1 00:00:01,802 --> 00:00:04,303 Met when they were 10 or 11 years old. 2 00:00:04,372 --> 00:00:05,838 - Do you feel like you love Jordan? 3 00:00:05,906 --> 00:00:07,139 - Yes. 4 00:00:07,208 --> 00:00:09,808 He's every single thing I want in a man. 5 00:00:09,877 --> 00:00:12,578 - Oh, we got a Twitter account. - [gasps] 6 00:00:12,646 --> 00:00:15,214 - Tahj. - Who the hell is Tahj? 7 00:00:15,282 --> 00:00:16,782 - Something's going on here. 8 00:00:16,851 --> 00:00:19,485 There's no evidence that a Jordan exists anywhere. 9 00:00:19,553 --> 00:00:23,555 - Over the years, though--like, 12 years, really? 10 00:00:23,624 --> 00:00:24,623 - Oh! 11 00:00:24,692 --> 00:00:26,859 - Oh, [bleep]. - Hello. Who's there? 12 00:00:26,927 --> 00:00:28,961 [intense music] 13 00:00:29,030 --> 00:00:31,764 ♪ ♪ 14 00:00:31,832 --> 00:00:35,401 All right. Well, call time was 7:30 today. 15 00:00:35,469 --> 00:00:38,270 A little early. Kamie's still not here. 16 00:00:38,339 --> 00:00:40,806 I was gonna keep waiting before I had my breakfast, 17 00:00:40,875 --> 00:00:42,441 but it's getting cold. 18 00:00:42,510 --> 00:00:43,675 Oh! 19 00:00:43,744 --> 00:00:46,278 Look who decided to show up. What's up, Biggie? 20 00:00:46,347 --> 00:00:48,313 There she is. [chuckles] 21 00:00:48,382 --> 00:00:50,315 Looks like she's going to the couch. 22 00:00:50,384 --> 00:00:52,551 It's not that early. Come on. 23 00:00:52,620 --> 00:00:56,021 - It's early enough! I'm not a morning person, Nev. 24 00:00:56,090 --> 00:00:57,790 You know this about me. 25 00:00:57,858 --> 00:00:59,191 Thank you. 26 00:00:59,260 --> 00:01:01,960 I just get a little angry when I don't have my iced coffee 27 00:01:02,029 --> 00:01:03,829 immediately when I wake up. 28 00:01:03,898 --> 00:01:05,998 - Shall we? - We shall. 29 00:01:06,067 --> 00:01:07,633 Come on, Biggie. 30 00:01:09,470 --> 00:01:12,037 - All right. Oh, we got an email. 31 00:01:12,106 --> 00:01:14,673 Here we go. Here's an email from Kailan. 32 00:01:14,742 --> 00:01:17,810 "Hey, Nev and Kamie. I'm in a bit of a dilemma. 33 00:01:17,878 --> 00:01:22,247 "I met this guy named Jordan in a teen chat room site 34 00:01:22,316 --> 00:01:24,850 "12 years ago, 35 00:01:24,919 --> 00:01:27,086 "and just by conversation, 36 00:01:27,154 --> 00:01:30,189 "our relationship skyrocketed. 37 00:01:30,257 --> 00:01:31,890 "We messaged all the time 38 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,026 "and started talking on the phone for hours. 39 00:01:34,095 --> 00:01:35,828 "We were obsessed with each other, 40 00:01:35,896 --> 00:01:38,497 "and as we got older, we flirted more and more 41 00:01:38,566 --> 00:01:40,032 and started having feelings for each other." 42 00:01:40,101 --> 00:01:42,835 - ♪ I can give you love like, love like ♪ 43 00:01:42,903 --> 00:01:45,537 ♪ You ain't never seen in your life, your life ♪ 44 00:01:45,606 --> 00:01:49,007 - "Currently, I'm 23, and I live in Indiana. 45 00:01:49,076 --> 00:01:52,778 "He's 22 and live in Orlando, Florida. 46 00:01:52,847 --> 00:01:55,781 "So I guess it makes sense that it would be hard to meet. 47 00:01:55,850 --> 00:01:58,217 "But after being on and off for all these years, 48 00:01:58,285 --> 00:02:01,019 "we are now most definitely on. 49 00:02:01,088 --> 00:02:03,689 "He's the constant in my life, 50 00:02:03,757 --> 00:02:06,959 "my first online friend and my ideal man. 51 00:02:07,027 --> 00:02:09,595 "He understands me, and now that we're older, 52 00:02:09,663 --> 00:02:11,763 I'm ready to meet the love of my life." 53 00:02:11,832 --> 00:02:14,133 - ♪ I can give you love like, love like ♪ 54 00:02:14,201 --> 00:02:17,069 - "But we've tried to meet up twice before. 55 00:02:17,138 --> 00:02:19,771 "Both times, I flew to Florida, 56 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,942 "only to be stood up. 57 00:02:24,011 --> 00:02:25,477 "Not to mention, 58 00:02:25,546 --> 00:02:27,446 "I can't understand why he doesn't want to FaceTime 59 00:02:27,515 --> 00:02:29,681 "or, recently, even talk on the phone. 60 00:02:29,750 --> 00:02:32,784 "It leaves me feeling uneasy about who he really is. 61 00:02:32,853 --> 00:02:34,419 - Same, sis. 62 00:02:34,488 --> 00:02:36,321 - "We talk about a future together, 63 00:02:36,390 --> 00:02:38,590 "including marriage and babies. 64 00:02:38,659 --> 00:02:39,958 "But I'm still worried. 65 00:02:40,027 --> 00:02:42,127 "Would you guys please help me shake this feeling 66 00:02:42,196 --> 00:02:45,731 "so I can love him freely without these thoughts? 67 00:02:45,799 --> 00:02:46,965 Kailan." 68 00:02:48,669 --> 00:02:53,305 - Um, I think the thoughts that Kailan has are right on point. 69 00:02:53,374 --> 00:02:56,308 - Let's send a little texty-text to Kailan. 70 00:02:56,377 --> 00:02:59,411 - To Kailan. Reporting for duty. 71 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:01,780 - So wait a second. Kailan is 23. 72 00:03:01,849 --> 00:03:04,449 - Mm-hmm. - And they met 12 years ago. 73 00:03:04,518 --> 00:03:06,418 That's a--that means she was 11. 74 00:03:06,487 --> 00:03:08,253 - Exactly. - And he was ten. 75 00:03:08,322 --> 00:03:09,988 Are people catfishing at ten? 76 00:03:10,057 --> 00:03:13,325 - Who knows what Jordan told Kailan when they first met. 77 00:03:13,394 --> 00:03:14,726 - Right. - I'm sure they weren't saying, 78 00:03:14,795 --> 00:03:15,861 "Hi, I'm Kailan. 79 00:03:15,930 --> 00:03:18,564 I'm 12 years old." They were saying, "22." 80 00:03:18,632 --> 00:03:20,566 - Oh, you think they were both lying to each other 81 00:03:20,634 --> 00:03:21,900 when they first met? 82 00:03:21,969 --> 00:03:23,435 - Were you not on chat rooms when you were-- 83 00:03:23,504 --> 00:03:24,803 - No, I wasn't. I never did. - Well, I was. 84 00:03:24,872 --> 00:03:26,772 I was always 21. 85 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:28,173 - Oh, she wrote back. "Hey, guys. 86 00:03:28,242 --> 00:03:30,442 Oh my God, are you guys coming to save the day?" 87 00:03:30,511 --> 00:03:33,445 - Absolutely. - "Come in our Zoom." 88 00:03:33,514 --> 00:03:36,381 - We should be back-to-back. 89 00:03:37,351 --> 00:03:39,718 Hey! 90 00:03:39,787 --> 00:03:40,986 - Hey. 91 00:03:41,055 --> 00:03:43,222 - What's up, Kailan? - Hey. What's up, what's up? 92 00:03:43,290 --> 00:03:46,391 - Did you grow up in Indiana? - Yes, I did. I grew up here. 93 00:03:46,460 --> 00:03:47,659 - What do you do for work? 94 00:03:47,728 --> 00:03:49,995 - I'm a mail carrier. I'm a mail lady. 95 00:03:50,064 --> 00:03:51,663 - Let's do a test. - See if he'll bark at her? 96 00:03:51,732 --> 00:03:53,298 - Biggie, look. She's a--she's a mailwoman. 97 00:03:53,367 --> 00:03:54,733 - [laughs] - What do you think? 98 00:03:54,802 --> 00:03:56,301 - What do you think? Can you tell? Can you tell? 99 00:03:56,370 --> 00:03:57,669 - I gotta have my uniform on. 100 00:03:57,738 --> 00:04:00,138 - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. - It's the uniform. 101 00:04:00,207 --> 00:04:01,740 - Very cool. 102 00:04:01,809 --> 00:04:04,209 - Yeah, but I went to school for a year. 103 00:04:04,278 --> 00:04:06,478 I did pre-med. - Why did you stop? 104 00:04:06,547 --> 00:04:07,713 - I got pregnant. 105 00:04:07,781 --> 00:04:09,348 I got pregnant with my daughter. 106 00:04:09,416 --> 00:04:11,950 - Wow. - So how old's your daughter? 107 00:04:12,019 --> 00:04:13,218 - She's three now. 108 00:04:13,287 --> 00:04:16,788 - Were you dating her father? - I was at the time. 109 00:04:16,857 --> 00:04:18,023 But, um, 110 00:04:18,092 --> 00:04:19,358 she's not my only kid. 111 00:04:19,426 --> 00:04:20,559 I have twin boys. 112 00:04:20,628 --> 00:04:22,961 - Wow. How old are they? - They are one. 113 00:04:23,030 --> 00:04:25,097 - And you're no longer with their father. 114 00:04:25,165 --> 00:04:26,832 - Mm-mm. Not at all. 115 00:04:26,900 --> 00:04:28,800 - You have a lot on your plate. - I do. 116 00:04:28,869 --> 00:04:31,169 - Geez. And then Jordan, who's... 117 00:04:31,238 --> 00:04:32,671 - Then Jordan. 118 00:04:32,740 --> 00:04:35,707 He's in the midst of all that. He was just always there. 119 00:04:35,776 --> 00:04:37,442 - Well, so, the first thing I said to Kamie 120 00:04:37,511 --> 00:04:38,977 when I read the email was, 121 00:04:39,046 --> 00:04:41,747 if you guys met when he was 10 and you were 11, 122 00:04:41,815 --> 00:04:45,651 hard to imagine what he might have lied about. 123 00:04:45,719 --> 00:04:47,786 Were you on there as yourself, being honest? 124 00:04:47,855 --> 00:04:49,755 - No. I was on there saying I was 18. 125 00:04:49,823 --> 00:04:50,756 - See? 126 00:04:50,824 --> 00:04:52,624 - How old did he say he was? 127 00:04:52,693 --> 00:04:54,826 - He was 19. - See? 128 00:04:54,895 --> 00:04:57,562 - So what if he really was 19? 129 00:04:57,631 --> 00:04:59,197 - Ew. - Ew. Right. 130 00:04:59,266 --> 00:05:00,966 - I feel like people expected, 131 00:05:01,035 --> 00:05:02,601 on any chat room, that everyone was lying... 132 00:05:02,670 --> 00:05:03,602 - Right. 133 00:05:03,671 --> 00:05:05,270 - About their age and their location. 134 00:05:05,339 --> 00:05:06,538 For sure. - Yeah. 135 00:05:06,607 --> 00:05:08,707 - So what kind of chat room was this? 136 00:05:08,776 --> 00:05:12,144 - Me and Jordan was talking in an astrology chat room. 137 00:05:12,212 --> 00:05:14,046 - What's his sign? - Guess. 