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- Are you in love with him?
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- Absolutely, I wanna spend
the rest of my life with him.
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- Hello, we saw you left
a comment on Jaymes's page.
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- Yeah, yeah, cool.
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- Just friends?
- You are just friends?
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- I'm hurt,
I don't know what to do.
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- Wow, not the response
I expected.
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[chime]
Oh--
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- Look who decided to join us.
- Wait a second,
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I can't believe
you're ahead of me today.
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How did that happen?
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- Today I woke up
and chose timeliness.
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- Wow, you look great!
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Look at those braiiiids!
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- I just switched it up.
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- All right.
Check the old email.
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Here we go,
my friend doesn't see it.
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- Uh-oh.
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My name is Emilee, I'm 22
and I'm from Ohio.
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I need your help
for my best friend Alexis.
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I believe
she's getting catfished.
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Alexis is dating
a guy named Jaymes.
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They met on Tumblr
five years ago.
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She's obsessed with him.
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But everything about their
relationship is not normal.
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They've never talked
on the phone or video chatted.
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It's been five years.
That's crazy.
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- That's insane.
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- The worst part is that
they were supposed to meet
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a couple of years ago
and Alexis
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was super excited about it...
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but he just ghosted her.
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For six months.
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- That's a long time.
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- ♪ I'm the fool for you ♪
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- And now Alexis wants
to move to Canada--
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- God!
- To be with him.
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♪ ♪
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She's totally putting her life
on hold for this guy
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and they've never even met.
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- ♪ Like the fool for you ♪
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- I know this is
a huge mistake for her.
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Jaymes is a catfish.
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I'm hoping you guys
can help her see the light
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before it's too late. Emilee.
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- ♪ I'm a fool for you ♪
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- Emilee's Right.
- Yeah.
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- This episode is over.
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- Let's give Emilee a text.
Here we go. Hey, Emilee.
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- Who doesn't talk to somebody
on the phone for five years
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and it's the person
that they say they are.
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There's no way.
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- There's really no excuse.
- Oh my God.
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[doorbell sound]
both: Oh, hey.
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- Hey.
- What's up, Emilee?
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- Not much, just chillin'.
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- Lots to talk about.
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- Where did you meet Alexis?
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- We actually met
in seventh grade.
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She was getting bullied a lot,
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which
I wasn't okay with at all.
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- You had her back then,
and you have her back now.
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- Always.
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- And do you and Alexis
hang out often?
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- Yeah.
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- Do you guys ever hang out on
like, Tuesday nights at 9:00?
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- And watch "Catfish"?
- And watch "Catfish"?
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Has she ever even seen
the show, "Catfish"?
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- Yes, she has.
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We're actually watching it
the other day together.
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- So surely when watching
the show
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you must look at her and say--
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- Jaymes, you connection?
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Do you see?
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- What does she say
when you suggest
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that this guy might not be
who she thinks he is?
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- She just makes
excuses for him.
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She'll say that he's
very insecure, or he's busy.
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I'm like he's been busy
for five years, though?
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I mean, if you care
about someone,
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you make time and effort
to talk to them.
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- Right, I assume Alexis
is frustrated, right?
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- I honestly don't think so.
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Like I think she just believes
these excuses.
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I think it's from like
all the bullying and stuff.
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I think she was just lonely
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and just wanted someone
to be there.
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- Yeah.
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- And now she wants to move
to Canada and be with him.
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And I just--I don't think
it's smart at all.
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She's blinded by love.
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- How do you think Alexis
will react
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when she finds out
you're talking to us?
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- I've threatened it
before in the past,
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but I don't think
she thought I was serious.
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So she might be like,
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just a tiny bit hurt
that I don't believe her.
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But also, she might be excited
to try to prove me wrong.
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- Mm-hmm. Well, I wanna talk
to Alexis, obviously.
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- Yeah, what's her number?
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- 937...[bleep].
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- It's ringing.
- Hello.
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- Hello, Alexis.
- Yes.
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- Aah, well,
no easy way to say this.
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It is Nev from "Catfish."
- Hi.
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- And I'm here
with your OG, Emilee.
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- Oh, okay.
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- I understand you're in
a relationship with a young man
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who you've never met,
and we wanna help.
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- I don't even know
what to say.
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I mean, I did not think
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she'd actually go through
with all this.
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That's great.
I mean, I'm down.
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- Great! I'll just text you
our Zoom link,
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so you can join us on the call
and you can fill us in.
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- Okay. All right. Thank you.
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- Bye.
- Bye.
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- She sounds so sweet.
- She is. She's a sweetheart.
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[doorbell sounds]
- Oh.
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- Heeey.
- Hi.
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- Good to meet you.
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- It's good to meet you, too.
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- I'm glad that
you're not upset--
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- Oh yeah.
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- that she reached out
on your behalf.
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- No, that's Emilee.
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She's always been
like that for me.
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Just like really want
to make sure
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that what's going on
is what's going on.
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- Alright, well, listen,
Emilee, we'll let you go.
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But thank you
for connecting us.
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- Any well wishes, Emilee?
- I hope he's real.
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I mean, I really do
for your sake,
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but I just don't
see it happening.
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- I mean, I'm pretty sure
he's not a catfish.
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So, I'm not super worried.
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- That might be the problem.
- [laughs]
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- All right, Emilee. Talk soon.
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- Bye.
- Bye.
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- Now you're with us. Hahaha.
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- Yeah.
- Just kidding.
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- So wait second, so just
tell us about yourself
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first a little bit.
So we kinda know who you are.
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- I just graduated with
my bachelor's in psychology
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like last Saturday.
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- Whoa.
- Congratulations!
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- Thank you.
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- What's your ambition
with your psychology degree?
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- I wanna be
a forensic psychologist.
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- So you intend to have
a career identifying people
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who are likely to do things
that are bad or questionable?
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- Questionable. Yeah.
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- Would you say you've applied
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that knowledge
to your boyfriend?
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- There's some things
that it's like, it's weird,
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but maybe I'm just like,
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so in love with him
that I just don't see it.
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- Okay. So wait a second.
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Tell us a little bit
about Jaymes.
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- He works in a bookstore.
- Okay.
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- And I love that.
- He's, he's your age?
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- Yeah, he's a year
older than me. -
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- Where does he say he lives?
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- Tell us how you guys met,
all the way back.
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What's the whole story,
how we got to today?
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- All right. So I moved
when I was in sixth grade,
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like halfway through the year,
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and people just didn't
seem to like me.
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And there was always little
things that they would find
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and like pick on me for.
I eventually got to the point
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where I just couldn't
go to school anymore.
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So we decided to homeschool.
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And when I did that,
I was like,
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"Well, now
I don't have any friends."
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The only person
I would talk to you
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for a really
long time was Emilee.
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Eventually, I got on Tumblr,
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and that's
how I ended up meeting Jay.
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We had blogs
we would write stories.
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So I would see
some of his stuff,
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and he was seeing
some of my stuff.
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And he would like it.
He introduced himself.
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And then from there,
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we clicked instantly
and just started talking.
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- So how quickly did things
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kind of go
from friends to more than that?
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- For a while, we were only
like friends on Tumblr,
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and then we gave
each other our Facebooks.
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At that point,
we just didn't stop.
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It was every day nonstop.
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- And is it always
just via text?
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- Yes.
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- On your phones or through
an app or something?
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- Just through Discord now.
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I mean,
I have his phone number,
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but I don't
wanna ask for anything, so.
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- So you've never had
a personal voice call with him?
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- No.
- What? Alexis.
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- I'm smart. I promise.
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- All right, listen.
- Has he specifically said
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he doesn't
wanna talk on the phone?
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- All right. He hasn't like
explicitly said it,
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but I know he doesn't like
the sound of his own voice.
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- But even if you don't like
your own voice, it doesn't mean
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that you can't just get
on the phone once or twice,
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even just to check in.
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- Well, it's a little weird,
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but it doesn't outweigh
the rest of it.
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- Well, do you feel like
you guys are on the same page
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about your relationship
and where it's going?
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- I think so.
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But on New Year's,
I was with Emilee,
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and I was tellin' her
about how I loved him,
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how I really wanted him
to know that.
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And she was like,
"We'll just tell him."
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So I just started
messaging him,
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and then he messaged me back
a couple days later,
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and I do love you too
and--but like when he said it,
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I couldn't tell if it was like
he was returning the feelings.
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Or if it was like,
just you know, like,
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like when we say
I love you all the time.
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- Yeah, that's not a good
sign.
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- But I also like,
New Year's isn't necessarily
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like a great time
for him anyways with that,
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because of some,
you know, problems.
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- And Emilee mentioned that you
guys had planned on meeting up,
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but he just ghosted you and you
didn't talk for six months?
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- Yeah, in 2018.
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We were talking about going to
a gaming convention in Texas.
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I was saving up money to get
my plane ticket to go down.
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And then Jay just stopped
talking to me.
