1 00:00:02,203 --> 00:00:03,769 He meets Roger; they match. 2 00:00:03,838 --> 00:00:06,205 - He's really caring. He told me, 3 00:00:06,273 --> 00:00:07,506 "I already know I found the one." 4 00:00:07,575 --> 00:00:10,676 And we FaceTimed a few times. - What? 5 00:00:13,614 --> 00:00:15,547 - He's married. 6 00:00:15,616 --> 00:00:16,982 - I'm always in someone's mouth. 7 00:00:17,051 --> 00:00:18,250 Now shut up, bitch. 8 00:00:18,319 --> 00:00:19,518 - What the [bleep] did you say to me? 9 00:00:19,587 --> 00:00:21,954 - This looks like an evil twin. - Are we ready? 10 00:00:22,023 --> 00:00:24,390 - I don't know if I'm ready. [Zoom chimes] 11 00:00:25,459 --> 00:00:27,092 - Get the [bleep] out of here. 12 00:00:30,898 --> 00:00:32,331 - Are these plant babies? 13 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:34,800 - We needed some plants in here. 14 00:00:34,869 --> 00:00:36,735 - This makes me so happy. 15 00:00:36,804 --> 00:00:39,438 - These are officially our little plant babies now. 16 00:00:39,507 --> 00:00:41,106 - This one will be named Max. 17 00:00:41,175 --> 00:00:42,074 - This one's got some silver in it. 18 00:00:42,143 --> 00:00:43,609 I think this should be Max. 19 00:00:43,677 --> 00:00:45,310 - That's Max 'cause it has a silver pot. 20 00:00:45,379 --> 00:00:47,813 - Right, silver pots and silver, like, coloring. 21 00:00:47,882 --> 00:00:49,715 - Yes. - Carmen? 22 00:00:49,784 --> 00:00:50,983 - Carmen, thank you. 23 00:00:51,052 --> 00:00:52,184 It's exactly what I was thinking. 24 00:00:52,253 --> 00:00:53,919 - I knew it. 'Cause it's tall. 25 00:00:53,988 --> 00:00:55,654 - This is gonna grow and be a little bit viney. 26 00:00:55,723 --> 00:00:56,655 - Ashley Taylor. 27 00:00:56,724 --> 00:00:58,023 - You think this is Ashley Taylor? 28 00:00:58,092 --> 00:01:00,426 Okay, great. This needs a name. 29 00:01:00,494 --> 00:01:03,362 - Ooh. 30 00:01:03,431 --> 00:01:05,564 - That's Justin. Okay. 31 00:01:05,633 --> 00:01:08,467 - [laughs] 32 00:01:08,536 --> 00:01:11,203 I wanna name it Katy Perry. I don't know why. 33 00:01:11,272 --> 00:01:13,172 - Sure, Katy, Justin, 34 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,241 Ashley, Max, Carmen. 35 00:01:16,310 --> 00:01:17,376 - This made my day. 36 00:01:17,445 --> 00:01:19,178 - All right, should we get started? 37 00:01:19,246 --> 00:01:21,747 Let's see what's in the old inbox. 38 00:01:21,816 --> 00:01:22,815 "Hey, Nev and Kamie, 39 00:01:22,883 --> 00:01:25,851 "My name is Zark. I'm a 22-year-old guy 40 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,520 living outside DC with my family." 41 00:01:28,589 --> 00:01:30,456 - My home. 42 00:01:30,524 --> 00:01:32,224 - "I've been in a relationship for about two years 43 00:01:32,293 --> 00:01:34,526 with a man named Roger." 44 00:01:34,595 --> 00:01:36,128 ["Good Connection" by Layup playing] 45 00:01:36,197 --> 00:01:38,063 - "I met Roger on Tinder." 46 00:01:38,132 --> 00:01:40,732 - ♪ I can connect the dots from me to you ♪ 47 00:01:40,801 --> 00:01:43,635 - "He was 31, a government contractor, 48 00:01:43,704 --> 00:01:45,604 and was based in Orlando, Florida." 49 00:01:45,673 --> 00:01:47,039 [groans] 50 00:01:47,108 --> 00:01:49,208 This is off to a bad start. - [mimicking sad trombones] 51 00:01:49,276 --> 00:01:52,311 - "Roger said he was constantly in DC for work." 52 00:01:52,379 --> 00:01:53,645 That's right, 'cause he's a government contractor. 53 00:01:53,714 --> 00:01:55,781 - Mm-hmm. - "And he kept on texting. 54 00:01:55,850 --> 00:01:57,649 "To be honest, I thought he was a bit thirsty 55 00:01:57,718 --> 00:02:00,552 "but found myself replying to his messages anyway. 56 00:02:00,621 --> 00:02:02,688 "And then, when I was having some big problems, 57 00:02:02,756 --> 00:02:04,123 he helped me get through them." 58 00:02:04,191 --> 00:02:05,724 - ♪ Any time we can interact ♪ 59 00:02:05,793 --> 00:02:08,160 ♪ I'll be down with that to connect to you ♪ 60 00:02:08,229 --> 00:02:11,263 - "After six months, we got kinda serious about each other. 61 00:02:11,332 --> 00:02:12,631 We talk on the phone all the time." 62 00:02:12,700 --> 00:02:14,500 - ♪ We got a good ♪ 63 00:02:14,568 --> 00:02:17,402 ♪ Good, good, good ♪ 64 00:02:17,471 --> 00:02:19,338 ♪ Connection ♪ 65 00:02:19,406 --> 00:02:21,640 - "But we still haven't met in person. 66 00:02:21,709 --> 00:02:23,876 "But I've recently started to feel like 67 00:02:23,944 --> 00:02:27,846 "I don't know him as well as I thought. 68 00:02:27,915 --> 00:02:31,416 "Roger had said he was always flying into DC for work, 69 00:02:31,485 --> 00:02:32,818 "but he hasn't been here 70 00:02:32,887 --> 00:02:36,088 since the week we matched on Tinder, two years ago." 71 00:02:36,157 --> 00:02:37,656 - Convenient. - Right. 72 00:02:37,725 --> 00:02:40,325 "Our two-year anniversary is approaching. 73 00:02:40,394 --> 00:02:42,261 "Now that people are getting vaccinated, 74 00:02:42,329 --> 00:02:44,396 I think it's safe for us to meet face to face." 75 00:02:44,465 --> 00:02:46,598 - ♪ All I want is ♪ 76 00:02:46,667 --> 00:02:49,334 ♪ A good connection ♪ 77 00:02:49,403 --> 00:02:51,904 - "I'm willing to do whatever it takes to meet him in person, 78 00:02:51,972 --> 00:02:54,673 "so why isn't he? I know he cares about me. 79 00:02:54,742 --> 00:02:56,375 "I know he wants to be my boyfriend. 80 00:02:56,443 --> 00:02:59,378 So what could be h"olding him back? 81 00:02:59,446 --> 00:03:04,249 You guys are my best shot at finding out the truth." 82 00:03:04,318 --> 00:03:05,551 - ♪ Good, good ♪ 83 00:03:05,619 --> 00:03:09,588 - "I hope you'll help me. Zark." 84 00:03:09,657 --> 00:03:12,157 - Let's see if we can get old of Zark on the line here. 85 00:03:12,226 --> 00:03:13,659 Greetings, Zark! 86 00:03:13,727 --> 00:03:16,028 Come join our Zoom so we can help. 87 00:03:16,096 --> 00:03:19,231 - Oh, he just said hey. "Sure, I'm out in the city. 88 00:03:19,300 --> 00:03:21,066 Just give me time to run to my house." 89 00:03:21,135 --> 00:03:22,568 What? I mean, you know what? 90 00:03:22,636 --> 00:03:24,403 - I mean, we can't expect people to just always be ready 91 00:03:24,471 --> 00:03:25,904 the second we-- - That's true. 92 00:03:25,973 --> 00:03:27,906 People always wanna know how people are ready 93 00:03:27,975 --> 00:03:30,742 as if we don't sit and wait for them just in general. 94 00:03:30,811 --> 00:03:33,345 - Sometimes we wait. Well, I mean, look, he sounds 95 00:03:33,414 --> 00:03:35,747 like he understands he's in a situation. 96 00:03:35,816 --> 00:03:37,416 - Roger's married to a woman. 97 00:03:37,484 --> 00:03:39,751 - Roger could be married. Roger may not be out. 98 00:03:39,820 --> 00:03:41,787 - Well, first of all, I feel like we haven't had 99 00:03:41,855 --> 00:03:43,488 a government contractor catfish before. 100 00:03:43,557 --> 00:03:45,057 - I don't think so, no. 101 00:03:45,125 --> 00:03:46,658 But I have heard people who were creating fake accounts 102 00:03:46,727 --> 00:03:48,093 will say they work for the government, 103 00:03:48,162 --> 00:03:49,394 which is why they don't have social media. 104 00:03:49,463 --> 00:03:50,729 - Right. Right. 105 00:03:50,798 --> 00:03:51,897 - It's like a perfect excuse. [Zoom chimes] 106 00:03:51,966 --> 00:03:54,533 - Aha! 107 00:03:54,602 --> 00:03:55,934 - Hello. 108 00:03:56,003 --> 00:03:57,102 - Hey! - Hello. 109 00:03:57,171 --> 00:03:58,637 - What's up, Zark? 110 00:03:58,706 --> 00:03:59,938 What is the origin of that name? 111 00:04:00,007 --> 00:04:02,708 - So I'm Pakistani but my name is Arabic. 112 00:04:02,776 --> 00:04:05,010 It means the gift of God. - Interesting. 113 00:04:05,079 --> 00:04:07,613 - Well, we love the name. - Thank you, thank you. 114 00:04:07,681 --> 00:04:09,348 - What do you do for a living? - I've been modeling 115 00:04:09,416 --> 00:04:10,816 for the past six and a half years, 116 00:04:10,884 --> 00:04:13,652 doing local fashion shows and you know upcoming designer. 117 00:04:13,721 --> 00:04:15,053 - All right, let's see it, let's see the walk. 118 00:04:15,122 --> 00:04:16,688 Give us the walk, Zark. - Oh, right now? Okay. 119 00:04:16,757 --> 00:04:18,123 - Come on. - Here we go. 120 00:04:18,192 --> 00:04:19,591 - Sell it. - You better walk. 121 00:04:19,660 --> 00:04:23,695 Walk, walk, walk. Boom, boom, boom, boom. 122 00:04:23,764 --> 00:04:24,963 - Hands in the pockets, turn. - Oh, nice. 123 00:04:25,032 --> 00:04:26,131 - Pivot. Nice. 124 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:27,599 - Show the garment. 125 00:04:27,668 --> 00:04:28,967 - Turn. - Sell the garment. 126 00:04:29,036 --> 00:04:30,235 - Wow. - Yes. 127 00:04:30,304 --> 00:04:32,871 - Wow, that was good. - Wow. 128 00:04:32,940 --> 00:04:34,573 - Wait, so now I want that outfit. 129 00:04:34,642 --> 00:04:36,742 I gotta have it. I gotta have it. 130 00:04:36,810 --> 00:04:38,877 All right, well, cool. So you're 22 now. 131 00:04:38,946 --> 00:04:39,978 - Yes. 132 00:04:40,047 --> 00:04:41,980 - And then you say about two years ago, 133 00:04:42,049 --> 00:04:44,082 you're on Tinder and you meet Roger. 