138 00:05:15,182 --> 00:05:16,682 'cause I don't know anything about him. 139 00:05:16,750 --> 00:05:19,017 Don't tell me he's a Cancer. - No. He's a Taurus. 140 00:05:19,086 --> 00:05:21,386 - I mean, it would explain why he hasn't shown up yet, 141 00:05:21,455 --> 00:05:24,423 'cause Taurus are notoriously lazy. 142 00:05:24,491 --> 00:05:26,792 - [laughs] 143 00:05:26,860 --> 00:05:28,226 - Just sort of take us back 144 00:05:28,295 --> 00:05:29,528 and, like, tell us the whole story. 145 00:05:29,596 --> 00:05:32,064 - Okay, so me and Jordan met in a chat room, 146 00:05:32,132 --> 00:05:35,100 and we just started talking, learning about each other, 147 00:05:35,169 --> 00:05:37,302 as far as, like, the simple stuff. 148 00:05:37,371 --> 00:05:40,072 And then we really got deep in there. 149 00:05:40,140 --> 00:05:41,907 - So--okay, so you met in the chat room, 150 00:05:41,975 --> 00:05:43,241 and then what? 151 00:05:43,310 --> 00:05:44,543 - We switched over to Kik. 152 00:05:44,611 --> 00:05:45,977 Then I ended up getting my own phone, 153 00:05:46,046 --> 00:05:48,647 and it turned into phone calls, late at night. 154 00:05:48,716 --> 00:05:51,550 - And how would you describe the way Jordan sounds? 155 00:05:51,618 --> 00:05:53,251 - Well, you know, puberty-- 156 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:54,986 it was the little kid voice, 157 00:05:55,055 --> 00:05:58,156 so it sounded like a female. I ain't gonna lie. 158 00:05:58,225 --> 00:05:59,725 - Mmm. Mm-hmm. 159 00:05:59,793 --> 00:06:01,393 - Did you ever feel like he was your boyfriend? 160 00:06:01,462 --> 00:06:02,828 - At a point, we were dating. 161 00:06:02,896 --> 00:06:04,196 Around, like, freshman year, 162 00:06:04,264 --> 00:06:06,131 called each other boyfriend and girlfriend. 163 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,067 And then, since then, we were on and off. 164 00:06:09,136 --> 00:06:13,972 But every single time, y'all--every single time, 165 00:06:14,041 --> 00:06:15,407 the vibe never left. 166 00:06:15,476 --> 00:06:18,210 It was like, we just pick up where we left off. 167 00:06:18,278 --> 00:06:20,045 - Wait a second, so--okay, so you met in the chat room, 168 00:06:20,114 --> 00:06:22,280 and then you said you guys switched over to Kik. 169 00:06:22,349 --> 00:06:23,982 When you were in high school, did you guys... 170 00:06:24,051 --> 00:06:24,983 - It was more-- 171 00:06:25,052 --> 00:06:26,451 - Connect on other social media? 172 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:27,819 - Well, we connected on Snapchat, 173 00:06:27,888 --> 00:06:30,088 but he never really posted himself. 174 00:06:30,157 --> 00:06:31,456 He was posting quotes. 175 00:06:31,525 --> 00:06:32,924 - What do you know about him? 176 00:06:32,993 --> 00:06:35,127 - What does he do? Like, what's his job? 177 00:06:35,195 --> 00:06:36,995 - His life. - Yeah, tell us about Jordan. 178 00:06:37,064 --> 00:06:38,864 - He said he was doing construction at the time. 179 00:06:38,932 --> 00:06:40,899 And then he ended up quitting his job 180 00:06:40,968 --> 00:06:42,968 and started focusing on stocks. 181 00:06:43,036 --> 00:06:47,105 - So when you were dating your ex and you got pregnant, 182 00:06:47,174 --> 00:06:49,941 how was that for you to have to tell Jordan? 183 00:06:50,010 --> 00:06:51,343 - I was scared. 184 00:06:51,412 --> 00:06:54,346 I didn't want to lose the relationship we had, you know? 185 00:06:54,415 --> 00:06:56,448 And when I finally just said, 186 00:06:56,517 --> 00:06:58,183 "Forget it, I'ma just tell him," 187 00:06:58,252 --> 00:07:00,152 he was more excited than me. 188 00:07:00,220 --> 00:07:01,987 He was happy for me. 189 00:07:02,055 --> 00:07:03,555 Then the twins came. 190 00:07:03,624 --> 00:07:05,957 That's when I'm like, "Aww, I'm finna lose him this time, 191 00:07:06,026 --> 00:07:07,993 'cause what the [bleep]," you know? 192 00:07:08,061 --> 00:07:10,362 When I told him about the twins, 193 00:07:10,431 --> 00:07:12,464 when I tell you he made me start accepting it-- 194 00:07:12,533 --> 00:07:14,199 - Whoa. 195 00:07:14,268 --> 00:07:16,768 - It was amazing how he helped me 196 00:07:16,837 --> 00:07:18,703 get through the whole situation. 197 00:07:18,772 --> 00:07:20,705 "Everything happens for a reason." 198 00:07:20,774 --> 00:07:22,407 That's what he told me. 199 00:07:22,476 --> 00:07:23,842 - Do you feel like you love Jordan? 200 00:07:23,911 --> 00:07:25,043 - Yeah. 201 00:07:25,112 --> 00:07:26,645 - Have you guys said that you love each other? 202 00:07:26,713 --> 00:07:27,913 - Yes, we have. 203 00:07:27,981 --> 00:07:29,748 He actually was the first to say it. 204 00:07:29,817 --> 00:07:31,883 I just feel like he understands me 205 00:07:31,952 --> 00:07:35,053 more than any man that I have ever dealt with. 206 00:07:35,122 --> 00:07:37,756 He's every single thing I want in a man. 207 00:07:37,825 --> 00:07:39,357 - I mean, I'm trying to find something 208 00:07:39,426 --> 00:07:41,092 not to like about this guy. 209 00:07:41,161 --> 00:07:42,527 He seems great. 210 00:07:42,596 --> 00:07:44,162 - But he has said he was gonna see you. 211 00:07:44,231 --> 00:07:45,397 - Mmm. 212 00:07:45,466 --> 00:07:47,699 - And you went to Florida twice? 213 00:07:47,768 --> 00:07:50,135 - Yep. I went to Miami before that. 214 00:07:50,204 --> 00:07:51,736 I texted him, "I want to see you." 215 00:07:51,805 --> 00:07:53,305 And he was all, "Okay, yeah. That's dope. 216 00:07:53,373 --> 00:07:55,340 We're gonna walk the beach. We're gonna do all this." 217 00:07:55,409 --> 00:07:59,010 And I get there, he's like, "Oh, I got work." 218 00:07:59,079 --> 00:08:00,745 I was a little upset, but I didn't want it 219 00:08:00,814 --> 00:08:02,681 to ruin the trip, so I just let it go. 220 00:08:02,749 --> 00:08:04,015 - And then was there another time 221 00:08:04,084 --> 00:08:05,684 that you went to Florida? - Yes. 222 00:08:05,752 --> 00:08:07,886 In 2019, I actually went to Orlando. 223 00:08:07,955 --> 00:08:10,489 He was like, "Sorry something came up last time. 224 00:08:10,557 --> 00:08:11,957 I have to see you this time." 225 00:08:12,025 --> 00:08:14,025 And I was out there for three days. 226 00:08:14,094 --> 00:08:18,063 Didn't text me back. Didn't call me. Nothing. 227 00:08:18,131 --> 00:08:19,231 I was pissed off. 228 00:08:19,299 --> 00:08:21,500 I stopped talking to him for two months. 229 00:08:21,568 --> 00:08:24,769 That's when I started thinking, like, something's not right. 230 00:08:24,838 --> 00:08:27,305 - So I think we have to assume that either 231 00:08:27,374 --> 00:08:28,707 he doesn't live in Orlando, 232 00:08:28,775 --> 00:08:31,643 or he's not the guy in the pictures. 233 00:08:31,712 --> 00:08:34,145 Those are the first two, most obvious reasons 234 00:08:34,214 --> 00:08:36,314 why he might not show up. 235 00:08:36,383 --> 00:08:37,816 Have you asked to FaceTime? 236 00:08:37,885 --> 00:08:39,818 - I have. - Why hadn't that happened? 237 00:08:39,887 --> 00:08:41,486 - He would be like, "Okay, I'ma call you tonight," 238 00:08:41,555 --> 00:08:42,420 and never call. 239 00:08:42,489 --> 00:08:43,555 - Classic. 240 00:08:43,624 --> 00:08:45,023 And do you talk on the phone now? 241 00:08:45,092 --> 00:08:47,359 - He hasn't been calling me at all. 242 00:08:47,427 --> 00:08:49,361 - When was the last time you spoke to Jordan on the phone? 243 00:08:49,429 --> 00:08:52,631 - When we were kids. - Like, five, six years ago? 244 00:08:52,699 --> 00:08:54,699 - Yeah. - Oh, my God. 245 00:08:54,768 --> 00:08:56,034 So for six or seven years, 246 00:08:56,103 --> 00:08:57,769 you guys haven't talked on the phone. 247 00:08:57,838 --> 00:08:59,471 - We didn't talk on the phone. - Wow. 248 00:08:59,540 --> 00:09:00,639 - How does he explain that? 249 00:09:00,707 --> 00:09:02,707 - He's busy. - That's weird. 250 00:09:02,776 --> 00:09:03,942 Have you ever pressed him on it and said, 251 00:09:04,011 --> 00:09:05,143 you know, like, "What's up?" 252 00:09:05,212 --> 00:09:06,711 - I pressed him on the phone calls. 253 00:09:06,780 --> 00:09:09,247 Recently, I told him "I'm upset, 254 00:09:09,316 --> 00:09:11,917 "because you keep saying you're gonna call me. You never did." 255 00:09:11,985 --> 00:09:14,586 - Do you have any messages or pictures that we can see? 256 00:09:14,655 --> 00:09:16,555 - Yeah. - Show us the goods. 257 00:09:16,623 --> 00:09:17,989 Okay, great. - Oh, wait. 258 00:09:18,058 --> 00:09:21,159 - Okay. Wait. Let's-- - Is that him? Cute. 259 00:09:21,228 --> 00:09:23,261 - Go up a little bit. Okay, here we go. 260 00:09:23,330 --> 00:09:24,963 - Ooh! - What? 261 00:09:25,032 --> 00:09:26,698 "Lol, don't test my pullout game. 262 00:09:26,767 --> 00:09:28,166 I got that in any position." 263 00:09:28,235 --> 00:09:29,668 And you said, "[bleep], I can't wait. 264 00:09:29,736 --> 00:09:32,337 Def want you to [bleep] me the [bleep] out." 265 00:09:32,406 --> 00:09:34,539 - Oh, my God. Oh, my God. 266 00:09:34,608 --> 00:09:36,875 - I need a green flag. - Oh, my God. 267 00:09:36,944 --> 00:09:39,544 - I need a green flag. 268 00:09:39,613 --> 00:09:41,646 - "Gonna have to give me a baby, 269 00:09:41,715 --> 00:09:42,981 the way you talking, lol. 270 00:09:43,050 --> 00:09:44,849 I'ma wear you out on the first night. 