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We didn't talk
for like six months.
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At that point, it hurt
but it wasn't like,
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if that were to happen now,
I'd be devastated.
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- And then how did you guys
start talking again?
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- He just came back online
one day
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and sent me some stupid meme
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that he said
it reminded him of me.
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So we built up
to talking every day again.
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- What's he like?
What's his personality like?
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- He's really funny.
He's sweet.
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He's really protective.
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Every time I say something
that's like even just
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a slightly bit negative
about myself, he's like,
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"No, you need to cut
that [bleep] out."
246
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- Are you in love with him?
- Absolutely, 100%.
247
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I mean, I want to spend
the rest of my life with him.
248
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- Have you talked about
a future, like living together?
249
00:09:53,193 --> 00:09:56,361
- We have talked a little bit
about moving in together.
250
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A couple weeks ago,
he was like,
251
00:09:58,031 --> 00:10:00,098
"You know,
things are, are bad at home.
252
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You just wait until I get all
my health issues sorted out
253
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and then I wanna move in
with you
254
00:10:03,804 --> 00:10:05,036
and it's gonna be great."
255
00:10:05,105 --> 00:10:06,871
- What are his health issues?
256
00:10:06,940 --> 00:10:09,674
- Um, he's Trans.
257
00:10:09,743 --> 00:10:10,675
- Oh, okay.
- Oh, wow.
258
00:10:10,744 --> 00:10:12,077
- So there's some stuff
going on
259
00:10:12,145 --> 00:10:14,412
with uh, with that that
he wants to get done
260
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before the move.
261
00:10:15,882 --> 00:10:17,482
- Got it.
- Makes sense.
262
00:10:17,551 --> 00:10:21,953
But when you started talking,
Jaymes identified as a man?
263
00:10:22,022 --> 00:10:25,590
- No. At that point,
I think he was going by she,
264
00:10:25,659 --> 00:10:28,426
but like online with like me
and a couple other friends
265
00:10:28,495 --> 00:10:29,794
he would go by they.
266
00:10:29,863 --> 00:10:31,463
And now more recently,
it's been like he.
267
00:10:31,531 --> 00:10:34,366
- Okay. So you've been present
for that transition?
268
00:10:34,434 --> 00:10:36,001
- Yeah.
269
00:10:36,069 --> 00:10:37,836
- But I can understand
why getting to a certain point
270
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in his transition
is important for him.
271
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- Right.
- Right.
272
00:10:42,109 --> 00:10:43,742
- To feel kind of confident
in his body.
273
00:10:43,810 --> 00:10:45,644
- But you also already know.
274
00:10:45,712 --> 00:10:48,013
So more reason--
- Right.
275
00:10:48,081 --> 00:10:49,614
- I would think for him
to be like,
276
00:10:49,683 --> 00:10:51,850
"Okay, I, I can trust her
277
00:10:51,918 --> 00:10:53,852
with being a part
of this journey with me."
278
00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:55,954
- Right. I mean, I would hope.
279
00:10:56,023 --> 00:10:58,890
- And he goes by Jay or Jaymes?
280
00:10:58,959 --> 00:11:01,059
- I've been calling him
Jay since I met him.
281
00:11:01,128 --> 00:11:02,961
But more recently,
when he started like,
282
00:11:03,030 --> 00:11:04,963
getting like legal,
legal name changes
283
00:11:05,032 --> 00:11:07,198
he put Jaymes as a full name.
284
00:11:07,267 --> 00:11:09,734
- So can we see
some pictures of Jaymes?
285
00:11:09,803 --> 00:11:12,404
- Okay. This is him.
286
00:11:13,907 --> 00:11:16,775
- Oh, he's cute.
- Wow, yeah, handsome.
287
00:11:16,843 --> 00:11:18,576
And can we see
some of your messages?
288
00:11:18,645 --> 00:11:19,878
- Yeah.
289
00:11:19,946 --> 00:11:21,746
- He's Mister Moon?
- Yeah.
290
00:11:21,815 --> 00:11:25,216
- God, you guys talk a lot.
- Yeah.
291
00:11:25,285 --> 00:11:29,087
- Wait, did he send you that?
That balloon in the flowers?
292
00:11:29,156 --> 00:11:31,856
- Yeah, he sent me flowers
for my graduation.
293
00:11:31,925 --> 00:11:33,358
- Aww! Come on.
294
00:11:33,427 --> 00:11:34,659
- That's really nice.
295
00:11:34,728 --> 00:11:36,928
- Have you ever
sent him anything?
296
00:11:36,997 --> 00:11:40,465
- Yeah, I sent him
some classic rock vinyl.
297
00:11:40,534 --> 00:11:43,234
- It was a Canadian address?
- Yeah.
298
00:11:43,303 --> 00:11:45,603
- So it's safe to say
that he lives in Canada.
299
00:11:45,672 --> 00:11:47,272
- Someone lives there.
300
00:11:47,340 --> 00:11:49,174
- Right. Somebody.
301
00:11:49,242 --> 00:11:52,010
- Okay. So look,
if everything is true,
302
00:11:52,079 --> 00:11:54,245
well then why haven't you guys
video chatted?
303
00:11:54,314 --> 00:11:56,781
- If Jaymes is just
who he says he is,
304
00:11:56,850 --> 00:11:58,983
why be so shady?
What's the problem?
305
00:11:59,052 --> 00:12:00,685
- I mean, that's what
I want to find out.
306
00:12:00,754 --> 00:12:02,253
That's what I need help with.
307
00:12:02,322 --> 00:12:04,289
- Let's do a little
background search on Jaymes.
308
00:12:04,357 --> 00:12:06,825
Send us some pictures and,
you know, whatever you have,
309
00:12:06,893 --> 00:12:08,393
and we'll see what we can find.
310
00:12:08,462 --> 00:12:11,563
- Time to move the ball along.
- Yeah.
311
00:12:11,631 --> 00:12:12,597
- Right.
312
00:12:12,666 --> 00:12:13,998
- All right. Talk soon.
313
00:12:14,067 --> 00:12:16,801
- Bye, Alexis.
- Bye.
314
00:12:16,870 --> 00:12:18,236
- Something is up.
315
00:12:18,305 --> 00:12:20,839
- He's checking a lot
of catfish boxes.
316
00:12:20,907 --> 00:12:22,340
- And all she does
is make excuses.
317
00:12:22,409 --> 00:12:24,509
I mean, they've never
talked on the phone.
318
00:12:24,578 --> 00:12:28,446
- Right, it sounds like Alexis
is only doubling down on,
319
00:12:28,515 --> 00:12:30,181
on Jaymes.
320
00:12:30,250 --> 00:12:31,983
She's very confident
that this is going to work out,
321
00:12:32,052 --> 00:12:34,953
but it could all be [bleep].
322
00:12:35,021 --> 00:12:37,522
- If Jaymes does not show up
and say
323
00:12:37,591 --> 00:12:40,291
that he is in love with her,
she's gonna be heartbroken.
324
00:12:43,730 --> 00:12:46,030
- Ooh!
- I have an activity.
325
00:12:46,099 --> 00:12:49,400
- Oh, I hadn't even noticed
the mikes--ASMR?
326
00:12:49,469 --> 00:12:51,302
- Yes!
327
00:12:51,371 --> 00:12:53,638
'Cause we've been doing it
like all season a little bit.
328
00:12:53,707 --> 00:12:55,940
But now it's time to go pro.
329
00:12:56,009 --> 00:12:57,776
- Wow.
- So we have a whole setup.
330
00:12:57,844 --> 00:13:00,211
- Let's tell a story.
[softly] It was Friday night
331
00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,248
and Jessica was just
getting home from work.
332
00:13:03,316 --> 00:13:06,651
[clattering keys]
333
00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,653
Thirsty from a hard day's work,
334
00:13:08,722 --> 00:13:11,589
she went to the fridge
for a cool refreshment.
335
00:13:11,658 --> 00:13:14,592
[snap, fizz]
- [whispers] She took a sip.
336
00:13:14,661 --> 00:13:16,594
[slurping]
337
00:13:16,663 --> 00:13:19,264
[both snickering]
338
00:13:19,332 --> 00:13:21,432
[whispering]
Thank you, for joining us.
339
00:13:21,501 --> 00:13:23,635
[feedback]
That [bleep] is loud.
340
00:13:23,703 --> 00:13:25,937
- Okay. Back to business.
All right.
341
00:13:26,006 --> 00:13:30,475
So look, Alexis and Jaymes have
been talking for five years.
342
00:13:30,544 --> 00:13:33,077
And talking a lot.
I mean, they are like as close
343
00:13:33,146 --> 00:13:36,447
as I've ever seen
two people on the show.
344
00:13:36,516 --> 00:13:37,849
- But not close enough.
- Right.
345
00:13:37,918 --> 00:13:40,451
Alexis does seem
so accommodating.
346
00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:41,719
- Too accommodating.
