She was 14.
- Honestly, it's more than just, like,
"Oh, I have a crush on him."
We have a really deep connection.
- Dey has been waiting for this moment for 13 years.
Let's run his phone number.
What?
- No, no!
- Oh, oh, oh, he's typing. - [gasps]
- I'm so nervous. Oh, my God.
[gasps]
[dramatic musical sting]
- We're about to walk in on our new,
finished "Catfish" headquarters.
Go check it out? - I'm scared.
What's it gonna be like? Oh, my God, hey, guys.
- What's up, everyone? - Oh.
I love it.
- My all-time favorite, the trail mix dispenser.
- That's your favorite out of all the snacks you see here?
- Yeah.
- Oh, my God. First office mess.
Is that a good shot? - Very creative.
Let's go, Smalls.
Wow, look at the plant babies. They're all here.
- Two proper desk chairs, look at this.
- We may begin. - All right.
Let's open our email. The subject is "LONG Overdue."
Mm.
"Dear Nev and Kamie, my name is Dey.
"I live in Los Angeles, and I'm writing to you
"because I'm finally in an online relationship
"with someone I've had a crush on for 13 years,
"but we've never met.
"His name is Cody, and he lives in Iowa.
"Cody was a popular YouTuber,
"and I became a huge fan of his content.
"I got obsessed with him
"and eventually started trying to reach out to him.
"We finally connected.
"At first, it was very casual,
"but I was determined to be more than just a fan.
"So about five years ago,
"I searched for his username on Snapchat
and sent him a message."
Snapchat username.
- How do you know? - Might not be the same person.
- How do you know it's the same person?
- Well, let's see what she says.
"To my surprise, he responded,
"and we have been in contact ever since.
More recently though, things have gotten serious."
- ♪ A stolen kiss and a storm beating in my chest ♪
- "We're finally both single,
and he seems to be super into me."
- ♪ Will you love me when we come to our senses? ♪
- "We talk about having a future together.
He even--"
- This is a lot of information. [laughs]
- "He even cancelled his vasectomy
because we want to have kids together one day."
- ♪ Oh, can we make this better or is this real? ♪
- "The problem is that we never video chat
- It's not him. or taIt's not him.ne."
- "I really need your help finding out what's going on.
Hope to hear from you. Dey."
- Hmm. - Let's text Dey.
Yeah, "Omg" is right.
- After 13 years, we need to get Dey up in here,
sit them down, wave these in their face.
- More like Dey-dreaming. - Exactly.
- Hey! - Hey!
- Hi!
- What's up? - Oh, my God, hi.
- Hey, Dey. - Wow, so wait.
So you're in Los--we're in Los Angeles.
Where are you? - Yeah.
- 'Cause I can probably see you from here.
- We're gonna find you. - Turn your lights on and off.
- [laughs] Right now, I'm in Alhambra.
- Oh, a little further away.
- Out. So tell us about yourself.
Have you always lived in L.A.?
- Yes. - Cali girl.
- And how old are you? - 27.
- '90s babies, hey. - Yeah.
- Can't relate.
All right, well, we read your email,
and we definitely feel like there are some...
- I know, I know. - Red flags.
- Everybody thinks there's red flags,
but I am so trusting.
I 100%, like, want to believe that it's real.
- Which Cody are we talking about?
- Cody [bleep]. - Now, we have to Google.
- We gotta look him up. Hold on.
Is this him? Saturn [bleep] films?
- Yeah, he is, like, super artistic
and, like, talented.
He's a photographer. He does film.
Like, everything, you know?
- So how did you find him?
- I was looking up another YouTuber,
and then, at the end of the video,
he said, "Thanks to my editor," who was Cody.
And I just saw him, and I was just like, "He's so cute."
So I would always comment on his page.
He would just generically be like,
"Oh, thanks for the support," that kind of thing.
I ended up finding him on Snapchat
by searching the Saturn [bleep] Films name
that is on his YouTube.
And right after I sent him a message,
he sent me a message back,
and that's how we started talking.
And then, on Snapchat, he talks to me, like,
throughout the day, all the time.
- How do you know that it was his Snapchat?
- I don't know.
I just assumed it was because of the same name,
like, the username that he uses for YouTube.
- I mean, it's a pretty specific--
- It is a specific name. - This was a while ago, right?
