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He meets Roger; they match.
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- He's really caring.
He told me,
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"I already know
I found the one."
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And we FaceTimed a few times.
- What?
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- He's married.
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- I'm always
in someone's mouth.
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Now shut up, bitch.
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- What the [bleep]
did you say to me?
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- This looks like an evil twin.
- Are we ready?
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- I don't know if I'm ready.
[Zoom chimes]
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- Get the [bleep]
out of here.
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- Are these plant babies?
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- We needed some plants
in here.
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- This makes me so happy.
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- These are officially
our little plant babies now.
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- This one will be named Max.
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- This one's got
some silver in it.
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I think this should be Max.
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- That's Max
'cause it has a silver pot.
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- Right, silver pots
and silver, like, coloring.
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- Yes.
- Carmen?
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- Carmen, thank you.
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It's exactly
what I was thinking.
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- I knew it.
'Cause it's tall.
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- This is gonna grow and be
a little bit viney.
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- Ashley Taylor.
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- You think this
is Ashley Taylor?
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Okay, great.
This needs a name.
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- Ooh.
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- That's Justin.
Okay.
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- [laughs]
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I wanna name it Katy Perry.
I don't know why.
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- Sure, Katy, Justin,
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Ashley, Max, Carmen.
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- This made my day.
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- All right,
should we get started?
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Let's see
what's in the old inbox.
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"Hey, Nev and Kamie,
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"My name is Zark.
I'm a 22-year-old guy
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living outside
DC with my family."
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- My home.
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- "I've been in a relationship
for about two years
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with a man named Roger."
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["Good Connection"
by Layup playing]
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- "I met Roger on Tinder."
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- ♪ I can connect the dots
from me to you ♪
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- "He was 31,
a government contractor,
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and was based in Orlando,
Florida."
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[groans]
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This is off to a bad start.
- [mimicking sad trombones]
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- "Roger said he was
constantly in DC for work."
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That's right, 'cause he's
a government contractor.
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- Mm-hmm.
- "And he kept on texting.
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"To be honest, I thought
he was a bit thirsty
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"but found myself replying
to his messages anyway.
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"And then, when I was having
some big problems,
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he helped me get through them."
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- ♪ Any time we can interact ♪
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♪ I'll be down with that
to connect to you ♪
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- "After six months, we got
kinda serious about each other.
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We talk on the phone
all the time."
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- ♪ We got a good ♪
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♪ Good, good, good ♪
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♪ Connection ♪
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- "But we still haven't
met in person.
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"But I've recently
started to feel like
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"I don't know him
as well as I thought.
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"Roger had said he was always
flying into DC for work,
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"but he hasn't been here
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since the week we matched
on Tinder, two years ago."
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- Convenient.
- Right.
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"Our two-year anniversary
is approaching.
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"Now that people
are getting vaccinated,
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I think it's safe for us
to meet face to face."
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- ♪ All I want is ♪
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♪ A good connection ♪
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- "I'm willing to do whatever
it takes to meet him in person,
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"so why isn't he?
I know he cares about me.
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"I know he wants
to be my boyfriend.
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So what could be
h"olding him back?
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You guys are my best shot
at finding out the truth."
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- ♪ Good, good ♪
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- "I hope you'll help me.
Zark."
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- Let's see if we can get old
of Zark on the line here.
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Greetings, Zark!
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Come join our Zoom
so we can help.
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- Oh, he just said hey.
"Sure, I'm out in the city.
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Just give me time
to run to my house."
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What?
I mean, you know what?
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- I mean, we can't expect
people to just always be ready
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the second we--
- That's true.
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People always wanna
know how people are ready
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as if we don't sit and wait
for them just in general.
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- Sometimes we wait.
Well, I mean, look, he sounds
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like he understands
he's in a situation.
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- Roger's married to a woman.
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- Roger could be married.
Roger may not be out.
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- Well, first of all,
I feel like we haven't had
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a government contractor
catfish before.
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- I don't think so, no.
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But I have heard people who
were creating fake accounts
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will say
they work for the government,
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which is why
they don't have social media.
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- Right.
Right.
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- It's like a perfect excuse.
[Zoom chimes]
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- Aha!
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- Hello.
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- Hey!
- Hello.
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- What's up, Zark?
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What is the origin
of that name?
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- So I'm Pakistani
but my name is Arabic.
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It means the gift of God.
- Interesting.
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- Well, we love the name.
- Thank you, thank you.
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- What do you do for a living?
- I've been modeling
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for the past
six and a half years,
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doing local fashion shows
and you know upcoming designer.
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- All right, let's see it,
let's see the walk.
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Give us the walk, Zark.
- Oh, right now? Okay.
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- Come on.
- Here we go.
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- Sell it.
- You better walk.
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Walk, walk, walk.
Boom, boom, boom, boom.
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- Hands in the pockets, turn.
- Oh, nice.
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- Pivot.
Nice.
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- Show the garment.
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- Turn.
- Sell the garment.
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- Wow.
- Yes.
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- Wow, that was good.
- Wow.
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- Wait, so now
I want that outfit.
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I gotta have it.
I gotta have it.
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All right, well, cool.
So you're 22 now.
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- Yes.
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- And then you say
about two years ago,
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you're on Tinder
and you meet Roger.
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So tell us how that started
and progressed.
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- After I came out,
a lot of my friends were like,
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"Oh, you know,
you should download Tinder.
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You download this,
did you download that?"
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And, you know,
you're matching people,
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you're swiping,
and then I match with Roger.
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And that same day,
he was like,
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"Oh, my God,
you're so pretty.
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You're so beautiful.
You're this, this, and that."
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And I'm like,
"Slow your roll."
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- Mm-hmm.
- So he just kept messaging.
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And I was like, you know what?
Let me just reply to him.
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And we started talking and
he was always just really nice.
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He told me he's from Orlando,
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but he worked
for the government.
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So he tells me he flies in
and out of DC all the time.
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So we just started
talking more and more.
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Like a month or two later,
we finally talked on the phone
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just 'cause I was going through
a lot of family stuff.
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And he was just able
to be there for me
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and listen to me and advise me.
I mean, he's older than me.
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When I was 21, he was 31.
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Like, a couple months
after that,
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I developed feelings.
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And then we've just been
on it ever since.
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- So how long has it been now
that you guys are
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sort of official?
- Almost two years.
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- So you guys are like
exclusive?
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- Yeah, I mean, when we deleted
our Tinder, he told me
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that "I'm serious about you.
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I really wanna to get
to know you,"
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and that's when we deleted it
at the same time.
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- Have you guys said
that you love each other?
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- He said it first.
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But I eventually did
come around and said it.
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So we have.
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- Are you guys connected
on any other platforms,
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any social media?
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- So he's not
a social media person,
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which at first, I was like,
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"You don't have social media?
That's like not having a car."
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And I said like,
what are you doing?
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But I've definitely
asked him about it.
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But he's just not for it.
He has a government job.
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He is older.
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So we're not even connected
or anything.
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We just, like, text every now
and then,
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talk--we've FaceTimed
a few times.
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- What?
- But here's the thing, though,
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I've never
really seen his face.
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- Oh!
- What have you seen?
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- It's not even FaceTime;
it's beard time.
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That's what I'ma call it 'cause
there's a camera's--yeah.
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He's like...
- Here.
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- [laughs]
- So you just literally...
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- That is [bleep] weird.
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- [laughs]
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- That is [bleep] weird.
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- So I asked him, I was like,
"So do you just have
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a giant pimple on your face?"
And that's when I felt like
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a really bad person
because he has cancer.
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- Oh.
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- And he's going
through treatment.
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And he just felt
really insecure.
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- When did he tell you that?
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- I wanna say this was like a
little less than a year or so.
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And I was like,
"So can I see your face?"
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And that's when he was like,
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"Okay,
I wanna be honest with you.
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"I'm currently dealing
with this
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"and you're so good-looking.
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"So I'm just kind of scared
that, you know,
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you might not think
I look nice."
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I never like pushed that.
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So I was like, "You know what?
I'm gonna give you that space."
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- So has he told you
what exactly his--
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his health issues
are right now?
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- No, because he doesn't
wanna worry me.
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Every time I ask him
so he'll be like,
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"No, I don't wanna worry you,
but just know I'm okay."
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- Do you have pictures of him
that you can show us?
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- Yes.
So this is him.
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- Oh, wow.
- Yeah, Roger.
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Wow.
- Just, just chilling.
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- You can't tell me that man's
not confident.
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- Well, wait,
but this was before.
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- These are all pictures from
before he got sick, I guess.
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- And that's a very full beard.
- Yeah.
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- So the beard you saw
is like same--
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- Yeah.
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- I see a--what looks
like a wedding ring.
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- I've actually never paid
attention to that.
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Oh, no.
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- Kamie, your first thought
when we were--
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after reading your email was...
- He's married to a woman.
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- Listen, I've--I've had,
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I've had to deal with my fair
share of straight guys.
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And I'm not dealing
with that again.
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- Does he talk about
past relationships?
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- You know, I've asked him
about his past,
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and he's always been like,
sometimes you just know
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that this is
not the person for you.
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And you just know you have
to go separate ways.
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And he would always just
reassure me, just don't worry,
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I can already see that's not
gonna happen with you.
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And I already know
I've found the one.
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- The one?
- And he would just go on--
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he would just go on about that.
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- Zark, are you his gift
from God?