347
00:13:41,788 --> 00:13:45,924
She has an issue
with standing up for herself.
348
00:13:45,992 --> 00:13:50,728
- Right. So let's see if we can
find anything about Jaymes.
349
00:13:50,797 --> 00:13:52,130
All right,
let's first get an email.
350
00:13:52,199 --> 00:13:53,865
Here's what I know
about Jaymes.
351
00:13:53,934 --> 00:13:55,400
So his name is Jaymes Moon.
352
00:13:55,468 --> 00:13:59,470
Here's his Facebook.
His Instagram's Moonpunk.
353
00:13:59,539 --> 00:14:01,606
- Cute.
- And address...Alberta,
354
00:14:01,675 --> 00:14:03,908
and then pics are attached.
355
00:14:03,977 --> 00:14:05,543
Let me know if you need
anything else. Thank you.
356
00:14:05,612 --> 00:14:06,878
All right.
Where do you wanna start?
357
00:14:06,947 --> 00:14:08,646
- Let's look at
the Instagram first.
358
00:14:08,715 --> 00:14:10,748
- All right.
So here's his Instagram.
359
00:14:10,817 --> 00:14:13,885
He calls himself
Jay native punks. Okay.
360
00:14:13,954 --> 00:14:16,988
- He's giving angles.
361
00:14:17,057 --> 00:14:20,358
- March 5th, looks like, 2021.
362
00:14:20,427 --> 00:14:22,460
The page, you know,
it looks pretty normal.
363
00:14:22,529 --> 00:14:25,430
What is a little surprising
is how little engagement
364
00:14:25,498 --> 00:14:26,831
there is on here.
365
00:14:26,900 --> 00:14:28,733
Wait a second. Here's a post
with some comments.
366
00:14:28,802 --> 00:14:31,536
Someone wrote back.
Love you cowboy.
367
00:14:31,605 --> 00:14:33,805
both: Michelle.
368
00:14:33,874 --> 00:14:35,340
- Let's check her out.
369
00:14:35,408 --> 00:14:37,041
- She must know him
if she's writing that.
370
00:14:37,110 --> 00:14:38,977
- Well, we should
send her a message.
371
00:14:39,045 --> 00:14:40,778
- Hey, Michelle.
This is Nev from "Catfish."
372
00:14:40,847 --> 00:14:42,180
Hoping you can help us
with an episode
373
00:14:42,249 --> 00:14:45,216
we are filming right now.
Thanks.
374
00:14:45,285 --> 00:14:47,252
- All right, so let's do
an image search.
375
00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,120
This looks pretty recent.
376
00:14:49,189 --> 00:14:52,190
This is obviously a picture
in a mask, so no...
377
00:14:52,259 --> 00:14:53,524
Hang on.
378
00:14:53,593 --> 00:14:56,728
Here's one where he's sort of
covering his face.
379
00:14:56,796 --> 00:14:58,463
And nothing.
380
00:14:58,531 --> 00:15:01,699
All right, this one's like
the closest to a sort of clean,
381
00:15:01,768 --> 00:15:04,002
unfiltered photo.
382
00:15:05,572 --> 00:15:07,605
And doesn't look like
there's anything in it.
383
00:15:07,674 --> 00:15:09,574
[chime]
384
00:15:09,643 --> 00:15:12,410
Oh, that was Michelle,
she wrote back, question mark.
385
00:15:12,479 --> 00:15:14,345
Okay, like for real?
386
00:15:14,414 --> 00:15:15,380
- Yes.
387
00:15:15,448 --> 00:15:20,385
- Yes, for real.
It's about Jaymes Moon.
388
00:15:20,453 --> 00:15:22,453
- Oh, question mark,
question mark, question mark.
389
00:15:22,522 --> 00:15:24,656
Just call me, please.
390
00:15:24,724 --> 00:15:26,791
- I'm just gonna call her.
391
00:15:26,860 --> 00:15:29,227
[line ringing]
392
00:15:30,830 --> 00:15:32,530
- Hello, Michelle. It's Nev.
393
00:15:33,333 --> 00:15:35,300
- So have you seen
the show "Catfish"?
394
00:15:39,105 --> 00:15:40,338
- No, no, no. Don't worry.
395
00:15:40,407 --> 00:15:42,407
Nothing weird
or bad is happening.
396
00:15:44,044 --> 00:15:46,744
- We saw you had left a comment
on a photo
397
00:15:46,813 --> 00:15:49,881
that Jaymes Moon posted.
398
00:15:51,718 --> 00:15:53,084
- Yeah, okay, cool.
399
00:15:53,153 --> 00:15:54,919
Have you ever met him
in person?
400
00:16:07,067 --> 00:16:09,067
- Cool, and you guys
are just friends?
401
00:16:10,837 --> 00:16:13,438
- Okay.
Well, that's all helpful.
402
00:16:14,774 --> 00:16:16,441
- Has he ever mentioned to you
403
00:16:16,509 --> 00:16:19,077
anyone that
he's dating or involved with?
404
00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:21,980
- Well, okay. Cool.
405
00:16:22,048 --> 00:16:24,015
Appreciate the call
and nice to meet you.
406
00:16:26,319 --> 00:16:28,586
- Yeah.
407
00:16:28,655 --> 00:16:31,255
[both laughing]
408
00:16:31,324 --> 00:16:32,557
- Okay.
409
00:16:32,625 --> 00:16:34,392
Well, she did say that Jaymes
works at a bookstore.
410
00:16:34,461 --> 00:16:36,227
- He's also sending that random
friend gifts
411
00:16:36,296 --> 00:16:37,662
the same way
he's sending Alexis.
412
00:16:37,731 --> 00:16:39,697
- He sent her some books.
413
00:16:39,766 --> 00:16:42,834
- Maybe Alexis is taking
his friendship
414
00:16:42,902 --> 00:16:45,670
as something more than
what it just is.
415
00:16:45,739 --> 00:16:46,871
- Mm...
- Just a friendship.
416
00:16:46,940 --> 00:16:48,306
- Oh, I see what
you're saying, right.
417
00:16:48,375 --> 00:16:49,774
Yeah, that could be.
418
00:16:49,843 --> 00:16:51,075
So let's just do
a couple things
419
00:16:51,144 --> 00:16:52,677
that we haven't done yet.
All right.
420
00:16:52,746 --> 00:16:54,746
Let's, first of all,
we haven't seen his Facebook,
421
00:16:54,814 --> 00:16:56,547
Jaymes Moon.
422
00:16:56,616 --> 00:17:00,018
Okay, here are some of the
photos that we've seen before.
423
00:17:00,086 --> 00:17:02,620
- It does concern me that
pretty much every picture
424
00:17:02,689 --> 00:17:06,324
that Alexis has are
from Jaymes' social media.
425
00:17:06,393 --> 00:17:08,092
- Right,
there's that other picture.
426
00:17:08,161 --> 00:17:10,661
Yeah, doesn't seem like
he's ever sent her
427
00:17:10,730 --> 00:17:12,263
an original photograph.
428
00:17:12,332 --> 00:17:16,100
This is his most recent post.
Oh, who's this?
429
00:17:16,169 --> 00:17:19,003
- Asma?
- Asma. She commented a meme.
430
00:17:19,072 --> 00:17:21,105
- Take a deep breath.
It's just a bad day.
431
00:17:21,174 --> 00:17:24,442
Not a bad life. Asma [bleep].
432
00:17:24,511 --> 00:17:30,681
- Okay. Oh, who is that?
433
00:17:30,750 --> 00:17:32,050
- Jay Jay.
434
00:17:32,118 --> 00:17:33,751
- Wait, look, there's
the Jaymes Moon.
435
00:17:33,820 --> 00:17:34,952
But then what's this profile?
436
00:17:35,021 --> 00:17:36,421
- Jay Jay.
437
00:17:36,489 --> 00:17:38,589
- Is that a different profile
for the same person?
438
00:17:38,658 --> 00:17:40,124
I think it is.
439
00:17:40,193 --> 00:17:43,861
- That is Jaymes.
- Yeah, from Edmonton.
440
00:17:43,930 --> 00:17:45,463
What is this?
441
00:17:45,532 --> 00:17:47,832
I wonder if Alexis knows about
this other Jaymes account?
442
00:17:47,901 --> 00:17:51,636
Let's see if they are
mutual friends.
443
00:17:51,704 --> 00:17:53,838
I don't see her, weird.
444
00:17:53,907 --> 00:17:55,907
All right, well,
I'm gonna message Asma,
445
00:17:55,975 --> 00:17:57,875
she's friends
with both profiles.
446
00:18:04,050 --> 00:18:05,783
Okay, that could be
a good lead.
447
00:18:05,852 --> 00:18:11,722
Let's go back and just do
a quick search of the address.
448
00:18:11,791 --> 00:18:13,091
Yes. Okay.
449
00:18:13,159 --> 00:18:14,992
- Cool, it's an apartment
building.