271 00:09:44,918 --> 00:09:46,184 I'll be surprised if you can keep up." 272 00:09:46,253 --> 00:09:48,920 - Ooh. - "I'm not pulling out." Wow. 273 00:09:48,989 --> 00:09:50,722 - You said, "Get me pregnant, 274 00:09:50,791 --> 00:09:52,524 we are getting married for real." 275 00:09:52,593 --> 00:09:55,160 - He said he wouldn't mind getting married to you. 276 00:09:55,228 --> 00:09:56,494 - I know, right? 277 00:09:56,563 --> 00:09:59,497 - So yeah, sexting aside, he has expressed to you 278 00:09:59,566 --> 00:10:01,533 that he wants to be your husband 279 00:10:01,602 --> 00:10:03,268 and potentially have more kids. 280 00:10:03,337 --> 00:10:04,736 - Yes. 281 00:10:04,805 --> 00:10:06,271 - All right, well, let's figure this out, 282 00:10:06,340 --> 00:10:08,106 'cause you've obviously been waiting a long time. 283 00:10:08,175 --> 00:10:10,609 - Yeah. 'Cause I'm not for these games at all. 284 00:10:10,677 --> 00:10:12,477 I need to know. 285 00:10:12,546 --> 00:10:13,878 - All right, so hang tight. 286 00:10:13,947 --> 00:10:15,347 We will hit you up once we find something. 287 00:10:15,415 --> 00:10:16,848 - Okay. Thank you, guys. 288 00:10:16,917 --> 00:10:18,049 - All right, Kailan. - Of course. 289 00:10:18,118 --> 00:10:19,951 - Appreciate you. - Talk soon. 290 00:10:20,020 --> 00:10:21,720 - Man. - Wow. 291 00:10:21,788 --> 00:10:25,390 - My initial thought is maybe when they met on the chat room, 292 00:10:25,459 --> 00:10:27,626 Jordan was honest about how old he was. Right? 293 00:10:27,694 --> 00:10:29,461 - She assumed they both lied about how old they are. 294 00:10:29,529 --> 00:10:30,862 - Right. 295 00:10:30,931 --> 00:10:32,097 - But there's a chance he didn't. 296 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:34,799 - The other possibility is that Jordan 297 00:10:34,868 --> 00:10:36,901 was a young woman when they met, 298 00:10:36,970 --> 00:10:39,571 and the reason that they stopped talking on the phone 299 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:41,172 was because her voice 300 00:10:41,241 --> 00:10:44,376 didn't change into sounding like an adult male voice. 301 00:10:44,444 --> 00:10:45,610 - Oh, God. 302 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,979 - Jordan has something good things going for him, 303 00:10:48,048 --> 00:10:50,949 but there are obviously some major red flags. 304 00:10:51,018 --> 00:10:52,851 [dramatic music] 305 00:10:54,921 --> 00:10:56,821 - All right. Let's see what we can find. 306 00:10:56,890 --> 00:10:58,256 What do you think we're gonna find? 307 00:10:58,325 --> 00:11:02,127 What are the... planets telling you? 308 00:11:02,195 --> 00:11:05,030 - It's some bull[bleep]. [both laughing] 309 00:11:05,098 --> 00:11:06,564 - So here's what we've got. 310 00:11:06,633 --> 00:11:09,100 We've got Kailan and Jordan in their early 20s, 311 00:11:09,169 --> 00:11:11,436 who met when they were 10 or 11 years old. 312 00:11:12,606 --> 00:11:14,272 initially just through Commun a chat room.tarted 313 00:11:14,341 --> 00:11:16,775 Then it moved to Kik, and then it moved to text and talk. 314 00:11:16,843 --> 00:11:17,909 They talked on the phone a lot, 315 00:11:17,978 --> 00:11:20,378 and then stopped talking on the phone, 316 00:11:20,447 --> 00:11:22,313 but stayed in touch over the years, 317 00:11:22,382 --> 00:11:25,116 and are now very seriously looking to meet up 318 00:11:25,185 --> 00:11:26,751 and start a life together. 319 00:11:26,820 --> 00:11:28,386 But, you know, he won't FaceTime. 320 00:11:28,455 --> 00:11:30,055 - Mm-hmm. - She's been to Florida twice, 321 00:11:30,123 --> 00:11:31,656 once to Miami, where he was gonna meet her, 322 00:11:31,725 --> 00:11:33,224 and then once to Orlando, 323 00:11:33,293 --> 00:11:34,759 and he ghosted. 324 00:11:34,828 --> 00:11:36,561 So something's up. - Right. 325 00:11:36,630 --> 00:11:39,397 - Okay, so let's just start with some basics. 326 00:11:40,734 --> 00:11:43,101 "Hey, Nev and Kamie. Thanks for taking my case. 327 00:11:43,170 --> 00:11:44,703 "Here's everything I know on Jordan. 328 00:11:44,771 --> 00:11:46,337 Pics attached." 329 00:11:46,406 --> 00:11:48,273 His name is Jordan Hammel. He lives in Orlando, Florida. 330 00:11:48,341 --> 00:11:49,974 Here's his number, his Snapchat, 331 00:11:50,043 --> 00:11:51,743 "and as far as I know, he doesn't have any other 332 00:11:51,812 --> 00:11:53,211 "social media, and that's all I have. 333 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:54,813 "Let me know if you have any questions. 334 00:11:54,881 --> 00:11:56,347 I'm so glad you're on this." 335 00:11:56,416 --> 00:11:58,249 All right, let's start with pictures. 336 00:11:58,318 --> 00:12:00,852 All right, we got the first one, 337 00:12:00,921 --> 00:12:02,420 in his car with his seatbelt across. 338 00:12:02,489 --> 00:12:05,423 [tense music] 339 00:12:05,492 --> 00:12:06,825 No hits there. 340 00:12:06,893 --> 00:12:08,460 ♪ ♪ 341 00:12:08,528 --> 00:12:11,029 Here's another photo. 342 00:12:11,098 --> 00:12:13,064 Okay, no hits there. 343 00:12:13,133 --> 00:12:15,166 And then here's a weird one 344 00:12:15,235 --> 00:12:17,769 that's, like, been color edited. 345 00:12:17,838 --> 00:12:19,471 - That was at the times, you know. 346 00:12:19,539 --> 00:12:21,906 - Right. That was a thing. 347 00:12:23,376 --> 00:12:26,044 All right, so nothing on the images, which is good. 348 00:12:26,113 --> 00:12:30,215 It's not like he's some model guy or famous vlogger. 349 00:12:30,283 --> 00:12:33,051 - My initial thought is we have to check Cashapp 350 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:34,519 and run the number there, 351 00:12:34,588 --> 00:12:36,287 'cause he's had this number for forever, so... 352 00:12:36,356 --> 00:12:37,655 - That's true. 353 00:12:37,724 --> 00:12:39,557 - He should have something set up through the number. 354 00:12:39,626 --> 00:12:40,825 - Right. Okay. 355 00:12:40,894 --> 00:12:42,727 All right, so let's take this phone number, 356 00:12:42,796 --> 00:12:46,231 and let's run it in our Cashapp. 357 00:12:46,299 --> 00:12:49,801 321-[bleep]. 358 00:12:49,870 --> 00:12:52,771 - [gasps] 359 00:12:52,839 --> 00:12:54,272 Tahj. 360 00:12:54,341 --> 00:12:57,275 - Oh, that's the same Snapchat. [bleep]-shots. 361 00:12:57,344 --> 00:12:59,744 - Snapchat. - So that's definitely him. 362 00:12:59,813 --> 00:13:01,379 - But who the [bleep] is Tahj? 363 00:13:01,448 --> 00:13:04,549 - Well, I mean, who knows? But that's--you were right. 364 00:13:04,618 --> 00:13:06,584 - That's a good--yes. - That's a good first clue. 365 00:13:06,653 --> 00:13:08,219 - Mm-hmm. 366 00:13:08,288 --> 00:13:11,990 - Jordan has a Cashapp with the same username as the Snapchat, 367 00:13:12,058 --> 00:13:15,727 but his first name on here appears to be Tahj. 368 00:13:15,796 --> 00:13:17,295 Why isn't it Jordan? 369 00:13:17,364 --> 00:13:20,698 Now that we know he uses the [bleep]-shots username, 370 00:13:20,767 --> 00:13:24,502 let's do a little bit of searching on that. 371 00:13:26,973 --> 00:13:28,239 - Oh! 372 00:13:28,308 --> 00:13:30,675 - Stocktwits. He's a stock guy, right? 373 00:13:30,744 --> 00:13:32,877 - Right. Hmm. 374 00:13:32,946 --> 00:13:35,380 - Okay, so--uh, okay, but it did show up 375 00:13:35,448 --> 00:13:37,982 as a username on a stock trading website, 376 00:13:38,051 --> 00:13:39,384 which, again, makes sense. 377 00:13:39,452 --> 00:13:41,386 - This is his favorite username, obviously. 378 00:13:41,454 --> 00:13:43,254 - Right. So let's look up the Snapchat 379 00:13:43,323 --> 00:13:44,923 and just see if there's anything on there. 380 00:13:44,991 --> 00:13:46,491 I mean, she's obviously done that. 381 00:13:47,627 --> 00:13:49,494 - But what does the Snapchat look like? 382 00:13:49,563 --> 00:13:51,563 [bleep]-shots. 383 00:13:53,466 --> 00:13:55,633 Hmm. "Wavy." 384 00:13:55,702 --> 00:13:57,435 - No picture. 385 00:13:57,504 --> 00:13:59,170 - Yeah, nothing. 386 00:13:59,239 --> 00:14:00,438 All right, so wait a second. What else? 387 00:14:00,507 --> 00:14:02,073 Hold on. Let's go back to the email. 388 00:14:02,142 --> 00:14:03,708 All right, let's do a phone search then. 389 00:14:03,777 --> 00:14:06,911 It should come up to Jordan Hammel, right? 390 00:14:06,980 --> 00:14:08,847 All right, let's do it on Spokeo. 391 00:14:08,915 --> 00:14:11,416 Click "phone search" here. 392 00:14:11,484 --> 00:14:14,619 - Tahj! Hammel. 393 00:14:14,688 --> 00:14:16,888 - Wow. Wow! 394 00:14:16,957 --> 00:14:19,090 - Old address is Florida. - Orlando. 395 00:14:19,159 --> 00:14:20,658 Okay, so there was a time 396 00:14:20,727 --> 00:14:22,660 when this number was registered to Orlando. 397 00:14:22,729 --> 00:14:24,596 Okay. Well, this is good. We're getting somewhere here. 398 00:14:24,664 --> 00:14:26,297 Oh! We got a Twitter account. 399 00:14:26,366 --> 00:14:27,832 - Okay. 400 00:14:27,901 --> 00:14:29,300 - What is this? 401 00:14:29,636 --> 00:14:32,503 "Slim eye Tahj." 402 00:14:32,572 --> 00:14:36,541 Miami Beach. Interesting. 403 00:14:36,610 --> 00:14:40,311 This is obviously-- what are you seeing? 404 00:14:40,380 --> 00:14:45,550 - What are you not seeing? - Wha--I don't know. 405 00:14:45,619 --> 00:14:46,885 Oh. 406 00:14:46,953 --> 00:14:48,386 That's a woman. 