,435 --> 00:22:17,368
♪ That loses its own way ♪
605
00:22:17,437 --> 00:22:21,105
- Normally, we would reach out
now, at this point, to Jordan.
606
00:22:21,174 --> 00:22:22,840
You could also text Jordan.
607
00:22:22,909 --> 00:22:24,709
Either way,
we've got to make contact
608
00:22:24,777 --> 00:22:26,944
and let Jordan know
that this is an opportunity
609
00:22:27,013 --> 00:22:30,081
right now for him
to finally tell the truth.
610
00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:31,449
- Would you guys
be able to do it?
611
00:22:31,517 --> 00:22:33,484
'Cause I might snap if I do it.
612
00:22:33,553 --> 00:22:35,086
- Sure.
613
00:22:35,154 --> 00:22:37,355
All right, here we go.
It's calling.
614
00:22:37,423 --> 00:22:40,024
[phone line trilling]
615
00:22:40,093 --> 00:22:43,027
[dramatic music]
616
00:22:43,930 --> 00:22:48,466
- Hey, is this--I'm looking
for Jordan, or perhaps Tahj?
617
00:22:50,570 --> 00:22:52,703
- My name is Nev.
618
00:22:52,772 --> 00:22:55,373
I'm from the TV show "Catfish,"
619
00:22:55,441 --> 00:22:58,642
and I'm actually
filming an episode now
620
00:22:58,711 --> 00:23:01,545
with a woman named Kailan,
621
00:23:01,614 --> 00:23:04,048
who's been talking
to a friend online
622
00:23:04,117 --> 00:23:05,583
for a long time named Jordan,
623
00:23:05,651 --> 00:23:09,153
and she gave us this number
to get in touch with him.
624
00:23:09,222 --> 00:23:11,455
[phone line cuts off,
tone sounds]
625
00:23:11,524 --> 00:23:14,392
- [bleep]. I knew it.
I knew it.
626
00:23:14,460 --> 00:23:17,194
- They hung up?
- They hung up. That was crazy.
627
00:23:17,263 --> 00:23:18,729
It definitely sounded
like a girl, right?
628
00:23:18,798 --> 00:23:20,097
- That was Tahj.
629
00:23:20,166 --> 00:23:23,667
- Yo...
630
00:23:23,736 --> 00:23:26,237
- So it doesn't totally answer
our question, but--
631
00:23:26,305 --> 00:23:28,506
- The hanging up answers
the question.
632
00:23:28,574 --> 00:23:31,409
- That's crazy!
What the [bleep]?
633
00:23:31,477 --> 00:23:32,910
- Yeah, that's not a good sign.
634
00:23:32,979 --> 00:23:35,179
So I think now we have to
follow up with a text message.
635
00:23:35,248 --> 00:23:36,313
"Hey, it's Nev again.
636
00:23:36,382 --> 00:23:37,782
"Didn't mean to catch you
off guard.
637
00:23:37,850 --> 00:23:39,683
"Was just trying to connect.
We're hoping to help Kailan
638
00:23:39,752 --> 00:23:41,619
"and Jordan finally meet up
after all these years,
639
00:23:41,687 --> 00:23:43,421
"and we understand there are
some things about you
640
00:23:43,489 --> 00:23:45,089
"Kailan might not know,
but want to help give you
641
00:23:45,158 --> 00:23:46,524
an opportunity
to explain them."
642
00:23:46,592 --> 00:23:48,025
- That's a subtle--
- Yeah.
643
00:23:48,094 --> 00:23:49,527
That's gentle.
- Mm-hmm.
644
00:23:49,595 --> 00:23:51,328
- I'll just end it with,
"Please take this all in,
645
00:23:51,397 --> 00:23:52,997
and we can talk in an hour."
646
00:23:53,065 --> 00:23:54,732
Okay, I'm gonna send this.
647
00:23:54,801 --> 00:23:56,634
- Oh, wow.
648
00:23:56,702 --> 00:23:59,937
I just have a headache.
649
00:24:00,006 --> 00:24:01,639
Got butterflies.
650
00:24:02,608 --> 00:24:05,543
It just is getting scary now.
651
00:24:05,611 --> 00:24:07,945
12 years.
652
00:24:08,014 --> 00:24:09,213
- Yeah. I mean--
653
00:24:09,282 --> 00:24:11,182
- That's some crazy [bleep].
654
00:24:11,250 --> 00:24:12,583
- Well, the text is delivered.
655
00:24:12,652 --> 00:24:14,051
Feel like we should
give him a few minutes
656
00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:15,586
before we follow up.
657
00:24:15,655 --> 00:24:17,588
So maybe we take
a little break,
658
00:24:17,657 --> 00:24:19,390
think about all that,
figure out questions
659
00:24:19,459 --> 00:24:22,326
you might want to ask,
if and when we do get
660
00:24:22,395 --> 00:24:25,729
Jordan/Tahj
to respond to our text.
661
00:24:25,798 --> 00:24:28,499
- And try not to text him
and go off.
662
00:24:28,568 --> 00:24:30,201
- Okay.
663
00:24:30,269 --> 00:24:33,337
- All right. See you soon.