450
00:18:15,061 --> 00:18:16,761
- It's an apartment building.
451
00:18:16,830 --> 00:18:18,229
[chime]
- Ah.
452
00:18:18,298 --> 00:18:20,531
- Oh.
- It's Asma.
453
00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:24,135
- Asma says, "Okay, I'm at
work, but we can chat quickly."
454
00:18:24,204 --> 00:18:25,837
- Oh.
- Oh, she's calling.
455
00:18:25,905 --> 00:18:27,905
Hello.
456
00:18:27,974 --> 00:18:29,307
- How are you doing?
457
00:18:30,477 --> 00:18:31,709
- Good.
458
00:18:31,778 --> 00:18:34,378
Basically, you're familiar
with the show, "Catfish"?
459
00:18:35,748 --> 00:18:39,350
- Cool. So we are working
on episode right now
460
00:18:39,419 --> 00:18:42,820
that I think involves someone
you know named Jaymes.
461
00:18:42,889 --> 00:18:44,388
Do you know
who am talking about?
462
00:18:47,994 --> 00:18:49,327
- Oh, okay, cool.
463
00:18:49,395 --> 00:18:51,462
Does he ever talk about
like a friend in Ohio?
464
00:18:56,636 --> 00:18:59,403
- Nate?
465
00:18:59,472 --> 00:19:00,638
- Who's Nate?
466
00:19:04,010 --> 00:19:08,246
- Oh, got it.
So Jay has a boyfriend.
467
00:19:10,116 --> 00:19:11,649
- This is exactly
why we're calling
468
00:19:11,718 --> 00:19:14,585
'cause we wanna make sure
that we have the right person.
469
00:19:18,591 --> 00:19:21,259
- No, I understand.
So that's very helpful.
470
00:19:21,327 --> 00:19:25,129
I appreciate it. Thank you.
And nice to meet you.
471
00:19:26,633 --> 00:19:27,999
- Okay. Bye.
472
00:19:28,067 --> 00:19:30,635
Wow, that was weird.
Weird for two reasons.
473
00:19:30,703 --> 00:19:34,605
One, because she seemed
to be acting a little cagey.
474
00:19:34,674 --> 00:19:36,874
And two, he had a boyfriend.
475
00:19:36,943 --> 00:19:39,210
- Has.
- Well, has maybe.
476
00:19:39,279 --> 00:19:40,611
- Nate.
- Nate.
477
00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,146
- We have to find him.
478
00:19:42,215 --> 00:19:45,149
- Let's see if Nate's
on any of his pages.
479
00:19:45,218 --> 00:19:46,817
- No, his friends are blocked.
480
00:19:46,886 --> 00:19:48,452
- Ooh.
481
00:19:48,521 --> 00:19:50,655
- Could that be what he's been
hiding this entire time?
482
00:19:50,723 --> 00:19:52,223
He has a whole man?
483
00:19:52,292 --> 00:19:55,026
- But I'm not sure I'm 100%
ready to believe
484
00:19:55,094 --> 00:19:56,727
what Asma was telling us
485
00:19:56,796 --> 00:19:58,629
'cause he has his other profile
that we found.
486
00:19:58,698 --> 00:20:01,933
And the only reason we found it
was because Asma commented,
487
00:20:02,001 --> 00:20:03,634
we went to her page,
488
00:20:03,703 --> 00:20:07,104
and in her friend saw
that she got both profiles.
489
00:20:07,173 --> 00:20:09,574
- Why is she like
the common person
490
00:20:09,642 --> 00:20:14,245
between the two profiles?
Could Asma be Jay?
491
00:20:14,314 --> 00:20:16,247
- Yeah, I mean, could it be
that Asma
492
00:20:16,316 --> 00:20:18,683
is somehow
behind the Jaymes profile,
493
00:20:18,751 --> 00:20:20,451
and might be talking
to multiple people
494
00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,320
and wasn't sure
who we were calling about?
495
00:20:22,388 --> 00:20:24,055
And that's why she
very hesitantly said,
496
00:20:24,123 --> 00:20:26,791
"Is this about Nate?"
497
00:20:26,859 --> 00:20:31,095
- Why would you catfish
as this very normal guy?
498
00:20:31,164 --> 00:20:32,930
I don't know.
I don't know what's happening.
499
00:20:32,999 --> 00:20:36,200
- The frustrating thing is that
there's so many possibilities,
500
00:20:36,269 --> 00:20:38,336
and I cannot get a sense
501
00:20:38,404 --> 00:20:40,738
of where this story
is going to take us.
502
00:20:40,807 --> 00:20:44,208
- Whatever the truth is,
it's bad news for Alexis.
503
00:20:45,878 --> 00:20:48,713
- Okay.
We have some information.
504
00:20:48,781 --> 00:20:52,583
There's obviously more to
Jaymes' life than Alexis knows.
505
00:20:52,652 --> 00:20:53,784
So we spoke to Michelle.
506
00:20:53,853 --> 00:20:55,553
- He's been sending
Michelle gifts,
507
00:20:55,622 --> 00:20:57,855
and Michelle's relationship
with Jaymes
508
00:20:57,924 --> 00:21:00,424
is strictly platonic
and there's no romance there.
509
00:21:00,493 --> 00:21:02,660
- Raises some eyebrows,
especially since
510
00:21:02,729 --> 00:21:04,595
their relationship
is totally platonic.
511
00:21:04,664 --> 00:21:06,063
Makes me think that oh,
512
00:21:06,132 --> 00:21:09,634
well, maybe he has a similar
intention with Alexis.
513
00:21:09,702 --> 00:21:11,636
- Yeah.
- And then another friend,
514
00:21:11,704 --> 00:21:14,372
this girl Asma confirms
Jaymes is real says,
515
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,308
"Oh, is this about Nate,
his boyfriend?"
516
00:21:17,377 --> 00:21:19,210
And do we trust Asma?
517
00:21:19,279 --> 00:21:21,779
- Either way, I don't know
how to tell her that.
518
00:21:21,848 --> 00:21:23,414
She's gonna be heartbroken.
519
00:21:23,483 --> 00:21:27,852
- We have some information
for Alexis, so let me text her.
520
00:21:29,789 --> 00:21:31,355
- I'm just really concerned.
521
00:21:31,424 --> 00:21:32,790
She's just gonna
explain it away
522
00:21:32,859 --> 00:21:36,294
like she explains everything
else that he has going on.
523
00:21:36,362 --> 00:21:38,362
And that's what bothers me.
- Right.
524
00:21:38,431 --> 00:21:39,664
[chime]
- Hey.
525
00:21:39,732 --> 00:21:40,998
- Hi.
- All right.
526
00:21:41,067 --> 00:21:42,566
We have some stuff
we wanna talk to you about,
527
00:21:42,635 --> 00:21:46,203
make sure we're all on the same
page and kind of fill you in.
528
00:21:46,272 --> 00:21:49,040
Okay. So here is his Instagram.
529
00:21:49,108 --> 00:21:52,710
We saw one comment
from this person, Michelle.
530
00:21:52,779 --> 00:21:54,245
Do you know her?
- Nope.
531
00:21:54,314 --> 00:21:55,646
- We messaged Michelle.
532
00:21:55,715 --> 00:21:57,515
- We talked to her
on the phone.
533
00:21:57,583 --> 00:21:59,050
- And we talked to her
on the phone.
534
00:21:59,118 --> 00:22:01,819
- And she said that she's been
friends with him for a while.
535
00:22:01,888 --> 00:22:04,355
And throughout the course
of her and Jaymes's friendship
536
00:22:04,424 --> 00:22:06,857
that he sent her gifts.
537
00:22:06,926 --> 00:22:10,094
- Ah.
- I just find it a little
538
00:22:10,163 --> 00:22:13,964
concerning the whole time
he's been sending you gifts,
539
00:22:14,033 --> 00:22:16,033
he's been sending
Michelle gifts.
540
00:22:16,102 --> 00:22:18,102
And Michelle is saying
that their relationship
541
00:22:18,171 --> 00:22:19,437
is strictly platonic
542
00:22:19,505 --> 00:22:21,172
and he just sends her gifts
as a friend.
543
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:25,076
Is he thinking that
the same kind of relationship
544
00:22:25,144 --> 00:22:27,244
is what you and him have?
545
00:22:27,313 --> 00:22:29,280
- Right. This might be
an indication that for him,
546
00:22:29,349 --> 00:22:31,816
it hasn't been more
than a friendship.
547
00:22:31,884 --> 00:22:36,187
- Right.
That's what I'm worried about.
548
00:22:36,255 --> 00:22:38,222
- Right.
- Yeah, but again,
549
00:22:38,291 --> 00:22:40,624
you've certainly made
your feelings clear
550
00:22:40,693 --> 00:22:44,228
if no other time
than this past New Year's.
551
00:22:44,297 --> 00:22:48,399
So he can't claim he doesn't
know your feelings for him.