407 00:14:48,455 --> 00:14:50,889 Right. Okay. Well, hold on a second. 408 00:14:50,957 --> 00:14:52,924 And then here's-- this is the same person? 409 00:14:52,993 --> 00:14:54,225 - Mm-hmm. - Okay. 410 00:14:54,294 --> 00:14:55,827 Well, this is good. We're getting somewhere. 411 00:14:55,896 --> 00:14:57,128 - Right. - So this is the Facebook 412 00:14:57,197 --> 00:14:59,430 account that comes up associated to the number. 413 00:14:59,499 --> 00:15:02,300 This can't be a total mistake, because the Cashapp says Tahj, 414 00:15:02,369 --> 00:15:04,969 and now the phone number's coming back to a Tahj. 415 00:15:05,038 --> 00:15:08,273 Look, the URL even says "tahj.hammel." 416 00:15:08,341 --> 00:15:11,743 And there's an Instagram account, "tahj mahall." 417 00:15:11,811 --> 00:15:12,977 - Rainbow. 418 00:15:13,046 --> 00:15:15,380 - Well, if Tahj is a lesbian... 419 00:15:15,448 --> 00:15:16,881 - Maybe when she was younger, 420 00:15:16,950 --> 00:15:18,750 she was trying to experiment with... 421 00:15:18,818 --> 00:15:20,151 - Maybe. - Her sexuality. 422 00:15:20,220 --> 00:15:22,553 - Now, this is all connected to the phone number. 423 00:15:22,622 --> 00:15:24,055 If he got the phone number when he was a kid... 424 00:15:24,124 --> 00:15:25,423 - Mm-hmm. 425 00:15:25,492 --> 00:15:26,824 - Which, presumably he did, obviously... 426 00:15:26,893 --> 00:15:28,259 - Mm-hmm. 427 00:15:28,328 --> 00:15:29,961 - It might come up under a family member name. 428 00:15:30,030 --> 00:15:33,498 - Could be a family plan. - Could this be his sister? 429 00:15:33,566 --> 00:15:36,768 - I was literally going to say they kind of look alike. 430 00:15:36,836 --> 00:15:38,436 They look like they could be related. 431 00:15:38,505 --> 00:15:39,671 - What do you--right. Yeah. 432 00:15:39,739 --> 00:15:41,172 Maybe Jordan has a sister, 433 00:15:41,241 --> 00:15:43,474 and the phone number traces back to her. 434 00:15:43,543 --> 00:15:46,411 Her name seems to be connected to all this. 435 00:15:46,479 --> 00:15:48,980 - I wonder if she follows a Jordan. 436 00:15:49,049 --> 00:15:50,648 - Mm. 437 00:15:50,717 --> 00:15:52,684 I have to bring it up on my phone to do this search. 438 00:15:52,752 --> 00:15:55,186 All right, now Following... 439 00:15:55,255 --> 00:15:58,389 and then let's search "Jordan." 440 00:16:00,327 --> 00:16:03,461 Hmm. All right, well we're on to something here. 441 00:16:03,530 --> 00:16:04,796 There's obviously a connection. 442 00:16:04,864 --> 00:16:06,898 The phone number is connected to a Cashapp, 443 00:16:06,967 --> 00:16:08,366 and on the Cashapp, the name is Tahj, 444 00:16:08,435 --> 00:16:09,934 which seemed very strange. 445 00:16:10,003 --> 00:16:11,469 Then, we ran the phone number, 446 00:16:11,538 --> 00:16:14,272 and it came back registered to Tahj Hammel, 447 00:16:14,341 --> 00:16:15,773 a woman, it would appear. 448 00:16:15,842 --> 00:16:17,275 - Mm-hmm. 449 00:16:17,344 --> 00:16:19,210 - Now, could be a sister. 450 00:16:19,279 --> 00:16:21,612 But the weird thing is there's no evidence 451 00:16:21,681 --> 00:16:23,114 that a Jordan Hammel exists anywhere. 452 00:16:23,183 --> 00:16:24,315 - No. 453 00:16:24,384 --> 00:16:25,650 - Like, if that's your number... 454 00:16:25,719 --> 00:16:26,985 - Mm-hmm. 455 00:16:27,053 --> 00:16:28,052 - Why would your sister come up? 456 00:16:28,121 --> 00:16:29,420 - Mm-hmm. 457 00:16:29,489 --> 00:16:30,989 - Why wouldn't you be in the mix somewhere? 458 00:16:31,057 --> 00:16:32,390 - Mm-hmm. Right. - I don't know. 459 00:16:32,459 --> 00:16:34,158 - Well, Kailan said it herself: when she first spoke 460 00:16:34,227 --> 00:16:35,660 to Jordan on the phone, that she thought 461 00:16:35,729 --> 00:16:37,061 she could have been talking to a girl. 462 00:16:37,130 --> 00:16:38,363 - Let's not ignore the good news, 463 00:16:38,431 --> 00:16:39,697 which is that the name Hammel... 464 00:16:39,766 --> 00:16:40,898 - Mm-hmm. 465 00:16:40,967 --> 00:16:42,367 - Is associated with the number. 466 00:16:42,435 --> 00:16:43,501 - Mm-hmm. 467 00:16:43,570 --> 00:16:45,570 - But the name Tahj is something 468 00:16:45,638 --> 00:16:48,706 that Jordan hasn't told Kailan about. 469 00:16:48,775 --> 00:16:52,977 So there's clearly been some lying happening here, 470 00:16:53,046 --> 00:16:54,445 and if there's one lie, 471 00:16:54,514 --> 00:16:56,080 who knows how many lies there could be? 472 00:16:56,149 --> 00:16:58,416 [dramatic music] 473 00:16:59,919 --> 00:17:02,520 [dark music] 474 00:17:02,589 --> 00:17:05,023 - All right. Day two. 475 00:17:05,091 --> 00:17:06,424 - Cheers. 476 00:17:06,493 --> 00:17:09,427 - Cashapp was a great idea, which gave us our first clue. 477 00:17:09,496 --> 00:17:10,561 - Tahj. - Tahj. 478 00:17:10,630 --> 00:17:11,929 Which we then saw again 479 00:17:11,998 --> 00:17:13,798 with the phone number reverse search. 480 00:17:13,867 --> 00:17:16,801 Hammel does seem to be consistently the last name 481 00:17:16,870 --> 00:17:19,871 associated with Jordan/Tahj Hammel. 482 00:17:19,939 --> 00:17:23,041 But the only connected social media 483 00:17:23,109 --> 00:17:24,709 appears to be for a woman. 484 00:17:24,778 --> 00:17:26,110 - Tahj Hammel. 485 00:17:26,179 --> 00:17:27,979 - I think we should just start by calling Kailan, 486 00:17:28,048 --> 00:17:29,981 going through everything that we discovered yesterday. 487 00:17:30,050 --> 00:17:32,583 [phone line trilling] 488 00:17:32,652 --> 00:17:34,152 Hello. 489 00:17:34,220 --> 00:17:35,987 - Hey. Good morning. It's Nev. 490 00:17:36,056 --> 00:17:37,855 - And Kamie. - And Kamie. 491 00:17:37,924 --> 00:17:39,991 We've got some things we want to talk about. 492 00:17:40,060 --> 00:17:41,826 So give us a minute, and we'll be ready in the Zoom. 493 00:17:43,229 --> 00:17:45,663 - See you in a minute. - See you. Are you ready? 494 00:17:45,732 --> 00:17:47,565 Let's talk to Kailan. 495 00:17:47,634 --> 00:17:50,001 ♪ Go, Biggie. Go, Biggie ♪ 496 00:17:50,070 --> 00:17:52,737 Strut, strut, strut, strut, strut. 497 00:17:52,806 --> 00:17:54,272 Biggie has a nice little walk. 498 00:17:56,843 --> 00:17:59,077 - All right. We are in. 499 00:17:59,145 --> 00:18:03,448 Kailan is in. Let's bring her into the Zoom. 500 00:18:05,952 --> 00:18:07,018 - I see you with the white tees. 501 00:18:07,087 --> 00:18:08,386 - Hey, oh. - The white tees. 502 00:18:08,455 --> 00:18:09,787 - Yeah! - Okay. 503 00:18:09,856 --> 00:18:11,089 - You see this coordination? 504 00:18:11,157 --> 00:18:12,957 - We don't even-we don't even plan this stuff. 505 00:18:13,026 --> 00:18:14,792 It just happens. - I know. How are you? 506 00:18:14,861 --> 00:18:16,394 - What's up? Yeah, hey, hey. 507 00:18:16,463 --> 00:18:17,895 - I am good. 508 00:18:17,964 --> 00:18:19,664 - All right, so what we want to do is walk you through 509 00:18:19,732 --> 00:18:21,032 what we found. 510 00:18:21,101 --> 00:18:22,567 You might even have some answers to questions 511 00:18:22,635 --> 00:18:23,634 that we now have. 512 00:18:23,703 --> 00:18:25,803 So let's dive in. 513 00:18:25,872 --> 00:18:28,840 All right, so the first thing we did was Google image search 514 00:18:28,908 --> 00:18:30,475 for all the pictures you sent us, 515 00:18:30,543 --> 00:18:34,145 and none of them came back with any hits, which is good. 516 00:18:34,214 --> 00:18:35,913 If you had pictures of somebody 517 00:18:35,982 --> 00:18:38,416 who was a social media influencer or a model, 518 00:18:38,485 --> 00:18:40,518 there's a good chance those pictures might come back 519 00:18:40,587 --> 00:18:44,021 to their Instagram or a blog or something. 520 00:18:44,090 --> 00:18:45,156 - Okay. - So that was good. 521 00:18:45,225 --> 00:18:47,191 So then we did a Google search, 522 00:18:47,260 --> 00:18:50,161 because you had given us Jordan's Snapchat, 523 00:18:50,230 --> 00:18:51,562 [bleep]-shots. 524 00:18:51,631 --> 00:18:52,964 - Yeah. 525 00:18:53,032 --> 00:18:54,832 - So we just thought, like, okay, let's see 526 00:18:54,901 --> 00:18:58,202 if that's a username that maybe he uses on other platforms. 527 00:18:58,271 --> 00:19:00,138 And the first thing that came up was this hit 528 00:19:00,206 --> 00:19:03,307 on a website called Stocktwits, which made sense, 529 00:19:03,376 --> 00:19:05,376 'cause you had said he was into stocks, right? 530 00:19:05,445 --> 00:19:06,844 So we were just thinking, okay, 531 00:19:06,913 --> 00:19:08,379 [bleep]-shots is a username. 532 00:19:08,448 --> 00:19:09,447 - Mm-hmm. 533 00:19:09,516 --> 00:19:11,048 - So then, Kamie had a great idea, 534 00:19:11,117 --> 00:19:13,151 which was to check Cashapp. 535 00:19:13,219 --> 00:19:14,552 - Because you know, to have Cashapp, 536 00:19:14,621 --> 00:19:16,521 you have to register it with your phone number. 537 00:19:16,589 --> 00:19:18,156 - Right. 538 00:19:18,224 --> 00:19:21,492 - So we did that, and then, when we put in the number, 539 00:19:21,561 --> 00:19:24,529 an account comes up: [bleep]-shots. 540 00:19:24,597 --> 00:19:26,764 The fact that the username [bleep]-shots-- 541 00:19:26,833 --> 00:19:28,366 and that is Jordan's username-- 542 00:19:28,434 --> 00:19:30,334 means that, like, that is definitely him. 543 00:19:30,403 --> 00:19:31,602 - Mm-hmm. Right. 544 00:19:31,671 --> 00:19:35,406 - But weirdly, the name on the account is Tahj. 545 00:19:35,475 --> 00:19:38,376 Now, I'm gonna assume you've never heard that name before. 