134 00:04:44,151 --> 00:04:46,818 So tell us how that started and progressed. 135 00:04:46,887 --> 00:04:48,820 - After I came out, a lot of my friends were like, 136 00:04:48,889 --> 00:04:51,023 "Oh, you know, you should download Tinder. 137 00:04:51,091 --> 00:04:53,091 You download this, did you download that?" 138 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:54,626 And, you know, you're matching people, 139 00:04:54,695 --> 00:04:57,629 you're swiping, and then I match with Roger. 140 00:04:57,698 --> 00:04:59,464 And that same day, he was like, 141 00:04:59,533 --> 00:05:00,966 "Oh, my God, you're so pretty. 142 00:05:01,035 --> 00:05:02,734 You're so beautiful. You're this, this, and that." 143 00:05:02,803 --> 00:05:05,270 And I'm like, "Slow your roll." 144 00:05:05,339 --> 00:05:08,340 - Mm-hmm. - So he just kept messaging. 145 00:05:08,409 --> 00:05:11,009 And I was like, you know what? Let me just reply to him. 146 00:05:11,078 --> 00:05:14,413 And we started talking and he was always just really nice. 147 00:05:14,481 --> 00:05:15,914 He told me he's from Orlando, 148 00:05:15,983 --> 00:05:17,516 but he worked for the government. 149 00:05:17,584 --> 00:05:19,685 So he tells me he flies in and out of DC all the time. 150 00:05:19,753 --> 00:05:22,287 So we just started talking more and more. 151 00:05:22,356 --> 00:05:24,856 Like a month or two later, we finally talked on the phone 152 00:05:24,925 --> 00:05:26,658 just 'cause I was going through a lot of family stuff. 153 00:05:26,727 --> 00:05:28,894 And he was just able to be there for me 154 00:05:28,962 --> 00:05:32,431 and listen to me and advise me. I mean, he's older than me. 155 00:05:32,499 --> 00:05:33,932 When I was 21, he was 31. 156 00:05:34,001 --> 00:05:35,801 Like, a couple months after that, 157 00:05:35,869 --> 00:05:37,135 I developed feelings. 158 00:05:37,204 --> 00:05:39,771 And then we've just been on it ever since. 159 00:05:39,840 --> 00:05:40,939 - So how long has it been now that you guys are 160 00:05:41,008 --> 00:05:44,376 sort of official? - Almost two years. 161 00:05:44,445 --> 00:05:45,911 - So you guys are like exclusive? 162 00:05:45,979 --> 00:05:48,213 - Yeah, I mean, when we deleted our Tinder, he told me 163 00:05:48,282 --> 00:05:49,481 that "I'm serious about you. 164 00:05:49,550 --> 00:05:50,916 I really wanna to get to know you," 165 00:05:50,984 --> 00:05:53,752 and that's when we deleted it at the same time. 166 00:05:53,821 --> 00:05:55,721 - Have you guys said that you love each other? 167 00:05:55,789 --> 00:05:57,155 - He said it first. 168 00:05:57,224 --> 00:05:59,658 But I eventually did come around and said it. 169 00:05:59,727 --> 00:06:01,460 So we have. 170 00:06:01,528 --> 00:06:03,929 - Are you guys connected on any other platforms, 171 00:06:03,997 --> 00:06:05,430 any social media? 172 00:06:05,499 --> 00:06:07,065 - So he's not a social media person, 173 00:06:07,134 --> 00:06:08,834 which at first, I was like, 174 00:06:08,902 --> 00:06:10,602 "You don't have social media? That's like not having a car." 175 00:06:10,671 --> 00:06:12,003 And I said like, what are you doing? 176 00:06:12,072 --> 00:06:13,972 But I've definitely asked him about it. 177 00:06:14,041 --> 00:06:16,508 But he's just not for it. He has a government job. 178 00:06:16,577 --> 00:06:17,743 He is older. 179 00:06:17,811 --> 00:06:19,544 So we're not even connected or anything. 180 00:06:19,613 --> 00:06:21,079 We just, like, text every now and then, 181 00:06:21,148 --> 00:06:23,515 talk--we've FaceTimed a few times. 182 00:06:23,584 --> 00:06:25,617 - What? - But here's the thing, though, 183 00:06:25,686 --> 00:06:26,985 I've never really seen his face. 184 00:06:27,054 --> 00:06:30,655 - Oh! - What have you seen? 185 00:06:30,724 --> 00:06:33,325 - It's not even FaceTime; it's beard time. 186 00:06:33,394 --> 00:06:36,294 That's what I'ma call it 'cause there's a camera's--yeah. 187 00:06:36,363 --> 00:06:37,562 He's like... - Here. 188 00:06:37,631 --> 00:06:39,464 - [laughs] - So you just literally... 189 00:06:39,533 --> 00:06:41,133 - That is [bleep] weird. 190 00:06:41,201 --> 00:06:42,401 - [laughs] 191 00:06:42,469 --> 00:06:44,703 - That is [bleep] weird. 192 00:06:44,772 --> 00:06:47,239 - So I asked him, I was like, "So do you just have 193 00:06:47,307 --> 00:06:50,742 a giant pimple on your face?" And that's when I felt like 194 00:06:50,811 --> 00:06:52,844 a really bad person because he has cancer. 195 00:06:52,913 --> 00:06:53,912 - Oh. 196 00:06:53,981 --> 00:06:55,614 - And he's going through treatment. 197 00:06:55,682 --> 00:06:57,149 And he just felt really insecure. 198 00:06:57,217 --> 00:06:59,117 - When did he tell you that? 199 00:06:59,186 --> 00:07:02,187 - I wanna say this was like a little less than a year or so. 200 00:07:02,256 --> 00:07:04,423 And I was like, "So can I see your face?" 201 00:07:04,491 --> 00:07:05,791 And that's when he was like, 202 00:07:05,859 --> 00:07:07,626 "Okay, I wanna be honest with you. 203 00:07:07,694 --> 00:07:09,361 "I'm currently dealing with this 204 00:07:09,430 --> 00:07:10,729 "and you're so good-looking. 205 00:07:10,798 --> 00:07:12,697 "So I'm just kind of scared that, you know, 206 00:07:12,766 --> 00:07:14,666 you might not think I look nice." 207 00:07:15,736 --> 00:07:17,335 I never like pushed that. 208 00:07:17,404 --> 00:07:18,937 So I was like, "You know what? I'm gonna give you that space." 209 00:07:19,006 --> 00:07:21,973 - So has he told you what exactly his-- 210 00:07:22,042 --> 00:07:23,575 his health issues are right now? 211 00:07:23,644 --> 00:07:25,744 - No, because he doesn't wanna worry me. 212 00:07:25,813 --> 00:07:27,412 Every time I ask him so he'll be like, 213 00:07:27,481 --> 00:07:30,816 "No, I don't wanna worry you, but just know I'm okay." 214 00:07:30,884 --> 00:07:32,484 - Do you have pictures of him that you can show us? 215 00:07:32,553 --> 00:07:35,654 - Yes. So this is him. 216 00:07:35,722 --> 00:07:39,424 - Oh, wow. - Yeah, Roger. 217 00:07:39,493 --> 00:07:41,660 Wow. - Just, just chilling. 218 00:07:41,728 --> 00:07:43,562 - You can't tell me that man's not confident. 219 00:07:43,630 --> 00:07:45,163 - Well, wait, but this was before. 220 00:07:46,567 --> 00:07:50,335 - These are all pictures from before he got sick, I guess. 221 00:07:51,004 --> 00:07:53,071 - And that's a very full beard. - Yeah. 222 00:07:53,140 --> 00:07:55,540 - So the beard you saw is like same-- 223 00:07:55,609 --> 00:07:57,075 - Yeah. 224 00:07:57,144 --> 00:07:59,077 - I see a--what looks like a wedding ring. 225 00:07:59,146 --> 00:08:00,946 - I've actually never paid attention to that. 226 00:08:01,014 --> 00:08:02,080 Oh, no. 227 00:08:02,149 --> 00:08:03,949 - Kamie, your first thought when we were-- 228 00:08:04,017 --> 00:08:08,019 after reading your email was... - He's married to a woman. 229 00:08:09,189 --> 00:08:10,555 - Listen, I've--I've had, 230 00:08:10,624 --> 00:08:13,058 I've had to deal with my fair share of straight guys. 231 00:08:13,126 --> 00:08:14,693 And I'm not dealing with that again. 232 00:08:14,761 --> 00:08:16,928 - Does he talk about past relationships? 233 00:08:16,997 --> 00:08:18,930 - You know, I've asked him about his past, 234 00:08:18,999 --> 00:08:20,966 and he's always been like, sometimes you just know 235 00:08:21,034 --> 00:08:23,134 that this is not the person for you. 236 00:08:23,203 --> 00:08:25,170 And you just know you have to go separate ways. 237 00:08:25,239 --> 00:08:27,973 And he would always just reassure me, just don't worry, 238 00:08:28,041 --> 00:08:29,975 I can already see that's not gonna happen with you. 239 00:08:30,043 --> 00:08:31,309 And I already know I've found the one. 240 00:08:31,378 --> 00:08:32,811 - The one? - And he would just go on-- 241 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,646 he would just go on about that. 242 00:08:34,715 --> 00:08:36,581 - Zark, are you his gift from God? 243 00:08:36,650 --> 00:08:38,149 - I don't know. Am I? 244 00:08:38,218 --> 00:08:40,252 But see now I'm worried. I was cool before. 245 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,721 But now I'm like, What if he's married? 246 00:08:42,789 --> 00:08:43,989 - I mean, on one hand, 247 00:08:44,057 --> 00:08:45,790 you're right to be skeptical, right? 248 00:08:45,859 --> 00:08:47,759 'Cause you've been talking a long time. 249 00:08:47,828 --> 00:08:50,195 The FaceTiming thing is a little sus. 250 00:08:50,264 --> 00:08:52,864 But I could definitely see this going either way. 251 00:08:52,933 --> 00:08:56,801 - Yeah, I hope that Roger is who you think he is. 252 00:08:56,870 --> 00:08:59,004 I, I think, though, that you were right to think 253 00:08:59,072 --> 00:09:01,039 that there is something that he's hiding. 