664
00:24:33,406 --> 00:24:36,106
I mean, definitely
poked the beehive.
665
00:24:36,175 --> 00:24:38,175
- We unearthed some [bleep].
- Yeah.
666
00:24:38,244 --> 00:24:39,710
- For sure.
- Something's going on here.
667
00:24:39,779 --> 00:24:41,345
- Yeah.
668
00:24:41,414 --> 00:24:43,881
- And it is not as simple
as Jordan's a little shy.
669
00:24:43,950 --> 00:24:45,416
- No.
670
00:24:45,485 --> 00:24:47,651
I just feel bad for Kailan.
She's not happy.
671
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,787
And if Tahj comes
on the screen,
672
00:24:49,856 --> 00:24:51,455
we're gonna have
some serious problems.
673
00:24:52,625 --> 00:24:53,791
- Hey,
674
00:24:53,860 --> 00:24:56,227
so I just got off
the phone with Nev and Kamie.
675
00:24:56,295 --> 00:24:57,728
They just broke the news to me
676
00:24:57,797 --> 00:25:03,167
that Jordan might not be
who he say he is.
677
00:25:03,236 --> 00:25:06,136
That is a scary thought,
because after 12 years,
678
00:25:06,205 --> 00:25:08,005
you would think
you know a person.
679
00:25:08,074 --> 00:25:10,708
You would think
there was no lie.
680
00:25:10,776 --> 00:25:14,411
You would just think
that everything is real.
681
00:25:15,948 --> 00:25:19,583
I'm hurt. I'm definitely hurt.
682
00:25:21,687 --> 00:25:22,820
- Okay.
683
00:25:22,889 --> 00:25:25,155
We've given them an hour.
Are you ready?
684
00:25:25,224 --> 00:25:28,392
- Let's see if we got
a response.
685
00:25:28,461 --> 00:25:31,028
I doubt we did.
Doesn't look like it. No.
686
00:25:31,097 --> 00:25:32,263
So all right.
687
00:25:32,331 --> 00:25:38,235
Let's get our girl
back in Zoom.
688
00:25:38,304 --> 00:25:42,706
[lively music]
689
00:25:42,775 --> 00:25:45,276
Hey.
- Hey.
690
00:25:45,344 --> 00:25:46,977
- All right, have you--
you haven't heard
691
00:25:47,046 --> 00:25:49,146
anything from Jordan, right?
692
00:25:49,215 --> 00:25:50,447
- Nothing. Nothing.
693
00:25:50,516 --> 00:25:52,316
- Haven't responded
to our text yet, either,
694
00:25:52,385 --> 00:25:54,818
and that's now
been over an hour.
695
00:25:54,887 --> 00:25:56,754
We need to follow up.
696
00:25:56,822 --> 00:25:58,589
- Re-strategize.
- Right. Follow up,
697
00:25:58,658 --> 00:26:01,191
but maybe with a little bit
of a different strategy now,
698
00:26:01,260 --> 00:26:03,694
because the sort
of straightforward, innocent,
699
00:26:03,763 --> 00:26:05,496
"Hey, we want to help you guys
meet up" thing
700
00:26:05,565 --> 00:26:07,998
doesn't seem to be
inspiring them.
701
00:26:08,067 --> 00:26:10,634
- You could send a video
on Snapchat.
702
00:26:10,703 --> 00:26:12,036
- Right.
We could also send a video.
703
00:26:12,104 --> 00:26:13,203
- 'Cause maybe they think
it's fake.
704
00:26:13,272 --> 00:26:14,438
- That has happened,
705
00:26:14,507 --> 00:26:16,206
where people thought
I was lying,
706
00:26:16,275 --> 00:26:18,175
and I'm not actually me.
707
00:26:18,244 --> 00:26:20,344
Let's do a Snapchat video.
708
00:26:23,215 --> 00:26:24,982
Hey, Jordan,
709
00:26:25,051 --> 00:26:28,686
it's Nev and Kamie, and we're,
like we said earlier,
710
00:26:28,754 --> 00:26:31,522
filming an episode
of "Catfish" right now.
711
00:26:31,591 --> 00:26:34,825
And we are trying
to connect you with Kailan.
712
00:26:34,894 --> 00:26:37,328
We know you guys have been
friends for a long time
713
00:26:37,396 --> 00:26:39,730
and you both a lot
to each other,
714
00:26:39,799 --> 00:26:41,632
so we just thought this
would be a great opportunity
715
00:26:41,701 --> 00:26:45,502
to finally let you guys talk
and see each other.
716
00:26:45,571 --> 00:26:48,539
And she's here now also
and wants to say a few things.
717
00:26:50,009 --> 00:26:52,409
- Hey, Jordan.
718
00:26:52,478 --> 00:26:54,745
We just trying to get
in contact with you.
719
00:26:54,814 --> 00:26:56,547
I think it's time for us
to actually meet
720
00:26:56,616 --> 00:26:59,950
and see what's been going on.
721
00:27:00,019 --> 00:27:01,452
That's all I got to say.
722
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,387
- Great.
Actually, it ended right there.