546 00:19:38,444 --> 00:19:40,011 - No. I haven't. 547 00:19:40,079 --> 00:19:42,413 - That's not, like, a nickname or a middle name or... 548 00:19:42,482 --> 00:19:43,981 - No. 549 00:19:44,050 --> 00:19:46,017 - Okay. Well, we thought it was interesting. 550 00:19:46,085 --> 00:19:49,220 So that was our first, like, meaningful clue. 551 00:19:49,289 --> 00:19:50,988 Now that we see that phone number's associated 552 00:19:51,057 --> 00:19:52,456 with someone named Tahj, 553 00:19:52,525 --> 00:19:55,126 we thought, "Let's run the phone number on, 554 00:19:55,195 --> 00:19:57,261 like, a website to do background search," 555 00:19:57,330 --> 00:19:59,497 and the number came back to someone 556 00:19:59,566 --> 00:20:03,034 named Tahj Hammel in Florida. 557 00:20:03,102 --> 00:20:04,435 And you got the last name, 558 00:20:04,504 --> 00:20:07,004 and now we've got the name Tahj popping back up, 559 00:20:07,073 --> 00:20:11,242 which is crazy, because the Cashapp name is Tahj. 560 00:20:11,311 --> 00:20:13,978 - Well, who the hell is Tahj? - Right. 561 00:20:14,047 --> 00:20:17,748 So on that same website, it has here 562 00:20:17,817 --> 00:20:20,518 some possible connected social media accounts, 563 00:20:20,587 --> 00:20:22,420 and the first one is a Facebook, 564 00:20:22,488 --> 00:20:26,691 and it's for someone whose name on here is Tahj Mahal. 565 00:20:26,759 --> 00:20:30,761 But if you look up here, the URL, it's Tahj Hammel. 566 00:20:30,830 --> 00:20:35,166 So it would appear that this girl's name is Tahj Hammel. 567 00:20:35,235 --> 00:20:38,069 Now, we can't really see a lot on this page. 568 00:20:38,137 --> 00:20:40,805 But you don't know this girl, do you? 569 00:20:40,873 --> 00:20:42,340 - No. 570 00:20:42,408 --> 00:20:44,108 - 'Cause it says she's from Miami, Florida, 571 00:20:44,177 --> 00:20:46,744 which also, you know, fits. 572 00:20:46,813 --> 00:20:49,113 - Ooh, if that's her... [laughs] 573 00:20:49,182 --> 00:20:51,215 - Well, and you said it-- yesterday-- 574 00:20:51,284 --> 00:20:54,318 sounded like Jordan's voice was kind of girly. 575 00:20:54,387 --> 00:20:55,720 So this is where we started to think, okay, 576 00:20:55,788 --> 00:20:58,990 well maybe there is a chance that Jordan is a woman. 577 00:21:01,261 --> 00:21:05,563 - Everything seems to be pointing back to Tahj, 578 00:21:05,632 --> 00:21:08,899 and nothing seems to be pointing to Jordan. 579 00:21:08,968 --> 00:21:10,167 - Right. 580 00:21:10,236 --> 00:21:12,637 - ♪ When I was younger ♪ 581 00:21:12,705 --> 00:21:15,306 ♪ You knew me better ♪ 582 00:21:15,375 --> 00:21:17,341 - It better not be no girl. 583 00:21:17,410 --> 00:21:22,046 I just--that's not something I can handle. 584 00:21:22,115 --> 00:21:24,482 I'm a open book. I was always open. 585 00:21:24,550 --> 00:21:27,018 So for you to not take none of those chances 586 00:21:27,086 --> 00:21:28,919 just to straight up tell me, 587 00:21:28,988 --> 00:21:31,622 that's disrespectful and scary. 588 00:21:31,691 --> 00:21:34,525 - I think it would be one thing if this is Tahj, 589 00:21:34,594 --> 00:21:38,296 and maybe they were just trying to see 590 00:21:38,364 --> 00:21:40,798 kind of what they want in a romantic partner 591 00:21:40,867 --> 00:21:42,633 and started exploring. 592 00:21:42,702 --> 00:21:45,169 But the accepting photos from you 593 00:21:45,238 --> 00:21:48,306 and having sexual conversations with you 594 00:21:48,374 --> 00:21:53,778 is where I think that things cross a major, major line. 595 00:21:53,846 --> 00:21:55,846 - I'm getting a headache. 596 00:21:55,915 --> 00:21:58,449 ♪ ♪ 597 00:21:58,518 --> 00:22:01,052 - ♪ The devil spoke so I leaned a little closer ♪ 598 00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:03,354 - Oh, my goodness. 599 00:22:03,423 --> 00:22:05,189 'Cause over the years, though-- 600 00:22:05,258 --> 00:22:08,025 like, 12 years, really? 601 00:22:08,094 --> 00:22:09,760 Really? 602 00:22:09,829 --> 00:22:13,798 - ♪ Because a faithful mind makes ♪ 603 00:22:13,866 --> 00:22:15,366 - It's crazy. - ♪ A very foolish heart ♪ 604 00:22:15,435 --> 00:22:17,368 ♪ That loses its own way ♪ 605 00:22:17,437 --> 00:22:21,105 - Normally, we would reach out now, at this point, to Jordan. 606 00:22:21,174 --> 00:22:22,840 You could also text Jordan. 607 00:22:22,909 --> 00:22:24,709 Either way, we've got to make contact 608 00:22:24,777 --> 00:22:26,944 and let Jordan know that this is an opportunity 609 00:22:27,013 --> 00:22:30,081 right now for him to finally tell the truth. 610 00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:31,449 - Would you guys be able to do it? 611 00:22:31,517 --> 00:22:33,484 'Cause I might snap if I do it. 612 00:22:33,553 --> 00:22:35,086 - Sure. 613 00:22:35,154 --> 00:22:37,355 All right, here we go. It's calling. 614 00:22:37,423 --> 00:22:40,024 [phone line trilling] 615 00:22:40,093 --> 00:22:43,027 [dramatic music] 616 00:22:43,930 --> 00:22:48,466 - Hey, is this--I'm looking for Jordan, or perhaps Tahj? 617 00:22:50,570 --> 00:22:52,703 - My name is Nev. 618 00:22:52,772 --> 00:22:55,373 I'm from the TV show "Catfish," 619 00:22:55,441 --> 00:22:58,642 and I'm actually filming an episode now 620 00:22:58,711 --> 00:23:01,545 with a woman named Kailan, 621 00:23:01,614 --> 00:23:04,048 who's been talking to a friend online 622 00:23:04,117 --> 00:23:05,583 for a long time named Jordan, 623 00:23:05,651 --> 00:23:09,153 and she gave us this number to get in touch with him. 624 00:23:09,222 --> 00:23:11,455 [phone line cuts off, tone sounds] 625 00:23:11,524 --> 00:23:14,392 - [bleep]. I knew it. I knew it. 626 00:23:14,460 --> 00:23:17,194 - They hung up? - They hung up. That was crazy. 627 00:23:17,263 --> 00:23:18,729 It definitely sounded like a girl, right? 628 00:23:18,798 --> 00:23:20,097 - That was Tahj. 629 00:23:20,166 --> 00:23:23,667 - Yo... 630 00:23:23,736 --> 00:23:26,237 - So it doesn't totally answer our question, but-- 631 00:23:26,305 --> 00:23:28,506 - The hanging up answers the question. 632 00:23:28,574 --> 00:23:31,409 - That's crazy! What the [bleep]? 633 00:23:31,477 --> 00:23:32,910 - Yeah, that's not a good sign. 634 00:23:32,979 --> 00:23:35,179 So I think now we have to follow up with a text message. 635 00:23:35,248 --> 00:23:36,313 "Hey, it's Nev again. 636 00:23:36,382 --> 00:23:37,782 "Didn't mean to catch you off guard. 637 00:23:37,850 --> 00:23:39,683 "Was just trying to connect. We're hoping to help Kailan 638 00:23:39,752 --> 00:23:41,619 "and Jordan finally meet up after all these years, 639 00:23:41,687 --> 00:23:43,421 "and we understand there are some things about you 640 00:23:43,489 --> 00:23:45,089 "Kailan might not know, but want to help give you 641 00:23:45,158 --> 00:23:46,524 an opportunity to explain them." 642 00:23:46,592 --> 00:23:48,025 - That's a subtle-- - Yeah. 643 00:23:48,094 --> 00:23:49,527 That's gentle. - Mm-hmm. 644 00:23:49,595 --> 00:23:51,328 - I'll just end it with, "Please take this all in, 645 00:23:51,397 --> 00:23:52,997 and we can talk in an hour." 646 00:23:53,065 --> 00:23:54,732 Okay, I'm gonna send this. 647 00:23:54,801 --> 00:23:56,634 - Oh, wow. 648 00:23:56,702 --> 00:23:59,937 I just have a headache. 649 00:24:00,006 --> 00:24:01,639 Got butterflies. 650 00:24:02,608 --> 00:24:05,543 It just is getting scary now. 651 00:24:05,611 --> 00:24:07,945 12 years. 652 00:24:08,014 --> 00:24:09,213 - Yeah. I mean-- 653 00:24:09,282 --> 00:24:11,182 - That's some crazy [bleep]. 654 00:24:11,250 --> 00:24:12,583 - Well, the text is delivered. 655 00:24:12,652 --> 00:24:14,051 Feel like we should give him a few minutes 656 00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:15,586 before we follow up. 657 00:24:15,655 --> 00:24:17,588 So maybe we take a little break, 658 00:24:17,657 --> 00:24:19,390 think about all that, figure out questions 659 00:24:19,459 --> 00:24:22,326 you might want to ask, if and when we do get 660 00:24:22,395 --> 00:24:25,729 Jordan/Tahj to respond to our text. 661 00:24:25,798 --> 00:24:28,499 - And try not to text him and go off. 662 00:24:28,568 --> 00:24:30,201 - Okay. 663 00:24:30,269 --> 00:24:33,337 - All right. See you soon. 664 00:24:33,406 --> 00:24:36,106 I mean, definitely poked the beehive. 665 00:24:36,175 --> 00:24:38,175 - We unearthed some [bleep]. - Yeah. 666 00:24:38,244 --> 00:24:39,710 - For sure. - Something's going on here. 667 00:24:39,779 --> 00:24:41,345 - Yeah. 668 00:24:41,414 --> 00:24:43,881 - And it is not as simple as Jordan's a little shy. 669 00:24:43,950 --> 00:24:45,416 - No. 670 00:24:45,485 --> 00:24:47,651 I just feel bad for Kailan. She's not happy. 671 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,787 And if Tahj comes on the screen, 672 00:24:49,856 --> 00:24:51,455 we're gonna have some serious problems. 673 00:24:52,625 --> 00:24:53,791 - Hey, 674 00:24:53,860 --> 00:24:56,227 so I just got off the phone with Nev and Kamie. 675 00:24:56,295 --> 00:24:57,728 They just broke the news to me 676 00:24:57,797 --> 00:25:03,167 that Jordan might not be who he say he is. 677 00:25:03,236 --> 00:25:06,136 That is a scary thought, because after 12 years, 678 00:25:06,205 --> 00:25:08,005 you would think you know a person. 