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- I don't know.
Am I?
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But see now I'm worried.
I was cool before.
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But now I'm like,
What if he's married?
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- I mean, on one hand,
247
00:08:44,057 --> 00:08:45,790
you're right
to be skeptical, right?
248
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'Cause you've been
talking a long time.
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The FaceTiming thing
is a little sus.
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But I could definitely see
this going either way.
251
00:08:52,933 --> 00:08:56,801
- Yeah, I hope that Roger
is who you think he is.
252
00:08:56,870 --> 00:08:59,004
I, I think, though,
that you were right to think
253
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that there is something
that he's hiding.
254
00:09:01,108 --> 00:09:03,642
- Like some of the stuff
he does kind of just, like,
255
00:09:03,710 --> 00:09:05,043
doesn't make sense to me
because it's like,
256
00:09:05,112 --> 00:09:06,611
what is it
that you're not telling me?
257
00:09:06,680 --> 00:09:08,146
You know, what exactly
should be worried about?
258
00:09:08,215 --> 00:09:10,215
I, I just need answers
at this point.
259
00:09:10,284 --> 00:09:12,350
- All right, well, look,
send us his pictures
260
00:09:12,419 --> 00:09:14,953
and his phone number
and whatever else you have.
261
00:09:15,022 --> 00:09:18,123
If he's telling the truth,
and there's nothing to hide,
262
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then we shouldn't find anything
when we do a little research
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00:09:21,328 --> 00:09:24,796
and we'll get back to you as
soon as we have some results.
264
00:09:24,865 --> 00:09:26,565
- My heart is gonna be beating
until then,
265
00:09:26,633 --> 00:09:29,901
'cause that whole wedding ring
really kind of pushed me back.
266
00:09:29,970 --> 00:09:33,271
So I'm gonna--
I'm gonna try to stay calm.
267
00:09:33,340 --> 00:09:35,006
- All right, Zark,
talk soon, buddy.
268
00:09:35,075 --> 00:09:37,175
- All right, talk soon.
Bye-bye.
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- Bye.
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He's married.
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- I mean, or the guy
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in the pictures
might be married.
273
00:09:44,051 --> 00:09:46,117
- The fact that he says that
they FaceTimed a few times--
274
00:09:46,186 --> 00:09:47,953
- Right,
but it's almost weirder
275
00:09:48,021 --> 00:09:49,821
that he's done a mouth time.
276
00:09:49,890 --> 00:09:51,456
- I feel like,
show me your full face
277
00:09:51,525 --> 00:09:52,991
or get the [bleep]
out of here.
278
00:09:53,060 --> 00:09:54,826
- He then revealed
that he's been sick lately.
279
00:09:54,895 --> 00:09:56,962
So maybe it's swollen.
Maybe he's breaking out.
280
00:09:57,030 --> 00:09:58,663
Maybe he's, you know,
you don't know.
281
00:09:58,732 --> 00:10:00,098
- I don't wanna
not believe that.
282
00:10:00,167 --> 00:10:02,067
And I know Zark
doesn't wanna not believe that.
283
00:10:02,135 --> 00:10:05,337
But he's also been so sketchy
that it's like hard to believe
284
00:10:05,405 --> 00:10:08,239
that he's not hiding
some big dark secret.
285
00:10:09,810 --> 00:10:11,076
- Let's see
your best runway walk.
286
00:10:11,144 --> 00:10:12,877
- Sell the garment,
shoulders back.
287
00:10:12,946 --> 00:10:17,749
Let's give them a good turn,
and turn.
288
00:10:17,818 --> 00:10:19,818
- Oh, only you lost
your balance--deduction.
289
00:10:19,886 --> 00:10:21,720
- It's the shoe.
What's up?
290
00:10:21,788 --> 00:10:24,122
- Okay, let's see what
we can find on this guy.
291
00:10:25,525 --> 00:10:28,994
Zark, 22, shortly after
coming out, he goes online.
292
00:10:29,062 --> 00:10:32,030
He meets Roger, they match.
He's cute, but he's older.
293
00:10:32,099 --> 00:10:34,766
He lives in Florida,
but they start talking
294
00:10:34,835 --> 00:10:36,267
and that conversation
turns into flirting
295
00:10:36,336 --> 00:10:38,737
and they start
being into each other.
296
00:10:38,805 --> 00:10:41,306
Interestingly,
they have FaceTimed,
297
00:10:41,375 --> 00:10:47,379
but when they FaceTime all Zark
sees is like nose down.
298
00:10:47,447 --> 00:10:48,880
Roger reveals he started
299
00:10:48,949 --> 00:10:50,181
undergoing treatment
for cancer.
300
00:10:50,250 --> 00:10:51,716
- Allegedly.
301
00:10:51,785 --> 00:10:53,385
- And that even though he
hasn't been specific about it,
302
00:10:53,453 --> 00:10:55,820
it must have affected
his appearance in some way
303
00:10:55,889 --> 00:10:57,155
that he doesn't want to reveal
304
00:10:57,224 --> 00:10:59,691
until he's looking
more like himself.
305
00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,060
Zark's been very patient
and understanding.
306
00:11:02,129 --> 00:11:03,928
But now it's been two years.
He wants to meet the guy.
307
00:11:03,997 --> 00:11:05,930
He's ready to go.
- Right.
308
00:11:05,999 --> 00:11:08,166
- All right, let's check
and see if Zark emailed us.
309
00:11:08,235 --> 00:11:10,869
He did.
"Hi, Nev and Kamie,
310
00:11:10,937 --> 00:11:13,004
"Roger's full name
is Roger [bleep].
311
00:11:13,073 --> 00:11:14,506
"He lives in Orlando
and he works
312
00:11:14,574 --> 00:11:16,608
"as a government contractor.
Here's his phone number.
313
00:11:16,677 --> 00:11:18,209
"I don't know how
many pics you wanted,
314
00:11:18,278 --> 00:11:19,611
"so I just sent them all.
315
00:11:19,680 --> 00:11:21,780
Thanks again for helping,
Zark."
316
00:11:21,848 --> 00:11:23,048
All right,
let's save these pics.
317
00:11:23,116 --> 00:11:24,716
I love starting
with the image search.
318
00:11:24,785 --> 00:11:26,051
- Okay.
- This is the one
319
00:11:26,119 --> 00:11:28,086
where he's got
his little name tag on.
320
00:11:28,155 --> 00:11:29,254
- Men's tuxedos.
321
00:11:29,322 --> 00:11:31,756
- All right,
picture number two.
322
00:11:33,427 --> 00:11:36,361
So that's not a hit.
All right, last one.
323
00:11:36,430 --> 00:11:39,364
He's at an event.
324
00:11:39,433 --> 00:11:41,933
No hits on the pics.
325
00:11:42,002 --> 00:11:43,835
All right, let's run
the phone number.
326
00:11:43,904 --> 00:11:44,969
- It's the only
other thing we have.
327
00:11:45,038 --> 00:11:46,871
Well, we have his name.
- Yeah.
328
00:11:46,940 --> 00:11:49,340
- What if it comes back
to White House, Joe Biden?
329
00:11:50,310 --> 00:11:51,576
Roger.
330
00:11:51,645 --> 00:11:53,578
both: Casanova.
331
00:11:53,647 --> 00:11:55,080
- That's not even a real name.
332
00:11:55,148 --> 00:11:56,815
- Wow, maybe that's not
his real last name,
333
00:11:56,883 --> 00:11:59,551
but it comes up registered
someone named Roger.
334
00:11:59,619 --> 00:12:01,519
- You can't trust
a Casanova, Nev.
335
00:12:01,588 --> 00:12:02,687
- You know what else
we should do?
336
00:12:02,756 --> 00:12:04,055
Cash app.
337
00:12:04,124 --> 00:12:06,491
Plug the number in.
You never know.
338
00:12:06,560 --> 00:12:08,593
Someone's got an account.
- Spark.
339
00:12:08,662 --> 00:12:10,729
- Oh, ooh.
- What?
340
00:12:10,797 --> 00:12:13,064
- There is an account,
Roger Dat.
341
00:12:13,133 --> 00:12:15,700
Underneath is a username,
Dark [bleep].
342
00:12:15,769 --> 00:12:17,235
- Mm-hmm.
343
00:12:17,304 --> 00:12:20,672
- Let's just do an Instagram
search for this name.
344
00:12:20,741 --> 00:12:22,774
Okay, let's try Dark [bleep].
345
00:12:22,843 --> 00:12:24,776
Ooh, there is a hit.
346
00:12:24,845 --> 00:12:28,046
- "Czar of the universe"?
- [gasps]
347
00:12:28,115 --> 00:12:33,184
Ooh, there he is,
there he is.
348
00:12:33,253 --> 00:12:34,285
- No.
349
00:12:34,354 --> 00:12:36,020
- "If you're
emotionally sensitive
350
00:12:36,089 --> 00:12:38,590
"and don't like what I post
then [bleep] off my profile
351
00:12:38,658 --> 00:12:41,226
"and go play with your chili
hole, simple as that.
352
00:12:41,294 --> 00:12:43,595
I'm very direct
and unapologetic."
353
00:12:43,663 --> 00:12:46,431
Look, here he is.
354
00:12:46,500 --> 00:12:47,966
- No way.
355
00:12:48,034 --> 00:12:49,100
- He does have an Instagram.
