1 00:00:02,837 --> 00:00:04,403 - Are you in love with him? 2 00:00:04,472 --> 00:00:06,271 - Absolutely, I wanna spend the rest of my life with him. 3 00:00:07,775 --> 00:00:10,109 - Hello, we saw you left a comment on Jaymes's page. 4 00:00:11,712 --> 00:00:12,778 - Yeah, yeah, cool. 5 00:00:12,847 --> 00:00:14,747 - Just friends? - You are just friends? 6 00:00:17,018 --> 00:00:20,686 - I'm hurt, I don't know what to do. 7 00:00:20,755 --> 00:00:22,888 - Wow, not the response I expected. 8 00:00:22,957 --> 00:00:24,423 [chime] Oh-- 9 00:00:29,363 --> 00:00:32,197 - Look who decided to join us. - Wait a second, 10 00:00:32,266 --> 00:00:34,266 I can't believe you're ahead of me today. 11 00:00:34,335 --> 00:00:35,701 How did that happen? 12 00:00:35,770 --> 00:00:38,303 - Today I woke up and chose timeliness. 13 00:00:38,372 --> 00:00:40,739 - Wow, you look great! 14 00:00:40,808 --> 00:00:43,142 Look at those braiiiids! 15 00:00:43,210 --> 00:00:44,343 - I just switched it up. 16 00:00:44,412 --> 00:00:46,445 - All right. Check the old email. 17 00:00:46,514 --> 00:00:48,914 Here we go, my friend doesn't see it. 18 00:00:48,983 --> 00:00:50,849 - Uh-oh. 19 00:00:52,153 --> 00:00:55,687 My name is Emilee, I'm 22 and I'm from Ohio. 20 00:00:55,756 --> 00:00:59,091 I need your help for my best friend Alexis. 21 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,026 I believe she's getting catfished. 22 00:01:01,095 --> 00:01:02,828 Alexis is dating a guy named Jaymes. 23 00:01:02,897 --> 00:01:05,664 They met on Tumblr five years ago. 24 00:01:05,733 --> 00:01:07,032 She's obsessed with him. 25 00:01:07,101 --> 00:01:09,635 But everything about their relationship is not normal. 26 00:01:09,703 --> 00:01:13,338 They've never talked on the phone or video chatted. 27 00:01:14,809 --> 00:01:16,708 It's been five years. That's crazy. 28 00:01:16,777 --> 00:01:17,676 - That's insane. 29 00:01:19,447 --> 00:01:22,181 - The worst part is that they were supposed to meet 30 00:01:22,249 --> 00:01:24,016 a couple of years ago and Alexis 31 00:01:24,085 --> 00:01:26,885 was super excited about it... 32 00:01:26,954 --> 00:01:28,787 but he just ghosted her. 33 00:01:28,856 --> 00:01:30,889 For six months. 34 00:01:30,958 --> 00:01:32,124 - That's a long time. 35 00:01:32,193 --> 00:01:33,992 - ♪ I'm the fool for you ♪ 36 00:01:34,061 --> 00:01:37,362 - And now Alexis wants to move to Canada-- 37 00:01:37,431 --> 00:01:39,698 - God! - To be with him. 38 00:01:39,767 --> 00:01:41,967 ♪ ♪ 39 00:01:42,036 --> 00:01:45,003 She's totally putting her life on hold for this guy 40 00:01:45,072 --> 00:01:46,638 and they've never even met. 41 00:01:46,707 --> 00:01:48,607 - ♪ Like the fool for you ♪ 42 00:01:48,676 --> 00:01:51,343 - I know this is a huge mistake for her. 43 00:01:51,412 --> 00:01:52,778 Jaymes is a catfish. 44 00:01:52,847 --> 00:01:55,047 I'm hoping you guys can help her see the light 45 00:01:55,116 --> 00:01:57,082 before it's too late. Emilee. 46 00:01:57,151 --> 00:01:59,318 - ♪ I'm a fool for you ♪ 47 00:02:00,321 --> 00:02:01,420 - Emilee's Right. - Yeah. 48 00:02:01,489 --> 00:02:03,122 - This episode is over. 49 00:02:03,190 --> 00:02:07,793 - Let's give Emilee a text. Here we go. Hey, Emilee. 50 00:02:14,335 --> 00:02:16,869 - Who doesn't talk to somebody on the phone for five years 51 00:02:16,937 --> 00:02:18,437 and it's the person that they say they are. 52 00:02:18,506 --> 00:02:19,705 There's no way. 53 00:02:19,773 --> 00:02:22,474 - There's really no excuse. - Oh my God. 54 00:02:22,543 --> 00:02:26,612 [doorbell sound] both: Oh, hey. 55 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:28,046 - Hey. - What's up, Emilee? 56 00:02:28,115 --> 00:02:29,882 - Not much, just chillin'. 57 00:02:29,950 --> 00:02:31,183 - Lots to talk about. 58 00:02:31,252 --> 00:02:33,051 - Where did you meet Alexis? 59 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,354 - We actually met in seventh grade. 60 00:02:35,422 --> 00:02:36,688 She was getting bullied a lot, 61 00:02:36,757 --> 00:02:38,657 which I wasn't okay with at all. 62 00:02:38,726 --> 00:02:41,860 - You had her back then, and you have her back now. 63 00:02:41,929 --> 00:02:43,228 - Always. 64 00:02:43,297 --> 00:02:44,763 - And do you and Alexis hang out often? 65 00:02:44,832 --> 00:02:46,198 - Yeah. 66 00:02:46,267 --> 00:02:49,801 - Do you guys ever hang out on like, Tuesday nights at 9:00? 67 00:02:49,870 --> 00:02:52,571 - And watch "Catfish"? - And watch "Catfish"? 68 00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:54,907 Has she ever even seen the show, "Catfish"? 69 00:02:54,975 --> 00:02:56,175 - Yes, she has. 70 00:02:56,243 --> 00:02:58,777 We're actually watching it the other day together. 71 00:02:58,846 --> 00:03:00,579 - So surely when watching the show 72 00:03:00,648 --> 00:03:02,581 you must look at her and say-- 73 00:03:02,650 --> 00:03:04,816 - Jaymes, you connection? 74 00:03:04,885 --> 00:03:05,784 Do you see? 75 00:03:05,853 --> 00:03:07,586 - What does she say when you suggest 76 00:03:07,655 --> 00:03:09,988 that this guy might not be who she thinks he is? 77 00:03:10,057 --> 00:03:12,024 - She just makes excuses for him. 78 00:03:12,092 --> 00:03:16,161 She'll say that he's very insecure, or he's busy. 79 00:03:16,230 --> 00:03:18,931 I'm like he's been busy for five years, though? 80 00:03:18,999 --> 00:03:20,432 I mean, if you care about someone, 81 00:03:20,501 --> 00:03:23,101 you make time and effort to talk to them. 82 00:03:23,170 --> 00:03:26,271 - Right, I assume Alexis is frustrated, right? 83 00:03:26,340 --> 00:03:28,707 - I honestly don't think so. 84 00:03:28,776 --> 00:03:31,610 Like I think she just believes these excuses. 85 00:03:31,679 --> 00:03:35,280 I think it's from like all the bullying and stuff. 86 00:03:35,349 --> 00:03:37,382 I think she was just lonely 87 00:03:37,451 --> 00:03:38,951 and just wanted someone to be there. 88 00:03:39,019 --> 00:03:40,285 - Yeah. 89 00:03:40,354 --> 00:03:43,622 - And now she wants to move to Canada and be with him. 90 00:03:43,691 --> 00:03:46,291 And I just--I don't think it's smart at all. 91 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:47,926 She's blinded by love. 92 00:03:47,995 --> 00:03:50,829 - How do you think Alexis will react 93 00:03:50,898 --> 00:03:52,731 when she finds out you're talking to us? 94 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,634 - I've threatened it before in the past, 95 00:03:55,703 --> 00:03:57,469 but I don't think she thought I was serious. 96 00:03:57,538 --> 00:03:58,971 So she might be like, 97 00:03:59,039 --> 00:04:01,873 just a tiny bit hurt that I don't believe her. 98 00:04:01,942 --> 00:04:05,944 But also, she might be excited to try to prove me wrong. 99 00:04:06,013 --> 00:04:09,648 - Mm-hmm. Well, I wanna talk to Alexis, obviously. 100 00:04:09,717 --> 00:04:11,416 - Yeah, what's her number? 101 00:04:11,485 --> 00:04:14,319 - 937...[bleep]. 102 00:04:15,489 --> 00:04:18,223 - It's ringing. - Hello. 103 00:04:18,292 --> 00:04:20,859 - Hello, Alexis. - Yes. 104 00:04:20,928 --> 00:04:23,695 - Aah, well, no easy way to say this. 105 00:04:23,764 --> 00:04:26,698 It is Nev from "Catfish." - Hi. 106 00:04:26,767 --> 00:04:30,168 - And I'm here with your OG, Emilee. 107 00:04:30,237 --> 00:04:31,837 - Oh, okay. 108 00:04:31,905 --> 00:04:34,506 - I understand you're in a relationship with a young man 109 00:04:34,575 --> 00:04:37,542 who you've never met, and we wanna help. 110 00:04:37,611 --> 00:04:39,077 - I don't even know what to say. 111 00:04:39,146 --> 00:04:40,846 I mean, I did not think 112 00:04:40,914 --> 00:04:43,515 she'd actually go through with all this. 113 00:04:43,584 --> 00:04:45,884 That's great. I mean, I'm down. 114 00:04:45,953 --> 00:04:48,920 - Great! I'll just text you our Zoom link, 115 00:04:48,989 --> 00:04:51,490 so you can join us on the call and you can fill us in. 116 00:04:51,558 --> 00:04:53,091 - Okay. All right. Thank you. 117 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,527 - Bye. - Bye. 118 00:04:57,131 --> 00:05:02,501 - She sounds so sweet. - She is. She's a sweetheart. 119 00:05:02,569 --> 00:05:04,403 [doorbell sounds] - Oh. 120 00:05:04,471 --> 00:05:06,672 - Heeey. - Hi. 121 00:05:06,740 --> 00:05:08,073 - Good to meet you. 122 00:05:08,142 --> 00:05:09,441 - It's good to meet you, too. 123 00:05:09,510 --> 00:05:10,909 - I'm glad that you're not upset-- 124 00:05:10,978 --> 00:05:11,977 - Oh yeah. 125 00:05:12,046 --> 00:05:14,046 - that she reached out on your behalf. 