679 00:25:08,074 --> 00:25:10,708 You would think there was no lie. 680 00:25:10,776 --> 00:25:14,411 You would just think that everything is real. 681 00:25:15,948 --> 00:25:19,583 I'm hurt. I'm definitely hurt. 682 00:25:21,687 --> 00:25:22,820 - Okay. 683 00:25:22,889 --> 00:25:25,155 We've given them an hour. Are you ready? 684 00:25:25,224 --> 00:25:28,392 - Let's see if we got a response. 685 00:25:28,461 --> 00:25:31,028 I doubt we did. Doesn't look like it. No. 686 00:25:31,097 --> 00:25:32,263 So all right. 687 00:25:32,331 --> 00:25:38,235 Let's get our girl back in Zoom. 688 00:25:38,304 --> 00:25:42,706 [lively music] 689 00:25:42,775 --> 00:25:45,276 Hey. - Hey. 690 00:25:45,344 --> 00:25:46,977 - All right, have you-- you haven't heard 691 00:25:47,046 --> 00:25:49,146 anything from Jordan, right? 692 00:25:49,215 --> 00:25:50,447 - Nothing. Nothing. 693 00:25:50,516 --> 00:25:52,316 - Haven't responded to our text yet, either, 694 00:25:52,385 --> 00:25:54,818 and that's now been over an hour. 695 00:25:54,887 --> 00:25:56,754 We need to follow up. 696 00:25:56,822 --> 00:25:58,589 - Re-strategize. - Right. Follow up, 697 00:25:58,658 --> 00:26:01,191 but maybe with a little bit of a different strategy now, 698 00:26:01,260 --> 00:26:03,694 because the sort of straightforward, innocent, 699 00:26:03,763 --> 00:26:05,496 "Hey, we want to help you guys meet up" thing 700 00:26:05,565 --> 00:26:07,998 doesn't seem to be inspiring them. 701 00:26:08,067 --> 00:26:10,634 - You could send a video on Snapchat. 702 00:26:10,703 --> 00:26:12,036 - Right. We could also send a video. 703 00:26:12,104 --> 00:26:13,203 - 'Cause maybe they think it's fake. 704 00:26:13,272 --> 00:26:14,438 - That has happened, 705 00:26:14,507 --> 00:26:16,206 where people thought I was lying, 706 00:26:16,275 --> 00:26:18,175 and I'm not actually me. 707 00:26:18,244 --> 00:26:20,344 Let's do a Snapchat video. 708 00:26:23,215 --> 00:26:24,982 Hey, Jordan, 709 00:26:25,051 --> 00:26:28,686 it's Nev and Kamie, and we're, like we said earlier, 710 00:26:28,754 --> 00:26:31,522 filming an episode of "Catfish" right now. 711 00:26:31,591 --> 00:26:34,825 And we are trying to connect you with Kailan. 712 00:26:34,894 --> 00:26:37,328 We know you guys have been friends for a long time 713 00:26:37,396 --> 00:26:39,730 and you both a lot to each other, 714 00:26:39,799 --> 00:26:41,632 so we just thought this would be a great opportunity 715 00:26:41,701 --> 00:26:45,502 to finally let you guys talk and see each other. 716 00:26:45,571 --> 00:26:48,539 And she's here now also and wants to say a few things. 717 00:26:50,009 --> 00:26:52,409 - Hey, Jordan. 718 00:26:52,478 --> 00:26:54,745 We just trying to get in contact with you. 719 00:26:54,814 --> 00:26:56,547 I think it's time for us to actually meet 720 00:26:56,616 --> 00:26:59,950 and see what's been going on. 721 00:27:00,019 --> 00:27:01,452 That's all I got to say. 722 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,387 - Great. Actually, it ended right there. 723 00:27:03,456 --> 00:27:04,822 Okay, so I think that was pretty good... 724 00:27:04,890 --> 00:27:05,889 - Yeah. I think so. 725 00:27:05,958 --> 00:27:07,224 - And felt very genuine and honest. 726 00:27:07,293 --> 00:27:08,425 - Yeah. 727 00:27:08,494 --> 00:27:09,893 - All right, I'm gonna press send. 728 00:27:09,962 --> 00:27:12,029 Is that cool? All right. 729 00:27:12,098 --> 00:27:13,430 - Sent. Delivered. 730 00:27:13,499 --> 00:27:14,832 - Oh, it says sent and delivered. 731 00:27:14,900 --> 00:27:16,233 - Okay. 732 00:27:16,302 --> 00:27:18,035 - Whatever it is they have to reveal or tell you, 733 00:27:18,104 --> 00:27:19,603 it's pretty obvious 734 00:27:19,672 --> 00:27:22,740 that this is the best chance they're gonna get to do that. 735 00:27:22,808 --> 00:27:25,009 If, at this point, they still can't recognize that, 736 00:27:25,077 --> 00:27:26,310 at the very least, 737 00:27:26,379 --> 00:27:28,445 they owe it to you to be honest with you, 738 00:27:28,514 --> 00:27:30,214 even if it means doing something that, you know, 739 00:27:30,282 --> 00:27:32,149 will negatively affect them, 740 00:27:32,218 --> 00:27:34,451 then you really have to question how much they care 741 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,487 about your feelings. 742 00:27:36,555 --> 00:27:39,289 Oh, it says opened. - Ooh! 743 00:27:39,358 --> 00:27:40,424 - So she's watching it right now-- 744 00:27:40,493 --> 00:27:42,760 he's watching it right now. 745 00:27:42,828 --> 00:27:45,295 - New chat! - Oh. We got a chat. 746 00:27:45,364 --> 00:27:47,131 - [laughs excitedly] - All right. 747 00:27:47,199 --> 00:27:49,066 Okay. New chat. Ready? 748 00:27:49,135 --> 00:27:50,367 - Nope. 749 00:27:52,304 --> 00:27:53,704 - What? 750 00:27:53,773 --> 00:27:54,972 Is that what he calls you? "Kay"? 751 00:27:55,041 --> 00:27:57,141 - Yeah. - No problem, Kay. I'll do it. 752 00:27:57,209 --> 00:28:00,310 So he's responding sort of to you in the video. 753 00:28:00,379 --> 00:28:02,413 Which is good, right? 754 00:28:02,481 --> 00:28:05,249 Just so casual. Okay, great. 755 00:28:05,317 --> 00:28:09,319 "We are all in a Zoom right now." 756 00:28:09,388 --> 00:28:12,556 - Oh, my God. It's getting hot. 757 00:28:12,625 --> 00:28:14,925 - "I'll text you the link." 758 00:28:14,994 --> 00:28:16,326 - Y'all don't understand. 759 00:28:16,395 --> 00:28:19,096 Like... my heart is in my stomach, 760 00:28:19,165 --> 00:28:21,699 and is, like, beating. Is that a butterfly? 761 00:28:21,767 --> 00:28:25,335 - All right, so now I've sent the Zoom link on both Snapchat 762 00:28:25,404 --> 00:28:27,104 and the text message. 763 00:28:27,173 --> 00:28:28,839 - Is it gonna be Tahj? 764 00:28:28,908 --> 00:28:31,809 - Well, it could also just be someone totally random. 765 00:28:31,877 --> 00:28:33,110 - Right. 766 00:28:33,179 --> 00:28:38,148 - At any moment, Jordan might just join the Zoom. 767 00:28:38,217 --> 00:28:41,485 ♪ ♪ 768 00:28:41,554 --> 00:28:42,986 [Zoom notification dings] Oh! 769 00:28:43,055 --> 00:28:46,023 - Oh, [bleep]. 770 00:28:46,092 --> 00:28:47,257 - Hello. Who's there? 771 00:28:47,326 --> 00:28:49,460 [intense music] 772 00:28:52,498 --> 00:28:56,767 oment, Jordan might just join the Zoom. 773 00:28:56,836 --> 00:28:59,036 [tense music] 774 00:28:59,105 --> 00:29:01,071 [Zoom notification dings] Oh! 775 00:29:01,140 --> 00:29:03,140 - Oh, [bleep]. 776 00:29:04,610 --> 00:29:06,577 - Hello. Who's there? 777 00:29:06,645 --> 00:29:10,013 [dramatic music] 778 00:29:10,082 --> 00:29:11,548 Oh. 779 00:29:11,617 --> 00:29:14,818 - Hi. - Who is this guy? 780 00:29:14,887 --> 00:29:17,755 - Oh, [bleep]. - What the hell? 781 00:29:17,823 --> 00:29:20,190 You gotta be kidding me. 782 00:29:20,259 --> 00:29:22,259 Just casually sits down. This is--wait. 783 00:29:22,328 --> 00:29:24,495 Just hold on a second. It can't be this simple. 784 00:29:24,563 --> 00:29:25,729 - No, no, no, no, no. 785 00:29:25,798 --> 00:29:26,997 - Oh, [bleep]. 786 00:29:27,066 --> 00:29:30,000 - Okay, Jordan? That's you, right? 787 00:29:30,069 --> 00:29:33,036 - It's me. Completely me. 788 00:29:33,105 --> 00:29:35,906 - So hello. - Nice to meet you guys. 789 00:29:35,975 --> 00:29:39,576 - Nice to meet you. - Hello. 790 00:29:39,645 --> 00:29:41,678 - So can you explain why... 791 00:29:41,747 --> 00:29:45,048 why it took this long to meet up 792 00:29:45,117 --> 00:29:46,984 and why we are even involved, 793 00:29:47,052 --> 00:29:50,020 when it doesn't seem that we need to be? 794 00:29:50,089 --> 00:29:53,390 - Honestly, I would say, over the last--what, 795 00:29:53,459 --> 00:29:56,693 over the last decade, 796 00:29:56,762 --> 00:29:58,128 a lot of growth... 797 00:29:58,197 --> 00:30:00,464 a lot of growth between me and Kay, 798 00:30:00,533 --> 00:30:03,333 and I would say that I never really had enough time. 799 00:30:03,402 --> 00:30:07,104 You know, I've been busy focusing on myself 800 00:30:07,173 --> 00:30:09,306 in regards to investments and stocks. 801 00:30:09,375 --> 00:30:12,543 So it's really my goal to, like, make sure 802 00:30:12,611 --> 00:30:14,311 that I have financial freedom, 803 00:30:14,380 --> 00:30:17,915 and I never had time to balance a relationship 804 00:30:17,983 --> 00:30:20,484 and then try to go after my goals as well. 805 00:30:20,553 --> 00:30:23,320 It just didn't mix up as well together. 806 00:30:23,389 --> 00:30:26,657 - Okay. Uh... 807 00:30:26,725 --> 00:30:27,724 - So you're saying we didn't link 808 00:30:27,793 --> 00:30:29,092 because of your job, right? 809 00:30:29,161 --> 00:30:31,195 - That would be correct. Due to, you know, 810 00:30:31,263 --> 00:30:34,231 trying to get to the next step in finances, for sure. 811 00:30:34,300 --> 00:30:35,699 - Okay. 812 00:30:35,768 --> 00:30:37,768 I'm trying to get to the next step in finances as well. 813 00:30:37,837 --> 00:30:40,103 But I'm still sitting here trying to make time for you. 814 00:30:40,172 --> 00:30:41,405 So... 815 00:30:41,473 --> 00:30:43,941 - I would say, in regards to, like, pursuing things, 816 00:30:44,009 --> 00:30:46,877 I feel like, you know, we've only gone so far, 817 00:30:46,946 --> 00:30:49,112 mainly because we haven't seen each other. 818 00:30:49,181 --> 00:30:51,415 - Well, but she's tried to, right? 