356
00:12:49,169 --> 00:12:51,269
Look, all the pictures
that he got sent.
357
00:12:51,338 --> 00:12:54,105
"Smiling violently at you
haters that wanna see me down.
358
00:12:54,174 --> 00:12:56,274
None of you cucks
can take my joy away."
359
00:12:56,343 --> 00:12:58,276
- Oh, my God.
He's a [bleep] weirdo.
360
00:12:58,345 --> 00:13:00,211
- It's just like kind
of vulgar, right?
361
00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:01,980
- Yeah.
Why is he so weird?
362
00:13:02,048 --> 00:13:03,782
What, his captions--
363
00:13:03,850 --> 00:13:07,085
"Something big and sweet
to suck on," what?
364
00:13:07,154 --> 00:13:08,887
- "I'm always
in someone's mouth.
365
00:13:08,955 --> 00:13:10,622
"Haters stay talking [bleep].
366
00:13:10,690 --> 00:13:14,125
"I wish you'd shut the [bleep]
up damn good grief.
367
00:13:14,194 --> 00:13:16,427
"You know your mouth's a cage
for your tongue
368
00:13:16,496 --> 00:13:19,397
if you just close your teeth.
Now shut up, bitch."
369
00:13:19,466 --> 00:13:20,765
- What the [bleep]
did you just say to me?
370
00:13:20,834 --> 00:13:22,600
This is a [bleep] weirdo,
371
00:13:22,669 --> 00:13:23,935
somebody's weird-ass uncle.
372
00:13:24,004 --> 00:13:27,806
- Roger might be sweet
and lovely with Zark,
373
00:13:27,874 --> 00:13:29,407
but on his Finsta--
374
00:13:29,476 --> 00:13:30,708
- He's a Sour Patch Kid.
375
00:13:30,777 --> 00:13:34,379
- I wonder if any of this side
of Roger's personality
376
00:13:34,447 --> 00:13:36,381
is known to Zark?
377
00:13:36,449 --> 00:13:39,083
Like, if they've talked
about anything like this.
378
00:13:39,152 --> 00:13:41,085
- "[bleep] off my page, go play
with your chili hole."
379
00:13:41,154 --> 00:13:43,054
Does that seem like
the kinda guy that Zark
380
00:13:43,123 --> 00:13:45,256
would wanna be talking to?
I don't think so.
381
00:13:45,325 --> 00:13:47,258
- I don't know.
Let's see.
382
00:13:47,327 --> 00:13:50,428
I haven't seen any comments.
There's only one comment here.
383
00:13:50,497 --> 00:13:52,430
And it's from
a woman named Fatou.
384
00:13:52,499 --> 00:13:54,766
"Haven't seen you
in a suit in a while."
385
00:13:54,835 --> 00:13:56,067
Maybe she knows him.
- It's private.
386
00:13:56,136 --> 00:13:57,502
- Okay, so send her a message.
387
00:13:57,571 --> 00:14:00,104
Just say "Hey, how do you know
Czar of the universe?"
388
00:14:00,173 --> 00:14:03,208
- Okay, hey, Fatou,
this is Nev.
389
00:14:03,276 --> 00:14:04,909
- Right, you have to say
that 'cause it's my account.
390
00:14:04,978 --> 00:14:06,878
- Mm-hmm.
We're doing an episode now...
391
00:14:06,947 --> 00:14:08,079
- That involves...
- Someone
392
00:14:08,148 --> 00:14:10,582
you may know
and could use your help.
393
00:14:10,650 --> 00:14:12,250
Hit me up.
- All right.
394
00:14:12,319 --> 00:14:14,385
- This whole thing
is very strange to me.
395
00:14:14,454 --> 00:14:17,822
I don't have good vibes.
Fatou messaged back.
396
00:14:17,891 --> 00:14:19,023
- Ooh, what?
397
00:14:19,092 --> 00:14:20,191
She said sorry,
I'm at work.
398
00:14:20,260 --> 00:14:22,894
I can't Zoom
but I can do a phone call.
399
00:14:22,963 --> 00:14:24,729
Okay.
Oh.
400
00:14:24,798 --> 00:14:27,198
- Fatou.
- Hello.
401
00:14:32,072 --> 00:14:34,038
- Yeah, hey, Fatou,
it's--it's Nev.
402
00:14:34,107 --> 00:14:36,074
Thank you for responding
so quickly.
403
00:14:36,142 --> 00:14:40,078
We came across
your Instagram account.
404
00:14:40,146 --> 00:14:44,515
And a comment left
on a picture of a guy
405
00:14:44,584 --> 00:14:47,585
whose username on Instagram
is Dark [bleep].
406
00:14:50,590 --> 00:14:53,191
- Oh, what's his name?
407
00:14:53,260 --> 00:14:55,994
- Okay, that is
your friend Roger?
408
00:14:56,062 --> 00:14:57,462
- How long have you known him?
409
00:15:00,767 --> 00:15:03,368
- Is he--wait,
is he still married?
410
00:15:11,278 --> 00:15:12,343
- Got it.
But when was
411
00:15:12,412 --> 00:15:13,811
the last time
you talked to him?
412
00:15:17,150 --> 00:15:18,249
- What was his job then,
413
00:15:18,318 --> 00:15:19,751
like, when
you last spoke to him?
414
00:15:19,819 --> 00:15:23,154
We heard that he worked as,
like, a government contractor.
415
00:15:29,629 --> 00:15:31,195
- You can't say because
you don't know
416
00:15:31,264 --> 00:15:33,231
or you don't feel
like you should say?
417
00:15:35,802 --> 00:15:37,435
- Got it.
418
00:15:38,071 --> 00:15:39,337
- Yeah, and also--
419
00:15:40,807 --> 00:15:42,006
- Not--not at all actually.
420
00:15:42,075 --> 00:15:44,709
We're trying to help someone
421
00:15:44,778 --> 00:15:47,712
who has been talking to Roger.
422
00:15:47,781 --> 00:15:50,148
And we're just trying
to make sure Roger is,
423
00:15:50,216 --> 00:15:51,883
you know,
the guy he says he is,
424
00:15:51,952 --> 00:15:53,318
but you guys
have met in person.
425
00:15:53,386 --> 00:15:54,485
You guys have hung
out together?
426
00:15:55,555 --> 00:15:56,654
- One of the things though,
obviously,
427
00:15:56,723 --> 00:15:58,289
that we were concerned about.
428
00:15:58,358 --> 00:16:00,091
And one of the reason I didn't
wanna bother him directly
429
00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:04,195
was because we understood
that he might be sick.
430
00:16:04,264 --> 00:16:07,298
He had mentioned
possibly cancer.
431
00:16:10,470 --> 00:16:11,970
- Can I just
read you the number
432
00:16:12,038 --> 00:16:14,372
or part of the number,
whatever, that we have?
433
00:16:14,441 --> 00:16:15,940
And just Can you just
say whether or not
434
00:16:16,009 --> 00:16:17,608
that's the same number
you have?
435
00:16:20,780 --> 00:16:22,480
- Sure.
436
00:16:28,788 --> 00:16:31,389
- What the [bleep] is going on?
- I don't know; it's so weird.
437
00:16:31,458 --> 00:16:33,791
It's possible--
what I said is possible.
438
00:16:33,860 --> 00:16:35,960
He was married.
- Or is.
439
00:16:36,029 --> 00:16:38,096
- But could be going
through a divorce.
440
00:16:38,164 --> 00:16:39,998
Maybe isn't out,
but also it is possible
441
00:16:40,066 --> 00:16:43,368
that somebody knows
about Roger and like,
442
00:16:43,436 --> 00:16:45,903
took his pictures and uses
his name,
443
00:16:45,972 --> 00:16:48,373
or Fatou is full of [bleep].
444
00:16:48,441 --> 00:16:50,575
- Right now, she's feeling
full of [bleep].
445
00:16:51,678 --> 00:16:53,578
- Yes, hey.
446
00:16:55,215 --> 00:16:57,348
- That's--I understand.
447
00:16:57,417 --> 00:16:58,783
- Okay.
448
00:16:58,852 --> 00:17:00,651
- All right, bye-bye.
449
00:17:01,688 --> 00:17:03,221
Is her boss, Roger?
450
00:17:03,289 --> 00:17:04,989
That was weird.
I don't know
451
00:17:05,058 --> 00:17:09,093
if that makes me feel like
we got any closer to the truth.
452
00:17:09,162 --> 00:17:10,495
Or if we're further
from the truth.
453
00:17:11,631 --> 00:17:13,831
I feel like something icky
-is happening..
454
00:17:13,900 --> 00:17:17,435
- A lot going on right now.
Things just got way weirder.
455
00:17:20,073 --> 00:17:20,938
- Do you wanna
come on my left,
456
00:17:21,007 --> 00:17:23,341
just start to sing?
Come.
457
00:17:23,410 --> 00:17:26,077
Come...
458
00:17:26,146 --> 00:17:28,880
Just three friends
enjoying some potatoes.
459
00:17:28,948 --> 00:17:30,348
- You don't want--
he doesn't want these, does he?
460
00:17:30,417 --> 00:17:31,682
- No, no.
461
00:17:31,751 --> 00:17:35,420
He thinks he does, but.
Ooh.
462
00:17:35,488 --> 00:17:38,589
Ew, oh, my God.
463
00:17:38,658 --> 00:17:41,025
- Biggie...
- He just drooled all over you.