254 00:09:01,108 --> 00:09:03,642 - Like some of the stuff he does kind of just, like, 255 00:09:03,710 --> 00:09:05,043 doesn't make sense to me because it's like, 256 00:09:05,112 --> 00:09:06,611 what is it that you're not telling me? 257 00:09:06,680 --> 00:09:08,146 You know, what exactly should be worried about? 258 00:09:08,215 --> 00:09:10,215 I, I just need answers at this point. 259 00:09:10,284 --> 00:09:12,350 - All right, well, look, send us his pictures 260 00:09:12,419 --> 00:09:14,953 and his phone number and whatever else you have. 261 00:09:15,022 --> 00:09:18,123 If he's telling the truth, and there's nothing to hide, 262 00:09:18,191 --> 00:09:21,259 then we shouldn't find anything when we do a little research 263 00:09:21,328 --> 00:09:24,796 and we'll get back to you as soon as we have some results. 264 00:09:24,865 --> 00:09:26,565 - My heart is gonna be beating until then, 265 00:09:26,633 --> 00:09:29,901 'cause that whole wedding ring really kind of pushed me back. 266 00:09:29,970 --> 00:09:33,271 So I'm gonna-- I'm gonna try to stay calm. 267 00:09:33,340 --> 00:09:35,006 - All right, Zark, talk soon, buddy. 268 00:09:35,075 --> 00:09:37,175 - All right, talk soon. Bye-bye. 269 00:09:37,244 --> 00:09:39,344 - Bye. 270 00:09:39,413 --> 00:09:41,313 He's married. 271 00:09:41,381 --> 00:09:42,480 - I mean, or the guy 272 00:09:42,549 --> 00:09:43,982 in the pictures might be married. 273 00:09:44,051 --> 00:09:46,117 - The fact that he says that they FaceTimed a few times-- 274 00:09:46,186 --> 00:09:47,953 - Right, but it's almost weirder 275 00:09:48,021 --> 00:09:49,821 that he's done a mouth time. 276 00:09:49,890 --> 00:09:51,456 - I feel like, show me your full face 277 00:09:51,525 --> 00:09:52,991 or get the [bleep] out of here. 278 00:09:53,060 --> 00:09:54,826 - He then revealed that he's been sick lately. 279 00:09:54,895 --> 00:09:56,962 So maybe it's swollen. Maybe he's breaking out. 280 00:09:57,030 --> 00:09:58,663 Maybe he's, you know, you don't know. 281 00:09:58,732 --> 00:10:00,098 - I don't wanna not believe that. 282 00:10:00,167 --> 00:10:02,067 And I know Zark doesn't wanna not believe that. 283 00:10:02,135 --> 00:10:05,337 But he's also been so sketchy that it's like hard to believe 284 00:10:05,405 --> 00:10:08,239 that he's not hiding some big dark secret. 285 00:10:09,810 --> 00:10:11,076 - Let's see your best runway walk. 286 00:10:11,144 --> 00:10:12,877 - Sell the garment, shoulders back. 287 00:10:12,946 --> 00:10:17,749 Let's give them a good turn, and turn. 288 00:10:17,818 --> 00:10:19,818 - Oh, only you lost your balance--deduction. 289 00:10:19,886 --> 00:10:21,720 - It's the shoe. What's up? 290 00:10:21,788 --> 00:10:24,122 - Okay, let's see what we can find on this guy. 291 00:10:25,525 --> 00:10:28,994 Zark, 22, shortly after coming out, he goes online. 292 00:10:29,062 --> 00:10:32,030 He meets Roger, they match. He's cute, but he's older. 293 00:10:32,099 --> 00:10:34,766 He lives in Florida, but they start talking 294 00:10:34,835 --> 00:10:36,267 and that conversation turns into flirting 295 00:10:36,336 --> 00:10:38,737 and they start being into each other. 296 00:10:38,805 --> 00:10:41,306 Interestingly, they have FaceTimed, 297 00:10:41,375 --> 00:10:47,379 but when they FaceTime all Zark sees is like nose down. 298 00:10:47,447 --> 00:10:48,880 Roger reveals he started 299 00:10:48,949 --> 00:10:50,181 undergoing treatment for cancer. 300 00:10:50,250 --> 00:10:51,716 - Allegedly. 301 00:10:51,785 --> 00:10:53,385 - And that even though he hasn't been specific about it, 302 00:10:53,453 --> 00:10:55,820 it must have affected his appearance in some way 303 00:10:55,889 --> 00:10:57,155 that he doesn't want to reveal 304 00:10:57,224 --> 00:10:59,691 until he's looking more like himself. 305 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,060 Zark's been very patient and understanding. 306 00:11:02,129 --> 00:11:03,928 But now it's been two years. He wants to meet the guy. 307 00:11:03,997 --> 00:11:05,930 He's ready to go. - Right. 308 00:11:05,999 --> 00:11:08,166 - All right, let's check and see if Zark emailed us. 309 00:11:08,235 --> 00:11:10,869 He did. "Hi, Nev and Kamie, 310 00:11:10,937 --> 00:11:13,004 "Roger's full name is Roger [bleep]. 311 00:11:13,073 --> 00:11:14,506 "He lives in Orlando and he works 312 00:11:14,574 --> 00:11:16,608 "as a government contractor. Here's his phone number. 313 00:11:16,677 --> 00:11:18,209 "I don't know how many pics you wanted, 314 00:11:18,278 --> 00:11:19,611 "so I just sent them all. 315 00:11:19,680 --> 00:11:21,780 Thanks again for helping, Zark." 316 00:11:21,848 --> 00:11:23,048 All right, let's save these pics. 317 00:11:23,116 --> 00:11:24,716 I love starting with the image search. 318 00:11:24,785 --> 00:11:26,051 - Okay. - This is the one 319 00:11:26,119 --> 00:11:28,086 where he's got his little name tag on. 320 00:11:28,155 --> 00:11:29,254 - Men's tuxedos. 321 00:11:29,322 --> 00:11:31,756 - All right, picture number two. 322 00:11:33,427 --> 00:11:36,361 So that's not a hit. All right, last one. 323 00:11:36,430 --> 00:11:39,364 He's at an event. 324 00:11:39,433 --> 00:11:41,933 No hits on the pics. 325 00:11:42,002 --> 00:11:43,835 All right, let's run the phone number. 326 00:11:43,904 --> 00:11:44,969 - It's the only other thing we have. 327 00:11:45,038 --> 00:11:46,871 Well, we have his name. - Yeah. 328 00:11:46,940 --> 00:11:49,340 - What if it comes back to White House, Joe Biden? 329 00:11:50,310 --> 00:11:51,576 Roger. 330 00:11:51,645 --> 00:11:53,578 both: Casanova. 331 00:11:53,647 --> 00:11:55,080 - That's not even a real name. 332 00:11:55,148 --> 00:11:56,815 - Wow, maybe that's not his real last name, 333 00:11:56,883 --> 00:11:59,551 but it comes up registered someone named Roger. 334 00:11:59,619 --> 00:12:01,519 - You can't trust a Casanova, Nev. 335 00:12:01,588 --> 00:12:02,687 - You know what else we should do? 336 00:12:02,756 --> 00:12:04,055 Cash app. 337 00:12:04,124 --> 00:12:06,491 Plug the number in. You never know. 338 00:12:06,560 --> 00:12:08,593 Someone's got an account. - Spark. 339 00:12:08,662 --> 00:12:10,729 - Oh, ooh. - What? 340 00:12:10,797 --> 00:12:13,064 - There is an account, Roger Dat. 341 00:12:13,133 --> 00:12:15,700 Underneath is a username, Dark [bleep]. 342 00:12:15,769 --> 00:12:17,235 - Mm-hmm. 343 00:12:17,304 --> 00:12:20,672 - Let's just do an Instagram search for this name. 344 00:12:20,741 --> 00:12:22,774 Okay, let's try Dark [bleep]. 345 00:12:22,843 --> 00:12:24,776 Ooh, there is a hit. 346 00:12:24,845 --> 00:12:28,046 - "Czar of the universe"? - [gasps] 347 00:12:28,115 --> 00:12:33,184 Ooh, there he is, there he is. 348 00:12:33,253 --> 00:12:34,285 - No. 349 00:12:34,354 --> 00:12:36,020 - "If you're emotionally sensitive 350 00:12:36,089 --> 00:12:38,590 "and don't like what I post then [bleep] off my profile 351 00:12:38,658 --> 00:12:41,226 "and go play with your chili hole, simple as that. 352 00:12:41,294 --> 00:12:43,595 I'm very direct and unapologetic." 353 00:12:43,663 --> 00:12:46,431 Look, here he is. 354 00:12:46,500 --> 00:12:47,966 - No way. 355 00:12:48,034 --> 00:12:49,100 - He does have an Instagram. 356 00:12:49,169 --> 00:12:51,269 Look, all the pictures that he got sent. 357 00:12:51,338 --> 00:12:54,105 "Smiling violently at you haters that wanna see me down. 358 00:12:54,174 --> 00:12:56,274 None of you cucks can take my joy away." 359 00:12:56,343 --> 00:12:58,276 - Oh, my God. He's a [bleep] weirdo. 360 00:12:58,345 --> 00:13:00,211 - It's just like kind of vulgar, right? 361 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:01,980 - Yeah. Why is he so weird? 362 00:13:02,048 --> 00:13:03,782 What, his captions-- 363 00:13:03,850 --> 00:13:07,085 "Something big and sweet to suck on," what? 364 00:13:07,154 --> 00:13:08,887 - "I'm always in someone's mouth. 365 00:13:08,955 --> 00:13:10,622 "Haters stay talking [bleep]. 366 00:13:10,690 --> 00:13:14,125 "I wish you'd shut the [bleep] up damn good grief. 367 00:13:14,194 --> 00:13:16,427 "You know your mouth's a cage for your tongue 368 00:13:16,496 --> 00:13:19,397 if you just close your teeth. Now shut up, bitch." 369 00:13:19,466 --> 00:13:20,765 - What the [bleep] did you just say to me? 370 00:13:20,834 --> 00:13:22,600 This is a [bleep] weirdo, 371 00:13:22,669 --> 00:13:23,935 somebody's weird-ass uncle. 372 00:13:24,004 --> 00:13:27,806 - Roger might be sweet and lovely with Zark, 373 00:13:27,874 --> 00:13:29,407 but on his Finsta-- 374 00:13:29,476 --> 00:13:30,708 - He's a Sour Patch Kid. 375 00:13:30,777 --> 00:13:34,379 - I wonder if any of this side of Roger's personality 376 00:13:34,447 --> 00:13:36,381 is known to Zark? 377 00:13:36,449 --> 00:13:39,083 Like, if they've talked about anything like this. 378 00:13:39,152 --> 00:13:41,085 - "[bleep] off my page, go play with your chili hole." 379 00:13:41,154 --> 00:13:43,054 Does that seem like the kinda guy that Zark 380 00:13:43,123 --> 00:13:45,256 would wanna be talking to? I don't think so. 381 00:13:45,325 --> 00:13:47,258 - I don't know. Let's see. 382 00:13:47,327 --> 00:13:50,428 I haven't seen any comments. There's only one comment here. 383 00:13:50,497 --> 00:13:52,430 And it's from a woman named Fatou. 