552
00:22:48,468 --> 00:22:50,067
- Right.
553
00:22:50,136 --> 00:22:53,738
- So the next thing we did
was we went to his Facebook.
554
00:22:53,806 --> 00:22:56,841
For the most part, didn't ring
any crazy alarm bells,
555
00:22:56,909 --> 00:23:02,113
but in addition to this page,
we found this other profile.
556
00:23:02,181 --> 00:23:06,350
- Yeah, that was the account
he stopped using
557
00:23:06,419 --> 00:23:07,885
because he wanted to try
558
00:23:07,954 --> 00:23:11,555
and be more open with being
Trans and being who he is.
559
00:23:11,624 --> 00:23:13,190
So he just made a new Facebook.
560
00:23:13,259 --> 00:23:14,692
- But okay.
561
00:23:14,761 --> 00:23:16,193
But you didn't know about it
and it doesn't seem like
562
00:23:16,262 --> 00:23:18,095
there's any weird
suspicious stuff going on?
563
00:23:18,164 --> 00:23:20,498
- No, it's--yeah.
564
00:23:20,566 --> 00:23:22,767
- Well, here's
something interesting.
565
00:23:22,835 --> 00:23:24,201
Did you know that
there's a girl
566
00:23:24,270 --> 00:23:26,170
who's friends with Jaymes
on both of his accounts?
567
00:23:26,239 --> 00:23:27,705
- No.
568
00:23:27,774 --> 00:23:29,740
- Well, we wanted to just look
a little bit more closely
569
00:23:29,809 --> 00:23:32,543
at who's commenting
on Jaymes' page.
570
00:23:32,612 --> 00:23:34,912
One of very few comments
that we had found
571
00:23:34,981 --> 00:23:38,749
was this one from Asma.
Do you know this person?
572
00:23:38,818 --> 00:23:42,086
- Uh, he's mentioned them.
That's one of his friends.
573
00:23:42,155 --> 00:23:43,687
- Well, given that,
you know her,
574
00:23:43,756 --> 00:23:45,156
maybe we should trust
what she said.
575
00:23:45,224 --> 00:23:46,424
- Oh.
576
00:23:46,492 --> 00:23:48,692
- 'Cause we ended up getting
on a phone call with her.
577
00:23:48,761 --> 00:23:54,265
And she said,
"Is this about Nate?"
578
00:23:54,333 --> 00:23:56,500
- I have no idea who that is.
579
00:23:56,569 --> 00:23:57,902
- We don't know obviously,
either.
580
00:23:57,970 --> 00:23:59,703
And so I said, who's Nate?
581
00:23:59,772 --> 00:24:04,575
And she said,
"Nate's his boyfriend."
582
00:24:04,644 --> 00:24:06,644
- Oh.
583
00:24:06,712 --> 00:24:08,012
- According to Asma,
584
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:12,983
Jay has been a relationship
with this guy, Nate.
585
00:24:13,052 --> 00:24:17,087
- How are you interpreting
everything?
586
00:24:17,156 --> 00:24:20,057
- I'm, I'm definitely more hurt
than like pissed off.
587
00:24:24,197 --> 00:24:28,065
I'm kind of at a loss.
If he's got a boyfriend,
588
00:24:28,134 --> 00:24:30,401
I'm sure he didn't wanna like
hurt my feelings or whatever.
589
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:32,470
I mean, I hope.
590
00:24:32,538 --> 00:24:36,140
- If I were you, I would be
pissed off that my boyfriend
591
00:24:36,209 --> 00:24:39,243
has a boyfriend,
and hasn't told me about it.
592
00:24:39,312 --> 00:24:44,215
- Right.
- I mean, I think that you tend
593
00:24:44,283 --> 00:24:46,317
to make explanations
for his behavior
594
00:24:46,385 --> 00:24:49,854
and things that he doesn't do
or doesn't tell you.
595
00:24:49,922 --> 00:24:53,123
- Right.
- I just wanna encourage you.
596
00:24:53,192 --> 00:24:55,960
Let's not make excuses for him.
And let's not come up
597
00:24:56,028 --> 00:24:58,195
with reasons
as to why he did what he did.
598
00:24:58,264 --> 00:25:01,432
We need him to show up here
and explain that to you.
599
00:25:01,501 --> 00:25:03,167
- Right.
- 'Cause you deserve that.
600
00:25:06,105 --> 00:25:10,608
- I think my main thing
is that I don't wanna...
601
00:25:10,676 --> 00:25:12,476
make him look bad.
602
00:25:12,545 --> 00:25:14,245
It's like I could go off
603
00:25:14,313 --> 00:25:17,147
and say all these things
about how bad he is
604
00:25:17,216 --> 00:25:22,119
and then be wrong and hurt his
feelings, and ruin everything.
605
00:25:24,090 --> 00:25:27,925
So it's like I don't know
what to do.
606
00:25:30,863 --> 00:25:32,663
- What about your feelings?
607
00:25:32,732 --> 00:25:36,133
- I mean, they're hurt.
I'm, I'm hurt.
608
00:25:37,904 --> 00:25:41,772
- Yeah, I think you have been
so consumed
609
00:25:41,841 --> 00:25:43,941
and tapped into his feelings
610
00:25:44,010 --> 00:25:47,244
that you've forgotten
about yourself.
611
00:25:47,313 --> 00:25:50,247
It is time for you
to stand up for yourself
612
00:25:50,316 --> 00:25:53,050
and let people know
how they're going to treat you.
613
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,553
- Right.
- Right, so at this point,
614
00:25:55,621 --> 00:25:58,188
the only other thing I think
might be beneficial for us
615
00:25:58,257 --> 00:26:01,425
is if I reached out to Jaymes
to start that process
616
00:26:01,494 --> 00:26:03,460
and see
if we can get him to meet.
617
00:26:05,164 --> 00:26:07,565
We have been speaking
with your friend, Alexis,
618
00:26:07,633 --> 00:26:08,999
and we'd love to help you guys
619
00:26:09,068 --> 00:26:10,467
finally meet
for the first time.
620
00:26:10,536 --> 00:26:12,136
Hoping to find some time
tomorrow that works for you.
621
00:26:12,204 --> 00:26:14,471
So let me know what's best.
Thanks, Nev.
622
00:26:14,540 --> 00:26:16,173
Does that sound okay?
623
00:26:16,242 --> 00:26:19,076
- It sounds great.
- Okay. Let's see what he says.
624
00:26:19,145 --> 00:26:20,945
Hopefully he'll see it
and respond.
625
00:26:21,013 --> 00:26:22,713
So yeah, then we'll message
you in the morning.
626
00:26:22,782 --> 00:26:24,114
Whether we hear
something or not.
627
00:26:24,183 --> 00:26:26,016
We'll check in with you
and go from there.
628
00:26:26,085 --> 00:26:28,385
- Let's just take it
one step at a time,
629
00:26:28,454 --> 00:26:31,188
but we're gonna get there.
- Yeah.
630
00:26:31,257 --> 00:26:32,823
- All right.
We'll see you in the morning.
631
00:26:32,892 --> 00:26:34,959
- Good night.
- Good night.
632
00:26:35,027 --> 00:26:38,796
- Makes me sad.
She deserves better than this.
633
00:26:38,864 --> 00:26:40,064
- It's great to put
other people
634
00:26:40,132 --> 00:26:42,232
and their feelings
ahead of yours.
635
00:26:42,301 --> 00:26:43,467
- Sometimes.
636
00:26:43,536 --> 00:26:47,972
- But Alexis doesn't seem
to ever put herself first,
637
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,707
and it's crushing her.
638
00:26:49,775 --> 00:26:53,043
I just really hope she can see
that and speak up for herself.
639
00:26:53,112 --> 00:26:55,179
So I think we can get her
to do that tomorrow.
640
00:26:55,247 --> 00:26:57,781
Whatever happens,
it'll be a win.
641
00:26:59,585 --> 00:27:02,386
- Hey morning, check this out.
I got a little update for you.
642
00:27:02,455 --> 00:27:04,021
- Oh God.
643
00:27:04,090 --> 00:27:06,123
- This morning I had
a message from Jaymes.
644
00:27:06,192 --> 00:27:08,759
Sorry, I don't really think
645
00:27:08,828 --> 00:27:12,830
I'm actually ready to be
completely honest with her yet.
646
00:27:12,898 --> 00:27:14,832
- Well, we knew that.
647
00:27:14,900 --> 00:27:17,001
- Right, then I wrote back.
648
00:27:17,069 --> 00:27:18,502
Hey, Jaymes, I understand
how you're feeling,
649
00:27:18,571 --> 00:27:20,204
and I know this isn't easy
but I promise being honest
650
00:27:20,272 --> 00:27:21,872
with her will be the best thing
for both of you.
651
00:27:21,941 --> 00:27:25,109
I'm sure keeping the truth from
Alexis hasn't been easy either.