126 00:05:14,114 --> 00:05:14,980 - No, that's Emilee. 127 00:05:15,049 --> 00:05:16,615 She's always been like that for me. 128 00:05:16,684 --> 00:05:18,016 Just like really want to make sure 129 00:05:18,085 --> 00:05:20,018 that what's going on is what's going on. 130 00:05:20,087 --> 00:05:21,720 - Alright, well, listen, Emilee, we'll let you go. 131 00:05:21,789 --> 00:05:23,989 But thank you for connecting us. 132 00:05:24,058 --> 00:05:27,592 - Any well wishes, Emilee? - I hope he's real. 133 00:05:27,661 --> 00:05:29,828 I mean, I really do for your sake, 134 00:05:29,897 --> 00:05:32,864 but I just don't see it happening. 135 00:05:32,933 --> 00:05:35,534 - I mean, I'm pretty sure he's not a catfish. 136 00:05:35,602 --> 00:05:38,003 So, I'm not super worried. 137 00:05:38,072 --> 00:05:41,573 - That might be the problem. - [laughs] 138 00:05:41,642 --> 00:05:43,608 - All right, Emilee. Talk soon. 139 00:05:43,677 --> 00:05:45,544 - Bye. - Bye. 140 00:05:45,612 --> 00:05:47,579 - Now you're with us. Hahaha. 141 00:05:47,648 --> 00:05:50,582 - Yeah. - Just kidding. 142 00:05:50,651 --> 00:05:52,017 - So wait second, so just tell us about yourself 143 00:05:52,086 --> 00:05:54,152 first a little bit. So we kinda know who you are. 144 00:05:54,221 --> 00:05:57,055 - I just graduated with my bachelor's in psychology 145 00:05:57,124 --> 00:05:58,390 like last Saturday. 146 00:05:58,459 --> 00:06:00,292 - Whoa. - Congratulations! 147 00:06:00,361 --> 00:06:01,927 - Thank you. 148 00:06:01,995 --> 00:06:04,629 - What's your ambition with your psychology degree? 149 00:06:04,698 --> 00:06:05,997 - I wanna be a forensic psychologist. 150 00:06:06,066 --> 00:06:10,369 - So you intend to have a career identifying people 151 00:06:10,437 --> 00:06:16,208 who are likely to do things that are bad or questionable? 152 00:06:16,276 --> 00:06:17,476 - Questionable. Yeah. 153 00:06:17,544 --> 00:06:18,810 - Would you say you've applied 154 00:06:18,879 --> 00:06:21,947 that knowledge to your boyfriend? 155 00:06:22,015 --> 00:06:24,449 - There's some things that it's like, it's weird, 156 00:06:24,518 --> 00:06:25,951 but maybe I'm just like, 157 00:06:26,019 --> 00:06:27,786 so in love with him that I just don't see it. 158 00:06:27,855 --> 00:06:29,054 - Okay. So wait a second. 159 00:06:29,123 --> 00:06:30,722 Tell us a little bit about Jaymes. 160 00:06:30,791 --> 00:06:32,124 - He works in a bookstore. - Okay. 161 00:06:32,192 --> 00:06:34,659 - And I love that. - He's, he's your age? 162 00:06:34,728 --> 00:06:35,761 - Yeah, he's a year older than me. - 163 00:06:35,829 --> 00:06:38,663 - Where does he say he lives? 164 00:06:38,732 --> 00:06:41,333 - Tell us how you guys met, all the way back. 165 00:06:41,402 --> 00:06:44,736 What's the whole story, how we got to today? 166 00:06:44,805 --> 00:06:48,907 - All right. So I moved when I was in sixth grade, 167 00:06:48,976 --> 00:06:50,041 like halfway through the year, 168 00:06:50,110 --> 00:06:52,077 and people just didn't seem to like me. 169 00:06:52,146 --> 00:06:53,979 And there was always little things that they would find 170 00:06:54,047 --> 00:06:56,815 and like pick on me for. I eventually got to the point 171 00:06:56,884 --> 00:06:58,650 where I just couldn't go to school anymore. 172 00:06:58,719 --> 00:07:00,519 So we decided to homeschool. 173 00:07:00,587 --> 00:07:01,686 And when I did that, I was like, 174 00:07:01,755 --> 00:07:03,054 "Well, now I don't have any friends." 175 00:07:03,123 --> 00:07:04,389 The only person I would talk to you 176 00:07:04,458 --> 00:07:05,924 for a really long time was Emilee. 177 00:07:05,993 --> 00:07:07,592 Eventually, I got on Tumblr, 178 00:07:07,661 --> 00:07:09,995 and that's how I ended up meeting Jay. 179 00:07:10,063 --> 00:07:11,997 We had blogs we would write stories. 180 00:07:12,065 --> 00:07:13,665 So I would see some of his stuff, 181 00:07:13,734 --> 00:07:15,033 and he was seeing some of my stuff. 182 00:07:15,102 --> 00:07:17,736 And he would like it. He introduced himself. 183 00:07:17,805 --> 00:07:19,237 And then from there, 184 00:07:19,306 --> 00:07:23,275 we clicked instantly and just started talking. 185 00:07:23,343 --> 00:07:24,976 - So how quickly did things 186 00:07:25,045 --> 00:07:26,745 kind of go from friends to more than that? 187 00:07:26,814 --> 00:07:30,382 - For a while, we were only like friends on Tumblr, 188 00:07:30,451 --> 00:07:32,751 and then we gave each other our Facebooks. 189 00:07:32,820 --> 00:07:34,986 At that point, we just didn't stop. 190 00:07:35,055 --> 00:07:38,023 It was every day nonstop. 191 00:07:38,091 --> 00:07:40,025 - And is it always just via text? 192 00:07:40,093 --> 00:07:41,293 - Yes. 193 00:07:41,361 --> 00:07:43,361 - On your phones or through an app or something? 194 00:07:43,430 --> 00:07:44,496 - Just through Discord now. 195 00:07:44,565 --> 00:07:46,164 I mean, I have his phone number, 196 00:07:46,233 --> 00:07:47,566 but I don't wanna ask for anything, so. 197 00:07:47,634 --> 00:07:50,902 - So you've never had a personal voice call with him? 198 00:07:50,971 --> 00:07:53,772 - No. - What? Alexis. 199 00:07:53,841 --> 00:07:55,273 - I'm smart. I promise. 200 00:07:55,342 --> 00:07:58,710 - All right, listen. - Has he specifically said 201 00:07:58,779 --> 00:08:00,445 he doesn't wanna talk on the phone? 202 00:08:00,514 --> 00:08:02,447 - All right. He hasn't like explicitly said it, 203 00:08:02,516 --> 00:08:05,183 but I know he doesn't like the sound of his own voice. 204 00:08:05,252 --> 00:08:07,519 - But even if you don't like your own voice, it doesn't mean 205 00:08:07,588 --> 00:08:10,455 that you can't just get on the phone once or twice, 206 00:08:10,524 --> 00:08:12,257 even just to check in. 207 00:08:12,326 --> 00:08:14,025 - Well, it's a little weird, 208 00:08:14,094 --> 00:08:17,062 but it doesn't outweigh the rest of it. 209 00:08:17,130 --> 00:08:19,865 - Well, do you feel like you guys are on the same page 210 00:08:19,933 --> 00:08:21,833 about your relationship and where it's going? 211 00:08:21,902 --> 00:08:23,602 - I think so. 212 00:08:23,670 --> 00:08:26,905 But on New Year's, I was with Emilee, 213 00:08:26,974 --> 00:08:28,807 and I was tellin' her about how I loved him, 214 00:08:28,876 --> 00:08:30,208 how I really wanted him to know that. 215 00:08:30,277 --> 00:08:31,643 And she was like, "We'll just tell him." 216 00:08:31,712 --> 00:08:33,211 So I just started messaging him, 217 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,080 and then he messaged me back a couple days later, 218 00:08:35,148 --> 00:08:37,415 and I do love you too and--but like when he said it, 219 00:08:37,484 --> 00:08:41,052 I couldn't tell if it was like he was returning the feelings. 220 00:08:41,121 --> 00:08:43,889 Or if it was like, just you know, like, 221 00:08:43,957 --> 00:08:45,690 like when we say I love you all the time. 222 00:08:45,759 --> 00:08:47,058 - Yeah, that's not a good sign. 223 00:08:47,127 --> 00:08:49,060 - But I also like, New Year's isn't necessarily 224 00:08:49,129 --> 00:08:51,630 like a great time for him anyways with that, 225 00:08:51,698 --> 00:08:54,266 because of some, you know, problems. 226 00:08:54,334 --> 00:08:58,370 - And Emilee mentioned that you guys had planned on meeting up, 227 00:08:58,438 --> 00:09:02,340 but he just ghosted you and you didn't talk for six months? 228 00:09:02,409 --> 00:09:04,109 - Yeah, in 2018. 229 00:09:04,177 --> 00:09:07,178 We were talking about going to a gaming convention in Texas. 230 00:09:07,247 --> 00:09:09,848 I was saving up money to get my plane ticket to go down. 231 00:09:09,917 --> 00:09:12,951 And then Jay just stopped talking to me. 232 00:09:13,020 --> 00:09:15,320 We didn't talk for like six months. 233 00:09:15,389 --> 00:09:18,056 At that point, it hurt but it wasn't like, 234 00:09:18,125 --> 00:09:20,358 if that were to happen now, I'd be devastated. 235 00:09:20,427 --> 00:09:22,727 - And then how did you guys start talking again? 236 00:09:22,796 --> 00:09:24,896 - He just came back online one day 237 00:09:24,965 --> 00:09:26,665 and sent me some stupid meme 238 00:09:26,733 --> 00:09:28,800 that he said it reminded him of me. 239 00:09:28,869 --> 00:09:31,803 So we built up to talking every day again. 240 00:09:31,872 --> 00:09:33,838 - What's he like? What's his personality like? 241 00:09:33,907 --> 00:09:36,441 - He's really funny. He's sweet. 242 00:09:36,510 --> 00:09:38,009 He's really protective. 