384 00:13:52,499 --> 00:13:54,766 "Haven't seen you in a suit in a while." 385 00:13:54,835 --> 00:13:56,067 Maybe she knows him. - It's private. 386 00:13:56,136 --> 00:13:57,502 - Okay, so send her a message. 387 00:13:57,571 --> 00:14:00,104 Just say "Hey, how do you know Czar of the universe?" 388 00:14:00,173 --> 00:14:03,208 - Okay, hey, Fatou, this is Nev. 389 00:14:03,276 --> 00:14:04,909 - Right, you have to say that 'cause it's my account. 390 00:14:04,978 --> 00:14:06,878 - Mm-hmm. We're doing an episode now... 391 00:14:06,947 --> 00:14:08,079 - That involves... - Someone 392 00:14:08,148 --> 00:14:10,582 you may know and could use your help. 393 00:14:10,650 --> 00:14:12,250 Hit me up. - All right. 394 00:14:12,319 --> 00:14:14,385 - This whole thing is very strange to me. 395 00:14:14,454 --> 00:14:17,822 I don't have good vibes. Fatou messaged back. 396 00:14:17,891 --> 00:14:19,023 - Ooh, what? 397 00:14:19,092 --> 00:14:20,191 She said sorry, I'm at work. 398 00:14:20,260 --> 00:14:22,894 I can't Zoom but I can do a phone call. 399 00:14:22,963 --> 00:14:24,729 Okay. Oh. 400 00:14:24,798 --> 00:14:27,198 - Fatou. - Hello. 401 00:14:32,072 --> 00:14:34,038 - Yeah, hey, Fatou, it's--it's Nev. 402 00:14:34,107 --> 00:14:36,074 Thank you for responding so quickly. 403 00:14:36,142 --> 00:14:40,078 We came across your Instagram account. 404 00:14:40,146 --> 00:14:44,515 And a comment left on a picture of a guy 405 00:14:44,584 --> 00:14:47,585 whose username on Instagram is Dark [bleep]. 406 00:14:50,590 --> 00:14:53,191 - Oh, what's his name? 407 00:14:53,260 --> 00:14:55,994 - Okay, that is your friend Roger? 408 00:14:56,062 --> 00:14:57,462 - How long have you known him? 409 00:15:00,767 --> 00:15:03,368 - Is he--wait, is he still married? 410 00:15:11,278 --> 00:15:12,343 - Got it. But when was 411 00:15:12,412 --> 00:15:13,811 the last time you talked to him? 412 00:15:17,150 --> 00:15:18,249 - What was his job then, 413 00:15:18,318 --> 00:15:19,751 like, when you last spoke to him? 414 00:15:19,819 --> 00:15:23,154 We heard that he worked as, like, a government contractor. 415 00:15:29,629 --> 00:15:31,195 - You can't say because you don't know 416 00:15:31,264 --> 00:15:33,231 or you don't feel like you should say? 417 00:15:35,802 --> 00:15:37,435 - Got it. 418 00:15:38,071 --> 00:15:39,337 - Yeah, and also-- 419 00:15:40,807 --> 00:15:42,006 - Not--not at all actually. 420 00:15:42,075 --> 00:15:44,709 We're trying to help someone 421 00:15:44,778 --> 00:15:47,712 who has been talking to Roger. 422 00:15:47,781 --> 00:15:50,148 And we're just trying to make sure Roger is, 423 00:15:50,216 --> 00:15:51,883 you know, the guy he says he is, 424 00:15:51,952 --> 00:15:53,318 but you guys have met in person. 425 00:15:53,386 --> 00:15:54,485 You guys have hung out together? 426 00:15:55,555 --> 00:15:56,654 - One of the things though, obviously, 427 00:15:56,723 --> 00:15:58,289 that we were concerned about. 428 00:15:58,358 --> 00:16:00,091 And one of the reason I didn't wanna bother him directly 429 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:04,195 was because we understood that he might be sick. 430 00:16:04,264 --> 00:16:07,298 He had mentioned possibly cancer. 431 00:16:10,470 --> 00:16:11,970 - Can I just read you the number 432 00:16:12,038 --> 00:16:14,372 or part of the number, whatever, that we have? 433 00:16:14,441 --> 00:16:15,940 And just Can you just say whether or not 434 00:16:16,009 --> 00:16:17,608 that's the same number you have? 435 00:16:20,780 --> 00:16:22,480 - Sure. 436 00:16:28,788 --> 00:16:31,389 - What the [bleep] is going on? - I don't know; it's so weird. 437 00:16:31,458 --> 00:16:33,791 It's possible-- what I said is possible. 438 00:16:33,860 --> 00:16:35,960 He was married. - Or is. 439 00:16:36,029 --> 00:16:38,096 - But could be going through a divorce. 440 00:16:38,164 --> 00:16:39,998 Maybe isn't out, but also it is possible 441 00:16:40,066 --> 00:16:43,368 that somebody knows about Roger and like, 442 00:16:43,436 --> 00:16:45,903 took his pictures and uses his name, 443 00:16:45,972 --> 00:16:48,373 or Fatou is full of [bleep]. 444 00:16:48,441 --> 00:16:50,575 - Right now, she's feeling full of [bleep]. 445 00:16:51,678 --> 00:16:53,578 - Yes, hey. 446 00:16:55,215 --> 00:16:57,348 - That's--I understand. 447 00:16:57,417 --> 00:16:58,783 - Okay. 448 00:16:58,852 --> 00:17:00,651 - All right, bye-bye. 449 00:17:01,688 --> 00:17:03,221 Is her boss, Roger? 450 00:17:03,289 --> 00:17:04,989 That was weird. I don't know 451 00:17:05,058 --> 00:17:09,093 if that makes me feel like we got any closer to the truth. 452 00:17:09,162 --> 00:17:10,495 Or if we're further from the truth. 453 00:17:11,631 --> 00:17:13,831 I feel like something icky -is happening.. 454 00:17:13,900 --> 00:17:17,435 - A lot going on right now. Things just got way weirder. 455 00:17:20,073 --> 00:17:20,938 - Do you wanna come on my left, 456 00:17:21,007 --> 00:17:23,341 just start to sing? Come. 457 00:17:23,410 --> 00:17:26,077 Come... 458 00:17:26,146 --> 00:17:28,880 Just three friends enjoying some potatoes. 459 00:17:28,948 --> 00:17:30,348 - You don't want-- he doesn't want these, does he? 460 00:17:30,417 --> 00:17:31,682 - No, no. 461 00:17:31,751 --> 00:17:35,420 He thinks he does, but. Ooh. 462 00:17:35,488 --> 00:17:38,589 Ew, oh, my God. 463 00:17:38,658 --> 00:17:41,025 - Biggie... - He just drooled all over you. 464 00:17:41,094 --> 00:17:43,294 - Ugh, okay, that's it. That's enough. 465 00:17:43,363 --> 00:17:44,662 I'm sorry. - All right, 466 00:17:44,731 --> 00:17:46,764 so yesterday was a little bit cuckoo. 467 00:17:46,833 --> 00:17:49,067 Because in addition to discovering 468 00:17:49,135 --> 00:17:51,769 that Roger does in fact have Instagram... 469 00:17:51,838 --> 00:17:52,904 - Mm-hmm. 470 00:17:52,972 --> 00:17:54,906 - The content on the Instagram 471 00:17:54,974 --> 00:17:58,242 doesn't really match what Zark told us about Roger. 472 00:17:58,311 --> 00:18:00,378 - Whatever Zark sees in him... 473 00:18:00,447 --> 00:18:02,447 - Right. - It can't be this. 474 00:18:02,515 --> 00:18:04,015 - And then we talked to Fatou. 475 00:18:04,084 --> 00:18:06,217 - Who said she hung out with him and his wife. 476 00:18:06,286 --> 00:18:09,454 - According to Fatou, he might still be married. 477 00:18:09,522 --> 00:18:11,889 - Yeah. - So let me just text... 478 00:18:11,958 --> 00:18:14,992 Jump in the Zoom, so we can chat. 479 00:18:15,061 --> 00:18:17,762 Got a lot to talk about. 480 00:18:18,598 --> 00:18:21,799 [Zoom chimes] Hey. 481 00:18:21,868 --> 00:18:24,135 - Hi. - Hi, what's up? 482 00:18:24,204 --> 00:18:28,973 - Hey, you seem a little more somber today. 483 00:18:29,042 --> 00:18:31,275 - I couldn't even sleep last night 'cause I was like, 484 00:18:31,344 --> 00:18:32,844 Oh, God, Oh, God. Oh, God. 485 00:18:32,912 --> 00:18:35,680 But I'm trying to just hold it together 486 00:18:35,748 --> 00:18:38,649 and, you know, I'm okay. 487 00:18:38,718 --> 00:18:40,685 - Well, should we dive in? 488 00:18:40,753 --> 00:18:45,089 - So we did some research, and we did find some stuff. 489 00:18:45,158 --> 00:18:46,791 Maybe you can help us make some sense out of it. 490 00:18:46,860 --> 00:18:50,328 And then we can decide what the best next step is? 491 00:18:50,396 --> 00:18:51,629 - That sounds good. 492 00:18:51,698 --> 00:18:52,830 - We took the phone number you have 493 00:18:52,899 --> 00:18:54,732 and we ran a search and it came back 494 00:18:54,801 --> 00:18:58,136 as registered to someone named Roger Casanova. 495 00:18:58,204 --> 00:18:59,504 - Interesting. 496 00:18:59,572 --> 00:19:01,372 - Now obviously, Casanova is not the name 497 00:19:01,441 --> 00:19:02,974 you know him by, 498 00:19:03,042 --> 00:19:05,943 but could it be that he used this name sort of as a joke? 499 00:19:06,012 --> 00:19:07,411 - It just sounds made up. - Yeah. 500 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,380 - Right, and then we did something that we've started 501 00:19:09,449 --> 00:19:10,715 doing more recently, 502 00:19:10,783 --> 00:19:13,684 which was we put his phone number into Cashapp. 503 00:19:13,753 --> 00:19:15,353 And when we did that there was a hit. 504 00:19:15,421 --> 00:19:16,954 Do you see that? 505 00:19:17,023 --> 00:19:19,824 - Oh, I do see that. Yes, says Roger something. 506 00:19:19,893 --> 00:19:21,993 - It says Roger Datt. - Okay. 507 00:19:22,061 --> 00:19:26,664 - And then underneath is a username which is Dark [bleep]. 508 00:19:26,733 --> 00:19:29,233 Now if he's going by Roger Datt, 509 00:19:29,302 --> 00:19:30,668 or this Dark [bleep], 510 00:19:30,737 --> 00:19:33,104 maybe we can search those usernames 511 00:19:33,173 --> 00:19:34,772 and see if they pop up anywhere. 512 00:19:34,841 --> 00:19:39,377 So when we searched Dark [bleep] on Instagram, 513 00:19:39,445 --> 00:19:41,245 look what we found. 