652
00:27:25,177 --> 00:27:26,510
- And no response?
653
00:27:26,579 --> 00:27:28,545
- And he saw that,
but he has not responded.
654
00:27:28,614 --> 00:27:31,081
- Okay. So what is he not being
completely honest about?
655
00:27:31,150 --> 00:27:32,916
What do we think?
656
00:27:32,985 --> 00:27:34,752
- Oh, I feel like
the smallest version
657
00:27:34,820 --> 00:27:36,053
of what's really happening here
658
00:27:36,122 --> 00:27:39,123
is that he is
in another relationship.
659
00:27:39,191 --> 00:27:41,191
He cares about Alexis deeply.
660
00:27:41,260 --> 00:27:43,260
- Right.
- But he isn't at a place
661
00:27:43,329 --> 00:27:46,030
where he's looking
to be romantic with her.
662
00:27:46,098 --> 00:27:47,598
- I don't know how I'd feel
663
00:27:47,667 --> 00:27:49,733
if I found out that
my boyfriend had a boyfriend.
664
00:27:49,802 --> 00:27:51,201
- But not being completely
honest with her
665
00:27:51,270 --> 00:27:55,272
could also mean anything.
He might be Asma.
666
00:27:55,341 --> 00:27:56,473
- Right.
667
00:27:56,542 --> 00:27:59,376
- I mean, it really
leaves the door open.
668
00:27:59,445 --> 00:28:01,345
- Well, she has been
so understanding of Jaymes
669
00:28:01,414 --> 00:28:03,347
literally
their entire relationship.
670
00:28:03,416 --> 00:28:04,748
- Yeah.
671
00:28:04,817 --> 00:28:08,552
- So he has had zero reason
to not tell her the full truth
672
00:28:08,621 --> 00:28:11,021
and the full scope
of what he's been dealing with.
673
00:28:11,090 --> 00:28:12,423
- I know.
674
00:28:12,491 --> 00:28:15,159
- But let's hit up Alexis
and see how she's doing.
675
00:28:15,227 --> 00:28:18,028
'Cause she was sad as [bleep]
last night.
676
00:28:19,198 --> 00:28:22,299
- Come on back in the Zoom.
677
00:28:25,104 --> 00:28:26,570
- Heeey.
- Hey.
678
00:28:26,639 --> 00:28:29,139
- Wow, I love the look.
- You look so cute.
679
00:28:29,208 --> 00:28:32,076
- Cute shirt.
- Thank you.
680
00:28:32,144 --> 00:28:33,577
- How are you feelin'?
681
00:28:33,646 --> 00:28:35,045
- A lot better than
I was last night.
682
00:28:35,114 --> 00:28:36,680
- Yeah.
- We have a little update.
683
00:28:36,749 --> 00:28:38,582
Yesterday we sent
that message to Jaymes.
684
00:28:38,651 --> 00:28:41,318
- Yeah.
- This morning he responded.
685
00:28:41,387 --> 00:28:45,155
He said, "I don't really think
I'm actually ready
686
00:28:45,224 --> 00:28:47,758
to be completely honest
with her yet."
687
00:28:47,827 --> 00:28:50,360
- That's scary. 'Cause I have
no idea what that means.
688
00:28:50,429 --> 00:28:51,995
- Neither do we.
- Well, we're not sure either.
689
00:28:52,064 --> 00:28:53,330
So I responded.
And I just said,
690
00:28:53,399 --> 00:28:54,898
"Hey, I understand
how you're feeling.
691
00:28:54,967 --> 00:28:57,201
And I know this isn't easy,
but I promise being honest
692
00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:59,303
with her is the best thing
for both of you."
693
00:28:59,371 --> 00:29:01,505
He saw that,
but he has not responded.
694
00:29:01,574 --> 00:29:03,006
- Well, I don't know
what to say to that.
695
00:29:03,075 --> 00:29:04,274
- Right, we were trying
696
00:29:04,343 --> 00:29:05,876
to figure out
what that could mean.
697
00:29:05,945 --> 00:29:08,245
- If Jaymes is exactly
who he says he is,
698
00:29:08,314 --> 00:29:11,014
and if he currently
has a boyfriend,
699
00:29:11,083 --> 00:29:12,282
then that could be something
700
00:29:12,351 --> 00:29:15,853
that he's not completely
ready to share.
701
00:29:15,921 --> 00:29:20,224
But if his feelings
are not in line with yours,
702
00:29:20,292 --> 00:29:23,293
I think that he has
a moral obligation
703
00:29:23,362 --> 00:29:25,095
to tell you
that that has changed.
704
00:29:25,164 --> 00:29:26,663
- Right, like I-I-I, yeah,
705
00:29:26,732 --> 00:29:29,366
like I think I deserve to know.
- All right, so look,
706
00:29:29,435 --> 00:29:31,435
I'm gonna send another
message to Jaymes and just say:
707
00:29:43,849 --> 00:29:47,484
...then I think
you would regret...
708
00:29:51,857 --> 00:29:53,123
- I think Jaymes
709
00:29:53,192 --> 00:29:55,058
needs to understand
exactly how you feel.
710
00:29:55,127 --> 00:29:57,060
Yesterday was really tough.
711
00:29:57,129 --> 00:29:58,595
- Right.
- Oh, Jaymes is typing.
712
00:29:58,664 --> 00:30:02,266
Oh, my God. Give me a second.
He's typing, he's typing.
713
00:30:02,334 --> 00:30:04,101
Oh, he said, "You're right..."
714
00:30:09,275 --> 00:30:11,809
Wow, not the response
I expected.
715
00:30:15,948 --> 00:30:18,315
- I don't wanna be
the bearer of bad news.
716
00:30:18,384 --> 00:30:20,717
But he said, "I don't wanna
mess up our friendship."
717
00:30:20,786 --> 00:30:23,353
- I know. This might be
an indication that for him,
718
00:30:23,422 --> 00:30:24,855
it hasn't been more
than a friendship.
719
00:30:24,924 --> 00:30:26,590
- Right.
720
00:30:26,659 --> 00:30:29,359
- Yesterday, we talked about
being honest with our feelings
721
00:30:29,428 --> 00:30:31,595
and letting people know
how we feel.
722
00:30:31,664 --> 00:30:34,431
Are you still gonna tell Jaymes
exactly how you've been feeling
723
00:30:34,500 --> 00:30:36,266
that you're in love with him
and everything else
724
00:30:36,335 --> 00:30:39,036
if he says that he just
wants a friendship?
725
00:30:39,104 --> 00:30:41,772
- I think he deserves to know,
726
00:30:41,841 --> 00:30:43,841
even if he does wanna
stay friends.
727
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:45,442
- All right, well,
728
00:30:45,511 --> 00:30:48,545
at the moment we're
just standing by, you know?
729
00:30:48,614 --> 00:30:50,380
- Right.
- He said he would do it.
730
00:30:50,449 --> 00:30:53,250
- Let's assume
he follows through.
731
00:30:53,319 --> 00:30:56,520
[chime]
- Oh, Jaymes.
732
00:30:58,090 --> 00:30:59,323
- We're just standing by.
733
00:30:59,391 --> 00:31:01,391
Sent him the link.
I told him I was waiting.
734
00:31:01,460 --> 00:31:03,727
♪ ♪
735
00:31:03,796 --> 00:31:05,863
- Ooh, oh.
736
00:31:05,931 --> 00:31:07,431
[doorbell sound]
737
00:31:07,499 --> 00:31:08,532
- [laughs]
738
00:31:10,769 --> 00:31:11,835
- Hey.
- Hi.
739
00:31:11,904 --> 00:31:14,137
- Hi.
740
00:31:14,206 --> 00:31:16,373
- What's up Jay or Jaymes?
What do you prefer?
741
00:31:16,442 --> 00:31:17,641
- Jay.
742
00:31:17,710 --> 00:31:19,743
- Jay, okay, what's up?
- My heart is racing.
743
00:31:19,812 --> 00:31:22,846
I can see Alexis's
heart racing.
744
00:31:22,915 --> 00:31:24,147
- I don't even know
what to say.
745
00:31:24,216 --> 00:31:25,816
- I mean, I have questions.
746
00:31:25,885 --> 00:31:28,952
Kamie has questions, but like,
it's you, you look like you.
747
00:31:29,021 --> 00:31:30,554
Why do you think
748
00:31:30,623 --> 00:31:33,323
this is something you guys
hadn't done up until right now?
749
00:31:33,392 --> 00:31:36,059
- Honestly, a lot of
it's just like,
750
00:31:36,128 --> 00:31:38,795
body image issues
with dysphoria,
751
00:31:38,864 --> 00:31:40,664
and just everything that comes
752
00:31:40,733 --> 00:31:43,734
with like
being a transgender man.
753
00:31:43,802 --> 00:31:49,706
And I only came out like a year
and a half ago to two years.