- Yeah, this was around, like, 2017.
- Do you still follow him on all his other platforms?
- Yeah.
- And he's never acknowledged you really or DMed you?
- I like his things or, like, I'll comment on his pictures,
but he doesn't acknowledge me.
- That's not good.
- And the thing is, on his Instagram,
he never deletes, like, his ex-girlfriend's pictures,
but there's, like, several ex-girlfriends.
- But no current relationship? - Not that I can tell.
I mean, I'm going based on what,
you know, like, Cody on Snapchat tells me.
- Right. - Mm-hmm.
- But on Snapchat your friendship has been what?
Like, how did it progress?
- Yeah, so we've always been friends,
but everything kind of changed the beginning of the year,
because he was single, I was single.
That's when we started getting a little more close
and really wanting to, like, meet each other.
- I mean, I'll say.
You guys are talking about having kids.
- That just recently started. Like, it recently came up.
It wasn't like we were always talking about having children.
- Does he have kids already? - No.
- So he was thinking about getting a vasectomy
'cause he didn't think he ever wanted to have kids.
- He doesn't want kids, yeah.
- But he's willing to reconsider for you?
- Yeah, that's what he said.
- But he's not willing to get on the phone or FaceTime?
- Exactly, and I've even tried calling, but he won't answer.
- Wait, but so do you have his phone number?
- Yeah.
- Have you talked to him on there?
- No.
- So he's never, in any way,
corresponded with you through the cellphone?
- No. - I have a question.
Why are you putting up with this?
Like, what is it about this person?
I'm confused.
- Honestly, like, it's more than just, like,
"Oh, I have a crush on him, and he's just a random dude."
We have a really deep connection.
- Okay.
- I feel like the main thing is just, like, our mental health.
I am diagnosed schizophrenic,
and it was around 2019 when I was diagnosed.
So I was already talking to him,
and I didn't want to take medication,
and it was all part of my--you know,
my disorder that I had delusions to not take it.
So I talked to him.
He's literally the one that got through.
You know, he said it in a way where I understood.
So then I started taking my medication every day,
and I did notice a difference.
So now every time that I feel good and I'm okay mentally,
I'm like I can't--I would have not been here,
if he wouldn't have helped me then.
- And so especially now that he's going through something--
he was recently diagnosed with a disorder, as well.
He also was like, "I don't want to take meds.
I'm scared," and so he finally got on meds,
and he's been doing really well,
so I feel like we just help each other out, in that way.
- Have you been dealing with this, like,
for as long as you can remember?
- No, I developed it around, like, my 18th birthday.
I started hearing random things
that weren't really there.
There's different types of schizophrenia,
but my specific experience, what I hear,
is kind of like a commentary of my life all the time.
"She's getting off her bed. She's grabbing her phone,"
so everything that I'm doing it's literally being,
like, narrated in a voice...
- Wow. - That's not my own.
- Like intrusive thoughts.
- Yeah, exactly, it's a very intrusive thought,
and it's constant, constant, constant.
So it's just very overwhelming, but luckily, like,
when I am on medication it kind of, like, fades out.
Like, I can just ignore it,
and it's so much less stressful.
- Well, I think it's very brave of you opening up
to us about that.
I can understand why finding someone
who you can connect with about that who understands,
and encourages,
and supports you in that way is really meaningful.
- Yeah.
- And it makes me like this guy,
but it's been 13 years.
He's a filmmaker.
- Yeah. - You're on Snapchat with him.
Can't he just send you pictures?
Does he send you little videos?
- No, so he doesn't send me videos,
but he has sent me, like, pictures.
- Okay.
- But the thing is I watch "Catfish" all the time,
and I know this is one of the things that--ugh.
He'll send me a picture-- - Oh, God, hold on now.
- That he's previously posted, so, like,
he doesn't really send me, like, original, original--
- No new pictures? - No, yeah.
I was like, "I'm going to call 'Catfish,'"
and then he backed off.
He's not the same now. He's standoffish.
- Yeah. - It's a red flag.
I know, trust me.
I know, but I mean even if it's not really him,
I just want to know who I'm talking to,
because it's been a long time.
- Can you plug your phone in
and show us some photos and Snapchat messages?
- I mean, I have some screenshots.
- Here we go. - Oh, he's cute.
- Oh, and then this is where the first time he ever said...