514 00:19:42,649 --> 00:19:45,082 - That can't be him. There's no way. 515 00:19:45,151 --> 00:19:46,517 - Why do you say that? 516 00:19:46,586 --> 00:19:48,152 - He's given me so many lectures 517 00:19:48,221 --> 00:19:50,555 about how he doesn't like social media 518 00:19:50,623 --> 00:19:53,057 and he doesn't have time for it and-- 519 00:19:53,126 --> 00:19:55,426 - Well, he seems to have time for it. 520 00:19:55,495 --> 00:19:59,897 - I can't even-- 521 00:19:59,966 --> 00:20:02,099 I'm like, I don't even know what to say right now. 522 00:20:02,168 --> 00:20:05,603 - I'm going to warn you that you'll see as we go 523 00:20:05,672 --> 00:20:07,004 through the pictures 524 00:20:07,073 --> 00:20:09,774 that a lot of what he says and his captioning 525 00:20:09,842 --> 00:20:14,278 on this account is like dark and mean and strange. 526 00:20:14,347 --> 00:20:15,746 And it just didn't read to us 527 00:20:15,815 --> 00:20:18,883 like something you would personally be attracted to. 528 00:20:18,952 --> 00:20:19,984 - Okay. 529 00:20:20,053 --> 00:20:21,419 - We'll take you on this roller coaster. 530 00:20:21,487 --> 00:20:22,987 So here he says in the comments, 531 00:20:23,056 --> 00:20:25,856 "Smiling violently at you haters that wanna see me down. 532 00:20:25,925 --> 00:20:28,259 None of you cucks can take my joy away." 533 00:20:28,328 --> 00:20:29,627 I don't know if this is like 534 00:20:29,696 --> 00:20:31,429 the type of language he uses with you. 535 00:20:31,497 --> 00:20:32,630 - No. 536 00:20:32,699 --> 00:20:34,632 - But it felt kind of weird to us. 537 00:20:34,701 --> 00:20:36,133 Here's another weird one of him 538 00:20:36,202 --> 00:20:38,135 standing inside of the mouth of a sculpture. 539 00:20:38,204 --> 00:20:40,738 And it says, "I'm always in someone's mouth. 540 00:20:40,807 --> 00:20:43,040 Haters stay talking [bleep]. 541 00:20:43,109 --> 00:20:46,110 I wish you'd shut the [bleep] up damn good grief. 542 00:20:46,179 --> 00:20:48,813 You know your mouth's a cage for your tongue 543 00:20:48,881 --> 00:20:52,083 if you just close your teeth. Now shut up, bitch." 544 00:20:52,151 --> 00:20:53,718 - I'm already done with this. 545 00:20:53,786 --> 00:20:56,654 Like, I don't even wanna know anymore. 546 00:20:56,723 --> 00:20:58,356 - We didn't even go over the bio. 547 00:20:58,424 --> 00:21:00,191 The bio says, "If you're emotionally sensitive 548 00:21:00,260 --> 00:21:02,960 and don't like what I post, then [bleep] off my profile, 549 00:21:03,029 --> 00:21:06,030 and go play with your chili hole, simple as that. 550 00:21:06,099 --> 00:21:08,633 I'm very direct and unapologetic." 551 00:21:08,701 --> 00:21:10,768 - He should be apologetic, actually. 552 00:21:10,837 --> 00:21:12,770 - It's offensive. 553 00:21:12,839 --> 00:21:15,239 - I'm sorry if I turned red. I'm just embarrassed. 554 00:21:15,308 --> 00:21:19,610 This is not at all what I'm exposed to 555 00:21:19,679 --> 00:21:21,445 or used to or familiar with. 556 00:21:21,514 --> 00:21:25,916 Like, this looks like an evil twin--like, I don't know. 557 00:21:25,985 --> 00:21:28,352 That got deep really quick. 558 00:21:28,421 --> 00:21:30,054 - So, so our first thought, 559 00:21:30,123 --> 00:21:31,722 which I think is probably yours, 560 00:21:31,791 --> 00:21:34,225 after kind of just the confusion was, 561 00:21:34,294 --> 00:21:36,794 we need to verify if this account is even him. 562 00:21:36,863 --> 00:21:38,829 So you know, we just sort of started 563 00:21:38,898 --> 00:21:40,931 going through the comments. And this girl Fatou says, 564 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,933 "Haven't seen you in a suit in a while." 565 00:21:43,002 --> 00:21:44,902 So we messaged Fatou. - Yeah. 566 00:21:44,971 --> 00:21:46,304 - And we chatted. I told her, 567 00:21:46,372 --> 00:21:48,272 we found you through the Dark [bleep] page. 568 00:21:48,341 --> 00:21:49,940 Is that someone you know? 569 00:21:50,009 --> 00:21:53,244 And she's like, "Yeah, that's my friend Roger. 570 00:21:53,313 --> 00:21:55,479 We've been friends a really long time." 571 00:21:55,548 --> 00:21:56,881 - So we asked her, you know, 572 00:21:56,949 --> 00:21:58,449 have you hung out with him in person? 573 00:21:58,518 --> 00:22:00,518 And she's like, "Yeah, I used to hang out with him 574 00:22:00,586 --> 00:22:02,987 all the time with his wife." 575 00:22:04,490 --> 00:22:07,158 Now, she said that they were having some issues 576 00:22:07,226 --> 00:22:09,393 and that things were kind of all over the place. 577 00:22:09,462 --> 00:22:11,128 So she wasn't sure... - She wasn't sure, right. 578 00:22:11,197 --> 00:22:13,030 - If they were still married or not. 579 00:22:13,099 --> 00:22:15,099 But back when she was hanging out with him, 580 00:22:15,168 --> 00:22:18,869 he was married to a woman. 581 00:22:18,938 --> 00:22:21,105 - I'm sorry, I really don't wanna cry right now. 582 00:22:21,174 --> 00:22:24,008 I really don't--I'm really trying not to right now. 583 00:22:25,378 --> 00:22:27,611 - When we asked her about his job, 584 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,080 and what he does, 585 00:22:29,148 --> 00:22:30,715 she was like, well, I'm not sure. 586 00:22:30,783 --> 00:22:32,850 And I said, Well, does he work in like government contracting? 587 00:22:32,919 --> 00:22:35,319 She said, "I'm pretty sure he does not do that." 588 00:22:35,388 --> 00:22:39,023 - And then when we asked Fatou, we heard that he had been sick, 589 00:22:39,092 --> 00:22:41,225 like, do you know anything about him having cancer, 590 00:22:41,294 --> 00:22:44,962 she said, "I don't believe that he's sick." 591 00:22:45,031 --> 00:22:47,832 - But again, she hasn't really talked to him recently. 592 00:22:47,900 --> 00:22:50,334 So, it's all--you know. 593 00:22:50,403 --> 00:22:53,104 - He's dealing with this for a while though. 594 00:22:53,172 --> 00:22:55,740 So it's not like it just came. 595 00:23:00,847 --> 00:23:03,080 I don't know. 596 00:23:04,350 --> 00:23:05,649 I... 597 00:23:05,718 --> 00:23:07,284 - ♪ Now I can't sleep ♪ 598 00:23:07,353 --> 00:23:10,321 ♪ On those words that you speak ♪ 599 00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:12,623 I don't know what to say. 600 00:23:12,692 --> 00:23:15,793 - ♪ Like a knife that cuts deep, you spill my blood, 601 00:23:15,862 --> 00:23:18,729 - I keep feeling so stupid. 602 00:23:18,798 --> 00:23:20,498 Because yesterday, when you guys said, 603 00:23:20,566 --> 00:23:22,666 "Oh, maybe he's married, that'sa wedding ring." 604 00:23:22,735 --> 00:23:25,102 I was like, "There's no way." 605 00:23:26,372 --> 00:23:27,571 And then... 606 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,574 - ♪ So can we keep chasing dreams ♪ 607 00:23:30,643 --> 00:23:33,644 - He has an Instagram and... 608 00:23:33,713 --> 00:23:36,046 you know, has he been lying to me about being sick? 609 00:23:36,115 --> 00:23:38,549 I'm, like, battling inside right now. 610 00:23:38,618 --> 00:23:41,185 Like, part of me is like no, no, there has to be a reason. 611 00:23:41,254 --> 00:23:42,753 There has to be, and then I'm like, no, 612 00:23:42,822 --> 00:23:45,022 [bleep] the reason, like... 613 00:23:45,091 --> 00:23:46,690 [sighs] I don't know. 614 00:23:46,759 --> 00:23:48,192 - ♪ 'cause the words that you speak ♪ 615 00:23:48,261 --> 00:23:49,727 ♪ Like a knife, they cut deep ♪ 616 00:23:49,796 --> 00:23:52,930 ♪ And you spill my blood ♪ 617 00:23:52,999 --> 00:23:56,834 - I still wanna believe, as crazy as that sounds, 618 00:23:56,903 --> 00:24:00,137 but I'm just gonna have to wait, I guess. 619 00:24:00,206 --> 00:24:05,276 - ♪ Can we keep chasing dreams? ♪ 620 00:24:06,746 --> 00:24:07,978 - Yesterday when you guys said, 621 00:24:08,047 --> 00:24:09,680 "Oh, maybe he's married. That's a wedding ring," 622 00:24:09,749 --> 00:24:13,951 I was like, "There's no way." And then he has an Instagram 623 00:24:14,020 --> 00:24:16,187 and has he been lying to me about being sick. 624 00:24:16,255 --> 00:24:19,623 It's just like, I wanna know why. 625 00:24:19,692 --> 00:24:22,259 Simple, forget everything.-- I just wanna know why. 626 00:24:22,328 --> 00:24:23,427 Why me? 627 00:24:23,496 --> 00:24:26,730 Why come to me in this loving, adoring way? 628 00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:28,432 Why are you doing this to me? You know what I'm saying? 629 00:24:28,501 --> 00:24:30,067 - Well, what if, what if the answer to that 630 00:24:30,136 --> 00:24:31,535 is "I really like you"? 631 00:24:31,604 --> 00:24:33,170 - And it's him. 632 00:24:34,574 --> 00:24:36,740 because then he should have been honest from the get-go. 633 00:24:36,809 --> 00:24:39,343 like, I just need to just hear from him. 634 00:24:39,412 --> 00:24:41,011 Like, you're a liar. 635 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,048 Why is that? What did I do to deserve this? 636 00:24:44,116 --> 00:24:46,050 - The only way to get answers to these questions 637 00:24:46,118 --> 00:24:48,986 is to reach out to Roger. 