464
00:17:41,094 --> 00:17:43,294
- Ugh, okay, that's it.
That's enough.
465
00:17:43,363 --> 00:17:44,662
I'm sorry.
- All right,
466
00:17:44,731 --> 00:17:46,764
so yesterday
was a little bit cuckoo.
467
00:17:46,833 --> 00:17:49,067
Because in addition
to discovering
468
00:17:49,135 --> 00:17:51,769
that Roger does
in fact have Instagram...
469
00:17:51,838 --> 00:17:52,904
- Mm-hmm.
470
00:17:52,972 --> 00:17:54,906
- The content on the Instagram
471
00:17:54,974 --> 00:17:58,242
doesn't really match
what Zark told us about Roger.
472
00:17:58,311 --> 00:18:00,378
- Whatever Zark sees in him...
473
00:18:00,447 --> 00:18:02,447
- Right.
- It can't be this.
474
00:18:02,515 --> 00:18:04,015
- And then we talked to Fatou.
475
00:18:04,084 --> 00:18:06,217
- Who said she hung out
with him and his wife.
476
00:18:06,286 --> 00:18:09,454
- According to Fatou,
he might still be married.
477
00:18:09,522 --> 00:18:11,889
- Yeah.
- So let me just text...
478
00:18:11,958 --> 00:18:14,992
Jump in the Zoom,
so we can chat.
479
00:18:15,061 --> 00:18:17,762
Got a lot to talk about.
480
00:18:18,598 --> 00:18:21,799
[Zoom chimes]
Hey.
481
00:18:21,868 --> 00:18:24,135
- Hi.
- Hi, what's up?
482
00:18:24,204 --> 00:18:28,973
- Hey, you seem a little
more somber today.
483
00:18:29,042 --> 00:18:31,275
- I couldn't even sleep
last night 'cause I was like,
484
00:18:31,344 --> 00:18:32,844
Oh, God, Oh, God. Oh, God.
485
00:18:32,912 --> 00:18:35,680
But I'm trying to just
hold it together
486
00:18:35,748 --> 00:18:38,649
and, you know, I'm okay.
487
00:18:38,718 --> 00:18:40,685
- Well, should we dive in?
488
00:18:40,753 --> 00:18:45,089
- So we did some research,
and we did find some stuff.
489
00:18:45,158 --> 00:18:46,791
Maybe you can help us
make some sense out of it.
490
00:18:46,860 --> 00:18:50,328
And then we can decide
what the best next step is?
491
00:18:50,396 --> 00:18:51,629
- That sounds good.
492
00:18:51,698 --> 00:18:52,830
- We took the phone number
you have
493
00:18:52,899 --> 00:18:54,732
and we ran a search
and it came back
494
00:18:54,801 --> 00:18:58,136
as registered to someone
named Roger Casanova.
495
00:18:58,204 --> 00:18:59,504
- Interesting.
496
00:18:59,572 --> 00:19:01,372
- Now obviously, Casanova
is not the name
497
00:19:01,441 --> 00:19:02,974
you know him by,
498
00:19:03,042 --> 00:19:05,943
but could it be that he used
this name sort of as a joke?
499
00:19:06,012 --> 00:19:07,411
- It just sounds made up.
- Yeah.
500
00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,380
- Right, and then we did
something that we've started
501
00:19:09,449 --> 00:19:10,715
doing more recently,
502
00:19:10,783 --> 00:19:13,684
which was we put
his phone number into Cashapp.
503
00:19:13,753 --> 00:19:15,353
And when we did
that there was a hit.
504
00:19:15,421 --> 00:19:16,954
Do you see that?
505
00:19:17,023 --> 00:19:19,824
- Oh, I do see that.
Yes, says Roger something.
506
00:19:19,893 --> 00:19:21,993
- It says Roger Datt.
- Okay.
507
00:19:22,061 --> 00:19:26,664
- And then underneath is a
username which is Dark [bleep].
508
00:19:26,733 --> 00:19:29,233
Now if he's going by
Roger Datt,
509
00:19:29,302 --> 00:19:30,668
or this Dark [bleep],
510
00:19:30,737 --> 00:19:33,104
maybe we can search
those usernames
511
00:19:33,173 --> 00:19:34,772
and see if
they pop up anywhere.
512
00:19:34,841 --> 00:19:39,377
So when we searched
Dark [bleep] on Instagram,
513
00:19:39,445 --> 00:19:41,245
look what we found.
514
00:19:42,649 --> 00:19:45,082
- That can't be him.
There's no way.
515
00:19:45,151 --> 00:19:46,517
- Why do you say that?
516
00:19:46,586 --> 00:19:48,152
- He's given me
so many lectures
517
00:19:48,221 --> 00:19:50,555
about how he doesn't
like social media
518
00:19:50,623 --> 00:19:53,057
and he doesn't have time
for it and--
519
00:19:53,126 --> 00:19:55,426
- Well, he seems
to have time for it.
520
00:19:55,495 --> 00:19:59,897
- I can't even--
521
00:19:59,966 --> 00:20:02,099
I'm like, I don't even know
what to say right now.
522
00:20:02,168 --> 00:20:05,603
- I'm going to warn you
that you'll see as we go
523
00:20:05,672 --> 00:20:07,004
through the pictures
524
00:20:07,073 --> 00:20:09,774
that a lot of what he says
and his captioning
525
00:20:09,842 --> 00:20:14,278
on this account is like dark
and mean and strange.
526
00:20:14,347 --> 00:20:15,746
And it just didn't read to us
527
00:20:15,815 --> 00:20:18,883
like something you would
personally be attracted to.
528
00:20:18,952 --> 00:20:19,984
- Okay.
529
00:20:20,053 --> 00:20:21,419
- We'll take you
on this roller coaster.
530
00:20:21,487 --> 00:20:22,987
So here he says
in the comments,
531
00:20:23,056 --> 00:20:25,856
"Smiling violently at you
haters that wanna see me down.
532
00:20:25,925 --> 00:20:28,259
None of you cucks
can take my joy away."
533
00:20:28,328 --> 00:20:29,627
I don't know if this is like
534
00:20:29,696 --> 00:20:31,429
the type of language
he uses with you.
535
00:20:31,497 --> 00:20:32,630
- No.
536
00:20:32,699 --> 00:20:34,632
- But it felt kind
of weird to us.
537
00:20:34,701 --> 00:20:36,133
Here's another weird one of him
538
00:20:36,202 --> 00:20:38,135
standing inside of the mouth
of a sculpture.
539
00:20:38,204 --> 00:20:40,738
And it says,
"I'm always in someone's mouth.
540
00:20:40,807 --> 00:20:43,040
Haters stay talking [bleep].
541
00:20:43,109 --> 00:20:46,110
I wish you'd shut the [bleep]
up damn good grief.
542
00:20:46,179 --> 00:20:48,813
You know your mouth's a cage
for your tongue
543
00:20:48,881 --> 00:20:52,083
if you just close your teeth.
Now shut up, bitch."
544
00:20:52,151 --> 00:20:53,718
- I'm already done with this.
545
00:20:53,786 --> 00:20:56,654
Like, I don't even
wanna know anymore.
546
00:20:56,723 --> 00:20:58,356
- We didn't even
go over the bio.
547
00:20:58,424 --> 00:21:00,191
The bio says, "If you're
emotionally sensitive
548
00:21:00,260 --> 00:21:02,960
and don't like what I post,
then [bleep] off my profile,
549
00:21:03,029 --> 00:21:06,030
and go play with your chili
hole, simple as that.
550
00:21:06,099 --> 00:21:08,633
I'm very direct
and unapologetic."
551
00:21:08,701 --> 00:21:10,768
- He should be apologetic,
actually.
552
00:21:10,837 --> 00:21:12,770
- It's offensive.
553
00:21:12,839 --> 00:21:15,239
- I'm sorry if I turned red.
I'm just embarrassed.
554
00:21:15,308 --> 00:21:19,610
This is not at all
what I'm exposed to
555
00:21:19,679 --> 00:21:21,445
or used to or familiar with.
556
00:21:21,514 --> 00:21:25,916
Like, this looks like an evil
twin--like, I don't know.
557
00:21:25,985 --> 00:21:28,352
That got deep really quick.
558
00:21:28,421 --> 00:21:30,054
- So, so our first thought,
559
00:21:30,123 --> 00:21:31,722
which I think is
probably yours,
560
00:21:31,791 --> 00:21:34,225
after kind of
just the confusion was,
561
00:21:34,294 --> 00:21:36,794
we need to verify
if this account is even him.
562
00:21:36,863 --> 00:21:38,829
So you know,
we just sort of started
563
00:21:38,898 --> 00:21:40,931
going through the comments.
And this girl Fatou says,
564
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,933
"Haven't seen you
in a suit in a while."
565
00:21:43,002 --> 00:21:44,902
So we messaged Fatou.
- Yeah.
566
00:21:44,971 --> 00:21:46,304
- And we chatted.
I told her,
567
00:21:46,372 --> 00:21:48,272
we found you through
the Dark [bleep] page.
568
00:21:48,341 --> 00:21:49,940
Is that someone you know?
569
00:21:50,009 --> 00:21:53,244
And she's like,
"Yeah, that's my friend Roger.
570
00:21:53,313 --> 00:21:55,479
We've been friends
a really long time."