243 00:09:38,078 --> 00:09:40,111 Every time I say something that's like even just 244 00:09:40,180 --> 00:09:42,080 a slightly bit negative about myself, he's like, 245 00:09:42,149 --> 00:09:44,282 "No, you need to cut that [bleep] out." 246 00:09:44,351 --> 00:09:47,252 - Are you in love with him? - Absolutely, 100%. 247 00:09:47,321 --> 00:09:50,088 I mean, I want to spend the rest of my life with him. 248 00:09:50,157 --> 00:09:53,124 - Have you talked about a future, like living together? 249 00:09:53,193 --> 00:09:56,361 - We have talked a little bit about moving in together. 250 00:09:56,430 --> 00:09:57,963 A couple weeks ago, he was like, 251 00:09:58,031 --> 00:10:00,098 "You know, things are, are bad at home. 252 00:10:00,167 --> 00:10:02,601 You just wait until I get all my health issues sorted out 253 00:10:02,669 --> 00:10:03,735 and then I wanna move in with you 254 00:10:03,804 --> 00:10:05,036 and it's gonna be great." 255 00:10:05,105 --> 00:10:06,871 - What are his health issues? 256 00:10:06,940 --> 00:10:09,674 - Um, he's Trans. 257 00:10:09,743 --> 00:10:10,675 - Oh, okay. - Oh, wow. 258 00:10:10,744 --> 00:10:12,077 - So there's some stuff going on 259 00:10:12,145 --> 00:10:14,412 with uh, with that that he wants to get done 260 00:10:14,481 --> 00:10:15,814 before the move. 261 00:10:15,882 --> 00:10:17,482 - Got it. - Makes sense. 262 00:10:17,551 --> 00:10:21,953 But when you started talking, Jaymes identified as a man? 263 00:10:22,022 --> 00:10:25,590 - No. At that point, I think he was going by she, 264 00:10:25,659 --> 00:10:28,426 but like online with like me and a couple other friends 265 00:10:28,495 --> 00:10:29,794 he would go by they. 266 00:10:29,863 --> 00:10:31,463 And now more recently, it's been like he. 267 00:10:31,531 --> 00:10:34,366 - Okay. So you've been present for that transition? 268 00:10:34,434 --> 00:10:36,001 - Yeah. 269 00:10:36,069 --> 00:10:37,836 - But I can understand why getting to a certain point 270 00:10:37,904 --> 00:10:40,805 in his transition is important for him. 271 00:10:40,874 --> 00:10:42,040 - Right. - Right. 272 00:10:42,109 --> 00:10:43,742 - To feel kind of confident in his body. 273 00:10:43,810 --> 00:10:45,644 - But you also already know. 274 00:10:45,712 --> 00:10:48,013 So more reason-- - Right. 275 00:10:48,081 --> 00:10:49,614 - I would think for him to be like, 276 00:10:49,683 --> 00:10:51,850 "Okay, I, I can trust her 277 00:10:51,918 --> 00:10:53,852 with being a part of this journey with me." 278 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:55,954 - Right. I mean, I would hope. 279 00:10:56,023 --> 00:10:58,890 - And he goes by Jay or Jaymes? 280 00:10:58,959 --> 00:11:01,059 - I've been calling him Jay since I met him. 281 00:11:01,128 --> 00:11:02,961 But more recently, when he started like, 282 00:11:03,030 --> 00:11:04,963 getting like legal, legal name changes 283 00:11:05,032 --> 00:11:07,198 he put Jaymes as a full name. 284 00:11:07,267 --> 00:11:09,734 - So can we see some pictures of Jaymes? 285 00:11:09,803 --> 00:11:12,404 - Okay. This is him. 286 00:11:13,907 --> 00:11:16,775 - Oh, he's cute. - Wow, yeah, handsome. 287 00:11:16,843 --> 00:11:18,576 And can we see some of your messages? 288 00:11:18,645 --> 00:11:19,878 - Yeah. 289 00:11:19,946 --> 00:11:21,746 - He's Mister Moon? - Yeah. 290 00:11:21,815 --> 00:11:25,216 - God, you guys talk a lot. - Yeah. 291 00:11:25,285 --> 00:11:29,087 - Wait, did he send you that? That balloon in the flowers? 292 00:11:29,156 --> 00:11:31,856 - Yeah, he sent me flowers for my graduation. 293 00:11:31,925 --> 00:11:33,358 - Aww! Come on. 294 00:11:33,427 --> 00:11:34,659 - That's really nice. 295 00:11:34,728 --> 00:11:36,928 - Have you ever sent him anything? 296 00:11:36,997 --> 00:11:40,465 - Yeah, I sent him some classic rock vinyl. 297 00:11:40,534 --> 00:11:43,234 - It was a Canadian address? - Yeah. 298 00:11:43,303 --> 00:11:45,603 - So it's safe to say that he lives in Canada. 299 00:11:45,672 --> 00:11:47,272 - Someone lives there. 300 00:11:47,340 --> 00:11:49,174 - Right. Somebody. 301 00:11:49,242 --> 00:11:52,010 - Okay. So look, if everything is true, 302 00:11:52,079 --> 00:11:54,245 well then why haven't you guys video chatted? 303 00:11:54,314 --> 00:11:56,781 - If Jaymes is just who he says he is, 304 00:11:56,850 --> 00:11:58,983 why be so shady? What's the problem? 305 00:11:59,052 --> 00:12:00,685 - I mean, that's what I want to find out. 306 00:12:00,754 --> 00:12:02,253 That's what I need help with. 307 00:12:02,322 --> 00:12:04,289 - Let's do a little background search on Jaymes. 308 00:12:04,357 --> 00:12:06,825 Send us some pictures and, you know, whatever you have, 309 00:12:06,893 --> 00:12:08,393 and we'll see what we can find. 310 00:12:08,462 --> 00:12:11,563 - Time to move the ball along. - Yeah. 311 00:12:11,631 --> 00:12:12,597 - Right. 312 00:12:12,666 --> 00:12:13,998 - All right. Talk soon. 313 00:12:14,067 --> 00:12:16,801 - Bye, Alexis. - Bye. 314 00:12:16,870 --> 00:12:18,236 - Something is up. 315 00:12:18,305 --> 00:12:20,839 - He's checking a lot of catfish boxes. 316 00:12:20,907 --> 00:12:22,340 - And all she does is make excuses. 317 00:12:22,409 --> 00:12:24,509 I mean, they've never talked on the phone. 318 00:12:24,578 --> 00:12:28,446 - Right, it sounds like Alexis is only doubling down on, 319 00:12:28,515 --> 00:12:30,181 on Jaymes. 320 00:12:30,250 --> 00:12:31,983 She's very confident that this is going to work out, 321 00:12:32,052 --> 00:12:34,953 but it could all be [bleep]. 322 00:12:35,021 --> 00:12:37,522 - If Jaymes does not show up and say 323 00:12:37,591 --> 00:12:40,291 that he is in love with her, she's gonna be heartbroken. 324 00:12:43,730 --> 00:12:46,030 - Ooh! - I have an activity. 325 00:12:46,099 --> 00:12:49,400 - Oh, I hadn't even noticed the mikes--ASMR? 326 00:12:49,469 --> 00:12:51,302 - Yes! 327 00:12:51,371 --> 00:12:53,638 'Cause we've been doing it like all season a little bit. 328 00:12:53,707 --> 00:12:55,940 But now it's time to go pro. 329 00:12:56,009 --> 00:12:57,776 - Wow. - So we have a whole setup. 330 00:12:57,844 --> 00:13:00,211 - Let's tell a story. [softly] It was Friday night 331 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,248 and Jessica was just getting home from work. 332 00:13:03,316 --> 00:13:06,651 [clattering keys] 333 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,653 Thirsty from a hard day's work, 334 00:13:08,722 --> 00:13:11,589 she went to the fridge for a cool refreshment. 335 00:13:11,658 --> 00:13:14,592 [snap, fizz] - [whispers] She took a sip. 336 00:13:14,661 --> 00:13:16,594 [slurping] 337 00:13:16,663 --> 00:13:19,264 [both snickering] 338 00:13:19,332 --> 00:13:21,432 [whispering] Thank you, for joining us. 339 00:13:21,501 --> 00:13:23,635 [feedback] That [bleep] is loud. 340 00:13:23,703 --> 00:13:25,937 - Okay. Back to business. All right. 341 00:13:26,006 --> 00:13:30,475 So look, Alexis and Jaymes have been talking for five years. 342 00:13:30,544 --> 00:13:33,077 And talking a lot. I mean, they are like as close 343 00:13:33,146 --> 00:13:36,447 as I've ever seen two people on the show. 344 00:13:36,516 --> 00:13:37,849 - But not close enough. - Right. 345 00:13:37,918 --> 00:13:40,451 Alexis does seem so accommodating. 346 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:41,719 - Too accommodating. 347 00:13:41,788 --> 00:13:45,924 She has an issue with standing up for herself. 348 00:13:45,992 --> 00:13:50,728 - Right. So let's see if we can find anything about Jaymes. 349 00:13:50,797 --> 00:13:52,130 All right, let's first get an email. 350 00:13:52,199 --> 00:13:53,865 Here's what I know about Jaymes. 351 00:13:53,934 --> 00:13:55,400 So his name is Jaymes Moon. 352 00:13:55,468 --> 00:13:59,470 Here's his Facebook. His Instagram's Moonpunk. 353 00:13:59,539 --> 00:14:01,606 - Cute. - And address...Alberta, 354 00:14:01,675 --> 00:14:03,908 and then pics are attached. 355 00:14:03,977 --> 00:14:05,543 Let me know if you need anything else. Thank you. 356 00:14:05,612 --> 00:14:06,878 All right. Where do you wanna start? 357 00:14:06,947 --> 00:14:08,646 - Let's look at the Instagram first. 358 00:14:08,715 --> 00:14:10,748 - All right. So here's his Instagram. 359 00:14:10,817 --> 00:14:13,885 He calls himself Jay native punks. Okay. 360 00:14:13,954 --> 00:14:16,988 - He's giving angles. 361 00:14:17,057 --> 00:14:20,358 - March 5th, looks like, 2021. 362 00:14:20,427 --> 00:14:22,460 The page, you know, it looks pretty normal. 