- Oh. - He loved me.
He said, "I do love you, dummy."
- Had you said it to him before?
- Not before then, no.
- Who is this?
- That's his mom.
- Oh, his mom.
- All right, well, look. Clearly, something's going on.
- There is a piece that is missing in this story.
- I just want to, like, put a face
to who I'm speaking to.
Even if it's not the face I thought, I just want to know.
- I feel like we should be able to figure this out.
- I love your confidence. I believe in you.
- Send us an email with the phone number,
anything else you can think of.
- Got it, okay, cool.
- And let us get to work. - Thank you, guys.
- Thanks, Dey. - Bye.
I don't know. It's just--it's weird.
- It's weird.
- Why would this guy be so shady
about talking on the phone or video chatting?
- And why, when she mentioned the fact
that she was gonna contact us, he backs off all of a sudden?
- Dey has been waiting for this moment for 13 years,
and she deserves to know the truth.
- Are you ready?
Are you inviting me to, like-- - Yes.
- Like a thing? We're ready.
- I thought you were gonna give me more of a--
- Oh, okay, all right. Should we try that again?
- No. - [laughs]
- All right, so what do we got? We got Dey.
She found Cody when she was 14 on YouTube,
had a big crush on him,
has been following him ever since.
Then, five years ago,
searches his name on Snapchat, and finds an account,
and they become friends over Snapchat.
But their friendship gets deeper and deeper,
because they open up to each other about
their mental health issues that they're going through.
- Mm-hmm.
- And they develop this real bond.
- Then, earlier this year, things start heating up
and moving in the direction of this could be a thing.
They communicate exclusively on Snapchat.
- Even though she has his number, allegedly.
- But he won't answer a phone call,
and he sent her a handful of photos,
but most of them are just from social media.
- Right, it's not looking great.
- Right, let's first get email. Okay.
"Everything I have on Cody."
"Hey, guys. Thank you so much.
"Attached are the pictures of Cody that I have,
"his number,
and here is all the social media I have for him."
- Okay.
- So I think I just want to look through his Instagram.
All right, so he posted most recently a month ago.
- "Imagine a phobia of doctors.
"to meet a doctor that actually wants to help you.
"He prescribes you something, and your insurance denies it.
"I am in pain. I'm hurting.
Well, whoever Dey is talking to is definitely mirroring a lot
of what Cody is saying on his Instagram.
- Right.
- Who's the girl in this picture?
- Interesting that she's not tagged.
- Yeah. - Ooh, there's a video.
- All right, so it's Valentine's Day, or it was.
That's my girlfriend Lena.
- Lena, his girlfriend.
That's the girl in all the photos.
- All right, so February of this year,
he was spending it with his girlfriend.
There's then lots of posts of her since then,
going back as recently as two months ago.
So the question is have they broken up since?
- We don't even know if this is the Cody that she's talking to.
- Let's go and see who he's following.
- Hope we can find Lena.
- Yeah, is he following Lena? Lena, Lena, there she is.
- Lena! - There she is, Lena Salitto.
- This is definitely her page, but she doesn't have anything.
There's nothing there.
- Yeah, Dey is on his Instagram and sees this.
- Yeah.
- Like, did their friendship only become flirtatious
since this potential breakup?
- She said, at the top of the year.
- That's what I thought.
Let's ask her. What's the deal with Lena?
- Oh.
- She knew he had a girlfriend obviously.
She said it.
Maybe they broke up on Valentine's Day.
- And then, since then,
he's just posted a buttload of pictures of her?
- He likes his art.
- So now let's run his phone number.
What?
And it comes up for Lena Salitto.
- That--no. - That's his ex-girlfriend.
- I know! - Okay, so wait a second.
- No, oh, no! Let's run out the Lena play.
Dey is all over Cody's pages fangirling, doing the most.
- Right, someone sees that.
- Lena had to have had the Saturn [bleep] Snapchat
already created
and had been behind it the entire time.
- And just waited for her to look it up and add it?
She says she actively looked for
and discovered the Snapchat page.
So if the ex is behind this, that's a really long con.
- I don't know, I don't know. - All right, hold on a second.
There's still more in this email
that we haven't looked at.
There's a Facebook.
- "Happy International Women's Day.
I love all the women in my life"--oh, look.
- Look who's there. - Lena and the mom.