571
00:21:55,548 --> 00:21:56,881
- So we asked her, you know,
572
00:21:56,949 --> 00:21:58,449
have you hung out
with him in person?
573
00:21:58,518 --> 00:22:00,518
And she's like, "Yeah, I used
to hang out with him
574
00:22:00,586 --> 00:22:02,987
all the time with his wife."
575
00:22:04,490 --> 00:22:07,158
Now, she said that
they were having some issues
576
00:22:07,226 --> 00:22:09,393
and that things were kind of
all over the place.
577
00:22:09,462 --> 00:22:11,128
So she wasn't sure...
- She wasn't sure, right.
578
00:22:11,197 --> 00:22:13,030
- If they were still married
or not.
579
00:22:13,099 --> 00:22:15,099
But back when she was
hanging out with him,
580
00:22:15,168 --> 00:22:18,869
he was married to a woman.
581
00:22:18,938 --> 00:22:21,105
- I'm sorry, I really don't
wanna cry right now.
582
00:22:21,174 --> 00:22:24,008
I really don't--I'm really
trying not to right now.
583
00:22:25,378 --> 00:22:27,611
- When we asked her
about his job,
584
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,080
and what he does,
585
00:22:29,148 --> 00:22:30,715
she was like,
well, I'm not sure.
586
00:22:30,783 --> 00:22:32,850
And I said, Well, does he work
in like government contracting?
587
00:22:32,919 --> 00:22:35,319
She said, "I'm pretty sure
he does not do that."
588
00:22:35,388 --> 00:22:39,023
- And then when we asked Fatou,
we heard that he had been sick,
589
00:22:39,092 --> 00:22:41,225
like, do you know anything
about him having cancer,
590
00:22:41,294 --> 00:22:44,962
she said, "I don't believe
that he's sick."
591
00:22:45,031 --> 00:22:47,832
- But again, she hasn't really
talked to him recently.
592
00:22:47,900 --> 00:22:50,334
So, it's all--you know.
593
00:22:50,403 --> 00:22:53,104
- He's dealing with this
for a while though.
594
00:22:53,172 --> 00:22:55,740
So it's not like it just came.
595
00:23:00,847 --> 00:23:03,080
I don't know.
596
00:23:04,350 --> 00:23:05,649
I...
597
00:23:05,718 --> 00:23:07,284
- ♪ Now I can't sleep ♪
598
00:23:07,353 --> 00:23:10,321
♪ On those words
that you speak ♪
599
00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:12,623
I don't know what to say.
600
00:23:12,692 --> 00:23:15,793
- ♪ Like a knife that cuts
deep, you spill my blood,
601
00:23:15,862 --> 00:23:18,729
- I keep feeling so stupid.
602
00:23:18,798 --> 00:23:20,498
Because yesterday,
when you guys said,
603
00:23:20,566 --> 00:23:22,666
"Oh, maybe he's married,
that'sa wedding ring."
604
00:23:22,735 --> 00:23:25,102
I was like, "There's no way."
605
00:23:26,372 --> 00:23:27,571
And then...
606
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,574
- ♪ So can we keep
chasing dreams ♪
607
00:23:30,643 --> 00:23:33,644
- He has an Instagram and...
608
00:23:33,713 --> 00:23:36,046
you know, has he been
lying to me about being sick?
609
00:23:36,115 --> 00:23:38,549
I'm, like, battling inside
right now.
610
00:23:38,618 --> 00:23:41,185
Like, part of me is like no,
no, there has to be a reason.
611
00:23:41,254 --> 00:23:42,753
There has to be,
and then I'm like, no,
612
00:23:42,822 --> 00:23:45,022
[bleep] the reason, like...
613
00:23:45,091 --> 00:23:46,690
[sighs]
I don't know.
614
00:23:46,759 --> 00:23:48,192
- ♪ 'cause the words
that you speak ♪
615
00:23:48,261 --> 00:23:49,727
♪ Like a knife,
they cut deep ♪
616
00:23:49,796 --> 00:23:52,930
♪ And you spill my blood ♪
617
00:23:52,999 --> 00:23:56,834
- I still wanna believe,
as crazy as that sounds,
618
00:23:56,903 --> 00:24:00,137
but I'm just gonna
have to wait, I guess.
619
00:24:00,206 --> 00:24:05,276
- ♪ Can we keep
chasing dreams? ♪
620
00:24:06,746 --> 00:24:07,978
- Yesterday when you guys said,
621
00:24:08,047 --> 00:24:09,680
"Oh, maybe he's married.
That's a wedding ring,"
622
00:24:09,749 --> 00:24:13,951
I was like, "There's no way."
And then he has an Instagram
623
00:24:14,020 --> 00:24:16,187
and has he been lying to me
about being sick.
624
00:24:16,255 --> 00:24:19,623
It's just like,
I wanna know why.
625
00:24:19,692 --> 00:24:22,259
Simple, forget everything.--
I just wanna know why.
626
00:24:22,328 --> 00:24:23,427
Why me?
627
00:24:23,496 --> 00:24:26,730
Why come to me
in this loving, adoring way?
628
00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:28,432
Why are you doing this to me?
You know what I'm saying?
629
00:24:28,501 --> 00:24:30,067
- Well, what if,
what if the answer to that
630
00:24:30,136 --> 00:24:31,535
is "I really like you"?
631
00:24:31,604 --> 00:24:33,170
- And it's him.
632
00:24:34,574 --> 00:24:36,740
because then he should have
been honest from the get-go.
633
00:24:36,809 --> 00:24:39,343
like, I just need to just hear
from him.
634
00:24:39,412 --> 00:24:41,011
Like, you're a liar.
635
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,048
Why is that?
What did I do to deserve this?
636
00:24:44,116 --> 00:24:46,050
- The only way to get answers
to these questions
637
00:24:46,118 --> 00:24:48,986
is to reach out to Roger.
638
00:24:49,055 --> 00:24:51,455
- I agree.
- We've got his number.
639
00:24:51,524 --> 00:24:53,357
[tense music]
640
00:24:53,426 --> 00:24:55,259
- Do we wanna call?
641
00:24:55,328 --> 00:24:58,295
- All right, well, let's try.
Let me just see.
642
00:24:58,364 --> 00:25:00,931
[line trilling]
643
00:25:02,201 --> 00:25:04,902
- Please leave your message
for...
644
00:25:04,971 --> 00:25:07,838
- All right,
let me text the number.
645
00:25:07,907 --> 00:25:09,773
Hey, Roger.
646
00:25:09,842 --> 00:25:14,578
This is Nev,
would love to chat.
647
00:25:16,516 --> 00:25:18,082
Thanks.
648
00:25:19,585 --> 00:25:21,051
Okay, sent.
649
00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:22,820
Let's just see
if he gets back to us.
650
00:25:22,889 --> 00:25:26,824
- Ooh, now we do the best part
of our job.
651
00:25:26,893 --> 00:25:28,826
Wait.
652
00:25:28,895 --> 00:25:30,060
[phone chimes]
Oh, oh.
653
00:25:30,129 --> 00:25:31,362
- Roger wrote back.
654
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:33,964
He said, "I figured this call
was coming.
655
00:25:34,033 --> 00:25:36,800
How is Zark?"
656
00:25:36,869 --> 00:25:39,169
- Okay.
- It's an interesting response.
657
00:25:39,238 --> 00:25:42,239
"I figured this call was
coming," which to me suggests
658
00:25:42,308 --> 00:25:44,642
that, like, he knows
he's been deceiving you
659
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:47,945
in some way
that would potentially result
660
00:25:48,014 --> 00:25:50,948
in, like, being
on a show, Catfish?
661
00:25:51,717 --> 00:25:54,652
- But again, interestingly,
and this is very unusual.
662
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,021
He asks, "How is Zark?"
663
00:25:57,089 --> 00:25:59,990
Like he shows concern
for your feelings.
664
00:26:00,059 --> 00:26:03,160
So I'll say...
665
00:26:10,469 --> 00:26:12,970
Oh, all right, he says,
"I'm out right now.
666
00:26:13,039 --> 00:26:14,772
I'd rather do this at home."
667
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,541
I understand.
668
00:26:17,610 --> 00:26:20,244
When will you be home?
669
00:26:24,450 --> 00:26:25,849
- I have a love-hate
relationship
670
00:26:25,918 --> 00:26:27,251
with the typing bubble.
671
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,820
Sometimes I wish
it just wasn't there.
672
00:26:30,489 --> 00:26:31,655
- Oh, he says,
"If I leave right now,
673
00:26:31,724 --> 00:26:33,257
"I can be home in an hour.
674
00:26:33,326 --> 00:26:35,359
"And I'm sorry, but I think
I need to do this at home,
675
00:26:36,462 --> 00:26:38,228
- What is "this," though?
What is "this"?
676
00:26:38,297 --> 00:26:43,000
- Okay, we will
give you one hour.
677
00:26:44,136 --> 00:26:46,136
- Oh, you being spicy.
- Can I send that?
678
00:26:46,205 --> 00:26:48,539
- Go for it.
- Yes.
679
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:51,942
Well, we got
a little bit of time.
680
00:26:52,011 --> 00:26:54,244
Let's hope that
he shows his face.
681
00:26:54,313 --> 00:26:57,114
And then you can figure out
how you feel.
682
00:26:57,183 --> 00:26:59,249
- Talk to you soon.
Bye.
683
00:27:01,487 --> 00:27:03,387
[sighs]
684
00:27:03,456 --> 00:27:06,790
I just, I'm waiting
for that explanation.