363 00:14:22,529 --> 00:14:25,430 What is a little surprising is how little engagement 364 00:14:25,498 --> 00:14:26,831 there is on here. 365 00:14:26,900 --> 00:14:28,733 Wait a second. Here's a post with some comments. 366 00:14:28,802 --> 00:14:31,536 Someone wrote back. Love you cowboy. 367 00:14:31,605 --> 00:14:33,805 both: Michelle. 368 00:14:33,874 --> 00:14:35,340 - Let's check her out. 369 00:14:35,408 --> 00:14:37,041 - She must know him if she's writing that. 370 00:14:37,110 --> 00:14:38,977 - Well, we should send her a message. 371 00:14:39,045 --> 00:14:40,778 - Hey, Michelle. This is Nev from "Catfish." 372 00:14:40,847 --> 00:14:42,180 Hoping you can help us with an episode 373 00:14:42,249 --> 00:14:45,216 we are filming right now. Thanks. 374 00:14:45,285 --> 00:14:47,252 - All right, so let's do an image search. 375 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,120 This looks pretty recent. 376 00:14:49,189 --> 00:14:52,190 This is obviously a picture in a mask, so no... 377 00:14:52,259 --> 00:14:53,524 Hang on. 378 00:14:53,593 --> 00:14:56,728 Here's one where he's sort of covering his face. 379 00:14:56,796 --> 00:14:58,463 And nothing. 380 00:14:58,531 --> 00:15:01,699 All right, this one's like the closest to a sort of clean, 381 00:15:01,768 --> 00:15:04,002 unfiltered photo. 382 00:15:05,572 --> 00:15:07,605 And doesn't look like there's anything in it. 383 00:15:07,674 --> 00:15:09,574 [chime] 384 00:15:09,643 --> 00:15:12,410 Oh, that was Michelle, she wrote back, question mark. 385 00:15:12,479 --> 00:15:14,345 Okay, like for real? 386 00:15:14,414 --> 00:15:15,380 - Yes. 387 00:15:15,448 --> 00:15:20,385 - Yes, for real. It's about Jaymes Moon. 388 00:15:20,453 --> 00:15:22,453 - Oh, question mark, question mark, question mark. 389 00:15:22,522 --> 00:15:24,656 Just call me, please. 390 00:15:24,724 --> 00:15:26,791 - I'm just gonna call her. 391 00:15:26,860 --> 00:15:29,227 [line ringing] 392 00:15:30,830 --> 00:15:32,530 - Hello, Michelle. It's Nev. 393 00:15:33,333 --> 00:15:35,300 - So have you seen the show "Catfish"? 394 00:15:39,105 --> 00:15:40,338 - No, no, no. Don't worry. 395 00:15:40,407 --> 00:15:42,407 Nothing weird or bad is happening. 396 00:15:44,044 --> 00:15:46,744 - We saw you had left a comment on a photo 397 00:15:46,813 --> 00:15:49,881 that Jaymes Moon posted. 398 00:15:51,718 --> 00:15:53,084 - Yeah, okay, cool. 399 00:15:53,153 --> 00:15:54,919 Have you ever met him in person? 400 00:16:07,067 --> 00:16:09,067 - Cool, and you guys are just friends? 401 00:16:10,837 --> 00:16:13,438 - Okay. Well, that's all helpful. 402 00:16:14,774 --> 00:16:16,441 - Has he ever mentioned to you 403 00:16:16,509 --> 00:16:19,077 anyone that he's dating or involved with? 404 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:21,980 - Well, okay. Cool. 405 00:16:22,048 --> 00:16:24,015 Appreciate the call and nice to meet you. 406 00:16:26,319 --> 00:16:28,586 - Yeah. 407 00:16:28,655 --> 00:16:31,255 [both laughing] 408 00:16:31,324 --> 00:16:32,557 - Okay. 409 00:16:32,625 --> 00:16:34,392 Well, she did say that Jaymes works at a bookstore. 410 00:16:34,461 --> 00:16:36,227 - He's also sending that random friend gifts 411 00:16:36,296 --> 00:16:37,662 the same way he's sending Alexis. 412 00:16:37,731 --> 00:16:39,697 - He sent her some books. 413 00:16:39,766 --> 00:16:42,834 - Maybe Alexis is taking his friendship 414 00:16:42,902 --> 00:16:45,670 as something more than what it just is. 415 00:16:45,739 --> 00:16:46,871 - Mm... - Just a friendship. 416 00:16:46,940 --> 00:16:48,306 - Oh, I see what you're saying, right. 417 00:16:48,375 --> 00:16:49,774 Yeah, that could be. 418 00:16:49,843 --> 00:16:51,075 So let's just do a couple things 419 00:16:51,144 --> 00:16:52,677 that we haven't done yet. All right. 420 00:16:52,746 --> 00:16:54,746 Let's, first of all, we haven't seen his Facebook, 421 00:16:54,814 --> 00:16:56,547 Jaymes Moon. 422 00:16:56,616 --> 00:17:00,018 Okay, here are some of the photos that we've seen before. 423 00:17:00,086 --> 00:17:02,620 - It does concern me that pretty much every picture 424 00:17:02,689 --> 00:17:06,324 that Alexis has are from Jaymes' social media. 425 00:17:06,393 --> 00:17:08,092 - Right, there's that other picture. 426 00:17:08,161 --> 00:17:10,661 Yeah, doesn't seem like he's ever sent her 427 00:17:10,730 --> 00:17:12,263 an original photograph. 428 00:17:12,332 --> 00:17:16,100 This is his most recent post. Oh, who's this? 429 00:17:16,169 --> 00:17:19,003 - Asma? - Asma. She commented a meme. 430 00:17:19,072 --> 00:17:21,105 - Take a deep breath. It's just a bad day. 431 00:17:21,174 --> 00:17:24,442 Not a bad life. Asma [bleep]. 432 00:17:24,511 --> 00:17:30,681 - Okay. Oh, who is that? 433 00:17:30,750 --> 00:17:32,050 - Jay Jay. 434 00:17:32,118 --> 00:17:33,751 - Wait, look, there's the Jaymes Moon. 435 00:17:33,820 --> 00:17:34,952 But then what's this profile? 436 00:17:35,021 --> 00:17:36,421 - Jay Jay. 437 00:17:36,489 --> 00:17:38,589 - Is that a different profile for the same person? 438 00:17:38,658 --> 00:17:40,124 I think it is. 439 00:17:40,193 --> 00:17:43,861 - That is Jaymes. - Yeah, from Edmonton. 440 00:17:43,930 --> 00:17:45,463 What is this? 441 00:17:45,532 --> 00:17:47,832 I wonder if Alexis knows about this other Jaymes account? 442 00:17:47,901 --> 00:17:51,636 Let's see if they are mutual friends. 443 00:17:51,704 --> 00:17:53,838 I don't see her, weird. 444 00:17:53,907 --> 00:17:55,907 All right, well, I'm gonna message Asma, 445 00:17:55,975 --> 00:17:57,875 she's friends with both profiles. 446 00:18:04,050 --> 00:18:05,783 Okay, that could be a good lead. 447 00:18:05,852 --> 00:18:11,722 Let's go back and just do a quick search of the address. 448 00:18:11,791 --> 00:18:13,091 Yes. Okay. 449 00:18:13,159 --> 00:18:14,992 - Cool, it's an apartment building. 450 00:18:15,061 --> 00:18:16,761 - It's an apartment building. 451 00:18:16,830 --> 00:18:18,229 [chime] - Ah. 452 00:18:18,298 --> 00:18:20,531 - Oh. - It's Asma. 453 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:24,135 - Asma says, "Okay, I'm at work, but we can chat quickly." 454 00:18:24,204 --> 00:18:25,837 - Oh. - Oh, she's calling. 455 00:18:25,905 --> 00:18:27,905 Hello. 456 00:18:27,974 --> 00:18:29,307 - How are you doing? 457 00:18:30,477 --> 00:18:31,709 - Good. 458 00:18:31,778 --> 00:18:34,378 Basically, you're familiar with the show, "Catfish"? 459 00:18:35,748 --> 00:18:39,350 - Cool. So we are working on episode right now 460 00:18:39,419 --> 00:18:42,820 that I think involves someone you know named Jaymes. 461 00:18:42,889 --> 00:18:44,388 Do you know who am talking about? 462 00:18:47,994 --> 00:18:49,327 - Oh, okay, cool. 463 00:18:49,395 --> 00:18:51,462 Does he ever talk about like a friend in Ohio? 464 00:18:56,636 --> 00:18:59,403 - Nate? 465 00:18:59,472 --> 00:19:00,638 - Who's Nate? 466 00:19:04,010 --> 00:19:08,246 - Oh, got it. So Jay has a boyfriend. 467 00:19:10,116 --> 00:19:11,649 - This is exactly why we're calling 468 00:19:11,718 --> 00:19:14,585 'cause we wanna make sure that we have the right person. 469 00:19:18,591 --> 00:19:21,259 - No, I understand. So that's very helpful. 470 00:19:21,327 --> 00:19:25,129 I appreciate it. Thank you. And nice to meet you. 471 00:19:26,633 --> 00:19:27,999 - Okay. Bye. 472 00:19:28,067 --> 00:19:30,635 Wow, that was weird. Weird for two reasons. 473 00:19:30,703 --> 00:19:34,605 One, because she seemed to be acting a little cagey. 474 00:19:34,674 --> 00:19:36,874 And two, he had a boyfriend. 475 00:19:36,943 --> 00:19:39,210 - Has. - Well, has maybe. 476 00:19:39,279 --> 00:19:40,611 - Nate. - Nate. 477 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,146 - We have to find him. 478 00:19:42,215 --> 00:19:45,149 - Let's see if Nate's on any of his pages. 479 00:19:45,218 --> 00:19:46,817 - No, his friends are blocked. 480 00:19:46,886 --> 00:19:48,452 - Ooh. 481 00:19:48,521 --> 00:19:50,655 - Could that be what he's been hiding this entire time? 482 00:19:50,723 --> 00:19:52,223 He has a whole man? 483 00:19:52,292 --> 00:19:55,026 - But I'm not sure I'm 100% ready to believe 484 00:19:55,094 --> 00:19:56,727 what Asma was telling us 485 00:19:56,796 --> 00:19:58,629 'cause he has his other profile that we found. 486 00:19:58,698 --> 00:20:01,933 And the only reason we found it was because Asma commented, 487 00:20:02,001 --> 00:20:03,634 we went to her page, 488 00:20:03,703 --> 00:20:07,104 and in her friend saw that she got both profiles. 