638 00:24:49,055 --> 00:24:51,455 - I agree. - We've got his number. 639 00:24:51,524 --> 00:24:53,357 [tense music] 640 00:24:53,426 --> 00:24:55,259 - Do we wanna call? 641 00:24:55,328 --> 00:24:58,295 - All right, well, let's try. Let me just see. 642 00:24:58,364 --> 00:25:00,931 [line trilling] 643 00:25:02,201 --> 00:25:04,902 - Please leave your message for... 644 00:25:04,971 --> 00:25:07,838 - All right, let me text the number. 645 00:25:07,907 --> 00:25:09,773 Hey, Roger. 646 00:25:09,842 --> 00:25:14,578 This is Nev, would love to chat. 647 00:25:16,516 --> 00:25:18,082 Thanks. 648 00:25:19,585 --> 00:25:21,051 Okay, sent. 649 00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:22,820 Let's just see if he gets back to us. 650 00:25:22,889 --> 00:25:26,824 - Ooh, now we do the best part of our job. 651 00:25:26,893 --> 00:25:28,826 Wait. 652 00:25:28,895 --> 00:25:30,060 [phone chimes] Oh, oh. 653 00:25:30,129 --> 00:25:31,362 - Roger wrote back. 654 00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:33,964 He said, "I figured this call was coming. 655 00:25:34,033 --> 00:25:36,800 How is Zark?" 656 00:25:36,869 --> 00:25:39,169 - Okay. - It's an interesting response. 657 00:25:39,238 --> 00:25:42,239 "I figured this call was coming," which to me suggests 658 00:25:42,308 --> 00:25:44,642 that, like, he knows he's been deceiving you 659 00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:47,945 in some way that would potentially result 660 00:25:48,014 --> 00:25:50,948 in, like, being on a show, Catfish? 661 00:25:51,717 --> 00:25:54,652 - But again, interestingly, and this is very unusual. 662 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,021 He asks, "How is Zark?" 663 00:25:57,089 --> 00:25:59,990 Like he shows concern for your feelings. 664 00:26:00,059 --> 00:26:03,160 So I'll say... 665 00:26:10,469 --> 00:26:12,970 Oh, all right, he says, "I'm out right now. 666 00:26:13,039 --> 00:26:14,772 I'd rather do this at home." 667 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,541 I understand. 668 00:26:17,610 --> 00:26:20,244 When will you be home? 669 00:26:24,450 --> 00:26:25,849 - I have a love-hate relationship 670 00:26:25,918 --> 00:26:27,251 with the typing bubble. 671 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,820 Sometimes I wish it just wasn't there. 672 00:26:30,489 --> 00:26:31,655 - Oh, he says, "If I leave right now, 673 00:26:31,724 --> 00:26:33,257 "I can be home in an hour. 674 00:26:33,326 --> 00:26:35,359 "And I'm sorry, but I think I need to do this at home, 675 00:26:36,462 --> 00:26:38,228 - What is "this," though? What is "this"? 676 00:26:38,297 --> 00:26:43,000 - Okay, we will give you one hour. 677 00:26:44,136 --> 00:26:46,136 - Oh, you being spicy. - Can I send that? 678 00:26:46,205 --> 00:26:48,539 - Go for it. - Yes. 679 00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:51,942 Well, we got a little bit of time. 680 00:26:52,011 --> 00:26:54,244 Let's hope that he shows his face. 681 00:26:54,313 --> 00:26:57,114 And then you can figure out how you feel. 682 00:26:57,183 --> 00:26:59,249 - Talk to you soon. Bye. 683 00:27:01,487 --> 00:27:03,387 [sighs] 684 00:27:03,456 --> 00:27:06,790 I just, I'm waiting for that explanation. 685 00:27:06,859 --> 00:27:09,193 I really--I really am. 686 00:27:09,261 --> 00:27:12,663 This is the person who I wanna be with 687 00:27:12,732 --> 00:27:16,533 and this is the person who, you know, is for me. 688 00:27:16,602 --> 00:27:19,403 I'm waiting to see how he's gonna explain all of this. 689 00:27:19,472 --> 00:27:22,373 So... 690 00:27:22,441 --> 00:27:24,241 I guess, I guess, I just have to wait. 691 00:27:28,981 --> 00:27:32,016 - All right, hey. - Hey. 692 00:27:32,084 --> 00:27:34,485 - Ohh. - Oh, man, you okay? 693 00:27:34,553 --> 00:27:37,087 - No, I've just been sitting here thinking 694 00:27:37,156 --> 00:27:40,658 I was just being lied to, really, 695 00:27:40,726 --> 00:27:42,092 'cause it seemed like 696 00:27:42,161 --> 00:27:45,162 I really knew this person and to find out 697 00:27:45,231 --> 00:27:48,966 I don't actually know this person, you know? 698 00:27:49,035 --> 00:27:51,535 - Oh, he texted us. He says, "I'm back." 699 00:27:51,604 --> 00:27:52,936 So I guess that means he's home. 700 00:27:53,005 --> 00:27:54,338 - Okay. 701 00:27:54,407 --> 00:27:55,939 - I'm just gonna say okay, great. 702 00:27:56,008 --> 00:28:00,144 We are in the Zoom now with Zark. 703 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,248 - Are we ready? - I'm trying to be ready. 704 00:28:04,316 --> 00:28:06,450 - And hopefully, there's a reasonable explanation 705 00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:07,851 for everything. 706 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,820 - How do I look? Do I look great? 707 00:28:09,889 --> 00:28:11,622 - You look fabulous. 708 00:28:11,691 --> 00:28:13,257 - Thank you, thank you. 709 00:28:13,325 --> 00:28:16,393 [soft dramatic music] 710 00:28:16,462 --> 00:28:18,095 ♪ ♪ 711 00:28:18,164 --> 00:28:19,430 [Zoom chimes] 712 00:28:24,036 --> 00:28:26,136 - Roger, are you there? 713 00:28:27,540 --> 00:28:29,273 - Oh. - Hello? 714 00:28:30,376 --> 00:28:31,341 [Zoom chimes] 715 00:28:31,410 --> 00:28:34,278 [tense dramatic music] 716 00:28:34,346 --> 00:28:35,746 ♪ ♪ 717 00:28:35,815 --> 00:28:37,881 - Roger, are you there? 718 00:28:39,251 --> 00:28:44,221 - Hello? - Ohh. 719 00:28:44,290 --> 00:28:45,689 - Hi, Zark. 720 00:28:45,758 --> 00:28:48,125 - Hi. 721 00:28:48,194 --> 00:28:49,827 - Hi. 722 00:28:49,895 --> 00:28:53,030 - Hi. - It's nice to see you. 723 00:28:54,266 --> 00:28:55,799 - I didn't mean 724 00:28:55,868 --> 00:28:57,868 to drag it out this long or anything like that. 725 00:28:57,937 --> 00:28:59,303 I was kinda nervous. 726 00:28:59,371 --> 00:29:02,339 And I hope that you give me a chance to explain. 727 00:29:02,408 --> 00:29:04,742 - Okay, explain yourself. 728 00:29:04,810 --> 00:29:07,377 - What would you like me to explain? 729 00:29:07,446 --> 00:29:10,547 - Well, so far it seems like almost everything 730 00:29:10,616 --> 00:29:12,783 I know has been a lie, so. 731 00:29:12,852 --> 00:29:14,318 - I have nothing to hide, obviously. 732 00:29:14,386 --> 00:29:16,420 - Well, I just found that you have an Instagram, 733 00:29:16,489 --> 00:29:17,721 even though you swore up 734 00:29:17,790 --> 00:29:19,890 and down that social media is not for you. 735 00:29:19,959 --> 00:29:21,759 That's shady. 736 00:29:21,827 --> 00:29:23,927 - I mean, I didn't want you to, like, 737 00:29:23,996 --> 00:29:25,562 look at my Instagram page 738 00:29:25,631 --> 00:29:27,030 and it was kind of a way 739 00:29:27,099 --> 00:29:30,534 to me, like, seeing your pictures on there too. 740 00:29:30,603 --> 00:29:34,271 - Oh, so you've been stalking me on my page. 741 00:29:34,340 --> 00:29:36,540 - It's not stalking. I was just looking. 742 00:29:36,609 --> 00:29:38,142 - To make things worse, 743 00:29:38,210 --> 00:29:39,943 you're a whole different person on Instagram. 744 00:29:40,012 --> 00:29:41,612 - How can you-- - You're just so negative, 745 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,481 you're just so angry, you're just so full of hate. 746 00:29:44,550 --> 00:29:46,250 You're not the person 747 00:29:46,318 --> 00:29:48,352 who I speak to and can make me laugh. 748 00:29:48,420 --> 00:29:52,022 You're out here saying all these vulgar things. 749 00:29:52,091 --> 00:29:53,791 Is that who you are? 750 00:29:53,859 --> 00:29:57,461 - You're judging me on a few posts and pictures, 751 00:29:57,530 --> 00:30:00,430 or memes. So you know... 752 00:30:02,902 --> 00:30:04,601 - Well, I think what's confusing is, 753 00:30:04,670 --> 00:30:06,303 you are the person at least 754 00:30:06,372 --> 00:30:08,605 that you presented yourself to be physically. 755 00:30:08,674 --> 00:30:10,140 So what would be the reason 756 00:30:10,209 --> 00:30:12,643 to not include Zark in that Instagram? 757 00:30:12,711 --> 00:30:14,845 - I guess it was just more like, 758 00:30:14,914 --> 00:30:16,613 I was trying to buy time. 759 00:30:16,682 --> 00:30:18,549 - You say you were trying to buy time? What do you mean? 760 00:30:18,617 --> 00:30:21,485 - Trying to buy time to like, have the nerve to, to meet. 761 00:30:21,554 --> 00:30:23,187 - Two years wasn't enough time for you? 762 00:30:23,255 --> 00:30:25,088 What do you need, five years? Ten years? 763 00:30:25,157 --> 00:30:27,157 How much longer was I supposed to be dealing with this? 764 00:30:27,226 --> 00:30:28,625 You're over here telling me 765 00:30:28,694 --> 00:30:30,828 you're insecure because you're going through cancer, 766 00:30:30,896 --> 00:30:33,864 and I'm finding out that's a lie. 767 00:30:33,933 --> 00:30:35,299 - Well, excuse me, wait a minute, 768 00:30:35,367 --> 00:30:37,901 I actually did go through cancer treatment, 769 00:30:37,970 --> 00:30:40,037 and I was recovering. 