819 00:30:51,483 --> 00:30:53,116 - Um... 820 00:30:53,185 --> 00:30:56,954 yes, Kailan has tried. But I've been very busy. 821 00:30:57,022 --> 00:30:58,288 I would say, for those reasons, 822 00:30:58,357 --> 00:31:01,491 you know, it's unmotivating, I should say. 823 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,393 - I don't know. You seem pretty motivated 824 00:31:03,462 --> 00:31:06,897 in your text messages to Kailan about being with her. 825 00:31:06,966 --> 00:31:08,098 - Giving her some [bleep]. 826 00:31:08,167 --> 00:31:10,467 - Having sex with her. 827 00:31:10,536 --> 00:31:13,570 You can't meet up with her for an afternoon in Orlando 828 00:31:13,639 --> 00:31:15,305 or get on a FaceTime call? 829 00:31:15,374 --> 00:31:19,643 - So the best way to put it is literally, once again, 830 00:31:19,712 --> 00:31:21,211 I've been very busy. 831 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,614 In regards to meeting up, it was completely 832 00:31:23,682 --> 00:31:26,316 out of the question, 'cause I work six days a week, 833 00:31:26,385 --> 00:31:28,418 so there's no way for me to just go ahead 834 00:31:28,487 --> 00:31:30,554 and take a flight to wherever she is. 835 00:31:30,623 --> 00:31:33,657 - I know, but you said--when she came to Orlando, 836 00:31:33,726 --> 00:31:35,158 you said, "We'll meet up." 837 00:31:35,227 --> 00:31:38,161 - Well, are you in Orlando is the question. 838 00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:40,931 - So currently, I'm in Orlando right now. Yes. 839 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,799 I just feel like we never-- 840 00:31:42,868 --> 00:31:44,368 we never really planned it out. 841 00:31:44,436 --> 00:31:48,038 - We did plan it. - Okay. So we did plan it. 842 00:31:48,107 --> 00:31:50,107 But once again, though, like, me being busy, 843 00:31:50,175 --> 00:31:52,843 I feel like it just wasn't able to work out. 844 00:31:52,912 --> 00:31:56,847 - So you can't give me, like, five minutes of your time? 845 00:31:56,916 --> 00:31:58,982 Even with, like, a quick FaceTime call? 846 00:31:59,051 --> 00:32:00,350 I'm pretty sure if you work 847 00:32:00,419 --> 00:32:03,420 six days a week, you have a day off. 848 00:32:03,489 --> 00:32:04,955 - Sometimes I don't feel like I have enough time 849 00:32:05,024 --> 00:32:06,690 for my own family. 850 00:32:06,759 --> 00:32:08,725 So it's not just you. It's not. 851 00:32:08,794 --> 00:32:11,962 - Wait, so--and you-- - Even though--sorry, Nev. 852 00:32:12,031 --> 00:32:16,099 Even though I work 12 hours a day, 853 00:32:16,168 --> 00:32:18,802 seven days a week on some Sundays, 854 00:32:18,871 --> 00:32:21,138 with three kids, 855 00:32:21,206 --> 00:32:24,041 you still don't have one second for me? 856 00:32:24,109 --> 00:32:26,810 - I mean, when you put it like that, 857 00:32:26,879 --> 00:32:29,513 it sounds--it sounds crazy. 858 00:32:29,581 --> 00:32:32,883 But overall, for my work schedule, 859 00:32:32,952 --> 00:32:35,018 it just doesn't work out. 860 00:32:35,087 --> 00:32:36,219 - I'm curious about your work schedule. 861 00:32:36,288 --> 00:32:38,021 How--what is your job? 862 00:32:38,090 --> 00:32:40,891 - So I'm currently a salesman for solar. 863 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,793 - So that's, like, your day job. 864 00:32:42,861 --> 00:32:44,061 - Yes. 865 00:32:44,129 --> 00:32:46,997 And the other job would be me going ahead 866 00:32:47,066 --> 00:32:48,832 to do my investments. 867 00:32:48,901 --> 00:32:51,501 So it takes a lot of time. 868 00:32:51,570 --> 00:32:54,137 I just really--I didn't have time to go ahead 869 00:32:54,206 --> 00:32:55,605 and just take a vacation. 870 00:32:55,674 --> 00:32:57,975 And I'm not trying to, like, lead you on or anything. 871 00:32:58,043 --> 00:33:00,243 Every time we talk, it's always a spark. 872 00:33:00,312 --> 00:33:03,914 So I feel like that's one thing that I hold on to, 873 00:33:03,983 --> 00:33:05,682 and I don't want to let that go. 874 00:33:05,751 --> 00:33:07,050 - Right. 875 00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:09,252 But we do have some sort of simple questions 876 00:33:09,321 --> 00:33:10,887 that we need to get answered, 877 00:33:10,956 --> 00:33:13,357 because we were very confused by some things that we found. 878 00:33:13,425 --> 00:33:16,293 So when we looked up your phone number, 879 00:33:16,362 --> 00:33:18,996 we found it was connected to a girl named Tahj Hammel. 880 00:33:19,064 --> 00:33:20,664 Do you know who that is? 881 00:33:20,733 --> 00:33:22,366 - No. 882 00:33:22,434 --> 00:33:24,801 - But I'm a little confused. Because that's not your name. 883 00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:26,436 - It is. - It is your name. 884 00:33:26,505 --> 00:33:28,071 - Yeah. It is. 885 00:33:28,140 --> 00:33:30,374 - So-so, is Jordan also your name? 886 00:33:30,442 --> 00:33:31,641 - No. No. 887 00:33:31,710 --> 00:33:34,644 So Jordan is my nickname. People who are--like, 888 00:33:34,713 --> 00:33:36,913 know me personally, you'll call me Tahj, 889 00:33:36,982 --> 00:33:39,016 'cause you know me on that basis. 890 00:33:39,084 --> 00:33:40,617 But other than that, though, if you know me 891 00:33:40,686 --> 00:33:43,253 in the virtual world, you most likely call me Jordan. 892 00:33:43,322 --> 00:33:44,354 - But wouldn't you consider 893 00:33:44,423 --> 00:33:46,690 your connection/friendship with Kay 894 00:33:46,759 --> 00:33:51,028 to be close enough to tell her your, you know, real name? 895 00:33:51,096 --> 00:33:52,596 - There was no need to change anything, 896 00:33:52,664 --> 00:33:54,231 'cause I feel like certain relationships, 897 00:33:54,299 --> 00:33:56,166 they don't get beyond the internet. 898 00:33:56,235 --> 00:33:59,136 So it's like, why tell you my personal information 899 00:33:59,204 --> 00:34:02,939 if we're not even gonna carry along to that further extent? 900 00:34:03,008 --> 00:34:05,976 - Like 12 years, for example? 901 00:34:06,045 --> 00:34:07,644 Yeah. 902 00:34:07,713 --> 00:34:11,415 - So you were going to let me fly out there, 903 00:34:11,483 --> 00:34:13,383 with me knowing your virtual name? 904 00:34:13,452 --> 00:34:15,685 - I'm pretty secretive upon certain things. 905 00:34:15,754 --> 00:34:21,191 And I wouldn't say that this is a huge secret of me being Tahj, 906 00:34:21,260 --> 00:34:24,027 but it's like a, if you know, you know, 907 00:34:24,096 --> 00:34:25,562 and if you don't, you just don't. 908 00:34:25,631 --> 00:34:29,166 - Okay, and I think when we called you earlier, 909 00:34:29,234 --> 00:34:31,368 it sounded like a girl answered the phone. 910 00:34:31,437 --> 00:34:33,470 - Yeah. That's just my friend. 911 00:34:33,539 --> 00:34:35,005 - Okay. 912 00:34:35,074 --> 00:34:37,007 Is that something you do often? 913 00:34:37,076 --> 00:34:38,308 - What do you mean? 914 00:34:38,377 --> 00:34:39,776 - Have a friend answer the phone? 915 00:34:39,845 --> 00:34:42,879 I was just curious. In this case, it was a woman. 916 00:34:43,515 --> 00:34:45,882 - Well, I mean, at the time she picked up the phone, 917 00:34:45,951 --> 00:34:47,384 so there's not much to say. 918 00:34:47,453 --> 00:34:49,219 It's not something that's regular. 919 00:34:49,288 --> 00:34:51,822 - But if she's gonna answer your phone, 920 00:34:51,890 --> 00:34:54,758 and then I come on and say, "Hey, is Jordan there," 921 00:34:54,827 --> 00:34:56,626 wouldn't the next thing you'd say be, 922 00:34:56,695 --> 00:34:59,162 "Yeah, hold on," or "Who's calling?" 923 00:34:59,231 --> 00:35:00,530 - We said Jordan or Tahj. - Right. 924 00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:02,265 - Right. I even said that. Right. 925 00:35:02,334 --> 00:35:04,167 - So she would probably know you by either name, 926 00:35:04,236 --> 00:35:06,570 and still hung up the phone. 927 00:35:06,638 --> 00:35:09,206 - So I mean, I'm not sure when you guys called, 928 00:35:09,274 --> 00:35:11,074 but at the time, I just was not there. 929 00:35:11,143 --> 00:35:12,342 That's the best way to explain it. 930 00:35:15,380 --> 00:35:17,948 - I want you to be real with me. 931 00:35:18,016 --> 00:35:19,649 - I feel like I've been real. 932 00:35:19,718 --> 00:35:23,386 But in certain areas, I haven't been transparent with you. 933 00:35:23,455 --> 00:35:25,522 - Yeah, that sounds like bull[bleep]. 934 00:35:25,591 --> 00:35:27,824 - You've had a relationship with Kailan for 12 years. 935 00:35:27,893 --> 00:35:31,094 It's okay to tell her the truth about what's been going on. 936 00:35:31,163 --> 00:35:33,563 - So let me talk. You done? - No. 937 00:35:33,632 --> 00:35:35,265 We're not done until you tell us 938 00:35:35,334 --> 00:35:37,601 who that girl on the phone really was. 939 00:35:39,538 --> 00:35:41,338 - You've had a relationship with Kailan for 12 years. 940 00:35:41,406 --> 00:35:43,573 It's okay to tell her the truth about what's been going on. 941 00:35:43,642 --> 00:35:45,242 - So let me talk. You done? 942 00:35:45,310 --> 00:35:47,878 - No. We're not done until you tell us 943 00:35:47,946 --> 00:35:50,080 who that girl on the phone really was. 944 00:35:50,149 --> 00:35:51,948 - I guess you could say the girl 945 00:35:52,017 --> 00:35:55,452 who answered the phone is, like, my girlfriend. 