Tracy [bleep], message her. - All right.
- She'll know that for sure. "Catfish," never heard of it.
She will know--Moms know "Dancing With the Stars."
- And "Catfish."
Okay, and let's just see what else comes up,
if we Google Saturn [bleep] Films because what is that?
Oh, wait, Cody [bleep], a Tumblr.
Okay, the YouTube. What's Encyclopedia Pwned?
I've never heard of that. What is that?
"Cody [bleep] Saturn [bleep] Films is a god-awful filmmaker
"and an even worse vlogger
"who believes that greed is good.
Like every other atheist, he's a [bleep] apologist."
This is so weird.
- Why so mean? Who wrote this [bleep]?
And do you mean to tell me somebody
who was this [bleep] crazy
and would write this entire thing about Cody
couldn't make a fake Snapchat about him,
so that he doesn't have his page or something like that?
- This whole website is, like, very weird.
- I feel like we're, like, on the dark web.
[phone chimes] - Oh.
There's a phone call from [bleep] Iowa.
Hello?
- Yes, it is. Who's this?
- Thank you for getting back to me so quickly.
Are you familiar with me via my show "Catfish"
or my performance on "Dancing With the Stars"?
- Okay, great. All right, so listen.
I need a little help because a young woman reached out
because she tells us that she has been friends
with your son Cody for a number of years now...
- And that in the last four or five months,
that friendship has become
a bit more flirtatious and intimate.
- Do you know anything about this,
or has Cody mentioned anything like this to you?
- Does he have a girlfriend? - Is he in a relationship?
- Sure, but has he ever mentioned her name?
- Okay, so from what we understand,
he was in a relationship with Lena for a while there.
- But that ended this year?
- So then, rather than you telling us Cody's Snapchat,
if I tell you the name we have,
you can just say whether or not that's his or not.
- The Snapchat name that she has is Saturn [bleep] Films.
- Right, as far as you know,
he only has one Snapchat account,
and it's not Saturn [bleep] Films?
- Got it.
- Okay. - Thank you.
- Bye-bye.
- Okay, so from that phone call,
we have to assume Dey is not talking to Cody.
- Mm-hmm. - It's not his Snapchat.
- Right, and somebody who knows him could be
impersonating him talking to poor Dey.
Whoever made that website
about Cody has it out for him.
- I don't know.
This whole thing just keeps getting murkier,
and stranger, and scarier.
I don't think it's Lena.
I have a feeling that this is some weird person
on the internet who has it out for him,
who likes to mess with him, who's taken it way too far,
and that Dey might have just gotten caught up in it.
- There she is. - Good morning.
- Potato chips, want one?
- No, thank you.
- Do I want chips? - No.
- Kind of, it's a little salty.
- I think you just want a crunch,
or do you just want a salty taste?
[upbeat music]
You [bleep] mother [bleep].
Oh, my God.
I was like, "Who bought these ghetto chips?"
You know what? I should have known.
- Assault-y snack.
All right, so look.
We know Dey is not talking to Cody,
unless, of course, his mom is lying to us,
and it's all some weird coverup.
- I think we should reach out to Cody.
- Oh. - The fake Cody.
I mean let's at least look at the Saturn [bleep] Films
Snapchat that Dey has been talking to.
- Cody Danger [bleep]?
- Well, let's see if Cody Danger [bleep]
comes up anywhere else.
- Isn't that Cody right there? - I think it could be.
- Cody [bleep] underscore.
- My name is Cody [bleep]. I hate--whoa.
- This is--yes.
This matches the other weird-ass page about him.
It has all the racist [bleep]. - This is a troll.
- Yeah, super racist.
Wow, they're really trying to get him in trouble.
- Yeah, writing all these things as quotes from Cody.
- Yeah, this is pretty aggressive.
- Clearly, somebody is trying to get at Cody.
- Yes.
- Unless this is somebody else who hates him,
and this is not the same person.
- Okay, so Cody clearly has an enemy.
- I think that somebody who has been after Cody for a long time
has been behind the scenes trying to meddle in his world
and in his life
and somehow knows his girlfriend's
or ex-girlfriend's number and decided to give it to Dey
because they knew that Dey would then text it.
And then that would cause strife in Cody's relationship.
- Right, but it didn't. - How do we know?
- 'Cause she texted the number, and they never responded.