685
00:27:06,859 --> 00:27:09,193
I really--I really am.
686
00:27:09,261 --> 00:27:12,663
This is the person
who I wanna be with
687
00:27:12,732 --> 00:27:16,533
and this is the person who,
you know, is for me.
688
00:27:16,602 --> 00:27:19,403
I'm waiting to see how
he's gonna explain all of this.
689
00:27:19,472 --> 00:27:22,373
So...
690
00:27:22,441 --> 00:27:24,241
I guess, I guess,
I just have to wait.
691
00:27:28,981 --> 00:27:32,016
- All right, hey.
- Hey.
692
00:27:32,084 --> 00:27:34,485
- Ohh.
- Oh, man, you okay?
693
00:27:34,553 --> 00:27:37,087
- No, I've just been
sitting here thinking
694
00:27:37,156 --> 00:27:40,658
I was just being lied to,
really,
695
00:27:40,726 --> 00:27:42,092
'cause it seemed like
696
00:27:42,161 --> 00:27:45,162
I really knew this person
and to find out
697
00:27:45,231 --> 00:27:48,966
I don't actually know
this person, you know?
698
00:27:49,035 --> 00:27:51,535
- Oh, he texted us.
He says, "I'm back."
699
00:27:51,604 --> 00:27:52,936
So I guess
that means he's home.
700
00:27:53,005 --> 00:27:54,338
- Okay.
701
00:27:54,407 --> 00:27:55,939
- I'm just gonna say
okay, great.
702
00:27:56,008 --> 00:28:00,144
We are in the Zoom now
with Zark.
703
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,248
- Are we ready?
- I'm trying to be ready.
704
00:28:04,316 --> 00:28:06,450
- And hopefully, there's
a reasonable explanation
705
00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:07,851
for everything.
706
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,820
- How do I look?
Do I look great?
707
00:28:09,889 --> 00:28:11,622
- You look fabulous.
708
00:28:11,691 --> 00:28:13,257
- Thank you, thank you.
709
00:28:13,325 --> 00:28:16,393
[soft dramatic music]
710
00:28:16,462 --> 00:28:18,095
♪ ♪
711
00:28:18,164 --> 00:28:19,430
[Zoom chimes]
712
00:28:24,036 --> 00:28:26,136
- Roger, are you there?
713
00:28:27,540 --> 00:28:29,273
- Oh.
- Hello?
714
00:28:30,376 --> 00:28:31,341
[Zoom chimes]
715
00:28:31,410 --> 00:28:34,278
[tense dramatic music]
716
00:28:34,346 --> 00:28:35,746
♪ ♪
717
00:28:35,815 --> 00:28:37,881
- Roger, are you there?
718
00:28:39,251 --> 00:28:44,221
- Hello?
- Ohh.
719
00:28:44,290 --> 00:28:45,689
- Hi, Zark.
720
00:28:45,758 --> 00:28:48,125
- Hi.
721
00:28:48,194 --> 00:28:49,827
- Hi.
722
00:28:49,895 --> 00:28:53,030
- Hi.
- It's nice to see you.
723
00:28:54,266 --> 00:28:55,799
- I didn't mean
724
00:28:55,868 --> 00:28:57,868
to drag it out this long
or anything like that.
725
00:28:57,937 --> 00:28:59,303
I was kinda nervous.
726
00:28:59,371 --> 00:29:02,339
And I hope that you give me
a chance to explain.
727
00:29:02,408 --> 00:29:04,742
- Okay, explain yourself.
728
00:29:04,810 --> 00:29:07,377
- What would you like me
to explain?
729
00:29:07,446 --> 00:29:10,547
- Well, so far it seems like
almost everything
730
00:29:10,616 --> 00:29:12,783
I know has been a lie, so.
731
00:29:12,852 --> 00:29:14,318
- I have nothing to hide,
obviously.
732
00:29:14,386 --> 00:29:16,420
- Well, I just found that
you have an Instagram,
733
00:29:16,489 --> 00:29:17,721
even though you swore up
734
00:29:17,790 --> 00:29:19,890
and down that social media
is not for you.
735
00:29:19,959 --> 00:29:21,759
That's shady.
736
00:29:21,827 --> 00:29:23,927
- I mean, I didn't want you
to, like,
737
00:29:23,996 --> 00:29:25,562
look at my Instagram page
738
00:29:25,631 --> 00:29:27,030
and it was kind of a way
739
00:29:27,099 --> 00:29:30,534
to me, like, seeing
your pictures on there too.
740
00:29:30,603 --> 00:29:34,271
- Oh, so you've been
stalking me on my page.
741
00:29:34,340 --> 00:29:36,540
- It's not stalking.
I was just looking.
742
00:29:36,609 --> 00:29:38,142
- To make things worse,
743
00:29:38,210 --> 00:29:39,943
you're a whole
different person on Instagram.
744
00:29:40,012 --> 00:29:41,612
- How can you--
- You're just so negative,
745
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,481
you're just so angry,
you're just so full of hate.
746
00:29:44,550 --> 00:29:46,250
You're not the person
747
00:29:46,318 --> 00:29:48,352
who I speak to
and can make me laugh.
748
00:29:48,420 --> 00:29:52,022
You're out here saying
all these vulgar things.
749
00:29:52,091 --> 00:29:53,791
Is that who you are?
750
00:29:53,859 --> 00:29:57,461
- You're judging me on
a few posts and pictures,
751
00:29:57,530 --> 00:30:00,430
or memes.
So you know...
752
00:30:02,902 --> 00:30:04,601
- Well, I think
what's confusing is,
753
00:30:04,670 --> 00:30:06,303
you are the person at least
754
00:30:06,372 --> 00:30:08,605
that you presented yourself
to be physically.
755
00:30:08,674 --> 00:30:10,140
So what would be the reason
756
00:30:10,209 --> 00:30:12,643
to not include
Zark in that Instagram?
757
00:30:12,711 --> 00:30:14,845
- I guess it was
just more like,
758
00:30:14,914 --> 00:30:16,613
I was trying to buy time.
759
00:30:16,682 --> 00:30:18,549
- You say you were trying
to buy time? What do you mean?
760
00:30:18,617 --> 00:30:21,485
- Trying to buy time to like,
have the nerve to, to meet.
761
00:30:21,554 --> 00:30:23,187
- Two years
wasn't enough time for you?
762
00:30:23,255 --> 00:30:25,088
What do you need, five years?
Ten years?
763
00:30:25,157 --> 00:30:27,157
How much longer was I supposed
to be dealing with this?
764
00:30:27,226 --> 00:30:28,625
You're over here telling me
765
00:30:28,694 --> 00:30:30,828
you're insecure because
you're going through cancer,
766
00:30:30,896 --> 00:30:33,864
and I'm finding out
that's a lie.
767
00:30:33,933 --> 00:30:35,299
- Well, excuse me,
wait a minute,
768
00:30:35,367 --> 00:30:37,901
I actually did go through
cancer treatment,
769
00:30:37,970 --> 00:30:40,037
and I was recovering.
770
00:30:40,105 --> 00:30:42,105
You know,
I kinda gained some weight.
771
00:30:42,174 --> 00:30:45,642
I lost a little bit of hair.
I was not feeling confident.
772
00:30:45,711 --> 00:30:48,612
And then again, you know,
you're younger than me.
773
00:30:48,681 --> 00:30:51,114
So I was buying myself time.
774
00:30:51,183 --> 00:30:52,549
- If you don't mind, Roger,
775
00:30:52,618 --> 00:30:54,985
I think the conversation
got off to a wonky start.
776
00:30:55,054 --> 00:30:57,020
So your name is Roger [bleep]?
777
00:30:57,089 --> 00:30:59,022
- Yes, yes, it is.
778
00:30:59,091 --> 00:31:01,992
- Can you kind of fill us in
on who you are,
779
00:31:02,061 --> 00:31:03,927
what you do, where you live,
780
00:31:03,996 --> 00:31:06,096
so that we can all be
on the same page?
781
00:31:06,165 --> 00:31:08,298
- I lied to you saying
that I lived in Orlando.
782
00:31:08,367 --> 00:31:11,301
I actually live in the DC area.
783
00:31:11,370 --> 00:31:14,204
- Where exactly in DC area?
'cause I work in DC.
784
00:31:14,273 --> 00:31:17,007
- About 15 minutes away
from where you work.
785
00:31:19,812 --> 00:31:22,613
I mean, if I woulda told you,
you would have wanted to meet.
786
00:31:22,681 --> 00:31:23,881
- For obvious reasons.
787
00:31:23,949 --> 00:31:25,716
- Okay, so you live in DC.
788
00:31:25,784 --> 00:31:27,851
You are 31.
Is that correct?
789
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:32,389
- Um, well, I mean--
790
00:31:32,458 --> 00:31:34,324
I told him I was 31.
791
00:31:34,393 --> 00:31:36,126
I'm 45.
792
00:31:36,195 --> 00:31:40,330
- Okay, 45 is--
that's a big difference.
793
00:31:40,399 --> 00:31:43,000
You know, that's, that's--
you're--you're like,
794
00:31:43,068 --> 00:31:44,701
at least 10 years older
than you said you were.
795
00:31:44,770 --> 00:31:46,770
That is a big thing
that I would understand you
796
00:31:46,839 --> 00:31:49,706
not wanting him to find out.