723
00:27:03,456 --> 00:27:04,822
Okay, so I think
that was pretty good...
724
00:27:04,890 --> 00:27:05,889
- Yeah. I think so.
725
00:27:05,958 --> 00:27:07,224
- And felt very genuine
and honest.
726
00:27:07,293 --> 00:27:08,425
- Yeah.
727
00:27:08,494 --> 00:27:09,893
- All right,
I'm gonna press send.
728
00:27:09,962 --> 00:27:12,029
Is that cool? All right.
729
00:27:12,098 --> 00:27:13,430
- Sent. Delivered.
730
00:27:13,499 --> 00:27:14,832
- Oh, it says
sent and delivered.
731
00:27:14,900 --> 00:27:16,233
- Okay.
732
00:27:16,302 --> 00:27:18,035
- Whatever it is they have
to reveal or tell you,
733
00:27:18,104 --> 00:27:19,603
it's pretty obvious
734
00:27:19,672 --> 00:27:22,740
that this is the best chance
they're gonna get to do that.
735
00:27:22,808 --> 00:27:25,009
If, at this point, they still
can't recognize that,
736
00:27:25,077 --> 00:27:26,310
at the very least,
737
00:27:26,379 --> 00:27:28,445
they owe it to you
to be honest with you,
738
00:27:28,514 --> 00:27:30,214
even if it means
doing something that, you know,
739
00:27:30,282 --> 00:27:32,149
will negatively affect them,
740
00:27:32,218 --> 00:27:34,451
then you really have to
question how much they care
741
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,487
about your feelings.
742
00:27:36,555 --> 00:27:39,289
Oh, it says opened.
- Ooh!
743
00:27:39,358 --> 00:27:40,424
- So she's watching
it right now--
744
00:27:40,493 --> 00:27:42,760
he's watching it right now.
745
00:27:42,828 --> 00:27:45,295
- New chat!
- Oh. We got a chat.
746
00:27:45,364 --> 00:27:47,131
- [laughs excitedly]
- All right.
747
00:27:47,199 --> 00:27:49,066
Okay. New chat. Ready?
748
00:27:49,135 --> 00:27:50,367
- Nope.
749
00:27:52,304 --> 00:27:53,704
- What?
750
00:27:53,773 --> 00:27:54,972
Is that what he calls you?
"Kay"?
751
00:27:55,041 --> 00:27:57,141
- Yeah.
- No problem, Kay. I'll do it.
752
00:27:57,209 --> 00:28:00,310
So he's responding sort of
to you in the video.
753
00:28:00,379 --> 00:28:02,413
Which is good, right?
754
00:28:02,481 --> 00:28:05,249
Just so casual. Okay, great.
755
00:28:05,317 --> 00:28:09,319
"We are all
in a Zoom right now."
756
00:28:09,388 --> 00:28:12,556
- Oh, my God. It's getting hot.
757
00:28:12,625 --> 00:28:14,925
- "I'll text you the link."
758
00:28:14,994 --> 00:28:16,326
- Y'all don't understand.
759
00:28:16,395 --> 00:28:19,096
Like...
my heart is in my stomach,
760
00:28:19,165 --> 00:28:21,699
and is, like, beating.
Is that a butterfly?
761
00:28:21,767 --> 00:28:25,335
- All right, so now I've sent
the Zoom link on both Snapchat
762
00:28:25,404 --> 00:28:27,104
and the text message.
763
00:28:27,173 --> 00:28:28,839
- Is it gonna be Tahj?
764
00:28:28,908 --> 00:28:31,809
- Well, it could also
just be someone totally random.
765
00:28:31,877 --> 00:28:33,110
- Right.
766
00:28:33,179 --> 00:28:38,148
- At any moment, Jordan might
just join the Zoom.
767
00:28:38,217 --> 00:28:41,485
♪ ♪
768
00:28:41,554 --> 00:28:42,986
[Zoom notification dings]
Oh!
769
00:28:43,055 --> 00:28:46,023
- Oh, [bleep].
770
00:28:46,092 --> 00:28:47,257
- Hello. Who's there?
771
00:28:47,326 --> 00:28:49,460
[intense music]
772
00:28:52,498 --> 00:28:56,767
oment, Jordan might
just join the Zoom.
773
00:28:56,836 --> 00:28:59,036
[tense music]
774
00:28:59,105 --> 00:29:01,071
[Zoom notification dings]
Oh!
775
00:29:01,140 --> 00:29:03,140
- Oh, [bleep].
776
00:29:04,610 --> 00:29:06,577
- Hello. Who's there?
777
00:29:06,645 --> 00:29:10,013
[dramatic music]
778
00:29:10,082 --> 00:29:11,548
Oh.
779
00:29:11,617 --> 00:29:14,818
- Hi.
- Who is this guy?
780
00:29:14,887 --> 00:29:17,755
- Oh, [bleep].
- What the hell?
781
00:29:17,823 --> 00:29:20,190
You gotta be kidding me.
782
00:29:20,259 --> 00:29:22,259
Just casually sits down.
This is--wait.
783
00:29:22,328 --> 00:29:24,495
Just hold on a second.