754
00:31:49,775 --> 00:31:54,745
So it was just very scary.
755
00:31:54,813 --> 00:31:58,482
Alexis was the first person
like I came out to.
756
00:31:58,550 --> 00:31:59,950
She was very accepting
right away,
757
00:32:00,019 --> 00:32:03,353
but my family
was not as supportive.
758
00:32:03,422 --> 00:32:08,025
So I guess I was just scared
that, like, Alexis
759
00:32:08,093 --> 00:32:11,695
just wouldn't
like me anymore, I guess.
760
00:32:11,764 --> 00:32:14,031
- Right, but, but you post
pictures of yourself and Alexis
761
00:32:14,099 --> 00:32:16,867
sees those
and you send her photos
762
00:32:16,936 --> 00:32:19,770
and knowing already
that she'd fully supports you
763
00:32:19,838 --> 00:32:21,705
as a Trans man.
- Yeah.
764
00:32:21,774 --> 00:32:23,006
- It was confusing to us.
765
00:32:23,075 --> 00:32:24,841
- It's just all very daunting
to me, you know,
766
00:32:24,910 --> 00:32:25,876
'cause like, when I first
came out,
767
00:32:25,945 --> 00:32:28,245
like, I barely accepted myself.
768
00:32:28,314 --> 00:32:32,816
What was I gonna do
if Alexis didn't accept me?
769
00:32:32,885 --> 00:32:35,185
So it was just hard.
770
00:32:35,254 --> 00:32:37,054
- Are you comfortable
with sharing
771
00:32:37,122 --> 00:32:41,558
where you are right now
in your transition?
772
00:32:41,627 --> 00:32:43,527
- Yeah, so I'm,
I'm pretty transitioned.
773
00:32:43,595 --> 00:32:47,297
I have all of my consultations
booked--the next few months
774
00:32:47,366 --> 00:32:49,566
is when things really start
to pick up.
775
00:32:49,635 --> 00:32:50,867
- Congratulations.
776
00:32:50,936 --> 00:32:52,336
- Thank you. Thank you.
777
00:32:52,404 --> 00:32:53,870
- All right,
so hold on a second.
778
00:32:53,939 --> 00:32:57,274
I just wanna kinda go
over the basics. So you're 25.
779
00:32:57,343 --> 00:32:58,709
- Yeah.
- And you live in Canada?
780
00:32:59,979 --> 00:33:01,812
- Is there anything about you
or your background
781
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,314
that we either don't know,
or that was wrong or, or--
782
00:33:04,383 --> 00:33:07,084
- Um, I guess there's just
like,
783
00:33:07,152 --> 00:33:11,254
one thing that Alexis
doesn't know.
784
00:33:11,323 --> 00:33:15,292
And it's not something
that I'm, like, proud of.
785
00:33:15,361 --> 00:33:17,861
So November of like, 2020,
786
00:33:17,930 --> 00:33:21,365
I had a relationship
with a guy.
787
00:33:21,433 --> 00:33:25,102
His name was Nate. It lasted
for like three, four months.
788
00:33:25,170 --> 00:33:26,403
- So not that long ago.
789
00:33:26,472 --> 00:33:28,839
- Yeah.
- But it's over now.
790
00:33:28,907 --> 00:33:30,140
- Yeah.
791
00:33:30,209 --> 00:33:31,375
- Were you guys
just talking online?
792
00:33:31,443 --> 00:33:33,043
Or were you dating
in in person?
793
00:33:33,112 --> 00:33:37,114
- We were dating in person.
- Here's my question.
794
00:33:37,182 --> 00:33:40,984
Alexis felt like you guys
were more than friends.
795
00:33:41,053 --> 00:33:42,352
- Yeah.
796
00:33:42,421 --> 00:33:44,521
- And I think she made
that clear to you.
797
00:33:44,590 --> 00:33:46,390
Why were you dating
other people,
798
00:33:46,458 --> 00:33:49,059
unless you were
not interested in,
799
00:33:49,128 --> 00:33:51,128
in anything more
than a friendship?
800
00:33:51,196 --> 00:33:52,763
- Um...
801
00:33:52,831 --> 00:33:53,930
♪ ♪
802
00:33:53,999 --> 00:33:56,199
It's just that like...
[sniffles]
803
00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:02,372
I'm really scared
to lose Alexis.
804
00:34:02,441 --> 00:34:06,376
Lex's always been
my best friend.
805
00:34:06,445 --> 00:34:07,911
- You call her
your best friend.
806
00:34:07,980 --> 00:34:09,780
And that's great.
807
00:34:09,848 --> 00:34:11,381
And I'm happy that you feel
that close to her.
808
00:34:11,450 --> 00:34:13,917
But if I were Alexis,
and I heard you calling me
809
00:34:13,986 --> 00:34:15,118
your best friend,
despite the fact
810
00:34:15,187 --> 00:34:17,654
that you definitely know
I'm in love with you.
811
00:34:17,723 --> 00:34:22,159
You guys talked about living
together, and you're single
812
00:34:22,227 --> 00:34:24,094
and it's not like
you're not dating anyone.
813
00:34:24,163 --> 00:34:25,629
You just were dating someone.
814
00:34:25,697 --> 00:34:28,598
I would be frustrated
and confused and hurt
815
00:34:28,667 --> 00:34:29,800
that you don't seem
816
00:34:29,868 --> 00:34:33,937
to wanna change the sort
of friend zone status.
817
00:34:34,006 --> 00:34:36,273
- It's just like,
it's a big deal.
818
00:34:36,341 --> 00:34:37,741
It's a big change.
819
00:34:37,810 --> 00:34:41,111
But if Alexis wants to, like,
have like, a,
820
00:34:41,180 --> 00:34:44,881
an exclusive relationship,
like, I'd 100% jump into that.
821
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:48,618
- But you don't wanna be
the one to initiate that?
822
00:34:48,687 --> 00:34:50,587
It doesn't--just
I get this weird sort of like,
823
00:34:50,656 --> 00:34:52,589
yeah, I'm open to it.
But it's not like,
824
00:34:52,658 --> 00:34:56,193
I'm in love with you, Alexis,
I wanna be with you.
825
00:34:56,261 --> 00:34:57,527
I'll do whatever I can.
826
00:34:57,596 --> 00:34:59,429
- It's not like I have
any hesitancy towards it.
827
00:34:59,498 --> 00:35:03,733
The word best friend
encapsulates everything.
828
00:35:17,816 --> 00:35:20,917
- I don't know, it just feels
like...
829
00:35:23,755 --> 00:35:26,223
Okay, Alexis,
I'd love to sort of sidebar
830
00:35:26,291 --> 00:35:27,757
with you for a minute,
831
00:35:27,826 --> 00:35:30,093
just sort of check in
and debrief a bit.
832
00:35:30,162 --> 00:35:32,129
- Okay.
- Okay.
833
00:35:32,197 --> 00:35:34,164
[chime]
834
00:35:34,233 --> 00:35:35,398
- What are you thinking?
835
00:35:35,467 --> 00:35:38,702
How are you feeling
about all that?
836
00:35:38,770 --> 00:35:40,804
- I feel good. I feel great.
- Well, hold on a second here,
837
00:35:40,873 --> 00:35:45,175
Jaymes had a boyfriend while
you were fully in love with him
838
00:35:45,244 --> 00:35:48,912
he got into a relationship,
didn't tell you.
839
00:35:48,981 --> 00:35:50,847
That can't feel good.
840
00:35:50,916 --> 00:35:52,649
- It, I mean,
it doesn't feel great,
841
00:35:52,718 --> 00:35:56,786
but I think he knew that
I would have felt really bad.
842
00:35:56,855 --> 00:35:58,588
- I don't know.
I don't wanna hear you
843
00:35:58,657 --> 00:36:02,592
justifying Jaymes
doing things that isn't cool.
844
00:36:02,661 --> 00:36:03,560
- Right.
- That's the sort of behavior
845
00:36:03,629 --> 00:36:05,562
that we are concerned about you
846
00:36:05,631 --> 00:36:07,731
having where you find ways
of making the things
847
00:36:07,799 --> 00:36:11,101
that are happening to you
that you don't like justified.
848
00:36:11,170 --> 00:36:13,136
- Right.
- What we need to figure out
849
00:36:13,205 --> 00:36:15,605
right now is like,
what do you want?
850
00:36:15,674 --> 00:36:17,140
- I want a relationship
with her.
851
00:36:17,209 --> 00:36:22,245
I wanna be monogamous,
but I don't want him to do it
852
00:36:22,314 --> 00:36:23,547
just because
he knows I want that.
853
00:36:23,615 --> 00:36:24,915
- Right.
- Right, he'll either make you
854
00:36:24,983 --> 00:36:27,050
a priority or he won't.
And, and look,
855
00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:28,652
if he's not ready
and he can't do that right now,
856
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:31,688
then he has to deal
with the reality of knowing
857
00:36:31,757 --> 00:36:33,557
that he may never
get another chance.