797
00:31:49,775 --> 00:31:51,341
And what do you do?
798
00:31:51,410 --> 00:31:54,344
- I-I told him that I worked
for a government contract job
799
00:31:54,413 --> 00:31:58,582
because most people in DC know
that having those kinda jobs,
800
00:31:58,651 --> 00:32:00,484
you can't have social media.
801
00:32:00,552 --> 00:32:03,120
But I actually work
for a doctor,
802
00:32:03,188 --> 00:32:06,123
doing billing and coding.
You're being mad.
803
00:32:06,191 --> 00:32:07,624
But honestly,
at the end of the day,
804
00:32:07,693 --> 00:32:10,360
our conversations were real
about everything,
805
00:32:10,429 --> 00:32:14,264
except for the fact of how old
I was and where I lived,
806
00:32:14,333 --> 00:32:16,033
and what I did for a living.
807
00:32:16,101 --> 00:32:17,567
- Do you wanna rethink that?
808
00:32:17,636 --> 00:32:20,404
Because I just found out
you're married to a woman.
809
00:32:20,472 --> 00:32:22,706
- [laughs]
810
00:32:22,775 --> 00:32:24,107
- How's--how's that going?
811
00:32:24,176 --> 00:32:26,043
- Are you still married?
812
00:32:26,111 --> 00:32:29,646
- Well, um...
813
00:32:29,715 --> 00:32:32,249
No, I'm not married, actually.
814
00:32:32,318 --> 00:32:35,552
I was married, but I don't
speak with my ex-wife.
815
00:32:35,621 --> 00:32:37,387
We don't have
any children together.
816
00:32:37,456 --> 00:32:40,090
That wasn't even important.
Because there wasn't anything
817
00:32:40,159 --> 00:32:43,527
that would struck,
you know, where we were going.
818
00:32:43,595 --> 00:32:44,528
- So just to understand,
819
00:32:44,596 --> 00:32:46,163
you weren't hiding
your social media
820
00:32:46,231 --> 00:32:47,731
because of
your former marriage,
821
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,166
you were hiding it
822
00:32:49,234 --> 00:32:51,368
because you didn't want him
following you or--
823
00:32:51,437 --> 00:32:53,437
or seeing that
because he would discover
824
00:32:53,505 --> 00:32:55,439
that you were older
or that you didn't work--
825
00:32:55,507 --> 00:32:57,140
- I-I think he would
have discovered
826
00:32:57,209 --> 00:33:00,777
if he woulda seen me that
I'm in the same area as him.
827
00:33:00,846 --> 00:33:02,612
I lied, but listen,
828
00:33:02,681 --> 00:33:05,115
at least I'm not giving you
a fake picture
829
00:33:05,184 --> 00:33:08,352
or asking you to send me money
or anything like that.
830
00:33:08,420 --> 00:33:10,620
- I think we could argue
that you didn't give him
831
00:33:10,689 --> 00:33:13,423
a fake picture visually
of what you look like.
832
00:33:13,492 --> 00:33:15,726
But you did give him
a fake picture
833
00:33:15,794 --> 00:33:17,294
of what your life is like.
834
00:33:17,363 --> 00:33:21,398
- I understand that, but I was
going through something.
835
00:33:21,467 --> 00:33:24,801
I was just recovering
from my cancer treatment.
836
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:26,470
I had a lot of weight gain.
837
00:33:26,538 --> 00:33:28,905
So, of course,
I was trying to lose weight,
838
00:33:28,974 --> 00:33:30,474
because you're skinny.
839
00:33:30,542 --> 00:33:32,242
And according
to your Instagram,
840
00:33:32,311 --> 00:33:34,111
you're a model
and you do things.
841
00:33:34,179 --> 00:33:36,380
So it's like I got
self-conscious about it.
842
00:33:36,448 --> 00:33:38,148
But honestly,
at the end of the day,
843
00:33:38,217 --> 00:33:39,416
I wasn't trying to hurt you.
844
00:33:39,485 --> 00:33:41,685
It's nothing to be mad about.
845
00:33:41,754 --> 00:33:44,588
- I mean, you can't really
judge how I'm about to feel.
846
00:33:44,656 --> 00:33:46,590
Like, I have every right
to be upset.
847
00:33:46,658 --> 00:33:49,659
You might not think
it's a big deal, but it's--
848
00:33:49,728 --> 00:33:52,129
To me, it's kind of
like being blindsided.
849
00:33:52,197 --> 00:33:54,865
- It's not blindsided,
because I wasn't interfering
850
00:33:54,933 --> 00:33:56,199
or hurting your life.
851
00:33:56,268 --> 00:33:58,935
I didn't do anything
to hurt you.
852
00:33:59,004 --> 00:34:01,038
So it's not even
a waste of time.
853
00:34:01,106 --> 00:34:02,739
- That's subjective.
854
00:34:02,808 --> 00:34:06,643
And that would be according
to how Zark feels right now
855
00:34:06,712 --> 00:34:09,279
and he looks like he's hurt.
- Yeah, you're right.
856
00:34:09,348 --> 00:34:12,315
Why don't we let Zark
say how he feels?
857
00:34:14,286 --> 00:34:17,654
- Do you love me?
- I love you--of course, I do.
858
00:34:17,723 --> 00:34:20,123
I understand you found out
some lies and you're upset,
859
00:34:20,192 --> 00:34:23,460
but at the same time...
860
00:34:23,529 --> 00:34:26,830
I'm not a bad guy.
You can't judge me.
861
00:34:26,899 --> 00:34:29,433
- Look, we're not trying to
call you a bad person,
862
00:34:29,501 --> 00:34:32,803
but for you as a 43-year-old
to go on Tinder,
863
00:34:32,871 --> 00:34:37,374
say you're 31, it does say
something about your character.
864
00:34:37,443 --> 00:34:39,276
- I don't think that
it's a bad character.
865
00:34:39,344 --> 00:34:41,278
There's people doing worse
things lying,
866
00:34:41,346 --> 00:34:42,579
stealing, cheating.
867
00:34:42,648 --> 00:34:44,247
I've never asked him
for anything.
868
00:34:44,316 --> 00:34:46,249
I understand that I've lied.
869
00:34:46,318 --> 00:34:49,352
But at the same time,
it wasn't something severe.
870
00:34:49,421 --> 00:34:51,188
At least you didn't find out
that I was a criminal
871
00:34:51,256 --> 00:34:54,791
or I had eight children,
or that I was still married.
872
00:34:54,860 --> 00:34:56,226
- For sure.
873
00:34:56,295 --> 00:34:58,462
- Everyone's threshold
for worse is different.
874
00:34:58,530 --> 00:35:01,331
- I guess.
- Okay, wow.
875
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,634
Well, this is a lot
of new information for Zark.
876
00:35:04,703 --> 00:35:08,371
And if it's cool,
I'd like to just take a minute,
877
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,974
separately, just as--
just to check in with Zark.
878
00:35:11,043 --> 00:35:13,143
- Okay.
879
00:35:13,212 --> 00:35:16,046
- How are you feeling
right now?
880
00:35:16,115 --> 00:35:18,148
- I don't know what to say.
881
00:35:18,217 --> 00:35:20,917
It's just like a big,
like, tornado in my head.
882
00:35:20,986 --> 00:35:24,254
- He needs to stop saying
it's not that bad of a lie.
883
00:35:24,323 --> 00:35:26,690
A lie is a lie.
It's not,
884
00:35:26,758 --> 00:35:28,992
"Yeah, I lied about that,
but I could've lied about this.
885
00:35:29,061 --> 00:35:31,828
And I didn't lie about that."
Do you want a [bleep] cookie?
886
00:35:31,897 --> 00:35:33,864
Like, that's not
how lying works.
887
00:35:33,932 --> 00:35:36,967
This guy needs to take some
[bleep] responsibility pronto.
888
00:35:37,035 --> 00:35:38,268
- Right, that's what
I'm saying.
889
00:35:38,337 --> 00:35:40,837
I just need
to just hear that from him.
890
00:35:42,574 --> 00:35:44,774
But I don't know.
891
00:35:44,843 --> 00:35:47,144
I don't even know
what to believe right now.
892
00:35:48,413 --> 00:35:49,379
- Right now, I'm at the point
893
00:35:49,448 --> 00:35:52,582
where there's part of me
that's like,
894
00:35:52,651 --> 00:35:54,951
you're meeting this person
for the first time,
895
00:35:55,020 --> 00:35:57,053
basically, in a way.
896
00:35:57,122 --> 00:35:59,156
And even after finding
everything out,
897
00:35:59,224 --> 00:36:02,092
like I still wanna,
898
00:36:02,161 --> 00:36:04,895
you know,
believe he's a good person,
899
00:36:04,963 --> 00:36:07,797
I think I genuinely am curious.
900
00:36:07,866 --> 00:36:11,034
- I just--I just want for you,
901
00:36:11,103 --> 00:36:12,702
if you do choose
to meet up with him,
902
00:36:12,771 --> 00:36:14,571
that's completely up to you.
903
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,308
But just be conscious of
when people are trying
904
00:36:18,377 --> 00:36:21,378
to manipulate your emotions.
905
00:36:21,446 --> 00:36:23,380
My instinct and my gut tells me
906
00:36:23,448 --> 00:36:26,783
that he is using
his maturity level
907
00:36:26,852 --> 00:36:29,219
to manipulate the situation
908
00:36:29,288 --> 00:36:33,223
and the way that you feel
about what he's done.