770 00:30:40,105 --> 00:30:42,105 You know, I kinda gained some weight. 771 00:30:42,174 --> 00:30:45,642 I lost a little bit of hair. I was not feeling confident. 772 00:30:45,711 --> 00:30:48,612 And then again, you know, you're younger than me. 773 00:30:48,681 --> 00:30:51,114 So I was buying myself time. 774 00:30:51,183 --> 00:30:52,549 - If you don't mind, Roger, 775 00:30:52,618 --> 00:30:54,985 I think the conversation got off to a wonky start. 776 00:30:55,054 --> 00:30:57,020 So your name is Roger [bleep]? 777 00:30:57,089 --> 00:30:59,022 - Yes, yes, it is. 778 00:30:59,091 --> 00:31:01,992 - Can you kind of fill us in on who you are, 779 00:31:02,061 --> 00:31:03,927 what you do, where you live, 780 00:31:03,996 --> 00:31:06,096 so that we can all be on the same page? 781 00:31:06,165 --> 00:31:08,298 - I lied to you saying that I lived in Orlando. 782 00:31:08,367 --> 00:31:11,301 I actually live in the DC area. 783 00:31:11,370 --> 00:31:14,204 - Where exactly in DC area? 'cause I work in DC. 784 00:31:14,273 --> 00:31:17,007 - About 15 minutes away from where you work. 785 00:31:19,812 --> 00:31:22,613 I mean, if I woulda told you, you would have wanted to meet. 786 00:31:22,681 --> 00:31:23,881 - For obvious reasons. 787 00:31:23,949 --> 00:31:25,716 - Okay, so you live in DC. 788 00:31:25,784 --> 00:31:27,851 You are 31. Is that correct? 789 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:32,389 - Um, well, I mean-- 790 00:31:32,458 --> 00:31:34,324 I told him I was 31. 791 00:31:34,393 --> 00:31:36,126 I'm 45. 792 00:31:36,195 --> 00:31:40,330 - Okay, 45 is-- that's a big difference. 793 00:31:40,399 --> 00:31:43,000 You know, that's, that's-- you're--you're like, 794 00:31:43,068 --> 00:31:44,701 at least 10 years older than you said you were. 795 00:31:44,770 --> 00:31:46,770 That is a big thing that I would understand you 796 00:31:46,839 --> 00:31:49,706 not wanting him to find out. 797 00:31:49,775 --> 00:31:51,341 And what do you do? 798 00:31:51,410 --> 00:31:54,344 - I-I told him that I worked for a government contract job 799 00:31:54,413 --> 00:31:58,582 because most people in DC know that having those kinda jobs, 800 00:31:58,651 --> 00:32:00,484 you can't have social media. 801 00:32:00,552 --> 00:32:03,120 But I actually work for a doctor, 802 00:32:03,188 --> 00:32:06,123 doing billing and coding. You're being mad. 803 00:32:06,191 --> 00:32:07,624 But honestly, at the end of the day, 804 00:32:07,693 --> 00:32:10,360 our conversations were real about everything, 805 00:32:10,429 --> 00:32:14,264 except for the fact of how old I was and where I lived, 806 00:32:14,333 --> 00:32:16,033 and what I did for a living. 807 00:32:16,101 --> 00:32:17,567 - Do you wanna rethink that? 808 00:32:17,636 --> 00:32:20,404 Because I just found out you're married to a woman. 809 00:32:20,472 --> 00:32:22,706 - [laughs] 810 00:32:22,775 --> 00:32:24,107 - How's--how's that going? 811 00:32:24,176 --> 00:32:26,043 - Are you still married? 812 00:32:26,111 --> 00:32:29,646 - Well, um... 813 00:32:29,715 --> 00:32:32,249 No, I'm not married, actually. 814 00:32:32,318 --> 00:32:35,552 I was married, but I don't speak with my ex-wife. 815 00:32:35,621 --> 00:32:37,387 We don't have any children together. 816 00:32:37,456 --> 00:32:40,090 That wasn't even important. Because there wasn't anything 817 00:32:40,159 --> 00:32:43,527 that would struck, you know, where we were going. 818 00:32:43,595 --> 00:32:44,528 - So just to understand, 819 00:32:44,596 --> 00:32:46,163 you weren't hiding your social media 820 00:32:46,231 --> 00:32:47,731 because of your former marriage, 821 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,166 you were hiding it 822 00:32:49,234 --> 00:32:51,368 because you didn't want him following you or-- 823 00:32:51,437 --> 00:32:53,437 or seeing that because he would discover 824 00:32:53,505 --> 00:32:55,439 that you were older or that you didn't work-- 825 00:32:55,507 --> 00:32:57,140 - I-I think he would have discovered 826 00:32:57,209 --> 00:33:00,777 if he woulda seen me that I'm in the same area as him. 827 00:33:00,846 --> 00:33:02,612 I lied, but listen, 828 00:33:02,681 --> 00:33:05,115 at least I'm not giving you a fake picture 829 00:33:05,184 --> 00:33:08,352 or asking you to send me money or anything like that. 830 00:33:08,420 --> 00:33:10,620 - I think we could argue that you didn't give him 831 00:33:10,689 --> 00:33:13,423 a fake picture visually of what you look like. 832 00:33:13,492 --> 00:33:15,726 But you did give him a fake picture 833 00:33:15,794 --> 00:33:17,294 of what your life is like. 834 00:33:17,363 --> 00:33:21,398 - I understand that, but I was going through something. 835 00:33:21,467 --> 00:33:24,801 I was just recovering from my cancer treatment. 836 00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:26,470 I had a lot of weight gain. 837 00:33:26,538 --> 00:33:28,905 So, of course, I was trying to lose weight, 838 00:33:28,974 --> 00:33:30,474 because you're skinny. 839 00:33:30,542 --> 00:33:32,242 And according to your Instagram, 840 00:33:32,311 --> 00:33:34,111 you're a model and you do things. 841 00:33:34,179 --> 00:33:36,380 So it's like I got self-conscious about it. 842 00:33:36,448 --> 00:33:38,148 But honestly, at the end of the day, 843 00:33:38,217 --> 00:33:39,416 I wasn't trying to hurt you. 844 00:33:39,485 --> 00:33:41,685 It's nothing to be mad about. 845 00:33:41,754 --> 00:33:44,588 - I mean, you can't really judge how I'm about to feel. 846 00:33:44,656 --> 00:33:46,590 Like, I have every right to be upset. 847 00:33:46,658 --> 00:33:49,659 You might not think it's a big deal, but it's-- 848 00:33:49,728 --> 00:33:52,129 To me, it's kind of like being blindsided. 849 00:33:52,197 --> 00:33:54,865 - It's not blindsided, because I wasn't interfering 850 00:33:54,933 --> 00:33:56,199 or hurting your life. 851 00:33:56,268 --> 00:33:58,935 I didn't do anything to hurt you. 852 00:33:59,004 --> 00:34:01,038 So it's not even a waste of time. 853 00:34:01,106 --> 00:34:02,739 - That's subjective. 854 00:34:02,808 --> 00:34:06,643 And that would be according to how Zark feels right now 855 00:34:06,712 --> 00:34:09,279 and he looks like he's hurt. - Yeah, you're right. 856 00:34:09,348 --> 00:34:12,315 Why don't we let Zark say how he feels? 857 00:34:14,286 --> 00:34:17,654 - Do you love me? - I love you--of course, I do. 858 00:34:17,723 --> 00:34:20,123 I understand you found out some lies and you're upset, 859 00:34:20,192 --> 00:34:23,460 but at the same time... 860 00:34:23,529 --> 00:34:26,830 I'm not a bad guy. You can't judge me. 861 00:34:26,899 --> 00:34:29,433 - Look, we're not trying to call you a bad person, 862 00:34:29,501 --> 00:34:32,803 but for you as a 43-year-old to go on Tinder, 863 00:34:32,871 --> 00:34:37,374 say you're 31, it does say something about your character. 864 00:34:37,443 --> 00:34:39,276 - I don't think that it's a bad character. 865 00:34:39,344 --> 00:34:41,278 There's people doing worse things lying, 866 00:34:41,346 --> 00:34:42,579 stealing, cheating. 867 00:34:42,648 --> 00:34:44,247 I've never asked him for anything. 868 00:34:44,316 --> 00:34:46,249 I understand that I've lied. 869 00:34:46,318 --> 00:34:49,352 But at the same time, it wasn't something severe. 870 00:34:49,421 --> 00:34:51,188 At least you didn't find out that I was a criminal 871 00:34:51,256 --> 00:34:54,791 or I had eight children, or that I was still married. 872 00:34:54,860 --> 00:34:56,226 - For sure. 873 00:34:56,295 --> 00:34:58,462 - Everyone's threshold for worse is different. 874 00:34:58,530 --> 00:35:01,331 - I guess. - Okay, wow. 875 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,634 Well, this is a lot of new information for Zark. 876 00:35:04,703 --> 00:35:08,371 And if it's cool, I'd like to just take a minute, 877 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,974 separately, just as-- just to check in with Zark. 878 00:35:11,043 --> 00:35:13,143 - Okay. 879 00:35:13,212 --> 00:35:16,046 - How are you feeling right now? 880 00:35:16,115 --> 00:35:18,148 - I don't know what to say. 881 00:35:18,217 --> 00:35:20,917 It's just like a big, like, tornado in my head. 882 00:35:20,986 --> 00:35:24,254 - He needs to stop saying it's not that bad of a lie. 883 00:35:24,323 --> 00:35:26,690 A lie is a lie. It's not, 884 00:35:26,758 --> 00:35:28,992 "Yeah, I lied about that, but I could've lied about this. 885 00:35:29,061 --> 00:35:31,828 And I didn't lie about that." Do you want a [bleep] cookie? 886 00:35:31,897 --> 00:35:33,864 Like, that's not how lying works. 887 00:35:33,932 --> 00:35:36,967 This guy needs to take some [bleep] responsibility pronto. 888 00:35:37,035 --> 00:35:38,268 - Right, that's what I'm saying. 