858
00:36:33,625 --> 00:36:35,892
But like, you need to be
a priority for yourself
859
00:36:35,961 --> 00:36:37,694
and find someone
who feels the same way.
860
00:36:37,763 --> 00:36:40,330
You've been waiting
for five years.
861
00:36:40,399 --> 00:36:43,800
He needs to make his move now.
862
00:36:45,704 --> 00:36:47,103
- You need to stand up
for yourself and say,
863
00:36:47,172 --> 00:36:48,939
"Hey, look,
Jay, this is what I want."
864
00:36:49,007 --> 00:36:51,474
Alexis, I have a feeling not
a lot of people have told you
865
00:36:51,543 --> 00:36:56,880
that you're awesome and hot
and sexy and funny and amazing.
866
00:36:56,949 --> 00:36:59,616
- And cool as [bleep].
- Super cool.
867
00:36:59,685 --> 00:37:02,919
And you should be the one
to say, "Hey, right now
868
00:37:02,988 --> 00:37:05,922
you need to be all in.
If you don't want this,
869
00:37:05,991 --> 00:37:07,924
I'ma go find someone
else who does."
870
00:37:07,993 --> 00:37:10,927
Because there's a whole lot
of people who will.
871
00:37:10,996 --> 00:37:13,463
- You literally gotta disappear
just like that.
872
00:37:13,532 --> 00:37:15,198
- I know.
Look, you're, you're only 23.
873
00:37:15,267 --> 00:37:17,901
And you haven't had a ton
of experience but like your--
874
00:37:17,970 --> 00:37:19,169
- I'm the whole package.
- Desirable.
875
00:37:19,238 --> 00:37:21,571
Exactly. Say it again!
876
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,541
- I'm the whole package.
- Very good!
877
00:37:24,610 --> 00:37:26,376
There we go.
878
00:37:26,445 --> 00:37:28,778
Now start [bleep]
walking with that energy
879
00:37:28,847 --> 00:37:30,547
'cause that is who you are.
880
00:37:30,616 --> 00:37:32,282
You're cool as [bleep]
and you deserve to be
881
00:37:32,351 --> 00:37:34,618
with somebody who's excited
about being with you.
882
00:37:34,686 --> 00:37:35,919
That could be Jaymes,
883
00:37:35,988 --> 00:37:37,921
but it could also
be somebody else.
884
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:40,056
- Right. I agree.
885
00:37:40,125 --> 00:37:42,592
- No, but.
- No, but, I just agree.
886
00:37:42,661 --> 00:37:44,227
- Okay. Good.
887
00:37:44,296 --> 00:37:46,263
- I do wanna ask him,
you know, how he's feeling.
888
00:37:46,331 --> 00:37:49,032
And, you know, if he loves me.
I do, I do wanna know.
889
00:37:49,101 --> 00:37:53,670
- All right, so let's bring Jay
back in and let you guys talk.
890
00:37:55,474 --> 00:37:57,307
All right, welcome back.
891
00:37:57,376 --> 00:37:59,142
Kamie and I are kinda of,
we're here to listen,
892
00:37:59,211 --> 00:38:02,512
but I think Alexis kinda
wants to start things off.
893
00:38:02,581 --> 00:38:06,983
- I mean, just to get like,
to the--to the quick of it.
894
00:38:07,052 --> 00:38:11,655
How do you feel about me?
Like, no holds barred.
895
00:38:11,723 --> 00:38:14,357
[soft music]
896
00:38:14,426 --> 00:38:16,326
♪ ♪
897
00:38:16,395 --> 00:38:18,028
- I love you.
898
00:38:21,500 --> 00:38:24,934
And that's hard for me to say,
899
00:38:25,003 --> 00:38:28,305
you know, I've never said
that before to anybody.
900
00:38:28,373 --> 00:38:32,142
- But are you in love with me?
901
00:38:32,210 --> 00:38:36,146
- Yeah, I absolutely
wanna be with you.
902
00:38:36,214 --> 00:38:39,883
- Okay.
So do you wanna be exclusive?
903
00:38:39,951 --> 00:38:43,320
- Yeah.
I just--yeah, I love you.
904
00:38:43,388 --> 00:38:45,655
And I'm just sick of like,
905
00:38:45,724 --> 00:38:48,358
not being able to like
see you every single day.
906
00:38:48,427 --> 00:38:51,294
- Can I change my relationship
status on Facebook?
907
00:38:51,363 --> 00:38:54,030
- Yeah. Yeah.
908
00:38:54,099 --> 00:38:55,031
- Okay.
That means it's official.
909
00:38:55,100 --> 00:38:56,800
- Yeah.
- So wait a second.
910
00:38:56,868 --> 00:38:58,668
This is great. We're so happy.
I'm just so curious
911
00:38:58,737 --> 00:39:03,873
why then Jay hadn't you started
this conversation previously?
912
00:39:03,942 --> 00:39:06,109
- It was scary.
It was so scary.
913
00:39:06,178 --> 00:39:08,078
Lexi's like my favorite person.
914
00:39:08,146 --> 00:39:10,280
Like, I don't want
anything to change.
915
00:39:10,349 --> 00:39:11,648
But at the same time,
like I know,
916
00:39:11,717 --> 00:39:13,683
things are
gonna start changing,
917
00:39:13,752 --> 00:39:15,118
and it's for the better,
918
00:39:15,187 --> 00:39:16,953
but it's just a scary prospect
to begin with.
919
00:39:17,022 --> 00:39:18,355
- Did you think that Alexis
920
00:39:18,423 --> 00:39:20,857
would not wanna be
in a relationship with you?
921
00:39:20,926 --> 00:39:23,793
- I think like
with my depression and anxiety
922
00:39:23,862 --> 00:39:26,062
like that's always like
at the back of my mind.
923
00:39:26,131 --> 00:39:29,733
- I think that when
you're going through anxiety
924
00:39:29,801 --> 00:39:32,001
and depression
or any mental illness,
925
00:39:32,070 --> 00:39:34,337
it's the head and the heart
are not connected.
926
00:39:34,406 --> 00:39:36,740
The head is telling you
something completely different
927
00:39:36,808 --> 00:39:37,974
than what the heart
is telling you.
928
00:39:38,043 --> 00:39:42,645
So listen to your heart.
Listen to Alexis.
929
00:39:42,714 --> 00:39:44,614
She'll tell you exactly
how she feels.
930
00:39:44,683 --> 00:39:47,183
- Yeah, I know. I know that.
- Wait a second.
931
00:39:47,252 --> 00:39:49,285
So you guys,
sounds to me like there--
932
00:39:49,354 --> 00:39:51,020
- They're boyfriend
and girlfriend?
933
00:39:51,089 --> 00:39:53,189
- There has been a relationship
status change.
934
00:39:53,258 --> 00:39:55,291
- Oh, yeah.
- Absolutely!
935
00:39:59,398 --> 00:40:01,564
[laughter]
936
00:40:01,633 --> 00:40:03,933
- I'm just so proud.
I'm very happy.
937
00:40:04,002 --> 00:40:07,203
I think that both of you
have been through so much.
938
00:40:07,272 --> 00:40:11,541
I think that having someone
who has your back is--
939
00:40:11,610 --> 00:40:12,809
- Monumental.
- Yeah.
940
00:40:12,878 --> 00:40:14,978
- Yeah.
- Yeah, I'm happy for you guys.
941
00:40:15,046 --> 00:40:16,513
I'm glad this happened.
942
00:40:16,581 --> 00:40:19,716
You guys clearly have
an amazing connection.
943
00:40:19,785 --> 00:40:23,186
And I'm very excited for both
of you to see where this goes.
944
00:40:23,255 --> 00:40:24,721
- Yeah, me too.
945
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:28,625
- Yay!
- All right, guys. Have fun.
946
00:40:28,693 --> 00:40:31,161
- Bye guys.
- Bye.
947
00:40:32,798 --> 00:40:35,231
- Wow. We did it. We did it.
We did it. Yay.
948
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:43,673
- ♪ Baby, we could do that
crazy ♪
949
00:40:43,742 --> 00:40:47,410
♪ Love is too just maybe ♪
950
00:40:47,479 --> 00:40:50,480
♪ Make it to the end ♪
951
00:40:55,153 --> 00:40:56,219
- Deon has been talking
to the Lanise for two years.
952
00:40:57,456 --> 00:41:00,890
- She helped me level up.
You can't put a price
on what she did for me.
953
00:41:00,959 --> 00:41:03,426
- Hey, are you doing
an episode on me right now?
954
00:41:03,495 --> 00:41:06,229
- Oh, are there a whole ring
of girls in Houston
955
00:41:06,298 --> 00:41:09,032
out to get Deon?
You weren't in a relationship
956
00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:10,800
when you first started
talking to her, were you?
957
00:41:10,869 --> 00:41:12,969
- It's a long story.
- Deon!