- Yeah, 'cause it was Lena, and she was like,
"What the [bleep]?"
And she probably sent it to Cody
and was like, "What is this?" and then they broke up.
- I don't know. Something seems wrong.
- Cody has way more enemies.
There's a lot going on with him behind the scenes.
- All right, let's text her.
- We got something for you.
[computer chimes] - Oh.
Hi. - Hi, how are you?
- What's up? - Not much, just anxious.
I'm excited and nervous.
- We're nervous as well. - Really?
That doesn't sound good.
- Let us walk you through the sort of path that we went down.
- Okay.
- All right, so we went to his Instagram, and obviously,
there's this girl, and I think you already know--
- Yeah. - This girl.
- Yeah, his ex-girlfriend.
- Right. This is Lena. - Yeah.
- You said that they broke up sometime, I guess,
at the top of the year,
but he's been posting her a lot.
- Like, after they broke up, yeah.
- Well, he posted this video-- - Yeah.
- On the day after Valentine's Day.
Have you watched this video? - I don't think so.
- As of Valentine's Day this year,
they were very much together.
- And he says in the video "my girlfriend."
- But this is on his Instagram. You follow it.
Like, he wasn't hiding this from you.
- No he wasn't, but most of like--when
I ask him about pictures or, like, anything
about his ex-girlfriend,
he says that they're old photos.
But I mean seeing this and then the February 14th?
Yeah.
- Well, before you put too much into this,
we're not even sure you're talking to this guy.
- Okay.
- So here's where it gets weird.
When we ran the phone number
that Cody gave you, it came up registered to Lena.
- What? - Cody's ex.
- So could she be the one that's, like, texting me?
- We started trying to figure out how that would make sense.
You haven't had any interaction with her, have you?
- No, never. We have never spoken, never.
- 'Cause maybe she and Cody were breaking up,
and she saw that Cody and you were friends, and she was like,
"Oh, this girl's, you know, messing with my man.
I'm gonna mess with her."
- Oh, my gosh.
- But then it doesn't make sense either
because you added the Snapchat.
It's not like they added you. - Yeah.
- Right. - Or found you.
- Yeah.
- And they've been nothing but nice to you.
- Yeah, that's very confusing. That makes no sense.
- It doesn't make any sense.
We then continued and found his mom.
- Yeah.
- So we were like, "Okay. Let's talk to the mom.
Maybe she can help make some sense out of this."
She called us. - She did?
- And I said, "Okay, well, here's what's up.
"We're trying to help this girl.
"She says she's been talking to your son.
Is your son in a relationship?"
And she said, as far as she knew--
- He was not in a relationship. - Right.
- But she said he does have someone that he's talking to.
- Oh.
- And so I said, "Is his Snapchat Saturn [bleep] Films?"
And she said, "No, that's not the Snapchat I have for him."
- Really?
- But obviously, at that moment, we got concerned.
- Mm-hmm.
- If that's not his Snapchat account,
who are you talking to?
- Yeah. That's the big question.
- The next thing we did was just a Google search
for Saturn [bleep] Films,
and it took us to something called Encyclopedia Pwned.
Have you ever heard of that? - No.
- So if you read this, it says,
"Saturn [bleep] Films, AKA Cody [bleep],
"is a god-awful filmmaker and an even worse vlogger
"who believes that greed is good.
Like every other atheist, he's a [bleep] apologist."
- Wow.
- I mean it's just a lot of trash talk about Cody.
- Wow.
- So then today we went back to the Snapchat
that you gave us for Saturn [bleep] Films.
- Oh, right.
- His name on Snapchat says, "Cody Danger [bleep]."
And so we were like, "Oh, let's search that,
and see if anything comes up," and it did.
- It brings up a super racist Twitter page.
- What? - You can read this.
- Wow.
- Obviously, we don't think that this is the real Cody.
Someone impersonating Cody made this Twitter in his name.
- To try to get him in trouble.
- Yes, and then used the hashtag "Black Lives Matter."
- Well, right. - Like, the audacity.
- Well, and to then credit the tweet to him.
- Wow.
- And hashtag it so that it would show up
in trending topics for Black Lives Matter,
clearly trying to start controversy
and create a problem for Cody.
- That's insane, yeah.