489 00:20:07,173 --> 00:20:09,574 - Why is she like the common person 490 00:20:09,642 --> 00:20:14,245 between the two profiles? Could Asma be Jay? 491 00:20:14,314 --> 00:20:16,247 - Yeah, I mean, could it be that Asma 492 00:20:16,316 --> 00:20:18,683 is somehow behind the Jaymes profile, 493 00:20:18,751 --> 00:20:20,451 and might be talking to multiple people 494 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,320 and wasn't sure who we were calling about? 495 00:20:22,388 --> 00:20:24,055 And that's why she very hesitantly said, 496 00:20:24,123 --> 00:20:26,791 "Is this about Nate?" 497 00:20:26,859 --> 00:20:31,095 - Why would you catfish as this very normal guy? 498 00:20:31,164 --> 00:20:32,930 I don't know. I don't know what's happening. 499 00:20:32,999 --> 00:20:36,200 - The frustrating thing is that there's so many possibilities, 500 00:20:36,269 --> 00:20:38,336 and I cannot get a sense 501 00:20:38,404 --> 00:20:40,738 of where this story is going to take us. 502 00:20:40,807 --> 00:20:44,208 - Whatever the truth is, it's bad news for Alexis. 503 00:20:45,878 --> 00:20:48,713 - Okay. We have some information. 504 00:20:48,781 --> 00:20:52,583 There's obviously more to Jaymes' life than Alexis knows. 505 00:20:52,652 --> 00:20:53,784 So we spoke to Michelle. 506 00:20:53,853 --> 00:20:55,553 - He's been sending Michelle gifts, 507 00:20:55,622 --> 00:20:57,855 and Michelle's relationship with Jaymes 508 00:20:57,924 --> 00:21:00,424 is strictly platonic and there's no romance there. 509 00:21:00,493 --> 00:21:02,660 - Raises some eyebrows, especially since 510 00:21:02,729 --> 00:21:04,595 their relationship is totally platonic. 511 00:21:04,664 --> 00:21:06,063 Makes me think that oh, 512 00:21:06,132 --> 00:21:09,634 well, maybe he has a similar intention with Alexis. 513 00:21:09,702 --> 00:21:11,636 - Yeah. - And then another friend, 514 00:21:11,704 --> 00:21:14,372 this girl Asma confirms Jaymes is real says, 515 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,308 "Oh, is this about Nate, his boyfriend?" 516 00:21:17,377 --> 00:21:19,210 And do we trust Asma? 517 00:21:19,279 --> 00:21:21,779 - Either way, I don't know how to tell her that. 518 00:21:21,848 --> 00:21:23,414 She's gonna be heartbroken. 519 00:21:23,483 --> 00:21:27,852 - We have some information for Alexis, so let me text her. 520 00:21:29,789 --> 00:21:31,355 - I'm just really concerned. 521 00:21:31,424 --> 00:21:32,790 She's just gonna explain it away 522 00:21:32,859 --> 00:21:36,294 like she explains everything else that he has going on. 523 00:21:36,362 --> 00:21:38,362 And that's what bothers me. - Right. 524 00:21:38,431 --> 00:21:39,664 [chime] - Hey. 525 00:21:39,732 --> 00:21:40,998 - Hi. - All right. 526 00:21:41,067 --> 00:21:42,566 We have some stuff we wanna talk to you about, 527 00:21:42,635 --> 00:21:46,203 make sure we're all on the same page and kind of fill you in. 528 00:21:46,272 --> 00:21:49,040 Okay. So here is his Instagram. 529 00:21:49,108 --> 00:21:52,710 We saw one comment from this person, Michelle. 530 00:21:52,779 --> 00:21:54,245 Do you know her? - Nope. 531 00:21:54,314 --> 00:21:55,646 - We messaged Michelle. 532 00:21:55,715 --> 00:21:57,515 - We talked to her on the phone. 533 00:21:57,583 --> 00:21:59,050 - And we talked to her on the phone. 534 00:21:59,118 --> 00:22:01,819 - And she said that she's been friends with him for a while. 535 00:22:01,888 --> 00:22:04,355 And throughout the course of her and Jaymes's friendship 536 00:22:04,424 --> 00:22:06,857 that he sent her gifts. 537 00:22:06,926 --> 00:22:10,094 - Ah. - I just find it a little 538 00:22:10,163 --> 00:22:13,964 concerning the whole time he's been sending you gifts, 539 00:22:14,033 --> 00:22:16,033 he's been sending Michelle gifts. 540 00:22:16,102 --> 00:22:18,102 And Michelle is saying that their relationship 541 00:22:18,171 --> 00:22:19,437 is strictly platonic 542 00:22:19,505 --> 00:22:21,172 and he just sends her gifts as a friend. 543 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:25,076 Is he thinking that the same kind of relationship 544 00:22:25,144 --> 00:22:27,244 is what you and him have? 545 00:22:27,313 --> 00:22:29,280 - Right. This might be an indication that for him, 546 00:22:29,349 --> 00:22:31,816 it hasn't been more than a friendship. 547 00:22:31,884 --> 00:22:36,187 - Right. That's what I'm worried about. 548 00:22:36,255 --> 00:22:38,222 - Right. - Yeah, but again, 549 00:22:38,291 --> 00:22:40,624 you've certainly made your feelings clear 550 00:22:40,693 --> 00:22:44,228 if no other time than this past New Year's. 551 00:22:44,297 --> 00:22:48,399 So he can't claim he doesn't know your feelings for him. 552 00:22:48,468 --> 00:22:50,067 - Right. 553 00:22:50,136 --> 00:22:53,738 - So the next thing we did was we went to his Facebook. 554 00:22:53,806 --> 00:22:56,841 For the most part, didn't ring any crazy alarm bells, 555 00:22:56,909 --> 00:23:02,113 but in addition to this page, we found this other profile. 556 00:23:02,181 --> 00:23:06,350 - Yeah, that was the account he stopped using 557 00:23:06,419 --> 00:23:07,885 because he wanted to try 558 00:23:07,954 --> 00:23:11,555 and be more open with being Trans and being who he is. 559 00:23:11,624 --> 00:23:13,190 So he just made a new Facebook. 560 00:23:13,259 --> 00:23:14,692 - But okay. 561 00:23:14,761 --> 00:23:16,193 But you didn't know about it and it doesn't seem like 562 00:23:16,262 --> 00:23:18,095 there's any weird suspicious stuff going on? 563 00:23:18,164 --> 00:23:20,498 - No, it's--yeah. 564 00:23:20,566 --> 00:23:22,767 - Well, here's something interesting. 565 00:23:22,835 --> 00:23:24,201 Did you know that there's a girl 566 00:23:24,270 --> 00:23:26,170 who's friends with Jaymes on both of his accounts? 567 00:23:26,239 --> 00:23:27,705 - No. 568 00:23:27,774 --> 00:23:29,740 - Well, we wanted to just look a little bit more closely 569 00:23:29,809 --> 00:23:32,543 at who's commenting on Jaymes' page. 570 00:23:32,612 --> 00:23:34,912 One of very few comments that we had found 571 00:23:34,981 --> 00:23:38,749 was this one from Asma. Do you know this person? 572 00:23:38,818 --> 00:23:42,086 - Uh, he's mentioned them. That's one of his friends. 573 00:23:42,155 --> 00:23:43,687 - Well, given that, you know her, 574 00:23:43,756 --> 00:23:45,156 maybe we should trust what she said. 575 00:23:45,224 --> 00:23:46,424 - Oh. 576 00:23:46,492 --> 00:23:48,692 - 'Cause we ended up getting on a phone call with her. 577 00:23:48,761 --> 00:23:54,265 And she said, "Is this about Nate?" 578 00:23:54,333 --> 00:23:56,500 - I have no idea who that is. 579 00:23:56,569 --> 00:23:57,902 - We don't know obviously, either. 580 00:23:57,970 --> 00:23:59,703 And so I said, who's Nate? 581 00:23:59,772 --> 00:24:04,575 And she said, "Nate's his boyfriend." 582 00:24:04,644 --> 00:24:06,644 - Oh. 583 00:24:06,712 --> 00:24:08,012 - According to Asma, 584 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:12,983 Jay has been a relationship with this guy, Nate. 585 00:24:13,052 --> 00:24:17,087 - How are you interpreting everything? 586 00:24:17,156 --> 00:24:20,057 - I'm, I'm definitely more hurt than like pissed off. 587 00:24:24,197 --> 00:24:28,065 I'm kind of at a loss. If he's got a boyfriend, 588 00:24:28,134 --> 00:24:30,401 I'm sure he didn't wanna like hurt my feelings or whatever. 589 00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:32,470 I mean, I hope. 590 00:24:32,538 --> 00:24:36,140 - If I were you, I would be pissed off that my boyfriend 591 00:24:36,209 --> 00:24:39,243 has a boyfriend, and hasn't told me about it. 592 00:24:39,312 --> 00:24:44,215 - Right. - I mean, I think that you tend 593 00:24:44,283 --> 00:24:46,317 to make explanations for his behavior 594 00:24:46,385 --> 00:24:49,854 and things that he doesn't do or doesn't tell you. 595 00:24:49,922 --> 00:24:53,123 - Right. - I just wanna encourage you. 596 00:24:53,192 --> 00:24:55,960 Let's not make excuses for him. And let's not come up 597 00:24:56,028 --> 00:24:58,195 with reasons as to why he did what he did. 598 00:24:58,264 --> 00:25:01,432 We need him to show up here and explain that to you. 599 00:25:01,501 --> 00:25:03,167 - Right. - 'Cause you deserve that. 600 00:25:06,105 --> 00:25:10,608 - I think my main thing is that I don't wanna... 601 00:25:10,676 --> 00:25:12,476 make him look bad. 602 00:25:12,545 --> 00:25:14,245 It's like I could go off 603 00:25:14,313 --> 00:25:17,147 and say all these things about how bad he is 604 00:25:17,216 --> 00:25:22,119 and then be wrong and hurt his feelings, and ruin everything. 