It can't be this simple.
784
00:29:24,563 --> 00:29:25,729
- No, no, no, no, no.
785
00:29:25,798 --> 00:29:26,997
- Oh, [bleep].
786
00:29:27,066 --> 00:29:30,000
- Okay, Jordan?
That's you, right?
787
00:29:30,069 --> 00:29:33,036
- It's me. Completely me.
788
00:29:33,105 --> 00:29:35,906
- So hello.
- Nice to meet you guys.
789
00:29:35,975 --> 00:29:39,576
- Nice to meet you.
- Hello.
790
00:29:39,645 --> 00:29:41,678
- So can you explain why...
791
00:29:41,747 --> 00:29:45,048
why it took this long
to meet up
792
00:29:45,117 --> 00:29:46,984
and why we are even involved,
793
00:29:47,052 --> 00:29:50,020
when it doesn't seem
that we need to be?
794
00:29:50,089 --> 00:29:53,390
- Honestly, I would say,
over the last--what,
795
00:29:53,459 --> 00:29:56,693
over the last decade,
796
00:29:56,762 --> 00:29:58,128
a lot of growth...
797
00:29:58,197 --> 00:30:00,464
a lot of growth
between me and Kay,
798
00:30:00,533 --> 00:30:03,333
and I would say that I never
really had enough time.
799
00:30:03,402 --> 00:30:07,104
You know, I've been busy
focusing on myself
800
00:30:07,173 --> 00:30:09,306
in regards to investments
and stocks.
801
00:30:09,375 --> 00:30:12,543
So it's really my goal to,
like, make sure
802
00:30:12,611 --> 00:30:14,311
that I have financial freedom,
803
00:30:14,380 --> 00:30:17,915
and I never had time
to balance a relationship
804
00:30:17,983 --> 00:30:20,484
and then try to go
after my goals as well.
805
00:30:20,553 --> 00:30:23,320
It just didn't mix up
as well together.
806
00:30:23,389 --> 00:30:26,657
- Okay. Uh...
807
00:30:26,725 --> 00:30:27,724
- So you're saying
we didn't link
808
00:30:27,793 --> 00:30:29,092
because of your job, right?
809
00:30:29,161 --> 00:30:31,195
- That would be correct.
Due to, you know,
810
00:30:31,263 --> 00:30:34,231
trying to get to the next step
in finances, for sure.
811
00:30:34,300 --> 00:30:35,699
- Okay.
812
00:30:35,768 --> 00:30:37,768
I'm trying to get to the next
step in finances as well.
813
00:30:37,837 --> 00:30:40,103
But I'm still sitting here
trying to make time for you.
814
00:30:40,172 --> 00:30:41,405
So...
815
00:30:41,473 --> 00:30:43,941
- I would say, in regards to,
like, pursuing things,
816
00:30:44,009 --> 00:30:46,877
I feel like, you know,
we've only gone so far,
817
00:30:46,946 --> 00:30:49,112
mainly because
we haven't seen each other.
818
00:30:49,181 --> 00:30:51,415
- Well, but she's tried to,
right?
819
00:30:51,483 --> 00:30:53,116
- Um...
820
00:30:53,185 --> 00:30:56,954
yes, Kailan has tried.
But I've been very busy.
821
00:30:57,022 --> 00:30:58,288
I would say,
for those reasons,
822
00:30:58,357 --> 00:31:01,491
you know, it's unmotivating,
I should say.
823
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,393
- I don't know.
You seem pretty motivated
824
00:31:03,462 --> 00:31:06,897
in your text messages to Kailan
about being with her.
825
00:31:06,966 --> 00:31:08,098
- Giving her some [bleep].
826
00:31:08,167 --> 00:31:10,467
- Having sex with her.
827
00:31:10,536 --> 00:31:13,570
You can't meet up with her
for an afternoon in Orlando
828
00:31:13,639 --> 00:31:15,305
or get on a FaceTime call?
829
00:31:15,374 --> 00:31:19,643
- So the best way to put it is
literally, once again,
830
00:31:19,712 --> 00:31:21,211
I've been very busy.
831
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,614
In regards to meeting up,
it was completely
832
00:31:23,682 --> 00:31:26,316
out of the question,
'cause I work six days a week,
833
00:31:26,385 --> 00:31:28,418
so there's no way for me
to just go ahead
834
00:31:28,487 --> 00:31:30,554
and take a flight
to wherever she is.
835
00:31:30,623 --> 00:31:33,657
- I know, but you said--when
she came to Orlando,
836
00:31:33,726 --> 00:31:35,158
you said, "We'll meet up."
837
00:31:35,227 --> 00:31:38,161
- Well, are you in Orlando
is the question.
838
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:40,931
- So currently,
I'm in Orlando right now. Yes.
839
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,799
I just feel like we never--
840
00:31:42,868 --> 00:31:44,368
we never really planned it out.
841
00:31:44,436 --> 00:31:48,038
- We did plan it.
- Okay. So we did plan it.
842
00:31:48,107 --> 00:31:50,107
But once again,
though, like, me being busy,
843
00:31:50,175 --> 00:31:52,843
I feel like it just wasn't
able to work out.