- Coming off of the Encyclopedia Pwned
and then seeing this, it became clear to us
that obviously there is someone who really doesn't like Cody.
- Right, but why would they--like,
that's such an obsession.
He tells me that a lot of people don't like him
but never really why or,
like, what he's done on his part, you know?
- Mm-hmm. - I don't know.
I feel super confused. My heart's pounding.
Like, I'm so overwhelmed.
There's just so much going on,
and if it's not him, like, who is it?
- What concerns me is the fact
that you have been talking to this person
and sharing deep things about your personal life
and the things that you're going through.
- Very deep things, yeah. - Very deep things.
- And very personal, mm-hmm.
- And who the [bleep]--if you're [bleep] with someone,
who does that?
- Right, yeah. That's really messed up.
Right now, honestly, I feel like this person, to me,
is just, like, a stranger.
It's just like now
I just feel like there's a good possibility of Cody
not being the person that I was talking to.
- ♪ It'll never be the same ♪
- The hate websites, the Twitter,
and then that language, it's insane.
Who am I talking to? Who is he?
- ♪ I gave you all my love to date ♪
- So I'm scared and upset, just really confused.
- ♪ Reaching for a hand to hold ♪
♪ From a wild animal ♪
- Are you still feeling hopeful that it could be the real Cody?
- Honestly, at this point, no.
- ♪ Antidote, antidote ♪
- I just feel like somebody's messing with me.
- ♪ Antidote ♪
- How you doing? How you feeling?
- It's just like now I feel like the possibility of Cody
not being the person that I was talking to is,
like, setting in, you know?
But I still want to know who it is I'm talking to,
even if it's not him.
- So if this is not the real Cody,
you're still willing to keep a relationship with this person?
- I mean, I'm not sure about a relationship,
just because making me believe that you're Cody,
you know, for this long, that's a huge lie,
but I at least want to know what their intentions were.
Like, what did they get out of this?
But I feel like I should tell you guys something.
- Oh, God.
- Earlier this year in January, I got married.
- Oh. - Are you married?
- I'm currently married,
but I'm in the process of getting a divorce.
It was super rushed.
It was with somebody
that I'd only been dating for about four months.
- Okay, and does Cody know about all this?
- No.
- Dey.
- So but you were talking to Cody very much
while you had just been married, and--
- Yeah, so right after I got married,
I knew that I had made a mistake.
So now, we're in the process of getting a divorce,
and we have been for since, like, March,
so it wasn't that long.
Like, right when I started talking to Cody,
I had already terminated my marriage.
Like, he doesn't know, but, like, he was there
when I was just, like, going through that [bleep],
and I wanted to tell him.
But now, I feel like I have no clue who this person is.
- I can understand your-- I don't know if it's guilt
or concern about having not told Cody this.
- Yeah.
- Well, thank you for being honest with us about it.
I get why that would be weighing on you,
but at the same time,
I don't think that it negates all the other things
that this person hasn't been telling you potentially.
- Right.
- I just have a feeling
that their secret is way bigger.
- Yeah. - All right.
Well, look, it feels to me, and I think to us,
that the only person or account
that we know is communicating with you
is the Snapchat account that you've been messaging with
since the beginning of the year.
So whether that's Cody, or someone else,
or a combination of both,
that's who we need to get to talk to us,
and hopefully explain, and reveal all of this.
- Yeah. - So we need to message them.
- I'm worried that if we contact,
they're gonna be like,
"I don't know why you're contacting me,"
or just not even respond.
But because you guys have such, like, a deeper--
- I mean I can try to do it, yeah.
Okay.
Okay, okay.
- All right, something like,
"Hey, I know when we spoke about meeting on 'Catfish,'
"you didn't seem super into it,
"but you mean a lot to me,
and our relationship's really important."
- And then should I say, like, "Nev and Kamie"...
- You can say, "Just want to help us,
but have found some--" I don't want to say info
or concerning--
- Some strange? - Some strange...
- Some strange. - Things that have me--
- A little confused. - Right.
And now, I think you should also say,
"I also have something I need to tell you."
I think if you extend that olive branch
that you also feel like
there's something that you haven't been honest about...
- Yeah.
- That might both pique his interest
and make him feel less nervous about telling you something.
- I have something I need to tell you.
- At the end, just say, "We are in a Zoom right now
and would love for you to join."
- I sent it. - I think it's great.