605 00:25:24,090 --> 00:25:27,925 So it's like I don't know what to do. 606 00:25:30,863 --> 00:25:32,663 - What about your feelings? 607 00:25:32,732 --> 00:25:36,133 - I mean, they're hurt. I'm, I'm hurt. 608 00:25:37,904 --> 00:25:41,772 - Yeah, I think you have been so consumed 609 00:25:41,841 --> 00:25:43,941 and tapped into his feelings 610 00:25:44,010 --> 00:25:47,244 that you've forgotten about yourself. 611 00:25:47,313 --> 00:25:50,247 It is time for you to stand up for yourself 612 00:25:50,316 --> 00:25:53,050 and let people know how they're going to treat you. 613 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,553 - Right. - Right, so at this point, 614 00:25:55,621 --> 00:25:58,188 the only other thing I think might be beneficial for us 615 00:25:58,257 --> 00:26:01,425 is if I reached out to Jaymes to start that process 616 00:26:01,494 --> 00:26:03,460 and see if we can get him to meet. 617 00:26:05,164 --> 00:26:07,565 We have been speaking with your friend, Alexis, 618 00:26:07,633 --> 00:26:08,999 and we'd love to help you guys 619 00:26:09,068 --> 00:26:10,467 finally meet for the first time. 620 00:26:10,536 --> 00:26:12,136 Hoping to find some time tomorrow that works for you. 621 00:26:12,204 --> 00:26:14,471 So let me know what's best. Thanks, Nev. 622 00:26:14,540 --> 00:26:16,173 Does that sound okay? 623 00:26:16,242 --> 00:26:19,076 - It sounds great. - Okay. Let's see what he says. 624 00:26:19,145 --> 00:26:20,945 Hopefully he'll see it and respond. 625 00:26:21,013 --> 00:26:22,713 So yeah, then we'll message you in the morning. 626 00:26:22,782 --> 00:26:24,114 Whether we hear something or not. 627 00:26:24,183 --> 00:26:26,016 We'll check in with you and go from there. 628 00:26:26,085 --> 00:26:28,385 - Let's just take it one step at a time, 629 00:26:28,454 --> 00:26:31,188 but we're gonna get there. - Yeah. 630 00:26:31,257 --> 00:26:32,823 - All right. We'll see you in the morning. 631 00:26:32,892 --> 00:26:34,959 - Good night. - Good night. 632 00:26:35,027 --> 00:26:38,796 - Makes me sad. She deserves better than this. 633 00:26:38,864 --> 00:26:40,064 - It's great to put other people 634 00:26:40,132 --> 00:26:42,232 and their feelings ahead of yours. 635 00:26:42,301 --> 00:26:43,467 - Sometimes. 636 00:26:43,536 --> 00:26:47,972 - But Alexis doesn't seem to ever put herself first, 637 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,707 and it's crushing her. 638 00:26:49,775 --> 00:26:53,043 I just really hope she can see that and speak up for herself. 639 00:26:53,112 --> 00:26:55,179 So I think we can get her to do that tomorrow. 640 00:26:55,247 --> 00:26:57,781 Whatever happens, it'll be a win. 641 00:26:59,585 --> 00:27:02,386 - Hey morning, check this out. I got a little update for you. 642 00:27:02,455 --> 00:27:04,021 - Oh God. 643 00:27:04,090 --> 00:27:06,123 - This morning I had a message from Jaymes. 644 00:27:06,192 --> 00:27:08,759 Sorry, I don't really think 645 00:27:08,828 --> 00:27:12,830 I'm actually ready to be completely honest with her yet. 646 00:27:12,898 --> 00:27:14,832 - Well, we knew that. 647 00:27:14,900 --> 00:27:17,001 - Right, then I wrote back. 648 00:27:17,069 --> 00:27:18,502 Hey, Jaymes, I understand how you're feeling, 649 00:27:18,571 --> 00:27:20,204 and I know this isn't easy but I promise being honest 650 00:27:20,272 --> 00:27:21,872 with her will be the best thing for both of you. 651 00:27:21,941 --> 00:27:25,109 I'm sure keeping the truth from Alexis hasn't been easy either. 652 00:27:25,177 --> 00:27:26,510 - And no response? 653 00:27:26,579 --> 00:27:28,545 - And he saw that, but he has not responded. 654 00:27:28,614 --> 00:27:31,081 - Okay. So what is he not being completely honest about? 655 00:27:31,150 --> 00:27:32,916 What do we think? 656 00:27:32,985 --> 00:27:34,752 - Oh, I feel like the smallest version 657 00:27:34,820 --> 00:27:36,053 of what's really happening here 658 00:27:36,122 --> 00:27:39,123 is that he is in another relationship. 659 00:27:39,191 --> 00:27:41,191 He cares about Alexis deeply. 660 00:27:41,260 --> 00:27:43,260 - Right. - But he isn't at a place 661 00:27:43,329 --> 00:27:46,030 where he's looking to be romantic with her. 662 00:27:46,098 --> 00:27:47,598 - I don't know how I'd feel 663 00:27:47,667 --> 00:27:49,733 if I found out that my boyfriend had a boyfriend. 664 00:27:49,802 --> 00:27:51,201 - But not being completely honest with her 665 00:27:51,270 --> 00:27:55,272 could also mean anything. He might be Asma. 666 00:27:55,341 --> 00:27:56,473 - Right. 667 00:27:56,542 --> 00:27:59,376 - I mean, it really leaves the door open. 668 00:27:59,445 --> 00:28:01,345 - Well, she has been so understanding of Jaymes 669 00:28:01,414 --> 00:28:03,347 literally their entire relationship. 670 00:28:03,416 --> 00:28:04,748 - Yeah. 671 00:28:04,817 --> 00:28:08,552 - So he has had zero reason to not tell her the full truth 672 00:28:08,621 --> 00:28:11,021 and the full scope of what he's been dealing with. 673 00:28:11,090 --> 00:28:12,423 - I know. 674 00:28:12,491 --> 00:28:15,159 - But let's hit up Alexis and see how she's doing. 675 00:28:15,227 --> 00:28:18,028 'Cause she was sad as [bleep] last night. 676 00:28:19,198 --> 00:28:22,299 - Come on back in the Zoom. 677 00:28:25,104 --> 00:28:26,570 - Heeey. - Hey. 678 00:28:26,639 --> 00:28:29,139 - Wow, I love the look. - You look so cute. 679 00:28:29,208 --> 00:28:32,076 - Cute shirt. - Thank you. 680 00:28:32,144 --> 00:28:33,577 - How are you feelin'? 681 00:28:33,646 --> 00:28:35,045 - A lot better than I was last night. 682 00:28:35,114 --> 00:28:36,680 - Yeah. - We have a little update. 683 00:28:36,749 --> 00:28:38,582 Yesterday we sent that message to Jaymes. 684 00:28:38,651 --> 00:28:41,318 - Yeah. - This morning he responded. 685 00:28:41,387 --> 00:28:45,155 He said, "I don't really think I'm actually ready 686 00:28:45,224 --> 00:28:47,758 to be completely honest with her yet." 687 00:28:47,827 --> 00:28:50,360 - That's scary. 'Cause I have no idea what that means. 688 00:28:50,429 --> 00:28:51,995 - Neither do we. - Well, we're not sure either. 689 00:28:52,064 --> 00:28:53,330 So I responded. And I just said, 690 00:28:53,399 --> 00:28:54,898 "Hey, I understand how you're feeling. 691 00:28:54,967 --> 00:28:57,201 And I know this isn't easy, but I promise being honest 692 00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:59,303 with her is the best thing for both of you." 693 00:28:59,371 --> 00:29:01,505 He saw that, but he has not responded. 694 00:29:01,574 --> 00:29:03,006 - Well, I don't know what to say to that. 695 00:29:03,075 --> 00:29:04,274 - Right, we were trying 696 00:29:04,343 --> 00:29:05,876 to figure out what that could mean. 697 00:29:05,945 --> 00:29:08,245 - If Jaymes is exactly who he says he is, 698 00:29:08,314 --> 00:29:11,014 and if he currently has a boyfriend, 699 00:29:11,083 --> 00:29:12,282 then that could be something 700 00:29:12,351 --> 00:29:15,853 that he's not completely ready to share. 701 00:29:15,921 --> 00:29:20,224 But if his feelings are not in line with yours, 702 00:29:20,292 --> 00:29:23,293 I think that he has a moral obligation 703 00:29:23,362 --> 00:29:25,095 to tell you that that has changed. 704 00:29:25,164 --> 00:29:26,663 - Right, like I-I-I, yeah, 705 00:29:26,732 --> 00:29:29,366 like I think I deserve to know. - All right, so look, 706 00:29:29,435 --> 00:29:31,435 I'm gonna send another message to Jaymes and just say: 707 00:29:43,849 --> 00:29:47,484 ...then I think you would regret... 708 00:29:51,857 --> 00:29:53,123 - I think Jaymes 709 00:29:53,192 --> 00:29:55,058 needs to understand exactly how you feel. 710 00:29:55,127 --> 00:29:57,060 Yesterday was really tough. 711 00:29:57,129 --> 00:29:58,595 - Right. - Oh, Jaymes is typing. 712 00:29:58,664 --> 00:30:02,266 Oh, my God. Give me a second. He's typing, he's typing. 713 00:30:02,334 --> 00:30:04,101 Oh, he said, "You're right..." 714 00:30:09,275 --> 00:30:11,809 Wow, not the response I expected. 715 00:30:15,948 --> 00:30:18,315 - I don't wanna be the bearer of bad news. 716 00:30:18,384 --> 00:30:20,717 But he said, "I don't wanna mess up our friendship." 717 00:30:20,786 --> 00:30:23,353 - I know. This might be an indication that for him, 718 00:30:23,422 --> 00:30:24,855 it hasn't been more than a friendship. 719 00:30:24,924 --> 00:30:26,590 - Right. 720 00:30:26,659 --> 00:30:29,359 - Yesterday, we talked about being honest with our feelings 721 00:30:29,428 --> 00:30:31,595 and letting people know how we feel. 722 00:30:31,664 --> 00:30:34,431 Are you still gonna tell Jaymes exactly how you've been feeling 723 00:30:34,500 --> 00:30:36,266 that you're in love with him and everything else 724 00:30:36,335 --> 00:30:39,036 if he says that he just wants a friendship? 