844
00:31:52,912 --> 00:31:56,847
- So you can't give me, like,
five minutes of your time?
845
00:31:56,916 --> 00:31:58,982
Even with, like,
a quick FaceTime call?
846
00:31:59,051 --> 00:32:00,350
I'm pretty sure if you work
847
00:32:00,419 --> 00:32:03,420
six days a week,
you have a day off.
848
00:32:03,489 --> 00:32:04,955
- Sometimes I don't feel like
I have enough time
849
00:32:05,024 --> 00:32:06,690
for my own family.
850
00:32:06,759 --> 00:32:08,725
So it's not just you.
It's not.
851
00:32:08,794 --> 00:32:11,962
- Wait, so--and you--
- Even though--sorry, Nev.
852
00:32:12,031 --> 00:32:16,099
Even though
I work 12 hours a day,
853
00:32:16,168 --> 00:32:18,802
seven days a week
on some Sundays,
854
00:32:18,871 --> 00:32:21,138
with three kids,
855
00:32:21,206 --> 00:32:24,041
you still don't have
one second for me?
856
00:32:24,109 --> 00:32:26,810
- I mean, when you put it like
that,
857
00:32:26,879 --> 00:32:29,513
it sounds--it sounds crazy.
858
00:32:29,581 --> 00:32:32,883
But overall,
for my work schedule,
859
00:32:32,952 --> 00:32:35,018
it just doesn't work out.
860
00:32:35,087 --> 00:32:36,219
- I'm curious about
your work schedule.
861
00:32:36,288 --> 00:32:38,021
How--what is your job?
862
00:32:38,090 --> 00:32:40,891
- So I'm currently
a salesman for solar.
863
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,793
- So that's, like,
your day job.
864
00:32:42,861 --> 00:32:44,061
- Yes.
865
00:32:44,129 --> 00:32:46,997
And the other job
would be me going ahead
866
00:32:47,066 --> 00:32:48,832
to do my investments.
867
00:32:48,901 --> 00:32:51,501
So it takes a lot of time.
868
00:32:51,570 --> 00:32:54,137
I just really--I didn't
have time to go ahead
869
00:32:54,206 --> 00:32:55,605
and just take a vacation.
870
00:32:55,674 --> 00:32:57,975
And I'm not trying to, like,
lead you on or anything.
871
00:32:58,043 --> 00:33:00,243
Every time we talk,
it's always a spark.
872
00:33:00,312 --> 00:33:03,914
So I feel like that's one
thing that I hold on to,
873
00:33:03,983 --> 00:33:05,682
and I don't want
to let that go.
874
00:33:05,751 --> 00:33:07,050
- Right.
875
00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:09,252
But we do have
some sort of simple questions
876
00:33:09,321 --> 00:33:10,887
that we need to get answered,
877
00:33:10,956 --> 00:33:13,357
because we were very confused
by some things that we found.
878
00:33:13,425 --> 00:33:16,293
So when we looked up
your phone number,
879
00:33:16,362 --> 00:33:18,996
we found it was connected
to a girl named Tahj Hammel.
880
00:33:19,064 --> 00:33:20,664
Do you know who that is?
881
00:33:20,733 --> 00:33:22,366
- No.
882
00:33:22,434 --> 00:33:24,801
- But I'm a little confused.
Because that's not your name.
883
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:26,436
- It is.
- It is your name.
884
00:33:26,505 --> 00:33:28,071
- Yeah. It is.
885
00:33:28,140 --> 00:33:30,374
- So-so, is Jordan
also your name?
886
00:33:30,442 --> 00:33:31,641
- No. No.
887
00:33:31,710 --> 00:33:34,644
So Jordan is my nickname.
People who are--like,
888
00:33:34,713 --> 00:33:36,913
know me personally,
you'll call me Tahj,
889
00:33:36,982 --> 00:33:39,016
'cause you know me
on that basis.
890
00:33:39,084 --> 00:33:40,617
But other than that, though,
if you know me
891
00:33:40,686 --> 00:33:43,253
in the virtual world,
you most likely call me Jordan.
892
00:33:43,322 --> 00:33:44,354
- But wouldn't you consider
893
00:33:44,423 --> 00:33:46,690
your connection/friendship
with Kay
894
00:33:46,759 --> 00:33:51,028
to be close enough to tell her
your, you know, real name?
895
00:33:51,096 --> 00:33:52,596
- There was no need
to change anything,
896
00:33:52,664 --> 00:33:54,231
'cause I feel like
certain relationships,
897
00:33:54,299 --> 00:33:56,166
they don't get
beyond the internet.
898
00:33:56,235 --> 00:33:59,136
So it's like, why tell you
my personal information
899
00:33:59,204 --> 00:34:02,939
if we're not even gonna carry
along to that further extent?
900
00:34:03,008 --> 00:34:05,976
- Like 12 years, for example?
901
00:34:06,045 --> 00:34:07,644
Yeah.
902
00:34:07,713 --> 00:34:11,415
- So you were going to let me
fly out there,
903
00:34:11,483 --> 00:34:13,383
with me knowing
your virtual name?