909
00:36:33,292 --> 00:36:36,159
- The other question is, do you
wanna date a 45-year-old?
910
00:36:36,228 --> 00:36:39,963
- I feel like this whole
actual age difference,
911
00:36:40,032 --> 00:36:42,799
I definitely feel like
that's strange
912
00:36:42,868 --> 00:36:44,401
and is something I'm new to,
913
00:36:44,469 --> 00:36:47,637
but he was able to hold
my attention for this long
914
00:36:47,706 --> 00:36:49,172
and just being able to connect
with somebody
915
00:36:49,241 --> 00:36:53,210
that quickly on such a random
and unusual way,
916
00:36:53,278 --> 00:36:55,745
I think it's a good start.
917
00:36:55,814 --> 00:36:57,614
- So look,
let's bring him back in.
918
00:36:57,683 --> 00:37:00,150
Why don't you say to him what
you feel like you need to about
919
00:37:00,219 --> 00:37:03,453
if you see this relationship
continuing?
920
00:37:03,522 --> 00:37:04,988
- I can do that.
921
00:37:05,057 --> 00:37:08,391
- All right,
let's bring Roger back.
922
00:37:10,128 --> 00:37:12,796
[Zoom chimes]
923
00:37:12,864 --> 00:37:14,698
- Hi.
- All right, we're back.
924
00:37:14,766 --> 00:37:17,500
- Well, I wanna start off
to apologize to you, Zark,
925
00:37:17,569 --> 00:37:22,305
for, you know,
lying to you about everything.
926
00:37:22,374 --> 00:37:24,674
It--it just kind of spun
out of control,
927
00:37:24,743 --> 00:37:29,112
but I apologize
and I'm very sorry.
928
00:37:32,584 --> 00:37:37,187
- I hear your apology.
And...
929
00:37:37,256 --> 00:37:41,291
I genuinely...believe you.
930
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,961
But it's been
a roller coaster of emotions.
931
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:50,433
It's been like
a whole brand-new...
932
00:37:50,502 --> 00:37:53,637
side of you that
I never knew existed.
933
00:37:53,705 --> 00:37:57,307
I think I definitely need,
like, a little bit of space.
934
00:37:57,376 --> 00:38:01,678
But I'm willing to start over.
935
00:38:01,747 --> 00:38:04,714
You've been nothing
but good to me.
936
00:38:04,783 --> 00:38:06,983
And I can see the care
that you tell me.
937
00:38:07,052 --> 00:38:08,585
I can see the love
that you tell me.
938
00:38:08,654 --> 00:38:11,855
I can see everything that you,
you know, made me believe.
939
00:38:11,923 --> 00:38:14,057
But with that being said,
940
00:38:14,126 --> 00:38:16,459
I wanna see
how you treat me in person.
941
00:38:16,528 --> 00:38:18,995
I wanna see what side of you
am I gonna see.
942
00:38:19,064 --> 00:38:20,363
In the back of my head,
943
00:38:20,432 --> 00:38:22,332
I'm always gonna be
kind of like,
944
00:38:22,401 --> 00:38:24,668
oh, should I trust this?
Should I not?
945
00:38:24,736 --> 00:38:31,174
But I think if I actually feel
the love and care that you say,
946
00:38:31,243 --> 00:38:35,111
then I think
I'll be fully content
947
00:38:35,180 --> 00:38:39,349
in moving this forward
to start a new page.
948
00:38:39,418 --> 00:38:41,618
- I feel--I feel that's fair.
949
00:38:41,687 --> 00:38:43,553
I feel that's fair.
950
00:38:43,622 --> 00:38:47,457
And, you know, I-I again,
I extend another apology to you
951
00:38:47,526 --> 00:38:50,860
because I wasn't trying
to play games with you
952
00:38:50,929 --> 00:38:52,262
or waste your time.
953
00:38:52,331 --> 00:38:54,464
I'd still like
to get to know you.
954
00:38:54,533 --> 00:38:56,333
- But this time
everything's on the table.
955
00:38:56,401 --> 00:38:57,967
All the cards are out.
956
00:38:58,036 --> 00:38:59,502
And of course one step
at a time,
957
00:38:59,571 --> 00:39:01,471
but this time we're gonna
build from honesty.
958
00:39:01,540 --> 00:39:03,506
Basically, we're starting
all over again.
959
00:39:03,575 --> 00:39:05,742
You don't know me.
I don't know you.
960
00:39:05,811 --> 00:39:07,544
We're meeting on Tinder again,
961
00:39:07,612 --> 00:39:09,079
and we're going
on our first date.
962
00:39:09,147 --> 00:39:11,748
So that's how
I'm looking at us.
963
00:39:11,817 --> 00:39:13,216
- I'm looking forward to our--
964
00:39:13,285 --> 00:39:15,485
I mean, what are we
still doing on here?
965
00:39:15,554 --> 00:39:18,822
Like, text me.
[laughs]
966
00:39:18,890 --> 00:39:21,725
- Um, I will text you
when I'm ready.
967
00:39:21,793 --> 00:39:23,426
- Okay.
968
00:39:23,495 --> 00:39:25,562
- All right, look, I'm glad
that we were able to do this.
969
00:39:25,630 --> 00:39:28,431
It's very clear what things
could have gone differently.
970
00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:32,102
But the past is now the past.
Here we are, fresh start.
971
00:39:32,170 --> 00:39:34,104
I'm excited for you guys
just to meet.
972
00:39:34,172 --> 00:39:35,572
- I've been waiting.
973
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,207
- I've been waiting, actually.
974
00:39:37,275 --> 00:39:38,375
I've been the one waiting.
975
00:39:38,443 --> 00:39:39,909
- Yeah, you've been waiting.
976
00:39:39,978 --> 00:39:42,712
- Let's not, let's not--
- You're right, you're right.
977
00:39:42,781 --> 00:39:43,780
- Best of luck.
978
00:39:43,849 --> 00:39:45,582
We look forward
to hearing from you soon
979
00:39:45,650 --> 00:39:47,016
and finding out
how things pan out.
980
00:39:47,085 --> 00:39:48,985
- Thank you.
- Bye, Roger.
981
00:39:49,054 --> 00:39:52,021
- You'll text me?
You'll call me?
982
00:39:52,090 --> 00:39:53,690
- We'll see.
- You'll call me?
983
00:39:53,759 --> 00:39:55,325
- Look at this,
he doesn't wanna te--
984
00:39:55,394 --> 00:39:57,861
Look at this.
Wow.
985
00:39:57,929 --> 00:40:00,530
[laughs]
986
00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:04,634
- Wow, look, it's not exactly
what you hoped it would be.
987
00:40:04,703 --> 00:40:06,169
But I'm excited for you.
988
00:40:06,238 --> 00:40:07,670
You seem like a person
who's confident
989
00:40:07,739 --> 00:40:10,740
and can handle himself.
So make him work for it.
990
00:40:10,809 --> 00:40:12,509
And I would just say
be careful.
991
00:40:12,577 --> 00:40:14,144
I would press him
a little bit more
992
00:40:14,212 --> 00:40:16,880
about his strange
social media presence.
993
00:40:16,948 --> 00:40:19,582
- He's not behaving like
a 40-something-year-old man
994
00:40:19,651 --> 00:40:21,518
should be behaving
on social media.
995
00:40:21,586 --> 00:40:23,019
- Right.
- Oh, yeah.
996
00:40:23,088 --> 00:40:25,622
Oh, that's one of the first
topics we're discussing.
997
00:40:25,690 --> 00:40:28,992
- And if it doesn't
feel right, move on.
998
00:40:29,060 --> 00:40:31,327
- Thank you,
'cause I don't know
999
00:40:31,396 --> 00:40:32,962
how much longer
I would have had to wait.
1000
00:40:33,031 --> 00:40:35,165
And now, you know,
I hit him up when I hit him up.
1001
00:40:35,233 --> 00:40:36,299
He just got to deal with that.
1002
00:40:36,368 --> 00:40:37,367
- Speak to you soon, man.
1003
00:40:37,436 --> 00:40:39,602
- Bye, Zark.
- Bye
1004
00:40:39,671 --> 00:40:42,305
- ♪ 'cause I know
you think about me ♪
1005
00:40:42,374 --> 00:40:44,541
♪ 'cause I know you think
about me ♪
1006
00:40:44,609 --> 00:40:47,277
♪ 'cause I know
you think about me ♪
1007
00:40:47,345 --> 00:40:49,813
♪ Still think about me ♪
1008
00:40:53,118 --> 00:40:54,150
- We've got Brittany
1009
00:40:54,219 --> 00:40:55,251
and she's in
a crazy situation.
1010
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:56,486
This [bleep] situation
is [bleep].
1011
00:40:56,555 --> 00:40:57,387
- I've been in love
with him for years.
1012
00:40:57,456 --> 00:40:58,688
- He sends you money?
1013
00:40:58,757 --> 00:41:00,523
- No, he's had me go
to his house
1014
00:41:00,592 --> 00:41:03,760
to pick up like a care package
that had alcohol, we--
1015
00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:06,563
- It's madness.
- Ooh, he said, "Be careful."
1016
00:41:06,631 --> 00:41:09,699
What?
- My heart is racing.
1017
00:41:09,768 --> 00:41:11,301
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