889 00:35:38,337 --> 00:35:40,837 I just need to just hear that from him. 890 00:35:42,574 --> 00:35:44,774 But I don't know. 891 00:35:44,843 --> 00:35:47,144 I don't even know what to believe right now. 892 00:35:48,413 --> 00:35:49,379 - Right now, I'm at the point 893 00:35:49,448 --> 00:35:52,582 where there's part of me that's like, 894 00:35:52,651 --> 00:35:54,951 you're meeting this person for the first time, 895 00:35:55,020 --> 00:35:57,053 basically, in a way. 896 00:35:57,122 --> 00:35:59,156 And even after finding everything out, 897 00:35:59,224 --> 00:36:02,092 like I still wanna, 898 00:36:02,161 --> 00:36:04,895 you know, believe he's a good person, 899 00:36:04,963 --> 00:36:07,797 I think I genuinely am curious. 900 00:36:07,866 --> 00:36:11,034 - I just--I just want for you, 901 00:36:11,103 --> 00:36:12,702 if you do choose to meet up with him, 902 00:36:12,771 --> 00:36:14,571 that's completely up to you. 903 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,308 But just be conscious of when people are trying 904 00:36:18,377 --> 00:36:21,378 to manipulate your emotions. 905 00:36:21,446 --> 00:36:23,380 My instinct and my gut tells me 906 00:36:23,448 --> 00:36:26,783 that he is using his maturity level 907 00:36:26,852 --> 00:36:29,219 to manipulate the situation 908 00:36:29,288 --> 00:36:33,223 and the way that you feel about what he's done. 909 00:36:33,292 --> 00:36:36,159 - The other question is, do you wanna date a 45-year-old? 910 00:36:36,228 --> 00:36:39,963 - I feel like this whole actual age difference, 911 00:36:40,032 --> 00:36:42,799 I definitely feel like that's strange 912 00:36:42,868 --> 00:36:44,401 and is something I'm new to, 913 00:36:44,469 --> 00:36:47,637 but he was able to hold my attention for this long 914 00:36:47,706 --> 00:36:49,172 and just being able to connect with somebody 915 00:36:49,241 --> 00:36:53,210 that quickly on such a random and unusual way, 916 00:36:53,278 --> 00:36:55,745 I think it's a good start. 917 00:36:55,814 --> 00:36:57,614 - So look, let's bring him back in. 918 00:36:57,683 --> 00:37:00,150 Why don't you say to him what you feel like you need to about 919 00:37:00,219 --> 00:37:03,453 if you see this relationship continuing? 920 00:37:03,522 --> 00:37:04,988 - I can do that. 921 00:37:05,057 --> 00:37:08,391 - All right, let's bring Roger back. 922 00:37:10,128 --> 00:37:12,796 [Zoom chimes] 923 00:37:12,864 --> 00:37:14,698 - Hi. - All right, we're back. 924 00:37:14,766 --> 00:37:17,500 - Well, I wanna start off to apologize to you, Zark, 925 00:37:17,569 --> 00:37:22,305 for, you know, lying to you about everything. 926 00:37:22,374 --> 00:37:24,674 It--it just kind of spun out of control, 927 00:37:24,743 --> 00:37:29,112 but I apologize and I'm very sorry. 928 00:37:32,584 --> 00:37:37,187 - I hear your apology. And... 929 00:37:37,256 --> 00:37:41,291 I genuinely...believe you. 930 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,961 But it's been a roller coaster of emotions. 931 00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:50,433 It's been like a whole brand-new... 932 00:37:50,502 --> 00:37:53,637 side of you that I never knew existed. 933 00:37:53,705 --> 00:37:57,307 I think I definitely need, like, a little bit of space. 934 00:37:57,376 --> 00:38:01,678 But I'm willing to start over. 935 00:38:01,747 --> 00:38:04,714 You've been nothing but good to me. 936 00:38:04,783 --> 00:38:06,983 And I can see the care that you tell me. 937 00:38:07,052 --> 00:38:08,585 I can see the love that you tell me. 938 00:38:08,654 --> 00:38:11,855 I can see everything that you, you know, made me believe. 939 00:38:11,923 --> 00:38:14,057 But with that being said, 940 00:38:14,126 --> 00:38:16,459 I wanna see how you treat me in person. 941 00:38:16,528 --> 00:38:18,995 I wanna see what side of you am I gonna see. 942 00:38:19,064 --> 00:38:20,363 In the back of my head, 943 00:38:20,432 --> 00:38:22,332 I'm always gonna be kind of like, 944 00:38:22,401 --> 00:38:24,668 oh, should I trust this? Should I not? 945 00:38:24,736 --> 00:38:31,174 But I think if I actually feel the love and care that you say, 946 00:38:31,243 --> 00:38:35,111 then I think I'll be fully content 947 00:38:35,180 --> 00:38:39,349 in moving this forward to start a new page. 948 00:38:39,418 --> 00:38:41,618 - I feel--I feel that's fair. 949 00:38:41,687 --> 00:38:43,553 I feel that's fair. 950 00:38:43,622 --> 00:38:47,457 And, you know, I-I again, I extend another apology to you 951 00:38:47,526 --> 00:38:50,860 because I wasn't trying to play games with you 952 00:38:50,929 --> 00:38:52,262 or waste your time. 953 00:38:52,331 --> 00:38:54,464 I'd still like to get to know you. 954 00:38:54,533 --> 00:38:56,333 - But this time everything's on the table. 955 00:38:56,401 --> 00:38:57,967 All the cards are out. 956 00:38:58,036 --> 00:38:59,502 And of course one step at a time, 957 00:38:59,571 --> 00:39:01,471 but this time we're gonna build from honesty. 958 00:39:01,540 --> 00:39:03,506 Basically, we're starting all over again. 959 00:39:03,575 --> 00:39:05,742 You don't know me. I don't know you. 960 00:39:05,811 --> 00:39:07,544 We're meeting on Tinder again, 961 00:39:07,612 --> 00:39:09,079 and we're going on our first date. 962 00:39:09,147 --> 00:39:11,748 So that's how I'm looking at us. 963 00:39:11,817 --> 00:39:13,216 - I'm looking forward to our-- 964 00:39:13,285 --> 00:39:15,485 I mean, what are we still doing on here? 965 00:39:15,554 --> 00:39:18,822 Like, text me. [laughs] 966 00:39:18,890 --> 00:39:21,725 - Um, I will text you when I'm ready. 967 00:39:21,793 --> 00:39:23,426 - Okay. 968 00:39:23,495 --> 00:39:25,562 - All right, look, I'm glad that we were able to do this. 969 00:39:25,630 --> 00:39:28,431 It's very clear what things could have gone differently. 970 00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:32,102 But the past is now the past. Here we are, fresh start. 971 00:39:32,170 --> 00:39:34,104 I'm excited for you guys just to meet. 972 00:39:34,172 --> 00:39:35,572 - I've been waiting. 973 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,207 - I've been waiting, actually. 974 00:39:37,275 --> 00:39:38,375 I've been the one waiting. 975 00:39:38,443 --> 00:39:39,909 - Yeah, you've been waiting. 976 00:39:39,978 --> 00:39:42,712 - Let's not, let's not-- - You're right, you're right. 977 00:39:42,781 --> 00:39:43,780 - Best of luck. 978 00:39:43,849 --> 00:39:45,582 We look forward to hearing from you soon 979 00:39:45,650 --> 00:39:47,016 and finding out how things pan out. 980 00:39:47,085 --> 00:39:48,985 - Thank you. - Bye, Roger. 981 00:39:49,054 --> 00:39:52,021 - You'll text me? You'll call me? 982 00:39:52,090 --> 00:39:53,690 - We'll see. - You'll call me? 983 00:39:53,759 --> 00:39:55,325 - Look at this, he doesn't wanna te-- 984 00:39:55,394 --> 00:39:57,861 Look at this. Wow. 985 00:39:57,929 --> 00:40:00,530 [laughs] 986 00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:04,634 - Wow, look, it's not exactly what you hoped it would be. 987 00:40:04,703 --> 00:40:06,169 But I'm excited for you. 988 00:40:06,238 --> 00:40:07,670 You seem like a person who's confident 989 00:40:07,739 --> 00:40:10,740 and can handle himself. So make him work for it. 990 00:40:10,809 --> 00:40:12,509 And I would just say be careful. 991 00:40:12,577 --> 00:40:14,144 I would press him a little bit more 992 00:40:14,212 --> 00:40:16,880 about his strange social media presence. 993 00:40:16,948 --> 00:40:19,582 - He's not behaving like a 40-something-year-old man 994 00:40:19,651 --> 00:40:21,518 should be behaving on social media. 995 00:40:21,586 --> 00:40:23,019 - Right. - Oh, yeah. 996 00:40:23,088 --> 00:40:25,622 Oh, that's one of the first topics we're discussing. 997 00:40:25,690 --> 00:40:28,992 - And if it doesn't feel right, move on. 998 00:40:29,060 --> 00:40:31,327 - Thank you, 'cause I don't know 999 00:40:31,396 --> 00:40:32,962 how much longer I would have had to wait. 1000 00:40:33,031 --> 00:40:35,165 And now, you know, I hit him up when I hit him up. 1001 00:40:35,233 --> 00:40:36,299 He just got to deal with that. 1002 00:40:36,368 --> 00:40:37,367 - Speak to you soon, man. 1003 00:40:37,436 --> 00:40:39,602 - Bye, Zark. - Bye 1004 00:40:39,671 --> 00:40:42,305 - ♪ 'cause I know you think about me ♪ 1005 00:40:42,374 --> 00:40:44,541 ♪ 'cause I know you think about me ♪ 1006 00:40:44,609 --> 00:40:47,277 ♪ 'cause I know you think about me ♪ 1007 00:40:47,345 --> 00:40:49,813 ♪ Still think about me ♪ 1008 00:40:53,118 --> 00:40:54,150 - We've got Brittany 1009 00:40:54,219 --> 00:40:55,251 and she's in a crazy situation. 1010 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:56,486 This [bleep] situation is [bleep]. 1011 00:40:56,555 --> 00:40:57,387 - I've been in love with him for years. 1012 00:40:57,456 --> 00:40:58,688 - He sends you money? 1013 00:40:58,757 --> 00:41:00,523 - No, he's had me go to his house 1014 00:41:00,592 --> 00:41:03,760 to pick up like a care package that had alcohol, we-- 1015 00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:06,563 - It's madness. - Ooh, he said, "Be careful." 1016 00:41:06,631 --> 00:41:09,699 What? - My heart is racing. 1017 00:41:09,768 --> 00:41:11,301 [Zoom chimes] - Hi.