904
00:34:13,452 --> 00:34:15,685
- I'm pretty secretive
upon certain things.
905
00:34:15,754 --> 00:34:21,191
And I wouldn't say that this is
a huge secret of me being Tahj,
906
00:34:21,260 --> 00:34:24,027
but it's like a,
if you know, you know,
907
00:34:24,096 --> 00:34:25,562
and if you don't,
you just don't.
908
00:34:25,631 --> 00:34:29,166
- Okay, and I think when
we called you earlier,
909
00:34:29,234 --> 00:34:31,368
it sounded like a girl
answered the phone.
910
00:34:31,437 --> 00:34:33,470
- Yeah.
That's just my friend.
911
00:34:33,539 --> 00:34:35,005
- Okay.
912
00:34:35,074 --> 00:34:37,007
Is that something you do often?
913
00:34:37,076 --> 00:34:38,308
- What do you mean?
914
00:34:38,377 --> 00:34:39,776
- Have a friend answer
the phone?
915
00:34:39,845 --> 00:34:42,879
I was just curious.
In this case, it was a woman.
916
00:34:43,515 --> 00:34:45,882
- Well, I mean, at the time
she picked up the phone,
917
00:34:45,951 --> 00:34:47,384
so there's not much to say.
918
00:34:47,453 --> 00:34:49,219
It's not something
that's regular.
919
00:34:49,288 --> 00:34:51,822
- But if she's gonna answer
your phone,
920
00:34:51,890 --> 00:34:54,758
and then I come on and say,
"Hey, is Jordan there,"
921
00:34:54,827 --> 00:34:56,626
wouldn't the next thing
you'd say be,
922
00:34:56,695 --> 00:34:59,162
"Yeah, hold on,"
or "Who's calling?"
923
00:34:59,231 --> 00:35:00,530
- We said Jordan or Tahj.
- Right.
924
00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:02,265
- Right. I even said that.
Right.
925
00:35:02,334 --> 00:35:04,167
- So she would probably know
you by either name,
926
00:35:04,236 --> 00:35:06,570
and still hung up the phone.
927
00:35:06,638 --> 00:35:09,206
- So I mean, I'm not sure
when you guys called,
928
00:35:09,274 --> 00:35:11,074
but at the time,
I just was not there.
929
00:35:11,143 --> 00:35:12,342
That's the best way
to explain it.
930
00:35:15,380 --> 00:35:17,948
- I want you to be real
with me.
931
00:35:18,016 --> 00:35:19,649
- I feel like I've been real.
932
00:35:19,718 --> 00:35:23,386
But in certain areas, I haven't
been transparent with you.
933
00:35:23,455 --> 00:35:25,522
- Yeah, that sounds
like bull[bleep].
934
00:35:25,591 --> 00:35:27,824
- You've had a relationship
with Kailan for 12 years.
935
00:35:27,893 --> 00:35:31,094
It's okay to tell her the truth
about what's been going on.
936
00:35:31,163 --> 00:35:33,563
- So let me talk. You done?
- No.
937
00:35:33,632 --> 00:35:35,265
We're not done
until you tell us
938
00:35:35,334 --> 00:35:37,601
who that girl
on the phone really was.
939
00:35:39,538 --> 00:35:41,338
- You've had a relationship
with Kailan for 12 years.
940
00:35:41,406 --> 00:35:43,573
It's okay to tell her the truth
about what's been going on.
941
00:35:43,642 --> 00:35:45,242
- So let me talk. You done?
942
00:35:45,310 --> 00:35:47,878
- No. We're not done
until you tell us
943
00:35:47,946 --> 00:35:50,080
who that girl on
the phone really was.
944
00:35:50,149 --> 00:35:51,948
- I guess you could say
the girl
945
00:35:52,017 --> 00:35:55,452
who answered the phone
is, like, my girlfriend.
946
00:35:55,521 --> 00:35:57,354
- Finally.
The truth comes out.
947
00:35:57,422 --> 00:36:01,124
You understand how, like,
[bleep] all of this sounds.
948
00:36:01,193 --> 00:36:04,161
Like, it sounds really bad.
949
00:36:04,229 --> 00:36:08,098
- It wouldn't sound bad if you
just told me straight up.
950
00:36:08,167 --> 00:36:11,468
- When were you gonna tell her
that you had a girlfriend?
951
00:36:11,537 --> 00:36:13,370
- Oh. Hmm.
952
00:36:13,438 --> 00:36:15,772
Well, honestly,
we just made things official
953
00:36:15,841 --> 00:36:17,307
maybe, like, a month ago.
954
00:36:17,376 --> 00:36:21,144
So I mean, I probably wasn't
gonna say anything
955
00:36:21,213 --> 00:36:23,079
for some time, honestly.
Like--
956
00:36:23,148 --> 00:36:25,515
- So you've got time
is what you're saying.
957
00:36:25,584 --> 00:36:26,917
- Nah, I don't have time.
958
00:36:26,985 --> 00:36:29,252
- You so smart,
then you sound so...
959
00:36:29,321 --> 00:36:32,355
- [laughing quietly]
- Dumb.