- I think it's good. - Yeah.
- It was good. All right, let's just see.
- Oh, I'm so nervous.
What if he doesn't respond?
- Well, I mean, if he sees it and then doesn't respond,
that is sort of a response, I guess.
- Oh, he's seen it. - Okay, he saw it.
- Oh, my God. - I'm so scared.
- The face there. Does that mean he's, like,
looking at it right now, or is it that he just saw it?
- No. He's on it. - Yeah.
- Oh, my God, he left.
- No! - He didn't say anything.
- Where's my anxiety dog?
Biggie, you're supposed to be helpful.
- Oh, oh, oh, he's typing. He's typing.
- Oh, my God.
- He's in here, so we have to give it to him.
- So say yeah. - Okay.
- And then just say, "The room code is..."
- Oh, my gosh.
- Are you okay? - Yeah, I'm just so nervous.
He's not just gonna pop up, right?
Or will he just pop up?
- He might. - Oh, my God.
[computer chimes]
Oh, my God.
- He's just gonna pop up? - Yeah.
- I'm so nervous.
[gasps]
[computer chimes] Oh, my God.
- Hey.
- Hi! Oh, my God.
- What's up? What's up, girl?
- Oh, my God.
- How's it going?
- I don't know. You tell us.
We're all very confused right now.
- Oh, my God.
- Can you just give me a second here?
[exhales deeply]
You're gorgeous.
- Thank you. - [laughs]
- Well, you are too. - Oh, my God.
- Can we just clear up a couple things?
Because we're just confused.
Why did it take so long for you guys to video chat?
You put yourself on camera all the time.
- Right, but I'm in control of that camera,
and all my little slipups and mess ups are easily fixed
when I'm doing it,
and the anxiety that I get talking to somebody for so long
is so much more intense.
You know, it gets worse, and worse, and worse
the longer you don't do it,
and it becomes harder, and harder, and harder.
- So you were concerned
that she wouldn't be into the unedited version of you?
- Yes, I get into my own head too much,
and it just--it freaks me out that I'm gonna disappoint her.
I have such a fear of losing her
that I back off on advancing the relationship
because I don't want to lose that.
I need that in my life.
- But didn't you think that avoiding meeting
would have eventually have lost you this relationship?
- When you say it like that, I guess so,
but I never really thought about it like that.
I think sometimes my head hasn't been in the right place
to even consider things objectively.
I don't really know how to answer that.
- Okay, but obviously, it was confusing for us.
I'm sure you know we found some strange stuff on the internet.
- I'm sure you did.
- That people have posted making you seem
like a terrible person.
We found a fake Twitter account where--you know,
making you look like a totally racist asshole.
And we were afraid one of those trolls
was the person talking today.
And it doesn't help that we spoke to your mom,
and she told us, as far as she knows,
Saturn [bleep] Films is not your Snapchat.
We're just confused.
- Back in, like, my early days, like,
when I was a teenager, the content
that was popular were people that ranted to a camera.
So I would talk about my political
or my religious beliefs on camera.
And what started happening would be
people would take my clips, and download them,
and then rearrange them to make it sound
like I was saying things that I wasn't.
people were making Andfake accounts about meow,
on various different websites.
So the whole thing with my mom is when stuff
like that started to happen, I would get really sensitive,
and it messed with my mental health really bad.
So when you guys reach out,
my mom is not gonna give you my information,
because she's seen how much stuff
like that has affected me.
- You gave Dey a phone number.
Why does that phone number come back
to your ex-girlfriend Lena?
- My ex and I are on pretty friendly terms,
and we're on the same line
because it makes both of our bills cheaper.
- So you got it as part of a group plan
with your then girlfriend?
- Well, it's kind of hard to even say what we were.
We were so on-again, off-again.
- When did you split for real? - February sometime.
I'd say, like, maybe a little after Valentine's
is when it was finally, like, kaput.
- 'Cause you posted a lot of pictures of her since then.
- 'Cause we're still friendly,
and she's one of my main models.
- So that's it?
You weren't lying about anything?
Is there anything else that Dey should know?
- Just that I'm sorry.
I realize a lot of this could have been cleared up,
and I kind of feel like a big wuss now.
She's so beautiful. She's so fun to talk to.
She's eloquent. She's interesting.
She's artistic.
I have, like, intense feelings for her.