946 00:35:55,521 --> 00:35:57,354 - Finally. The truth comes out. 947 00:35:57,422 --> 00:36:01,124 You understand how, like, [bleep] all of this sounds. 948 00:36:01,193 --> 00:36:04,161 Like, it sounds really bad. 949 00:36:04,229 --> 00:36:08,098 - It wouldn't sound bad if you just told me straight up. 950 00:36:08,167 --> 00:36:11,468 - When were you gonna tell her that you had a girlfriend? 951 00:36:11,537 --> 00:36:13,370 - Oh. Hmm. 952 00:36:13,438 --> 00:36:15,772 Well, honestly, we just made things official 953 00:36:15,841 --> 00:36:17,307 maybe, like, a month ago. 954 00:36:17,376 --> 00:36:21,144 So I mean, I probably wasn't gonna say anything 955 00:36:21,213 --> 00:36:23,079 for some time, honestly. Like-- 956 00:36:23,148 --> 00:36:25,515 - So you've got time is what you're saying. 957 00:36:25,584 --> 00:36:26,917 - Nah, I don't have time. 958 00:36:26,985 --> 00:36:29,252 - You so smart, then you sound so... 959 00:36:29,321 --> 00:36:32,355 - [laughing quietly] - Dumb. 960 00:36:32,424 --> 00:36:35,091 - The vibe you're giving off right now is, like, 961 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:36,726 "Hey, you know, I've been busy. 962 00:36:36,795 --> 00:36:38,061 "Sorry. I'm just--I work so hard. 963 00:36:38,130 --> 00:36:39,563 You know, I gotta get that money." 964 00:36:39,631 --> 00:36:40,630 But, like-- - Yeah. 965 00:36:40,699 --> 00:36:42,065 - But even if that's true, 966 00:36:42,134 --> 00:36:43,800 it still makes you sound like an asshole, 967 00:36:43,869 --> 00:36:46,203 because you're the one who made it seem 968 00:36:46,271 --> 00:36:47,938 as though you're very interested in her 969 00:36:48,006 --> 00:36:49,506 and wanted more of a relationship. 970 00:36:49,575 --> 00:36:51,374 But I guess you didn't really ever think you were gonna 971 00:36:51,443 --> 00:36:54,578 meet up with her anyway, so it was just sort of fun. 972 00:36:54,646 --> 00:36:57,781 - So I'm so happy that you said that last point, 973 00:36:57,849 --> 00:36:59,316 'cause that goes for most people 974 00:36:59,384 --> 00:37:01,351 that I meet in the virtual world. 975 00:37:01,420 --> 00:37:05,155 - So with that being said, how many other people 976 00:37:05,224 --> 00:37:08,625 are you talking to the way that you're talking to Kailan? 977 00:37:08,694 --> 00:37:11,394 - Uh... [exhales] 978 00:37:11,463 --> 00:37:13,330 that's tough to say. 979 00:37:13,398 --> 00:37:15,932 - He gotta think. - Honestly, like... 980 00:37:16,001 --> 00:37:19,169 maybe three. 981 00:37:19,238 --> 00:37:22,472 - You have four relationships going on right now. 982 00:37:22,541 --> 00:37:25,108 - Sorry, but the number sounds so misconstrued. 983 00:37:25,177 --> 00:37:28,144 I would say-- - I think it's basic math. 984 00:37:28,213 --> 00:37:32,182 - Sounds basic to me. - Three plus one equals four. 985 00:37:32,251 --> 00:37:34,084 - Mm. Mm. 986 00:37:34,152 --> 00:37:37,887 - Kailan, I don't know what to tell you, sweetie. 987 00:37:37,956 --> 00:37:39,489 This ain't gonna work out. 988 00:37:39,558 --> 00:37:42,192 I'ma tell you that right now. It's not gonna happen. 989 00:37:42,261 --> 00:37:46,129 - I would--I would rather him be somebody else. 990 00:37:46,198 --> 00:37:49,065 - Maybe you guys caught, like, an asshole vibe from me, 991 00:37:49,134 --> 00:37:51,034 but I'm sure you guys have ran into the situations 992 00:37:51,103 --> 00:37:53,103 as to where you put something on pause, 993 00:37:53,171 --> 00:37:55,538 and then you maybe came back to it in the future. 994 00:37:55,607 --> 00:37:56,806 We've all done it. So. 995 00:37:56,875 --> 00:37:58,341 - Which would all be well and good 996 00:37:58,410 --> 00:38:01,344 if you just relayed that information to Kailan 997 00:38:01,413 --> 00:38:04,147 instead of talking about marriage and children 998 00:38:04,216 --> 00:38:06,049 and wanting to put a baby inside of her. 999 00:38:06,118 --> 00:38:07,384 - I feel like, right now, 1000 00:38:07,452 --> 00:38:09,753 things don't align up for us to be together. 1001 00:38:09,821 --> 00:38:14,691 'Cause you have three kids, and I don't see myself, like, 1002 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:19,162 actually tying down and being the stepfather role regardless, 1003 00:38:19,231 --> 00:38:21,398 to be truthful with you. I don't know. 1004 00:38:21,466 --> 00:38:24,701 But I think that's a really great way for me to explain it. 1005 00:38:24,770 --> 00:38:26,770 - I have a headache. 1006 00:38:26,838 --> 00:38:30,874 I just feel like you sound like every guy that's out here. 1007 00:38:30,942 --> 00:38:33,977 And I looked at you different. 1008 00:38:34,046 --> 00:38:36,079 Every other guy wants to [bleep], 1009 00:38:36,148 --> 00:38:39,649 don't want to be there for me and my children. 1010 00:38:39,718 --> 00:38:41,151 Don't bring my kids in it. 1011 00:38:41,219 --> 00:38:42,919 If you already knew 1012 00:38:42,988 --> 00:38:45,188 that you didn't have no future with me, 1013 00:38:45,257 --> 00:38:47,857 don't make my kids the excuse. 1014 00:38:47,926 --> 00:38:49,459 You should have just been real 1015 00:38:49,528 --> 00:38:53,063 as far as not putting things in my head 1016 00:38:53,131 --> 00:38:55,265 as to think there is a future. 1017 00:38:55,334 --> 00:38:58,768 You got a girl? I want you to focus on that. 1018 00:38:58,837 --> 00:39:02,505 - If you want for girls not to think that you're an asshole, 1019 00:39:02,574 --> 00:39:04,541 don't be giving off that [bleep]-boy energy. 1020 00:39:04,609 --> 00:39:07,077 Don't make promises that you know you can't keep, 1021 00:39:07,145 --> 00:39:10,180 and don't say anything that you don't actually mean. 1022 00:39:10,248 --> 00:39:12,215 - Don't start telling girls that you want to put 1023 00:39:12,284 --> 00:39:15,251 a baby up inside them when you don't want to do that. 1024 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,654 - If you are inside of a woman and you have the feeling, 1025 00:39:17,723 --> 00:39:20,123 "I want to put a baby in her," pull the [bleep] out. 1026 00:39:20,192 --> 00:39:21,758 Pull out immediately. - Right. 1027 00:39:21,827 --> 00:39:23,760 - Pull out immediately. Get out. 1028 00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:26,730 - Kailan, anything you want to say to Jordan right now 1029 00:39:26,798 --> 00:39:30,166 before we say goodbye to him? 1030 00:39:30,235 --> 00:39:31,835 - You have a lot of growing to do. 1031 00:39:31,903 --> 00:39:35,205 You've grown, but you have a lot of growing to do. 1032 00:39:36,641 --> 00:39:37,974 - Okay. 1033 00:39:38,043 --> 00:39:40,076 Hey, thank you guys. Have a great day. 1034 00:39:40,145 --> 00:39:41,478 - [smooches] - Okay. 1035 00:39:41,546 --> 00:39:42,979 - [flatly] You too. [smooches] 1036 00:39:43,048 --> 00:39:45,749 - Did he do that? Did he make a kiss sound? 1037 00:39:45,817 --> 00:39:47,684 - [gibbering mockingly] 1038 00:39:47,753 --> 00:39:49,285 Every time he spoke, that's all I heard. 1039 00:39:49,354 --> 00:39:50,720 - No. 1040 00:39:50,789 --> 00:39:52,756 - Blah, blah--why couldn't he have been the woman? 1041 00:39:52,824 --> 00:39:56,860 - Jesus. I'ma let him realize that I was the best bet. 1042 00:39:56,928 --> 00:39:59,996 - Yeah, and he will, at some point, probably realize that. 1043 00:40:00,065 --> 00:40:02,098 - And guess what, even if he doesn't, 1044 00:40:02,167 --> 00:40:05,301 you go about your life with your family, 1045 00:40:05,370 --> 00:40:09,439 and keep creating the future that you want. 1046 00:40:09,508 --> 00:40:12,742 - Anyway, look, it's gonna work out for you for sure. 1047 00:40:12,811 --> 00:40:14,043 - Mm-hmm. 1048 00:40:14,112 --> 00:40:15,779 - This is only going to move you closer 1049 00:40:15,847 --> 00:40:16,980 to where you need to be 1050 00:40:17,048 --> 00:40:18,214 and the person you need to be with. 1051 00:40:18,283 --> 00:40:21,451 - Yep. The book is closed. 1052 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,586 And I really appreciate you guys 1053 00:40:23,655 --> 00:40:25,655 for letting me close this chapter. 1054 00:40:25,724 --> 00:40:27,624 - We got you. - All right, Kailan. 1055 00:40:27,692 --> 00:40:29,359 Take care, all right? We'll talk soon. 1056 00:40:29,428 --> 00:40:30,527 - You too. - Okay? 1057 00:40:30,595 --> 00:40:32,128 - Okay. I'll talk to you guys later. 1058 00:40:32,197 --> 00:40:34,264 See you. Bye. - Bye! 1059 00:40:34,332 --> 00:40:37,934 - ♪ Kick my feet up and take it slow ♪ 1060 00:40:38,003 --> 00:40:39,969 [mellow electronic music] 1061 00:40:40,038 --> 00:40:43,506 ♪ So many places I can go ♪ 1062 00:40:43,575 --> 00:40:45,508 ♪ ♪ 1063 00:40:45,577 --> 00:40:49,145 ♪ I don't need much to make a home ♪ 1064 00:40:51,183 --> 00:40:52,882 - We've got an Instagram model, Diamond. 1065 00:40:52,951 --> 00:40:54,984 She comes across Steve, also big on social media. 1066 00:40:55,053 --> 00:40:57,153 She starts doing whatever she can to get his attention. 1067 00:40:57,222 --> 00:40:58,588 - Some titty pics. 1068 00:40:58,657 --> 00:41:00,990 - So I'm like, wow, this is my soulmate. 1069 00:41:01,059 --> 00:41:03,026 - Oh! They know each other. 1070 00:41:03,094 --> 00:41:04,661 Are we getting [bleep]ed with? 1071 00:41:04,729 --> 00:41:06,896 - I wasn't seeing that coming. - This is about to be dramatic. 1072 00:41:06,965 --> 00:41:08,164 - Shut the [bleep] up.