960
00:36:32,424 --> 00:36:35,091
- The vibe you're giving off
right now is, like,
961
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:36,726
"Hey, you know, I've been busy.
962
00:36:36,795 --> 00:36:38,061
"Sorry.
I'm just--I work so hard.
963
00:36:38,130 --> 00:36:39,563
You know,
I gotta get that money."
964
00:36:39,631 --> 00:36:40,630
But, like--
- Yeah.
965
00:36:40,699 --> 00:36:42,065
- But even if that's true,
966
00:36:42,134 --> 00:36:43,800
it still makes you sound
like an asshole,
967
00:36:43,869 --> 00:36:46,203
because you're the one
who made it seem
968
00:36:46,271 --> 00:36:47,938
as though
you're very interested in her
969
00:36:48,006 --> 00:36:49,506
and wanted more
of a relationship.
970
00:36:49,575 --> 00:36:51,374
But I guess you didn't really
ever think you were gonna
971
00:36:51,443 --> 00:36:54,578
meet up with her anyway,
so it was just sort of fun.
972
00:36:54,646 --> 00:36:57,781
- So I'm so happy that
you said that last point,
973
00:36:57,849 --> 00:36:59,316
'cause that goes
for most people
974
00:36:59,384 --> 00:37:01,351
that I meet
in the virtual world.
975
00:37:01,420 --> 00:37:05,155
- So with that being said,
how many other people
976
00:37:05,224 --> 00:37:08,625
are you talking to the way
that you're talking to Kailan?
977
00:37:08,694 --> 00:37:11,394
- Uh... [exhales]
978
00:37:11,463 --> 00:37:13,330
that's tough to say.
979
00:37:13,398 --> 00:37:15,932
- He gotta think.
- Honestly, like...
980
00:37:16,001 --> 00:37:19,169
maybe three.
981
00:37:19,238 --> 00:37:22,472
- You have four relationships
going on right now.
982
00:37:22,541 --> 00:37:25,108
- Sorry, but the number sounds
so misconstrued.
983
00:37:25,177 --> 00:37:28,144
I would say--
- I think it's basic math.
984
00:37:28,213 --> 00:37:32,182
- Sounds basic to me.
- Three plus one equals four.
985
00:37:32,251 --> 00:37:34,084
- Mm. Mm.
986
00:37:34,152 --> 00:37:37,887
- Kailan, I don't know
what to tell you, sweetie.
987
00:37:37,956 --> 00:37:39,489
This ain't gonna work out.
988
00:37:39,558 --> 00:37:42,192
I'ma tell you that right now.
It's not gonna happen.
989
00:37:42,261 --> 00:37:46,129
- I would--I would rather him
be somebody else.
990
00:37:46,198 --> 00:37:49,065
- Maybe you guys caught, like,
an asshole vibe from me,
991
00:37:49,134 --> 00:37:51,034
but I'm sure you guys
have ran into the situations
992
00:37:51,103 --> 00:37:53,103
as to where you put
something on pause,
993
00:37:53,171 --> 00:37:55,538
and then you maybe
came back to it in the future.
994
00:37:55,607 --> 00:37:56,806
We've all done it. So.
995
00:37:56,875 --> 00:37:58,341
- Which would all be
well and good
996
00:37:58,410 --> 00:38:01,344
if you just relayed
that information to Kailan
997
00:38:01,413 --> 00:38:04,147
instead of talking
about marriage and children
998
00:38:04,216 --> 00:38:06,049
and wanting to put
a baby inside of her.
999
00:38:06,118 --> 00:38:07,384
- I feel like, right now,
1000
00:38:07,452 --> 00:38:09,753
things don't align up
for us to be together.
1001
00:38:09,821 --> 00:38:14,691
'Cause you have three kids,
and I don't see myself, like,
1002
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:19,162
actually tying down and being
the stepfather role regardless,
1003
00:38:19,231 --> 00:38:21,398
to be truthful with you.
I don't know.
1004
00:38:21,466 --> 00:38:24,701
But I think that's a really
great way for me to explain it.
1005
00:38:24,770 --> 00:38:26,770
- I have a headache.
1006
00:38:26,838 --> 00:38:30,874
I just feel like you sound
like every guy that's out here.
1007
00:38:30,942 --> 00:38:33,977
And I looked at you different.
1008
00:38:34,046 --> 00:38:36,079
Every other guy
wants to [bleep],
1009
00:38:36,148 --> 00:38:39,649
don't want to be there
for me and my children.
1010
00:38:39,718 --> 00:38:41,151
Don't bring my kids in it.
1011
00:38:41,219 --> 00:38:42,919
If you already knew
1012
00:38:42,988 --> 00:38:45,188
that you didn't have no future
with me,
1013
00:38:45,257 --> 00:38:47,857
don't make my kids the excuse.
1014
00:38:47,926 --> 00:38:49,459
You should have just been real
1015
00:38:49,528 --> 00:38:53,063
as far as not putting things
in my head
1016
00:38:53,131 --> 00:38:55,265
as to think there is a future.
1017
00:38:55,334 --> 00:38:58,768
You got a girl?