- Oh, my God.
- Do you mind, Cody, if we check in with Dey
for a second, and we'll reconvene?
- Okay, that sounds good.
- All right, we'll see you in a minute.
- All right.
- Damn, Dey.
- Oh, my God. I can't believe he's real.
- I can't believe you were right.
- Now we finally talk to the guy.
- Yeah.
- You've now heard all of this.
I mean, what was your first sort of gut reaction
to interacting with him in person?
- I'm so happy.
- So this is a full steam ahead green light,
you want to make this happen?
- I definitely want to, yeah.
- Great, I'm excited for you, but I also think now is
the moment for you to tell him that you were married.
It's impossible to tell how he's gonna react,
especially since he didn't really lie about stuff,
but it's only gonna get harder to tell him if you wait.
- Okay. - I'm gonna bring him back in.
- Okay.
- Hey, what's going on?
- Yeah, so...
okay, so I do have something I want to tell you.
This past year, I was seeing somebody,
and in January, he proposed to me.
- Whoa.
- And then we were married within, like, a week.
- Wait, what?
- And immediately, I regretted it.
We're getting a divorce already, but it happened.
- That's a lot to take in, like, all at once.
[tense music]
Huh.
Well, that--it does hurt my feelings.
I'm not gonna lie.
I wish you would have told me that.
I understand why you wouldn't want to,
but I wish you would have.
Yeah.
Can I have a second just to, like, process that in my brain?
- Sure.
- Oh, my God.
- Can I have a second just to, like, process that in my brain?
- Oh, my God.
- Here's the thing.
This is a part of not communicating properly
and actually meeting in person
because when you don't do that,
and it has been so long--it's been over a decade.
The thing about spending years apart from someone
that you have never met in person,
and you guys live in two completely different places
is that you're fully in the right to live your life.
[tense music]
- I...
I'm not mad at you, like, at all.
I understand.
I've been a compulsive person myself in the past.
I'm not judging.
I'd like to believe I know how your brain operates
due to the way we've talked.
- And that sounds like something I could have
totally done myself, so...
I don't have the ability to judge you.
- Do you see, now, why I always just, like, hang on?
He says things and I'm like,
"Okay, thank you for understanding me."
- Well, so how are we gonna make this work?
Do you want this?
- I absolutely do.
It feels like I've already squandered an opportunity
for a long time.
I don't want to keep doing that.
- We just have to meet and then,
you know, it'll work out.
- I feel angry with myself
because I'm already more comfortable
with talking to you here,
and I just couldn't do it.
I don't know why.
- You know what my therapist says?
She says we can't be worried about the past.
All we can worry about is how we're going to move forward,
so beating up on yourself about the past however many years
is not going to get us where we need to go.
- I'm really happy. - I'm glad.
I'm sorry for not doing it sooner.
- It's okay.
- My anxiety is going down a little bit,
but I'm still like,
"Man, she's actually looking at my face now."
Like, she's hearing my words. She's looking at my face.
Like, what is she actually thinking?
- I want to meet you tomorrow.
- I want to meet you right now.
- Iowa or L.A.? Who's flying where?
- Let's go. - I'm down, I'm in.
- Well, it sounds like both-- it's certainly time.
- The day has come.
- Look, we'll let you guys start your next chapter now.
Obviously, it can be over FaceTime.
- We should FaceTime tonight maybe.
- [laughs] Okay.
- There you go. FaceTime tonight.
- That still feels weird for me to say,
but I think I'm prepared.
- I'm excited. - I want to make a request.
When this episode airs, I want it to end with photos
from whatever trip you guys plan in the near future.
- I want to do that. - We'll make it happen.
- Well, good luck. - Yay!
- I'll talk to you soon. - Bye.
- Bye.
- Later.
- There it is. Can you believe it?
We did it, Biggie! We did it.
Come here. Oh, come--oh, no.
- ♪ I feel so, I feel so ♪
♪ I feel so free, feel so free ♪
♪ ♪
[upbeat mu
- Kailan and Jordan met
when they were 11 years old.
- He's every single thing I want in a man.
- Oh, we got a Twitter account.
- [gasps] - Tahj.
- Who the hell is Tahj?
- There's no evidence that a Jordan exists.
[- Oh, [bleep].s] - Hello, who's there?
[dramatic music]