725 00:30:39,104 --> 00:30:41,772 - I think he deserves to know, 726 00:30:41,841 --> 00:30:43,841 even if he does wanna stay friends. 727 00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:45,442 - All right, well, 728 00:30:45,511 --> 00:30:48,545 at the moment we're just standing by, you know? 729 00:30:48,614 --> 00:30:50,380 - Right. - He said he would do it. 730 00:30:50,449 --> 00:30:53,250 - Let's assume he follows through. 731 00:30:53,319 --> 00:30:56,520 [chime] - Oh, Jaymes. 732 00:30:58,090 --> 00:30:59,323 - We're just standing by. 733 00:30:59,391 --> 00:31:01,391 Sent him the link. I told him I was waiting. 734 00:31:01,460 --> 00:31:03,727 ♪ ♪ 735 00:31:03,796 --> 00:31:05,863 - Ooh, oh. 736 00:31:05,931 --> 00:31:07,431 [doorbell sound] 737 00:31:07,499 --> 00:31:08,532 - [laughs] 738 00:31:10,769 --> 00:31:11,835 - Hey. - Hi. 739 00:31:11,904 --> 00:31:14,137 - Hi. 740 00:31:14,206 --> 00:31:16,373 - What's up Jay or Jaymes? What do you prefer? 741 00:31:16,442 --> 00:31:17,641 - Jay. 742 00:31:17,710 --> 00:31:19,743 - Jay, okay, what's up? - My heart is racing. 743 00:31:19,812 --> 00:31:22,846 I can see Alexis's heart racing. 744 00:31:22,915 --> 00:31:24,147 - I don't even know what to say. 745 00:31:24,216 --> 00:31:25,816 - I mean, I have questions. 746 00:31:25,885 --> 00:31:28,952 Kamie has questions, but like, it's you, you look like you. 747 00:31:29,021 --> 00:31:30,554 Why do you think 748 00:31:30,623 --> 00:31:33,323 this is something you guys hadn't done up until right now? 749 00:31:33,392 --> 00:31:36,059 - Honestly, a lot of it's just like, 750 00:31:36,128 --> 00:31:38,795 body image issues with dysphoria, 751 00:31:38,864 --> 00:31:40,664 and just everything that comes 752 00:31:40,733 --> 00:31:43,734 with like being a transgender man. 753 00:31:43,802 --> 00:31:49,706 And I only came out like a year and a half ago to two years. 754 00:31:49,775 --> 00:31:54,745 So it was just very scary. 755 00:31:54,813 --> 00:31:58,482 Alexis was the first person like I came out to. 756 00:31:58,550 --> 00:31:59,950 She was very accepting right away, 757 00:32:00,019 --> 00:32:03,353 but my family was not as supportive. 758 00:32:03,422 --> 00:32:08,025 So I guess I was just scared that, like, Alexis 759 00:32:08,093 --> 00:32:11,695 just wouldn't like me anymore, I guess. 760 00:32:11,764 --> 00:32:14,031 - Right, but, but you post pictures of yourself and Alexis 761 00:32:14,099 --> 00:32:16,867 sees those and you send her photos 762 00:32:16,936 --> 00:32:19,770 and knowing already that she'd fully supports you 763 00:32:19,838 --> 00:32:21,705 as a Trans man. - Yeah. 764 00:32:21,774 --> 00:32:23,006 - It was confusing to us. 765 00:32:23,075 --> 00:32:24,841 - It's just all very daunting to me, you know, 766 00:32:24,910 --> 00:32:25,876 'cause like, when I first came out, 767 00:32:25,945 --> 00:32:28,245 like, I barely accepted myself. 768 00:32:28,314 --> 00:32:32,816 What was I gonna do if Alexis didn't accept me? 769 00:32:32,885 --> 00:32:35,185 So it was just hard. 770 00:32:35,254 --> 00:32:37,054 - Are you comfortable with sharing 771 00:32:37,122 --> 00:32:41,558 where you are right now in your transition? 772 00:32:41,627 --> 00:32:43,527 - Yeah, so I'm, I'm pretty transitioned. 773 00:32:43,595 --> 00:32:47,297 I have all of my consultations booked--the next few months 774 00:32:47,366 --> 00:32:49,566 is when things really start to pick up. 775 00:32:49,635 --> 00:32:50,867 - Congratulations. 776 00:32:50,936 --> 00:32:52,336 - Thank you. Thank you. 777 00:32:52,404 --> 00:32:53,870 - All right, so hold on a second. 778 00:32:53,939 --> 00:32:57,274 I just wanna kinda go over the basics. So you're 25. 779 00:32:57,343 --> 00:32:58,709 - Yeah. - And you live in Canada? 780 00:32:59,979 --> 00:33:01,812 - Is there anything about you or your background 781 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,314 that we either don't know, or that was wrong or, or-- 782 00:33:04,383 --> 00:33:07,084 - Um, I guess there's just like, 783 00:33:07,152 --> 00:33:11,254 one thing that Alexis doesn't know. 784 00:33:11,323 --> 00:33:15,292 And it's not something that I'm, like, proud of. 785 00:33:15,361 --> 00:33:17,861 So November of like, 2020, 786 00:33:17,930 --> 00:33:21,365 I had a relationship with a guy. 787 00:33:21,433 --> 00:33:25,102 His name was Nate. It lasted for like three, four months. 788 00:33:25,170 --> 00:33:26,403 - So not that long ago. 789 00:33:26,472 --> 00:33:28,839 - Yeah. - But it's over now. 790 00:33:28,907 --> 00:33:30,140 - Yeah. 791 00:33:30,209 --> 00:33:31,375 - Were you guys just talking online? 792 00:33:31,443 --> 00:33:33,043 Or were you dating in in person? 793 00:33:33,112 --> 00:33:37,114 - We were dating in person. - Here's my question. 794 00:33:37,182 --> 00:33:40,984 Alexis felt like you guys were more than friends. 795 00:33:41,053 --> 00:33:42,352 - Yeah. 796 00:33:42,421 --> 00:33:44,521 - And I think she made that clear to you. 797 00:33:44,590 --> 00:33:46,390 Why were you dating other people, 798 00:33:46,458 --> 00:33:49,059 unless you were not interested in, 799 00:33:49,128 --> 00:33:51,128 in anything more than a friendship? 800 00:33:51,196 --> 00:33:52,763 - Um... 801 00:33:52,831 --> 00:33:53,930 ♪ ♪ 802 00:33:53,999 --> 00:33:56,199 It's just that like... [sniffles] 803 00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:02,372 I'm really scared to lose Alexis. 804 00:34:02,441 --> 00:34:06,376 Lex's always been my best friend. 805 00:34:06,445 --> 00:34:07,911 - You call her your best friend. 806 00:34:07,980 --> 00:34:09,780 And that's great. 807 00:34:09,848 --> 00:34:11,381 And I'm happy that you feel that close to her. 808 00:34:11,450 --> 00:34:13,917 But if I were Alexis, and I heard you calling me 809 00:34:13,986 --> 00:34:15,118 your best friend, despite the fact 810 00:34:15,187 --> 00:34:17,654 that you definitely know I'm in love with you. 811 00:34:17,723 --> 00:34:22,159 You guys talked about living together, and you're single 812 00:34:22,227 --> 00:34:24,094 and it's not like you're not dating anyone. 813 00:34:24,163 --> 00:34:25,629 You just were dating someone. 814 00:34:25,697 --> 00:34:28,598 I would be frustrated and confused and hurt 815 00:34:28,667 --> 00:34:29,800 that you don't seem 816 00:34:29,868 --> 00:34:33,937 to wanna change the sort of friend zone status. 817 00:34:34,006 --> 00:34:36,273 - It's just like, it's a big deal. 818 00:34:36,341 --> 00:34:37,741 It's a big change. 819 00:34:37,810 --> 00:34:41,111 But if Alexis wants to, like, have like, a, 820 00:34:41,180 --> 00:34:44,881 an exclusive relationship, like, I'd 100% jump into that. 821 00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:48,618 - But you don't wanna be the one to initiate that? 822 00:34:48,687 --> 00:34:50,587 It doesn't--just I get this weird sort of like, 823 00:34:50,656 --> 00:34:52,589 yeah, I'm open to it. But it's not like, 824 00:34:52,658 --> 00:34:56,193 I'm in love with you, Alexis, I wanna be with you. 825 00:34:56,261 --> 00:34:57,527 I'll do whatever I can. 826 00:34:57,596 --> 00:34:59,429 - It's not like I have any hesitancy towards it. 827 00:34:59,498 --> 00:35:03,733 The word best friend encapsulates everything. 828 00:35:17,816 --> 00:35:20,917 - I don't know, it just feels like... 829 00:35:23,755 --> 00:35:26,223 Okay, Alexis, I'd love to sort of sidebar 830 00:35:26,291 --> 00:35:27,757 with you for a minute, 831 00:35:27,826 --> 00:35:30,093 just sort of check in and debrief a bit. 832 00:35:30,162 --> 00:35:32,129 - Okay. - Okay. 833 00:35:32,197 --> 00:35:34,164 [chime] 834 00:35:34,233 --> 00:35:35,398 - What are you thinking? 835 00:35:35,467 --> 00:35:38,702 How are you feeling about all that? 836 00:35:38,770 --> 00:35:40,804 - I feel good. I feel great. - Well, hold on a second here, 837 00:35:40,873 --> 00:35:45,175 Jaymes had a boyfriend while you were fully in love with him 838 00:35:45,244 --> 00:35:48,912 he got into a relationship, didn't tell you. 839 00:35:48,981 --> 00:35:50,847 That can't feel good. 840 00:35:50,916 --> 00:35:52,649 - It, I mean, it doesn't feel great, 841 00:35:52,718 --> 00:35:56,786 but I think he knew that I would have felt really bad. 842 00:35:56,855 --> 00:35:58,588 - I don't know. I don't wanna hear you 843 00:35:58,657 --> 00:36:02,592 justifying Jaymes doing things that isn't cool. 844 00:36:02,661 --> 00:36:03,560 - Right. - That's the sort of behavior 845 00:36:03,629 --> 00:36:05,562 that we are concerned about you 846 00:36:05,631 --> 00:36:07,731 having where you find ways of making the things 847 00:36:07,799 --> 00:36:11,101 that are happening to you that you don't like justified. 