I want you to focus on that.
1018
00:38:58,837 --> 00:39:02,505
- If you want for girls not to
think that you're an asshole,
1019
00:39:02,574 --> 00:39:04,541
don't be giving off
that [bleep]-boy energy.
1020
00:39:04,609 --> 00:39:07,077
Don't make promises
that you know you can't keep,
1021
00:39:07,145 --> 00:39:10,180
and don't say anything
that you don't actually mean.
1022
00:39:10,248 --> 00:39:12,215
- Don't start telling girls
that you want to put
1023
00:39:12,284 --> 00:39:15,251
a baby up inside them
when you don't want to do that.
1024
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,654
- If you are inside of a woman
and you have the feeling,
1025
00:39:17,723 --> 00:39:20,123
"I want to put a baby in her,"
pull the [bleep] out.
1026
00:39:20,192 --> 00:39:21,758
Pull out immediately.
- Right.
1027
00:39:21,827 --> 00:39:23,760
- Pull out immediately.
Get out.
1028
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:26,730
- Kailan, anything you want
to say to Jordan right now
1029
00:39:26,798 --> 00:39:30,166
before we say goodbye to him?
1030
00:39:30,235 --> 00:39:31,835
- You have a lot
of growing to do.
1031
00:39:31,903 --> 00:39:35,205
You've grown, but you have
a lot of growing to do.
1032
00:39:36,641 --> 00:39:37,974
- Okay.
1033
00:39:38,043 --> 00:39:40,076
Hey, thank you guys.
Have a great day.
1034
00:39:40,145 --> 00:39:41,478
- [smooches]
- Okay.
1035
00:39:41,546 --> 00:39:42,979
- [flatly] You too.
[smooches]
1036
00:39:43,048 --> 00:39:45,749
- Did he do that?
Did he make a kiss sound?
1037
00:39:45,817 --> 00:39:47,684
- [gibbering mockingly]
1038
00:39:47,753 --> 00:39:49,285
Every time he spoke,
that's all I heard.
1039
00:39:49,354 --> 00:39:50,720
- No.
1040
00:39:50,789 --> 00:39:52,756
- Blah, blah--why couldn't
he have been the woman?
1041
00:39:52,824 --> 00:39:56,860
- Jesus. I'ma let him realize
that I was the best bet.
1042
00:39:56,928 --> 00:39:59,996
- Yeah, and he will, at some
point, probably realize that.
1043
00:40:00,065 --> 00:40:02,098
- And guess what,
even if he doesn't,
1044
00:40:02,167 --> 00:40:05,301
you go about your life
with your family,
1045
00:40:05,370 --> 00:40:09,439
and keep creating the future
that you want.
1046
00:40:09,508 --> 00:40:12,742
- Anyway, look, it's gonna
work out for you for sure.
1047
00:40:12,811 --> 00:40:14,043
- Mm-hmm.
1048
00:40:14,112 --> 00:40:15,779
- This is only going to
move you closer
1049
00:40:15,847 --> 00:40:16,980
to where you need to be
1050
00:40:17,048 --> 00:40:18,214
and the person
you need to be with.
1051
00:40:18,283 --> 00:40:21,451
- Yep. The book is closed.
1052
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,586
And I really appreciate
you guys
1053
00:40:23,655 --> 00:40:25,655
for letting me
close this chapter.
1054
00:40:25,724 --> 00:40:27,624
- We got you.
- All right, Kailan.
1055
00:40:27,692 --> 00:40:29,359
Take care, all right?
We'll talk soon.
1056
00:40:29,428 --> 00:40:30,527
- You too.
- Okay?
1057
00:40:30,595 --> 00:40:32,128
- Okay.
I'll talk to you guys later.
1058
00:40:32,197 --> 00:40:34,264
See you. Bye.
- Bye!
1059
00:40:34,332 --> 00:40:37,934
- ♪ Kick my feet up
and take it slow ♪
1060
00:40:38,003 --> 00:40:39,969
[mellow electronic music]
1061
00:40:40,038 --> 00:40:43,506
♪ So many places I can go ♪
1062
00:40:43,575 --> 00:40:45,508
♪ ♪
1063
00:40:45,577 --> 00:40:49,145
♪ I don't need much
to make a home ♪
1064
00:40:51,183 --> 00:40:52,882
- We've got an Instagram
model, Diamond.
1065
00:40:52,951 --> 00:40:54,984
She comes across Steve,
also big on social media.
1066
00:40:55,053 --> 00:40:57,153
She starts doing whatever
she can to get his attention.
1067
00:40:57,222 --> 00:40:58,588
- Some titty pics.
1068
00:40:58,657 --> 00:41:00,990
- So I'm like, wow,
this is my soulmate.
1069
00:41:01,059 --> 00:41:03,026
- Oh!
They know each other.
1070
00:41:03,094 --> 00:41:04,661
Are we getting [bleep]ed with?
1071
00:41:04,729 --> 00:41:06,896
- I wasn't seeing that coming.
- This is about to be dramatic.
1072
00:41:06,965 --> 00:41:08,164
- Shut the [bleep] up.