848 00:36:11,170 --> 00:36:13,136 - Right. - What we need to figure out 849 00:36:13,205 --> 00:36:15,605 right now is like, what do you want? 850 00:36:15,674 --> 00:36:17,140 - I want a relationship with her. 851 00:36:17,209 --> 00:36:22,245 I wanna be monogamous, but I don't want him to do it 852 00:36:22,314 --> 00:36:23,547 just because he knows I want that. 853 00:36:23,615 --> 00:36:24,915 - Right. - Right, he'll either make you 854 00:36:24,983 --> 00:36:27,050 a priority or he won't. And, and look, 855 00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:28,652 if he's not ready and he can't do that right now, 856 00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:31,688 then he has to deal with the reality of knowing 857 00:36:31,757 --> 00:36:33,557 that he may never get another chance. 858 00:36:33,625 --> 00:36:35,892 But like, you need to be a priority for yourself 859 00:36:35,961 --> 00:36:37,694 and find someone who feels the same way. 860 00:36:37,763 --> 00:36:40,330 You've been waiting for five years. 861 00:36:40,399 --> 00:36:43,800 He needs to make his move now. 862 00:36:45,704 --> 00:36:47,103 - You need to stand up for yourself and say, 863 00:36:47,172 --> 00:36:48,939 "Hey, look, Jay, this is what I want." 864 00:36:49,007 --> 00:36:51,474 Alexis, I have a feeling not a lot of people have told you 865 00:36:51,543 --> 00:36:56,880 that you're awesome and hot and sexy and funny and amazing. 866 00:36:56,949 --> 00:36:59,616 - And cool as [bleep]. - Super cool. 867 00:36:59,685 --> 00:37:02,919 And you should be the one to say, "Hey, right now 868 00:37:02,988 --> 00:37:05,922 you need to be all in. If you don't want this, 869 00:37:05,991 --> 00:37:07,924 I'ma go find someone else who does." 870 00:37:07,993 --> 00:37:10,927 Because there's a whole lot of people who will. 871 00:37:10,996 --> 00:37:13,463 - You literally gotta disappear just like that. 872 00:37:13,532 --> 00:37:15,198 - I know. Look, you're, you're only 23. 873 00:37:15,267 --> 00:37:17,901 And you haven't had a ton of experience but like your-- 874 00:37:17,970 --> 00:37:19,169 - I'm the whole package. - Desirable. 875 00:37:19,238 --> 00:37:21,571 Exactly. Say it again! 876 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,541 - I'm the whole package. - Very good! 877 00:37:24,610 --> 00:37:26,376 There we go. 878 00:37:26,445 --> 00:37:28,778 Now start [bleep] walking with that energy 879 00:37:28,847 --> 00:37:30,547 'cause that is who you are. 880 00:37:30,616 --> 00:37:32,282 You're cool as [bleep] and you deserve to be 881 00:37:32,351 --> 00:37:34,618 with somebody who's excited about being with you. 882 00:37:34,686 --> 00:37:35,919 That could be Jaymes, 883 00:37:35,988 --> 00:37:37,921 but it could also be somebody else. 884 00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:40,056 - Right. I agree. 885 00:37:40,125 --> 00:37:42,592 - No, but. - No, but, I just agree. 886 00:37:42,661 --> 00:37:44,227 - Okay. Good. 887 00:37:44,296 --> 00:37:46,263 - I do wanna ask him, you know, how he's feeling. 888 00:37:46,331 --> 00:37:49,032 And, you know, if he loves me. I do, I do wanna know. 889 00:37:49,101 --> 00:37:53,670 - All right, so let's bring Jay back in and let you guys talk. 890 00:37:55,474 --> 00:37:57,307 All right, welcome back. 891 00:37:57,376 --> 00:37:59,142 Kamie and I are kinda of, we're here to listen, 892 00:37:59,211 --> 00:38:02,512 but I think Alexis kinda wants to start things off. 893 00:38:02,581 --> 00:38:06,983 - I mean, just to get like, to the--to the quick of it. 894 00:38:07,052 --> 00:38:11,655 How do you feel about me? Like, no holds barred. 895 00:38:11,723 --> 00:38:14,357 [soft music] 896 00:38:14,426 --> 00:38:16,326 ♪ ♪ 897 00:38:16,395 --> 00:38:18,028 - I love you. 898 00:38:21,500 --> 00:38:24,934 And that's hard for me to say, 899 00:38:25,003 --> 00:38:28,305 you know, I've never said that before to anybody. 900 00:38:28,373 --> 00:38:32,142 - But are you in love with me? 901 00:38:32,210 --> 00:38:36,146 - Yeah, I absolutely wanna be with you. 902 00:38:36,214 --> 00:38:39,883 - Okay. So do you wanna be exclusive? 903 00:38:39,951 --> 00:38:43,320 - Yeah. I just--yeah, I love you. 904 00:38:43,388 --> 00:38:45,655 And I'm just sick of like, 905 00:38:45,724 --> 00:38:48,358 not being able to like see you every single day. 906 00:38:48,427 --> 00:38:51,294 - Can I change my relationship status on Facebook? 907 00:38:51,363 --> 00:38:54,030 - Yeah. Yeah. 908 00:38:54,099 --> 00:38:55,031 - Okay. That means it's official. 909 00:38:55,100 --> 00:38:56,800 - Yeah. - So wait a second. 910 00:38:56,868 --> 00:38:58,668 This is great. We're so happy. I'm just so curious 911 00:38:58,737 --> 00:39:03,873 why then Jay hadn't you started this conversation previously? 912 00:39:03,942 --> 00:39:06,109 - It was scary. It was so scary. 913 00:39:06,178 --> 00:39:08,078 Lexi's like my favorite person. 914 00:39:08,146 --> 00:39:10,280 Like, I don't want anything to change. 915 00:39:10,349 --> 00:39:11,648 But at the same time, like I know, 916 00:39:11,717 --> 00:39:13,683 things are gonna start changing, 917 00:39:13,752 --> 00:39:15,118 and it's for the better, 918 00:39:15,187 --> 00:39:16,953 but it's just a scary prospect to begin with. 919 00:39:17,022 --> 00:39:18,355 - Did you think that Alexis 920 00:39:18,423 --> 00:39:20,857 would not wanna be in a relationship with you? 921 00:39:20,926 --> 00:39:23,793 - I think like with my depression and anxiety 922 00:39:23,862 --> 00:39:26,062 like that's always like at the back of my mind. 923 00:39:26,131 --> 00:39:29,733 - I think that when you're going through anxiety 924 00:39:29,801 --> 00:39:32,001 and depression or any mental illness, 925 00:39:32,070 --> 00:39:34,337 it's the head and the heart are not connected. 926 00:39:34,406 --> 00:39:36,740 The head is telling you something completely different 927 00:39:36,808 --> 00:39:37,974 than what the heart is telling you. 928 00:39:38,043 --> 00:39:42,645 So listen to your heart. Listen to Alexis. 929 00:39:42,714 --> 00:39:44,614 She'll tell you exactly how she feels. 930 00:39:44,683 --> 00:39:47,183 - Yeah, I know. I know that. - Wait a second. 931 00:39:47,252 --> 00:39:49,285 So you guys, sounds to me like there-- 932 00:39:49,354 --> 00:39:51,020 - They're boyfriend and girlfriend? 933 00:39:51,089 --> 00:39:53,189 - There has been a relationship status change. 934 00:39:53,258 --> 00:39:55,291 - Oh, yeah. - Absolutely! 935 00:39:59,398 --> 00:40:01,564 [laughter] 936 00:40:01,633 --> 00:40:03,933 - I'm just so proud. I'm very happy. 937 00:40:04,002 --> 00:40:07,203 I think that both of you have been through so much. 938 00:40:07,272 --> 00:40:11,541 I think that having someone who has your back is-- 939 00:40:11,610 --> 00:40:12,809 - Monumental. - Yeah. 940 00:40:12,878 --> 00:40:14,978 - Yeah. - Yeah, I'm happy for you guys. 941 00:40:15,046 --> 00:40:16,513 I'm glad this happened. 942 00:40:16,581 --> 00:40:19,716 You guys clearly have an amazing connection. 943 00:40:19,785 --> 00:40:23,186 And I'm very excited for both of you to see where this goes. 944 00:40:23,255 --> 00:40:24,721 - Yeah, me too. 945 00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:28,625 - Yay! - All right, guys. Have fun. 946 00:40:28,693 --> 00:40:31,161 - Bye guys. - Bye. 947 00:40:32,798 --> 00:40:35,231 - Wow. We did it. We did it. We did it. Yay. 948 00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:43,673 - ♪ Baby, we could do that crazy ♪ 949 00:40:43,742 --> 00:40:47,410 ♪ Love is too just maybe ♪ 950 00:40:47,479 --> 00:40:50,480 ♪ Make it to the end ♪ 951 00:40:55,153 --> 00:40:56,219 - Deon has been talking to the Lanise for two years. 952 00:40:57,456 --> 00:41:00,890 - She helped me level up. You can't put a price on what she did for me. 953 00:41:00,959 --> 00:41:03,426 - Hey, are you doing an episode on me right now? 954 00:41:03,495 --> 00:41:06,229 - Oh, are there a whole ring of girls in Houston 955 00:41:06,298 --> 00:41:09,032 out to get Deon? You weren't in a relationship 956 00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:10,800 when you first started talking to her, were you? 957 00:41:10,869 --> 00:41:12,969 - It's a long story. - Deon!